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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hey, and Welcome to the podcast. So I'm Josh, and

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Speaker 2: there's Chuck and Jerry's here too, and we're all sparkling, clean,

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Speaker 2: spotless and not smelly at all for this edition of Stuff,

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Speaker 2: don't you know?

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Speaker 1: Actually I'm a little smelly today.

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Speaker 2: Are you smell? Pull? I think you're you're nice, I

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Speaker 2: would say ripe, but not in an unpleasant way.

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Speaker 1: Oh wait, you didn't scratch. You're supposed to scratch then stuff.

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Speaker 2: Oh oh oh wait, oh yes, that is quite unpleasant.

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Speaker 1: That tickles. All right, that was my joke.

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Speaker 2: That was a great joke. Chuck, now you think so too,

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Speaker 2: But she's on mute so we can't hear her laughing.

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Speaker 1: I am a little bit smelly, but that was not

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Speaker 1: in preparation to record it. Just haven showered in a

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Speaker 2: You know, a couple of days for real?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean yeah, like two days.

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Speaker 2: we're doing it to punish themselves to be better Christians. Essentially,

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Speaker 1: But like, if that's your deal, we're not poopooing it.

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Speaker 1: I love it podcast imitates life or life imitates podcast.

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Speaker 2: And I think they're like, what this is saying is

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Speaker 1: Well, why would the Europeans call them, Harry, I.

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Speaker 2: Think this is wrong, Harry, that there were a lot

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Speaker 1: Wow, all right, man, if you see a guy wearing

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Speaker 2: That would be I will be reporting back on that.

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Speaker 1: What about you know, removing hair like you know, pubic

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Speaker 2: Actually that goes back to ancient Egypt. Did you know that?

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Speaker 1: And I think doesn't the word shampoo come I think

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Speaker 2: Right, Yes, they would. They would anoint their heads with

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and bath houses just kind of kept going from there,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that you've probably done this right somewhere in

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Speaker 2: you're still sitting in the same place that people sat

437
00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,600
Speaker 2: in for, you know, the last four hundred, five hundred years.

438
00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:40,080
Speaker 1: I think Emily went to that very bath sure on

439
00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:43,080
Speaker 1: her trip last year to Hungary. And this is just

440
00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:45,600
Speaker 1: like the social thing. I mean, it's like a big

441
00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:47,240
Speaker 1: hot tub, like you're not bathing, right.

442
00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:49,320
Speaker 2: It is like a big hot tub, and then it's

443
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:52,080
Speaker 2: like a big sauna. And like, this bath house was

444
00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:57,080
Speaker 2: unusual because it was essentially coed, like throughout right, most

445
00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:59,639
Speaker 2: bath houses weren't at the time. They either had separate

446
00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,440
Speaker 2: bathouse for men and women, or they had a single

447
00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,400
Speaker 2: bath house that men used at one time and women

448
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,080
Speaker 2: use at a different time. I'm not sure why this

449
00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:09,679
Speaker 2: particular one bucked the trend because it was such a

450
00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:14,000
Speaker 2: traditional bath Turkish bath, but it was it was definitely coed,

451
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,720
Speaker 2: and it was you know, just yeah, you were just

452
00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:18,480
Speaker 2: sitting there bathing with tons of other.

453
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:20,200
Speaker 1: People you want to swimsuit?

454
00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:23,960
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes you were because it was coed. But

455
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,040
Speaker 2: if you go to like a place like jay ju In,

456
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:28,399
Speaker 2: I think shambily. Have you ever been to that?

457
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:29,960
Speaker 1: No, I'm not into this.

458
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:34,760
Speaker 2: It's amazing, dude. If okay, start taking showers before bed,

459
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:37,119
Speaker 2: and I'll bet you'll be into bathing, like in not

460
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:42,520
Speaker 2: too long. But this is like separate, separated men and women.

461
00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:45,760
Speaker 2: Uh so you're basically naked around a bunch of dudes.

462
00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:48,679
Speaker 2: You don't know. I didn't do it, but listen, you

463
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:52,400
Speaker 2: just you just get used to it, and it's when

464
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:56,240
Speaker 2: you do, it's amazing. Like the whole the whole scene

465
00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:59,840
Speaker 2: is just so chill and like there's just so much

466
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:04,040
Speaker 2: warm water everywhere. It's just so relaxing. It's nuts.

467
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:05,479
Speaker 1: I'm having a panic attack.

468
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 2: Well okay, I'll give you another one. Then if next

469
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,320
Speaker 2: time you're in New York, go to Queens. There's a

470
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:13,960
Speaker 2: place called Spa Castle and it's almost exclusively co ed,

471
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:17,960
Speaker 2: so everybody's wearing bathing suits. But it is it. It

472
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 2: has like all the same stuff and it's it's really great. Yeah,

473
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,320
Speaker 2: I would say try start with spacastle.

474
00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:27,159
Speaker 1: Okay, well, and just to be clear that this is

475
00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:30,440
Speaker 1: uh has nothing to do with like homophobia obviously, I'm

476
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 1: just I was raised Southern Baptists, and I just I

477
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:36,119
Speaker 1: don't like to be naked with myself.

478
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 2: Oh no, I'm with you.

479
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:37,960
Speaker 1: I don't know.

480
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:40,920
Speaker 2: I do not either. I basically had to force myself

481
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:43,320
Speaker 2: to just get over it, and once I did, I

482
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 2: was glad I did.

483
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,200
Speaker 1: But I do know it's like, are you Josh fum stuff?

484
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:50,600
Speaker 2: You should know, right, and I just the helicopter and

485
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:51,680
Speaker 2: I'm like you, no, I.

486
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:56,639
Speaker 1: Am oh man, I need that kind of confidence. So

487
00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:01,680
Speaker 1: you mentioned earlier different times where people you might think

488
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:06,360
Speaker 1: were dirty and maybe weren't, and that is medieval times.

489
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,679
Speaker 1: We had this idea probably that it was just everyone

490
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:13,440
Speaker 1: was disgusting, But they actually bathed fairly regularly back then,

491
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:18,360
Speaker 1: but for the odd reason that they thought it would

492
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 1: help your inside problems, like if you had poor gut

493
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 1: health or digestive issues. They thought bathing might could help that,

494
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,160
Speaker 1: which is you know, they're off base.

495
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, they were a little off base. They also thought

496
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:37,440
Speaker 2: that the that washing your hair would help more than

497
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 2: just bathing, because that's where those digestive issues emanated from

498
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 2: your scalp, and that's why your scalp would get dirty.

499
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 2: It's because you're you have poorly digested food. So they

500
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 2: were a tad bit off. But again, this is where

501
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:53,720
Speaker 2: we get to the point where this is This is

502
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 2: where bathing kind of fell out of favor in the

503
00:25:55,760 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 2: fifteenth sixteenth century Europe. Before that, you know, the twelfth

504
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 2: and thirteenth and I think fourteenth century, like, people actually

505
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:08,240
Speaker 2: bathed more then than they did from the fifteenth to

506
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 2: the eighteenth century in Europe. They were way way more

507
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:17,159
Speaker 2: into bathing and cleanliness and fastidiousness than they were in

508
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:20,879
Speaker 2: the starting in about the fifteenth century. But one of

509
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 2: the things that these people in the later years did

510
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 2: if instead of bathing. They were still concerned with cleanliness,

511
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 2: but like you said, they were way off and in

512
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,520
Speaker 2: their ideas about how to be clean. So they like

513
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:36,879
Speaker 2: they would wear linens as undergarments and change them fairly frequently.

514
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that you know, that makes sense a little bit,

515
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 1: because they thought that it was like the cloth absorbed

516
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 1: bad things and that it would clinge your skin and

517
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 1: it does have that gauzy sort of medical feel and look,

518
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:54,359
Speaker 1: you know.

519
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 2: And also chuck all of those that whole look from

520
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:02,880
Speaker 2: that era, the Sir Walter Ali and like Pilgrim era,

521
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 2: and I know they're not quite the same era, the

522
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:10,400
Speaker 2: like having frilly cuffs or frilly collar. Those are showing

523
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,640
Speaker 2: your undergarments and they're saying, like I'm wearing undergarments. Look

524
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,200
Speaker 2: at how clean it is. I'm a clean person. That's

525
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,120
Speaker 2: what those that's what those were for. I always thought

526
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:20,119
Speaker 2: they were just fashion, but they were. Yeah, they were

527
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 2: a display of hygieneity.

528
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,440
Speaker 1: Yeah.

529
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 2: I hate that word hygiene more than I hate the

530
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:28,479
Speaker 2: word moist.

531
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, hygiene is kind of gross.

532
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 2: I got two words for you that are even worse

533
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 2: than just hygiene alone. You're ready, okay. Hygienic utensil.

534
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:40,640
Speaker 1: Oh. I thought you were gonna say sebum pocket again.

535
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 2: No, sebum, I mean, I get it, it's not a

536
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:47,399
Speaker 2: very very pretty word, but it's at least rounded. Hygienic

537
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:52,639
Speaker 2: is just it's somehow clinical and clean and gross at

538
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 2: the same time. I don't get it.

539
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:58,639
Speaker 1: So what did you say, hygienic tool, hygienic utensil oh, utensil. Yeah,

540
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:02,639
Speaker 1: because they would use those, there were like scrapers and

541
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 1: things that you know, if you didn't want to take

542
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:09,479
Speaker 1: a bath, you might I think King Louis the what

543
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 1: is that fourteenth Yes, supposedly never took a bath or

544
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 1: very few and he would I know, we talked about

545
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 1: aqua vite on some episode, but that's the non e

546
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:25,160
Speaker 1: proof ethanol alcohol, So he would he would scrape himself

547
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 1: with these scrapers and wipe himself down with alcohol instead

548
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 1: of just taking a bath.

549
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:35,200
Speaker 2: Yeah. So again they were clean and trying to be clean.

550
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:37,680
Speaker 2: They were just clean in ways we don't really recognize

551
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 2: or think are just kind of ridiculous today. But again,

552
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 2: if there's one thread throughout this whole episode, it's that

553
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:48,920
Speaker 2: humans have basically always had the impulse to groom themselves somehow.

554
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, and especially as different theories of disease come along,

555
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:58,479
Speaker 1: like once germ theory came along and that kind of

556
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 1: semi coincided with plumbing getting better and better, all of

557
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 1: a sudden, people are like, all right, if you've got

558
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: a little status, then you can afford baths, and you

559
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,479
Speaker 1: can afford to stay clean and therefore healthy.

560
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 2: Yeah. The first shower it's called a shower box that

561
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 2: you could buy and install at your house, was from

562
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 2: like the mid eighteenth century, so we've had showers for

563
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 2: a while. And apparently the United States outpaced Europe in

564
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 2: adopting indoor plumbing and bathroom fixtures because we were basically

565
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 2: building this new nation and industrializing at a time when

566
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 2: Europe was already still well established. So it was easier

567
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 2: for us to install pipes rather than retrofit.

568
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so funny. That makes perfect sense.

569
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 2: It does. It's hilarious. Now we need to retrofit everything

570
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 2: because our sewers are falling apart, as is most of

571
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 2: the infrastructure in the United States.

572
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 1: Oh well, speaking of soapboxes, we promised a little bit

573
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 1: at talk of soap. We have a really good episode

574
00:29:55,840 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 1: on soap and its history. But as a recap, the

575
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 1: Mesopotamians used rendered fat and lye from wood ash, and

576
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 1: that was sort of a primitive soap. But a lot

577
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 1: of this early soap was used to wash clothes and

578
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 1: blankets and stuff like that, and it wasn't used for

579
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 1: washing the body until later.

580
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 2: No, it was once we figured out and we I mean,

581
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 2: we learned from the Middle Easterners during the Crusades that

582
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 2: you could make soap from vegetable oil rather than pork

583
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 2: fat soap. Yes, that's when we started using it on

584
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 2: our bodies for sure.

585
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I imagine it was a lot of that. Early

586
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 1: soap was very filmy and kind of greasy. Yeah.

587
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 2: And when you put a fat together with a with lye,

588
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 2: so you derive lye from wood ash and then fat

589
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 2: from either animals or plants, a process called sopontification happens

590
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 2: chemical reaction. You get glycerol and I can't remember the

591
00:30:56,120 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 2: other thing, Oh, fatty acid salts or soap salts, and

592
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 2: that's there's your soap right there.

593
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 1: I was about to say we could go grab Emily

594
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 1: for specifics, but for sure, that'd be great if she

595
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 1: just was like, no, I don't remember any of that stuff.

596
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 1: My business is done, right. Civil War, all of a

597
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 1: sudden people were like post Civil War, I guess, or

598
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 1: actually during the Civil War, you know, they realized that

599
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 1: good health could come from bathing, regularly cleaning your body.

600
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 1: And that's when like real like commercial soap came onto

601
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 1: the scene thanks to Procter and Gamble, who introduced ivory

602
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 1: soap finally to the world, the floating ivory soap.

603
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, the whole it floats thing was a reference to

604
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 2: river bathing, which most people still did at the time. Like,

605
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 2: even if you had access to water, you probably didn't

606
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 2: have a shower, which meant you had to heat up

607
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 2: water pour it into a tub and it was a

608
00:31:57,680 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 2: big process. So it was probably easier to just take

609
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,959
Speaker 2: cold bath in the river, and if your ivory soap floated,

610
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 2: you could find it more easily than having to dig

611
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 2: around on the river bottom. Yeah, river bathing just sounds

612
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 2: really great to me. But nineteenth or earlier nineteenth century

613
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 2: or earlier river bathing, I would not want to bathe

614
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 2: the most of the rivers in America today.

615
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 1: I've done it.

616
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 2: Do you not know about our infrastructure?

617
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 1: I've done it on camping trips, And you know, it's

618
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 1: always important to use the I don't know what you

619
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 1: call it, but the soap that's okay for rivers. It

620
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 1: doesn't hurt you know, fish.

621
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 2: Oh oh sure, without phosphates, I think yeah.

622
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 1: But even then I'm like, is this really okay? I

623
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 1: don't know. They say it is, yeah, I.

624
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 2: Think fairly natural soap is fine. It's the industrial soap

625
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 2: that's the problem, because there's so much easier to create

626
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:57,479
Speaker 2: chemicals that stand in for the natural version. Yeah, so

627
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 2: that's usually the problem. The natural versions probably just fine

628
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 2: for the river.

629
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 1: I guess ari. I wouldn't do me wrong, right, no way.

630
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 1: Shampoo also came along thanks to Procter and Gamble, the

631
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 1: shampoo that we think of today, and that was a dream.

632
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 1: Dr E n E was I think one of the

633
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 1: first ones, and that was in the nineteen thirties and

634
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 1: that's when they said, all right, like you were kind

635
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 1: of talking about, we've developed these synthetics for factants now

636
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 1: that clean your hair really good. And prior to that,

637
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 1: people were using boiled soap shavings and that was sort

638
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 1: of filming and gross. So they eventually came up with

639
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 1: the synthetic stuff and it worked.

640
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, good enough. At least.

641
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:44,959
Speaker 1: Do you wash your hair every day? You don't wash

642
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 1: your hair?

643
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 2: Yeah? Almost every day?

644
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 1: Oh wow?

645
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 2: All right, yeah, I have to really watch it. I've

646
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 2: got to use like good shampoo because it's really easy

647
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 2: to dry out and strip. And I didn't use conditioner

648
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 2: for a while because I think I used bag conditioner,

649
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 2: so it just like my hair would just be flat

650
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 2: and limp and lifeless on my head and I'd be like,

651
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 2: I'm not using this, but Now I found that if

652
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 2: you use good conditioner and use it every couple of days,

653
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:10,839
Speaker 2: oh boy, my hair looks amazing.

654
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean different hair. People's hair is different, and

655
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 1: different hair does better sometimes washing it a lot, maybe

656
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 1: in conditioning, and sometimes not washing it as much. And

657
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 1: I know, like hair styling, Like my hair styles better

658
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 1: after a couple of days without washing it. Sure, so

659
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:32,839
Speaker 1: I only only wash my hair like once a week.

660
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 2: Maybe you have a thick, nice mane of hair and

661
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 2: like I do not, I've got anthony heatous hair.

662
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 1: I have a lot of hair, but it's it is thin.

663
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 1: It's not a I mean thin. I think thin. Is

664
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 1: that the hair strand it's thin?

665
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:51,959
Speaker 2: Well yeah, and then collectively they're thin.

666
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:55,400
Speaker 1: Yeah. Maybe that's it because I never it looks like

667
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:57,840
Speaker 1: I have a lot of hair, but I don't like

668
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 1: in college my little ponytail speaking around as a ring finger.

669
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:05,319
Speaker 1: Maybe I was always jealous of these guys that had

670
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 1: those big, beefy pony tails.

671
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:11,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I'm with you, like a horse's tail or

672
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 2: a pony. I guess the carry Scot did he have

673
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 2: a ponytail.

674
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:20,360
Speaker 1: He grew his hair out once when he lived in

675
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 1: l A for a while he grew his hair out,

676
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 1: and of course he you know, he looked like a

677
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:31,359
Speaker 1: combination of Chris Chris Cornell and wonder Woman Linda Carter.

678
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:34,959
Speaker 2: Only Scott could pull that off.

679
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:36,319
Speaker 1: Oh, I know, he looked good.

680
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,839
Speaker 2: Let me, I want to I want to correct myself too.

681
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 2: Your hair could be thin individually, and also it can

682
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 2: be thin in number.

683
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 1: I think I both.

684
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,919
Speaker 2: So it sounds like you have thick hair that's thin

685
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:51,280
Speaker 2: in number. Oh, all right, that'd be my guess. Okay,

686
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 2: either way, your hair looks magnificent all the time.

687
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 1: I thinks you're testing. I like it. It's good. Uh.

688
00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 1: Should we take a break or should we keep going?

689
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 1: Should we talk perfume and then break?

690
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's do that, and we should direct people to

691
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 2: our perfume episode. You know, we've done an episode in

692
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 2: almost every section in here.

693
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 1: I know it's funny. Yeah, we really haven't. Do we

694
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 1: do deodorant?

695
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 2: Yeah? The difference between anty person and deodorant very well

696
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:18,279
Speaker 2: A long time ago.

697
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's an old one. Perfume though, is you know

698
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 1: I've talked about it plenty of times, and how much

699
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 1: I hate colonnes and perfumes and getting in lift cars

700
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:31,479
Speaker 1: and elevators and just ended up smelling like someone else.

701
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:35,320
Speaker 1: I think it's I don't want to Yu young, but

702
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 1: you're making someone else smell. So I feel like it's

703
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 1: okay to stand up and say please stop doing that. Sure,

704
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 1: because that smell gets on you. But ancient Egypt and

705
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 1: places like that would have been a nightmare. And like

706
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 1: the Versai, like all these places, all they did was

707
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 1: just cake perfumes and smells onto everything instead of really

708
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 1: bathing and watching, right.

709
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 2: Because then you have like all these crazy floral and

710
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:05,400
Speaker 2: sweet sense on top of body odor, which means it's

711
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 2: kind of intermingled with body odor. So it's not Yeah,

712
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 2: it would not have been pleasant for me either.

713
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:16,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's no good. Ancient Egypt they use ostrich egg

714
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:18,240
Speaker 1: apparently in tortoise shell.

715
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:20,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, I could not find anything on that.

716
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, that must have I don't know what kind of

717
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:25,839
Speaker 1: odor that would have. Maybe that was a stabilizer or something,

718
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:26,359
Speaker 1: and they.

719
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 2: Smell like tortoise.

720
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 1: I don't know.

721
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,839
Speaker 2: Well, the thing is, I think we must have mentioned

722
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 2: this in the Perfume episode two. With distillation in the

723
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,799
Speaker 2: thirteenth century, you finally get alcohol based perfumes, and that

724
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 2: like revolutionized everything. I don't think we talked about because

725
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 2: this was news to me. The first known or recorded

726
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 2: alcohol based perfume was called Queen of Hungary Water, supposedly

727
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 2: hails from the thirteenth century, named after the thirteenth century

728
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 2: Queen Elizabeth or Isabelle of Hungary at the time.

729
00:37:59,600 --> 00:37:59,959
Speaker 1: With an.

730
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, that's very Hungarian, and it was scented with rosemary.

731
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 1: I like rosemary. Sure do you ever stroke a rosemary

732
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 1: plant on a dog walk from a neighbor?

733
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:17,840
Speaker 2: My friend, we have long branches of rosemary like sitting

734
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:19,760
Speaker 2: around our house in vases and stuff.

735
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's great.

736
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 2: Stay answer your question every time.

737
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 1: I mean, we have our own rosemary. But yeah, when

738
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 1: we're on walks and we see rosemary, basically everyone in

739
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 1: the family just runs their hand along one of them

740
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 1: and then kind of wipes it on their shirt or something.

741
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 2: And for that reason, you should never use rosemary that

742
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 2: you grow in the front of your house that people

743
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:38,439
Speaker 2: can contact in your foot.

744
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:41,399
Speaker 1: Oh man, they didn't think about that.

745
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 2: I mean, that's on them. If they're using it, you

746
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 2: can go ahead and walk in touch, that's what people do.

747
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 2: But if they're using it to cook with, that's their fault.

748
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:50,319
Speaker 2: They need to grow it in the.

749
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 1: Back, so someone's marinating steak might have a little.

750
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 2: Chuck on it, a little bit of chuck.

751
00:38:57,560 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: I like to think that adds a little certain something.

752
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 2: It doesn't icy.

753
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:07,760
Speaker 1: So we talked about germ theory of disease for a while.

754
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 1: That was called the miasma theory of disease Anetinc.

755
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 2: Episode.

756
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's when they thought that, you know, the

757
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 1: nasty smelling air could be a carrier of disease. And

758
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 1: I guess what they were talking about was airborne illnesses,

759
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 1: which could happen for sure, But going around and spraying

760
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:29,919
Speaker 1: really sweet smelling herbs and things I don't think really

761
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:30,919
Speaker 1: helped much.

762
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,320
Speaker 2: No, definitely not. Their treatment for it didn't make sense.

763
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 2: But it's always it's puzzled me why people just poo

764
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 2: poo this like it's idiocy, Like it makes a lot

765
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:43,359
Speaker 2: of sense. Actually, sure, there's probably even I think there's

766
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:46,240
Speaker 2: diseases that you that have like distinct smells that humans

767
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 2: can detect, So it makes sense to me. And I

768
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 2: mean there's actually something called tularimia, which is a type

769
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 2: of disease. I can't remember exactly what kind it is,

770
00:39:56,560 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 2: but you can get it from inhaling the decay of

771
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 2: a rotting rabbit or cat carcass.

772
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, and it's bad.

773
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 2: It's bad news because that's actually the worst version of tularimia.

774
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:10,319
Speaker 2: You can get it all sorts of ways, like through

775
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 2: touch and all that stuff too, but when you inhale it,

776
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 2: the respiratory version is really bad and it stinks. Obviously,

777
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,720
Speaker 2: the carcass of the cat or rabbit stinks at that point,

778
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:22,720
Speaker 2: but you're actually getting yeah, exactly, you're getting disease from

779
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 2: an offensive smell that's mixed with those odor molecules. So

780
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 2: I mean, there's at least one disease that miasma theory

781
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 2: holds up with. All right, I think we've talked about

782
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 2: that dying on this hill.

783
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 1: All right. Well, let's take a break and we'll talk

784
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 1: about deodorant and wind it down with bad breath right

785
00:40:42,160 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 1: after this. All right, So deodorant. The first commercial deodorant

786
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 1: that really sold was called Mum Mum all the way

787
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 1: back in eighteen eighty eight, and it was a cream

788
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 1: that you applied that would kill odor producing bacterias. It

789
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 1: was kind of greasy. Nineteen oh three surprised me, ever,

790
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 1: dry that was the first antiperspirant, all the way back

791
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 1: in nineteen oh three.

792
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it used the same stuff that they used today,

793
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:33,280
Speaker 2: aluminum salts that plug the pores that keep you from sweating.

794
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 2: That's how antipersperants work. So, speaking of this stuff, deodorant,

795
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 2: anti pursprant, it's significant and unique in that this is

796
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 2: not an ancient type of grooming. This is actually really new,

797
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 2: Like this doesn't have its roots in Greece or Egypt

798
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 2: unless you count perfumes. The actual attempt to counter body

799
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 2: odor with theodor and antiperspriant is twentieth century I mention basically.

800
00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 1: That's right. And a teenager invented something called odor rono

801
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:07,320
Speaker 1: like odor oh no, named Edna Murphy. She was the

802
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 1: daughter of a surgeon and he had apparently sweaty hands,

803
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 1: so she invented this anti perseprint to keep daddy's hands

804
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 1: dry and then started selling it door to door and

805
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 1: pharmacies and stuff. It did not catch on initially because

806
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 1: people are like, oh, I've got these dress shields to

807
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 1: soak up my underarm sweat and keep my shirt from

808
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 1: getting pit stains.

809
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 2: Rubber dress shields.

810
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I can't. They still make dress shields people

811
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 1: wear my guests rubber ones. I don't know about rubber,

812
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:42,320
Speaker 1: but I mean dress shields are a thing I didn't

813
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 1: know that. Yeah, look up dress shields isn't there. You

814
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 1: can buy them on a you know, dress shields dot com.

815
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 2: You can buy cat based dress shields.

816
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 1: But the odor Rono wasn't going well until advertising really

817
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 1: picked up on it and marketing and a guy named

818
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 1: Jane Eames Young, who was a copywriter ended up being

819
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 1: very successful, started doing something that would become a hallmark

820
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:10,919
Speaker 1: that I think someone argue still goes on today, which

821
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:17,320
Speaker 1: is selling beauty products and hygiene products out of fear,

822
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 1: most notably targeted toward women. And you'll see this over

823
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 1: and over from here on out, which is your breath

824
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:26,840
Speaker 1: might stink and you won't get a man. Your body

825
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,879
Speaker 1: probably stinks so you won't get a man. You got

826
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:35,439
Speaker 1: underarm sweat on your dress, so you can't get a man.

827
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 1: And it was all based around this thing, like you know, ladies,

828
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:41,799
Speaker 1: unless you clean up your act literally, then you're not

829
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 1: going to get that husband.

830
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, and this guy is patient zero, James Young, the

831
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 2: guy who created this whole thing, and they still do

832
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 2: it today. It's crazy, but he had a I guess

833
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 2: for odor Ono, he had an advertising campaign called Oh,

834
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 2: I Think the Curve of a Woman's Arm, And it

835
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:03,360
Speaker 2: looked like an article in the Lady's Home Journal. It

836
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 2: had like a headline and the sub subtitle was a

837
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 2: frank discussion of a subject too often avoided, and it

838
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 2: was basically about, like, do you think you're dainty? Are

839
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:16,760
Speaker 2: you sure you're dainty? Do you know it's possible you smell?

840
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 2: And if you smell, you probably don't detect it yourself.

841
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 2: Other people do And this is like huge, Like people

842
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:25,959
Speaker 2: did not talk about that kind of thing. And there's

843
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 2: this whole one page ad in the Lady's Home Journal

844
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:33,320
Speaker 2: And apparently two hundred subscribers canceled their subscriptions and cited

845
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 2: that as the reason. But as far as Oderono was concerned,

846
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 2: it worked really well because their sales increased I think

847
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 2: one hundred and thirteen percent year over here.

848
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a big jump, and just to keep people

849
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:51,439
Speaker 1: from emailing. Oderono was also the name of a WHO song,

850
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 1: Oh really from the band of Who. It was on

851
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 1: the Who sell Out, which was that one record they did.

852
00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 1: It's kind of a concept record, I guess where there

853
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 1: were like little fake It was supposed to be like

854
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 1: a radio station, so they made these little fake radio commercials.

855
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 1: And Oderono was one that Pete Townsend wrote in saying

856
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 1: about the deodorant Oderono, and he has a big giant

857
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:18,840
Speaker 1: stick of Oderno on the album cover that he's putting on.

858
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 2: I mean, that's a great one to choose, because that

859
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 2: was the one that changed everything. That really kind of

860
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 2: created marketing to people's worst fears and self consciousness about themsel, you.

861
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 1: Know, and all of the ads kind of from here

862
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 1: on out for a long time. And like I said,

863
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 1: still today there are ads that sort of poke around

864
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 1: that they're not as overt like the one I think

865
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 1: it was. I think, oh no, it was Oderono again

866
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 1: that said beautiful but dumb. She's never learned the first

867
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 1: rule of long lasting charm, which is, you know, don't

868
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 1: stink right exactly.

869
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 2: And again it was women that were targeted at first, because,

870
00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 2: like you said, you're never going to get a man

871
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 2: because you smell, so you odor ono. And then eventually

872
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 2: men fell under the spell of James Yelling and his ilk.

873
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:10,839
Speaker 2: And there was a deodorant called top Flight, which was

874
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 2: first sold in the thirties, and I think another one

875
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 2: called Seaforth marketed to men that you know, we're in

876
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:22,799
Speaker 2: the Great Depression and everybody's job is insecure, So do

877
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 2: you want to be the one at the office that

878
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:26,400
Speaker 2: stinks because you're going to be the first one they

879
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 2: cut when layoffs come around? Like, that's nuts. And when

880
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 2: you look at it historically, it's like that's crazy. And

881
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:35,880
Speaker 2: then you look at our ads today and it's like,

882
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 2: this is the same thing. It's just more sophisticated.

883
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:43,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Sea fourth was at least one version of

884
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:45,319
Speaker 1: it in the forties was sold in it looks like

885
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:49,279
Speaker 1: a whiskey jug. And actually found the one. It wasn't

886
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:53,400
Speaker 1: eBay it with some other sales site, but it's supposedly

887
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:55,959
Speaker 1: still had product in it really and it was only

888
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 1: twelve dollars, So I was like, maybe I should buy this.

889
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:00,800
Speaker 1: I gotta see what that tastes like or tastes like gross?

890
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 1: What it smelled what it smells like.

891
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 2: Was it Etsy that you saw it on? No, I

892
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 2: don't remember where it was, but it was probably Etsy,

893
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 2: you think, so, Chuck, I think we should finish up

894
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:15,800
Speaker 2: wind down, as you put it before with bad Breath,

895
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 2: And I would direct people to our halatosis. I think

896
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:24,759
Speaker 2: Colon Worst Smell Ever episode, Yeah, which is a good one.

897
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:28,840
Speaker 2: But again, this is this has got some new stuff

898
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:30,360
Speaker 2: in it. If you ask me, like, did you know

899
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 2: that in the Talmud, bad breath is considered a quote

900
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 2: major disability and grounds for divorce.

901
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 1: It's in the Talmud.

902
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, in that nuts I had no idea, but it's

903
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 2: been around a long time. People are like, hey, you

904
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 2: can do something about that, and you should for the

905
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:50,359
Speaker 2: rest of our sake. Yeah.

906
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 1: I think it's interesting how like maybe underarmed body odor

907
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 1: was just sort of accepted and people are like, I

908
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 1: guess that's what people smell like. But it seems like

909
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:03,320
Speaker 1: from the beginning bad Breast people are like mm mmmm no, no, no, no,

910
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 1: that's I don't like.

911
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 2: That, and that interesting. I don't know why it really is.

912
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't either.

913
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 2: So people have been combating this. This is like the

914
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 2: opposite of deodorant. Like, people have been trying to do

915
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 2: something about us for a really long time. We've recognized

916
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:21,440
Speaker 2: plants having some plants having like fresh smells or almost

917
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 2: antiseptic smells, and cultures around the world who were never

918
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 2: in contact with one another. All were like, hey, if

919
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:30,240
Speaker 2: I chew this, it might do something for my breath.

920
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, And all kinds of cultures all over the world

921
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 1: have and still do chew on little twigs and sticks

922
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:43,479
Speaker 1: of different plants because A they might make things smell

923
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 1: a little better. B you're kind of scrubbing your teeth

924
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 1: like you would a toothbrush, And I think that's it,

925
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 1: just A and B sure, yeah, it makes well.

926
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:55,400
Speaker 2: No, there's another one that's ant in bacterial most of

927
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:55,719
Speaker 2: the time.

928
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:57,880
Speaker 1: Oh, there you go. I knew that was a number three.

929
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:00,319
Speaker 2: And yeah, ab and three yeah.

930
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 1: And they've also ground up different kinds of powders to

931
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 1: make into what you know, would qualify as toothpaste.

932
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 2: Yes, And these were very misguided because they were like, oh,

933
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:12,919
Speaker 2: if we use an abrasive, it'll get that gunk off

934
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:16,279
Speaker 2: really really well. So they would use everything from like

935
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 2: ground up oyster shells to sand to pulverize bricks to pummus.

936
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 2: And they figured out pretty quickly at different times in

937
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:29,320
Speaker 2: different places. And then I guess the knowledge was lost

938
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:31,840
Speaker 2: or not passed on that you couldn't get too abrasive

939
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 2: because you'll pull the enamel right off of the teeth.

940
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 2: So there were probably a lot of unhappy people walking

941
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:41,920
Speaker 2: around at different periods in history with stripped enamel off

942
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 2: of their teeth and really really sensitive teeth because their

943
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:48,400
Speaker 2: roots were that much more exposed, which is awful.

944
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:53,799
Speaker 1: It is awful. Yeah, And I think like people can

945
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 1: overbrush today and do similar damage, right sure.

946
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:00,839
Speaker 2: And it wasn't just the toothpaste or too powders or

947
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 2: whatever they were concocting that were problematic. The original tooth brushes,

948
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 2: I think the first one was invented in China just

949
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:13,920
Speaker 2: before the fifteen hundreds, and it used hog bristles. That

950
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:17,840
Speaker 2: thing was in use until the nineteen the twentieth century

951
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 2: around the world. They basically used hog bristles until nylon

952
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:23,719
Speaker 2: was invented in the thirties. And they're like, let's see

953
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:26,720
Speaker 2: if this makes a softer brush, then the hog bristles

954
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:28,800
Speaker 2: that make our gums bleed every time we brush.

955
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:30,760
Speaker 1: Have you ever bet a hog?

956
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:33,759
Speaker 2: Yeah? They're not soft. They look soft now not.

957
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:37,760
Speaker 1: It's almost like a porcupine esque. That stuff is really bad.

958
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 2: A little bit. Also, go check out our porcupine episode.

959
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:45,479
Speaker 1: Right, all right, well, let's wind it up in with jeez.

960
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:48,920
Speaker 1: I think we've covered this too, we had didn't realize.

961
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:51,240
Speaker 2: We did an episode on the hygiene hypothesis.

962
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:54,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, is you know, can you get too clean? And

963
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 1: the answer is yes. Since twenty sixteen, when the FDA

964
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:02,799
Speaker 1: banned some ingredients and antibacterial soaps.

965
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:04,399
Speaker 2: We did an episode on that too. Yeah.

966
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 1: They started saying, you know, to keep saying that it's

967
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 1: so fun, though they've said, like, you know, some of

968
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:15,320
Speaker 1: this stuff is having negative health impacts because you're wiping

969
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:21,280
Speaker 1: out all the bacteria potentially creating superbugs, the good microbes

970
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 1: that you need, and like, let's tone it down here

971
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 1: with the antibacterial stuff.

972
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I knew about the superbugs problem. What I didn't

973
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:30,760
Speaker 2: know is that there's possibility that the two main ingredients,

974
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 2: triclosane and triclo carban are also hormonal disruptors too. So

975
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:39,360
Speaker 2: there's a lot of reasons not to use antibacterial soaps,

976
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 2: and chief among them is you don't need it. It

977
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:44,799
Speaker 2: doesn't do anything more than regular soap, and it's probably harmful.

978
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:49,440
Speaker 2: They also kill bacteria indiscriminately, and as we're slowly realizing

979
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 2: here in the twenty first century, the microbiome in our

980
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:56,240
Speaker 2: body and on our body is really vital to our health.

981
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:58,279
Speaker 2: So you don't want to just kill off everything if

982
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 2: you don't have to can irritate skin in all sorts

983
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 2: of places.

984
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:06,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know that, seeb them. And again, like hair,

985
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 1: everyone's skin is different. So some people skin does better

986
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:14,320
Speaker 1: if it's a little oiler. Some skin gets way too oily,

987
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 1: And you know acne can happen. Did what on an acne? Too?

988
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:20,919
Speaker 1: But I remember, and I might have told this story

989
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:22,840
Speaker 1: in the acne when when I was little, I wanted

990
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:25,759
Speaker 1: to We're not little. I was probably like twelve. You know,

991
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 1: my sister and other teenagers were using the like buff

992
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:32,880
Speaker 1: puffs and nutri gena soap, and I thought, you know

993
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:35,319
Speaker 1: that made you like, you know how you pretend to

994
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:38,239
Speaker 1: do older things. And so one time I got a

995
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 1: buff puff and a nutrigena and like scrub my face

996
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 1: really good, just like my sister did. And I had

997
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:47,440
Speaker 1: never had pimples until I did that. And I had

998
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:49,840
Speaker 1: pimples after that a little, I mean just for like

999
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 1: that week, and then I luckily never really had pimples again.

1000
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's because I disrupted my my natural skin

1001
00:52:57,560 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 1: oils and dried myself out really bad.

1002
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:02,799
Speaker 2: I did the same exact thing and with nutrigena too,

1003
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 2: and I used it almost every day.

1004
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 1: Oh you kept using it?

1005
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 2: I did, and I'm quite sure I changed the chemistry

1006
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 2: of my face for a very long time as well.

1007
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:14,239
Speaker 2: I had a really oily t zone afterward.

1008
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 1: What's a T zone.

1009
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 2: It's the part across the top of your eyebrows and

1010
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 2: down your nose. Oh, oily t zone.

1011
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:25,759
Speaker 1: That's a pretty good Maybe that's the record for the

1012
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 1: album title for sebum pocket, Yeah.

1013
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 2: It is. It'd be a concept album too.

1014
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 1: What else do you have anything else?

1015
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:35,319
Speaker 2: No? I think that's it.

1016
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 1: Yeah. Check out the Hygiene Hypothesis. It's interesting. Oh very

1017
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:41,719
Speaker 1: I think everyone kind of gets that. We don't need

1018
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:42,319
Speaker 1: to recap that.

1019
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 2: No, if you want to know about it, just go

1020
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 2: listen to our episode on the hygiene hypothesis. Yeah. Yeah,

1021
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:52,360
Speaker 2: this one was chalk full of interesting stuff and references

1022
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 2: to interesting episodes we've done. So hopefully you'll be like, oh,

1023
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 2: perfume didn't know about that, Oh Soap didn't know about that,

1024
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:00,800
Speaker 2: and you'll just go enjoy a bunch of grooming and

1025
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:04,719
Speaker 2: hygiene episodes. Okay, totally, Chuck said, totally. That means it's

1026
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 2: time for listening to mail.

1027
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 1: Did we do a listener mail on another episode?

1028
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 2: Everyone almost starting back in Man a long time ago.

1029
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:16,400
Speaker 2: When you had that idea.

1030
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:18,719
Speaker 1: That's right, I've got a.

1031
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 2: Really good idea.

1032
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 1: All right, here we go. We're gonna call this jogging.

1033
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:28,880
Speaker 1: I might need your help because there's a little bit

1034
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 1: of French in here. Okay, Hey, guys. Was delighted to

1035
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 1: learn about the history of exercise in America and surprised

1036
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 1: of how recent it was. Something in the discussions of

1037
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:39,399
Speaker 1: jogging reminded me of a wonderful story I heard from

1038
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:45,439
Speaker 1: a friend we'll call him Paul, paul name some time ago.

1039
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:48,840
Speaker 1: Paul helped chaperon a high school exchange trip to France,

1040
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 1: and he quite enjoyed the family that he stayed with.

1041
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 1: They were kind, and the father would invite him to

1042
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 1: join him on a run. The way this invite was

1043
00:54:56,200 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 1: expressed was, how would you say, fai t du jogging?

1044
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:06,400
Speaker 2: Fay do fay do jogging. Yeah. I'm not sure what

1045
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:08,080
Speaker 2: that means, though, but I've seen it before.

1046
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 1: I guess do you want to jog with me? Maybe

1047
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:13,239
Speaker 1: I just like to jog. Do you want a jog?

1048
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1049
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 2: I don't know if means okay, so well you read.

1050
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:19,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, look it up while I'm reading. So anyway, the

1051
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 1: Frenchman would say, faye do jogging and said in acute

1052
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:26,880
Speaker 1: French accent, even the jogging, and it just was amazingly adorable.

1053
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 1: You guys should give it a try, which I just did. Paul, though,

1054
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:32,719
Speaker 1: every time, would agree, thinking it would be a nice

1055
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:35,799
Speaker 1: little gentle jog around the neighborhood, but every time he

1056
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 1: was reminded this was not the case. Before they'd even

1057
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 1: left the driveway, the Frenchman set off at a dead

1058
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 1: sprint because he was training for a race that was

1059
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:50,040
Speaker 1: a long distance sprinting event. He was also clearly an athlete.

1060
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 1: Paul would quickly give up and revert back to just

1061
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 1: regular jogging. And it sounds like the father did a

1062
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:59,280
Speaker 1: few laps around the city like this and caught Paul

1063
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:03,040
Speaker 1: lapped in as it got back to the house. I

1064
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:05,040
Speaker 1: think most I think about this story almost every time

1065
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:07,600
Speaker 1: I hear the word jogging, and I usually mutter that

1066
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:10,000
Speaker 1: in a French accent under my breath for a good chuckle.

1067
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:13,319
Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me in my breakfast wanders before work,

1068
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:15,160
Speaker 1: Stay well, and that it's from.

1069
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:19,400
Speaker 2: James Okay, so I think what he was saying is

1070
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:23,240
Speaker 2: shall we go jog? Or would you like to go jog?

1071
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:26,319
Speaker 2: But what he was saying is makes the jog? So

1072
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:28,240
Speaker 2: he's saying, do you want to go make the jog?

1073
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:32,319
Speaker 2: That's very cute. It is that's even cuter when you

1074
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:34,800
Speaker 2: know it. And that's a good reason to learn other languages.

1075
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:37,600
Speaker 2: Everybody agreed. Who is that from?

1076
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:38,440
Speaker 1: James?

1077
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:42,920
Speaker 2: Thanks a lot, James, and also Paul indirectly too, and

1078
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:46,759
Speaker 2: also Paul's exchange family. That was very nice of you

1079
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:49,400
Speaker 2: to accept them into your lives. If you want to

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Speaker 2: send us an email, just like James did, you can

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Speaker 2: send it off to stuff podcast at iHeartRadio dot com.

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Speaker 1: Stuff you Should Know is a production of iHeartRadio. For

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