WEBVTT - Elastics: Where God and Science Smooch

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<v Speaker 1>Hey there, it's Josh and it's my turn finally, and

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<v Speaker 1>I hope you're enjoying our doing science playlists so far.

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<v Speaker 1>Up next, we have our twenty seventeen episode on elastics.

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<v Speaker 1>It's one of those episodes like Ballpoint, pens or Zippers,

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<v Speaker 1>where the topic sounds super boring but it actually turns

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<v Speaker 1>out to be super interesting, And this episode, as a bonus,

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<v Speaker 1>has a surprising amount of discussion on pirates for a

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<v Speaker 1>show on things that snap back.

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<v Speaker 2>When you pull them.

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<v Speaker 1>Enjoy feeling your brain in large.

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome to you Stuff you Should Know from HowStuffWorks dot com.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, There's

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<v Speaker 2>Charles W. Chuck Bryant, There's Jerry. This is Stuff you

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<v Speaker 2>Should Know. The Sick Edition, the annual sick Edition. You

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<v Speaker 2>aren't well, friend, No, And it really stinks too, Chuck,

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<v Speaker 2>because like I like to think that I take pretty

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<v Speaker 2>good care of myself. So to be able to be

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<v Speaker 2>felled not once, but twice in just a few months

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<v Speaker 2>by some stupid bug, it's irritating to me.

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<v Speaker 4>I know, you get mad every time you get sick, though,

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<v Speaker 4>just so you know I do.

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<v Speaker 2>I hadn't noticed that Actually.

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<v Speaker 4>My wife is the same way. Well it's not fun,

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<v Speaker 4>I know, but she gets like kind of yeah, you

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<v Speaker 4>both get a little angry like why did this happen

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<v Speaker 4>to me? I get more pitiful, like, oh somebody helped me.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh I've got that going on too.

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<v Speaker 4>Listen to this. So does that mean people have the

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<v Speaker 4>next like eight episodes to look forward to?

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<v Speaker 2>This? Or no? No, man, no way, this is it.

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<v Speaker 2>This is it right here. I think actually, yesterday might

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<v Speaker 2>have been the worst day.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh well good, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean today was a close second, but we'll find out. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it is bad. I gotta be a pro, man, I

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<v Speaker 2>gotta I gotta get.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, the show must go on.

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<v Speaker 2>So today, Chuck Charles, we're talking elastic. Yeah, did you

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<v Speaker 2>know much about this? No?

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<v Speaker 4>I thought this is actually super interesting. And it also

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<v Speaker 4>contained two uh, what we like to call dinner party

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<v Speaker 4>factoids that people can bust out.

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<v Speaker 2>We need a jingle that says that so we can

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<v Speaker 2>play it when when it comes up.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean there's lots of cool stuff in here.

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<v Speaker 4>And please don't correct us on factoid because.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, man, that's so two thousand and nine, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and eleven maybe.

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<v Speaker 4>Exactly, but yeah, two really cool facts in here that

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<v Speaker 4>I think people can just keep in their hip pocket.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, are you good? So until we get a jingle made,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll bet Noel will make one for us. But until

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<v Speaker 2>we do, maybe you should you want to practice one.

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<v Speaker 4>Geez, what's a good dinner party jingle? It should it

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<v Speaker 4>should be like wine glasses and plates and forks and

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<v Speaker 4>things clinking.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, and then maybe like this Orwellian voice going duner

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<v Speaker 2>party factor.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, here we are eight years in, still evolving.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a work in progress. Okay, so we're talking

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<v Speaker 2>elastic chuck. Uh huh. I didn't know that much about

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<v Speaker 2>it either. In this article written by one William Harris,

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<v Speaker 2>good one, Yeah it is. It makes a pretty good

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<v Speaker 2>point that it's just one of those things and specifically, say,

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<v Speaker 2>like a rubber band, you just kind of think it's

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<v Speaker 2>always been around, and you know you've always you just think,

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<v Speaker 2>like you know, elastic waistbands have been around for eons.

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<v Speaker 2>It was basically the second thing discovered after fire, is

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<v Speaker 2>what I've always thought, Yes.

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<v Speaker 4>Today, since Adam first popped eaves bra strap.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, it's been around. Yeah, you'd think that's actually not

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<v Speaker 2>the case at all. It's elastic itself and elastic, we

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<v Speaker 2>should say is basically any rubber, natural or synthetic thread

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<v Speaker 2>woven with another kind of fabric usually like say cotton

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<v Speaker 2>or nylon or whatever that produces a stretchy fabric that's elastic, right.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Like I think a lot of people don't even

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<v Speaker 4>realize if they took their underwear waistband. Don't do this

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<v Speaker 4>because then you ruined it. But maybe if you have

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<v Speaker 4>an old pair, if you just kind of cut it,

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<v Speaker 4>you would see these these little elastic threads. It's all

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<v Speaker 4>it is. Yes, sure, little rubber bands.

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<v Speaker 2>Or or you could go to like a thrift store

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<v Speaker 2>or something, buy a pair and then cut those.

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<v Speaker 4>If you're buying a thrift store underwear, then I don't know,

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<v Speaker 4>I wouldn't recommend that. Yeah, I don't think they even

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<v Speaker 4>slid Actually they do what really? Yep used underwear?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes?

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<v Speaker 4>Wow, so ten percent skid free.

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<v Speaker 2>That's probably. That's gotta be one of the more difficult tasks.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like getting those things just prepared for resale, you know. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to be unprepared for resale duty today. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>when you do, if you cut it open, if you

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<v Speaker 2>look very closely, have you ever done this. Have you

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<v Speaker 2>ever seen like an elastic waistband come come loose? Sure

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<v Speaker 2>as you've got. If you look really closely, you can

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<v Speaker 2>be like going to like the little threads that are

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<v Speaker 2>sticking out, because some just hang limp and loose. That's cotton.

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<v Speaker 2>Nobody cares about that. But the ones that are just

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<v Speaker 2>kind of still sticking out a little bit and you

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<v Speaker 2>can throw them though, that's the that's the rubber or

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<v Speaker 2>natural or synthetic rubber that that gives that elastic its stretchiness.

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<v Speaker 2>And again, this is a fairly recent invention, especially if

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<v Speaker 2>you're talking about waistbands for underpants.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and especially if you're talking about elastic. That really

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<v Speaker 4>kind of worked. There were two sort of dives into

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<v Speaker 4>making elastic, and one quite a long time ago, and

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<v Speaker 4>then one more recently that obviously worked much better. And

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<v Speaker 4>basically the reason it worked much more better more recently

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<v Speaker 4>is better techniques to making rubber and then better techniques

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<v Speaker 4>changing that rubber into something that you could actually use,

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<v Speaker 4>like in a waistband.

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<v Speaker 2>Right exactly. But we've known about rubber for a very

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<v Speaker 2>long time since well, I should say those of us

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<v Speaker 2>in the West have known about it for a very

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<v Speaker 2>long time. Those indigenous peoples of the Amazon have known

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<v Speaker 2>about it even longer.

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<v Speaker 4>But I interrupted. You were talking about waistbands.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, so yeah, so with underwear, waistbands in particular, right, Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>apparently humans have felt shame for thousands of years because

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<v Speaker 2>the oldest pair of underwear, identifiable underwear are seven thousand

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<v Speaker 2>years old.

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<v Speaker 4>And he bought them at Goodwill right last week.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so these this underwear. Originally, well even before that,

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<v Speaker 2>I should say, there was something called breechcloth, and that

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<v Speaker 2>was just basically strips of leather that just kind of

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<v Speaker 2>hung down and covered you junk, maybe kept the gnats

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<v Speaker 2>out that kind of thing, right.

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<v Speaker 4>Or kept them in.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was your thing. Probably catch some and those

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<v Speaker 2>are even older than the first underwear, which would be

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<v Speaker 2>considered a loin cloth, yeah, of course, which is basically that.

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<v Speaker 2>And there are loin cloths that are at least five

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<v Speaker 2>thousand years or seven thousand years old, and they are

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<v Speaker 2>basically in a linen diaper that is folded in a

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<v Speaker 2>certain way, worn by grown ups, including very famously most recently,

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<v Speaker 2>Gandhi used to wear a loin cloth everywhere. It was

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<v Speaker 2>called a dati. But it's a loin cloth, no matter

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<v Speaker 2>what you call it, that's right. So those stuck around

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<v Speaker 2>for quite a while in the West, and it wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>until basically the Middle Ages that someone said we can

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<v Speaker 2>do better than this.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and they brought around these things that are that

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<v Speaker 4>were much longer than a loin cloth, most of them.

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<v Speaker 4>Kind of for my research, these braids b r ai

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<v Speaker 4>e s went below the knee even.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. They were like a cross between a loincloth and jams.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, sort of. It says here that they were lace

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<v Speaker 4>to the waist and legs, but there may be lace

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<v Speaker 4>under the waist, but they're also generally kind of rolled

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<v Speaker 4>over many times at the waist, right, I think, to

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<v Speaker 4>probably tighten it up a bit.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and everyone said, great, this is work.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>For a while, I'm happy with this, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>then it went a different way. We should do an

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<v Speaker 2>entire episode just on corsets. I know, there's a good

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<v Speaker 2>article on the site on it. But after Braisee, the

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<v Speaker 2>what's called the union suit was invented.

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<v Speaker 4>What dinner party fact.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, there you go, that's good.

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<v Speaker 4>I never knew. I thought it was called a union

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<v Speaker 4>suit because it had something somewhere along the line to

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<v Speaker 4>do with unions, but no. In fact, the word union suit.

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<v Speaker 4>Now we know them as long John's. Even though long

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<v Speaker 4>John's are generally two piece. The one piece union suit

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<v Speaker 4>is called that because it is one piece. It is

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<v Speaker 4>the union of a top and a bottom undergarment.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep, that's right. It's a one piece long John with

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<v Speaker 2>a flap in the bottom. Uh. They usually button all

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<v Speaker 2>the way up front, from the growing up to the neck.

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<v Speaker 4>Do you have any of these?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm wearing a couple of pair right now. Obviously you

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<v Speaker 2>just can't see him because they're under my clothes.

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<v Speaker 4>Do you really have some?

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<v Speaker 2>No? I have Long John's. I've got these one called

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<v Speaker 2>the Silkies that work really well. Oh yeah, But I

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<v Speaker 2>don't have a union suit. No, do you? No?

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<v Speaker 4>I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Neymore.

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<v Speaker 4>My brother still Scott squares by the union suit. I

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<v Speaker 4>think he has the classic red. And then, of course

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<v Speaker 4>they famously have like you said, the it's either called

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<v Speaker 4>an access hatch. I've also seen them called a drop

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<v Speaker 4>seat or a fireman's flap.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I saw that too. Where you can see.

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<v Speaker 4>That, yeah, where you can unbutton your you know, because

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<v Speaker 4>generally you're wearing this out in the cold so you

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<v Speaker 4>don't want to strip down to the naked if you

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<v Speaker 4>want to go peepee or poo poo. Right, so you

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<v Speaker 4>just open the old access hatch in there you have it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, now that see that to me makes sense in

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<v Speaker 2>the nineteenth century when the union suit was invented. Today, though,

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<v Speaker 2>it's like, I guess Scott just likes to add a

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<v Speaker 2>little panic to when he has to tinkle, like having

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<v Speaker 2>to get that flap open.

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<v Speaker 4>I think he's just a classicist, not classicist, a who's

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<v Speaker 4>someone who's into the classic things.

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<v Speaker 2>Classicist.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh okay, that sounds like he doesn't like poor people.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a classist. Oh okay, that extra makes a big difference.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, he's a classicist.

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<v Speaker 2>Then, yeah, yeah, okay, so you should tell him this.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's another little sub dinner party factoid. Union suits were

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<v Speaker 2>originally invented for women from what I understand, all right,

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<v Speaker 2>and they were invented in response to the corset craze

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<v Speaker 2>because apparently courses were so out of hand. It was

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<v Speaker 2>basically like remember our footbinding episode.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, so that's.

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<v Speaker 2>Basically what women in Europe and the United States, in

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<v Speaker 2>the western country were doing with corsets. They were engaging

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<v Speaker 2>in what was amounted to footbinding, but with their waists right.

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<v Speaker 2>They were literally deforming themselves right, using corsets. And there

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<v Speaker 2>was a Reformation movement against the corset and against that

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<v Speaker 2>look and what it's fall and ultimately was the union suit,

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<v Speaker 2>which were so great that mem were like these are

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<v Speaker 2>ours now, right.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, we should do one corsets. I assume that they

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<v Speaker 4>did this because men were like, no more of an

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<v Speaker 4>hour glass?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, And I think that's where the Reformation came

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<v Speaker 2>out of, like, just shut up, men, do you have

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<v Speaker 2>any like we're disfigured now thanks to you idiots?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I hate to pack another dinner party fact right

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<v Speaker 4>next to the other one, but that's kind of where

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<v Speaker 4>we are. So my second factoid that you should bring

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<v Speaker 4>up next time you're among friends, or next time you

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<v Speaker 4>see an injured friend perhaps is if they're using an

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<v Speaker 4>ace bandage, ask them what it stands for, and they'll say, uh, well,

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<v Speaker 4>what do you mean? But it, in fact is in

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<v Speaker 4>an acronym. Correct, yes it is, And what does it

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<v Speaker 4>stand for?

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<v Speaker 2>All cotton elastic ace ban.

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<v Speaker 4>All caught an elastic bandage. I never knew that until today.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's been around since nineteen eighteen apparently that the

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<v Speaker 2>three M company introduced it. Amazing and so so, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>you've got an ACE bandage, which is essentially an elastic

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<v Speaker 2>waistband used to keep Shack's elbow in place.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, Shaquille O'Neill, Yeah, all right, what your one think?

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<v Speaker 2>This is? What's what's crazy is this is nineteen eighteen

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<v Speaker 2>that that three AM introduced the ACE and it took

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<v Speaker 2>until the forties before somebody thought, why don't we just

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<v Speaker 2>like attach like underpants a loincloth to that and as

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<v Speaker 2>we pull it up, snap it in place and be like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh baby, modell.

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<v Speaker 4>I guess because I mean the only thing I can

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<v Speaker 4>think of is because they were tying them and they disfigured,

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<v Speaker 4>well that works pretty well for now.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I guess, you know. I mean, that's what that's

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<v Speaker 2>what William Harris says. He says it was basically a

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<v Speaker 2>sort of fashion inertia. That's everything was fine, like you

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<v Speaker 2>could use buttons or ties or something like that and

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<v Speaker 2>keep it in place, so who cares. But it's just

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<v Speaker 2>so much easier to pull up your underpants, snap them

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<v Speaker 2>in place, and go, oh baby.

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<v Speaker 4>That's right. But regardless of what you're talking about here.

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<v Speaker 4>These fabrics, including elastic, are made with a loom. And

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<v Speaker 4>if you've ever seen a loom at work.

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<v Speaker 2>Or at work, yeah, it's amazing to want to come

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<v Speaker 2>into work. You're like, what the hell is this loom

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<v Speaker 2>doing here?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, not at your job, but you know.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, to me, sure that was just being a wise.

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<v Speaker 4>Have you ever seen a loom doing its thing? It's

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<v Speaker 4>pretty impressive. And what I mean it's really not that

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<v Speaker 4>complicated either. Basic. All it's doing is allowing these lengthwise

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<v Speaker 4>threads to be interlaced with with with wise.

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<v Speaker 2>Threads the warp in the weft.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, which is not a bad band name, by the way.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it's not especially like like proto folk.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, well that's exactly what it would be.

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<v Speaker 2>Mm hm.

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<v Speaker 4>That would be at least three guys wearing vests in

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<v Speaker 4>that band for sure. That may have been woven with illum.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah right, you know, and maybe uh pocket watches with

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<v Speaker 2>the chains.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh totally.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>But that's all illom does. It goes, you know, it

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<v Speaker 4>allows this interlacing to take place, and that's what's happening

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<v Speaker 4>with elastic. It just takes the place of the yarn

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<v Speaker 4>and it's it's uh.

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<v Speaker 2>Well part of the yarn, half of the yarn, or

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<v Speaker 2>a portion of the yarn.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, yeah, because in the in the case of a

0:14:47.480 --> 0:14:51.480
<v Speaker 4>waste band, you're obviously introducing other fabrics as well, like

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<v Speaker 4>cotton probably or something else.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and that's the case with any elastic. Elastic is

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<v Speaker 2>again it's it's a type of fiber woven together with

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<v Speaker 2>some sort of rubber and to create this new, stretchy,

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<v Speaker 2>resilient fabric that's elastic.

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<v Speaker 4>You want to take a nose blow break.

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<v Speaker 2>I die here, Thank you, Charles, Sure, all right, we're back.

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<v Speaker 4>You good.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I should say also, like I keep hammering home

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<v Speaker 2>what the definition of elastic is. Then we're talking about

0:15:52.040 --> 0:15:55.360
<v Speaker 2>elastic waistbands, and that's what you think of typically. But again,

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<v Speaker 2>any fabric with fiber of one type and rubber woven

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<v Speaker 2>to the other is elastic, and that has tons and

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<v Speaker 2>tons of uses. Oh sure, Like bungee cords are elastic, right, Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>you know everything else that's like that, it's like elastic.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, you know in your socks a lot of times

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<v Speaker 4>that they'll be I mean, there's elastic and you know,

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<v Speaker 4>we'll get to spandex later, but that that stuff is

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<v Speaker 4>in many, many, many garments that you wear today. You

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<v Speaker 4>mayn't realize that you have the stuff in your clothing, right,

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<v Speaker 4>everything from the the neck of your shirt perhaps too,

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<v Speaker 4>maybe the tongue of your shoes sometimes. Yeah, fancy shoes

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<v Speaker 4>will have elastic in them.

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<v Speaker 2>Those jeans that you wear to Thanksgiving dinner, they have

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<v Speaker 2>an elastic waste.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, I know what your jeans you're talking about. I

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<v Speaker 4>don't wear those.

0:16:48.520 --> 0:16:51.520
<v Speaker 2>They're pleated jeans, which is just weird looking to.

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<v Speaker 4>Just wear buttonflies.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, so you just go, pop.

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<v Speaker 4>Yep, pop a couple out. You're all set.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right. You can stuff a lot a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>extra bits in there.

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<v Speaker 4>All right, So let's should we get in the way

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<v Speaker 4>back machine a bit and go back to the eighteenth

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<v Speaker 4>then I guess the nineteenth and eighteenth centuries. Huh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>all right, we're pirates.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh man, I'm glad you brought that up. I read

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<v Speaker 2>this really interesting article. I found it on I think

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<v Speaker 2>on long form, but it's from the National Endowment for

0:17:29.000 --> 0:17:33.920
<v Speaker 2>the Humanities like magazine website. And this guy wrote an

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<v Speaker 2>article about how just thoroughly we misunderstand pirates and how

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<v Speaker 2>our conception of pirates took place basically in one decade

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<v Speaker 2>between seventeen I think twenty six and thirty six, and

0:17:49.960 --> 0:17:53.040
<v Speaker 2>everything we think of as pirates is crammed into that

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<v Speaker 2>ten years. Everything before and after is totally different from

0:17:56.760 --> 0:17:59.160
<v Speaker 2>our conception of pirates, and that they were actually very

0:17:59.200 --> 0:18:02.480
<v Speaker 2>frequently they were just sailors who would go attack like

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<v Speaker 2>a vessel in the Indian Ocean for one big haul

0:18:05.160 --> 0:18:07.960
<v Speaker 2>and then flee to the colonies and buy a bunch

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<v Speaker 2>of pigs and set up a farm and live as

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<v Speaker 2>like upstanding citizens from that point on. And some of

0:18:13.040 --> 0:18:16.640
<v Speaker 2>them were like lieutenant governors. It was a really interesting

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<v Speaker 2>article that I recommend tremendously.

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<v Speaker 4>Obviously, did we not cover that in our Pirates episode

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<v Speaker 4>eighteen years ago?

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<v Speaker 2>No, we wouldn't have known that. This is a brand

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<v Speaker 2>new article. I'm sure we just totally fell for everything, right,

0:18:31.200 --> 0:18:34.760
<v Speaker 2>And apparently that's it's not we like, that's not our

0:18:34.840 --> 0:18:39.320
<v Speaker 2>fault that this guy's article and idea is pretty new.

0:18:39.480 --> 0:18:41.960
<v Speaker 4>It's just one of these things historically everyone kind of

0:18:42.119 --> 0:18:45.879
<v Speaker 4>bought in on. Interesting. Yep, to me, that way, you

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<v Speaker 4>got it, all right. So we're talking pirates here, and

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<v Speaker 4>not just pirates, but sailors explorers basically anyone who got

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<v Speaker 4>on a ship in the seventeen and eighteen hundreds, early

0:18:55.280 --> 0:19:01.159
<v Speaker 4>eighteen hundreds and went exploring. Yeah, and they you know

0:19:01.200 --> 0:19:02.920
<v Speaker 4>what they did was they would go off and find

0:19:02.960 --> 0:19:05.280
<v Speaker 4>things that they didn't have in their home country. Say,

0:19:05.280 --> 0:19:08.040
<v Speaker 4>oh my god, what is this? Let me bring it back.

0:19:08.440 --> 0:19:10.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and cinnamon remember cinnamon episode.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, absolutely, that's a great example. But one of the

0:19:13.520 --> 0:19:17.480
<v Speaker 4>things they found in Central and South America was what

0:19:17.520 --> 0:19:22.920
<v Speaker 4>the French called kouchuok nice and it's an Indian term

0:19:23.000 --> 0:19:26.560
<v Speaker 4>meaning weeping wood, and it's basically what they're talking about.

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<v Speaker 4>Are is it an actual rubber tree?

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<v Speaker 2>Yep? Hey via brazilansis the rubber tree which literally oozes

0:19:35.680 --> 0:19:36.800
<v Speaker 2>milky latex?

0:19:37.080 --> 0:19:38.040
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, naturally.

0:19:38.480 --> 0:19:43.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And the earliest sailors that encountered the indigenous natives

0:19:43.800 --> 0:19:46.800
<v Speaker 2>of the Amazon were like, what's that stuff you're like

0:19:46.840 --> 0:19:49.760
<v Speaker 2>putting out on your outerwear and it's keeping the rain out?

0:19:49.880 --> 0:19:55.040
<v Speaker 2>Or what's that weird flexible bottle you're using? And they

0:19:55.600 --> 0:19:58.520
<v Speaker 2>explained it to them and those guys said, awesome, you

0:19:58.520 --> 0:20:02.440
<v Speaker 2>know who love this, my fellow Europeans. So they took

0:20:02.440 --> 0:20:03.360
<v Speaker 2>it back with them.

0:20:03.240 --> 0:20:05.439
<v Speaker 4>And then they said, and what are those awesome drugs

0:20:05.440 --> 0:20:07.840
<v Speaker 4>that you give us in liquid form every night after dinner.

0:20:08.000 --> 0:20:09.080
<v Speaker 2>They said, oh, yeah, Huska.

0:20:09.240 --> 0:20:11.200
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and they went, we'll take some of that home.

0:20:11.040 --> 0:20:13.159
<v Speaker 2>Too, Yeah, can we get it to go bag of

0:20:13.240 --> 0:20:13.800
<v Speaker 2>that stuff?

0:20:14.840 --> 0:20:17.879
<v Speaker 4>So, yeah, they they were already using the stuff because

0:20:17.880 --> 0:20:21.440
<v Speaker 4>they found out when when it was dried out, basically

0:20:21.600 --> 0:20:23.480
<v Speaker 4>you could use it for a lot of things, like

0:20:23.520 --> 0:20:27.680
<v Speaker 4>you said, bottles, shoes, just like this, you know, flexible

0:20:27.760 --> 0:20:28.680
<v Speaker 4>rubbery material.

0:20:28.960 --> 0:20:32.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, right, so everything's hunky door. This is a brand

0:20:32.160 --> 0:20:35.040
<v Speaker 2>new thing. Europe's starting to go crazy for it. But

0:20:35.320 --> 0:20:40.800
<v Speaker 2>what they figured out pretty quickly was that you you

0:20:40.840 --> 0:20:43.080
<v Speaker 2>couldn't do a lot with it. Right. As we'll find

0:20:43.119 --> 0:20:48.320
<v Speaker 2>out later, rubber has an unusual natural chemistry, and it

0:20:48.440 --> 0:20:51.720
<v Speaker 2>just so happens that in the normal range of temperatures

0:20:51.840 --> 0:20:55.800
<v Speaker 2>outside of the tropics, it can tend to fall apart

0:20:55.800 --> 0:20:59.600
<v Speaker 2>pretty easily. Yeah, it has a narrow range of temperatures

0:20:59.760 --> 0:21:02.520
<v Speaker 2>that that allow its usefulness. Right, So once you take

0:21:02.560 --> 0:21:07.040
<v Speaker 2>it up to above the equator to say, like Europe

0:21:07.119 --> 0:21:11.040
<v Speaker 2>or the United States or whatever, and they did, they

0:21:11.040 --> 0:21:13.240
<v Speaker 2>thought it was great. They thought it was terrific. People

0:21:13.280 --> 0:21:16.199
<v Speaker 2>went crazy for it. Joseph Priestley actually came up with

0:21:16.320 --> 0:21:19.000
<v Speaker 2>a dinner party factoid that I'm sure you'd love to share.

0:21:19.520 --> 0:21:20.840
<v Speaker 4>Uh oh which one?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh you didn't, This wasn't one of them.

0:21:23.080 --> 0:21:25.800
<v Speaker 4>No, I blew mine on the two.

0:21:26.000 --> 0:21:32.680
<v Speaker 2>Joseph Priestley, who was very famous chemist, Jason Priestley's triple

0:21:32.760 --> 0:21:34.560
<v Speaker 2>great uncle. We'll say we.

0:21:34.560 --> 0:21:36.680
<v Speaker 4>Made that same joke in the anesthesia episode.

0:21:36.840 --> 0:21:39.199
<v Speaker 2>I'll bet we did, because yeah, that's where he popped up.

0:21:39.240 --> 0:21:43.600
<v Speaker 2>That's right, thanks for that. Oh and the nitrous oxide one. Yeah, yeah,

0:21:43.640 --> 0:21:45.560
<v Speaker 2>so he got his hands on some of this because

0:21:45.560 --> 0:21:48.280
<v Speaker 2>everybody's like, he's the only chemist alive, right now, give

0:21:48.280 --> 0:21:50.199
<v Speaker 2>it to him. And he's like, you know what, this

0:21:50.280 --> 0:21:53.480
<v Speaker 2>is amazing. I'm writing in pencil and then I'm rubbing

0:21:53.520 --> 0:21:59.000
<v Speaker 2>this this late text Khachuk, and it's rubbing out the

0:21:59.040 --> 0:22:02.800
<v Speaker 2>pencil marks. And that gave rise to the term rubber.

0:22:04.640 --> 0:22:07.119
<v Speaker 4>Oh that's how the name, yeah came around.

0:22:07.280 --> 0:22:11.560
<v Speaker 2>Yep, from rubbing, from rubbing out pencil marks, erasing rubber.

0:22:11.840 --> 0:22:15.320
<v Speaker 2>Interesting because remember the British loved to change everything with

0:22:15.359 --> 0:22:17.840
<v Speaker 2>an error on the end, Like soccer is actually shortened

0:22:17.880 --> 0:22:26.080
<v Speaker 2>association football, like a soccer became soccer right there? You rubber.

0:22:26.960 --> 0:22:28.840
<v Speaker 4>That's pretty interesting. I don't know how I screwed it

0:22:28.880 --> 0:22:29.520
<v Speaker 4>past that one.

0:22:30.040 --> 0:22:30.879
<v Speaker 2>I love that one.

0:22:31.200 --> 0:22:35.119
<v Speaker 4>So it became a big deal, and everyone you know

0:22:35.160 --> 0:22:37.080
<v Speaker 4>that had a little money to invest thought, hey, we

0:22:37.119 --> 0:22:39.280
<v Speaker 4>can make a lot of dough with this stuff. We

0:22:39.320 --> 0:22:43.119
<v Speaker 4>can transform that into something useful, like, let's say, in

0:22:43.160 --> 0:22:46.160
<v Speaker 4>a garment. But like you said, they had this problem

0:22:46.200 --> 0:22:48.440
<v Speaker 4>that it was a very narrow range of temperatures where

0:22:48.440 --> 0:22:50.919
<v Speaker 4>they could find it useful. So a couple of dudes

0:22:53.000 --> 0:22:55.879
<v Speaker 4>started working on it. We've talked about mister Charles Goodyear before.

0:22:57.119 --> 0:23:00.280
<v Speaker 4>We talk about him and I don't know, but I

0:23:00.359 --> 0:23:04.439
<v Speaker 4>mean definitely the Goodyear Blumps episode. But it seems like,

0:23:05.440 --> 0:23:06.879
<v Speaker 4>do we not do one in vulcanization.

0:23:07.680 --> 0:23:09.680
<v Speaker 2>I don't remember. I was looking up rubber or something

0:23:09.720 --> 0:23:12.439
<v Speaker 2>because some of the stuff in the extra source that

0:23:12.480 --> 0:23:16.440
<v Speaker 2>I sent you was kind of like talked about this before.

0:23:16.560 --> 0:23:18.879
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, we haven't done this entire episode, have we?

0:23:19.119 --> 0:23:22.600
<v Speaker 2>No? Definitely not? Okay? If so, then I really am

0:23:22.720 --> 0:23:24.040
<v Speaker 2>just totally out of my mind.

0:23:25.320 --> 0:23:27.600
<v Speaker 4>So Goodyear was one. He was working in the US,

0:23:27.760 --> 0:23:30.840
<v Speaker 4>and then another guy named Thomas Hancock, an English inventor,

0:23:31.280 --> 0:23:35.280
<v Speaker 4>partnered with a dude named Charles McIntosh and they started

0:23:35.280 --> 0:23:40.320
<v Speaker 4>making raincoats basically, yeah, the Macintosh, the classic McIntosh.

0:23:40.720 --> 0:23:45.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And so Charles Thomas Hancock was already pretty well

0:23:45.800 --> 0:23:49.320
<v Speaker 2>situated to he was already working on it, right, Yeah,

0:23:49.359 --> 0:23:53.399
<v Speaker 2>But Charles Goodyear had that breakthrough first. And it was

0:23:53.440 --> 0:23:56.320
<v Speaker 2>actually a really big deal that he had this breakthrough

0:23:56.520 --> 0:24:01.160
<v Speaker 2>because in the early eighteen thirties, Charles Goodyear became obsessed

0:24:01.200 --> 0:24:03.640
<v Speaker 2>with cracking the rubber coat. He just knew it could

0:24:03.680 --> 0:24:07.280
<v Speaker 2>be used to be made into something useful, right, Yeah,

0:24:08.160 --> 0:24:11.960
<v Speaker 2>and he became so personally committed to it. He all

0:24:12.000 --> 0:24:15.479
<v Speaker 2>of his investors went away. He went into Debtor's prisons

0:24:15.560 --> 0:24:19.240
<v Speaker 2>so regularly he referred to it as his hotel. Six

0:24:19.359 --> 0:24:22.200
<v Speaker 2>of his twelve children didn't make it to adulthood. They

0:24:22.200 --> 0:24:25.360
<v Speaker 2>were just that poor oh man. They had to sell

0:24:25.400 --> 0:24:28.080
<v Speaker 2>their dinnerware. So he made plates for him out of rubber.

0:24:29.119 --> 0:24:31.280
<v Speaker 2>It was really, really rough. So the idea that he

0:24:31.359 --> 0:24:36.800
<v Speaker 2>had this breakthrough was just enormously rewarding for him, right. Unfortunately,

0:24:37.560 --> 0:24:41.040
<v Speaker 2>as he was shopping this stuff around, this vulcanization process

0:24:41.119 --> 0:24:43.720
<v Speaker 2>or the vulcanized rubber, some of it fell into the

0:24:43.760 --> 0:24:47.199
<v Speaker 2>hands of Thomas Hancock and he reverse engineered it.

0:24:47.800 --> 0:24:50.800
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and what he basically discovered was if you slow

0:24:50.840 --> 0:24:55.080
<v Speaker 4>cooked latex with sulfur, it could it could basically transform

0:24:55.160 --> 0:25:01.000
<v Speaker 4>rubber into a very durable material that it hardy under

0:25:01.080 --> 0:25:03.960
<v Speaker 4>all kinds of temperature ranges. It would always snap back yep,

0:25:05.280 --> 0:25:08.440
<v Speaker 4>well not always and forever, which we'll get to later too.

0:25:08.600 --> 0:25:13.200
<v Speaker 4>As you know, that waistband will sometimes leave you disappointed eventually,

0:25:14.040 --> 0:25:17.479
<v Speaker 4>that's why you end up buying new underwear. Well, one

0:25:17.520 --> 0:25:18.720
<v Speaker 4>of a couple of reasons you buy.

0:25:18.680 --> 0:25:22.119
<v Speaker 2>New underwear, We take it to the thrift store.

0:25:23.160 --> 0:25:27.400
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, exactly, But yeah, that is what vulcanization is. And

0:25:27.800 --> 0:25:31.880
<v Speaker 4>Hancock and Macintosh what they were doing. They didn't crack

0:25:31.920 --> 0:25:35.919
<v Speaker 4>that code first, but they they developed called something called

0:25:35.960 --> 0:25:39.800
<v Speaker 4>the masticator. Basically, they had been making elastic threads by

0:25:39.920 --> 0:25:43.320
<v Speaker 4>slicing it from rubber bottles and raw rubber, but there

0:25:43.320 --> 0:25:46.560
<v Speaker 4>was just so much waste. They developed this machine called

0:25:46.560 --> 0:25:49.920
<v Speaker 4>a masticator and it would basically chew up this rubber

0:25:49.960 --> 0:25:53.159
<v Speaker 4>and make it into meld it together and make it

0:25:53.160 --> 0:25:56.880
<v Speaker 4>into a big single sheet of material, which was really helpful. Yeah,

0:25:56.880 --> 0:25:59.520
<v Speaker 4>but they still had that temperature problem until a Goodyear

0:25:59.600 --> 0:25:59.920
<v Speaker 4>hit it.

0:26:00.280 --> 0:26:04.439
<v Speaker 2>Right, and again they reverse engineered Goodyear's process went and

0:26:04.480 --> 0:26:06.160
<v Speaker 2>filed a patent on vulcanization.

0:26:06.359 --> 0:26:09.080
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, they could rip him off, like yes, yes, wow.

0:26:08.920 --> 0:26:11.919
<v Speaker 2>Fully And apparently it was one of those ones like

0:26:11.960 --> 0:26:14.480
<v Speaker 2>the phone where Goodyear went to go file a patent

0:26:14.520 --> 0:26:17.120
<v Speaker 2>and found out that someone else had that Hancock had

0:26:17.160 --> 0:26:20.720
<v Speaker 2>just a few weeks earlier, so he took him to court.

0:26:21.480 --> 0:26:24.639
<v Speaker 2>In order to settle, Hancock offered good Year fifty percent

0:26:24.680 --> 0:26:28.560
<v Speaker 2>of the patent to drop the lawsuit, and Goodyear said no,

0:26:28.720 --> 0:26:32.119
<v Speaker 2>and he lost the case and he died broke. Oh man,

0:26:32.200 --> 0:26:36.280
<v Speaker 2>But he was able to He was able to generate

0:26:36.359 --> 0:26:40.320
<v Speaker 2>enough royalties so that his kids were able to live

0:26:40.359 --> 0:26:44.359
<v Speaker 2>the good life thanks to him. But he Yeah, he

0:26:44.400 --> 0:26:47.159
<v Speaker 2>got ripped off for sure. And one other thing about

0:26:47.240 --> 0:26:50.200
<v Speaker 2>the about Charles Goodyear, the Goodyear Rubber or Tyre and

0:26:50.320 --> 0:26:53.199
<v Speaker 2>Rubber Company, he had nothing to do with it. They

0:26:53.280 --> 0:26:55.960
<v Speaker 2>named it after him in honor of him. Oh wow, Yeah,

0:26:56.119 --> 0:26:57.240
<v Speaker 2>I thought that was pretty cool.

0:26:57.840 --> 0:27:00.000
<v Speaker 4>You don't watch the TV show Shark Tank, do you?

0:27:00.600 --> 0:27:01.159
<v Speaker 2>I do not.

0:27:01.880 --> 0:27:03.960
<v Speaker 4>I think I've asked you that before. I you know,

0:27:04.000 --> 0:27:06.480
<v Speaker 4>the whole concept, right, is these people pitch their businesses

0:27:06.480 --> 0:27:06.840
<v Speaker 4>to them.

0:27:07.080 --> 0:27:09.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, surrounded by sharks swimming.

0:27:09.240 --> 0:27:13.119
<v Speaker 4>Well that's it now, they pitch them to the sharks,

0:27:13.160 --> 0:27:15.160
<v Speaker 4>and they either investor they don't. Everyone kind of knows

0:27:15.200 --> 0:27:19.520
<v Speaker 4>the show, but you I guess. But uh, I'm always

0:27:19.520 --> 0:27:21.919
<v Speaker 4>at home just yelling at these people when you know,

0:27:21.920 --> 0:27:24.800
<v Speaker 4>they'll offer up like twenty percent of their company and

0:27:24.840 --> 0:27:28.520
<v Speaker 4>then they'll get offered an investment from a shark for

0:27:28.760 --> 0:27:30.879
<v Speaker 4>you know, and say, but they want like forty percent,

0:27:31.320 --> 0:27:33.720
<v Speaker 4>and some of these people like turn around and walk away, which,

0:27:34.119 --> 0:27:36.240
<v Speaker 4>on one hand, I kind of respect that they don't

0:27:36.240 --> 0:27:38.560
<v Speaker 4>want to give away that much of their company. M hm.

0:27:39.000 --> 0:27:41.560
<v Speaker 4>But like I'm always just thinking, wouldn't you rather own

0:27:42.000 --> 0:27:46.200
<v Speaker 4>sixty percent of a twenty million dollar company than eighty

0:27:46.240 --> 0:27:48.240
<v Speaker 4>percent of a three million dollar company?

0:27:48.640 --> 0:27:49.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

0:27:49.440 --> 0:27:51.320
<v Speaker 4>Like sometimes I think pride gets in the way with

0:27:51.359 --> 0:27:55.040
<v Speaker 4>these people. Sure, yeah, and they don't think about just

0:27:55.119 --> 0:27:57.200
<v Speaker 4>how big these people can make their company.

0:27:57.480 --> 0:27:58.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:27:58.040 --> 0:27:58.560
<v Speaker 4>I don't know.

0:27:59.160 --> 0:28:02.920
<v Speaker 2>Who's that company though, that that turned down a billion

0:28:02.960 --> 0:28:07.720
<v Speaker 2>dollars from either Google or Facebook and just kept at

0:28:07.760 --> 0:28:11.760
<v Speaker 2>it And now it's MySpace. No, I can't. It's one

0:28:11.760 --> 0:28:14.080
<v Speaker 2>of the big social media brands that you know of

0:28:15.400 --> 0:28:18.560
<v Speaker 2>that that now is just worth gobs more money than

0:28:18.600 --> 0:28:20.080
<v Speaker 2>oh really yeah.

0:28:19.760 --> 0:28:22.800
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean, you know, there's no recipe, like, sometimes

0:28:22.840 --> 0:28:25.200
<v Speaker 4>it is better to hold on to more of your

0:28:25.240 --> 0:28:27.360
<v Speaker 4>own company because if it gets big, then you own

0:28:27.400 --> 0:28:28.080
<v Speaker 4>that much more of it.

0:28:28.119 --> 0:28:28.920
<v Speaker 2>But that's right.

0:28:29.080 --> 0:28:31.879
<v Speaker 4>I'm always kind of like, man, take the money now.

0:28:32.000 --> 0:28:35.320
<v Speaker 2>And run, as Steve Miller suggested. Is you just Steve

0:28:35.320 --> 0:28:36.560
<v Speaker 2>Miller's a scientologist?

0:28:37.160 --> 0:28:37.680
<v Speaker 4>Is he really?

0:28:37.880 --> 0:28:39.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Boy?

0:28:39.080 --> 0:28:40.280
<v Speaker 4>He went off on the Rock and Roll Hall of

0:28:40.320 --> 0:28:40.880
<v Speaker 4>Fame this year.

0:28:41.560 --> 0:28:44.000
<v Speaker 2>Why did they not vote for nominating him?

0:28:44.080 --> 0:28:47.680
<v Speaker 4>No? No, no, he got inducted and like basically trash

0:28:47.800 --> 0:28:51.640
<v Speaker 4>them on his way in and out the door. Why oh,

0:28:51.680 --> 0:28:53.160
<v Speaker 4>you'll just have to read it. It's kind of too long

0:28:53.200 --> 0:28:55.560
<v Speaker 4>to get into. But they were none too happy. I

0:28:55.600 --> 0:28:59.040
<v Speaker 4>think he came across as just a really crabby old guy.

0:28:59.280 --> 0:29:01.120
<v Speaker 2>Oh he didn't have like a point or anything.

0:29:01.320 --> 0:29:05.480
<v Speaker 4>No, he had points, but yeah, you'll just have to

0:29:05.560 --> 0:29:08.080
<v Speaker 4>check it out. I will. We're already getting sidetracked here.

0:29:08.560 --> 0:29:13.640
<v Speaker 2>Oh we've been sidetracked baby. So when regardless of who

0:29:13.640 --> 0:29:15.520
<v Speaker 2>came up with it, even though it was Charles Goodyear,

0:29:15.880 --> 0:29:18.920
<v Speaker 2>once vulcanization was introduced to the world, all of a sudden,

0:29:19.440 --> 0:29:21.920
<v Speaker 2>all of these dreams of what you could do with

0:29:22.040 --> 0:29:26.880
<v Speaker 2>a flexible, durable material that can withstand tremendous pressure and

0:29:26.960 --> 0:29:32.640
<v Speaker 2>force and heat and cold too, which was a big one.

0:29:33.240 --> 0:29:35.240
<v Speaker 2>All of a sudden, the whole world just opened up.

0:29:35.440 --> 0:29:39.760
<v Speaker 2>And what was interesting, Chuck, was because it also dovetailed

0:29:39.800 --> 0:29:44.800
<v Speaker 2>with the Industrial Revolution, Brazil, which was the rubber tree

0:29:44.880 --> 0:29:48.000
<v Speaker 2>capital at the time, went from just being like this

0:29:48.400 --> 0:29:52.080
<v Speaker 2>kind of old world colony to basically being one of

0:29:52.120 --> 0:29:55.239
<v Speaker 2>the most important countries on the planet. And it all

0:29:55.400 --> 0:29:57.120
<v Speaker 2>like virtually within a year or so.

0:29:57.600 --> 0:30:01.280
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, And that was true, jeez for a long time

0:30:01.360 --> 0:30:04.920
<v Speaker 4>until about the mid to late about eighteen seventy six,

0:30:05.000 --> 0:30:09.360
<v Speaker 4>when these British businessmen said, I'm gonna sneak these rubber

0:30:09.400 --> 0:30:13.520
<v Speaker 4>tree seeds out, take them back to England, and we're

0:30:13.520 --> 0:30:15.400
<v Speaker 4>going to see if these things grow in Southeast Asia,

0:30:15.880 --> 0:30:17.560
<v Speaker 4>where we have a lot of British colonies. And it

0:30:17.600 --> 0:30:20.880
<v Speaker 4>turns out it did, and just about thirty five years later,

0:30:20.960 --> 0:30:24.720
<v Speaker 4>the center of the global rubber market shifted to Malaysia,

0:30:24.760 --> 0:30:28.720
<v Speaker 4>Singapore and Sri Lanka. As British are thieves in this one,

0:30:28.840 --> 0:30:31.920
<v Speaker 4>so they kind of like totally ripped that off. Yeah,

0:30:31.960 --> 0:30:36.040
<v Speaker 4>and Southeast Asia was the dominating rubber capital of the world.

0:30:35.880 --> 0:30:39.360
<v Speaker 2>Which was way better for the Brits and the Americans

0:30:39.400 --> 0:30:43.240
<v Speaker 2>because we're friends with the Brits, because that meant that

0:30:43.400 --> 0:30:47.520
<v Speaker 2>these were British colonies, which meant that the access to

0:30:47.560 --> 0:30:51.360
<v Speaker 2>this rubber was basically unfettered. Yeah, there were no trade deals.

0:30:51.360 --> 0:30:53.640
<v Speaker 2>You didn't have to whine and dine a prince or

0:30:53.640 --> 0:30:55.640
<v Speaker 2>a king or anything like that. You could just be like,

0:30:55.880 --> 0:30:59.280
<v Speaker 2>we need more rubber please, yeah, which is I think

0:30:59.320 --> 0:31:04.320
<v Speaker 2>how they would order probably. So, so everything's going hunky

0:31:04.360 --> 0:31:06.480
<v Speaker 2>dory at least as far as the British and Americans

0:31:06.480 --> 0:31:10.600
<v Speaker 2>are concerned. The rubber supplies being fulfilled thanks to Malaysia, Singapore,

0:31:10.640 --> 0:31:16.080
<v Speaker 2>Sri Lanka. And it came at no too soon a

0:31:16.200 --> 0:31:22.240
<v Speaker 2>time too, because the automobile was introduced around this time,

0:31:22.440 --> 0:31:25.520
<v Speaker 2>the mass produced automobile, we should say, and those needed

0:31:25.560 --> 0:31:27.880
<v Speaker 2>four good tires made of rubber.

0:31:28.280 --> 0:31:31.800
<v Speaker 4>Yeah. And then World War Two really really increased the

0:31:31.840 --> 0:31:35.520
<v Speaker 4>need for rubber. I think here it says that in total,

0:31:36.280 --> 0:31:39.000
<v Speaker 4>the Pentagon said that they needed thirty two pounds of

0:31:39.080 --> 0:31:43.760
<v Speaker 4>rubber for every single ground troop in one way or another. Right,

0:31:44.200 --> 0:31:45.000
<v Speaker 4>That's amazing.

0:31:45.680 --> 0:31:47.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And that's why it was such a big deal

0:31:47.480 --> 0:31:52.600
<v Speaker 2>that the Japanese invaded the Pacific because the Pacific theater

0:31:52.840 --> 0:31:55.960
<v Speaker 2>featured those countries that were the rubber producing capital of

0:31:56.000 --> 0:32:01.120
<v Speaker 2>the world that had been under British control, and now

0:32:01.120 --> 0:32:03.160
<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden, no rubber supply was either cut

0:32:03.200 --> 0:32:08.920
<v Speaker 2>off or in danger. So the United States, led by FDR, said, Hey,

0:32:09.480 --> 0:32:12.200
<v Speaker 2>four biggest rubber companies, we're gonna get together and we

0:32:12.240 --> 0:32:14.680
<v Speaker 2>need to come up with a synthetic rubber too sweet,

0:32:15.000 --> 0:32:16.760
<v Speaker 2>So let's get on it. We're all gonna split the

0:32:16.800 --> 0:32:20.480
<v Speaker 2>patent evenly, and let's get to work. And in eighteen

0:32:20.560 --> 0:32:22.600
<v Speaker 2>months they had come up with a synthetic rubber.

0:32:22.800 --> 0:32:26.600
<v Speaker 4>Amazing yep. And we'll get to synthetics a bit more

0:32:26.600 --> 0:32:29.200
<v Speaker 4>in a minute. But jumping back to the mid eighteen hundreds,

0:32:29.480 --> 0:32:32.480
<v Speaker 4>the story of the rubber band is pretty interesting. These

0:32:32.480 --> 0:32:39.960
<v Speaker 4>two chaps, Stephen Perry and Thomas Barnabas Daft great name TBD,

0:32:40.400 --> 0:32:44.760
<v Speaker 4>actually invented the rubber band, the modern what we know

0:32:44.880 --> 0:32:47.840
<v Speaker 4>is the rubber band because they started slicing these They

0:32:47.880 --> 0:32:50.320
<v Speaker 4>had a rubber tube and started slicing these narrow rings

0:32:50.640 --> 0:32:52.720
<v Speaker 4>from a vulcanized rubber tube and they were like, here

0:32:52.720 --> 0:32:54.680
<v Speaker 4>you go. It's called a rubber band. You can put

0:32:54.720 --> 0:32:59.080
<v Speaker 4>it around your asparagus. Yeah, and everyone was super psyched.

0:33:00.080 --> 0:33:03.120
<v Speaker 2>Except people who hate us fergus. That was a good one, man. Uh.

0:33:03.520 --> 0:33:06.440
<v Speaker 4>And today they still kind of do it in the

0:33:06.480 --> 0:33:10.640
<v Speaker 4>same way. Rubber band wise, they create this. They mix

0:33:10.720 --> 0:33:14.040
<v Speaker 4>us latex together with all these chemicals. It depends on,

0:33:14.120 --> 0:33:16.440
<v Speaker 4>you know, what kind of rubber band you're making. And

0:33:16.480 --> 0:33:20.719
<v Speaker 4>they get this raw rubber compound into a long hollow tube,

0:33:21.240 --> 0:33:24.080
<v Speaker 4>slip it over a round pipe called the mandrel, expose

0:33:24.120 --> 0:33:26.800
<v Speaker 4>that to high heat and pressure to vulcanize it. It

0:33:26.880 --> 0:33:31.040
<v Speaker 4>cures it, and then they slice that up into rubber bands. Yep,

0:33:31.800 --> 0:33:32.400
<v Speaker 4>pretty neat.

0:33:32.920 --> 0:33:36.200
<v Speaker 2>It is pretty neat. You want to take a break

0:33:36.240 --> 0:33:39.680
<v Speaker 2>and then talk some more about how it's made.

0:33:41.120 --> 0:34:11.040
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, right after this, all right, So we've been talking

0:34:11.080 --> 0:34:16.440
<v Speaker 4>about rubber in its most natural form and how they

0:34:16.480 --> 0:34:22.040
<v Speaker 4>transformed that into usable rubbers. Pretty remarkable. But immediately after

0:34:22.080 --> 0:34:24.120
<v Speaker 4>World War Two, like we were talking about, this creation

0:34:24.200 --> 0:34:29.640
<v Speaker 4>of synthetic rubber was probably the second biggest invention of

0:34:29.680 --> 0:34:32.600
<v Speaker 4>all time. Well maybe not of all time, it's up

0:34:32.600 --> 0:34:34.759
<v Speaker 4>there though, Yeah, but when it comes to stretchy things

0:34:34.800 --> 0:34:35.160
<v Speaker 4>for sure.

0:34:35.520 --> 0:34:40.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And apparently the World War two research and development

0:34:40.600 --> 0:34:45.759
<v Speaker 2>produced not just one, but three different types of easily

0:34:45.840 --> 0:34:47.800
<v Speaker 2>manufactured synthetic rubbers.

0:34:47.920 --> 0:34:48.160
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:34:48.560 --> 0:34:51.920
<v Speaker 2>One was a beteddyinge rubber. Another was a styrene butted

0:34:51.960 --> 0:34:54.840
<v Speaker 2>diyinge rubber, and that was the one that the government

0:34:55.160 --> 0:34:58.000
<v Speaker 2>went with for World War two, and it was actually

0:34:58.080 --> 0:35:01.320
<v Speaker 2>ripped off from a German from the Germans, which they'd

0:35:01.320 --> 0:35:04.520
<v Speaker 2>come up with something similar previously. And then there's an

0:35:04.600 --> 0:35:09.000
<v Speaker 2>ethylene propylene monomer, and all three of those make up

0:35:09.320 --> 0:35:11.560
<v Speaker 2>most of today's synthetic rubbers.

0:35:11.880 --> 0:35:14.880
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and they found that this stuff worked really really well,

0:35:14.960 --> 0:35:18.360
<v Speaker 4>just as good as natural rubber had all that flex resistance,

0:35:19.760 --> 0:35:24.440
<v Speaker 4>it didn't deteriorate eventually it would again I keep teasing

0:35:24.480 --> 0:35:26.000
<v Speaker 4>like we're going to get to that, which we will.

0:35:26.719 --> 0:35:30.759
<v Speaker 4>But they found it was really well suited to replace rubber.

0:35:30.800 --> 0:35:34.480
<v Speaker 2>Well in most applications like an industrial application like a

0:35:34.520 --> 0:35:36.960
<v Speaker 2>tire or a fan bell or something like that. But

0:35:37.440 --> 0:35:42.440
<v Speaker 2>it didn't have that resilience that natural rubber has, so

0:35:42.480 --> 0:35:44.400
<v Speaker 2>there was an issue still, there was a kink that

0:35:44.480 --> 0:35:45.520
<v Speaker 2>needed to be worked out.

0:35:45.600 --> 0:35:47.759
<v Speaker 4>Well. Yeah, as far as using it in textiles for.

0:35:47.840 --> 0:35:51.440
<v Speaker 2>Sure, exactly. And they actually overcame it in nineteen fifty

0:35:51.520 --> 0:35:55.239
<v Speaker 2>nine by day, I mean DuPont Corporation, who employed two

0:35:55.320 --> 0:35:58.640
<v Speaker 2>chemists that got to work trying to crack this code,

0:35:59.000 --> 0:36:03.520
<v Speaker 2>the final code of synthetic rubber, how to make it

0:36:03.640 --> 0:36:08.239
<v Speaker 2>flexible and resilient. Right, that's right. And they started by

0:36:08.320 --> 0:36:15.040
<v Speaker 2>using a polymer, a polyurethane. Right. So well, we'll talk

0:36:15.040 --> 0:36:18.239
<v Speaker 2>about polymers in a little bit, but basically, they took

0:36:18.239 --> 0:36:22.440
<v Speaker 2>a polymer, a eurethane based polymer, and watered it down

0:36:22.760 --> 0:36:25.760
<v Speaker 2>and forced it through a plate with tiny little holes

0:36:25.760 --> 0:36:28.239
<v Speaker 2>in it. And what came on the outside were these

0:36:28.280 --> 0:36:29.320
<v Speaker 2>tiny little threads.

0:36:29.520 --> 0:36:29.759
<v Speaker 4>Yep.

0:36:29.800 --> 0:36:34.120
<v Speaker 2>And those tiny little threads were a magical creation known

0:36:34.160 --> 0:36:37.720
<v Speaker 2>as Spandex, the trade name of which originally is Lycra.

0:36:38.280 --> 0:36:41.080
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's amazing. And Spandex, they found, had a lot

0:36:41.120 --> 0:36:44.880
<v Speaker 4>of great applications. Namely, it could accept dyes, so it

0:36:44.920 --> 0:36:48.520
<v Speaker 4>wasn't just this sort of dull white color. You could

0:36:48.520 --> 0:36:51.319
<v Speaker 4>make it any color you wanted to, and you could

0:36:51.360 --> 0:36:53.239
<v Speaker 4>wash it. It didn't absorb a lot of moisture, and it

0:36:53.320 --> 0:36:56.640
<v Speaker 4>remained really stable when it was washed and dried, you know,

0:36:56.719 --> 0:37:01.120
<v Speaker 4>kind of normal moderate temperatures. So hey, you can make this,

0:37:01.400 --> 0:37:03.839
<v Speaker 4>weave it into clothing, throw it in the washer, diet

0:37:03.920 --> 0:37:06.799
<v Speaker 4>whatever color you want, and you're good to go.

0:37:07.120 --> 0:37:11.239
<v Speaker 2>And most importantly, chuck, it would snap back, it would

0:37:11.280 --> 0:37:15.080
<v Speaker 2>retain its original shape. That's right after being stretched. So, yes,

0:37:15.120 --> 0:37:18.120
<v Speaker 2>Spandex changed everything. I didn't realize it was from the

0:37:18.160 --> 0:37:22.960
<v Speaker 2>fifties Italy. Yeah, and William Harris makes a pretty good point.

0:37:23.000 --> 0:37:26.040
<v Speaker 2>He says that Spandex might be considered the modern elastic.

0:37:26.920 --> 0:37:30.760
<v Speaker 2>Like it is, it's basically the base of anything stretchy

0:37:30.800 --> 0:37:31.760
<v Speaker 2>that you use today.

0:37:32.080 --> 0:37:33.600
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and it said here, we said it's in all

0:37:33.640 --> 0:37:35.720
<v Speaker 4>kinds of stuff. They said, it's in about eighty percent

0:37:36.200 --> 0:37:39.279
<v Speaker 4>of all clothing bought by Americans. So even if you

0:37:39.320 --> 0:37:41.800
<v Speaker 4>don't think Spandex is in something, it may have a

0:37:41.800 --> 0:37:42.839
<v Speaker 4>little Spandex in there.

0:37:43.120 --> 0:37:45.920
<v Speaker 2>It's in eighty percent of all clothing bought by Americans.

0:37:46.000 --> 0:37:49.480
<v Speaker 2>One hundred percent of all Spandex pants bought by Americans.

0:37:51.280 --> 0:37:52.879
<v Speaker 2>Think about that stat for a little while.

0:37:52.960 --> 0:37:53.800
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's amazing.

0:37:54.160 --> 0:37:57.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, including jaggings, he points out, he calls them pajama jeans,

0:37:57.960 --> 0:37:59.600
<v Speaker 2>but I've always called them jaggings.

0:38:00.400 --> 0:38:01.960
<v Speaker 4>Oh is that the same thing?

0:38:02.400 --> 0:38:02.880
<v Speaker 2>I believe?

0:38:02.880 --> 0:38:08.560
<v Speaker 4>So yeah, interesting, we can hope. So Emily, when we

0:38:08.560 --> 0:38:10.400
<v Speaker 4>put them on her daughter, she calls him jazzy pants.

0:38:11.120 --> 0:38:12.319
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, that's a good one too.

0:38:12.400 --> 0:38:14.640
<v Speaker 4>But that's usually I think, usually due to the pattern

0:38:14.760 --> 0:38:16.399
<v Speaker 4>more than the snap back.

0:38:16.880 --> 0:38:17.280
<v Speaker 2>Gotcha.

0:38:17.760 --> 0:38:18.440
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:38:18.840 --> 0:38:22.319
<v Speaker 2>So we can sit here and procrastinate for several more

0:38:22.360 --> 0:38:25.520
<v Speaker 2>minutes if you want, but ultimately we're gonna end up

0:38:25.520 --> 0:38:27.680
<v Speaker 2>on the chemistry part, you realize.

0:38:27.520 --> 0:38:35.200
<v Speaker 4>Yes, And because I don't understand chemistry at all, take

0:38:35.239 --> 0:38:37.200
<v Speaker 4>it away.

0:38:37.840 --> 0:38:39.240
<v Speaker 2>We'll get you for this, chuck.

0:38:39.400 --> 0:38:40.759
<v Speaker 4>I'll throw in some words here and there.

0:38:41.080 --> 0:38:43.759
<v Speaker 2>So I don't really know chemistry either, but I know

0:38:43.840 --> 0:38:46.560
<v Speaker 2>both of us crammed on this. Yeah, so forgive us,

0:38:46.760 --> 0:38:49.120
<v Speaker 2>all you chemists out there. If we get something wrong,

0:38:49.239 --> 0:38:53.400
<v Speaker 2>let us know. But from what we understand, it's magic. Yeah.

0:38:53.440 --> 0:38:57.760
<v Speaker 2>There you go the end. So, rubber, whether it's natural

0:38:57.880 --> 0:39:01.719
<v Speaker 2>or synthetic, is a polymer, yes, right, And it's a

0:39:01.760 --> 0:39:06.200
<v Speaker 2>specific kind of polymer called an elastomer. It's an elastic polymer.

0:39:06.239 --> 0:39:10.359
<v Speaker 2>It has stretchiness and resilience, it's flexible, And any kind

0:39:10.400 --> 0:39:14.000
<v Speaker 2>of polymer is basically if you look at the molecular

0:39:14.000 --> 0:39:17.240
<v Speaker 2>structure of it, it's made up of these long repeating

0:39:17.320 --> 0:39:20.040
<v Speaker 2>chains of the same unit over and over again, and

0:39:20.120 --> 0:39:22.440
<v Speaker 2>the units are called monomers, and depending on what the

0:39:22.520 --> 0:39:28.120
<v Speaker 2>monomer is, that leads to different kinds of polymers. And

0:39:28.160 --> 0:39:32.600
<v Speaker 2>with elastomers in particular. If you look at some polymers,

0:39:32.920 --> 0:39:36.439
<v Speaker 2>the structure is bulky and big and compact, and it's

0:39:36.560 --> 0:39:40.600
<v Speaker 2>rigid and heavy and not flexible at all. Still, other

0:39:40.719 --> 0:39:42.920
<v Speaker 2>kind of polymers, say like a plastic or a resin,

0:39:43.360 --> 0:39:47.320
<v Speaker 2>are crystalline and structure and they fit so well together.

0:39:47.440 --> 0:39:51.319
<v Speaker 2>They're also rigid and not very flexible either. Then you

0:39:51.400 --> 0:39:54.400
<v Speaker 2>have elastomers, which are a kind of polymer, and because

0:39:54.400 --> 0:40:01.000
<v Speaker 2>of their molecular structure, they are super flexible and they

0:40:01.040 --> 0:40:02.120
<v Speaker 2>snap back into place.

0:40:02.800 --> 0:40:05.680
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and normally they're I mean they liken it to

0:40:05.719 --> 0:40:09.600
<v Speaker 4>this article like a coiled like a big mass of snakes. Yeah,

0:40:09.760 --> 0:40:12.400
<v Speaker 4>but they have this really neat quality, these elastomers. When

0:40:12.440 --> 0:40:15.640
<v Speaker 4>you apply force to it, the molecules actually straightened out

0:40:15.680 --> 0:40:18.439
<v Speaker 4>in the direction that you're pulling it, and that's sort

0:40:18.440 --> 0:40:20.319
<v Speaker 4>of the snapback you're talking about. But as soon as

0:40:20.320 --> 0:40:23.160
<v Speaker 4>you release it, it goes back to that coiled up arrangement.

0:40:23.560 --> 0:40:26.200
<v Speaker 2>Right when you pull it, when you apply force, they

0:40:26.239 --> 0:40:29.120
<v Speaker 2>line up basically like those snakes head to tail in

0:40:29.200 --> 0:40:30.480
<v Speaker 2>one single long line.

0:40:30.560 --> 0:40:31.600
<v Speaker 4>It's a scary snake.

0:40:31.840 --> 0:40:34.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And then when you release it, it goes back

0:40:34.239 --> 0:40:37.880
<v Speaker 2>into its original form of that coiled mass, right, perfect, Okay.

0:40:38.400 --> 0:40:40.760
<v Speaker 2>One of the reasons why any kind of rubber, natural

0:40:40.840 --> 0:40:45.120
<v Speaker 2>or synthetic, is flexible a flexible polymer is because it's

0:40:45.640 --> 0:40:49.640
<v Speaker 2>glass transition temperature is actually pretty low.

0:40:49.840 --> 0:40:52.000
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, this is where i'd kind of just got foggy.

0:40:52.480 --> 0:40:55.040
<v Speaker 2>So this is it's as simple as this, chuck a

0:40:55.080 --> 0:40:58.080
<v Speaker 2>glass transition temperature. It's not a melting point. A melting

0:40:58.080 --> 0:41:01.480
<v Speaker 2>point is where the substance actually basically just turns into

0:41:01.680 --> 0:41:05.520
<v Speaker 2>a liquid state, a disordered liquid state. The glass transition

0:41:05.640 --> 0:41:13.520
<v Speaker 2>temperature doesn't affect the molecular makeup of the substance. Instead,

0:41:13.680 --> 0:41:19.239
<v Speaker 2>it basically applies this property, the flexibility or rigidity. It's

0:41:19.239 --> 0:41:22.120
<v Speaker 2>as simple as that, right, And so anything that has

0:41:22.400 --> 0:41:27.160
<v Speaker 2>a low glass transition temperature relative to what we have

0:41:27.400 --> 0:41:31.200
<v Speaker 2>is normal temperatures outside in the world or in our

0:41:31.280 --> 0:41:34.040
<v Speaker 2>homes or whatever, is going to be flexible and floppy.

0:41:34.719 --> 0:41:39.759
<v Speaker 2>Anything with a high glass transition transition temperature is going

0:41:39.800 --> 0:41:44.919
<v Speaker 2>to be rigid and hard and not flexible. So it's

0:41:45.200 --> 0:41:48.320
<v Speaker 2>just suffice to say anything rubber, whether it's natural or synthetic,

0:41:48.520 --> 0:41:51.919
<v Speaker 2>has a low glass transition temperature, so it's flexible under

0:41:51.960 --> 0:41:57.720
<v Speaker 2>normal temperatures. But even if you took a piece of rubber,

0:41:58.000 --> 0:42:02.520
<v Speaker 2>natural rubber, and you applied you apply the temperature of

0:42:02.560 --> 0:42:05.880
<v Speaker 2>negative seventy degrees celsius or negative ninety four degrees fairy height,

0:42:06.080 --> 0:42:10.560
<v Speaker 2>it would crystallize. It's below the glass transition temperature, so

0:42:10.640 --> 0:42:13.320
<v Speaker 2>it would just basically turn rigid and crystallize and ultimately

0:42:13.360 --> 0:42:16.000
<v Speaker 2>would break apart. And that was part of the problem

0:42:16.239 --> 0:42:20.440
<v Speaker 2>with those early pre vulcanized rubbers. They would fall apart

0:42:20.480 --> 0:42:24.560
<v Speaker 2>because the glass transition temperature is not like an exact

0:42:24.719 --> 0:42:29.040
<v Speaker 2>moment where the where the thing converts from flexible to rigid.

0:42:29.680 --> 0:42:34.360
<v Speaker 2>It's the median of a large thermal window where it

0:42:34.520 --> 0:42:39.680
<v Speaker 2>starts to get crystalline and rigid and then is completely

0:42:39.719 --> 0:42:42.280
<v Speaker 2>crystalline and rigid on the other end. So of course

0:42:42.360 --> 0:42:43.880
<v Speaker 2>you would think, you know, if you get down to

0:42:43.920 --> 0:42:47.839
<v Speaker 2>say twenty degrees like it would in Boston or New

0:42:47.880 --> 0:42:49.960
<v Speaker 2>York in the nineteenth century, and you're walking around with

0:42:50.040 --> 0:42:53.080
<v Speaker 2>rubber soled shoes, they're going to crystallize and break off, right,

0:42:53.840 --> 0:42:55.360
<v Speaker 2>That's what's going on, and all has to do with

0:42:55.400 --> 0:42:56.759
<v Speaker 2>the glass transition temperature.

0:42:56.920 --> 0:43:00.880
<v Speaker 4>Okay, So during vulcanization, they heat that up with sulfur

0:43:01.600 --> 0:43:05.120
<v Speaker 4>and that makes those polymer chains linked together with sulfur atoms.

0:43:05.120 --> 0:43:07.440
<v Speaker 4>I guess that's like almost like a glue.

0:43:08.640 --> 0:43:11.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Like it's like a molecular glue from what I understand.

0:43:11.120 --> 0:43:12.880
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, okay, it makes a lot of sense.

0:43:13.000 --> 0:43:17.839
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so even when you apply intense heat or extreme cold,

0:43:18.000 --> 0:43:21.600
<v Speaker 2>it will maintain its molecular shape. Yeah.

0:43:21.640 --> 0:43:24.319
<v Speaker 4>But here's the thing I've been talking about why your

0:43:24.320 --> 0:43:26.719
<v Speaker 4>elastic band doesn't last forever and why your socks will

0:43:26.760 --> 0:43:30.919
<v Speaker 4>eventually be around your ankles. This elastic Eventually you will

0:43:30.960 --> 0:43:36.200
<v Speaker 4>lose that snapback due to ox oxidization. Oxidization oxidation, I

0:43:36.280 --> 0:43:43.200
<v Speaker 4>like oxidization natural rubber. This oxygen and in particular ozone

0:43:43.280 --> 0:43:46.680
<v Speaker 4>is going to start breaking those bonds within just days.

0:43:46.760 --> 0:43:49.479
<v Speaker 4>So it happens pretty quickly, and that's why we heat

0:43:49.520 --> 0:43:53.160
<v Speaker 4>and treat rubber like we do. But even still over

0:43:53.239 --> 0:43:58.440
<v Speaker 4>time that ozone and combine that with light UV radiation,

0:43:59.040 --> 0:44:01.239
<v Speaker 4>it's another culprit that's what's going to cause that to

0:44:01.320 --> 0:44:02.719
<v Speaker 4>eventually break down over time.

0:44:02.880 --> 0:44:06.240
<v Speaker 2>That would make sense because with vulcanization, what you're doing

0:44:06.320 --> 0:44:12.200
<v Speaker 2>is adding sulfur to the polymer, right, Yeah, and if

0:44:12.800 --> 0:44:16.439
<v Speaker 2>it would, it would make sense then that either UV

0:44:16.640 --> 0:44:19.200
<v Speaker 2>radiation or something else could break those bonds between the

0:44:19.239 --> 0:44:22.880
<v Speaker 2>sulfur and the other the other ingredients, and then they

0:44:22.920 --> 0:44:26.520
<v Speaker 2>would be replaced by oxygen, so oxidation would take place, right.

0:44:26.600 --> 0:44:29.200
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so it's pretty much ozone UV radiation and then

0:44:29.280 --> 0:44:32.200
<v Speaker 4>cold actually does make a difference. It's not gonna hold

0:44:32.280 --> 0:44:34.640
<v Speaker 4>up quite as well on cold weather. Like if you

0:44:34.680 --> 0:44:37.480
<v Speaker 4>take if you take a pair of underwear out and

0:44:37.600 --> 0:44:42.360
<v Speaker 4>like you know, negative twenty degrees in Minnesota and you

0:44:42.400 --> 0:44:45.680
<v Speaker 4>start really stretching it out a lot, it's gonna it's

0:44:45.680 --> 0:44:47.480
<v Speaker 4>gonna lose its elasticity really fast.

0:44:47.560 --> 0:44:50.640
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, anybody from Minnesota can tell you that.

0:44:50.800 --> 0:44:54.080
<v Speaker 4>Yeah. I mean, who know, they may have to buy

0:44:54.120 --> 0:44:56.880
<v Speaker 4>more underwear than like Hawaii. I have no idea.

0:44:57.080 --> 0:44:58.560
<v Speaker 2>They all wear Union suits up there.

0:44:58.640 --> 0:44:59.200
<v Speaker 4>Now, that's true.

0:45:00.320 --> 0:45:03.200
<v Speaker 2>So do you want to finish with Pat Benatar?

0:45:04.239 --> 0:45:05.680
<v Speaker 4>Oh? Man, let's bring her out.

0:45:06.000 --> 0:45:10.120
<v Speaker 2>Okay, he's gonna do an acoustic set.

0:45:10.760 --> 0:45:11.759
<v Speaker 4>Man, how great would that be.

0:45:12.360 --> 0:45:15.959
<v Speaker 2>So we did a little digging and we were trying

0:45:16.000 --> 0:45:21.560
<v Speaker 2>to figure out who basically started the eighties spandex rocker trend.

0:45:22.520 --> 0:45:24.040
<v Speaker 2>Ye spandex trend.

0:45:24.120 --> 0:45:25.880
<v Speaker 4>She was the first thing that came to my mind.

0:45:26.239 --> 0:45:29.480
<v Speaker 4>Oh really, Yeah, I just didn't know exactly how I

0:45:29.920 --> 0:45:30.520
<v Speaker 4>would have guessed.

0:45:30.560 --> 0:45:33.080
<v Speaker 2>It went back beyond Pat Benatar, And then I found

0:45:33.080 --> 0:45:35.399
<v Speaker 2>out that Pat Benatar has been a musician for much

0:45:35.440 --> 0:45:40.440
<v Speaker 2>longer than I realized. But apparently the whole thing happened

0:45:40.600 --> 0:45:44.239
<v Speaker 2>on Halloween of nineteen seventy seven. Awesome, And by this

0:45:44.320 --> 0:45:47.080
<v Speaker 2>time Pat Benatar was already like a pretty regular fixture

0:45:47.160 --> 0:45:50.000
<v Speaker 2>on the New York City club circuit. And so she

0:45:50.160 --> 0:45:54.200
<v Speaker 2>dressed up as a character from Catwomen of the Moon.

0:45:54.480 --> 0:45:56.879
<v Speaker 2>Have you seen that movie? H No, I haven't either,

0:45:56.920 --> 0:45:59.319
<v Speaker 2>but apparently cat Women on the Moon is a cult

0:45:59.320 --> 0:46:02.440
<v Speaker 2>classic sci fi movie, Okay, and I guess they wear

0:46:02.480 --> 0:46:04.680
<v Speaker 2>a lot of spandex. So she dressed up in some

0:46:04.760 --> 0:46:08.080
<v Speaker 2>a spandex get up and decided to play a show

0:46:08.160 --> 0:46:10.840
<v Speaker 2>that night at Catch a Rising Star, which is basically

0:46:10.880 --> 0:46:14.239
<v Speaker 2>her house club. You're in there? No, I haven't either.

0:46:14.360 --> 0:46:16.920
<v Speaker 4>Is it still around? I don't know, is it?

0:46:17.040 --> 0:46:19.240
<v Speaker 2>I think I know of it from like Comedy Central

0:46:19.280 --> 0:46:20.400
<v Speaker 2>in the nineties.

0:46:20.560 --> 0:46:23.120
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I think that was the name of a show.

0:46:23.600 --> 0:46:25.160
<v Speaker 2>But I think it was from that club.

0:46:25.200 --> 0:46:26.080
<v Speaker 4>Oh was it filmed there?

0:46:26.200 --> 0:46:29.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? I think so. I could be wrong, but anyway,

0:46:28.920 --> 0:46:31.320
<v Speaker 2>she was used to playing shows there, but she played

0:46:31.360 --> 0:46:34.000
<v Speaker 2>the show in this get up, the spandex get up,

0:46:34.000 --> 0:46:36.040
<v Speaker 2>and noticed that the crowd was like into it a

0:46:36.040 --> 0:46:36.960
<v Speaker 2>lot more than usual.

0:46:38.239 --> 0:46:40.400
<v Speaker 4>Then they said wowie, wow, what's she wearing?

0:46:41.080 --> 0:46:44.680
<v Speaker 2>Pretty much, it was about as simple as that. She

0:46:44.680 --> 0:46:46.719
<v Speaker 2>she was like, Okay, let me try this. I want

0:46:46.760 --> 0:46:50.239
<v Speaker 2>to do a little experiment and I'm going to do

0:46:50.280 --> 0:46:52.399
<v Speaker 2>this again, but not on Halloween. I'm going to dress

0:46:52.480 --> 0:46:55.800
<v Speaker 2>up again and do the same show. And she didn't

0:46:55.840 --> 0:46:58.640
<v Speaker 2>got another response like way better than usual response. So

0:46:58.760 --> 0:47:00.880
<v Speaker 2>she's like, that's it. I'm doing Bandix from now on.

0:47:01.640 --> 0:47:02.120
<v Speaker 4>Wow.

0:47:02.320 --> 0:47:05.880
<v Speaker 2>And then that was that. Nineteen seventy seven, Pat Benatar

0:47:06.040 --> 0:47:08.800
<v Speaker 2>starts the eighties Bandix rocker trend.

0:47:09.000 --> 0:47:11.520
<v Speaker 4>I would count that as the fourth dinner party factoid.

0:47:12.320 --> 0:47:14.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I would say so too.

0:47:14.280 --> 0:47:16.439
<v Speaker 4>And if you want a fifth catch a Rising Star

0:47:16.600 --> 0:47:19.480
<v Speaker 4>is a chain of comedy clubs and was also a

0:47:19.520 --> 0:47:20.960
<v Speaker 4>TV series in Canada.

0:47:22.280 --> 0:47:27.520
<v Speaker 2>To Now you got anything else? Uh no, Well that's

0:47:27.560 --> 0:47:30.200
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0:47:30.239 --> 0:47:33.880
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0:47:33.880 --> 0:47:37.239
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0:47:37.280 --> 0:47:39.799
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0:47:39.840 --> 0:47:41.880
<v Speaker 2>for listener mate.

0:47:43.200 --> 0:47:48.240
<v Speaker 4>Uh yeah, I'm gonna call this short but kind of funny. Hey, guys,

0:47:48.280 --> 0:47:51.360
<v Speaker 4>quick and trivial email from a fan in Pittsburgh. I

0:47:51.600 --> 0:47:57.200
<v Speaker 4>too appreciated in your uh's the episode on body Snatching,

0:47:57.360 --> 0:48:01.480
<v Speaker 4>a live episode on Grave Robbie, I too appreciated how

0:48:01.480 --> 0:48:06.320
<v Speaker 4>cool Charlie Chaplin's Body robbers partner's name was Gancho Geneff.

0:48:07.680 --> 0:48:10.640
<v Speaker 4>And I tell you we did that show a few times,

0:48:10.680 --> 0:48:12.640
<v Speaker 4>and you and I never ceased to not crack up

0:48:12.760 --> 0:48:17.200
<v Speaker 4>at the words Gancho Ganeff. Sure it's still happening. Being Jewish,

0:48:17.280 --> 0:48:21.239
<v Speaker 4>I thought a little Hebrew Yiddish languages were involved, and

0:48:21.400 --> 0:48:27.000
<v Speaker 4>Ganev in fact does mean thief. Oh really, And then

0:48:27.040 --> 0:48:29.400
<v Speaker 4>he stretches it a bit. Then he says, guancho for

0:48:29.480 --> 0:48:33.240
<v Speaker 4>that matter, seems to be Spanish for hook like dance moves.

0:48:34.680 --> 0:48:37.200
<v Speaker 4>And he said Charlie Chaplin was a dancer. He said, so,

0:48:37.280 --> 0:48:39.040
<v Speaker 4>maybe that's a stretch on the second part, but it

0:48:39.040 --> 0:48:41.560
<v Speaker 4>seems as though Gancho Ganev was born just the old

0:48:41.640 --> 0:48:45.279
<v Speaker 4>Charlie Chaplin's body Wow. I'll give you props on the

0:48:46.640 --> 0:48:50.200
<v Speaker 4>Ganef part at least, And that is from B. D. Wahlberg,

0:48:50.320 --> 0:48:53.560
<v Speaker 4>And he said, ps, you might remember me from Pittsburgh

0:48:53.880 --> 0:48:56.960
<v Speaker 4>at your live show. I asked a question in the

0:48:57.040 --> 0:48:59.560
<v Speaker 4>Q and A about how you find new ways to

0:48:59.640 --> 0:49:03.000
<v Speaker 4>rip on the post office, and I still remember I

0:49:03.000 --> 0:49:06.440
<v Speaker 4>gave my Trader Joe's bag to somebody in the audience,

0:49:07.080 --> 0:49:10.440
<v Speaker 4>and that was BD. He still still have Chuck's Trader

0:49:10.520 --> 0:49:12.040
<v Speaker 4>Joe's bag hanging in my kitchen.

0:49:12.280 --> 0:49:15.279
<v Speaker 2>Nice man. Well, thanks a lot, b D. We appreciate it.

0:49:15.920 --> 0:49:16.239
<v Speaker 4>That was.

0:49:17.160 --> 0:49:19.200
<v Speaker 2>It would have been even more ironic had he been

0:49:19.239 --> 0:49:21.239
<v Speaker 2>referencing the DV Cooper episode.

0:49:21.480 --> 0:49:23.160
<v Speaker 4>Oh did you hear about the new info?

0:49:23.520 --> 0:49:25.560
<v Speaker 2>I did, and it actually makes a lot of sense

0:49:25.640 --> 0:49:25.840
<v Speaker 2>to me.

0:49:26.160 --> 0:49:29.120
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, So for anyone that hasn't seen, they found some

0:49:29.200 --> 0:49:34.359
<v Speaker 4>actual new science that seems to indicate they found these

0:49:34.360 --> 0:49:38.200
<v Speaker 4>four elements in the tie that b dB Cooper wore.

0:49:38.719 --> 0:49:42.799
<v Speaker 4>And apparently these elements are very specific to work being

0:49:42.840 --> 0:49:44.160
<v Speaker 4>done by the Boeing company.

0:49:45.440 --> 0:49:45.640
<v Speaker 2>Yep.

0:49:45.920 --> 0:49:48.200
<v Speaker 4>So it gives a lot of credence to the theory

0:49:48.280 --> 0:49:50.880
<v Speaker 4>that he was a Boeing employee.

0:49:50.680 --> 0:49:53.840
<v Speaker 2>And even more specifically because it was on his tie,

0:49:53.920 --> 0:49:56.560
<v Speaker 2>if he were like working the actual machines that were

0:49:56.560 --> 0:49:59.680
<v Speaker 2>manufacturing this thing, he would have been wearing like cover

0:49:59.719 --> 0:50:02.759
<v Speaker 2>all something, not a tie. So it indicates that if

0:50:02.840 --> 0:50:04.520
<v Speaker 2>he worked for Boeing, he would have been like an

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<v Speaker 2>engineer or a manager who would have been wearing a

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<v Speaker 2>tie on the floor while he was out there.

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<v Speaker 4>Like, I think this is like the biggest lead they've

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<v Speaker 4>ever had. I think so too, pretty amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know who's excited about it? Secret?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah? Boy?

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<v Speaker 2>If you want to know what we're talking about, we

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<v Speaker 2>did a DV Cooper episode and this popped in. That's

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<v Speaker 2>right up.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a live episode that we hope will be available

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<v Speaker 4>to you.

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<v Speaker 2>So what else?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh? And actually, wow, boy, this is exciting. We just

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<v Speaker 4>got literally an email reply from BD because I said

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<v Speaker 4>we were going to be reading this and I think

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<v Speaker 4>this bears mentioning. What a day maker. Guys, if you

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<v Speaker 4>use a pronoun for me, I go by they and

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<v Speaker 4>them rather than.

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<v Speaker 2>He or she.

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<v Speaker 4>I know you're talking about because I am a non

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<v Speaker 4>binary listener. What up?

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<v Speaker 2>What up? B D. Thank you. It's good to hear from.

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<v Speaker 4>You, and I'd love to surprise my BFF Carlisle with

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<v Speaker 4>a great big audio high five.

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<v Speaker 2>Well I think that just happened.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow. All right, this is like real time correction slash

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<v Speaker 4>back and forth with BD.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's just see what happened. Email Obama real quick. We'll

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<v Speaker 2>sit here, Let's see what happens next. We're just gonna

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<v Speaker 2>take this for We're gonna take this ride.

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<v Speaker 4>All right. Well, thank you, b D.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, thanks a lot, b D. Good to hear from you.

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