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Speaker 2: Yeah, Towsin and Flawson. The style is awesome. What's up everybody?

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Speaker 2: On this ninth day of March twenty twenty six, it's

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Speaker 2: time for another episode of Morning Combat. Hello everyone, I

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Speaker 2: by sub Zero himself, the iceman, Chuck Minton Hall.

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Speaker 1: Charles Yes, sir.

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Speaker 2: Congratulations on your BMF title.

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Speaker 1: Charles Win, I like high change. I'm either Liddell or

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Speaker 1: now I'm all over. I'll take that. Good. How are you, Chuck?

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Speaker 1: How are you boy? I'm good man.

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Speaker 3: I'm surprised you were pretty high this morning when they

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Speaker 3: made that in Ghano announcement. So you look like you

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Speaker 2: The thing is, we'll talk about that in just a second.

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Speaker 2: I don't I hate or love the fight, but there's

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Speaker 2: a certain kind of thing that's happening and we'll talk

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Speaker 2: about it in just a minute. That's driving me kind

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Speaker 1: What can you do? Man?

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Speaker 3: Everything is an anti climax at this point, man, I

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Speaker 2: Oh yes, I'll get to that part. I'll get to

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Speaker 2: He's my friend in yours. He is the perfect girlfriend ignorer.

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Speaker 2: It's long island, Luke, what's up?

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Speaker 1: That's not true.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's not good for me the consumer.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, man, you worded it perfectly. Boxing has been doing this.

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Speaker 1: But I have no idea on this one.

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Speaker 1: They're not really interested in that.

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Speaker 2: Sure, sure, yeah, And again, there's lots of reasons for

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Speaker 1: I'll just accept it.

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Speaker 2: to this topic number one, Charles, Speaking of which, Charles

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Speaker 2: He is obviously the rightful winner. But did that fight

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Speaker 3: Well, it's a great question, man, And I think this

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Speaker 3: You might be complaining that it was another boring main

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Speaker 3: And I feel like a lot of people that's the problem, right,

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Speaker 1: And that's not.

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Speaker 3: And I think that that was, like, you know, because

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Speaker 1: I was like, hey, that's a pretty good fight.

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Speaker 2: the Heckler's veto at times that I think is something

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Speaker 2: that we should take seriously in a world where people

435
00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:56,040
Speaker 2: are just getting crushed in their pocketbooks to attend these

436
00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:57,960
Speaker 2: But I think the point you brought up on top

437
00:19:58,000 --> 00:19:59,879
Speaker 2: of that is the is the better one, Chuck, namely, like,

438
00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:02,840
Speaker 2: this was straight up marketed like a gun slinging fight,

439
00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:06,600
Speaker 2: and I had every expectation that it was. Part of

440
00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:08,440
Speaker 2: the reason why I thought Holloway would win was because

441
00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:12,880
Speaker 2: I thought Olavera would just accommodate him in that particular way,

442
00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:15,080
Speaker 2: and that's just not what you got in the end.

443
00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:18,920
Speaker 2: So I think for fans who feel like, listen, these

444
00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:21,040
Speaker 2: fights need to look a certain way if the other

445
00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:22,880
Speaker 2: fights are definitely not going to be that kind of thing.

446
00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:25,120
Speaker 2: And it wasn't like people are I mean, yes, there's

447
00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:26,919
Speaker 2: always been people who boo when the fight goes to

448
00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:29,359
Speaker 2: the ground, but in this case, you had people booing

449
00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:30,800
Speaker 2: when the fight went to the ground. Who are people

450
00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:32,639
Speaker 2: who are don't normally do that? And I think that

451
00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:34,760
Speaker 2: kind of tells you there's a bit of a difference.

452
00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:36,879
Speaker 2: So if people didn't like the fight or they were

453
00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:39,040
Speaker 2: unhappy with the way in which it was fought, I

454
00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:40,639
Speaker 2: honestly don't have an issue with it. It is a

455
00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:44,159
Speaker 2: legitimate and fair perspective. It's just not the one that

456
00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:46,200
Speaker 2: I have, which is I didn't think it was also

457
00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:50,280
Speaker 2: scintillating mac. The problem ended up being that Charles had

458
00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:54,760
Speaker 2: enough advantages over Max to do what he did, but

459
00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:57,760
Speaker 2: not enough of them to close the show, and it

460
00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:01,080
Speaker 2: just kind of hit a wall right there, basically in

461
00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:04,239
Speaker 2: every single round as a consequence, and also Max has

462
00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:08,040
Speaker 2: barely had enough to even get to his feet at times.

463
00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:11,520
Speaker 2: But the thing about this situation to me about BMF

464
00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:15,080
Speaker 2: that I think I don't understand the hostility to it.

465
00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:19,280
Speaker 2: It goes as follows. Honestly, I have more hostility to

466
00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:23,560
Speaker 2: that interim title fight than I do this one. I mean,

467
00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:27,520
Speaker 2: who is better between the two fights, the winner of

468
00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:31,320
Speaker 2: Olavera versus Holloway or the winner of Gayschee versus Patty.

469
00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:35,600
Speaker 2: Sorry sorry. That BMF title, in my opinion, is way

470
00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:38,640
Speaker 2: more prestigious, Like you can attach the fact that the

471
00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:41,480
Speaker 2: three twenty four main event has more significance by virtue

472
00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:44,040
Speaker 2: of what designation you're giving it. Fine, but it's not

473
00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:46,000
Speaker 2: a more prestigious title in terms of like who's actually

474
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Speaker 2: fighting and winning it.

475
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Speaker 1: That's the first thing I'm gonna say.

476
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Speaker 2: Second thing I'm the second thing I'm gonna say about this, Chuck,

477
00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:53,199
Speaker 2: if I may, is that Listen. I don't love the

478
00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:55,159
Speaker 2: BMF belt either. I don't think it's like, oh well,

479
00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:57,399
Speaker 2: there's no way you can never get rid of it.

480
00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:00,439
Speaker 2: If they got rid of it, like it's it's it's whatever.

481
00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:02,240
Speaker 2: I don't think it's the it's the end of the world.

482
00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:04,560
Speaker 2: But the problem I have with all of these arguments,

483
00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:07,240
Speaker 2: is it's not like there's a bunch of these floating around.

484
00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:07,680
Speaker 1: There's one.

485
00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:11,000
Speaker 2: Okay, there's one of these floating around. Guys get paid more,

486
00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:12,359
Speaker 2: at least we think in very they used to in

487
00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:14,480
Speaker 2: the pay per view era, but ostensibly they get paid

488
00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:17,600
Speaker 2: more than they would if it wasn't around, And it's

489
00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:20,400
Speaker 2: not like it's fucking up the rest of the calendar,

490
00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:24,840
Speaker 2: whereas the interim title is exactly doing that because it's

491
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Speaker 2: putting two people in the pipeline for a title shot

492
00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:30,680
Speaker 2: who basically don't deserve it. I mean, now the die

493
00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:33,360
Speaker 2: is cast, like you can't, like you have to deal

494
00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:35,480
Speaker 2: with what the reality is. But like that is actually

495
00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:39,200
Speaker 2: the one that's fucking up the matchmaking much more than

496
00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:42,639
Speaker 2: this one is like to me, the hostility around something

497
00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:46,080
Speaker 2: that isn't necessarily a huge benefit to anything, but it's

498
00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:49,760
Speaker 2: not really a huge distraction either. Like this title is

499
00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:53,479
Speaker 2: clearly more prestigious than the interim title that came with Lightweight. Like,

500
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Speaker 2: I guess what I would say is long as I look,

501
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Speaker 2: I would love for you the way in here if

502
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Speaker 2: you can.

503
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Speaker 1: What I just don't.

504
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Speaker 2: Understand understand is the hole stillity to this, people act

505
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,760
Speaker 2: like it's doing something to the fight game that it

506
00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:06,160
Speaker 2: clearly isn't.

507
00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:07,880
Speaker 1: And that to me is the problem.

508
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Speaker 3: And you know, if if olivera right, he gets I

509
00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:13,439
Speaker 3: think that takedown, the first takedown came at of like

510
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:15,480
Speaker 3: the minute mark of the first round, right Like, Let's

511
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:17,160
Speaker 3: just say he goes in there and two minutes later

512
00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:20,879
Speaker 3: he submits Max all away, nobody would be having this argument.

513
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,560
Speaker 3: You would be You'd be like, well, that's his form

514
00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:25,600
Speaker 3: of bad assy, right, he goes in there and he

515
00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:28,439
Speaker 3: submits you like he takes your arm or you know,

516
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:31,320
Speaker 3: he snatches your neck, you back, that's how he wins.

517
00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:35,040
Speaker 3: We wouldn't be having this argument. But I think that

518
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:38,520
Speaker 3: it's what you said is what bothers everybody, right, Like,

519
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,159
Speaker 3: is that you get into the situation where he's not

520
00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:45,160
Speaker 3: able to finish Max by the second round, and it

521
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:47,480
Speaker 3: kind of goes the exact same way, and and you know,

522
00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:50,520
Speaker 3: the rents repeat and the fans know that they know

523
00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:53,560
Speaker 3: that now you've established this pattern which is clearly not

524
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Speaker 3: going to be the fight that they thought they were

525
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:58,440
Speaker 3: going to get, right, So, I mean it just going

526
00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:02,960
Speaker 3: back to the original, to that whole original idea it's

527
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:07,959
Speaker 3: it was very interesting to see the reaction because in

528
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,040
Speaker 3: any other context, I agree with everything you just said

529
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:11,840
Speaker 3: about the interim title, love that, but in any other

530
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:14,720
Speaker 3: con you know, any other context, we're talking about the

531
00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:16,960
Speaker 3: masterful performance and the way that you might like the

532
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:20,320
Speaker 3: Shemaiah of for you know Islam. So I just so

533
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:23,080
Speaker 3: dominant on a big stage like that. But it's just

534
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:24,679
Speaker 3: he couldn't finish him.

535
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Speaker 1: And I think a survival mode situation for Max was

536
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Speaker 1: not the look.

537
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Speaker 3: And I was going to ask you this man like

538
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:36,679
Speaker 3: you you watch this fight, is there a possibility? And

539
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:38,440
Speaker 3: I was I was thinking about this as I was

540
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:43,760
Speaker 3: writing my column that Max simply expected the promos, you know,

541
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Speaker 3: everything that was talked about, that he thought that he

542
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 3: was going to get a different Charles olivera that he

543
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:51,600
Speaker 3: simply didn't train for this eventuality, you know what I'm saying,

544
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Speaker 3: Like that he might have been caught off guard a

545
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:54,760
Speaker 3: little bit by that game plan.

546
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Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought that up.

547
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,359
Speaker 2: I don't know, because I've not talked to his team,

548
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 2: but it looked that way to me. It looked like

549
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,960
Speaker 2: there were two problems that he had, you know, because

550
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:06,679
Speaker 2: you can't really say he had a problem in the striking.

551
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:08,160
Speaker 1: There just wasn't enough of it to see.

552
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 2: And to the extent that you got any it seemed

553
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 2: largely even I guess, maybe a little ahead of Max,

554
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:14,600
Speaker 2: but there's not enough of it to make any kind

555
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 2: of declaration. There were two problems that I noticed Max

556
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 2: really had. Number One, if you go back and you

557
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:23,479
Speaker 2: notice that Charles is still good about blowing through this

558
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 2: line of defense. But go back and you watch the

559
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:29,199
Speaker 2: Iliot to Poria Charles fight, when when Charles tries to

560
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:34,200
Speaker 2: establish a takedown, there's heavy down blocking from Iliot to Poria.

561
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:36,159
Speaker 2: And by down blocking, I mean, like you know, it

562
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:41,240
Speaker 2: has a more technical, precise use in wrestling, but what

563
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:43,959
Speaker 2: I'm trying to use it as shorthand for trying to

564
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:47,200
Speaker 2: challenge the takedown at the point of the attack, right

565
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 2: heavy sprawl, dropping your hips, firing an underhook, shucking him

566
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 2: off of you right there, like right there, you stand

567
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 2: your ground right there. He didn't do that at all.

568
00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,480
Speaker 2: He allowed Charles to just take him to the fence.

569
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,159
Speaker 2: And I think the reason for that chuck is we

570
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:06,920
Speaker 2: talked about, like ha had Max faced a great wrestler before, Yes,

571
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:10,199
Speaker 2: in Frankie Edgar, but Frankie Edgar's style, he'll do the

572
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 2: same thing. He'll kind of pick up a leg and

573
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:13,920
Speaker 2: then run you to the fence and then he tries

574
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 2: to reconsolidate the position and max in under that kind

575
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 2: of old school wrestler boxer type. Dude, he has dynamite

576
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 2: takedown defense. Like if you've never seen him, try and

577
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,440
Speaker 2: use it, Like go back and watch against that particular

578
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 2: style of defense or I actould say offense, but the

579
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 2: style of defense he's presenting, he's got a very very

580
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 2: good takedown defense. But Charles wasn't playing that game at all.

581
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 2: Charles is playing a much more modern game. And I

582
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:40,480
Speaker 2: also have to say I think heavily Dagistani influenced, where

583
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:42,639
Speaker 2: he's got double under hooks or just some kind of

584
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:46,880
Speaker 2: upper body lock. He's turning you, lifting you, and then

585
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,679
Speaker 2: using a variety of different attacks to trip out the

586
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 2: post leg to then establish contact on top. And that's

587
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,200
Speaker 2: great for a lot of reasons because one, ye'ar now

588
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 2: wrestling with the upper body and the lower body simultaneously.

589
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:01,199
Speaker 2: But you also I'll get to go into a pinned

590
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 2: position when you land on the ground, so like it

591
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,479
Speaker 2: has a ton of benefits. It's a more modern style,

592
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 2: and dude, like Max just looked like that was new

593
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 2: to him, you know what I mean. And I think

594
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:14,879
Speaker 2: it was. I don't know that he was getting the

595
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:16,880
Speaker 2: looks on that he was supposed to be getting and training.

596
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I do.

597
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 3: I mean, I can't help, but I can't help but

598
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,119
Speaker 3: wonder just a little bit though. Man, if he just

599
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,719
Speaker 3: was like, wait a minute, what I did not expect

600
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:28,719
Speaker 3: that we're going to have this kind of fight. I

601
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 3: think that maybe you're right that there was enough of

602
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 3: a you know, a dedicated new wrinkle to what Charles

603
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,199
Speaker 3: was doing. But it just seemed like I think it

604
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 3: was like maybe in the second round. After the second round,

605
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 3: you could see Max it was almost like a bewildered

606
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 3: kind of look of this, like, man, well, I can't

607
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,160
Speaker 3: believe I'm caught in this kind of whirlpool, like that's

608
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:49,399
Speaker 3: going to keep happening in the rest of a He

609
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 3: could see it in his features. Man, that he just

610
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 3: I don't know, you just didn't look like he was

611
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 3: prepared to be dealing with what he ended up dealing

612
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 3: with that night.

613
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 2: Also gives you another appreciation. I know, I know, his

614
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:00,680
Speaker 2: personality can be grating, and even I now find it

615
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:05,239
Speaker 2: QUI grating. But dude, to Poria is fucking good. I know,

616
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,119
Speaker 2: I know, man, he made that look he dude, he

617
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 2: went through Charles Olavera in two and a half minutes.

618
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,360
Speaker 3: Like no, to the point that when we were doing

619
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 3: our pregame last week, we were talking about who would be,

620
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 3: you know, if if either guy got kind of a

621
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 3: rematch in that situation. Well, I was like, I'm not

622
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 3: really interested in seeing Charles Olivera get that rematch because

623
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 3: it just wasn't competitive. It looked like it was. It

624
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 3: was such relative ease in which Taporia.

625
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:30,919
Speaker 1: Was able to win it.

626
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 3: And so you were kind of I was pointing out,

627
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:34,920
Speaker 3: and I know that Jed was kind of mentioned this,

628
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,160
Speaker 3: like you're kind of pointing out the Max Holloway would

629
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 3: be the the option there, just kind of his adaptability

630
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 3: and just the competitive nature of what he brings to it.

631
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:47,719
Speaker 3: But you see something like that, man, and what it

632
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 3: really does is just these these victories for Taporia, and

633
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:53,479
Speaker 3: there's only been a couple of them there both they're against

634
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 3: both these guys. So he's the real bellhold right for

635
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 3: the BMF because he beat both these guys, but they've

636
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 3: aged so well going into his fight June fourteenth, he

637
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 3: looks now like he's the baddest man on the planet

638
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 3: just by how easy he made a look against those guys.

639
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 1: Dana White weighed in on this main event. We have

640
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 1: the audio of the video. Let let's take a look.

641
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 1: Dana dominant work from.

642
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 5: Charles Olivera but maybe not exactly the fight the crowd

643
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 5: was anticipating or looking for. What were your thoughts on

644
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 5: the way that the main event play.

645
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 6: I don't know if anybody was expecting that.

646
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 7: I didn't.

647
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 6: I mean the way he body locked him and took

648
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 6: him down so easily and absolutely dominated him on the ground.

649
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 6: I thought there'd be a lot more stand up, and

650
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 6: I thought that that Max would do a better job

651
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 6: at defending the takedown, and if he got on the ground,

652
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 6: he'd he'd at least pop up a couple three times

653
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 6: during the round. But total domination.

654
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, At the end of the day, the goal of

655
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 5: the sport is to win fights, right, But when it's

656
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 5: a BMF title fight, do you feel like there's an

657
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 5: unwritten rule that you got to fight a little bit differently,

658
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 5: that you got to make it a stand up war

659
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 5: and not have a you know, a grappling based approach.

660
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 6: Well, I think you'll have those type of guys. But

661
00:29:58,080 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 6: you know, the goal at the end of the day

662
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 6: and every FI is to win. So he did exactly

663
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 6: what he needed to do to win. And I think

664
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 6: probably you know, you have to ask Max, but in

665
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 6: training camp, they're probably expecting. You know, if you've seen

666
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 6: Charles fight, he's not afraid to go toe to toe

667
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 6: stand up, and you know, they obviously really believe that

668
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 6: if they took him down to the ground tonight would happen.

669
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 2: So this is this is I think a fair point

670
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 2: by Dana. I mean, I think he's trying to do

671
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 2: what he can with the situation as he kind of

672
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 2: inherited it. Listen, you know me, I don't shy away

673
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 2: from criticizing UFC, but in this particular case, while I

674
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 2: again I don't change my argument, it's you're presenting a

675
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 2: fight between two guys as something you can reliably trust

676
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 2: to be an all action affair. If you don't get that,

677
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 2: you bear some responsibility. At the same time, Chuck, like

678
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 2: none of us pre fight, we're looking at this and

679
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 2: thinking to ourselves, oh, these aren't worthy candidates of what

680
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 2: we think the ideals of this belt is supposed to be,

681
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 2: or the ideals of what this belt is supposed to represent.

682
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 2: In fact, we all thought that they were perfect candidates.

683
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 2: So point to make is it's not like UFC didn't try.

684
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 2: I mean, they put together a fight that I thought

685
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 2: here made a lot of sense. It just didn't work

686
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 2: out in the way that they wanted. But like for example, Chuck,

687
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:12,239
Speaker 2: people be like, oh, you got to make it all

688
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 2: stand up affair. So now we want the UFC to

689
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 2: go jurisdiction by jurisdiction to get rules changed for one

690
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 2: particular fight within an MMA contact. Just watch one championship

691
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 2: they have four ounce muay thai every fucking Friday or something.

692
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 1: That's exactly what these people want.

693
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 2: It's it's four ounce muy thai, stand up donks killing

694
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 2: each other.

695
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 1: You've got what you need. Yeah.

696
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 3: I don't know if they're going to continue the BMF

697
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 3: at this point, man. I think that they're gonna have

698
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 3: a hard time distinguishing it because I think that it

699
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 3: was just this was just implied what you just said.

700
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 3: It was an implied sort of messaging, right, Like these

701
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 3: guys like you said, it's gonna be reliably action oriented

702
00:31:56,200 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 3: because these guys that's what they do. So that's the

703
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 3: best you can do in a matchmaking sense, right, Like

704
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 3: I say, like, we just think that this fight will

705
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 3: deliver on some fireworks level wherever that is, hopefully on

706
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 3: the feet. But when it doesn't do that, man, it

707
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 3: kind of loses its meaning. And really it's just it's

708
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 3: that Charles was unapologetic about it. You know, he was like, Hey,

709
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 3: I'm gonna I'm gonna win the fight. I'm gonna win

710
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 3: it the way I know I can win it. And

711
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 3: what does that mean for the title then? And all

712
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 3: the people's expectations with this title and if it's like

713
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 3: with Charles Olivera's wearing that BMF belt, Like does it

714
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 3: hold any significance?

715
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 1: Now?

716
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 3: If if you're going to game plan and just kind

717
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 3: of you know, manipulated guy's weaknesses, you know what I'm saying,

718
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 3: or like take advantage of something that you feel like

719
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 3: you have a big advantage in.

720
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 1: That just changes it, fair or not.

721
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 3: It just changes the gentleman's kind of handshake that I

722
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 3: think people thought was in play. But I'm with you, man,

723
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 3: Like it's just I'm not sure how you market it

724
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 3: the next time through if they do this, if it

725
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 3: doesn't just skip and like they take it off of

726
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 3: Charles and put it on you know, some of the

727
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 3: other fight or something like that. I'm not sure how

728
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 3: they'll market it with Charles Oliver for the next one.

729
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 2: You gotta really mark, you gotta to book this, it

730
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 2: turns out if you want to do this in a

731
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 2: reliable way, which is still gonna be very difficult. Like

732
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 2: Max just doesn't win with chokes from the back. He

733
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 2: wins via striking. Charles, excuse me, just ENGAGEE doesn't win

734
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 2: with chokes from the back. He wins via blah blah blah.

735
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 2: Like you have to find people who are not just

736
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 2: action fighters, but are action fighters who don't win via grappling, right,

737
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. Like they can do it

738
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 2: if they have to or something like that, but like

739
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 2: they just don't Otherwise it's not gonna work.

740
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 1: Long Island, Luke.

741
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 2: We have talked about the BMF belt. You are the

742
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 2: world's foremost BMF belt hater. Surely we have talked you

743
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 2: into your senses at this point.

744
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 4: I mean, dude, here's what I'll say. I don't think

745
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 4: the UFC is gonna get rid of it or anything, right, Like,

746
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:49,719
Speaker 4: we're clear on that they need this as a marketing

747
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 4: piece as stupid as it fucking is. Me and Charles

748
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 4: were saying that I keep calling you Charles Chruck. I

749
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,479
Speaker 4: think Charles Oliver What me and Chuck were saying pre

750
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 4: show is do you can you not strip Charles OLIVERA?

751
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:06,959
Speaker 4: But can you just move on from Charles OLIVERA and

752
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,360
Speaker 4: just put two new fighters up for the BMF or

753
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 4: do you have to let him defend it?

754
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 1: Dude?

755
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:14,879
Speaker 2: This is the this is my favorite part about all

756
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:18,239
Speaker 2: of this. They can just do whatever the fuck they wan.

757
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, but okay, but with the mospital situation, he like

758
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 4: loosely retired. I think he might have officially retired, and

759
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 4: then they were like, okay, we'll do Dustin Justin for

760
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 4: the belt, and it kind of always moved on with

761
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 4: the next person, like it never they've never like just

762
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 4: ignored the reigning BMF chap to put it on another fight.

763
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:39,879
Speaker 4: So I'd be interested to see what they do here.

764
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 4: And we were saying, like Connor arguably fighting on that

765
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 4: July ifw card, would that be against Charles for the BMF,

766
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 4: would that be against Nate. Do they put the BMF

767
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 4: on the line if it's against Nate and just say

768
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 4: sorry Charles not.

769
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 2: Or they can just do Charles Connor at one seventy

770
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 2: International that too.

771
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:03,360
Speaker 4: But are you putting, like Chuck was saying, are you

772
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:04,880
Speaker 4: putting Charles in that situation?

773
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:05,240
Speaker 1: Again?

774
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 4: Given how that just went and you it wasn't very

775
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 4: BMF E to you, do you want to risk that

776
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:10,840
Speaker 4: now with Connor?

777
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 1: Yeah? I don't know.

778
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:14,439
Speaker 2: That's a it's a problem for the UFC to solve.

779
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 2: It's just the thing is Chuck, It's like if you

780
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:20,760
Speaker 2: actually look at if you look at testimony from UFC

781
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 2: leadership under deposition, so like under oath, essentially what they

782
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 2: all admit is that the titles aren't real. I'm not

783
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 2: talking BMF, I'm talking to the Weightliss titles. And this is

784
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 2: this is not a joke. They have literally explained that

785
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 2: the legality of it is that the titles are not real.

786
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 2: It's simply a trophy that they hand out to the

787
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 2: best fighter that night. They don't mean anything other than

788
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 2: the significance that we give them. So I'm happy to

789
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 2: say we dial down the significance of BMF or we

790
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 2: dial it up. It doesn't to me, I guess what

791
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 2: I mean, like a strong opinion like fuck this belt.

792
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:53,840
Speaker 2: I was like, calm down, calm your titties, it's not

793
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 2: that serious. But at the same time, I recognize that,

794
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 2: like in a sport where you've got elite guys who

795
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 2: have wide ranging skills, it is very, very difficult to

796
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 2: consistently arrange a stand him up, rock'm soccerm robot fight,

797
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 2: And that is in contradiction to how the BMFL is presented.

798
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:14,320
Speaker 3: Right yeah, yeah, man, And I don't know, you're not

799
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 3: going to make Charles olivera change his stripes. So, like,

800
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 3: I mean, the dude has been We talked about this

801
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,839
Speaker 3: in the pregame. Everything that the UFC could have ever

802
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 3: wanted in terms of, you know how they talk about

803
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 3: second chances, perseverance and those types of things.

804
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 1: We talked about him.

805
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 5: Man.

806
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:32,319
Speaker 3: He started off his first ten fights, he went five

807
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 3: to four to one, He missed a bunch of weight,

808
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 3: he was called a quitter early in his career. He

809
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 3: was able to rebound from all of that and put

810
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 3: together almost like a cult like run that just made

811
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 3: him a hero in Brazil. And you know, wins the

812
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 3: title and was able to, you know, put himself in

813
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 3: these kinds of legacy fights to begin with. It's like

814
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 3: unassailable his career, man Like, so I don't know if

815
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,760
Speaker 3: he doesn't fit this this new this kind of gimmicky

816
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 3: thing that they've got going on.

817
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 1: It's very strange.

818
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 3: But only in MMA can you do what I just said,

819
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,800
Speaker 3: like go through that whole thing where Okay, you've changed

820
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 3: your career and you become this, you know, one of

821
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,360
Speaker 3: the stars within the league, and you have a dominant

822
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 3: performance in which you beat another guy who's running parallel

823
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 3: with you through this whole process, and you come out

824
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 3: of it for the worst where you're being criticized for

825
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 3: something that you did very well.

826
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 1: Isn't that crazy?

827
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 3: It's like, I feel like, only in the fight game

828
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 3: you come out with a damaged reputation for doing everything correctly.

829
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, for looking awesome basically yes, But again it goes

830
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:40,799
Speaker 2: back to the heart of the house. This was all

831
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 2: promoted a couple of strange items here if we can,

832
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 2: Max got his black belt from Pedro sour after this.

833
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 1: Check out this graphic that.

834
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 2: We have our new black belt after demonstrating an incredible

835
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:54,399
Speaker 2: defense and like I get the point. Don't get me wrong, dude,

836
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:57,800
Speaker 2: to survive against Charles Lavera, for I mean, justin Poiez,

837
00:37:57,840 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 2: a black belt couldn't do that. Justin Gage, you couldn't

838
00:37:59,920 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 2: do Michael Chandler couldn't do that. Like I mean, I

839
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 2: guess he got knocked out little bit differently, but go ahead,

840
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 2: can't hear you?

841
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:06,919
Speaker 1: Sorry?

842
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:08,839
Speaker 4: I had my shit set up wrong. Michael Chandler did

843
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 4: do that. He survived five rounds with Charles.

844
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 2: Oh, I guess the second one. Yes, you're right, one

845
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 2: of my I do have memory hold that, but okay,

846
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 2: it took him two tries. Took him two tries to

847
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 2: do it, especially man, just the first round, right, because

848
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:24,799
Speaker 2: everybody's dry. I mean, it just looks like everybody's at

849
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 2: their full power, and you're like, there's no way. When

850
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 2: he was down and there's still four minutes on the

851
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 2: clock and in some vulnerable positions, right, I was like,

852
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,359
Speaker 2: there's no way he survives this. So the first round

853
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 2: was extremely impressive to me for him to get through that.

854
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 1: No question.

855
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 2: First and second round the other problem with the fight,

856
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:41,840
Speaker 2: would didn't you agree? First and second round to me

857
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 2: were still pretty good. I mean they were dominant, but

858
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:46,799
Speaker 2: like there was tension. It was by round three it

859
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 2: started to dip and it's like, Okay, Max can survive,

860
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:52,760
Speaker 2: but he can't do anything else and Charles can dominate

861
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:53,879
Speaker 2: but can't finish.

862
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:56,320
Speaker 1: Uh oh, you know what I mean exactly.

863
00:38:56,680 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 3: You know what's crazy too, mane. The first minute, Max

864
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 3: comes out there and he hits a couple of those

865
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:05,919
Speaker 3: rhythm like you know it put to the jousty jab

866
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 3: out boom boom. He's kind of hitting him. Did you

867
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 3: see this? Like and you're like, oh, here we go. Man,

868
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:12,880
Speaker 3: he's already kind of putting this together. And it looked

869
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 3: like we were kind of heading in that first minute,

870
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 3: like towards something towards a Max you know, Max Holloway fight,

871
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 3: like where you're gonna wipe, Like maybe you're gonna get

872
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 3: a you know, a version of the Calvin Cat or

873
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 3: something where he's just landing combinations and counting them off.

874
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 3: Like it almost looked like that. But then you know,

875
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 3: it happened so quickly. It was such a flash in

876
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,840
Speaker 3: the pan before it all changed. But he gave just

877
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 3: a glimpse of himself in that first minute, and I

878
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:38,799
Speaker 3: think that that that kind of made it hurt all

879
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:40,359
Speaker 3: the more, honestly, I.

880
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 2: Mean, I will say, like, and we'll move on after this,

881
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 2: but because we had other stuff, we have to get

882
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 2: to you, but just very quickly. Max definitely, like both

883
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 2: guys kind of took a bit of a stock hit

884
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,319
Speaker 2: just based because Max lost. So that's not great. Yeah,

885
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 2: and then Charles won, but not in the way that

886
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 2: everyone had hoped, so that's not great. But I will

887
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:00,360
Speaker 2: say this, I don't think like Max comes out of

888
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 2: this looking like, oh, you know, jud there's no cost

889
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 2: to be paid. At the same time, I don't think

890
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 2: it's much of a cost. Like I think if they

891
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 2: book him up with this another you know, dance partner

892
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 2: where he can do what Max normally does, which is

893
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 2: gonna be the vast majority of the light weights they

894
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:15,360
Speaker 2: can put him up against, you know, he's gonna be

895
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:16,799
Speaker 2: right back in the thick of things here. This is

896
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 2: not something massively disqualifying thing.

897
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's been in the spot before and he he

898
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 3: responds tremendously well to this sort of the night You're

899
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 3: always like, how much does you know the age in

900
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 3: the in the in the battle, where like, how much

901
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 3: does that actually take effect? At some point but if

902
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:34,799
Speaker 3: you just go off the tradition of what Max has done,

903
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 3: he he always rebounds, and like like he said, he's like,

904
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 3: you know, I just want to I'll be back. I'll

905
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 3: be kicking somebody's ass again very shortly. And there are

906
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 3: plenty of guys that they can match him up with

907
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 3: right now, who would uh you know, accommodate him in

908
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 3: that sort of thing, like right, they would kind of

909
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 3: they would meet him at more in his wheelhouse that way.

910
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, here's a graphic where Max Holloway was speaking about

911
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,399
Speaker 2: his lost to Charles olavera quote, I'm gonna come back.

912
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 1: Whoop.

913
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 2: Somebody's asked, I ain't done yet. I'm gonna see miss

914
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:03,359
Speaker 2: to Olivera again. And I believe him like I believe him. Also,

915
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 2: one last note on the fight itself, if I may,

916
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,320
Speaker 2: You know, we had talked about Max like really settling

917
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 2: into fifty five and his power carrying, and you saw that,

918
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 2: of course at UFC three hundred and a very big.

919
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 2: But you saw that in the rematch with Dustin Partyer too,

920
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 2: Like there's a there's a well, I should say the trilogy,

921
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 2: excuse me, but I did feel like Charles, who I

922
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 2: also know fought forty five for a time. Again, I

923
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 2: do think Max was technically unprepared for what he was

924
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 2: going up against Charles. But do you feel chuck that

925
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 2: like he also looked a little I'm not weak, not undersize,

926
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 2: but to the physicality of Charles OLIVERA.

927
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 3: Was a bit of a surprise. That was surprising. I

928
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:46,479
Speaker 3: certainly noticed it, let's put it that way. I didn't

929
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 3: notice that Max did not look the same size as Charles.

930
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 1: I don't know. Max used to cut his weight.

931
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 3: Cuts were pretty bad, weren't they, Like when he was

932
00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 3: going down to one forty five, and generally speaking, man like,

933
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 3: he's been fine at one fifty five in terms of

934
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 3: you know you, I wasn't worried about him, right like,

935
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:09,839
Speaker 3: because he came up there. We saw that justin Gaegee thing,

936
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:11,720
Speaker 3: but like that, you know, I feel like his power

937
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 3: translated well enough, and obviously his speed was still in play,

938
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 3: you know, just with the stand up in general.

939
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 1: So I haven't really worried about it.

940
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 3: But it is funny that you mentioned that because it

941
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 3: looked like Charles wasn't a different weight class. I don't

942
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 3: know if that was just you know, Charle's like put

943
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:30,319
Speaker 3: on it I don't know what that was, man, but

944
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 3: I did not anticipate having such a visual kind of

945
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 3: like discrepancy in their weight there other size you know.

946
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, well you got it. Kind of interesting. All right,

947
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 2: let's move on to topic number two. So let's talk

948
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:45,839
Speaker 2: about the co main event of UFC three twenty six.

949
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:50,879
Speaker 2: Kyle Bihalio wins a pretty clear unanimous decision victory over

950
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:54,800
Speaker 2: Runier de Ritter, and the bout was supposed to be, Chuck,

951
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:57,839
Speaker 2: something of a redemption moment for two contenders, or well

952
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:00,319
Speaker 2: call that both of them were not just coming off

953
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 2: of losses, but kind of deflating losses to both their

954
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 2: stock and then the momentum they were trying to build.

955
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:11,360
Speaker 2: So simple question, Chuck, in your opinion, did Boholio get

956
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 2: the rejuvenation to his stock and the redemption that this

957
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 2: wind was supposed to confer.

958
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 1: I think he did.

959
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 3: I mean, obviously, like him getting a finish or something

960
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 3: would have especially on this card, you know, maybe it

961
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:24,880
Speaker 3: would have felt bigger.

962
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:27,400
Speaker 1: But you're you like, I have to correct you. He

963
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 1: did get a finish. Oh my lord, I was sitting

964
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:34,759
Speaker 1: here like, dude, am I out of my mind? Oh

965
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 1: my god?

966
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:37,319
Speaker 2: We saw a lot of that. We saw a lot

967
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 2: of that shit we saw. Listen, I'm forty six going

968
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 2: on fourteen.

969
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:45,479
Speaker 3: Do you understand that? Oh man, you had me sitting

970
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 3: here like what he had to finish? Oh my god, Yeah,

971
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 3: he finished all right, But it was you know, it was, uh,

972
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 3: you you like to break down tape like this was actually,

973
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 3: like he said, he likes to look at fighters. He's

974
00:43:57,560 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 3: told me this in the past when I've talked to him,

975
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 3: like as equations, right, like he's a he's a nerd, right,

976
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 3: So he looks at it like a math equation. And

977
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 3: it felt like he had him he had uh, Renier

978
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,439
Speaker 3: barely solved. And one of the things that it looked

979
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:12,839
Speaker 3: like to me was that he had like almost those

980
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 3: king green hands down here by the like by his side.

981
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 3: He was not worried about the power, you know, the

982
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 3: punching power. It was more about like, hey, if we're

983
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:22,840
Speaker 3: gonna if you're gonna change levels on me, I'll be

984
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 3: ready for it. I'm gonna keep the fight standing. And

985
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 3: if I keep the fight standing, I'm gonna piece you up.

986
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:28,840
Speaker 3: And uh. And he was also very good at just

987
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 3: kind of Rener's like he's able to put his weight,

988
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:37,919
Speaker 3: you know, use his weight very effectively, and I didn't

989
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:39,360
Speaker 3: feel like he could do that in this Like he

990
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 3: couldn't just kind of body him and bully him. It

991
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,839
Speaker 3: just seemed like Kyaw was up for all of that.

992
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:47,399
Speaker 3: It felt like anything that was being thrown at him

993
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 3: he was completely prepared for. And there's something to be

994
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 3: said about kind of understanding your opponent to that degree, right, No,

995
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 3: I certainly.

996
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 1: Think that there is.

997
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 2: I thought it was a fine performance. Yeah, I thought

998
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 2: he did what he needed to do. I thought he

999
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 2: was clearly the deserving guy. He shut down Deridter a lot.

1000
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 2: Deritter was trying to grab, you know, and collar tie

1001
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 2: constantly and then clinch up, and he was really good

1002
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 2: about clinch breaking.

1003
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 1: He was pretty good about takedown defense. I think de

1004
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 1: Ridter got like what.

1005
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 2: Two of eight something like that, and couldn't hold a

1006
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,760
Speaker 2: lot of control time. He took the fight to Deridter

1007
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 2: when he needed to. I thought some of his boxing

1008
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 2: looked improved. You know, that right hook he had, the

1009
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:32,319
Speaker 2: leg kicks were brutal. You know, he did a lot

1010
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 2: of what he needed to do. I just the one

1011
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:37,840
Speaker 2: of the challenges that really happens Chuck in this division

1012
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 2: now is like it's like, Okay, did you get through

1013
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 2: the hurdle that you needed to get through?

1014
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 1: Yes?

1015
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 2: What does that mean for Hamzat Chimayev? And it's I'm

1016
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:49,319
Speaker 2: not even saying that's necessarily fair, but I do think

1017
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:51,360
Speaker 2: it's just what's going to happen, Especially if you're this

1018
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 2: close to the top, You're like, okay, well, you know

1019
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:56,840
Speaker 2: what does it mean for that? I will say the

1020
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:59,319
Speaker 2: one thing I really enjoyed about this performance Chuck was

1021
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 2: not just that, you know, the right guy won and

1022
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 2: it was a I think a respectable bounce back. It

1023
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 2: didn't set you know, the world on fire by any stretch,

1024
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 2: but it was fine. Is that he called out DDP.

1025
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 1: Yeah. I love that. I love that.

1026
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 2: I mean, first of all, we got to get DDP

1027
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 2: back in action. It's got a little bit of a

1028
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 2: donk fest, you know whatever. That's that kind of pairing happens.

1029
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 3: Well, if you consider yourself a very smart, cerebral fighter

1030
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:27,360
Speaker 3: and you're calling out DDP, you're calling out kind of

1031
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 3: the opposite of you, right, Like you're saying, like, I

1032
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 3: think I can outwitch you a little bit.

1033
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:33,439
Speaker 2: Right, Let's let's as a matter of fact, he talked

1034
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 2: more about it at the post fight press conference.

1035
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 1: It's take a look.

1036
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:37,439
Speaker 5: You had to call out ready to go with Drick

1037
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 5: his dupla c obviously would be an amazing fight.

1038
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 1: Why do you think that's the right fight to make

1039
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 1: right now?

1040
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 8: Because you already said it's going to be an amazing

1041
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:46,760
Speaker 8: fight for the fans, you know, like I can entertain people.

1042
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 8: I think you guys were entertaining today, you know, like

1043
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 8: my hands down, moving everywhere and throwing punches, trying to

1044
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:56,240
Speaker 8: knock this guy out. And I think me and Dricus

1045
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 8: can do a great fight. I respect him a lot

1046
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:01,280
Speaker 8: as a champion. I think he was a very dominant champion.

1047
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 8: Awkward guy to fight too, but a little bit short

1048
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 8: then shorter than than than ran here, so I think

1049
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 8: my punch is going to connect a little bit more.

1050
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:14,240
Speaker 1: But he's one of the best guys in the world.

1051
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:16,799
Speaker 8: I feel that I'm one of the best guys in

1052
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 8: the world, and uh, I just want to go there

1053
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 8: and test myself against these guys, you know, and uh

1054
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 8: made the best man wings and the titles on the

1055
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:26,280
Speaker 8: table all the time.

1056
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 1: Yeah it.

1057
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 3: No, I dig it a lot. And I think that

1058
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 3: if you if you're looking at it realistically. And I

1059
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 3: think that's what Kyle's doing, is like, I'm probably not

1060
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 3: getting the next title fight, So what would be an

1061
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:46,279
Speaker 3: obvious opponent that you like your matchup to put you

1062
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 3: in that spot. I think the DDP is that, right.

1063
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 3: I think that if he goes through DDP, he has

1064
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:51,240
Speaker 3: that argument.

1065
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1066
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 2: And I also feel like, you know, like part of

1067
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 2: the reason why he's not calling out Tom because it'd

1068
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:58,480
Speaker 2: be one thing if you want is like, Okay, I

1069
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:01,319
Speaker 2: want to get right back there and and then to

1070
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 2: call out another guy in front of that, So you're

1071
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:07,840
Speaker 2: putting the Chamayah fight on the back burner. To me,

1072
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:10,359
Speaker 2: if this is a guy who trained with Shamayav too,

1073
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:12,800
Speaker 2: remember that, Yeah, to me, it kind of signals that

1074
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:14,919
Speaker 2: Kyo kind of knows there's a little bit more work

1075
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 2: to do before he really makes a move up to

1076
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:19,719
Speaker 2: the very very top of the food chain. And I

1077
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 2: kind of appreciate that about him. I appreciate that he

1078
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:26,360
Speaker 2: was able to find in this call out an exciting

1079
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 2: possibility for the future while recognizing a little bit more

1080
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 2: seasoning on this dish, you know what I mean, a

1081
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:36,479
Speaker 2: little bit more work on this thing. I love both

1082
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 2: the courage as well as the sensibility of it all.

1083
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:41,359
Speaker 1: I think you like the fight.

1084
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:43,360
Speaker 3: Like he was just kind of mentioning, like, you know,

1085
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 3: it's a he thinks it's a fan friendly fight.

1086
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:47,319
Speaker 1: I was just kind of contemplating that. I mean, I

1087
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 1: think it would be.

1088
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:51,720
Speaker 2: Dude, I don't think DDP, I mean, unless you are Chamaya.

1089
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:54,400
Speaker 2: DDP doesn't let you have a yeah, and he's.

1090
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:58,240
Speaker 3: Probably hell been to to do something after that performance.

1091
00:48:57,880 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 2: Especially you have to wash the taste out of people,

1092
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 2: and he's got a lot to prove in that regard,

1093
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 2: you know, So I would be very surprised if it wasn't.

1094
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 2: I don't see Kyo having the kind of shut down

1095
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 2: wrestling that Shamaya have had.

1096
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:11,880
Speaker 1: I just don't. That seems a little harder for me

1097
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 1: to imagine.

1098
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, I don't think that that would actually,

1099
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 3: you know, get like people too interested either right away

1100
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 3: not with you know, I don't know, is it gonna

1101
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 3: be strict one then? Like is that what we're like?

1102
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:27,800
Speaker 3: Is this what's happening? I mean, I mean, dude, I

1103
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 3: mean I feel like you needed to somebody needed to

1104
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 3: make a huge statement in this fight, and that didn't happen, right, So.

1105
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 2: We're we're living in the era of DEI for Americans

1106
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 2: in the UFC. And you know, Shawn said, Shawn's not

1107
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:41,880
Speaker 2: like not He's not a bad fighter. He's obviously very

1108
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 2: very good fighter and has earned a pretty big opportunity.

1109
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:46,400
Speaker 2: Whether he's the number one contender obviously is a very

1110
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 2: different argument. But dude, that fight is big. Like, then

1111
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:51,359
Speaker 2: they're probably gonna make big fights that fans defense if

1112
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 2: they at least if they made that one, you could

1113
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 2: have an argument for one the fans really wanted it too.

1114
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:00,080
Speaker 2: There is at least some pretty good argument for thinking

1115
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 2: that Sean's got a good chance if anybody does in

1116
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 2: that division of giving TREMAIV some kind of challenge.

1117
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:06,840
Speaker 1: So I don't I would.

1118
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 2: Actually be totally okay, But I recognize Imovov is the

1119
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:10,279
Speaker 2: rightful guy.

1120
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 1: I understand.

1121
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:13,279
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, And Strickland's not going to come off a

1122
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:15,360
Speaker 3: better performance than what he just did with Fluffy. So

1123
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:18,319
Speaker 3: I mean, if you're going to do it, I mean, yes, time, what.

1124
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 2: Does this leave de Ritter in your mind? I mean,

1125
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:23,480
Speaker 2: he's still interesting, right, He's still he didn't look shabby.

1126
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 2: He just looked like his athleticism is going to the

1127
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:28,840
Speaker 2: limits of it. Are gonna have some limits for what

1128
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 2: he can actually do.

1129
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 1: In the game.

1130
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 3: Did it look to you like he had a good plan?

1131
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 3: B It just seemed like he was if he wasn't

1132
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 3: gonna do the thing he went in there to do.

1133
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 3: It was sort of like he looked a little listless

1134
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 3: to me. He's been able to really use his weapons

1135
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:47,279
Speaker 3: really well. I mean, even like in you know that

1136
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:49,439
Speaker 3: Bo Nickel fight was just you know, just being able

1137
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:52,439
Speaker 3: to shut down a dude like that. You know, it's

1138
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:56,279
Speaker 3: just uh, that was that speaks volumes. But I'm not sure.

1139
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 3: I don't know if it's just and you maybe tell

1140
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 3: me this, like, is it because there's there's more tape

1141
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 3: on him and people are like, Okay, here's what you

1142
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:06,400
Speaker 3: can't do versus him, here's what you can do. Or

1143
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 3: is it that you know that he's going against really

1144
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 3: good guys every time, and some of these guys are

1145
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:14,399
Speaker 3: going to beat him, you know what I mean, he's

1146
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:16,240
Speaker 3: he I mean he's going to each time. They're booking

1147
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 3: him against the top of the class. You know, these

1148
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:19,880
Speaker 3: guys are like up there, and so he's just fighting

1149
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:21,880
Speaker 3: good fighter. It's not like he's getting beat by a

1150
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 3: guy who's like marginally top fifteen. He's getting beat by

1151
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 3: good guys. Or do you think that people are saying like, Okay,

1152
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:29,480
Speaker 3: wait a minute, here's how you beat him. Like you

1153
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 3: can look at the tape and sort of say, you

1154
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:33,719
Speaker 3: know what I mean, Like, are people figuring him out?

1155
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 3: Is that what's happening?

1156
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1157
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:35,960
Speaker 2: I mean his foot works a little bit of a mess,

1158
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 2: which is why you see him a lot of times

1159
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 2: kind of off balance trying to turn and find people.

1160
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:42,279
Speaker 2: You know, he had a hard time. He can't knee

1161
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 2: pound when he wrestles. A lot of people that can

1162
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 2: lower the level.

1163
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 1: And then then when they when.

1164
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 2: The front leg goes out to us to plant and

1165
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:51,240
Speaker 2: then bend through the shot, you know, they can really

1166
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 2: lower their level very fast.

1167
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 1: On that. You don't have to knee pounds.

1168
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 2: Not a requirement, but it's sort of a shorthand way

1169
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:59,040
Speaker 2: of understanding level changing. He can't do that at all,

1170
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 2: so like to kind of come over the top and

1171
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 2: grab people like that, and if you're good at clinch

1172
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 2: breaking and framing, you can, as Kyle Bohllio clearly is

1173
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:09,839
Speaker 2: it just shuts all of that down.

1174
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 1: So like he's got real limits.

1175
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 2: But dude, if I was him, fucking go to two

1176
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:17,359
Speaker 2: oh five, like, you're big enough for it. You don't

1177
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:19,359
Speaker 2: have to cut the weight you can. These guys are

1178
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 2: donks up there, like go do that shit.

1179
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 1: You know that's a good call, man.

1180
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 3: I mean that would be fun for him too, because

1181
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 3: I always love it, like when you the partitions down.

1182
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 3: I don't know if he's gonna he's nowhere near you know,

1183
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 3: losing back to backfights, you're nowhere near the title fight anyway.

1184
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:36,839
Speaker 3: If you're going to do something like that, this would

1185
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 3: be the time. And he's still got plenty of juice.

1186
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 3: I feel like people really were talking about him man,

1187
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:43,320
Speaker 3: going into this fight, and like when he was winning

1188
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:45,400
Speaker 3: those uh, those those first fights in the UFC, I

1189
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 3: felt like he had a huge buzz, like he became

1190
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 3: sort of a.

1191
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:51,239
Speaker 1: Uh you know this, Uh what would you like?

1192
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:53,840
Speaker 3: I don't know, one of the rare crossovers that you

1193
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 3: really have intrigue with, and I don't feel like that's

1194
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 3: done by any stretch man.

1195
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:00,239
Speaker 1: Go to two o five, brother, you'll have a You'll

1196
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 1: win some big fights up there. I guarantee it.

1197
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:05,399
Speaker 2: Rel Rosas Junior Chuck got the win of a Rob

1198
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:09,400
Speaker 2: Font not controversial. He was simply better in the wrestling.

1199
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 2: He looked good in the wrestling. He looked good for

1200
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 2: the most part, I thought in the control department, virtually

1201
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:18,919
Speaker 2: no ground and pound to speak of in this fight, Chuck.

1202
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:21,920
Speaker 2: There were ten significant strikes that Rob Font landed throughout

1203
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 2: that fight. Do you know how many significant strikes Rel

1204
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 2: Rosas Junior landed?

1205
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:25,839
Speaker 5: Oh?

1206
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 1: No? Eight? Wait, Tod, how.

1207
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:30,879
Speaker 2: Would you grade his development after this win? Because it's

1208
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 2: a good name. There are parts of his game that

1209
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:36,280
Speaker 2: you cannot deny are clearly threatening for very good people.

1210
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:38,799
Speaker 1: But he's still twenty one. What would you say?

1211
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:40,960
Speaker 3: I mean, if you look at it strictly from like

1212
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:43,839
Speaker 3: poise and just like the for his age and like

1213
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 3: handling the escalation a little bit of an opponent. And

1214
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 3: people are saying, you know, Rob Font's one of those

1215
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:51,920
Speaker 3: guys where prospects go to die. He's done this a

1216
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:55,319
Speaker 3: couple of times where he's taken out guys who had

1217
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 3: a little head of steam and they ran in Rob Font,

1218
00:53:57,600 --> 00:53:59,880
Speaker 3: and that's who he beats. But at the same time,

1219
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:03,440
Speaker 3: you know, I felt like Rob was doing okay in

1220
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:06,360
Speaker 3: certain aspects of that fight, But as soon as I

1221
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:08,319
Speaker 3: saw Raoul kind of get in the control and the

1222
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:10,840
Speaker 3: takedowns and and the poison what he was doing, and

1223
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:14,200
Speaker 3: I was like, all right, this kid now is you know,

1224
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 3: like he's doing what's he's taking what's available to him,

1225
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 3: and he's dictating where he needs to and that that

1226
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:21,239
Speaker 3: to me spoke vioence because if you if you go back,

1227
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:23,480
Speaker 3: you mentioned this before, he was never really a fenom.

1228
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:25,560
Speaker 3: He's just a young He's not like a guy that

1229
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:27,400
Speaker 3: you're like, oh my, got a future champion. He was

1230
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 3: just a very young guy who got in there and obviously,

1231
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:31,800
Speaker 3: like a couple of these fights, you've seen the mistakes

1232
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 3: he's made early on, sometimes over zealous, you know what

1233
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:38,279
Speaker 3: I mean. But I didn't feel like any I didn't

1234
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 3: feel like any of that was an evidence against a

1235
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:42,920
Speaker 3: guy who is what seventeen years is his senior and

1236
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:44,920
Speaker 3: like has a ton more experience. I felt like he

1237
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 3: knew exactly what he had to do to beat him,

1238
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 3: and that's how he did it. It wasn't the greatest fight,

1239
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:51,759
Speaker 3: but he got the job done without putting himself in

1240
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:52,799
Speaker 3: danger through that fight.

1241
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:55,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, he also got the job downe without putting his

1242
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:57,359
Speaker 2: opponent in danger, which is true the problem for me,

1243
00:54:57,520 --> 00:55:00,720
Speaker 2: but I mean, here's what I would say about his development,

1244
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 2: Like like like you can't watch him fight and then

1245
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:07,160
Speaker 2: conclude he's not getting better. Just on like one very

1246
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:09,840
Speaker 2: obvious way you can tell he's getting better, Like before chucking,

1247
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:12,080
Speaker 2: like some of his early UFC fights, you know, he

1248
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:15,400
Speaker 2: was trying to like thrash the opponent immediately, like immediately

1249
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:17,440
Speaker 2: get the take down, immediately passed him out, like kind

1250
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:20,360
Speaker 2: of like a Hamzat, you know, shot out of a cannon.

1251
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:21,960
Speaker 1: And this time he doesn't. He doesn't do that.

1252
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:23,959
Speaker 2: Now now he sets up his shots, he takes time.

1253
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:27,080
Speaker 2: Clearly he's getting better, like there's simply no question about it.

1254
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:29,560
Speaker 2: The issues for me, though, is like these kinds of

1255
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 2: the like these versions of development where you're not spazzing out,

1256
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:36,440
Speaker 2: you're more methodically applying a game, you know, but then

1257
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:39,480
Speaker 2: there's no ground and pounds. These are these are these

1258
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:43,279
Speaker 2: are really important developments and they matter, but they're also

1259
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 2: the kind of thing that should never be worked on

1260
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 2: in the UFC itself.

1261
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 1: Yeah right, these.

1262
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 2: Are things that you should get outside of it before

1263
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 2: you get here, because that you're going to need a

1264
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:57,240
Speaker 2: much more fully thought out and developed game to land

1265
00:55:57,280 --> 00:55:59,480
Speaker 2: and it's like, dude, yes, you can beat Rob Font

1266
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:01,279
Speaker 2: with your rest and that is not nothing. That is

1267
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 2: actually something, and I don't want to take that away

1268
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:05,880
Speaker 2: from him, but that is not You're gonna run into

1269
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 2: a brick fucking wall at the top of this division

1270
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:12,799
Speaker 2: amongst not just a champion, several guys before that are

1271
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:14,959
Speaker 2: gonna make you look foolish if you don't really begin

1272
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:17,279
Speaker 2: to build that part of the game too.

1273
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:20,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think that if your game plan is

1274
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:24,359
Speaker 3: to nullify another guy's danger is like if you're trying

1275
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:27,000
Speaker 3: to nullify striking or if you're trying to nullify the excitement,

1276
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:29,719
Speaker 3: that's not gonna be in good standing. Well, sometimes we

1277
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:31,759
Speaker 3: talk about I know we're gonna even mention this on

1278
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:35,279
Speaker 3: a little bit too, like where the game in general suffers,

1279
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:38,160
Speaker 3: like where the UFC suffers. And you get a lot

1280
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:40,040
Speaker 3: of these matchups, now, man, you get a lot of

1281
00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 3: these matchups where I know that you know, Raoul is

1282
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:45,760
Speaker 3: very young, but you get matchups where it just seems

1283
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:49,839
Speaker 3: like you know, they they're they're good enough to win

1284
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 3: a fight, right Like then they're happy enough to win

1285
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:55,200
Speaker 3: the fight. They're happy enough to win the fight without

1286
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 3: some of the you know, the more in depth tools

1287
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 3: to put the fight away or to you know, to

1288
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 3: be aggressive or to have a sense of urgency. A

1289
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:05,680
Speaker 3: lot of times you know what's happening is this fight

1290
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:08,000
Speaker 3: was a prime example. Once the once you kind of

1291
00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:09,960
Speaker 3: saw what was happening, did you think it was going

1292
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:11,640
Speaker 3: to end? I mean, like you said, nobody was ever

1293
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:14,160
Speaker 3: in danger in the fight, so it felt destined to

1294
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:16,320
Speaker 3: go the fifteen minutes. And what you don't want, and

1295
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:19,160
Speaker 3: we're seeing it too often is for fights fifteen minutes

1296
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 3: or twenty five minutes to feel like sentences to the

1297
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 3: fan base. And unfortunately this one, this one kind of

1298
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 3: skirted that edge a little bit.

1299
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:28,200
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, yeah, I.

1300
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:30,880
Speaker 2: Still plenty of reason to be hyped for him, twenty

1301
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:33,200
Speaker 2: one years old, a lot of time to get better.

1302
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 2: But my attitude on him is yes, there is obviously

1303
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:39,200
Speaker 2: so much time to get better. Needs a lot of

1304
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 2: work too.

1305
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:41,840
Speaker 3: Needs a lot of It's it's hard to to be

1306
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:44,840
Speaker 3: in the spotlight, you know this, I mean, this is

1307
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:47,959
Speaker 3: this is a this is like the swing bout wherever

1308
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:50,200
Speaker 3: you call it. In a pay per view, It's like

1309
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:52,280
Speaker 3: on a big card. He was at the sphere right

1310
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 3: like he's on that card, Like he's been in some

1311
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:57,080
Speaker 3: big spots. He's one of those guys who may benefit

1312
00:57:57,160 --> 00:57:59,560
Speaker 3: from a couple of quieter shows and just kind of

1313
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:01,160
Speaker 3: let him, you know what I mean, if you're going

1314
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:03,040
Speaker 3: to grow up in the UFC, put him in spots

1315
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 3: where it's not so conspicuous.

1316
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 1: No, no, no question in my mind, very quickly.

1317
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:11,200
Speaker 2: ROAs Sauce has a goal in mind that he talked

1318
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:12,919
Speaker 2: about the post fight press conference to take a look.

1319
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 1: Thanks fighters against I guess when would you like to return?

1320
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:15,919
Speaker 3: Uh?

1321
00:58:16,040 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm gonna talk to my team and God willing,

1322
00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:22,439
Speaker 7: I'm able to return asap this summer hopefully. I want

1323
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:24,280
Speaker 7: to stay active. You know, I got I got two

1324
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:27,360
Speaker 7: years to break John Jones's record, and I feel like

1325
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:29,919
Speaker 7: I'm in a good path. I'm starting off the year good,

1326
00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:32,480
Speaker 7: you know, being ranked at twenty one years old, so

1327
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:34,720
Speaker 7: we're doing a good job.

1328
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:37,680
Speaker 3: I did where do you get those Marilyn Manson glasses?

1329
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:38,360
Speaker 1: Man? Those are nice?

1330
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:41,200
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, why did he steal a boiler sunglasses?

1331
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:44,080
Speaker 2: I mean, I want, I want to be clear. I'm

1332
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 2: I don't know what's cool anymore. I don't know what

1333
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:49,320
Speaker 2: young people are wearing, male or female, but those definitely

1334
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:50,600
Speaker 2: look like my grandmother's glasses.

1335
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:55,680
Speaker 1: A fucking yeah, all right, let's that's cool with that.

1336
00:58:57,240 --> 00:59:02,960
Speaker 2: Not elsewhere on the card, Drew dober sent Michael Johnson

1337
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 2: to the shadow realm it was a nice win. This

1338
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:08,840
Speaker 2: is the aftermath. I mean, he look great doing it.

1339
00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:11,200
Speaker 2: I just don't know what the takeaway is supposed to

1340
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:12,800
Speaker 2: be chock like we do these shows, like what do

1341
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:13,720
Speaker 2: these wins mean?

1342
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:16,960
Speaker 1: Does this win even mean anything? I don't know. I

1343
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:18,240
Speaker 1: don't know that it does, you know.

1344
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:20,920
Speaker 3: I mean, these guys are forever and the and they're

1345
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:23,280
Speaker 3: not going any different from the spots they're in right here,

1346
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:27,160
Speaker 3: right like they're just kind of with Drew Dobers. But

1347
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:29,720
Speaker 3: both those guys, I think they deliver a good fight.

1348
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:30,040
Speaker 1: You know.

1349
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:32,280
Speaker 3: It's almost like you know, back in the day with

1350
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:35,240
Speaker 3: guys like Clay Guida or you know, these guys who

1351
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 3: are veterans who would just be on cards, you know,

1352
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:38,960
Speaker 3: I know, Clay Gweda, you know, you just watch them.

1353
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:41,280
Speaker 3: I feel like that's where these guys are the only thing,

1354
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:44,320
Speaker 3: you know, the only takeaway is, you know, Michael Johnson,

1355
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:46,840
Speaker 3: I was kind of impressed with He's been an enigma

1356
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:48,520
Speaker 3: for a lot of years because he'd beat the guys

1357
00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:51,040
Speaker 3: he you know, he shouldn't beat, but then he'd lose

1358
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:53,200
Speaker 3: fights that you're like, you're certain who's gonna win, Like

1359
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 3: it's impossible to kind of like handicap the guy. But

1360
00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:57,280
Speaker 3: at the same time, he comes in there and he's

1361
00:59:57,280 --> 01:00:00,800
Speaker 3: showing you very quick speed poison third nine years old. Like,

1362
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:04,000
Speaker 3: I felt like his exchanges, his uh is striking. It

1363
01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:05,560
Speaker 3: looked very crisp in the first round. I thought he

1364
01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:07,919
Speaker 3: was winning the fight up until the moment he wasn't.

1365
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:09,520
Speaker 3: And boy did he get taken out. Man, that was

1366
01:00:09,560 --> 01:00:11,480
Speaker 3: a brutal knockout.

1367
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:17,560
Speaker 2: Wow, I agree, Now, Long Island, Luke, there was weird

1368
01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:20,520
Speaker 2: line movement on this. Can you quickly walk us through

1369
01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 2: the weirdness of that and then let's hear what Drewdover's

1370
01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:24,400
Speaker 2: response to it was.

1371
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:27,080
Speaker 4: But first you go so basically early in the week,

1372
01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:29,920
Speaker 4: Drew Dooverer is hovering around like plus one forty. The

1373
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:32,200
Speaker 4: line opened at plus one sixty as you can see

1374
01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:34,520
Speaker 4: here come fight night, look at that number on the

1375
01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:37,840
Speaker 4: bottom left there. Minus two thirty three was where he

1376
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:40,400
Speaker 4: peaked at. So he Wow, plus one sixty dog to

1377
01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:43,040
Speaker 4: a minus two thirty three favorite. I will say right

1378
01:00:43,080 --> 01:00:45,439
Speaker 4: around fight time he was like minus two to zero five.

1379
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:48,480
Speaker 4: But either way, this fight was a pickum the morning

1380
01:00:48,600 --> 01:00:50,600
Speaker 4: of the fight, So for it to grow that much,

1381
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:53,560
Speaker 4: I'm honestly shocked they did not pull the fight. I

1382
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:58,080
Speaker 4: thought for sure, this is clearly some betting irregularities. I

1383
01:00:58,080 --> 01:01:00,600
Speaker 4: would have thought Dana was on the phone with those guys,

1384
01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:02,200
Speaker 4: the integrity services whatever.

1385
01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:03,160
Speaker 1: Shocked.

1386
01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:05,920
Speaker 4: Also the fact that it's two Michael Johnson fights back

1387
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:08,600
Speaker 4: to back, little weird, just saying very weird. Yep, they

1388
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:11,040
Speaker 4: didn't acknowledge it. Dober wasn't even told about it. Here's

1389
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:12,040
Speaker 4: what he had to say about it.

1390
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:15,200
Speaker 9: And then obviously you're probably gonna get a ton of

1391
01:01:15,240 --> 01:01:19,280
Speaker 9: questions about this. There was a lot circulating online before

1392
01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:24,000
Speaker 9: this fight. Did anyone notify you before the fight? Did

1393
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:26,320
Speaker 9: anyone come into the locker room? Or are you just

1394
01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:27,720
Speaker 9: finding out about this? You know?

1395
01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:28,080
Speaker 1: Now?

1396
01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:30,240
Speaker 10: I literally just found out about this like two in

1397
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:33,320
Speaker 10: years ago, Like I'm just finding out about it now.

1398
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:35,840
Speaker 10: I don't bet, I don't gamble, and I know nothing

1399
01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:39,000
Speaker 10: about it. So this is all news to me. And

1400
01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:40,840
Speaker 10: nobody came up to me in the locker room. We

1401
01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:43,080
Speaker 10: didn't talk about it. It was never a thing until

1402
01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:44,920
Speaker 10: you know, we're just now we're talking about with you.

1403
01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:47,320
Speaker 9: Is that weird being on the other end of something

1404
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:48,600
Speaker 9: like that, To.

1405
01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:50,240
Speaker 10: Be honest, like, I haven't even really thought about it.

1406
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:52,960
Speaker 10: I have no idea what's going on, and people are

1407
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:55,440
Speaker 10: asking me questions, and like, I didn't even know what happened.

1408
01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:57,720
Speaker 1: I feel like super weird.

1409
01:01:57,760 --> 01:02:00,560
Speaker 4: They didn't talk to him, especially given the last few things,

1410
01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:02,840
Speaker 4: like that's very sure to not even acknowledge it is

1411
01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:03,439
Speaker 4: super weird.

1412
01:02:04,080 --> 01:02:05,640
Speaker 2: I don't know what to make of it except to

1413
01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:07,680
Speaker 2: say that I saw some and this is just I

1414
01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:09,880
Speaker 2: want to be as clear as I can. This is

1415
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:13,240
Speaker 2: internet rumoring, right, but that there was something happening with

1416
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:17,760
Speaker 2: Michael Johnson's family and that here there were people online.

1417
01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:18,640
Speaker 1: Let's be clear about this.

1418
01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:21,360
Speaker 2: There are people online claiming that there was something wrong

1419
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:23,320
Speaker 2: with Michael Johnson's family and that he had to lose

1420
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:26,919
Speaker 2: to pay off some kind of ransom or some other

1421
01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:29,960
Speaker 2: you know, And this is just internet speculation, is the

1422
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:31,640
Speaker 2: best I can tell. I don't want to dignify this

1423
01:02:31,720 --> 01:02:34,160
Speaker 2: if it's just complete nonsense. I'm just alerting folks to

1424
01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:36,800
Speaker 2: what I had seen floating out in the ether.

1425
01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:40,160
Speaker 1: But that kind of wine movement, though, is like unheard of.

1426
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:43,600
Speaker 3: I mean, that's just you don't see that unless something's weird,

1427
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:43,920
Speaker 3: you know.

1428
01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:49,440
Speaker 2: Last, but not least, Chuck, if I can, Gregor Hobocop,

1429
01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:52,040
Speaker 2: Gregory Hadriguez gets a big win. Let's take a look

1430
01:02:52,040 --> 01:02:53,280
Speaker 2: at it and then I'll ask you about it. Here

1431
01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:56,800
Speaker 2: we go, watch this Bob hit him with the bob gun.

1432
01:02:57,480 --> 01:02:59,479
Speaker 2: This was a rematch. He did it in a minute,

1433
01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:02,440
Speaker 2: in like forty five seconds, Chuck. He looked great.

1434
01:03:02,600 --> 01:03:05,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, what is three wins in a row? Where

1435
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:07,640
Speaker 1: are we with RoboCop? Well?

1436
01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:10,280
Speaker 3: That was fun because correct me if I'm wrong. Was

1437
01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:11,840
Speaker 3: that the first punch throw? I know, they did a

1438
01:03:11,880 --> 01:03:13,520
Speaker 3: couple of lake kicks. It felt like they were not

1439
01:03:13,560 --> 01:03:16,200
Speaker 3: doing anything up until the moment he delivers that big punch.

1440
01:03:17,560 --> 01:03:19,880
Speaker 3: It's like, I mean that that always is gonna stand out.

1441
01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:22,360
Speaker 3: And also admirable restraint. You could see him like look

1442
01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:25,440
Speaker 3: at the looking at uh put out of him basically

1443
01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:27,360
Speaker 3: saying like I don't really need to do anything here,

1444
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:29,680
Speaker 3: shrug your shoulders. I guess it's over. That was a

1445
01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:32,320
Speaker 3: great performance, man, And you know, if you go back.

1446
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:35,440
Speaker 3: I think just in his UFC, like he's got seven knockouts.

1447
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:39,440
Speaker 3: The dude is carrying some serious power. And look at

1448
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:42,800
Speaker 3: his physique, Dude, like he doesn't he look like he's like, uh,

1449
01:03:43,680 --> 01:03:46,080
Speaker 3: I don't know, he's like it's almost like he's a

1450
01:03:46,120 --> 01:03:48,760
Speaker 3: second strike. Okay, one to the body, all right, So, like,

1451
01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:50,720
Speaker 3: but the second strike, that's pretty impressive stuff.

1452
01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:52,720
Speaker 1: Thank you long on the loop. But his physique, man,

1453
01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:56,680
Speaker 1: he looks like a bodybuilder. I mean, I know that

1454
01:03:56,720 --> 01:03:58,120
Speaker 1: you know the world, but like he.

1455
01:03:58,160 --> 01:04:01,840
Speaker 3: Is so cut and it's it's almost it's almost at

1456
01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:03,960
Speaker 3: odds with his feature, like his face. If you just

1457
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:06,000
Speaker 3: saw his face and he's walking out, you wouldn't think anything

1458
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:08,200
Speaker 3: of it. But dude, that dude is seriously cut.

1459
01:04:08,520 --> 01:04:08,720
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1460
01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:12,480
Speaker 3: So the socks yeah yeah man. So, I mean, couldn't

1461
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:13,800
Speaker 3: have gone better for him. I don't even think he

1462
01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:17,320
Speaker 3: took a single puncher in came out completely in men condition.

1463
01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:19,560
Speaker 2: We were talking about reneered Diritt earlier, Like what's the

1464
01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:21,000
Speaker 2: place you could go? Dude, I don't know if he

1465
01:04:21,040 --> 01:04:24,560
Speaker 2: beats RoboCop. RoboCop also has phenomenal jiu jitsu. H look

1466
01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:25,880
Speaker 2: at this knockout power.

1467
01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:27,880
Speaker 1: This is what I mean. It's like, dude, if I'm

1468
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:28,280
Speaker 1: just go.

1469
01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:31,880
Speaker 2: To to a five fight those dogs fight the fucking diggity,

1470
01:04:31,960 --> 01:04:33,680
Speaker 2: I'll go to two five to face this guy.

1471
01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:36,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly. Fuck all that.

1472
01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:40,120
Speaker 2: So, uh, you know, a pretty good fun little main card.

1473
01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:41,720
Speaker 2: Before we get to the rest of the show, I

1474
01:04:41,720 --> 01:04:43,680
Speaker 2: want to talk about our friends Quervo. We love our

1475
01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:46,960
Speaker 2: friends Quervo. They're back, very very excited to have them

1476
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:49,040
Speaker 2: here back on the MK program for the year twenty

1477
01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:51,320
Speaker 2: twenty six. And folks, you guys know how it goes.

1478
01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:55,240
Speaker 2: Every moment has the potential for more with the right signal,

1479
01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:59,840
Speaker 2: more energy, more excitement, more fun. When Cuervo enters, every

1480
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:05,680
Speaker 2: moment just gets better. The blue Agave, silver tequila, tequila tequila.

1481
01:05:05,880 --> 01:05:07,800
Speaker 2: This will be a lot of fun. But you should

1482
01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:09,640
Speaker 2: just know. If you find yourself in the center of

1483
01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:12,000
Speaker 2: the dance floor, you can't help but stand up in

1484
01:05:12,080 --> 01:05:14,120
Speaker 2: high five those of you around you at the game.

1485
01:05:14,480 --> 01:05:17,560
Speaker 2: The room reacts, just excuse me, The room reacts like

1486
01:05:17,640 --> 01:05:19,959
Speaker 2: it just got the same text at the same time.

1487
01:05:20,320 --> 01:05:23,600
Speaker 2: You stop even checking the time. Suddenly small talk escalates

1488
01:05:23,880 --> 01:05:26,960
Speaker 2: to laughing so hard you can barely catch your breath.

1489
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:30,320
Speaker 2: That ladies, and gentlemen, is the Quervo effect a signal

1490
01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:34,480
Speaker 2: everybody understands, a moment that anyone can join, and a

1491
01:05:34,520 --> 01:05:37,920
Speaker 2: good time that just grows. All you have to do

1492
01:05:38,440 --> 01:05:39,560
Speaker 2: is keep it quervo.

1493
01:05:39,600 --> 01:05:40,240
Speaker 1: And of course you.

1494
01:05:40,200 --> 01:05:44,160
Speaker 2: Guys know that we've had tequila during the pregame previews

1495
01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:45,040
Speaker 2: and that will continue.

1496
01:05:45,080 --> 01:05:46,320
Speaker 1: It's our drink of choice there.

1497
01:05:46,440 --> 01:05:48,000
Speaker 2: Of course, you know at home you can do what

1498
01:05:48,040 --> 01:05:49,760
Speaker 2: you want, but we recommend querevo.

1499
01:05:50,080 --> 01:05:50,560
Speaker 1: We love it.

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01:05:50,600 --> 01:05:52,200
Speaker 2: We're glad to have them back on MK for the

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Speaker 2: year twenty twenty six and for our next pregame preview,

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Speaker 2: which I think is gonna happen the next pay per

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Speaker 2: view or pay per view. The next number of is

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Speaker 2: three twenty seven, so that's April eleventh. You know that

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Speaker 2: that week, the week of April eleventh, we'll be back

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Speaker 2: in studios in New York City drinking querrevo, getting you

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01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:10,920
Speaker 2: guys ready for the UFC numbered events. It'll be a

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01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:13,200
Speaker 2: great time. So welcome back, Quervo. Happy to have you.

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Speaker 2: Let's do it all right, very good topic number three, Chuck.

1510
01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:21,360
Speaker 2: We don't have to spend a ton of time on this.

1511
01:06:21,920 --> 01:06:23,360
Speaker 1: We can make this very very quick.

1512
01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:25,400
Speaker 2: But we got to talk about that UFC three twenty

1513
01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:29,120
Speaker 2: six preliminary card. First of all, just a really weird card. Now,

1514
01:06:29,160 --> 01:06:32,200
Speaker 2: it did end up that the second two fights on

1515
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:35,800
Speaker 2: the UFC CBS portion of the card ended up being

1516
01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:38,760
Speaker 2: the last two that we discussed, the RoboCop and Brudofaheata

1517
01:06:38,840 --> 01:06:41,400
Speaker 2: fight as well as the Michael Johnson Andrew Dover fight.

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01:06:41,480 --> 01:06:44,880
Speaker 2: Fair enough, but it started out with some bassura all

1519
01:06:44,920 --> 01:06:49,560
Speaker 2: the way up until I don't know what you would say, Chuck,

1520
01:06:49,600 --> 01:06:51,600
Speaker 2: what did you make of the fact that the two fights,

1521
01:06:51,600 --> 01:06:53,800
Speaker 2: which one was the Cody Garbrandt and shall Long fight,

1522
01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:57,440
Speaker 2: we'll talk about because that was just, I mean, a disaster.

1523
01:06:57,880 --> 01:07:00,280
Speaker 2: But the first fight was kind of dreadful, this fight

1524
01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:03,080
Speaker 2: here with Dante Johnson and Cody Brundage, and then the

1525
01:07:03,120 --> 01:07:06,640
Speaker 2: next one was just bizarre. I don't know your reaction

1526
01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:08,680
Speaker 2: to what we got there, like look at this.

1527
01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:15,200
Speaker 3: Look at this, Oh my god, man, it's just uh.

1528
01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:17,800
Speaker 3: I saw you tweeting about this, and you know, like

1529
01:07:18,320 --> 01:07:20,400
Speaker 3: you know, you talk about that first fight. It just

1530
01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:22,560
Speaker 3: looked like John's like when he moves forward, it looks

1531
01:07:22,560 --> 01:07:24,440
Speaker 3: like his hips are coming out of socket or something.

1532
01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:27,680
Speaker 1: It was the visual of that was just so bad and.

1533
01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:30,800
Speaker 2: Like the Dak Prescott warm up, Yes.

1534
01:07:30,720 --> 01:07:33,000
Speaker 3: It's like that, but like that's how he just comes forward.

1535
01:07:33,040 --> 01:07:35,440
Speaker 3: There was something really bad about that aesthetic. And then

1536
01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:39,240
Speaker 3: it just looked like neither guy really had it him

1537
01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:41,600
Speaker 3: to win that fight. It was bizarre, like it could

1538
01:07:41,600 --> 01:07:44,080
Speaker 3: have went either way, but man, it was just it

1539
01:07:44,120 --> 01:07:47,520
Speaker 3: was just not the kind of fight. I sometimes wonder strategically,

1540
01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:49,680
Speaker 3: what are they thinking when they're like, all right, we

1541
01:07:49,720 --> 01:07:51,920
Speaker 3: got CBS, do they care anymore? Like, because I felt

1542
01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:54,720
Speaker 3: like at some point, you know, even during the ABC era,

1543
01:07:54,840 --> 01:07:58,080
Speaker 3: which wasn't that long ago, as part of ESPN, there

1544
01:07:58,160 --> 01:08:00,520
Speaker 3: was some consideration it's the fight they were going to

1545
01:08:00,560 --> 01:08:04,160
Speaker 3: show on these things. But to get that fight particularly

1546
01:08:04,240 --> 01:08:08,720
Speaker 3: and to kick it off was not a great visual. Man,

1547
01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:11,200
Speaker 3: it just wasn't. And we've been going through a string

1548
01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:14,640
Speaker 3: of bad prelims and this one felt like just a

1549
01:08:14,680 --> 01:08:17,080
Speaker 3: bad move I just did. I didn't understand it. And

1550
01:08:17,120 --> 01:08:22,040
Speaker 3: then you get that second fight, man, and to see

1551
01:08:22,600 --> 01:08:25,439
Speaker 3: Creek car Brand just get like it's just you have

1552
01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:29,000
Speaker 3: the guy what's his name long, Like he's like he's

1553
01:08:29,080 --> 01:08:32,360
Speaker 3: just doing crazy shit right, Like he's making crazy gestures.

1554
01:08:32,360 --> 01:08:35,120
Speaker 3: He doesn't look stable. But then he keeps kicking Garbrand

1555
01:08:35,120 --> 01:08:37,040
Speaker 3: and the balls to the point where he's driving to it.

1556
01:08:37,080 --> 01:08:40,760
Speaker 3: But I mean this visual on TV and is just

1557
01:08:41,280 --> 01:08:44,519
Speaker 3: yes UFC on CBS, which is hilarious, just bizarre. Bo

1558
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:47,120
Speaker 3: It's been a minute since I've had a fight like that.

1559
01:08:47,280 --> 01:08:49,280
Speaker 3: Remember when I think it was Dan Low's on fought

1560
01:08:49,360 --> 01:08:51,280
Speaker 3: King green Back in Affliction. There was a ton of

1561
01:08:51,320 --> 01:08:53,680
Speaker 3: groin shots. That's what it reminded me of. Like it

1562
01:08:53,800 --> 01:08:55,840
Speaker 3: just every few seconds, eybody's like, what is going on

1563
01:08:56,000 --> 01:08:59,880
Speaker 3: and you can't figure out why the guy continues to

1564
01:08:59,920 --> 01:09:01,920
Speaker 3: go there? Like that's what it felt like.

1565
01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:05,559
Speaker 2: I mean, Herbdeen had to take two points. Garn Grant

1566
01:09:05,560 --> 01:09:08,400
Speaker 2: won it the unanimous decision twenty eight to twenty seven

1567
01:09:08,439 --> 01:09:10,720
Speaker 2: across the board. Never even heard of some shit like that.

1568
01:09:11,640 --> 01:09:16,160
Speaker 2: The fight itself, beyond that, was just a weird pairing

1569
01:09:16,200 --> 01:09:19,160
Speaker 2: to begin with. Cody looked good defensively, couldn't get much

1570
01:09:19,160 --> 01:09:22,760
Speaker 2: going offensively. You know, I don't know where he's I

1571
01:09:22,760 --> 01:09:24,519
Speaker 2: don't know what he's doing in his career at this point.

1572
01:09:24,600 --> 01:09:26,400
Speaker 3: Do there's a little bit of a cautionary every time

1573
01:09:26,439 --> 01:09:29,599
Speaker 3: he wins a fight that you're like, we don't worry

1574
01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:31,920
Speaker 3: about as much but remember he was he was getting chinny,

1575
01:09:31,920 --> 01:09:33,760
Speaker 3: and we were like worried about him a little bit,

1576
01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:36,440
Speaker 3: and so he gets wins and it kind of incentivizes,

1577
01:09:37,240 --> 01:09:39,200
Speaker 3: you know, bigger, better fights and all that sort of thing,

1578
01:09:39,280 --> 01:09:42,559
Speaker 3: and this particular fight he probably shouldn't have won. So

1579
01:09:42,640 --> 01:09:44,799
Speaker 3: it's like it's a bizarre, bizarre setting.

1580
01:09:44,800 --> 01:09:47,800
Speaker 2: Here is Cody at the postfight press conference reflecting on

1581
01:09:47,840 --> 01:09:49,000
Speaker 2: this weird ass fight.

1582
01:09:49,479 --> 01:09:52,200
Speaker 9: When they brought the bucket out, like did you think

1583
01:09:52,280 --> 01:09:52,640
Speaker 9: that was?

1584
01:09:52,720 --> 01:09:53,479
Speaker 1: That was gonna be it?

1585
01:09:53,560 --> 01:09:55,240
Speaker 9: Like that was gonna be the end of the fight, dude.

1586
01:09:55,240 --> 01:09:58,040
Speaker 11: When you got a crowd here in USA, USA, Let's

1587
01:09:58,080 --> 01:10:01,200
Speaker 11: you know, you can't you can't bitch out. You know,

1588
01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:04,760
Speaker 11: as as painful as it was, I was spinning, throwing up,

1589
01:10:06,120 --> 01:10:07,720
Speaker 11: and how much time even that was left in that

1590
01:10:07,840 --> 01:10:11,840
Speaker 11: round to say the least, but you know, I got

1591
01:10:11,880 --> 01:10:14,120
Speaker 11: to get back to my feet and you know, rally

1592
01:10:14,120 --> 01:10:17,080
Speaker 11: from the crowd and then you know, try to knock

1593
01:10:17,160 --> 01:10:22,160
Speaker 11: them out the hoy mast one didn't you know gos

1594
01:10:22,160 --> 01:10:24,040
Speaker 11: that well? But then I got hitting nuts again. I'm like,

1595
01:10:24,080 --> 01:10:26,040
Speaker 11: oh geez, dude. So it was like I was just

1596
01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:27,000
Speaker 11: trying to get my rhythm.

1597
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Speaker 5: You know.

1598
01:10:27,280 --> 01:10:29,840
Speaker 11: It was just a weird fight, you know. I mean

1599
01:10:29,880 --> 01:10:32,240
Speaker 11: my mouth was so dry, I was I didn't know

1600
01:10:32,240 --> 01:10:33,519
Speaker 11: what was going on. It was like a you know,

1601
01:10:33,560 --> 01:10:36,320
Speaker 11: highs low highs lows. But you know, being a veteran being,

1602
01:10:36,360 --> 01:10:40,080
Speaker 11: you know, experienced and fighting, you know, even a lot

1603
01:10:40,120 --> 01:10:42,240
Speaker 11: of street planes, you know, sometimes I don't go your way.

1604
01:10:42,240 --> 01:10:44,479
Speaker 11: There's you know a lot of cheating things evolved in

1605
01:10:44,520 --> 01:10:46,240
Speaker 11: the streets. So you kind of just gotta you know,

1606
01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:48,160
Speaker 11: stay calm, stay engaged. And you know, I looked over

1607
01:10:48,160 --> 01:10:49,519
Speaker 11: at my coaches there just you know, telling me to

1608
01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:52,200
Speaker 11: calm down, because after that, I was ready to just

1609
01:10:52,240 --> 01:10:53,960
Speaker 11: stand in the middle and bang, you know, but they

1610
01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:56,760
Speaker 11: they're like, hey, take the win, stay get the win,

1611
01:10:56,880 --> 01:10:59,559
Speaker 11: stay smart, you know, and we're trying to open up

1612
01:10:59,600 --> 01:11:02,120
Speaker 11: my game plan with that. So you know, experience played

1613
01:11:02,120 --> 01:11:04,240
Speaker 11: a part on Miami and also my coaches.

1614
01:11:05,479 --> 01:11:07,840
Speaker 3: M I'm surprised his voice isn't hire, you know, after

1615
01:11:07,880 --> 01:11:10,360
Speaker 3: that whole thing. You know, say it again that I'm

1616
01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:13,640
Speaker 3: surprised his voice isn't hire after no kidding there. That

1617
01:11:13,800 --> 01:11:18,360
Speaker 3: was just a ridiculously weird ass fight on that one. Also,

1618
01:11:19,120 --> 01:11:20,920
Speaker 3: you know, the weird ass fight. I mean, it ended

1619
01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:23,200
Speaker 3: up being a good finish but the Alberto Montes fight

1620
01:11:23,200 --> 01:11:26,320
Speaker 3: against Ricky Tertio's he gets some of the nice ana Conda.

1621
01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:27,960
Speaker 3: This is one of the high points from the card.

1622
01:11:27,960 --> 01:11:30,160
Speaker 2: If you ask me, he's got a great setup Montese

1623
01:11:30,200 --> 01:11:33,400
Speaker 2: does on the anaconda. Did you see Ricky Tertio stomping

1624
01:11:33,439 --> 01:11:35,320
Speaker 2: his fucking feet and yelling him?

1625
01:11:35,320 --> 01:11:35,920
Speaker 1: This was my tweet.

1626
01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:38,559
Speaker 2: Ricky Tertios yelling and stomping his feet at Montese like

1627
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:41,320
Speaker 2: he's trying to scare away a bear on a nature hike.

1628
01:11:41,439 --> 01:11:42,040
Speaker 1: It was weird.

1629
01:11:42,040 --> 01:11:44,080
Speaker 2: He was like, ah, and I was.

1630
01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:48,200
Speaker 1: Montes was like, what the fuck you're talking to?

1631
01:11:48,360 --> 01:11:48,519
Speaker 7: You know?

1632
01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:53,160
Speaker 1: Yeah? Man? What's the kid that I always saw? His name?

1633
01:11:54,080 --> 01:11:55,040
Speaker 1: Long Island? Luke told me.

1634
01:11:55,120 --> 01:11:57,880
Speaker 3: But the kid from Mongolia looked really good.

1635
01:11:58,040 --> 01:11:59,519
Speaker 1: Argle barrels.

1636
01:12:00,120 --> 01:12:02,040
Speaker 3: I still gotta I still gotta work on that one.

1637
01:12:02,040 --> 01:12:03,360
Speaker 3: But uh, he looked good.

1638
01:12:03,400 --> 01:12:03,559
Speaker 1: Man.

1639
01:12:03,640 --> 01:12:06,240
Speaker 3: He's kind of fun to watch because he's it's like

1640
01:12:06,360 --> 01:12:08,479
Speaker 3: all in the scrambles, right, Like he every time you

1641
01:12:08,479 --> 01:12:10,240
Speaker 3: get to scramble, it's like some wild thing and he

1642
01:12:10,360 --> 01:12:11,080
Speaker 3: ends up on top.

1643
01:12:11,160 --> 01:12:12,639
Speaker 1: So he was he was fun. Man.

1644
01:12:13,320 --> 01:12:15,200
Speaker 2: Uh, anything else in that car that stood out to you?

1645
01:12:15,680 --> 01:12:19,000
Speaker 1: Of delight? What about Long Island? Luke he's our he's

1646
01:12:19,040 --> 01:12:21,439
Speaker 1: our pre lim uh specialist here.

1647
01:12:21,800 --> 01:12:24,080
Speaker 2: Hudelfho Belato getting the win or Blotto.

1648
01:12:24,439 --> 01:12:26,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that ruined. That ruined a lot of people's nights.

1649
01:12:26,920 --> 01:12:28,360
Speaker 1: You know, we we were on the undefeated.

1650
01:12:28,439 --> 01:12:30,759
Speaker 4: Luke we gaff had him in a ton of parlays,

1651
01:12:30,800 --> 01:12:32,360
Speaker 4: you know, to see Bilato to get the win there,

1652
01:12:32,439 --> 01:12:35,559
Speaker 4: I mean whatever. Dr Nurga's eye also got the upset

1653
01:12:35,600 --> 01:12:37,040
Speaker 4: over the UFC debutante.

1654
01:12:37,400 --> 01:12:40,120
Speaker 2: The only he looked he looked pretty good for a

1655
01:12:40,160 --> 01:12:43,880
Speaker 2: South Paul boxer. The Kazakh guy not great, but okay.

1656
01:12:44,200 --> 01:12:47,559
Speaker 1: Summaderji Hazu's Agilar was just like hilarious to look at

1657
01:12:47,560 --> 01:12:50,880
Speaker 1: because Jesus Aguilar looked so tiny next to Sumidergy, and

1658
01:12:50,880 --> 01:12:53,120
Speaker 1: Sumidergy had a ten inch reach advantage, and it was

1659
01:12:53,160 --> 01:12:54,160
Speaker 1: just like, I.

1660
01:12:54,120 --> 01:12:57,160
Speaker 4: Feel like if Aguilar was just had some reach there,

1661
01:12:57,240 --> 01:12:59,040
Speaker 4: he might have made that a little more competitive.

1662
01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:02,360
Speaker 1: Did there are pretty bad? I'm not gonna this seems

1663
01:13:02,360 --> 01:13:03,000
Speaker 1: to be recurring.

1664
01:13:03,240 --> 01:13:06,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude' they're turning into beltre prelims, so they stright up.

1665
01:13:06,600 --> 01:13:09,240
Speaker 2: They're turning into beltore, which you know, people think that

1666
01:13:09,240 --> 01:13:12,120
Speaker 2: that's like nothing but universal condemnation, and it's not because

1667
01:13:12,160 --> 01:13:14,400
Speaker 2: even the Belitar prelims would have some gems on it,

1668
01:13:15,000 --> 01:13:17,000
Speaker 2: and you know the Beltar prelums also would just have

1669
01:13:17,240 --> 01:13:18,639
Speaker 2: you know, human sacrifice up there.

1670
01:13:18,720 --> 01:13:20,120
Speaker 1: You have lots of them, you.

1671
01:13:20,160 --> 01:13:23,320
Speaker 2: Have, but somebody, yeah, you have like guys like eighteen

1672
01:13:23,360 --> 01:13:26,120
Speaker 2: and three, some Russian dude you never heard of, versus

1673
01:13:26,240 --> 01:13:29,600
Speaker 2: diggity Donkerson getting up there and he just gets fucking waxed.

1674
01:13:29,280 --> 01:13:31,240
Speaker 1: In the local Danberry club over here.

1675
01:13:31,320 --> 01:13:34,240
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly exactly. So you're like, all right, well someone's

1676
01:13:34,240 --> 01:13:36,960
Speaker 2: gonna die. I mean, I'll watch that. But the rest

1677
01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:39,080
Speaker 2: of it is just direct. This is the problem with

1678
01:13:39,120 --> 01:13:41,599
Speaker 2: the prelim card. It's like, you know, there's some there's

1679
01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:43,840
Speaker 2: some respectable matchups in terms of like, you know, did

1680
01:13:43,880 --> 01:13:46,479
Speaker 2: you get a guy in another about that? These guys

1681
01:13:46,479 --> 01:13:49,519
Speaker 2: are competitive with one another, Sure, you got plenty of that,

1682
01:13:50,200 --> 01:13:52,320
Speaker 2: but like, what you also have are people who just

1683
01:13:52,400 --> 01:13:55,080
Speaker 2: can't do much to one another, Like they don't have

1684
01:13:55,200 --> 01:14:00,280
Speaker 2: the skill to advance and attack. And when you ass

1685
01:14:00,320 --> 01:14:02,280
Speaker 2: how like and you could say, oh, well, couldn't Charles

1686
01:14:02,800 --> 01:14:05,600
Speaker 2: not advances attack against Max, It's like okay, yeah, but

1687
01:14:06,240 --> 01:14:09,400
Speaker 2: that's a much further along stage. And that last part

1688
01:14:09,439 --> 01:14:11,240
Speaker 2: is actually quite quite the most difficult.

1689
01:14:11,320 --> 01:14:12,040
Speaker 1: You know, this is.

1690
01:14:13,680 --> 01:14:16,400
Speaker 3: Especially for like season, Like you watch a lot of

1691
01:14:16,520 --> 01:14:19,120
Speaker 3: MMA over the years, and you kind of being a

1692
01:14:19,120 --> 01:14:22,519
Speaker 3: practitioner like to an extent and understand like there used

1693
01:14:22,520 --> 01:14:27,200
Speaker 3: to be like you could point out a mistake and

1694
01:14:27,360 --> 01:14:29,040
Speaker 3: it was usually some guy would get so he'd hurt

1695
01:14:29,080 --> 01:14:31,320
Speaker 3: somebody on the feet, right, somebody's like you heard somebody

1696
01:14:31,320 --> 01:14:32,600
Speaker 3: on the feet land a couple of shots and then

1697
01:14:32,640 --> 01:14:34,719
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, rather than trying to finish the fight,

1698
01:14:34,720 --> 01:14:36,840
Speaker 3: you would see them shoot down, grab the waist or

1699
01:14:36,880 --> 01:14:38,479
Speaker 3: grab a leg and put them against the fence, and

1700
01:14:38,479 --> 01:14:40,880
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, there's this fifteen second recovery. You're like,

1701
01:14:40,920 --> 01:14:42,720
Speaker 3: what are you doing? What are you doing? You'd see

1702
01:14:42,720 --> 01:14:47,000
Speaker 3: this kind of thing a lot. It's it's that used

1703
01:14:47,040 --> 01:14:48,439
Speaker 3: to just kind of be a glaring thing, but these

1704
01:14:48,520 --> 01:14:51,880
Speaker 3: days it just feels like you get a lot of that,

1705
01:14:51,960 --> 01:14:54,080
Speaker 3: but in a lot of different ways, where just people

1706
01:14:54,160 --> 01:14:55,680
Speaker 3: you're like, wait a minute, why didn't he just you know,

1707
01:14:55,760 --> 01:14:58,360
Speaker 3: you're you're yelling out things about like why aren't you

1708
01:14:58,400 --> 01:15:00,360
Speaker 3: doing this? Or why don't you doing this? And I

1709
01:15:00,360 --> 01:15:03,519
Speaker 3: don't know if it's just guys are you know, like

1710
01:15:03,560 --> 01:15:06,360
Speaker 3: you said, maybe they don't have the full toolboxes yet.

1711
01:15:06,400 --> 01:15:08,600
Speaker 1: But there is a frustration factor.

1712
01:15:08,320 --> 01:15:11,080
Speaker 3: With that, like watching people who you're like, oh, man,

1713
01:15:11,080 --> 01:15:12,639
Speaker 3: this should have been fight. If you just did this,

1714
01:15:12,720 --> 01:15:15,760
Speaker 3: the fight's over, you know, And that's kind of going

1715
01:15:15,800 --> 01:15:16,719
Speaker 3: on a lot these days.

1716
01:15:17,200 --> 01:15:19,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of fight IQ issues. There's a

1717
01:15:19,479 --> 01:15:22,320
Speaker 2: lot of and not even necessarily just that. Like, for example,

1718
01:15:22,320 --> 01:15:25,759
Speaker 2: that Dante Johnson fight. He was he's still I think undefeated.

1719
01:15:25,800 --> 01:15:27,960
Speaker 2: He was obviously undefeated hitting any wins. But what I

1720
01:15:27,960 --> 01:15:29,080
Speaker 2: mean is like, you know, he's got a lot of

1721
01:15:29,080 --> 01:15:31,400
Speaker 2: finishes on his record, but you know, he's got less

1722
01:15:31,439 --> 01:15:33,760
Speaker 2: than ten fights. He's got less than ten fights, and

1723
01:15:33,760 --> 01:15:37,320
Speaker 2: they're putting a guy with less than ten fights on CBS, Like, dude,

1724
01:15:37,360 --> 01:15:39,559
Speaker 2: it's not surprising he can't do much, you know what

1725
01:15:39,560 --> 01:15:41,400
Speaker 2: I mean, Like, how many guys are going to be

1726
01:15:41,439 --> 01:15:43,080
Speaker 2: really well rounded after ten fights.

1727
01:15:43,160 --> 01:15:44,000
Speaker 1: Not very many.

1728
01:15:45,439 --> 01:15:47,640
Speaker 2: So, you know, partly, it's also putting some of these

1729
01:15:47,640 --> 01:15:49,519
Speaker 2: guys in positions that maybe they're not quite ready for.

1730
01:15:49,680 --> 01:15:52,080
Speaker 1: You know, it's not even a it does seem that way.

1731
01:15:52,160 --> 01:15:53,080
Speaker 1: It does seem that way.

1732
01:15:53,360 --> 01:15:55,040
Speaker 2: All right, let's talk about some of the big news

1733
01:15:55,040 --> 01:15:58,519
Speaker 2: beyond UFC three twenty six that started yesterday, or I

1734
01:15:58,520 --> 01:16:01,719
Speaker 2: should say, on Saturday night. So we've finally, finally, finally,

1735
01:16:02,160 --> 01:16:04,439
Speaker 2: we got the revelation of what was going to be

1736
01:16:04,520 --> 01:16:06,720
Speaker 2: on the UFC White House card, which, by the way,

1737
01:16:06,760 --> 01:16:11,679
Speaker 2: they're calling Hee haw UFC Freedom two fifty, UFC Freedom

1738
01:16:11,720 --> 01:16:16,800
Speaker 2: Fights two fifty, definitely the worst name imaginable for this card.

1739
01:16:16,920 --> 01:16:18,760
Speaker 2: Just call it UFC White House for Fox's sake.

1740
01:16:18,920 --> 01:16:21,439
Speaker 1: I know. All right, here's the lineup.

1741
01:16:21,720 --> 01:16:24,679
Speaker 2: Iliot Tuporia is gonna be unifying the title against just Engage.

1742
01:16:24,720 --> 01:16:27,880
Speaker 2: You orient will be unifying together obviously, Poeton moving up

1743
01:16:27,880 --> 01:16:30,080
Speaker 2: to heavyweight to take on Cyril gandas will before the

1744
01:16:30,120 --> 01:16:33,839
Speaker 2: interim UFC Heavyweight Championship. Then down the line Sean O'Malley

1745
01:16:33,920 --> 01:16:37,120
Speaker 2: versus aimons A Hobby, Marizio Hoofi taking on Michael Chandler,

1746
01:16:37,160 --> 01:16:40,280
Speaker 2: Bo Nickel versus Kyle Daukas. And then the card will open,

1747
01:16:40,400 --> 01:16:43,479
Speaker 2: or the event will open anyway with Diego Lopez versus

1748
01:16:43,600 --> 01:16:48,040
Speaker 2: Steve Garcia, and again they are called UFC Freedom to fifty.

1749
01:16:49,120 --> 01:16:52,439
Speaker 1: All right, you're not gonna do that, I mean UFC

1750
01:16:52,479 --> 01:16:55,000
Speaker 1: White House. Fine, that makes a lot of sense. UFC

1751
01:16:55,120 --> 01:16:57,000
Speaker 1: Freedom to fifty, Dude.

1752
01:16:56,840 --> 01:17:01,000
Speaker 2: That sounds like something that like, MMA, Freedom too fifty

1753
01:17:01,120 --> 01:17:03,720
Speaker 2: is something that sounds like happens in Alabama at a

1754
01:17:03,720 --> 01:17:04,360
Speaker 2: county fair.

1755
01:17:05,479 --> 01:17:06,960
Speaker 1: It totally does, doesn't it.

1756
01:17:07,120 --> 01:17:10,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, come to Wild Steve's Bail Bonds and get a

1757
01:17:10,840 --> 01:17:14,720
Speaker 2: ticket for down the lines Freedom.

1758
01:17:14,320 --> 01:17:17,839
Speaker 1: To fifty fights. You'll get corn dogs.

1759
01:17:17,960 --> 01:17:22,080
Speaker 3: And it's like, okay, Well, at least they didn't go

1760
01:17:22,840 --> 01:17:25,320
Speaker 3: They didn't go with the the eightieth birthday.

1761
01:17:25,360 --> 01:17:27,040
Speaker 1: I think at least that didn't make its way into

1762
01:17:27,040 --> 01:17:27,879
Speaker 1: the theme come.

1763
01:17:27,720 --> 01:17:29,920
Speaker 2: To Trump's Birthday, which was also is all right, But

1764
01:17:29,960 --> 01:17:32,599
Speaker 2: putting that aside for just a second, let's talk about

1765
01:17:32,600 --> 01:17:34,600
Speaker 2: this simple question for you.

1766
01:17:35,680 --> 01:17:38,559
Speaker 1: Does this card live up to the hype? Charles? What

1767
01:17:38,560 --> 01:17:40,680
Speaker 1: do you think it does not?

1768
01:17:41,200 --> 01:17:43,880
Speaker 3: And I'll tell you because you could the first six

1769
01:17:43,920 --> 01:17:46,080
Speaker 3: fights that you mentioned on that if you go down

1770
01:17:46,120 --> 01:17:48,799
Speaker 3: that list, all feel like you're getting. You just mentioned

1771
01:17:48,800 --> 01:17:52,559
Speaker 3: this about boxing. You want fighter X versus Y, You're

1772
01:17:52,560 --> 01:17:55,040
Speaker 3: getting X versus Z, right like? And I feel like

1773
01:17:55,200 --> 01:17:58,080
Speaker 3: this is what happened with this card is all the

1774
01:17:58,120 --> 01:18:00,280
Speaker 3: potential matchups and a lot of the you know, a

1775
01:18:00,280 --> 01:18:03,439
Speaker 3: lot of the conversations that were being had about even

1776
01:18:03,479 --> 01:18:05,240
Speaker 3: even if they weren't going to end up on this card,

1777
01:18:05,280 --> 01:18:08,240
Speaker 3: that you wanted to see this fighter versus this fighter

1778
01:18:09,200 --> 01:18:11,360
Speaker 3: didn't happen. I mean, you could go down that card

1779
01:18:12,080 --> 01:18:14,519
Speaker 3: and you know, justin Gaechee, that's a fight you got

1780
01:18:14,560 --> 01:18:16,160
Speaker 3: to kind of do that one, right because justin get

1781
01:18:16,280 --> 01:18:19,840
Speaker 3: you you've already made the error of giving him the

1782
01:18:19,880 --> 01:18:22,679
Speaker 3: interim title fight. He wins that this is the natural

1783
01:18:22,880 --> 01:18:24,680
Speaker 3: thing you've got to do. But I think if you

1784
01:18:24,760 --> 01:18:28,920
Speaker 3: looked at you know, the hardcore basic like where's where's Arman? Why,

1785
01:18:29,000 --> 01:18:30,760
Speaker 3: you know this is the fight that would actually make

1786
01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:33,320
Speaker 3: the most sense in the entire in terms of that

1787
01:18:33,320 --> 01:18:33,760
Speaker 3: sort of thing.

1788
01:18:33,960 --> 01:18:34,400
Speaker 1: You get.

1789
01:18:34,680 --> 01:18:37,000
Speaker 3: There's no John Jones on the card. This was the

1790
01:18:37,040 --> 01:18:39,679
Speaker 3: speculation for a long time, and you're thinking Alex Pereira,

1791
01:18:39,800 --> 01:18:42,479
Speaker 3: he's moving up, that's probably going to be the fight.

1792
01:18:43,240 --> 01:18:44,040
Speaker 1: That's not the fight.

1793
01:18:44,080 --> 01:18:46,280
Speaker 3: You're getting Cyril Gonn, who seems to be just the

1794
01:18:46,360 --> 01:18:49,160
Speaker 3: ultimate band aid for the UFC, who they plug into

1795
01:18:49,439 --> 01:18:52,960
Speaker 3: every major fight that we don't get with the heavyweight division.

1796
01:18:53,000 --> 01:18:55,840
Speaker 1: They plugged Cyril gone into that, so you get him.

1797
01:18:55,840 --> 01:18:58,200
Speaker 3: You know, Michael Chandler was going to be fighting Connor McGregor.

1798
01:18:58,400 --> 01:19:01,320
Speaker 3: Obviously Michael Chandler, Connor's there, He's probably fighting a couple

1799
01:19:01,360 --> 01:19:03,479
Speaker 3: weeks later, but you got Michael Chandler on the card

1800
01:19:04,240 --> 01:19:07,240
Speaker 3: against Hoofy, which is just kind of at a left

1801
01:19:07,280 --> 01:19:10,599
Speaker 3: field in my mind and actually a really sad sort

1802
01:19:10,600 --> 01:19:13,599
Speaker 3: of you know event, Like, yeah, that seems like a sad,

1803
01:19:14,479 --> 01:19:16,760
Speaker 3: you know, fight to contemplate. I don't know if that

1804
01:19:16,840 --> 01:19:19,480
Speaker 3: ends well for Chandler and it kind of goes down O'Malley.

1805
01:19:19,600 --> 01:19:21,840
Speaker 3: I was you're thinking, maybe he's going right back to

1806
01:19:21,920 --> 01:19:24,599
Speaker 3: fight Peter Yan. He's not fighting him. It just every

1807
01:19:24,640 --> 01:19:26,639
Speaker 3: one of those cards feels like we got a little

1808
01:19:26,640 --> 01:19:30,920
Speaker 3: bit something different than, you know, what would have been optimal,

1809
01:19:31,240 --> 01:19:34,000
Speaker 3: and in that situation, yeah, it's a little bit of

1810
01:19:34,040 --> 01:19:37,080
Speaker 3: a letdown, but just not having like I saw people

1811
01:19:37,120 --> 01:19:40,160
Speaker 3: basically saying like this is basically a very good numbered

1812
01:19:40,160 --> 01:19:42,320
Speaker 3: card or like a pay per view, but.

1813
01:19:42,360 --> 01:19:42,960
Speaker 1: It wouldn't be.

1814
01:19:43,080 --> 01:19:45,639
Speaker 3: It doesn't kind of fit that mold of what you've

1815
01:19:45,680 --> 01:19:47,479
Speaker 3: been building up for all these months, which is this

1816
01:19:47,720 --> 01:19:49,720
Speaker 3: historic card, the best, you know, the best card in

1817
01:19:49,840 --> 01:19:52,320
Speaker 3: history and all this stuff. I think it falls well

1818
01:19:52,360 --> 01:19:53,680
Speaker 3: short of that. Man, what about you?

1819
01:19:55,360 --> 01:19:58,000
Speaker 2: This is the ultimate I asked for stake. They brought

1820
01:19:58,000 --> 01:20:01,679
Speaker 2: me Jello, right, you know, just fight Jello, I guess

1821
01:20:02,080 --> 01:20:05,519
Speaker 2: I mean, let's be clear about this. The main event,

1822
01:20:05,720 --> 01:20:10,840
Speaker 2: I don't if you're asking me, is Ilio Taporia versus

1823
01:20:10,960 --> 01:20:13,000
Speaker 2: Justin Gaichee? Is that going to be a fun fight

1824
01:20:13,040 --> 01:20:15,120
Speaker 2: for as long as it lasts. I'd be shocked if

1825
01:20:15,120 --> 01:20:17,559
Speaker 2: it wasn't, Chuck, Right, So I don't, And you unifying

1826
01:20:17,560 --> 01:20:21,720
Speaker 2: the title, so there's some cleanliness of the whole thing. Fine,

1827
01:20:21,760 --> 01:20:23,559
Speaker 2: Like it is not the one that I wanted, but

1828
01:20:23,880 --> 01:20:26,519
Speaker 2: I recognize there's some value there. To me, the most

1829
01:20:26,520 --> 01:20:29,160
Speaker 2: intriguing fight on the whole card, by a million miles

1830
01:20:29,240 --> 01:20:32,680
Speaker 2: is the co main event, Poeton going up to heavyweight.

1831
01:20:32,760 --> 01:20:35,000
Speaker 2: Yes it's for an interim title. Yes it's against Cyril Gone,

1832
01:20:35,000 --> 01:20:37,679
Speaker 2: but honestly, Chuck, if you think about it, Poton versus Gone,

1833
01:20:37,680 --> 01:20:40,879
Speaker 2: that's a fun ass fight. It is, like, there's plenty

1834
01:20:40,880 --> 01:20:42,800
Speaker 2: of reason to think that that fight is going to

1835
01:20:42,840 --> 01:20:45,280
Speaker 2: be a really, really good time. And of course there's

1836
01:20:45,360 --> 01:20:47,880
Speaker 2: history on the line with Poeton as well. Also just

1837
01:20:48,040 --> 01:20:50,800
Speaker 2: should go to show. Like you know, Islam, you could

1838
01:20:50,800 --> 01:20:52,880
Speaker 2: put in this conversation he's not on this card, but

1839
01:20:53,640 --> 01:20:59,640
Speaker 2: Ilio Taporia, Islam, Makachev, Alex Pereira, these are the saviors

1840
01:20:59,640 --> 01:21:02,640
Speaker 2: of the U. Like these are the guys at the

1841
01:21:02,720 --> 01:21:05,360
Speaker 2: UFC calls when they need to make sure that they've

1842
01:21:05,400 --> 01:21:09,120
Speaker 2: got some reliable, fucking quality on their card. And so

1843
01:21:09,680 --> 01:21:11,800
Speaker 2: for me, while I the main event is not what

1844
01:21:11,840 --> 01:21:13,880
Speaker 2: I would prefer, I recognize it'll be a lot of

1845
01:21:13,880 --> 01:21:17,360
Speaker 2: fun and I actually legitimately do like that co main event.

1846
01:21:17,400 --> 01:21:19,720
Speaker 2: But I think everything after that, I think people are

1847
01:21:19,760 --> 01:21:22,240
Speaker 2: alying to themselves if they say that it's good. First

1848
01:21:22,280 --> 01:21:26,160
Speaker 2: of all, Corey Sandhagen was campaigning to get the Sean

1849
01:21:26,200 --> 01:21:28,920
Speaker 2: O'Malley fight. You telling me that the i'mands of Hobby

1850
01:21:28,920 --> 01:21:32,120
Speaker 2: fight versus Sean O'Malley is has the same kind of

1851
01:21:32,240 --> 01:21:36,679
Speaker 2: sizzle and excitement as this one. Like, no, if i'monds

1852
01:21:36,680 --> 01:21:38,360
Speaker 2: a Hobby has put himself in a position to get

1853
01:21:38,360 --> 01:21:40,599
Speaker 2: a good fight, and I don't deny that, but it

1854
01:21:40,680 --> 01:21:43,519
Speaker 2: does not have the same level of appeal.

1855
01:21:43,960 --> 01:21:46,280
Speaker 1: Bro, they're gonna straight up ex Chandler.

1856
01:21:46,680 --> 01:21:49,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's only six fights on there. You know, It's like,

1857
01:21:49,320 --> 01:21:53,000
Speaker 3: like you think they'd be able to put together. There's

1858
01:21:53,000 --> 01:21:55,200
Speaker 3: something a couple of those that aren't left field. That

1859
01:21:55,240 --> 01:21:57,000
Speaker 3: one felt so left field to me. Same with the

1860
01:21:57,040 --> 01:22:00,400
Speaker 3: Diego Lopez one. But anyway, yes, you're going ahead I want.

1861
01:22:00,240 --> 01:22:02,960
Speaker 4: To just Devil's Devil's advocate. Guys, I feel like this

1862
01:22:03,080 --> 01:22:07,080
Speaker 4: card isn't that bad. Like being realistic for a second, Sure,

1863
01:22:07,320 --> 01:22:09,920
Speaker 4: are there better fights? Yeah, Ilia versus Islam would have

1864
01:22:09,920 --> 01:22:12,160
Speaker 4: been a better fight. Yeah, Poeton versus John would have

1865
01:22:12,200 --> 01:22:13,800
Speaker 4: been a better Ilia versus arm and would have been

1866
01:22:13,840 --> 01:22:16,880
Speaker 4: a better fight too. Sure, but that wouldn't have probably

1867
01:22:16,880 --> 01:22:19,960
Speaker 4: been the main event. Just being realistic at the same time, like,

1868
01:22:20,040 --> 01:22:22,280
Speaker 4: you had an interim champion at lightweight, and you have

1869
01:22:22,320 --> 01:22:25,200
Speaker 4: the undisputed champion atlweight. That is the inevitable next fight.

1870
01:22:25,200 --> 01:22:26,799
Speaker 4: As much as none of us want to see, it's

1871
01:22:26,920 --> 01:22:30,080
Speaker 4: that makes the most sense. Then you got Poeton moving up.

1872
01:22:30,760 --> 01:22:33,120
Speaker 4: The champion can't go he just had eye surgery, so

1873
01:22:33,200 --> 01:22:34,519
Speaker 4: you get the next guy who just.

1874
01:22:34,960 --> 01:22:36,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not complaining about that one.

1875
01:22:36,600 --> 01:22:39,840
Speaker 4: That one, I like, that makes perfect sense. O'Malley sure

1876
01:22:39,920 --> 01:22:42,000
Speaker 4: should have been either Yon or should have been Cory.

1877
01:22:42,160 --> 01:22:44,240
Speaker 4: The Cory is just I don't know what the fuck

1878
01:22:44,360 --> 01:22:47,080
Speaker 4: they were thinking there, but at the time it's still

1879
01:22:47,080 --> 01:22:48,000
Speaker 4: a top ten matchup.

1880
01:22:48,120 --> 01:22:50,200
Speaker 1: You can't really bitch about it, Yeah, I mean you

1881
01:22:50,240 --> 01:22:52,759
Speaker 1: definitely can. You definitely can bitch about you.

1882
01:22:52,760 --> 01:22:55,400
Speaker 2: You can't come here on Monday, Long Island and be like, oh,

1883
01:22:55,560 --> 01:22:57,639
Speaker 2: if people aren't fighting in a certain way, the BMF

1884
01:22:57,680 --> 01:22:59,519
Speaker 2: belt is a problem, and then be like, oh, this

1885
01:22:59,600 --> 01:23:00,120
Speaker 2: is a rank.

1886
01:23:00,120 --> 01:23:00,200
Speaker 7: No.

1887
01:23:01,800 --> 01:23:04,080
Speaker 4: We can My argument isn't that people are fighting a

1888
01:23:04,080 --> 01:23:05,920
Speaker 4: certain way the BMF is a problem. My argument is

1889
01:23:05,960 --> 01:23:08,280
Speaker 4: the BMF was stupid to begin with because we're putting

1890
01:23:08,320 --> 01:23:11,519
Speaker 4: these expectations on it, like people being like, well, that

1891
01:23:11,560 --> 01:23:12,519
Speaker 4: wasn't a BMF fight.

1892
01:23:12,760 --> 01:23:14,599
Speaker 1: That's why it's a stupid fucking thing to begin with.

1893
01:23:15,000 --> 01:23:17,240
Speaker 4: My point with the White House card is all fucking

1894
01:23:17,280 --> 01:23:19,800
Speaker 4: six of these besides maybe bon Nicol Kyle Dawkas, I'll

1895
01:23:19,800 --> 01:23:22,439
Speaker 4: give him that all six of these could headline a

1896
01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:25,080
Speaker 4: UFC card and no one would really batany whether it's

1897
01:23:25,120 --> 01:23:26,679
Speaker 4: APEX fight Night on the Road.

1898
01:23:27,200 --> 01:23:29,200
Speaker 1: Obviously, not all of them could headline a paper view

1899
01:23:29,200 --> 01:23:30,640
Speaker 1: because they're not title fights. But you know what, but

1900
01:23:30,720 --> 01:23:32,639
Speaker 1: that's an indictment of the UFC product.

1901
01:23:33,040 --> 01:23:36,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't like O'Malley's a hobby. Is just random

1902
01:23:36,640 --> 01:23:38,280
Speaker 4: as fuck. But like, you know, you can't tell me

1903
01:23:38,360 --> 01:23:42,080
Speaker 4: who feversus Chandler. Isn't it gonna be like fun until

1904
01:23:42,160 --> 01:23:44,479
Speaker 4: Chandler gets murked in the second round or something.

1905
01:23:44,680 --> 01:23:45,360
Speaker 1: Which is fine.

1906
01:23:45,439 --> 01:23:47,360
Speaker 2: I mean there's you know, watching a guy You're gonna

1907
01:23:47,360 --> 01:23:48,479
Speaker 2: watch the t Rex feed.

1908
01:23:48,640 --> 01:23:51,720
Speaker 4: Okay, then Steve Garcia Diego Lopez that I'm calling right now,

1909
01:23:51,760 --> 01:23:52,680
Speaker 4: that'll be fight of the night.

1910
01:23:52,760 --> 01:23:54,400
Speaker 2: Like it's not that I look at these And by

1911
01:23:54,439 --> 01:23:56,400
Speaker 2: the way, I like Kyle Dawkers. Kyle Dawkas got bounced

1912
01:23:56,400 --> 01:23:58,760
Speaker 2: to the organization, came back in his un and night.

1913
01:23:58,880 --> 01:24:01,000
Speaker 2: He's earned himself a good oppertunity. And same with Diamonds.

1914
01:24:01,040 --> 01:24:01,320
Speaker 1: A hobby.

1915
01:24:01,360 --> 01:24:03,800
Speaker 2: I'mans a hobby has put together enough wins. Yeah, where

1916
01:24:03,800 --> 01:24:05,840
Speaker 2: he's earning himself a lot of opportunity. But like, one

1917
01:24:05,840 --> 01:24:10,000
Speaker 2: more time, who was asking for those matchups? That's what

1918
01:24:10,040 --> 01:24:12,200
Speaker 2: I want everyone to understand there is what the fan

1919
01:24:12,280 --> 01:24:16,760
Speaker 2: base organically decides is important to them. Sometimes that dovetails

1920
01:24:16,760 --> 01:24:19,000
Speaker 2: within the architecture itself. What I mean by that is

1921
01:24:19,280 --> 01:24:22,280
Speaker 2: rankings or title shots, right, So sometimes it matches that

1922
01:24:22,320 --> 01:24:25,000
Speaker 2: sometimes it doesn't. But like, put the matchups one more

1923
01:24:25,000 --> 01:24:27,680
Speaker 2: time on the screen, Long Island, so again first one,

1924
01:24:27,720 --> 01:24:30,280
Speaker 2: you're right again, I don't have I honestly, I'm not

1925
01:24:30,320 --> 01:24:32,479
Speaker 2: complaining about the main and comain. I'm really not like

1926
01:24:32,920 --> 01:24:34,680
Speaker 2: the main I think should be a different one. But

1927
01:24:34,920 --> 01:24:36,719
Speaker 2: I will take it, and certainly I think the Comain

1928
01:24:36,760 --> 01:24:39,599
Speaker 2: event to me is by far the most interesting one

1929
01:24:39,920 --> 01:24:40,920
Speaker 2: on the entire card.

1930
01:24:41,240 --> 01:24:44,160
Speaker 1: Not a single one of those was requested by anybody else.

1931
01:24:44,439 --> 01:24:46,000
Speaker 1: You're right, nothing nothing.

1932
01:24:46,439 --> 01:24:49,519
Speaker 2: No one was filling up the fucking message boards saying

1933
01:24:49,560 --> 01:24:52,960
Speaker 2: O'Malley's a hobby. No one was saying hoofy Chandler, no

1934
01:24:53,000 --> 01:24:56,320
Speaker 2: one was saying Nickel Daukas, and no one, absolutely no

1935
01:24:56,400 --> 01:24:59,920
Speaker 2: one was saying Lopez Garcia. And that is my fucking point.

1936
01:25:00,479 --> 01:25:02,640
Speaker 2: People will just get a card and now they're just

1937
01:25:02,680 --> 01:25:06,440
Speaker 2: gonna say, well, it makes sense for these other reasons, fans,

1938
01:25:07,040 --> 01:25:08,880
Speaker 2: does it make sense for you?

1939
01:25:09,560 --> 01:25:12,719
Speaker 1: That's what I'm asking. That is the big difference. Gamon's

1940
01:25:12,720 --> 01:25:17,599
Speaker 1: hobby was calling for the O'Malley. They're like Jello out

1941
01:25:17,600 --> 01:25:22,639
Speaker 1: there on Long Island, Chuck. We have the finest steakhouses here.

1942
01:25:22,680 --> 01:25:25,960
Speaker 1: This is New York, baby, I know, man, But that's

1943
01:25:26,040 --> 01:25:28,560
Speaker 1: that's just it. The random nature of some of that matchmaking.

1944
01:25:29,040 --> 01:25:31,439
Speaker 3: It seems so arbitrary, Like for the for a White

1945
01:25:31,439 --> 01:25:34,320
Speaker 3: House card, where there's so many possibilities, that seemed a

1946
01:25:34,360 --> 01:25:35,040
Speaker 3: little bit weird.

1947
01:25:35,080 --> 01:25:35,880
Speaker 1: It seemed off to me.

1948
01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:37,800
Speaker 2: All Right, let's talk about the elephant in the room.

1949
01:25:37,920 --> 01:25:41,679
Speaker 2: John Jones did not make the cut on this one,

1950
01:25:41,680 --> 01:25:44,280
Speaker 2: and it was kind of some weird speculation of Dana White.

1951
01:25:44,760 --> 01:25:47,479
Speaker 2: Dana White says, uh, you know what, let's actually let's

1952
01:25:47,479 --> 01:25:50,160
Speaker 2: hear from Dana, because Dana says that, hey, I'll just

1953
01:25:50,200 --> 01:25:51,920
Speaker 2: talk about John Jones being on the card.

1954
01:25:52,479 --> 01:25:54,800
Speaker 1: Not true. Let's react to what Dana has to say.

1955
01:25:55,040 --> 01:25:56,760
Speaker 1: You don't want to say what fight fell out, which

1956
01:25:56,760 --> 01:25:57,639
Speaker 1: is fair enough, but there.

1957
01:25:57,520 --> 01:26:01,120
Speaker 6: Is obviously, well those weird circumstances around it that we

1958
01:26:01,240 --> 01:26:02,479
Speaker 6: probably shouldn't talk about.

1959
01:26:02,600 --> 01:26:05,519
Speaker 1: Okay, there is speculation, of course that it's John Jones. No,

1960
01:26:05,600 --> 01:26:06,799
Speaker 1: it's not John.

1961
01:26:06,720 --> 01:26:10,200
Speaker 6: Ever, ever, ever, which I told you guys one hundred

1962
01:26:10,240 --> 01:26:14,679
Speaker 6: thousand times. Was John Jones even remotely in my mind

1963
01:26:14,680 --> 01:26:17,200
Speaker 6: to fight at the White House? I went, first of all,

1964
01:26:18,080 --> 01:26:21,920
Speaker 6: I've told you why he wouldn't. I wouldn't do it.

1965
01:26:22,280 --> 01:26:26,880
Speaker 6: And number two, some guy with you know, metaglasses on

1966
01:26:27,960 --> 01:26:30,080
Speaker 6: filmed him talking about his hips, that his hips are

1967
01:26:30,080 --> 01:26:31,519
Speaker 6: so bad. And I don't know if you guys saw

1968
01:26:31,520 --> 01:26:35,160
Speaker 6: that flag football game where he can barely run John Jones,

1969
01:26:35,840 --> 01:26:38,320
Speaker 6: is he retired because of his hips. He's got arthritis

1970
01:26:38,320 --> 01:26:43,000
Speaker 6: and his hips apparently he's been you know, doctor said

1971
01:26:43,280 --> 01:26:46,439
Speaker 6: he should have hip replacement. So okay for that that

1972
01:26:46,600 --> 01:26:50,240
Speaker 6: on top of all the other reasons that I wouldn't

1973
01:26:50,240 --> 01:26:52,920
Speaker 6: But John Jones thing is bullshit. I'm not saying they

1974
01:26:52,960 --> 01:26:55,160
Speaker 6: weren't talking to John Jones and that John Jones wasn't

1975
01:26:55,160 --> 01:26:58,320
Speaker 6: interested in the fight. And what was even crazier is

1976
01:26:58,400 --> 01:27:01,480
Speaker 6: John Jones came out and was like, I'm in negotiations

1977
01:27:01,560 --> 01:27:03,720
Speaker 6: right now for the White House fight after and I

1978
01:27:03,880 --> 01:27:06,719
Speaker 6: had already sent a text to his lawyer saying never

1979
01:27:06,800 --> 01:27:07,439
Speaker 6: gonna happen.

1980
01:27:07,479 --> 01:27:11,519
Speaker 8: Ever, is it fair to say that John Jones is

1981
01:27:11,600 --> 01:27:13,559
Speaker 8: retired and this is the end of his time?

1982
01:27:13,800 --> 01:27:19,639
Speaker 3: Yes, okay, your reaction, Chuck, Well, I mean unfairly good authority.

1983
01:27:19,680 --> 01:27:23,920
Speaker 3: I know that they were at least negotiating, right, like we.

1984
01:27:24,200 --> 01:27:26,200
Speaker 2: Both we both know Ariel you still work with him.

1985
01:27:26,520 --> 01:27:29,120
Speaker 2: When Ariel said you, Chuck, this is the thing, I

1986
01:27:29,160 --> 01:27:30,599
Speaker 2: was like, you know, some people love Ariels and people

1987
01:27:30,640 --> 01:27:32,880
Speaker 2: don't forget it. If he is out there in the

1988
01:27:32,880 --> 01:27:36,080
Speaker 2: media saying it's what he's hearing, I am telling you

1989
01:27:36,200 --> 01:27:36,880
Speaker 2: he is hearing it.

1990
01:27:36,800 --> 01:27:38,679
Speaker 1: From his authoritative source. Yeah.

1991
01:27:38,760 --> 01:27:41,720
Speaker 3: So, I mean, just knowing that you have to take

1992
01:27:41,760 --> 01:27:43,360
Speaker 3: with the grain of salt with Dana saying right like

1993
01:27:43,400 --> 01:27:45,519
Speaker 3: you're saying that Dana is saying something else. I don't

1994
01:27:45,520 --> 01:27:48,000
Speaker 3: know why he's kind of taking the stack. I do

1995
01:27:48,080 --> 01:27:50,360
Speaker 3: think that it's such a It was a glaring omission

1996
01:27:50,400 --> 01:27:54,240
Speaker 3: in my mind. You know, you have a guy who

1997
01:27:54,439 --> 01:27:57,240
Speaker 3: and I know I've heard about this arthritic hip and

1998
01:27:57,280 --> 01:27:59,920
Speaker 3: everything that's going on, but John Jones was actively lobby

1999
01:28:00,080 --> 01:28:02,000
Speaker 3: and I mean to the point where it's almost unbecoming, right,

2000
01:28:02,000 --> 01:28:04,680
Speaker 3: like where he's kind of almost begging on these platforms

2001
01:28:04,920 --> 01:28:08,439
Speaker 3: Dana forget, like let me be on the show. And uh,

2002
01:28:09,320 --> 01:28:10,920
Speaker 3: I think there was a there was a like when

2003
01:28:10,920 --> 01:28:13,400
Speaker 3: you're mentioning the fans kind of want if you're gonna

2004
01:28:13,479 --> 01:28:15,439
Speaker 3: if you're gonna have a splash. As much you could

2005
01:28:15,479 --> 01:28:17,120
Speaker 3: hate John Jones at this point, you can love them

2006
01:28:17,160 --> 01:28:19,720
Speaker 3: whatever the case is. He's still John Jones. Putting him

2007
01:28:19,760 --> 01:28:21,720
Speaker 3: on this card felt like a no brainer to me.

2008
01:28:23,800 --> 01:28:25,680
Speaker 3: The fact that they didn't get it and then to

2009
01:28:25,760 --> 01:28:28,519
Speaker 3: have that reaction, uh it again, it just seems out

2010
01:28:28,520 --> 01:28:29,879
Speaker 3: of lockstep with the perception.

2011
01:28:29,960 --> 01:28:31,360
Speaker 1: It's just the old UFC.

2012
01:28:31,479 --> 01:28:33,519
Speaker 3: I don't feel like really operated this way, you know,

2013
01:28:33,520 --> 01:28:37,200
Speaker 3: And I'm talking about the Fertig to run UFC. It

2014
01:28:37,240 --> 01:28:39,519
Speaker 3: felt like what the fans kind of wanted is what

2015
01:28:39,560 --> 01:28:42,760
Speaker 3: they really zeroed in on, and these days, I I'm

2016
01:28:42,760 --> 01:28:45,040
Speaker 3: not sure, like you just kind of laid it out.

2017
01:28:45,080 --> 01:28:47,680
Speaker 3: I'm not sure that they really take that into consideration.

2018
01:28:47,880 --> 01:28:51,360
Speaker 3: And the whole John Jones thing, it's being handled very

2019
01:28:51,400 --> 01:28:53,559
Speaker 3: strangely now. And I don't know you we probably have

2020
01:28:54,000 --> 01:28:55,639
Speaker 3: clips or I don't know, but you've probably at least

2021
01:28:55,680 --> 01:28:59,080
Speaker 3: seen some of John Jones's now deleted tweets and all

2022
01:28:59,080 --> 01:29:02,000
Speaker 3: that stuff. It just it's such a weird thing, you know,

2023
01:29:02,160 --> 01:29:05,080
Speaker 3: for a card that you you know there's going to

2024
01:29:05,120 --> 01:29:08,200
Speaker 3: be disappointment of it doesn't meet the standards of excellence

2025
01:29:08,200 --> 01:29:09,599
Speaker 3: that you said it was going to do, and then

2026
01:29:09,640 --> 01:29:12,240
Speaker 3: to go into this with John Jones a very strange look, man.

2027
01:29:12,560 --> 01:29:17,840
Speaker 2: Dude, I'll say this, like, you know, John Jones being

2028
01:29:17,880 --> 01:29:20,599
Speaker 2: upset that the sport didn't do him one last favor

2029
01:29:21,160 --> 01:29:23,160
Speaker 2: to me is extremely funny.

2030
01:29:23,240 --> 01:29:24,920
Speaker 1: And I agree with this.

2031
01:29:25,280 --> 01:29:28,720
Speaker 2: You know, It's like it's like, buddy, you know, you

2032
01:29:28,840 --> 01:29:31,439
Speaker 2: you've had nine lives in this sport and you know

2033
01:29:31,720 --> 01:29:33,439
Speaker 2: the fact that you are even consideration for.

2034
01:29:33,400 --> 01:29:36,639
Speaker 3: This, Yeah, he's uh, he leads the league in entitlement.

2035
01:29:36,680 --> 01:29:38,439
Speaker 3: I will say that he's always insane.

2036
01:29:38,479 --> 01:29:41,960
Speaker 2: It's completely insane. It's completely insane. However, I will say

2037
01:29:41,960 --> 01:29:43,960
Speaker 2: this in his defense. The one thing I can say

2038
01:29:44,000 --> 01:29:47,280
Speaker 2: for John is that when he makes an argument about

2039
01:29:47,280 --> 01:29:49,599
Speaker 2: what he's entitled to for money, I don't know about

2040
01:29:49,640 --> 01:29:51,400
Speaker 2: like in every case, but for the most of the

2041
01:29:51,400 --> 01:29:55,360
Speaker 2: public advocacy, he's done for himself. Remember wanting Deontay Wilder

2042
01:29:55,400 --> 01:29:56,400
Speaker 2: money for example.

2043
01:29:57,560 --> 01:29:58,920
Speaker 1: He's been right, He's been right.

2044
01:29:59,040 --> 01:30:01,960
Speaker 2: John has been, if anything, underpaid in his career, and

2045
01:30:02,000 --> 01:30:05,559
Speaker 2: I recognize that. And so I don't know what ultimately

2046
01:30:05,680 --> 01:30:07,920
Speaker 2: was the stumbling block. Ariel had reported that it was

2047
01:30:07,960 --> 01:30:10,639
Speaker 2: not the thirty million figure from before John wasn't necessarily

2048
01:30:10,680 --> 01:30:12,840
Speaker 2: asking for that, but that they couldn't get to the

2049
01:30:12,840 --> 01:30:15,960
Speaker 2: figure he was arguing. And I just want to be

2050
01:30:16,000 --> 01:30:17,640
Speaker 2: clear about something. This is part of the reason why

2051
01:30:17,680 --> 01:30:19,439
Speaker 2: these fights just kind of blow my mind a little bit.

2052
01:30:20,439 --> 01:30:23,920
Speaker 2: Everyone needs to wrap their head around and never forget

2053
01:30:23,960 --> 01:30:28,439
Speaker 2: that there monetarily is not a single fight you can

2054
01:30:28,520 --> 01:30:31,560
Speaker 2: think of that is out of reach for this organization.

2055
01:30:32,360 --> 01:30:35,840
Speaker 2: They can afford all of it, any of it. It

2056
01:30:35,880 --> 01:30:39,400
Speaker 2: doesn't matter. There's no price tag that they can't meet.

2057
01:30:39,439 --> 01:30:41,200
Speaker 2: Now I'm not saying that they should meet every price

2058
01:30:41,200 --> 01:30:42,880
Speaker 2: tag that's hung out in front of them. Of course

2059
01:30:43,240 --> 01:30:46,960
Speaker 2: that'd be silly. But within the constraints, Chuck of how

2060
01:30:46,960 --> 01:30:49,519
Speaker 2: the market tends to work, even at the high end

2061
01:30:49,600 --> 01:30:54,679
Speaker 2: of this, there is nothing that financially this organization cannot afford,

2062
01:30:55,120 --> 01:30:59,080
Speaker 2: literally nothing. And when these fights show up, and in

2063
01:30:59,200 --> 01:31:02,240
Speaker 2: some of these names you see it's like dude and

2064
01:31:02,320 --> 01:31:05,240
Speaker 2: Long Island. This is my problem. Are some of these

2065
01:31:05,240 --> 01:31:07,120
Speaker 2: fights going to be fun? Hell, maybe all of these

2066
01:31:07,120 --> 01:31:09,000
Speaker 2: fights are fun. Maybe when this night is over, you're like, dude,

2067
01:31:09,000 --> 01:31:11,800
Speaker 2: that was that was that delivered the excitement that I wanted.

2068
01:31:11,800 --> 01:31:13,759
Speaker 2: Maybe not the star power or whatever, but the excitement

2069
01:31:13,760 --> 01:31:17,800
Speaker 2: that delivered. But the reality is also, you cannot look

2070
01:31:17,800 --> 01:31:21,240
Speaker 2: at a card like this and say, well, they rolled

2071
01:31:21,240 --> 01:31:24,719
Speaker 2: out the big dollars, didn't they They clearly fucking didn't.

2072
01:31:24,960 --> 01:31:27,519
Speaker 4: I agree with you, And yeah, obviously these are not

2073
01:31:27,520 --> 01:31:29,400
Speaker 4: the best matchups they can make, And to that point,

2074
01:31:29,520 --> 01:31:32,080
Speaker 4: you are correct. My argument was just I think everyone

2075
01:31:32,160 --> 01:31:35,120
Speaker 4: was expecting like the best card ever, and I'm just saying,

2076
01:31:35,360 --> 01:31:37,040
Speaker 4: if you take that away and you put like no

2077
01:31:37,160 --> 01:31:39,519
Speaker 4: expectation on it, it's it's a pretty damn good pay

2078
01:31:39,520 --> 01:31:39,880
Speaker 4: per view.

2079
01:31:39,880 --> 01:31:41,280
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to it. Yeah.

2080
01:31:41,320 --> 01:31:43,479
Speaker 3: Unfortunately they put a big expectation on it though, I

2081
01:31:43,520 --> 01:31:45,559
Speaker 3: mean they were like, true, true.

2082
01:31:45,400 --> 01:31:48,439
Speaker 2: I mean it is the United States was hyping it off,

2083
01:31:48,479 --> 01:31:51,040
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And also also I'll see

2084
01:31:51,040 --> 01:31:54,639
Speaker 2: this struck very quickly. Old Trump didn't do UFC any favors.

2085
01:31:54,680 --> 01:31:55,720
Speaker 2: He was like, I was gonna be like eight or

2086
01:31:55,800 --> 01:31:56,680
Speaker 2: nine title fights on.

2087
01:31:56,760 --> 01:31:57,519
Speaker 1: This, you know what I mean?

2088
01:31:58,640 --> 01:32:04,840
Speaker 3: I know, man' that's appropriate use of that. There is

2089
01:32:04,880 --> 01:32:07,439
Speaker 3: a little bit too, and I know this is kind

2090
01:32:07,439 --> 01:32:09,920
Speaker 3: of leads into the last thing we'll be talking about.

2091
01:32:09,920 --> 01:32:12,960
Speaker 3: But if you look at in this Paramount plus era

2092
01:32:13,200 --> 01:32:16,519
Speaker 3: of twenty twenty six, so far, each kind of main

2093
01:32:17,280 --> 01:32:20,320
Speaker 3: the big fights has been somewhat of a letdown, right

2094
01:32:20,360 --> 01:32:23,559
Speaker 3: because when they first announced, like Geegee and Patty, there

2095
01:32:23,600 --> 01:32:25,439
Speaker 3: was a lot of talk of where's Armand wasn't like

2096
01:32:25,479 --> 01:32:28,200
Speaker 3: his fight that happened like six weeks prior or whatever

2097
01:32:28,240 --> 01:32:31,760
Speaker 3: it was. Wasn't that being dangled as the number one

2098
01:32:31,760 --> 01:32:34,120
Speaker 3: contenter fight he won his fight? Like what's happening with him?

2099
01:32:34,439 --> 01:32:37,320
Speaker 3: You get Vulcan Diego Lopez and people are like, why

2100
01:32:37,320 --> 01:32:39,599
Speaker 3: are we doing this again? And we talked about this

2101
01:32:39,640 --> 01:32:42,479
Speaker 3: ad nauseum on around that fight, and now you kind

2102
01:32:42,479 --> 01:32:45,000
Speaker 3: of get, you know, you get this BMF title, which

2103
01:32:45,880 --> 01:32:48,880
Speaker 3: you know, I'm not sure people were pining for it,

2104
01:32:48,920 --> 01:32:51,000
Speaker 3: but it was okay in one sense, but like there

2105
01:32:51,040 --> 01:32:54,800
Speaker 3: was nothing around it. And then you get basically a

2106
01:32:54,840 --> 01:32:58,439
Speaker 3: card that's being dangled that's supposedly the vortex that's holding

2107
01:32:58,479 --> 01:33:01,360
Speaker 3: everything up, that's gonna be this, this enormous card, and

2108
01:33:01,400 --> 01:33:03,639
Speaker 3: you can't figure out any other part of the schedule

2109
01:33:03,680 --> 01:33:06,760
Speaker 3: until you have this set and it meets a little

2110
01:33:06,760 --> 01:33:08,680
Speaker 3: bit with a thud, you know, And I think that

2111
01:33:08,680 --> 01:33:11,760
Speaker 3: that's just so far in twenty twenty six, in this

2112
01:33:11,840 --> 01:33:14,120
Speaker 3: new era, it just seems like it's par for the course.

2113
01:33:14,200 --> 01:33:17,080
Speaker 1: Each one of these cards is underwhelming its fan base.

2114
01:33:17,880 --> 01:33:19,760
Speaker 2: By the way, a bunch of heavy chalk on this

2115
01:33:19,840 --> 01:33:22,320
Speaker 2: card too. According to our friends at DraftKings to Pouria

2116
01:33:22,960 --> 01:33:26,840
Speaker 2: minus four fifty five. Wow, Poton gone. This This is

2117
01:33:26,840 --> 01:33:28,680
Speaker 2: what I was saying, Poton Gone is the best fight

2118
01:33:28,760 --> 01:33:30,800
Speaker 2: on this fuck at least best fight, I don't know,

2119
01:33:31,040 --> 01:33:35,040
Speaker 2: most intriguing fight on this card for sure. Poton minus

2120
01:33:35,040 --> 01:33:37,840
Speaker 2: one thirty five, Gone plus one fourteen. That's a great,

2121
01:33:37,960 --> 01:33:42,759
Speaker 2: great line, O'Malley minus three forty five, Hoofy minus three eighty,

2122
01:33:44,120 --> 01:33:46,840
Speaker 2: Nicole nearly a minus two hundred, and Lopez minus two

2123
01:33:46,880 --> 01:33:47,439
Speaker 2: to five.

2124
01:33:48,160 --> 01:33:52,080
Speaker 3: You know, by the way, another man's they waits, Michael

2125
01:33:52,160 --> 01:33:54,160
Speaker 3: Chandler waits all these years and they get They're like,

2126
01:33:54,160 --> 01:33:56,599
Speaker 3: we're gonna feed you to a buzzsaw at the White.

2127
01:33:56,439 --> 01:33:59,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like, you want to fight. Great news, Great news, Mike,

2128
01:33:59,600 --> 01:34:00,800
Speaker 2: we're gonna but you're in the White House.

2129
01:34:00,880 --> 01:34:01,240
Speaker 7: Yay.

2130
01:34:01,720 --> 01:34:02,400
Speaker 1: Bad news.

2131
01:34:02,880 --> 01:34:05,960
Speaker 2: You have to fight Shang Sung from Mortal Kombat. He's

2132
01:34:06,000 --> 01:34:09,720
Speaker 2: going to take your soul much and that'll be that.

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Speaker 2: topic number five here, and Chuck, I only we could

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Speaker 2: have talked about Giopitia at zoofa.

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Speaker 1: Boxing, but I didn't really care.

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Speaker 2: So we're gonna talk about something a little bit different,

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Speaker 2: which is I have never seen since The Ultimate Fighter Boom.

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01:36:00,280 --> 01:36:02,280
Speaker 2: Maybe I don't know if I've ever seen the fan

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01:36:02,360 --> 01:36:09,040
Speaker 2: base this disaffected. We're not even three months into the

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Speaker 2: paramount deal, and the disappointment, the disaffection, whatever you would

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Speaker 2: like to call it to me, is the highest I've

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Speaker 2: seen it in a very long time, maybe even as

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Speaker 2: much since the launch of The Ultimate Fighter. To be

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Speaker 2: perfectly honest with you, there are questions not really about

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01:36:21,400 --> 01:36:23,160
Speaker 2: the costs of being a fan, not so much now

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01:36:23,240 --> 01:36:26,200
Speaker 2: whether they've removed the paywalls for pay per views, but

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01:36:26,240 --> 01:36:28,160
Speaker 2: in terms of just attending and what that can end

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01:36:28,240 --> 01:36:31,400
Speaker 2: up being. But there's real concerns about the quality of

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01:36:31,479 --> 01:36:34,760
Speaker 2: the product. Now, Chuck, I'm not here too yet. I

2184
01:36:34,760 --> 01:36:37,160
Speaker 2: want to hear what you have to say first, just

2185
01:36:37,240 --> 01:36:40,240
Speaker 2: describe the malaise that's out there, But it's a bigger question.

2186
01:36:40,520 --> 01:36:43,280
Speaker 2: Is there something wrong with MMA? Is there something wrong

2187
01:36:43,320 --> 01:36:45,840
Speaker 2: with UFC? And do you sense that there is a

2188
01:36:46,000 --> 01:36:49,200
Speaker 2: malaise or disaffection with the fan base that feels especially

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01:36:49,240 --> 01:36:50,080
Speaker 2: heightened right now?

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Speaker 3: I do sense that, and I think a lot of

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01:36:52,320 --> 01:36:55,280
Speaker 3: people are pretty vocal about it. You know, you see

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01:36:55,280 --> 01:36:57,800
Speaker 3: it quite a bit, and not just from I mean,

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01:36:57,840 --> 01:36:59,880
Speaker 3: I have plenty of people who are hardcore fans are

2194
01:36:59,880 --> 01:37:02,760
Speaker 3: like media, you'll hear about some burnout issues, but it's

2195
01:37:02,760 --> 01:37:05,320
Speaker 3: also coming from people who are just enthusiastic about it,

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01:37:05,360 --> 01:37:08,479
Speaker 3: who are influencer types or whatever, like they just have

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01:37:09,800 --> 01:37:12,439
Speaker 3: they've commented, right, Like, you see a lot of comments

2198
01:37:12,479 --> 01:37:15,519
Speaker 3: these days about the product just not being the same.

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Speaker 3: I don't know exactly why it is, because we've had

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01:37:20,800 --> 01:37:22,479
Speaker 3: the same issues in the sport for a long time.

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01:37:22,520 --> 01:37:25,320
Speaker 3: No off season, just the you know, the crush of

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01:37:25,320 --> 01:37:29,960
Speaker 3: the schedule alone can wear you down. But it does

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01:37:30,000 --> 01:37:32,320
Speaker 3: seem like it's turned a strange corner in this new era.

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01:37:32,360 --> 01:37:34,800
Speaker 3: And sometimes it becomes more glaring when you get like

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01:37:34,920 --> 01:37:38,839
Speaker 3: under like maybe something like a new you know, broadcasting partner.

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01:37:39,560 --> 01:37:41,840
Speaker 3: I worried a little bit when you remove the price

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01:37:41,920 --> 01:37:44,640
Speaker 3: point of like, you know, like you remove a pay

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01:37:44,720 --> 01:37:47,599
Speaker 3: per view model, do you does the fan base suffer

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Speaker 3: that weird kind of syndrome where you're like, I'm not

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01:37:50,160 --> 01:37:53,120
Speaker 3: you know, I'm not paying for my event. I'm not

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01:37:53,200 --> 01:37:56,040
Speaker 3: getting the same value, so that somehow they devalue what

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01:37:56,080 --> 01:37:58,040
Speaker 3: they're watching because they're not paying for it.

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01:37:58,080 --> 01:38:02,120
Speaker 1: There might be a slight you know, some of that

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01:38:02,240 --> 01:38:02,719
Speaker 1: in play.

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Speaker 3: But it's also that Paramount Plus was an existing you know,

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01:38:08,320 --> 01:38:11,280
Speaker 3: streaming service, it had content already. When the UFC went

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01:38:11,320 --> 01:38:15,679
Speaker 3: to ESPN Plus, it was part of the flagship launch. Basically,

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01:38:15,680 --> 01:38:17,320
Speaker 3: they were going to go in there and kind of

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01:38:17,320 --> 01:38:20,360
Speaker 3: be the initial you know, trojan horse to break it through,

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01:38:20,360 --> 01:38:24,120
Speaker 3: and everything was gonna fall around that, which they did

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Speaker 3: a great job of.

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Speaker 1: It's just a little bit more would work.

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Speaker 3: This time, right, Like they go into it and it's like,

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01:38:29,520 --> 01:38:31,519
Speaker 3: you know, they're just kind of fitting in as part

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01:38:31,560 --> 01:38:33,320
Speaker 3: of the programming. They've done a good job with the

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01:38:33,360 --> 01:38:36,080
Speaker 3: push of it, but it's just it hasn't had the

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01:38:36,120 --> 01:38:39,639
Speaker 3: same big feel that we that we've seen when UFC

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01:38:39,720 --> 01:38:43,519
Speaker 3: interest partnerships with other broadcasts. You know, places, it's like

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01:38:43,920 --> 01:38:45,760
Speaker 3: there's a little bit of that, man. But I think

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01:38:45,840 --> 01:38:48,120
Speaker 3: it also comes down to what you mentioned, Like what

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01:38:48,120 --> 01:38:51,240
Speaker 3: we've been talking about these cards themselves, you know, these

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01:38:51,280 --> 01:38:54,679
Speaker 3: prelims that we're just constantly like, wow, that was pretty bad. Yeah,

2233
01:38:55,120 --> 01:38:57,160
Speaker 3: there's probably a lot of people on roster at this

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01:38:57,240 --> 01:38:59,360
Speaker 3: point that shouldn't be on the UFC roster, you know

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01:38:59,400 --> 01:39:01,320
Speaker 3: what I mean. Like, I think you're watching a lot

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01:39:01,320 --> 01:39:04,360
Speaker 3: of bad MMA, and that used to be kind of

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01:39:04,400 --> 01:39:06,719
Speaker 3: more relegated to the other leagues, that wasn't the UFC,

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01:39:07,040 --> 01:39:09,080
Speaker 3: And unfortunately, I think the UFC is kind of dealing

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01:39:09,120 --> 01:39:09,599
Speaker 3: with that now.

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Speaker 2: Long Alan, where are you on this question? As somebody

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01:39:13,160 --> 01:39:15,400
Speaker 2: who watches an enormous amount of MMA.

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01:39:15,880 --> 01:39:17,320
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm the right person to ask

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01:39:17,360 --> 01:39:17,720
Speaker 1: about this.

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01:39:17,800 --> 01:39:20,799
Speaker 2: I mean, no, every I love it. I'm not looking

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01:39:20,920 --> 01:39:24,280
Speaker 2: for I'm not looking for consensus. I'm looking for your answer.

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01:39:24,360 --> 01:39:27,360
Speaker 4: I'm saying, all right, clearly, since like the Fox era,

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01:39:27,600 --> 01:39:29,719
Speaker 4: even the ESPN No, I'll say it, since the Fox

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01:39:29,760 --> 01:39:31,920
Speaker 4: are there's been a clear drop off of just quality

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01:39:31,960 --> 01:39:34,120
Speaker 4: of cards in general, like we used to get. You

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Speaker 4: look back at some of these cards and like, sure,

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Speaker 4: you don't know these guys are gonna pan out to

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01:39:37,479 --> 01:39:39,200
Speaker 4: be champions. But you look back at some like old

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01:39:39,200 --> 01:39:41,960
Speaker 4: fight nights and you're like, damn, they had a Chevchenko

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01:39:42,080 --> 01:39:44,280
Speaker 4: on the curtain jerker. You know, like it's like it's

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Speaker 4: crazy to look back at nowadays you're just not getting

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01:39:47,360 --> 01:39:50,360
Speaker 4: that shit. I always like, look at a mid fight

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01:39:50,439 --> 01:39:53,160
Speaker 4: and I'll be like, yeah, that's probably gonna be Comain

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01:39:53,240 --> 01:39:55,200
Speaker 4: on an APEX card. You know, look at I don't

2259
01:39:55,200 --> 01:39:57,439
Speaker 4: know if you guys have even dove into this weekend's card,

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01:39:57,520 --> 01:40:00,960
Speaker 4: but the bout order is one of the I've ever seen.

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01:40:01,120 --> 01:40:03,200
Speaker 4: Mick to back Oral by Chris Curtis, which was on

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01:40:03,280 --> 01:40:06,920
Speaker 4: my top five most anticipated fight outside of Maine and

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01:40:07,000 --> 01:40:10,719
Speaker 4: Comain's Luca. You know, you did the mains and you know, uh,

2264
01:40:10,760 --> 01:40:13,280
Speaker 4: But anyways, dude, they're putt. They're burying that shit on

2265
01:40:13,320 --> 01:40:15,400
Speaker 4: the prelims and they have a six fight man with

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01:40:15,600 --> 01:40:19,720
Speaker 4: like Harry Hardwick versus fucking some aussy who's debuting who

2267
01:40:19,760 --> 01:40:21,679
Speaker 4: didn't look that good on Contender series by the way,

2268
01:40:21,720 --> 01:40:22,439
Speaker 4: Like what the fuck is?

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01:40:22,560 --> 01:40:24,160
Speaker 1: Why is that there? And you're burying this?

2270
01:40:25,040 --> 01:40:27,360
Speaker 4: Are they going the PFL route where we're just gonna

2271
01:40:27,439 --> 01:40:31,120
Speaker 4: like mix in sprinkling pfl almost you look at it,

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01:40:31,160 --> 01:40:33,120
Speaker 4: the second fight of the night is like Rob Wilkinson

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01:40:33,200 --> 01:40:35,519
Speaker 4: versus impakasagan I, and you're like, wait, aren't those like

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01:40:35,560 --> 01:40:37,240
Speaker 4: two of your biggest stars? Why are they on the

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01:40:37,280 --> 01:40:39,320
Speaker 4: second fight of the night. I feel like in the

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01:40:39,320 --> 01:40:41,560
Speaker 4: Powermount Era, UFC is kind of thinking like that, Like,

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01:40:41,640 --> 01:40:45,559
Speaker 4: let's just sprinkle in good fights throughout the card and

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01:40:45,640 --> 01:40:48,519
Speaker 4: make it majority of its shit, especially the main card,

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01:40:48,600 --> 01:40:50,760
Speaker 4: look like shit big and as a result.

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Speaker 1: You're no longer backloading the main card, you know.

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01:40:53,840 --> 01:40:57,679
Speaker 4: So to answer your question, yes, it's getting a little stale,

2282
01:40:57,840 --> 01:41:00,719
Speaker 4: but you know I'm still rolling with the punches upun intended.

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01:41:01,120 --> 01:41:03,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's still plenty of good things to

2284
01:41:03,640 --> 01:41:06,559
Speaker 2: look forward to. It's not an either or kind of question.

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01:41:07,200 --> 01:41:08,920
Speaker 2: It's just for me, chuck. You know, I'm old and

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01:41:09,000 --> 01:41:11,439
Speaker 2: jaded all the time. It's not new for me to

2287
01:41:11,439 --> 01:41:13,000
Speaker 2: feel this way, but it is new for me to

2288
01:41:13,040 --> 01:41:17,760
Speaker 2: see it so ubiquitously on my timeline, or you know,

2289
01:41:18,240 --> 01:41:20,960
Speaker 2: folks talking to me about it, or just some kind

2290
01:41:20,960 --> 01:41:23,280
Speaker 2: of way of interfacing it with the fans and then hearing,

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01:41:24,280 --> 01:41:26,760
Speaker 2: you know, criticisms that I didn't used to hear. I

2292
01:41:26,800 --> 01:41:28,400
Speaker 2: used to get resistance. I'd be like, oh, I got

2293
01:41:28,400 --> 01:41:30,120
Speaker 2: some problems with the product and be like, Noah, that's great.

2294
01:41:30,479 --> 01:41:32,840
Speaker 2: And now I don't face that kind of resistance. Now

2295
01:41:32,840 --> 01:41:34,640
Speaker 2: there's a lot more people being willing to kind of

2296
01:41:34,680 --> 01:41:37,519
Speaker 2: accept it. And part of it it's unfair, right, because part

2297
01:41:37,520 --> 01:41:40,840
Speaker 2: of it is coming off the heels of this Olivera

2298
01:41:40,960 --> 01:41:44,080
Speaker 2: and Holloway fight, which was not up to the keeping

2299
01:41:44,120 --> 01:41:46,880
Speaker 2: of the branding, but was not an objectively bad fight

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01:41:46,920 --> 01:41:47,519
Speaker 2: by any stretch.

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01:41:47,560 --> 01:41:50,080
Speaker 1: It just it just didn't you know, it didn't It

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01:41:50,120 --> 01:41:51,160
Speaker 1: didn't look up to the branding.

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Speaker 2: But I think for me, the one thing I'm going

2304
01:41:53,439 --> 01:41:56,120
Speaker 2: to leave everyone with here on this question is, you know,

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01:41:57,080 --> 01:41:59,759
Speaker 2: I just see all of these like Wall Street types

2306
01:41:59,800 --> 01:42:02,720
Speaker 2: talk about, like, oh, the value of getting in on TKO,

2307
01:42:02,880 --> 01:42:06,440
Speaker 2: and they talk about, you know what, the various aspects

2308
01:42:06,520 --> 01:42:09,960
Speaker 2: of the business that gives them some confidence for its future.

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01:42:10,720 --> 01:42:13,639
Speaker 2: And I don't even necessarily think that what they are

2310
01:42:13,720 --> 01:42:16,479
Speaker 2: talking about is wrong. But there's two problems with it

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01:42:16,520 --> 01:42:19,160
Speaker 2: in the sense of what we're talking about. Namely, one,

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01:42:19,280 --> 01:42:22,639
Speaker 2: it never ever ever delves into product quality. It always

2313
01:42:22,680 --> 01:42:27,360
Speaker 2: delves into product ubiquity and control in markets. Right, So

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01:42:27,400 --> 01:42:31,280
Speaker 2: there's never a question of, like, you know, are they

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01:42:31,360 --> 01:42:33,720
Speaker 2: producing something of value? The question is there's no one

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01:42:33,720 --> 01:42:36,720
Speaker 2: else to do. It is kind of the big one.

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01:42:37,320 --> 01:42:39,240
Speaker 2: And I think the other one is they just don't

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01:42:39,280 --> 01:42:42,200
Speaker 2: see the malaise that is brewing at the bottom of

2319
01:42:42,200 --> 01:42:44,439
Speaker 2: the totem pole here and maybe it goes nowhere. Maybe

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01:42:44,439 --> 01:42:46,680
Speaker 2: it's a little bit of you know, there's there's too

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01:42:46,760 --> 01:42:49,280
Speaker 2: much overrepresentation in this opinion based on what you see

2322
01:42:49,360 --> 01:42:51,960
Speaker 2: on social media. There can be a lot of these things.

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01:42:52,000 --> 01:42:53,840
Speaker 2: But I just know how you know, Chuck, you have

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01:42:53,880 --> 01:42:57,280
Speaker 2: conversations with the people behind the scenes too. Those conversations

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01:42:57,320 --> 01:42:59,679
Speaker 2: are much more candid than even the one we're having now,

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01:43:00,080 --> 01:43:03,040
Speaker 2: at least they've been in my experience. And the reality

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01:43:03,040 --> 01:43:04,840
Speaker 2: that I think people need to accept is you've got

2328
01:43:04,880 --> 01:43:07,160
Speaker 2: a weird kind of moneyball thing.

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Speaker 1: Happening, Chuck.

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Speaker 2: On of if you know this, do you know who

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01:43:09,840 --> 01:43:12,680
Speaker 2: Mark Shapiro is Before he got into TKO.

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01:43:14,400 --> 01:43:16,519
Speaker 1: Uh No, not really, not really.

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01:43:16,840 --> 01:43:19,120
Speaker 2: He was the guy and this was a bigger story

2334
01:43:19,160 --> 01:43:21,960
Speaker 2: here obviously than it was probably anywhere else in the country.

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01:43:22,000 --> 01:43:25,040
Speaker 2: But he was the guy that Dan Snyder, the former

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01:43:25,080 --> 01:43:28,920
Speaker 2: owner of the then Washington Resikins football team, slash commanders.

2337
01:43:29,960 --> 01:43:32,719
Speaker 2: Dan Snyder put him in charge to fix six Flags.

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01:43:33,280 --> 01:43:35,840
Speaker 2: That was what he did. And if you actually look

2339
01:43:35,840 --> 01:43:38,600
Speaker 2: at Mark Shapiro's business record on that in general, it

2340
01:43:38,640 --> 01:43:42,160
Speaker 2: was pretty good. He couldn't actually fix the debt problem

2341
01:43:42,200 --> 01:43:44,759
Speaker 2: that six Flags had, and he did make one really

2342
01:43:44,760 --> 01:43:46,760
Speaker 2: critical era that fucked things up, but he actually did

2343
01:43:46,800 --> 01:43:49,400
Speaker 2: a lot of really really good things and increased revenue.

2344
01:43:49,439 --> 01:43:52,439
Speaker 2: But like this is my point, this is not a

2345
01:43:52,439 --> 01:43:56,599
Speaker 2: fight Guy'll he can go to a thousand fights, He'll

2346
01:43:56,720 --> 01:43:59,679
Speaker 2: never be a fight guy. Dana White could skip fights

2347
01:43:59,720 --> 01:44:01,960
Speaker 2: the rest of his life and will always be a

2348
01:44:02,000 --> 01:44:04,960
Speaker 2: fight guy. And there is a difference between them. And

2349
01:44:05,000 --> 01:44:06,840
Speaker 2: the thing that I want people to understand is you've

2350
01:44:06,880 --> 01:44:11,559
Speaker 2: got private equity who are making decisions about how to

2351
01:44:11,720 --> 01:44:15,920
Speaker 2: arrange their product where what the fan wants and what

2352
01:44:16,000 --> 01:44:21,240
Speaker 2: they actually need. These are not primary questions. The primary

2353
01:44:21,320 --> 01:44:24,160
Speaker 2: questions are how do we deliver for our media partners

2354
01:44:24,160 --> 01:44:26,559
Speaker 2: in various markets? What are ways in which we can

2355
01:44:26,600 --> 01:44:29,240
Speaker 2: get you know, different governments to pay us money and

2356
01:44:29,280 --> 01:44:31,599
Speaker 2: these financial incentive packages that's what they're calling them.

2357
01:44:31,600 --> 01:44:33,559
Speaker 1: Now, you know, what are the ways we can meet

2358
01:44:33,560 --> 01:44:35,639
Speaker 1: shareholder value? Right?

2359
01:44:36,000 --> 01:44:38,479
Speaker 2: It's all of these questions but the questions of like,

2360
01:44:38,640 --> 01:44:42,080
Speaker 2: what is actually happening to the product? They come second,

2361
01:44:42,080 --> 01:44:43,760
Speaker 2: and I know what everyone's gonna say. They're gonna say, well,

2362
01:44:43,760 --> 01:44:46,120
Speaker 2: eventually that will catch up with you. Sure, but it's

2363
01:44:46,160 --> 01:44:48,479
Speaker 2: a monopoly, which means that by the time it takes

2364
01:44:48,520 --> 01:44:50,680
Speaker 2: them to catch up for it, it's gonna take forever.

2365
01:44:51,120 --> 01:44:54,000
Speaker 2: It'll take forever, and there could be you know, an

2366
01:44:54,120 --> 01:44:56,479
Speaker 2: enormous amount of damage that's already done by that point.

2367
01:44:56,560 --> 01:44:58,559
Speaker 2: And so this is why we started the whole show,

2368
01:44:58,640 --> 01:45:01,000
Speaker 2: Chuck being like, oh, well, it's good for Francis, it's

2369
01:45:01,000 --> 01:45:05,000
Speaker 2: good for Netflix. Fine, what do y'all want?

2370
01:45:05,240 --> 01:45:05,439
Speaker 1: Right?

2371
01:45:05,880 --> 01:45:09,800
Speaker 2: We need someone who does that. Because you were so right, Chuck,

2372
01:45:10,040 --> 01:45:12,120
Speaker 2: it felt like back in the day the fans would

2373
01:45:12,120 --> 01:45:14,479
Speaker 2: be like, we want Randy Kator versus blah, and they

2374
01:45:14,520 --> 01:45:16,120
Speaker 2: would just find a way to make it.

2375
01:45:16,720 --> 01:45:19,519
Speaker 1: And now that just doesn't seem to happen.

2376
01:45:20,240 --> 01:45:23,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, there was, like, you know, you mentioned all of this,

2377
01:45:23,560 --> 01:45:25,760
Speaker 3: and that was the key difference, right, Like in the

2378
01:45:25,840 --> 01:45:29,320
Speaker 3: Fortita era, there was a familial feel that they built

2379
01:45:29,960 --> 01:45:32,960
Speaker 3: and it wasn't just within the matchmaking itself. Well that

2380
01:45:33,000 --> 01:45:35,040
Speaker 3: was a huge component, but it felt like if you

2381
01:45:35,080 --> 01:45:38,400
Speaker 3: were speaking on stuff they listened, they wanted to, they

2382
01:45:38,439 --> 01:45:41,000
Speaker 3: wanted fan input. They were very finger on the pulse

2383
01:45:41,040 --> 01:45:44,080
Speaker 3: that way. They were not tuned out to what these

2384
01:45:44,120 --> 01:45:46,439
Speaker 3: needs were. And a lot of times you remember, man,

2385
01:45:46,960 --> 01:45:48,840
Speaker 3: they would just be going into new markets. Hey we're

2386
01:45:48,840 --> 01:45:50,880
Speaker 3: going to go to Denver, or we're gonna go to

2387
01:45:50,920 --> 01:45:53,639
Speaker 3: wherever it was, and would they would they would mention

2388
01:45:53,800 --> 01:45:56,400
Speaker 3: these places and there was huge excitement because people had

2389
01:45:56,439 --> 01:45:58,439
Speaker 3: been wanting to go there. This had nothing to do

2390
01:45:58,520 --> 01:46:00,640
Speaker 3: with them being paid, you know what I mean, Like

2391
01:46:01,000 --> 01:46:05,400
Speaker 3: like it is these days. It had less to do

2392
01:46:05,439 --> 01:46:09,080
Speaker 3: with that than just meeting the demand of what people wanted.

2393
01:46:09,160 --> 01:46:11,439
Speaker 3: And I feel like that that's how they built their

2394
01:46:11,479 --> 01:46:13,559
Speaker 3: hardcore base and just this passion for.

2395
01:46:13,520 --> 01:46:15,000
Speaker 1: The sport up.

2396
01:46:15,040 --> 01:46:18,080
Speaker 3: But it started to The USC benefited, I think from

2397
01:46:18,080 --> 01:46:20,680
Speaker 3: the from the pandemic in the end because obviously they

2398
01:46:20,680 --> 01:46:22,720
Speaker 3: were able to keep rolling fights there. But this this

2399
01:46:22,800 --> 01:46:24,640
Speaker 3: may have started way earlier, as I was going to say,

2400
01:46:24,720 --> 01:46:26,920
Speaker 3: it may have started way earlier because once the sale

2401
01:46:26,960 --> 01:46:28,040
Speaker 3: of the UFC.

2402
01:46:29,360 --> 01:46:30,320
Speaker 1: Put it in different hands.

2403
01:46:30,360 --> 01:46:34,320
Speaker 3: Like you said, the people sometimes making decisions these days

2404
01:46:34,840 --> 01:46:39,000
Speaker 3: don't consider the fan elements of it. It probably shows

2405
01:46:39,080 --> 01:46:42,040
Speaker 3: up earlier. But the pandemic actually turned a lot of

2406
01:46:42,080 --> 01:46:45,040
Speaker 3: new fans onto the sport because it was going the

2407
01:46:45,120 --> 01:46:48,320
Speaker 3: gambling era kind of coincides within that, like where it's

2408
01:46:48,320 --> 01:46:51,240
Speaker 3: like legalized gambling in a lot of states brought a

2409
01:46:51,240 --> 01:46:54,120
Speaker 3: lot of more eyeballs onto it. So I think it

2410
01:46:54,160 --> 01:46:56,920
Speaker 3: was able to kind of grow in spite of these things.

2411
01:46:56,920 --> 01:47:00,720
Speaker 3: But now you're getting to the point where maybe some

2412
01:47:00,760 --> 01:47:02,479
Speaker 3: of this starts to catch up. And I mean, honestly,

2413
01:47:02,520 --> 01:47:04,840
Speaker 3: the biggest the thing that we're seeing when we're talking

2414
01:47:04,880 --> 01:47:06,880
Speaker 3: about like talking to fellow fans or you're like talking

2415
01:47:06,880 --> 01:47:10,400
Speaker 3: to media, is that they just don't feel listen to man, Like,

2416
01:47:10,439 --> 01:47:11,920
Speaker 3: that's what it comes down to. The thing that they

2417
01:47:11,960 --> 01:47:14,240
Speaker 3: wanted most to see in the sport that felt within

2418
01:47:14,320 --> 01:47:16,559
Speaker 3: the grasp of the UFC to get they're no longer doing.

2419
01:47:16,960 --> 01:47:20,479
Speaker 3: And I think that that's like, that's tough to take

2420
01:47:20,560 --> 01:47:22,720
Speaker 3: when it when it becomes just a pattern where it's

2421
01:47:22,760 --> 01:47:25,960
Speaker 3: just Okay, now we're getting we're settling for whatever Plan

2422
01:47:26,040 --> 01:47:28,320
Speaker 3: A or you know what with Plan A in the

2423
01:47:28,320 --> 01:47:30,640
Speaker 3: fan base of mind becomes Plan B and then Plan C,

2424
01:47:30,720 --> 01:47:32,519
Speaker 3: and we're accepting it again and again, and that is

2425
01:47:32,560 --> 01:47:33,120
Speaker 3: the problem.

2426
01:47:34,360 --> 01:47:36,680
Speaker 2: I remember when Dana would be like, hey, where you

2427
01:47:36,680 --> 01:47:39,559
Speaker 2: know where our blueprint is the opposite of what boxing does.

2428
01:47:39,600 --> 01:47:41,160
Speaker 2: And he would talk about how you never got the

2429
01:47:41,160 --> 01:47:43,000
Speaker 2: fight you wanted, and ever guy would dance around the

2430
01:47:43,040 --> 01:47:48,479
Speaker 2: other guy and it's like, yeah, justin Gaegee's only fighting

2431
01:47:48,479 --> 01:47:52,120
Speaker 2: on this white house lawn because they just jerrymandered it

2432
01:47:52,160 --> 01:47:55,720
Speaker 2: in like there's no reason that should be happening at all,

2433
01:47:55,840 --> 01:47:57,800
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So it's a pretty clear

2434
01:47:57,840 --> 01:47:59,920
Speaker 2: example of that. All right, But that out of the way.

2435
01:48:00,160 --> 01:48:02,120
Speaker 2: Those are our top five topics. It's now time for

2436
01:48:02,160 --> 01:48:04,759
Speaker 2: you guys to ask us questions. It's time for dms

2437
01:48:04,760 --> 01:48:13,200
Speaker 2: from dogs. That's what That's what Kyle Bhalio sounded.

2438
01:48:12,920 --> 01:48:18,200
Speaker 1: Like, and just in his cup. All right. Question number one,

2439
01:48:18,240 --> 01:48:19,120
Speaker 1: let's go here.

2440
01:48:19,640 --> 01:48:23,000
Speaker 2: From Eric Bolden, How would you describe the start to

2441
01:48:23,000 --> 01:48:27,280
Speaker 2: the Paramount era so far compared compared different question compared

2442
01:48:27,320 --> 01:48:30,240
Speaker 2: to the start on Spike, compared to the start on Fox,

2443
01:48:30,320 --> 01:48:33,080
Speaker 2: and compared to the start on ESPN. Is this the

2444
01:48:33,120 --> 01:48:36,760
Speaker 2: most unimaginative era of all time thus far in terms

2445
01:48:36,800 --> 01:48:38,719
Speaker 2: of matchmaking? So, Chuck, when they started out on Fox

2446
01:48:38,760 --> 01:48:40,840
Speaker 2: and everything else, what kind of vibe did you get?

2447
01:48:41,640 --> 01:48:44,800
Speaker 3: The Fox was interesting, right, because they threw that extra again,

2448
01:48:44,880 --> 01:48:46,439
Speaker 3: it was like, Hey, we're gonna give you guys something.

2449
01:48:46,479 --> 01:48:47,360
Speaker 1: We're gonna kick it off.

2450
01:48:47,400 --> 01:48:49,559
Speaker 3: This is for you, the fans of stup Velascaz versus

2451
01:48:49,680 --> 01:48:52,280
Speaker 3: those Santos. Remember that felt like a big deal. It

2452
01:48:52,320 --> 01:48:55,160
Speaker 3: was a one hour, one hour block. You had guys like, uh,

2453
01:48:55,600 --> 01:48:57,280
Speaker 3: what's his name? Menefee? Was that his name?

2454
01:48:57,400 --> 01:48:58,839
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, Menafee?

2455
01:48:58,920 --> 01:49:00,519
Speaker 3: Like you had like you were like, oh my god,

2456
01:49:00,800 --> 01:49:04,080
Speaker 3: this is a huge crossover moment into the broader world

2457
01:49:04,080 --> 01:49:04,599
Speaker 3: of sports.

2458
01:49:04,840 --> 01:49:06,439
Speaker 1: So that one felt very big.

2459
01:49:06,560 --> 01:49:08,920
Speaker 3: And when they finally got to the real portion of

2460
01:49:08,920 --> 01:49:12,600
Speaker 3: the Fox era, it shook out in a way that

2461
01:49:12,760 --> 01:49:16,200
Speaker 3: was like the you know, the least desirable title like

2462
01:49:16,240 --> 01:49:18,280
Speaker 3: for instance, Demetrius Johnson seemed to be on a lot

2463
01:49:18,280 --> 01:49:20,760
Speaker 3: of those, right, Like there were still title fights and

2464
01:49:20,800 --> 01:49:23,680
Speaker 3: they were they were kind of put on there, but

2465
01:49:23,720 --> 01:49:26,720
Speaker 3: there was still like a there was an excitement in

2466
01:49:26,760 --> 01:49:28,639
Speaker 3: here to it because they've been trying to get on

2467
01:49:29,400 --> 01:49:32,200
Speaker 3: you know, like these types of like they wanted this

2468
01:49:32,280 --> 01:49:33,760
Speaker 3: kind of deal for a long time and now they

2469
01:49:33,760 --> 01:49:36,000
Speaker 3: were on it. Like it was more of a crossover thing.

2470
01:49:36,000 --> 01:49:38,360
Speaker 3: I felt like the ESPN one is more like this, right.

2471
01:49:38,760 --> 01:49:43,920
Speaker 3: The only difference was that ESPN they were launching their

2472
01:49:44,360 --> 01:49:47,800
Speaker 3: ESPN Plus and so it felt like this was it

2473
01:49:47,840 --> 01:49:50,400
Speaker 3: was more about that than anything else. But like the fight,

2474
01:49:50,479 --> 01:49:53,200
Speaker 3: the matchmaking itself, Luke, you told me if I'm wrong,

2475
01:49:53,240 --> 01:49:56,200
Speaker 3: I felt like it was similar. I didn't really feel

2476
01:49:56,200 --> 01:49:58,920
Speaker 3: like they were they were doing anything extraordinary for the

2477
01:49:58,920 --> 01:50:01,640
Speaker 3: beginning or even and through the ESPN era, Like I

2478
01:50:01,640 --> 01:50:03,959
Speaker 3: felt like they were just kind of going about.

2479
01:50:03,760 --> 01:50:05,920
Speaker 1: Business as usual at that point.

2480
01:50:06,160 --> 01:50:06,280
Speaker 4: Well.

2481
01:50:06,280 --> 01:50:09,679
Speaker 2: And also remember the first card was the TJ Dillashaw

2482
01:50:09,680 --> 01:50:13,560
Speaker 2: and Henry Shudo card, wh TJ eventually would pop later exactly.

2483
01:50:13,960 --> 01:50:17,800
Speaker 1: So yeah, that party of complications that the I was.

2484
01:50:17,800 --> 01:50:20,280
Speaker 4: Just going to say, the Komin event was Alan Crowder

2485
01:50:20,360 --> 01:50:22,240
Speaker 4: and Greg Hardy. I think it's safe to say the

2486
01:50:22,520 --> 01:50:24,280
Speaker 4: matchmaking was still pretty terrible.

2487
01:50:24,080 --> 01:50:26,200
Speaker 3: Right, and Ostovich was on that card too, like on

2488
01:50:26,320 --> 01:50:28,320
Speaker 3: the main card, and I was always saying it was

2489
01:50:28,360 --> 01:50:30,559
Speaker 3: like a weird thing. Man, it was like bizarre too.

2490
01:50:30,880 --> 01:50:32,960
Speaker 3: So a lot of what they've been dealing with it

2491
01:50:32,960 --> 01:50:35,200
Speaker 3: it extends back to the ESPN era.

2492
01:50:35,680 --> 01:50:39,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, the thing that people I've just I've seen people complain, Oh,

2493
01:50:39,080 --> 01:50:39,920
Speaker 2: it's the paramount era.

2494
01:50:40,000 --> 01:50:40,559
Speaker 1: It's really not.

2495
01:50:41,080 --> 01:50:45,200
Speaker 2: Now, maybe the taking off of pay per view will change.

2496
01:50:45,240 --> 01:50:47,439
Speaker 2: It has changed some of the calculus. But to the

2497
01:50:47,479 --> 01:50:49,760
Speaker 2: point you raised, Chuck, these forces have been in motion

2498
01:50:49,880 --> 01:50:53,000
Speaker 2: for some time, you know, since twenty sixteen. In some

2499
01:50:53,040 --> 01:50:54,800
Speaker 2: certain ways, maybe they were slow to roll some of

2500
01:50:54,800 --> 01:50:57,960
Speaker 2: these changes out, but not now. Now it's they're fully

2501
01:50:58,400 --> 01:51:00,120
Speaker 2: baked into how the product is.

2502
01:51:00,960 --> 01:51:02,800
Speaker 3: And going back to like the Spike era, it was

2503
01:51:02,880 --> 01:51:07,280
Speaker 3: just like for anybody that held that like that illegitimacy

2504
01:51:07,360 --> 01:51:09,200
Speaker 3: of like I would just want my sport to kind

2505
01:51:09,200 --> 01:51:11,080
Speaker 3: of grew up and be like the other sports. That's

2506
01:51:11,120 --> 01:51:12,920
Speaker 3: what that felt like, right like when it was kind

2507
01:51:12,920 --> 01:51:15,360
Speaker 3: of it was like everybody was just so excited that

2508
01:51:15,439 --> 01:51:18,400
Speaker 3: it was showing up in a bigger way than it

2509
01:51:18,439 --> 01:51:20,880
Speaker 3: had been because from where it came from at that point,

2510
01:51:21,120 --> 01:51:24,120
Speaker 3: it was fueled for the early aughts just on people's passion.

2511
01:51:24,160 --> 01:51:26,400
Speaker 1: That's it. There was no other way to do it.

2512
01:51:26,439 --> 01:51:26,600
Speaker 1: You know.

2513
01:51:26,840 --> 01:51:29,240
Speaker 2: Also, the Fox era had some issues too because that

2514
01:51:29,320 --> 01:51:31,200
Speaker 2: was the first time the pot up product really began

2515
01:51:31,280 --> 01:51:34,000
Speaker 2: to scale, you know, they really began to do like

2516
01:51:34,160 --> 01:51:37,000
Speaker 2: a bunch of fight nights and a bunch of extra stuff.

2517
01:51:37,040 --> 01:51:39,559
Speaker 2: That's when the product grew and grew one root. So

2518
01:51:39,560 --> 01:51:43,120
Speaker 2: that had that had an oversaturation challenge as well. All right,

2519
01:51:43,240 --> 01:51:47,200
Speaker 2: question number two from Romping Bronco. That's your neck of

2520
01:51:47,200 --> 01:51:50,200
Speaker 2: the woods right out that airport. How does the White

2521
01:51:50,240 --> 01:51:52,680
Speaker 2: House card build up slash reveal compared to that of

2522
01:51:52,720 --> 01:51:55,719
Speaker 2: the Sphere card? Also as Michael Chandler the most talented

2523
01:51:55,760 --> 01:51:59,880
Speaker 2: fighter at failing upwards his UFC history, I mean, my

2524
01:52:00,000 --> 01:52:01,320
Speaker 2: co Chanler did a lot for the brand and they

2525
01:52:01,360 --> 01:52:02,759
Speaker 2: kind of owed him a big one. But I realized

2526
01:52:02,800 --> 01:52:04,599
Speaker 2: that give him a buzz saw. But put the question

2527
01:52:04,680 --> 01:52:08,439
Speaker 2: up one more time, what is this in terms of

2528
01:52:08,520 --> 01:52:10,720
Speaker 2: the reveal compared to that the Sphere card? What do

2529
01:52:10,760 --> 01:52:11,280
Speaker 2: you think, Chuck?

2530
01:52:12,400 --> 01:52:14,880
Speaker 3: The Sphere card was a big deal, but more I guess,

2531
01:52:14,960 --> 01:52:16,599
Speaker 3: I mean the White House being what it is, it's

2532
01:52:16,720 --> 01:52:19,759
Speaker 3: the venue itself is kind of the star of the show.

2533
01:52:20,080 --> 01:52:22,240
Speaker 3: This fear was that, you know, but I don't think

2534
01:52:22,280 --> 01:52:25,479
Speaker 3: that we were expecting because this was also a re

2535
01:52:25,640 --> 01:52:31,240
Speaker 3: odd season also spent you know, a Mexican Independence Day.

2536
01:52:31,400 --> 01:52:35,679
Speaker 3: Like there was a weird concoction of ideas going into

2537
01:52:35,720 --> 01:52:39,120
Speaker 3: this card, so I felt like they were gonna they

2538
01:52:39,120 --> 01:52:41,479
Speaker 3: did a specific amount. I forget how many fights were

2539
01:52:41,479 --> 01:52:43,320
Speaker 3: on that card. It was, it was, it was less

2540
01:52:43,360 --> 01:52:46,479
Speaker 3: than usual, but I felt like it was they managed it.

2541
01:52:46,560 --> 01:52:50,200
Speaker 3: They managed expectations on that way differently than they did this, right, Like,

2542
01:52:50,200 --> 01:52:52,400
Speaker 3: because I felt like this one they were just like

2543
01:52:52,400 --> 01:52:54,080
Speaker 3: you said, didn't hope that Trump was out there saying

2544
01:52:54,120 --> 01:52:57,360
Speaker 3: there's gonna be seven title fights and all of that stuff.

2545
01:52:57,360 --> 01:53:00,479
Speaker 3: But the expectations were just set so high on this card.

2546
01:53:00,479 --> 01:53:03,639
Speaker 3: It was it would be more akin to uh UFC

2547
01:53:03,680 --> 01:53:06,000
Speaker 3: three hundred, like when people are like, what's going to

2548
01:53:06,040 --> 01:53:07,000
Speaker 3: happen with this card?

2549
01:53:07,120 --> 01:53:08,760
Speaker 1: Right? It was more like that to me.

2550
01:53:09,560 --> 01:53:12,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, well they people are like, oh, well, you know,

2551
01:53:12,200 --> 01:53:14,040
Speaker 2: like what else did you expect from them? And I'd

2552
01:53:14,040 --> 01:53:20,520
Speaker 2: be like, surprises, Yeah, that's true, like upping the ante,

2553
01:53:20,520 --> 01:53:23,840
Speaker 2: not using the existing resources you have in a reshuffled way,

2554
01:53:23,840 --> 01:53:26,600
Speaker 2: although that inevitably will be part of it, but the

2555
01:53:26,680 --> 01:53:28,800
Speaker 2: part like, oh we're gonna have a special venue, well

2556
01:53:28,840 --> 01:53:31,720
Speaker 2: then you need to have special attractions, right, I mean,

2557
01:53:31,760 --> 01:53:32,760
Speaker 2: and it's you know.

2558
01:53:32,680 --> 01:53:35,120
Speaker 3: Two hundred and fiftieth, you know, it's like all these things,

2559
01:53:35,120 --> 01:53:37,519
Speaker 3: the eightieth birthday of the present, You're like, okay, you

2560
01:53:37,600 --> 01:53:40,479
Speaker 3: have all of this on top of it, right, like,

2561
01:53:40,520 --> 01:53:43,000
Speaker 3: and they've just made such a ceremony of every time

2562
01:53:43,080 --> 01:53:45,479
Speaker 3: the you know, President's at one of the events they

2563
01:53:45,600 --> 01:53:47,639
Speaker 3: do all walk out with Kid Rock and all those

2564
01:53:48,400 --> 01:53:51,479
Speaker 3: I know you've seen that, so they're like they you know,

2565
01:53:51,520 --> 01:53:53,439
Speaker 3: they're doing all that. So just given all of the

2566
01:53:53,560 --> 01:53:56,120
Speaker 3: ceremony of the build up in general, like you know,

2567
01:53:57,680 --> 01:54:00,559
Speaker 3: it needed to it needed to be something very special

2568
01:54:00,560 --> 01:54:03,040
Speaker 3: to really appiece of the appetite that they'd set up there.

2569
01:54:03,760 --> 01:54:09,840
Speaker 2: All right next from Connor underscore malely. Any reason that

2570
01:54:09,880 --> 01:54:12,320
Speaker 2: you know, if that san Haagan didn't get the call

2571
01:54:12,360 --> 01:54:14,160
Speaker 2: for the O'Malley fight, I thought that was one was

2572
01:54:14,200 --> 01:54:17,040
Speaker 2: a certainty. Tim Welch was saying, Hey, we just take

2573
01:54:17,080 --> 01:54:19,360
Speaker 2: the fights that are offered to us. I know Corey

2574
01:54:19,400 --> 01:54:22,679
Speaker 2: Sandhagan has expressed like what the fuck? How expensive could

2575
01:54:22,680 --> 01:54:23,240
Speaker 2: it have been to.

2576
01:54:23,200 --> 01:54:24,840
Speaker 1: Get him on there? I don't know. I don't have

2577
01:54:24,840 --> 01:54:26,519
Speaker 1: a good answer for this one. I don't know the man.

2578
01:54:26,640 --> 01:54:28,240
Speaker 3: I have not talked to the camp. I will say

2579
01:54:28,240 --> 01:54:30,479
Speaker 3: that Corey is like, he's a fan of yours. He

2580
01:54:30,520 --> 01:54:32,880
Speaker 3: watches this show, and uh, the last time I talked

2581
01:54:32,880 --> 01:54:34,680
Speaker 3: to him, he talked a lot about you, Luke and stuff.

2582
01:54:34,720 --> 01:54:38,040
Speaker 3: But he is a well I mean, this is that's legit.

2583
01:54:38,120 --> 01:54:41,920
Speaker 3: He did do that, But I haven't actually talked to him.

2584
01:54:41,920 --> 01:54:43,440
Speaker 3: But he's one of those guys who sowed down to

2585
01:54:43,520 --> 01:54:45,360
Speaker 3: earth that could text him and I'm sure he would

2586
01:54:45,400 --> 01:54:47,000
Speaker 3: tell you exactly what's going on, you know what I mean?

2587
01:54:47,160 --> 01:54:49,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, that one with that one broke my heart a

2588
01:54:49,560 --> 01:54:51,280
Speaker 2: little because I was like that I wanted that felt

2589
01:54:51,320 --> 01:54:52,520
Speaker 2: accessible to me, you know.

2590
01:54:53,200 --> 01:54:55,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, I mean they've kind of like the same thing.

2591
01:54:55,200 --> 01:54:57,240
Speaker 3: They've been they they've been chirping. And I think in

2592
01:54:57,560 --> 01:54:59,560
Speaker 3: San Hagan's mind, especially like you know, that's a fight

2593
01:54:59,560 --> 01:55:01,000
Speaker 3: he's wanted for a long time.

2594
01:55:01,240 --> 01:55:02,880
Speaker 1: He thought it was Willen grasped. Get it. I have

2595
01:55:02,920 --> 01:55:05,320
Speaker 1: no idea what's going on there? Oh? May do? I

2596
01:55:05,400 --> 01:55:05,760
Speaker 1: all right?

2597
01:55:05,800 --> 01:55:09,840
Speaker 2: Next from Lord page this is not my lord?

2598
01:55:10,560 --> 01:55:11,080
Speaker 1: Uh?

2599
01:55:11,200 --> 01:55:14,520
Speaker 2: Can we start speculating on McGregor's opponent. Surely Olavera is

2600
01:55:14,520 --> 01:55:16,320
Speaker 2: out of the running, as Connor don't want that.

2601
01:55:17,520 --> 01:55:18,400
Speaker 1: If it won't be.

2602
01:55:19,000 --> 01:55:21,000
Speaker 2: It won't be Na Diaz. I mean, I don't think

2603
01:55:21,080 --> 01:55:23,880
Speaker 2: Nat Turner, Nate Diaz. Will it be a striker who

2604
01:55:23,920 --> 01:55:26,480
Speaker 2: can talk like Holloway or Hooker? Or is it gonna

2605
01:55:26,480 --> 01:55:27,000
Speaker 2: be Patty?

2606
01:55:27,560 --> 01:55:27,880
Speaker 1: Patty?

2607
01:55:27,920 --> 01:55:29,760
Speaker 2: I could see Chuck. I honestly, how do.

2608
01:55:29,720 --> 01:55:32,880
Speaker 3: You not do Nate Diaz? I think that's the one, man.

2609
01:55:33,720 --> 01:55:37,240
Speaker 3: I think that's the one, but we're falling into the

2610
01:55:37,280 --> 01:55:41,000
Speaker 3: same trap of saying, like from a from a logical

2611
01:55:41,080 --> 01:55:44,160
Speaker 3: and a fan perspective, well, you got to do that trilogy, right,

2612
01:55:44,240 --> 01:55:46,600
Speaker 3: Like that's the one you've dangled, like it broke broke

2613
01:55:46,680 --> 01:55:48,400
Speaker 3: records back in the day, you know what I mean. Like,

2614
01:55:48,440 --> 01:55:50,560
Speaker 3: it's just it's one of those things that you gotta

2615
01:55:51,040 --> 01:55:54,680
Speaker 3: have closure to and then you get we'll get something else,

2616
01:55:54,760 --> 01:55:58,600
Speaker 3: because the UFC doesn't really prioritize that that this could

2617
01:55:58,640 --> 01:56:01,360
Speaker 3: shape up like that, because I don't know how Nate,

2618
01:56:01,560 --> 01:56:04,000
Speaker 3: like seriously, like in terms of dealing with Nate at

2619
01:56:04,000 --> 01:56:05,800
Speaker 3: this juncture of his career, I don't know how easy

2620
01:56:05,840 --> 01:56:08,080
Speaker 3: that is. I like you mentioned, they can pay anybody

2621
01:56:08,080 --> 01:56:11,960
Speaker 3: any amount to make something happen. But Nate's been a

2622
01:56:11,960 --> 01:56:15,000
Speaker 3: little disgruntled this way too. I'm not sure he's just

2623
01:56:15,040 --> 01:56:18,200
Speaker 3: gonna cave in for whatever they you know. So for Penis,

2624
01:56:18,200 --> 01:56:18,840
Speaker 3: he'll probably want.

2625
01:56:18,720 --> 01:56:21,120
Speaker 1: To be seeing his tweet about the main event, Yes

2626
01:56:21,160 --> 01:56:23,360
Speaker 1: I did, that was hilarious. That didn't help things.

2627
01:56:24,600 --> 01:56:27,200
Speaker 2: Instead of BMF, he wrote boring motherfuckers.

2628
01:56:27,200 --> 01:56:29,440
Speaker 3: I was like, all right, that's the best part was

2629
01:56:29,440 --> 01:56:32,760
Speaker 3: he originally posted it just as normal no capitalization. But

2630
01:56:32,840 --> 01:56:34,200
Speaker 3: then he was like, oh wait, they won't know I'm

2631
01:56:34,200 --> 01:56:36,080
Speaker 3: talking about the MS. So he went back and fixed

2632
01:56:36,120 --> 01:56:37,800
Speaker 3: it to like capital you know, oh.

2633
01:56:37,720 --> 01:56:40,000
Speaker 1: I suppose that. Yeah, well it work. He knew what

2634
01:56:40,040 --> 01:56:41,400
Speaker 1: he was doing. It went viral.

2635
01:56:41,560 --> 01:56:43,880
Speaker 2: It worked, and then I think we have one more

2636
01:56:45,200 --> 01:56:48,919
Speaker 2: from Frankfurter sixty seven. Has something changed with UFC contracts

2637
01:56:48,960 --> 01:56:52,600
Speaker 2: and allowances to compete outside UFC? Seeing arm and wrestling

2638
01:56:52,800 --> 01:56:56,040
Speaker 2: for another organization and generating a lot of buzz would

2639
01:56:56,040 --> 01:56:58,000
Speaker 2: have never happened even a few years ago.

2640
01:56:58,080 --> 01:57:01,000
Speaker 1: Yes, it would have. There were lots of times where.

2641
01:57:00,840 --> 01:57:03,920
Speaker 2: Where, for example, they would do Metamorris Meta Morris used

2642
01:57:03,920 --> 01:57:06,400
Speaker 2: to get a lot of people's attention, and Rory McDonald

2643
01:57:06,480 --> 01:57:08,720
Speaker 2: competed on that while he was working for UFC. Or

2644
01:57:09,400 --> 01:57:12,520
Speaker 2: you know, it's the reality is chuck these outside like

2645
01:57:12,680 --> 01:57:17,360
Speaker 2: smaller composite sport events like UFCBJJ or MENI Morris or

2646
01:57:17,720 --> 01:57:19,920
Speaker 2: RAF or you know, some of those are old until

2647
01:57:19,920 --> 01:57:22,960
Speaker 2: those are new, but those are now slightly bigger than

2648
01:57:22,960 --> 01:57:25,520
Speaker 2: they used to be, and so the response you can

2649
01:57:25,560 --> 01:57:28,400
Speaker 2: get is bigger. But all of that is there is

2650
01:57:28,480 --> 01:57:31,960
Speaker 2: language and UFC contracts. They are your sole promoter for

2651
01:57:32,040 --> 01:57:35,080
Speaker 2: all of combat sports, so you can't do anything else

2652
01:57:35,120 --> 01:57:38,480
Speaker 2: without their permission. However, I think they realize Armin's gonna

2653
01:57:38,520 --> 01:57:41,400
Speaker 2: go ham either in the training room or somewhere else,

2654
01:57:42,000 --> 01:57:42,600
Speaker 2: might as well have.

2655
01:57:42,600 --> 01:57:43,680
Speaker 1: Him just go do the other shit.

2656
01:57:43,760 --> 01:57:46,080
Speaker 3: It's the biggest difference. Like, you're right, guys have been

2657
01:57:46,080 --> 01:57:47,880
Speaker 3: doing something like this for a long time. But the

2658
01:57:47,920 --> 01:57:50,640
Speaker 3: biggest difference is that RAF actually has pretty good spotlight

2659
01:57:50,680 --> 01:57:53,320
Speaker 3: on them, and they've had enough UFC fighters come through

2660
01:57:53,360 --> 01:57:56,120
Speaker 3: now where people are paying attention as a crossover thing.

2661
01:57:56,280 --> 01:57:58,320
Speaker 3: I think Morob is signed up for one coming up.

2662
01:57:58,360 --> 01:58:01,400
Speaker 3: I mean, so they've do a good job of you know,

2663
01:58:01,920 --> 01:58:04,400
Speaker 3: figuring that out, but the fighters themselves seem to seem

2664
01:58:04,440 --> 01:58:06,880
Speaker 3: to dig, you know, dipping their toe in that.

2665
01:58:07,440 --> 01:58:09,680
Speaker 2: I rarely am like, oh, I gotta go see a show.

2666
01:58:09,760 --> 01:58:12,520
Speaker 2: I want to in person. I want to see it. Yeah, yeah,

2667
01:58:12,760 --> 01:58:15,120
Speaker 2: have you been to one? I have not been to one.

2668
01:58:15,320 --> 01:58:17,160
Speaker 3: Uh I that for the very first one though I

2669
01:58:17,200 --> 01:58:20,280
Speaker 3: talked to like uh is his name Chad Bronstein and

2670
01:58:20,320 --> 01:58:22,360
Speaker 3: like some of the like some of the brass about

2671
01:58:22,400 --> 01:58:24,760
Speaker 3: their vision and they've upheld everything they said they're going

2672
01:58:24,800 --> 01:58:26,360
Speaker 3: to do it. And then some like you know a

2673
01:58:26,400 --> 01:58:28,280
Speaker 3: lot of times. You hear the blowhards in this industry

2674
01:58:28,320 --> 01:58:31,480
Speaker 3: all the time. They start something out, they're unable to

2675
01:58:31,560 --> 01:58:33,960
Speaker 3: kind of follow through on what they're trying to do.

2676
01:58:34,000 --> 01:58:37,120
Speaker 3: But these guys have done everything and like you know,

2677
01:58:37,320 --> 01:58:40,800
Speaker 3: times ten, they just keep going. So good for them. Man, Yeah,

2678
01:58:40,920 --> 01:58:42,440
Speaker 3: it would be fun to go check one out though.

2679
01:58:42,480 --> 01:58:45,480
Speaker 3: It would be fun. It looks like a cool atmosphere. Yeah,

2680
01:58:45,560 --> 01:58:47,400
Speaker 3: all right, there you have it. There is that one

2681
01:58:47,480 --> 01:58:47,960
Speaker 3: as well.

2682
01:58:48,160 --> 01:58:48,680
Speaker 1: Anything else?

2683
01:58:48,720 --> 01:58:51,240
Speaker 2: I think that's it right, all right, yeah, that's it,

2684
01:58:51,600 --> 01:58:53,920
Speaker 2: all right, Nat, we haven't done this one in a

2685
01:58:53,960 --> 01:58:54,640
Speaker 2: little while.

2686
01:58:55,040 --> 01:58:58,960
Speaker 1: We pull this up here. Let's go to fan subs.

2687
01:58:59,080 --> 01:59:05,600
Speaker 1: Let's do it. You've got mail fure the Dulcin Tones

2688
01:59:05,640 --> 01:59:07,280
Speaker 1: of one. Jeffney Pierre.

2689
01:59:07,440 --> 01:59:09,680
Speaker 4: I just want to remind everyone we are doing a

2690
01:59:09,720 --> 01:59:13,240
Speaker 4: meme contest for the month. Winner gets the autograph poster,

2691
01:59:13,400 --> 01:59:16,080
Speaker 4: so you could send him in anytime. Every fan sub

2692
01:59:16,080 --> 01:59:18,920
Speaker 4: we're showing today is eligible for the running, but anyone

2693
01:59:18,960 --> 01:59:22,240
Speaker 4: you send him between now and Sunday, March twenty ninth

2694
01:59:22,280 --> 01:59:23,240
Speaker 4: will reveal the winner.

2695
01:59:23,320 --> 01:59:25,160
Speaker 1: Monday, March thirtieth, you get.

2696
01:59:25,080 --> 01:59:28,920
Speaker 2: A free signed poster. Morning Coombat at gmail dot com.

2697
01:59:28,920 --> 01:59:31,280
Speaker 2: Morning Coombat at gmail dot com is gonna be the

2698
01:59:31,280 --> 01:59:34,880
Speaker 2: place to get those in. All right, let's go number one. Uh,

2699
01:59:35,080 --> 01:59:39,360
Speaker 2: this is from John McClain. He says, I'm coming for

2700
01:59:39,400 --> 01:59:42,160
Speaker 2: that sign poster. Here is Luke when someone invites him

2701
01:59:42,200 --> 01:59:43,360
Speaker 2: to attend a football game.

2702
01:59:44,760 --> 01:59:49,200
Speaker 1: I don't get it. Just like you're not interested. I

2703
01:59:49,240 --> 01:59:52,000
Speaker 1: guess not interested. Oh you mean like an NFL game? Yeah, NFL,

2704
01:59:52,080 --> 01:59:54,280
Speaker 1: he's talking. Yeah, yeah, come yeah, I mean America.

2705
01:59:54,600 --> 01:59:56,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I'd rather just I'd rather just die

2706
01:59:56,720 --> 02:00:00,320
Speaker 2: than go to an NFL game. All right, there's there's

2707
02:00:00,360 --> 02:00:05,080
Speaker 2: three photos. Hate Burt Kreischer, hate Cake, Lady decisions decisions. Yes,

2708
02:00:06,000 --> 02:00:07,600
Speaker 2: this is indeed a very difficult choice.

2709
02:00:07,600 --> 02:00:08,920
Speaker 1: This is good. I like this one better.

2710
02:00:09,240 --> 02:00:11,960
Speaker 2: And then last but not least, BC from CBS watching

2711
02:00:11,960 --> 02:00:12,840
Speaker 2: an episode of MK.

2712
02:00:15,000 --> 02:00:17,640
Speaker 1: That's true. No, dude, he texts me.

2713
02:00:17,720 --> 02:00:19,560
Speaker 2: He text me he loves he still watches the show.

2714
02:00:19,600 --> 02:00:20,200
Speaker 1: He loves it.

2715
02:00:20,560 --> 02:00:22,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm sure. I mean I can't speak for him,

2716
02:00:22,720 --> 02:00:24,320
Speaker 2: but I'm pretty sure. Like he can't wait to come

2717
02:00:24,360 --> 02:00:27,520
Speaker 2: back and guest host. Like, don't worry, he's he's still

2718
02:00:27,560 --> 02:00:29,879
Speaker 2: all bored with that's pretty funny. It says two videos

2719
02:00:29,880 --> 02:00:34,040
Speaker 2: though Long Island Luke five minutes before going to live

2720
02:00:34,080 --> 02:00:34,400
Speaker 2: on MK.

2721
02:00:34,760 --> 02:00:37,920
Speaker 4: Hell, yes, this is completely inaccurate because I don't know

2722
02:00:37,920 --> 02:00:38,360
Speaker 4: in a van.

2723
02:00:39,520 --> 02:00:42,920
Speaker 1: Everything else though, all right, that's good, all right? I

2724
02:00:43,000 --> 02:00:45,480
Speaker 1: like that one. Oh and then wait, you got to

2725
02:00:45,480 --> 02:00:47,600
Speaker 1: read the message for the next one before the second one,

2726
02:00:47,600 --> 02:00:48,000
Speaker 1: Long Island.

2727
02:00:48,080 --> 02:00:50,680
Speaker 2: Luke, you did an awesome job co hosting. Here's my

2728
02:00:50,720 --> 02:00:51,880
Speaker 2: favorite segment of the show.

2729
02:00:56,160 --> 02:00:59,280
Speaker 1: Is this AI? Yeah? No, Luke, I just passed you

2730
02:00:59,360 --> 02:01:02,680
Speaker 1: with Johnny Purchase. I'm like, what the fuck is this?

2731
02:01:03,160 --> 02:01:05,360
Speaker 1: My face gets super weird when I turn That looks

2732
02:01:05,440 --> 02:01:07,720
Speaker 1: nothing like me. It's fucking weird as own books face

2733
02:01:08,080 --> 02:01:09,120
Speaker 1: a little bit there, Yeah.

2734
02:01:09,000 --> 02:01:12,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, mine's mine's you know what AI on occasion. I mean,

2735
02:01:12,280 --> 02:01:14,880
Speaker 2: I'm glad that some trees in the rainforest had to

2736
02:01:14,920 --> 02:01:15,600
Speaker 2: die for that video.

2737
02:01:15,640 --> 02:01:18,480
Speaker 1: But that was pretty good. All right.

2738
02:01:18,720 --> 02:01:21,600
Speaker 2: We got a couple of memes here from Tanner b. Hey, Luke,

2739
02:01:22,000 --> 02:01:23,960
Speaker 2: if you're gonna be nixing a couple of tats and

2740
02:01:24,000 --> 02:01:26,760
Speaker 2: aren't quite sure what you even like these days, why

2741
02:01:26,800 --> 02:01:29,320
Speaker 2: not slap something on your body that you're truly passionate about,

2742
02:01:29,360 --> 02:01:32,280
Speaker 2: something that when you experience it, it makes you go, Holy fuck.

2743
02:01:32,320 --> 02:01:34,720
Speaker 2: Who are the geniuses who put this all together? Take

2744
02:01:34,800 --> 02:01:40,880
Speaker 2: my rough amtrack sketch into consideration, not bad and if

2745
02:01:40,920 --> 02:01:43,400
Speaker 2: ink is a bridge too far, why not at least

2746
02:01:43,480 --> 02:01:47,400
Speaker 2: cop a snug graphic t rock on boys. My sources

2747
02:01:47,400 --> 02:01:50,520
Speaker 2: in the rail industry have confirmed Amtrak rules.

2748
02:01:52,800 --> 02:01:58,040
Speaker 1: It's a decent bit. It's a decent bit. Isn't that

2749
02:01:58,080 --> 02:02:02,600
Speaker 1: the Anthrax like they're they're font or whatever? Oh?

2750
02:02:02,680 --> 02:02:04,840
Speaker 2: Yes, but the way I saw Anthrax in person once

2751
02:02:04,880 --> 02:02:05,520
Speaker 2: you've ever seen them?

2752
02:02:05,600 --> 02:02:07,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I saw him once a long time. But you

2753
02:02:07,240 --> 02:02:10,160
Speaker 3: think I like Scottie ian Man, he's out with a

2754
02:02:10,240 --> 02:02:10,720
Speaker 3: bouncing around.

2755
02:02:10,720 --> 02:02:12,880
Speaker 1: But it was fun. I saw him with Iron Maiden.

2756
02:02:12,880 --> 02:02:15,480
Speaker 1: Do you remember that tour? It was like, like Area

2757
02:02:15,560 --> 02:02:16,000
Speaker 1: Tour is.

2758
02:02:16,040 --> 02:02:18,280
Speaker 2: So like that kind of metal, like Iron Maiden shit

2759
02:02:18,520 --> 02:02:19,640
Speaker 2: and like Mega Death.

2760
02:02:20,440 --> 02:02:23,360
Speaker 1: I agree, not my shit at all.

2761
02:02:23,760 --> 02:02:25,480
Speaker 2: You know what the reality is, People like will show

2762
02:02:25,520 --> 02:02:28,240
Speaker 2: me any kind of metal and they'll be like, oh,

2763
02:02:28,280 --> 02:02:29,960
Speaker 2: you're a metal fan, you like this. I'm like, no,

2764
02:02:30,040 --> 02:02:34,800
Speaker 2: I actually hate most forms of metal, actually Renaissance fair

2765
02:02:34,880 --> 02:02:38,840
Speaker 2: metal or like Viking metal. These are all worthless human

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Speaker 2: beings who like this show. You know, we have another

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Speaker 2: note here from him. He says, Wow, guys, can't wait

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Speaker 2: for the best card of all time? Freedom two fifty

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Speaker 2: on the Mexican cut White House Lawn brought to you

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Speaker 2: by Ice. It says, please, wait, what what is this note?

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Speaker 2: You guys made me read like a semi weird maybe

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Speaker 2: racist note. I don't even know what the fuck that.

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Speaker 1: He's got white house card memes?

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Speaker 2: All right, all right, so here's one, please, sir, I've

2775
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Speaker 2: toiled for four years. May I finally have some Connor McGregor.

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02:03:08,360 --> 02:03:10,520
Speaker 2: The best I can do is Brazilian Connor McGregor.

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Speaker 1: Good, that's true.

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02:03:13,000 --> 02:03:15,040
Speaker 2: He does fight like Brazilian Connor McGregor.

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Speaker 1: That's funny.

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Speaker 2: Here's another one, Dana, I got a fever and the

2781
02:03:18,040 --> 02:03:20,080
Speaker 2: only prescription is more Americans.

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Speaker 4: All right, you also skipped number two, Luke, we gotta

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Speaker 4: go back to number two. Well the other one go

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02:03:26,720 --> 02:03:29,520
Speaker 4: back to it no meaning those are all of tanners, but.

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Speaker 1: You still skip.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, sorry, sorry, okay, Let's go now to Genghis Bong.

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Speaker 2: Everyone loves seeing Papa donk live. I mean, just look

2788
02:03:37,680 --> 02:03:40,760
Speaker 2: at that crowd cut my life into pieces. There goes

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Speaker 2: my last pair of shorts into feces.

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Speaker 4: Also, you have to look at everyone in the crowd.

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Speaker 4: He put faces on everyone like there's.

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Speaker 1: Oh my God, Yeah, there's there's Shack.

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Speaker 2: John Jones is here several times, I'm there's Joe's are Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, where are you Chuck? I'm I'm on the left hand.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's go.

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Speaker 3: I see Coppinger's in there. Who else we got? Man, No,

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Speaker 3: I don't see Coppinger in there.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he sent these in before the cop thing. But

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Speaker 4: he does have another one that's the exact same meme.

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Speaker 2: But I just did a normal bodily function, and now

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Speaker 2: I'm going to tell the whole world at least forty

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Speaker 2: nine times because poop stuff is a big part of

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Speaker 2: my personality.

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Speaker 1: This is, in fact a fair critique.

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Speaker 2: My wife says the same thing. She's like, why do

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02:04:26,360 --> 02:04:28,120
Speaker 2: you tell me this stuff? And I'm like, I'm deeply

2807
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Speaker 2: invested in it.

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Speaker 1: All right.

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Speaker 2: We got one here. One meme from rj BC realizing

2810
02:04:37,240 --> 02:04:40,080
Speaker 2: he can't make Damien Penis jokes anymore because he's not

2811
02:04:40,120 --> 02:04:44,080
Speaker 2: an or BC realizing he can't make Damien Penis jokes

2812
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Speaker 2: because he's not an MK anymore. Yes, but he needs

2813
02:04:46,600 --> 02:04:48,879
Speaker 2: to have a more forlorn look, because he would really.

2814
02:04:48,640 --> 02:04:52,880
Speaker 3: Be saddening, you know what I mean, way too buttoned

2815
02:04:52,960 --> 02:04:54,480
Speaker 3: up over there at CBS. Man, they're gonna have to

2816
02:04:54,560 --> 02:04:55,920
Speaker 3: let the kid be himself for a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Let him get on there and make some armpit fart noises.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Loves it all right?

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Speaker 2: From anonymous, we have one photo telling.

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Speaker 1: My kids this was ice. How old do you hear?

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Speaker 1: I don't know, like early twenties something like that. I'm

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Speaker 1: not even sure.

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Speaker 2: Ugly as shit, ue talented zero. Thank you, dad, I

2824
02:05:20,200 --> 02:05:22,360
Speaker 2: appreciate that. Very nice of you to chime in here

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Speaker 2: on my show. And then, last but not least, we

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Speaker 2: got a photo from me and he says, shout out

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Speaker 2: to m K from day one of the March sumo

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Speaker 2: tournament held in Osaka. Job, that's cool, man, rep my

2829
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Speaker 2: city with the excellent new merch really enjoying the new

2830
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Speaker 2: era of MK. Look at Ian here and freaking dude,

2831
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Speaker 2: this is the How cool that is?

2832
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Speaker 1: In Japan? What's that?

2833
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Speaker 2: Isn't this the dream to go watch sumo in Japan?

2834
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Speaker 1: I would love to do that. Yeah? Have you have

2835
02:05:50,760 --> 02:05:53,360
Speaker 1: you been to Japan? I've never even been to Japan. No.

2836
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Speaker 2: I will say that during the Pride Heyday and then

2837
02:05:57,080 --> 02:05:59,840
Speaker 2: even during Dream and Sengoku to not have been able

2838
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Speaker 2: to watch a show there.

2839
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Speaker 1: To me, it feels like a really missed opportunity.

2840
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Speaker 3: It especially now, Like at first I was like, ah,

2841
02:06:05,840 --> 02:06:08,000
Speaker 3: you know whatever, but like as time has gone on,

2842
02:06:08,080 --> 02:06:10,360
Speaker 3: now that twenty years has passed, I'm like, I really

2843
02:06:10,400 --> 02:06:11,600
Speaker 3: wish I could have done that once.

2844
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Speaker 2: I mean, don't get me wrong, I would still go

2845
02:06:13,960 --> 02:06:17,960
Speaker 2: and see Dream, but Dude, Pride was filling up much

2846
02:06:17,960 --> 02:06:20,880
Speaker 2: bigger arenas for much bigger show we do Pride. Dude

2847
02:06:20,920 --> 02:06:24,160
Speaker 2: shows in the fucking Tokyo Dome. I know, you like,

2848
02:06:24,480 --> 02:06:27,800
Speaker 2: it's a different level, you know what I'm saying? Uh,

2849
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Speaker 2: is that out? That's all the that's all the fan subs,

2850
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Speaker 2: that's all of them. They were pretty good. They were

2851
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Speaker 2: very very good. All right, thank you guys so much

2852
02:06:36,040 --> 02:06:38,080
Speaker 2: for sending those in. By the way, morningcombat at gmail

2853
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Speaker 2: dot com, Morningcombat at gmail dot com. That'll be for

2854
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Speaker 2: fan subs to reach the show Dead Wrongs, which are

2855
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Speaker 2: still doing is well.

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Speaker 1: We did those last Friday.

2857
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Speaker 2: And by the way, you know, if Chuck got something wrong,

2858
02:06:47,520 --> 02:06:49,600
Speaker 2: which is not often but it does happen, you can

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Speaker 2: light there as well.

2860
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Speaker 1: Say again, it's more often than you think, Luke, I mean,

2861
02:06:55,480 --> 02:06:56,640
Speaker 1: you're always right in my home.

2862
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Speaker 2: All right, Let's see, we got the merch Morning Combat

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Speaker 2: Shop Morningcombat Dot Shop for all of the different merch

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Speaker 2: that's available, and I didn't mention it before the fan subs.

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Speaker 2: Of course, the signed free poster will go in there

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Speaker 2: as well, but it's all part of March. By the way,

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Speaker 2: these designs are only available until March thirty first at

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Speaker 2: eleven fifty nine pm. And this, of course is the

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Speaker 2: Bachelor Slash Trasher Slash t Shirt hoodie March exclusive from

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Speaker 2: our friends, our friend, I should say it average Joe

2871
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Speaker 2: Art A lot to do there on today's show. We

2872
02:07:26,840 --> 02:07:29,080
Speaker 2: really appreciate everyone coming through and checking out all the

2873
02:07:29,080 --> 02:07:32,080
Speaker 2: stuff that we have for them. Back on Friday. Danny

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Speaker 2: Segura in studio. Not in studio, but I'm saying in

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Speaker 2: this chair to get you ready for Friday's Kevin che

2876
02:07:38,440 --> 02:07:41,160
Speaker 2: host and Josh Emmett fight.

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Speaker 1: Chuck. Yeah, what do you got going on content?

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02:07:44,440 --> 02:07:47,040
Speaker 3: Well, we have the new pound for pound rankings, which

2879
02:07:47,080 --> 02:07:48,880
Speaker 3: I don't think really have a big shake up over

2880
02:07:48,920 --> 02:07:52,560
Speaker 3: at Uncrowned for MMA, but we got that running today.

2881
02:07:52,600 --> 02:07:54,200
Speaker 3: I'll have a column later in the week and I'll

2882
02:07:54,240 --> 02:07:56,600
Speaker 3: be with pt on Friday on the crack as usual.

2883
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Speaker 1: There you have it, Long Island, what you got going on.

2884
02:08:01,640 --> 02:08:05,040
Speaker 4: I'll have a bet break down out tomorrow, prop Quiz Friday,

2885
02:08:05,400 --> 02:08:07,880
Speaker 4: Baine and Bond. Finally we'll see who makes it to

2886
02:08:07,920 --> 02:08:10,480
Speaker 4: the final against You know, if you haven't seen the episode,

2887
02:08:10,480 --> 02:08:11,600
Speaker 4: I won't spoil it, Chucked.

2888
02:08:11,760 --> 02:08:12,840
Speaker 1: You know it's a good day.

2889
02:08:14,560 --> 02:08:16,200
Speaker 4: And then I'll be a full card watch along Saturday

2890
02:08:16,240 --> 02:08:20,280
Speaker 4: for UFC Vegas one fourteen, everyone's most hyped anticipated card

2891
02:08:20,320 --> 02:08:21,800
Speaker 4: of the year, so you know I'll be there.

2892
02:08:22,520 --> 02:08:24,800
Speaker 3: I had Michiu on the ropes last time I was

2893
02:08:24,840 --> 02:08:26,240
Speaker 3: on Pop Quaz. I had them on the ropes and

2894
02:08:26,240 --> 02:08:26,960
Speaker 3: then I let them off.

2895
02:08:27,000 --> 02:08:27,160
Speaker 11: Man.

2896
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Speaker 1: You know you gotta step on their neck. Chuck, I

2897
02:08:31,040 --> 02:08:32,920
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Yeah, all right.

2898
02:08:32,960 --> 02:08:35,400
Speaker 2: Appreciate everyone tuning in today. Thank you guys so much.

2899
02:08:35,400 --> 02:08:38,040
Speaker 2: Thanks for everyone who's sent in fan subs and everything else.

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Speaker 2: We really appreciate all of you.

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Speaker 1: Guys.

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02:08:40,120 --> 02:08:41,960
Speaker 2: We're out of here, so we'll see you on Friday

2903
02:08:42,000 --> 02:08:44,400
Speaker 2: for Chuck for a long Hole and Luke. I'm Luke Thomas.

2904
02:08:44,600 --> 02:08:46,320
Speaker 2: See you guys next time, and until then, may all

2905
02:08:46,360 --> 02:08:47,520
Speaker 2: of your gains be Lord