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Speaker 1: Ryan Mallett. Welcome back to another edition of the Around

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Speaker 1: what what kind of running game you' is supposed to have? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I think this is about the running game. You're right.

427
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Speaker 1: It was just a year or two ago that we're

428
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Speaker 1: writing all these glowing offseason articles about Frank Reich and

429
00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:34,840
Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks is talking to his San Diego contacts and

430
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Speaker 1: going down there and they all love him. They're gonna

431
00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:40,240
Speaker 1: have this high flying, high octane, no huddle offense and

432
00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:43,400
Speaker 1: everybody gets injured. How can you properly grade the guy,

433
00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:46,760
Speaker 1: especially on the offensive line. This was the job that

434
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Speaker 1: Sean Payton had circled, along with the Indianapolis job, as

435
00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:54,159
Speaker 1: the one that he wanted the most, because both of

436
00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:57,359
Speaker 1: those places had franchise quarterbacks and neither one ended up

437
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Speaker 1: to Tennessee. Yeah, neither one ended up becoming available. This

438
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:02,639
Speaker 1: screams to me that they want to bring Ken wizzen

439
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,320
Speaker 1: Hunt back maybe and would make sense, and the team

440
00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:09,200
Speaker 1: did file for relocation officially in that interview. If you're

441
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Speaker 1: a longtime football fan of just reading the statements and

442
00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:15,360
Speaker 1: watching the interview with Spanos, or watch reading the ram

443
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:17,719
Speaker 1: statement it's something else. I don't know. It really hit

444
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:21,120
Speaker 1: me when I read that Rams statement, just saying it's

445
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:23,639
Speaker 1: just it's crazy. It's an unprecedented thing, at least in

446
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:25,560
Speaker 1: my time, you know, covering the NFL, certainly in the

447
00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:29,000
Speaker 1: last twenty years. Let's move up the coast to the

448
00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:33,520
Speaker 1: Bay Area, where UH forty CEO Jed York announced Monday

449
00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:37,119
Speaker 1: that Trent Balki will remain in place as the team's

450
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:39,760
Speaker 1: general manager. Balki has been with the team since two

451
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:44,480
Speaker 1: thousand five. Um. He will UH lead the organizations search

452
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Speaker 1: for a new coach to replace UH the Patsy Jim Tomsula. UM.

453
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,520
Speaker 1: You know, Jed York not a popular figure right now

454
00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:55,600
Speaker 1: up up in the Bay Area, and I guess he

455
00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:57,159
Speaker 1: doesn't want to blow up the whole thing, so he's

456
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Speaker 1: keeping Balki in the building and hoping they can find

457
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Speaker 1: a guy, a coach that's more to their liking this

458
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:05,320
Speaker 1: time around. I put them the number six most attractive

459
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:08,879
Speaker 1: coaching vacancy out of six Davier Brown's a little bit

460
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:12,560
Speaker 1: of love by putting that there at number five, because

461
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:16,439
Speaker 1: so much pressure with this job, high expectations. You're in

462
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:18,679
Speaker 1: a division with the Seahawks and the Cardinals, and you

463
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:22,600
Speaker 1: have unrealistic expectations from Jed York who just fired one

464
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Speaker 1: of the most successful first time head coaches of all

465
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Speaker 1: time in Jim Harbor, and then, as you said, fired

466
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Speaker 1: Is Patsy after one year. I think it's a it's

467
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Speaker 1: a toxic situation, potentially not a great ros Be honest,

468
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Speaker 1: Be honest. How much did Mark factor into you not

469
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Speaker 1: putting the Browns laft? It was a factor, was the

470
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Speaker 1: main factor. It was a factor. You need to reassess

471
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Speaker 1: why you're skirting the issue with me and the Browns. Like,

472
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Speaker 1: I'm not arguing you that's by far the worst job

473
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Speaker 1: you wouldn't It's a little it's a little complicated. I

474
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 1: have a healthy amount of feed on this point. I

475
00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:59,720
Speaker 1: I really do think, I hope you really do think

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Speaker 1: that expectations matter to me. Expectations are wildly low in Cleveland,

477
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:07,680
Speaker 1: which you want to work for a guy who fired

478
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 1: Jim Harbor and chose Trent Balky over him? No, thank you? Yeah,

479
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,199
Speaker 1: I'm with Greg on that. Well. One last thing on

480
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:17,959
Speaker 1: the press conference was very strange and not that Haslam

481
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:19,239
Speaker 1: is going to keep around for more than a year

482
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 1: or two either West, but press conference with the owner

483
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:27,639
Speaker 1: was spent mostly apologizing and saying that he was not

484
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:30,119
Speaker 1: going to use Twitter the same way with his little

485
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:32,960
Speaker 1: snarky comments, saying, you know what, I've learned a lot.

486
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 1: I mean, he's clearly learning on the job, and so

487
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,840
Speaker 1: keeping one, keeping the GM around one of the few

488
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:40,280
Speaker 1: guys that knows football that he can trust made sense.

489
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:41,880
Speaker 1: It would have been weird to see him clean house.

490
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,359
Speaker 1: He just is not experienced enough to probably even know

491
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Speaker 1: who to pick. If you watch the press conference, you

492
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:51,360
Speaker 1: can actually hear the San Francisco area Beat reporters sharpening

493
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 1: their teeth. That's a that's a sneaky like feisty beat. Well,

494
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,359
Speaker 1: they have been you right, they have been angry all season.

495
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:00,760
Speaker 1: They don't found that outlet. They start a little heat

496
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,920
Speaker 1: with us, They have all sorts. It's time for them

497
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 1: to relax. Then they don't like York that came across.

498
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 1: I mean they went after him. I think that's a

499
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,680
Speaker 1: little personal there. It's gotten personal moving on, you know,

500
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,439
Speaker 1: I hope it wasn't personal with Runston, rust and Webster,

501
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 1: but he is out In Tennessee, the Tight Tunes have

502
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 1: fired their general manager. Um, who you know had the

503
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Speaker 1: sense to stay in the number two pick and grab

504
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:34,199
Speaker 1: Marcus Mariota, usually something that should give a GM some

505
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,680
Speaker 1: job security. But you know, when you're talking about the Titans,

506
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:40,160
Speaker 1: they were just a disaster in the regular season. Uh

507
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 1: this past season, they decided they had to make the move.

508
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:44,920
Speaker 1: So not only did they fire their head coach, Ken

509
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,359
Speaker 1: Wizzen Hunt had mid season, now the GM is out

510
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 1: uh Webster. Uh. During his four year tenure, the team

511
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 1: went eighteen and forty six. So with that type of

512
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Speaker 1: record and again the number one overall pick this time

513
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 1: instead of number two, they decided they didn't want Webster

514
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Speaker 1: being in charge of that. And in other news, with

515
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Speaker 1: the Titans, the titoons, that's all you you, that's all

516
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 1: you get, because you don't deserve more. Mike Malarkey has

517
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:14,440
Speaker 1: a legitimate chance to be retained as the inter as

518
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Speaker 1: the coach, the interim coach. This from a rap sheet.

519
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you what I joked on this very

520
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 1: podcast a couple weeks about ago that he wouldn't even

521
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:24,119
Speaker 1: get like a cursory interview because they were so terrible

522
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,479
Speaker 1: under him. Obviously they weren't playing hard. I know, it's

523
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 1: a tough situation, but Malarkey shouldn't even be considered, and

524
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Speaker 1: they want to keep them potentially yikes, it's you know

525
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:33,679
Speaker 1: when this when they fired what Webster. This may have

526
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 1: been a smart move on their part, well, for multiple

527
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 1: layers and reasons. But there was reports that a lot

528
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 1: of people were contacting the Titans saying we're interested in

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00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,920
Speaker 1: both the coach and the GM slots. Now maybe that's

530
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:49,159
Speaker 1: all agents speak and nonsense, but that's the power of

531
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Speaker 1: when you get Marcus Mariota and you have the number

532
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:53,439
Speaker 1: one pick, you don't have to pick a quarterback. You

533
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 1: can build around your quarterback. This is an attractive landing spot,

534
00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:00,399
Speaker 1: I'd say, but they have they have so many layers

535
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 1: of leadership. It's almost like Cleveland. They've got forty five

536
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 1: thousand vice presidents. They got the guy with the hair

537
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,399
Speaker 1: and the mustache and the glasses, the crest of him,

538
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 1: I mean, and not one of those trunks, not the

539
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 1: man that's a woman, but the rest of them. Please,

540
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 1: it's a shame. This franchise is unmoored to the point

541
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 1: where I believe they're trying to sell it. So the

542
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 1: thinking is, well, why don't we just keep Malarkey around

543
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:21,440
Speaker 1: for another year until we get a new owner in here.

544
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,200
Speaker 1: That's a shame because I think it's with Marcus Marietta,

545
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:28,439
Speaker 1: who Brian Rackpo told Albert Brier for sure is a

546
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 1: franchise quarterback, and Delaney Walker made several comments those guys

547
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,880
Speaker 1: totally believe in him, and they have the number one

548
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 1: overall pick. I agree with Mark, it would be a

549
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 1: very attractive job if there was stability up top. I

550
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 1: put it number one. It was a risk, it's a

551
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 1: It's probably the highest risk, highest reward job. Put it

552
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 1: ahead of the Giants and the Eagles because those franchise

553
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 1: quarterbacks are your golden tickets to tabulas. You never know.

554
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 1: He might not pan out, but I think you just

555
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 1: got to take the chance that you could ride a

556
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 1: top five quarterback. Let we pretend I know what that means.

557
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 1: But if you want tails help help me and a

558
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 1: lot of the audience at home, go ahead. So blank Stone,

559
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 1: you get to paint whatever aren't you want on there

560
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 1: because he got got Mariota number one pick you're starting from.

561
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 1: I got the real life Cliff Clave into my left,

562
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 1: and you have a media conglomerate that's not going to

563
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 1: eat you up. I mean it's a very easy place

564
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 1: the team. It's literally one guy, Jim Wyatt, and the

565
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 1: team then hired him to work for them for the website,

566
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 1: So that's pretty friendly him entitens Amy struck. Bill Parcels

567
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 1: was no dope. He always looked for the team that

568
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 1: was at the lowest. That's when he would go in

569
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 1: to save the day. There's no way to not improve

570
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 1: a team that's won five games combined over the last

571
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Speaker 1: two years. So you're getting in at the bottom and

572
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 1: you're gonna be a hero if you What made Marcel's

573
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 1: great was that he didn't just build that team into

574
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Speaker 1: the title contenders. That's why Bill Parcels is better than

575
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick West. Nobody ever accused Bill Bill Parcels are

576
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 1: being a patsy better than Bill Belichick thinks that I do,

577
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 1: so deal with it. Uh. Moving on, Let's talk about

578
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 1: the Miami Dolphins front office structure and I'll tell you what.

579
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 1: Mike Tannebaum is a friend of the podcast, and uh,

580
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 1: you know, he's a personable guy. You know we've bumped

581
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 1: into him at league events. Super friendly. Remember his names

582
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 1: always remembers that Greg went to Tulane all that stuff. Well,

583
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 1: Greg emails him once a month or with the resonator.

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Speaker 1: I just know that the emails just in big block letters.

585
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 1: I went to Tulane too. That's good. Hoping to get

586
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 1: the GM job in Miami. This guy, you we're talking

587
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 1: about some fangs, Mike. He's got some fangs behind the

588
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 1: scenes because he wont He won an internal power struggle

589
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 1: from UH Bill Parcels and and he took down Dennis Hickey.

590
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 1: There was a kiss him in that organization with some

591
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 1: people siding with Hickey and uh others siding with Mr T.

592
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 1: Mr T won that battle and now he is the

593
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 1: a lot. We got a lot of good information from

594
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Speaker 1: Jeff Darlington who filed a good column over the weekend

595
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 1: breaking it down. But uh he now was essentially the

596
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 1: football's are in charge of all the big picture decisions

597
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 1: for the Dolphins tan Obama. Is he hired or the

598
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 1: Dolphins hired on Monday Chris Greer or promoted Chris Greer

599
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 1: as the general manager. But really his duties will be

600
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 1: to serve as kind of like the scouting guy, which

601
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 1: is a little bit of a Tanabam blind spot. So

602
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 1: he'll handle those duties. Uh. I think um Donna Ponte

603
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 1: is still in the in the picture. They needed to

604
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 1: sort this stuff out, that's what they're trying to do.

605
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 1: But it is Mike Tanabaum who is the big cheese

606
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 1: in that organization. Now he's got to find a way

607
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 1: to fix it. Uh with that quarterback. He gave a

608
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 1: lot of money to guaranteed money. That changes a little

609
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 1: bit what you would think in terms of a head

610
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 1: coach that would be coming there. Sean Payton, for instance,

611
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 1: was supposedly not interested. Who knows if he, you know,

612
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 1: was if they were interested in him. They've interviewed Mike Smith,

613
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 1: who Ian rappids they have us is a serious candidate.

614
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 1: So imagine replacing Joe Philbin with Mike Smith. Did they

615
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 1: watch the wiser Wider Net than Mike Smith? Oh, no,

616
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 1: they are. They're they're interviewing a number of people, including

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00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 1: Mike Shanahan, which is another that one doesn't make sense

618
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 1: to me either, because why would you win this holy

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00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 1: war within your organization to win power and then bring

620
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 1: in Shanahan who has won eleven and five season away

621
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 1: from like wiping you out when on a power play.

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00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 1: I wouldn't do that. I mean, I think Shannahan's a

623
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 1: guy with win a little bit of space, his reputation

624
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 1: just gets bigger and bigger. I think he's a good coach.

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00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 1: You had a lot of bad seasons with the Red

626
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 1: I think he was like the Chip Kelly on steroids,

627
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 1: where he was a very good coach that was terrible

628
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 1: as a personnel guy and always had too much power.

629
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Speaker 1: But if you could somehow isolate just the coaching, you know,

630
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 1: I think he was a tough guy to prepare for.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna I just realized on a handsome Hank, who

632
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 1: of course is the not co host that would be

633
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 1: too strong. But he is, uh Dave's sidekick, that's a

634
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 1: little too weak, something in between the yeah that's fair

635
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 1: on the Dave Damage like football program, big Dolphins fan,

636
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 1: and he would often um in a derisive way, in

637
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Speaker 1: a mocking way, refer to the general manager as the

638
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Speaker 1: hickster as then the hickster will get everything right in

639
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 1: the end. Now we don't get to hear that anymore.

640
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 1: Todd Haley, next Dolphins coach. Interesting where they've got You've

641
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 1: got uh tannem bombs from the Bill Parcel coaching tree.

642
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 1: Haley's from the Parcels coaching tree, and right behind Fergie

643
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 1: and Gloria Stefan and the Dolphins power structure. Is Bill

644
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 1: Parcel still looming as a consultant. He's ahead of the

645
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Speaker 1: Miami sound machine and behind pit ball. He's like right

646
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 1: in the Sandwich great organization. Let's uh talk about Sean

647
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 1: Payton for a second here, Um, what is going on

648
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 1: with Sean Payton? He is on some level the bell

649
00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 1: of the ball, or maybe just to appears that way.

650
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:03,479
Speaker 1: It's a lot of stuff going on behind the scenes.

651
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 1: According to the rap sheet, Um, the Saints are seeking

652
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 1: a second round pick for peyton um in any deal

653
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 1: that would send their coach elsewhere. Um, that seems like

654
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 1: a lot for Sean Payton. But I don't know. I

655
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:20,840
Speaker 1: guess it comes down to this. And actually that was

656
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,760
Speaker 1: that first report was Fox Sports on that. But comes

657
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,879
Speaker 1: down to this, Greg, this is the question, is he

658
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 1: You said everybody's either top five, bottom five or in

659
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:32,959
Speaker 1: that middle. Is he in that top five or Sean

660
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 1: Payton in the Dalton Zoneton. I really painted myself into

661
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,760
Speaker 1: a corner here. I should have little areas of gray

662
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 1: because if he is not at the top five, you

663
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 1: do not give up a secon round pick. He's not

664
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Speaker 1: in that top five. But the thing I took away

665
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:48,919
Speaker 1: from this report was that the Saints are totally ready

666
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 1: to trade him, and that they want to trade him

667
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 1: in the second round pick. It's not that much. If

668
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Speaker 1: you're saying, okay, just go man, all we want is

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Speaker 1: a second round pick, it it sounds like they're ready

670
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Speaker 1: to do a divorce. Second round pick for a coach

671
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,360
Speaker 1: is a lot less of a bounty than some coaches

672
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 1: have been traded for. And if you're an organization that

673
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:09,319
Speaker 1: believes what he can do for your offense, then I

674
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 1: think it's worth the second round pick. I think the

675
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 1: thing is what is Sean Payton's other baggage? Doesn't seem

676
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 1: like a complete flower to me, But you know, oh no,

677
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 1: he seems terrible. I mean, let's not sugarcoat. It seems

678
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 1: like a real headache and a diva. And you better

679
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 1: not bring him to a market where the media is

680
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 1: gonna come after him hard because it's gonna lead to

681
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 1: a real cantankerous type situation. I don't know. I mean,

682
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 1: it sounds like we should give up a high draft

683
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 1: pick for him. I don't. I just I don't get

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00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 1: an offensive coach. He doesn't make him a coordinator. He

685
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,360
Speaker 1: brings something to the table. I used to say with

686
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 1: Wade Phillips, like he's he at least brought something to

687
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 1: the table, a proven defensive system. Even if he wasn't

688
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 1: a good head coach, that put him in the middle.

689
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,879
Speaker 1: At least because he had something. Sean Payton can can

690
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 1: dial up some offense. He's created a lot of yards

691
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 1: with a lot of guys people didn't want. And the

692
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 1: other option is you go get Doug Maroon, which the

693
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 1: Saints might want, end up with Sean Pae. Doug Maron

694
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:03,799
Speaker 1: get sighted as well. No, but I mean that's that's

695
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 1: the apparent link, is that Marone would go to New Orleans.

696
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 1: That's a down grade. If you're saying I need Doug

697
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 1: Maron's agent, he's working hard, I don't. I don't feel

698
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 1: like poor Doug Maron needs to be said. I don't know.

699
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 1: I I feel bad for He's the one who backed down.

700
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:19,800
Speaker 1: That's it's all his fault. Bailed on his play totally,

701
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 1: his fault. Lashback to Black Monday, two thousand fifteen podcasts.

702
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 1: It was yeah, it was on New Year's Eve two

703
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 1: thousand fourteen when he made the bold power play and

704
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 1: there were reports out there, oh yeah, he's a slam

705
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 1: dunk for the Jets. And then Manisha Meta, another friend

706
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,360
Speaker 1: of the pod he's been on the show before, single

707
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 1: handedly slaughtered any chance of that happening by a series

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Speaker 1: of um, you know columns saying that Maron would be bad,

709
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 1: bad news. I think that's a fair assessment, right, Yeah. Well,

710
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 1: Robert Clemco talked to a bunch of agents about Maron

711
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:52,879
Speaker 1: doing a bunch of coaching available ability type people from

712
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 1: SI Robert Clenk go, and he said that one guy

713
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 1: said he is an incredible leader, absolutely incredible leader. The

714
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 1: next guy said, people in Jacksonville don't even like him,

715
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 1: So I think it's all over them. It's all over

716
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 1: the map, all right, and finally over on the throne

717
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 1: of sleeves. Um, let's let's let's fire up the real danger,

718
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 1: you know, sorrow the throne of sleeves. Please, Sydney. I

719
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:22,360
Speaker 1: want to hear, yes, I wanna hear suffering because Tom

720
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 1: Brady um that that leg injury he suffered in the

721
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 1: season finale, A lost by the way to that Gloria

722
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 1: Stefan and the dolphins. Uh a high ankle sprain, the

723
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 1: dreaded h a s uh. So he said he's coming

724
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,359
Speaker 1: out and said, I've had worse injuries than this. Well, yeah,

725
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 1: your knee exploded, uh one day in September once. Uh

726
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 1: that that sucked. But high ankle sprain ain't no joke.

727
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 1: West couldn't even walk on the damn thing once. Once

728
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 1: upon a time, he told me there are varying degrees

729
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 1: of high ankle sprains. Once I couldn't walk for six weeks.

730
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 1: On the other one I could get around find after

731
00:37:57,560 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks and eating him Alayan nuts. Right

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00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 1: the West tom Brady, tom Brady pays like fourteen people

733
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,400
Speaker 1: millions of dollars a year to make sure they cared

734
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 1: diligently about him being ready for the divisional round of

735
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 1: the playoffs. It's a problem. It's a problem. It's hard

736
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:13,919
Speaker 1: to listen to Tom Brady high ankle sprain right before

737
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 1: the playoffs. It's hard to hear those cries of the

738
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,240
Speaker 1: poor New England people caught in the fire or whatever.

739
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 1: On the other I like to picture people flying off

740
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 1: a busted roller coaster into the mouth of Hell. I

741
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 1: think you're absolutely right or it's in a nice fair

742
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 1: ground right where they're celebrating the FCS title and a

743
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 1: giant Ferris Wheels tipped over on like four thousand New

744
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 1: England residents. I'm starting to rethink my decision. Brandon Marcus,

745
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 1: our producer, had the idea on on Sunday, to do

746
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 1: a little J. E. T. S On Sunday night with

747
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 1: bombs exploding at the end. And I was like, I

748
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 1: don't think that's who would have been. I was like,

749
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 1: I don't think that's gonna play well? Was it? And

750
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 1: it would not have played well? Uh No, you got

751
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:55,399
Speaker 1: a little let a little time pass. That's the It's

752
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:58,319
Speaker 1: all about letting time pass. Um. So that's going on.

753
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 1: So you I guess it's the check um. You know,

754
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 1: you put on an adult diaper and uh you know

755
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 1: there's there's different levels to it. Uh one, A couple

756
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:12,359
Speaker 1: of trickles, uh uh ten ps everywhere it's like, oh

757
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 1: this diape is used up. I gotta go get on

758
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 1: the diaper from the store and changing my pants. It's

759
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 1: a tough answer right now. It's a tough answer right

760
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:22,439
Speaker 1: now because on one hand, I keep in my head

761
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:24,799
Speaker 1: with the Patriots. Now what I said at the end

762
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 1: of the last Super Bowl, that really was the championship

763
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 1: I wanted as a Patriots fan for so long, and

764
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 1: I keep that in my mind. But when you're just

765
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 1: talking about this year's team, the p scale is very high.

766
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 1: You know, seven, Dan, why is the person pen from

767
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 1: like East Flushing, New York and like a sixty seven

768
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:46,799
Speaker 1: year old, gravelly voiced adult. I mean, I like it

769
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 1: can't explain these things sometimes. So that's what's happening. That's

770
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:53,399
Speaker 1: what's happening in the news today. All right, let's let's

771
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 1: touch it, let's touch base. Go get my lunch props, guys.

772
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 1: Um four tier just did out the update on who

773
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:05,839
Speaker 1: owes whom, and a lot of people owe Dan hands Is.

774
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 1: We wouldn't be doing this segment otherwise. Wait a second,

775
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 1: by the way, that's class accessler. When when I got

776
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:17,280
Speaker 1: absolutely obliterated at the draft, did we do the segment?

777
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:21,720
Speaker 1: I remember the exactly selective memory over there, quiet storm.

778
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:24,880
Speaker 1: I did, and it was a terrible job at the draft.

779
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 1: I've learned my lesson. I know how to play that

780
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 1: game now. But I always said the regular season that's

781
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 1: when I shine. We'll get to that. But let's go

782
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 1: right down the list with all the different props. Will

783
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:39,240
Speaker 1: start with Chris westling Um who finished eight and ten

784
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 1: for the season, which means you won eight sandwiches, you

785
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 1: lost ten sandwiches. And Nick Fortier, who does a great

786
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:49,800
Speaker 1: job on Go Get My Lunch dot org uh tracking

787
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 1: this stuff also has the around the NFL soundboard. Do

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00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 1: we have anything from the soundboard, Sydney? Uh? You while

789
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 1: you uh, while we talked about this, you can maybe

790
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 1: find something. But here we go. This is what us had.

791
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 1: He won this one. There's a big winner. Kirk Cousins

792
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 1: throws for at least twenty t d s and three

793
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:11,879
Speaker 1: thousand yards in both myself and Greg oh Sandwiches got

794
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 1: the four thousand yards on that one. That so that

795
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 1: was a monster win. Although halfway through the season I

796
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 1: remember having a conversation with West that was gonna be

797
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 1: very close. It didn't turn out that way. Um. Next up,

798
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 1: Kristen Michael leads the Cowboys and rushing Dan Gregg and

799
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 1: Mark All made a sandwich off that I don't quite understand.

800
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:32,879
Speaker 1: How West is gonna eat out of ten if he's

801
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 1: only one one. Well, because you're getting the sandwiches from

802
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 1: the other people's. He's played off our folly. So West's

803
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 1: predictions weren't good, but I should have stuck with mcph

804
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 1: That was maybe the worst prop that anyone made. Was

805
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 1: a total mcfan all work down the worst ones and

806
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:53,479
Speaker 1: then we'll pick the winner for the loser. There's there's

807
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 1: a drop right there. Uh so yeah, Dan, Gregor Mark

808
00:41:57,600 --> 00:41:59,879
Speaker 1: made sandwich? Is there? Uh? Nick noted in the sky

809
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 1: be but Mark thinks it will be close. Was not close.

810
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 1: Brandon Cooks will have more touches than the Saints next

811
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 1: two wide receivers tight ends combined. That did not work out.

812
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 1: I wish we had the final numbers on that, but

813
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 1: I don't believe it was even closed final numbers. He's

814
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 1: got them on here. Uh, Cooks had ninety two, Watson

815
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 1: and Sneed had on alright, So Dan and Gregg is there. Mark,

816
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 1: you didn't take him on that. Jamis Winston is benched

817
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 1: for performance. Greg you took West on that, and you

818
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 1: want a sandwich? So when for their And finally West

819
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 1: said to Van Austin, uh has over one thousand yards

820
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 1: from scrimmage. It had to be very close. Seven. I

821
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:43,360
Speaker 1: feel like this is a bit like your case keenum

822
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 1: one last year. I mean, come on, that's close, and

823
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 1: come on, that's a big round number. He didn't get

824
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,360
Speaker 1: to it. It wasn't like his career high was like

825
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 1: five hundred before. Here's the annoying thing about Tavon Austin

826
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:57,840
Speaker 1: and again the Rams congratulations under seven and nine is

827
00:42:57,880 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 1: that he had like seven hundred of those yards and

828
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,919
Speaker 1: five games and then just disappeared for eleven. I also

829
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 1: had a very good season. Was he and Gurley were

830
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:07,359
Speaker 1: the only decent things on their office? Dan and Gregg

831
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 1: both made sandwiches there. We move on to Mark Sessler,

832
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:13,359
Speaker 1: who went seven and seven. Even Stephen is what they

833
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:19,359
Speaker 1: call him old, Even Stephen Avery um brock Osweiler will

834
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:24,280
Speaker 1: make at least one start in victory for Mark Sessler.

835
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 1: Both Dan and Gregg took you on that West did not.

836
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 1: Uh next Uh, the Patriots will miss the playoffs. We

837
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 1: all took you up on. That was a hope, not

838
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 1: a logic. Didn't even that was that might be the

839
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 1: worst one. You have to nominate that one. Come on, um,

840
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 1: Adrian Peterson is not even on the Cowboys. Adrianson Peterson

841
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 1: will not lead the league in rushing. Mark try to

842
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 1: suck us in with that one. Then really a credit

843
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 1: to all of us in the room here. Nobody took

844
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:56,360
Speaker 1: him on it. Peterson did indeed lead the league in rushing,

845
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:59,839
Speaker 1: beating out Doug Martin by like ninety yards or so. Uh, Dan,

846
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 1: Kansas will beat West season long pick contest. I like

847
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 1: this one. I think West got me about by about

848
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 1: six games. Uh. If I'm not mistaken, this makes no sense.

849
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:12,919
Speaker 1: We should outlaw this this type of thing. It didn't

850
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 1: even have anything to do with Mark. I don't even

851
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 1: know what's going on here. I'd like it alright West.

852
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 1: West knows that Greg not being part of the picks,

853
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 1: needs to rain on this parade. Moving on to Greg

854
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:27,839
Speaker 1: who finished eight and ten. Nice little comeback because he

855
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 1: was deep in the whole going into the last couple

856
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 1: of weeks of the season. Why don't, Yeah, that's why

857
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:34,240
Speaker 1: you don't do an update with you know, taking shots

858
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:37,879
Speaker 1: at Nick who does well. You guys are giving me nine.

859
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 1: It's not it's about how you finish. The St. Louis

860
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:43,360
Speaker 1: Rams will finished in in first or second place in

861
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:48,359
Speaker 1: the NFC West. They finished in third. Uh, Dan, Mark

862
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 1: and West all took you up on that might be

863
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 1: one of the worst and gobbled on some sandwiches. The

864
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 1: next one's pretty big. Austin Davis starts more games than

865
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 1: Johnny Manziel. Are you kidding? I'm proud of that one.

866
00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:00,799
Speaker 1: I got pretty six sandwiches on P people associated with

867
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,360
Speaker 1: the St. Louis ramps. That Davis one though was a

868
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 1: hail mar This year, I got hit. I got pretty

869
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:09,280
Speaker 1: close with Austin David. Think that Johnny Man's I'll started

870
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:13,400
Speaker 1: five games, he appeared intent uh and David started to

871
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:16,760
Speaker 1: Andrew luck will not receive a single m v P vote.

872
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 1: That's how you play the game. That was take advantage

873
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 1: of the hype. That was good, and I'm mad at

874
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 1: myself because I remember not wanting to do it, and

875
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:25,320
Speaker 1: then I went along with it and I got banged

876
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 1: on it. We all gave you sandwiches there, and then

877
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 1: only one team from the a f C North will

878
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 1: make the playoffs. Mark took you up on it, and

879
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 1: I guess what. Two teams made the playoffs because of

880
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 1: my Jets. Jets helped uh me lose the sand so

881
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 1: they all got a little pain there. And then finally

882
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 1: Dan Hansas' best Ready you'll lead Now listen to the

883
00:45:55,000 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 1: sounds from round the league, the stable end eventually winning again,

884
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 1: winning again winning. Oh my god, you're right, he will

885
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:11,399
Speaker 1: handle this well. Eleven and four. Uh, the old suser went,

886
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:15,759
Speaker 1: let's go over these. Um I believe Yeah. I was

887
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 1: the only one to have a winning record. The Jets

888
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:21,359
Speaker 1: will win at least eight games in I always thought

889
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 1: they were going to win between nine and ten. They

890
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:25,719
Speaker 1: ended up winning ten and still wasn't enough. But I

891
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 1: do get the sandwiches from Greg Mark and West on

892
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 1: that one, so that was good. At least. The Cleveland

893
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 1: Calves will win three games before the Browns was a

894
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:37,839
Speaker 1: complex one that was not even close. Actually it wasn't

895
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:41,359
Speaker 1: that complex. Well, you have to look at the Cave

896
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:43,879
Speaker 1: Calves destroyed them. You have to. You have to check

897
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 1: when they I was also, I was essentially pressured into

898
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 1: taking this or I wasn't like a loyal Browns fan,

899
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:52,840
Speaker 1: and I will never take this again. This is a

900
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 1: they will do. They won't get this next year either. Well,

901
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 1: the Browns did get the two fairly quickly. It was

902
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 1: in the right Yeah, is five weeks and then it

903
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:04,400
Speaker 1: took them. I think the cass probably had ten or

904
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 1: twelve wins before the Browns got their third, So I

905
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 1: won one off Mark there, Peyton Manning will throw for

906
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:14,320
Speaker 1: thirty t d s. Listen, I will not be ashamed

907
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 1: that I was. If I'm going to stay on the

908
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 1: ship a little too long, that's okay. I like Peyton.

909
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:19,959
Speaker 1: I'm not saying oh my gosh to you. I'm saying

910
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:21,839
Speaker 1: it to me and Mark for not taking you up

911
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 1: on that one and took up on it, so I

912
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:26,840
Speaker 1: only lost the sandwich on it. And then J J.

913
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 1: Watt and jadeveon Clowney will have more combined sacks than

914
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 1: von Miller and DeMarcus Ware. No one took me up

915
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 1: on that. Do we have a breakdown of what that was?

916
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:39,759
Speaker 1: I don't know, but what Clowney did have more they did.

917
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 1: So it's a good thing you guys didn't take me

918
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:44,239
Speaker 1: on it. Um, So there we go. Well that's how

919
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 1: you win the game too. You know. You like to

920
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 1: talk about the nut hangers. That was that's the onion hanger,

921
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 1: the onion hangers or whatever, very crude were right, you're

922
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 1: supposed to be our supervisor. He's no, he's the one

923
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 1: that made up the fras. Get your nut hanggles out there. Oh,

924
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 1: don't forget the irishman's country. But whatever the opposite of

925
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:06,439
Speaker 1: that is. That's what this one was. And they're they're

926
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 1: snug and safe and you know, well protected. The Irishman

927
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 1: Brandon McManus one of our past producers, a great man.

928
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 1: Uh he went, oh and three a producer by the way,

929
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 1: fun fact, Sydney, if you're still around next time we do.

930
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 1: One of these has never won a sandwich in this

931
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 1: They are terrible at it inherently. I don't know why,

932
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 1: but he said that Tony Romo would have more passing

933
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 1: yards than Eli Manning. He kind of got, he kind

934
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 1: of got. That was bad luck. Yeah, that's by the way.

935
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:43,800
Speaker 1: Eli Manning never has never missed the game. Tony Romo

936
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 1: misses on average four to six games. Well, we have

937
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 1: had worse producer bets than that. Yeah, I'm I'm tallying

938
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:52,759
Speaker 1: it up now. I guess TD and gold Standard have

939
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 1: one sandwiches, you know, but they've lost far more than that. Overall.

940
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:00,120
Speaker 1: The record is just grizzly. It just shows what are

941
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 1: the football experts we are. I'm doing it now. The

942
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,360
Speaker 1: math quickly, I think three and twenty three I believe

943
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:09,479
Speaker 1: is the producer record. Yeah, and my favorite thing about

944
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 1: the all time standings is not that Greg and I

945
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 1: are in a virtual first place tie instant Mark has

946
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:20,799
Speaker 1: wage your twenty fewer propositions than Greg. Yeah, well that

947
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 1: is because if you look at this that this was

948
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 1: like a quarterly report. I did no propositions early on,

949
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 1: and I've done far more of later and I paid

950
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:34,799
Speaker 1: for it. How about Mark's record, even Stephen? Ye, well listen,

951
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 1: I don't mind it, even Steve. We are all at

952
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:41,879
Speaker 1: thanks to the inaptitude of the producers. Thanks, thanks, guys,

953
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 1: appreciate you. So that's where we are um right now?

954
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 1: And what are what are the nominees for worst sandwich

955
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:51,719
Speaker 1: prop of the year? Yeah, I guess there's three nominees.

956
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 1: Kristen Michael will lead the Cowboys and rushing, the Patriots

957
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 1: will miss the playoffs, and I'm gonna go with the

958
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:00,400
Speaker 1: third pick would be the Rams will finish either in

959
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 1: first or second in the NFC West. So yeah, you

960
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 1: were betting against both the Seahawks and the Cardinals this season,

961
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 1: betting on the Rams, which is just shameful. Uh, It's

962
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:12,439
Speaker 1: not as bad as Michael, though, I mean, Michael ended

963
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 1: up on three different teams. Also not the Cowboys also

964
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 1: had a hundred yard game three days ago for a

965
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 1: different team. Hey, I admit it was a bad Also,

966
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 1: when he signs with a new team, the teams like, oh,

967
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:27,240
Speaker 1: here's your iPad with the playbook and he's like, nah,

968
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:30,360
Speaker 1: I'm good, just me, you know it was. It was

969
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:32,759
Speaker 1: especially bad because I said, all offseason I was in

970
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 1: the McFadden camp, and then at the last minute, I

971
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 1: was swayed by the charms. It's only slightly siren song

972
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 1: of Christian Christine Michael. Not picking the Patriots was just

973
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:46,840
Speaker 1: stupid on my part, so maybe his was the weirdest whatever.

974
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 1: Mine was just flat out a dumb person's right before

975
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:54,280
Speaker 1: I thought it was an out. I mean, I'm sitting

976
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:56,719
Speaker 1: here Owen Sandwiches because of one of the dumbest things

977
00:50:56,719 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 1: I've ever said. You're lost one on that. No, he

978
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 1: lost three. Oh you did well. We weren't going to

979
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:07,439
Speaker 1: pick against the Pats all right. Before we get out

980
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 1: of here. At his time to u UM talk about

981
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:13,719
Speaker 1: what happened with the picks. Um, we talked about last

982
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:17,400
Speaker 1: week's show that Westling and Patra went into Week seventeen

983
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 1: in a flat footed tie for the Picks title. A

984
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:24,319
Speaker 1: night of drinking on the line after a phone call

985
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 1: that quickly swerved into you know, some edgy territory between

986
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:32,320
Speaker 1: the two colleagues. And uh, I have to say, Um,

987
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:38,400
Speaker 1: Kevin Patra won this thing going away. He went eleven

988
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 1: and five. Uh for the week, the best record of

989
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 1: the week. West had his worst week of the season.

990
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:46,920
Speaker 1: Perhaps he went seven and nine. So Patra, who was

991
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 1: down two games going into Week seventeen, ends up winning

992
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:54,920
Speaker 1: the whole thing by four games. Um, and uh, you know,

993
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 1: a big win for Kevin Patrick. Soon now we have

994
00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:59,880
Speaker 1: him on the phone. Uh, Kevin patrack your thoughts on

995
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 1: a big victory. I'm by winning. I went here and

996
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:07,360
Speaker 1: I went there, not one. Oh well that was a joke, Charlie,

997
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:15,360
Speaker 1: all right now Kevin Patrick winning? Alright, Kevin Patrick. It

998
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:19,359
Speaker 1: was beautiful, Dan, it was beautiful, Hey West. I want

999
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 1: to know how it felt to be like the Buffalo

1000
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 1: Bills in two Super Bowl WHOA, I don't know. I

1001
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:27,759
Speaker 1: think I assume they cared whether they want or not.

1002
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, play that card all you want. I'm just

1003
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 1: I can't wait to buy about a thousand miller highlights

1004
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:38,080
Speaker 1: on your test? How could you be behind the champagne

1005
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:40,319
Speaker 1: of beer because he's a common man's number one of

1006
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 1: the common man rankings. First of all, First of all,

1007
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:44,720
Speaker 1: it's delicious. Second of all, I can drink a thousand

1008
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:46,920
Speaker 1: of them. So he'll you'll go up, your cab will

1009
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 1: go higher. He is not number one in the common

1010
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:52,400
Speaker 1: man rankings. He never delivered mail or was in a union.

1011
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:54,359
Speaker 1: I don't want to hear you know how Kevin called

1012
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 1: this shot though he came out here last week. He

1013
00:52:56,719 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 1: was like Babe Ruth pointing out to the outfield, and

1014
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:01,239
Speaker 1: then he took west Lean out. It was, Oh, it

1015
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:03,560
Speaker 1: was a miserable performance by me. I was terrible. Not

1016
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:06,240
Speaker 1: only was it a um yeah, bad week for West,

1017
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:09,799
Speaker 1: but Patrick also blew away. The fan consensus was, you know,

1018
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 1: they go chalk typically and went nine and seven. Patrick

1019
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:14,799
Speaker 1: took some chances, went eleven and five. And you know

1020
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:19,360
Speaker 1: sometimes on in the studio, when is Patrick being sucked

1021
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:23,719
Speaker 1: into an alien Portland, sometimes Mark gets you see the

1022
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:26,400
Speaker 1: Mark wild eyes. I could hear the wild eyes on

1023
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 1: Patra as he's going after Westling right now, Kevin, wait,

1024
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:32,799
Speaker 1: so angry? Did you feel like West had kind of

1025
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:36,240
Speaker 1: looked past you? So I just think I was confident

1026
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:37,839
Speaker 1: what I had to what I was gonna do when

1027
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 1: I pulled throw. I mean, just straight confidence. Nothing other

1028
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:43,279
Speaker 1: than that. Yeah, you deserved the kuda was well done.

1029
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 1: Excellent performance by you. I don't understand why there would

1030
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:48,800
Speaker 1: be any anger involved. There's no anger. There's only happiness.

1031
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 1: For my answer, it's just the way Detroit guys are.

1032
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:53,440
Speaker 1: You can move them in to Chicago, you can put him,

1033
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 1: you know, usc, you could send him wherever. He's always

1034
00:53:56,719 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 1: gonna have that Detroit bad to the bone. You're a

1035
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:00,279
Speaker 1: bad boy, that's what you are. He's a bad boy

1036
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:05,680
Speaker 1: every day. Yes, all right, Kevin Patrick, congratulations on a

1037
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 1: big victory. You have to defend the title next year,

1038
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:10,759
Speaker 1: and maybe Greg if you know, if you will come

1039
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:13,719
Speaker 1: down from Mount Pious, will jump back in and we

1040
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:16,720
Speaker 1: can have a real showdown between the two thousand fourteen

1041
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 1: winner and the two thousand fifteen winner. We'll see what happens.

1042
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:22,440
Speaker 1: Let's do it, all right. So there's Kevin Patrick victorious,

1043
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 1: gonna get some drinks from West Whenever it happens, we

1044
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:27,280
Speaker 1: will get out of here. Now. We'll be back on Thursdays,

1045
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 1: and so the guys will be back on Thursday with

1046
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 1: Colleen Wolf. We'll preview all the playoff games. It's gonna

1047
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 1: be a great week of football, so we will dig

1048
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 1: in hard on all those games, so make sure you

1049
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 1: tune in for that. It will also be on YouTube

1050
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:45,359
Speaker 1: and on NFL. Now, I believe we have some other

1051
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:47,640
Speaker 1: news to share a little later in the week, so

1052
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:51,399
Speaker 1: just make be ready for that as well. So until then,

1053
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 1: this is Dana Hanss signing off four Quiet Storm, The Mailman,

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