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Speaker 1: Tina Louise is here with us. The book is Sunday,

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Speaker 1: We're here with Tina Louise, the Legend, the Star, the author,

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Speaker 2: Well, that's interesting. I had learned some kind of a

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Speaker 1: Gilgan's Island question, What an episode that I love is

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Speaker 1: called All about Ava. You played two roles in that episode. Yes,

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Speaker 1: was that a challenge? What was that like?

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, I have one side of my face

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Speaker 2: that photographs it a little bit differently than the other,

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Speaker 2: So that was easy in terms of photographic you know.

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Speaker 2: And they were just two different characters, you know, one

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Speaker 2: wanted to be the other person.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so.

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Speaker 2: I played both of them, you know, I just did it.

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Speaker 2: I don't remember what tricks I had to do that

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Speaker 2: at that time, in particular, except you know, photographically I

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Speaker 2: photographed differently. Yeah, and she wasn't me.

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Speaker 3: I was me.

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Speaker 2: I was Ginger the character and she was somebody else

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Speaker 2: who you know. And I don't remember it too well.

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Speaker 1: You know, if anyone's listening, I highly recommend going back

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Speaker 1: and watching that episode. It's really an incredible performance from you.

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Speaker 3: I always tried to do my best, That's all I

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Speaker 3: can say.

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Speaker 1: Well, you stand out in every Gilligan's Island episode, especially

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Speaker 1: old that of it that's from season three. So again,

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Speaker 1: this this this podcast is mostly about Gilmore Girls, the

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Speaker 1: show Gilmore Girls. In that show, there's a number of

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Speaker 1: references to you to Ginger.

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Speaker 3: I didn't know that. Oh well, I had no idea. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: you're the first person who told.

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Speaker 1: Me that that was That was my question, But.

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Speaker 2: Nobody ever told me that. Really, I didn't know about that. Wow.

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Speaker 1: You know there there's a there's a red headed care

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Speaker 1: character and they say, okay, Tina Louis is like that

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Speaker 1: kind of thing.

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Speaker 3: I didn't know.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 1: I mean, how does it feel you You were referenced

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Speaker 1: constantly though, and in all kinds of shows.

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Speaker 3: I've been told I was an icon.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I've been told.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I'm shotting from the rooftops. How I mean,

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Speaker 1: looking back, how does that feel to have held that

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Speaker 1: place in popular culture?

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Speaker 3: I like it. I have a lot of friends.

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Speaker 2: I like it, and a lot of people write to

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Speaker 2: me and I really appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: That's incredible. Which of your roles through, if you can,

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Speaker 1: was the most memorable the when you look back on

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Speaker 1: the most.

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Speaker 3: That's very easy.

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Speaker 2: It's my first film, Yeah, because I just identified with it.

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Speaker 2: It was so real. It was the most real film

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Speaker 2: that I did. And I had a wonderful director or

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Speaker 2: a wonderful group of people actors that I worked with.

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Speaker 2: The characters you know, it was a book was Erskine

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Speaker 2: Caldwell's book each Yeah, God, it's the Laker and each

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Speaker 2: character was so clear, and it was just so wonderful

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Speaker 2: to be a part of that. And that film went

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Speaker 2: into the Venice Film Festival, and that was an amazing

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Speaker 2: experience for me to go to be invited there and

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Speaker 2: to go to let's see, I didn't go to Rome.

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Speaker 2: It was in Venice. Yeah, I'm the Lido. And we

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Speaker 2: stayed in this amazing hotel and it was such an

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Speaker 2: experience and they gave me two dozen red roses.

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Speaker 3: And the light went on. I said, oh, my goodness, you.

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Speaker 2: Should be giving this to the director on this film

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Speaker 2: or the writer of this film. And I just was

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Speaker 2: overwhelmed with this kind of attention. Imagine that little girl

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Speaker 2: that nobody paid attention to was in Venice. Wow, how'd

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Speaker 2: she get there? And all that light on her when

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Speaker 2: nobody really cared about her.

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Speaker 1: I know, I think reading your book, I think about that.

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Speaker 1: So that was so present in my mind. Is I'm like,

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Speaker 1: here's this little girl that was going through such a

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Speaker 1: difficult experience being you know, feeling so insafe, feeling like

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Speaker 1: she had no one to rely on, and then you

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Speaker 1: become this incredible person.

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Speaker 2: Was it was an overwhelming experience to be at that

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Speaker 2: film festival, let me tell you. Yeah, it was really something.

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Speaker 2: And I got to go to Rome, which I always

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Speaker 2: wanted to go to. I had a lot of friends

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Speaker 2: that were Italian in New York and I always wanted

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Speaker 2: to go back there, and I did. I did go

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Speaker 2: back there and I worked there.

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Speaker 3: Oh amazing. But that was the most important film that

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Speaker 3: I ever did.

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Speaker 1: Again, I mean, everyone listening, you really should watch God's

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Speaker 1: Lake or Buddy Hackett is in the movie.

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Speaker 3: I mean, the Aldo ray was so incredible.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, just all stars, all stars. I do want to say, lastly,

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Speaker 1: I listened to your album It's Time for Tina. Incredible.

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Speaker 1: I love that album so much.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: And I didn't know that you had recorded it until

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Speaker 1: just a few months ago. Oh and it's an amazing work.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: And I just want you to know your version of

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Speaker 1: it's a long long time. It's been a long long time.

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Speaker 1: It's really going. It's I don't you know, viral might

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Speaker 1: be the term. There's everyone's discovering that version of it,

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Speaker 1: and it's really exciting to see it kind of come back.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a wonderful experience. I was just nineteen

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Speaker 2: when I did it, And I don't know if I

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Speaker 2: understood everything I was singing about. I know my tone

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Speaker 2: was good. I did study singing, but I'm glad that

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Speaker 2: you enjoyed it. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I was going to ask if music was a passion

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Speaker 1: for you as well.

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Speaker 3: Like, well, I loved singing. Yeah, I loved studying, you know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I used to go to dance class

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Speaker 2: and I had my singing lessons and whatever. I found

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Speaker 2: many teachers. I had many teachers, well, at least a

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Speaker 2: few before I met Les Strasburg, the master.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know.

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Speaker 2: We used to sit on the of our seats to

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Speaker 2: listen to Lee and his critique of the different scenes.

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Speaker 2: And I was allowed into the actor's studio before I

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Speaker 2: became a member. And it was his wife, his first wife,

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Speaker 2: who said to me one day, Tina, you have to

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Speaker 2: become a member of the studio. You have to try out.

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Speaker 2: I said, oh, no, Paul, I don't want to. I

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Speaker 2: just want to study with Lee. I really don't want

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Speaker 2: to do that. Well, you have to.

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Speaker 3: You just have to.

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Speaker 2: And I thought, well, if she said I have to,

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Speaker 2: then I have to try out. She also said something

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Speaker 2: to me that I understand now, which I'll never forget,

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Speaker 2: she said. She told me one day after in the class, Tina,

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Speaker 2: what are you afraid of? And I didn't know. I

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Speaker 2: didn't know, but now I know.

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Speaker 1: Tina Louise, thank you so much for joining us on

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Speaker 1: I Am All In Everyone Sunday a memoir. It's her book.

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Speaker 1: It is out now. It's on Audible, it's on Amazon,

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Speaker 1: you can get it anywhere. I highly recommend you read

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Speaker 1: it and go watch everything Tina Lewis has been and

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Speaker 1: she's incredible. This has been so much fun. Thank you

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Speaker 1: for coming by.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for listening.

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Speaker 1: Everybody, and don't forget. Follow us on Instagram at I

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