1 00:00:01,080 --> 00:00:04,440 Speaker 1: This is Louis Goldmert sitting in for Sean Hannity, The 2 00:00:04,559 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 1: Sean Hannity Show, and we're going to get right to it. 3 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:13,320 Speaker 1: We have Mark Morgan, the former acting Customers Border Patrol 4 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 1: Commissioner and Heritage visiting fellow. We've got Tom Holman, former 5 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 1: acting ICE Director and Heritage visiting fellow. And I hope 6 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 1: that this doesn't destroy their credibility. But they're also friends 7 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 1: of mine. I don't know if they'll admit that on 8 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:35,240 Speaker 1: national radio, but I think the world of these guys, 9 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 1: and that's demonstrated where when we get together, we're giving 10 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:41,599 Speaker 1: each other a hard time and not cutting each other 11 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 1: any slack. But these are guys. They know about the border, 12 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: they know about border security, and they've seen it work 13 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 1: and they've seen it not work. Mark, Tom, Welcome to 14 00:00:55,880 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 1: the Sean Hannity Show. Great forever, Absolutely, And you know what, 15 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 1: I'm proud to call you a friend, Louis. Oh good 16 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 1: well on national radio. That's how I'm thrilled. Well, look, guys, 17 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 1: so you saw the big news. The Supreme Court is 18 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:16,679 Speaker 1: saying we're gonna hold tittle forty two in place. But Mark, 19 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:18,959 Speaker 1: I would just see in an article where you made 20 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 1: the outrageous statement that, gee, the Biden administration hadn't been 21 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:27,320 Speaker 1: enforcing it anyway. That's right, Louis. There's two important things. 22 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 1: With or without Titled forty two, we are and have been, 23 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 1: in the midst of the worst catastrophic self inflicted order 24 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 1: security crisis in our lifetime the past two years. Again, 25 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 1: with Title forty two in place, we've seen over six 26 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 1: million encounters, and the Gataways a part of that six million. Again, 27 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 1: historicize one point two million Gataways among the gataways or 28 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 1: criminals national security threats. We know that we've had unprecedent 29 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 1: number of drugs getting it across the border not being seized, 30 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: killing Americans every single day. We could go on and on. 31 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 1: So make no mistake, even if Totter forty students stays 32 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 1: in place, we are still in the midst of an 33 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 1: unmitigated capacrophy along the southwest border. And the second thing 34 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 1: that I'll say to this is Totter forty two is 35 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:13,640 Speaker 1: not a border security tool, authority or policy. It's not. 36 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 1: It's a public health policy. And so that's why I'm 37 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:21,080 Speaker 1: so infuriated, with all due respect, that the Republicans participated 38 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 1: and that passage them the Omnimbust bill that all as 39 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 1: it did was throw millions more a couple of billion 40 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 1: at DHS not to secure the border, but to continue 41 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:33,519 Speaker 1: just cover up the crisis they've created. Yeah, and one 42 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:36,360 Speaker 1: of the things that someone was found before the vote 43 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 1: and we were pointing out to others, you've got sections 44 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 1: there of money going for border security and to hire 45 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 1: more agents. But then it was a provision that specifically 46 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 1: said this money cannot be used to secure the border. 47 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 1: I mean, it's so outrageous what they are doing. Tom 48 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 1: you heard Mark, what are your thoughts on this? For me? 49 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:05,919 Speaker 1: And marketing one hundred center agreement and titled forty two. 50 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 1: We got to remember title forty two was not a 51 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 1: game changing Titan forty two certainly helps support control and 52 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 1: now standing in place, it would help them a little 53 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 1: bit more because if they would have lifted it, there 54 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:18,960 Speaker 1: would have been more crossing the border. And you know, 55 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:22,080 Speaker 1: seventy eighty ninety percent of agents are already off the 56 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 1: line deal with this crisis processing people, so they would 57 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 1: have pulled more agents off the line, which means more 58 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 1: fat markets in here to kills Americans, bar sex, trafficking, women, children, 59 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 1: it's more vulnerable to known suspective terrorists when there's nobody 60 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 1: patrolling the border. But to be clear, Title of forty 61 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 1: two under President Trump and Marthets, they removed over eighty 62 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 1: percent of everybody under under Biden. If you look at 63 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:50,119 Speaker 1: the dad in the CBP website, they've actually released more 64 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 1: people into the US then they returned under Title of 65 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 1: forty two. And I've said for weeks I'm sick and 66 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 1: tired of secretaries and saying you know it supporting the 67 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 1: stasion and the CDC thing. Yeah, I get it. But 68 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 1: if you really want to secure the board of mister secretary, 69 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 1: the federal courts have said to remain in Mexico is legal, 70 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 1: you can you can re implement that today. And that 71 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 1: was a game changer in the Trump administration. If you 72 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 1: really want to get the boarder to relief, if you 73 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 1: really want to secure the board, like you keep saying, 74 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 1: you want to prove it, put the remainder of Mexico 75 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:22,599 Speaker 1: back in. Well, you got majorcas it says, no, it's 76 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 1: already secured. We've secured the border. We had a call 77 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:30,279 Speaker 1: a while ago from Amarilla, Texas saying we got drug 78 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:34,159 Speaker 1: cartels set up up here in the Panhandle of Texas. 79 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 1: Isn't that appropriate to understand that there are cartels that 80 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 1: are setting up in cities all over the country. Yeah, 81 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 1: well you're at Mark answer that. Yeah, Tom didn't mean 82 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:51,600 Speaker 1: to cut it. Yeah, so, Loui, you're absolutely right. That's 83 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 1: one of the false arres that this administration, the open 84 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:57,159 Speaker 1: border advocates are to simply line to American people about 85 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 1: the mexicrtels don't just operate in Mexico and they don't 86 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 1: even operate in the West or hemisphere where they do. 87 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:05,720 Speaker 1: But that's not it. They're also in the United States. 88 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:10,720 Speaker 1: That's how they're able to fulfill their criminal operation is 89 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:13,279 Speaker 1: because they do have an extension and they operate in 90 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 1: the United States. And look, the Secretary you mentioned, this 91 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 1: is why I call Secretary of America is the most 92 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 1: dangerous man and in the Biden administration, because not only 93 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:24,920 Speaker 1: is the chief architect of their current dangerous and deadly 94 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:27,799 Speaker 1: open border policies, but he's lying to the American people. 95 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 1: I mean, look when he tells the American people that 96 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 1: are borders secure and that that are borders are closed, 97 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 1: I think the American people can see what their own 98 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 1: eyes only have to look at is a couple of statistics. 99 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 1: One one point two million god Aways. Those are illegal ends. 100 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 1: Because as Tom said, seventy eighty ninety percent of border 101 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:47,600 Speaker 1: Tory resources are poured off the line. They're relegated to 102 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:51,279 Speaker 1: being a federal travel agencies. They processed millions of illegal aliens. 103 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 1: And what happens in the godaways, that's where criminals are 104 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 1: getting through, potential NASA security threat and drugs. No, mister secretary, 105 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 1: you're lying to the American people. Our borders are not closed. Yeah, well, Tom, 106 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 1: I'm that saying I'm disappointed. I'm discussed with the eighteen 107 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 1: Republican sentators that voted for the omnibus bill because many 108 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:11,480 Speaker 1: of them had been down to the borders doing their 109 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:14,599 Speaker 1: dog and pony shows, saying, hey, this is the terrible thing. 110 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:17,040 Speaker 1: We got to do something about the Biden administration as 111 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:21,480 Speaker 1: reckless and we got Mark Fatnon and gang members and 112 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 1: criminals come across the border and this administration is doing nothing. 113 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 1: Why know eighteen Republican sentators that did nothing because they 114 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:31,159 Speaker 1: voted to amnivalist build they didn't give a single dollar 115 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 1: to border security. Well, not only that it gave up 116 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:38,480 Speaker 1: our leverage to try to force the administration to do 117 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:41,719 Speaker 1: something about it. But and I know, you know, we 118 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 1: talked about it individually before, about article for section for 119 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:51,600 Speaker 1: the United States government guarantees that they'll protect the states, 120 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:55,160 Speaker 1: each state from invasion. And I know y'all know your 121 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 1: history back nineteen sixteen when Pancho Villa came across with 122 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:04,920 Speaker 1: some oaks around New Mexico and there were Americans killed. Heck, 123 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 1: that was dozens, as I understand it. And yet you've 124 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 1: got millions. And I don't know of any specific definition 125 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 1: on what an invasion is, but it's got to be 126 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 1: somewhere short of a million. And you guys are talking 127 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 1: about millions, not just a million, but millions of people. 128 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 1: Just since Biden has been in office, I've been advocated 129 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 1: to see what you think. I've been advocating that since 130 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 1: they didn't keep their guarantee. And yes, we know the 131 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 1: Supreme Court has said only the federal government can enforce 132 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 1: the immigration laws, but when it comes to an invasion, 133 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 1: every state should have the right to stop it. Our 134 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 1: governor in Texas, Governor Abbott, has declared an invasion. He's 135 00:07:56,560 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 1: got national guards. But the trouble that I see is 136 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 1: once somebody gets across the border and puts their feet 137 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 1: on US soil. Now there, Now they're US immigrants there, 138 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 1: and they get to be heard on whether they're claiming 139 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 1: an asylum and all that stuff. And the federal government 140 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 1: has that responsibility. I think that a state has the 141 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 1: obligation and the right to say, you are not crossing 142 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 1: into our state. We'll use non lethal means, but you 143 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:33,680 Speaker 1: are not going to step foot on our soil. What 144 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 1: do you think? Yeah, yeah, So thanks to Look, Lou, 145 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:40,839 Speaker 1: you're outflute right and Tom again, I think we're tracking 146 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:43,079 Speaker 1: on this. I think it's let's be clear, and I've 147 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 1: said this, I'm going to continue say this Governor Outlet 148 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 1: has done more than any other governor in this country 149 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:51,440 Speaker 1: to fill the void left by this administration's abdication of 150 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 1: the constitutional responsibility that you just described to protect the 151 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 1: state from threats from outside our borders. This administration has 152 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 1: failed the constitutional duty. Now in the constitution you just 153 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 1: describe there's a self there's a state self help remedy 154 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 1: when the federal government fails to protect the state. And 155 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 1: that's what Governor Abbott has done. He's availed himself. And look, 156 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 1: it's not just an invasion of the millions of actual 157 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:18,560 Speaker 1: illegal aliens. This is being driven by the cartels. So 158 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 1: it's the state declaration of war against the cartels. And 159 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 1: it's not just an invasion of people. It's an invasion 160 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 1: of criminals. As Thomp said, it's an invasion of drug 161 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 1: it's an invasion of potential national security threats. That's what 162 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 1: the governor has done. The one thing that he hasn't 163 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:34,599 Speaker 1: done that you describe. Look, the USB areal Zonner is 164 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 1: very clear as you state that state cannot enforce federal 165 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 1: immigration law. But when the governor declares an invasion under 166 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 1: the constitutional self help remedy, he's not enforcing federal immigration law. 167 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 1: He's actually taking the steps necessary to protect his state 168 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 1: or her state from an invasion. And that means what 169 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 1: he needs to do. The one thing he hasn't done 170 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 1: yet is detained and remove illegal aliens. Once he starts 171 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:00,120 Speaker 1: remove it and as you say, prevent them from illegal 172 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:02,200 Speaker 1: the entering, you're going to see the numbers go down. 173 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 1: And look, there's a very real issue about potential personal 174 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:09,960 Speaker 1: liability attampting attaching to the guardsmen or the troopers that 175 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 1: do this. I know they're working through that right now. 176 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 1: But until the governor does it, you said, prevent them 177 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:21,719 Speaker 1: from entering and removing, this crisis is going to continue. Yeah, Tom, 178 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 1: I agree with Mark conversenter and Marks actually worked a 179 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:27,839 Speaker 1: lot with a fair in this issue. And I know it. 180 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:31,960 Speaker 1: Marks met with the Texas AG and and a few others, 181 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 1: and uh, you know Kerry Lake was going to do it. 182 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:36,439 Speaker 1: A matter of fact, when I met with Kerry Lake 183 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 1: before the election, I gave him my commitment that me 184 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 1: and Mark with both wall out there and run and 185 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:44,719 Speaker 1: run it for her, you know, with his experience and 186 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 1: my experiences. Look what'll work would your DPS. We're working 187 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 1: National Guard and we'll help you in force flaws on 188 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 1: your southern border. Unfortunately, you know she not declared the winners, 189 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 1: so and you know Katy Hobbs and that would do it. 190 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 1: But look, you know, bottom line is this, now that 191 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 1: we got the House Republicans in the House, they need 192 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 1: to have oversight hearings. They need to teach my Orcans. 193 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 1: I'm not backing off that they need to peach my 194 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:07,960 Speaker 1: orks on day one and the mentally need to have 195 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 1: oversight hearings because no, Louis if they subpoine of the 196 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 1: right people. If they subpoena of the right information and 197 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 1: me and Mark stan ready we'll be witnessed one and two. 198 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:17,559 Speaker 1: We'll show them and tell them more to get the 199 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:20,080 Speaker 1: information they're looking for, because we've been around a while. 200 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 1: If they subpoena and the right people's subpoene and right information, 201 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 1: there's gonna be a lot of damning information about secretary 202 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:28,559 Speaker 1: of my orchis and these names jos that are conspiring 203 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 1: with them. And you got what. Twenty four Democrats are 204 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 1: running for reelection in twenty twenty four. Once they hear 205 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 1: the evidence that they cannot deny, they got to pick 206 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:40,960 Speaker 1: a side because they're up for a tough reelection. So 207 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:43,680 Speaker 1: I'm hoping when they'll present with evidence they can't ignore, 208 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 1: then they'll be on our side on secure in that border, 209 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:49,319 Speaker 1: or they're going to risk reelection. Well I keep thinking that, 210 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:54,200 Speaker 1: but the evidence is overwhelming, and yet they are still 211 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:58,080 Speaker 1: sticking their head somewhere where they don't see what's going on. 212 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:00,959 Speaker 1: By the way, I've wondered, by the way Joe Biden 213 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:04,200 Speaker 1: has acted as president, do we have any clues about 214 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 1: where the hair he got transplanted on top of his 215 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 1: head may have come from. Well, it's just a thought. 216 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 1: But anyway, you guys, one quick question to it's clear 217 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 1: that when you release these people that are illegally immigrating 218 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 1: and say come back in four years, they don't come back. 219 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:27,200 Speaker 1: And what I have thought we should do, and you 220 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:32,200 Speaker 1: guys would know firsthand if we put immigration judges on 221 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:35,559 Speaker 1: the border, whether it's intense or whatever, we gotta do 222 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:38,560 Speaker 1: and say you're not leaving this area until you have 223 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 1: your hearing, and let's get those people their immediate hearing 224 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 1: at Spring Courts says they get and nineties something percent 225 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 1: of them will be immediately taken across the border after 226 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:54,719 Speaker 1: they're hearing. Right, yep, we were already doing that. We 227 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 1: were doing that under the Trump administration. That was the 228 00:12:57,559 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 1: genesis of the Remaining Mexical program. Pushed all those resources down. 229 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 1: We brought Drudge in via video telecomference. We did all 230 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 1: electronically universally, and it was extremely effective. But here's the 231 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:12,079 Speaker 1: most important thing. Once we have that system and we 232 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 1: were not releasing him in the United States, they quit coming. 233 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 1: That's exactly exactly, exactly reduced illegal racing by five percent. Well, 234 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:26,599 Speaker 1: you guys are American heroes. Thank you the reason it 235 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:28,559 Speaker 1: makes sense to Louie if I got real quick, sure 236 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:31,960 Speaker 1: Syracuse University track just in the study they looked at 237 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 1: the Rocket Doctor. All these family units come came across 238 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 1: as Joe Biden become president. Those that have been adjudicated 239 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:42,959 Speaker 1: ninety three percent loss case were ordered repo only seven percent. 240 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 1: And may mean how many of those order ninety three 241 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 1: percent have left the country? How many have ice arrested? Zero? Zero? Wow? Well, guys, 242 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 1: thank you for coming on, thank you for shedding like 243 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 1: thanks for being American heroes. Uh, this is the Sean 244 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 1: Hannity Show. There's Louis Gohmert sitting in and thanks to 245 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 1: Mark Morgan and Tom Holman, they are heroes. We'll be 246 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:12,960 Speaker 1: right back. This is Louis Golmert sitting in for Sean Hannity, 247 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 1: The Sean Hannity Show. And let's go to Preston and Alabama. 248 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 1: What's on your mind? Preston. We got about a minute 249 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 1: or so. Yeah, I got just real frustrated the old 250 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 1: jar head. And I'm just gonna ask the question, what 251 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 1: difference does it make anyway? Bill got in trouble, was impeached. 252 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 1: Nothing ever, happened. Hilary killed a bunch of military men, 253 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 1: got in trouble, nothing ever happened. The FBI d O 254 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 1: J light up and down backwards about Trump, nothing ever happened. 255 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 1: We know Hunter and Old Joe have been involved in 256 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 1: as many cricket things as you could possibly imagine. Nothing 257 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 1: ever happened. What are we Why are we doing the 258 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 1: dogging pony show? Would we know nothing's going to happen? Well, 259 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 1: that's just it. If we don't start making things happen 260 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 1: for the injustice is being created by the other side, 261 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 1: then this country is done. And I'm not giving up 262 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 1: hope pressing. We have got to do that, and that's 263 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 1: gonna start. We actually need to bring in some judges 264 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 1: to have them testify. Subpoena them to the Judiciary Committee 265 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 1: in the House because it's controlled by Republicans beginning to 266 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 1: January third, and let's start asking those those kind of questions. 267 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 1: Why are they acting unconstitutionally? Why do they believe in 268 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 1: punishing in pre trial confinement even though that's unconstitutional. Why 269 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 1: have these people gotten away with things? We need to 270 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 1: bring in lots of people to have them testify, show accountability. 271 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 1: We can't give up hope pressing. We just can't. We 272 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 1: got to keep pushing this. Louis gomert In for Shaun 273 00:15:50,880 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 1: Handy The Sean Hannity Show. All right, are you tired 274 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 1: of overpaying woke wireless companies? How about this? You get 275 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 1: talk and text and blazing fast data for just thirty 276 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 1: bucks a month YEP on the same exact network, the 277 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 1: same cell towers, the same five G network as the 278 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 1: big carriers like Verizon AT and T and T Mobile. 279 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 1: And how's that for saying half the price? 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I 296 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 1: hope he doesn't mind my mentioning he was formerly with 297 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 1: The New York Times, back when there were some reporters 298 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 1: at the Times that we're really trying to dig out 299 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:33,360 Speaker 1: for the truth. He has been trying to do that 300 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:37,399 Speaker 1: for some years. And I would like to welcome Alex 301 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 1: Barrenson to the Shawn Andy Show. Alex, welcome man. Thank 302 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 1: you for all the work you have done. You've not 303 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:49,119 Speaker 1: only done incredible homework, but you have also gone to 304 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 1: the courts to get to the truth of the matters, 305 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 1: and particularly with regard to Twitter. And if if I 306 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:04,240 Speaker 1: say this right off to me of a historian, one 307 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:08,919 Speaker 1: of the greatest developments in the history of medicine was 308 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:14,920 Speaker 1: this idea of informed consent. That apparently it was only 309 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 1: about a hundred years ago that you had a better 310 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:22,199 Speaker 1: chance of getting well after seeing a doctor, of getting 311 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 1: instead of getting worse, and so you look how far 312 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:30,439 Speaker 1: we've gone. And this idea that in America you should 313 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:34,640 Speaker 1: have informed consent where a physician healthcare provider will advise 314 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:39,400 Speaker 1: you of the risks inherent to whatever the shot, the procedure, 315 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 1: or whatever, and then get your agreement. But that seems 316 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 1: to have taken a back seat to the hysteria, as 317 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:54,640 Speaker 1: you've called it in your book Pandemia, How coronavirus hysteria 318 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:59,719 Speaker 1: took over our government rights and lives. Amazing work you've done, Alex, 319 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 1: and I'm grateful for it. Welcome to the Sean Annity Show. Well, Carson, 320 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:08,120 Speaker 1: thank you so much for having me. Now, well, tell 321 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 1: us you've gotten discovery through the courts. Uh in your 322 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:17,239 Speaker 1: suit against Twitter? What is that reveal? Let folks know? 323 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:22,360 Speaker 1: So so yeah so UM. I sued Twitter last year, 324 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:25,880 Speaker 1: UM after Twitter banned me in August twenty twenty one, 325 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 1: UM for a tweet that about the m R and 326 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 1: A vaccines that began He doesn't stop infection or transmission, 327 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:36,920 Speaker 1: which I think, which I think everyone in the world, 328 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:40,720 Speaker 1: even Anthony Vouchie would agree with. At this point. Well, 329 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:43,680 Speaker 1: I don't think you could count on Vouci agreeing with anything. 330 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:47,399 Speaker 1: You know, if it's true. But yeah, the sky is blue, 331 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 1: but especially if rand Ball asking, but otherwise, but but yeah, 332 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 1: thank you. Uh and you know, uh, President Biden had 333 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 1: said it will stop the transmission, it will stop you 334 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:06,920 Speaker 1: from getting it. Most people understand, well, no, that's not 335 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:11,360 Speaker 1: actually happening. And you just happened to reveal that inconvenient 336 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:15,120 Speaker 1: truth a little too soon for some people. Yeah, so, 337 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 1: I mean so, so we were in the middle of 338 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 1: this argument of whether we needed boosters and whether we 339 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 1: needed mandates, and I was pretty forcefully speaking out against 340 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 1: both boosters and mandates. And by the way, you know, 341 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 1: I said last year in twenty twenty one, hey, you know, 342 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 1: if you're a high risk for COVID, probably getting vaccinated 343 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 1: makes sense. I don't think it makes sense if you're 344 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:39,479 Speaker 1: a low risk, but if you're high risk, if you know, 345 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:42,160 Speaker 1: it probably makes sense for you based on the data 346 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 1: that we have. And so and so, I was not 347 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:47,400 Speaker 1: one of these people who are saying, oh, the vaccine 348 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:49,720 Speaker 1: is going to turn your blood green and make you 349 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:52,399 Speaker 1: jump off a building. I tried to take a measured sense. 350 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:55,399 Speaker 1: But when the vaccine began to fail last summer, in 351 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:57,640 Speaker 1: the summer of twenty twenty one, as they clearly were, 352 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:00,440 Speaker 1: and when there was this rush to try to people 353 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 1: to take a third shot, which had not been tested 354 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 1: really in any meaningful way, I spoke out against that, 355 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:09,359 Speaker 1: and I definitely said, you know what, it is wrong 356 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:12,440 Speaker 1: to tell people that they need to do this at 357 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 1: the risk of their jobs, at the risk of their educations, 358 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:17,320 Speaker 1: that you have to choose, you know, if you live 359 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:19,439 Speaker 1: in New York State where I did what I did, 360 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:21,879 Speaker 1: and do you have to choose between going to a 361 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 1: restaurant and being vaccinated against your will? All those things, 362 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:28,679 Speaker 1: you know, I thought were very wrong, and so for 363 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 1: my you know, for speaking out, I was censored, I 364 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:35,919 Speaker 1: was banned from Twitter. I sued Twitter, and in the 365 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 1: discovery which now has been corroborated by what people called 366 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 1: the Twitter Files, which is what Elon Musk has released 367 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:47,879 Speaker 1: since buying Twitter, it is clear that the Biden administration 368 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:51,720 Speaker 1: wanted me off Twitter and pressured Twitter very hard last 369 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 1: year in twenty twenty one to push me off, and 370 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:57,400 Speaker 1: that to me is a violation of my First Amendment rights. 371 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:00,160 Speaker 1: I do intend to sue. I've now settled my suit 372 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:02,199 Speaker 1: with Twitter, and I'm back on the platform that was 373 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 1: before Elon took over. They had to let me back 374 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 1: on because they didn't want to go through discovery and 375 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:10,400 Speaker 1: you know and sort of admit what was really going on. 376 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 1: But so they they did let me back on. But 377 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:15,119 Speaker 1: now I'm going to sue the White House, and I'm 378 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 1: going to sue a guy named Andy Slavitt who who 379 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:21,440 Speaker 1: was at the White House when this effort to censor 380 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:24,199 Speaker 1: he started. And I'm going to sue Visor too. And 381 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:26,359 Speaker 1: the reason I'm going to sue Visor is that a 382 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:29,199 Speaker 1: board member ash Fiser named Scott Gottlieb, who was who 383 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 1: used to be the head of the FDA. You know, 384 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:34,200 Speaker 1: you still talk about the swamp and yeah, where he captured. 385 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 1: This guy went from the FDA, he quit three months later. 386 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:39,360 Speaker 1: He joined literally three months later, he joined the board 387 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 1: of Fiser. And in August twenty twenty one, when Twitter 388 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 1: had not yet banned me, although they were under a 389 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 1: lot of pressure from the White House to do so, 390 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:50,439 Speaker 1: I'm clearly feeling that pressure, he went to Twitter and 391 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:52,640 Speaker 1: said you gotta Basically, I mean, we don't. I don't 392 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 1: know exactly what he said yet, but he said that 393 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:58,560 Speaker 1: my writing was a security risk to Tony Faucher and 394 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:02,200 Speaker 1: are basically banned me immediately. So all those people, as 395 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:05,119 Speaker 1: far as I'm concerned, violated my First Amendment right and 396 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 1: I'm going to sue them all. And I have something 397 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 1: called a substack, which is a which is an independent 398 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:13,359 Speaker 1: newsletter platform that's very anti censorship. I've been able to 399 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:16,200 Speaker 1: write there, but really being on Twitter for a year 400 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 1: at this crucial moment when the vaccines were, you know, 401 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:22,119 Speaker 1: being pushed for a third shot and the mandates were 402 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:25,160 Speaker 1: being pushed to me, that's time I'll never get back. 403 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:27,720 Speaker 1: And it was an intentional suppression of my right to 404 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 1: free speech. Yeah right, And in fact, thank you for 405 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 1: mentioning sub stack. You have the Unreported Truths blog on 406 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 1: sub stack. And in addition to being the author of 407 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 1: the pandemia uh well, you know, you had the worst 408 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:51,679 Speaker 1: of all worlds. You had the government, you had social media, 409 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 1: and you had big Pharma all coming after you. So 410 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:01,399 Speaker 1: you could have been paranoid, but all of those groups 411 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 1: really were out to get you. And so I love 412 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 1: the fact that you've stood up on this stuff and 413 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:14,199 Speaker 1: coming back again. Look to me, people should have the 414 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 1: chance to get the vaccination, but just tell people what 415 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 1: the risks are and let them make that decision. Here's 416 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 1: what the risks are, here's what potential benefits are, and 417 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 1: let's be truthful about those and let people make their 418 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:32,359 Speaker 1: own decisions. And that's where the title of your book 419 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 1: points out. You know that the hysteria allowed the government 420 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:44,119 Speaker 1: to combine with social media and uh, the corporate world 421 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 1: to silence people. So and there was a very real 422 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:54,479 Speaker 1: I mean remember the hystoria that the media was whipping up, 423 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:56,960 Speaker 1: you know, in part to get you know, Donald Trump 424 00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,920 Speaker 1: out of right. It was real, and so that means 425 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 1: needed an answer, and they said, hey, these vaccines on 426 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:05,240 Speaker 1: the answer. And you know, the worst part was that, 427 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 1: I mean, the most ironic part was that for a 428 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,159 Speaker 1: few months in early twenty twenty one, it seemed like 429 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 1: the vaccines really worthy answer. We had this brief moment 430 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:16,959 Speaker 1: when cases went way down, when death went way down. 431 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:20,639 Speaker 1: And unfortunately it turned out that like a lot of 432 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 1: pharmaceutical products, these vaccines and we really shouldn't even call 433 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 1: them vaccines because they don't confer anything like permanent immunity. 434 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:31,040 Speaker 1: These shots only worked for a short period of time, 435 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,199 Speaker 1: and no one was willing to admit, you know what, 436 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 1: like they're just not what they appeared to be in 437 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,760 Speaker 1: the clinical trials, and that became I think we're still 438 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:43,960 Speaker 1: dealing with that. I think I think the inability to 439 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 1: reckon with the disappointment of the vaccines has pushed us 440 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,920 Speaker 1: to a really bad place. Well in your situation also 441 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:56,560 Speaker 1: points out once again there is a problem with people 442 00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:00,719 Speaker 1: that have worked officially in the government going to like 443 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:05,240 Speaker 1: the fives or big farm of board or and vice versa. 444 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:10,679 Speaker 1: There is a conflict of interests there that is really 445 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:15,920 Speaker 1: a threat to people's constitutional rights. And your situation illustrates 446 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:19,400 Speaker 1: that about as clearly as I've ever seen, and in fact, 447 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 1: wasn't twenty twenty one. I think even National Review, you 448 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 1: know that used to be so solidly conservative. They were 449 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:31,440 Speaker 1: coming after you because they said, look here, we've got 450 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:34,679 Speaker 1: this vaccination that may allow us to get rid of 451 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:39,359 Speaker 1: lockdowns and all these other freedom taking things. And here's 452 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 1: this guy Barnson that's out there saying these are bad. Yep, 453 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:47,240 Speaker 1: that's right. And to me, and I say this, in tandemia, 454 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 1: the answer wasn't you forced vaccine. The answer was just 455 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:53,680 Speaker 1: to go back to normal to begin with, because this 456 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,440 Speaker 1: virus was never you know, it was never a boy. 457 00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,639 Speaker 1: It was never hid. It was always in the you know, 458 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:01,520 Speaker 1: maybe was worse than the flu. I think we can 459 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 1: agree in twenty twenty. In September twenty twenty one, early 460 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:10,200 Speaker 1: September twenty twenty one, the ACLU, the American Civil Liberties Union, 461 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 1: published an op ed in The New York Times saying, 462 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:19,040 Speaker 1: we favor vaccine. Man I mean is an organization that 463 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:25,400 Speaker 1: has civil liberties in the title, Yeah, yeah, exactly exactly. 464 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,600 Speaker 1: They both got lost well, and they continue to lose 465 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:32,680 Speaker 1: their way, and it's become one sided. They at one 466 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 1: time they were out for civil liberties number one period, 467 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:42,520 Speaker 1: exclamation board, but now that it all depends on which 468 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 1: side the politics are. And what I've appreciated about you, 469 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 1: you're not as concerned about politics as you are just 470 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 1: freedom liberty. Yep, that's right. And Burley, you know, I 471 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:55,399 Speaker 1: know you and I don't agree on everything, and I 472 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 1: sometimes write things on my subject that makes my readers 473 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 1: very angry, especially if I read about Trump. I don't 474 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,000 Speaker 1: agree with my readers about Trump, And you know what, 475 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:07,560 Speaker 1: that's fine. That's America. We should be all allowed to 476 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:11,600 Speaker 1: express our views. And exactly I said something that should 477 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:15,160 Speaker 1: get me banned from Twitter is enough Yeah, it's just wrong. 478 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:19,040 Speaker 1: Oh it is. And my communications people have been saving 479 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:22,120 Speaker 1: for a long time that uh, you know I got 480 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,320 Speaker 1: shadow banned. I had not been listed as one that was, 481 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:29,680 Speaker 1: but they said, you know, my Twitter just went to nothing, 482 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:33,440 Speaker 1: and that had to have been what happened. But anyway, 483 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:37,880 Speaker 1: you have taken a stand and for liberty. Look at 484 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 1: you know, Jonathan Turley. I think the world of him. 485 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:45,080 Speaker 1: Alan Dershowitz and we disagree on most things political, but 486 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:49,960 Speaker 1: I loved their concern for liberty, for freedom. And you know, 487 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:52,880 Speaker 1: I was a deacon of a Baptist church back in 488 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 1: Texas and some people would say, look, we all got 489 00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 1: to be of the same opinion. And I would quote 490 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 1: a peacher from nineteen fifty before I was even born. 491 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 1: He said, if two people agree on everything, one I'm unnecessary. 492 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 1: Same about Congress, same same about any group. If everybody's 493 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:14,040 Speaker 1: in agreement, we don't need to have these meetings. But 494 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 1: the reason we have the meetings is nobody has one 495 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:21,479 Speaker 1: hundred percent luck on complete truth, so we need to 496 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:25,360 Speaker 1: discuss these things. We need to hear the different opinions 497 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 1: and not try to completely silence one group. So I'm 498 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 1: grateful for your work what would you like for listeners 499 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:37,760 Speaker 1: to remember and what to check out on your that 500 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,520 Speaker 1: you have done? Sure? So well, I mean I'm back 501 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 1: on Twitter, so you can follow me at all experience. 502 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:45,400 Speaker 1: And I have this sub stack, which again it's a 503 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:47,840 Speaker 1: newsletter I write a few times a week and you 504 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,440 Speaker 1: can join for free. Most people do join for free. 505 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,800 Speaker 1: There's also an option to pay, but frankly, I'm happier 506 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:55,840 Speaker 1: to have you as a reader, whether you pay or not. 507 00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 1: And so that's all experience in substack dot com. It's 508 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 1: called Unreported Truth, as you said. And then the book 509 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,320 Speaker 1: is Pandemia, which came out last year, and you know, 510 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:08,880 Speaker 1: it's funny. I've gotten some emails from people in the 511 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 1: last just a few days. He said. You know, I 512 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,520 Speaker 1: didn't leave this when it came out. Um, it was 513 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:16,560 Speaker 1: also too fresh. But now I'm reading it and it 514 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:20,560 Speaker 1: really and it really like puts my life of the 515 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:23,680 Speaker 1: last twenty twenty and twenty twenty one in context. It 516 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,760 Speaker 1: helps remind me how crazy things got and that I 517 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,400 Speaker 1: wasn't wrong to stand up to that. So I'm really 518 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,040 Speaker 1: glad to hear from those people. So the book is 519 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:37,000 Speaker 1: called Pandemia, but really really just I just don't stop thinking. 520 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:40,000 Speaker 1: We all have to we all exactly critical. We all 521 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:43,040 Speaker 1: have to be critical. I think about Yes, well we 522 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:45,240 Speaker 1: have got to go to a hard break. This is 523 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:49,040 Speaker 1: the Shan Handity Show. Thanks to Alex Berenson for what 524 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 1: he's been doing and check him out. As he said, 525 00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:54,160 Speaker 1: we'll be right back with more of the Sea and 526 00:30:54,240 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 1: Handity Show. This is the Shaw and Handy Show. There's 527 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:05,160 Speaker 1: Louie gomer setting in. We're going to Missouri to Jim, Jim, 528 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 1: we got about a minute, let us know what you think. Yes, sir, 529 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:13,240 Speaker 1: thank you in joining your show. And I have an 530 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:21,280 Speaker 1: observation and a goals. Thanks to our elite universities, evidence 531 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:26,160 Speaker 1: based science has been turned upside down and replaced with 532 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:30,680 Speaker 1: political science. And that is not trivial because it reaches 533 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:35,640 Speaker 1: every corner of our society and every aspect of science. 534 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:39,440 Speaker 1: And political science is the polar opposite of real science. 535 00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:45,960 Speaker 1: The political science seeks to persuade, deceive, and dupe in 536 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:50,960 Speaker 1: opposition to all available evidence. Well, especially when we get 537 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:56,760 Speaker 1: away from having people well informed on what the issues 538 00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:03,640 Speaker 1: are instead of being deceived. Yeah, great observation, Jim. Obviously 539 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 1: you're from the show me state. And thankfully you demand 540 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:11,160 Speaker 1: to be shown the facts. More people need to do that. 541 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:15,200 Speaker 1: We need more people less reliant on the government. Do 542 00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:18,760 Speaker 1: your own homework and then hold your government accountable. We're 543 00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:23,040 Speaker 1: gonna be right back and you're gonna love who's coming up. 544 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:27,480 Speaker 1: This is an FBI whistleblower attorney and you need to 545 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,840 Speaker 1: hear what he's got to say. Come right back to 546 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:30,880 Speaker 1: Sean Andy Show.