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Speaker 1: not only do we have a lot to talk about
Speaker 1: on this show, but Lance Storm returns in about two
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Speaker 1: He was off last week because he did a couple
Speaker 1: of extra shows for US, but as usual, Friday show
Speaker 1: returns today. On this show, we have a lot of news,
Speaker 1: including Dynamite ratings for Wednesday night show did well and
Speaker 1: in fact to beat Raw in eighteen to We have
Speaker 1: updates on Rampage tonight. One of the matches is off
Speaker 1: the show as a result of a COVID nineteen protocol,
Speaker 1: so we'll give you the lineup for the show coming
Speaker 1: up here tonight. It is a live episode of Rampage.
Speaker 1: I was reading something yesterday. There was a thread. I
Speaker 1: don't even know where it was, but somebody was mad
Speaker 1: that I had spoiled Rampage tonight because I I basically
Speaker 1: told you who I expected to win all the matches.
Speaker 1: The show's live. I actually didn't give any spoilers. It
Speaker 1: hasn't been taped, but anyway, we'll talk about the show
Speaker 1: coming up tonight more on Mustafa Ali. We got some
Speaker 1: Impact Wrestling notes that kind of main event for No
Speaker 1: Surrender the Championship match next month. Lance will talk about
Speaker 1: more on the Impact show on the Figure four Daily episode. Today,
Speaker 1: we've got Buddy Matthews returning to m l W, which
Speaker 1: has the big show in Dallas this weekend, which unfortunately
Speaker 1: the von Erics will not be wrestling on as a
Speaker 1: result of a COVID anybody not have COVID right now.
Speaker 1: We've also got some ticket sale notes. We haven't done
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Speaker 1: dot com, says here on the front page of Wrestling
Speaker 1: Observer dot com. The reunion of Rappongi Vice will have
Speaker 1: to wait a while longer, as Rocky Romero's t aposit
Speaker 1: for a COVID Night Team will not be On Friday's
Speaker 1: live edition of a w Rampage, Romero sitt to team
Speaker 1: with former teammate Trent Barretta against the Young Bucks in Washington,
Speaker 1: d C, rekindling a rivalry that really took flight in
Speaker 1: the Rings of New Japan Pro Wrestling. In its place
Speaker 1: will be the Bretta Nick Jackson match, which was first
Speaker 1: announced by Tony Conn and Busted Open Radio on Friday.
Speaker 1: Concept called there's a good chance there's going to be
Speaker 1: a small change to the match due to medical protocols.
Speaker 1: Before announcing the new singles encounter, Con also said that
Speaker 1: Moxley versus Ethan Page will kick off the show and
Speaker 1: Jade Cargill and Anna j Is the main event. Makes sense.
Speaker 1: Hook is also scheduled for action against their Pentago in
Speaker 1: the former's first ever live match. Mm hmm, so there
Speaker 1: well mystified maybe by the well I'm i'm, I'm, I'm.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I mystified until I watch the show.
Speaker 1: But given what they have done with long Jade Card
Speaker 1: Deal matches lately, I realized sees the champions, she probably
Speaker 1: should be closing the show. But I I, if let's
Speaker 1: just put it this way, if they're planning on going
Speaker 1: twelve minutes for Jade Car Deal and Anna J, I
Speaker 1: don't know if that's the match I would main event
Speaker 1: the show with. But if there's gonna be a three
Speaker 1: minute Goldberg style destruction of Anna J and the main event,
Speaker 1: and then somebody comes out to challenge Jade Car Deal
Speaker 1: and you do an angle, I'm cool with that. Let
Speaker 1: just put it that way. I guess the for me,
Speaker 1: no matter where you put it, if it goes twelve minutes,
Speaker 1: it's not gonna be a good idea. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Well, it's not an idea if this goes
Speaker 1: twelve minutes, regardless of where it goes on this show exactly.
Speaker 1: And to me, with a show that's like Saturday Night's
Speaker 1: main event, you're gonna get your highest viewership. You're gonna
Speaker 1: want to make the biggest impact to start the show.
Speaker 1: You know, it makes complete sense to me that see
Speaker 1: him Punk will go ahead and start the show. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, so I I'm sorry, John Moxley would go
Speaker 1: ahead and start the show with Ethan Page. I mean
Speaker 1: that makes the most sense to me, and then I
Speaker 1: would roll out hook next, and then I would have
Speaker 1: that longer match and then to me lead into you
Speaker 1: can still say it main event of the show. It's
Speaker 1: not an insult. You know that the the TBS Championship
Speaker 1: is going to main event rampage. I know people will, hey, well,
Speaker 1: isn't John Moxley and starting the show the main event? Yeah?
Speaker 1: You look at it both ways. Okay, you know it
Speaker 1: works for everybody. The bottom line is, of all of
Speaker 1: these matches, that's the one that needs to go short,
Speaker 1: and they need to figure out a way to make
Speaker 1: it go short, or if it's gonna go a little
Speaker 1: bit longer than three minutes, you better have some stuff
Speaker 1: from the outside. You better have Mark Sterling involved, you
Speaker 1: better have John Silver involved, whatever. But you're gonna have
Speaker 1: to do more than just rely on those two to
Speaker 1: have a you know, again, it's nothing against him, it's
Speaker 1: the experience level. But to have them have a main
Speaker 1: event match, they're gonna need all the help and as
Speaker 1: and bhustles and distractions they can get the Dynamite ratings
Speaker 1: for Wednesday showed it well one point oh three two
Speaker 1: million viewers, up six point five percent from last week.
Speaker 1: Best viewership number on TBS to date is the show's
Speaker 1: best audience ince October two. Dynamite top the cable charts
Speaker 1: with an O point four four and eighteen and forty nine,
Speaker 1: So Yes, It's a beat. Raw, which did an O
Speaker 1: point for three, up twelve point eight percent from the
Speaker 1: previous week, finished ahead of two NBA games that aired
Speaker 1: on ESPN, including beating the game it went head to
Speaker 1: head with by fifteen point eight percent, So Yes, Dynamite
Speaker 1: was number one on cable. I want to get an
Speaker 1: NFL playoff game, but was up in the demo from
Speaker 1: last week, which had a competition from the College Football
Speaker 1: National Championship Dynamite. The biggest increase was with women eighteen
Speaker 1: to forty nine shows up twenty three point one for
Speaker 1: sent to a point three two and there you go.
Speaker 1: I've actually got the quarters from Brand and Thirst. Essentially,
Speaker 1: what happened was the show started super high, and uh,
Speaker 1: it didn't fall the entire time, but there was there
Speaker 1: was a minor decline in most of the segments with
Speaker 1: the exception of the ten o'clock hour, which I think
Speaker 1: was the Cody promo where it went up and they
Speaker 1: started going back down again. But they are absolutely helped
Speaker 1: by the lead in that they get. So hey, listen whatever.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a reason Rodd overruns. There's a RAW
Speaker 1: that often followed big shows. I mean, if you can
Speaker 1: get a big lead in same with any show, then
Speaker 1: that's good for you. So that's the numbers four the week. Yeah,
Speaker 1: especially one that I would have considered long in the
Speaker 1: two if I know it was a really popular show,
Speaker 1: but I was really I'm surprised in the way that
Speaker 1: they're keeping women and and keeping them involved in watching
Speaker 1: the show. So you know, kudos to them, and and
Speaker 1: good it's good to have a good week when your
Speaker 1: opposition has a bad week and was loaded up against
Speaker 1: and that's what happened to Raw. So if you're an
Speaker 1: a W fan that loves to dunk on other people
Speaker 1: online and stuff like that, just be careful because you know,
Speaker 1: at some point football goes away, and as we move
Speaker 1: towards Mania season, it's gonna be it's gonna be tough.
Speaker 1: You know, it'll be interesting to see. I mean, obviously
Speaker 1: the numbers are are close, and they're going to be
Speaker 1: somewhat in battle, but for the most part, Raw still
Speaker 1: holds that advantage. So I'd be very careful if you're
Speaker 1: looking at dunk on others right now. Are we guess
Speaker 1: some ticket sale notes here which are a mixed bag.
Speaker 1: SmackDown Tonight is at the Bridgestone Arena in Nashville, Tennessee,
Speaker 1: and fifty seven hundred tickets out eight seven percent full.
Speaker 1: There's about eight hundred tickets left for the show tonight.
Speaker 1: Raw on Monday has got forty eight hundred tickets out full.
Speaker 1: They got about a thousand tickets left. They've just opened
Speaker 1: up a new upper deck. This is the Raw go
Speaker 1: home for the Royal Rumble. That is UH Toledo SmackDown
Speaker 1: next week, which is the SmackDown go home show for
Speaker 1: the Royal Rumble. Is currently a thirty nine hundred fans
Speaker 1: and they've got twenty five hundred tickets still out. It's
Speaker 1: only six full. That's the T Mobile Center in Kansas City,
Speaker 1: so that one has got a long way to go.
Speaker 1: And then the post Royal Rumble Raw is also at
Speaker 1: thirty hundred fans. It is only seventy full and they've
Speaker 1: still got fifteen hundred tickets remaining. Rampage tonight is uh
Speaker 1: at twenty six hundred fans at the Entertainment and Sports
Speaker 1: Arena in Washington, d C. That is seventy full, but
Speaker 1: there's still tickets remaining. Dynamite in Cleveland, which is this
Speaker 1: coming Wednesday, is currently full, fifty hundred fans and tickets left.
Speaker 1: And then the February second Dynamite. This is actually the
Speaker 1: one to watch, the February second Dynamite because this is
Speaker 1: the show from Chicago. It is currentlyts out, two thousand
Speaker 1: tickets remaining. It's full, but I would expect they're shooting
Speaker 1: an angle in Cleveland that is going to lead to
Speaker 1: a big match in Chicago, and that might be It's
Speaker 1: possible that Chicago will be CM Punk versus m JF.
Speaker 1: And so if that match ends up taking place, because
Speaker 1: Punk did a promo and basically said that this match
Speaker 1: with with MGF is going to take place in the
Speaker 1: last place MGF wanted to take play sin, I presume
Speaker 1: that's Chicago. So if they announced see him Punk versus
Speaker 1: m JF for Chicago on Dynamite, we should see. Well,
Speaker 1: it'll be interesting to see what happens to those remaining
Speaker 1: two thousand tickets right there. So it's possible they're gonna
Speaker 1: hold that off to the pay per view. But the
Speaker 1: pay per view is quite a ways away. We're still
Speaker 1: talking about early March, so they have to hold this
Speaker 1: match off for six more weeks. So they may do
Speaker 1: the first match in Chicago and then the second match.
Speaker 1: If they're gonna do a second match quickly, could be
Speaker 1: at the pay per view, or maybe it'll be m
Speaker 1: JF and and wardload the pay per view. I'm not
Speaker 1: sure what they're going to do, so that'll be the
Speaker 1: one to watch. Their tickets remaining, and uh, February second
Speaker 1: is the date. You know, they got options and if
Speaker 1: to me, you can do two matches between see them
Speaker 1: punking MJF rather easily, and you can get good heat
Speaker 1: in somebody's hometown. You could really move an angle forward,
Speaker 1: You could really shake something up, you know, between the
Speaker 1: two and keep people interested as Wardlow continues to play,
Speaker 1: you know, a factor in all of this and battling
Speaker 1: into them day up and whatever else punk has got
Speaker 1: going on as well too, So you can easily do
Speaker 1: two matches and get something done back in a moment
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Speaker 1: And uh, what is this? Here? Is this here? Somebody said?
Speaker 1: Somebody's texted me saying, judging by his latest tweet, Ali
Speaker 1: should just tweet out whatever Vince's plans were for him.
Speaker 1: So I went to his uh, his Twitter, and Ali
Speaker 1: his h he has posted a shot of from the
Speaker 1: Dark Night when the Jokers standing there in front of
Speaker 1: the mountain of burning bills. So I was going to
Speaker 1: give him too much credit because I didn't see that
Speaker 1: movie or I don't know anything about that. So I
Speaker 1: was gonna say, I thought that was a pretty cool
Speaker 1: shot there with Ali. So it was a pretty cool shot.
Speaker 1: It was a pretty cool movie. I can't believe I've
Speaker 1: seen some cool movie you haven't seen. But anyway, your
Speaker 1: opinions are relevant toil. You see Godfather, I've seen The Godfather.
Speaker 1: The right Thing, do the right thing. Now I haven't
Speaker 1: seen it. I just do the right thing all the time.
Speaker 1: Mhm man, I got it and I'm gone, And I
Speaker 1: was thinking about this, uh gun thirst Stark, Oh no,
Speaker 1: why don't don't give that thought? What what? Well? And
Speaker 1: I've heard from a lot of people that you know,
Speaker 1: they're certainly not defending the name Gunther Stark so much,
Speaker 1: but like you know, they're they're asking a lot of questions, like,
Speaker 1: you know, are we sure that w w E knew
Speaker 1: what they were doing? Is it possible they didn't know?
Speaker 1: Is it possible that like Vaulter wanted the name and
Speaker 1: and you know, they didn't know. And listen, all of
Speaker 1: that is possible. Okay, it's all possible, all right. But
Speaker 1: the fact of the matter is, after all these years,
Speaker 1: including on a show where Sarai is re debuting dressed
Speaker 1: as a Japanese school girl, and Ali had an idea
Speaker 1: from Vince McMahon that led him to want to quit
Speaker 1: and tweet out a photo of him in front of
Speaker 1: a you know when you watch the world burn. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just very hard for me to give w w
Speaker 1: E the benefit of the doubt in this situation. If
Speaker 1: that makes me an unfair man or a bad person,
Speaker 1: then I I am afraid that I have to accept that.
Speaker 1: But I just cannot give w w E the benefit
Speaker 1: of the doubt in this gun th Stark situation. That's
Speaker 1: just me. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong now, quite frankly,
Speaker 1: I've asked a lot of people and nobody is admitting
Speaker 1: to coming up with the idea. Nor have I, by
Speaker 1: the way, heard anybody in w w E give their
Speaker 1: own company the benefit of the doubt. So I could
Speaker 1: be wrong and they could be wrong. I don't know,
Speaker 1: but man, oh man, it's very hard to give them
Speaker 1: the benefit of the doubt in this situation. You are
Speaker 1: not wrong. I am not wrong. No one who is
Speaker 1: not giving w w E the benefit of the doubt
Speaker 1: is wrong period. You know, the repute, their reputation speaks
Speaker 1: for itself. History is on our side. For those people
Speaker 1: who are looking at this with a real cynical eye
Speaker 1: and have a an issue with it, maybe some people
Speaker 1: have a real problem with it. I just take umbridge
Speaker 1: with it. I have an issue with it. I think
Speaker 1: it's ridiculous on a lot of different levels, and I
Speaker 1: think it's uh, it's just it's just another shining example
Speaker 1: of just missing the boat, completely missing the U boat completely.
Speaker 1: You know, changing these names in the first place is ridiculous,
Speaker 1: not doing your due diligence and the way you needed
Speaker 1: to do. Having those that tweet and that stuff from
Speaker 1: Bartel where it looked like this was either if it's
Speaker 1: not being planned, I mean, what, what's w W gonna
Speaker 1: say that? Well, they shouldn't have tweeted that out. We
Speaker 1: don't know what they were doing. They were acting on
Speaker 1: their own. Nobody's saying that, you know, all for all
Speaker 1: of the people that are saying, you know, Walter could
Speaker 1: have chosen this name, nobody's nobody's really saying anything about that.
Speaker 1: Nobody's really backing up that from inside the company that
Speaker 1: that is this was Walter's idea or anything like that.
Speaker 1: Like Brian said, most of the people that I've talked
Speaker 1: to are looking at this and rolling their eyes and
Speaker 1: have the same thoughts that a lot of us do.
Speaker 1: It was just sloppy, It was ignorant, It was unneeded,
Speaker 1: and they have to pay whatever social price are gonna
Speaker 1: have to pay for that. Not gonna put them out
Speaker 1: of business, and they're not gonna care. They're gonna be
Speaker 1: in Saudi Arabia soon. People are gonna be upset and
Speaker 1: outrage about that. They're gonna do plenty of other things
Speaker 1: on top of having a completely vanilla, painfully slow, painfully unfunny,
Speaker 1: painfully on entertaining television show and television product across all brands, period,
Speaker 1: no matter what it is. So you know, I just
Speaker 1: come on, you know, and I and I have feeling
Speaker 1: you'll be doing this again. Maybe in about an hour
Speaker 1: or so, you'll be You'll be talking about this issue
Speaker 1: and getting Lance's thoughts on it, and I'm very interested
Speaker 1: to hear what he has to say about it. But
Speaker 1: I just nobody, Why are people still now trying to
Speaker 1: defend this or stand up for WDW or any of
Speaker 1: that stuff? You just again with history not being on
Speaker 1: their side. I mean, come on, really, please for Christ's sakes,
Speaker 1: be leaving w w E for years. According to a report,
Speaker 1: Fightful Select reports, w w E has refused to grant
Speaker 1: all these public requests to be released from his contract,
Speaker 1: a contract that has years left on it. The report
Speaker 1: states at Ali and w w have been in context
Speaker 1: since he made his request on Sunday. The company has
Speaker 1: told Ali they will not to grant the release now
Speaker 1: and have no plans to in the future. I'd like
Speaker 1: to invite Ali onto this show, come on the show
Speaker 1: and tell us all about it, because he's not allowed to,
Speaker 1: so he should, and then maybe they'll fire him and
Speaker 1: we can get the full story. That would actually kill
Speaker 1: many birds with one stone if he just came on
Speaker 1: this show to talk about it. He's been gone from
Speaker 1: television since November, and the Really Reports states that a
Speaker 1: heated argument with Vince McMahon over a pitch that McMahon
Speaker 1: made to Ali regarding his character was the catalyst for
Speaker 1: Ali not appearing on TV. So not only was Vince's
Speaker 1: idea an idea that made him want to quit, but
Speaker 1: it led to a heated argument with Ali and Vince McMahon.
Speaker 1: But we should give them the benefit of the doubt.
Speaker 1: Maybe they just wanted him to uh. I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe they wanted him to just cut his hair, you know,
Speaker 1: something simple. Hey, Brian, was this the company that uh
Speaker 1: that had Charlotte Fair uh and have her dead brother's
Speaker 1: name invoked in the storyline, and then that was trying
Speaker 1: to be positioned as Charlotte's idea And maybe it was
Speaker 1: Charlotte's idea, well it because it didn't sound that way
Speaker 1: and it. It actually sounded like later on, especially when
Speaker 1: Rick talked about it, that she wasn't okay with it.
Speaker 1: You know, again, this is just a long line of insensitivity,
Speaker 1: a long line of of again just ignorance, just flat
Speaker 1: out ignorance, you know. And with Ali, it's amazing what
Speaker 1: they It's amazing. They're not gonna let him go, but
Speaker 1: you let all those other people go. You talk, you know,
Speaker 1: you you brought up on rampage that you know there
Speaker 1: was blood these women, Oh they massacred themselves. You know,
Speaker 1: what about like something for real? Like what about you
Speaker 1: bringing over uh Alice in danger and you have her
Speaker 1: uproot her whole life and her whole family to bring
Speaker 1: her over to cut her and send her backpacking again?
Speaker 1: How many days after you you bring her? It's just
Speaker 1: just just sorry, just just slimy and sorry. And they're
Speaker 1: getting what they deserve any bad I mean, and again
Speaker 1: they don't have to bad press. I'm not rooting for
Speaker 1: him to get bad pressed, but as far as people
Speaker 1: looking at them and just blowing them off in hand
Speaker 1: waving them and not taking him seriously on any of
Speaker 1: this stuff, and and you know, it's just they get
Speaker 1: what they deserve. Your root in it, that's what you get.
Speaker 1: Moose will put his Impact World title on the line
Speaker 1: against W. Morrissey at next months No Surrender the Live
Speaker 1: Impact Plus Events that for Saturday February Ninete, along with
Speaker 1: Matt Cardona and two squared off in a three way
Speaker 1: for the title. It hard to kill it Moose one
Speaker 1: on the following Impact Morsey made it clearly one did
Speaker 1: Moose one on one for the gold, but the champion
Speaker 1: had no interest. On Thursday's show, Morrisey won a handicap
Speaker 1: match against VSK and Zicky Dice went searching for Moose,
Speaker 1: but Scott de Morriseity wasn't there and then made the
Speaker 1: match for the special So Moose versus W. Morrissey, which
Speaker 1: is one of my favorite names and wrestling along with Harland,
Speaker 1: that would never get so old. M hmm. I'll hold
Speaker 1: out for this weekend and weight on Homicide and uh
Speaker 1: John Moxley that's more of my speed. Well, that sounds
Speaker 1: like it'll probably be a pretty good match. I would think.
Speaker 1: This person here says I live in Nashville. I had
Speaker 1: no idea SmackDown was here. Therefore I am not going
Speaker 1: you know, it's ironic about that you know it's ironic.
Speaker 1: So and by the way for people to think I
Speaker 1: hate w w E. I was Wetion SmackDown on Friday
Speaker 1: and they had a commercial for w w E coming
Speaker 1: to whatever the new buildings called here in in early February.
Speaker 1: I thought, you know what, man, how old is Paisley now?
Speaker 1: Almost six? I bet you'd have a lot of fun
Speaker 1: going to a w w E show. There's no you know,
Speaker 1: there's something scary. It's just like lights and music and
Speaker 1: people do influence. Man, I should take I may take
Speaker 1: her to this w w E show in in in February.
Speaker 1: And I rewounded. I watched the thing again and I
Speaker 1: got the date and I started looking at the calendar
Speaker 1: and I realized that they canceled that show. They postponed
Speaker 1: it like two months ago. Remember this. They moved it
Speaker 1: to September months ago, and they're still airing a commercial
Speaker 1: for the show that's not taking place in early February.
Speaker 1: So I got the opposite problem. I didn't know they
Speaker 1: were coming, but they're not the same goes for any
Speaker 1: of you in Toronto and was in Montreal or Calgary,
Speaker 1: wherever it was to It was part of those shifts,
Speaker 1: right all those dates got moved around there. Oh, by
Speaker 1: the way, speaking of Canada for a second, to Sammy's aim.
Speaker 1: One thing we didn't talk about and mentioned when he
Speaker 1: came to why you know Sammy's aim remaining in w
Speaker 1: W E you know is it makes a lot of
Speaker 1: sense and a lot of ways, and I have no
Speaker 1: problem with it whatsoever. The same way with Kevin Owens,
Speaker 1: I didn't have a problem with it whatsoever with him resigning.
Speaker 1: Is no matter what happens, no matter how they're portrayed
Speaker 1: or any of that sort of stuff, they are going
Speaker 1: to be heroes in Quebec. And I know they got
Speaker 1: two point oh, I know Chris Jericho's obviously they're on
Speaker 1: the roster big star in Canada. But the one place
Speaker 1: that w W has still got a great advantage. They
Speaker 1: got it in a couple of different places, but they're
Speaker 1: really having Quebec in Mazane and no one's being there.
Speaker 1: They're gonna be stars forever. Backing them on with your
Speaker 1: calls Wrestling Observer Live. You're listening to Wrestling Observer Live
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Speaker 1: On the Juice. Yeah, firstans, what's with woulna be wanting
Speaker 1: people to get their heads shaved in n x T.
Speaker 1: First the Scotty Too Haughty interview and now Javier Bernal
Speaker 1: being asked to cut his hair. Well, first off, they
Speaker 1: wanted people to cut their hair off forever for some reason.
Speaker 1: And uh, if I recall the story on Javier, I
Speaker 1: believe that they were actually in the ring training when
Speaker 1: Johnny Ace came up and want him to cut his
Speaker 1: hair right there in the ring, like put him on
Speaker 1: the spot and did the old Well you don't have to,
Speaker 1: but we would strongly recommend it, And so went from
Speaker 1: the long haired guy to just a normal looking dude.
Speaker 1: It's ridiculous. Hey kid, here, these are Vince's scissors. I mean,
Speaker 1: you don't have to cut your hair, but you know,
Speaker 1: m prophetic. Well it goes along with well, we want stars,
Speaker 1: but we're not gonna First we're gonna make you all
Speaker 1: look normal, and then you know, we we want young women,
Speaker 1: but you know we're gonna book them like idiots, and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, we want to create stars for the main suster.
Speaker 1: But well, look, even if we somehow actually make a
Speaker 1: mistake and make you a star, here's what's gonna happen. Okay,
Speaker 1: you're gonna lose your money. Okay, you're gonna invest in
Speaker 1: strip mall that fails, You're going to have a relationship
Speaker 1: that ends terribly. Whatever it is, you're going to be
Speaker 1: begging back on your knees on either raw or SmackDown
Speaker 1: or maybe even now at NEXTD two point. Oh, you know,
Speaker 1: for some sort of of redemption to be bequeathed you
Speaker 1: by the McMahon family. I mean, that's usually what happens
Speaker 1: with stars. We've seen it with the biggest of stars,
Speaker 1: so be careful about that. You never know. First here
Speaker 1: said he one. Hey, let's go to the phone. Let's
Speaker 1: try that. Let's see what this. I think this is
Speaker 1: Dagon right here, main man, Diagan, it's down the air, Digan.
Speaker 1: What's going on? Guys? A long time no talk? What's
Speaker 1: up to? Which? Holmies? Mike? I hope you have a
Speaker 1: great time at the Hammerstein this weekend. I would probably
Speaker 1: be there with you all if it wasn't worried a
Speaker 1: little bit about the up it in cases. But I
Speaker 1: will be watching on the Old Fight and it looks
Speaker 1: like a stat card man. I can't wait for that show.
Speaker 1: Much like Devin Storm uh Tony Schivanni would always say
Speaker 1: about him and he'd russells Sabu on Nitro. He doesn't
Speaker 1: care about his body, Dagan. That's why I'm going to this.
Speaker 1: I'll do it for you, Okay, I'll put myself out
Speaker 1: there for you. I promise you. I'll have a good
Speaker 1: time at the g c W show at the Hammerstein Ballroom.
Speaker 1: It'll be better than having to talk about w W A.
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. It's much better than talking about n
Speaker 1: x T two point out. But hey, look, I did
Speaker 1: have a question for you guys. Wanted to see your
Speaker 1: thoughts just on kind of the idea of maybe having
Speaker 1: the women be in the main event of one of
Speaker 1: these big four a W pay per views this year,
Speaker 1: either Revolution uh double or nothing all out full gear.
Speaker 1: I think Britt Baker and thunder Rosa's worthy of that
Speaker 1: main event slot at this point, possibly if you're gonna
Speaker 1: have her have that big title win. I wanted to
Speaker 1: get your thoughts on that because it's something a W
Speaker 1: hasn't on yet have the women as like the actual
Speaker 1: main event. So I hope you guys have a good one. Bigan.
Speaker 1: I want to thank you very much for the call.
Speaker 1: I listen. Here's the thing with women and men and
Speaker 1: tag teams. Okay, if the match is the hottest match
Speaker 1: on the pay per view, it should be the main event.
Speaker 1: If not, it should not be the main event. That's
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter if it's women, men, tag teams. It
Speaker 1: does not matter. People, the hottest match on the show
Speaker 1: is going to main event. Okay. If they don't have
Speaker 1: a women's match that is hotter than any other match
Speaker 1: on the show, it shouldn't main event. It should not
Speaker 1: main event just because they're women. If you want equality,
Speaker 1: then whether you're a man or woman or whatever, then
Speaker 1: you will main event. If you're the hottest match, regardless
Speaker 1: of who's involved in it, it's it. So I don't
Speaker 1: like the idea of well, we're gonna, you know, make
Speaker 1: sure that in March, women are gonna main event that
Speaker 1: pay per view or whatever. No if if if you
Speaker 1: do the build to Britt Baker and thunder Rosa and
Speaker 1: these two are tearing it up, and the interviews are great,
Speaker 1: and people are clamoring to see this match, and it's
Speaker 1: hotter than a Hangman Page versus Adam Cole. Then fine,
Speaker 1: main event with that match. But you don't main event
Speaker 1: only because there are women. You don't mean event only
Speaker 1: because it's a tag team. You don't main event. You
Speaker 1: main event if it's the hottest championship match. That's my opinion.
Speaker 1: That's a good opinion to have, and I agree with
Speaker 1: most of it, but I will also throw in the
Speaker 1: caveat that the tie goes to the runner, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And if it's not the world title,
Speaker 1: there are times where if all things are even, then
Speaker 1: the Roses star, Britt Baker's star just as big of
Speaker 1: a star as anybody else on that roster. Put them together.
Speaker 1: They can make magic just as well as anybody else
Speaker 1: on that roster. Oh why not give him that shot?
Speaker 1: And I've always been partial to tag teams obviously, you know,
Speaker 1: Steamboat and Young Blood and Slaughter and Crudal on the Wall.
Speaker 1: Will always love tag teams. Product of the eighties had
Speaker 1: great ones FTR and the Briscoes come to town. All
Speaker 1: things even, you don't have any w World title match,
Speaker 1: you don't have something so over the top, put it
Speaker 1: on there, because sometimes you have to do that so
Speaker 1: people know these are main eventors, These are stars, you know,
Speaker 1: These are people that are just on that same level
Speaker 1: with Adam Page and with John Moxley and Brian Danielson
Speaker 1: and see him Punk and Chris Jericho their biggest names.
Speaker 1: These teams, these women whoever, they're on the level as
Speaker 1: well too. So if at all, if it does happen,
Speaker 1: I would absolutely do that for one of the big
Speaker 1: four pay per views. It doesn't necessarily mean that they
Speaker 1: you know they will or again, they only have four,
Speaker 1: it's not like they have twelve or whatever. So you
Speaker 1: know that rosa Britt Baker match. That can be a
Speaker 1: main event on Dynamite easy, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: And so like where it was to me, and that's
Speaker 1: the thing is, and it's gonna be again. If it happens,
Speaker 1: that'd be on a pay per view. I think that
Speaker 1: would be great. I really do think that would be great.
Speaker 1: So unless there's a title world title match, and the way,
Speaker 1: why not they deserve it, They actually deserve it. There's
Speaker 1: nothing you can say about those two right now that
Speaker 1: would fall under what you're saying Brian, like if you
Speaker 1: put Jade and Anna in the main event of a
Speaker 1: pay per view then, because then you'd be doing it
Speaker 1: just to do it, you know. But with those with Rosa,
Speaker 1: I mean, Rose's legitimate star in Britt Baker again, other
Speaker 1: than the handful of people I named, she's just as
Speaker 1: big as a star as MGF or Jungle Boy or
Speaker 1: Darby Allen or you know, almost any of them right now,
Speaker 1: just as Mark, She's maybe is more popular than her husband. Alrighty,
Speaker 1: let's go to part's mouth. You're in the air. What's
Speaker 1: going on? Hey, guys, what's going on? Brandon here? Um? So,
Speaker 1: I was asking about the with Adam Cole and Hangman,
Speaker 1: if indeed that's gonna be the the next challenger for Hangman,
Speaker 1: do you put the title on Cole or do you
Speaker 1: give Hangman even that bigger win? My thought would be
Speaker 1: that with Cole involved with the stuff with the Young Bucks,
Speaker 1: everybody Dragon, and possibly if Omega is back by then
Speaker 1: it seemed that there will be a lot going on
Speaker 1: with there that you probably don't really need the title for.
Speaker 1: In that I absolutely would not put the title on
Speaker 1: Adam Cole, and I love Adam Cole, but Hangman. Hangman
Speaker 1: should be should be defending this title for a while
Speaker 1: and uh against top guys and beating top guys, and uh,
Speaker 1: as we've said a million times, when the time is right,
Speaker 1: Hangman is gonna do a job somebody and a thing
Speaker 1: about the MGFC and Punk match, and we we have
Speaker 1: been talking about MGF for a while. And you know,
Speaker 1: should MGF be losing if he's if he's in line
Speaker 1: for the title, and the answers if he's in line
Speaker 1: for a title shot, No, he should not be losing, Okay,
Speaker 1: but I don't think he's in line for the title
Speaker 1: shot imminently. I think that we're probably going in March two,
Speaker 1: likely Adam Cole versus Hangman. And I don't know if
Speaker 1: MGF versus Hangman would even be at the end of May.
Speaker 1: I mean it could be. It could be all out
Speaker 1: weekend for all I know. So it would not hurt
Speaker 1: MGF to do a job, to see him Punk here,
Speaker 1: to further the feud with Punk and to further the
Speaker 1: feud with Wardlow. And you know, you think about Hangman
Speaker 1: and you could ease. There's so many potential big time
Speaker 1: challengers for Hangman. Page whether it's your mocks Ley's or
Speaker 1: your Daniel Sins or the return of Omega or I
Speaker 1: mean you can rattle up people for like ten minutes
Speaker 1: about who could face Hangman, page that Hangman could beat
Speaker 1: before finally losing that title. So no, I would not
Speaker 1: beat him now or any time in the near future.
Speaker 1: If one loss, you know, messes you that bad or
Speaker 1: messes up the situation or messes up a person, then
Speaker 1: you're doing it wrong or something's wrong. You know, he
Speaker 1: can absolutely lose now. I mean that's one of the
Speaker 1: reasons you have the ratings. To me, is you have
Speaker 1: that top five or top ten, whatever it is, and
Speaker 1: as long, yeah, m you have loses. But he beats
Speaker 1: the guy that's three, and he you know, gets himself
Speaker 1: back into two position. And I mean there's so many
Speaker 1: ways you can play this where I mean, these are
Speaker 1: stars that are supposed to be kind of competing and
Speaker 1: fighting on the highest levels. So again it's how you
Speaker 1: lose in in time and place and circumstance. So absolutely
Speaker 1: he can lose the CM punk give me fine and
Speaker 1: be fine. Well, he can lose the wordlow and be fine.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't suggest it, but like you know, because of
Speaker 1: the trajectory that you'd want to see him punked or
Speaker 1: MGF to be on, and you want to be careful
Speaker 1: with his losses. But my god, he can He can
Speaker 1: lose to Danielson, punk a couple of people in a
Speaker 1: row and still be fine, for Heaven's sakes, I mean,
Speaker 1: and again the personality that's losing too, you know. It's
Speaker 1: again it's how you respond to your losses and how
Speaker 1: you sell those back to the people again, you know,
Speaker 1: and tell them what they saw didn't really happen. And
Speaker 1: I think MGF could do a fine job in doing that.
Speaker 1: You know. It's funny, is is, regardless of whatever criticisms
Speaker 1: why I might have for Dynamite this past Wednesday or
Speaker 1: or last week Wednesday, the fact of the matter is
Speaker 1: this is a fantastically well booked company. And the easiest
Speaker 1: way to see how well booked this company is is
Speaker 1: to make a quick comparison between the situation with Roman
Speaker 1: Reigns and the situation with Hangman Page. Roman Reigns was
Speaker 1: supposed to be feuding with Drew McIntyre on SmackDown. Drew
Speaker 1: McIntyre went down with a nick injury, and they literally
Speaker 1: had nobody nobody on the SmackDown brand that could step
Speaker 1: in for Drew McIntyre. They had to take seth rawlins
Speaker 1: off of Raw to replace one guy who went down
Speaker 1: on SmackDown. Let's think about Hangman Page. I think I
Speaker 1: don't know this, but I think it's Hangman Page versus
Speaker 1: Adam Cole at the March pay per view, they certainly
Speaker 1: were teasing that a couple of weeks ago. Let's say
Speaker 1: that Adam Cole got injured in that match with Britt
Speaker 1: Baker on Wednesday. Is anybody listening to this right now
Speaker 1: concerned about who could possibly face Hangman Page if Adam
Speaker 1: Cole is injured? Is there anybody who couldn't rattle off
Speaker 1: a dozen viable contenders for Hangman Page. So that is
Speaker 1: the sign of a well booked company. You have multiple
Speaker 1: main inventors that, with a couple of weeks of of
Speaker 1: booking or even less, could easily step into that number
Speaker 1: one contender spot w W E. Who did they have
Speaker 1: on SmackDown that could step into face Roman Reigns after
Speaker 1: Drew Man. Nobody they had nobody to step in there
Speaker 1: that anybody would have taken seriously in that role, which,
Speaker 1: by the way, you know, I was talking about Hangman
Speaker 1: and I'm still having to hear about it. Oh, Brian,
Speaker 1: I can't believe you thought that Hangman should be laid
Speaker 1: out by Archer two weeks in a row. They're trying
Speaker 1: to make Hangman strong. The irony of all of this
Speaker 1: is people are mad at me, but apparently I'm the
Speaker 1: only one that has any faith in a Hangman is champion.
Speaker 1: If you're a champion. If Hangman Page can't be laid
Speaker 1: out by Archer two weeks in a row, then he
Speaker 1: ain't much of a champion. I actually think that a
Speaker 1: Hangman could easily be laid out two weeks in a
Speaker 1: row by Lance Archer. Go and beat Lance Archer decisively
Speaker 1: on TV, and it ain't hurting Hangman Page at all.
Speaker 1: If you don't think that that guy can get laid
Speaker 1: out by Lance Archer two weeks in a row, than
Speaker 1: either A you got the wrong champion or b you
Speaker 1: got the wrong challenger, which I think, by the way,
Speaker 1: neither of those situations. But I'm the bad guy a
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