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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Anny and Samantha. I'm welcome to Stephane.

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Speaker 1: Never told you protection of I Heart Radio. And today

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Speaker 1: it is time for a second in the month of May,

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Speaker 1: feminist movie Friday. Well, the last one is a feminist

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Speaker 1: movie Wednesday. This one might be too, but I think

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Speaker 1: it's a Friday feminist movie. Feminist movie Day. Yes, Yes,

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Speaker 1: And this one I'm really really excited to talk about.

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Speaker 1: It was a suggestion of yours and you have some

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Speaker 1: really fond memories of it, right, I do. So. Obviously

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Speaker 1: we had to do something for Asian Pacific American Heritage Month.

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Speaker 1: It needed to be done. You're welcome, um. And even

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Speaker 1: though it's not in the US, this is one of

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Speaker 1: the first bill I think I really watched where I

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Speaker 1: was like, oh, look, an Asian character that is being

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Speaker 1: actual girl who gets the main guy. Oh my god.

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Speaker 1: And also highlights one of the big actress is since

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Speaker 1: then Kira Knightley. Yes, Ben did like Beckham and when

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Speaker 1: we were originally trying to find a movie, because I

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Speaker 1: was like, we need to we need to do this,

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Speaker 1: we already, we already did Joint Luck Club as a book,

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Speaker 1: So do we need to do the film? I don't know,

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Speaker 1: blah blah blah. And then I mentioned this movie and

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Speaker 1: you said, oh, yeah, I've never seen it, in which

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Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, yeah, that's it. We're watching this

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Speaker 1: immediately because I was one of my favorite films. So

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Speaker 1: this was two years after I graduated high school, three

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Speaker 1: years and I just loved everything about Somewhat wholesome. Uh.

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Speaker 1: It was a big movie directed by an Indian director

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Speaker 1: who also had one of my favorite Bollywood films, Bride

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Speaker 1: and Prejudice, and y'all, if you've never seen it, I

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Speaker 1: remember watching this in college and loving every bit of it.

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Speaker 1: As cheesy as it can get, but delightful as it

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Speaker 1: can get because it's Bollywood, and if you don't know

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Speaker 1: it is bright. It makes you feel nice. Yeah. Of

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Speaker 1: course we're not going to talk about any of the

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Speaker 1: politics of it, all of Bollywood industry, but in itself

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Speaker 1: it had some international reigns during that time, it was awesome.

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Speaker 1: So bend it like Beckham is one of my favorite movies.

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Speaker 1: I used to watch it all the time. As in fact,

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Speaker 1: like again, like I said, the heroine in this movie

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Speaker 1: even though we really didn't need the boy. But still

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Speaker 1: for a person who had always seen rom coms and

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Speaker 1: it was always the white girl and the handsome man,

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Speaker 1: good fields. Also, I really loved soccer, so it was

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Speaker 1: even better. Oh nice. Yeah, So I remember when this

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Speaker 1: the plot Mennet light Beckham is a two thousand two

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Speaker 1: It stars Parminder Nagra as Jess Mender, Jess car Brahma,

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Speaker 1: Here Nightley as Juliet, Jules Paxson, Archie Punjabi as Pinky

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Speaker 1: car Bambra, and Jonathan Rice Myers as Joe. The title

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Speaker 1: refers to how football slash soccer player David Beckham was

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Speaker 1: actually really fascinating science behind us, but that's a different

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Speaker 1: podcast though. Shada also spoke about the bending and how

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Speaker 1: it referred to how women have to move to succeed

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Speaker 1: in a male dominated industry. And here's a quote. We

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Speaker 1: Ian Wright was the inspiration for this whole idea. It was.

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Speaker 1: This movie was a critical and financial success and it

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Speaker 1: and I loved it. So the plot follows Jess, who

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Speaker 1: Jess's father goes to one of her games without telling

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Speaker 1: also sees how Joe comforts her after Um. This is

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Speaker 1: talked about it. But Jules's mother is also very opposed

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Speaker 1: As she says talking about sporty Spice doesn't have a

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Speaker 1: it was a little different but seemingly same lines. Because

429
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 1: ignorance is ignorance, and racism is racism, and prejudices, prejudice

430
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:45,359
Speaker 1: and power plays come into effect into both of these

431
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 1: and trying to become acclimated but at the same time

432
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:51,640
Speaker 1: keeping your identity was a big portion of this movie,

433
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 1: which I did really appreciate all. Again, That's one of

434
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:57,000
Speaker 1: the things about the identity portion. It's like, Okay, being

435
00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:59,280
Speaker 1: a first generation coming in, really want to be a

436
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,879
Speaker 1: part of this culture, loving parts of this culture, but

437
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 1: also loving my culture and my family's culture and the

438
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 1: generations before. How do I merge these together and respect

439
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 1: them together? Right right, right right? And to have the

440
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,920
Speaker 1: moment where she the racial slur, like her father has

441
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:19,199
Speaker 1: that memory, for her to have it and to have

442
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:23,440
Speaker 1: it be weaponized against her, it's basically like, you don't

443
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:26,680
Speaker 1: belong here, and whereas that constantly you know, you're being othered.

444
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 1: You're not British, but she is at least, you know,

445
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:39,119
Speaker 1: And that's kind of seeing that generational difference but still

446
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:45,399
Speaker 1: experiencing the same racism was it was one of the

447
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 1: key hearts of the movie, right, and I think they

448
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,879
Speaker 1: handled it and talked about it really well. Again, like

449
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 1: I said before, us viewers kind of with over our

450
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:59,720
Speaker 1: heads because we we we have discrimination against obviously uh

451
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 1: and rations in general, but those were very specific to

452
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,919
Speaker 1: like the terms and such was very specific to the

453
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 1: UK at that point in time, So for me it

454
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:11,920
Speaker 1: kind of went over my head. But at the same time,

455
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 1: that hurt that the other that being discriminated against not

456
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 1: only by a coach, but by a referee seemingly and

457
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:22,359
Speaker 1: by players, and being accepted to be that way that resonates.

458
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,439
Speaker 1: And then also we're gonna talk about kind of the

459
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 1: family relationships in a minute, but there was, as you mentioned,

460
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 1: kind of these expectations placed on Jess from her family

461
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 1: about like helping her mother, doing chores, getting grades, being

462
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:43,959
Speaker 1: obedient and pleasant, and through that lens from other people

463
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 1: just experienced some racism where people were like, so that's weird,

464
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 1: like what are you doing. So it was very like

465
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 1: for a movie that could, if you wanted, you could

466
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 1: describe it simply as like a feel good sports comedy movie,

467
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 1: had a lot of nuance in it around these kinds

468
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 1: of things. And then I did find an essay about

469
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 1: colorism uh in this and it was really really interesting

470
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,640
Speaker 1: and I would recommend looking up again. There's so many

471
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 1: essays about well, you know, one of the things that

472
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:25,439
Speaker 1: we do and are very talented at without knowing is

473
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:29,680
Speaker 1: coming up on anniversary dates. Because this year it celebrates

474
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:33,200
Speaker 1: twenty years since it was released. It's been twenty years,

475
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:36,439
Speaker 1: so I was like, oh my god, how did we

476
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 1: do this again? Because there's articles about where are they now?

477
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 1: What did this mean and the impact of this movie,

478
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 1: and I was like, perfect timing is more usual. So therefore,

479
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 1: there are a lot of good essays and were discussions

480
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:50,879
Speaker 1: about this movie because of that. Yes, every now and

481
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 1: then Samantha accident rates. Yeah, I'll take it, I will

482
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 1: take it. But yeah, I would recommend looking at that essay.

483
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 1: I just wanted to mention it, um because I thought

484
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 1: it was really interesting, but I think that the essay

485
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 1: would do it better justice because they are coming from

486
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 1: personal experience. UM. I also wanted to talk about queer

487
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:23,120
Speaker 1: relationships because we did mention quite a few and this

488
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 1: was something I didn't necessarily pick up on. But there

489
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,199
Speaker 1: is a big like why couldn't Jewels and Jess have

490
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:37,200
Speaker 1: been together? Uh push and Chatta later admitted she quote

491
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 1: chickened out on depicting a relationship between Jewels and Jess

492
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 1: due to fear of backlash from Indian audiences. So that's

493
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 1: what she she said. And there's so many essays about

494
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 1: this too, and there were a lot of people that

495
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 1: are like, well, bisexuality is a thing or polyamory is

496
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 1: a thing, you know, not necessarily mean like they can't

497
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 1: be in a relationship later, or they couldn't all be

498
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 1: in a relationship Joe, Jules and Jess uh. And I know,

499
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 1: I know, I know, before you get angry in in

500
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 1: the email. It's different to like think about it versus

501
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 1: actually see it, uh and have it confirmed. But I

502
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 1: did think that was a good point to make because

503
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 1: I feel like bisexuality, especially often gets sort of completely dismissed. Right,

504
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 1: she could still be queer. Yeah. Also another part of

505
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 1: this conversation is there was a bit of an anti

506
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 1: like there was a little bit of homophobia in this

507
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 1: whole context, and I was like, oh, that part doesn't

508
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 1: age too great because of the languages do sometimes and

509
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: then like the mother and all of that, Jules's mother

510
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 1: being ridiculous over the top um, all of those things

511
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 1: do have that at the moment of like, oh this

512
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 1: is kind of cringe e. But it was two thousand

513
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 1: two and not necessarily that it had to be defied.

514
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 1: Jules had a relationship with quote unquote relationship with the coach, However,

515
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 1: her focus was not on any of that. Her focus

516
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 1: was never on that. So I don't think it has

517
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 1: like that to me takes away from what was happening

518
00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 1: with her trying to find happiness. Point like, did I

519
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 1: think I think they did the typical throw in a

520
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 1: roll romance because you know, you got to for the ladies.

521
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 1: I'm saying that like sarcastically all, but that's essentially what

522
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 1: was happening. I feel like that was like a throwaway

523
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 1: part of the plot. It was about her finding her

524
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 1: love and doing something that she loved, which included football,

525
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:19,239
Speaker 1: going away from her family, and standing up to her

526
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 1: family point blank. And instead of focusing on a relationship

527
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 1: or a romance, a doomed romance or like a stary

528
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 1: eyed romance that was you know, rebellious, they focused on

529
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 1: something else. And I appreciated that for a person who

530
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 1: was always like all these movies about founding boys, it

531
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 1: wasn't that was just a side okay, why not? And

532
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 1: so any type of relationship, to me was unnecessary. I

533
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 1: kind of appreciate it. I did appreciate that Jules did

534
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 1: not find Typically in these movies, you'll see that she's

535
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 1: she gets the secondary character to character, you know, the

536
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 1: side to gets the secondary character. They didn't need that.

537
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:56,719
Speaker 1: Moving on the fact that her friend Tony you know,

538
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 1: comes out as gay. I feel like it was really

539
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 1: a push of like we needed to learn to accept

540
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 1: and see what this looks like. That was more of

541
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 1: the stance on the sexuality. I think then, more than

542
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 1: the relationships. That makes sense, right, I agree, I mean

543
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 1: I think the relationship definitely felt secondary. It felt like,

544
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 1: you know, she wanted this football. I feel like that

545
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 1: was for the audience, like here you go, here you go,

546
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 1: but this is not what we wanted. The writer necessary. Yeah,

547
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 1: I mean, but as you said, it was nice to see, like, Okay,

548
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 1: there was that added plus was like, oh it wasn't

549
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 1: the white girl who got it cool, that makes me

550
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 1: feel like but yeah, the overall was like it was

551
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 1: more about her, this is about her taking her stand

552
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 1: point Blake, But I also was able to show like, yes,

553
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:43,719
Speaker 1: as a woman, as a white woman, she still had

554
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 1: to struggle to make her way to be known, like

555
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 1: to push into like getting that acceptance as well. It

556
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 1: was easier for her than just obviously, but you know

557
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 1: that was like we all struggle a little bit type

558
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 1: of conversation. But yeah, I think it was interesting that

559
00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 1: people talk about that and I don't. I'm like, yeah,

560
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 1: why not why not, But I mean, like I think

561
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 1: I read that after I had watched it, and I

562
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 1: was like, oh, yeah, yeah, I can definitely see it.

563
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 1: Um Kira Knightley famously I said, yes, she wished she

564
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 1: was on board. I did. I saw a lot of

565
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 1: articles about Tony being like the gay best friend, but

566
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 1: also that he was actually he was more fleshed out

567
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 1: than that character normally is and then at the time

568
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 1: was still pretty rare to get that representation at all.

569
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 1: Well to me, like, yes, he could have been the

570
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 1: gay best friend, but I think we see the gay

571
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 1: best friend as being a caricature of the gay person.

572
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 1: And that's why it's so ridiculous that they become the

573
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 1: jester of the movie. Same thing for people of color

574
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 1: and marginalized people of color, that they become the jester,

575
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 1: the kicking bag, the punching bag, the clown in the background,

576
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 1: and that's what happens, and he's not. He is the

577
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:54,959
Speaker 1: supportive friend who was really like the ones that like

578
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 1: you need to push through your dreams because he I

579
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 1: have a feeling would want that for himself as he's

580
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 1: finding a lot of his life, like that's kind of

581
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 1: that same level, like just accepting, you know, like trying

582
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 1: to help someone who you have. When you struggle yourself,

583
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 1: you want someone else to get that, somebody to be

584
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 1: able to be happy. Yeah. Yeah, I got a good friendship. Yeah.

585
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 1: There's also the stereotype that women's soccer players are all gay.

586
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 1: But I would also add, given what you said about

587
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 1: sporty spies, just like sporty women, right, and particularly like

588
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 1: I guess male dominated sports are gay right or something, well,

589
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 1: you know, like if not, they're gonna be overall sexualized.

590
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 1: So the friends of Tony's, the dudes Indian guys who

591
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 1: are coming to watch sports with Tony, watch justin with Tony.

592
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 1: Like the first thing comments is talking about the black

593
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 1: player Mel, who is like look at her rack, which

594
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 1: is really discussing it. Then and then they're like he's

595
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 1: like he stops, and he goes can you not see

596
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,359
Speaker 1: them as footballers? They're like start busting up laughing. They

597
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 1: became kind of the joke, which I appreciated. It flips

598
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 1: his head of like you're the idiots. Here we go,

599
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 1: um bt dubs. The player, the woman who plays Mel

600
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 1: is one of the late singers of all things who

601
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 1: happens to be one of my favorite girl bands from

602
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 1: the UK after Spice Girls, You Walk Ume, Yes the Fun.

603
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 1: Actually didn't know this until this year. I was like,

604
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,840
Speaker 1: the hell was her? I love the whole thing. So

605
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,959
Speaker 1: I still have that in my play nice I would

606
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 1: have to look that up. Yeah, I didn't get connected.

607
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 1: I told the story before. The boys would give his

608
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,399
Speaker 1: state names based on how bigger Boops was and how

609
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 1: mountainous the state was. And it's hard to focus on

610
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 1: a sports when that's what you're hearing from the sidelines,

611
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 1: especially when you're young and insecure. Right. Uh, there's also

612
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:08,879
Speaker 1: like Jules mom, We're going to talk about more because

613
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 1: she did say a lot of really problematic stuff purposefully,

614
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 1: Like she was like caricature. Yeah, she definitely, like I

615
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 1: used the word accused of being a lesbian on purpose.

616
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,840
Speaker 1: She did it as like this is bad, this is

617
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 1: real bad. Right, So there was that aspect as well. Um,

618
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 1: And then one of the big themes and this is

619
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,879
Speaker 1: also friendships and friendships between women, which we talked about

620
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 1: all the time. We've seen the praises of I saw

621
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:42,280
Speaker 1: a lot of people specifically mentioned the differing body types,

622
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 1: but also that they changed in the dressing room and

623
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 1: this team and didn't seem to have like they weren't

624
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 1: insecure about it, right. I wondered if you noticed the

625
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 1: part about the tampon and she pulls it out and

626
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:55,879
Speaker 1: say the painters and decorators are in. I guess that's

627
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 1: a UK saying because I've never heard that right, But

628
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, we're talking about table.

629
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:03,840
Speaker 1: This is two thousand to someone actually pulled out a

630
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 1: tampon in a movie. That's amazing. And to talk about

631
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 1: it like that she actually had her period what and

632
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:14,839
Speaker 1: that she was still playing sports? What I did notice it?

633
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:18,840
Speaker 1: Did you this that I did? I did? And it

634
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 1: was still shocking, and I'm still upset that it was shocking.

635
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't like that bypassed me as a kid.

636
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 1: I don't know if I was like, huh, okay, moving on,

637
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 1: or like didn't realize the significance in that. I really

638
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 1: love that they left that in. I do say the

639
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:38,359
Speaker 1: part of the problematic portions are the pinky and hurt

640
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 1: little friends, and I'm putting them in air quotes because

641
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 1: they're all very competitive of each other. I feel like

642
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,400
Speaker 1: it's definitely a stereotype to put in there when the

643
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 1: girls like not being married and who's doing this and

644
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:54,840
Speaker 1: who's hotter than what. It was interesting to have that

645
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 1: in there, the slut shaming, all of that, but it

646
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 1: is reminiscent of a nineteen eighties nine nineties rom com

647
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 1: to to have that in there. But we do get

648
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 1: to see the good friendships in the team and how

649
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 1: they truly support each other. I do love that in

650
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 1: the sister relationship. As fighting as they can be and

651
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 1: as different as they are, they really do support each other.

652
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 1: They do, they do. And there is the aspect of

653
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 1: like Jess and Jules getting a fight over Joe, which

654
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 1: is sort of that competing over a guy thing. I

655
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 1: do think. I think part of the issue is we've

656
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,840
Speaker 1: been like pitted against each other for so long, but

657
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 1: I think this one is different. Like we see that

658
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 1: all the time, so that's already kind of a problem,

659
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 1: but this is different in that like, maybe I'm reading

660
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 1: this wrong, but Jess didn't seem to pick up on

661
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 1: like either thing with Jules are with you. It sort

662
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 1: of seemed like, oh, I might be interested in this guy,

663
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 1: and then they did make up, um eventually. I think

664
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 1: it's I think it's fair to say that we do

665
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 1: have those fights and there are jealousies that happened. I

666
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,360
Speaker 1: think that's I could tell you a high school story

667
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,919
Speaker 1: which was similar to that. But both of those things

668
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 1: to say is Joe was never interested in jewels, and

669
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 1: that was very obvious. A B. They went past it

670
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,360
Speaker 1: because they realized that wasn't the big deal in their lives.

671
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:23,360
Speaker 1: That's not what they cared about the most. And I

672
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 1: appreciate that from both ends. It's kind of like, yeah,

673
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 1: we have crushes. Oh no, this is a misunderstanding. Oh,

674
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 1: but we were on the bigger things. I really love

675
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 1: that move on. Yeah, and you you know, you chose.

676
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 1: They chose their friendship over that, Like they didn't let

677
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:40,840
Speaker 1: it blow up because they realize, like this is bigger

678
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 1: and this hopefully will stick around. So yeah, I did

679
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 1: appreciate that. Um. And then also yes, there was family

680
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 1: was a big part of this, particularly the mother daughter relationship,

681
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:54,720
Speaker 1: also the mother father. But I just find this interesting

682
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 1: with the mother daughter thing because I think we're seeing

683
00:38:56,320 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff right now, which again twenty years later,

684
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 1: where we are seeing these things of definitely like the

685
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 1: patriarchal thing is still there, kind of the like women

686
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 1: hurting other women and not maybe realizing that they are

687
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 1: um because of the systems that they were raised in

688
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 1: and because of the expectations that were placed on them, uh,

689
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 1: and all of these things. So I just thought that

690
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 1: was that was something that huh there it is. Yeah,

691
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 1: his mother daughter relationship is so complicated and these things.

692
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 1: It is well when you think about the generational things

693
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:41,319
Speaker 1: and what the expectations were for women as it goes on,

694
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:45,879
Speaker 1: if you look at what is happening generationally, they're being

695
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 1: more lenient as it comes, but it's still really difficult,

696
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 1: and that leniency still doesn't meet the standard of modern society.

697
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 1: So as she states that at the time I was

698
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 1: your age, I was already married king full Indian dinner,

699
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:03,320
Speaker 1: she actually says that, and at this point she's like,

700
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 1: you're gonna learn some dishes. So she's waited this long

701
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 1: to put this place on her because she did want

702
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 1: to allow her to have that life. But she was

703
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 1: scared for her because if she doesn't follow into these traditions,

704
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 1: that means she's going to be an outcast. And it

705
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 1: doesn't affect just her, affect the entirety of a family,

706
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 1: including the sister, including them be like they're talking about

707
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:25,359
Speaker 1: the model wearing short short skirts and being kicked out

708
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 1: of temple, like those are the things that we don't

709
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 1: talk about as much like the mother, as concerning and

710
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:34,839
Speaker 1: as judgmental, as as as heavy as it feels, they

711
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:37,840
Speaker 1: really are thinking this is the betterment for their child

712
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 1: as well, because they don't have the opportunity to be like,

713
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 1: we don't have to do that as where men can. Yeah, no,

714
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 1: I agree, And I think there's definitely a fear aspect

715
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 1: of getting outcast or being judged or whatever it is.

716
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 1: So I think it's kind of it might not look

717
00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 1: but I often think it's like a protective and if

718
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 1: motherhood is the basis of who you are as a

719
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 1: person and you fail at that, you know, a father

720
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 1: doesn't have that same They have the legacy of the family, sure,

721
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 1: but they're the providers and all of that. So it's

722
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:14,839
Speaker 1: kind of the outward scope. And then but a mother

723
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 1: that is literally like if you can't keep your children

724
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 1: to follow through and maintain, then you have failed your

725
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 1: one job at least in this cultural idea. In this moment,

726
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:28,879
Speaker 1: and she Uh, the director talks about how she had

727
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 1: taken her own experience with our family and her mother

728
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 1: specifically was the inspiration to this mother who was straight.

729
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 1: By the way, in the lineup of the elderly Indian

730
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 1: women and the sister and the wedding party, her mother

731
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:48,760
Speaker 1: isn't that actual mother is in there? Cool? Another fun

732
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 1: fact packed. Uh And then yes, finally we wanted to

733
00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:01,840
Speaker 1: talk about sports and women and sexism because there's just

734
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 1: like tiny little pieces throughout where I kept picking up

735
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:07,439
Speaker 1: on like yp okay, there's that. So there's a whole

736
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:12,360
Speaker 1: conversation about just showing her bare legs um and shorts

737
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:15,840
Speaker 1: and how that would not be appropriate. Um, there's several

738
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:20,319
Speaker 1: instances when you already mentioned of the players being sexualized

739
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 1: that is actually agres Leg is actually scarred from childhood.

740
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 1: That is real. And when she auditioned. Before she auditioned,

741
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 1: she actually sent an email her talent agents at the

742
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:32,399
Speaker 1: email to the director just like just so you know,

743
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 1: we know there's a scene there's a giant scar And

744
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 1: because of that, the director actually wrote that end for

745
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 1: her that was not a part of the original movie.

746
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 1: And I love that so much because it was such

747
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 1: an acceptance. Why didn't directors do that more often? What

748
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:54,800
Speaker 1: could it be? Yeah? Yeah, And her. I mean, even

749
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 1: without the scars, I feel like a lot of us

750
00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 1: when we were younger, a lot of those women had

751
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:03,320
Speaker 1: that moment of like embarrassment or shame around her legs,

752
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:05,479
Speaker 1: and then you've got the added thing of the scar.

753
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:10,799
Speaker 1: There was also taking of measurements, a lot of talk

754
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:16,439
Speaker 1: about boobs, mangoes, do see juicy mangoes. I'm not gonna lie.

755
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:18,799
Speaker 1: That's the line that my friends and I was saying

756
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 1: to each other. I'm an out of context too. It

757
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,439
Speaker 1: didn't make sense, but I still love it. Yeah. Yeah.

758
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 1: There is a scene where Jewels and her mother are

759
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 1: shopping and Jewels is like looking at sports bras and

760
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 1: her mom is like, no, you need this, Jill bro

761
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,359
Speaker 1: like you need all these other things. And I had

762
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:44,720
Speaker 1: this no, well I did when I got older, painful,

763
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 1: Yeah they are. I was. I was actually really I

764
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 1: was kind of like this where I was just like

765
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 1: I just wanted sport, right, I don't need anything else.

766
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 1: I'm nervous um and I had kind of I went

767
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 1: through puberty early, so I had pretty big breast pretty early,

768
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 1: so I was very self conscious and I did not

769
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 1: want bra like I was nine years old, I didn't

770
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 1: want to go, I just sports, bra, leave me alone, right. Um.

771
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 1: But this also because kier and Nightley's character Jewels, there

772
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:22,319
Speaker 1: was that scene she had the short hair, which kept

773
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 1: coming up as not being feminine enough, I suppose, And

774
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 1: then I believe her mom said to her dad at

775
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:31,360
Speaker 1: one point, You've got a daughter, not a son, so

776
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 1: essentially saying like this very gendering of the sports and

777
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 1: the clothes and the hair, that yeah, this is not correct,

778
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:43,359
Speaker 1: this is wrong. She should be more feminine. I did

779
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 1: find this interesting. I found a whole essay about how

780
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 1: Jess like I'm starting with that glorious day dream that

781
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:54,400
Speaker 1: we see. Uh, it's not that she wants to be

782
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 1: with Beckham, but she has a crush on him. She

783
00:44:56,640 --> 00:45:00,799
Speaker 1: wants to be him. She it's a very professional, like

784
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 1: she's imagining being as skilled and talented as he is. Yeah,

785
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 1: well we also see it in the conversation he has.

786
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 1: She was like I played today, I was brilliant. Like

787
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 1: she's talking to him as a as a co player,

788
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 1: as a teammate, um, as if someone who could have

789
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 1: coached her and taught her along the ways are the

790
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:22,399
Speaker 1: fun fact that was David Beckham Because for the longest time,

791
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 1: the way they had it filmed, I thought it would

792
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:28,240
Speaker 1: just lookalike, but it was David Beckham on the film,

793
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 1: and he he said he would do it. And he

794
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 1: was actually very supportive of the title and everything because

795
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 1: at that point in time he was a huge proponent

796
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 1: of having women in soccer and women in sports and

797
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 1: talking about that that was necessary and he was glad

798
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 1: to see more of it and wanted his name to

799
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 1: be a part of it. That could be a whole

800
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 1: kind of a different, other other level, but you're just

801
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 1: being able to support and show that he has He

802
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 1: was supporting it, So I loved that too. That's awesome

803
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 1: is a very fun fact. Yeah, but I do love that.

804
00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:00,799
Speaker 1: I love that aspect of it because we recently did

805
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 1: an episode. I'm not immune. I've had my celebrity crushes,

806
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 1: but I like that this was not a crush. It

807
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:08,239
Speaker 1: was right. I want to be as good it was

808
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 1: Tony's question, Ah, yes you are. I also read a

809
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,359
Speaker 1: lot of essays about how powerful it was for people

810
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 1: at the time who hadn't seen something like this to

811
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 1: see kind of this camaraderie on the team, people women

812
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:26,479
Speaker 1: playing and competing with other women, but still kind of

813
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:29,800
Speaker 1: maintaining those friendships. And also how for Jess that was

814
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 1: a new thing because she'd been playing with these boys

815
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 1: in the park and they did have these comments. Um,

816
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 1: but when she started playing with them, it was a

817
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:38,760
Speaker 1: different experience for her and it was a new experience

818
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:42,720
Speaker 1: for her as well, so and she got confidence. Yes,

819
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 1: I loved it. I did too. I did too. Uh.

820
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 1: And then there was more like sports specific, but there

821
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 1: were kind of those comments around low turnout for the

822
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 1: women's teams and how like they're never gonna get anybody

823
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 1: to show up, is biased refereeing and all these are

824
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:07,799
Speaker 1: all things that yeah, we're still talking about has progressed,

825
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:12,360
Speaker 1: but still conversations that are happening. But they have to

826
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 1: approve themselves more and more exactly exactly. But Yeah, I

827
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 1: loved it. I'm glad we picked it. I'm glad you

828
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:25,799
Speaker 1: loved it. It was important that you liked it. That'd

829
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 1: be the end of our friendship's no, No, I did.

830
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:34,320
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed it. Yeah, So thanks for the suggestions,

831
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 1: Samantha and listeners. If you have any suggestions, we would

832
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 1: love to hear them. Our email is Stephanie and mom

833
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:43,040
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834
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836
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837
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Speaker 1: you need to go watch it. I know yes, but

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