WEBVTT - Ep. 94: The Big Bear of Arkansas

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I have it. I'll give you an idea of

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<v Speaker 1>a hunt in which the greatest bar was killed that

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<v Speaker 1>ever lived, none excepted. On this episode, we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>explore an uncanny bear hunting story written in eighteen forty

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<v Speaker 1>one by a man from New York. I'd be surprised

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<v Speaker 1>if you've ever heard it, but its influence almost single

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<v Speaker 1>handedly branded estate and plowed a furrow from which some

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<v Speaker 1>of America's greatest Southern authors set root in a rose.

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<v Speaker 1>Its impact was more than significant. We'll talk about the

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<v Speaker 1>remarkable and pretty darned new to Planet Earth power of

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<v Speaker 1>media to influence our imaginations about people will never meet,

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<v Speaker 1>places will never go, and how it can influence who

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<v Speaker 1>we think we are, for better or worse. It seems

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<v Speaker 1>we're putty in the hands of the creative storytellers of

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<v Speaker 1>our time. I got a three pack of some of

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<v Speaker 1>the greatest guests known west of the Mighty Mississippi, renowned

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<v Speaker 1>Ozark historian and author doctor Brooks Blevins, University of Arkansas

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<v Speaker 1>folkloris doctor Bob Cochrane, and like a hickory nut between

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<v Speaker 1>two acorns, meat eaters own Stephen Ranella. We're about to

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<v Speaker 1>dive in deep into a story called The Big Bear

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<v Speaker 1>of Arkansas, one of my personal favorite stories of all time.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you're a bear greezer at heart, I really

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<v Speaker 1>doubt you're gonna want to miss this one. I'm very

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<v Speaker 1>slow now to say, you know, just sort of with

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<v Speaker 1>tremendous confidence, there is no realm that that's out there

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<v Speaker 1>that I simply can't access. I think this is one

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<v Speaker 1>of the great things about the story. This good is

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<v Speaker 1>it makes us aware of that. And so across two

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<v Speaker 1>hundred years, you know, I can stand in that guy's shoes,

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<v Speaker 1>I can stand in the bear hunter shoes. I've had

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<v Speaker 1>experiences that are uncanny. Do not live in a world

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<v Speaker 1>did I fully understand? My name is Clay Nukeam, and

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<v Speaker 1>this is the Bear Grease Podcast, where we'll explore things

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<v Speaker 1>forgotten but relevant, search for insight and unlikely places, and

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<v Speaker 1>where we'll tell the story of Americans who live their

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<v Speaker 1>lives close to the land. Presented by f HF Gear

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<v Speaker 1>American Maid, purpose built hunting and fishing gear as designed

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<v Speaker 1>to be as rugged as the place as we explore.

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<v Speaker 1>A steamboat on the Mississippi frequently and making her regular

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<v Speaker 1>trips carries between places varying from one to two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>miles apart, and as these boats advertised to land passengers

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<v Speaker 1>and freight at all intermediate dings, the heterogeneous character of

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<v Speaker 1>the passengers of one of these upcountry boats can scarcely

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<v Speaker 1>be imagined by one who's never seen it with his

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<v Speaker 1>own eyes. Starting from New Orleans and one of these boats,

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<v Speaker 1>you'll find yourself associated with men from every state of

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<v Speaker 1>the Union and from every portion of the globe. And

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<v Speaker 1>a man of observation need not lack for amusement or

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<v Speaker 1>instruction in such a crowd, if he will take the

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<v Speaker 1>trouble to read the great book of characters so favorably

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<v Speaker 1>open before him. Here may be seen Joscelyn, together the

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<v Speaker 1>wealthy Southern planter and the peddler of tinware from New England,

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<v Speaker 1>the Northern merchant and the Southern jockey, a venerable bishop

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<v Speaker 1>and a desperate gambler, the land speculator and the honest farmer,

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<v Speaker 1>the professional men of all creeds and characters, wolverines, suckers, hoosiers, buckeyes,

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<v Speaker 1>corn crackers, and besides a plentiful sprinkling of the half horse,

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<v Speaker 1>half alligator species of men who are peculiar to old Mississippi,

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<v Speaker 1>and who appear to gain a livelihood simply by going

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<v Speaker 1>up and down the river in pursuit of pleasure or business.

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<v Speaker 1>I have frequently found myself in such a crowd. In

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<v Speaker 1>the beginning of our story, the listener finds himself on

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<v Speaker 1>a Mississippi riverboat headed north out of New Orleans. This

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't America's first riverboat tail, but it was close, and

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<v Speaker 1>the cultural atmospherics were beyond interesting to people in the

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<v Speaker 1>East hungry for tales of frontier life. The regions west

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<v Speaker 1>of the Mississippi were mysterious and in some ways a

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<v Speaker 1>blank slate to Americans. But nothing on this planet can

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<v Speaker 1>sit long without being labeled. Like a cockle bird of

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<v Speaker 1>cotton riches, identity has barbs and attaches itself and won't

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<v Speaker 1>let go. But no one knew how much these early

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<v Speaker 1>stories would stick. We're reading a story called The Big

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<v Speaker 1>Bear of Arkansas, written in eighteen forty one by a

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<v Speaker 1>New Yorker named Thomas bangs Or, who moved to Baton Rouge,

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<v Speaker 1>Louisiana in eighteen thirty seven for health reasons. He was

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<v Speaker 1>a painter and an author known for his ability to

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<v Speaker 1>describe nature, and even though he was new to the South,

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<v Speaker 1>he was enamored with folk speech and was gifted at

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<v Speaker 1>capturing the dialect of his subjects. The Big Bear Story

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<v Speaker 1>would become the greatest by far story of this genre

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<v Speaker 1>of writing called Southwest humor. Later will learn how influential

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<v Speaker 1>it was on the young state Arkansas. And yep, I

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<v Speaker 1>am foreshadowing. Do y'all remember when that iTunes reviewer said

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<v Speaker 1>I foreshadowed too much? In this first section, Thorpe used

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<v Speaker 1>colorful phrases to describe the men of the Mississippi River Valley,

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<v Speaker 1>one that had been heard before, spoken by none other

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<v Speaker 1>than David Crockett himself. While passing through Arkansas in eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>thirty five, he said at a public speech in Little

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<v Speaker 1>Rock that was recorded in a newspaper, he said, if

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<v Speaker 1>I could rest anywhere, it would be in Arkansas, where

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<v Speaker 1>the men are the real half horse half alligator breed

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<v Speaker 1>such as grows nowhere else on the face of the

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<v Speaker 1>universal earth. It's interesting that Thorpe used Crockett's exact words. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>We're about to be back on the riverboat, and our narrator,

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<v Speaker 1>an anonymous city slicker from New Orleans, is about to

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<v Speaker 1>introduce us to an interesting character. While I was thus

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<v Speaker 1>busily employed in reading, and my companions were more busily

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<v Speaker 1>still employed in discussing such subjects as suited their humor's best,

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<v Speaker 1>we were startled most unexpectedly by loud Indian whoop uttered

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<v Speaker 1>in the social hall, and that part of the cabin

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<v Speaker 1>fitted off for a bar. Then was to be heard

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<v Speaker 1>a loud crowing, which would not have continued to have

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<v Speaker 1>interested us, such sounds, being quite common in that place

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<v Speaker 1>of spirits, alcohol had not The hero of these windy

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<v Speaker 1>accomplishments stuck his head into the cabin and hallooed out

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<v Speaker 1>Hurrah for the Big Bear of Arkansas, and then might

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<v Speaker 1>be heard a confused hum of voices. This continued interruption

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<v Speaker 1>attracted the attention of everyone in the cabin. All conversation dropped,

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<v Speaker 1>and in the midst of this surprise, the big bar

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<v Speaker 1>walked into the cabin, took a chair, put his feet

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<v Speaker 1>up on the stove, looking back over his shoulder past

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<v Speaker 1>the general and familiar salute of strangers, how are you?

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<v Speaker 1>He then expressed himself at home as much as if

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<v Speaker 1>he had been in the forks of the Cypress, and

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps a little more so. Some of the company at

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<v Speaker 1>this familiarity looked a little angry and some astonished, But

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<v Speaker 1>in a moment every face was read and a smile.

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<v Speaker 1>There was something about the intruder that won the heart.

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<v Speaker 1>On sight, he appeared to be a man enjoined perfect

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<v Speaker 1>health and contentment. His eyes were a spark Lena's diamonds,

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<v Speaker 1>and good natured to simplicity. Then his perfect confidence in

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<v Speaker 1>himself was irresistibly droll. The word droll means curious or

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<v Speaker 1>unusual in a way that provokes dry amusement. I had

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<v Speaker 1>to look that up. This writing is now over one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and eighty years old, and I find myself lost

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<v Speaker 1>at times, but by the next sentence I'm usually understanding again.

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<v Speaker 1>You might be the same. The author is setting the

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<v Speaker 1>context for our story. The riverboat is full of strangers

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<v Speaker 1>from all over the country. When a loud, charismatic, and

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<v Speaker 1>unusually likable man enters the cabin, introducing himself as the

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<v Speaker 1>Big Bar of Arkansas. The author spells the word like

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<v Speaker 1>he wants us to say. It be a r pronounced

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<v Speaker 1>like an iron bar with a little more belly in

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<v Speaker 1>it bar. Many in the South still say it this

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<v Speaker 1>way today. Later we'll learn that our storyteller's given name

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<v Speaker 1>is Jim Doggett. He goes on to tell a story

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<v Speaker 1>about killing a forty pound turkey and how planting corn

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<v Speaker 1>in Arkansas is dangerous because he once had a soal

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<v Speaker 1>hog fall asleep on some corn seed and the percussion

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<v Speaker 1>of its sprouting killed her. He then says, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>plan anymore. Nature intended Arkansas for a hunting ground, and

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<v Speaker 1>I go according to nature. A passenger then asked, in disbelief,

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<v Speaker 1>where did all this happen? Again, here's dogged Where did

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<v Speaker 1>all that happened? Ask to cynical Hoosier, happen. It happened

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<v Speaker 1>in Arkansas. Where else could it have happened? But in

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<v Speaker 1>the creation state the finishing up country. A state where

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<v Speaker 1>the soil runs deep to the center of the earth,

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<v Speaker 1>and the government gives you a title to every inch

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<v Speaker 1>of it. Then it's airs. Just breathe them and they'll

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<v Speaker 1>make you a snort like a horse. It's a state

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<v Speaker 1>without thought. It is dog it. The Big bar describes Arkansas,

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<v Speaker 1>which he spells with a W at the end, as

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<v Speaker 1>a state without thought, the creation state, the finishing up country.

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<v Speaker 1>Its meaning is a complete mystery. But it's clear he

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<v Speaker 1>knows something we don't. The descriptor is clearly spiritual, almost

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<v Speaker 1>as if God created Arkansas first and the rest of

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<v Speaker 1>the world resulted from its wake. Americans on the frontier

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<v Speaker 1>were heavily influenced by Native Americans, and this was particularly

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<v Speaker 1>strong in the Mississippi River Delta region of eastern Arkansas,

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<v Speaker 1>where the fictional character dog It lived. Many tribes had

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<v Speaker 1>site specific religions and believed their homelands to be the

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<v Speaker 1>center of the world. I'm speculating, but dog It's doctrine

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't mesh with Western religious doctrine. Arkansas became a state

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<v Speaker 1>in eighteen thirty six, just five years prior to this writing.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of the first reporting of the Arkansas territory going

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<v Speaker 1>back to America was in the eighteen twenties from a

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<v Speaker 1>dad gum New York Yankee, and I'm not talking about

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<v Speaker 1>a baseball player, but a real Yankee named Henry Rose Schoolcraft,

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<v Speaker 1>who despised the people he met here and spoke extremely

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<v Speaker 1>critical of their backwards, grubby, crude Frontier lives to this day,

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<v Speaker 1>Schoolcraft's demeaning accounts still sting a little. It's interesting that

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<v Speaker 1>Thorpe chose for his fictional character dogg It to be

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<v Speaker 1>so certain that this Arkansas spelled with a W was

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<v Speaker 1>a place without fault. We're gonna learn that they were

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<v Speaker 1>actually making fun of us, and this could easily be

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<v Speaker 1>traced to a trend in the twentieth century. And I'm

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<v Speaker 1>saying us because I'll have you know that my great

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<v Speaker 1>great great great grandfather, Thomas James Newcomb came to Arkansas

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<v Speaker 1>via Kentucky in the early eighteen thirties, So this whole

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<v Speaker 1>thing is close to home for me. Back to our story,

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<v Speaker 1>the New Orleans traveler has now heard the big bar

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned bears, so he asked if he hunts them and dog.

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<v Speaker 1>It quickly brings up his two favorite things, his gun

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<v Speaker 1>and his dog. The way I hunt them. The old

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<v Speaker 1>black rascals know the crack of my gun as well

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<v Speaker 1>as they know a pig squealing. They grow thin in

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<v Speaker 1>our parts. It frightens them so, and they do take

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<v Speaker 1>the noise dreadfully, poor things. That gun of mine is

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<v Speaker 1>an epidemic among bar If not watched closely, it will

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<v Speaker 1>go off as quick on a warm scent as my

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<v Speaker 1>dog boy knife will. And then that dog, whoa why

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<v Speaker 1>the fella thinks that the world is full of Barry

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<v Speaker 1>finds them so easy. It's lucky he don't talk as

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<v Speaker 1>well as think, for with his natural modesty, if he

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<v Speaker 1>should suddenly learn how much he is acknowledged to be

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<v Speaker 1>ahead of all other dogs in the universe, he would

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<v Speaker 1>be astonished to death in two minutes, strangers. That dog

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<v Speaker 1>knows a bar's way as well as a horse jockey

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<v Speaker 1>knows a woman's. He always barks at the right time,

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<v Speaker 1>bites at the exact place, and whips without getting a scratch.

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<v Speaker 1>I never could tell whether he was made expressly to

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<v Speaker 1>hunt bar or whether a bar was made expressly for

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<v Speaker 1>him to hunt. I hope you're beginning to hear the

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<v Speaker 1>colorful way dog it speaks. What made this story so

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<v Speaker 1>famous was the brilliant dialect capture by Thorpe Doget's dog

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<v Speaker 1>bowie knife was so good. It isn't clear whether he

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<v Speaker 1>was made to hunt bear or the bear was made

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<v Speaker 1>for him to hunt. What a brilliant thought. This man

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<v Speaker 1>was a genius. The Big Bar was a larger than

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<v Speaker 1>life character, articulate and opinionated. He proclaims his gun is

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<v Speaker 1>an epidemic amongst bears and Bowie Knife, who is naturally

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<v Speaker 1>modest but is the best bear dog on planet Earth,

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<v Speaker 1>is kept humble only because he can't talk with his verboseness.

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<v Speaker 1>The big bar is setting himself up to be one

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<v Speaker 1>of those most interesting men in the world characters. The

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<v Speaker 1>passengers are mesmerized and shocked at the life he's revealing,

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<v Speaker 1>one that is more complex and interesting than their own.

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<v Speaker 1>And I haven't even mentioned the wildly risque and suggestive

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<v Speaker 1>horse jockey metaphor. We'll talk about this in a minute

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<v Speaker 1>with Doctor Cochrane. Now, our narrator asked dog It for

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<v Speaker 1>a bar hunting story in this manner, The evening was spent,

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<v Speaker 1>but conscious that my own association with so singular a

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<v Speaker 1>personage would probably end before the morning, I asked him

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<v Speaker 1>if he would not give me a description of some

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<v Speaker 1>particular bear hunt, adding that I took great interest in

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<v Speaker 1>such things, though I was no sportsman. The desire seemed

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<v Speaker 1>to please him, and he squared himself round towards me,

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<v Speaker 1>saying that he could give me an idea of a

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<v Speaker 1>bar hunt that was never beat in this world or

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<v Speaker 1>in any other. His manner was so singular that half

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<v Speaker 1>of his story consisted in his excellent way of telling it,

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<v Speaker 1>the great peculiarity of which was the happy manner he

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<v Speaker 1>had of emphasizing the prominent parts of his conversation. As

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<v Speaker 1>near as I can recollect, I have italicized them and

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<v Speaker 1>given the story in his own words. Stranger he said,

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<v Speaker 1>in bar hunts, I am numerous, and which particular one,

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<v Speaker 1>as I say to you, I shall tell, puzzles me.

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<v Speaker 1>There was an old she devil I shot at the

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<v Speaker 1>hurricane last fall, and then there was the old hog

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<v Speaker 1>thief I've popped over at the bloody crossing. And then, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I have it. I'll give you an idea of a

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<v Speaker 1>hunt in which the greatest bar was killed that ever lived.

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<v Speaker 1>None accepted. Our New Orleans narrator includes how striking the

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<v Speaker 1>delivery of the story was. You can feel the intensity

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<v Speaker 1>and passion of the big bar. This is a fictional story,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's clear our author Thorpe had heard men like

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<v Speaker 1>this before. Doggett is an exaggerated caricature of the half horse,

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<v Speaker 1>half alligator men that Crockett met here. This was the

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<v Speaker 1>early stages of the Southern storyteller speaking in dialect being

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<v Speaker 1>exported to broader America, which will learn would be highly

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<v Speaker 1>interested in for centuries to come. Some would laugh, some

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<v Speaker 1>were endeared to these people. Some would see them as

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<v Speaker 1>sensational and simple minded, crude and grotesque, and some love

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<v Speaker 1>to just have someone to sneer down their noses at.

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<v Speaker 1>Whatever the reason, America couldn't get enough of the Southern voice,

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<v Speaker 1>the big bar dog. It is now going to tell

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<v Speaker 1>us about the greatest bar that ever lived, none excepted

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<v Speaker 1>well stranger. The first chase I ever had with that

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<v Speaker 1>big critter, I saw him no less than three distinct

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<v Speaker 1>times at a distance. The dogs would run him over

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen miles and broke down, and my horse gave out,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was nearly as used up as a man

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<v Speaker 1>could be made by my principle, which is patent. Before

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<v Speaker 1>this adventure, such things were unknown to me to be possible.

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<v Speaker 1>But strange as it was, that bear got me used

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<v Speaker 1>to it before I was done with him, For he

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<v Speaker 1>got so at lass that he would leave me on

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<v Speaker 1>a long chase quite easily. How he did it, I

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<v Speaker 1>never could understand that a bar runs at all is puzzling.

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<v Speaker 1>But how this one could tire down and bust up

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<v Speaker 1>a pack of hounds and a horse that were used

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<v Speaker 1>to overhauling everything they started after no time was past

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<v Speaker 1>my understanding. Well stranger, that bar finally got so sassy

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<v Speaker 1>that he used to help himself to a hog off

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<v Speaker 1>my premises whenever he wanted. The buzzards followed after what

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<v Speaker 1>he left. And so between that bar and the buzzard,

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<v Speaker 1>I'd rather think I was out of pork dog it.

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<v Speaker 1>Like any good storyteller, is setting us up with the

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<v Speaker 1>backstory of his hunt for a bear that will learn

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<v Speaker 1>is unhuntable. Things had gotten personal, as this sassy bear

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<v Speaker 1>was still in pigs and could mysteriously outrun his hounds.

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<v Speaker 1>And horse horses and hunting dogs are big thing down here,

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<v Speaker 1>and his desire to kill this bear starts to effect

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<v Speaker 1>his health, and agger is slang for the ague, which

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<v Speaker 1>is like malaria. Well, missing that bar so often took

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<v Speaker 1>hold of my vitals, and I was wasted away. The

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<v Speaker 1>thing had been carried too far and reduced me in

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<v Speaker 1>flesh faster than an agar. And I would see that

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<v Speaker 1>bar and everything I did he hunted me, and that too,

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<v Speaker 1>like a devil, which I began to think he was.

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<v Speaker 1>While in this fix, I made preparations to give him

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<v Speaker 1>a last brush and to be done with it, having

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<v Speaker 1>completed everything. To my satisfaction, I started at sunrise, and

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<v Speaker 1>to my great joy, I discovered from the way the

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<v Speaker 1>dogs ran that they were near him. Finding his trail

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<v Speaker 1>was nothing, for that had become as plain to the

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<v Speaker 1>pack as a turnpike road. On we went, and coming

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<v Speaker 1>to an open country, what should I see but the

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<v Speaker 1>bar very leisurely ascending a hill, and the dogs close

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<v Speaker 1>at his hills, either a match for him this time

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<v Speaker 1>and speed, or else he did not care to get

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<v Speaker 1>out of their way. I do not know which, But

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't he a beauty? Though I loved him like a brother?

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<v Speaker 1>In my opinion, this is one of the greatest moments

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<v Speaker 1>in American literature. Dog it seizes the bear with bay

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<v Speaker 1>and hounds surrounding him. He can't tell if the dogs

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<v Speaker 1>had him hemmed up and caught, or if the beast

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<v Speaker 1>just didn't care that they were there, but he declares,

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't he a beauty? Though I loved him like a brother.

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<v Speaker 1>You'll hear me and Steve Vernella talk about this later,

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<v Speaker 1>but Thorpe's insight seems beyond his time. This is also

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<v Speaker 1>when the reader begins to see that the big bear

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<v Speaker 1>of Arkansas is more than an uncultured barbarian. The hunt

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<v Speaker 1>continues on he went until he came to a tree,

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<v Speaker 1>the limbs of which formed a crotch, about six feet

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<v Speaker 1>from the ground. In the crotch he got and seated himself,

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<v Speaker 1>and the dogs were yelling all around it. And there

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<v Speaker 1>he sat I and them as quiet as a bond

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<v Speaker 1>and low water. A green horned friend of mine and

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<v Speaker 1>company reached shooting distance before me and blazed away, hitting

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<v Speaker 1>the critter in the center of the forehead. The bar

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<v Speaker 1>shook his head as the ball struck it, and then

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<v Speaker 1>walked down from that tree as gently as a lady

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<v Speaker 1>would from a carriage. Twas a beautiful sight to see

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<v Speaker 1>him do that. He was in such a rage that

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<v Speaker 1>he seemed to be as little afraid of the dogs

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<v Speaker 1>as if they had been suckling pigs. And the dogs

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<v Speaker 1>weren't slow and making a ring around him at a

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<v Speaker 1>respectful distance. I tell you, even Bowie Knife himself stood

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<v Speaker 1>off then the way his eyes flashed while the fire

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<v Speaker 1>of them would have singed a cat's hair. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>that bar was in a wrath all over. Only one

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<v Speaker 1>pup came near him, and he was brushed out so

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<v Speaker 1>to tally with the bears left Paul that he entirely disappeared,

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<v Speaker 1>and that made the old dogs even more cautious. Still,

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<v Speaker 1>in the meantime, I came up and taking deliberate aim,

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<v Speaker 1>as a man should do, at his side, just as

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<v Speaker 1>the back of the fore leg. If my gun did

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<v Speaker 1>not snap, call me a coward, and I won't take

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<v Speaker 1>it personal. Yes, Stranger, it snapped, and I could not

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<v Speaker 1>find a cap about my person. His eyes flashed with

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<v Speaker 1>such fire it would have scorched a cap. And we

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<v Speaker 1>now see that this is no ordinary bear. He swatted

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<v Speaker 1>a dog and it vanished, and this veteran hunter's muzzloader

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<v Speaker 1>popped a cap, meaning it didn't fire. But now he's

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<v Speaker 1>beginning to plan for his final hunt, and if he

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't kill it, he's leaving Arkansas. Or maybe he'll be dead,

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<v Speaker 1>it's unclear. Then I told my neighbors on that Monday morning,

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<v Speaker 1>naming the day, that I would start that bar and

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<v Speaker 1>bring him home with me, or they might divide my

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<v Speaker 1>settlement among them, the owner having disappeared, well, Stranger. On

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<v Speaker 1>that morning previous to the great day of my hunting expedition,

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<v Speaker 1>I went into the woods near my house, taking my

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<v Speaker 1>gun and bowie knife along just from habit, and they're

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<v Speaker 1>sitting down also from habit. What should I see getting

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<v Speaker 1>over my fence but the bar. Yes, the old varmint

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<v Speaker 1>was within a hundred yards of me, and the way

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<v Speaker 1>he walked over that fence stranger. He loomed up like

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<v Speaker 1>a black mist, and he seemed so large. He walked

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<v Speaker 1>right towards me. I raised myself, took deliberate aim, and

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<v Speaker 1>fired instantly. The varmint wheeled and gave yale and walked

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<v Speaker 1>through the fence like a fallen tree wood through a cobweb.

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<v Speaker 1>I started after, but was tripped up by my inexpressibles,

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<v Speaker 1>which either from habit or the excitement of the moment,

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<v Speaker 1>where about my heels. And before I had really gathered

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<v Speaker 1>myself up, I heard the old varmint groaning in a

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<v Speaker 1>thicket nearby like a thousand centers, And by the time

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<v Speaker 1>I reached him, he was a corpse. Stranger. It took

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<v Speaker 1>five men and myself to put that carcass on a

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<v Speaker 1>mule's back, and old long airs waddled under his load,

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<v Speaker 1>and if he was foundered in every leg of his body,

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<v Speaker 1>and with a common whopper of a bar, he would

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<v Speaker 1>have trotted off and enjoyed himself. Wouldn't astonish you to

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<v Speaker 1>know how big he was. I made a bedspread of

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<v Speaker 1>his skin, and the way it used to cover my

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<v Speaker 1>bar mattress and leave several feet on each side to

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<v Speaker 1>tuck up would have delighted you. It was, in fact

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<v Speaker 1>a creation bar, and if it had lived in Sampson's time,

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<v Speaker 1>and if it had met him in a fair fight,

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<v Speaker 1>it would have licked him in the twinkling of a

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<v Speaker 1>dice box. But stranger, I never liked the way I

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<v Speaker 1>hunted him and missed him. There's something curious about it.

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<v Speaker 1>I never could understand, and I never was satisfied at

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<v Speaker 1>his given in so easily at last. Perhaps he had

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<v Speaker 1>heard of my preparations to hunt him the next day,

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<v Speaker 1>so he'd just come in like Captain Scott's coon, to

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<v Speaker 1>save his win, to grunt with and dying, But that

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<v Speaker 1>ain't likely. My private opinion is that the bar was

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<v Speaker 1>an unhuntable bar and died when its time had come.

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<v Speaker 1>The bear was growning like a thousand centers. I'm impressed

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<v Speaker 1>that thorpe knew that a black bear is one of

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<v Speaker 1>the few animals that we hunt on the planet that

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<v Speaker 1>has a death moan. A double lung shot bear one

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<v Speaker 1>that dies quickly will often give a loud, sometimes spooky,

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<v Speaker 1>elongated groan that can be heard at great distance. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>talking like a couple hundred yards. It usually lasts longer

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<v Speaker 1>than you think it should, and it's a sure sign

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<v Speaker 1>of the bear's death. For a bear hunter, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>bewildering moment of internal conflict, as the excitement of certain

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<v Speaker 1>success wars with a sobriety delivered by the beast's grandstanding

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<v Speaker 1>auditory expression of death. Both feelings are usually of equal measure.

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<v Speaker 1>Dog It also suggests that the bear heard his plans

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<v Speaker 1>for his hunt and basically turned himself in. This sounds

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<v Speaker 1>like a sensational thought, but in the book Make Prayers

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<v Speaker 1>to the Raven by Richard K. Nelson, we learned that

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<v Speaker 1>the Coyukan people of Alaska believe the black bear was

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<v Speaker 1>near the apex of spiritual power in the natural world.

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<v Speaker 1>They believe that when a person plans a bear hunt,

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<v Speaker 1>they should be careful not to speak directly about their

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<v Speaker 1>hunt plans, because the bear will hear them and avoid

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<v Speaker 1>being killed. A hunter must speak in code, using vague

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<v Speaker 1>terms if he wishes to invite others or discuss hunting plans,

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<v Speaker 1>and dog Its suggests that this creation bear may have

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<v Speaker 1>heard him. The death of a hunted bear is regarded

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<v Speaker 1>with such ceremony with the Coyukan that it's second only

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<v Speaker 1>to a human funeral. They regarded bear meat as a delicacy,

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<v Speaker 1>but killing one was a quote quest for prestige in

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<v Speaker 1>a high expression of manhood. This is similar to what

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<v Speaker 1>bear hunting became in the South, and I hope you

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<v Speaker 1>caught it. But dog It says that the bear was

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<v Speaker 1>a creation bar, which is the same descriptor he used

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<v Speaker 1>to describe Arkansas the creation state. This is a spiritual place,

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<v Speaker 1>and beast, no one I've talked to really knows exactly

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<v Speaker 1>what he meant. It's mysterious. But the climax of the

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<v Speaker 1>story is that dog It says the bar was an

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<v Speaker 1>unhuntable bar that died when his time had come, almost

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<v Speaker 1>as if his death had been scripted and the hunter

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<v Speaker 1>had nothing to do with it. The story is now

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<v Speaker 1>handed back to our New Orleans traveler, and he describes

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<v Speaker 1>the peculiar response of the Big Bar. When the story

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<v Speaker 1>was ended, our hero sat some minutes with his auditors

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<v Speaker 1>in grave silence. I saw there was a mystery to

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<v Speaker 1>him connected with the bear, whose death he had just

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<v Speaker 1>related and had evidently made a strong impression on his mind.

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<v Speaker 1>It was also evident that there was some superstitious awe

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<v Speaker 1>connected with the affair, a feeling common with all children

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<v Speaker 1>of the wood when they meet with anything out of

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<v Speaker 1>their everyday experience. He was the first one, however, to

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<v Speaker 1>break the silence, and, jumping up, he asked all present

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<v Speaker 1>to liquor before going to bed, a thing which he

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<v Speaker 1>did with a number of his companions, evidently to his

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<v Speaker 1>heart's content. Long before day, I was put ashore at

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<v Speaker 1>my place of destination, and I can only follow with

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<v Speaker 1>the reader and imagination our Arkansas friend and his adventures

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<v Speaker 1>at the forks of the Cypress on the Mississippi. There

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<v Speaker 1>was some superstitious awe connected with the bear. Doggett was

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<v Speaker 1>moved by his own story, and he left a major

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<v Speaker 1>impression on the fictional people. But the story left an

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<v Speaker 1>impression on the real people of America and the writers

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<v Speaker 1>who had script some parts of our American identity. We

0:27:50.960 --> 0:27:54.040
<v Speaker 1>didn't read the full story, probably only about half of it,

0:27:54.320 --> 0:27:58.560
<v Speaker 1>but now you know the premise. I've known for a

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<v Speaker 1>good part of my life that our Kansas was once

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<v Speaker 1>known as the Bear State. I discovered this while in college,

0:28:04.200 --> 0:28:07.960
<v Speaker 1>studying the thesis writing of University of Arkansas students and faculty.

0:28:08.359 --> 0:28:11.960
<v Speaker 1>But deep in the literature, this golden acren lay there

0:28:12.000 --> 0:28:14.960
<v Speaker 1>for the taken. No one ever told me this. I

0:28:15.080 --> 0:28:18.760
<v Speaker 1>never heard about it growing up. Doctor Brooks Blevins is

0:28:18.760 --> 0:28:23.080
<v Speaker 1>the undisputed historian of the Ozarks. I wanted to ask

0:28:23.160 --> 0:28:27.440
<v Speaker 1>him about why we were called the Bear state Arkansas,

0:28:27.480 --> 0:28:30.200
<v Speaker 1>the Bear State. You know, the truth is, no one

0:28:30.280 --> 0:28:35.280
<v Speaker 1>really knows exactly when or how the state got that nickname.

0:28:35.320 --> 0:28:38.320
<v Speaker 1>There's no you know, it wasn't an official nickname, but

0:28:38.440 --> 0:28:42.040
<v Speaker 1>we know that before the Civil War the state had

0:28:42.240 --> 0:28:45.800
<v Speaker 1>earned the nickname the Bear State. Unofficially. Did he show

0:28:45.840 --> 0:28:48.120
<v Speaker 1>up in literature, Yeah, And I would say there are

0:28:48.120 --> 0:28:52.200
<v Speaker 1>probably two reasons for that. One is that Arkansas did

0:28:52.240 --> 0:28:55.640
<v Speaker 1>become known as a state full of bears. I mean,

0:28:55.680 --> 0:28:59.120
<v Speaker 1>it was a state where bear hunting was very good.

0:28:59.440 --> 0:29:02.600
<v Speaker 1>And you think about in the days before the Civil War,

0:29:02.880 --> 0:29:06.600
<v Speaker 1>you're talking about a really sparsely populated state that has

0:29:06.640 --> 0:29:11.560
<v Speaker 1>a combination of highlands and swamps, but probably more than

0:29:12.040 --> 0:29:17.600
<v Speaker 1>that was because of the literary component you have. And

0:29:17.680 --> 0:29:22.080
<v Speaker 1>I think timing is really important in this. Arkansas becomes

0:29:22.080 --> 0:29:26.440
<v Speaker 1>a state and at that very moment you've got really

0:29:26.480 --> 0:29:30.760
<v Speaker 1>the genre of Southwestern humor is really starting to take off,

0:29:31.160 --> 0:29:35.640
<v Speaker 1>and it becomes in some ways the most popular genre

0:29:35.840 --> 0:29:40.920
<v Speaker 1>of literature before the Civil War. Arkansas became a state

0:29:40.960 --> 0:29:43.800
<v Speaker 1>in eighteen thirty six, and it's hard to say if

0:29:43.840 --> 0:29:46.880
<v Speaker 1>it was expressly created for the bear or if the

0:29:46.920 --> 0:29:52.160
<v Speaker 1>bear was expressly created for Arkansas. And literature is a

0:29:52.200 --> 0:29:57.000
<v Speaker 1>powerful tool for identity. Doctor Blevins believes the Big Bear

0:29:57.040 --> 0:30:00.560
<v Speaker 1>of Arkansas in eighteen forty one, along with other bear

0:30:00.640 --> 0:30:05.040
<v Speaker 1>hunting stories, branded the young state, sucking the backwoods bear

0:30:05.120 --> 0:30:09.200
<v Speaker 1>hunting image into the identity vacuum created by new statehood.

0:30:09.400 --> 0:30:13.320
<v Speaker 1>America desperately wondered who we were. So we don't know

0:30:13.360 --> 0:30:16.240
<v Speaker 1>who said it first, but it's clear it's connected to

0:30:16.360 --> 0:30:20.400
<v Speaker 1>Jim Doggett in this new genre of writing called Southwest humor.

0:30:20.840 --> 0:30:26.000
<v Speaker 1>But what is Southwest humor? As the name would suggests,

0:30:26.280 --> 0:30:29.440
<v Speaker 1>it's a humorous kind of writing that is based in

0:30:29.480 --> 0:30:32.640
<v Speaker 1>the Southwest, and in those days of the Southwest, wasn't

0:30:32.720 --> 0:30:36.280
<v Speaker 1>New Mexico and Arizona. It was Arkansas and Mississippi and

0:30:36.440 --> 0:30:40.960
<v Speaker 1>Alabama and Louisiana and basically the westernmost part of the

0:30:41.040 --> 0:30:44.240
<v Speaker 1>United States at that time, right, So, yeah, that becomes

0:30:44.280 --> 0:30:47.479
<v Speaker 1>the Southwest, and all these these stories are for the

0:30:47.480 --> 0:30:53.320
<v Speaker 1>most part published back east in sporting magazines, sporting periodicals.

0:30:53.360 --> 0:30:55.920
<v Speaker 1>The Spirit of the Times in New York was the

0:30:56.440 --> 0:31:00.600
<v Speaker 1>most prominent publisher of the Southwestern humor stories. And a

0:31:00.640 --> 0:31:03.880
<v Speaker 1>lot of these stories have to do with hunting. A

0:31:03.880 --> 0:31:05.600
<v Speaker 1>lot of them have to do with bear hunting. They

0:31:05.600 --> 0:31:07.520
<v Speaker 1>have to They also have to do with horse racing

0:31:07.560 --> 0:31:09.840
<v Speaker 1>and politics and all kinds of stuff that you see

0:31:09.840 --> 0:31:14.440
<v Speaker 1>out in these kind of frontier rural communities, but so

0:31:14.520 --> 0:31:18.480
<v Speaker 1>many of them have to do with bear hunting. And

0:31:18.520 --> 0:31:21.720
<v Speaker 1>you've got the most famous bear hunting story that comes out.

0:31:21.800 --> 0:31:25.400
<v Speaker 1>That's the Big Bear of Arkansas. This story becomes so

0:31:25.520 --> 0:31:30.040
<v Speaker 1>popular and so famous that some later literary historians in

0:31:30.080 --> 0:31:34.600
<v Speaker 1>the twentieth century would even refer to Southwestern humor as

0:31:35.040 --> 0:31:39.040
<v Speaker 1>the Big Bear genre of literature. I mean, that's how

0:31:39.200 --> 0:31:42.400
<v Speaker 1>much the Big Bear of Arkansas and stories a whole

0:31:42.480 --> 0:31:45.280
<v Speaker 1>bunch of other writers after him, Yeah, all the way

0:31:45.280 --> 0:31:49.720
<v Speaker 1>down to Faulkner and people in the twentieth century, right,

0:31:49.920 --> 0:31:55.080
<v Speaker 1>and all these people are fascinated with these Southwestern humor stories,

0:31:55.120 --> 0:31:59.160
<v Speaker 1>frontier characters in the dialect and all that kind of stuff.

0:31:59.160 --> 0:32:03.640
<v Speaker 1>Here's the universe, Jeve, Arkansas professor and folklore specialist, doctor

0:32:03.680 --> 0:32:08.520
<v Speaker 1>Bob Cochrane, What a cool guy. Tell me why this

0:32:08.560 --> 0:32:12.120
<v Speaker 1>short story, The Big Bear of Arkansas was so influential though?

0:32:12.160 --> 0:32:14.880
<v Speaker 1>That it When this one came out, it was a

0:32:14.920 --> 0:32:19.440
<v Speaker 1>climax piece that was lying in the sand almost of

0:32:19.880 --> 0:32:22.240
<v Speaker 1>and they called them, you know, the Big Bear Humorous

0:32:22.280 --> 0:32:26.280
<v Speaker 1>after that, and then that later would influence other American writers,

0:32:26.440 --> 0:32:29.000
<v Speaker 1>like why was this one so good? I think it was.

0:32:29.320 --> 0:32:32.760
<v Speaker 1>It became so famous because it was recognized right away

0:32:33.080 --> 0:32:36.840
<v Speaker 1>as better. It was more, it was more complex, you know,

0:32:36.880 --> 0:32:39.720
<v Speaker 1>it had the language, it had the jokes, it was

0:32:39.960 --> 0:32:44.120
<v Speaker 1>it was deeper. How was it complex? Well, just it's

0:32:44.120 --> 0:32:46.400
<v Speaker 1>a bear hunt story. But it's more than a bear

0:32:46.520 --> 0:32:50.840
<v Speaker 1>hunt story. It's about crossing into an experience, which is

0:32:51.640 --> 0:32:54.360
<v Speaker 1>the unknown. It's a burning bush story. You know, it's

0:32:54.400 --> 0:32:56.480
<v Speaker 1>something that shocks you out of the way you perceived

0:32:56.560 --> 0:32:59.480
<v Speaker 1>the very world. You don't think the world has this

0:32:59.600 --> 0:33:02.720
<v Speaker 1>in it, and it does. You know. It's one of

0:33:02.760 --> 0:33:04.400
<v Speaker 1>those kind of you know, you're walking along in a

0:33:04.440 --> 0:33:07.720
<v Speaker 1>bush catches on firewheel, it changes your life. Well, he's

0:33:07.760 --> 0:33:12.120
<v Speaker 1>walking along in he sees this bear walk through a fence.

0:33:12.440 --> 0:33:14.360
<v Speaker 1>You know, there's a sense on that line member where

0:33:14.360 --> 0:33:18.040
<v Speaker 1>it's italicized that through a fence, like a tree falling

0:33:18.080 --> 0:33:22.400
<v Speaker 1>through a cobboy web. Yeah, and it almost dematerializes the bear, right.

0:33:22.720 --> 0:33:24.560
<v Speaker 1>And there's a place where the bear hits one of

0:33:24.560 --> 0:33:28.720
<v Speaker 1>the dogs and the dog disappears, right. It doesn't say

0:33:28.720 --> 0:33:30.760
<v Speaker 1>it's yelping off to the side or killed or and

0:33:30.880 --> 0:33:33.120
<v Speaker 1>he says he uses that word, he said the dog

0:33:33.560 --> 0:33:36.239
<v Speaker 1>it's not there. He atomizes the dog, you know. So

0:33:36.440 --> 0:33:39.040
<v Speaker 1>in other words, it's I think it's a complex story

0:33:39.160 --> 0:33:44.080
<v Speaker 1>because it's it takes you into the unknown. It takes

0:33:44.120 --> 0:33:48.440
<v Speaker 1>you into the unknown. I have more questions for doctor Cochrane.

0:33:49.440 --> 0:33:51.800
<v Speaker 1>Let me ask you this, Is there a modern example

0:33:52.280 --> 0:33:54.880
<v Speaker 1>of what this would have been like inside of our

0:33:55.000 --> 0:33:58.520
<v Speaker 1>media today. Would it have been like my seventy five

0:33:58.600 --> 0:34:02.040
<v Speaker 1>year old dad looking at TikTok or well? The first

0:34:02.040 --> 0:34:05.840
<v Speaker 1>thing I think is that many readers would have spurned

0:34:05.840 --> 0:34:10.440
<v Speaker 1>it okay, and many readers would have regarded it as subliterary,

0:34:10.480 --> 0:34:12.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, as as sort of just like a shame

0:34:13.000 --> 0:34:14.960
<v Speaker 1>to our culture. You got it, You got it. The

0:34:15.000 --> 0:34:17.800
<v Speaker 1>way my grandmother felt about country music from West Virginia

0:34:17.920 --> 0:34:20.480
<v Speaker 1>really yeah, oh yeah. She didn't like country music. She

0:34:20.560 --> 0:34:22.840
<v Speaker 1>thought there was a world of difference between a mountaineer

0:34:22.920 --> 0:34:26.360
<v Speaker 1>and a hillbilly, and she was proud of being a mountaineer,

0:34:26.640 --> 0:34:29.439
<v Speaker 1>and she would not abide the word hillbill really yeah.

0:34:30.040 --> 0:34:33.120
<v Speaker 1>So you know we were when we were little kids,

0:34:33.200 --> 0:34:36.239
<v Speaker 1>we were said, don't say hillbilly around grandma. Really in

0:34:36.239 --> 0:34:40.000
<v Speaker 1>West Virginia, West Virginia, and so mountaineers you'd stand up

0:34:40.000 --> 0:34:43.240
<v Speaker 1>in salute. So your grandma wouldn't have liked this because

0:34:43.239 --> 0:34:45.640
<v Speaker 1>it was kind of hillbilly. It made it made fun.

0:34:45.680 --> 0:34:48.120
<v Speaker 1>It was a demeaning stereotype, and that would have been

0:34:48.120 --> 0:34:51.919
<v Speaker 1>true about a lot of people in respectable Little Rock

0:34:52.280 --> 0:34:55.759
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't have liked it either, because the same thing, you

0:34:55.800 --> 0:34:59.440
<v Speaker 1>know it, we still have that today, the state being

0:34:59.560 --> 0:35:02.439
<v Speaker 1>judged by what some people in the state would think

0:35:02.480 --> 0:35:06.120
<v Speaker 1>of as as its lowliest members. But to the people

0:35:06.200 --> 0:35:10.040
<v Speaker 1>that this appealed to, this was wildly popular, wildly popular.

0:35:11.920 --> 0:35:17.040
<v Speaker 1>Wildly popular literature was usually quite formal, and authors writing

0:35:17.120 --> 0:35:21.200
<v Speaker 1>in dialect with something new people loved it. I've got

0:35:21.239 --> 0:35:25.719
<v Speaker 1>more questions. Tell me about where this was published. The

0:35:25.760 --> 0:35:29.040
<v Speaker 1>Spirit of the Times, right, it had some competitors because

0:35:29.040 --> 0:35:31.600
<v Speaker 1>it was so successful, but it was the most successful.

0:35:31.880 --> 0:35:35.399
<v Speaker 1>It had a wide readership, and its readership was much

0:35:35.440 --> 0:35:38.600
<v Speaker 1>wider than the people it was discussing it was. It

0:35:38.760 --> 0:35:41.279
<v Speaker 1>wasn't read just by hunters or you know people. It

0:35:41.360 --> 0:35:44.239
<v Speaker 1>was a sporting journal, absolutely if it was interested in

0:35:44.280 --> 0:35:46.399
<v Speaker 1>one thing more than hunting, and I think it might

0:35:46.400 --> 0:35:48.200
<v Speaker 1>have been. It's not like I've sat down and read

0:35:48.200 --> 0:35:50.600
<v Speaker 1>all the back issues of this thing. Yeah, what would

0:35:50.640 --> 0:35:54.360
<v Speaker 1>be the first horse horse racing? Yes, and horse racing

0:35:54.520 --> 0:35:56.440
<v Speaker 1>was a was a big thing back then too. It

0:35:56.480 --> 0:36:00.640
<v Speaker 1>would have been like today's NASCAR. Yeah, and interest In

0:36:00.719 --> 0:36:04.360
<v Speaker 1>the first bit of this story, the Big Bear of Arkansas,

0:36:04.680 --> 0:36:08.080
<v Speaker 1>he makes a horse jockey joke. He said his bear

0:36:08.200 --> 0:36:11.600
<v Speaker 1>dog Bowie Knife, knows a bear the way a horse

0:36:11.680 --> 0:36:15.880
<v Speaker 1>jockey knows a woman. Yeah, which I can only assume

0:36:15.960 --> 0:36:18.520
<v Speaker 1>it means that the horse jockeys were the cool guys

0:36:18.760 --> 0:36:21.960
<v Speaker 1>that the women favorite. Yeah, that's because they were stars

0:36:22.040 --> 0:36:24.800
<v Speaker 1>in a way. Yeah. Yeah, it's it's about as risque

0:36:24.920 --> 0:36:28.520
<v Speaker 1>as you can get. Yeah, this genre of writing was

0:36:28.520 --> 0:36:31.160
<v Speaker 1>was pretty risque for the day. You can get away

0:36:31.200 --> 0:36:33.560
<v Speaker 1>with stuff that you couldn't get away with. And you

0:36:34.239 --> 0:36:36.839
<v Speaker 1>my grandmother would have gasped when she read that. Yeah,

0:36:36.840 --> 0:36:38.600
<v Speaker 1>she might not even picked up. Yeah, this was like

0:36:38.719 --> 0:36:42.719
<v Speaker 1>rebel stuff. Yeah, yeah, and trashy in some ways. But

0:36:42.760 --> 0:36:46.160
<v Speaker 1>the people who read it were not trashy. Financially they were,

0:36:46.239 --> 0:36:49.280
<v Speaker 1>you know, pretty well off. Would cost money to subscribe

0:36:49.280 --> 0:36:51.319
<v Speaker 1>to these things. And yeah, would it have been like

0:36:51.360 --> 0:36:53.839
<v Speaker 1>a print magazine would have been like but a kind

0:36:53.840 --> 0:36:59.480
<v Speaker 1>of tableau. Yeah, and it was extraordinarily popular. Thorpe used

0:36:59.520 --> 0:37:03.719
<v Speaker 1>colorful descriptors and metaphors in some sections I didn't read.

0:37:03.880 --> 0:37:06.320
<v Speaker 1>He said he didn't plan to go to New Orleans.

0:37:06.400 --> 0:37:10.160
<v Speaker 1>In a Crow's Life, using its lifespan to describe a

0:37:10.200 --> 0:37:12.800
<v Speaker 1>measure of time, he said running a bear in warm

0:37:12.840 --> 0:37:15.800
<v Speaker 1>weather would turn him into a skinful of bars grease,

0:37:16.239 --> 0:37:20.319
<v Speaker 1>and once dog hat proclaimed mosquitoes is nature, and I

0:37:20.440 --> 0:37:23.920
<v Speaker 1>never find fault with her if they are large. Arkansas

0:37:24.040 --> 0:37:27.280
<v Speaker 1>is large, her varmints are large, her trees are large,

0:37:27.320 --> 0:37:30.440
<v Speaker 1>her rivers are large, and a small mosquito would be

0:37:30.480 --> 0:37:33.560
<v Speaker 1>of no more use in Arkansas than preaching in a

0:37:33.680 --> 0:37:37.200
<v Speaker 1>cane break. That kind of sounds like something Brent Reeves

0:37:37.239 --> 0:37:41.080
<v Speaker 1>would say. I'm still trying to understand just how popular

0:37:41.160 --> 0:37:45.320
<v Speaker 1>this story was in America. Here's the old hickory nut himself,

0:37:45.480 --> 0:37:48.759
<v Speaker 1>Stephen Ranella, who happens to be one of those high

0:37:48.800 --> 0:37:52.399
<v Speaker 1>falutin New York Times bestselling authors. He's going to talk

0:37:52.440 --> 0:37:55.840
<v Speaker 1>about what he noted about the Big Bear of Arkansas.

0:37:57.160 --> 0:38:00.440
<v Speaker 1>It was very poetic, but in an obnoxious, annoying way

0:38:00.600 --> 0:38:02.960
<v Speaker 1>that they were at that at that time, people were

0:38:03.120 --> 0:38:08.800
<v Speaker 1>using poetic description so effectively. Put him describing in one passage,

0:38:08.840 --> 0:38:11.719
<v Speaker 1>when a bear comes over the fence, it rises over

0:38:11.760 --> 0:38:14.480
<v Speaker 1>the fence like a black mist, and when it goes

0:38:14.640 --> 0:38:17.120
<v Speaker 1>back through the fence, it goes through a fence like

0:38:17.120 --> 0:38:21.640
<v Speaker 1>a falling tree cutting through cobweb. And um, yeah, it's poetic.

0:38:22.040 --> 0:38:23.640
<v Speaker 1>Born of the earth and born of the land, and

0:38:23.719 --> 0:38:27.360
<v Speaker 1>not born of some some writing workshop. You know. You

0:38:27.400 --> 0:38:30.839
<v Speaker 1>think about these guys. They did not have YouTube, they

0:38:30.840 --> 0:38:34.560
<v Speaker 1>didn't have Netflix and Hulu. This was their craft. The

0:38:34.719 --> 0:38:38.680
<v Speaker 1>writing was the primary means of communication and even a

0:38:38.760 --> 0:38:43.399
<v Speaker 1>primary means of entertainment for people. This story, written as

0:38:43.400 --> 0:38:46.400
<v Speaker 1>it was, it would essentially be like saying, dude, you

0:38:46.400 --> 0:38:50.160
<v Speaker 1>should check out that Netflix documentary, It is awesome. Do

0:38:50.160 --> 0:38:54.640
<v Speaker 1>you think writers have gotten better worse at the command

0:38:54.640 --> 0:38:57.359
<v Speaker 1>of the English language community? And really, when you talk

0:38:57.400 --> 0:39:00.480
<v Speaker 1>about the command of the English language, what you're saying

0:39:00.880 --> 0:39:04.319
<v Speaker 1>is are people able to really describe what's happening on

0:39:04.400 --> 0:39:07.360
<v Speaker 1>planet Earth and inside the body of a human. I

0:39:07.360 --> 0:39:09.879
<v Speaker 1>don't want to talk about the population writ large, don't.

0:39:09.960 --> 0:39:13.319
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to just refer to just general adult Americans.

0:39:13.560 --> 0:39:18.600
<v Speaker 1>But I'll say of our leaders, okay, of our prominent figures,

0:39:18.840 --> 0:39:21.600
<v Speaker 1>the use of the English language has suffered since this time,

0:39:21.680 --> 0:39:25.520
<v Speaker 1>since then, I mean, just go simply go read transcripts

0:39:25.560 --> 0:39:29.720
<v Speaker 1>of Lincoln's Wou'd have been, you know, at his prime,

0:39:29.760 --> 0:39:31.600
<v Speaker 1>alive and well at this at the time of this writing.

0:39:32.040 --> 0:39:34.440
<v Speaker 1>Go look at his command and use of the English

0:39:34.520 --> 0:39:39.920
<v Speaker 1>language compared to a transcript of any modern president speaking today.

0:39:40.440 --> 0:39:43.200
<v Speaker 1>I think that the you know, more people of higher

0:39:43.239 --> 0:39:47.640
<v Speaker 1>percentage of people are literate now than then. But the

0:39:47.719 --> 0:39:52.399
<v Speaker 1>level of mastery of the English language, as exemplified by

0:39:52.440 --> 0:39:56.080
<v Speaker 1>like key individuals, has suffered. And I think that that

0:39:56.200 --> 0:40:00.800
<v Speaker 1>ability to speak in such a colorful, flamboyant, like energy

0:40:00.880 --> 0:40:05.040
<v Speaker 1>laden way has gone away. However you feel about him,

0:40:05.120 --> 0:40:07.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, and I've I've followed him and known him

0:40:07.480 --> 0:40:09.239
<v Speaker 1>my whole life and spoke to him. But you go,

0:40:09.360 --> 0:40:14.560
<v Speaker 1>look at the fire inside the language of a figure

0:40:14.640 --> 0:40:21.000
<v Speaker 1>like Ted Nugent. How fiery and colorful and exciting he's

0:40:21.040 --> 0:40:23.799
<v Speaker 1>able to speak, right. It sort of brings to mind

0:40:23.840 --> 0:40:26.640
<v Speaker 1>like the character speaking in this thing, he just like

0:40:26.760 --> 0:40:28.839
<v Speaker 1>he'll say a sentence. You're like, I don't understand how

0:40:28.840 --> 0:40:32.600
<v Speaker 1>you just strung that sentence together without working on it earlier,

0:40:32.719 --> 0:40:36.680
<v Speaker 1>Like an amazing ability to string sentences together to hit

0:40:36.719 --> 0:40:41.200
<v Speaker 1>two sides of the spectrum. Nugent will say sentences that

0:40:41.360 --> 0:40:46.040
<v Speaker 1>blow me away. Obama could string a sentence together that

0:40:46.120 --> 0:40:49.080
<v Speaker 1>When you read a transcript of the sentence, I think

0:40:49.080 --> 0:40:51.840
<v Speaker 1>to myself, how could someone have formed that as a

0:40:51.920 --> 0:40:56.239
<v Speaker 1>spoken sentence having not written it out first. I'm not

0:40:56.440 --> 0:41:00.279
<v Speaker 1>often blown away by people's sentences they put that they

0:41:00.320 --> 0:41:03.760
<v Speaker 1>put together. But but reading this, you know, and again

0:41:04.160 --> 0:41:06.440
<v Speaker 1>we're confusing, like this was created by a writer. This

0:41:06.480 --> 0:41:08.640
<v Speaker 1>wasn't a transcript of a thing, So it was created

0:41:08.640 --> 0:41:10.879
<v Speaker 1>by a writer who did their research and spent their

0:41:10.920 --> 0:41:14.000
<v Speaker 1>time in reading it. I sort of lament that that

0:41:14.320 --> 0:41:18.600
<v Speaker 1>flamboyance with languages isn't normal, And I wonder how normal,

0:41:18.680 --> 0:41:22.520
<v Speaker 1>like was it normal? You know, were these characters out

0:41:22.560 --> 0:41:27.080
<v Speaker 1>there who would speak so in just such a wild, colorful,

0:41:27.160 --> 0:41:32.080
<v Speaker 1>passionate way. I bet you weren't expecting Uncle Ted and

0:41:32.200 --> 0:41:36.200
<v Speaker 1>Barack Obama to come up in this conversation. Neither was

0:41:36.239 --> 0:41:42.799
<v Speaker 1>I here's doctor Cochrane continuing to describe how influential this

0:41:42.960 --> 0:41:47.200
<v Speaker 1>Big Bear of Arkansas story was. There was one volume

0:41:47.239 --> 0:41:49.160
<v Speaker 1>in his life it was published that had nothing but

0:41:49.239 --> 0:41:52.000
<v Speaker 1>his stuff in it, and it was called Hive of

0:41:52.080 --> 0:41:55.120
<v Speaker 1>the b Hunter eighteen fifty four. And there's twenty four

0:41:55.200 --> 0:41:58.359
<v Speaker 1>pieces in that The Big Bears one up and the

0:41:58.440 --> 0:42:02.640
<v Speaker 1>second most frequently include a story in anthology is nothing

0:42:02.880 --> 0:42:06.000
<v Speaker 1>next to the story. It's it's a trivial piece. It's

0:42:06.000 --> 0:42:09.160
<v Speaker 1>called a Piano in Arkansas. And it's a hook story.

0:42:09.200 --> 0:42:11.879
<v Speaker 1>I mean it's it's just got one point. You got

0:42:11.880 --> 0:42:14.880
<v Speaker 1>a village Braggart who's very proud of the fact that

0:42:14.880 --> 0:42:17.600
<v Speaker 1>he's made two trips to the capitol Little Rock, and

0:42:17.640 --> 0:42:19.839
<v Speaker 1>he thinks he knows everything, and he's, in other words,

0:42:19.880 --> 0:42:22.520
<v Speaker 1>he's the expert on the big world, right Yeah, And

0:42:22.600 --> 0:42:25.480
<v Speaker 1>he's heard that a newly arrived family in town has

0:42:25.520 --> 0:42:28.680
<v Speaker 1>a piano and there's a great curiosity in the town

0:42:29.000 --> 0:42:31.359
<v Speaker 1>called something like hard scrabble, you know how they name

0:42:31.400 --> 0:42:35.799
<v Speaker 1>is Faketown. Yeah, nobody knows what a piano is. And

0:42:35.880 --> 0:42:38.200
<v Speaker 1>this guy says, well, he's seen more pianist than what

0:42:38.360 --> 0:42:41.160
<v Speaker 1>they see Woodchucks, I mean, he's see so. And what

0:42:41.280 --> 0:42:44.000
<v Speaker 1>happens is, of course, that he is exposed as a

0:42:44.000 --> 0:42:47.200
<v Speaker 1>as a braggart and a liar because he mistakes a

0:42:47.320 --> 0:42:52.320
<v Speaker 1>newly arrived washing machine for a piano. He thinks, Okay,

0:42:52.480 --> 0:42:55.879
<v Speaker 1>so that story is nothing. It's just a one one.

0:42:56.040 --> 0:43:00.160
<v Speaker 1>That's it. Just told you the whereas this story we

0:43:00.200 --> 0:43:02.480
<v Speaker 1>could spend an hour or two just trying to figure

0:43:02.480 --> 0:43:05.160
<v Speaker 1>out what the final thing this story is about. Yeah.

0:43:05.200 --> 0:43:07.560
<v Speaker 1>So I think it became the most popular story on

0:43:08.160 --> 0:43:10.680
<v Speaker 1>really solid grounds. I think it's as good a story

0:43:10.680 --> 0:43:13.879
<v Speaker 1>if there is, yeah genre, it's the most complex one

0:43:13.960 --> 0:43:20.360
<v Speaker 1>I know. These Southwest humor stories created lovable and interesting characters,

0:43:20.640 --> 0:43:24.200
<v Speaker 1>but they were also setting up my beloved homeland for

0:43:24.280 --> 0:43:28.040
<v Speaker 1>a rough one hundred and fifty years of what scholars

0:43:28.040 --> 0:43:31.000
<v Speaker 1>say was the most picked on state in America in

0:43:31.040 --> 0:43:35.440
<v Speaker 1>the twentieth century by far. We've mentioned that the Big

0:43:35.480 --> 0:43:39.880
<v Speaker 1>Bear school of literature likely had notable effect on Mark Twain,

0:43:40.080 --> 0:43:43.360
<v Speaker 1>who would begin publishing in the late eighteen sixties, becoming

0:43:43.400 --> 0:43:48.359
<v Speaker 1>America's most famous writer. Here's Steve Vernella. A thing that

0:43:48.840 --> 0:43:52.760
<v Speaker 1>I noticed two and was the It was evocative of

0:43:53.200 --> 0:43:57.840
<v Speaker 1>Mark Twain. Yeah. What made Twain Twain was his ability

0:43:57.840 --> 0:44:04.200
<v Speaker 1>to capture vernacular, his ability to live a life of

0:44:04.440 --> 0:44:09.919
<v Speaker 1>research and take almost his characters were born of deep

0:44:09.960 --> 0:44:14.960
<v Speaker 1>experience that he had personally, meaning there was no Huckleberry Finn,

0:44:15.200 --> 0:44:18.319
<v Speaker 1>there was no Tom Sawyer but Mark Twain, and that

0:44:18.400 --> 0:44:21.080
<v Speaker 1>was his pen name. Samuel Clemens spent his life on

0:44:21.120 --> 0:44:26.480
<v Speaker 1>the Mississippi, was raised on the Mississippi, had proximity two slaves,

0:44:26.520 --> 0:44:29.640
<v Speaker 1>grew up in a slave holding place, fished catfish, He

0:44:29.880 --> 0:44:33.280
<v Speaker 1>was a riverboat pilot. He did hang out with people

0:44:33.680 --> 0:44:37.439
<v Speaker 1>he knew. These individuals, huck Finn and Tom Sawyer were

0:44:37.719 --> 0:44:42.080
<v Speaker 1>perhaps more real than actual real people. And what gave

0:44:42.120 --> 0:44:45.359
<v Speaker 1>him so much, his characters, so much humanity, is they

0:44:45.400 --> 0:44:49.480
<v Speaker 1>were They were low class people, but he loved them

0:44:49.520 --> 0:44:53.759
<v Speaker 1>and like he loved them deeply low class people. That

0:44:53.880 --> 0:44:57.480
<v Speaker 1>was his soul, right, was bringing these people to life

0:44:57.480 --> 0:45:00.880
<v Speaker 1>and defying stereotypes. So here you had have you know,

0:45:01.120 --> 0:45:05.279
<v Speaker 1>you're hearing this tale spun by and and this this

0:45:05.520 --> 0:45:08.840
<v Speaker 1>Arkansas bear hunter, but you're looking at like, you know,

0:45:08.840 --> 0:45:10.759
<v Speaker 1>how the narrative is captured is like clearly the writer

0:45:10.800 --> 0:45:14.520
<v Speaker 1>had spent time around people, and you're like this Arkansas

0:45:14.640 --> 0:45:18.160
<v Speaker 1>bear hunter who's sort of being ingest portrayed as this

0:45:18.160 --> 0:45:23.640
<v Speaker 1>this rough and tumble individual, but in fact he's exceedingly articulate.

0:45:23.840 --> 0:45:29.040
<v Speaker 1>He's a very clear communicator. He's full of compassion and empathy,

0:45:29.480 --> 0:45:34.719
<v Speaker 1>and he's he's like a spiritual figure, right, who approaches

0:45:34.800 --> 0:45:37.360
<v Speaker 1>life with like a great lust, you know. And so

0:45:37.440 --> 0:45:40.120
<v Speaker 1>it's loving, right, it's loving in a way that a

0:45:40.120 --> 0:45:43.200
<v Speaker 1>lot of stuff you see when you're watching something now

0:45:43.360 --> 0:45:48.240
<v Speaker 1>and you're watching some stupid Disney movie and a hunter

0:45:48.320 --> 0:45:52.279
<v Speaker 1>comes up, it's not it's hateful, it's he prises a

0:45:52.320 --> 0:45:57.560
<v Speaker 1>Southern accent. He's he's bloodthirsty, he's ignorant. I mean, these

0:45:57.560 --> 0:45:59.160
<v Speaker 1>are all things you see all the time, right, But

0:45:59.239 --> 0:46:01.279
<v Speaker 1>at this time, and you could have this person like

0:46:02.239 --> 0:46:07.640
<v Speaker 1>what steps in the door. Here's this uneducated, uncouth, redneck

0:46:07.719 --> 0:46:11.680
<v Speaker 1>bear hunter. But let's hear him talk. What emerges is

0:46:11.760 --> 0:46:16.200
<v Speaker 1>all those things I said earlier, like very passionate, deeply articulate,

0:46:16.520 --> 0:46:21.600
<v Speaker 1>deeply feeling individual who ascribes like all these emotional things

0:46:21.880 --> 0:46:23.480
<v Speaker 1>to a bear hunt and takes a story in an

0:46:23.560 --> 0:46:26.880
<v Speaker 1>unexpected direction. He loves this bear like his brother and

0:46:27.400 --> 0:46:29.920
<v Speaker 1>misses the bear. And so it's this whole package of

0:46:30.239 --> 0:46:32.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, what comes in is like, you know, you're

0:46:32.400 --> 0:46:35.600
<v Speaker 1>expecting to have this guy be lampooned, but this guy

0:46:35.719 --> 0:46:39.800
<v Speaker 1>is handled with great care. Yeah you like you read it,

0:46:39.840 --> 0:46:42.880
<v Speaker 1>and you like dudes from Markan thought, Yeah, yeah, you

0:46:42.960 --> 0:46:46.560
<v Speaker 1>wish you could talk to that guy. The dichotomy of

0:46:46.640 --> 0:46:51.600
<v Speaker 1>the ignorant backwoodsman being a complex individual with his humanity

0:46:51.680 --> 0:46:56.640
<v Speaker 1>on display is fascinating but not new. Even then here's

0:46:56.719 --> 0:47:03.640
<v Speaker 1>doctor Cochrane. It's like this narrative of the simpletons of

0:47:03.680 --> 0:47:06.520
<v Speaker 1>the South or the or the hill country or Appalachia

0:47:06.600 --> 0:47:11.000
<v Speaker 1>or the Ozarks being portrayed in this complex way of

0:47:11.000 --> 0:47:14.239
<v Speaker 1>being really simple but also educated and in the know

0:47:14.840 --> 0:47:17.279
<v Speaker 1>and kind of this striking contrast. This seems like a

0:47:17.280 --> 0:47:21.120
<v Speaker 1>common narrative the simpleton is actually the the smart guy.

0:47:21.520 --> 0:47:23.799
<v Speaker 1>Was that pretty common back in those days? Well, it's

0:47:23.800 --> 0:47:26.400
<v Speaker 1>an old trope. It's an ancient trope. Jack and the

0:47:26.400 --> 0:47:29.080
<v Speaker 1>Bean story. You know there these uh, you know, Jack

0:47:29.200 --> 0:47:31.799
<v Speaker 1>is a simpleton. But Jack is smart enough to do

0:47:31.880 --> 0:47:35.120
<v Speaker 1>what the guy's daughter tells him to do, and he wins,

0:47:35.480 --> 0:47:38.799
<v Speaker 1>you know, he and winning and killing the giant. So

0:47:39.560 --> 0:47:42.680
<v Speaker 1>the sometimes they're making fun of the guy liking that

0:47:42.840 --> 0:47:46.520
<v Speaker 1>a piano in Arkansas story that the town sophisticate is

0:47:46.560 --> 0:47:49.960
<v Speaker 1>exposed as a as a fraud. But here it's it's again,

0:47:50.000 --> 0:47:52.319
<v Speaker 1>it's part of the wonder of this story. It's it's

0:47:52.480 --> 0:47:56.000
<v Speaker 1>much more complicated if you move to the last paragraph

0:47:56.120 --> 0:47:58.680
<v Speaker 1>or so that when he finishes the story, he's told

0:47:58.680 --> 0:48:01.560
<v Speaker 1>a deep story about it himself. He's told a story

0:48:01.719 --> 0:48:03.920
<v Speaker 1>he's a great hunter, but memory says the bear was

0:48:04.000 --> 0:48:06.799
<v Speaker 1>hunting me. Yea, the bear came and sat across my

0:48:06.960 --> 0:48:10.200
<v Speaker 1>fence and killed a hog whenever he wanted to right.

0:48:10.360 --> 0:48:12.760
<v Speaker 1>In other words, he tells a story about his own defeat.

0:48:12.960 --> 0:48:15.440
<v Speaker 1>So here you have a ring tale roarer. Well, there

0:48:15.440 --> 0:48:18.040
<v Speaker 1>are scores of ring tale roarer stories, but they're in

0:48:18.040 --> 0:48:20.960
<v Speaker 1>a few ring tale Roarer stories where the roarer says,

0:48:21.000 --> 0:48:23.680
<v Speaker 1>here's the story where I got beat. Here's the story

0:48:23.760 --> 0:48:26.200
<v Speaker 1>where I was in over my head. But I don't

0:48:26.280 --> 0:48:30.400
<v Speaker 1>even today really understood what happened there. I mean, this

0:48:30.480 --> 0:48:34.040
<v Speaker 1>story almost is unique for that kind of depth in

0:48:34.160 --> 0:48:36.400
<v Speaker 1>this genre. And if you look at the last paragraph,

0:48:36.400 --> 0:48:38.279
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you read that opening paragraph that he won

0:48:38.360 --> 0:48:41.200
<v Speaker 1>people over right away, and his total self confidence in

0:48:41.239 --> 0:48:44.239
<v Speaker 1>the end, that self confidence is gone. Yeah. When the

0:48:44.320 --> 0:48:47.400
<v Speaker 1>story was ended, our hero set some minutes with his

0:48:47.480 --> 0:48:50.680
<v Speaker 1>auditors in grave silence. Yeah. I saw that there was

0:48:50.719 --> 0:48:53.400
<v Speaker 1>a mystery to him connected with the bear whose death

0:48:53.440 --> 0:48:56.320
<v Speaker 1>he had just related, that had evidently made a strong

0:48:56.560 --> 0:49:01.960
<v Speaker 1>impression on his mind. The Big bar of Arkansas turns

0:49:01.960 --> 0:49:04.880
<v Speaker 1>out to be one of the most interesting, deepest people

0:49:04.920 --> 0:49:08.200
<v Speaker 1>on the boat, leaving the passengers in all his life,

0:49:08.320 --> 0:49:12.600
<v Speaker 1>his philosophy and right smart enamored. Maybe even in this

0:49:13.400 --> 0:49:17.480
<v Speaker 1>this is a popular theme. Doctor Blevins wrote about the

0:49:17.560 --> 0:49:22.040
<v Speaker 1>times having a romantic impulse to exalt and envy the

0:49:22.160 --> 0:49:27.040
<v Speaker 1>supposed and unattainable simple life of the hillman. This idea

0:49:27.160 --> 0:49:30.840
<v Speaker 1>is no less strong today than it was then. Here's

0:49:30.880 --> 0:49:36.480
<v Speaker 1>another layer of depth to this story from Steve and I. Today,

0:49:36.600 --> 0:49:40.520
<v Speaker 1>there's this narrative inside the hunting space that we all

0:49:40.600 --> 0:49:44.719
<v Speaker 1>kind of have attached ourselves to. Is this deep respect

0:49:44.760 --> 0:49:49.360
<v Speaker 1>for our quarry which we sometimes think was absent during

0:49:49.480 --> 0:49:52.879
<v Speaker 1>the market hunting era of this country, and we kind

0:49:52.920 --> 0:49:55.040
<v Speaker 1>of feel like it's new, you know, like now when

0:49:55.080 --> 0:49:57.640
<v Speaker 1>we kill a deer, you know, we like think about

0:49:58.520 --> 0:50:02.000
<v Speaker 1>we've really taken something and this is significant, and this

0:50:02.080 --> 0:50:04.799
<v Speaker 1>is meaningful. This is not a small thing, and you'll

0:50:04.840 --> 0:50:08.960
<v Speaker 1>pay respect to this animal. But really that is so old.

0:50:09.080 --> 0:50:11.800
<v Speaker 1>But what surprised me and what I loved so much,

0:50:11.960 --> 0:50:15.600
<v Speaker 1>but when Jim Dogg, the Arkansas bear hunter, when he

0:50:15.719 --> 0:50:19.880
<v Speaker 1>saw his dogs walking the bear. The bear was walking

0:50:19.920 --> 0:50:21.400
<v Speaker 1>and the dogs were all around it. He said he

0:50:21.440 --> 0:50:24.560
<v Speaker 1>couldn't tell if the bear even knew the dogs were there.

0:50:24.800 --> 0:50:28.759
<v Speaker 1>And he said, I loved him like a brother. I mean,

0:50:29.000 --> 0:50:32.160
<v Speaker 1>if somebody said that today, that would seem like cutting edge,

0:50:32.360 --> 0:50:36.400
<v Speaker 1>like wow Man eighteen forty one. Thomas Bangthorpe's fictional character

0:50:36.480 --> 0:50:39.600
<v Speaker 1>Jim Dogg at Arkansas Bear Hunter loved him like a brother.

0:50:39.880 --> 0:50:43.719
<v Speaker 1>And I think that that inside of that, it emerged

0:50:44.160 --> 0:50:48.520
<v Speaker 1>a functionalization of that love which turned into the North

0:50:48.520 --> 0:50:52.560
<v Speaker 1>American wile of wildlife conservation. Really, what we're doing managing

0:50:52.600 --> 0:50:56.080
<v Speaker 1>wildlife in this country goes back to Jim Dogg. It

0:50:56.280 --> 0:50:59.560
<v Speaker 1>loving that bear like a brother and now his momenting

0:50:59.560 --> 0:51:02.839
<v Speaker 1>his past. Yeah, and then when the bear dies, he

0:51:02.920 --> 0:51:07.640
<v Speaker 1>said the bear hunter became extremely melancholy and sad, and

0:51:07.719 --> 0:51:11.359
<v Speaker 1>he said he missed the bear, and you wouldn't have

0:51:11.400 --> 0:51:13.560
<v Speaker 1>thought that would have come out of the eighteen four

0:51:16.760 --> 0:51:19.680
<v Speaker 1>I think that's one of the greatest lines in American literature,

0:51:19.880 --> 0:51:22.759
<v Speaker 1>especially as it pertains to the lasting ethic of the

0:51:22.760 --> 0:51:27.240
<v Speaker 1>American sportsman that has functionalized that love of a beast

0:51:27.320 --> 0:51:31.920
<v Speaker 1>into saving wild places in wildlife. Lordie, LORDI, my brothers,

0:51:31.920 --> 0:51:34.640
<v Speaker 1>we have walked into a bird nest on the ground

0:51:35.000 --> 0:51:37.799
<v Speaker 1>as we live in one of the greatest heydays of

0:51:37.840 --> 0:51:42.160
<v Speaker 1>American wildlife, wild places and access to hunting. I believe

0:51:42.360 --> 0:51:46.160
<v Speaker 1>that's why these stories of our heritage, our identity as

0:51:46.200 --> 0:51:49.440
<v Speaker 1>Americans are so powerful in the midst of a rapidly

0:51:49.560 --> 0:51:55.040
<v Speaker 1>progressing society seemingly trying to forget the backwoodsman. We cannot

0:51:55.080 --> 0:51:58.840
<v Speaker 1>forgive who we are. Society needs to continue to create

0:51:58.920 --> 0:52:02.520
<v Speaker 1>space for hunters to manage the lion's share of wild

0:52:02.560 --> 0:52:06.319
<v Speaker 1>places and wildlife. We've got a long track record of success,

0:52:06.440 --> 0:52:09.879
<v Speaker 1>and if we do, there will be space and wildlife

0:52:09.880 --> 0:52:13.680
<v Speaker 1>for all the stakeholders to partake whatever means they like.

0:52:14.440 --> 0:52:17.880
<v Speaker 1>This is America and we're hunters that love the great

0:52:17.960 --> 0:52:21.800
<v Speaker 1>beasts and our caretakers of the wild places where they live.

0:52:22.400 --> 0:52:26.240
<v Speaker 1>Can you say amen to that? I wanted to ask

0:52:26.360 --> 0:52:29.799
<v Speaker 1>Steve why hunters seem to be so enamored with the

0:52:29.840 --> 0:52:33.360
<v Speaker 1>ones that got away or the unkillable animal. Here's what

0:52:33.480 --> 0:52:36.879
<v Speaker 1>he said. It's a good question. You go super deep

0:52:36.880 --> 0:52:42.160
<v Speaker 1>psychology and have it be that you're establishing that in

0:52:42.239 --> 0:52:45.520
<v Speaker 1>the end, the animal can prevail, and that what you're

0:52:45.560 --> 0:52:49.960
<v Speaker 1>doing is exceptionally difficult. And you might see that someone

0:52:50.040 --> 0:52:55.160
<v Speaker 1>that had come from a line of resource destruction, market hunters, whoever,

0:52:55.239 --> 0:52:59.680
<v Speaker 1>where you were like, you're literally wiping species off the

0:52:59.719 --> 0:53:03.120
<v Speaker 1>air his map, that you would have a mythology of

0:53:03.160 --> 0:53:06.040
<v Speaker 1>the ones that can't be got as a way to

0:53:06.360 --> 0:53:11.160
<v Speaker 1>alleviate some of the guilt or blame. Or it could

0:53:11.200 --> 0:53:14.880
<v Speaker 1>be just that it creates that it's like an act

0:53:14.880 --> 0:53:19.080
<v Speaker 1>of reverence. Here's a story from Steve's past about a

0:53:19.160 --> 0:53:23.560
<v Speaker 1>mythical uncatchable fish on the lake that I grew up on.

0:53:23.920 --> 0:53:25.719
<v Speaker 1>We used to have a guy, I don't have this guy.

0:53:25.760 --> 0:53:27.960
<v Speaker 1>This guy whose name is mister Playing, and he was

0:53:28.040 --> 0:53:31.200
<v Speaker 1>a He introduced us all to this thing called speed trolling. Okay,

0:53:31.280 --> 0:53:34.200
<v Speaker 1>so basically he would troll northerns by very fast trolling

0:53:34.200 --> 0:53:36.160
<v Speaker 1>of northerns. He was the first guy ever knew that

0:53:36.200 --> 0:53:38.560
<v Speaker 1>had a fish finder, back when it was a piece

0:53:38.600 --> 0:53:40.920
<v Speaker 1>of graph paper and a pencil. So you when you

0:53:40.920 --> 0:53:43.440
<v Speaker 1>got into fishing, you'd have a paper roll and you

0:53:43.480 --> 0:53:47.399
<v Speaker 1>would unroll three four feet a graph paper and it'd

0:53:47.440 --> 0:53:49.759
<v Speaker 1>show you could carry around your day of fishing on

0:53:49.840 --> 0:53:53.319
<v Speaker 1>a piece of graph paper. And he put it in

0:53:53.400 --> 0:53:57.560
<v Speaker 1>everyone's mind, including mine, that in this small sixty six

0:53:57.640 --> 0:53:59.600
<v Speaker 1>acre lake that I grew up on, which is about

0:53:59.640 --> 0:54:01.680
<v Speaker 1>twenty two feet in as deep a spot, that there

0:54:01.760 --> 0:54:05.440
<v Speaker 1>was a five foot northern pike in there. I carried

0:54:05.440 --> 0:54:08.600
<v Speaker 1>that around with me. Why can't you catch it? No

0:54:08.600 --> 0:54:10.480
<v Speaker 1>one will catch it. We talk about like our dream

0:54:10.480 --> 0:54:12.120
<v Speaker 1>would be the dream and lay can find that thing.

0:54:12.680 --> 0:54:15.960
<v Speaker 1>So it appeals to people. Yeah, I think I think

0:54:16.040 --> 0:54:18.399
<v Speaker 1>deep inside of it, it makes you want to go.

0:54:18.760 --> 0:54:21.400
<v Speaker 1>When I think about the stories of the deer, the

0:54:21.480 --> 0:54:24.600
<v Speaker 1>bear that I didn't kill, it makes me want to

0:54:25.080 --> 0:54:29.680
<v Speaker 1>go back out there again. And ultimately the predator has

0:54:29.719 --> 0:54:32.560
<v Speaker 1>to be rooting for the prey because the prey is

0:54:32.600 --> 0:54:36.839
<v Speaker 1>what keeps the predator alive. So we're hunters, but we

0:54:37.120 --> 0:54:41.480
<v Speaker 1>deeply want like Jim dagga, we deeply want our prey

0:54:41.600 --> 0:54:46.440
<v Speaker 1>to beat us. Hidden deep in the DNA of the predator,

0:54:46.520 --> 0:54:50.400
<v Speaker 1>our checks and balances, offering general assurance that their prey

0:54:50.560 --> 0:54:55.200
<v Speaker 1>will persist as enlightened beasts ourselves. We can articulate that

0:54:55.320 --> 0:54:59.520
<v Speaker 1>sentiment into our stories. If wolves could talk, perhaps they'd

0:54:59.520 --> 0:55:05.200
<v Speaker 1>revere the uncatchable caribou or moose. Doctor Cochrane asked me

0:55:05.239 --> 0:55:08.920
<v Speaker 1>if I was familiar with the writer Barry Lopez. Here's

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<v Speaker 1>what he had to say about the author. Yeah, he

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<v Speaker 1>won a National Book Award for a book called Arctic Dreams.

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<v Speaker 1>But the book I know well because I just taught

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<v Speaker 1>it is a book of his called of Wolves and Men.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, what he did was sit out there and

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<v Speaker 1>watch prey predator interactions a lot, and most of the

0:55:28.520 --> 0:55:31.520
<v Speaker 1>time he observed nothing happens, you know. And he's talking

0:55:31.560 --> 0:55:34.080
<v Speaker 1>about wolves for the most part. And so he would

0:55:34.080 --> 0:55:37.479
<v Speaker 1>see a wolfpack and they would find some caribou, and

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<v Speaker 1>most of the time they look at each other. And

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<v Speaker 1>so there's a phrase he came up with called and

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<v Speaker 1>he called it the conversation of death. That fits perfectly

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<v Speaker 1>with the story at the end where he says, I

0:55:48.800 --> 0:55:52.040
<v Speaker 1>think he was an unhuntable bear. He died when his

0:55:52.160 --> 0:55:54.640
<v Speaker 1>time had come, and he has the sense the hunter

0:55:54.680 --> 0:55:56.960
<v Speaker 1>has a sense that he's the hunted. In that passage

0:55:57.000 --> 0:55:59.880
<v Speaker 1>that we were focusing in on, where it's clear that

0:56:00.080 --> 0:56:03.440
<v Speaker 1>the bear on a previous chase had easily tired out

0:56:03.480 --> 0:56:06.640
<v Speaker 1>his horse and his dogs, right, and this day he

0:56:06.680 --> 0:56:08.880
<v Speaker 1>says or he did not care to get out of

0:56:08.920 --> 0:56:11.080
<v Speaker 1>their way. The next day he did, he could have

0:56:11.200 --> 0:56:14.759
<v Speaker 1>left them like he did before. So Lopez's notion of

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<v Speaker 1>the conversation of death that the bear is choosing, the

0:56:17.760 --> 0:56:20.040
<v Speaker 1>bear is in charge and they're one of the things

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<v Speaker 1>that's always strange to me about the story. And you

0:56:21.840 --> 0:56:24.040
<v Speaker 1>could see it as a clumsy moment in the story.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, there's an island in a lake that appears

0:56:26.760 --> 0:56:31.240
<v Speaker 1>very conveniently in this story. Yeah, so are we supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to at this point in the story that his dogs

0:56:33.880 --> 0:56:36.440
<v Speaker 1>chase what he believes to be the bear cross a

0:56:36.560 --> 0:56:39.520
<v Speaker 1>lake onto an island. Right, he gets out there, kills

0:56:39.560 --> 0:56:42.560
<v Speaker 1>the bear and it's not not the chosen bear, right,

0:56:42.680 --> 0:56:46.080
<v Speaker 1>So are in that point has he mistaken earlier or

0:56:46.120 --> 0:56:48.720
<v Speaker 1>has the bear is the bear? Also, among many other

0:56:48.800 --> 0:56:52.600
<v Speaker 1>sort of almost magical things, a shape shifter that he

0:56:52.840 --> 0:56:54.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, he all of a sudden he becomes an

0:56:54.120 --> 0:56:56.840
<v Speaker 1>old she bear of pathetic size. Remember, the people in

0:56:57.000 --> 0:57:00.120
<v Speaker 1>town make fun of him for it. So and the

0:57:00.160 --> 0:57:04.560
<v Speaker 1>dog just disappears, and he seems to walk through a fence. Well,

0:57:04.600 --> 0:57:07.319
<v Speaker 1>you know, as if he were not a substantial being.

0:57:07.400 --> 0:57:09.760
<v Speaker 1>You know that he was made out of mist or something.

0:57:10.280 --> 0:57:13.520
<v Speaker 1>So there's all this. The word for this that would

0:57:13.520 --> 0:57:16.360
<v Speaker 1>scholars would use for the Washington Irving stories like Rip

0:57:16.400 --> 0:57:19.480
<v Speaker 1>van Winkle or the Legend of Sleepy Hollow would be

0:57:19.560 --> 0:57:23.440
<v Speaker 1>to do stories about the uncanny. And literally uncanny just

0:57:23.520 --> 0:57:28.520
<v Speaker 1>means you can't know it, you can't know it. Here's

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<v Speaker 1>one of the most mysterious descriptors used by dog it

0:57:31.840 --> 0:57:37.160
<v Speaker 1>to describe the bear and Arkansas both. He used that

0:57:37.280 --> 0:57:41.600
<v Speaker 1>term as a descriptor creation. He called Arkansas the creation

0:57:41.760 --> 0:57:46.919
<v Speaker 1>state and this bear the creation bear, which I mean

0:57:47.000 --> 0:57:51.760
<v Speaker 1>creation has this idea of like a like coming first, yeah,

0:57:51.800 --> 0:57:56.440
<v Speaker 1>but it also has this idea of not connected to

0:57:56.520 --> 0:58:00.280
<v Speaker 1>something in this realm. To create something means that almost

0:58:00.280 --> 0:58:03.440
<v Speaker 1>like it came from nothing. And creation bear, when you

0:58:03.480 --> 0:58:05.840
<v Speaker 1>read it, you get a sense that, yeah, this is

0:58:05.880 --> 0:58:09.440
<v Speaker 1>like a special bear, a bear of a different lineage

0:58:09.480 --> 0:58:12.280
<v Speaker 1>than the average bear. And that felt like what he

0:58:12.440 --> 0:58:18.080
<v Speaker 1>was saying about Arkansas, creation bear and creation state. What

0:58:18.160 --> 0:58:23.680
<v Speaker 1>do you think dog? It meant. I've got one final

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<v Speaker 1>question for doctor cochrane about what mysteries remain in modern times?

0:58:29.200 --> 0:58:33.080
<v Speaker 1>Are there any mysteries left? To put this story in context,

0:58:33.200 --> 0:58:36.840
<v Speaker 1>in eighteen forty one, the knowledge base of the general

0:58:36.840 --> 0:58:41.160
<v Speaker 1>populace or the elitely educated populace would have been vastly

0:58:41.240 --> 0:58:43.600
<v Speaker 1>different than the knowledge we have today. I'm talking about

0:58:43.640 --> 0:58:48.160
<v Speaker 1>science and technology, everything. It seems like the audience would

0:58:48.160 --> 0:58:54.960
<v Speaker 1>have been more susceptible to this idea of spirituality or

0:58:55.400 --> 0:58:59.080
<v Speaker 1>a different realm, or these mysteries that can't be explained

0:58:59.520 --> 0:59:03.000
<v Speaker 1>in some way. My question to you is it feels

0:59:03.040 --> 0:59:06.600
<v Speaker 1>like we're still, even though we have all this technology

0:59:06.720 --> 0:59:11.800
<v Speaker 1>knowledge answers about the natural world, that people still are

0:59:12.120 --> 0:59:16.000
<v Speaker 1>asking some of these questions just about what reality is.

0:59:16.040 --> 0:59:18.240
<v Speaker 1>In a way, it makes great sense to me all

0:59:18.240 --> 0:59:21.120
<v Speaker 1>those people a couple hundred years ago, and they were

0:59:21.280 --> 0:59:23.680
<v Speaker 1>credulous about this kind of thing they would believe in,

0:59:24.160 --> 0:59:27.400
<v Speaker 1>And you're right, You're absolutely right. I don't believe in

0:59:27.440 --> 0:59:29.480
<v Speaker 1>those and you know, I don't believe in ghosts and

0:59:29.560 --> 0:59:33.000
<v Speaker 1>I've never seen a ghost, but I'm very slow now

0:59:33.040 --> 0:59:36.160
<v Speaker 1>to say, you know, just sort of with tremendous confidence,

0:59:36.800 --> 0:59:40.240
<v Speaker 1>there is no realm that's out there that I simply

0:59:40.280 --> 0:59:43.360
<v Speaker 1>can't access. I think this is one of the great

0:59:43.400 --> 0:59:46.320
<v Speaker 1>things about the story. This good is it makes us

0:59:46.320 --> 0:59:50.360
<v Speaker 1>aware of that, and so across two hundred years. You know,

0:59:50.800 --> 0:59:52.960
<v Speaker 1>I can stand in that guy's shoes, I can stand

0:59:53.000 --> 0:59:56.680
<v Speaker 1>in the bear hunter shoes. I've had experiences that are uncanny.

0:59:57.200 --> 0:59:59.680
<v Speaker 1>I do not live in a world that I fully understand.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, that's the easiest statement I've ever made. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think it myself as any in any way

1:00:08.640 --> 1:00:11.280
<v Speaker 1>have any kind of psychic powers or you know, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a stone compared to some of the people I know.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think all of us have had at least

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<v Speaker 1>some experiences where you think, wow, the trend of the

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<v Speaker 1>age just with everything, but primarily having to do with

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<v Speaker 1>technology and just general knowledge of what we believe we

1:00:29.480 --> 1:00:34.439
<v Speaker 1>know about the earth, the physical nature of the earth. Humans.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like we feel like all the questions about us

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<v Speaker 1>are answered, but really, when you look at what we know,

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<v Speaker 1>we have the same questions that they had back then.

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<v Speaker 1>They're just a little bit different. Everything we know hasn't

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<v Speaker 1>brought us really that much closer to the answer, and

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<v Speaker 1>there is still an incredible amount of mystery inside the

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<v Speaker 1>earth today. Amen, I say amen to that. Yeah, it

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<v Speaker 1>seems to me that there's as much mystery as there

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<v Speaker 1>ever was. And actually one of the one of the

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<v Speaker 1>ways I'd like to understand knowledge. I mean, I'm working

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<v Speaker 1>a university and get paid for supposedly contributing to knowledge.

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<v Speaker 1>What knowledge does if you cast it in a metaphor

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<v Speaker 1>of light, When if knowledge throws light into previously darkened areas,

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<v Speaker 1>it also enlarges the area. So you know, the for

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<v Speaker 1>every inch you gain and stuff you see clearly, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>there's another couple of yards of stuff that you that

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<v Speaker 1>you see dimly for the first time. So there's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>for me, that's always been a kind of dominant image.

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<v Speaker 1>Just think of it. We live in a world. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know the numbers here, but I you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>try to read these these articles about scientists talking about

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<v Speaker 1>the cosmos, something like, you know, three fourths of the

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<v Speaker 1>cosmos is made up of stuff that seems to me

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<v Speaker 1>almost comically labeled. It's called dark energy and dark matter. Okay, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I think the word dark there implies that we don't

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<v Speaker 1>see it very well, you know, And here we've got

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<v Speaker 1>you know. I mean, I believe in the scientific enterprise,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. I love it when telescopes see further and

1:02:11.520 --> 1:02:15.080
<v Speaker 1>stuff like that. I just said, Amen, I can't. I

1:02:15.120 --> 1:02:18.760
<v Speaker 1>think mystery surrounds us. I think mystery is close to

1:02:18.840 --> 1:02:26.600
<v Speaker 1>home and far away. Mystery surrounds us. It's close to

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<v Speaker 1>home and far away. The short story The Big Bear

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<v Speaker 1>of Arkansas is one of my all time favorite pieces

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<v Speaker 1>of American literature. It influences genre of incredible American writers

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<v Speaker 1>who told our story to the world. It branded the

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<v Speaker 1>young state to an America hungry to learn this new place.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not known who said it first, but Arkansas being

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<v Speaker 1>known as the Bear State is directly linked to this

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<v Speaker 1>one piece of literature. And the takeaway for me is

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<v Speaker 1>that media is powerful, and much of this story's influence

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<v Speaker 1>was positive for Arkansas in the South. But we'll learn

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<v Speaker 1>on the next episode about how Southwestern humor characters like

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<v Speaker 1>Jim Doggett set up Arkansas to be the most ridiculed

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<v Speaker 1>and belittle place in America. In nineteen fifty four, writer

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<v Speaker 1>Eugene Newsom said, it's safe to say I believe that

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<v Speaker 1>Arkansas has been the butt of more jokes running from

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<v Speaker 1>raillery to ridicule than any other political entity in the country.

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<v Speaker 1>An article in Time magazine in the nineteen thirties said

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<v Speaker 1>Arkansans had developed a mass inferiority complex unique in American history.

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<v Speaker 1>On the next episode, we're going to explore the Arkansas

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<v Speaker 1>image from barefoot fiddle play and Hillbillies to fortune five

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<v Speaker 1>hundred companies all the way to the Oval Office. I

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<v Speaker 1>think you'll be fascinated by what we learned. I can't

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<v Speaker 1>thank you enough for listening to Bear Grease. Please share

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<v Speaker 1>the big bar of Arkansas with all those grubby hillbillies

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<v Speaker 1>on the Render next week. Who