WEBVTT - Bound 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:04.120 Of the law and Order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.360 --> 0:00:06.920 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:07.000 --> 0:00:09.879 vicious felonies. These episodes are based on These are our 0:00:09.920 --> 0:00:30.480 stories done done? Who do Who? That's messed up? An 0:00:30.560 --> 0:00:34.600 SVU podcast. I'm Liza Trigger and I'm Kara Klank. 0:00:34.880 --> 0:00:38.639 Every week it's SVU recaps true crime, deep dives and 0:00:39.240 --> 0:00:44.720 chats with guests and today guests guests. I'm like, I 0:00:44.720 --> 0:00:48.200 didn't even know which which we're doing, but we've got 0:00:48.320 --> 0:00:48.680 a lot. 0:00:49.280 --> 0:00:52.000 Do we wish? Do we wish? We got this woman Shore? 0:00:52.440 --> 0:00:58.040 Did we get or no? Is this pro bound? Yeah? 0:00:58.160 --> 0:00:59.000 Yeah yeah. 0:00:59.200 --> 0:01:02.800 Despite us be brief co workers, she did not heed 0:01:02.800 --> 0:01:07.240 the call of guesting on the podcast. But we have 0:01:07.440 --> 0:01:10.080 a lot of big sketchups. So do you want to start? 0:01:10.120 --> 0:01:11.960 I have a couple of things. 0:01:11.600 --> 0:01:13.959 Well we'll start. This is an SVU related thing, so 0:01:14.000 --> 0:01:15.959 we'll just start with this. So you know, I play 0:01:16.000 --> 0:01:18.320 my movie games cinema Trix right now. 0:01:18.880 --> 0:01:20.280 This will be an older one. 0:01:20.319 --> 0:01:23.399 You can go to the archive, but May Eleventh's Telematrix. 0:01:24.200 --> 0:01:27.920 It's Judith Light or Maren Ireland, who's Coreesy's sister and 0:01:27.959 --> 0:01:31.520 you have Judith Light. Then the next category is Dan Stevens, 0:01:31.520 --> 0:01:32.600 so I don't know who that is. But then it's 0:01:32.640 --> 0:01:35.919 as if Mondvi, who is a guest and an SVU person, 0:01:36.480 --> 0:01:40.720 then it's cch Pounder or Stephen Root. Oh my god 0:01:41.040 --> 0:01:45.320 for SVU people in the telematrix, and they're they're all 0:01:45.360 --> 0:01:48.840 a little hard. I gave the SVU to cch Pounder 0:01:48.880 --> 0:01:51.960 and I did good. But it's tough out there, but 0:01:52.000 --> 0:01:53.760 I thought it was exciting. It was exciting to have 0:01:53.800 --> 0:01:54.760 all of them out in there. 0:01:54.920 --> 0:01:58.000 Maren Ireland is like, I don't know. 0:01:58.440 --> 0:02:00.840 So she must be in something huge we're not thinking of, 0:02:00.880 --> 0:02:03.360 because why is she in this thing? I have like 0:02:03.480 --> 0:02:04.880 seen her and other stuff. 0:02:05.080 --> 0:02:07.720 Of course she was. She's like a younger Terry Polo, 0:02:07.800 --> 0:02:09.040 who I think she looks like. 0:02:10.760 --> 0:02:14.800 But yeah, so anyways, so that's neither here nor there. 0:02:14.840 --> 0:02:16.840 But I just thought I would let the people know 0:02:16.880 --> 0:02:19.240 if they were interested in testing that. 0:02:19.600 --> 0:02:22.280 I guess she was in Homeland, which I watched all 0:02:22.320 --> 0:02:23.720 of that's not see it. 0:02:23.800 --> 0:02:26.720 Did you just look that up? Yeah? Well, I'm playing 0:02:26.760 --> 0:02:27.880 the game. You can't look at up. 0:02:27.919 --> 0:02:31.600 How you did it already? I'm sorry, christ I'm sorry. 0:02:31.800 --> 0:02:33.600 I didn't mean that you can't. Well, don't use it now. 0:02:34.000 --> 0:02:36.320 I don't know. I I thought you did it. I 0:02:36.360 --> 0:02:38.840 thought you already did it. Oh no, but now okay, 0:02:38.880 --> 0:02:41.200 So that's my one thing, now, you know. Okay. 0:02:41.400 --> 0:02:45.800 So, not not specifically as VU related, but related to 0:02:45.840 --> 0:02:48.600 the fact that we always say on this fucking podcast 0:02:48.919 --> 0:02:53.280 that if you are rich enough and you get convicted 0:02:53.320 --> 0:02:55.680 of a crime, you will appeal and appeal until you. 0:02:55.600 --> 0:02:57.800 Fucking get out and murder. 0:02:57.880 --> 0:03:02.120 Murdoch guy, the guy from Murdoch Murders who fully murdered 0:03:02.160 --> 0:03:05.600 his fucking wife and also tried to cover up his 0:03:05.680 --> 0:03:10.200 son's crimes. And they're like a dynasty of generationally wealthy 0:03:10.760 --> 0:03:14.040 idiots in South Carolina. That there's a whole podcast called 0:03:14.040 --> 0:03:17.880 The Murdoch Murders and a whole fucking scripted show about 0:03:17.880 --> 0:03:20.160 them with who Patricia Arquette plays the mom. 0:03:20.360 --> 0:03:21.720 So maybe it is SPU related. 0:03:22.440 --> 0:03:26.560 Just got appealed, just his conviction was overturned, he won 0:03:26.639 --> 0:03:30.560 his appeal, and he's getting a new trial. And it's 0:03:30.639 --> 0:03:34.960 related to perjury charges for letting the press view sealed exhibits. 0:03:35.040 --> 0:03:36.680 That's what I was saying. I was like explaining this 0:03:36.760 --> 0:03:40.240 to my friends before this, I was like, yeah, we 0:03:40.280 --> 0:03:42.839 always see this on the podcast, that these motherfuckers like, yeah, sure, 0:03:42.840 --> 0:03:45.080 Bill Cosby went to jail. He eventually got out, like 0:03:45.360 --> 0:03:47.520 all these people get out because they just have so 0:03:47.640 --> 0:03:50.880 much money and they'll just appeal. And they were like, oh, 0:03:50.960 --> 0:03:52.560 like they'll they'll have a new defense. 0:03:52.600 --> 0:03:53.720 I go, no, No, they'll. 0:03:53.520 --> 0:03:56.880 Just say, oh, this piece of evidence was not logged 0:03:56.920 --> 0:03:59.240 the right way. Like they'll just find loopholes and like 0:03:59.320 --> 0:04:01.000 ways to appear and get out of it. 0:04:01.160 --> 0:04:04.360 Like this guy definitely fucking did it. 0:04:04.720 --> 0:04:07.920 And this is why I love Vigilante Justice, and maybe 0:04:08.000 --> 0:04:08.880 we'll see what happens. 0:04:09.280 --> 0:04:12.240 I saw that this morning. I saw that this morning. 0:04:12.640 --> 0:04:15.400 Oh god, because like when he got convicted, I was like, great, 0:04:15.920 --> 0:04:18.000 like a rich and powerful family even in this small 0:04:18.000 --> 0:04:20.919 little pocket of South Carolina is going to get theirs. 0:04:21.160 --> 0:04:25.000 And then no, nope, no, but I hopefully on a 0:04:25.040 --> 0:04:28.679 second trial get convicted again. I think it's pretty damning. 0:04:29.960 --> 0:04:32.680 But anyway, I'm just saying I'm sick and tired of 0:04:32.720 --> 0:04:33.599 being sick and tired. 0:04:34.120 --> 0:04:39.520 When does actually stayed out of that case. I don't 0:04:39.560 --> 0:04:41.960 know much about it. I didn't watch anything read about it. 0:04:42.040 --> 0:04:44.039 I just I was listening to it's kind of like 0:04:44.120 --> 0:04:45.919 southern charm, Like I'm not interested. 0:04:46.120 --> 0:04:47.240 Yeah it was. 0:04:47.279 --> 0:04:50.480 I listened to the podcast because the girl that like 0:04:50.560 --> 0:04:53.080 did it, Mandy Mattley or something is her name. 0:04:53.360 --> 0:04:54.600 She's like real scrappy. 0:04:54.680 --> 0:04:56.800 She like wrote for like local paper down there and 0:04:56.880 --> 0:04:58.760 kind of did this all on her own and like 0:04:59.160 --> 0:05:01.720 they were trying to and I was like sort of 0:05:01.760 --> 0:05:04.840 just like supporting her journalism. But I listened to the 0:05:04.880 --> 0:05:07.440 whole podcast and was like, oh, this family is gross. 0:05:07.560 --> 0:05:11.599 But this comes out on May nineteenth, Los Angeles. We've 0:05:11.600 --> 0:05:15.920 got to vote. Please, if you're even considering a vote 0:05:15.920 --> 0:05:19.000 for Spencer Pratt, please don't listen to this podcast anymore. 0:05:19.520 --> 0:05:22.080 I cannot have Spencer Pratt be the mayor of my city. 0:05:22.200 --> 0:05:25.080 Like, you know, my former hair dresser in La is 0:05:25.760 --> 0:05:26.839 pro Spencer Pratt. 0:05:27.440 --> 0:05:31.520 That's not surprising to me, knowing. Yeah, yeah, like a 0:05:31.560 --> 0:05:35.480 little netty, a little nutty. There's people we know that 0:05:35.520 --> 0:05:39.040 we've hung out with that are going for him. 0:05:39.360 --> 0:05:40.400 He's not an option. 0:05:40.640 --> 0:05:43.560 He's a climate change denier who doesn't understand why his 0:05:43.600 --> 0:05:44.240 house burned down. 0:05:44.360 --> 0:05:47.360 Like come on, like, let's it's the fires that's what 0:05:47.400 --> 0:05:48.320 connects these people. 0:05:48.360 --> 0:05:52.560 It's yes, and like he has all these like weird Listen, 0:05:53.040 --> 0:05:55.520 I'm pro dogs. I don't want dogs being injured. I 0:05:55.560 --> 0:05:57.600 don't want dogs being harmed on the street. But like, 0:05:57.960 --> 0:06:00.800 we cannot like vote for someone solely based on like 0:06:00.839 --> 0:06:04.159 a dog platform, Like we need to vote for things 0:06:04.160 --> 0:06:06.279 that are going to affect the humans of our city 0:06:06.279 --> 0:06:11.640 and this guy is not it. So and then I'll 0:06:11.640 --> 0:06:13.400 try to post some of you have been texting me 0:06:13.440 --> 0:06:17.200 and messaging me for my Progressive voter Guide. I'm waiting 0:06:17.200 --> 0:06:18.760 for them to come out so i can take a look. 0:06:18.800 --> 0:06:20.800 But also for governor, we need to wait till last 0:06:20.800 --> 0:06:23.400 minute and just vote for who's the highest. Sorry, that's 0:06:23.480 --> 0:06:26.520 just how it is with these stupid jungle primaries. 0:06:26.760 --> 0:06:28.520 That's my that's Kara's political corner. 0:06:28.640 --> 0:06:32.039 Lisa, let's talk about Mortal Kombat. 0:06:35.160 --> 0:06:38.200 Listen. I saw Mortal Kombat too. I loved it. 0:06:38.279 --> 0:06:40.520 Then I saw Mortal Kombat from twenty twenty one, and 0:06:40.560 --> 0:06:43.600 then I watched the nineteen ninety five Mortal Kombat and 0:06:44.600 --> 0:06:46.960 loved it all. Loved the music. Already put a request 0:06:46.960 --> 0:06:49.120 in to ride to it at Soul Cycle. I'm like, 0:06:49.160 --> 0:06:51.400 please play Mortal Kombat. When I'm saying Mortal Kombat too, 0:06:51.600 --> 0:06:53.880 just come out. Yeah, And I was And I was 0:06:53.920 --> 0:06:57.800 there Thursday at like ten thirty pm in Vegas at 0:06:57.800 --> 0:07:00.520 a strip mall. Oh, I have no idea my one 0:07:00.600 --> 0:07:02.760 nighter I wasn't. I just didn't want to see Devil 0:07:02.920 --> 0:07:04.880 was proud of too in Las Vegas. Like I was like, 0:07:04.920 --> 0:07:07.320 I want to watch that in New York and I 0:07:07.440 --> 0:07:10.320 have like walk there. And so after my show, I 0:07:10.400 --> 0:07:13.560 was just like, because it's the I remember seeing something 0:07:13.560 --> 0:07:16.000 and it is about Katana a lot, and I was like, 0:07:16.200 --> 0:07:16.640 I'll just go. 0:07:16.720 --> 0:07:17.960 To Mortal Kombat relaxed. 0:07:18.000 --> 0:07:21.680 Took a couple of white Claws in there, and and 0:07:21.720 --> 0:07:24.600 I loved it. And obviously I have continued my Mortal 0:07:24.640 --> 0:07:28.040 Kombat journey. Damn Okay, I really enjoyed it. I mean 0:07:28.040 --> 0:07:29.840 it makes no sense, but I really want to go 0:07:29.920 --> 0:07:33.080 realm hopping and like no one really dies, but sometimes 0:07:33.080 --> 0:07:35.400 there's there they don't have arms anymore. I'm just like. 0:07:37.640 --> 0:07:41.440 Some light like get over here. I don't. 0:07:41.520 --> 0:07:43.440 Yeah, I loved it, but I love get over Here. 0:07:43.640 --> 0:07:45.920 I also love like the Slice of Lights. So like 0:07:46.160 --> 0:07:50.240 a couple was late and I heard them be like, fuck, 0:07:50.320 --> 0:07:53.160 we missed the first kill. And I'm like that's so funny, 0:07:53.240 --> 0:07:55.920 Like that's just like not something I would even think about. 0:07:56.120 --> 0:07:57.760 But I would never be I would never be late 0:07:57.760 --> 0:07:59.400 to a movie. I just would I would rather not 0:07:59.480 --> 0:08:03.040 go so but it's just it was funny to like 0:08:03.600 --> 0:08:05.840 be in a space with people because I don't see 0:08:05.840 --> 0:08:08.800 action movies every yeah, so it was just kind of 0:08:08.800 --> 0:08:11.040 fun like walk my fa is. 0:08:11.080 --> 0:08:13.000 Like as actionny as it gets for me, you know, 0:08:13.200 --> 0:08:15.440 like I'm not going to like hardcore action movies. 0:08:15.480 --> 0:08:18.520 Really yeah, I'm not seeing Transformers. So but did you 0:08:18.600 --> 0:08:21.880 see Devil Wars Protato not yet? I've been busy. Go 0:08:21.880 --> 0:08:23.520 Go go La was insane. 0:08:23.600 --> 0:08:27.040 I truly I lived like a New Yorker, Like I 0:08:27.080 --> 0:08:29.360 would have a nine am and then I wouldn't get 0:08:29.400 --> 0:08:31.840 back to my room until like one in the morning. 0:08:32.080 --> 0:08:32.800 Two in the morning. 0:08:33.040 --> 0:08:37.880 Yeah, I like jam packed it and it was fun. 0:08:37.920 --> 0:08:40.520 And I will say at my hotel, I saw John Taturo. 0:08:41.640 --> 0:08:44.640 I saw it Tony Shaloub and he did look at 0:08:44.640 --> 0:08:47.440 my tits like I never I am not a. 0:08:47.480 --> 0:08:49.480 Tosh and all in that way, monk, my eyes are 0:08:49.559 --> 0:08:51.719 up here. I can't. Yes, No, it was amazing and 0:08:51.760 --> 0:08:55.040 it was from Afar and then and I did leave 0:08:55.080 --> 0:08:57.120 my bathing suit there in La I'm like so upset. 0:08:57.200 --> 0:09:00.920 But anyways, and then he's spun around own and did 0:09:00.920 --> 0:09:03.240 it again, and I feel like we made eye contacts, 0:09:03.240 --> 0:09:04.160 like it was kind of exciting. 0:09:04.160 --> 0:09:07.960 But I also saw Billy Bob Thornton so start a 0:09:08.080 --> 0:09:12.439 piper paraboo piper parabou from from Coyote ugly. 0:09:12.640 --> 0:09:15.520 Yes, yes, And. 0:09:16.240 --> 0:09:18.320 So that was so that was all pretty like a 0:09:18.360 --> 0:09:23.240 thrilling experience for so many sightings. I went to my 0:09:23.360 --> 0:09:28.080 soul cycles, I had some food, I taped some things, 0:09:28.160 --> 0:09:30.120 and you know, went to dry bar. 0:09:32.720 --> 0:09:33.000 Nice. 0:09:33.080 --> 0:09:35.240 Wait, Okay, first of all, did I talk about how 0:09:35.240 --> 0:09:37.160 I saw Deverawarres product already on this podcast? 0:09:37.520 --> 0:09:40.240 You did? I saw it opening night. 0:09:40.320 --> 0:09:42.720 I saw it like the Thursday, like it opened on Friday, 0:09:42.720 --> 0:09:44.800 and I saw it on a Thursday. I don't know 0:09:44.800 --> 0:09:47.360 if you want my review I do? I mean, yeah, 0:09:47.400 --> 0:09:48.360 of course, yeah, yeah, but. 0:09:48.320 --> 0:09:50.920 I loved it. Yeah, I loved it. Yeah. 0:09:50.960 --> 0:09:52.800 I think I just don't want to hype it up 0:09:52.840 --> 0:09:54.040 too much for anybody. 0:09:54.240 --> 0:09:56.120 No, I know, I'm gonna love it. And people said 0:09:56.160 --> 0:10:00.640 it's a great sequel. People are really like, I can't wait. 0:10:00.679 --> 0:10:02.240 And then Kate and then I have a friend in it, 0:10:02.280 --> 0:10:03.280 so I'm gonna fucking like it. 0:10:03.440 --> 0:10:06.880 Yeah, they give you everything I wanted more Caleb, I'll 0:10:06.920 --> 0:10:10.520 say that, but they give you everything that you want. 0:10:10.640 --> 0:10:10.920 Really. 0:10:11.280 --> 0:10:15.160 Actually, someone came up to me at the West Hollywood 0:10:15.200 --> 0:10:20.000 Soul Cycle and when Caleb was underutilized. 0:10:20.480 --> 0:10:23.040 Honestly, kind of everybody that we know that is like 0:10:23.200 --> 0:10:26.000 such a genius comedy person that's getting cast in like 0:10:26.080 --> 0:10:29.440 bigger things. I'm like, they barely use John Early in 0:10:29.480 --> 0:10:32.280 the Comeback, and and Abby like they like they I 0:10:32.320 --> 0:10:34.160 don't know, they like they didn't give them really anything 0:10:34.160 --> 0:10:36.600 funny to do. So it's like, I don't know what 0:10:36.640 --> 0:10:39.920 these people are doing. Give them more funny things to do. 0:10:41.080 --> 0:10:44.480 But I just saw Meg Stalter is gonna be Mary 0:10:44.520 --> 0:10:46.800 and Oh Mary. That's gonna be wild. 0:10:46.679 --> 0:10:49.280 That I gotta. I woke up to a DM about that. 0:10:49.280 --> 0:10:50.559 That'll be really exciting. 0:10:50.800 --> 0:10:51.520 Yeah. Perfect. 0:10:51.559 --> 0:10:53.400 I'm like, I cannot go three summers in a row, 0:10:53.440 --> 0:10:55.719 like I cannot go see O Mary three summers in 0:10:55.720 --> 0:10:56.000 a row. 0:10:56.000 --> 0:10:58.120 I know, because I have to see other New York theater. 0:10:58.480 --> 0:11:01.520 I look at the Lost Boys twelve nominations. I guess 0:11:01.520 --> 0:11:02.280 I have taste. 0:11:02.600 --> 0:11:03.000 I know it. 0:11:04.280 --> 0:11:08.400 Yes, Wait, when did the Tony nominations come out like 0:11:08.520 --> 0:11:12.200 this week, last week, last week. Okay, yeah, fresh fresh, 0:11:12.240 --> 0:11:16.160 fresh fresh. All right, h read the complete list, all right, 0:11:16.200 --> 0:11:17.560 I need to see what I'm going to see when 0:11:17.600 --> 0:11:19.720 I go to New York. That was say that Best 0:11:19.760 --> 0:11:22.240 Musical was that Two Strangers got nominated? That thing you 0:11:22.280 --> 0:11:24.560 watch to carry a cake across New York. I don't 0:11:24.559 --> 0:11:27.640 think that's gonna win well, but it got nominated. And 0:11:28.080 --> 0:11:31.360 congratulations to our girl, Aya Cash, former guest of the Pod, 0:11:31.400 --> 0:11:33.959 who was nominated for a Best Actress Tony. 0:11:34.120 --> 0:11:38.160 Wow. Cool Yeah for Giant. Yeah what a thrill. 0:11:41.720 --> 0:11:44.559 Now I don't have a Tony nomination, but I am 0:11:44.640 --> 0:11:48.760 in the Bravo discourse and one of the evidence I 0:11:48.840 --> 0:11:54.760 cannot believe my like, I it's like a thrill because Jenfessler, 0:11:55.040 --> 0:11:59.160 I saw it all happen kind of. But I woke 0:11:59.240 --> 0:12:01.960 up to a group chat sending me that like it's 0:12:02.000 --> 0:12:04.640 it was circulating and then so a couple of people 0:12:04.679 --> 0:12:06.560 DM me like, oh you're in the drama or like 0:12:06.600 --> 0:12:08.520 watch out girl. I'm like, this is the greatest thing. 0:12:08.600 --> 0:12:09.679 There's nothing I did wrong. 0:12:10.440 --> 0:12:12.640 So just to give a little background for anybody that 0:12:12.720 --> 0:12:16.199 might not know what we're talking about the whole Sierra 0:12:16.720 --> 0:12:20.640 summer house thing with Amanda and West, and that was 0:12:20.679 --> 0:12:23.720 the guy that Lisa was on watch What Happens Live 0:12:23.760 --> 0:12:27.520 with like a while ago. And then Jen Fessler, who 0:12:27.559 --> 0:12:31.720 is a real housewife of New Jersey, posted the photo 0:12:31.800 --> 0:12:34.840 of the three of them, Lisa, West and Jen on 0:12:34.920 --> 0:12:39.920 March thirteenth, and that night, yeah, was there already talk 0:12:40.320 --> 0:12:41.520 of them hooking up? 0:12:41.520 --> 0:12:45.079 That? No, of course no, but that's a new piece 0:12:45.080 --> 0:12:45.680 of goossip. 0:12:46.000 --> 0:12:48.640 Okay, So we get to watch What Happens Live and 0:12:48.679 --> 0:12:51.800 I turned to my friends and I go, is that 0:12:51.880 --> 0:12:54.800 Gen Fessler over there? And it was so we couldn't 0:12:54.800 --> 0:12:56.560 believe it. So we're like talking to Gen Fessler. So 0:12:56.600 --> 0:13:00.800 then West comes and Jen was West plus one. Now, 0:13:00.920 --> 0:13:03.600 looking back, if I had fucked Wes and I was 0:13:03.640 --> 0:13:07.040 treated the way I was being treated, I'd be fucking pissed. 0:13:07.480 --> 0:13:09.960 And then my friends go, she was pissed. Don't you 0:13:10.000 --> 0:13:12.880 remember her at the bar being pissed? And I go, no, 0:13:13.320 --> 0:13:16.439 I was blackout, like I don't remember, but I went 0:13:16.440 --> 0:13:18.839 out with but like, in my head, if I had 0:13:18.840 --> 0:13:22.680 fucked this dude, and then he brought me as a 0:13:22.760 --> 0:13:24.839 date to this thing, and then he acted the way 0:13:24.880 --> 0:13:26.840 he was acting, I would definitely be why what was 0:13:26.840 --> 0:13:27.280 he doing? 0:13:27.520 --> 0:13:28.880 Just not paying attention to her at all? 0:13:29.280 --> 0:13:31.040 He was hanging out with us, and then there was 0:13:31.040 --> 0:13:33.280 like a bunch of like Bravo Instagram people. But like 0:13:33.720 --> 0:13:36.800 in my head I did he just said, oh, we 0:13:36.920 --> 0:13:39.520 bonded at Bravocon, and so I thought it would be 0:13:39.600 --> 0:13:42.080 fun to bring her, like, oh, I'm making new friends. 0:13:42.080 --> 0:13:44.800 I would have thought that too, Like she's here because 0:13:44.880 --> 0:13:47.840 it's always good publicity to like get photographed at watch 0:13:47.920 --> 0:13:49.640 what happens again and blah blah blah. 0:13:49.679 --> 0:13:52.600 You know, yeah, yeah, like he they just like what 0:13:52.679 --> 0:13:55.920 I was told by them was oh, we just vibed 0:13:56.000 --> 0:14:00.560 at Bravocon. But I'm being reminded that she was mad 0:14:00.600 --> 0:14:03.760 at the bar and then but and I would be too, 0:14:03.920 --> 0:14:06.000 But the vibes were fine. But it was strange that 0:14:06.000 --> 0:14:07.839 that was the day. But I loved taking photos of them. 0:14:07.840 --> 0:14:11.880 I loved being there. West is very charming DMD ahead 0:14:11.920 --> 0:14:14.360 of time, Like I understand how people are wrapped up 0:14:14.400 --> 0:14:17.280 in it. But I saw a post online that was 0:14:17.320 --> 0:14:19.680 like he is dangerous because he's someone that loves attention 0:14:19.760 --> 0:14:24.960 more than he loves love, and so like, you know, I. 0:14:25.160 --> 0:14:27.440 Don't really I don't really know. 0:14:27.760 --> 0:14:30.560 But then also another clip I just saw, and it's 0:14:30.680 --> 0:14:33.720 Jackie what's the fuck and Goldenschlager. 0:14:33.800 --> 0:14:34.640 What are their names? 0:14:35.280 --> 0:14:38.960 Jackie go it is something like that Jackie Goldschmidt. 0:14:38.960 --> 0:14:42.960 Maybe, oh it's not gold Schmidt, it's Juwi or it's Goldschneider, Goldschneider, 0:14:43.360 --> 0:14:47.720 not that Julie and weird is but a Goldschneider. So 0:14:48.480 --> 0:14:53.040 Goldschneider and Jen Fessler are on watch what happened? This 0:14:53.080 --> 0:14:55.440 is an old timey one and Andy goes, who's your 0:14:55.480 --> 0:14:57.240 whole pass with your husband? You know, she's been with 0:14:57.280 --> 0:14:59.480 her husband for twenty seven years, and like people are 0:14:59.480 --> 0:15:01.720 allowed to fuck outside their marriage if they have, you know, whatever. 0:15:01.760 --> 0:15:05.720 But he asked about the hall pass, and Jackie goes, well, 0:15:05.800 --> 0:15:09.960 that's obvious, and Jen goes really, and then Andy says 0:15:10.120 --> 0:15:14.760 say it at the same time, and she says, Evan Goldschneider. No, 0:15:14.960 --> 0:15:19.840 you're talking it's not Goldschneider. Isn't that Danielle from. 0:15:20.120 --> 0:15:21.280 Are you talking about that? Jackie? 0:15:21.360 --> 0:15:25.680 The other housewife of New Jersey? Yeah, it's gold that's 0:15:25.720 --> 0:15:29.440 Jackie Goldschneider. I'm looking at her. Picture right now. 0:15:29.600 --> 0:15:32.040 I truly can't believe that I never knew that that 0:15:32.160 --> 0:15:34.280 was her last name. I'm sitting here like, absolutely not. 0:15:34.560 --> 0:15:36.800 You thought I was talking about Danielle from Bitch Seshtal. 0:15:37.160 --> 0:15:39.040 I knew you were talking about Jackie. But then I go, 0:15:39.240 --> 0:15:41.000 there's no way that's her last name. Oh yeah, I 0:15:41.200 --> 0:15:43.880 just like, I've never seen her as that. To me, 0:15:43.920 --> 0:15:47.520 it's always more confusing and I always say Goldschlager. But anyway, 0:15:48.600 --> 0:15:54.240 but Jackie says, oh duh and says West's name, So 0:15:54.400 --> 0:15:56.280 that to me is so damning. 0:15:56.440 --> 0:15:59.040 And like it just is all me and why I 0:15:59.040 --> 0:16:01.480 would see her a lie about it. She obviously has 0:16:01.520 --> 0:16:04.360 evidence or she wouldn't be having this much fun online 0:16:04.840 --> 0:16:08.160 and being so obvious about it. But Jen was pissed 0:16:08.160 --> 0:16:10.240 that night, hmmm. 0:16:11.040 --> 0:16:13.080 And you don't get like just like pissed when you 0:16:13.120 --> 0:16:16.080 go with someone that you're like platonic with, like a friend, 0:16:16.400 --> 0:16:20.120 and they're not totally giving you all their attention, right yeah, 0:16:20.440 --> 0:16:22.360 because they're working like they're working. 0:16:22.800 --> 0:16:24.600 Yeah, but if it's like a date, you can be 0:16:24.640 --> 0:16:25.080 a little bit. 0:16:25.560 --> 0:16:27.440 I'm just saying, if I was fucked by that man 0:16:27.480 --> 0:16:31.400 and I was being treated not like I would be pissed. Yeah, 0:16:32.200 --> 0:16:35.520 so that's that. That's how I feel. But I love 0:16:35.600 --> 0:16:38.040 being in the photos. I love being in the Bravo 0:16:38.120 --> 0:16:41.320 lore I love I love that I was there in 0:16:41.360 --> 0:16:43.760 the room where it happened. I mean, it's just like 0:16:44.920 --> 0:16:48.720 I was excited that I was in an episode of 0:16:48.800 --> 0:16:51.720 vander Pump Rules for one second in the background. Who 0:16:51.800 --> 0:16:55.160 knew I would be an evidence of a giant, weird 0:16:55.320 --> 0:16:58.480 fucking situation. And he was seen at an airport with 0:16:58.520 --> 0:17:02.240 another girl, like separate girl this week, like he is 0:17:02.320 --> 0:17:05.600 a fuck boy. We were charmed because he doesn't want 0:17:05.680 --> 0:17:08.440 like he likes trans people, so we were like, oh, 0:17:08.480 --> 0:17:10.040 he's a good guy, but. 0:17:10.680 --> 0:17:17.040 You know what I mean, like he just uh yeah yeah. 0:17:17.960 --> 0:17:20.360 And then everyone that met him at my friend's birthday 0:17:20.359 --> 0:17:22.600 party was like he was awesome and charming, Like he 0:17:22.760 --> 0:17:28.600 is a charming guy and he's hot. Yeah, but obviously, 0:17:28.680 --> 0:17:31.160 I mean, I can't wait for the reunion. I can't 0:17:31.160 --> 0:17:33.000 and I haven't even watched this season, but yeah, I 0:17:33.000 --> 0:17:34.080 can't wait for the reunion. 0:17:35.760 --> 0:17:36.880 I would watch the reunion. 0:17:37.480 --> 0:17:39.440 I haven't watched I don't watch Summer House, but I 0:17:39.480 --> 0:17:44.080 would watch this like it's Ariano Maddox was on Watch 0:17:44.160 --> 0:17:46.119 What Happens and it's like people are comparing you and 0:17:46.160 --> 0:17:47.440 see her and this and that, and she's like, why 0:17:47.480 --> 0:17:48.440 does it have to be the same. 0:17:48.520 --> 0:17:51.240 She's like there's similarities and differences and like we can 0:17:51.320 --> 0:17:52.200 still make money. 0:17:52.240 --> 0:17:52.720 Like what are you? 0:17:53.000 --> 0:17:56.600 I don't know, She's just I love her. I love her, Yeah, 0:17:56.640 --> 0:17:59.399 I love her. Oh my god, what a time? What 0:17:59.440 --> 0:18:02.240 a time to be a You're in the discourse. I'm 0:18:02.359 --> 0:18:05.600 in the Bravo discourse. It's like heaven. I wish I 0:18:05.640 --> 0:18:08.800 had a more Hawkeye experience. But my friend was sitting 0:18:08.800 --> 0:18:10.440 next to her in the audience, So she's the one 0:18:10.440 --> 0:18:12.800 that's telling me, like the vibe, you know, like she 0:18:12.960 --> 0:18:16.600 saw it all. Yeah, I was being you know, I 0:18:16.680 --> 0:18:19.040 was focused. I was focused on, you know, trying to 0:18:19.080 --> 0:18:21.320 make it in the Watch what Happens Live universe, so 0:18:22.400 --> 0:18:25.640 I couldn't focus any attention on Jen Fessler. 0:18:26.200 --> 0:18:29.080 Oh and there was Mother's Day. What was your Mother's Day? Vibes? 0:18:29.480 --> 0:18:31.199 Mother's Day was great for me. 0:18:31.400 --> 0:18:33.520 I left the day before and I drove up to 0:18:33.640 --> 0:18:37.360 Carmel with a friend and I headlined a show at 0:18:37.400 --> 0:18:42.600 a winery, a Mother's Day show, and it was really 0:18:42.880 --> 0:18:45.199 like they put us up at this like it's like 0:18:45.359 --> 0:18:49.200 it takes place at this gorgeous vineyard obviously in Carmel, 0:18:49.440 --> 0:18:51.879 where I was worried because Clint Eastwood used to be 0:18:51.920 --> 0:18:53.480 the mayor, and I was worried that they were all 0:18:53.480 --> 0:18:56.840 going to be like rich Republicans, and maybe secretly some 0:18:56.920 --> 0:18:59.040 of them are, but they seemed like like when I 0:18:59.119 --> 0:19:01.359 was talking to them, they were like, oh no, we're not, 0:19:01.960 --> 0:19:02.840 like that's not who we are. 0:19:02.840 --> 0:19:04.560 And I was like, great, amazing. It was a and 0:19:04.600 --> 0:19:04.960 it was a. 0:19:04.880 --> 0:19:08.879 Big crowd, and they put us up at like the 0:19:08.920 --> 0:19:12.159 big carriage, how like the big house on the property 0:19:12.280 --> 0:19:13.960 where they put up like bridal parties. 0:19:14.320 --> 0:19:15.680 And the guy goes, yeah, this place. 0:19:15.520 --> 0:19:17.680 Is like ten thousand dollars a night, and I was like, well, 0:19:17.680 --> 0:19:19.159 I'll never stay somewhere. 0:19:19.160 --> 0:19:19.760 This's nice. 0:19:19.800 --> 0:19:22.200 And it was so beautiful, like we walked out onto 0:19:22.200 --> 0:19:25.040 the balcony like mountains and vineyards in front of you. 0:19:25.119 --> 0:19:28.200 It was gorgeous. And you love wines that I love wine. 0:19:28.359 --> 0:19:30.640 So I had a blast. I had a blast. Yeah. 0:19:30.840 --> 0:19:33.280 Great, I wonder if I'll ever go to Napa. Like 0:19:33.840 --> 0:19:35.080 it's just like I don't like. 0:19:35.080 --> 0:19:38.120 Wine, and I wonder i'll go, I know, and it's 0:19:38.160 --> 0:19:39.959 so pretty and it's so nice to just sit outside 0:19:39.960 --> 0:19:42.240 and drink all day. But truly, like I think some 0:19:42.359 --> 0:19:44.920 of these places serve like beer, But like I don't 0:19:44.920 --> 0:19:46.639 know if it's like worth going up to Napa to 0:19:46.680 --> 0:19:48.480 just like have a do a beer run. 0:19:48.680 --> 0:19:50.439 You know, it might just never be a part of 0:19:50.480 --> 0:19:51.160 my story. 0:19:52.680 --> 0:19:56.879 Napa, Sonoma so many places that will be not in 0:19:56.920 --> 0:19:57.960 your but that's okay. 0:19:58.119 --> 0:20:00.959 I got to meet Heather McMahon, who I've never met 0:20:01.000 --> 0:20:01.560 in person. 0:20:01.920 --> 0:20:04.320 Oh yeah, and I was really happy to meet her. 0:20:04.720 --> 0:20:05.679 That was exciting for me. 0:20:05.760 --> 0:20:08.280 She's like a she's like a person that like had 0:20:08.280 --> 0:20:10.200 this huge ascension and I was like, I don't even 0:20:10.240 --> 0:20:11.840 know what scene she came up in, Like I don't 0:20:11.840 --> 0:20:12.400 really know much. 0:20:12.280 --> 0:20:17.240 About Atlanta, you know, but because she knows she people 0:20:17.240 --> 0:20:19.480 think she's a Republican and I was a part of that. 0:20:19.600 --> 0:20:24.120 Oh she's not. But she just gives like rich southern 0:20:24.160 --> 0:20:24.840 you know what I mean. 0:20:25.400 --> 0:20:30.320 Yeah, but she's like awesome and I was really excited 0:20:30.359 --> 0:20:31.200 to meet her. 0:20:31.720 --> 0:20:34.520 That's awesome, that's great. She seems like so she's always 0:20:34.520 --> 0:20:38.360 on much what happens too? Yeah, yeah, yeah, she's always girl. 0:20:38.480 --> 0:20:40.720 I've only been on once, but it's become a pretty 0:20:40.720 --> 0:20:41.479 monumental night. 0:20:41.520 --> 0:20:43.680 I would say it's pretty monumental. 0:20:43.920 --> 0:20:47.479 But you're not still not watching Beverly Hills. You're not 0:20:47.680 --> 0:20:49.440 like you're just not because you're you're in your reading 0:20:49.440 --> 0:20:50.879 era and you haven't caught up on that stuff. 0:20:51.040 --> 0:20:51.800 Yeah, I'm reading. 0:20:51.960 --> 0:20:53.879 I got even Mortal Kombat I had to watch in 0:20:53.880 --> 0:20:56.399 two days, Like I just I don't know. 0:20:56.520 --> 0:20:58.720 Yeah, I wouldn't say this season of Beverly Hills is 0:20:58.760 --> 0:21:02.359 like a must watch by I'm just curious on your 0:21:02.440 --> 0:21:05.840 opinions on Amanda because she just seems like such a grifter. 0:21:06.560 --> 0:21:09.320 And then in the reunion they kind of like it 0:21:09.359 --> 0:21:11.399 felt like Andy kind of like let her off a 0:21:11.400 --> 0:21:15.639 little easy on the grift. But that's Andy. Everybody do 0:21:15.760 --> 0:21:19.159 be grifting, So I don't know, that's Andy. Speaking of 0:21:19.160 --> 0:21:21.119 Spencer Pratt, I did tell a man in the audience 0:21:21.160 --> 0:21:23.119 at my show, like, you look like Spencer Pratt, and 0:21:23.119 --> 0:21:25.560 they were all laughing. But then I high fived him afterwards, 0:21:25.560 --> 0:21:28.600 So I think we're good. But let's get started. 0:21:28.640 --> 0:21:30.840 This is like one of the best episodes. I'm so 0:21:30.960 --> 0:21:31.840 excited to do it. 0:21:32.080 --> 0:21:36.200 The usual announcements Liza's tour dates are at Glittercheese dot com. 0:21:36.359 --> 0:21:38.640 You guys can get merch at that's messed up live 0:21:38.680 --> 0:21:41.600 dot com. Also we've got the Lewis Lewis Lee Louise 0:21:41.680 --> 0:21:45.320 t shirt and also our Patreon we're doing some fun stuff, 0:21:45.359 --> 0:21:46.360 so get on over there. 0:21:47.680 --> 0:21:49.080 Yeah that's messed up. 0:21:49.320 --> 0:21:52.760 I mean Patreon dot com slash that's messed up. So 0:21:53.000 --> 0:21:56.280 come find us over there, get some extra. If you 0:21:56.320 --> 0:21:57.960 love this, you're gonna get more of it. 0:21:59.320 --> 0:22:00.800 So that's that. Let's get started. 0:22:05.119 --> 0:22:10.399 Okay, Today we are doing the episode Bound, which Sack 0:22:11.359 --> 0:22:13.800 wanted to do forever, a classic classic. 0:22:14.520 --> 0:22:16.399 We definitely if you're having a little bit of. 0:22:16.400 --> 0:22:18.520 Dejevous as we go through it, it's because we did 0:22:18.520 --> 0:22:20.680 have Anthony Rap on the podcast and he did talk 0:22:20.720 --> 0:22:23.080 about this episode a little bit, but we've not covered 0:22:23.080 --> 0:22:25.800 it because people have message just being like, am I crazier? 0:22:25.800 --> 0:22:27.840 Have you done this one? And I'm like, it feels 0:22:27.880 --> 0:22:29.680 crazy we have not done it, and here we are. 0:22:30.960 --> 0:22:34.119 But also if you're oh, who's there's no guests, so 0:22:34.480 --> 0:22:38.440 just no guests, I'm sorry, I don't think that's the same. 0:22:38.680 --> 0:22:42.239 I would have loved Jane Krakowski. Did we even did 0:22:42.280 --> 0:22:43.480 she say no? What happened. 0:22:43.840 --> 0:22:46.560 Yeah, she said she passed, but like, I never see 0:22:46.560 --> 0:22:49.760 her on podcasts that much. And also but I and 0:22:49.800 --> 0:22:51.399 I worked with her on Drag Race, and she was 0:22:51.520 --> 0:22:53.960 so so sweet and she even seemed kind of shy. 0:22:54.000 --> 0:22:56.000 So I wonder if she just like was like, that's 0:22:56.000 --> 0:22:57.840 a long time ago and she only ever did this 0:22:57.880 --> 0:22:59.720 one episode of Us for you. So, but she was 0:22:59.760 --> 0:23:02.359 so sweet when I met her, and I love her. 0:23:02.640 --> 0:23:04.200 Only person I got a photo with that came on 0:23:04.280 --> 0:23:04.760 Drug Race. 0:23:04.960 --> 0:23:07.840 I would like to say we at least the audience 0:23:07.920 --> 0:23:10.920 knows we tried. Yes, we tried. We did our best, 0:23:11.160 --> 0:23:13.040 but we have least get to talk about it. It's 0:23:13.080 --> 0:23:15.560 a really good episode and it's like old, so I 0:23:15.680 --> 0:23:18.000 like it. Yeah, she might have been like that was 0:23:18.000 --> 0:23:18.640 twenty years ago. 0:23:18.720 --> 0:23:20.920 I've made a lot of iconic television between now and then, 0:23:21.040 --> 0:23:23.520 and I can't I can't remember, so who knows. 0:23:25.000 --> 0:23:25.880 Okay. 0:23:25.960 --> 0:23:28.560 So the beginning of the episode is one of my 0:23:28.600 --> 0:23:33.600 favorite tropes, which is a realtor showing someone a huge 0:23:33.600 --> 0:23:36.760 Manhattan Brownstone, going there's no wiggle room on the price 0:23:36.840 --> 0:23:37.720 and it won't stay on. 0:23:37.640 --> 0:23:40.840 The market for long. Then immediately something's not right. 0:23:40.880 --> 0:23:44.960 They notice smash items they quickly stumble upon a gray 0:23:45.000 --> 0:23:48.320 haired woman in a silky robe and a man lying. 0:23:48.119 --> 0:23:48.520 Next to her. 0:23:48.560 --> 0:23:50.280 On then and that's when you know this is going 0:23:50.320 --> 0:23:51.840 to be an old person at and that's it. 0:23:52.040 --> 0:23:56.000 Yes, yeah, but one of the vulnerable communities. Yes, that 0:23:56.280 --> 0:23:57.840 s few does touch on more than once. 0:23:59.000 --> 0:24:02.440 The prospective home calls the police very wooden and goes, 0:24:02.560 --> 0:24:04.840 I need the police. Two people are dead, and then 0:24:04.960 --> 0:24:08.359 just as she says that, the man starts gasping and 0:24:08.400 --> 0:24:11.359 touching her foot, going olp me help me. So only 0:24:11.400 --> 0:24:14.720 one dead body, cut to o'haleran giving the rundown. The 0:24:15.359 --> 0:24:19.080 deceased woman is Donna Brooks, seventy, no sign of forced entry, 0:24:19.600 --> 0:24:23.320 no security camera. She's been raped and strangled and they 0:24:23.359 --> 0:24:29.880 found traces of seamen. So the old guy is Richard 0:24:30.000 --> 0:24:36.560 Sutton and that's a name, yeah for sure, Richard Sutton. 0:24:36.720 --> 0:24:39.440 And he's possibly had a heart attack. And they tell 0:24:39.440 --> 0:24:41.720 Stabler like you can come with us in the ambulance 0:24:42.080 --> 0:24:46.200 and he's like, sir, what happened? And he's going, Donna, Donna, 0:24:46.560 --> 0:24:49.480 I'm sorry, and then they lose his pulse and they 0:24:49.520 --> 0:24:51.200 have stablers start chest compressions. 0:24:51.200 --> 0:24:53.760 He's in VFIB which I've been watching the pit. 0:24:53.920 --> 0:24:56.200 There's a lot of VFIB happening all the time, and 0:24:56.359 --> 0:24:58.199 they have to shock him a couple times, but they 0:24:58.200 --> 0:25:01.000 do get his pulse back and just Benson rolls up 0:25:01.040 --> 0:25:03.359 he's off in the ambulance and she's like, is that 0:25:03.440 --> 0:25:06.480 the victim? And he's like, more like the purp confusing, 0:25:06.560 --> 0:25:08.600 what's happening? Did this man have a heart attack in 0:25:08.600 --> 0:25:11.520 the middle of attacking this woman? No one knows, and 0:25:11.680 --> 0:25:14.480 Stabler's obviously saying stuff like that with little to no 0:25:14.720 --> 0:25:18.480 information and only an accusation. So then after the credits, 0:25:18.680 --> 0:25:21.200 we're at the precinct. Benson and Stabler are filling in 0:25:21.280 --> 0:25:24.600 Daddy Kragan and they're like, well, someton's still unconscious after 0:25:24.720 --> 0:25:28.480 cardiac arrests. He's in the cardiac I see you, and 0:25:28.560 --> 0:25:30.199 he lives alone on the upper east Side and they 0:25:30.200 --> 0:25:32.879 say he keeps to himself. Well, what's he doing with 0:25:32.920 --> 0:25:35.440 the queen of the charity balls? Maybe he's her boyfriend, 0:25:36.160 --> 0:25:38.639 Maybe they had sex. They argued he killed her and 0:25:38.640 --> 0:25:42.800 then he had a heart attack, or maybe he found 0:25:42.800 --> 0:25:45.360 her body and had a heart attack. And Warner gives 0:25:45.400 --> 0:25:47.520 the time of death at ten pm the night before 0:25:48.000 --> 0:25:49.720 and in walks Donna Brooks's daughter. 0:25:50.000 --> 0:25:52.239 She's not happy, obviously. 0:25:51.720 --> 0:25:53.840 And so they have her in wood room blinds because 0:25:53.840 --> 0:25:56.879 she's not a criminal, and they're asking her some questions 0:25:57.840 --> 0:25:59.679 like why are you selling? Why is she selling her 0:25:59.680 --> 0:26:02.399 brown stone? And she's like, the daughter's like, I forced 0:26:02.400 --> 0:26:04.920 her to. She likes her independence, but I just wanted 0:26:04.920 --> 0:26:06.959 her to spend the little time she has left with 0:26:07.000 --> 0:26:09.640 me and her grandkids. Because it turns out Donna was sick. 0:26:09.760 --> 0:26:11.760 She had lymphoma, and the docs gave her like a 0:26:11.880 --> 0:26:12.400 year to live. 0:26:13.200 --> 0:26:14.040 So she goes. 0:26:14.080 --> 0:26:16.440 I called her that morning, but I got the machine. 0:26:16.680 --> 0:26:19.160 I figured she was exercising. And it is two thousand 0:26:19.160 --> 0:26:21.280 and four, so people are still using innstring machines, even 0:26:21.280 --> 0:26:24.680 if they're extremely rich. And her daughter says, she worked 0:26:24.680 --> 0:26:27.119 out at every morning at five am, and she wanted 0:26:27.119 --> 0:26:29.760 to stay fit because there was competition for good men. 0:26:30.400 --> 0:26:34.080 And they're like, oh, so she was getting around, dating around, 0:26:34.119 --> 0:26:36.240 And the daughter's like embarrassed to admit that her mom 0:26:36.320 --> 0:26:39.440 was very sexually active with all sorts of men. And 0:26:39.720 --> 0:26:41.760 she doesn't know the name Richard Sutton, but she goes, 0:26:41.800 --> 0:26:44.080 but that doesn't mean anything. I don't know the names 0:26:44.080 --> 0:26:46.520 of most of these guys, and they're like, well, can 0:26:46.560 --> 0:26:47.760 you tell us any of the guys, and. 0:26:48.720 --> 0:26:51.800 She like a sludy elderly representation. 0:26:51.920 --> 0:26:55.120 Sludy in seventy, let's do it. You know, come on, 0:26:55.400 --> 0:26:56.240 you're so old. 0:26:56.000 --> 0:26:57.960 Because all you hear about is all of them always 0:26:57.960 --> 0:27:02.000 getting her pies. So I'm glad like you in the homes. 0:27:02.080 --> 0:27:07.280 Yeah, Harvey Cohen, the daughter says, was her instructor at 0:27:07.320 --> 0:27:10.119 Hot to Trot. He taught her how to tango, so 0:27:10.320 --> 0:27:11.960 of course we had it right over to the Hot 0:27:11.960 --> 0:27:15.959 to Trot studio. Benson cuts in on old Harvey and 0:27:16.040 --> 0:27:18.760 asks some questions about Donna, and she's like, so are 0:27:18.760 --> 0:27:21.000 you having an affair? And he goes, A gentleman doesn't 0:27:21.080 --> 0:27:23.760 kiss and tell, And then Stabler comes out of nowhere 0:27:23.760 --> 0:27:26.439 with a gentleman doesn't rape and murder his girlfriend. Okay, 0:27:26.560 --> 0:27:28.440 He like, it's one of those It's like one of 0:27:28.480 --> 0:27:30.320 those things, like that time that Finn comes out of 0:27:30.359 --> 0:27:33.520 the sidewalk, comes out of the building, like suddenly, Sailor's 0:27:33.600 --> 0:27:36.520 just there, and he goes, well, I had a date 0:27:36.520 --> 0:27:39.920 with her the night before, but I canceled it because 0:27:39.960 --> 0:27:42.200 she was flirting with another guy. During class, in front 0:27:42.200 --> 0:27:44.320 of everyone. I told her to take her boy toy 0:27:44.359 --> 0:27:47.639 and get out. And the boy toy's name is Ben Pauler, 0:27:47.760 --> 0:27:50.280 and he's young enough to be her son. So now 0:27:50.280 --> 0:27:53.560 we're at Ben's apartment where he's also in a silky robe, 0:27:53.600 --> 0:27:55.200 and I'm gonna tell you this is not the last 0:27:55.200 --> 0:27:55.800 piece of silk. 0:27:55.840 --> 0:27:57.200 We see this a lot. 0:27:57.280 --> 0:28:00.280 The wardrobe department was doing a lot of silky shopping 0:28:00.280 --> 0:28:03.400 this week. He's in a silky robe that's like half open, 0:28:03.480 --> 0:28:05.479 telling the cops about how yeah, he and Donna left 0:28:05.520 --> 0:28:08.760 class went back to her place. Stabler obviously, as always, 0:28:08.840 --> 0:28:11.119 is judgmental and grossed out by the forty year old 0:28:11.160 --> 0:28:14.400 age difference. And Ben tells Stabler, you should give older 0:28:14.400 --> 0:28:17.920 women a try, more experience, less inhibited and no chance 0:28:17.960 --> 0:28:21.000 of pregnancy. And he says, Donna's got a lot of 0:28:21.040 --> 0:28:24.199 dough that sweetens the pot, and they're like, had a 0:28:24.240 --> 0:28:27.480 lot of dough, She's dead. The man does not react, 0:28:27.600 --> 0:28:30.600 does not let a single emotion cross his face, and 0:28:30.640 --> 0:28:32.760 he goes, she was fine when I left her. 0:28:33.040 --> 0:28:35.040 No, she was satisfied. 0:28:35.800 --> 0:28:39.760 So does not mourn a woman whose body he was 0:28:39.840 --> 0:28:43.280 inside like yesterday. He just literally is like I didn't 0:28:43.320 --> 0:28:46.880 do it, and I fuck really good. Stabler grabs him 0:28:46.920 --> 0:28:50.080 by his silky little robe collar and asks what time 0:28:50.120 --> 0:28:53.360 he left her, and he goes nine p fifteen and 0:28:53.760 --> 0:28:56.760 he goes can any and Stable's like, can anyone verify that? 0:28:57.200 --> 0:28:59.240 And he goes Marian and on. 0:28:59.520 --> 0:29:02.400 Cue beautiful older woman who looks a lot like the 0:29:02.440 --> 0:29:06.120 dead woman, also in a silky nightgown, emerges out of 0:29:06.160 --> 0:29:08.320 a room with an alibi ready to go. She just 0:29:08.440 --> 0:29:10.360 walks out of the room and goes, I picked Ben 0:29:10.440 --> 0:29:12.480 up from Donna's at nine point fifteen, Like. 0:29:12.400 --> 0:29:16.640 It's just well, if it's right, you know, they're all mature, 0:29:16.680 --> 0:29:18.240 they don't go a fuck, they're just like using this 0:29:18.320 --> 0:29:22.160 guy for sex. But to have her, like to hear 0:29:22.280 --> 0:29:25.440 him talk so shittily about this other woman he's fucking 0:29:25.520 --> 0:29:28.440 like is that not a turn off? Like, ah, at 0:29:28.520 --> 0:29:31.000 least she was rich makes it even better. I'd be like, Okay, 0:29:31.040 --> 0:29:32.680 I guess I'm out of here, like I don't know. 0:29:32.880 --> 0:29:35.880 I don't get And again, they're more evolved, they're older. 0:29:35.920 --> 0:29:38.160 Maybe they don't give a fuck, but it is upsetting, 0:29:38.240 --> 0:29:41.440 like you, you know, Donna, you went to the house 0:29:41.440 --> 0:29:44.200 to pick him up, like you don't like that he's 0:29:44.240 --> 0:29:45.400 talking about Donna like this. 0:29:46.280 --> 0:29:49.520 Yeah, I guess when you're in your seventies, it's like 0:29:49.640 --> 0:29:53.280 doggy dog. I don't know, but there's no girl code anymore. 0:29:54.240 --> 0:29:57.880 Who knows. They're just like but all. I just think 0:29:57.920 --> 0:30:00.640 it's weird that he goes Mary and she comes out 0:30:00.680 --> 0:30:02.160 and goes I picked him up at nine fifteen, like, 0:30:02.440 --> 0:30:04.400 was she eavesdropping or what's happening? 0:30:04.400 --> 0:30:09.400 They didn't even ask her a question anyway. 0:30:09.560 --> 0:30:12.760 As they re enter the precinct, Benson's being a little judge, saying, wow, 0:30:12.800 --> 0:30:15.720 Donna really got around, And Finn's got some info for them. 0:30:16.160 --> 0:30:18.959 He's like, Sutton is still intubated, so no one can 0:30:19.000 --> 0:30:21.560 see him, but I did some digging on him. The 0:30:21.600 --> 0:30:25.040 guys had four wives. The first three died of natural causes. 0:30:25.080 --> 0:30:28.160 The fourth one is still with us. She's also loaded, 0:30:28.800 --> 0:30:32.680 but she actually filed a sixty one for DV last year, 0:30:33.160 --> 0:30:36.880 but she dropped the complaint. So and the social Security 0:30:36.960 --> 0:30:39.320 checks go to an address in Queens. So now they're 0:30:39.360 --> 0:30:42.040 in Queen's and Benson is interviewing this woman and she 0:30:42.120 --> 0:30:44.720 does not remember that she's married to Richard. She says, 0:30:44.760 --> 0:30:46.600 Marty was my one true love, and then she talks 0:30:46.600 --> 0:30:49.680 about President Truman sending her a telegram. She has rapidly 0:30:49.720 --> 0:30:52.920 progressing Alzheimer's And Stabler is talking to this man that 0:30:52.960 --> 0:30:56.000 works at the place and he goes, no offense, sir, 0:30:56.120 --> 0:30:57.520 but this place is where you work. 0:30:57.600 --> 0:30:59.600 Is disgusting. Why is this rich lady here? 0:31:00.000 --> 0:31:01.720 And he goes, well, she had a lot of money 0:31:01.800 --> 0:31:03.880 until that snake Sutton got a hold of it. The 0:31:03.920 --> 0:31:06.840 guy filed a complaint. The guy who they're talking to, 0:31:06.920 --> 0:31:09.440 he's like, I filed the complaint, but nothing happened. And 0:31:09.880 --> 0:31:12.040 he also said, yeah, this guy beats women up. The 0:31:12.120 --> 0:31:14.640 last visit, I found her lying on the floor all 0:31:14.680 --> 0:31:17.720 bruised up, and Stabler's pissed. He's like, I you know, 0:31:18.360 --> 0:31:21.400 he doesn't. He doesn't like hearing about anybody getting pissed. 0:31:21.440 --> 0:31:23.600 But he's got a mom, you know, Ellen Burston's his mom, 0:31:23.640 --> 0:31:25.800 and he doesn't like thinking about anyone beating her up. 0:31:25.880 --> 0:31:28.720 So they go talk to Sutton in the hospital. He's 0:31:28.760 --> 0:31:32.880 fully on a breathing tube but awake. They start accusing 0:31:32.960 --> 0:31:35.800 him of stuff, but his mouth is literally stuffed with tubes, 0:31:35.800 --> 0:31:37.880 like he cannot talk, and he says he showed up 0:31:37.880 --> 0:31:39.800 at the house at nine he's writing everything down on 0:31:40.080 --> 0:31:41.520 a piece of paper and they say so. 0:31:41.680 --> 0:31:42.200 Mean to him. 0:31:42.240 --> 0:31:43.920 I mean they think he's guilty, and I get it, 0:31:43.960 --> 0:31:47.080 but he is of tubes, Like you can't stress him out, 0:31:47.080 --> 0:31:49.480 like he's trying to live. I don't know, it seems 0:31:49.480 --> 0:31:52.120 way to aggress that for a person that's breathing with 0:31:52.160 --> 0:31:52.840 a ventilator. 0:31:53.520 --> 0:31:56.280 Yeah, and like, could they not give this guy an 0:31:56.360 --> 0:31:58.720 under five? Like I don't understand why they, like why 0:31:58.720 --> 0:32:01.520 they did this whole writing down thing, Like they just 0:32:01.600 --> 0:32:03.480 must have been like, well, we can't afford another extra 0:32:03.560 --> 0:32:04.200 in this one. 0:32:04.040 --> 0:32:06.560 Because they could just have the guy drawing his words. 0:32:06.960 --> 0:32:11.440 So they start accusing him and he's like yeah, and 0:32:11.480 --> 0:32:12.840 he goes, no, I showed up at the house at 0:32:12.880 --> 0:32:16.600 nine am. The door was open. And then they're like, 0:32:16.600 --> 0:32:18.880 where were you at ten pm last night? And he's like, 0:32:18.920 --> 0:32:22.240 home alone, he's writing this all SHARPI legal pad and 0:32:22.240 --> 0:32:25.200 he goes, no, Donna exercises in the morning. All the 0:32:25.240 --> 0:32:29.640 windows were open, it was freezing. I turned up the heat. 0:32:30.360 --> 0:32:33.560 So now they've got to go back to Milinda because 0:32:33.720 --> 0:32:34.440 what's going on. 0:32:34.520 --> 0:32:36.080 I do love this kind of thing. I was just 0:32:36.120 --> 0:32:39.000 about to say I would love when it's science like this. 0:32:39.400 --> 0:32:41.600 Yeah, I love when it's like, well, we didn't think 0:32:41.600 --> 0:32:44.000 about the kiln, right, wasn't there an episode with a kiln? 0:32:44.080 --> 0:32:44.280 Yeah? 0:32:44.280 --> 0:32:46.600 Like heated up the whole thing. Like I love that, 0:32:46.600 --> 0:32:47.120 that whole thing. 0:32:47.160 --> 0:32:51.080 That's like you can sort of fake when a body 0:32:51.160 --> 0:32:53.520 is killed or by or like just the elements happen, 0:32:53.600 --> 0:32:55.320 and well the course. 0:32:55.080 --> 0:32:59.560 Think about doctor Michael Badden, and I think about mister 0:32:59.680 --> 0:33:03.360 Roger and the Helpers, and like, so much of police 0:33:03.440 --> 0:33:06.840 and justice and everything is a nightmare. But I just 0:33:06.920 --> 0:33:13.200 love when science and dedication prevail. Yes, yeah, obviously not 0:33:14.920 --> 0:33:16.360 the crime that I'll be talking about. 0:33:16.880 --> 0:33:23.240 Yeah, there's not a quick solution there, a nightmare, decades long, 0:33:23.760 --> 0:33:26.400 systemic nightmare. But oh I can't wait. 0:33:26.960 --> 0:33:29.120 But I mean I literally wrote in my notes. Now 0:33:29.120 --> 0:33:32.480 Melinda's clearing everything up with science. It turns out that 0:33:32.560 --> 0:33:35.240 the working out would have brought the rigor on faster 0:33:35.400 --> 0:33:39.280 of her body, and then the cold causes the decline 0:33:39.320 --> 0:33:41.760 in the body temperature. When they do all the math, 0:33:43.200 --> 0:33:45.840 Melinda tells them that it turns out that Donna was 0:33:45.880 --> 0:33:48.960 actually killed early this morning at six am, so not 0:33:49.040 --> 0:33:49.720 the night before. 0:33:49.840 --> 0:33:51.000 She was killed earlier. 0:33:51.480 --> 0:33:55.240 So How the fuck did this like creepy, creepy wife 0:33:55.240 --> 0:33:57.720 beater guy like know all of that. Like how did 0:33:57.760 --> 0:34:01.240 he know when he walked in to her house, even 0:34:01.240 --> 0:34:02.520 if he was there to fuck? Like, how did he 0:34:02.640 --> 0:34:06.880 know that? Like she didn't die the night before. It's 0:34:06.880 --> 0:34:09.319 like weird that he did that. He would know that anyway. Oh, 0:34:09.360 --> 0:34:11.359 maybe because she called him and said come over, let's fuck, 0:34:11.360 --> 0:34:11.960 and then he was dead. 0:34:12.000 --> 0:34:15.680 But like at six am, she was dead. This is 0:34:15.800 --> 0:34:16.239 really weird. 0:34:16.280 --> 0:34:17.680 I don't know why this guy's coming over at nine 0:34:17.719 --> 0:34:21.920 Maybe they had a date anyway, what do you mean? Huh? 0:34:22.120 --> 0:34:22.600 Or fucking? 0:34:23.600 --> 0:34:26.120 They're fucking? But like at one point did she say 0:34:26.160 --> 0:34:28.640 come over? Was it like the night before or was 0:34:28.680 --> 0:34:31.960 it like at standing appointment? Yes, she's dead at nine am. 0:34:32.080 --> 0:34:36.680 She's dead at six am. So anyway, Melinda says that 0:34:37.360 --> 0:34:42.640 she could help, and she goes, these ligature remarks are unusual, okay, 0:34:43.000 --> 0:34:48.160 And whatever strangled Donna, the killer took it with him, 0:34:48.280 --> 0:34:51.439 and so it's probably not this guy because he didn't 0:34:51.480 --> 0:34:53.200 have some kind of special rope on him when they 0:34:53.200 --> 0:34:55.840 found him. So she forwarded the image to the FBI, 0:34:56.200 --> 0:34:58.319 and they're like, well, let's get Huong to speed things up. 0:34:58.320 --> 0:35:01.319 He's our FBI guy on the inside. He confirms that 0:35:01.360 --> 0:35:04.760 the ligature is from a rope called static kern mantle, 0:35:05.239 --> 0:35:08.760 a specific climbing rope that doesn't fray. There's fifteen matches 0:35:08.880 --> 0:35:11.840 it in ViCAP but then with this type of mo 0:35:12.360 --> 0:35:14.600 and then they narrow it down to two after they 0:35:14.760 --> 0:35:17.320 enter in like the details about old age and whatever, 0:35:17.640 --> 0:35:21.279 and they find two other victims, Susan Zelman sixty five, 0:35:21.400 --> 0:35:24.880 killed two years ago in Brooklyn, and Claudia Wooding seventy, 0:35:25.640 --> 0:35:28.400 killed three years ago in Piermont, which is like thirty 0:35:28.400 --> 0:35:33.040 minutes upstate from Manhattan. Three women over sixty, all from 0:35:33.040 --> 0:35:36.759 the Metro area, all strangled with this specific rope. We've 0:35:36.800 --> 0:35:39.600 got a serial killer preying on the elderly. Done done 0:35:39.640 --> 0:35:42.719 So top of K two, they're at the precinct. They've 0:35:42.719 --> 0:35:45.080 got a lot of dead photos of old ladies. Put 0:35:45.120 --> 0:35:48.680 paste it up like it's a real collage of dead ladies, 0:35:49.200 --> 0:35:53.240 old ladies, and it's very jarring. And Craigan is adding 0:35:53.239 --> 0:35:55.880 the detail that all of these women were also rich. Okay, 0:35:56.239 --> 0:35:59.920 the gang is all talking about how old people are lonely, vulnerable. 0:36:00.120 --> 0:36:03.319 They're good targets and also the money doesn't hurt, you know. 0:36:04.280 --> 0:36:06.719 Craigan wants to help, wants to keep them o in 0:36:06.840 --> 0:36:10.560 house to avoid a copycat. One of the victims, named Claudia, 0:36:10.680 --> 0:36:13.719 had a son named Eddie. He's a schmuck. She disinherited 0:36:13.800 --> 0:36:15.080 him when he lost a bunch of money in the 0:36:15.120 --> 0:36:18.359 suck market. Now he owns a fancy car dealership. There 0:36:18.400 --> 0:36:21.560 were no suspects in Susan's murder. Her husband is wheelchair 0:36:21.640 --> 0:36:24.360 bound with arthritis, so he wasn't like a big suspect. 0:36:24.760 --> 0:36:27.560 And Craigan traffic cops everyone to go interview the deadbeat 0:36:27.640 --> 0:36:29.719 son and the widower, and we got to link these 0:36:29.719 --> 0:36:32.160 three women to each other. So now they're talking to 0:36:32.200 --> 0:36:35.399 Marvin Zelman. He's being pushed by a nurse while they 0:36:35.400 --> 0:36:38.800 walk him in the park, and he's telling Benson and Stable, 0:36:38.840 --> 0:36:41.359 that stabler that he'll never forgive himself for his wife's death. 0:36:41.400 --> 0:36:44.160 He was out playing bridge and she'd be alive if 0:36:44.160 --> 0:36:46.839 he hadn't gone out that night. And then meanwhile, Finn 0:36:46.880 --> 0:36:49.920 and Munch are interviewing the greasy son and he's like, 0:36:50.000 --> 0:36:52.800 Savior energy, I didn't kill her, and like we're flipping 0:36:52.800 --> 0:36:55.359 flopping between the two interviews. Greasy Eddie says, the bitch 0:36:55.360 --> 0:36:57.600 didn't leave me a dime, but she was about to 0:36:57.680 --> 0:37:00.000 kick the bucket anyway. She had lung cancer, and then 0:37:00.120 --> 0:37:03.560 Marvin is saying, yeah, Susan actually had breast cancer. But 0:37:03.640 --> 0:37:05.680 the day she was killed, they told her she was 0:37:05.680 --> 0:37:10.640 in remission. Who was the oncologist. And now they're in 0:37:10.640 --> 0:37:14.520 the office of doctor David Brelsford and they asked the 0:37:14.560 --> 0:37:17.480 doctor about these two ladies and he's like, oh, unfortunately 0:37:17.480 --> 0:37:19.640 they're both dead. And then he goes, I believe they 0:37:19.640 --> 0:37:23.680 were both murdered. Yeah, yeah, your memory is serving you correctly. 0:37:23.719 --> 0:37:27.239 These women were both actually murdered brutally. You'd think you 0:37:27.239 --> 0:37:29.160 would just remember like two of your patients in the 0:37:29.160 --> 0:37:31.120 past couple of years just getting murdered. He's like, I 0:37:31.239 --> 0:37:36.000 think they were murdered. So the doc's like, what do 0:37:36.080 --> 0:37:38.120 you guys like sniffing around about, like what do you 0:37:38.160 --> 0:37:39.719 want from me? And they're like, He's like, if I 0:37:39.760 --> 0:37:42.360 wanted to kill someone, you wouldn't know about it. You know, 0:37:42.520 --> 0:37:45.560 like basically doctors know how to do this the right 0:37:45.600 --> 0:37:47.680 way and very cool, very cool to admit that and 0:37:47.719 --> 0:37:50.160 say that. And they were like, where were you at 0:37:50.200 --> 0:37:52.360 six am, and he goes home and I live alone 0:37:52.600 --> 0:37:54.920 and stablers like, dude, we've got three dead women and 0:37:54.960 --> 0:37:57.520 they're all connected to you. And he tells them there's 0:37:57.760 --> 0:38:01.480 a whole team that cancer patients, so they're probably connected 0:38:01.520 --> 0:38:03.840 to a lot of people. There's the doctors, the nurses, 0:38:03.880 --> 0:38:06.440 the social workers, and then there's at home care. Sometimes 0:38:06.680 --> 0:38:08.440 they're like, oh, who do you use for that, and 0:38:08.480 --> 0:38:11.680 he goes, I use RDH. It's run by doctor Matt Spivak. 0:38:12.160 --> 0:38:16.040 My patients wouldn't settle for less. So now we're at 0:38:16.160 --> 0:38:19.080 RDH where we see the icon the legend. Jane Krakowski 0:38:19.560 --> 0:38:22.680 obviously thirty rock. Kimmi Schmidt, a Broadway star, maybe one 0:38:22.680 --> 0:38:25.760 of the most talented people we have alive. She's playing 0:38:25.960 --> 0:38:29.200 Emma Spevak, the nurse manager at ARDH, and she's like 0:38:29.960 --> 0:38:32.840 doctor Spevak is in a meeting, and she's so subdued 0:38:32.920 --> 0:38:36.000 in this, Like she's so different than like Jenna Maroni, 0:38:36.200 --> 0:38:39.520 you know, like and she's like, he's in a meeting, 0:38:39.600 --> 0:38:42.120 can I help you with something? And you know, they're like, 0:38:42.120 --> 0:38:42.799 oh are you guys? 0:38:42.840 --> 0:38:44.640 Are you his wife? And she's like, I'm his sister. 0:38:45.320 --> 0:38:48.840 And so Emma throws hippa immediately to the wind and 0:38:49.560 --> 0:38:52.880 confirms all three of these women are patients of theirs, 0:38:53.320 --> 0:38:55.520 and that nurse. I mean, I guess when someone's dead 0:38:55.560 --> 0:38:57.040 there's not as much hippa. But I don't even think 0:38:57.040 --> 0:39:00.840 they told the hitt she's a nurse. 0:39:01.280 --> 0:39:02.160 Okay. 0:39:02.520 --> 0:39:06.040 Nurses have to follow hip as well, okay, And so like, 0:39:06.600 --> 0:39:08.480 I mean, I had to do hippo training when I 0:39:08.560 --> 0:39:10.600 was a receptionist at my mom's office. 0:39:10.920 --> 0:39:11.120 You know. 0:39:11.280 --> 0:39:14.479 Wow, So even even I was hippo compliant at one point. 0:39:15.040 --> 0:39:19.520 Now I'll tell anyone no, and she. 0:39:20.280 --> 0:39:21.960 Goes, uh, yep. 0:39:22.040 --> 0:39:24.920 All three women were patients of ours, and the nurse 0:39:25.000 --> 0:39:27.879 Deval was the primary for all of them. So now 0:39:27.920 --> 0:39:30.120 doctor Spivack enters a chat and it is friend of 0:39:30.160 --> 0:39:33.359 the pod and Broadway star Anthony Rapp, and he's like, 0:39:33.440 --> 0:39:35.360 you must be here about Donna Brooks. I saw it 0:39:35.400 --> 0:39:38.600 on the news and like, yeah, or maybe the other 0:39:38.680 --> 0:39:40.480 two women that have been murdered in the past couple 0:39:40.520 --> 0:39:43.080 of years that all have worked with your company. 0:39:43.160 --> 0:39:46.480 But old people just die, you know, and that's all 0:39:47.160 --> 0:39:50.160 were murdered. Yeah, for the sure, but I want I 0:39:50.160 --> 0:39:52.080 don't think it's that much of a smoking gun, because 0:39:52.080 --> 0:39:55.120 in my head it's like everyone's dying, some murdered, some 0:39:55.200 --> 0:39:57.320 not or maybe I'm wrong, I'm wrong, I'm wrong. 0:39:57.160 --> 0:40:00.160 A potpourri of murdered not murdered. You know, it's like 0:40:00.200 --> 0:40:01.400 who knows. I don't know. 0:40:01.440 --> 0:40:03.120 I think the murders would stick out in my head, 0:40:03.120 --> 0:40:06.880 but I guess not. And they bring up these two 0:40:06.920 --> 0:40:09.440 other patients and nurse Devall and they go, where can 0:40:09.440 --> 0:40:12.520 we find her? And they're like him, you sexist? 0:40:12.680 --> 0:40:14.360 You know? Does he's a male nurse. 0:40:15.080 --> 0:40:18.760 And it turns out Gary Deval, the nurse, was fired 0:40:18.760 --> 0:40:21.000 a few weeks back a patient accused him of stealing 0:40:21.440 --> 0:40:26.120 which patient? You ask, Donna Brooks? So where's Gary working now? 0:40:26.400 --> 0:40:30.600 Emma goes Meals on Wheels Now. They always reminds me 0:40:30.600 --> 0:40:32.359 of Twin Peaks. I don't know if anyone else has 0:40:32.400 --> 0:40:34.960 the same thing that watches Twin Peaks because Laura Palmer 0:40:35.000 --> 0:40:36.440 worked for Meals on Wheels and there was all this 0:40:36.560 --> 0:40:39.480 sketchy meals on wheelshit that happened in that show. They 0:40:39.600 --> 0:40:43.719 find Gary mid Meal on wheel and they ask him 0:40:43.920 --> 0:40:45.759 to take a ride with them to talk about Donna. 0:40:46.000 --> 0:40:48.040 And it's right as missus Rabinowitz comes to the door. 0:40:48.080 --> 0:40:50.280 She's very sad. She's like, don't leave, Gary. 0:40:50.360 --> 0:40:54.160 No one else visits me, and it's sad. So in 0:40:54.239 --> 0:40:57.240 cement room bars, Gary's like, I didn't steal from Donna. 0:40:57.280 --> 0:40:59.719 The bitch is lying, and they tell them, well, the 0:40:59.719 --> 0:41:01.640 bitch is dead, and he goes, well, I hated her, 0:41:01.680 --> 0:41:04.600 but I didn't kill her. And he said getting fired 0:41:04.680 --> 0:41:06.520 was the best thing that happened to me. And they're like, so, 0:41:06.560 --> 0:41:09.279 why do you have her house keys? And Benson asked, 0:41:09.320 --> 0:41:11.319 and he goes, I just forgot to return them. And 0:41:11.320 --> 0:41:14.200 then Sabler pulls out a watch with an engraving that 0:41:14.200 --> 0:41:17.200 says to Larry from Donna my beloved husband or whatever, 0:41:17.520 --> 0:41:19.719 and they're like, you forget to return this too, and 0:41:19.760 --> 0:41:22.279 he goes, she ducked me twenty dollars for being ten 0:41:22.320 --> 0:41:25.480 minutes late. Sabler goes, you took a ten thousand dollars 0:41:25.600 --> 0:41:29.680 Rolex fair trade, like it is wild. Like first he's 0:41:29.680 --> 0:41:31.719 calling this woman a bitch, saying she's lying, but he 0:41:31.800 --> 0:41:35.200 absolutely did steal from her, like I'm sorry, she's a 0:41:35.280 --> 0:41:37.120 Karen and reported you for being late, but you are 0:41:37.160 --> 0:41:41.919 stealing and car and Gary goes that old bat gave 0:41:42.000 --> 0:41:43.560 half a million to feed the pigeon. 0:41:43.640 --> 0:41:45.200 She didn't need the lousy watch. 0:41:45.719 --> 0:41:48.680 And then he goes, well, did you steal from these 0:41:48.680 --> 0:41:50.800 two women as well? And he flashes pictures of the 0:41:50.840 --> 0:41:53.280 other two and he goes, no, not Susan, I would 0:41:53.320 --> 0:41:56.839 never She's a sweetheart. And he's never seen Claudia in 0:41:56.880 --> 0:42:00.000 his life, even though RDH says that he was her nurse, 0:42:00.440 --> 0:42:02.879 and he goes, they're lying. Someone's setting me up. Check 0:42:02.960 --> 0:42:05.640 the files. So now Craigan wants to know if we 0:42:05.680 --> 0:42:09.879 can subpoena RDH's records, and Casey is there saying, I'll 0:42:09.880 --> 0:42:12.440 get started on the paperwork, but I want to get 0:42:12.440 --> 0:42:16.240 the files authenticated since he's crying. Frame job. So Casey 0:42:16.320 --> 0:42:20.600 goes to this forensic expert, this forensic document expert to 0:42:20.640 --> 0:42:24.760 get the files checked out, and they're like, well, Deval's 0:42:24.840 --> 0:42:27.080 name is on all the files, and she's like, ah, 0:42:27.120 --> 0:42:29.000 so he was lying. And then the woman goes not 0:42:29.040 --> 0:42:33.480 necessarily check this out. The two signatures are totally identical, 0:42:34.280 --> 0:42:36.759 and no one signs their name the same way ever, 0:42:36.880 --> 0:42:39.640 exact every time, like they slide them over each other 0:42:39.760 --> 0:42:42.920 on the screen on the slide and they are carbon 0:42:42.960 --> 0:42:45.160 copies of each other, which they call, oh, this is 0:42:45.160 --> 0:42:47.640 a guy actually talking to them, and he goes, we 0:42:47.719 --> 0:42:51.799 call this transposition forgery. So someone copied the signature, put 0:42:51.800 --> 0:42:54.120 it in the files, and then copy the files so 0:42:54.160 --> 0:42:56.040 that the pace job would be undetectable. 0:42:56.520 --> 0:42:59.040 And Deval was right. It turns out he is being 0:42:59.040 --> 0:42:59.440 set up. 0:43:00.040 --> 0:43:02.680 So now at the precinct, Stabler and Kragan are trying 0:43:02.680 --> 0:43:04.320 to figure this all out. They're like, it's got to 0:43:04.360 --> 0:43:06.759 be someone at ardy age. Deval is a good fall guy, 0:43:07.280 --> 0:43:09.920 like he is a thief, but like, why kill these women? 0:43:10.960 --> 0:43:12.600 And they're all like, well, they were all rich, and 0:43:12.600 --> 0:43:14.880 then Casey walks in and goes, yeah, someone made a 0:43:14.920 --> 0:43:17.160 mint off their debts, and I've got the wills to 0:43:17.200 --> 0:43:21.359 prove it. The beneficiary of all these wills was done 0:43:21.480 --> 0:43:24.680 done the Golden Memories Foundation, which is led by doctor 0:43:24.760 --> 0:43:28.080 Matt Spevac, So they think the doc's been killing old 0:43:28.160 --> 0:43:32.440 ladies for their money. In interrogation with his lawyer, Speedvac 0:43:32.600 --> 0:43:35.160 is denying it, and his lawyer goes, he's a well 0:43:35.640 --> 0:43:37.920 well known and respected doctor, and it's like, so is 0:43:37.960 --> 0:43:40.759 every doctor that has been fucking guilty of murdering their 0:43:40.800 --> 0:43:45.680 wife molesting their patients doing whatever. Doctors are not above anything, 0:43:46.960 --> 0:43:48.959 and he's like, why would I murder them? And they're 0:43:49.000 --> 0:43:51.680 like the money, and he goes, I don't need the money. 0:43:51.880 --> 0:43:55.520 The money goes to my organization and my company does well, 0:43:55.600 --> 0:43:58.440 I don't need these ladies' money. I started Golden Memories 0:43:58.480 --> 0:44:01.239 to give back. And then's goes, well, you gave these 0:44:01.280 --> 0:44:05.200 three women back to God. And Speedac's lawyer I should 0:44:05.200 --> 0:44:10.440 mention is Nicky Stains, who interestingly is in two episodes 0:44:10.520 --> 0:44:12.600 during season five and then they don't bring her back 0:44:12.640 --> 0:44:16.440 till season eighteen, and she's in seasons eighteen through twenty. 0:44:16.160 --> 0:44:18.880 Three, both as a lawyer and as a victim. 0:44:19.000 --> 0:44:23.319 She gets assaulted by Titus Welliver aka Bosh. And she's 0:44:23.360 --> 0:44:25.920 a good character, like a good recurring character, because she's 0:44:25.960 --> 0:44:27.040 like a bulldog lawyer. 0:44:27.080 --> 0:44:28.440 But then she becomes a victim. 0:44:28.239 --> 0:44:32.960 And you know, and she's a good lawyer too, because 0:44:32.960 --> 0:44:34.879 she's like, you guys have nothing. We're out of here, right. 0:44:35.120 --> 0:44:39.200 Speedvac looks a very smug in the bullpen. Stabler's pissed. 0:44:39.200 --> 0:44:41.120 He's like, I want to get this guy, and Wang's like, 0:44:41.640 --> 0:44:44.160 I'm not so sure he's guilty. And Stabler's like, you 0:44:44.200 --> 0:44:46.040 know something we don't know or is this just like 0:44:46.080 --> 0:44:49.200 a professional courtesy of Wong's like I'm giving you my 0:44:49.360 --> 0:44:53.719 professional opinion. He's like a doctor would have covered his 0:44:53.840 --> 0:44:57.840 tracks better, Like this is very sloppy, Like what's his motive? 0:44:58.200 --> 0:45:00.600 And Stabler's like money the best motive in the world, 0:45:01.000 --> 0:45:03.480 and Hwang's like, no, these murders were too personal to 0:45:03.560 --> 0:45:06.040 have been committed for profit, Like choking the life out 0:45:06.040 --> 0:45:08.880 of three elderly women is an act of rage, which 0:45:08.920 --> 0:45:12.399 is like true, Like if you're taking care of them, 0:45:12.440 --> 0:45:14.799 you could easily like put something in their food or 0:45:14.800 --> 0:45:17.640 whatever if you just wanted like them gone for their money, 0:45:17.680 --> 0:45:20.520 you know, like this is a rage act. So Craigan 0:45:20.600 --> 0:45:23.239 is like, we don't even know if Spivak got a 0:45:23.320 --> 0:45:25.879 dime of this money personally. But Novak says, we don't 0:45:25.880 --> 0:45:29.680 have enough to subpoena his finances. But the Golden Memories finances, 0:45:30.120 --> 0:45:32.840 Benson points out our public record because it's a nonprofit. 0:45:33.200 --> 0:45:35.200 So let's have a forensic account and check and see 0:45:35.239 --> 0:45:37.920 if the books are being cooked. So now we're talking 0:45:37.960 --> 0:45:40.399 to a lady forensic accountant who tells them that last 0:45:40.480 --> 0:45:42.799 year Golden Memories took in six hundred and seventy five 0:45:42.840 --> 0:45:45.600 thousand dollars and most of it was used to pay 0:45:45.600 --> 0:45:49.200 for two indigent patients. It's a lot, you know, that's 0:45:49.200 --> 0:45:53.040 like three three hundred plus k to Maria Franco and 0:45:53.040 --> 0:45:56.880 Andrea Robbins. And that's a lot of charity for two people, 0:45:56.920 --> 0:45:59.120 they say, and they and the woman goes, yeah, especially 0:45:59.120 --> 0:46:02.040 two dead ones. I checked with Social Security. These two 0:46:02.040 --> 0:46:04.759 women have both been dead since nineteen ninety six. She 0:46:04.840 --> 0:46:06.799 made us pay for it. She really played. She had 0:46:06.800 --> 0:46:09.000 fun that day at work, that lady. Yeah, she's like 0:46:09.160 --> 0:46:10.920 once in a while as a forensic account and I 0:46:10.920 --> 0:46:11.960 get to do something kind of fun. 0:46:12.000 --> 0:46:12.560 And here we go. 0:46:13.719 --> 0:46:17.279 So that's that's enough for a search warrant. Let's get going. 0:46:17.640 --> 0:46:21.520 So now Finn is in this nice ass apartment, just full. 0:46:21.600 --> 0:46:24.279 He's in Speedback's apartment and he's just fully narrating what 0:46:24.360 --> 0:46:27.640 he sees. He goes, look at this place, beautiful view, 0:46:27.960 --> 0:46:33.319 fancy art, expensive antiques. It's like very tell, don't show, 0:46:33.440 --> 0:46:35.399 I mean, we're seeing it. And then he's also telling 0:46:35.480 --> 0:46:39.440 us and it's all unpaid for. Apparently his credit cards 0:46:39.480 --> 0:46:42.239 are all maxed out on are all maxed out and 0:46:42.280 --> 0:46:46.280 it turns out the culprit is gambling from Atlantic City 0:46:46.320 --> 0:46:50.040 to Foxwoods, which is a place I've had some fun. 0:46:51.440 --> 0:46:56.320 He has been working up debts. They check his answering 0:46:56.360 --> 0:47:00.040 machine and it's a mean voice going Speedvacy elated and 0:47:00.360 --> 0:47:01.960 pay up and we're coming over. 0:47:02.200 --> 0:47:04.680 So Finn like, you know. 0:47:04.920 --> 0:47:08.359 Then Finn clocks a pick of speedback rock climbing, and 0:47:08.600 --> 0:47:11.560 Munch finds all his climbing gear and the rope is 0:47:11.560 --> 0:47:16.080 the possible murder weapon. So now back at RDH, Emma's 0:47:16.160 --> 0:47:19.600 walking and talking with Benson and Stabler. She's asking like, 0:47:19.680 --> 0:47:21.800 can this wait. My brother's in a meeting with a client. 0:47:22.160 --> 0:47:24.319 And she's like, Matt would never hurt anyone. And then 0:47:24.440 --> 0:47:25.520 obviously I can't wait. 0:47:25.560 --> 0:47:27.360 They're there. They're like, no, get him. 0:47:27.600 --> 0:47:29.600 So she opens the door to Matt's office and he's 0:47:29.680 --> 0:47:33.080 midpitched to this old lady and he's like, he's like, God, 0:47:33.160 --> 0:47:35.359 damn it, Emma, you dumb, dumb bitch. I told you 0:47:35.360 --> 0:47:38.520 no interruptions when I'm pitching, right, And then he sees 0:47:38.560 --> 0:47:40.880 the cops and they arrest him and cuff him in 0:47:40.880 --> 0:47:44.800 front of this lady and Emma's like, and he goes, Emma, 0:47:44.840 --> 0:47:45.719 what did you tell them? 0:47:45.760 --> 0:47:48.520 And he goes, she goes nothing, I swear Matt like. 0:47:48.960 --> 0:47:53.560 And also Jane Kerkowski's character seems very pilled up, like 0:47:53.640 --> 0:47:59.000 she seems like not all there right, Like she's very disassociating. Right, 0:48:00.440 --> 0:48:03.560 a baby voice, Yeah, she has a baby voice, but 0:48:03.600 --> 0:48:06.120 she's also kind of like her eyes aren't focused. Like 0:48:06.200 --> 0:48:09.480 she's playing this very well. I think she's excellent in this. 0:48:09.560 --> 0:48:12.120 I'm I'm surprised she didn't get like a nomination for 0:48:12.239 --> 0:48:16.440 like a guest at Maybe she did. I don't think so, though, 0:48:16.440 --> 0:48:18.320 because I think I just went through all the nominations 0:48:18.360 --> 0:48:21.719 the other day and she did not. At arraignment, Spevac 0:48:22.000 --> 0:48:25.000 pleads not guilty. Casey wants hermand he's a flight risk, 0:48:25.080 --> 0:48:27.480 and the judge is like, and he's he's trying to 0:48:27.480 --> 0:48:29.920 fight it, and the judge is like, unfortunately, sir, I 0:48:30.000 --> 0:48:31.319 have an eighty year old mother. 0:48:31.480 --> 0:48:34.040 So Spevac swears he didn't kill anyone. 0:48:34.080 --> 0:48:37.120 But nevertheless, Baylist said at five hundred thousand, Nicki stains 0:48:37.200 --> 0:48:39.600 tells Novak, listen, Casey, he'll plead out to the fraud, 0:48:39.640 --> 0:48:42.160 and Novak is like, no way. He pleads to three 0:48:42.200 --> 0:48:44.240 counts of murder two and I'll take the death penalty 0:48:44.280 --> 0:48:47.239 off the table. And Emma's like, but he's innocent, and 0:48:47.239 --> 0:48:49.080 the lures like, don't worry, babe, they're bluffing. 0:48:49.160 --> 0:48:49.839 They don't have shit. 0:48:50.400 --> 0:48:53.240 So next up, Novak and Benson is Tabler are walking 0:48:53.239 --> 0:48:55.680 outside and Casey's like, you know, she's kind of right, 0:48:55.800 --> 0:48:57.440 Like the fraud case is solid, but I don't have 0:48:57.480 --> 0:49:00.960 anything on these murders. Everything is circumstantial. Well, let's see 0:49:00.960 --> 0:49:04.120 if we can get anything from the sister. If she 0:49:04.280 --> 0:49:07.279 was helping with the fraud, we might be able to pressure. 0:49:07.000 --> 0:49:07.560 Her a little bit. 0:49:07.640 --> 0:49:11.800 Right, So when they roll up to Emma Spevack's building, surprise, surprise, 0:49:11.960 --> 0:49:15.480 cops are already there and they're like, oh, yeah, the 0:49:15.520 --> 0:49:17.880 gal from the nursing agency was attacked and almost choked 0:49:17.880 --> 0:49:19.799 to death. So when they get up there, Emma's like 0:49:19.920 --> 0:49:22.320 lying in a chair with this like little oxygen mask 0:49:22.880 --> 0:49:25.600 like pressed against her mouth and breathing, and there's choke 0:49:25.680 --> 0:49:28.840 marks around her neck, like really really like not choke marks, 0:49:28.880 --> 0:49:33.200 like ligature marks, and she won't say who attacked her. 0:49:34.000 --> 0:49:35.880 But then she starts talking about how her brother's been 0:49:35.960 --> 0:49:38.120 under so much stress and he needed some money and 0:49:38.120 --> 0:49:39.600 I told him I wouln't give him any more money, 0:49:39.600 --> 0:49:42.200 and he freaked out, Please don't hurt him. Then we 0:49:42.239 --> 0:49:45.840 got to the cops entering Speedvac's suite apartment, but no 0:49:45.880 --> 0:49:49.200 one is there, and they check his phone and on 0:49:49.239 --> 0:49:53.080 the caller ID there's a call at five five am 0:49:53.560 --> 0:49:57.640 from someone named Vivian Callous. So at Vivian Callis's home, 0:49:58.280 --> 0:50:01.400 they bust in and find yet another dead woman in 0:50:01.400 --> 0:50:06.560 a silky pajama situation, and Stabler then finds Speedback himself 0:50:06.760 --> 0:50:09.680 dead on the floor. And I do remember Anthony Rapp 0:50:09.719 --> 0:50:11.680 telling us that like Maloney pissed him off in this 0:50:11.800 --> 0:50:14.120 scene because he was lying there for so long covered 0:50:14.160 --> 0:50:16.680 in blood, and Christopher Moloney was like taking his time 0:50:16.800 --> 0:50:19.799 or like coming late, being late, or like wanting to 0:50:19.800 --> 0:50:22.120 do the scene over and over getting out. Yeah, yeah, 0:50:22.200 --> 0:50:24.080 it was like really making him mad because he's like 0:50:24.120 --> 0:50:26.080 I'm freezing, I'm like lying here covered in blood. 0:50:26.120 --> 0:50:28.440 Can we just move this on? Anyway? Go back and 0:50:28.480 --> 0:50:31.000 live like that episode he took it was nice. 0:50:31.120 --> 0:50:33.879 If anyone is interested in learning more of this, go 0:50:33.920 --> 0:50:37.160 back and listen to episode twenty seven of our podcast 0:50:37.719 --> 0:50:42.240 Lessons Learn Yeah he was an early get Lessons Learned 0:50:43.200 --> 0:50:47.279 where he plays a victim in like a school sex 0:50:47.280 --> 0:50:51.359 abuse scandal and from like when he was younger, and 0:50:51.400 --> 0:50:51.880 then he's. 0:50:51.719 --> 0:50:53.360 Also in this episode, so he talked about both and 0:50:53.440 --> 0:50:56.319 I can't believe it's twenty seven. I know. 0:50:57.719 --> 0:51:05.800 Yeah, So so the act ends on Speedvac's dead body. 0:51:05.840 --> 0:51:08.280 So top of act four, there's zipin Broadway Legend Anthony 0:51:08.280 --> 0:51:10.759 wrap up into a body bag and Stabler is trying 0:51:10.800 --> 0:51:12.799 to rub it in with Huang being like that's our 0:51:12.880 --> 0:51:17.640 serial killer, and Huang's like okay. So Vivian Kallis shot 0:51:17.719 --> 0:51:19.640 him in the heart. She must be pretty good with 0:51:19.719 --> 0:51:22.279 a gun. And then our girl friend of the Pod, 0:51:22.400 --> 0:51:26.560 Judith Ciper CSU tech Judas Ciper is there going Actually 0:51:26.719 --> 0:51:28.759 she shot once and hit the ceiling and then the 0:51:28.800 --> 0:51:32.279 next shot was lucky and she got him and the 0:51:32.360 --> 0:51:35.160 lights were out, so she shot him in the dark, 0:51:35.480 --> 0:51:39.600 perfectly in the heart, like what's happening? And Csu found 0:51:39.680 --> 0:51:42.080 jewelry in Spevac's pockets. He was gonna rob her for 0:51:42.160 --> 0:51:44.000 some cash and probably hit the road, but she had 0:51:44.000 --> 0:51:46.879 a gun. The gun is registered to her, and her 0:51:46.960 --> 0:51:50.480 cause of death was a stroke and Huang is suspicious. 0:51:50.520 --> 0:51:53.040 He goes, I don't see any medications for hypertension or 0:51:53.040 --> 0:51:55.080 blood thinners, like, she doesn't seem to have any risk 0:51:55.120 --> 0:51:57.799 factors for stroke. And Stabler's like, well, she's an eighty 0:51:57.840 --> 0:51:59.520 year old woman with a man in her bedroom trying 0:51:59.520 --> 0:52:02.399 to kill her, like she was scared, and he goes, yeah, 0:52:02.520 --> 0:52:04.640 so scared that she popped a shot off in the 0:52:04.719 --> 0:52:07.879 dark that hit him in the Heartstone doesn't make sense. 0:52:08.000 --> 0:52:10.400 At least someone's come to work to think. 0:52:10.680 --> 0:52:12.960 Yes, Because this is the problem with the cops is 0:52:13.000 --> 0:52:15.480 sometimes they go immediately with the first thing, and it's 0:52:15.520 --> 0:52:17.040 not always the thing right. 0:52:17.480 --> 0:52:21.239 But then during stucky it's the opposite. Sometimes what was 0:52:21.280 --> 0:52:21.839 the little thing? 0:52:21.880 --> 0:52:23.200 You know? Sometimes it is just. 0:52:23.200 --> 0:52:27.040 When you hear Zebra's when you hear hoof beats, it's horses, 0:52:27.080 --> 0:52:27.760 not zebras. 0:52:28.000 --> 0:52:29.640 But for that one, it was Zebra's right. 0:52:32.920 --> 0:52:34.880 And not to break again, I'm sure I brought it up, 0:52:34.920 --> 0:52:36.840 but I have peta Zebra Zori. 0:52:37.040 --> 0:52:40.200 I'll never forget you. Ooh, that's exciting. 0:52:40.280 --> 0:52:42.720 Yeah, the San Diego zoo and then you know, Zari's 0:52:42.719 --> 0:52:44.840 friend was Sophila r and the donkey, and then they 0:52:44.880 --> 0:52:46.719 bring the donkey in for a play day every single 0:52:46.800 --> 0:52:47.759 day across the zoo. 0:52:47.840 --> 0:52:50.919 Oh, by the way, I got clarification on the goats. 0:52:51.320 --> 0:52:54.799 Kara and Liza. The goats are sisters. Liza already had 0:52:54.880 --> 0:52:58.800 babies and she named them after Simpson's characters. 0:52:58.840 --> 0:53:01.880 Oh my mind. Kara's babies are Rosie and Oscar. 0:53:02.600 --> 0:53:05.600 Wow. Got I'll look up the Simpson's characters. I have 0:53:05.680 --> 0:53:07.719 the message from her. I'm sorry I forgot them right now. 0:53:07.800 --> 0:53:14.840 It's probably Yeah, I'd like some. I'd like to pass 0:53:14.880 --> 0:53:15.400 those along. 0:53:16.640 --> 0:53:19.880 So, k Melinda, I'd like to know how my goats 0:53:19.920 --> 0:53:22.200 are doing. Yeah, you're god goats. 0:53:23.920 --> 0:53:26.560 K Melinda were at her house and she's explaining how 0:53:26.640 --> 0:53:29.520 Vivian did have a stroke but it wasn't caused by fear. 0:53:30.040 --> 0:53:32.960 She goes, I almost missed it because her skin is wrinkled. 0:53:32.960 --> 0:53:35.400 But there's a puncture mark on her neck and the 0:53:35.480 --> 0:53:39.040 talk screen was negative. So my guess is that what 0:53:39.080 --> 0:53:42.080 she was injected with is air. And of course this 0:53:42.200 --> 0:53:46.440 is where we all learned about an air embalass. Like 0:53:46.560 --> 0:53:50.600 one of my you know, favorite learnings of the along 0:53:50.600 --> 0:53:52.719 with Pika and all the other things we've learned, is 0:53:53.000 --> 0:53:55.719 an air embliss is just like a tiny shot of 0:53:55.760 --> 0:53:58.680 air into the coroated artery, which can cause a stroke 0:53:58.719 --> 0:54:01.480 because it acts as a claw, blocking blood flow to 0:54:01.560 --> 0:54:05.240 the brain. We know that Spevac didn't die of natural causes, 0:54:05.280 --> 0:54:07.680 and now you're saying she didn't die of natural causes either. 0:54:07.880 --> 0:54:09.839 There must have been a third person in that room. 0:54:10.280 --> 0:54:12.759 And Melinda goes, well, only a health professional would know 0:54:12.800 --> 0:54:15.160 what an air embolace is and how to do it properly. 0:54:15.719 --> 0:54:18.319 And the only other person with the access to all 0:54:18.320 --> 0:54:21.080 these women who's a health professional. 0:54:21.080 --> 0:54:22.120 Is Emma Speedback. 0:54:22.520 --> 0:54:25.759 So at the precinct, they're running through the scenario, like 0:54:26.160 --> 0:54:31.800 Emma kills Vivian and then calls Matt over to her apartment, 0:54:32.200 --> 0:54:36.400 then kills him and puts Vivian's prints on the gun. 0:54:36.000 --> 0:54:40.440 Then then they're like, and then Emma strangled herself is 0:54:40.680 --> 0:54:42.200 then they're like, but then who strangled Emma? 0:54:42.320 --> 0:54:43.440 Because she was strangled. 0:54:43.840 --> 0:54:45.759 These people have been dead for a few hours, and 0:54:45.880 --> 0:54:48.920 Emma was strangled afterwards, and they're like, she strangled herself. 0:54:49.239 --> 0:54:51.759 She probably ditched the syringe somewhere, like you're not going 0:54:51.800 --> 0:54:54.239 to find the syringe, And then Huang throws stable or 0:54:54.320 --> 0:54:57.360 some climbing rope and goes strangle me, and he goes, 0:54:57.960 --> 0:55:00.440 I'll try. It's like very flirtatious for a second. 0:55:00.440 --> 0:55:01.680 Better too about it's. 0:55:01.600 --> 0:55:04.319 Very like choke me, daddy, right, even though the last 0:55:04.320 --> 0:55:06.600 episode we did just talked about how you know that's 0:55:06.719 --> 0:55:08.319 usually not great, but. 0:55:08.719 --> 0:55:10.680 I know I was thinking, I can't believe we're doing 0:55:10.680 --> 0:55:14.480 two choking right now. Back, Yeah, but it's found to 0:55:14.520 --> 0:55:19.720 happen right now. I'm choking myself slowly with smoke for decades, 0:55:19.800 --> 0:55:20.479 That's what I'm doing. 0:55:22.920 --> 0:55:26.640 So he is essentially demonstrating that if you're Matt Speback, 0:55:26.840 --> 0:55:30.080 you're six feet tall, you're probably choking these women. The 0:55:30.120 --> 0:55:32.719 marks are going to look a certain way because you're 0:55:32.760 --> 0:55:35.920 taller than them. But the way that the rope is 0:55:36.080 --> 0:55:39.960 angled downwards on all these women, it was probably Emma 0:55:40.320 --> 0:55:43.120 who did it, because she's like five foot three, and 0:55:43.160 --> 0:55:45.600 they're like, we need a confession or she walks on 0:55:45.719 --> 0:55:48.640 five murders. So they show up at Emma's house and 0:55:48.680 --> 0:55:51.040 she's like, I don't really want to talk right now, 0:55:51.320 --> 0:55:54.160 and they're like come on, and she goes, okay, come 0:55:54.200 --> 0:55:54.480 on in. 0:55:56.480 --> 0:55:57.799 It really takes them no time. 0:55:57.880 --> 0:56:00.760 She's like, truly such a Pushover's part of her character 0:56:01.160 --> 0:56:02.360 and she's like watching. 0:56:02.640 --> 0:56:03.879 She's like, I'm learning. 0:56:03.840 --> 0:56:08.360 Whenever there's an old timy like a projector a projection, 0:56:08.760 --> 0:56:12.520 what are the words like a screen of projector old videos? 0:56:13.080 --> 0:56:19.600 Blurry? Nothing good, you cannot reminis. Yeah, it's the Carol. 0:56:19.760 --> 0:56:22.799 It's the Carol Burnette episode where she's like, you know 0:56:22.840 --> 0:56:24.200 when you go in there and someone's watching. 0:56:24.440 --> 0:56:29.279 But isn't it the j What isn't the one with 0:56:29.360 --> 0:56:31.600 the hoarders there's a video playing? Or is that a book? 0:56:31.640 --> 0:56:33.080 Am I making? Yeah? Yeah, I think so. 0:56:33.320 --> 0:56:35.439 I think he's I think Wallace Shawn's got a video 0:56:35.520 --> 0:56:36.799 at some point for sure. 0:56:36.840 --> 0:56:38.600 You know the Wallace Shawn play that John Early is 0:56:38.640 --> 0:56:40.959 in his over three hours long with two intermissions? 0:56:41.320 --> 0:56:46.080 Yeah right, yeah, right, Am I gonna go to that? Wait? 0:56:46.120 --> 0:56:47.799 Did I already say sorry for telling you I thought 0:56:47.800 --> 0:56:50.360 that closed? I realized previews were over here. I no, 0:56:50.440 --> 0:56:52.279 I've been talking to people who saw it. I got 0:56:52.280 --> 0:56:55.000 it closed. I literally, I know, like right after we 0:56:55.160 --> 0:56:56.680 I said that to you guys, it was us on 0:56:56.719 --> 0:56:59.200 an interview, and I went back and I go, oh god, 0:56:59.360 --> 0:57:02.640 it was just the pre had closed. Yea, but the 0:57:02.760 --> 0:57:05.359 thing is just starting. I just thought it was. I 0:57:05.400 --> 0:57:06.759 really thought it was done because I was trying to 0:57:06.760 --> 0:57:09.080 see if John Early would be in LA for something anyway. 0:57:10.040 --> 0:57:15.040 So they they she's watching the old timey Clark Clark 0:57:15.280 --> 0:57:16.520 Griswold Casey, what is it? 0:57:16.520 --> 0:57:19.360 Seven millimeters? What do you call it? Eight millimeter films seven? 0:57:19.720 --> 0:57:22.840 That's eight milimeter Okay, So she's watching eight millimeter, like 0:57:22.880 --> 0:57:28.640 you know, spools of old home videos and and she's 0:57:28.840 --> 0:57:32.160 and she's like, uh, watching just old videos of her 0:57:32.200 --> 0:57:34.919 brother who who is allegedly a serial killer and also 0:57:35.040 --> 0:57:36.960 tried to allegedly kill you a few hours ago. 0:57:37.040 --> 0:57:38.480 So you're just watching these videos. 0:57:38.640 --> 0:57:41.800 And in the home video, it's really obvious, like you 0:57:41.920 --> 0:57:43.520 only see a few seconds of this home video. 0:57:43.600 --> 0:57:45.480 The mom is just pushing Matt on a swing. 0:57:46.040 --> 0:57:48.400 Matt is a light of her fucking life, straight up, 0:57:48.480 --> 0:57:51.320 ignoring Emma, Like Emma's sitting on a swing nearby, is 0:57:51.360 --> 0:57:55.080 not getting a single push, not a smile, not a glance. 0:57:55.800 --> 0:57:58.040 And then there's more video of mom and Matt dancing 0:57:58.040 --> 0:58:01.520 around while Emma just like leans on a it's really wild, 0:58:01.880 --> 0:58:05.959 and they go boy mom behavior, yes, very boy mom. 0:58:06.040 --> 0:58:08.760 And she's like, she's like, when does your mom die? 0:58:08.800 --> 0:58:11.160 They ask her, and she goes, seven years ago, how 0:58:11.160 --> 0:58:12.560 did she die a stroke? 0:58:13.200 --> 0:58:13.720 Interesting? 0:58:14.200 --> 0:58:17.520 She turns off the home movies and they asked her, Emma, 0:58:17.560 --> 0:58:19.280 who choked you? And she goes, I told you it 0:58:19.320 --> 0:58:23.200 was my brother. And she goes, well, the problem is 0:58:23.240 --> 0:58:24.560 and she goes, I already told you this, Why are 0:58:24.600 --> 0:58:26.760 you torturing me? And they go, well, the problem is 0:58:26.760 --> 0:58:29.320 when you called us, your brother was already dead. So 0:58:29.640 --> 0:58:32.480 and she goes, well, I passed out. I didn't call nine. Well, 0:58:32.560 --> 0:58:33.800 oh my god, I said nine to eleven. 0:58:33.880 --> 0:58:34.320 I read it. 0:58:34.880 --> 0:58:37.400 She goes, I passed out. I didn't call nine one 0:58:37.440 --> 0:58:40.400 one until I came to. And the music is swelling, 0:58:40.560 --> 0:58:42.919 so like we know we're about to get something good. 0:58:43.240 --> 0:58:45.000 And Emma kind of knows she's caught. 0:58:45.080 --> 0:58:48.320 And when they tell her like they've ruled Matt out 0:58:48.360 --> 0:58:52.160 on the death of Vivian callis, Emma's like, well, if 0:58:52.240 --> 0:58:53.760 I think of anything, I'll make sure to call you 0:58:53.880 --> 0:58:57.360 right away. So now Stable and Huang are trying to 0:58:57.480 --> 0:59:01.360 sell Novak on exooming the body of Spevac's death love 0:59:01.440 --> 0:59:04.880 an exhamation. We love to wake the dead. 0:59:05.000 --> 0:59:08.120 I want to know the costs of it. 0:59:08.120 --> 0:59:11.320 It's a lot I have to imagine it's a fucking 0:59:11.680 --> 0:59:12.880 lot to do it. 0:59:13.200 --> 0:59:16.680 Okay, we do like to wake the death, oh we do. 0:59:17.680 --> 0:59:20.480 There's just no way that that's a cheap thing, especially 0:59:20.480 --> 0:59:22.120 because it's like the city probably has to do it. 0:59:22.200 --> 0:59:23.880 You know, they're overcharging for everything. 0:59:24.120 --> 0:59:27.480 They got to dig it up, they gotta jack open 0:59:27.520 --> 0:59:30.000 that coffin, they probably have to replace it. Then later 0:59:30.360 --> 0:59:32.440 they've got to bring them to the medical examiner. Then 0:59:32.480 --> 0:59:35.240 it's the medical examiner's time of re examining this body, 0:59:35.240 --> 0:59:38.520 which probably involves all this technology to like rehydrate skin 0:59:38.600 --> 0:59:41.280 and shit like that. I bet it's a very expensive question. 0:59:41.560 --> 0:59:44.960 And we have we have listeners who work in morgues 0:59:45.000 --> 0:59:48.960 and stuff. So if anybody knows the general ballpark of 0:59:48.960 --> 0:59:52.560 an exhamation, let us know. I'm not checking ai. Okay, 0:59:52.680 --> 0:59:54.440 And who do you have to petition to? 0:59:55.320 --> 0:59:57.560 I want to know who's This is something that we 0:59:57.600 --> 0:59:59.600 could ask doctor Michael Batten maybe one day. 0:59:59.760 --> 1:00:02.360 Yeah, what's the excavation petition board? 1:00:02.440 --> 1:00:02.680 Yeah? 1:00:02.720 --> 1:00:06.040 What's that? Yeah? I don't know. I don't know because 1:00:06.080 --> 1:00:08.040 I don't know why judge just grants it. 1:00:09.000 --> 1:00:11.000 Yeah, but like based on what and then they have 1:00:11.040 --> 1:00:14.800 to pay for like based on what I want it. 1:00:14.880 --> 1:00:16.680 I want to know do you need evidence for it? 1:00:16.760 --> 1:00:18.040 Or if I'm the kid, I could be like, I 1:00:18.040 --> 1:00:18.960 want my mom dug up. 1:00:19.240 --> 1:00:21.920 I think if there's enough circumstantial Yeah, if there's new 1:00:21.960 --> 1:00:23.960 evidence in a case too, and you need to test DNA, 1:00:24.720 --> 1:00:27.760 they'll ex they'll e zoom someone. Well, this is what 1:00:27.880 --> 1:00:31.600 happens because okay, so now they explain that Matt got 1:00:31.600 --> 1:00:35.040 all the attention. This this gal is killing old ladies 1:00:35.040 --> 1:00:37.160 to get back at her mother for not loving her enough. 1:00:37.440 --> 1:00:39.840 She set her brother up, she used his climbing rope, 1:00:39.920 --> 1:00:42.520 and we think that the mom was Emma's first victim. 1:00:43.000 --> 1:00:46.000 And Emma's not gonna let us dig up her mother 1:00:46.400 --> 1:00:49.120 and she's the only like living kin. So do you 1:00:49.160 --> 1:00:53.080 know any friendly judges? Cut to knock, knock, knock on 1:00:53.160 --> 1:00:57.360 a door. He opens it, but Vincenzo from It takes two. 1:00:57.480 --> 1:01:01.800 It's Judge Joseph Turhun played by Philip Bosco, and he 1:01:01.840 --> 1:01:03.919 sees Novak standing there and he's like, what the hell 1:01:03.960 --> 1:01:06.280 do you want? And he's like, I'm in the middle 1:01:06.320 --> 1:01:09.240 of something pretty important and he lets her come in 1:01:09.320 --> 1:01:10.640 and we see it's kind of one of the best 1:01:10.640 --> 1:01:14.120 scenes we've ever seen. It's basically it's basically that famous 1:01:14.120 --> 1:01:18.200 poster of dogs playing poker, only it's all the iconic 1:01:18.320 --> 1:01:20.439 judges from SVU that play poker together. 1:01:20.480 --> 1:01:23.400 Well, and what he's got thing with judges and poker, 1:01:23.480 --> 1:01:25.480 because this is a big part of the movie Rounders 1:01:25.520 --> 1:01:28.560 as well. And I'm assuming this happens a few other 1:01:28.640 --> 1:01:31.360 times or it's just these two and they're that important 1:01:31.400 --> 1:01:35.800 to me. But the movie Rounders, there's judges playing poker 1:01:35.800 --> 1:01:37.600 and like he's the pot, you know, he like impresses 1:01:37.640 --> 1:01:39.240 them and tries to get an internship. 1:01:39.320 --> 1:01:42.120 You know, I guess it makes sense. It's like old 1:01:42.200 --> 1:01:43.240 men with money. 1:01:43.280 --> 1:01:44.920 I don't know, but I mean, you know what, our 1:01:44.960 --> 1:01:48.760 girl Lena Petrovski's there too. It's Judge Ridden or Ridden Hoer. 1:01:48.880 --> 1:01:51.840 It's Judge Bradley and Judge Wiler. So it's a lot 1:01:51.880 --> 1:01:53.960 of fun judges and they're all looking at their cards. 1:01:54.320 --> 1:01:57.320 Casey greets them all and goes, I've had this nightmare before, 1:01:57.440 --> 1:02:00.680 only I was naked and Petrovski barely up and goes 1:02:00.880 --> 1:02:03.240 charming like she's so good, and. 1:02:03.160 --> 1:02:06.640 Then I don't I'm not team Novak here. I'm like 1:02:06.720 --> 1:02:08.720 that was weird, but I guess yeah. 1:02:08.720 --> 1:02:11.080 I think she's trying to make a joke because she's like, so, 1:02:12.080 --> 1:02:13.920 she's so nervous, like she's in front of all these 1:02:14.000 --> 1:02:17.600 judges that whatever. And then cause it's like you're already 1:02:17.640 --> 1:02:19.240 asking for a bit of a stretch and then you're 1:02:19.240 --> 1:02:21.240 going to ask it in front of all these judges. 1:02:21.720 --> 1:02:25.040 So she explains what she's there for, and he goes, 1:02:25.160 --> 1:02:27.560 you want me to disrupt the sanctity of the dead 1:02:27.600 --> 1:02:28.400 on yours say so? 1:02:28.960 --> 1:02:30.720 And she goes, well, I've. 1:02:30.520 --> 1:02:33.400 Got a convincing but long argument that will disrupt the 1:02:33.400 --> 1:02:36.720 sanctity of your poker game, and so literally, just to 1:02:36.760 --> 1:02:38.959 not interrupt this poker game, he signs it and tells 1:02:38.960 --> 1:02:40.720 her to get the fuck out of there. I mean 1:02:41.320 --> 1:02:43.760 that's what happens. Like she kind of knew when to go, 1:02:44.080 --> 1:02:46.400 so she's smart. I don't know if her argument would 1:02:46.440 --> 1:02:48.080 have actually convinced him if she had gone to him 1:02:48.080 --> 1:02:50.600 at like, you know, the lunch hour in his chambers. 1:02:51.120 --> 1:02:53.520 But now we're at the graveyard with Melinda and she's 1:02:53.560 --> 1:02:56.600 explaining that. They're like, what do you think the condition 1:02:56.640 --> 1:02:58.280 will be? Like this body's been in the ground for 1:02:58.280 --> 1:03:00.880 seven years, and she's like, well, new York State requires 1:03:00.880 --> 1:03:03.960 cadavers be embalmed, so the skin should be intact in 1:03:04.040 --> 1:03:06.720 order to find this like pinprick that's seven years old. 1:03:07.360 --> 1:03:09.840 Although I saw something in the wiki that says that 1:03:09.840 --> 1:03:12.680 New York State actually does not require cadavers to be embalmed, 1:03:12.720 --> 1:03:15.640 so that's a inconsistency, but I don't I didn't dig 1:03:15.680 --> 1:03:17.200 into it deep. 1:03:18.360 --> 1:03:20.680 Yeah, So Benson and Stabler. 1:03:22.240 --> 1:03:26.160 Benson and Stabler start checking out the found the stone. 1:03:25.880 --> 1:03:28.160 You've found the embalming Hole plot. 1:03:29.400 --> 1:03:31.640 It just happened to be the wiki, which I use 1:03:31.720 --> 1:03:33.680 for a lot of my like casting, just to check 1:03:33.720 --> 1:03:36.400 who's no of course you or like, So. 1:03:37.600 --> 1:03:39.760 It just happened to be down there. So uh. 1:03:39.880 --> 1:03:43.560 At the graveyard now they're checking out the family headstone, 1:03:44.080 --> 1:03:48.920 and I've never really seen I guess something like this 1:03:49.040 --> 1:03:52.840 where all the names are on the same stone, like 1:03:52.920 --> 1:03:56.760 the fucking Weird Day. It's weird, like it has Emma 1:03:56.840 --> 1:03:59.840 and Matt's names on them, even though Emma's not dead. 1:04:00.520 --> 1:04:04.360 And they start they are talking about and then they 1:04:04.400 --> 1:04:06.840 notice that their birthdays are the same. So not only 1:04:06.880 --> 1:04:09.400 are Emma and Matt brother and sister, they're twins. 1:04:10.200 --> 1:04:13.240 So so they made it seem like Dun dun, Dawn twins. 1:04:13.280 --> 1:04:14.880 But it's like, is it weird if you don't go 1:04:14.920 --> 1:04:16.560 we're twins and you just say we're siblings. 1:04:16.760 --> 1:04:19.560 I don't know what are the rules. It's not weird. 1:04:19.880 --> 1:04:23.120 I just I think it makes the I don't know, 1:04:23.160 --> 1:04:26.320 it's a little bit weird to me that the mother 1:04:26.520 --> 1:04:29.760 has this heavy preference for these children that are would 1:04:29.840 --> 1:04:32.960 one is the same age, like I mean, because like 1:04:33.000 --> 1:04:35.440 sometimes it's like, oh my older one is easier. I 1:04:35.480 --> 1:04:37.160 can dance with my older one, and they owe like 1:04:37.160 --> 1:04:39.720 my that's my first kid. Some people act like that 1:04:40.600 --> 1:04:45.560 or like whatever. But no, because I think it's girls. 1:04:45.760 --> 1:04:47.760 I think it's like, oh my boy, no one loves 1:04:47.800 --> 1:04:50.120 you like a son. And then it's like, I don't know, 1:04:50.200 --> 1:04:50.920 it's just different. 1:04:50.960 --> 1:04:53.040 Like you know, we've watched those videos online where it's 1:04:53.040 --> 1:04:55.560 like I already am nervous she's gonna want my clothes, 1:04:55.680 --> 1:04:58.360 or like I just I just think it sucks with 1:04:58.400 --> 1:05:01.000 a girl. You know, it's like internalized misogyny, is what 1:05:01.080 --> 1:05:04.600 I what my gut reaction was when she was talking 1:05:04.600 --> 1:05:05.680 about their relationship. 1:05:06.120 --> 1:05:09.360 Yeah, and definitely I thought that too, because it was 1:05:09.440 --> 1:05:12.960 just so was not even attempting to look at her 1:05:13.040 --> 1:05:16.600 daughter in this in these home videos. But I think 1:05:16.640 --> 1:05:19.520 that the twin thing is really like it's just symbolic 1:05:19.640 --> 1:05:21.960 in terms of the script, like they talk about how 1:05:22.600 --> 1:05:24.840 they go. She was born two minutes after Matt, but 1:05:24.880 --> 1:05:28.240 she's been following in his shadow ever since, so he's 1:05:28.320 --> 1:05:30.400 like two minutes older than her, and like those two 1:05:30.400 --> 1:05:34.560 minutes made the whole difference because he's she's never been 1:05:34.600 --> 1:05:37.320 able to live up to, like him being like the 1:05:37.320 --> 1:05:40.120 golden child, which is on the parents right, not on her, 1:05:40.840 --> 1:05:44.560 And Huang says that's why she used the rope. She 1:05:44.720 --> 1:05:47.320 hates her brother, but she's bound to him. And Craig 1:05:47.560 --> 1:05:50.240 is like, yeah, yeah, yeah, this is fascinating, but it 1:05:50.240 --> 1:05:52.280 doesn't help us get Emma. Like he does not care 1:05:52.320 --> 1:05:55.320 about like all of Huang's like symbolism. He's like, I 1:05:55.320 --> 1:05:56.760 don't give a shit, Like how are we gonna get 1:05:56.760 --> 1:06:00.840 how we're gonna nail this chick? So Melinda as usual, 1:06:01.080 --> 1:06:04.360 goes well this will help and appears out of nowhere 1:06:04.360 --> 1:06:06.959 with a file folder to save the day. She's got 1:06:07.000 --> 1:06:10.240 pictures of the mom's mamma fied neck and you guessed it. 1:06:10.320 --> 1:06:13.960 The puncture wound is there, so Stabler's gotta try to 1:06:14.040 --> 1:06:18.520 work Emma, and you gotta be careful because she spent 1:06:18.560 --> 1:06:21.440 her whole life hating her mother. Like, if you confront 1:06:21.440 --> 1:06:24.280 her about this, she probably won't talk. She needs an ally. 1:06:24.400 --> 1:06:28.440 You need to reenact the sibling rivalry, Whong suggests. So, 1:06:28.440 --> 1:06:31.240 so now they bring Emma into the precinct and Benson 1:06:31.360 --> 1:06:34.959 is laying on the good cop like so thick, like, hey, 1:06:35.000 --> 1:06:37.680 we just wanted to bring you into apologize to you, 1:06:37.840 --> 1:06:40.440 like we searched Matt's apartment and we found the rope. 1:06:40.440 --> 1:06:41.480 It matches the women. 1:06:42.040 --> 1:06:45.439 And Emma's like about to leave when she's like okay, 1:06:45.440 --> 1:06:47.560 so I can go. Now when Stabler opens the door, 1:06:47.640 --> 1:06:51.160 goes you you come here like talking to Benson, and 1:06:51.320 --> 1:06:53.760 you know, obviously we know this is role play. He's 1:06:53.880 --> 1:06:55.400 he can be a dick, but he never talks to 1:06:55.400 --> 1:06:57.240 her like this. Master. 1:06:57.800 --> 1:06:58.080 Yeah. 1:06:58.200 --> 1:07:03.760 Yeah, it's fully like just cop acting at its finest. 1:07:04.320 --> 1:07:07.760 And so he uh opens the door. 1:07:08.040 --> 1:07:10.560 He brings Benson out into the doorway, but leaves the 1:07:10.560 --> 1:07:13.360 door open so she can hear everything. And he's being 1:07:13.400 --> 1:07:16.640 so condescending to her. So they're amping up this big 1:07:16.680 --> 1:07:20.840 performance and finally Stabler like says to Emma, like, you know, 1:07:21.200 --> 1:07:22.920 you knew your brother was in debt and using the 1:07:22.920 --> 1:07:25.200 foundation to cover himself, and you didn't do anything. And 1:07:25.240 --> 1:07:28.200 Emma's like, no, I loved my brother. And Stabler's just 1:07:28.240 --> 1:07:30.280 being such a dick. He's telling Olivia to shut up. 1:07:30.320 --> 1:07:33.480 He's saying women shouldn't be cops. They're too weak and stupid, 1:07:33.800 --> 1:07:37.400 and then he storms off and Olivia comes in in tears, 1:07:37.440 --> 1:07:40.160 I mean, like she's got her eyes are welled up. 1:07:40.440 --> 1:07:43.240 And Emma's like, does he always talk to you like that? 1:07:43.720 --> 1:07:47.800 And Benson's like you heard him. He's in charge, like 1:07:47.880 --> 1:07:49.760 you know how it is, and she's like holding back 1:07:49.840 --> 1:07:52.880 these tears and like Emma's like, I get it. I 1:07:52.920 --> 1:07:55.360 was always the good girl, the helper. Emma, do this, 1:07:55.480 --> 1:07:58.360 Emma do that. And Olivia's like, my mother was a drunk. 1:07:58.400 --> 1:08:00.320 I had to carry her to bed, wash them vomit 1:08:00.360 --> 1:08:02.560 off of her. I thought I would never escape, and 1:08:03.320 --> 1:08:06.720 Emma's like, but you did. And Benson goes and after 1:08:06.760 --> 1:08:08.880 she died, that was the only time I ever felt free. 1:08:08.920 --> 1:08:11.440 And I wonder if any of this is like true 1:08:11.480 --> 1:08:13.000 and mothers are all the same. 1:08:13.040 --> 1:08:15.040 Emma says, you try to be good to them, and 1:08:15.080 --> 1:08:17.719 all they do is treat you like dirt. She had cancer. 1:08:17.800 --> 1:08:19.800 I took care of her for five years while Matt 1:08:19.840 --> 1:08:22.800 was in medical school and doing his residency. Mama used 1:08:22.840 --> 1:08:26.599 all her money to pay for his schooling. And they're like, oh, 1:08:26.640 --> 1:08:28.559 and he probably just like took you for granted and 1:08:28.600 --> 1:08:31.080 didn't appreciate it. And she goes, he made me work 1:08:31.120 --> 1:08:33.040 for him. He made me take care of all those 1:08:33.080 --> 1:08:36.160 women that were just like Mama, wash my clothes, walk 1:08:36.240 --> 1:08:37.919 my dog, clean my fridge. 1:08:37.960 --> 1:08:38.559 I'm like, is that. 1:08:39.000 --> 1:08:41.639 I guess that's part of the home care health thing. 1:08:42.720 --> 1:08:45.479 And so she goes, they all thought my brother was 1:08:45.479 --> 1:08:47.479 a god. But I took care of them. I did 1:08:47.520 --> 1:08:49.519 all the work. And they're like, you had to do 1:08:49.560 --> 1:08:51.960 something with Matt's rope, and she goes, yeah, then I 1:08:52.080 --> 1:08:54.479 was free. And they go just like with your mother, 1:08:54.600 --> 1:08:56.800 And she goes yes, and they go, how did you 1:08:56.840 --> 1:08:57.160 do it? 1:08:57.320 --> 1:08:59.439 She goes, with a little shot of air. It always 1:08:59.479 --> 1:09:00.000 worked so cool. 1:09:00.360 --> 1:09:02.320 When I was in nursing school, I would see daughters 1:09:02.520 --> 1:09:06.640 by their mother's beds, trapped, watching their lives disappear. So 1:09:06.720 --> 1:09:09.280 you help them, Yes, I set them free? They go, 1:09:09.400 --> 1:09:11.880 how many of them? And she goes dozens and she goes, 1:09:11.880 --> 1:09:14.320 do you remember any of their names? And she goes 1:09:14.439 --> 1:09:17.439 they were all called Mama, And she has like tears 1:09:17.560 --> 1:09:21.519 streaming down her face silently like like while she's doing this, 1:09:21.720 --> 1:09:25.080 like she does a great job. Jane Krakowski and that's 1:09:25.200 --> 1:09:27.800 dick wolf baby, So. 1:09:28.400 --> 1:09:30.960 That's like a great episode. It is. 1:09:32.040 --> 1:09:37.320 Let me just clarify something. So she's air embolisming everybody, 1:09:38.760 --> 1:09:43.600 and then you think that she ratchets it up and 1:09:43.720 --> 1:09:49.080 decides to start strangling them to frame her brother. Yeah right, 1:09:49.600 --> 1:09:53.360 it's just interesting to change ems kind of, but yeah, 1:09:53.400 --> 1:09:54.040 it's a frame her. 1:09:54.240 --> 1:09:56.960 She might have continued still air embolising. We don't know 1:09:57.000 --> 1:09:58.320 how mny yeople. She's murdered. 1:09:58.560 --> 1:10:03.439 Yeah, that's true. That's true. She's a murder Yeah, she 1:10:03.520 --> 1:10:05.479 must have Like damn, she must have done a lot 1:10:05.479 --> 1:10:07.120 of research. I had to know Vivian owned a gun. 1:10:07.200 --> 1:10:08.880 She must have like really planned out a lot of 1:10:08.880 --> 1:10:12.720 stuff and like that this woman would be like at 1:10:12.760 --> 1:10:14.880 her house working out at six am and she could 1:10:14.880 --> 1:10:16.679 just kill her, like I don't know, it's pretty. 1:10:16.960 --> 1:10:19.800 It's kind get free, get away from your brother, like 1:10:19.840 --> 1:10:26.320 what's up. Yeah, let's go to another state. All right, 1:10:26.360 --> 1:10:28.680 but I'll move it along. I'll move I can't wait 1:10:28.720 --> 1:10:30.080 to hear what you got for us. 1:10:37.160 --> 1:10:40.640 Okay, So this is about Dorothea Puente and it's the 1:10:40.720 --> 1:10:45.600 Death House Landlady, which and it doesn't fully connect, but 1:10:45.880 --> 1:10:48.640 there are elements and then it's just interesting. 1:10:48.840 --> 1:10:52.479 So I will also say that there's another case that 1:10:52.560 --> 1:10:55.680 this people think this one is based on. But the 1:10:55.720 --> 1:10:57.760 woman that they caught did they didn't catch her till 1:10:57.760 --> 1:11:01.080 two years after this episode. WHOA The case was unsolved 1:11:01.080 --> 1:11:03.200 when this episode was on, but it could still be 1:11:04.120 --> 1:11:06.559 based on things that are Yeah, but they didn't know 1:11:06.640 --> 1:11:09.000 that this woman was killing people because she had hatred 1:11:09.040 --> 1:11:10.360 for her mother. Like I don't think they could have 1:11:10.400 --> 1:11:11.599 known that until they found her. 1:11:12.439 --> 1:11:14.640 Oh wait, like they didn't even know to how to 1:11:14.640 --> 1:11:15.799 connect them or whatnot. 1:11:15.880 --> 1:11:18.439 It's not I don't think that they Gilgo. It wasn't 1:11:18.439 --> 1:11:21.000 like she was a fugitive. Yeah, or is it like 1:11:21.040 --> 1:11:23.639 the Gilg Beach. I think it was a Gilgo Beach. 1:11:23.640 --> 1:11:25.960 They didn't know who did it and then they finally 1:11:26.000 --> 1:11:28.320 linked it together like in two thousand and six, I 1:11:28.360 --> 1:11:32.480 think to this woman in this other case. But yeah, 1:11:32.520 --> 1:11:34.160 but I'm excited to hear about Dorothea. 1:11:34.439 --> 1:11:35.320 Wait what was though? 1:11:35.840 --> 1:11:39.040 Her name was Juana Barassa, a Mexican convicted serial killer 1:11:39.040 --> 1:11:43.759 and former professional wrestler known as La Mata Javietas, which 1:11:43.800 --> 1:11:47.559 is the old lady killer in Spanish. And she killed 1:11:47.680 --> 1:11:50.400 sixteen elderly women and was sentenced to seven hundred and 1:11:50.400 --> 1:11:55.080 fifty eight nine years in prison, but was not apprehended 1:11:55.160 --> 1:11:57.560 until two thousand and six, and this episode came out No. 1:11:57.680 --> 1:12:01.639 Four. I just think that's kind of crazy too. 1:12:01.920 --> 1:12:04.800 Well, it's actually not that crazy because, as we always 1:12:04.800 --> 1:12:07.400 talk about the same vulnerable communities get hit time and 1:12:07.439 --> 1:12:11.839 time again. Yeah, so, and this is an easy place 1:12:12.920 --> 1:12:16.320 for killers to go. Okay, so, but this is this 1:12:16.360 --> 1:12:20.519 one's actually kind of different. So November eleventh, nineteen eighty eight, 1:12:20.560 --> 1:12:23.080 police were looking for a fifty one year old missing 1:12:23.120 --> 1:12:26.559 man named Bert Montoya, and they knew he was living 1:12:26.600 --> 1:12:30.920 at this boarding house in Sacramento, California. Once they got there, 1:12:31.000 --> 1:12:34.000 the detectives got some info that made them start digging up. 1:12:33.960 --> 1:12:35.000 The area in the yard. 1:12:35.960 --> 1:12:39.280 Like some neighbors, we'll get to like the exact stuff 1:12:39.280 --> 1:12:42.000 where like something's up there. Yeah, And over the next 1:12:42.040 --> 1:12:44.479 three days they started finding bones and bodies and seven 1:12:44.479 --> 1:12:47.880 bodies were discovered, and the number one suspect, of course, 1:12:48.080 --> 1:12:51.200 is the landlady. We have Dorothea. She was fifty nine 1:12:51.280 --> 1:12:54.519 years old. And about her, so this is the about 1:12:54.560 --> 1:12:59.000 me section. So she was born nineteen twenty nine January 1:13:00.120 --> 1:13:02.559 in an order and like spent time in an orphanage, 1:13:02.640 --> 1:13:04.560 did in form attachments with caregivers. 1:13:05.000 --> 1:13:07.799 A life of like violence and abuse was pretty normal 1:13:07.840 --> 1:13:08.120 for her. 1:13:08.400 --> 1:13:10.960 Yeah, and by the nineteen sixties she'd already been married 1:13:11.000 --> 1:13:14.439 three times and served some time behind bars for forging checks. 1:13:14.520 --> 1:13:17.240 You know, everything was about survival, and when she got 1:13:17.280 --> 1:13:20.439 out of jail, she started sex work to survive. And 1:13:20.560 --> 1:13:25.439 then she found the world of caregiving. So you need 1:13:25.479 --> 1:13:28.720 little qualifications, so the world opened up to her in 1:13:28.760 --> 1:13:29.240 her mind. 1:13:30.520 --> 1:13:32.040 So yeah, caregiving. 1:13:33.000 --> 1:13:37.280 Nineteen eighty one, she started renting a apartment in downtown 1:13:37.320 --> 1:13:40.000 Sacramento and became the caregiver of all these other tenants 1:13:40.040 --> 1:13:43.559 in this Victorian boarding house. She met sixty one year 1:13:43.600 --> 1:13:46.280 old Ruth Monroe. And you know, she was living there 1:13:46.520 --> 1:13:49.040 after her husband died. She didn't want to live alone. 1:13:49.600 --> 1:13:52.080 She was gone two weeks after she moved in. Her 1:13:52.080 --> 1:13:54.400 son says he came to see her every day. And 1:13:54.479 --> 1:13:57.200 the last three days she was super sick, and she 1:13:57.200 --> 1:13:59.200 had a drink in her hand and she didn't drink. 1:13:59.240 --> 1:14:01.639 So he's like, well, what up with that, and she goes, oh, 1:14:01.680 --> 1:14:04.240 it's a drink Dorothea fixed for me. It's to calm 1:14:04.240 --> 1:14:06.600 my nerves. He didn't think anything of it. You know, 1:14:06.640 --> 1:14:10.480 everyone was friends. They were friends, so, you know, nothing suspicious. 1:14:11.080 --> 1:14:13.520 The next day he came back, she was like catatonic. 1:14:14.080 --> 1:14:15.880 He sat next to her and said, you'll be okay, 1:14:16.000 --> 1:14:18.200 but she just laid there. And then the next morning 1:14:18.280 --> 1:14:21.160 she was dead. And then Dorothea was like, oh, yeah, 1:14:21.160 --> 1:14:23.840 she took her own life, but no one. 1:14:23.760 --> 1:14:24.840 Really fully believed that. 1:14:25.560 --> 1:14:28.120 But then in August nineteen eighty two, she was back 1:14:28.160 --> 1:14:30.840 in trouble with the law and she was abusing her 1:14:30.840 --> 1:14:33.920 position as being a caretaker of her tenants, obviously, and 1:14:34.000 --> 1:14:36.080 so she pled guilties to fraud because she was signing 1:14:36.080 --> 1:14:38.360 the backs of social Security checks and cashing them for 1:14:38.400 --> 1:14:41.479 her victims and like keeping the money, and so she 1:14:41.560 --> 1:14:44.679 was sent to a woman's prison. In nineteen eighty five, 1:14:44.760 --> 1:14:46.920 she was paroled and came right back to the home 1:14:47.439 --> 1:14:49.360 she was on parole, but that did not stop her, 1:14:49.400 --> 1:14:51.960 and she went right back to taking victims social Security 1:14:52.040 --> 1:14:54.400 checks and keeping the money. And she did that for 1:14:54.439 --> 1:14:58.960 three years, fully undetected. And they came and went until 1:14:58.960 --> 1:15:02.639 November nineteen eight, when a local social worker, Judy Moyes, 1:15:02.800 --> 1:15:06.559 filed a missing person's report for Bert Montoya. He suffered 1:15:06.560 --> 1:15:10.160 for mental disabilities and suffered from schizophrenia, and her house 1:15:10.280 --> 1:15:14.400 was his last known address. So the detective John Cabrera 1:15:14.640 --> 1:15:17.519 was looking into the case and you know, ran a 1:15:17.600 --> 1:15:20.479 check on this caretaker. And then on November eleventh of 1:15:20.479 --> 1:15:23.679 eighty eight, Cabrera, his partner Terry Brown, and a parole officer, 1:15:23.800 --> 1:15:27.320 Jim Wilson all decided to visit fourteen twenty six f 1:15:27.360 --> 1:15:31.840 Street and search for clues. He ran into Judy and 1:15:31.960 --> 1:15:37.080 Judy said you better bring some shovels, and Cabrera was 1:15:37.120 --> 1:15:39.519 like what, And She's like, listen, I've driven by this 1:15:39.560 --> 1:15:41.920 house in the past. I've seen mounds of dirt back there. 1:15:41.960 --> 1:15:45.960 It looks like a burial ground. So they got some shovels. 1:15:45.720 --> 1:15:46.840 And they, you know, they knock. 1:15:46.920 --> 1:15:49.880 She answers, she's dressed nicely and goes, oh, I was 1:15:49.920 --> 1:15:52.600 expecting you guys. And when they asked what, well, you know, 1:15:52.640 --> 1:15:53.000 what's up? 1:15:53.040 --> 1:15:53.799 What are you doing? 1:15:53.960 --> 1:15:56.479 And she goes, well, I am in violation of my parole. 1:15:56.960 --> 1:16:00.240 I'm not supposed to be running a boarding house. But 1:16:00.479 --> 1:16:02.320 you know, she did get away with it for three years, 1:16:02.439 --> 1:16:05.479 and it's because she seemed harmless, charming. 1:16:05.600 --> 1:16:07.000 She did the whole old lady thing. 1:16:07.400 --> 1:16:09.720 She would take her teeth out sometimes, and she told 1:16:09.760 --> 1:16:12.720 people she was ten to fifteen years older than she was. 1:16:13.720 --> 1:16:15.479 She wanted people to think she was just like a 1:16:15.560 --> 1:16:19.920 kind elderly lady, okay, And she was stealing from them. 1:16:20.080 --> 1:16:23.640 And then to keep them quiet, she murdered them. And 1:16:23.680 --> 1:16:27.880 she likes poisoning them with this drug alcohol combo. She 1:16:27.920 --> 1:16:30.599 would bring the victim then to this death room and 1:16:30.680 --> 1:16:32.720 leave them on the floor till she was ready to 1:16:32.720 --> 1:16:35.120 deal with it, and sometimes the bodies would lay there 1:16:35.160 --> 1:16:38.120 for two to four weeks. Now why this is important 1:16:38.200 --> 1:16:41.200 is because John Cabrera pulled back the carpet and he 1:16:41.720 --> 1:16:44.720 recognized the odor. It was disgusting, and he said it 1:16:44.800 --> 1:16:48.000 was the smell of putrefied body fluid that would seep 1:16:48.040 --> 1:16:51.720 through the wooden floor from the victims. So that's like 1:16:52.160 --> 1:16:55.000 that was a clue for him. And then on November twelfth, 1:16:55.080 --> 1:16:57.960 eighty eight. The next day, they're about to get into 1:16:58.000 --> 1:17:00.280 the yard and she's on the balcony watching them, and 1:17:00.360 --> 1:17:02.600 like she obviously knew what they were gonna find. He 1:17:02.680 --> 1:17:05.479 found a femur bone. She goes, oh my god, what 1:17:05.520 --> 1:17:08.679 do you think this is? I can't believe it. Oh 1:17:08.760 --> 1:17:12.400 my gosh. I mean lots of people have been here 1:17:12.400 --> 1:17:14.679 living here. I've been to prison for three years. 1:17:14.680 --> 1:17:15.240 Like fuck. 1:17:16.280 --> 1:17:18.559 She was like, if you find more bones, I didn't 1:17:18.600 --> 1:17:21.960 put them there. So then the deputy corner Laura Santos, 1:17:22.040 --> 1:17:24.479 and she's like a bad bitch. She was in charge 1:17:24.479 --> 1:17:28.400 of the excavation. And so anyways, Dorothy is not charged 1:17:28.439 --> 1:17:30.400 or anything, because like just because there's bodies there doesn't 1:17:30.479 --> 1:17:31.120 mean she did it. 1:17:31.160 --> 1:17:32.400 You know, like we need some stuff. 1:17:32.880 --> 1:17:35.160 And at one point she asks him I under arrest, 1:17:35.240 --> 1:17:37.840 and John's like, well that's strange. She goes, no, why 1:17:37.840 --> 1:17:39.960 do you ask? And she said, well, all this is 1:17:39.960 --> 1:17:42.000 making me nervous. Can I get a cup of coffee 1:17:42.040 --> 1:17:44.400 and meet my nephew at the hotel? And he agreed 1:17:44.840 --> 1:17:46.800 and they walked over to the hotel and he went 1:17:46.840 --> 1:17:49.960 back to dig and then they found a leg and 1:17:50.000 --> 1:17:52.280 then another body, and like just more bodies, and. 1:17:52.320 --> 1:17:54.600 The superior is like, where's Dorothea. 1:17:54.720 --> 1:17:59.559 Well, she called a cabin escaped, so she's so she 1:17:59.800 --> 1:18:03.840 was the lamb for five days and they ended up 1:18:03.880 --> 1:18:05.920 calling the FBI. I mean, I'm sure he got yelled at, 1:18:06.040 --> 1:18:08.040 right John like fuck bro, Like. 1:18:08.080 --> 1:18:10.360 Yeah, go go hang out with your brother at the hotel. 1:18:10.400 --> 1:18:13.679 We'll call you if you need you. So so dumb. 1:18:13.920 --> 1:18:16.040 So they called the FBI to try to find her. 1:18:16.240 --> 1:18:19.599 But they did continue digging and seven people were found 1:18:19.640 --> 1:18:22.160 in the yard. Some were just like a few feet 1:18:22.160 --> 1:18:25.160 from the sidewalk and there were no witnesses, so that's 1:18:25.200 --> 1:18:27.639 pretty wild. And then some of the heads and hands 1:18:27.680 --> 1:18:29.680 and feet were gone, so no one even knew who 1:18:29.720 --> 1:18:33.000 these people were. And most of them did not have teeth, 1:18:33.400 --> 1:18:34.800 and a lot of these people, i mean, it's this 1:18:34.880 --> 1:18:37.000 boarding house there are strange from their families. A lot 1:18:37.000 --> 1:18:39.479 of these people were homeless, so it's hard to identify them. 1:18:40.280 --> 1:18:45.799 But our girl, that our coroner, she identified every single one, okay, 1:18:46.360 --> 1:18:49.040 And then she also then had to find out how 1:18:49.120 --> 1:18:51.000 they all died, and they all had the same drug 1:18:51.000 --> 1:18:53.880 in their bodies, but none of them had prescriptions for 1:18:53.920 --> 1:18:57.280 this pill. And it's dal mean, but guests. Who was 1:18:57.360 --> 1:19:01.880 prescribed it Dorothea, So No. Seventeenth Dorotheo was found. She 1:19:01.960 --> 1:19:04.000 was actually spotted by a man in a bar in 1:19:04.200 --> 1:19:07.040 La and she she was He was drinking with her, 1:19:07.479 --> 1:19:09.439 and then he went home, watched the news and goes, 1:19:09.479 --> 1:19:11.400 oh my god, holy shit, I drink with that woman. 1:19:11.840 --> 1:19:14.439 So he calls the LAPD. They find her immediately, and 1:19:14.479 --> 1:19:16.320 I do like that. She likes to get down. So 1:19:16.560 --> 1:19:20.719 eventually she was charged with night murders. It is serious. 1:19:20.760 --> 1:19:24.000 People did die, but so at nine murders, Ruth Munroe's 1:19:24.040 --> 1:19:26.040 death was then added to the seven that were found 1:19:26.040 --> 1:19:29.120 in the yard. And then also a seventy seven year 1:19:29.160 --> 1:19:32.760 old man named Everson Gilmouth. He became penpals with her 1:19:32.800 --> 1:19:35.640 when she was in prison, and then when she was paroled, 1:19:36.080 --> 1:19:37.640 he went picked her up and brought her to the 1:19:37.680 --> 1:19:40.840 boarding house. And within months he disappeared, and he was 1:19:40.920 --> 1:19:43.640 laying in a homemade coffin along the Sacramento River in 1:19:43.840 --> 1:19:46.760 like eighty six, early eighty six. But he was a 1:19:46.840 --> 1:19:49.000 John Doe until the case broke and then his family 1:19:49.040 --> 1:19:50.880 reached out and they're like, you know, we're looking for 1:19:50.920 --> 1:19:54.400 her father. And then she remained on remand for four 1:19:54.479 --> 1:19:58.160 years waiting for this trial because she really wanted a 1:19:58.160 --> 1:20:01.040 trial outside of Sacramento for f fareness whatever, So they 1:20:01.080 --> 1:20:05.080 did hold it in Monterey County, which is nearby. February ninth, 1:20:05.240 --> 1:20:09.000 nineteen ninety three. The trial starts August twenty sixth, nineteen 1:20:09.080 --> 1:20:11.719 ninety three. After deliberating for twenty four days, the jury 1:20:11.720 --> 1:20:14.960 found her guilty of three murders, but deadlocked on all 1:20:15.000 --> 1:20:15.719 other charges. 1:20:16.840 --> 1:20:18.479 Listen, oh you're gonna die, okay. 1:20:18.520 --> 1:20:22.200 So Cabrera was pissed because of all nine charges of murder, 1:20:22.280 --> 1:20:24.960 like seven were so similar, there's no doubt, there's no 1:20:25.080 --> 1:20:26.920 doubt she should have been guilty for all of them. 1:20:27.280 --> 1:20:29.640 Why only three out of seven while four of the 1:20:29.640 --> 1:20:32.040 bodies went eleven to one and one juror said no, 1:20:32.120 --> 1:20:33.679 he didn't believe that what happened. 1:20:35.040 --> 1:20:37.120 What that's crazy? 1:20:37.479 --> 1:20:39.439 Yeah, So it was like a mistrial and other six 1:20:39.560 --> 1:20:42.479 charges and everything was annoying just because of one fucking idiot. 1:20:42.560 --> 1:20:44.160 I honestly want to punch him in the face. 1:20:44.560 --> 1:20:47.200 And the December tenth, nineteen ninety three, she was sentenced 1:20:47.200 --> 1:20:50.080 to life in prison without parole, and she was at 1:20:50.120 --> 1:20:53.679 the Central California Women's Facility. She did release a book 1:20:53.760 --> 1:20:57.559 called Cooking with a Serial Killer two thousand and four. Okay, 1:20:57.840 --> 1:20:59.960 she died in twenty eleven at the age of eighty two. 1:21:00.680 --> 1:21:03.559 There's obviously, like still questions because how did this lady 1:21:03.560 --> 1:21:04.360 move these bodies? 1:21:04.439 --> 1:21:07.639 Chop them up? Bury them? Like who helped her? Right? 1:21:07.720 --> 1:21:10.400 Like she she was lying and saying she was older. 1:21:10.400 --> 1:21:12.920 But it's like some of these dudes are giant, you 1:21:12.920 --> 1:21:15.679 know what I mean? Look at his body almost yeah, 1:21:15.760 --> 1:21:22.920 like and it's just chopping them up. Where are the heads? Like, yeah, yeah, 1:21:23.400 --> 1:21:26.519 pretty wild dorothea. 1:21:25.720 --> 1:21:26.759 Pretty wild stuff. 1:21:26.880 --> 1:21:29.439 So and I think I wonder if she wasn't old, 1:21:29.600 --> 1:21:31.760 if this story would have connected to this crime or not. 1:21:32.680 --> 1:21:37.439 Like it is different but also a thrill I guess 1:21:37.880 --> 1:21:39.840 and heard about it, and a lot of. 1:21:39.800 --> 1:21:45.120 It's like a little bit combo of what Krakowski's character 1:21:45.200 --> 1:21:48.719 was doing. But also that guy, the Richard Sutton character, 1:21:48.760 --> 1:21:52.920 because he's marrying no, he's stealing social security checks from 1:21:53.280 --> 1:21:54.360 these women, you know. 1:21:55.439 --> 1:21:58.720 Yeah, and you know a lot of the stuff I 1:21:58.760 --> 1:22:00.519 found was like the most evil woman, one of the 1:22:00.560 --> 1:22:03.800 most amil criminals that corize. They asked criminal and it's 1:22:03.840 --> 1:22:06.880 like or an average guy criminal, I guess, like you 1:22:06.920 --> 1:22:09.880 know what I mean. Yeah, but no, she's an evil 1:22:09.880 --> 1:22:12.720 person and basically, like a lot of I watched a 1:22:12.800 --> 1:22:15.400 doc thing about her and it was everyone just being like, 1:22:15.400 --> 1:22:16.880 so I heard, these people are means to an end. 1:22:16.880 --> 1:22:18.679 It's like she needed money. She could get the checks 1:22:18.680 --> 1:22:21.599 and that's that and that's all she really cared about. 1:22:22.600 --> 1:22:26.160 But the world of caregiving interesting to me. So this 1:22:26.320 --> 1:22:32.080 is the Charles Cullin case. So he basically administered lethal 1:22:32.200 --> 1:22:35.240 doses of medications to patients that were under his care. 1:22:36.320 --> 1:22:37.000 He was a nurse. 1:22:37.120 --> 1:22:40.439 He of course considered himself an angel of mercy, helping 1:22:40.479 --> 1:22:43.880 to end his patients suffering. And he did admit to 1:22:43.960 --> 1:22:47.160 killing up to forty patients in his sixteen year career 1:22:47.680 --> 1:22:53.559 with intentional drug overdoses. Okay, so his old navy bunkmate, Okay, 1:22:53.640 --> 1:22:55.440 not the store like he's. 1:22:56.200 --> 1:23:01.320 Former navy roommate. Yeah. 1:23:01.920 --> 1:23:06.240 So to The New York Times is quoted saying he 1:23:06.320 --> 1:23:10.120 called him socially inept and that was his whole life, 1:23:10.200 --> 1:23:12.560 and everyone was like solitude, solitude. 1:23:12.680 --> 1:23:14.240 No one liked him, never had a friend. 1:23:14.960 --> 1:23:17.600 Neighbors from childhood in West Orange, New Jersey, said he 1:23:17.680 --> 1:23:20.920 was the youngest of eight siblings. Quiet and awkward as fuck. 1:23:21.520 --> 1:23:23.559 His father died when he was an infant, and then 1:23:23.600 --> 1:23:25.880 his mother died his senior year of high school, and 1:23:25.880 --> 1:23:29.000 that's when he joined the Navy. He was just charged 1:23:29.000 --> 1:23:31.439 in nineteen eighty four after he did try to take 1:23:31.479 --> 1:23:35.080 his own life, so he had an inability to bond 1:23:35.080 --> 1:23:39.000 with others, a lot of disciplinary problems, odd behavior, and 1:23:39.080 --> 1:23:42.680 moving to new places for a constant fresh start. In 1:23:42.760 --> 1:23:46.280 eighty seven, he graduated nursing school and married Adrian Tobb, 1:23:46.439 --> 1:23:49.439 so he was on the dating scene and got his 1:23:49.479 --> 1:23:52.000 first nursing job at Saint Barnabas. 1:23:52.960 --> 1:23:54.519 There's no way that's the Why always say it? 1:23:55.760 --> 1:24:01.880 I think it's just Barnabas, sure the medical center. This 1:24:02.000 --> 1:24:04.679 is actually so serious, Okay. So in Livingston, New Jersey, 1:24:05.000 --> 1:24:07.200 a woman who worked the burn unit with him said 1:24:07.600 --> 1:24:11.400 he was quiet and stubbornly private, and over the next 1:24:11.400 --> 1:24:15.840 eleven years he had nine jobs. He chose jobs and 1:24:15.960 --> 1:24:18.240 drugs that would not draw much attention, and he was 1:24:18.280 --> 1:24:22.160 able to continue mostly due to systemic failures of like 1:24:22.200 --> 1:24:24.840 hospital and government systems that do a bad job weeding 1:24:24.880 --> 1:24:28.400 out people who aren't patients. And then like there were complaints, 1:24:28.439 --> 1:24:31.280 there were inquiries, things happened, but people in charge were 1:24:31.320 --> 1:24:35.160 neglectful and didn't look deep enough into any like previous allegations. 1:24:35.320 --> 1:24:35.519 Ever. 1:24:35.600 --> 1:24:39.080 Ever, ever, employers never reported him to one another or 1:24:39.120 --> 1:24:41.880 an oversight agency or law enforcement because they were not 1:24:41.960 --> 1:24:46.920 required to. So these like harm freaks they do. They 1:24:46.920 --> 1:24:49.519 work nights, they work shifts. People don't want you know, 1:24:49.640 --> 1:24:53.280 it's like quiet, and the hospitals have shortages, and so 1:24:53.360 --> 1:24:55.240 these people come and work at night, and they work 1:24:55.280 --> 1:24:59.280 in cardiac and intensive care units where death was often expected. 1:25:00.320 --> 1:25:04.080 You know, it's a lot of gravely ill and unconscious people. 1:25:04.800 --> 1:25:08.559 So then and then also there's a minimal human interaction 1:25:08.680 --> 1:25:12.639 with these jobs. Remember he's a weirdo, isolated, no one 1:25:12.760 --> 1:25:17.160 likes him, so so he gets to alone with these patients. 1:25:17.280 --> 1:25:22.040 There's no sounds, and it's again common for medical serial 1:25:22.120 --> 1:25:24.799 killers to work at night with the sickest of patients. 1:25:25.400 --> 1:25:28.559 And eventually he became even more isolated because Adrian divorced 1:25:28.600 --> 1:25:31.600 him in nineteen ninety three, claiming that he refused to 1:25:31.640 --> 1:25:35.040 talk to her or sleep with her for years. She 1:25:35.120 --> 1:25:38.120 accused him of beating their Yorkshire terriers and zipping one 1:25:38.160 --> 1:25:40.479 of the dogs into a bowling ball bag, which to me, 1:25:40.520 --> 1:25:42.240 I think is kind of funny. And I don't know 1:25:42.280 --> 1:25:45.160 if that makes me a freak? Am I a killer? 1:25:46.880 --> 1:25:49.600 If it's a small little dog putting it in a bowling. 1:25:49.280 --> 1:25:53.040 Bag wall Yeah, I mean I don't think that's a 1:25:53.040 --> 1:25:56.960 big deal. But the dog did not debt. I mean, 1:25:57.000 --> 1:25:58.360 did he kill? Did he? Yeah? 1:25:58.400 --> 1:26:00.280 Compared to everything else that goes on, I mean, I'm 1:26:00.280 --> 1:26:02.000 glad he didn't put his kid in there. I'm just saying, 1:26:02.040 --> 1:26:05.800 like a Yorkshire Terrier is a four pound dog and 1:26:06.120 --> 1:26:08.120 don't kick it. But putting it in a bowling bag, 1:26:08.280 --> 1:26:11.800 ball bag, bowling ball bag is funny. 1:26:11.920 --> 1:26:13.280 It feels like it could have been way worse. 1:26:13.400 --> 1:26:13.639 Yeah. 1:26:14.360 --> 1:26:18.559 I just had like an old memory resurface of like 1:26:18.600 --> 1:26:20.479 a purse I used to love that looks kind of 1:26:20.479 --> 1:26:22.599 like a bullet and I was like trying to like 1:26:22.720 --> 1:26:24.639 place it in the time of my life. 1:26:24.680 --> 1:26:26.360 But it was like gorgeous. Fuck. 1:26:27.000 --> 1:26:29.719 So she accused, Okay, yeah, the bowling ball bag, ball 1:26:30.080 --> 1:26:30.840 bowling ball bag. 1:26:30.920 --> 1:26:32.679 Yeah, I got it. Oh God, Okay. So he lost 1:26:32.680 --> 1:26:33.679 custody of his two daughters. 1:26:33.720 --> 1:26:36.760 Obviously, he moved into a basement apartment and lived there 1:26:36.760 --> 1:26:40.680 for ten years, and then when his marriage collapsed more 1:26:40.800 --> 1:26:43.080 erratic behavior, and it's filled into his work life. He 1:26:43.240 --> 1:26:47.120 smashed a window of a coworker's home. He went into 1:26:47.160 --> 1:26:49.519 the home while her and her son slept, so he 1:26:49.640 --> 1:26:53.120 was booked on felony charges but released, And then he 1:26:53.160 --> 1:26:55.320 tried to take his own life again after the arrest 1:26:55.439 --> 1:26:58.120 and took two months off of work, got some psychiatric help, 1:26:58.160 --> 1:27:01.080 and on August tenth, nineteen ninety three, he pled guilty 1:27:01.120 --> 1:27:05.360 to misdemeanor trespassing and sentenced to a year's probation. Then 1:27:05.479 --> 1:27:07.320 for the first time, he's accused of murder. So that's 1:27:07.360 --> 1:27:09.200 August thirtieth, nineteen ninety three. 1:27:09.479 --> 1:27:11.559 Helen C. Dean is ninety one years old. 1:27:11.600 --> 1:27:15.439 She was recovering nicely from a breast cancer surgery, ready 1:27:15.439 --> 1:27:18.680 to be discharged. A male nurse not assigned to her 1:27:18.760 --> 1:27:21.800 room entered, told the son Larry, to leave, gave her 1:27:21.840 --> 1:27:26.040 an injection that no doctor ordered, and then when the 1:27:26.120 --> 1:27:29.040 son goes back in, she goes he stuck me, And 1:27:29.760 --> 1:27:30.719 then this. 1:27:30.640 --> 1:27:31.320 Is New York Times. 1:27:31.400 --> 1:27:33.559 And then Larry and Helen Dean complained to the doctors 1:27:33.560 --> 1:27:34.920 and nurses pointed him out. 1:27:35.040 --> 1:27:37.080 No one took action. She was released. 1:27:37.320 --> 1:27:40.040 She did look green, and then that afternoon, she suffered 1:27:40.080 --> 1:27:43.160 a heart failure and died. Larry Dean told the prosecutor's 1:27:43.200 --> 1:27:45.360 office that his mother had been murdered and knew who 1:27:45.439 --> 1:27:48.360 done it, and like, you know, the emmy confirmed there 1:27:48.400 --> 1:27:53.400 was an unprescribed injection that happened and it was degoxen 1:27:53.640 --> 1:28:01.519 degoxen degosin digoxin I think digoxin digoxin some digoxin, which 1:28:01.560 --> 1:28:04.400 is a common heart medication but can be fatal in 1:28:04.520 --> 1:28:08.680 large doses. Eventually, though, the case is dropped, but then 1:28:08.720 --> 1:28:12.880 a new prosecutor reopened the case and exhumed the body. 1:28:13.960 --> 1:28:20.400 Get her up, Wake up, wake up, wake up, the 1:28:20.479 --> 1:28:21.160 sun is up. 1:28:21.439 --> 1:28:25.200 Come on. I feel sick, but like, yeah, I guess 1:28:25.240 --> 1:28:27.080 if someone else heard us, be like I love when 1:28:27.080 --> 1:28:30.280 they ezuom a body like that is fucked, but it is, 1:28:30.280 --> 1:28:30.840 It's just real. 1:28:31.160 --> 1:28:33.880 Case is less but on the show when they do it, 1:28:33.880 --> 1:28:34.759 it's so dramatic. 1:28:34.880 --> 1:28:36.840 But this is fuck but yeah they so they a 1:28:36.920 --> 1:28:39.120 zoomed journal for and during this time though, he stayed 1:28:39.160 --> 1:28:42.960 working at Warren Hospital, so he harassed the colleague, showed 1:28:43.000 --> 1:28:43.759 up to her house. 1:28:44.200 --> 1:28:45.320 Why would you fire him? 1:28:45.360 --> 1:28:48.040 You know, murder accusations, but let him work, my god, 1:28:48.720 --> 1:28:51.880 and also just giving an injection that's not authorized would 1:28:51.880 --> 1:28:54.240 be something to be fired for, like what what. 1:28:54.160 --> 1:28:57.160 Are we talking about? And then so then they go, 1:28:57.439 --> 1:28:59.080 you know, like two suicide attempts. 1:28:59.160 --> 1:29:02.599 Not that people like shouldn't have full lives that survived, 1:29:02.680 --> 1:29:05.120 but like a site commitment, maybe they shouldn't be a 1:29:05.160 --> 1:29:07.280 I don't know, a site commitment outsid from a job, 1:29:07.360 --> 1:29:11.240 criminal conviction, allegation of murder. All right, So then he 1:29:11.320 --> 1:29:14.840 ended up leaving on his own December thirtieth, nineteen ninety three, 1:29:15.080 --> 1:29:17.760 right before New Year's He wanted to switch, so he 1:29:18.080 --> 1:29:20.200 wanted to leave his past in the past, and there 1:29:20.240 --> 1:29:22.439 was like so like, he just kept on moving places. 1:29:22.720 --> 1:29:26.040 In ninety seven, fired for Morristown Memorial for poor performance, 1:29:26.120 --> 1:29:29.519 and then he's just like spiraling behind on child support. 1:29:29.640 --> 1:29:33.200 He had a pet ferret, another attempt on his life, 1:29:33.240 --> 1:29:35.360 confrontations with doctors. 1:29:35.920 --> 1:29:37.559 And not again, no friends. 1:29:38.360 --> 1:29:42.800 They keep repeating it, and eventually he did file for bankruptcy. 1:29:43.120 --> 1:29:46.599 So then he went into the nursing home worlds. You know, 1:29:46.680 --> 1:29:51.040 these these predators find where to go. So Liberty Nursing 1:29:51.120 --> 1:29:54.240 hired him February tenth, nineteen ninety eight, and he seeks 1:29:54.280 --> 1:29:57.000 out the sickest patients and immediately went to the vent 1:29:57.360 --> 1:30:01.639 unit where and that's lingo for ventilating. So May eighth, 1:30:01.800 --> 1:30:05.200 nineteen ninety eight, Francis J. Henry rushed in an ambulance 1:30:05.200 --> 1:30:08.799 to the hospital. And then Liberty Nursing and Rehabilitation Center 1:30:09.280 --> 1:30:11.760 is getting calls and people are like, excuse me, who 1:30:11.760 --> 1:30:12.479 gave a insulin? 1:30:12.520 --> 1:30:13.439 Who gave him insulin? 1:30:13.960 --> 1:30:16.920 They fired a different fucking nurse who said, it's this guy. 1:30:17.320 --> 1:30:19.400 She goes it is not me. We both had so. 1:30:19.479 --> 1:30:22.640 Mister Henry died on May nineteenth, and they fired Kimberly Pepe, 1:30:22.800 --> 1:30:25.639 who said Colin had equal access to her patient because 1:30:25.640 --> 1:30:28.080 he was taking care of the roommate and she gave 1:30:28.160 --> 1:30:28.960 him all this info. 1:30:29.080 --> 1:30:31.080 They let her go. They let her go. She sued. 1:30:31.120 --> 1:30:33.600 There was a settlement, and eventually Liberty couldn't deny that 1:30:33.680 --> 1:30:36.639 Colin was, as The Times writes, a menace. 1:30:37.439 --> 1:30:44.320 Yes, yeah, so Kara, this is just the beginning. So, 1:30:44.600 --> 1:30:45.400 oh my god. 1:30:45.640 --> 1:30:48.080 October nineteen ninety eight, two other nurses saw him enter 1:30:48.120 --> 1:30:50.240 a woman's room he was not assigned to, with syringes 1:30:50.240 --> 1:30:53.200 in hand. They don't know what happened if the injections 1:30:53.200 --> 1:30:56.040 were given, but the patient ended up with a broken arm. 1:30:56.680 --> 1:30:59.560 Liberty finally fired him, but did not report him to 1:30:59.600 --> 1:31:01.920 state or the Stateboard is of Nursings. 1:31:02.520 --> 1:31:04.880 I added, says it's just the State Board of Nursing. 1:31:05.439 --> 1:31:08.200 So then two hospitals called Liberty for references on him. 1:31:08.400 --> 1:31:11.479 They did not pass along any concerns about him. He 1:31:11.600 --> 1:31:15.840 got a job within a week at in Eastern Pennsylvania 1:31:15.920 --> 1:31:16.759 Eastern Hospital. 1:31:16.800 --> 1:31:17.719 Okay, right away. 1:31:18.200 --> 1:31:21.400 And then right away a man named Ottomar Shram crashed 1:31:21.520 --> 1:31:26.200 and died and was given degoxin, which is off limits 1:31:26.280 --> 1:31:27.640 because he is a pacemaker. 1:31:28.400 --> 1:31:31.080 This guy doesn't even wait, he doesn't even settle in 1:31:31.320 --> 1:31:36.400 why I'm a job a week, can't can't even help himself. 1:31:36.880 --> 1:31:40.439 So then mister Cullen advised the daughter, Christina Toff, like, 1:31:40.479 --> 1:31:42.479 oh girl, you don't need to do an autopsy, like 1:31:42.840 --> 1:31:45.519 shit happens. And then years later when everything came out, 1:31:45.520 --> 1:31:47.120 she's like, holy shit, that's the guy who told me 1:31:47.160 --> 1:31:49.680 not to do a fucking autopsy on my dad, you know. 1:31:49.720 --> 1:31:51.559 And that's the end of the New York Times. 1:31:51.600 --> 1:31:56.000 So then Northampton County Coroner investigated all this for eight months, 1:31:56.000 --> 1:31:58.680 never thought it was accidental, like they knew there was 1:31:58.720 --> 1:32:01.439 a crime, but I ever asked the DA's office to 1:32:01.439 --> 1:32:05.599 open a criminal inquiry. So then three years later, Culin 1:32:05.680 --> 1:32:09.240 already at another hospital. And then so ly Sick is 1:32:09.280 --> 1:32:11.760 the coroner, and he gets a call that Cullin was 1:32:11.760 --> 1:32:15.800 involved with Shram's death. We don't know who. Someone contacted him, 1:32:15.800 --> 1:32:19.640 there's a tip. So he contacted the state police. No 1:32:19.680 --> 1:32:22.840 one connected to the Dots, nobody that like, or to 1:32:22.920 --> 1:32:25.799 the deaths and Liberty and the Warren. So then Lysick, 1:32:25.880 --> 1:32:28.360 the coroner, said, when he called Easton, they said Culin 1:32:28.479 --> 1:32:31.280 never even worked there. And the hospital says that was 1:32:31.320 --> 1:32:33.960 an accident and that like they weren't trying to mislead 1:32:34.000 --> 1:32:36.160 the coroner on purpose, that it was like truly an 1:32:36.280 --> 1:32:39.479 error because he came from like a medical agency they 1:32:39.479 --> 1:32:42.400 didn't hire whatever, or the hospital's fucking lying and covering 1:32:42.479 --> 1:32:45.280 their ass, we do not know. So then he moved 1:32:45.320 --> 1:32:48.599 on to Lehigh Valley Hospital March nineteen ninety nine and 1:32:48.680 --> 1:32:51.960 he went straight to the burn Ward. So then January 1:32:52.160 --> 1:32:54.639 tewod two thousand, he tries to take his own life 1:32:54.680 --> 1:32:59.960 again via carbon monoxide. And that's a midsommer shit. Okay, yeah, 1:33:00.560 --> 1:33:04.720 fucked shit. They found like everything plugged up batteries out 1:33:04.760 --> 1:33:08.080 of everything, just smoked smoke in his apartment. So he 1:33:08.160 --> 1:33:10.360 left the So he left that hospital on his own. 1:33:10.880 --> 1:33:14.000 April twenty eighth, two thousand and then the Times is 1:33:14.000 --> 1:33:17.519 amazing and they write he had gone through seven jobs, 1:33:17.680 --> 1:33:20.360 had been forced out of three, had survived at least 1:33:20.400 --> 1:33:24.240 three or four suicide attempts, had endured four psychiatric hospitalizations, 1:33:24.520 --> 1:33:27.519 had evaded three investigations into suspicious deaths. 1:33:28.000 --> 1:33:33.519 But finding work, though, remained easy. Oh my god. So 1:33:33.640 --> 1:33:35.200 now we're at Saint Luke's hospital. 1:33:35.320 --> 1:33:37.880 It's two thousand and two, and Saint Luke's definitely sounds 1:33:37.880 --> 1:33:42.479 like a soap opera. Cops arrive at because there's angry 1:33:42.520 --> 1:33:44.920 and worried nurses and they're like, listen, we have a 1:33:44.920 --> 1:33:48.680 former colleague who fucked with medications and we think he 1:33:48.720 --> 1:33:51.519 played a role in the deaths of patients. The hospital 1:33:51.520 --> 1:33:55.000 doesn't want to investigate. They let him quit quietly, but like, 1:33:55.040 --> 1:33:57.680 now he's working at another hospital. So the nurses gave 1:33:57.720 --> 1:34:00.200 over all this evidence and they're like, listen, there's all 1:34:00.200 --> 1:34:02.720 these meds that are being mishandled, and why would you 1:34:02.760 --> 1:34:05.080 take drugs that you can't get fucked up on or 1:34:05.240 --> 1:34:07.519 don't have a good resale value, like if they're not 1:34:07.560 --> 1:34:12.040 recreational or money making drugs, what is the mishandling about? Right, 1:34:12.280 --> 1:34:15.240 So more patients died when he was on duty. Finally 1:34:15.240 --> 1:34:17.240 a nurse called the state police and they brought in 1:34:17.320 --> 1:34:23.080 doctor Mehilachis forensic pathologists, and he handled Helen Dean's death 1:34:23.120 --> 1:34:26.960 at Warren Hospital years earlier, but found nothing whatever. So 1:34:27.000 --> 1:34:29.760 then the State Board of Nursing sent an investigators Saint 1:34:29.840 --> 1:34:32.800 Luke's and nothing. Moved along to Sacred Heart Hospital in 1:34:32.840 --> 1:34:36.400 Allentown and he okay, So then he left Saint Luke's, 1:34:36.880 --> 1:34:40.360 went to Sacred Hearts while all these investigations are happening. 1:34:41.280 --> 1:34:44.240 Worked at Sacred Hearts and was fired in sixteen days. 1:34:44.760 --> 1:34:47.760 No one liked him, so then he's hired a month 1:34:47.800 --> 1:34:52.519 later by Somerset Medical Center in Somerville, New Jersey. And 1:34:52.840 --> 1:34:57.160 that's what prosecutors called his deadliest work, his last job. 1:34:57.560 --> 1:34:58.240 Oh my god. 1:34:58.520 --> 1:35:01.600 Finally an arrest Jesus So June o three, it was 1:35:01.640 --> 1:35:06.280 clear he was up to something, you know, finally, so 1:35:06.320 --> 1:35:09.160 then hospital computers caught him right handed. 1:35:09.200 --> 1:35:09.840 So that's what happened. 1:35:09.840 --> 1:35:13.160 So June sixteenth, a cancer patient and critical care unit 1:35:13.200 --> 1:35:16.320 suffered a sudden, life threatening heart malfunction, and blood tests 1:35:16.360 --> 1:35:22.320 showed huge levels of degoxin. I can't degoxin, a drug 1:35:22.479 --> 1:35:25.599 not prescribed to her. She recovered but did die three 1:35:25.600 --> 1:35:27.560 months later. So then the computer. 1:35:29.520 --> 1:35:32.400 What the fuck? I know, it's like crazy, I'm only laughing. 1:35:32.479 --> 1:35:33.480 I'm so uncomfortable. 1:35:33.800 --> 1:35:36.720 So then the computer systems showed that during Colin's ship 1:35:36.800 --> 1:35:39.920 the previous night, he had called up medical files all 1:35:40.080 --> 1:35:43.720 the woman jin Kyong Han, even though she was not 1:35:43.880 --> 1:35:47.360 his patient. So then we also have a computerized drug 1:35:47.360 --> 1:35:50.320 dispending cabinet and dispending dispending whatever. 1:35:50.400 --> 1:35:51.479 That's a fucked up word. 1:35:51.680 --> 1:35:53.800 But I know about Yeah, I know it, But why 1:35:53.880 --> 1:35:55.559 is it spelled wrong because I typed. 1:35:55.320 --> 1:36:03.680 It like that. I don't care, like, but I know 1:36:03.720 --> 1:36:05.120 about this because of Nurse Jackie. 1:36:05.200 --> 1:36:08.840 So then the Pixis system is fucked Nurse Jackie's life up. 1:36:09.120 --> 1:36:09.320 I know. 1:36:09.439 --> 1:36:12.200 I think it's cabinet came into her life and fucked 1:36:12.200 --> 1:36:12.519 it up. 1:36:13.720 --> 1:36:16.200 It's kind of like when the Finding Nemo Fish came 1:36:16.240 --> 1:36:18.880 and like they had a new filter and their plan 1:36:19.040 --> 1:36:23.000 was gone, and they're like, yeah, which should I make 1:36:23.040 --> 1:36:25.080 a meme of Finding nme ow nurse SHACKI, meme, do 1:36:25.120 --> 1:36:27.479 you think references from eighteen years ago would hit? 1:36:28.479 --> 1:36:33.160 Ah? So okay. 1:36:33.200 --> 1:36:36.400 So the PIXIS system also showed that hours before hans 1:36:36.400 --> 1:36:40.559 heart malfunctioned, Cullen ordered a dose of degoxin for another 1:36:40.600 --> 1:36:42.880 I can't, I can't. I want to say it for 1:36:43.000 --> 1:36:46.679 another patient who's also not prescribed the drug. And even 1:36:46.760 --> 1:36:49.679 before that, there were a series of fucked medication errors. 1:36:50.120 --> 1:36:52.759 So two patients suffered life threatening drops and blood sugar 1:36:52.760 --> 1:36:55.160 that could only have been caused by insulin overdose. But 1:36:55.200 --> 1:36:59.360 the hospital did not reassign or suspend Colin Cullin and 1:36:59.439 --> 1:37:01.439 let him come and they let him continue to work 1:37:01.479 --> 1:37:02.320 in the critical carry unit. 1:37:03.240 --> 1:37:07.360 Is he a nurse, Yes he is. He's a registered nurse. Okay. 1:37:07.640 --> 1:37:09.080 I didn't know if he was just like a medical 1:37:09.080 --> 1:37:11.160 assistant or something. And I was like, he's allowed to 1:37:11.200 --> 1:37:16.160 give these injections after like after, I think he's God. 1:37:16.760 --> 1:37:20.080 So then weeks later, Reverend Floridian Jay Gall comes in. 1:37:20.160 --> 1:37:23.920 He's sixty eight, he has pneumonia. His sister Lucille remembers 1:37:23.920 --> 1:37:27.240 seeing Colin one night, and then hospital records again showed 1:37:27.240 --> 1:37:29.400 that he reviewed this patient's file, even though not his 1:37:29.479 --> 1:37:32.920 patient on June twenty seventh. Later that night, Colin ordered 1:37:33.040 --> 1:37:36.920 the medication for another patient again who has not prescribed it. 1:37:37.200 --> 1:37:39.839 And the next morning, this reverend had heart failure. 1:37:40.479 --> 1:37:41.200 Oh my god. 1:37:41.320 --> 1:37:46.040 The hospital did nothing, no autopsy, nothing, and like they 1:37:46.200 --> 1:37:49.720 they clocked that the symptoms are the symptom of a 1:37:49.760 --> 1:37:53.960 degoxin like overdose or whatever, but like they didn't put 1:37:54.000 --> 1:37:56.040 it together. They're like, I guess this just happened. So 1:37:56.080 --> 1:38:01.320 then again four incidents happened in one month July. First 1:38:01.320 --> 1:38:04.160 they bring in outside experts but let him stay working 1:38:04.360 --> 1:38:07.160 and then did not tell the state police or health 1:38:07.200 --> 1:38:11.960 department yet. So then doctor Stephen Marcus is so annoyed, 1:38:12.280 --> 1:38:15.240 and he's the new Jersey Poison Control Center executive director, 1:38:15.600 --> 1:38:18.840 and he's like, are you guys fucking stupid? And also 1:38:18.880 --> 1:38:22.479 I've been recording all these conversations you moron hospital, So 1:38:22.560 --> 1:38:24.040 he's recorded everything. 1:38:24.400 --> 1:38:25.679 He's pissed about everything. 1:38:26.040 --> 1:38:28.400 He finally reports the case to the Department of Health 1:38:28.439 --> 1:38:29.480 and Senior Services. 1:38:29.920 --> 1:38:33.040 So then all these people are investigating from all over. 1:38:33.840 --> 1:38:36.519 Colin is still working, and then a patient has a 1:38:36.560 --> 1:38:40.280 non fatal insulin overdose on August twenty seventh, and then 1:38:40.320 --> 1:38:42.960 on September twenty fifth, the Department of Health learns that 1:38:43.000 --> 1:38:46.680 the hospital never reported that incident. So then state officials 1:38:46.720 --> 1:38:49.960 are like fuck fuck fuck. So then eight days later, 1:38:50.080 --> 1:38:53.120 another patient suffered a wild drop in blood sugar and 1:38:53.160 --> 1:38:54.679 died forty five minutes later. 1:38:55.640 --> 1:38:57.519 And it finally turned criminal. 1:38:58.280 --> 1:39:01.599 Sixteen years after this man became a nurse and started 1:39:01.680 --> 1:39:06.200 killing people. Oh my god, Somerset County Prosecutor Wayne J. 1:39:06.560 --> 1:39:10.040 Forrest started a big thing. And then October thirty first, 1:39:10.360 --> 1:39:14.360 Somerset finally fired him for lying on his job application. 1:39:15.000 --> 1:39:15.400 Lol. 1:39:16.160 --> 1:39:21.000 So then finally, finally, I keep saying, finally, December twelfth, 1:39:21.439 --> 1:39:24.640 he was having spring rolls and drinking a beer with 1:39:24.680 --> 1:39:28.320 a date in a restaurant and then authorities surrounded him. 1:39:28.479 --> 1:39:30.800 So it's very SVU like to be eating a spring 1:39:30.880 --> 1:39:35.640 roll and get arrested. And he went quietly, and his 1:39:35.720 --> 1:39:38.519 nursing license was still in order. So if they didn't 1:39:38.560 --> 1:39:40.679 arrest him, he could have gotten another job as a nurse. 1:39:41.600 --> 1:39:42.400 I don't. 1:39:43.080 --> 1:39:46.000 He pled guilty to twenty two murders in New Jersey 1:39:46.040 --> 1:39:50.720 and seven in Pennsylvania, and then six attempted murder confessions 1:39:50.720 --> 1:39:53.719 as well. He did have to sit for the victim 1:39:53.720 --> 1:39:56.400 impact statements, and it was four hours of nearly two 1:39:56.439 --> 1:39:59.200 dozen relatives of like dead people just talking to him, 1:39:59.280 --> 1:40:04.800 thank God, and Judge w Armstrong gave him eleven consecutive 1:40:04.800 --> 1:40:06.479 life sentences no parole. 1:40:07.160 --> 1:40:07.760 Obviously. 1:40:09.800 --> 1:40:11.880 The thing that's so fucked up about this is like this, 1:40:11.960 --> 1:40:16.200 I've obviously listened to two seasons of doctor death on podcasts, 1:40:16.320 --> 1:40:20.280 and like there's always nurses that are other nurses that 1:40:20.280 --> 1:40:22.960 are like reporting shit and people are not listening to them. 1:40:23.000 --> 1:40:28.799 Like there's always like hospitals just like ignoring concerns from nurses. 1:40:28.840 --> 1:40:33.720 I feel like about doctor bad, about doctor malpractice and 1:40:33.760 --> 1:40:37.519 sometimes other nurses. And if we had like listened to 1:40:37.560 --> 1:40:42.439 one fucking nurse at one of these places, Jesus. 1:40:42.479 --> 1:40:46.120 Yeah, our fail. But it's also like I feel like 1:40:46.320 --> 1:40:48.160 I want to know where he is in prison. 1:40:48.720 --> 1:40:50.439 It's like you got to hit these places where the 1:40:50.439 --> 1:40:53.599 money is. If that first guy who had said, remember 1:40:53.640 --> 1:40:56.200 the one who's whose wife or was it Helen Dean, 1:40:56.280 --> 1:40:58.639 the one who was like he stuck me, Like, if 1:40:58.640 --> 1:41:01.439 that guy, if that woman's son or whoever, had like 1:41:01.600 --> 1:41:04.400 sued them, I bet they would have gotten this guy 1:41:04.439 --> 1:41:05.200 off the fucking shoe. 1:41:05.400 --> 1:41:07.960 You don't have the money or the wherewithal to sue 1:41:08.000 --> 1:41:08.519 you guys. 1:41:08.560 --> 1:41:13.160 There's a Netflix thing Capturing the Killer Nurse The Good Nurse, 1:41:13.200 --> 1:41:15.040 A true story of medicine madness. 1:41:15.120 --> 1:41:18.160 It's like Charles Cullen. It came out in twenty twenty two. 1:41:18.960 --> 1:41:22.080 Oh maybe I'll do that for sister Peg Capturing the 1:41:22.160 --> 1:41:27.080 Killer Nurse. WHOA, I'm definitely gonna watch that because or not, 1:41:27.240 --> 1:41:29.439 or I'm just gonna be mad, but I mean I'm 1:41:29.479 --> 1:41:30.120 mad either way. 1:41:30.840 --> 1:41:35.160 He was an excellent nurse. They're saying he knew medication 1:41:35.360 --> 1:41:36.439 like I had never seen. 1:41:37.080 --> 1:41:39.200 I guess it's like I just want to know. 1:41:39.640 --> 1:41:43.040 Like in the show, she's obviously got some fucked up 1:41:43.080 --> 1:41:46.200 anger towards her mom, and she thinks she's liberating these women. 1:41:46.760 --> 1:41:47.880 What is this guy's like? 1:41:48.560 --> 1:41:51.519 Does he just like to see people fucking suddenly die 1:41:51.600 --> 1:41:54.240 because some people are recovering well and so they're gonna 1:41:54.240 --> 1:41:57.240 be fine, and then he's like, bye, you're dead. 1:41:57.280 --> 1:41:58.400 I just like to see people die. 1:42:00.120 --> 1:42:02.559 It's probably just like a weird god complex of like 1:42:02.600 --> 1:42:04.920 I can just kill people whatever I want, like with 1:42:05.000 --> 1:42:08.200 this little shot ough all. 1:42:08.240 --> 1:42:11.200 Right, yeah crazy, I mean this is Oh what I 1:42:11.240 --> 1:42:14.760 was gonna say is like you want to trust professionals, 1:42:14.840 --> 1:42:17.160 but you can't. You can't trust anyone ever, Like what 1:42:17.240 --> 1:42:19.479 a fucked up lesson, what a life to live? But 1:42:19.560 --> 1:42:23.160 like all the like, you can't trust anybody. 1:42:24.360 --> 1:42:26.959 Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. 1:42:26.760 --> 1:42:29.400 You go and there's a nurse and suddenly you're you're 1:42:29.640 --> 1:42:31.639 green and no one's listening, Like you have to fight 1:42:31.840 --> 1:42:32.880 at all constantly. 1:42:33.479 --> 1:42:37.920 You cannot be polite. You cannot be polite. Yeah. 1:42:38.760 --> 1:42:43.320 Oh that's like it's just really crazy that you would 1:42:43.320 --> 1:42:45.280 go through so many places and then there's like no 1:42:45.400 --> 1:42:49.559 checks and balances for in some of these vulnerable communities. 1:42:49.640 --> 1:42:51.479 Well they do it on purpose, because who do they 1:42:51.479 --> 1:42:53.800 pay bad people that take care of your grandparents, Like 1:42:53.880 --> 1:42:56.479 it's not a lucrative job, like you would think you 1:42:56.520 --> 1:42:59.720 would pay those people more, but like being a caretaker, 1:43:00.080 --> 1:43:02.160 you get treated bad at bad hours. It's not a 1:43:02.160 --> 1:43:04.519 good job and you don't get compensated well and you 1:43:04.520 --> 1:43:08.600 get treated like shit. Yeah, and it's like gross, and 1:43:08.600 --> 1:43:11.320 it's manually, it's like a lot of fucking it's a 1:43:11.360 --> 1:43:15.360 hard ass job and of course no one gives a fuck. 1:43:15.439 --> 1:43:17.599 So then you get these psychopaths or theas that are 1:43:17.600 --> 1:43:19.400 like y'all take care of these motherfuckers and then no 1:43:19.439 --> 1:43:20.559 one checks on them. 1:43:20.880 --> 1:43:26.840 Yeah. Oh well, well yeah that's it. 1:43:27.400 --> 1:43:30.559 Yeah, all right, well thanks for doing all that research. 1:43:30.720 --> 1:43:33.240 I mean, I'm like reading about this other lady who 1:43:33.320 --> 1:43:36.400 got caught afterwards. It's like so crazy when someone gets caught, 1:43:36.479 --> 1:43:39.840 like after Suu's already done an episode about it or 1:43:39.840 --> 1:43:43.320 something like, or a crime happens after the episode. 1:43:43.360 --> 1:43:44.280 That's exactly the same. 1:43:45.200 --> 1:43:49.519 All right, let's patterns naturally emerge. I always say that. 1:43:49.680 --> 1:43:57.400 All right, let's get into our post mortem. Well, no 1:43:57.520 --> 1:44:00.840 guests this week, as we mentioned, so oh, I mean 1:44:01.000 --> 1:44:03.560 the post mortem on this one. I feel like you 1:44:03.640 --> 1:44:06.880 got to get out of your brother's shadow, Like, let's, 1:44:07.160 --> 1:44:10.480 I don't know, develop another interest, get out of nursing. 1:44:10.600 --> 1:44:13.799 I don't know. That's like so terrible. It's so terrible. 1:44:13.840 --> 1:44:14.920 I feel like when there's. 1:44:16.240 --> 1:44:19.160 The reason doesn't matter, that's the day at the end 1:44:19.240 --> 1:44:21.040 of the Oh yeah, but I was like, at the 1:44:21.120 --> 1:44:24.120 end of the day, I just I don't care about 1:44:24.120 --> 1:44:25.640 your reason for murder. 1:44:25.760 --> 1:44:29.120 Right, no, of course, But like her trauma comes. 1:44:28.840 --> 1:44:31.720 From like a life of being like neglected for me, you. 1:44:31.720 --> 1:44:34.400 Know, I know it's not as as severe, I guess, 1:44:34.479 --> 1:44:37.240 but it's like I know parents that pitted their sons 1:44:37.240 --> 1:44:39.360 against each other, like one went to private, one went 1:44:39.400 --> 1:44:41.479 to public, and like, oh my god, they tried to 1:44:41.479 --> 1:44:44.759 make them compete and do weird things like evil people 1:44:45.000 --> 1:44:49.040 procreate and yeah, and women hate women and themselves and 1:44:49.120 --> 1:44:51.760 like so you know that we talk about the boy 1:44:51.800 --> 1:44:55.320 mom thing where immediately it's like, oh, the girls, we're 1:44:55.320 --> 1:45:00.880 gonna fight, Like yeah, I just the hating themselves manifests 1:45:01.200 --> 1:45:02.160 in the hate of others. 1:45:02.640 --> 1:45:06.400 Yeah, I mean also it like, yeah, it just goes 1:45:06.439 --> 1:45:08.960 against the whole, Like you're supposed to just like love 1:45:09.000 --> 1:45:11.160 your kids unconditionally, not on the condition that they like 1:45:11.280 --> 1:45:14.839 perform better than another one or are better at sports 1:45:14.920 --> 1:45:18.559 or academics or anything or that, like you know, beyond 1:45:18.640 --> 1:45:22.600 like just being like accepting them like sexual orientation or 1:45:22.680 --> 1:45:25.800 gender anything like that. It's like you can't just like 1:45:25.840 --> 1:45:28.559 the one better that like does better in school or whatever, 1:45:28.720 --> 1:45:30.519 you know. And I feel like you see that a lot, 1:45:31.080 --> 1:45:31.360 you know. 1:45:32.200 --> 1:45:35.720 Even if it's not this aggressive, it's just like the favorite. Yeah, 1:45:35.760 --> 1:45:40.920 it's like unshuted bias comes out everywhere. Yeah where It's like, 1:45:40.920 --> 1:45:42.000 what is this a horse race? 1:45:42.000 --> 1:45:43.559 You're like, I think I'm gonna put my money on this one. 1:45:43.560 --> 1:45:45.879 They're gonna do better. Like what like they're your children, 1:45:46.560 --> 1:45:51.839 so you know, yeah, you know most people shouldn't have children. 1:45:52.200 --> 1:45:56.360 That's just what I'm thinking. Oscar's playing indoor soccer. Gave 1:45:56.439 --> 1:45:58.080 up halfway through the game. He goes, this is too 1:45:58.120 --> 1:45:59.600 loud for me, and he sat on the bench and 1:45:59.640 --> 1:46:01.360 he talked to a grown woman the entire time, who 1:46:01.400 --> 1:46:01.960 I did not know. 1:46:03.160 --> 1:46:03.679 That's him. 1:46:03.880 --> 1:46:07.200 You know, I'm not gonna be like, uh, you need 1:46:07.240 --> 1:46:13.000 a Soper scholarship, get out there, you know, but so strange. 1:46:13.040 --> 1:46:15.519 Oh my god, okay, this is okay. My brain went. 1:46:16.040 --> 1:46:19.680 I watched a video of like people being like if 1:46:19.680 --> 1:46:22.000 you're a parent that like flips out at your kids 1:46:22.040 --> 1:46:24.559 sporting events, you're like the word you're a bad person, 1:46:24.640 --> 1:46:27.400 you know, like you're an unwell person. And then that 1:46:27.560 --> 1:46:30.200 made me think of I saw a clip and it's 1:46:30.320 --> 1:46:33.519 missal Jones, who I do enjoy the content, but then 1:46:33.600 --> 1:46:37.000 like some other finance woman talking and this woman goes 1:46:37.680 --> 1:46:40.120 the first part I agree with, like brides should pay 1:46:40.120 --> 1:46:42.599 for their bachelorette parties, like the idea that everyone should 1:46:42.640 --> 1:46:45.479 pay for the bride's house and bride like if you're 1:46:45.479 --> 1:46:48.200 doing an elaborate vacation. You should pay for the home 1:46:48.840 --> 1:46:50.760 or like you should pay for the things and then 1:46:50.800 --> 1:46:53.240 people fly or something. But I agree with that, like 1:46:53.280 --> 1:46:56.679 if you're doing these extravagance, or at least pay for yourself, 1:46:56.720 --> 1:46:57.639 Like I don't understand. 1:46:57.800 --> 1:46:59.800 I paid for myself at my own bachelorette and I 1:47:00.080 --> 1:47:03.000 a bunch of food, Like I definitely be myself. 1:47:02.760 --> 1:47:04.519 Like that part I could, I agreed with. 1:47:05.360 --> 1:47:07.040 And if you can't, like make it more low key, 1:47:07.120 --> 1:47:10.439 like to ask people to spend thousands and times it's absurd, 1:47:10.960 --> 1:47:13.200 But then they go and I'm done with the birthdays. 1:47:13.320 --> 1:47:15.760 I'm done paying for the birthday girl dinner? What are 1:47:15.800 --> 1:47:17.599 you a child? I have to pay for the dinner? 1:47:17.640 --> 1:47:21.599 And I just wrote being so against like getting a 1:47:21.640 --> 1:47:25.080 treat for your friend on their birthday is the darkest thing. 1:47:25.800 --> 1:47:28.120 That is so dark to be annoyed that you have 1:47:28.160 --> 1:47:32.320 to pay for I can't that like was too far 1:47:32.360 --> 1:47:32.560 from me. 1:47:32.560 --> 1:47:34.400 I'm like, this is true darkness. This has to be 1:47:34.400 --> 1:47:34.920 for content. 1:47:34.960 --> 1:47:37.639 You can't truly be annoyed to pay for your friend's 1:47:37.640 --> 1:47:38.360 birthday dinner. 1:47:38.680 --> 1:47:41.240 Everything's rage bait. Now they like know it's gonna make 1:47:41.280 --> 1:47:41.879 you furious. 1:47:42.400 --> 1:47:44.120 You don't want to pay for your friend's birthday because 1:47:44.120 --> 1:47:47.439 I remember my parents being annoyed because Russian culture, it's 1:47:47.479 --> 1:47:49.800 like I'll pay for the party and you bring gifts 1:47:49.840 --> 1:47:53.320 or cash, you know what I mean. So then it's like, okay, 1:47:53.320 --> 1:47:55.880 you either get a gift or I'm paying for my 1:47:55.920 --> 1:47:58.120 own dinner, but you can't have both. And in high school, 1:47:58.160 --> 1:48:00.639 for some reason, we bought this girl of Tiffany's bracelet 1:48:00.640 --> 1:48:02.400 all together and paid for her dinner, and my parents 1:48:02.439 --> 1:48:03.920 were pissed and we had to pay for our own. 1:48:04.000 --> 1:48:05.839 My parents were like, what the fuck is this culture? 1:48:06.000 --> 1:48:09.080 What the heck? Well, so I wouldn't so if I'm 1:48:09.120 --> 1:48:10.559 throwing apart, but it's different. 1:48:10.600 --> 1:48:12.639 But if you go to dinner with your friend whose 1:48:12.680 --> 1:48:16.360 birthday it is, and you are like, I'm a I'm 1:48:16.400 --> 1:48:17.759 not putting in for her. 1:48:17.840 --> 1:48:20.759 That is dark. You don't just me that's the gift. 1:48:20.840 --> 1:48:22.400 To me, It's like, we don't really, I don't really give, 1:48:22.560 --> 1:48:25.320 like do a ton of birthday gifts really, And I'm like, 1:48:25.400 --> 1:48:26.839 the gift is that we're all taking. 1:48:26.680 --> 1:48:27.200 Out to dinner. 1:48:28.520 --> 1:48:32.240 I don't know that makes sense to me. Yeah, Like 1:48:32.320 --> 1:48:38.040 to be against that is weird. Yes, it's like it's 1:48:38.080 --> 1:48:39.960 a joy or it's like it's kind of like when 1:48:40.000 --> 1:48:42.200 I get into gifts or like doing stuff it's Christmas 1:48:42.240 --> 1:48:44.719 and people go, oh this, I go, I don't feel 1:48:44.720 --> 1:48:47.639 that stress, Like are you so void of understanding where 1:48:47.680 --> 1:48:49.639 other people come from that I don't have your stress 1:48:49.680 --> 1:48:53.160 with it to me. My Christmas shopping's done in November, bitch, 1:48:53.200 --> 1:48:57.200 I'm excited. Like people like putting their own shit where 1:48:57.240 --> 1:48:59.880 it's like oh god the birthday and it's like, no, 1:49:00.080 --> 1:49:01.960 you're a bad person, Like you're a bad person. 1:49:02.040 --> 1:49:03.920 Yeah, it's also so easy. 1:49:04.080 --> 1:49:05.960 I'm not like you. I'm not like a big gift 1:49:06.000 --> 1:49:09.960 person and that's fine. The dinner is so easy. I'm like, 1:49:10.000 --> 1:49:11.800 this is so easy. They were going to place, they like, 1:49:11.800 --> 1:49:13.200 we're gonna all have dinner, We're gonna have fun. 1:49:13.320 --> 1:49:14.920 Oh it's all them drinks. Is another thing. 1:49:15.040 --> 1:49:17.280 It must be rage bait because then they said, well, 1:49:17.320 --> 1:49:19.600 am I gonna get this in return? Like if I 1:49:19.600 --> 1:49:21.280 pay for your Like, am I going to be getting 1:49:21.280 --> 1:49:22.120 my dinner paid for it? 1:49:22.080 --> 1:49:23.519 And I go, oh, get out of here. Because that's 1:49:23.560 --> 1:49:24.000 also a. 1:49:23.920 --> 1:49:26.240 Thing like my gift giving has nothing to do with 1:49:26.360 --> 1:49:28.320 because I have tons of friends who aren't gift givers 1:49:28.400 --> 1:49:29.880 or don't give a fuck or don't remember birthday and 1:49:29.880 --> 1:49:30.479 that's not their thing. 1:49:30.560 --> 1:49:31.680 Yeah, that would ever forced it. 1:49:31.720 --> 1:49:33.760 I think that's where the issues come from, is like, 1:49:35.040 --> 1:49:37.840 you know, expecting people to like go I don't know, 1:49:38.080 --> 1:49:41.800 I don't know, but like and if you're broke or 1:49:41.840 --> 1:49:44.200 if you like, if something is going on or you 1:49:44.240 --> 1:49:48.719 can't afford, like that's different too, or if that person's 1:49:48.760 --> 1:49:50.920 taste is very up. But then if it's a real friend, 1:49:50.960 --> 1:49:52.679 you would like talk about her, don't go to the dinner. 1:49:52.720 --> 1:49:55.240 I don't know. It's just like but like they really 1:49:56.640 --> 1:49:58.800 I hope its rage bait because. 1:50:00.160 --> 1:50:02.679 Through financial troubles you're like, hey, I really can't afford 1:50:02.720 --> 1:50:04.360 the dinners or a way I can like take you 1:50:04.400 --> 1:50:05.440 for coffee. 1:50:05.080 --> 1:50:05.960 Or we can oh I want. 1:50:06.080 --> 1:50:08.479 Yeah that's what's someone in the comments like I'm done 1:50:08.520 --> 1:50:10.479 doing these big ones. I don't like the other friends, 1:50:10.960 --> 1:50:13.200 but I'm happy to take my friend out to dinner 1:50:13.360 --> 1:50:15.760 totally totally, but like I. 1:50:15.880 --> 1:50:17.400 Like the other friends is so good. 1:50:17.439 --> 1:50:19.160 I don't really want to be with that whole group, 1:50:19.360 --> 1:50:21.320 Like yeah, because I have friends who. 1:50:21.200 --> 1:50:23.200 Are definitely not gift givers and I would never be 1:50:23.280 --> 1:50:26.240 mad at them and I wouldn't I wouldn't want them 1:50:26.240 --> 1:50:28.639 to feel pressure, and I wouldn't I would expect them. 1:50:28.520 --> 1:50:30.679 To give at the level of thoughtfulness that you give, 1:50:31.200 --> 1:50:32.960 because that's like a skill of yours. 1:50:33.080 --> 1:50:36.240 I also don't if I buy you a breakfast for 1:50:36.280 --> 1:50:39.080 your perthday, I'm really not thinking about it when it's yeah, 1:50:39.479 --> 1:50:42.839 I really, I don't know. 1:50:42.560 --> 1:50:45.280 I feel like all this like kind of etiquette shit 1:50:45.360 --> 1:50:47.880 that people talk about is not really rage bait, like 1:50:47.880 --> 1:50:49.360 they're really trying to get you, like. 1:50:49.320 --> 1:50:52.720 Well, no, I think it's like isolate, like it's ye're right, 1:50:52.960 --> 1:50:55.759 it's it's people that are only on the internet or something. 1:50:55.960 --> 1:51:01.479 It's not real life, Like I just can't imagine being like, no, 1:51:01.880 --> 1:51:03.639 I'm not paying for your birthday dinner? 1:51:03.760 --> 1:51:05.439 Why are we? And it's like there's five of us, 1:51:05.439 --> 1:51:07.600 like we'll each put in fifteen dollars, Like I just 1:51:07.680 --> 1:51:07.960 I don't know. 1:51:08.040 --> 1:51:11.880 Yeah, I've been at countless birthday dinners. I cannot remember 1:51:11.880 --> 1:51:13.680 one where someone's like I'm not actually gonna put in 1:51:13.720 --> 1:51:15.719 for the birthday girl or the birthday boy. Like I've 1:51:15.800 --> 1:51:19.519 never experienced that, So that's anecdotal. I don't know if 1:51:19.520 --> 1:51:21.519 that's like a new thing happening, But you are. 1:51:21.520 --> 1:51:24.439 Both wealthy people, because like that's the thing don't we 1:51:24.479 --> 1:51:26.479 talk about, Like when you're looking for a spouser partner 1:51:26.520 --> 1:51:28.559 in this idea of like wealth comes up, but it's 1:51:28.600 --> 1:51:32.320 like it's actually generosity is what you're looking for. Like wealth, 1:51:33.120 --> 1:51:37.880 you could still be a frugal, like bad person who's. 1:51:37.400 --> 1:51:40.519 Not you know, I don't know. 1:51:40.520 --> 1:51:42.639 If you're a millionaire and you're at dinner with people 1:51:42.640 --> 1:51:44.519 that aren't millionaires, you should cover the tab. 1:51:45.640 --> 1:51:47.680 When we went out to dinner with my When we 1:51:47.720 --> 1:51:49.720 went to Italy and we went out to dinner with my. 1:51:49.880 --> 1:51:53.519 Tell exactly who I'm talking about. Who covered a big 1:51:53.560 --> 1:51:57.160 tab for me recently? Yeah, yeahpfull Hopefully maybe she heard 1:51:57.200 --> 1:51:57.840 me talking shit. 1:51:59.800 --> 1:52:02.680 Well, we went out to dinner and we saw our 1:52:02.680 --> 1:52:04.320 friends in Italy. They took us out to dinner. They 1:52:04.320 --> 1:52:06.040 would not let us pay, even though they were putting 1:52:06.120 --> 1:52:08.280 us up. We were like, this is crazy. Then they 1:52:08.280 --> 1:52:10.200 come to New York. We put them up at our 1:52:10.280 --> 1:52:13.120 apartment where we have much less space than them. We 1:52:13.160 --> 1:52:15.360 slept on the couch, they slept in our bedroom. We 1:52:15.400 --> 1:52:17.800 took them out to dinner. They they did the same 1:52:17.800 --> 1:52:19.200 thing they would only they would pay. They paid for 1:52:19.200 --> 1:52:20.840 a couple dinners and then the last one, Jared went 1:52:20.880 --> 1:52:22.960 behind their back and paid and their two friends had 1:52:23.040 --> 1:52:26.360 joined us. They acted like he was insane. They go, 1:52:26.600 --> 1:52:29.400 you don't even know these people, the new people that joined, 1:52:29.640 --> 1:52:31.280 you don't even know them. Why would you pay for them? 1:52:31.320 --> 1:52:34.519 They went like crazy. We were like, we got it, 1:52:34.520 --> 1:52:39.040 it's fine, like it like so be h, yeah, be 1:52:39.280 --> 1:52:41.920 be the kind of generous that infuriates Italian people. 1:52:42.000 --> 1:52:43.400 That's that's what ever we should aim for. 1:52:43.400 --> 1:52:46.000 Well because even like I know that for a fact 1:52:46.120 --> 1:52:49.800 that they're richer families than me growing up, but like 1:52:50.800 --> 1:52:53.960 my mom would feed anybody at any moment, and it's 1:52:54.000 --> 1:52:56.320 actually rude if you didn't eat. And I had friends 1:52:56.320 --> 1:52:58.080 that they're like, well we can't eat the fruit. My 1:52:58.120 --> 1:53:00.559 mom says that's expensive, or like that's for the lunch, 1:53:00.600 --> 1:53:02.479 and it's fine, like every family is different. 1:53:02.520 --> 1:53:03.360 It's lunch. 1:53:04.240 --> 1:53:07.880 It's like it is just like you know, culture whatever. 1:53:08.200 --> 1:53:12.280 But I don't know. It did rage me if that 1:53:12.439 --> 1:53:14.559 was the point of like are we have we gotten? 1:53:14.680 --> 1:53:20.960 So not wanting to be uncomfortable or like stretching for 1:53:21.000 --> 1:53:25.519 a little or just like having joy from treating a 1:53:25.560 --> 1:53:28.160 friend on their birth but like I just can't. 1:53:28.280 --> 1:53:31.599 It sounds like a like like a subway take designed 1:53:31.600 --> 1:53:33.200 to infuriate the Internet or something. 1:53:33.240 --> 1:53:36.920 Also, yeah, everything's a take. Now, I'm like scrolling my 1:53:37.080 --> 1:53:41.360 phone and scrolling and who are you? 1:53:41.560 --> 1:53:44.360 And why why am I listening to it? 1:53:45.840 --> 1:53:50.240 Everything's to take now, Okay, let's get into our what 1:53:50.280 --> 1:53:53.479 would Sister Peg do? This is our weekly segment where 1:53:53.520 --> 1:53:55.360 we direct you to I. 1:53:55.280 --> 1:53:56.400 Have a heated rivalry thing. 1:53:56.439 --> 1:53:59.719 I do have to talk, Okay, So in the Vegas Airport, 1:54:00.040 --> 1:54:01.639 it's me being humiliated, you'll like it. 1:54:01.720 --> 1:54:04.479 So I'm in the Vegas king go on. 1:54:07.000 --> 1:54:10.080 So it's like, I'm at the Vega but my flight's 1:54:10.080 --> 1:54:13.439 delayed for four hours, and there's no Delta lounge, but 1:54:13.479 --> 1:54:18.080 there's Centurion AMX lounges. They're both at forty five minutes 1:54:18.120 --> 1:54:22.120 to an hour wait, but one is only thirty seats. 1:54:22.520 --> 1:54:24.439 But I'm like, you know what, I'm here for four hours, 1:54:24.479 --> 1:54:26.599 like I'll fucking I'll wait. I'll wait to get into 1:54:26.600 --> 1:54:26.960 this thing. 1:54:27.479 --> 1:54:30.800 And I'm reading my book and so I'm like reading 1:54:30.840 --> 1:54:32.840 while I'm waiting, I'm walking. Did I buy something at 1:54:32.840 --> 1:54:34.960 the Kate Spades store at the Vegas Airport? I did? 1:54:35.120 --> 1:54:38.960 But I always wonder who's buying stuff there, People with 1:54:39.080 --> 1:54:41.480 delayed flights waiting to get into the Centurion lounge. Yeah, 1:54:41.480 --> 1:54:45.520 that's who it is. That's who it is. And so 1:54:45.560 --> 1:54:48.080 I'm finally let in. I'm at the bar, I'm having 1:54:48.080 --> 1:54:51.400 a good time and a woman comes and it's my bookmark, 1:54:51.440 --> 1:54:54.120 which is someone gifted it, but it looks like an 1:54:54.120 --> 1:54:54.720 actual photo. 1:54:54.720 --> 1:54:55.879 It's like cannon on the background. 1:54:55.880 --> 1:54:58.920 It's a printed, like four x six glossy photo, but 1:54:58.960 --> 1:55:01.040 it's of Shane and Illy from the show. So it's like, 1:55:02.160 --> 1:55:04.520 So she the woman from outside comes and goes, it 1:55:04.600 --> 1:55:05.560 was is this yours? 1:55:05.680 --> 1:55:09.200 And I go, yeah, it's mine. I'm like, this is humiliating, 1:55:09.680 --> 1:55:12.360 Like you just knew it was mine? And she's like, 1:55:12.680 --> 1:55:15.680 you know, I looked around the lounge. It's like when I. 1:55:15.600 --> 1:55:18.040 Saw you reading, she said, She goes, you're the only 1:55:18.080 --> 1:55:21.360 one reading. I was like okay. But then the bartender 1:55:21.520 --> 1:55:24.160 ended up loving heated Rebberry two. She showed me photos 1:55:24.200 --> 1:55:28.080 of her going to the disco and since or the 1:55:28.160 --> 1:55:32.240 rave like so elderly, and it was her birthday and 1:55:32.920 --> 1:55:36.720 I was gifted two separate packs of heated rivalry stickers 1:55:37.400 --> 1:55:39.440 on my journeys. So then I got to give her 1:55:39.440 --> 1:55:41.280 stickers for her birthday, and it was like a really 1:55:41.320 --> 1:55:44.040 like fun kind of oh that's cute moment, but listen, 1:55:44.120 --> 1:55:46.680 oh about gifts. So I did two nights at a 1:55:46.720 --> 1:55:49.840 hotel and then I did four nights at a friend's 1:55:49.920 --> 1:55:53.760 house and they and like when I got to my room, 1:55:54.120 --> 1:55:58.120 they have gifts for me. And I go, why do 1:55:58.160 --> 1:56:01.120 you have gifts for me? And they said, it's a 1:56:01.160 --> 1:56:04.200 Gwyneth Paltrow thing. Gwyneth said to if someone's staying at 1:56:04.200 --> 1:56:06.800 your house, you should have a welcome gift for them. 1:56:07.120 --> 1:56:09.560 And Chelsea Fagan is someone I follow and she she 1:56:09.640 --> 1:56:11.480 does little baskets in the guest room too. 1:56:11.800 --> 1:56:14.600 But I got three heated rivalry bracelets. 1:56:14.080 --> 1:56:15.760 And a sticker pack, and then in Vegas, I got 1:56:15.760 --> 1:56:20.800 a sticker pack as well, showering you, And yeah, I 1:56:20.840 --> 1:56:23.400 love it. I mean it's very sweet and I use 1:56:23.480 --> 1:56:25.560 them a lot. And having more and more heated rivalry 1:56:25.560 --> 1:56:29.480 stickers makes me more generous because I was acting stingy 1:56:29.640 --> 1:56:31.560 and now I have so many duplicates and fun ones. 1:56:31.600 --> 1:56:34.080 So I sent out some letters, some cards. Well yeah, 1:56:34.720 --> 1:56:40.040 that mean for me, it's so it is so real. 1:56:40.200 --> 1:56:43.000 I felt so red in a way. 1:56:43.040 --> 1:56:48.600 Like, yeah, I was just at my friend's house who's Canadian, 1:56:48.720 --> 1:56:50.040 and she was like, oh, I'm going to be in 1:56:50.080 --> 1:56:51.760 Canada for most of the summer, and I go, oh, 1:56:51.800 --> 1:56:53.640 are you going to the cottage? And she was like, oh, 1:56:53.680 --> 1:56:56.000 you know the lingo And I was like, it's heated rivalry, bitch, 1:56:56.160 --> 1:56:58.240 Like it's like, come on, it's. 1:56:58.080 --> 1:57:00.320 Also I think it's like six thousand dollars. 1:57:00.640 --> 1:57:02.720 She thought, I just but she thought I just knew 1:57:02.720 --> 1:57:05.280 that they call lake houses cottages. Like I was like 1:57:05.440 --> 1:57:08.280 studying Canadian lingo to like be able to speak to 1:57:08.320 --> 1:57:08.960 her or something. 1:57:09.040 --> 1:57:10.920 I was like, no, no, no. 1:57:10.360 --> 1:57:13.200 No, I have to study the people that choose not 1:57:13.280 --> 1:57:16.400 to watch the show because there's like a certain attitude 1:57:16.400 --> 1:57:17.160 that I hate. 1:57:17.000 --> 1:57:20.920 It is where Canadians are like watch it, I don't 1:57:20.960 --> 1:57:23.120 want to and it's like it's a export. 1:57:23.400 --> 1:57:26.839 I go, like a full Canadian production, all Canadian music, 1:57:27.000 --> 1:57:28.880 and you're just six s up and you're just like 1:57:29.440 --> 1:57:32.680 for what, But I don't watch Marvel and so like, 1:57:32.800 --> 1:57:35.280 I have to stop being so judgmental. But I just 1:57:35.480 --> 1:57:39.840 I find their reasoning sinister. I don't think it's coming 1:57:39.880 --> 1:57:42.960 from a neutral place or like you know, Nikki Bell, 1:57:43.080 --> 1:57:43.840 he does the fun. 1:57:44.120 --> 1:57:45.280 Yeah. 1:57:45.400 --> 1:57:47.480 So he I saw him on a pod clip and 1:57:47.520 --> 1:57:53.200 he was just like, yeah, I'm like, well, someone said 1:57:53.200 --> 1:57:55.280 I watched the first episode and I got the gist, 1:57:55.480 --> 1:57:57.320 And I go, what other show would you say that about? 1:57:57.360 --> 1:58:00.000 Like that's so psychotic to watch an episode be like 1:58:00.120 --> 1:58:01.920 got the gist, I go of a ten year love 1:58:02.000 --> 1:58:02.520 story from what? 1:58:03.000 --> 1:58:05.440 Yeah, Like you watch the first episode Game of Thrones 1:58:05.480 --> 1:58:08.080 and you're like, I got the GISTs. They're gonna fight people. 1:58:08.240 --> 1:58:09.760 Everyone wants to be king. I get it. 1:58:09.880 --> 1:58:12.160 And so Nick he said, he goes, well, I'm gay, 1:58:12.200 --> 1:58:13.640 so I don't need to watch gay things because I 1:58:13.640 --> 1:58:15.920 live the gay thing. And I'm like, this is what 1:58:15.920 --> 1:58:18.600 Matteo always talks about, like gay guys only supported women 1:58:18.680 --> 1:58:20.640 for so long, Like I think like even gay guy 1:58:20.640 --> 1:58:22.640 could like stand up comedians like Mateo is one of 1:58:22.680 --> 1:58:24.920 the first, you know what I mean of that kind 1:58:24.960 --> 1:58:27.760 of level, like and he had to become very fuckable, 1:58:27.800 --> 1:58:29.640 like he he had to put on thirty pounds. 1:58:29.680 --> 1:58:31.760 But you should watch it if you want more gay 1:58:31.880 --> 1:58:33.520 representation in stories. 1:58:33.800 --> 1:58:36.920 I know because someone I Yeah, it's like it's very 1:58:37.000 --> 1:58:38.760 it's all very interesting to me, you know, I'm a 1:58:38.800 --> 1:58:43.760 sociological person. Yeah, you know what I mean. But yeah, 1:58:43.760 --> 1:58:46.120 it's so that's but to be like, yeah, I'm gay, 1:58:46.160 --> 1:58:47.600 so why would I watch a gay thing. I'm like, 1:58:47.680 --> 1:58:52.880 that's such a weird take to not I Yeah, I 1:58:52.960 --> 1:58:55.120 just don't get it. But again, I don't watch Marvel, 1:58:55.240 --> 1:58:58.080 so like I do separate myself from a lot of 1:58:58.080 --> 1:58:58.560 the culture. 1:58:58.760 --> 1:59:00.720 Yeah, I guess there can be Jean, is that you 1:59:00.800 --> 1:59:04.680 don't like like Superhero which I'm also not really into 1:59:04.680 --> 1:59:07.360 that genre, and I saw a Black Panther, Like there's 1:59:07.400 --> 1:59:11.280 something I saw Deadpool. Yeah, like some things are a sensation. 1:59:11.920 --> 1:59:13.280 Go watch it. 1:59:13.360 --> 1:59:15.960 Yeah, I'm just not gonna blindly go to every single 1:59:15.960 --> 1:59:18.200 thing in that genre, but like many many people do, 1:59:18.520 --> 1:59:20.120 or just like I love Marvel, I'm going to that, 1:59:20.280 --> 1:59:20.520 you know. 1:59:20.760 --> 1:59:23.839 But going to Mortal Kombat made me connected to those people. 1:59:25.240 --> 1:59:28.320 I understood something where I go oh, because people are 1:59:28.320 --> 1:59:29.680 like is it good, I'm like, I don't really know 1:59:29.680 --> 1:59:31.440 how to answer that. But I have the time of 1:59:31.520 --> 1:59:34.360 my life, Like I don't you know what I mean, 1:59:34.520 --> 1:59:37.960 Like I don't know, it's fun. Like some people die, 1:59:38.240 --> 1:59:40.560 but then they also there's like a lot of realms, 1:59:40.600 --> 1:59:42.720 so no one's really dead because the realms are ever 1:59:42.840 --> 1:59:45.440 changing and the lightning can bring you at any moment, 1:59:46.800 --> 1:59:48.720 and you could be not good at fighting, but you 1:59:48.800 --> 1:59:49.200 will win. 1:59:49.800 --> 1:59:50.640 Yeah. 1:59:50.880 --> 1:59:54.680 But I think the other thing is like, if you've 1:59:54.800 --> 1:59:57.760 tried a genre and you don't like it, that's fine. 1:59:58.520 --> 2:00:00.560 So are you when somebody says that they don't want 2:00:00.560 --> 2:00:03.000 to watch that like heat a rivalry? Are you saying 2:00:03.000 --> 2:00:05.720 you just don't watch romance stuff like anything where there's 2:00:05.720 --> 2:00:09.240 a romantic relationship, you don't watch that, And that's fine. 2:00:09.240 --> 2:00:11.240 If you're a person's like I actually don't like romance. 2:00:11.280 --> 2:00:13.360 I'm like, I don't like romance. I'm not into that. 2:00:14.440 --> 2:00:17.880 Maybe that's fine. But if you're just like, nah, that's 2:00:17.920 --> 2:00:20.920 not for me, we have to investigate a little bit more. 2:00:21.000 --> 2:00:21.560 Well, it's so funny. 2:00:21.600 --> 2:00:23.120 So I talked to some I'm actually gonna text him 2:00:23.160 --> 2:00:24.280 right now, but I was talking to someone who's like, 2:00:24.280 --> 2:00:26.000 I just really care about hockey, so like I wanted 2:00:26.000 --> 2:00:28.680 more hockey. And then I watched an interview with Jacob 2:00:28.720 --> 2:00:31.240 Tierney who was like, the show is so much about 2:00:31.280 --> 2:00:33.160 their memory. It's like their story. So it's like they 2:00:33.200 --> 2:00:35.360 didn't remember the hockey. That's not important to them. It's 2:00:35.400 --> 2:00:39.240 like what you remember is seeing your crush and I was. 2:00:39.200 --> 2:00:40.400 Like, that's so interesting. 2:00:40.520 --> 2:00:43.120 You want a bunch of quick cuts of guys playing hockey, 2:00:43.240 --> 2:00:46.680 Like they don't play a professional level hockey. 2:00:46.720 --> 2:00:51.520 That would be hard, you know, but this guy wanted hockey, 2:00:51.600 --> 2:00:57.480 and I well, but yeah, watch Mighty Ducks, Like, fuck yeah, 2:00:57.680 --> 2:01:01.200 watch hockey. 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