WEBVTT - The Stinky History of Human Hygiene

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff you Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, and Welcome to the podcast. So I'm Josh, and

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<v Speaker 2>there's Chuck and Jerry's here too, and we're all sparkling, clean,

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<v Speaker 2>spotless and not smelly at all for this edition of Stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>don't you know?

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<v Speaker 1>Actually I'm a little smelly today.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you smell? Pull? I think you're you're nice, I

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<v Speaker 2>would say ripe, but not in an unpleasant way.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh wait, you didn't scratch. You're supposed to scratch then stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh oh oh wait, oh yes, that is quite unpleasant.

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<v Speaker 1>That tickles. All right, that was my joke.

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<v Speaker 2>That was a great joke. Chuck, now you think so too,

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<v Speaker 2>But she's on mute so we can't hear her laughing.

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<v Speaker 1>I am a little bit smelly, but that was not

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<v Speaker 1>in preparation to record it. Just haven showered in a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of days.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, a couple of days for real?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean yeah, like two days.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, I mean I'm not being judgy. I'm just surprised.

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<v Speaker 2>I do every day.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh I'll skip. I skip days all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>But when I do it, it's all over the place.

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<v Speaker 2>Like if I have an appointment in the morning, obviously

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<v Speaker 2>I'm taking a shower before that. If I don't have

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<v Speaker 2>an appointment, I'll probably take a shower before bed. If

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<v Speaker 2>we go to dinner, it might be in the middle

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<v Speaker 2>of the day. Who knows it based on my schedule.

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<v Speaker 2>But there's rarely a day that goes by where I

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<v Speaker 2>don't take a shower. Not because I think it's dirty

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<v Speaker 2>to not take a shower, sure, but because I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like I think I just sleep better if I've had

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<v Speaker 2>a shower that day. If I don't, I think I

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<v Speaker 2>sleep worse.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, well, a shower is a great, wonderful,

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<v Speaker 1>relaxing thing when you're an adult, when you finally appreciate bathing.

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<v Speaker 1>And I certainly do appreciate bathing, but you know, sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>you just or maybe you don't because you do it.

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<v Speaker 1>But sometimes I just don't want to feel wet. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to get wet.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, yeah, I know what you mean. I that

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't actually happen to me. Mine is I do. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't feel like going to the trouble of taking a shower.

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<v Speaker 2>I just feel like feeling like I feel after the shower.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's my motivator. I have no problem with being wet,

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<v Speaker 2>now that you mentioned it.

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<v Speaker 1>Shower before bed, that's nice. I should do that.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, chuck, you don't know what you're missing. Shower

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<v Speaker 2>before bed, wrap yourself in some fresh linen that you

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<v Speaker 2>throw away the next.

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<v Speaker 1>Day and it doesn't wake you up too bad.

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<v Speaker 2>No, well, I would not recommend taking a cold shower

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<v Speaker 2>before bed. I recommend taking a cold shower throughout the day,

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<v Speaker 2>but not before bed. You want to take like a nice,

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<v Speaker 2>tepid to warm a shower, and it's like it's like

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<v Speaker 2>it's like dipping yourself into a warm glass of milk

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<v Speaker 2>rather than drinking it.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Well, at the risk of still going on

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<v Speaker 1>and on here at the beginning, I have a five

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<v Speaker 1>second story of living in Athens one summer in my

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<v Speaker 1>friend's place who had moved out, and he was like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, my parents paid the rent. You don't have

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<v Speaker 1>a place to stay. You should stay there, And I did,

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<v Speaker 1>but he could off the utilities. So I lived by

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<v Speaker 1>candlelight and took cold showers for three months, because that's

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<v Speaker 1>what you do in college. Sometimes that's so colonial. It

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<v Speaker 1>was very fun.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually, that's cool. Yeah, so you basically glamed.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I didn't hang out there a lot, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I just slept there, basically.

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<v Speaker 2>Slept there, and the cold showers. That's amazing. Yeah, so Chuck,

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<v Speaker 2>you taking cold showers and sleeping by candlelight really kind

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<v Speaker 2>of dovetails with a large section of this episode. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>which is around, like I said, the colonial era, which

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<v Speaker 2>we'll get to later. I don't really have a very

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<v Speaker 2>good segue other than this because we actually don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about the colonial era yet, so let's start

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<v Speaker 2>further back.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we're talking about the history of hygiene. And this

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<v Speaker 1>is another great one from Olivia. I've been not obsessed,

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<v Speaker 1>but just really interested lately in histories of commonplace things,

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<v Speaker 1>and exercise was one, and now we're doing bathing. And

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<v Speaker 1>as Olivia points out, and as many anthropologists that pointed out,

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<v Speaker 1>and animal behaviorists, you know, animals before human beings have

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of practices that we would then probably can

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<v Speaker 1>call hygienic, like bathing type of things, using communal toilets

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<v Speaker 1>within a species, stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Absolutely. There's a behavioral scientist named Valerie A. Curtis

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<v Speaker 2>who wrote a book or not a book. I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>it was a paper about I can't remember the name

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<v Speaker 2>of it. I'm sorry, I thought I wrote it down.

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<v Speaker 2>But basically Curtis makes the point that you could trace

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<v Speaker 2>hygiene and hygienic behaviors back to unicellular life, Like, that's

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<v Speaker 2>how old it is. Is Wow, you look at hygiene

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<v Speaker 2>and hygienic behaviors as a means of either ridding yourself

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<v Speaker 2>of disease or preventing disease, because those unicellular bacteria or bacteria,

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<v Speaker 2>they had ways of like getting rid of parasites and pastigens.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's essentially what you're doing. You know, when you're

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<v Speaker 2>washing yourself off, you're ridding yourself of parasites and pathogens. So, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a really ancient impulse that we have. It's just

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<v Speaker 2>now we don't think of it as like disease prevention.

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<v Speaker 2>We associate it mostly with beauty. Yeah, so we've kind

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<v Speaker 2>of divorced it from its original roots, but we're still

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<v Speaker 2>doing the same thing. We're just not thinking of it

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<v Speaker 2>the same way.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And it's interesting you'll notice as we go through

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<v Speaker 1>this stuff. At different times in the history of humans,

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<v Speaker 1>we bathed for different reasons, and sometimes we were right

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<v Speaker 1>on base. Sometimes we were off base. But it wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>always like to get clean. Sometimes it was social reason.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes the side benefit was you got a little clean.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes they didn't bathe because they thought water was bad.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's really interesting how we've i don't know, kind

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<v Speaker 1>of been all over the map throughout human history as

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<v Speaker 1>far as bathing goes, starting with hair.

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<v Speaker 2>Well also, but even before that, like it's kind of

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<v Speaker 2>waxed and waned, which I didn't realize. I thought it

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<v Speaker 2>was just a steady progress towards the point we're at.

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<v Speaker 2>Now that's not the case. There were a shower every night, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>they were right exactly. There were chunks of time where

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<v Speaker 2>we bathed, and then that just kind of went away,

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<v Speaker 2>like you were saying, it just at different times and places.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't just like a linear progression. And one of

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<v Speaker 2>the ideas that we're I guess going to kind of

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<v Speaker 2>get rid of in this episode is that the people

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<v Speaker 2>in the days of your historical people were not just dirty,

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<v Speaker 2>gross people who had never even occurred to to groom

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<v Speaker 2>or bathe or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>Like.

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<v Speaker 2>The stuff they had available to them and the ways

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<v Speaker 2>that they were grooming seems not quite enough, probably did

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<v Speaker 2>those of us in the West today, but it was

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<v Speaker 2>still the same impulse, it was still the same thought,

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<v Speaker 2>and they were still very fastidious in their own way.

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<v Speaker 2>So the idea that everybody was gross back then is wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>It actually they were in a real minority. And most

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<v Speaker 2>people who are purposefully gross, especially during the medieval era,

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<v Speaker 2>we're doing it to punish themselves to be better Christians. Essentially,

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<v Speaker 2>everybody else was like, we're gonna just figure out how

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<v Speaker 2>to take a bath in the river or comb our hair.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly. And you know, on the note of not

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<v Speaker 1>yucking yems, there are plenty of people, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>even sub movements of groups of people who don't like

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<v Speaker 1>to bathe or you soaper deodorant and embrace the natural

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<v Speaker 1>odors of the body and may not even wash their

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<v Speaker 1>hair because that's the thing they're trying to do. Like

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<v Speaker 1>that's your jam. That's fine, it's you know, certain things

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<v Speaker 1>are more acceptable than others in certain societies and cultures.

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<v Speaker 1>But like, if that's your deal, we're not poopooing it.

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<v Speaker 1>We're just telling you the history of this stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I feel like you're subtweeting the French right now.

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<v Speaker 1>But I mentioned hair, and one of the first things

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<v Speaker 1>we can debunk, I think anthe in part to an

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<v Speaker 1>anthropologist named Judith Berman from a nineteen ninety nine paper

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<v Speaker 1>that Judith wrote was that cavemen, even going all the

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<v Speaker 1>way back then, and we'll use that in quotes, cavemen

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<v Speaker 1>were just these wild, messy haired beasts that had like

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<v Speaker 1>you know, basically birds nest in their hair. And that

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't necessarily the case.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I mean, look at even as recently as Unfrozen

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<v Speaker 2>caveman Lawyer. He had a huge, wild mane of hair.

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<v Speaker 2>But yes, she points out in this great titled paper

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<v Speaker 2>Bad Hair Days in the Paleolithic that people have probably

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<v Speaker 2>been cutting their hair for a very long time, millions

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<v Speaker 2>of years, and that even I think Berman pointed to

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<v Speaker 2>Venus figurines saying like they even had different hair styles

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<v Speaker 2>back then, Like this is literal prehistory. These are prehistoric people,

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<v Speaker 2>and they were cutting their own hair, they were creating hairstyles.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you look at some cave paintings, some of

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<v Speaker 2>the figures are beardless, others have beards, So that shows

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<v Speaker 2>that they actually also cut the bes and trim their

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<v Speaker 2>their body hair, probably because they were combating lice at

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<v Speaker 2>the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, lice comes back quite a few times, so yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they're probably If you're triggered by that itch inducing word,

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<v Speaker 1>then just get ready.

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<v Speaker 2>And also just real quick lice. By the way, are

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<v Speaker 2>there a type of wingless insects who feast on human blood,

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<v Speaker 2>typically at the scalp. But there's also body lice, which

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<v Speaker 2>you can find a chest hair and aren't pit hair.

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<v Speaker 2>And then there's pubic lice also known as crabs. Either way,

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<v Speaker 2>you don't want them anywhere on your body, but if

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<v Speaker 2>you don't bathe a lot, you can have them on

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<v Speaker 2>your body pretty easy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And if you grew up in the seventies and eighties,

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<v Speaker 1>do they still do life checks?

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<v Speaker 2>No?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we had lice checks in school.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a big controversy about it about whether they should

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<v Speaker 2>or not, and they're like, no, this is unnecessarily excluding kids,

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<v Speaker 2>and other parents are like, uh, these kids are gonna

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<v Speaker 2>spread lice. So there's just like everything else, there's problems

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<v Speaker 2>in debate at the board of education about that.

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<v Speaker 1>There's debate at boards of educations.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>So combing hair, you know, shampoo hasn't been around that long,

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<v Speaker 1>and we'll get to sort of where that came from,

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you Proctor and Gamble, But combing hair was one

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<v Speaker 1>way that they sort of cared for hair before there

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<v Speaker 1>was things like shampoo because we have this sebum which

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<v Speaker 1>we'll talk about on the skin and in the hair.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the oil, the hair oil. And if you comb

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<v Speaker 1>that sebum out of your hair, you are helping to

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<v Speaker 1>protect your hair, can get rid of some odors, it will,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you know, when you don't want your hair

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<v Speaker 1>look and get kind of greasy. But I get the

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<v Speaker 1>feeling that greasy thing is more of a modern thing

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<v Speaker 1>that we want to get rid of. And back then

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<v Speaker 1>it was just like, at least comb the sebum through

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<v Speaker 1>the hair to help protect it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it helps protect it. It also breaks up areas

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<v Speaker 2>where dirt and dust and grime and light lice can

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<v Speaker 2>collect and feed. So you're kind of you're doing like

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<v Speaker 2>a one two punch with combing. And we figured this

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<v Speaker 2>out a very long time ago. There's a comb from

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<v Speaker 2>Syria from the well a little more recent than that,

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<v Speaker 2>but from the Bronze Age. We found a comb that

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<v Speaker 2>had an inscription that said, may this tusk root out

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<v Speaker 2>the lice of the hair and beard. So clearly a

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<v Speaker 2>lice comb. But I think they, like you were saying,

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<v Speaker 2>they found a comb that was at least ten thousand

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<v Speaker 2>years old, all the way back in Syria.

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<v Speaker 1>It's an old comb.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, if you think about it, also look at

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<v Speaker 2>the flintstones. People used to use fish skeletons for combs,

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<v Speaker 2>Like it just makes sense, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure Simpsons always. I never was cool enough to carry

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<v Speaker 1>the comb in the back pocket. But that was a

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<v Speaker 1>big eighties look was that?

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<v Speaker 2>H m hmm?

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<v Speaker 1>What was the brand? I want to say, Goodies? Was

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<v Speaker 1>that it?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, you're right, yep, good was it?

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<v Speaker 1>So they make headache powder and combs two different things.

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<v Speaker 2>It could be two different things, but it's also possible.

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<v Speaker 2>But they're like ge they they do a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>different stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>They bring it things to light.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, those combs with the handle and then like

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<v Speaker 2>the comb on the side just above where your fist

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<v Speaker 2>holds it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, sure yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And then you also had the afropick too.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, with the black power fist. Those are great.

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<v Speaker 1>So pre shampoo though, besides combing, there was washing going on.

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<v Speaker 1>We talked about this stuff in our soap episode. We're

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<v Speaker 1>going to go over a little bit of it today.

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<v Speaker 1>But ash, which has lye was used to wash hair,

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<v Speaker 1>It was used to wash skin. We'll get into the

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<v Speaker 1>animal fat stuff a little bit later, but if you

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<v Speaker 1>were well to do prior to the French Revolution, you

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<v Speaker 1>might powder your hair, and I never knew what that was.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought it was some kind of talk, but I

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<v Speaker 1>think it could actually be flour, like wheat flour.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, supposedly. One of the I guess inciting ideas

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<v Speaker 2>of the French Revolution was that the aristocrats were using

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<v Speaker 2>flour in their hair when other people couldn't even have

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<v Speaker 2>for bread. That really ticked some people off enough to

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<v Speaker 2>like chop the heads off of the people who had

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<v Speaker 2>flour in their hair. That's right, So you mentioned LII.

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<v Speaker 2>I saw that you could wash your hair with it,

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<v Speaker 2>and it has a conditioning effect too, which is weird

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<v Speaker 2>because it also goes in and breaks up all of

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<v Speaker 2>that seabum pocket I heard the pockets. But I just

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<v Speaker 2>have to say this on a very personal note. I

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<v Speaker 2>have been in a strange tunnel where things that I'm

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<v Speaker 2>seeing reading, watching on TV I immediately see in real life.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to give you two examples. One on our

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<v Speaker 2>exercise episode, I was driving around qaing it.

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<v Speaker 1>When you saw a guy jogging.

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<v Speaker 2>No, listen, that would have blown my mind. No, this

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<v Speaker 2>is even crazier than that. I mentioned what I couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>even remember the name of but people have since written

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<v Speaker 2>in the abroller, that little weird thing that helps you

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<v Speaker 2>do crunches. I couldn't even remember the name of it,

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<v Speaker 2>let alone. I can't remember the last time I saw one.

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<v Speaker 2>Within an hour of queueing that episode and hearing that part,

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<v Speaker 2>I drove past a garbage can near my house that

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<v Speaker 2>had an abroller sticking out of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you grab it?

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<v Speaker 2>No? I was too astonished. I think I almost like

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<v Speaker 2>ran into a stop sign. It was so nuts. And

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<v Speaker 2>then the other one that The reason I brought this

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<v Speaker 2>up is I watched a video on medieval hair washing

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<v Speaker 2>and it was this medieval person leaning over a basin

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<v Speaker 2>washing her hair with like the water kind of going

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<v Speaker 2>down her hair kind of dangling in front of her like.

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<v Speaker 2>Less than an hour later, I go across the street

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<v Speaker 2>to the park where there's like travelers that camp there.

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<v Speaker 2>One of them was washing her hair that way. I've

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<v Speaker 2>never seen her there before. I've never seen anybody wash

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<v Speaker 2>their hair at this park. But within an hour of

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<v Speaker 2>watching a medieval woman wash her hair like that, I

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<v Speaker 2>saw a real life woman at the park doing the

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<v Speaker 2>same thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, I mean this has been These.

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<v Speaker 2>Are like two of just fistfuls of examples that have

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<v Speaker 2>been happening to me. I don't know what's going on.

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<v Speaker 1>I love it podcast imitates life or life imitates podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, pretty much.

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<v Speaker 1>Well with body hair, I'm curious to see what else

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<v Speaker 1>comes true with this one. But with body hair, it

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<v Speaker 1>kind of depends on the time and place in the world,

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<v Speaker 1>on whether or not people thought it was should be

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<v Speaker 1>on your body or should not, And that continues today

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<v Speaker 1>with some people. But when the Europeans came over and

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<v Speaker 1>met indigenous Native Americans, the Europeans are like, boy, you

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<v Speaker 1>guys are really hairy, and Native Americans were like, no, bruh,

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<v Speaker 1>you're really hairy. We actually pluck a lot of our

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<v Speaker 1>hair and are not known to be very hairy as

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<v Speaker 1>a people. And that really confused me because I've always

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<v Speaker 1>thought that Native Americans had less body hair, just you know,

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<v Speaker 1>sort of genetically or whatever I think they do.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think they're like, what this is saying is

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<v Speaker 2>that they get every last one whenever they have the

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<v Speaker 2>airant hair come up.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, why would the Europeans call them, Harry, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Think this is wrong, Harry, that there were a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of dumb Europeans who traveled there and were confused with

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<v Speaker 2>buffalo skins. Oh really, that's my hypothesis.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, all right, man, if you see a guy wearing

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<v Speaker 1>a buffalo skin tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 2>That would be I will be reporting back on that.

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<v Speaker 1>What about you know, removing hair like you know, pubic

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<v Speaker 1>hair and stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually that goes back to ancient Egypt. Did you know that?

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<v Speaker 1>I did not know. That doesn't surprise me, but I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't know that.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a technique called sugaring. It's like waxing, but you

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<v Speaker 2>use basically this kind of thick, honey colored paste and

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<v Speaker 2>it does the same thing. It just pulls the hair

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<v Speaker 2>out in a different direction. The Egyptians used to do

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<v Speaker 2>the exact same thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I believe it because, as you'll see, Egypt comes

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<v Speaker 1>up a lot. They were big into you know, what

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<v Speaker 1>they thought of as hygiene at the time.

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<v Speaker 2>Hygiene, but also beauty too. They were the ones that

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<v Speaker 2>kind of established it. Like they they would pluck their eyebrows.

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<v Speaker 2>I saw in different places in different times, people used

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<v Speaker 2>to use mouse skin to cover their eyebrows so that

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<v Speaker 2>you basically didn't have eyebrows, because that would give the

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<v Speaker 2>effect of a high forehead. Which was viewed as aristocratic.

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<v Speaker 2>That dates all the way back to the Egyptians too.

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<v Speaker 2>There's nothing hygienic about that. You're actually you want your

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<v Speaker 2>eyebrows because they trapped the dirt and the grime and

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<v Speaker 2>stuff that keeps it that gets in your eyes.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's why they're there, right, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So to pluck it. It's strictly a cultural beauty standard.

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<v Speaker 1>Right exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think doesn't the word shampoo come I think

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<v Speaker 1>it was originally a verb that the well, I guess

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<v Speaker 1>the Native Americans didn't use it, but we use that

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<v Speaker 1>word to describe what they were doing.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Yes, they would. They would anoint their heads with

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<v Speaker 2>essential oils.

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<v Speaker 1>Play. Yeah, and shampoo was a verb, and then it

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<v Speaker 1>became a noun once they bottled it, I guess exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>So, I guess we're kind of jumping around a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit from Inci and Egypt to the twentieth century United States.

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<v Speaker 2>But that is where we come upon the safety razor

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<v Speaker 2>created by King C. Gillette, I think all the way

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<v Speaker 2>back in like nineteen oh four, and this was I

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<v Speaker 2>think for men at first. Yeah, it was for men

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<v Speaker 2>at first, and men used to go to the barber

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<v Speaker 2>and get shaved every week. Yeah, And the Gillette company said, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 2>you want to do this every day or else you

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<v Speaker 2>look like a total slob. And by the way, by

0:19:30.640 --> 0:19:35.560
<v Speaker 2>our refillable razor cartridges. And then about two decades later,

0:19:35.640 --> 0:19:38.879
<v Speaker 2>women started wearing clothes that showed their like underarms and

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<v Speaker 2>legs and all this, and Gillette saw another chance to

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<v Speaker 2>double their market and they did.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, all right, should we take a break? Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, we've gone through hair and we'll jump into

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<v Speaker 1>the bathtub next.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so we're jumping into the bath chuck cold hands,

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<v Speaker 2>jump in together.

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<v Speaker 1>I gotta hold my nose with my other hand, so okay,

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<v Speaker 1>fair enough.

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<v Speaker 2>So bathing is a really, really old thing. Look at elephants,

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<v Speaker 2>look at hippopotami. They bathe. Humans bathed to all of

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<v Speaker 2>the same impulse. But we kind of like it took

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<v Speaker 2>us a very long time to get from bathing to

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<v Speaker 2>the kind of bathing that we get to today. Bathing

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<v Speaker 2>back then was just either submersing yourself in water or

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<v Speaker 2>using a very little amount of it, depending on where

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<v Speaker 2>you were in the world and what time of the

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<v Speaker 2>what period and history you're talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it was often a social thing, and not

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<v Speaker 1>even necessarily for for cleaning your body, I guess, just

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<v Speaker 1>like I said earlier, sort of like a secondary benefit.

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<v Speaker 1>But they have found baiting pools, like a nine hundred

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<v Speaker 1>square foot a great bath in Mohino Dharo, which was

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<v Speaker 1>an Indus civilization in third millennium BCE, and they also

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<v Speaker 1>had washrooms and homes and they had for the time

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<v Speaker 1>pretty good sewage system going on. So they're looked at

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<v Speaker 1>as the people that you believed that hygiene was an

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<v Speaker 1>important thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and bath houses just kind of kept going from there,

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<v Speaker 2>not just in the Middle East, China. Rome was very

0:21:37.240 --> 0:21:39.919
<v Speaker 2>famous for bath houses, and wherever the Romans went, they

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<v Speaker 2>brought bath houses with them, so bath culture spread along

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<v Speaker 2>with the Roman Empire as well. And I think there

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<v Speaker 2>was an estimate that around one thousand CE, so just

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<v Speaker 2>over a thousand years ago, Baghdad supposedly had sixty thousand

0:21:56.560 --> 0:22:00.680
<v Speaker 2>bath houses. And that is a little bit of any exaggeration,

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<v Speaker 2>most historians guess, but it does kind of go to

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<v Speaker 2>show like there were a ton of bath houses in

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<v Speaker 2>the Middle East at the time. It was just a

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<v Speaker 2>part of life.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and that you've probably done this right somewhere in

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<v Speaker 1>the world.

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<v Speaker 2>I went to the oldest Turkish bath in Europe in well, no,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess Turkey's part of Europe now the oldest Turkish

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<v Speaker 2>bath at least in Hungary. It was in Red Heat

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<v Speaker 2>at the beginning of Red Heat with Arnold Schwarzenegger. And

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<v Speaker 2>it was awesome, man, Like the old stones are like,

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<v Speaker 2>you're still sitting in the same place that people sat

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<v Speaker 2>in for, you know, the last four hundred, five hundred years.

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<v Speaker 1>I think Emily went to that very bath sure on

0:22:40.119 --> 0:22:43.080
<v Speaker 1>her trip last year to Hungary. And this is just

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<v Speaker 1>like the social thing. I mean, it's like a big

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<v Speaker 1>hot tub, like you're not bathing, right.

0:22:47.760 --> 0:22:49.320
<v Speaker 2>It is like a big hot tub, and then it's

0:22:49.359 --> 0:22:52.080
<v Speaker 2>like a big sauna. And like, this bath house was

0:22:52.200 --> 0:22:57.080
<v Speaker 2>unusual because it was essentially coed, like throughout right, most

0:22:57.119 --> 0:22:59.639
<v Speaker 2>bath houses weren't at the time. They either had separate

0:22:59.640 --> 0:23:02.440
<v Speaker 2>bathouse for men and women, or they had a single

0:23:02.440 --> 0:23:04.400
<v Speaker 2>bath house that men used at one time and women

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<v Speaker 2>use at a different time. I'm not sure why this

0:23:07.119 --> 0:23:09.679
<v Speaker 2>particular one bucked the trend because it was such a

0:23:09.720 --> 0:23:14.000
<v Speaker 2>traditional bath Turkish bath, but it was it was definitely coed,

0:23:14.040 --> 0:23:16.720
<v Speaker 2>and it was you know, just yeah, you were just

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<v Speaker 2>sitting there bathing with tons of other.

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<v Speaker 1>People you want to swimsuit?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, yes you were because it was coed. But

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<v Speaker 2>if you go to like a place like jay ju In,

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<v Speaker 2>I think shambily. Have you ever been to that?

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<v Speaker 1>No, I'm not into this.

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<v Speaker 2>It's amazing, dude. If okay, start taking showers before bed,

0:23:34.800 --> 0:23:37.119
<v Speaker 2>and I'll bet you'll be into bathing, like in not

0:23:37.160 --> 0:23:42.520
<v Speaker 2>too long. But this is like separate, separated men and women.

0:23:43.080 --> 0:23:45.760
<v Speaker 2>Uh so you're basically naked around a bunch of dudes.

0:23:45.800 --> 0:23:48.679
<v Speaker 2>You don't know. I didn't do it, but listen, you

0:23:48.960 --> 0:23:52.400
<v Speaker 2>just you just get used to it, and it's when

0:23:52.440 --> 0:23:56.240
<v Speaker 2>you do, it's amazing. Like the whole the whole scene

0:23:56.359 --> 0:23:59.840
<v Speaker 2>is just so chill and like there's just so much

0:24:00.440 --> 0:24:04.040
<v Speaker 2>warm water everywhere. It's just so relaxing. It's nuts.

0:24:04.240 --> 0:24:05.479
<v Speaker 1>I'm having a panic attack.

0:24:05.760 --> 0:24:08.040
<v Speaker 2>Well okay, I'll give you another one. Then if next

0:24:08.040 --> 0:24:10.320
<v Speaker 2>time you're in New York, go to Queens. There's a

0:24:10.320 --> 0:24:13.960
<v Speaker 2>place called Spa Castle and it's almost exclusively co ed,

0:24:14.000 --> 0:24:17.960
<v Speaker 2>so everybody's wearing bathing suits. But it is it. It

0:24:18.000 --> 0:24:21.520
<v Speaker 2>has like all the same stuff and it's it's really great. Yeah,

0:24:22.000 --> 0:24:24.320
<v Speaker 2>I would say try start with spacastle.

0:24:24.840 --> 0:24:27.159
<v Speaker 1>Okay, well, and just to be clear that this is

0:24:27.359 --> 0:24:30.440
<v Speaker 1>uh has nothing to do with like homophobia obviously, I'm

0:24:30.480 --> 0:24:33.320
<v Speaker 1>just I was raised Southern Baptists, and I just I

0:24:33.320 --> 0:24:36.119
<v Speaker 1>don't like to be naked with myself.

0:24:36.560 --> 0:24:37.320
<v Speaker 2>Oh no, I'm with you.

0:24:37.359 --> 0:24:37.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

0:24:38.480 --> 0:24:40.920
<v Speaker 2>I do not either. I basically had to force myself

0:24:40.920 --> 0:24:43.320
<v Speaker 2>to just get over it, and once I did, I

0:24:43.359 --> 0:24:44.040
<v Speaker 2>was glad I did.

0:24:44.760 --> 0:24:47.200
<v Speaker 1>But I do know it's like, are you Josh fum stuff?

0:24:47.200 --> 0:24:50.600
<v Speaker 2>You should know, right, and I just the helicopter and

0:24:50.640 --> 0:24:51.680
<v Speaker 2>I'm like you, no, I.

0:24:51.680 --> 0:24:56.639
<v Speaker 1>Am oh man, I need that kind of confidence. So

0:24:57.320 --> 0:25:01.680
<v Speaker 1>you mentioned earlier different times where people you might think

0:25:01.720 --> 0:25:06.360
<v Speaker 1>were dirty and maybe weren't, and that is medieval times.

0:25:07.200 --> 0:25:09.679
<v Speaker 1>We had this idea probably that it was just everyone

0:25:09.760 --> 0:25:13.440
<v Speaker 1>was disgusting, But they actually bathed fairly regularly back then,

0:25:14.520 --> 0:25:18.360
<v Speaker 1>but for the odd reason that they thought it would

0:25:18.400 --> 0:25:23.000
<v Speaker 1>help your inside problems, like if you had poor gut

0:25:23.040 --> 0:25:27.080
<v Speaker 1>health or digestive issues. They thought bathing might could help that,

0:25:28.200 --> 0:25:30.160
<v Speaker 1>which is you know, they're off base.

0:25:30.640 --> 0:25:33.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they were a little off base. They also thought

0:25:33.160 --> 0:25:37.440
<v Speaker 2>that the that washing your hair would help more than

0:25:38.359 --> 0:25:42.280
<v Speaker 2>just bathing, because that's where those digestive issues emanated from

0:25:42.359 --> 0:25:44.520
<v Speaker 2>your scalp, and that's why your scalp would get dirty.

0:25:44.560 --> 0:25:47.800
<v Speaker 2>It's because you're you have poorly digested food. So they

0:25:47.800 --> 0:25:50.480
<v Speaker 2>were a tad bit off. But again, this is where

0:25:50.480 --> 0:25:53.720
<v Speaker 2>we get to the point where this is This is

0:25:53.760 --> 0:25:55.720
<v Speaker 2>where bathing kind of fell out of favor in the

0:25:55.760 --> 0:26:00.840
<v Speaker 2>fifteenth sixteenth century Europe. Before that, you know, the twelfth

0:26:00.840 --> 0:26:04.560
<v Speaker 2>and thirteenth and I think fourteenth century, like, people actually

0:26:04.600 --> 0:26:08.240
<v Speaker 2>bathed more then than they did from the fifteenth to

0:26:08.359 --> 0:26:12.800
<v Speaker 2>the eighteenth century in Europe. They were way way more

0:26:12.840 --> 0:26:17.159
<v Speaker 2>into bathing and cleanliness and fastidiousness than they were in

0:26:17.200 --> 0:26:20.879
<v Speaker 2>the starting in about the fifteenth century. But one of

0:26:20.880 --> 0:26:23.480
<v Speaker 2>the things that these people in the later years did

0:26:24.320 --> 0:26:27.320
<v Speaker 2>if instead of bathing. They were still concerned with cleanliness,

0:26:27.320 --> 0:26:29.600
<v Speaker 2>but like you said, they were way off and in

0:26:29.640 --> 0:26:32.520
<v Speaker 2>their ideas about how to be clean. So they like

0:26:32.600 --> 0:26:36.879
<v Speaker 2>they would wear linens as undergarments and change them fairly frequently.

0:26:37.800 --> 0:26:40.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and that you know, that makes sense a little bit,

0:26:40.440 --> 0:26:44.600
<v Speaker 1>because they thought that it was like the cloth absorbed

0:26:45.200 --> 0:26:48.720
<v Speaker 1>bad things and that it would clinge your skin and

0:26:49.000 --> 0:26:53.960
<v Speaker 1>it does have that gauzy sort of medical feel and look,

0:26:54.160 --> 0:26:54.359
<v Speaker 1>you know.

0:26:54.880 --> 0:26:58.000
<v Speaker 2>And also chuck all of those that whole look from

0:26:58.040 --> 0:27:02.880
<v Speaker 2>that era, the Sir Walter Ali and like Pilgrim era,

0:27:03.000 --> 0:27:06.080
<v Speaker 2>and I know they're not quite the same era, the

0:27:06.320 --> 0:27:10.400
<v Speaker 2>like having frilly cuffs or frilly collar. Those are showing

0:27:10.440 --> 0:27:13.640
<v Speaker 2>your undergarments and they're saying, like I'm wearing undergarments. Look

0:27:13.640 --> 0:27:16.200
<v Speaker 2>at how clean it is. I'm a clean person. That's

0:27:16.240 --> 0:27:18.120
<v Speaker 2>what those that's what those were for. I always thought

0:27:18.119 --> 0:27:20.119
<v Speaker 2>they were just fashion, but they were. Yeah, they were

0:27:20.119 --> 0:27:21.800
<v Speaker 2>a display of hygieneity.

0:27:22.720 --> 0:27:25.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:27:25.640 --> 0:27:27.800
<v Speaker 2>I hate that word hygiene more than I hate the

0:27:27.800 --> 0:27:28.479
<v Speaker 2>word moist.

0:27:29.040 --> 0:27:31.520
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, hygiene is kind of gross.

0:27:31.680 --> 0:27:33.760
<v Speaker 2>I got two words for you that are even worse

0:27:33.800 --> 0:27:37.800
<v Speaker 2>than just hygiene alone. You're ready, okay. Hygienic utensil.

0:27:38.520 --> 0:27:40.640
<v Speaker 1>Oh. I thought you were gonna say sebum pocket again.

0:27:41.080 --> 0:27:43.280
<v Speaker 2>No, sebum, I mean, I get it, it's not a

0:27:43.400 --> 0:27:47.399
<v Speaker 2>very very pretty word, but it's at least rounded. Hygienic

0:27:47.560 --> 0:27:52.639
<v Speaker 2>is just it's somehow clinical and clean and gross at

0:27:52.680 --> 0:27:53.960
<v Speaker 2>the same time. I don't get it.

0:27:54.320 --> 0:27:58.639
<v Speaker 1>So what did you say, hygienic tool, hygienic utensil oh, utensil. Yeah,

0:27:58.680 --> 0:28:02.639
<v Speaker 1>because they would use those, there were like scrapers and

0:28:02.720 --> 0:28:06.040
<v Speaker 1>things that you know, if you didn't want to take

0:28:06.080 --> 0:28:09.479
<v Speaker 1>a bath, you might I think King Louis the what

0:28:09.600 --> 0:28:14.840
<v Speaker 1>is that fourteenth Yes, supposedly never took a bath or

0:28:15.000 --> 0:28:17.560
<v Speaker 1>very few and he would I know, we talked about

0:28:17.560 --> 0:28:21.200
<v Speaker 1>aqua vite on some episode, but that's the non e

0:28:21.400 --> 0:28:25.160
<v Speaker 1>proof ethanol alcohol, So he would he would scrape himself

0:28:25.200 --> 0:28:29.560
<v Speaker 1>with these scrapers and wipe himself down with alcohol instead

0:28:29.560 --> 0:28:31.040
<v Speaker 1>of just taking a bath.

0:28:31.320 --> 0:28:35.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So again they were clean and trying to be clean.

0:28:35.240 --> 0:28:37.680
<v Speaker 2>They were just clean in ways we don't really recognize

0:28:37.760 --> 0:28:40.280
<v Speaker 2>or think are just kind of ridiculous today. But again,

0:28:40.800 --> 0:28:44.120
<v Speaker 2>if there's one thread throughout this whole episode, it's that

0:28:44.520 --> 0:28:48.920
<v Speaker 2>humans have basically always had the impulse to groom themselves somehow.

0:28:49.520 --> 0:28:55.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and especially as different theories of disease come along,

0:28:55.160 --> 0:28:58.479
<v Speaker 1>like once germ theory came along and that kind of

0:28:58.840 --> 0:29:02.800
<v Speaker 1>semi coincided with plumbing getting better and better, all of

0:29:02.840 --> 0:29:04.840
<v Speaker 1>a sudden, people are like, all right, if you've got

0:29:04.840 --> 0:29:08.440
<v Speaker 1>a little status, then you can afford baths, and you

0:29:08.440 --> 0:29:10.479
<v Speaker 1>can afford to stay clean and therefore healthy.

0:29:10.720 --> 0:29:13.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. The first shower it's called a shower box that

0:29:13.680 --> 0:29:17.280
<v Speaker 2>you could buy and install at your house, was from

0:29:17.280 --> 0:29:20.000
<v Speaker 2>like the mid eighteenth century, so we've had showers for

0:29:20.040 --> 0:29:23.560
<v Speaker 2>a while. And apparently the United States outpaced Europe in

0:29:23.640 --> 0:29:28.320
<v Speaker 2>adopting indoor plumbing and bathroom fixtures because we were basically

0:29:28.360 --> 0:29:33.240
<v Speaker 2>building this new nation and industrializing at a time when

0:29:33.280 --> 0:29:36.080
<v Speaker 2>Europe was already still well established. So it was easier

0:29:36.080 --> 0:29:38.320
<v Speaker 2>for us to install pipes rather than retrofit.

0:29:38.880 --> 0:29:41.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's so funny. That makes perfect sense.

0:29:41.320 --> 0:29:44.680
<v Speaker 2>It does. It's hilarious. Now we need to retrofit everything

0:29:44.680 --> 0:29:47.080
<v Speaker 2>because our sewers are falling apart, as is most of

0:29:47.120 --> 0:29:49.120
<v Speaker 2>the infrastructure in the United States.

0:29:49.440 --> 0:29:53.920
<v Speaker 1>Oh well, speaking of soapboxes, we promised a little bit

0:29:53.960 --> 0:29:55.800
<v Speaker 1>at talk of soap. We have a really good episode

0:29:55.840 --> 0:30:00.200
<v Speaker 1>on soap and its history. But as a recap, the

0:30:00.320 --> 0:30:04.880
<v Speaker 1>Mesopotamians used rendered fat and lye from wood ash, and

0:30:04.920 --> 0:30:08.560
<v Speaker 1>that was sort of a primitive soap. But a lot

0:30:08.600 --> 0:30:11.920
<v Speaker 1>of this early soap was used to wash clothes and

0:30:13.040 --> 0:30:15.960
<v Speaker 1>blankets and stuff like that, and it wasn't used for

0:30:16.480 --> 0:30:18.080
<v Speaker 1>washing the body until later.

0:30:18.800 --> 0:30:22.400
<v Speaker 2>No, it was once we figured out and we I mean,

0:30:22.520 --> 0:30:26.080
<v Speaker 2>we learned from the Middle Easterners during the Crusades that

0:30:26.160 --> 0:30:29.000
<v Speaker 2>you could make soap from vegetable oil rather than pork

0:30:29.080 --> 0:30:32.320
<v Speaker 2>fat soap. Yes, that's when we started using it on

0:30:32.360 --> 0:30:33.520
<v Speaker 2>our bodies for sure.

0:30:34.000 --> 0:30:36.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I imagine it was a lot of that. Early

0:30:36.640 --> 0:30:39.480
<v Speaker 1>soap was very filmy and kind of greasy. Yeah.

0:30:39.640 --> 0:30:43.560
<v Speaker 2>And when you put a fat together with a with lye,

0:30:43.720 --> 0:30:46.800
<v Speaker 2>so you derive lye from wood ash and then fat

0:30:46.840 --> 0:30:52.080
<v Speaker 2>from either animals or plants, a process called sopontification happens

0:30:52.280 --> 0:30:56.120
<v Speaker 2>chemical reaction. You get glycerol and I can't remember the

0:30:56.120 --> 0:31:00.600
<v Speaker 2>other thing, Oh, fatty acid salts or soap salts, and

0:31:00.640 --> 0:31:02.920
<v Speaker 2>that's there's your soap right there.

0:31:03.880 --> 0:31:05.600
<v Speaker 1>I was about to say we could go grab Emily

0:31:05.640 --> 0:31:08.080
<v Speaker 1>for specifics, but for sure, that'd be great if she

0:31:08.240 --> 0:31:10.560
<v Speaker 1>just was like, no, I don't remember any of that stuff.

0:31:10.560 --> 0:31:14.920
<v Speaker 1>My business is done, right. Civil War, all of a

0:31:14.920 --> 0:31:18.280
<v Speaker 1>sudden people were like post Civil War, I guess, or

0:31:18.320 --> 0:31:22.320
<v Speaker 1>actually during the Civil War, you know, they realized that

0:31:22.800 --> 0:31:27.240
<v Speaker 1>good health could come from bathing, regularly cleaning your body.

0:31:27.840 --> 0:31:31.080
<v Speaker 1>And that's when like real like commercial soap came onto

0:31:31.120 --> 0:31:35.680
<v Speaker 1>the scene thanks to Procter and Gamble, who introduced ivory

0:31:35.720 --> 0:31:38.960
<v Speaker 1>soap finally to the world, the floating ivory soap.

0:31:39.240 --> 0:31:42.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the whole it floats thing was a reference to

0:31:43.240 --> 0:31:47.120
<v Speaker 2>river bathing, which most people still did at the time. Like,

0:31:47.360 --> 0:31:52.800
<v Speaker 2>even if you had access to water, you probably didn't

0:31:52.800 --> 0:31:54.800
<v Speaker 2>have a shower, which meant you had to heat up

0:31:54.840 --> 0:31:57.640
<v Speaker 2>water pour it into a tub and it was a

0:31:57.680 --> 0:31:59.920
<v Speaker 2>big process. So it was probably easier to just take

0:32:00.120 --> 0:32:02.959
<v Speaker 2>cold bath in the river, and if your ivory soap floated,

0:32:03.000 --> 0:32:04.920
<v Speaker 2>you could find it more easily than having to dig

0:32:04.960 --> 0:32:09.440
<v Speaker 2>around on the river bottom. Yeah, river bathing just sounds

0:32:09.480 --> 0:32:14.960
<v Speaker 2>really great to me. But nineteenth or earlier nineteenth century

0:32:15.040 --> 0:32:17.520
<v Speaker 2>or earlier river bathing, I would not want to bathe

0:32:17.520 --> 0:32:19.320
<v Speaker 2>the most of the rivers in America today.

0:32:20.040 --> 0:32:20.600
<v Speaker 1>I've done it.

0:32:21.720 --> 0:32:23.800
<v Speaker 2>Do you not know about our infrastructure?

0:32:25.080 --> 0:32:27.000
<v Speaker 1>I've done it on camping trips, And you know, it's

0:32:27.040 --> 0:32:31.080
<v Speaker 1>always important to use the I don't know what you

0:32:31.120 --> 0:32:34.880
<v Speaker 1>call it, but the soap that's okay for rivers. It

0:32:34.880 --> 0:32:36.520
<v Speaker 1>doesn't hurt you know, fish.

0:32:36.440 --> 0:32:39.960
<v Speaker 2>Oh oh sure, without phosphates, I think yeah.

0:32:39.960 --> 0:32:42.760
<v Speaker 1>But even then I'm like, is this really okay? I

0:32:42.760 --> 0:32:45.000
<v Speaker 1>don't know. They say it is, yeah, I.

0:32:44.960 --> 0:32:49.160
<v Speaker 2>Think fairly natural soap is fine. It's the industrial soap

0:32:49.200 --> 0:32:53.000
<v Speaker 2>that's the problem, because there's so much easier to create

0:32:53.640 --> 0:32:57.479
<v Speaker 2>chemicals that stand in for the natural version. Yeah, so

0:32:57.640 --> 0:33:01.200
<v Speaker 2>that's usually the problem. The natural versions probably just fine

0:33:01.240 --> 0:33:02.920
<v Speaker 2>for the river.

0:33:03.240 --> 0:33:05.960
<v Speaker 1>I guess ari. I wouldn't do me wrong, right, no way.

0:33:08.360 --> 0:33:12.880
<v Speaker 1>Shampoo also came along thanks to Procter and Gamble, the

0:33:12.960 --> 0:33:16.880
<v Speaker 1>shampoo that we think of today, and that was a dream.

0:33:17.040 --> 0:33:19.240
<v Speaker 1>Dr E n E was I think one of the

0:33:19.280 --> 0:33:22.560
<v Speaker 1>first ones, and that was in the nineteen thirties and

0:33:22.600 --> 0:33:24.880
<v Speaker 1>that's when they said, all right, like you were kind

0:33:24.880 --> 0:33:28.560
<v Speaker 1>of talking about, we've developed these synthetics for factants now

0:33:29.000 --> 0:33:31.480
<v Speaker 1>that clean your hair really good. And prior to that,

0:33:31.520 --> 0:33:36.000
<v Speaker 1>people were using boiled soap shavings and that was sort

0:33:36.000 --> 0:33:39.040
<v Speaker 1>of filming and gross. So they eventually came up with

0:33:39.040 --> 0:33:40.640
<v Speaker 1>the synthetic stuff and it worked.

0:33:40.440 --> 0:33:43.160
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, good enough. At least.

0:33:43.680 --> 0:33:44.959
<v Speaker 1>Do you wash your hair every day? You don't wash

0:33:45.000 --> 0:33:45.200
<v Speaker 1>your hair?

0:33:45.840 --> 0:33:46.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Almost every day?

0:33:47.320 --> 0:33:47.680
<v Speaker 1>Oh wow?

0:33:47.720 --> 0:33:49.960
<v Speaker 2>All right, yeah, I have to really watch it. I've

0:33:49.960 --> 0:33:52.760
<v Speaker 2>got to use like good shampoo because it's really easy

0:33:52.800 --> 0:33:55.560
<v Speaker 2>to dry out and strip. And I didn't use conditioner

0:33:55.640 --> 0:33:58.120
<v Speaker 2>for a while because I think I used bag conditioner,

0:33:58.480 --> 0:34:00.520
<v Speaker 2>so it just like my hair would just be flat

0:34:00.520 --> 0:34:02.400
<v Speaker 2>and limp and lifeless on my head and I'd be like,

0:34:02.480 --> 0:34:04.760
<v Speaker 2>I'm not using this, but Now I found that if

0:34:04.760 --> 0:34:08.200
<v Speaker 2>you use good conditioner and use it every couple of days,

0:34:08.800 --> 0:34:10.839
<v Speaker 2>oh boy, my hair looks amazing.

0:34:12.160 --> 0:34:15.759
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean different hair. People's hair is different, and

0:34:15.800 --> 0:34:19.040
<v Speaker 1>different hair does better sometimes washing it a lot, maybe

0:34:19.040 --> 0:34:23.120
<v Speaker 1>in conditioning, and sometimes not washing it as much. And

0:34:23.160 --> 0:34:28.160
<v Speaker 1>I know, like hair styling, Like my hair styles better

0:34:28.320 --> 0:34:31.040
<v Speaker 1>after a couple of days without washing it. Sure, so

0:34:31.120 --> 0:34:32.839
<v Speaker 1>I only only wash my hair like once a week.

0:34:32.840 --> 0:34:36.120
<v Speaker 2>Maybe you have a thick, nice mane of hair and

0:34:36.200 --> 0:34:39.640
<v Speaker 2>like I do not, I've got anthony heatous hair.

0:34:40.600 --> 0:34:42.480
<v Speaker 1>I have a lot of hair, but it's it is thin.

0:34:42.600 --> 0:34:47.880
<v Speaker 1>It's not a I mean thin. I think thin. Is

0:34:47.880 --> 0:34:49.319
<v Speaker 1>that the hair strand it's thin?

0:34:49.960 --> 0:34:51.959
<v Speaker 2>Well yeah, and then collectively they're thin.

0:34:52.680 --> 0:34:55.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Maybe that's it because I never it looks like

0:34:55.440 --> 0:34:57.840
<v Speaker 1>I have a lot of hair, but I don't like

0:34:57.880 --> 0:35:02.080
<v Speaker 1>in college my little ponytail speaking around as a ring finger.

0:35:02.120 --> 0:35:05.319
<v Speaker 1>Maybe I was always jealous of these guys that had

0:35:05.320 --> 0:35:07.239
<v Speaker 1>those big, beefy pony tails.

0:35:07.760 --> 0:35:11.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, I'm with you, like a horse's tail or

0:35:11.840 --> 0:35:17.000
<v Speaker 2>a pony. I guess the carry Scot did he have

0:35:17.040 --> 0:35:17.759
<v Speaker 2>a ponytail.

0:35:18.440 --> 0:35:20.360
<v Speaker 1>He grew his hair out once when he lived in

0:35:20.520 --> 0:35:22.120
<v Speaker 1>l A for a while he grew his hair out,

0:35:22.440 --> 0:35:24.960
<v Speaker 1>and of course he you know, he looked like a

0:35:25.040 --> 0:35:31.359
<v Speaker 1>combination of Chris Chris Cornell and wonder Woman Linda Carter.

0:35:33.560 --> 0:35:34.959
<v Speaker 2>Only Scott could pull that off.

0:35:35.200 --> 0:35:36.319
<v Speaker 1>Oh, I know, he looked good.

0:35:36.480 --> 0:35:38.839
<v Speaker 2>Let me, I want to I want to correct myself too.

0:35:39.480 --> 0:35:42.640
<v Speaker 2>Your hair could be thin individually, and also it can

0:35:42.680 --> 0:35:43.600
<v Speaker 2>be thin in number.

0:35:44.440 --> 0:35:45.160
<v Speaker 1>I think I both.

0:35:45.440 --> 0:35:47.919
<v Speaker 2>So it sounds like you have thick hair that's thin

0:35:47.960 --> 0:35:51.280
<v Speaker 2>in number. Oh, all right, that'd be my guess. Okay,

0:35:51.400 --> 0:35:53.560
<v Speaker 2>either way, your hair looks magnificent all the time.

0:35:53.880 --> 0:35:57.520
<v Speaker 1>I thinks you're testing. I like it. It's good. Uh.

0:35:57.520 --> 0:35:59.200
<v Speaker 1>Should we take a break or should we keep going?

0:36:00.000 --> 0:36:01.640
<v Speaker 1>Should we talk perfume and then break?

0:36:02.000 --> 0:36:04.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, let's do that, and we should direct people to

0:36:04.719 --> 0:36:06.680
<v Speaker 2>our perfume episode. You know, we've done an episode in

0:36:06.719 --> 0:36:08.000
<v Speaker 2>almost every section in here.

0:36:08.360 --> 0:36:12.120
<v Speaker 1>I know it's funny. Yeah, we really haven't. Do we

0:36:12.160 --> 0:36:13.120
<v Speaker 1>do deodorant?

0:36:13.480 --> 0:36:17.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? The difference between anty person and deodorant very well

0:36:17.440 --> 0:36:18.279
<v Speaker 2>A long time ago.

0:36:18.520 --> 0:36:22.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's an old one. Perfume though, is you know

0:36:22.120 --> 0:36:24.719
<v Speaker 1>I've talked about it plenty of times, and how much

0:36:24.719 --> 0:36:28.680
<v Speaker 1>I hate colonnes and perfumes and getting in lift cars

0:36:28.719 --> 0:36:31.479
<v Speaker 1>and elevators and just ended up smelling like someone else.

0:36:32.200 --> 0:36:35.320
<v Speaker 1>I think it's I don't want to Yu young, but

0:36:35.360 --> 0:36:37.640
<v Speaker 1>you're making someone else smell. So I feel like it's

0:36:37.680 --> 0:36:40.120
<v Speaker 1>okay to stand up and say please stop doing that. Sure,

0:36:40.800 --> 0:36:44.200
<v Speaker 1>because that smell gets on you. But ancient Egypt and

0:36:44.239 --> 0:36:47.640
<v Speaker 1>places like that would have been a nightmare. And like

0:36:47.840 --> 0:36:52.120
<v Speaker 1>the Versai, like all these places, all they did was

0:36:52.200 --> 0:36:56.600
<v Speaker 1>just cake perfumes and smells onto everything instead of really

0:36:56.640 --> 0:36:58.520
<v Speaker 1>bathing and watching, right.

0:36:58.400 --> 0:37:01.200
<v Speaker 2>Because then you have like all these crazy floral and

0:37:01.560 --> 0:37:05.400
<v Speaker 2>sweet sense on top of body odor, which means it's

0:37:05.520 --> 0:37:08.480
<v Speaker 2>kind of intermingled with body odor. So it's not Yeah,

0:37:08.680 --> 0:37:10.520
<v Speaker 2>it would not have been pleasant for me either.

0:37:11.440 --> 0:37:16.439
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's no good. Ancient Egypt they use ostrich egg

0:37:16.719 --> 0:37:18.240
<v Speaker 1>apparently in tortoise shell.

0:37:18.440 --> 0:37:20.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I could not find anything on that.

0:37:20.840 --> 0:37:23.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that must have I don't know what kind of

0:37:23.160 --> 0:37:25.839
<v Speaker 1>odor that would have. Maybe that was a stabilizer or something,

0:37:25.840 --> 0:37:26.359
<v Speaker 1>and they.

0:37:26.239 --> 0:37:27.120
<v Speaker 2>Smell like tortoise.

0:37:28.640 --> 0:37:29.080
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

0:37:29.320 --> 0:37:31.839
<v Speaker 2>Well, the thing is, I think we must have mentioned

0:37:31.880 --> 0:37:34.279
<v Speaker 2>this in the Perfume episode two. With distillation in the

0:37:34.320 --> 0:37:37.799
<v Speaker 2>thirteenth century, you finally get alcohol based perfumes, and that

0:37:37.840 --> 0:37:41.640
<v Speaker 2>like revolutionized everything. I don't think we talked about because

0:37:41.640 --> 0:37:45.239
<v Speaker 2>this was news to me. The first known or recorded

0:37:45.360 --> 0:37:50.960
<v Speaker 2>alcohol based perfume was called Queen of Hungary Water, supposedly

0:37:51.000 --> 0:37:55.000
<v Speaker 2>hails from the thirteenth century, named after the thirteenth century

0:37:55.320 --> 0:37:59.160
<v Speaker 2>Queen Elizabeth or Isabelle of Hungary at the time.

0:37:59.600 --> 0:37:59.959
<v Speaker 1>With an.

0:38:01.760 --> 0:38:06.160
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, that's very Hungarian, and it was scented with rosemary.

0:38:07.239 --> 0:38:11.640
<v Speaker 1>I like rosemary. Sure do you ever stroke a rosemary

0:38:11.640 --> 0:38:13.680
<v Speaker 1>plant on a dog walk from a neighbor?

0:38:14.520 --> 0:38:17.840
<v Speaker 2>My friend, we have long branches of rosemary like sitting

0:38:17.840 --> 0:38:19.760
<v Speaker 2>around our house in vases and stuff.

0:38:20.480 --> 0:38:21.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's great.

0:38:21.360 --> 0:38:22.960
<v Speaker 2>Stay answer your question every time.

0:38:23.480 --> 0:38:25.160
<v Speaker 1>I mean, we have our own rosemary. But yeah, when

0:38:25.200 --> 0:38:27.560
<v Speaker 1>we're on walks and we see rosemary, basically everyone in

0:38:27.600 --> 0:38:29.759
<v Speaker 1>the family just runs their hand along one of them

0:38:29.760 --> 0:38:31.920
<v Speaker 1>and then kind of wipes it on their shirt or something.

0:38:32.080 --> 0:38:34.920
<v Speaker 2>And for that reason, you should never use rosemary that

0:38:34.960 --> 0:38:37.000
<v Speaker 2>you grow in the front of your house that people

0:38:37.080 --> 0:38:38.439
<v Speaker 2>can contact in your foot.

0:38:40.000 --> 0:38:41.399
<v Speaker 1>Oh man, they didn't think about that.

0:38:41.880 --> 0:38:44.120
<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's on them. If they're using it, you

0:38:44.160 --> 0:38:46.279
<v Speaker 2>can go ahead and walk in touch, that's what people do.

0:38:46.360 --> 0:38:48.960
<v Speaker 2>But if they're using it to cook with, that's their fault.

0:38:49.160 --> 0:38:50.319
<v Speaker 2>They need to grow it in the.

0:38:50.320 --> 0:38:54.600
<v Speaker 1>Back, so someone's marinating steak might have a little.

0:38:54.480 --> 0:38:56.120
<v Speaker 2>Chuck on it, a little bit of chuck.

0:38:57.560 --> 0:38:59.560
<v Speaker 1>I like to think that adds a little certain something.

0:39:01.160 --> 0:39:02.239
<v Speaker 2>It doesn't icy.

0:39:03.000 --> 0:39:07.760
<v Speaker 1>So we talked about germ theory of disease for a while.

0:39:07.840 --> 0:39:11.520
<v Speaker 1>That was called the miasma theory of disease Anetinc.

0:39:11.640 --> 0:39:12.239
<v Speaker 2>Episode.

0:39:12.719 --> 0:39:15.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and that's when they thought that, you know, the

0:39:15.800 --> 0:39:19.080
<v Speaker 1>nasty smelling air could be a carrier of disease. And

0:39:19.160 --> 0:39:21.920
<v Speaker 1>I guess what they were talking about was airborne illnesses,

0:39:22.120 --> 0:39:26.400
<v Speaker 1>which could happen for sure, But going around and spraying

0:39:27.400 --> 0:39:29.919
<v Speaker 1>really sweet smelling herbs and things I don't think really

0:39:29.920 --> 0:39:30.919
<v Speaker 1>helped much.

0:39:31.400 --> 0:39:34.320
<v Speaker 2>No, definitely not. Their treatment for it didn't make sense.

0:39:34.360 --> 0:39:37.279
<v Speaker 2>But it's always it's puzzled me why people just poo

0:39:37.320 --> 0:39:39.600
<v Speaker 2>poo this like it's idiocy, Like it makes a lot

0:39:39.640 --> 0:39:43.359
<v Speaker 2>of sense. Actually, sure, there's probably even I think there's

0:39:43.400 --> 0:39:46.240
<v Speaker 2>diseases that you that have like distinct smells that humans

0:39:46.280 --> 0:39:49.200
<v Speaker 2>can detect, So it makes sense to me. And I

0:39:49.200 --> 0:39:52.880
<v Speaker 2>mean there's actually something called tularimia, which is a type

0:39:52.920 --> 0:39:56.520
<v Speaker 2>of disease. I can't remember exactly what kind it is,

0:39:56.560 --> 0:40:00.600
<v Speaker 2>but you can get it from inhaling the decay of

0:40:00.680 --> 0:40:03.080
<v Speaker 2>a rotting rabbit or cat carcass.

0:40:03.560 --> 0:40:05.480
<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, and it's bad.

0:40:05.719 --> 0:40:08.799
<v Speaker 2>It's bad news because that's actually the worst version of tularimia.

0:40:08.800 --> 0:40:10.319
<v Speaker 2>You can get it all sorts of ways, like through

0:40:10.360 --> 0:40:12.560
<v Speaker 2>touch and all that stuff too, but when you inhale it,

0:40:12.600 --> 0:40:15.920
<v Speaker 2>the respiratory version is really bad and it stinks. Obviously,

0:40:15.960 --> 0:40:18.720
<v Speaker 2>the carcass of the cat or rabbit stinks at that point,

0:40:19.239 --> 0:40:22.720
<v Speaker 2>but you're actually getting yeah, exactly, you're getting disease from

0:40:23.080 --> 0:40:26.319
<v Speaker 2>an offensive smell that's mixed with those odor molecules. So

0:40:26.640 --> 0:40:29.600
<v Speaker 2>I mean, there's at least one disease that miasma theory

0:40:30.160 --> 0:40:33.600
<v Speaker 2>holds up with. All right, I think we've talked about

0:40:33.640 --> 0:40:34.600
<v Speaker 2>that dying on this hill.

0:40:35.280 --> 0:40:38.239
<v Speaker 1>All right. Well, let's take a break and we'll talk

0:40:38.280 --> 0:40:42.120
<v Speaker 1>about deodorant and wind it down with bad breath right

0:40:42.160 --> 0:41:07.080
<v Speaker 1>after this. All right, So deodorant. The first commercial deodorant

0:41:07.520 --> 0:41:11.719
<v Speaker 1>that really sold was called Mum Mum all the way

0:41:11.719 --> 0:41:14.440
<v Speaker 1>back in eighteen eighty eight, and it was a cream

0:41:14.520 --> 0:41:18.440
<v Speaker 1>that you applied that would kill odor producing bacterias. It

0:41:18.480 --> 0:41:23.279
<v Speaker 1>was kind of greasy. Nineteen oh three surprised me, ever,

0:41:23.400 --> 0:41:25.480
<v Speaker 1>dry that was the first antiperspirant, all the way back

0:41:25.520 --> 0:41:26.480
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen oh three.

0:41:27.000 --> 0:41:29.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it used the same stuff that they used today,

0:41:29.280 --> 0:41:33.280
<v Speaker 2>aluminum salts that plug the pores that keep you from sweating.

0:41:33.320 --> 0:41:38.040
<v Speaker 2>That's how antipersperants work. So, speaking of this stuff, deodorant,

0:41:38.080 --> 0:41:41.560
<v Speaker 2>anti pursprant, it's significant and unique in that this is

0:41:41.719 --> 0:41:45.319
<v Speaker 2>not an ancient type of grooming. This is actually really new,

0:41:45.440 --> 0:41:48.440
<v Speaker 2>Like this doesn't have its roots in Greece or Egypt

0:41:48.560 --> 0:41:52.960
<v Speaker 2>unless you count perfumes. The actual attempt to counter body

0:41:52.960 --> 0:41:57.200
<v Speaker 2>odor with theodor and antiperspriant is twentieth century I mention basically.

0:41:57.320 --> 0:42:02.520
<v Speaker 1>That's right. And a teenager invented something called odor rono

0:42:03.120 --> 0:42:07.320
<v Speaker 1>like odor oh no, named Edna Murphy. She was the

0:42:07.400 --> 0:42:10.200
<v Speaker 1>daughter of a surgeon and he had apparently sweaty hands,

0:42:10.800 --> 0:42:15.480
<v Speaker 1>so she invented this anti perseprint to keep daddy's hands

0:42:15.560 --> 0:42:19.960
<v Speaker 1>dry and then started selling it door to door and

0:42:20.040 --> 0:42:24.000
<v Speaker 1>pharmacies and stuff. It did not catch on initially because

0:42:24.000 --> 0:42:26.759
<v Speaker 1>people are like, oh, I've got these dress shields to

0:42:26.840 --> 0:42:29.600
<v Speaker 1>soak up my underarm sweat and keep my shirt from

0:42:29.600 --> 0:42:31.040
<v Speaker 1>getting pit stains.

0:42:31.120 --> 0:42:32.520
<v Speaker 2>Rubber dress shields.

0:42:32.880 --> 0:42:37.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, I can't. They still make dress shields people

0:42:37.280 --> 0:42:40.160
<v Speaker 1>wear my guests rubber ones. I don't know about rubber,

0:42:40.160 --> 0:42:42.320
<v Speaker 1>but I mean dress shields are a thing I didn't

0:42:42.360 --> 0:42:45.560
<v Speaker 1>know that. Yeah, look up dress shields isn't there. You

0:42:45.600 --> 0:42:48.560
<v Speaker 1>can buy them on a you know, dress shields dot com.

0:42:48.680 --> 0:42:51.040
<v Speaker 2>You can buy cat based dress shields.

0:42:52.480 --> 0:42:57.080
<v Speaker 1>But the odor Rono wasn't going well until advertising really

0:42:57.120 --> 0:42:59.759
<v Speaker 1>picked up on it and marketing and a guy named

0:42:59.800 --> 0:43:02.680
<v Speaker 1>Jane Eames Young, who was a copywriter ended up being

0:43:02.760 --> 0:43:07.719
<v Speaker 1>very successful, started doing something that would become a hallmark

0:43:08.520 --> 0:43:10.919
<v Speaker 1>that I think someone argue still goes on today, which

0:43:10.960 --> 0:43:17.320
<v Speaker 1>is selling beauty products and hygiene products out of fear,

0:43:18.239 --> 0:43:21.920
<v Speaker 1>most notably targeted toward women. And you'll see this over

0:43:21.960 --> 0:43:24.520
<v Speaker 1>and over from here on out, which is your breath

0:43:24.600 --> 0:43:26.840
<v Speaker 1>might stink and you won't get a man. Your body

0:43:26.880 --> 0:43:29.879
<v Speaker 1>probably stinks so you won't get a man. You got

0:43:31.719 --> 0:43:35.439
<v Speaker 1>underarm sweat on your dress, so you can't get a man.

0:43:35.640 --> 0:43:39.080
<v Speaker 1>And it was all based around this thing, like you know, ladies,

0:43:39.160 --> 0:43:41.799
<v Speaker 1>unless you clean up your act literally, then you're not

0:43:41.840 --> 0:43:42.920
<v Speaker 1>going to get that husband.

0:43:43.360 --> 0:43:45.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and this guy is patient zero, James Young, the

0:43:46.000 --> 0:43:48.239
<v Speaker 2>guy who created this whole thing, and they still do

0:43:48.280 --> 0:43:52.160
<v Speaker 2>it today. It's crazy, but he had a I guess

0:43:52.160 --> 0:43:57.480
<v Speaker 2>for odor Ono, he had an advertising campaign called Oh,

0:43:57.680 --> 0:44:00.319
<v Speaker 2>I Think the Curve of a Woman's Arm, And it

0:44:00.360 --> 0:44:03.360
<v Speaker 2>looked like an article in the Lady's Home Journal. It

0:44:03.400 --> 0:44:07.279
<v Speaker 2>had like a headline and the sub subtitle was a

0:44:07.320 --> 0:44:10.680
<v Speaker 2>frank discussion of a subject too often avoided, and it

0:44:10.719 --> 0:44:13.480
<v Speaker 2>was basically about, like, do you think you're dainty? Are

0:44:13.480 --> 0:44:16.760
<v Speaker 2>you sure you're dainty? Do you know it's possible you smell?

0:44:16.920 --> 0:44:20.080
<v Speaker 2>And if you smell, you probably don't detect it yourself.

0:44:20.280 --> 0:44:23.640
<v Speaker 2>Other people do And this is like huge, Like people

0:44:23.680 --> 0:44:25.959
<v Speaker 2>did not talk about that kind of thing. And there's

0:44:26.000 --> 0:44:28.520
<v Speaker 2>this whole one page ad in the Lady's Home Journal

0:44:28.960 --> 0:44:33.320
<v Speaker 2>And apparently two hundred subscribers canceled their subscriptions and cited

0:44:33.360 --> 0:44:37.480
<v Speaker 2>that as the reason. But as far as Oderono was concerned,

0:44:37.480 --> 0:44:40.680
<v Speaker 2>it worked really well because their sales increased I think

0:44:40.719 --> 0:44:42.960
<v Speaker 2>one hundred and thirteen percent year over here.

0:44:43.760 --> 0:44:47.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's a big jump, and just to keep people

0:44:47.200 --> 0:44:51.439
<v Speaker 1>from emailing. Oderono was also the name of a WHO song,

0:44:51.760 --> 0:44:54.160
<v Speaker 1>Oh really from the band of Who. It was on

0:44:54.200 --> 0:44:56.640
<v Speaker 1>the Who sell Out, which was that one record they did.

0:44:57.000 --> 0:45:01.080
<v Speaker 1>It's kind of a concept record, I guess where there

0:45:01.160 --> 0:45:03.080
<v Speaker 1>were like little fake It was supposed to be like

0:45:03.080 --> 0:45:06.080
<v Speaker 1>a radio station, so they made these little fake radio commercials.

0:45:06.880 --> 0:45:10.600
<v Speaker 1>And Oderono was one that Pete Townsend wrote in saying

0:45:11.280 --> 0:45:14.000
<v Speaker 1>about the deodorant Oderono, and he has a big giant

0:45:15.320 --> 0:45:18.840
<v Speaker 1>stick of Oderno on the album cover that he's putting on.

0:45:19.200 --> 0:45:21.040
<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's a great one to choose, because that

0:45:21.200 --> 0:45:23.799
<v Speaker 2>was the one that changed everything. That really kind of

0:45:23.840 --> 0:45:30.560
<v Speaker 2>created marketing to people's worst fears and self consciousness about themsel, you.

0:45:30.440 --> 0:45:33.160
<v Speaker 1>Know, and all of the ads kind of from here

0:45:33.200 --> 0:45:36.520
<v Speaker 1>on out for a long time. And like I said,

0:45:36.600 --> 0:45:39.000
<v Speaker 1>still today there are ads that sort of poke around

0:45:39.000 --> 0:45:42.239
<v Speaker 1>that they're not as overt like the one I think

0:45:42.239 --> 0:45:45.480
<v Speaker 1>it was. I think, oh no, it was Oderono again

0:45:45.880 --> 0:45:49.600
<v Speaker 1>that said beautiful but dumb. She's never learned the first

0:45:49.680 --> 0:45:53.160
<v Speaker 1>rule of long lasting charm, which is, you know, don't

0:45:53.200 --> 0:45:54.440
<v Speaker 1>stink right exactly.

0:45:54.440 --> 0:45:57.200
<v Speaker 2>And again it was women that were targeted at first, because,

0:45:57.239 --> 0:45:59.000
<v Speaker 2>like you said, you're never going to get a man

0:45:59.040 --> 0:46:02.560
<v Speaker 2>because you smell, so you odor ono. And then eventually

0:46:02.640 --> 0:46:06.960
<v Speaker 2>men fell under the spell of James Yelling and his ilk.

0:46:07.440 --> 0:46:10.839
<v Speaker 2>And there was a deodorant called top Flight, which was

0:46:10.960 --> 0:46:14.279
<v Speaker 2>first sold in the thirties, and I think another one

0:46:14.320 --> 0:46:19.600
<v Speaker 2>called Seaforth marketed to men that you know, we're in

0:46:19.640 --> 0:46:22.799
<v Speaker 2>the Great Depression and everybody's job is insecure, So do

0:46:22.880 --> 0:46:24.360
<v Speaker 2>you want to be the one at the office that

0:46:24.480 --> 0:46:26.400
<v Speaker 2>stinks because you're going to be the first one they

0:46:26.440 --> 0:46:30.640
<v Speaker 2>cut when layoffs come around? Like, that's nuts. And when

0:46:30.640 --> 0:46:33.920
<v Speaker 2>you look at it historically, it's like that's crazy. And

0:46:33.960 --> 0:46:35.880
<v Speaker 2>then you look at our ads today and it's like,

0:46:36.120 --> 0:46:38.560
<v Speaker 2>this is the same thing. It's just more sophisticated.

0:46:39.600 --> 0:46:43.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the Sea fourth was at least one version of

0:46:43.320 --> 0:46:45.319
<v Speaker 1>it in the forties was sold in it looks like

0:46:45.360 --> 0:46:49.279
<v Speaker 1>a whiskey jug. And actually found the one. It wasn't

0:46:49.320 --> 0:46:53.400
<v Speaker 1>eBay it with some other sales site, but it's supposedly

0:46:53.440 --> 0:46:55.959
<v Speaker 1>still had product in it really and it was only

0:46:55.960 --> 0:46:57.799
<v Speaker 1>twelve dollars, So I was like, maybe I should buy this.

0:46:57.880 --> 0:47:00.800
<v Speaker 1>I gotta see what that tastes like or tastes like gross?

0:47:01.120 --> 0:47:02.719
<v Speaker 1>What it smelled what it smells like.

0:47:02.880 --> 0:47:05.600
<v Speaker 2>Was it Etsy that you saw it on? No, I

0:47:05.600 --> 0:47:07.920
<v Speaker 2>don't remember where it was, but it was probably Etsy,

0:47:08.920 --> 0:47:12.520
<v Speaker 2>you think, so, Chuck, I think we should finish up

0:47:12.600 --> 0:47:15.800
<v Speaker 2>wind down, as you put it before with bad Breath,

0:47:15.840 --> 0:47:18.600
<v Speaker 2>And I would direct people to our halatosis. I think

0:47:18.680 --> 0:47:24.759
<v Speaker 2>Colon Worst Smell Ever episode, Yeah, which is a good one.

0:47:25.000 --> 0:47:28.840
<v Speaker 2>But again, this is this has got some new stuff

0:47:28.840 --> 0:47:30.360
<v Speaker 2>in it. If you ask me, like, did you know

0:47:30.440 --> 0:47:34.960
<v Speaker 2>that in the Talmud, bad breath is considered a quote

0:47:34.960 --> 0:47:37.920
<v Speaker 2>major disability and grounds for divorce.

0:47:39.880 --> 0:47:40.640
<v Speaker 1>It's in the Talmud.

0:47:40.840 --> 0:47:43.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, in that nuts I had no idea, but it's

0:47:43.600 --> 0:47:46.600
<v Speaker 2>been around a long time. People are like, hey, you

0:47:46.600 --> 0:47:48.520
<v Speaker 2>can do something about that, and you should for the

0:47:48.560 --> 0:47:50.359
<v Speaker 2>rest of our sake. Yeah.

0:47:50.400 --> 0:47:54.040
<v Speaker 1>I think it's interesting how like maybe underarmed body odor

0:47:55.080 --> 0:47:56.960
<v Speaker 1>was just sort of accepted and people are like, I

0:47:56.960 --> 0:47:59.719
<v Speaker 1>guess that's what people smell like. But it seems like

0:47:59.760 --> 0:48:03.320
<v Speaker 1>from the beginning bad Breast people are like mm mmmm no, no, no, no,

0:48:03.520 --> 0:48:04.440
<v Speaker 1>that's I don't like.

0:48:04.480 --> 0:48:06.560
<v Speaker 2>That, and that interesting. I don't know why it really is.

0:48:06.800 --> 0:48:07.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't either.

0:48:07.920 --> 0:48:11.080
<v Speaker 2>So people have been combating this. This is like the

0:48:11.080 --> 0:48:13.160
<v Speaker 2>opposite of deodorant. Like, people have been trying to do

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<v Speaker 2>something about us for a really long time. We've recognized

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<v Speaker 2>plants having some plants having like fresh smells or almost

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<v Speaker 2>antiseptic smells, and cultures around the world who were never

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<v Speaker 2>in contact with one another. All were like, hey, if

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<v Speaker 2>I chew this, it might do something for my breath.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And all kinds of cultures all over the world

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<v Speaker 1>have and still do chew on little twigs and sticks

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<v Speaker 1>of different plants because A they might make things smell

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<v Speaker 1>a little better. B you're kind of scrubbing your teeth

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<v Speaker 1>like you would a toothbrush, And I think that's it,

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<v Speaker 1>just A and B sure, yeah, it makes well.

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<v Speaker 2>No, there's another one that's ant in bacterial most of

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<v Speaker 2>the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, there you go. I knew that was a number three.

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, ab and three yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And they've also ground up different kinds of powders to

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<v Speaker 1>make into what you know, would qualify as toothpaste.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, And these were very misguided because they were like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>if we use an abrasive, it'll get that gunk off

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<v Speaker 2>really really well. So they would use everything from like

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<v Speaker 2>ground up oyster shells to sand to pulverize bricks to pummus.

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<v Speaker 2>And they figured out pretty quickly at different times in

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<v Speaker 2>different places. And then I guess the knowledge was lost

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<v Speaker 2>or not passed on that you couldn't get too abrasive

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<v Speaker 2>because you'll pull the enamel right off of the teeth.

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<v Speaker 2>So there were probably a lot of unhappy people walking

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<v Speaker 2>around at different periods in history with stripped enamel off

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<v Speaker 2>of their teeth and really really sensitive teeth because their

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<v Speaker 2>roots were that much more exposed, which is awful.

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<v Speaker 1>It is awful. Yeah, And I think like people can

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<v Speaker 1>overbrush today and do similar damage, right sure.

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<v Speaker 2>And it wasn't just the toothpaste or too powders or

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<v Speaker 2>whatever they were concocting that were problematic. The original tooth brushes,

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<v Speaker 2>I think the first one was invented in China just

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<v Speaker 2>before the fifteen hundreds, and it used hog bristles. That

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<v Speaker 2>thing was in use until the nineteen the twentieth century

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<v Speaker 2>around the world. They basically used hog bristles until nylon

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<v Speaker 2>was invented in the thirties. And they're like, let's see

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<v Speaker 2>if this makes a softer brush, then the hog bristles

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<v Speaker 2>that make our gums bleed every time we brush.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you ever bet a hog?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? They're not soft. They look soft now not.

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<v Speaker 1>It's almost like a porcupine esque. That stuff is really bad.

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<v Speaker 2>A little bit. Also, go check out our porcupine episode.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, all right, well, let's wind it up in with jeez.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we've covered this too, we had didn't realize.

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<v Speaker 2>We did an episode on the hygiene hypothesis.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, is you know, can you get too clean? And

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<v Speaker 1>the answer is yes. Since twenty sixteen, when the FDA

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<v Speaker 1>banned some ingredients and antibacterial soaps.

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<v Speaker 2>We did an episode on that too. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>They started saying, you know, to keep saying that it's

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<v Speaker 1>so fun, though they've said, like, you know, some of

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<v Speaker 1>this stuff is having negative health impacts because you're wiping

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<v Speaker 1>out all the bacteria potentially creating superbugs, the good microbes

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<v Speaker 1>that you need, and like, let's tone it down here

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<v Speaker 1>with the antibacterial stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I knew about the superbugs problem. What I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>know is that there's possibility that the two main ingredients,

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<v Speaker 2>triclosane and triclo carban are also hormonal disruptors too. So

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<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of reasons not to use antibacterial soaps,

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<v Speaker 2>and chief among them is you don't need it. It

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't do anything more than regular soap, and it's probably harmful.

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<v Speaker 2>They also kill bacteria indiscriminately, and as we're slowly realizing

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<v Speaker 2>here in the twenty first century, the microbiome in our

0:51:53.200 --> 0:51:56.240
<v Speaker 2>body and on our body is really vital to our health.

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<v Speaker 2>So you don't want to just kill off everything if

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<v Speaker 2>you don't have to can irritate skin in all sorts

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<v Speaker 2>of places.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know that, seeb them. And again, like hair,

0:52:07.160 --> 0:52:11.000
<v Speaker 1>everyone's skin is different. So some people skin does better

0:52:11.000 --> 0:52:14.320
<v Speaker 1>if it's a little oiler. Some skin gets way too oily,

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<v Speaker 1>And you know acne can happen. Did what on an acne? Too?

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<v Speaker 1>But I remember, and I might have told this story

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<v Speaker 1>in the acne when when I was little, I wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to We're not little. I was probably like twelve. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>my sister and other teenagers were using the like buff

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<v Speaker 1>puffs and nutri gena soap, and I thought, you know

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<v Speaker 1>that made you like, you know how you pretend to

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<v Speaker 1>do older things. And so one time I got a

0:52:38.239 --> 0:52:42.200
<v Speaker 1>buff puff and a nutrigena and like scrub my face

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<v Speaker 1>really good, just like my sister did. And I had

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<v Speaker 1>never had pimples until I did that. And I had

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<v Speaker 1>pimples after that a little, I mean just for like

0:52:49.960 --> 0:52:53.040
<v Speaker 1>that week, and then I luckily never really had pimples again.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, it's because I disrupted my my natural skin

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<v Speaker 1>oils and dried myself out really bad.

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<v Speaker 2>I did the same exact thing and with nutrigena too,

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<v Speaker 2>and I used it almost every day.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh you kept using it?

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<v Speaker 2>I did, and I'm quite sure I changed the chemistry

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<v Speaker 2>of my face for a very long time as well.

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<v Speaker 2>I had a really oily t zone afterward.

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<v Speaker 1>What's a T zone.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the part across the top of your eyebrows and

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<v Speaker 2>down your nose. Oh, oily t zone.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a pretty good Maybe that's the record for the

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<v Speaker 1>album title for sebum pocket, Yeah.

0:53:29.040 --> 0:53:31.120
<v Speaker 2>It is. It'd be a concept album too.

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<v Speaker 1>What else do you have anything else?

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<v Speaker 2>No? I think that's it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Check out the Hygiene Hypothesis. It's interesting. Oh very

0:53:40.160 --> 0:53:41.719
<v Speaker 1>I think everyone kind of gets that. We don't need

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<v Speaker 1>to recap that.

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<v Speaker 2>No, if you want to know about it, just go

0:53:44.640 --> 0:53:48.520
<v Speaker 2>listen to our episode on the hygiene hypothesis. Yeah. Yeah,

0:53:48.560 --> 0:53:52.360
<v Speaker 2>this one was chalk full of interesting stuff and references

0:53:52.360 --> 0:53:55.480
<v Speaker 2>to interesting episodes we've done. So hopefully you'll be like, oh,

0:53:55.520 --> 0:53:58.040
<v Speaker 2>perfume didn't know about that, Oh Soap didn't know about that,

0:53:58.120 --> 0:54:00.800
<v Speaker 2>and you'll just go enjoy a bunch of grooming and

0:54:00.920 --> 0:54:04.719
<v Speaker 2>hygiene episodes. Okay, totally, Chuck said, totally. That means it's

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<v Speaker 2>time for listening to mail.

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<v Speaker 1>Did we do a listener mail on another episode?

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone almost starting back in Man a long time ago.

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<v Speaker 2>When you had that idea.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, I've got a.

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<v Speaker 2>Really good idea.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, here we go. We're gonna call this jogging.

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<v Speaker 1>I might need your help because there's a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of French in here. Okay, Hey, guys. Was delighted to

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<v Speaker 1>learn about the history of exercise in America and surprised

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<v Speaker 1>of how recent it was. Something in the discussions of

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<v Speaker 1>jogging reminded me of a wonderful story I heard from

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<v Speaker 1>a friend we'll call him Paul, paul name some time ago.

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<v Speaker 1>Paul helped chaperon a high school exchange trip to France,

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<v Speaker 1>and he quite enjoyed the family that he stayed with.

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<v Speaker 1>They were kind, and the father would invite him to

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<v Speaker 1>join him on a run. The way this invite was

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<v Speaker 1>expressed was, how would you say, fai t du jogging?

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<v Speaker 2>Fay do fay do jogging. Yeah. I'm not sure what

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<v Speaker 2>that means, though, but I've seen it before.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess do you want to jog with me? Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>I just like to jog. Do you want a jog?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if means okay, so well you read.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, look it up while I'm reading. So anyway, the

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<v Speaker 1>Frenchman would say, faye do jogging and said in acute

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<v Speaker 1>French accent, even the jogging, and it just was amazingly adorable.

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<v Speaker 1>You guys should give it a try, which I just did. Paul, though,

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<v Speaker 1>every time, would agree, thinking it would be a nice

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<v Speaker 1>little gentle jog around the neighborhood, but every time he

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<v Speaker 1>was reminded this was not the case. Before they'd even

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<v Speaker 1>left the driveway, the Frenchman set off at a dead

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<v Speaker 1>sprint because he was training for a race that was

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<v Speaker 1>a long distance sprinting event. He was also clearly an athlete.

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<v Speaker 1>Paul would quickly give up and revert back to just

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<v Speaker 1>regular jogging. And it sounds like the father did a

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<v Speaker 1>few laps around the city like this and caught Paul

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<v Speaker 1>lapped in as it got back to the house. I

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<v Speaker 1>think most I think about this story almost every time

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<v Speaker 1>I hear the word jogging, and I usually mutter that

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<v Speaker 1>in a French accent under my breath for a good chuckle.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for joining me in my breakfast wanders before work,

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<v Speaker 1>Stay well, and that it's from.

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<v Speaker 2>James Okay, so I think what he was saying is

0:56:20.080 --> 0:56:23.240
<v Speaker 2>shall we go jog? Or would you like to go jog?

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<v Speaker 2>But what he was saying is makes the jog? So

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<v Speaker 2>he's saying, do you want to go make the jog?

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<v Speaker 2>That's very cute. It is that's even cuter when you

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<v Speaker 2>know it. And that's a good reason to learn other languages.

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody agreed. Who is that from?

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<v Speaker 1>James?

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks a lot, James, and also Paul indirectly too, and

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<v Speaker 2>also Paul's exchange family. That was very nice of you

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<v Speaker 2>to accept them into your lives. If you want to

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<v Speaker 2>send us an email, just like James did, you can

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