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Speaker 1: It is Thursday, March twenty third. This is Jaguars Happy

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Speaker 1: Alice and now a guy who was JP locked away

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Speaker 1: in the darkness Retreat, Brian Sex. Anyone else think that

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Speaker 1: was weird? I mean that's hey, hi everybody, Brian Sexton

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Speaker 1: sitting in with the Jeff Logerman for a second straight

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Speaker 1: Thursday evening. Um, those are the dulceted tones of Joe Forgot,

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Speaker 1: who obviously exercised all the BS opportunities that you could

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Speaker 1: possibly think of. There's funny Moore alright, good? Um, but

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Speaker 1: that is that is interesting? Why why you would you

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Speaker 1: want to do that? First of all, I wouldn't. Can

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Speaker 1: you imagine sitting in a dark room? Do you need

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Speaker 1: a dark room to tell you you want to play

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Speaker 1: football or you don't? Sunlight is good? Yeah, And it

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Speaker 1: wasn't the toxic toad venom from from two summers ago

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Speaker 1: like the sunlight darkness understand. Can you can bring a

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Speaker 1: pond depression all right? And voices that speak in your

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Speaker 1: head to loosen is good. Yep, I'm good with it.

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Speaker 1: I you know, um, Aaron Rodgers has gotten, for lack

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Speaker 1: of a better term, weird. He's gone over the edge

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Speaker 1: and is now I don't know that I've ever I mean,

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady's ponytail was kind of strange, but Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 1: with the toad venom quite a ponytail though. No, no,

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Speaker 1: there's another name for name. You gotta help me out.

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Speaker 1: There's a name for a ponytail that is not quite

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Speaker 1: a pony I mean, I get it. The greatness is undeniable, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, the guy's a great quarterback, but you need

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Speaker 1: to go sit in the darkness to decide whether you

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Speaker 1: want to keep playing or not. Yeah. One of the

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Speaker 1: things that I have not become one of the reasons

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Speaker 1: why I'm not become not a fan of Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 1: is over the last couple of years he's been very vocal,

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Speaker 1: which is which is fine. I mean, that's you're right,

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Speaker 1: you're starting quarterback and what he wants and arguably a

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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame guy. But if you're really about getting

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Speaker 1: better and about team and everything else, then you're doing

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Speaker 1: the things that Tom Brady has done and has showed

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Speaker 1: that are what it takes to be a championship caliber quarterback.

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Speaker 1: Not well, I'm not going to be there for my team,

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Speaker 1: and you can't. You can't sit there and bitch about

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Speaker 1: a situation and then not be part of the solution

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Speaker 1: and helping the process along, which is I think what

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Speaker 1: he's done over the last two years, and I think

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Speaker 1: it's a big reason why that the fan base in

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Speaker 1: Green Bay is okay with him saying sionaro, Yeah, they're

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Speaker 1: ready to see the love kid come on online. Here's

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Speaker 1: the other thing with Brady. Brady took less than the

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Speaker 1: highest paid salary slot, always did, always did, and Aaron

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Speaker 1: Rodgers owns it by a mile in Green Bay. So

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Speaker 1: it is what it is. This is not Packers Today

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Speaker 1: or happy hour in Green Bay. But Joe brought it up.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Joe, appreciate it. It'll be interesting to see how

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Speaker 1: that plays out. I mean, it's one of the most

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Speaker 1: compelling stories in the National Football League right now. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: where's that gonna come to an end? What will the

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Speaker 1: compensation be? At one point? Will Aaron Rodgers be there

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Speaker 1: to help his teammates learn this new system that Nate

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Speaker 1: Hackett is going to install. As the new offensive coordinator

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Speaker 1: and will he be there to help? And you know,

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Speaker 1: most popular ones is Mike Florio's Pro Foot of Football Talk,

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Speaker 1: and he has a lot of opinions about there's really

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Speaker 1: no hurry for the Jets in this situation for a

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Speaker 1: couple of reasons. One, Aaron Rodgers doesn't need to learn system.

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Speaker 1: He already already knows the system, and that he doesn't

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Speaker 1: need to be there because he probably doesn't want to

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Speaker 1: be there until it's time to perform, which is game

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Speaker 1: time and I sit there and I go Those things

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Speaker 1: are all true. So he's saying that the Jets are

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Speaker 1: basically in the catbird seat, and the past don't seem

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Speaker 1: some point shows up a Green Bay and says, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna play for you and pay me. They have to

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Speaker 1: Allan Lazard to go with Hackett, Maybe you wait till

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Speaker 1: you're the Jets or anybody for that matter, you have

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Speaker 1: You need to have your quarterback there for the voluntary

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Speaker 1: all or whoever's all. He's made more than two hundred

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Speaker 1: years when he could have clearly done some other things

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Speaker 1: of just pointing fingers recklessly at coaches or at players.

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Speaker 1: Not a good look. All right, Well, good luck to

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Speaker 1: the Jets. That's you know I say. I think I

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Speaker 1: The Jets are about to beat the Rams, and now

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Speaker 1: and then to hold on after the Raiders thing right

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Speaker 1: And now they're playing around with Aaron Rodgers and tens

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Speaker 1: one one game they shouldn't have won, changed the fortunes

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Speaker 1: It'll all be up on social media soon. The Jaguars

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Speaker 1: meant to be an insult. They're playing in bargain free

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Speaker 1: where we talked about things that might make a difference

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Speaker 1: So let's talk about the Jag salary cap and By

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Speaker 1: the way, we're going to talk about the Jaguars positions, right,

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Speaker 1: the positions of greatest need? How many? How many people

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Speaker 1: So two things. One, the opening of free agency has

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Speaker 1: Last year that you've always been at a record one

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Speaker 1: People have been spoiled by this. They've gotten used to

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Speaker 1: right when you get the quarterback and the salary cap room.

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Speaker 1: I mean, let's be honest. The Jaguars spent their money

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Speaker 1: renegotiating contract acts. Let's just lay this out. Okay, who

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Speaker 1: what's called paragraph five, which you know former that's your

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Speaker 1: have to have a high paragraph five. Do you give

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Speaker 1: you cut his salary by five millions. So what you're

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Speaker 1: because I came came over there, turned built up, the coaching,

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Speaker 1: brought a whole lot of energy, change of city, change

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Speaker 1: of town, and I felt like I was am I

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Speaker 1: right right from mine. I was gonna be a Jackson

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Speaker 1: the Jaguar, but that didn't happened. I don't know how

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Speaker 1: he got disrespected out of that. I just I really don't.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he was a fan favorite, and he did

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Speaker 1: bring a lot of energy, and he was great in

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Speaker 1: the locker room, but disrespected. How about the Titans had

434
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Speaker 1: more money to give you, pal the Jaguars is we

435
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Speaker 1: just spent the last segment outlining just didn't have the

436
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Speaker 1: options to be able to pay arden Key when they're

437
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Speaker 1: thinking about how do I get Trevor Lawrence done next year?

438
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Speaker 1: And a number of young guys that are coming up soon.

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Speaker 1: Disrespect rule of thumb number one. When you go to

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Speaker 1: a new place, you don't tell the new place you

441
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Speaker 1: really wanted to go back to the old place. Okay,

442
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Speaker 1: that's rule number one. Okay, Rule number two, it's a business, Okay,

443
00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:17,080
Speaker 1: the Jaguars have economics issues. It's not about respect or disrespect. Uh.

444
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:22,440
Speaker 1: Number three is you didn't change the culture. Maybe you

445
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Speaker 1: were a part of it. I'll give you credit for that.

446
00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:26,719
Speaker 1: Did you change the city though I thought I heard

447
00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:31,640
Speaker 1: him say he changed this change the city too? Yeah? Yeah.

448
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:34,560
Speaker 1: It was a third round pick of the Raiders, his

449
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:37,679
Speaker 1: fourth team. Love the guys, and by the way, for

450
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Speaker 1: those that were watching on our social media channels, he

451
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Speaker 1: looked fantastic. He was sharply dressed. He's a good guy

452
00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:46,600
Speaker 1: and he's fun to be around, and love the guy really.

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Speaker 1: First of all, again, rule number one, don't tell the

454
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Speaker 1: place that you just went to, you that you would

455
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Speaker 1: rather have stayed at where you were at. But if

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Speaker 1: your he was going to happen, now you're chasing, I mean,

457
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Speaker 1: now you're chasing the quarterback who harry this franchise through

458
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,480
Speaker 1: those last couple of weeks. Well he didn't carry the franchise.

459
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:09,440
Speaker 1: AD changed change before. Yeah, he should have slipped that

460
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Speaker 1: in there too, Ryan Tannehill Chamber quarterback. I change the cultury,

461
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 1: change the city that let him go. Who knows. It's

462
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Speaker 1: all good. I love Arden, but Arden might need a

463
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:25,840
Speaker 1: little media coaching there a lot of media coach out

464
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Speaker 1: four and a half Sacks doesn't tell the whole story

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Speaker 1: of what he did last player. He's a really good

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Speaker 1: players player and a good guy. The disrespect card, please

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Speaker 1: don't play that one. It's the one everyone plays, all right. Um.

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Speaker 1: Jaguars Happy Hour on a Thursday afternoon, Brian and Jeff Logeman.

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Speaker 1: We talked through the salary cap and why the Jaguars

470
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Speaker 1: are playing at them again. It sounds like disrespectful to

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Speaker 1: Ernest Johnson and these other guys they're talking to. But

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Speaker 1: you're playing in the bargain zone. Those when I say,

473
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Speaker 1: when you say bargain zone, there's nothing wrong with that

474
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Speaker 1: because there's plenty of guys that have played in the

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Speaker 1: bargain zone and then next year they end up hitting

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Speaker 1: free agency again and have a chance at making a

477
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Speaker 1: much more significant contract, and there's nothing wrong with It's

478
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:08,720
Speaker 1: not big money, no, it's if you're finding guys that

479
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 1: come in it'sign a one or two year deal to

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Speaker 1: play a role. Well. A lot of people will say

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Speaker 1: that there's the halves and the halves nots in the

482
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Speaker 1: National Football League and that there's no middle class. I

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Speaker 1: don't I don't agree with that. I think there still

484
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 1: is a middle class in the National Football League. But

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Speaker 1: there are more guys that are at that. There are

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Speaker 1: more bigger numbers at the top. And it's not put

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Speaker 1: it this way. It's a it's a it's not a

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Speaker 1: flat curved where you have an equal number of everybody

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Speaker 1: at all different you know, salary levels. There are smaller

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Speaker 1: guys with big numbers, and then there's more guys with

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Speaker 1: smaller numbers. But there's some guys that are in that

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Speaker 1: middle class that make good money, and there's a significant

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Speaker 1: number of them too. All right, so let's look at needs,

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Speaker 1: right um, Free agency by design was going to be quiet,

495
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 1: and it was going to be a guy here and

496
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 1: a guy there. They got the running back. Today, there's

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Speaker 1: talk about a couple of sensive tackles. Jaguars have nothing official,

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Speaker 1: So we don't have anything official for you on that.

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Speaker 1: You had defensive tackle, but number toma who can rush

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Speaker 1: the passer? Yes? So not Devon Hamilton not fully fought

501
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:14,719
Speaker 1: to cost you. No, you're good there. You don't need

502
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Speaker 1: a you don't need a zero technique. You don't need

503
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Speaker 1: a one technique. You need a three technique. Somebody that

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Speaker 1: can rush the pass. Now, I get that on first

505
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Speaker 1: and second down, okay, and then also on third down

506
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Speaker 1: because on third down, Trayvon Walker can slide inside. Right?

507
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,359
Speaker 1: Maybe right? I mean, I mean, has he shown that

508
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Speaker 1: he can be a dominant inside pass rusher. No, he

509
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Speaker 1: hasn't yet yet. He hasn't shown that he can be

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Speaker 1: a dominant pass rusher. He's got a lot to prove

511
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Speaker 1: this year. This is not a defensive tackle heavy draft.

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Speaker 1: So let's look at number two on your list cornerback. Correct,

513
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Speaker 1: we talk about Tyson Campbell. It's a three cornerback league now,

514
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,440
Speaker 1: it is, I mean, and it's weird to play Nickels

515
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:57,439
Speaker 1: sixty five percent of the time, sixty five percent of

516
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Speaker 1: the time. And the league is slam even more heavily

517
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 1: than that, it seems like over the last year and

518
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,919
Speaker 1: a half, two years, so I would say that it

519
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 1: might even be pushing seventy percent. It's a good draft

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Speaker 1: at the top of the draft for cornerbacks. However, there

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Speaker 1: might be a run before the Jaguards at twenty four,

522
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 1: and you might not see the Joey Porters right who

523
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 1: fits somewhere in the middle on the board, let alone

524
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 1: like Christian Gonzalez, the kid from Oregon who has a

525
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey kind of frame, you know, tall and long.

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Speaker 1: That guy's going to be gone in the top ten, right.

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Speaker 1: But look, look, Brian, if you go back and you

528
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Speaker 1: look at the history of the draft, are there not

529
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Speaker 1: guys that end up being great players later in the

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Speaker 1: first round and then also in the second round. You

531
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Speaker 1: just got to find the right guy, and that's not

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Speaker 1: easy to do it. I mean, the farther back that

533
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 1: you get in the draft, the more difficult it becomes.

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Speaker 1: The percentage just drop that that player is going to be.

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Speaker 1: I mean that's just history shows and we use Gregory

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Speaker 1: Junior from the Watch Top Baptist. It's a percentage's game, right, Okay,

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Speaker 1: So but that to me, that's the number two. Number one.

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00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 1: You need a pass rushing defensive tackle. Number two you

539
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:10,639
Speaker 1: need another corner. Shaq Griffin's gone, right, Okay, he's gone.

540
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 1: You were hoping this past year that you would have

541
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 1: had three with Darius Williams being that third guy. Well,

542
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Speaker 1: is he the second guy now or is he still

543
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 1: a third guy? I don't know. Well, so they talked

544
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Speaker 1: Doug Peterson, um, and I know for a fact that

545
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Speaker 1: Mike Caldwell talked about how much better Williams played when

546
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,920
Speaker 1: they moved him outside. Yeah, he played better. So was

547
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 1: it great? I mean my answer to that is no. Okay,

548
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 1: So I'm not saying that he played poorly, right, I

549
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 1: just think that if if you're satisfied with that being

550
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 1: where you want to be, then you're not where you

551
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 1: need to. I'm just wondering, can you find somebody who

552
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 1: can play outside and inside? Right? I mean, if you

553
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 1: need to take whatever you can find. Okay, so what

554
00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 1: you want to take the best corner that you can find,

555
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Speaker 1: whether that it's an inside guy for for nickel or

556
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 1: if it's an outside guy, and then you make it work.

557
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 1: How do you feel about a safety who can play nickel, Well,

558
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 1: that's great. Brian Branch is the kid from Alabama who

559
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 1: would love it. Everything I hear is he can step

560
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 1: down here, can do that. Well, that's true, but we

561
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 1: saw it last year in Baltimore or their rookie safety

562
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 1: from um was it Notre Dame? Yes? What was his name?

563
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 1: And I should have just just but anyway, he played.

564
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 1: He played safety. Kid. Many people thought he was the

565
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 1: highest rated player in the draft overall point he was

566
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Speaker 1: a top ten ended up falling down a little bit,

567
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 1: but he played safety, and then he actually was when

568
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 1: they went to their nickel package, he stepped most of

569
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Speaker 1: the time. He went in and played the slot position,

570
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 1: which is very rare for a guy that has length

571
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 1: that is a safety to be able to move into

572
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Speaker 1: that position. Well, and that's the kid from Alabama, Branch,

573
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 1: which is why you can do the same thing. Probably

574
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Speaker 1: won't be there when they're sitting there at twenty four.

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Speaker 1: No reason I ask is you know, twenty four is

576
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Speaker 1: such a different position for this team than they've been

577
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 1: in recent years, and so I think you're going to

578
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 1: be in a position there where there's going to be

579
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Speaker 1: a defensive back, a defensive tackle, a tight end. There's

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Speaker 1: probably when you look at at the draft, Okay, the

581
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 1: Jaguars have been amongst the top for many years, they're

582
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Speaker 1: probably were about eight nine guys that the Jaguars could

583
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Speaker 1: have been picking at Leonard fourn As position. Okay, last year,

584
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Speaker 1: there was about four guys that were being talked about

585
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Speaker 1: for the first overall pick. When Trevor's draft class, there

586
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 1: was no question who the pick was going to be.

587
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Speaker 1: But when you get down into the latter part of

588
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Speaker 1: the first round, I think that there are probably ten

589
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 1: to twelve guys that could be candidates. I'm talking about

590
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 1: legitimate candidates for the Jaguars to pick at that position.

591
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Speaker 1: Because at the top of the draft you have kind

592
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 1: of an elite number that can be from seven to

593
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 1: eight to twelve guys that are considered elite players. And

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00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 1: then the draft changes a little bit. Now you start

595
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 1: to get into there's a larger number of guys that

596
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 1: have very similar grades, and so the number of players

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00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 1: that the Jaguars could be considering at that position or

598
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 1: that draft slot, I think is much larger than it

599
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,719
Speaker 1: would have been at the top eight of the draft.

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Speaker 1: So it'll be interesting to see where they pick, or

601
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 1: not where necessarily where they pick, but who they pick

602
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 1: because there are multiple positions that they have to consider

603
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 1: and should consider. Can I give you a thought on

604
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Speaker 1: one of those positions? And it is not defense? The

605
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 1: Chiefs average just under thirty points a game last year.

606
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 1: The Jaguar is just under twenty four. You got to

607
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 1: make up a touchdown. And there's a part of me

608
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 1: and I know I know Doug Peterson's history. You know,

609
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 1: I talked with them a little this week. He's a

610
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Speaker 1: guy who he won down score you. If there's a

611
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 1: tight end sitting there, not a Chris Manherd's type. If

612
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 1: there's a Michael Mayer who is an all around tight end,

613
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 1: he's not don't know Washington to get from they can

614
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 1: catch end block, well, it's probably the most pro ready guy.

615
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 1: Sure would you do that? Sure? Could you find enough

616
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 1: value with a tight end position? Knowing that offensive tackle,

617
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 1: defensive tackle, and corner are premium positions. It's one of

618
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 1: the reasons why that when you have the opportunity and

619
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 1: free agency to plug your holes, you do that so

620
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 1: that you can go into the draft saying, hey, look,

621
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Speaker 1: we just want to take the best player for us,

622
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 1: which you don't want to go in They're saying, you

623
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 1: know what, we don't have a pass rushing defensive tackle.

624
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 1: You know what, we don't have a third corner. You

625
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,479
Speaker 1: go ahead and you you and you fill those holes

626
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 1: in free agency, whether it's guys on one year deals

627
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 1: or a two year deal for you know, a bargain

628
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 1: type player or a veteran player that's just looking for

629
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 1: a little bigger pay day in the second years, probably

630
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 1: going to go away, and then you can go into

631
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Speaker 1: the draft seeking exactly the best player that you can

632
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Speaker 1: find for your situation. Yeah. Absolutely, if I'm sitting but

633
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 1: but but Brian, I want to find some of those

634
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 1: guys that we talked about, right, because I had pass

635
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 1: rushing defensive tackle right at number one for this team's

636
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 1: corner number two, corner number two, you had blocking tight

637
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Speaker 1: end number three, blocking tight end number three, or I'll

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Speaker 1: take any kind of a talented tight end, right, Okay,

639
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 1: you had any type of pass rusher at four right,

640
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 1: which which means that this team needs two inside rushers.

641
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 1: Or look if you can get a talented guy on

642
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 1: the outside right, because that's kind of what arden Key

643
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 1: was for you too. And then you've got Smoot, who's

644
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 1: going to be coming back from a pretty significant injury.

645
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 1: You need some depth there. And then number five is

646
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 1: that Walker Little was an excellent swing tackle. Last swing tackle.

647
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 1: Now you don't have a swing tackle. Ask a question,

648
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 1: would you be at twenty four if one of the

649
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 1: tackles slide? There's some good tackles in this draft? Um,

650
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 1: I think the kid from Tennessee, Darnell watt Is is

651
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 1: a guy who kind of fits in that, you know,

652
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 1: nineteen to twenty five kind of range. Would it take

653
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:16,280
Speaker 1: a young offensive tackle? I would Again, if I'm filling

654
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 1: the best player available, If I'm filling my holes with

655
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 1: free agency, knowing that he's probably not gonna get on

656
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 1: the field this year and help you this year, well

657
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 1: why couldn't I put him a guard? I guess you could.

658
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about I don't know whether this kid

659
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:30,399
Speaker 1: can play guard. I'm not talking about replacing you know,

660
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 1: you know veteran. Okay, you're the guy that you've paid

661
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 1: in free agency last year. Okay, because Sheriff's a good

662
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 1: football play anybody even healthy. Last year we're talking about

663
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 1: it the other side. But Shatley played very well, right,

664
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong. And I want to keep Shatley

665
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,879
Speaker 1: because I think he's an excellent backup and I think

666
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,319
Speaker 1: ben Barts could use some competition. Well, here's one for you.

667
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 1: The word was, if they had been able to keep

668
00:34:54,440 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 1: Juwan Taylor, that Walker Little could have played inside at guard.

669
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,360
Speaker 1: Did you make Walker guard if you take an offensive tackle.

670
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 1: I haven't seen that, Okay, you know, I mean I

671
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,320
Speaker 1: would love to say yeah that. I don't know your perspective.

672
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 1: I thought I thought his skill set is tackle. Okay,

673
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 1: But then again, I remember when Ogden played guard. I'm like,

674
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 1: there's no way nine and he didn't really really good too,

675
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 1: and he did it really well, so, but playing guards

676
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 1: a little different, and Ogden was just it's a freak, yeah,

677
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 1: six foot nine and he could get down in his

678
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 1: day guard. He's one of the few guys that ever

679
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 1: played against that. When I was getting ready to pass

680
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 1: rush him, I had absolutely no clue what I was

681
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 1: going to try to use because I didn't feel confident

682
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,799
Speaker 1: anything worse, right, because he could reach around you. He

683
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 1: had the longest, got pretty good sized hands. Yeah, but

684
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 1: his hands were so big, and you know, Basselli's a

685
00:35:56,560 --> 00:36:00,399
Speaker 1: big guy. Yeah, but when you saw Ogden, he's next

686
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:05,240
Speaker 1: to Basselli, he was bigger, freakishly huge. And you remember,

687
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 1: by the way, just to give people some old timers,

688
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 1: when the Jaguars signed Leon Serious in nineteen ninety six,

689
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 1: they moved Brian DeMarco, who's a big guy, six foot seven,

690
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,840
Speaker 1: three thirty. He couldn't bend, he couldn't play guard. He

691
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 1: struggled at guard. Rich Tilsky took over midway through the season. Yeah,

692
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 1: well okay, but Brian had no ability and Jonathan's bigger

693
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:30,319
Speaker 1: than him, and Jonathan could play guard. So I just

694
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,359
Speaker 1: it's just an interesting conversation to see because the next

695
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,399
Speaker 1: couple of weeks the Jaguars board is pretty much set.

696
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 1: They're doing the fine tuning at this point, trying to

697
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 1: figure out, you know, what they need and where it

698
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 1: can go. Um. I think if they taken off into tackle,

699
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 1: people are gonna go what right, Yeah, it's not sexy, No,

700
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 1: doesn't that doesn't sell tickets. It doesn't. But you know

701
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 1: you got you got, you got a pretty significant investment

702
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 1: at quarterback, right, Yeah, you gotta keep him up, right?

703
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 1: Is it? Is it ever a bad thing to get

704
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:01,720
Speaker 1: a guy that it's just gonna help protect your quarterback

705
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 1: of the stature that you think he is. Hey, what

706
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 1: would be sexy here? Is it Michael Mayer or the

707
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 1: Darnell Washington kid, the big six foot seven you know,

708
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 1: Marcedes Lewis kind of guy at at Georgia. I just

709
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 1: more weapons for this quarterback with you, we saw how,

710
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 1: we saw how the Colts did it for years. They

711
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 1: spent money and time and draft picks on offense and

712
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 1: on defense. They had two guys occasionally three, but Robert

713
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 1: Mathis and Dwight Freeney. Dwight Freeney, oh man, that was

714
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 1: all it took. They were playing with the lead all

715
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 1: the combination because they're a front running path and they

716
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 1: had perfect It worked out perfect. Yeah, let's see what

717
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 1: they do. Hey, when we come back. I've spent some

718
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 1: time this week work on some alumni stuff, and I

719
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 1: spent a good bit of time with a couple of

720
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 1: guys and a conversation sparked, and I want to get

721
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 1: your perspective on the conversation, and and and this is

722
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:57,399
Speaker 1: something folks, I probably want to chime in on, So

723
00:37:57,840 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 1: get ready for it, folks. The question is coming up

724
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 1: next here on Jaguars Happy Hour on the Jaguars Digital Network.

725
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:09,840
Speaker 1: All right, word is out now, That word is out

726
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:13,320
Speaker 1: that Klais Campbell that you kind of subtly hinted at

727
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 1: when I win CC was in the building today. I

728
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,280
Speaker 1: guess Demitris Harvey from the Times Junion has has tweeted,

729
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,799
Speaker 1: So no sense in hiding it. Yeah, that it would

730
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 1: be fun, right, it'd be awesome. What could he do

731
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 1: rush the passer from the defensive tackles? Fun? Oh, he

732
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 1: would let you like number one need, Yes, number one need. Yeah.

733
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Speaker 1: There there's you know, there's a perfect example of a

734
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:38,720
Speaker 1: guy that I think he's still got a place here. Yeah,

735
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:42,319
Speaker 1: is that point in his career where he wants to win? Hey,

736
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 1: this team, he had his last professional season here in

737
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen. No doubt he's still productive. Yea. He still

738
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 1: has a lot of respect in this locker room. I

739
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 1: think he's got great respect in the community. I think

740
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:59,320
Speaker 1: he's at the point in his career that money matters,

741
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 1: but it's not everything, and this team is in a

742
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 1: situation where money's not everything for And if you're Kalais,

743
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:08,439
Speaker 1: I mean, Atlanta is a great city to live in, right,

744
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 1: but their quarterback is des been ridder if you had

745
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 1: the chance to come back here, by the way, open

746
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 1: a brand new practice facility, right, so, world class facility

747
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 1: with a quarterback at the very tail end of your

748
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 1: career in a place could be wrong. But my guess

749
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 1: is a lot of people who are listening to this

750
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 1: right now would put Calais in the pride of the

751
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 1: Jaguars at some point in time. For that season that

752
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 1: he was a part of beautiful. I mean, it was

753
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 1: one of the most amazing seasons. And you know when

754
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 1: we talk talk, me and a lot of guys that

755
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 1: have played the game for this football team have had

756
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 1: the conversation about the great Jaguars and we put him

757
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 1: on that there. Yeah, I mean, he's had tremendous, tremendous

758
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 1: production for this football team. Well, this helps me translate

759
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,840
Speaker 1: to the the alumni conversation because I've been working on

760
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 1: the next edition of the Alumni newsletter. A lot of

761
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 1: your former teammates, guys that I know that you are

762
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 1: very fond of. I spent some time yesterday, But first

763
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:03,760
Speaker 1: of all, I spent some time today with big Rich Callier.

764
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I can't wait to write this story.

765
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 1: The biggest smile, the happiest person, the best perspective. Rich

766
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:13,760
Speaker 1: call he was fifteen years ago, that he was shot

767
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 1: fourteen times. It is absolutely crazy. He loves his teammates,

768
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,360
Speaker 1: His teammates love him. It's a great story. I have

769
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 1: to find a way to write that for the website too.

770
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 1: It's one of the one of the greatest personalities that's

771
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:28,240
Speaker 1: ever been here. Unbelievable. And we sat and told stories.

772
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 1: In fact, I had to go. I have to go,

773
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 1: and he was telling most of them, not me. But

774
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:35,279
Speaker 1: I spent some time with James story yesterday, and since

775
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 1: the Jaguars are signed the Ernest Johnson, a running back,

776
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 1: James and I were just talking about the long list

777
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 1: of running backs, the running back culture that they have here.

778
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:48,279
Speaker 1: Right it starts with James first round pick. Let me

779
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 1: let me just say this real quick. Yeah, it would

780
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 1: have been a lot better. Are you going to tell

781
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:55,479
Speaker 1: the story about the sleeve on the arm? I will

782
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:57,319
Speaker 1: but it would have been a lot better if we

783
00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 1: were talking about the great quarterback culture that you have

784
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 1: had here. Okay, I see what you mean. Yeah, yeah,

785
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 1: we're about running backs. But there's been some great running

786
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:08,760
Speaker 1: backs here. And it all started with Nats with Stuart

787
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 1: and Natron right um, And they were a one two combo.

788
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 1: And I think Nate allowed Stu to kind of gain

789
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:18,320
Speaker 1: his footing a little bit, you know, because there was

790
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 1: a lot of pressure I think early on with James.

791
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 1: You know, he's the first round pick, He's got a

792
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 1: produced in the first year, he did a good job. Yeah,

793
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 1: but then getting Nate I think really helped because I

794
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:31,959
Speaker 1: believe it's this league you gotta have two backs. Having

795
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 1: two backs took some pressure off of Stu. And Stu's

796
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:39,399
Speaker 1: a super guy. Thirty three touchdowns, which is amazing, which

797
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 1: by the way, was his jersey number. He's a good dude,

798
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 1: very true, good dude. By the way, he is one

799
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 1: of those guys who looks like he could still play,

800
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 1: no doubt. He's got a personal training business out on

801
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 1: Mayport Road. He is by far the greatest old guy

802
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 1: that played the game for the Jaguars as far as

803
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:00,280
Speaker 1: when you look at him. He's amazing and he tells

804
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:01,879
Speaker 1: me all the time. Because I'm an old school guy,

805
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 1: That's why I got along with Coughlin. He was great.

806
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 1: It's another story I'm really looking forward to write. So

807
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 1: Stu and Nate and then here comes Fred. And I

808
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 1: don't think any of us had to sing the praises

809
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:16,240
Speaker 1: or describe the virtues of Fred. You saw it right away.

810
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 1: I remember talking to you in the locker room. I

811
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 1: remember where your locker was, and he's saying, tell me

812
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 1: about twenty eight and You're like, what do I need

813
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:23,840
Speaker 1: to tell you? Can't you see it for yourself? And

814
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 1: the one thing I remember about Fred was the speed

815
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:31,400
Speaker 1: was just unbelievable. Yeah, but he got got dinged up

816
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 1: a little bit this first year and was in the

817
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:34,879
Speaker 1: training room. I was kind of having a hard time

818
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 1: with Justine and was having a pretty emotional moment. I

819
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 1: was thinking that he may get cut. And I went

820
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 1: to Fred and had a conversation with him and it's like, hey,

821
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:47,360
Speaker 1: you know what's going on? And he told me and

822
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 1: he said, man, I don't know if I'm gonna get cut.

823
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:51,840
Speaker 1: And I said, whoa with Fred? Hit the breaks, buddy.

824
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:54,919
Speaker 1: First of all, you're a first round pick and you're

825
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,879
Speaker 1: not getting cut. Okay, But I mean, you know that's

826
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 1: the kind of the fear that Kauflin kind of was instilling.

827
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 1: You're sat Thomas instead shocking that he would. But but

828
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 1: Noel was. You know, I told my self explanatory. I

829
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 1: have a seventeen and an eighteen year old in the

830
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 1: house right now, and I told them today, we're gonna

831
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 1: have this conversation tonight, so they're probably listening. And I

832
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:21,320
Speaker 1: remember saying, if Fred was twenty three and a second

833
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 1: year player today, he'd be the best running back in football. Yeah,

834
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 1: went stop stops great. Fred Taylor is in an entirely

835
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:35,319
Speaker 1: different atmosphere than How can you say that because I

836
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 1: watched him. The only thing that Fred I think that

837
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 1: hampered his career, when I say hampered, would have helped

838
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:46,799
Speaker 1: him if he scored more touchdowns. But a lot of

839
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 1: times when they got into that area, they took him

840
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:54,319
Speaker 1: out right. They gave touchdowns in ninety nine, which is

841
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 1: why he had thirty three touchdowns, because he was the

842
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 1: guy that was used in that situation. For some reason,

843
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 1: Fred was taken out. The game breaking speed and the

844
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 1: open field running ability that Fred had would just light

845
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 1: this game on fire the way it is right now,

846
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 1: if you're listening, I told you, I told you he

847
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 1: would be the best. Okay, move on before anyone can

848
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 1: count me on that one more mojo and then you

849
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:22,320
Speaker 1: had the the tandem. Yeah, so it a few two

850
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Speaker 1: and seven. This team has always been at his best

851
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Speaker 1: when it's had a tandem one hundred and fifty four

852
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 1: point six yards per game, which allowed David Garrard to

853
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Speaker 1: step into the starting job that year if you recall

854
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Speaker 1: and just do what he could do, which that's a

855
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Speaker 1: conversation and the story in and of himself a whole

856
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Speaker 1: night of that. But David David played great that year. Yeah,

857
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Speaker 1: and he could because he could lean on the running game, right, Yes,

858
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Speaker 1: And then after m j. D Steps away, you have

859
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Speaker 1: a lull at the running back position, and then all

860
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Speaker 1: of a sudden they spend a fourth overall pick on

861
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Speaker 1: Leonard Fournette, and Fournette was the one guy. Let me

862
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Speaker 1: go back a little bit, because if you go back

863
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Speaker 1: to the early Jaguar years, the one guy that I

864
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:06,839
Speaker 1: thought was really gonna add to the backfield that never

865
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Speaker 1: had an opportunity, that had a significant knee Andry. Do

866
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Speaker 1: you remember the name Stacy Back Nope? Are you talking

867
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Speaker 1: about the kid from from southern Nope. And he had

868
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:23,400
Speaker 1: blonde hair. Oh, you just totally Banks. Tavian Banks. I

869
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 1: talked to him not long ago again in the alumni capacity.

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Speaker 1: He is a very successful y MCA regional director in

871
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Speaker 1: his hometown of Sioux City, Iowa. Awesome he is. He

872
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 1: is running youth programs. He was interested in in a

873
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 1: job here in Jacksonville with the Jaguars, but he was

874
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 1: way it was below his ability level, right, he was

875
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 1: way too overqualified for it. Tavian Banks is a tremendous

876
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 1: success story away from from the great guy. Great guy

877
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 1: and uh and I always thought that he was gonna

878
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 1: be that X factor back for this football team. And

879
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 1: then it was a touchdown against the Giants here in

880
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 1: the preseason where he reversed field and leapt over a

881
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 1: defensive tackle. And it was a preseason games this guy

882
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 1: hit him out of bounds. Oh, you're talking about when

883
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 1: he got hurt. That was Ray um No, that was

884
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 1: that was in Atlanta at the end of the regular season. Ray.

885
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 1: It was the corner Ray Ray McLeod no, not Bentley,

886
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:22,360
Speaker 1: but it was Um, it was out of bounds. It

887
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 1: was out of bounds. But it was in December, it

888
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 1: was a regular season game. It was like, what are

889
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 1: you doing? Why was he in the game. It was

890
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 1: like two yards meaningless point of game. Yeah, but it

891
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 1: was about a yard and a half two yards out

892
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 1: of bounds that this this hit occurred at place and

893
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 1: it was like, oh my god, just ruined the guy's career.

894
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 1: The only time I've ever flown home on I don't

895
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 1: even think it was flagged. I don't recall if it was.

896
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 1: I remember hearing Tavian Banks moan the whole way home

897
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 1: from Atlanta. It was a short but you could hear it.

898
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 1: And then and I told Tavan this when I talked

899
00:46:57,080 --> 00:47:01,839
Speaker 1: to him, Um, never saw you again, Never saw you again.

900
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:03,880
Speaker 1: And we got to wrap up the great Guy, Great

901
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:07,839
Speaker 1: Guy one more. And that's ETN where they are right now.

902
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,800
Speaker 1: I mean, they just this franchise has a nice history

903
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 1: of really talented running backs. And we'll take a break

904
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Speaker 1: and come back and wrap this show up right after this.

905
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 1: All right, back to a wrap up this wandering edition

906
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 1: of Jaguars this week. I'm sorry, I'm happy how it

907
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:28,360
Speaker 1: feels like the old days going down memory road. We

908
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 1: could do that with a lot of positions, you know

909
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 1: where there's been some talent here, but that running back

910
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 1: thing just stands out, and James Stewart sparked it also, Stu,

911
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 1: if you're listening, thanks, I appreciate that next couple of

912
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 1: weeks really important for this franchise because if they're going

913
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 1: to be draft and developed, it isn't just And this

914
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:48,919
Speaker 1: is something Rich Collier told me today when we talked.

915
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 1: He was an undrafted rookie when he came out of

916
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:52,759
Speaker 1: Al Dawsta and you were the first one to point

917
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:54,840
Speaker 1: him out. You point him out of the practice for

918
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 1: You're like, look at that big guy there, he can play,

919
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:58,319
Speaker 1: And I went, how can you tell he's not even

920
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:01,439
Speaker 1: in past? Look at his feet? He could move his feet.

921
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Speaker 1: They found him. And Rich told me today that James

922
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 1: Harris and Jack Dorio told him two weeks before the draft,

923
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Speaker 1: we're not drafting a tackle. If you're not drafted. We

924
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 1: would like you to come back here and be one

925
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:16,279
Speaker 1: of our priority rookie free agent signings. And he said

926
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Speaker 1: the reason that he did was because they were the

927
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Speaker 1: only people that didn't blow smoke at him, who said

928
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Speaker 1: that's where I want to go. What they said they

929
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 1: were gonna do, what was going to happen, and they

930
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:28,840
Speaker 1: did it. So Trent Balky and his staff and they

931
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 1: know this, this is not news. They have got to

932
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Speaker 1: do an amazing job the next couple of years, not

933
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Speaker 1: just with their draft picks, but with those guys like

934
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Speaker 1: Richard Callier. Where you go and mind guys that come in.

935
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Speaker 1: They might not be stars, but they might come in

936
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Speaker 1: and be really important role players. Or he had a

937
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 1: running back that was just here not long ago that

938
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Speaker 1: ended up getting you a draft pick in a trade

939
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 1: and was very productive. And Jay Rob Yeah, you have

940
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 1: to find guys like that because the percentages are obviously

941
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Speaker 1: with draft picks. But the reality is is that you've

942
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Speaker 1: got to win. You've got to try to beat some

943
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 1: of those percentages. I don't know what the success rate

944
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Speaker 1: is on first round picks, but it keeps dropping in

945
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Speaker 1: a significant way the farther down the draft you get,

946
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Speaker 1: and it continues to drop drastically when you have underdraft. Well,

947
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Speaker 1: and the irony is, we're gonna talk so much. You

948
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Speaker 1: got to hit someone in the draft about the first

949
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:23,919
Speaker 1: round pick, right number twenty four, but the second third, fourth, fifth.

950
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:27,799
Speaker 1: Those are incredibly important draft picks. You've got to hit

951
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 1: on those guys because they replenish your cap. You're supposed

952
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 1: to you're supposed to draft starters in the first three

953
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Speaker 1: rounds starter, starter, starter, and then when you get to

954
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 1: the fourth, you're supposed to draft a contributor, and then

955
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 1: you try to hope to get something after that. So

956
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:45,919
Speaker 1: you need to hit where you can. It's fun ons

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Speaker 1: tack next Thursday off, I can sit it again. JP

958
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Speaker 1: is is he he's probably he's lay coming back right now.

959
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Speaker 1: He's listening right now. He's like, I'll be there next

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00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:54,720
Speaker 1: week's nexton. You can take it off for Jeff Logaman

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Speaker 1: and Joe Fortunato, thanks so much, appreciate it. Jaguars Happy

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Speaker 1: Hour is finished. A