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Speaker 3: Do you want to.

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Speaker 1: Using?

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Speaker 2: Will be well for it's time to bant? Oh yeah,

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Speaker 2: rub them hands together. It's Friday. You ain't got she

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Speaker 2: had to do you bond as well. Tune into the

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Speaker 2: best damn combat sports show ever. Even after this tumultuous

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty four morning combats still stand in Brian Campbell,

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Speaker 2: the American Alpha, that BBC with the BDE or whatever

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Speaker 1: Man that changes things a little.

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Speaker 2: I'm Lithuanian from the waist up. Luke the thing I

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Speaker 2: wanted to say, Luke Thomas, Friday, November eighth, here, twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty four. True or false? This damn election has driven

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Speaker 2: you to vape?

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Speaker 4: No, my dog nearly dying has driven.

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Speaker 1: Me to vape.

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Speaker 2: Fair, fair, come back fair.

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Speaker 1: A dog nearly dying. Yeah. I had to take breaks

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Speaker 4: Yeah. No, it's Ben Barbaus who's right over here. He's chilling.

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Speaker 1: But Jesus, that has been I told people I don't

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Speaker 1: have pet insurance he's too old now. Anyways, thirteen, I

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Speaker 4: I spent to save his life.

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Speaker 1: Like, holy fuck, man, I have a lot of pet insurance.

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Speaker 2: Look, I have the maximum because my animals to try

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Speaker 1: Oh, you also live in Noah's Arc. I mean there's

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Speaker 2: I mean I live. Well, there's a few things going

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Speaker 2: out in this house. But let's get this house in order.

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Speaker 2: The best show ever, right, we're gonna be back today. Oh,

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Speaker 2: we are back. We're watching this right now. We got

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Speaker 2: a pretty good show to you for you.

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Speaker 1: Today.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna set the stage for the weekend to come

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Speaker 2: from UFC Fight Night Apex number one hundred to one

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Speaker 2: one sixty nine. Tonight we got a pair of boxing

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Speaker 2: cards A bunch of people missed. Wait and oh, by

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Speaker 2: the way, John Jones just entered the chat with Kevin

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Speaker 2: Iola yesterday. So a lot to get you. Luke. You

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Speaker 1: You right there.

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Speaker 4: You said APEX one hundred, so I said one zero zero.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, keep it a buck apex all right there it

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Speaker 2: is right there, Luke, What would you say about outside

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Speaker 2: of you know, your hour by hour, minute by minute,

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Speaker 2: keep up of the great Barbis. How are you doing

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Speaker 2: this week, Luke?

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Speaker 1: Good?

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Speaker 4: Barbis had a bad day yesterday.

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Speaker 1: He had a big relapse and his breathing rate was terrible,

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Speaker 1: and so I was freaking out again yesterday. He is

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Speaker 1: better today. He is better today. So it's just been

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Speaker 1: She took care of VI left. She had a great Halloween.

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Speaker 4: And then Barbara's like I had a relapse yesterday.

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Speaker 1: it's been a lot, But today's a better day. The

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Speaker 4: I'm good to go. I think I'm ready for today.

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Speaker 2: I have to give you credit, Luke. You've been through hell,

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Speaker 2: but you look like you just got a one hundred

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Speaker 1: Right now.

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Speaker 4: So so my guy Jamaine takes care of me. Ready

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Speaker 4: for the price?

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Speaker 1: Ready, mall?

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Speaker 1: No? No he's not. He's uh, he's definitely black. Jermaine

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Speaker 1: is my guy. Get ready for the price? Ready?

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Speaker 4: This and this total fifty five dollars? How about that?

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Speaker 4: Fifty five dollars?

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Speaker 2: That's not bad. I mean for twenty eight I can

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Speaker 1: I mean you know, yes, would you also look like

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Speaker 2: That's true, That's true. I'm like, if they keep adding features,

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Speaker 2: There's a lot going on, Luke Connor mcgregors in court

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Speaker 2: Because we're about a week away from from go time,

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Speaker 1: Back to back sandbagging events. What's not to love? All right,

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Speaker 2: I just got done interviewing Steepe this morning. By way

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Speaker 2: to Shaquille Majori for setting it up. What do you

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Speaker 2: think Stepe said during the fifteen Not much? Yeah, Nail

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Speaker 2: surprised you Nail that look, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: It was great, But that man, I've never met a

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Speaker 2: I got to respect that. He told me that he'll

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Speaker 2: I asked him what the firehouse is saying about Bonie.

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Speaker 2: He's like, Oh, they don't really talk to me about UFC.

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Speaker 2: we'll get to that in the future. Luke, anything else

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Speaker 2: You saw our social handles by the way below. You

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Speaker 2: in all those missing blanks that you used to get

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Speaker 2: idea who likes water hates us. But let's bring in

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Speaker 2: the third member of our team. You know him as producer, director,

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Speaker 2: and proprietor of the main card minute podcast Long Island,

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Speaker 2: Luke Nosda. That hair is growing in just fine.

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Speaker 3: Luke that's growing in. You know, it wasn't exactly a

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Speaker 2: Okay? Are you and no one was?

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Speaker 1: No one was looking at that and thinking that's that's

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Speaker 2: You know, would you say that you Gaff and the

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Speaker 2: Mike Tyson Bong are ready for Neil Magni versus Carlos

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Speaker 3: We are ready to go Saturday seven pm in the East.

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Speaker 3: Card Minute Merch coming soon, possible announcement, whoa possible announcement?

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Speaker 2: topic is topic zero and it's UFC Heavyweight Champion John Jones,

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Speaker 2: media cycles ahead of course eight days from now UFC

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Speaker 2: right after the topic we all care about. Hey, John,

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Speaker 2: if you beat Stepe, are you going to retire? Are

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Speaker 2: Uncle keV and Bony who's gotten me blocked on Instagram?

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Speaker 2: Somehow Luke Thomas can see everything John's doing right there.

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Speaker 2: But let's hear what John has to say, and you

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Speaker 2: better believe we got a reaction ready. You defeat him,

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Speaker 2: as you're a six to one favorite to win the fight.

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Speaker 1: If you defeat him, will you defend your.

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Speaker 2: Voat against Aspinall who has the interim.

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Speaker 4: If he says he wants to fight Pooton.

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Speaker 1: Tom Aspinall is. Of any fighter in any division, the

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Speaker 4: That is what we are talking about here. The practice of.

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 4: Does Pooton have a big name, Yes, of course.

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Speaker 1: Like this is not an indictment about how great Pooton is.

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Speaker 1: What if the most deserving contender that the UFC has

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Speaker 4: We're talking about the heavyweight division.

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Speaker 4: What the fuck are you people smoking?

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Speaker 2: If he's being true, it is a hell of a duck,

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Speaker 4: I didn't say it wasn't bigger.

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Speaker 2: You did, but you may have missed, missus.

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Speaker 4: Yes, it is a big fight. It's not a more

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Speaker 2: I don't even know if John's gonna do any other

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Speaker 2: This heel work putting Aspenall down. He's wrong. What he's

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Speaker 2: to be fair and one that is supporting John. This

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Speaker 2: it's an absolute joke one year later for John to

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Speaker 4: What are people talking about? This is madness.

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Speaker 1: and says, you know what, tom Asman, all your next? Fine, fine, fine,

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Speaker 1: no problem. I'm just reacting to an interview where he's

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Speaker 1: other context, just not the world that we live in currently.

435
00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:42,440
Speaker 1: That is, if you can't get up for a title

436
00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:47,359
Speaker 1: unification at heavyweight, why are you watching this sport? I

437
00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:50,359
Speaker 1: seriously question that, Why are you watching this sport? What

438
00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:53,200
Speaker 1: you want to do is play with he man action figures.

439
00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:56,000
Speaker 1: I want to see the best fighters face each other,

440
00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:59,840
Speaker 1: and in particular, the best and deserving fighters get the

441
00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:01,520
Speaker 1: opportunities that they have earned.

442
00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,400
Speaker 4: Holy shit, this is not difficult.

443
00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:07,040
Speaker 1: And if you're making it difficult, it is only because

444
00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:09,679
Speaker 1: you are very confused about how this whole sport is

445
00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:10,480
Speaker 1: supposed to work.

446
00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:15,320
Speaker 2: Look, I would never openly chair for injuries or setbacks

447
00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:17,719
Speaker 2: to hit any fighter, especially for the loss of payday

448
00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:20,880
Speaker 2: and all that. But good lord, would it be interesting

449
00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:23,280
Speaker 2: theater in the next eight days if either of these

450
00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:25,520
Speaker 2: main eventters can't go. I mean, it would just be

451
00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:28,720
Speaker 2: the ultimate what are we gonna do here? How to?

452
00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:31,280
Speaker 2: I mean, maybe you get Poeton on forty eight hours

453
00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:34,160
Speaker 2: to notice if if something happens to one of these two.

454
00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:39,560
Speaker 2: But yeah, because it's Dana's fault waiting allowing this scenario,

455
00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:43,399
Speaker 2: this saga to go an unnecessary additional year puts a

456
00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:45,760
Speaker 2: lot of people in bad spots. But even if this

457
00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:48,720
Speaker 2: puts John in a bad spot after a year, he's

458
00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:50,760
Speaker 2: still accepting the fight against Stepe, So I think he

459
00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:54,119
Speaker 2: needs to accept the responsibility of what comes with getting

460
00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:57,000
Speaker 2: such a grand gesture from the boss while we make

461
00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:59,760
Speaker 2: Aspirinau stand over here on this island. Look, if he

462
00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:04,560
Speaker 2: does fight him, meaning John in aspinall next, will it

463
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:08,040
Speaker 2: follow him, will it actually follow him for years to

464
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:09,560
Speaker 2: calm or will it be small.

465
00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:12,040
Speaker 4: Footnote that's a little harder to say.

466
00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,800
Speaker 1: Again, here's the problem with trying to be overly simplistic

467
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:19,440
Speaker 1: with the broader picture of John's career, this current situation.

468
00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:22,240
Speaker 1: If he follows through on the plan or at least

469
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:24,919
Speaker 1: the what his what his desires would be in this

470
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:29,080
Speaker 1: Kevin Iolely interview, I mean, it's just hard to say

471
00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:32,600
Speaker 1: that that's anything other than disreputable. Like it's you can't

472
00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:35,760
Speaker 1: just duck the number one contender who also has a belt,

473
00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:39,760
Speaker 1: who's been defending that motherfucking belt. Uh, and then expect

474
00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:41,879
Speaker 1: that your legacy would be intact. However, I made this

475
00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:44,760
Speaker 1: point a million times. You're also talking about a guy who,

476
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,000
Speaker 1: like is not just the standard bearer of excellence for

477
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:49,480
Speaker 1: light heavyweight, but maybe fighting in general. It's certainly in

478
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:52,959
Speaker 1: his prime. I mean, this is a hugely accomplished fighter.

479
00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:57,439
Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, ducking aspitall is bad, But

480
00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:01,280
Speaker 1: does that unreally bad? But does that undo again, assuming

481
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 1: he does that, does that undo so much achievement? No,

482
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,240
Speaker 1: of course it doesn't. Like there's a lot that will

483
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,399
Speaker 1: go and remain untouched. But it would just look to

484
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:15,520
Speaker 1: me like the heavyweight campaign that he went on facing

485
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:17,720
Speaker 1: Cereal Gone I thought, you know, was good and gone

486
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:20,720
Speaker 1: shit the bed. But that's not John's fault. But okay, fine,

487
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:22,920
Speaker 1: that's none of that is John's fault. But then everything

488
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:27,200
Speaker 1: after to me is so insane and so crazy. Yeah,

489
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:29,359
Speaker 1: there would be something of an asterisk as it relates

490
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:33,879
Speaker 1: to his heavyweight campaign, but that doesn't undo how accomplished

491
00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:35,840
Speaker 1: more broadly he is.

492
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Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, And I want to say, look, John,

493
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:41,840
Speaker 2: we're giving you the opportunity here to call you the goat,

494
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:43,720
Speaker 2: to basically say, if you go out there and beat

495
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 2: Stepe and defend your heavyweight title, your second title. I mean,

496
00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:51,600
Speaker 2: you are cementing that goat ship. But goats are supposed

497
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:54,959
Speaker 2: to do what's expected of them, and what's expected of you,

498
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:57,400
Speaker 2: given that you were allowed that additional year to wait

499
00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 2: on this matchup that you know very few were asking

500
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 2: for or if any at all, I think it's his responsibility.

501
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 2: But I can also come back at you with the

502
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,679
Speaker 2: GSP argument, and he pulled the same thing on UFC

503
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,440
Speaker 2: and walked away. Is it different because we're not making

504
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,119
Speaker 2: the claim that GSP's the goat, whereas it would be

505
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:16,480
Speaker 2: cemented and automatic if John beats Steepe and walks away,

506
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 2: especially with the change in rule of the twelve to six,

507
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,760
Speaker 2: eventually that Matt Hamill you know loss is going to

508
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 2: be turned to a no contest and he could essentially

509
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:26,680
Speaker 2: pull a Mayweather here and walk away, you know, perfection

510
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:30,359
Speaker 2: after running through everyone. But I expect more out of

511
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:32,840
Speaker 2: goats to not turn their back and walk away. It

512
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:36,119
Speaker 2: is that the difference of why we're not that railing

513
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:37,879
Speaker 2: on GSP for doing the same thing, or is it

514
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 2: a difference in how we like and perceive them. I

515
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 2: can't figure that out.

516
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:42,920
Speaker 1: I mean, here's the thing. There's no way to argue

517
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 1: that GSP didn't fuck things up after he beat Bisping

518
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 1: by not giving Whittaker an opportunity like that. Whittaker ultimately

519
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:55,240
Speaker 1: was able to persevere and do well. But again, if

520
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 1: Whittaker had an opportunity to face GSP and let's say,

521
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:00,080
Speaker 1: potentially beat him, and I think he probably would have

522
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,679
Speaker 1: have what does that do for Whittaker stock It catapults

523
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:05,879
Speaker 1: it and he lost on that he was never given

524
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 1: that opportunity, And if aspinall is denied that he'll have

525
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:11,400
Speaker 1: the exact same problem. He will not be the same

526
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 1: kind of star without beating someone that came before him.

527
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:16,680
Speaker 1: And again I'm not saying he would have automatically beat John.

528
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 1: Maybe John beats Tom aspinall the fight is as a

529
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:25,399
Speaker 1: fight far more intriguing. But you rob the It's never good,

530
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,439
Speaker 1: and it happens, and there's times where it's understandable, but

531
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:30,920
Speaker 1: it's never great for the division for a champion to

532
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 1: just give the title back. Now, there are times when

533
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 1: that does happen. For example, when GSP retired the first time,

534
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 1: right and he just gave the division back, or gave

535
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,119
Speaker 1: the title back after beating Hendrix a very controversial whin,

536
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 1: but he did it and he bowed out. The division

537
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 1: was able to recover, but neither Hendricks nor Lawler were

538
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 1: able to ever really recapture some of the star power

539
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 1: that was lost had they gained it by beating GSP. However,

540
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:54,240
Speaker 1: when GSP came back, you know, did he time it

541
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 1: in a way where he felt like he probably had

542
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:59,560
Speaker 1: a really good shot of beating the guy because because

543
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,159
Speaker 1: Luke Rock had lost to Michael Bisping and he was

544
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:02,639
Speaker 1: the champion.

545
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:04,200
Speaker 4: I don't think you can say otherwise.

546
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,680
Speaker 1: But he was trying to fight ostensibly the top guy

547
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 1: in the division at that time. That's different than avoiding

548
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 1: the number one contender when you're the reigning defending And

549
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,680
Speaker 1: by the way, according to UC president Dana White, active

550
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 1: injured but active. I mean, these are totally different scenarios.

551
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 1: There are some similarities based on how they could ultimately end.

552
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 1: That is true, and I do think GSP deserves some blamants.

553
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:29,200
Speaker 1: I'm trying to be forthright about it, but like saying

554
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 1: that these are equivalent, No, they're not equivalent in important respects.

555
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 2: If John is only doing a public negotiation stance, I

556
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 2: could almost argue that the opposite stratech tell me if

557
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:44,679
Speaker 2: I'm crazy. The opposite strategy might might if he is

558
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 2: give him more value, meaning coming out and saying, yeah,

559
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,880
Speaker 2: Aspinall's turning into a big star. He's got UK behind him.

560
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,159
Speaker 2: I think if we did this fight in a you know,

561
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 2: Wembley soccer stadium, it could be one of the biggest

562
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,879
Speaker 2: eventsive in UFC history. So hey, Dana, if you want this,

563
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 2: pay me. I mean, that seemed like that'd be the

564
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 2: better public negotiation move. But I do understand what you've

565
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,199
Speaker 2: said in the past, that he's finally back on not

566
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,639
Speaker 2: just good terms, but like all time great terms with Dana.

567
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:13,920
Speaker 2: I don't know if he wants to mess that up,

568
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:17,359
Speaker 2: but if it's this is true, it's a duck and

569
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:19,440
Speaker 2: I feel like you have to keep that asterisk next

570
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 2: to his name forever. It's almost like when Lennox Lewis

571
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 2: in his final fight, fought Vladimir Klitschko in last minute

572
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 2: notice and it turned out to be this hillacious war

573
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 2: that people think Lenox kind of survived because he tore

574
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:35,200
Speaker 2: up he tore up batalitly, Clitch goes face so badly

575
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:37,200
Speaker 2: that the rest stopped the fight after the sixth round,

576
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 2: and we all wanted that immediate rematch. Let's go, let's

577
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 2: prove it. And Lennox was like, no, actually, I'm good,

578
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 2: I'm gonna walk away. I mean, I guess in that case,

579
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 2: look at least they fought once and Lenox got the

580
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 2: w so we're not you know what I mean, Like,

581
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 2: this is different than that. There's really few scenarios you

582
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 2: can compare.

583
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 1: To this, because I have one is this is this again?

584
00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 1: We have to see what John does. I'm reacting to

585
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 1: what he said in the interview about what his intentions are.

586
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 1: I take him at his word. Is this somewhere on

587
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 1: par with Riddick Bow chucking the belt in the garbage?

588
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 2: Oh yeah? Oh yeah.

589
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 4: For folks who don't know the scenario, can you walk

590
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 4: them through what happened there?

591
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 2: So Riddick Bow and Lenox Lewis met in the gold

592
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 2: medal match in the nineteen eighty eight Olympics and Lenox

593
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 2: Lewis stopped Riddick Bow tko Win to win the gold medal. So,

594
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 2: while they were rising heavyweights, they were talking a lot

595
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 2: of trash. There was a lot of talk about them

596
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 2: coming together for a unification fight, particularly after Bow won

597
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 2: the title from holy Field and made a couple of defenses.

598
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 2: But I think the holy Field camp, led by controversial

599
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 2: manager Rock Newman, realized what they were up against against

600
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 2: Lennox and realized that they had this short term window

601
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 2: to make a hell of a lot of money being

602
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 2: the heavyweight champion of the world. And I think we

603
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 2: all realize all these years later, they purposely ducked Lenox

604
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 2: by taking the WBC title, throwing in the trash and saying,

605
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 2: you want me to do a mandatory against this guy,

606
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 2: you know, go pick it up out of the trash

607
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 2: and do it yourself. That Hell, yeah, that was a duck,

608
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 2: and it was called that then, but I think it

609
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 2: was almost respected or understood that while it's an outright duck,

610
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 2: they're doing it for financial reasons to avoid the boss

611
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:10,719
Speaker 2: at the end of the video game and keep cashing

612
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 2: out as much as they can. Maybe there was the belief,

613
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 2: rightfully so in Boset camp, that it was going to

614
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 2: be hard to keep him together. Remember how much he

615
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 2: would put on weight between fights, and his discipline was

616
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 2: typically out of control. But this, I don't even think

617
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 2: you compare the scenario to that, Luke. Necessarily, it's a

618
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 2: different spot in their career. I mean, John is trying

619
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 2: to solidify Goat ship. Yet he's outright telling us, yeah,

620
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:34,719
Speaker 2: that guy with the title who I'm supped. I mean,

621
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 2: it's it's bullshit. It is bullshit, and it makes me upset.

622
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 3: Luke.

623
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, again, let's see what he does.

624
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 1: If this is all a ruse and he's going to

625
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 1: give it to the shot to aspinall, then I commend him.

626
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 1: I genuinely do. And I remember what he said when

627
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 1: he came back he was like, I got probably one

628
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 1: or two more, the first one being Stepe A well,

629
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 1: I guess, I guess.

630
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 4: Excuse me.

631
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was before he fought Gone

632
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 1: or after, but it was. You know, generally two ish fights,

633
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 1: give or take at heavyweight. So if he wants to

634
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 1: call it a day after this one, I think it's

635
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 1: kind of shitty for Tom Aspinall. But you know, he

636
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:08,479
Speaker 1: has to live his life how he wants. But if

637
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 1: you continue fighting, I mean, you just gotta be you

638
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 1: gotta be kidding me, you gotta be absolutely funny.

639
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 6: You know.

640
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 2: It makes this so much worse. Twice as worse is

641
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 2: the Ngano situation. Like I get what you're saying. We

642
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 2: can't like outright blame John for not fighting Francis during

643
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 2: that three year window, and then, of course, when Francis

644
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 2: didn't get the contract he wanted, he left suddenly John's back.

645
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 2: But I think because it's not like, you know, beating

646
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 2: Steepe solidifized matters. It's not like even necessarily beating Aspinall

647
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 2: solidifies all man matters. I think because that Francis elephant

648
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 2: is still lingering in the room, it makes it worse.

649
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 2: Luke for John. It makes it look even worse to

650
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 2: be like, we're not even talk about Francis, but this

651
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 2: Aspinaal guy not on my level. Fu, It's twice as bad.

652
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 1: There's nothing redeeming about it. There's nothing redeeming about it.

653
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 1: And again, is the notion of a John versus Poton

654
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 1: fight like a super objectionable No, of course, like by

655
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 1: in a vacuum, it sounds kind of fun, but we've

656
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 1: got a system built that he bought into and is

657
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 1: the top dog in Holy shit, people like, either this

658
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 1: matters or it doesn't. And if you can't do it

659
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 1: even for a heavyweight title unification, oh my god, then

660
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 1: this is just a complete waste of time.

661
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 2: Lukito, Will Dana turn on John if John retires in

662
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 2: the cage or continues to push off Asminaal in favor

663
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 2: of Poton, or do you think Dana will keep up

664
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 2: the rhetoric support John and try to make the Poton

665
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 2: fight happen before aspirinau.

666
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 1: I mean, I think if the choice for Dana is

667
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 1: John is done or John versus Poeton, I honestly think

668
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 1: he probably will try to make the Poton fight, you know,

669
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 1: because it's just like what's their alternative, No money versus

670
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 1: potentially a lot of money. I mean that, I, you know,

671
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: he's a promoter. This is what promoters do. I suspect,

672
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 1: you know, and I you know, maybe I'm wrong, Maybe

673
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 1: he'll stick to his guns. And because he's been kind

674
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 1: of being like, oh yeah, yeah, the winner of this

675
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 1: one's gonna fight aspinall right, he's been saying. Dana's been

676
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 1: saying that I taught you know what, I don't know

677
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 1: what Dana's gonna do. Well, we shall see, we shall

678
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 1: see what he's gonna do. I really don't know. I

679
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 1: really don't know.

680
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 2: Thank you very much for that, Luke. Let's go into

681
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 2: our first topic of the weekend. It's to set the

682
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 2: stage here on this Friday for the one hundredth show

683
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 2: in UFC Apex history. It's a big one, folks. All right,

684
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 2: let's get our top ten pound for pound best fights

685
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 2: in the Apex, or maybe not. Instead, let's preview this

686
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 2: Saturday's main event. It's gonna come down in the welterweight division,

687
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 2: and longtime stalwart veteran all time winning is welterweight Neil

688
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 2: Magni is back. He's ranked number fifteen in the division,

689
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 2: and at thirty seven years old, he's split wins and

690
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 2: losses in his last eight fights. But it seems this

691
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 2: matchup is more about the guy coming up. That's Carlos Prattish,

692
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 2: a knockout machine, a Ricardo Majorga type figure with the

693
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 2: cigarettes and the alcohol and the lifestyle, the swagger. Luke Thomas,

694
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 2: this card knock it on paper. It got worse by

695
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,360
Speaker 2: losing the co main event, but I'm not here to

696
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 2: fully bag main event Neil Magni plus five point fifty

697
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:19,319
Speaker 2: underdog according to DraftKings, Pratish minus eight hundred. When do

698
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 2: you see that in a fight night main event? What

699
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 2: are your thoughts about this matchup heading into Saturday.

700
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 1: I think that there is very good hype around and

701
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 1: again I'm not sure how to say this guy's last name.

702
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 1: I've seen protests, I've seen prochess. I've heard prachesh.

703
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 4: Yes, your wife, Luke, this is Portuguese, my friend.

704
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 1: You don't have to be too silly about it. But

705
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 1: either way, I'm gonna say prochess. I don't know if

706
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 1: it's right. Please forgive me. I've seen a lot of

707
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,280
Speaker 1: buzz on this guy, of which I share a great

708
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 1: deal I think he should win this contest. The odds

709
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 1: seem a little heavy handed, which kind of gets me

710
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 1: to the point I want to make, which was he

711
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 1: has fought good fighters Trevin j Mitch Ramirez, Charles Radkey,

712
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 1: and then most recently the Leach, although there's some big

713
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 1: questions about where the Leech is at these days, and

714
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 1: he was getting tuned up in that contest. For the

715
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 1: most part, he got knocked down three times in that bout.

716
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 1: Listen to this. In all four of his UFC contests

717
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 1: against the Leech, Radkey, Giles, and Ramirez, he scored a

718
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:20,760
Speaker 1: knockdown in every single one. So listen, Southpaw, Multai striker,

719
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 1: fun rangey, deadly, great finisher. He does have statistically some

720
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 1: pretty good takedown defense in terms of his overall percentage

721
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 1: eighty percent. He's got zero percent takedown accuracy, whichcause I

722
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:34,359
Speaker 1: don't think he's even gone for any and if he has,

723
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 1: it's probably half hearted. So what I'm gonna say is

724
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 1: this is a really good fight because Neil Magni, to me,

725
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 1: feels like a good test for the level at which

726
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 1: projest is at, which is clearly good, clearly deadly fantastic, finisher,

727
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 1: but pretty untested against somebody who's got a well rounded

728
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:57,359
Speaker 1: attack and can maybe make him play a little bit

729
00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:59,760
Speaker 1: more of a defensive game for longer stretches of time.

730
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 1: Now Magni is probably pasted it at this point, I

731
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 1: think it's fair to say, but is nevertheless still a

732
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 1: good test because he has a ton of experience. He's

733
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 1: fought and defeated at his peak anyway, better guys, we

734
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:15,399
Speaker 1: think anyway, So this is the kind of opportunity where

735
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:18,359
Speaker 1: protest can really show us potentially like what he's got

736
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 1: going on. Now he could knock out Magni in a round,

737
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 1: in which case we don't really get a great answer.

738
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: But I think what the UFC is looking for is

739
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,359
Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, you can definitely beat a certain classifighter,

740
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 1: no problem, And not that Magni is like a gigantic

741
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:31,359
Speaker 1: step up, but he's the right step up.

742
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 4: It's the right fight to make at the right time.

743
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 1: Whether that should be a UFCAPEX main event maybe a

744
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 1: separate consideration. But I do like the fight. I like

745
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 1: the value that it offers. I like the window into

746
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 1: what we can get from it. It's a good, important fight.

747
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 1: Thumbs up.

748
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Protest as you said, three and zero

749
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 2: in the UFC all with stoppages, had a stoppage win

750
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 2: in his DANEA White Contender Series one, but now he's

751
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:57,319
Speaker 2: at the five round main event level against a guy

752
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 2: with good wrestling and great cardio who could potentially exposed him.

753
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,319
Speaker 2: So I do like the setup on that level of

754
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 2: matchmaking and what we're potentially supposed to learn. So Protest

755
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 2: brings big power, a fun, loose lifestyle, and he has

756
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 2: predicted a knockout in the third or fourth round. And

757
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,320
Speaker 2: Luke I caught up with Neil Magni this week, talking

758
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 2: with the Haitian Sensation for the first time ever as

759
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 2: he joined that red hot YouTube channel that everybody's watching

760
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 2: these days, the damn BCX. Let's hear, thank you, thank

761
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 2: you bank card Bit. Let's hear what good old Magni

762
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 2: had to say about his opponent flawting the ko prediction

763
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 2: went out and saying, yeah, third or fourth round, I'm

764
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 2: gonna finish Magni, do you like it when opponents say

765
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 2: that or you're like, yeah, bring that shit to me.

766
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 2: Let's go.

767
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,760
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, I'm already smiling at it, like, oh yeah,

768
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 7: I'm gonna sends the bart high.

769
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 1: I mean for me, it's like I just love competing.

770
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 7: I mean, I'm a guy to where if I'm driving

771
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 7: to a jam and I'm exiting the highway and I

772
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 7: see what if my training part is exiting a highway

773
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:57,360
Speaker 7: next to me, It's a race.

774
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,319
Speaker 8: Out there competing. So when the guy says like, oh,

775
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 8: I'm gonna go out that I'm going to do this,

776
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 8: I'm like, oh, really, you think it's that easy. Huh,

777
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 8: let's go. I'm glad to and get it done. You

778
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 8: think you get fished me in pourt, I'm gonna get

779
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 8: it done in two.

780
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 1: So just I like it.

781
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 7: I like that comes to Shastra that it brings out

782
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 7: of me, like when the bar is set high and

783
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 7: it's like, all right, cool, go ahead and uh bring

784
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 7: out the best version myself. Give me that motivation I

785
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 7: need to get over the over the edge, the next

786
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 7: hurt or whatever that may be. I'm excited for it.

787
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 2: I know what I'm caping of.

788
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 1: I know what I'm good to go out there do

789
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 1: Saturday night.

790
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 7: So the more pressure that took something to perform, I

791
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 7: love it. I'm gonna shining the book.

792
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 5: I can't wait.

793
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 2: Luke he sounded not only happy uh entering this, you know,

794
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,760
Speaker 2: another main event opportunity, a chance to protect his ranking

795
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:43,359
Speaker 2: against an unranked rising fighter, but he also believes he's

796
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 2: not done, you know, putting forth what could be the

797
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 2: best performances of his career. You can argue against that,

798
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,360
Speaker 2: given his age of thirty seven and the juggling of

799
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:53,839
Speaker 2: wins and losses of late. But at the very least,

800
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,359
Speaker 2: are you saying, from a betting standpoint that if we're

801
00:38:56,400 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 2: gonna give Magni plus five fifty odds here that he's

802
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 2: a live dog entering Saturday.

803
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 1: I mean, that's a better question for Long Island Luke, right,

804
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 1: what do you think? Let's bring him in see what

805
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 1: he says.

806
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not putting my money there, but I

807
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 3: did make an argument for it, and the argument you

808
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 3: guys have already pretty much touched on it. But Magni's

809
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:17,839
Speaker 3: fought five of the current top fifteen, if you want

810
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 3: to go and experienced protest, hasn't fought.

811
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 1: Anyone in the top fifteen.

812
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:25,800
Speaker 3: And a little tidbit, Magni did cash as a plus

813
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 3: three hundred dog in his last fight against Mike Mallot,

814
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 3: So maybe he's gonna do it again.

815
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:33,359
Speaker 1: Maybe he was coming off a loss Magni, Oh, you're right,

816
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 1: sorry in his last win, last win. Yeah, he got

817
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 1: knocked out by Michael Morales in his last But Morales

818
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 1: is a top guy or a top you know, surging,

819
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:42,800
Speaker 1: you know, prospect slash contender at this point.

820
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,439
Speaker 3: So but Protest is, you know, could do the same

821
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 3: exact thing. I'm not putting my money on Magni.

822
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 1: But wow, there go there, you got me. See that's

823
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,879
Speaker 1: a pretty good answer, Like, yeah, for as lopsided as

824
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 1: the odds, it turns out are even our odds and

825
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:00,400
Speaker 1: betting guys kind of like, eh, well.

826
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 2: Luke Protest lives a life that I believe, I want

827
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 2: to speak for you. The South American man lives a

828
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 2: life you can appreciate as a closer a possible vapor.

829
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 2: Somebody put together a music video showing all of his vices,

830
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:18,839
Speaker 2: basically to show that what if Carlos Protest was one

831
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:34,320
Speaker 2: of us? Let's watch this and enjoy it. Look what

832
00:40:34,840 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 2: this man can look? How is this guy not your

833
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 2: favorite fighter?

834
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:09,799
Speaker 1: Seriously he probably needs to be. Although I have to

835
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 1: tell you, like, except for like being an excellent cage fighter,

836
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 1: this is just a normal South American man. I don't

837
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 1: know what to say. They like, this is a very

838
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 1: common life. He's salt of the earth if ever there

839
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 1: was one.

840
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:25,760
Speaker 2: It's like, sir, what are you into? Violence? Bbls, eating steaks,

841
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 2: smoking cigarettes, drinking alcohol.

842
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 4: Dancing, vaping, dancing.

843
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 2: I mean, that's vigorous and reservation.

844
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 4: This guy, I gotta tell you, it sounds like a

845
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 4: pretty great life. Sounds like a pretty great life.

846
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 2: All right. The question here, obviously, in this close up,

847
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:43,839
Speaker 2: this main event opportunity, is how good is prat Ish

848
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 2: Luke From what you've seen in three of UFC fights.

849
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 2: Are there things that are are that are jumping out

850
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 2: a red flags at all? Or are you just seeing

851
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:55,479
Speaker 2: a comfortable, confident, flowing and powerful striker out there.

852
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 4: There are no.

853
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 1: There. I have not seen red flags when I watch

854
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 1: his fights. That's not really the way I would put it.

855
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 1: What I would say is I think some of the

856
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 1: hype around him, because I feel like fans are like

857
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 1: desperate for a breakout star and there's some emerging right,

858
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 1: you know. But what I'm going to say is I

859
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 1: feel like some of the enthusiasm, some of the enthusiasm

860
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 1: around him has outpaced where he actually is in terms

861
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 1: of what he's accomplished, but what he's accomplished looks good

862
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 1: and seems promising. It's why this fight against Magni to

863
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 1: me is actually like, okay, now we're going to get

864
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 1: a better look. Magni is flawed and older, and there's

865
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,879
Speaker 1: tons of problems, but in certain kinds of ways, could

866
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:43,240
Speaker 1: really give us a sense of you know, Mike Mallott

867
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 1: couldn't pass that test, and then look how he looked

868
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:47,800
Speaker 1: in his last fight against Trevin Giles. It was, you know,

869
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:49,799
Speaker 1: it felt like he was barely there, but then the

870
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 1: guy like Michael Morales passed it no problem. It's a

871
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 1: great kind of test to see exactly where projest is

872
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:58,839
Speaker 1: at the moment, and it gives you, I think, some

873
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:02,360
Speaker 1: indication of the upside. If he struggles but wins, that's good,

874
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 1: but should you know, maybe damp Tampa down some of

875
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 1: the enthusiasm. But if he goes in there and gets

876
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 1: tested a little bit and then passes that no problem,

877
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 1: finishes them off and looks awesome, I think at that

878
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 1: point you can be allowed to have a great degree

879
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 1: of enthusiasm about his future. It's just we just haven't

880
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:20,839
Speaker 1: quite seen enough of it for me to be like, oh,

881
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 1: all of this confidence seems totally evidence based. Some of

882
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:26,399
Speaker 1: it does, some of it seems to be a little

883
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 1: bit early. Let's see if he can fulfill it.

884
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:30,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd like to see this go to the championship rounds.

885
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 2: I mean, no championship at stake, but you get what

886
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 2: I'm saying here. I'd like to see us learn a

887
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 2: little bit more. Then again, if you go in there

888
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 2: and dust off a durable guy like Magni early, that

889
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:43,760
Speaker 2: will tell us even more in another direction. But interesting

890
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 2: main event. I am looking forward to it. But look,

891
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:48,919
Speaker 2: this card did take that big hit when the Cole

892
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 2: main event, or you can argue it's a big hit

893
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 2: given that Cody Garbrent's stance on top as a former

894
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:57,359
Speaker 2: champion kind of continues to fade, considering he's lost six

895
00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 2: of his last nine and now appears to have pulled

896
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 2: out in two consecutive fights. Was supposed to be facing

897
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:08,359
Speaker 2: rising prospect Miles John. John's John's John's John. Why can't

898
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 2: I get that right?

899
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 6: Loo?

900
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 2: Because it Miles John.

901
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 3: Right John's earl, Miles John.

902
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 2: Thank you, Miles John's thank you. Luke nocita. So, Luke Thomas,

903
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 2: we didn't really get like the reason the medical issue.

904
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 2: Are you concerned that we're nearing the end at all

905
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 2: of the Cody Garbrant experience? What does this this tell you?

906
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 1: Well, the experience in terms of what he used to

907
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 1: provide has been over for quite some time. So do

908
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 1: you mean, like as a guy who is active in

909
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 1: winning or losing?

910
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 9: Yeah?

911
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 2: I mean like, is he closing out his career here

912
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 2: with two pullouts and losing six of nine? Are we like,

913
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 2: are we close to the end or because his age

914
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 2: is what thirty I mean thirty two something like.

915
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 1: That long island, Luke, can you look up Cody Garbrand's

916
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 1: age for us very quickly in terms of being a

917
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 1: guy who okay, so a couple of things. Remember he

918
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 1: had that real bad bout of verdict some years ago.

919
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's recurring. I don't know if

920
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 1: it's another medical ailment. So without really knowing what the

921
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:08,320
Speaker 1: medical ailment is, because that could dictate his future, what

922
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 1: do you got three thirty three? Without without knowing what

923
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 1: the medical ailment is and what that portends for his future,

924
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 1: it's hard to say. Assuming that that is not going

925
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 1: to disqualify him from competition. I think we'll go back

926
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 1: in there and win or lose some more. I don't

927
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 1: think he's done in that sense. But you know, when

928
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 1: people say, are the Cody Garbett experience, I'm like, you

929
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 1: mean the guy who was like a top contender slash

930
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 1: champion like that is over? Yeah, that's but that's been

931
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:34,399
Speaker 1: over for a little while. That's not new.

932
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 2: Yeah. I hate to see this for Cody. I mean,

933
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 2: I'd hate to see another loss just the same. But

934
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 2: it's just it's puzzling that he never could put it

935
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:43,799
Speaker 2: back together. I mean, had that one punch knockout that

936
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 2: one time where it looked like he was turning back

937
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:47,800
Speaker 2: time and kind of figuring out who he was again.

938
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 2: If this goes the distance Luke and that, and you

939
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 2: know he has a barrow like ending a Johnny Hendricks,

940
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 2: like Cliff Fall. I hate when that happens. So bright

941
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:02,359
Speaker 2: so the pot for this guy. He did get lured

942
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 2: into unnecessary wars with Dilla Shaw that saw him lost

943
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 2: the title and lose the rematch. I don't know. I

944
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 2: don't want to say it wasn't discipline. I mean, he

945
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:14,720
Speaker 2: had so many injuries and illnesses. But I mean, remember

946
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:16,720
Speaker 2: who he was that night against Tom Cruise.

947
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 4: That was one that's one of the that's one of

948
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 4: the most amazing. How do you classify that?

949
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:24,880
Speaker 1: Like I saw it, For example, I saw this video

950
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 1: circulate the other day and it was Dom Cruise as

951
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 1: champion taunting Uriah Faber about something marginal like either what

952
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 1: he was wearing or how he looked, you know, something.

953
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 4: Like very schoolyard.

954
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 1: But it, you know, it was effective, like it had

955
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 1: it had a you know, noticeable impact. And I was

956
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 1: just trying to tell people, like, man, if you missed

957
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 1: the days when Dom Cruse was like not just the

958
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:53,760
Speaker 1: guy who beat Team Malfolmill guys, do he tormented that team,

959
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 1: tormented them, tore them up in interviews, obviously beat all

960
00:46:58,000 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 1: of their fighters for a time, you know what I mean,

961
00:46:59,920 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 1: Like just was a guy who was all over them

962
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:03,880
Speaker 1: and they couldn't do anything about it. And then all

963
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 1: of a sudden, here comes Cody Garbrandt and he like

964
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:08,879
Speaker 1: breaks the spell. And as he breaks it, he does

965
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 1: it with like style and you know, wisdom and great ability,

966
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:18,240
Speaker 1: and I mean just you know, looked a million bucks

967
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 1: on that night and it was a totally deserved victory.

968
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 1: There's nothing you could say about it like that is

969
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:26,400
Speaker 1: such a monumental getting over the hump moment for that

970
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:29,239
Speaker 1: team and obviously for that guy individually. You know, I

971
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 1: don't know how many times you can capture lightning in

972
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 1: a bottle like that, Like that's pretty rare. But but

973
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:37,839
Speaker 1: he had it, to your point, BC, that night, a

974
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:39,879
Speaker 1: man in full like that was.

975
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 4: A huge, huge victory.

976
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was the man in the arena that night.

977
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:47,359
Speaker 2: He did the damn robot while he was winning. I mean,

978
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 2: it was insane. But let's get out to fights that

979
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:52,319
Speaker 2: will happen. We thought our dr who will get to

980
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:54,760
Speaker 2: in a second would be the bump up Colemane. Turns

981
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 2: out UFC has instead chosen a bandamweight till matching Ricky

982
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 2: Tercios to plus two eighty underdog plus two eighty as

983
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:05,880
Speaker 2: he takes on Bernardo so paj Is that how I

984
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:06,360
Speaker 2: pronounced that?

985
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 4: Luke, I don't know, so Pie. I'm not sure.

986
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 2: Well, this man, so Pie is a minus three p

987
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 2: fifty five favorite, despite having lost in May on that

988
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 2: flying knee from Venisius. There, Luke, are you at odds

989
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:22,279
Speaker 2: with the odds here? Or are you comfortable with this?

990
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 1: I don't care really either way.

991
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 2: You know, all right, Long Island. Look it tell us

992
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 2: why we need to care about this place, because yeah.

993
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:32,399
Speaker 3: You do need to care about this because I'm taking

994
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 3: Ricky Tercio's I got him at plus two thirty, so

995
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 3: it's gone all the way up to plus two eighty,

996
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 3: so you could get him way better.

997
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:38,319
Speaker 9: Now.

998
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 3: It's a tough vet. His only two losses in the

999
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 3: UFC came to I'man Zahabi who's on like a five

1000
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:46,840
Speaker 3: fight win streak, and Raoul Rosas Junior, who looks pretty

1001
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:51,360
Speaker 3: damn good. So pi PC just mentioned lost hiss UFC debut.

1002
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:53,840
Speaker 3: I mean, why are we trusting this guy? Why is

1003
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 3: he a minus three hundred five.

1004
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't understand that.

1005
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 2: I mean, he was a finisher in the on the

1006
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 2: regional scene, but I don't get necessarily being a nearly

1007
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 2: four to one favorite against a battle tested dude. But

1008
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 2: I guess we'll see what happens here in the bandonmweight division. Luke,

1009
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 2: I could tell by the look in your face and

1010
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 2: your general demeanor that, uh, you're much more interested in

1011
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:18,320
Speaker 2: what we're gonna see from former two Division one Championship

1012
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 2: champion Renier de Ritter, who's going to make his UFCWU

1013
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 2: and oh, by the way, going to make a true

1014
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 2: cut down to one eighty five today for the first

1015
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:32,800
Speaker 2: time in six years. Let's not forget as middleweight champion

1016
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 2: and one he was basically a light heavyweight due to

1017
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 2: the rehydration. He says, quote, I should be fine when

1018
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 2: it comes to that weight cut. But he's got a

1019
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:44,319
Speaker 2: good hard out here in Gerald Mehershart. The odds are

1020
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 2: telling you plus two sixty is Mehershart according to DraftKings

1021
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 2: minus three twenty five for our Dr Luke, what are

1022
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:56,240
Speaker 2: your expectations for Derittter in this UFC debut?

1023
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:57,399
Speaker 4: I love this fight.

1024
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 1: Such a great fight, great matchman. This is fun. This

1025
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:05,799
Speaker 1: is really fun. GM three has proven to be a

1026
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:09,239
Speaker 1: real submission force, uh in the middleweight division. You know,

1027
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:10,920
Speaker 1: he's been up, he's been down, but I think he's

1028
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 1: gotten pretty good, very good actually over time. I think

1029
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 1: his submission prowess. You talk to people who you know

1030
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:20,480
Speaker 1: are black belts or you know, high level grappling competitors,

1031
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:22,959
Speaker 1: and they point to this guy. GM three is having

1032
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:27,799
Speaker 1: like a real smooth technical technically sound, solid game, right,

1033
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 1: you just gotta love it, Like, there's so much about

1034
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:31,760
Speaker 1: him that I really admire.

1035
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:33,799
Speaker 4: And then here comes Rnier to Ritter, who I.

1036
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:37,320
Speaker 1: Think doesn't quite have that same He's got good fundamentals.

1037
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:38,759
Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying he's like some

1038
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:42,279
Speaker 1: you know, poorly put together submission artists, but I think

1039
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:43,440
Speaker 1: I would call him a little bit more of a

1040
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:45,360
Speaker 1: risk taker, a little bit more of an innovator, a

1041
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 1: little bit more of a guy who's willing to try

1042
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:50,240
Speaker 1: some low percentage stuff. And by the way, I'm always

1043
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:51,839
Speaker 1: gonna have a soft spot in my heart for guys

1044
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 1: who can play guard, Guys like Paul Craig. I don't

1045
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 1: think he's gonna beat bon Nickel next week, but you

1046
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:57,840
Speaker 1: gotta love it. How about Charles Wolavera a guard player.

1047
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:00,399
Speaker 1: Niered Rider can also play guard pretty well. In fact,

1048
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:04,440
Speaker 1: has some interesting finishes from guard in one the Vitality

1049
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 1: Big Dash fight in particular is one of my favorites.

1050
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 1: So like, you've got this interesting clash. My thing for

1051
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 1: me is is GM three gonna be one of the

1052
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 1: guys who wants to dictate the grappling terms or does

1053
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 1: he want to keep it standing because I have a

1054
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 1: feeling that Deritter is probably Derider can handle himself on

1055
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 1: the on the feet.

1056
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:23,360
Speaker 4: I think that's fair.

1057
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:26,360
Speaker 1: Although as you saw against Antoony Mallikin, who's a different beast,

1058
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 1: he was really overwhelmed. So this one, to me is

1059
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 1: actually something of a mystery, something kind of intriguing. How

1060
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:35,760
Speaker 1: are their styles gonna get put together? Two submission aces,

1061
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 1: but two very different styles in approaching that. Two guys

1062
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 1: who are you know, respectable on the feet, but that's

1063
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:43,240
Speaker 1: probably not their best way to get the fight finished.

1064
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:45,400
Speaker 4: And so where's this all gonna end up?

1065
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 1: How's it going to go? It's honestly pretty, I want

1066
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 1: to say, like, you know, hugely mysterious, but this genuine

1067
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 1: mystery here.

1068
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 2: I love it.

1069
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 4: I love this fight. This fight is great, doubt.

1070
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 2: I love Meyer sharks mustache. I love that at thirty

1071
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 2: six you can look at the thirty seven and seventeen

1072
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 2: records and maybe not think much, but not only is

1073
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:04,719
Speaker 2: he riding the two fight win streak coming off of

1074
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:06,719
Speaker 2: a two fight losing streak before that, which has kind

1075
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 2: of been the tune of his career. Look, his last

1076
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 2: nine victories are by submission and he hasn't had a

1077
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 2: win go the distance since twenty thirteen, so this is

1078
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:19,439
Speaker 2: a guy that goes for the finish, can take big

1079
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:22,840
Speaker 2: punishment to Paul Craig comparison. In that case, although you

1080
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 2: were making the comparison to RDR, you can make the

1081
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 2: comparison here that he's dangerous even when he's losing the fight.

1082
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:31,080
Speaker 2: I love this is the perfect test for RDR. But

1083
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:33,920
Speaker 2: der Ritter during media day this week kind of came

1084
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:35,799
Speaker 2: out and said, look, I respect this guy. It's gonna

1085
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 2: be a tough challenge, but I think I need a finish.

1086
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 1: Let's hear him to be honest.

1087
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 6: If I can ever get close to one of the

1088
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:49,239
Speaker 6: records he holds, it would be amazing, so cool to

1089
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 6: see him fight. I've always watched his fights and this

1090
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:54,120
Speaker 6: is a great thing as well. For his fight does

1091
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:56,480
Speaker 6: so much stape to study, He has so much fights.

1092
00:52:57,320 --> 00:53:04,360
Speaker 6: He has a really typical style. Ways he finishes fights

1093
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:10,280
Speaker 6: are very typically. A few things that is very dangerous

1094
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 6: at He has a few things he does which I

1095
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:18,719
Speaker 6: think I can really capitalize on as well. But it's

1096
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:21,520
Speaker 6: a great matchup. I'm very happy that they've given me

1097
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:27,240
Speaker 6: him for my first fight as he is a veteran,

1098
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:29,399
Speaker 6: he's a real name, and I think if I can

1099
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:32,960
Speaker 6: really put a stamp on this one, I can start

1100
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 6: I have some leverage to start calling out some bigger names.

1101
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:37,759
Speaker 2: Is any win a good win or do you really

1102
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 2: want to go out there and have a nice, flashy,

1103
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:42,720
Speaker 2: emphatic finish or a big win to make your splash

1104
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:43,360
Speaker 2: into the UFC.

1105
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:46,000
Speaker 6: Nah, win is not enough in this one. The top

1106
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:48,719
Speaker 6: dogs finished gerald and I want to prove on one

1107
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 6: of them.

1108
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 2: So yeah, Luke Thomas. In that same interview, RDR would

1109
00:53:57,719 --> 00:53:59,720
Speaker 2: go on to say he wouldn't mind fighting Bo Nickel

1110
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 2: if you can get a finish here and make a

1111
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:05,759
Speaker 2: big statement. I want to gauge your your reaction to

1112
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:08,520
Speaker 2: the video, of course, but also do you have any

1113
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:12,000
Speaker 2: fears about RDR striking and whether it truly is at

1114
00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:15,759
Speaker 2: the UFC top fifteen elite level here at middleweight or

1115
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:17,719
Speaker 2: will that not matter giving his ground game?

1116
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 1: Uh No, it's a central question. It's a central question.

1117
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 1: We really don't have a great answer for it. Again,

1118
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 1: being overwhelmed by Mallikin doesn't tell you much, and then

1119
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:29,759
Speaker 1: beating some of the other guys in one who were

1120
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:33,840
Speaker 1: good but also not great tests in that way. It's

1121
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:35,759
Speaker 1: you're gonna get guys who I think are gonna have

1122
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 1: much more sound striking, modern best practices a little bit

1123
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:40,920
Speaker 1: at a higher level.

1124
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 4: So it's a great test for RDR.

1125
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:44,240
Speaker 1: I think he can beat guys in the top fifteen,

1126
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 1: no question about it. It's just can he put it

1127
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:50,160
Speaker 1: all together in a coherent game plan, you know? And

1128
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:53,240
Speaker 1: I've seen folks being like, oh, this fight doesn't belong

1129
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:56,240
Speaker 1: on you know, the the apex, and I'm like, well,

1130
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:59,080
Speaker 1: that's probably true, right the man you got a big

1131
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:02,839
Speaker 1: free agent signing. Putting that on a bigger card would

1132
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:05,560
Speaker 1: have been would have been nicer. However, at the same time,

1133
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:08,480
Speaker 1: I actually feel like you've got some potential with RDR

1134
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:10,920
Speaker 1: to be something special. Giving him a bit of a

1135
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 1: soft opening, so to speak, like I think when they

1136
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:16,320
Speaker 1: open a restaurant, giving him a saw. Not an easy opponent,

1137
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:19,120
Speaker 1: but I mean, you're you don't have all this tons

1138
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 1: of media, you don't have a huge crowd, you got

1139
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:23,400
Speaker 1: you can really just focus on the bout itself. I

1140
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:25,239
Speaker 1: actually think we'll give him a great chance to see

1141
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 1: where he's at GM three, a perfect, perfect fight to

1142
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:30,799
Speaker 1: see where we are. The questions you're asking are like

1143
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:32,960
Speaker 1: the most important ones. We just don't have the answers

1144
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 1: to him yet, so we'll have to see.

1145
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 2: I can't wait to find that out. I want to

1146
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 2: bring back in Long Island Luke before I drop any

1147
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:41,400
Speaker 2: unnecessary doogies on this card, So Long Island Luke with

1148
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 2: a questionable main event meaning not a bad fight, but

1149
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:48,720
Speaker 2: questionable as a main event spot and losing Cody Garbrandt

1150
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:52,760
Speaker 2: despite the RDR storyline. I'm like, damn, this is slim pickens.

1151
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 2: But I've seen a bunch of hardcorees on X BE Like, now, man,

1152
00:55:56,719 --> 00:55:59,440
Speaker 2: this card's sneaky good. Settle this for us.

1153
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:02,920
Speaker 3: I don't know who's saying it sneaky good. I'm looking

1154
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:04,760
Speaker 3: at it. I'm looking at the top to the bottom

1155
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:06,840
Speaker 3: right now. Like, there's a few names you recognize, you know,

1156
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:10,319
Speaker 3: Cody Stamen taking on Demand Black Sheer, Like, okay, that

1157
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:13,360
Speaker 3: probably goes the distance, though it's probably not a great fight. Uh,

1158
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:16,880
Speaker 3: you got Trey Shawn Gore coming back, I mean cool,

1159
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 3: Charles Radkey. I think you guys mentioned him earlier or no,

1160
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:23,919
Speaker 3: you mentioned him fighting protest. Yeah, dude, there's really nothing

1161
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:27,560
Speaker 3: of Gillian Robertson against Luana Pinero. If you're into that, all.

1162
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:29,600
Speaker 2: Right, Big Luke, it seems like that Long Island Luke's

1163
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:31,359
Speaker 2: telling us there's a bag of dicks on this card.

1164
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:33,719
Speaker 2: Are you reaching your hand into that bag at all?

1165
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:34,480
Speaker 1: For any reason?

1166
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 2: Here? Are you?

1167
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 1: He just told you to fuck off? I mean that's

1168
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 1: what he did.

1169
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 2: Who Long Island Luke?

1170
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:46,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, I was asking he was asking you, Luke.

1171
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 3: He wasn't asking you.

1172
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:49,080
Speaker 1: Oh well, then I'm telling you to fuck off?

1173
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, Big Luke was sorry.

1174
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:55,080
Speaker 4: I misunderstood. I misunderstood who you were. I apologize. I

1175
00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:55,800
Speaker 4: apologize you.

1176
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:57,879
Speaker 2: Any hardcore selections for us, Luke?

1177
00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:00,879
Speaker 4: So Antonio Tricoli fresh off being a is on this car.

1178
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:04,239
Speaker 4: That's fun. Mackenzie derns Man, right, yeah, that's her husband.

1179
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 1: I believe.

1180
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:08,080
Speaker 2: I believe he got into an altercation with Wesley her ex.

1181
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:08,760
Speaker 2: Is that correct?

1182
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:11,840
Speaker 4: That that is what is alleged. That is what is alleged.

1183
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:14,439
Speaker 4: Cody Staman taking on Demon Black, sheear.

1184
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 1: I like it. I like Cody Staman. I think he's

1185
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:21,720
Speaker 1: a good fighter. I don't hate Caroly nicoleple Cavis taking

1186
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 1: on Denise Gomes.

1187
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 4: It's kind of fun.

1188
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, den Denise say.

1189
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, Denise say sorry, you're right, You're right, Yeah,

1190
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:29,240
Speaker 4: I apologize.

1191
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:32,040
Speaker 2: Protect Brasilience. They're South American too, Luke, Okay.

1192
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:34,040
Speaker 4: You're you're very right. You're very right. I apologize.

1193
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 1: But the one that's kind of interesting is the dream Killer,

1194
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:39,240
Speaker 1: Gaston Bolanos, taken on Cortavius Romius, which is a hell

1195
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:41,840
Speaker 1: of a name, by the way, Cortavius Romius, it's a

1196
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:44,479
Speaker 1: fun ass name to say. That's a fun one as well.

1197
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:47,480
Speaker 1: But Bolanos, former Bell Tour fighter, obviously got a background

1198
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 1: in kickboxing. He's had some incredible knockouts, but I think

1199
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:52,280
Speaker 1: has been kind of up and down for the most

1200
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 1: part of the last couple of years, but still capable

1201
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:58,280
Speaker 1: of producing a lot of fun and Romius is kind

1202
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:00,240
Speaker 1: of I think there for that kind of an opportunity

1203
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:03,760
Speaker 1: as well. That should be an interesting kind of that's

1204
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:05,360
Speaker 1: gonna be dynamite as long as it lasts, is the

1205
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:06,080
Speaker 1: way I would put that.

1206
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:08,600
Speaker 2: All right, you can check that out Saturday at the

1207
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:12,120
Speaker 2: Damn Apex. Number one hundred coming your way, Luke, Topic

1208
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 2: number two here as we continue. It's tonight eight pm

1209
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:20,600
Speaker 2: Eastern Time, airing live on Prime video. It's one one

1210
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:24,200
Speaker 2: sixty nine as one Championship, not in Atlanta. They switched

1211
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:26,560
Speaker 2: it up there in Bangkok, and it's going to be

1212
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:32,360
Speaker 2: a heavyweight championship main event. Anatotally Mallikin making moves at

1213
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:35,080
Speaker 2: age thirty six, becoming in a lot of ways, the

1214
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:37,920
Speaker 2: face of one. He's gonna be in a very interesting

1215
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:42,640
Speaker 2: fight with Umar Kine aka Rogue Rouge Luke. Let's go

1216
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 2: to the videotape of them shoving each other after the

1217
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:49,800
Speaker 2: press conference. I'm feeling old school fun pride vibes with

1218
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:51,720
Speaker 2: this fight. Are you feeling something similar?

1219
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:52,600
Speaker 3: You're gonna.

1220
00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:06,400
Speaker 10: These ones head shot three day one shot, guys, you

1221
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:09,080
Speaker 10: gonna shot, but you gotta see.

1222
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:36,840
Speaker 11: Hey, you gotta see I see you, gotta see you

1223
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:38,960
Speaker 11: gotta see you see.

1224
00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:45,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, let's go see.

1225
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:49,240
Speaker 2: No no, sorry, ELTI that was the wrong video that

1226
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:52,040
Speaker 2: was in the hotel lobby where they got into it again.

1227
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:54,720
Speaker 2: But I mean that that old Japanese feeling of like

1228
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:58,120
Speaker 2: large man taking on fellow large man. Maybe the other

1229
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:00,920
Speaker 2: large man isn't a skilled but let's just bob sapit.

1230
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:02,600
Speaker 2: I love this fight for that reason.

1231
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:04,240
Speaker 1: This fight is fun.

1232
01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:07,320
Speaker 4: It's absolutely kind of fun. Listen.

1233
01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:10,840
Speaker 1: There's questions about, like, who's the toughest fight out there

1234
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:12,960
Speaker 1: for Francis if he was like to be able to

1235
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:16,640
Speaker 1: get anyone obviously not in the UFC, and and an'totly

1236
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:18,880
Speaker 1: Mallekin's gotta be I know, you know you could, you

1237
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:21,480
Speaker 1: could go with deem Neimkov, but I mean, among like

1238
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:26,480
Speaker 1: good heavyweights, Mallakin is at or close to the top

1239
01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:28,360
Speaker 1: of that list. I think it'd be really, really fun,

1240
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:29,520
Speaker 1: and I think he's a fun guy.

1241
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:31,200
Speaker 4: Rug rug is a.

1242
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:34,360
Speaker 1: Very fun guy to watch, but deeply flawed. So I

1243
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:38,000
Speaker 1: would be very surprised if Malikin lost, But they're doing

1244
01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:40,840
Speaker 1: their best to sell it. It's not gonna be un

1245
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:44,720
Speaker 1: fun to watch. It will be spectacular. I suppose Rugrou

1246
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:47,720
Speaker 1: could win. It's unlikely, but he could, so take it

1247
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:51,200
Speaker 1: for what it is. It's the best that I think

1248
01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:55,640
Speaker 1: one could do with a heavyweight fight, and with a

1249
01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:58,520
Speaker 1: guy who's a triple champ in that organization. It's a

1250
01:00:58,600 --> 01:00:59,880
Speaker 1: very it's very much you know what it feels like,

1251
01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:02,000
Speaker 1: you kind of liking it to the circus, But it's

1252
01:01:02,080 --> 01:01:05,200
Speaker 1: also like pride in a different way where people would

1253
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:08,000
Speaker 1: go through like Fador's record and they'd be like, Okay,

1254
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:10,720
Speaker 1: he beat Nogera, but then he beat like Noi Ogwa,

1255
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:14,400
Speaker 1: and I'm like, well, Ogwa was a silver medallist in

1256
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:17,320
Speaker 1: the Olympics, so that's not quite right. But I know

1257
01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:19,560
Speaker 1: what they're saying. They're saying, hey, he's got like a

1258
01:01:19,640 --> 01:01:21,920
Speaker 1: bunch of tough guys and then some gimmes. But the

1259
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:25,440
Speaker 1: reality is all those gimme fights made Fador a bigger fighter.

1260
01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:28,120
Speaker 1: It made him a bigger attraction, and I think that's

1261
01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:30,320
Speaker 1: what one is trying to do here with Anatoli Mallakin.

1262
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:31,760
Speaker 4: It makes sense. I totally get it.

1263
01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:32,640
Speaker 11: You know.

1264
01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:35,320
Speaker 1: Is it the most important fight ever? No, But it's fun,

1265
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:36,520
Speaker 1: it's interesting, it should be cool.

1266
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:39,280
Speaker 2: The odds not every book is giving this, but the

1267
01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:42,600
Speaker 2: odds are usually around minus one thousand for Malacan, about

1268
01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:46,200
Speaker 2: plus five or five point fifty for umar Kane as

1269
01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:49,760
Speaker 2: the underdog. So, Luke, it's not impossible that Rugrug pulls

1270
01:01:50,080 --> 01:01:52,960
Speaker 2: the upset here, But how would he do it? Given

1271
01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:55,920
Speaker 2: his skills being limited compared to the champion.

1272
01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:58,360
Speaker 1: He's gonna have to stop the takedown, which I think

1273
01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:01,240
Speaker 1: Malican's gonna be able to get again. Granted he was

1274
01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:03,360
Speaker 1: able to do that to an extent against bj Shaw,

1275
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:06,600
Speaker 1: although even then not really. But he'll have to land

1276
01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:09,040
Speaker 1: a big shot after stuffing a takedown. That's really all

1277
01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:10,360
Speaker 1: it's going to come down to. But you know, his

1278
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:12,040
Speaker 1: gas tank I think is going to be the death

1279
01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:13,600
Speaker 1: of him here. Not literally obviously, but.

1280
01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:15,720
Speaker 2: But if he gets top position on the ground, can

1281
01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:17,680
Speaker 2: we see the CHAMPI in trouble this?

1282
01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:22,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, Rugrok's a big, strong athlete, Like absolutely.

1283
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:23,720
Speaker 4: That's kind of the fun of it. It's like he's

1284
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:25,919
Speaker 4: got a narrow shot, but that narrow shot is still

1285
01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:26,720
Speaker 4: pretty dangerous.

1286
01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:29,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, what happens, It definitely is let's go to that

1287
01:02:29,640 --> 01:02:32,240
Speaker 2: comin event. A little bit of controversy coming out here

1288
01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:34,320
Speaker 2: in favor of rod Tang. He was supposed to defend

1289
01:02:34,360 --> 01:02:37,640
Speaker 2: his one flyweight mouy Thaie belt in a rematch with

1290
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:42,520
Speaker 2: Jacob Smith. Unfortunately for rod Tang, he badly missed weight.

1291
01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:45,680
Speaker 2: They did ultimately agree to a one hundred and thirty

1292
01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:49,960
Speaker 2: five and a half pound catchwaight. Rod Tang must pay

1293
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:53,280
Speaker 2: excuse me, a percentage of his purse over to Smith.

1294
01:02:54,040 --> 01:02:56,640
Speaker 2: But as we're seeing here the failed attempts, I want

1295
01:02:56,640 --> 01:02:59,800
Speaker 2: to read you a tweet from one championships. Liam Harrison

1296
01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:02,760
Speaker 2: who said, how many times has Rod Tang missed weight?

1297
01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:03,000
Speaker 1: Now?

1298
01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:06,320
Speaker 2: This must be about five or something. The highest paid

1299
01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:09,320
Speaker 2: multi fighter in history, and this is how he behaves.

1300
01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:12,960
Speaker 2: He's absolutely loaded. Why not get our nutritionist? Clearly he

1301
01:03:13,080 --> 01:03:15,880
Speaker 2: just doesn't care at all. It's actually quite sickening for

1302
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:18,360
Speaker 2: fighters who come and fight hard every time and hit

1303
01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:21,440
Speaker 2: weight and do everything right but get baid twenty times

1304
01:03:21,560 --> 01:03:24,640
Speaker 2: less end quote that was Liam Harrison. Luke, is that

1305
01:03:25,160 --> 01:03:28,280
Speaker 2: a justified stance considering this is not Rod Tank's first

1306
01:03:28,360 --> 01:03:29,479
Speaker 2: time having this happen.

1307
01:03:29,680 --> 01:03:31,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's pretty fair. The guy gets paid well, all

1308
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:34,520
Speaker 1: things being what they are. He has missed weight now

1309
01:03:34,680 --> 01:03:39,040
Speaker 1: multiple times. He's advanced in his career. He should know

1310
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:41,240
Speaker 1: what it takes in order for him to make the weight,

1311
01:03:41,360 --> 01:03:43,840
Speaker 1: and he still can't seem to do it. I understand

1312
01:03:43,880 --> 01:03:46,480
Speaker 1: that one puts extra complications in there, both with hydration

1313
01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:49,680
Speaker 1: and weight itself, but b see, if you're this far

1314
01:03:49,800 --> 01:03:52,720
Speaker 1: along in your career and you're this well capitalized again

1315
01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:56,120
Speaker 1: relatively speaking, what would be the excuse other than you're injured?

1316
01:03:56,240 --> 01:03:57,880
Speaker 1: Is he fighting injured? Okay, I guess that could be

1317
01:03:57,920 --> 01:04:00,440
Speaker 1: an excuse. You can't do the roadwork or whatever. But

1318
01:04:02,680 --> 01:04:04,440
Speaker 1: we're just we're just so far past that, you know

1319
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:06,360
Speaker 1: what I mean. And by the way, we'll get to

1320
01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:09,000
Speaker 1: this not the worst weight miss I've seen all weekend.

1321
01:04:09,120 --> 01:04:11,840
Speaker 1: For the fights that are happening today, there's one that

1322
01:04:11,880 --> 01:04:13,560
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about in a minute that is actually

1323
01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:16,600
Speaker 1: way worse than this one. But again, that guy we're

1324
01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:19,240
Speaker 1: gonna talk about not really as senior as raw Tang

1325
01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:21,160
Speaker 1: is in terms of how far along in his career.

1326
01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:23,920
Speaker 1: I just don't have any sympathy for You know, your body,

1327
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:25,720
Speaker 1: you know how to do this, You've done it before,

1328
01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:29,240
Speaker 1: you have the money to make it happen. You gotta

1329
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:30,680
Speaker 1: do it. This is obvious.

1330
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:33,600
Speaker 2: Row Tang cannot win that title at age twenty seven.

1331
01:04:33,640 --> 01:04:36,560
Speaker 2: Here Jacob Smith can luke their first fight. I didn't

1332
01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:39,960
Speaker 2: see it, but I hear it was a memorable absolute

1333
01:04:40,040 --> 01:04:42,640
Speaker 2: war from twenty twenty two. Do you care at all

1334
01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:44,560
Speaker 2: about this matchup or is it more just hey, let's

1335
01:04:44,560 --> 01:04:45,760
Speaker 2: watch Rod Tang bang.

1336
01:04:46,760 --> 01:04:49,640
Speaker 4: Again kickboxing for me? And this is, you know, just

1337
01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:50,200
Speaker 4: the reality.

1338
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:53,240
Speaker 1: It's not the strongest suit or even the most like

1339
01:04:54,560 --> 01:04:56,640
Speaker 1: It's not my passion to watch. I do like it,

1340
01:04:56,720 --> 01:04:58,680
Speaker 1: I respect it. I have not one bad thing to

1341
01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:01,560
Speaker 1: say about it. It just doesn't uh, Given I have

1342
01:05:01,640 --> 01:05:04,760
Speaker 1: one hundred attention dollars to spend every day, I kind

1343
01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:06,320
Speaker 1: of have to spend it more on MMA and boxing

1344
01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:08,320
Speaker 1: and then to an extent wrestling in jiu jitsu. So

1345
01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:10,000
Speaker 1: it just kind of gets put on the back burner.

1346
01:05:10,120 --> 01:05:13,120
Speaker 1: But of course, like Ra Tang is in a now,

1347
01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:14,680
Speaker 1: his back is up against the wall because of the

1348
01:05:14,680 --> 01:05:17,080
Speaker 1: weight miss. But more than that, it's a rematch. He's

1349
01:05:17,360 --> 01:05:20,080
Speaker 1: quite exciting, he has a fan friendly style. There's a

1350
01:05:20,120 --> 01:05:22,040
Speaker 1: lot to like here. I just don't have a great

1351
01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:24,800
Speaker 1: degree of investment in it, but I don't have it again,

1352
01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:25,920
Speaker 1: there's nothing bad to say about it.

1353
01:05:26,240 --> 01:05:29,120
Speaker 2: Well, with Dimitrius Johnson gone now his rival Adriana mo

1354
01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:31,920
Speaker 2: Reish will take on Danny Kiningad and a number two

1355
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:34,840
Speaker 2: versus number two three flyweightout and look, we're gonna get

1356
01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:38,560
Speaker 2: Kid Rotolo continuing this MMA turnover here at lightweight as

1357
01:05:38,560 --> 01:05:42,720
Speaker 2: he takes on Ahmed Mutaba. What are your expectations at

1358
01:05:42,760 --> 01:05:46,120
Speaker 2: this point for how Big Kid can get inside of

1359
01:05:46,320 --> 01:05:51,120
Speaker 2: MMA and is this like a attraction type situation or

1360
01:05:51,240 --> 01:05:55,120
Speaker 2: do you see him challenging for one championships real MMA

1361
01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:56,120
Speaker 2: titles here in the future.

1362
01:05:56,440 --> 01:05:59,000
Speaker 1: Well, let's see, I don't forget you got blushesha on

1363
01:05:59,040 --> 01:06:01,480
Speaker 1: this car taking on on me Ali Akbari, who has

1364
01:06:02,240 --> 01:06:06,680
Speaker 1: had a series of problems in avoiding performance enhancing drug

1365
01:06:07,080 --> 01:06:07,760
Speaker 1: test failures.

1366
01:06:07,840 --> 01:06:10,439
Speaker 4: So just understand what you're gonna get here with with him.

1367
01:06:11,080 --> 01:06:12,320
Speaker 1: Uh, But the one I want to make because you're

1368
01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:15,520
Speaker 1: talking about Kaid Rule Tolo, Dude, this is so for

1369
01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:19,000
Speaker 1: a long time in MMA, getting like a star grappler

1370
01:06:19,120 --> 01:06:20,880
Speaker 1: to come over to MMA was really fun, and of

1371
01:06:20,960 --> 01:06:22,520
Speaker 1: course you knew that like the wrestling may or may

1372
01:06:22,600 --> 01:06:24,080
Speaker 1: not be all that good. Sometimes they were good. A

1373
01:06:24,120 --> 01:06:26,560
Speaker 1: lot of times it wasn't and the striking was always terrible,

1374
01:06:26,600 --> 01:06:27,880
Speaker 1: but you just knew if they could drag it to

1375
01:06:27,960 --> 01:06:31,240
Speaker 1: the floor, they would beat somebody very easily. And that

1376
01:06:31,360 --> 01:06:33,320
Speaker 1: went away a lot. But I think someone like kaid

1377
01:06:33,400 --> 01:06:36,480
Speaker 1: Rule Tolo can kind of bring back that tradition. He

1378
01:06:36,640 --> 01:06:40,640
Speaker 1: does have pretty good wrestling. He obviously is very young,

1379
01:06:40,840 --> 01:06:43,840
Speaker 1: he has accomplished so much. He got a really modern

1380
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:46,240
Speaker 1: style of grappling that I think would work really well

1381
01:06:46,360 --> 01:06:51,000
Speaker 1: for MMA, devastating finisher inside of you know Nogi rules obviously,

1382
01:06:52,120 --> 01:06:54,640
Speaker 1: So to me, this is really kind of fun. We

1383
01:06:54,760 --> 01:06:57,880
Speaker 1: have to see exactly how he navigates closing distance, can

1384
01:06:58,080 --> 01:07:00,960
Speaker 1: how how much can a striking come along? And he's

1385
01:07:01,040 --> 01:07:03,240
Speaker 1: got what one fight only on his career. There's just

1386
01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:05,280
Speaker 1: a lot that remains unknown. But the point I'm trying

1387
01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:07,440
Speaker 1: to make is the style of jiu jitsu that he

1388
01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:12,520
Speaker 1: brings to me is sufficiently refreshed where I do feel

1389
01:07:12,600 --> 01:07:15,640
Speaker 1: kind of excited about star grappler comes over to Mma.

1390
01:07:16,080 --> 01:07:17,040
Speaker 4: I want to see what he's got.

1391
01:07:17,480 --> 01:07:19,440
Speaker 2: I do too. He was fought at Welter Waite and

1392
01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:22,200
Speaker 2: his debut in June when he needed a little over

1393
01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:24,720
Speaker 2: three minutes to sub out Blake Cooper with a rare

1394
01:07:24,840 --> 01:07:28,320
Speaker 2: naked Now he's down in lightweight. We'll see how this continues.

1395
01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:31,080
Speaker 2: But I gotta say they put together enough bells and

1396
01:07:31,120 --> 01:07:34,800
Speaker 2: whistles and trinkets and tricks and treats, Luke, then I'm

1397
01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:37,000
Speaker 2: gonna watch I'm in Let's do this thing tonight a

1398
01:07:37,120 --> 01:07:40,240
Speaker 2: PM Eastern Prime video. You won't watch it live, lukeer

1399
01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:41,680
Speaker 2: If you do, the sound will be off.

1400
01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:47,800
Speaker 1: Is our buddy has Bulla's number one fan aka Chicago's

1401
01:07:47,880 --> 01:07:48,760
Speaker 1: number one supporter.

1402
01:07:49,120 --> 01:07:52,720
Speaker 4: Dude, Do I love d cymore? Or does Ray love

1403
01:07:52,880 --> 01:07:54,800
Speaker 4: Chicago more. I don't know the answer to that.

1404
01:07:55,040 --> 01:07:59,200
Speaker 2: He loves has Beulah more than you love DC without question, okay,

1405
01:07:59,360 --> 01:08:01,520
Speaker 2: And I think he loves the Chicago Bears more than

1406
01:08:01,560 --> 01:08:04,400
Speaker 2: anyone loves anything else. Ever, Like you got to give

1407
01:08:04,520 --> 01:08:06,840
Speaker 2: Ray credit after a tough loss, and they usually have

1408
01:08:07,040 --> 01:08:12,440
Speaker 2: many He'll get on social media three sheets everybody, fire, everybody.

1409
01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:14,600
Speaker 2: I love to see that. Rick shout out to Ray Floyd.

1410
01:08:14,720 --> 01:08:16,519
Speaker 4: So if he's on the call, I definitely won't mut it.

1411
01:08:16,600 --> 01:08:17,720
Speaker 1: I like Ray. Ray's a good guy.

1412
01:08:17,960 --> 01:08:19,640
Speaker 2: Thank you. All right, let's keep it going here to

1413
01:08:19,760 --> 01:08:23,360
Speaker 2: topic number three, and it's a a couple boxing cards

1414
01:08:23,400 --> 01:08:27,200
Speaker 2: worth our attention tonight at the Scope in Norfolk, Top

1415
01:08:27,320 --> 01:08:30,639
Speaker 2: Rank and ESPN Plus giving us a very unique card

1416
01:08:30,760 --> 01:08:34,760
Speaker 2: as the Davis brothers. What are they calling themselves? Three

1417
01:08:35,120 --> 01:08:38,400
Speaker 2: H three dB? I think you were three man band.

1418
01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:40,880
Speaker 2: I forgot what the achro dB three is the Ackerman

1419
01:08:40,880 --> 01:08:42,920
Speaker 2: they got the uh, they got the shirts and everything.

1420
01:08:43,040 --> 01:08:46,920
Speaker 2: Keyshawn Davis, the rising unbeaten lightweight, is going to be

1421
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:51,240
Speaker 2: in the main event we think here against Gustavo Limos. First,

1422
01:08:51,320 --> 01:08:52,160
Speaker 2: let's set the stage.

1423
01:08:52,520 --> 01:08:55,400
Speaker 4: He made, he made the rehydration made Limos.

1424
01:08:55,080 --> 01:08:58,680
Speaker 2: Did so all three Davis brothers are going to be

1425
01:08:58,840 --> 01:09:01,599
Speaker 2: on this card. Kishawn Ray now is in the position

1426
01:09:01,640 --> 01:09:03,800
Speaker 2: where he's about to be a breakout star. His older

1427
01:09:03,840 --> 01:09:07,040
Speaker 2: brother Kelvin is unbeaten at eleven to zero. I believe

1428
01:09:07,080 --> 01:09:10,240
Speaker 2: he fights at welterweight. But their youngest brother, Keon, who

1429
01:09:10,360 --> 01:09:13,200
Speaker 2: Keishawn told me last week on the BCX, is going

1430
01:09:13,240 --> 01:09:15,439
Speaker 2: to be better than all of them. A six foot

1431
01:09:15,479 --> 01:09:18,479
Speaker 2: three junior middleweight. He's gonna make his pro debut on

1432
01:09:18,600 --> 01:09:21,479
Speaker 2: this card, and all the storylines are really interesting because

1433
01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:25,360
Speaker 2: this is the first fight of no in Norfolk, Davis's

1434
01:09:25,400 --> 01:09:29,240
Speaker 2: hometown since Parnell Whittaker beat James Buddy McGirt in nineteen

1435
01:09:29,360 --> 01:09:32,559
Speaker 2: ninety four to defend his welterweight title, and it sold

1436
01:09:32,600 --> 01:09:35,920
Speaker 2: out nine thousand seats here for this fight like instantly,

1437
01:09:36,400 --> 01:09:40,120
Speaker 2: so Keishawn's confident in this. Heck, he's bringing Whitaker's family

1438
01:09:40,240 --> 01:09:42,400
Speaker 2: to the fight. Parnell used to show up with their

1439
01:09:42,760 --> 01:09:46,280
Speaker 2: amateur tournaments before he passed away and would like mentor them.

1440
01:09:46,320 --> 01:09:49,719
Speaker 2: So there's a lot to like here. But Luke Gustavo Limos,

1441
01:09:49,800 --> 01:09:53,720
Speaker 2: the opponent, decided toaf around and missweight by let me

1442
01:09:53,760 --> 01:09:54,360
Speaker 2: look this up.

1443
01:09:54,720 --> 01:09:56,480
Speaker 4: I thought it was six plus pounds.

1444
01:09:56,520 --> 01:10:00,240
Speaker 2: Six point four pounds for this one hundred dude.

1445
01:10:00,280 --> 01:10:03,360
Speaker 1: That's an entire weight class in boxing. That's an entire

1446
01:10:03,439 --> 01:10:03,960
Speaker 1: weight class.

1447
01:10:04,240 --> 01:10:07,479
Speaker 2: And here's what's frustrating about this. He's not a bum.

1448
01:10:07,880 --> 01:10:10,719
Speaker 2: In fact, Keishawn told me he was offered former champion

1449
01:10:10,800 --> 01:10:14,120
Speaker 2: Nicholas Walters, who's now thirty eight and trying to resurrect

1450
01:10:14,200 --> 01:10:17,040
Speaker 2: his career, and Keishan had a meeting with top Rank

1451
01:10:17,200 --> 01:10:18,640
Speaker 2: was like, I'm not fighting this guy because when I

1452
01:10:18,720 --> 01:10:20,920
Speaker 2: knock him out, everyone's going to say he's too old.

1453
01:10:21,240 --> 01:10:23,519
Speaker 2: So he picked out Limos, who's twenty nine to one.

1454
01:10:23,880 --> 01:10:26,439
Speaker 2: He's fresh off his first defeat, but that was against

1455
01:10:26,520 --> 01:10:29,280
Speaker 2: unbeating Richard Richardson Hitchins in a fight that a lot

1456
01:10:29,320 --> 01:10:31,920
Speaker 2: of people thought Limos should have got the decision. So like,

1457
01:10:32,080 --> 01:10:35,479
Speaker 2: this is arguably the biggest fight of Limos's career. He's

1458
01:10:35,560 --> 01:10:37,679
Speaker 2: not just some bum that's being brought to the slaughter.

1459
01:10:38,080 --> 01:10:41,360
Speaker 2: Despite the fact that the odds are very high before

1460
01:10:41,439 --> 01:10:44,360
Speaker 2: the weight miss it was minus six hundred for Kishawn

1461
01:10:44,760 --> 01:10:47,360
Speaker 2: and plus four to twenty five. But Luke, in boxing,

1462
01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:49,960
Speaker 2: that's almost kind of a close, you know what I mean?

1463
01:10:50,120 --> 01:10:53,519
Speaker 2: That tells you that Limos is talented, so like he

1464
01:10:53,640 --> 01:10:57,040
Speaker 2: did meet the rehydration clauses that kept this fight alive

1465
01:10:57,720 --> 01:10:59,840
Speaker 2: this morning, because if he didn't, they didn't have a

1466
01:11:00,040 --> 01:11:03,200
Speaker 2: placement opponent and all is for not. But I'm wondering

1467
01:11:03,280 --> 01:11:06,440
Speaker 2: is he trying to do like Solito did against Lomachenko

1468
01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:08,920
Speaker 2: and purposely blowweight to have that advantage. I don't know

1469
01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:10,639
Speaker 2: if that. If you can do that and then weigh

1470
01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:13,640
Speaker 2: six point five four pounds over, it's not like he

1471
01:11:13,840 --> 01:11:16,240
Speaker 2: just couldn't make the final pound and decided to fit.

1472
01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:17,360
Speaker 2: It's a mad look.

1473
01:11:17,479 --> 01:11:20,360
Speaker 4: Did he ever explain why he was off so badly?

1474
01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:23,640
Speaker 2: I have not seen that. If so, Luke, But you

1475
01:11:23,680 --> 01:11:26,120
Speaker 2: know he's supposed to give him a challenge here. I

1476
01:11:26,160 --> 01:11:28,160
Speaker 2: don't know if this is gonna help or hurt him.

1477
01:11:28,600 --> 01:11:31,479
Speaker 2: But let's hear, by the way from Keishawn Davis, who

1478
01:11:31,560 --> 01:11:33,520
Speaker 2: was on the Brian Campbell Experience.

1479
01:11:34,680 --> 01:11:35,400
Speaker 1: That too.

1480
01:11:35,560 --> 01:11:37,240
Speaker 2: I mean, it's great, it's you know, it's the name

1481
01:11:37,320 --> 01:11:39,920
Speaker 2: of it too. It's it's like should keep saying. Here

1482
01:11:40,040 --> 01:11:44,160
Speaker 2: is Keishawn talking about Tank Davis, who he wants to

1483
01:11:44,200 --> 01:11:47,439
Speaker 2: fight badly. It seems like you're like, yo, if that

1484
01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:49,679
Speaker 2: fight opens up, I'll take it. Like what you know Again,

1485
01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:51,600
Speaker 2: like we talked about not weight around, is that a

1486
01:11:51,720 --> 01:11:54,800
Speaker 2: realistic option giving the business landscape, do you think that

1487
01:11:54,880 --> 01:11:55,960
Speaker 2: you end up in the ring with him?

1488
01:11:56,720 --> 01:11:59,840
Speaker 10: Hell yeah. I feel like if I when I become

1489
01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:02,920
Speaker 10: world champion, I'm a world champion just like he world champ.

1490
01:12:03,280 --> 01:12:05,880
Speaker 10: Davids versus Davis, Like just the name itself is that's

1491
01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:07,760
Speaker 10: pay per view. You know what I'm saying, Like it's

1492
01:12:07,840 --> 01:12:10,360
Speaker 10: gonna sell more than it's gonna sell more than his

1493
01:12:10,760 --> 01:12:12,559
Speaker 10: fight right now that he got is gonna sell more

1494
01:12:12,600 --> 01:12:16,679
Speaker 10: than his last fight guaranteed. Not only do he sell

1495
01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:19,120
Speaker 10: of course, he the face of box and he's he's

1496
01:12:19,320 --> 01:12:22,559
Speaker 10: Javonte right. But me coming up, Me just coming up

1497
01:12:22,840 --> 01:12:24,760
Speaker 10: for my first main event. I'm just sold over nine

1498
01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:27,720
Speaker 10: thousand seats. You know what I'm saying, So I sell

1499
01:12:28,160 --> 01:12:31,519
Speaker 10: people is gonna come see me fight tape? Also people

1500
01:12:31,640 --> 01:12:33,920
Speaker 10: a lot more people come see tape fight me. But

1501
01:12:34,120 --> 01:12:36,639
Speaker 10: we're both gonna sell it. You understand what I'm saying.

1502
01:12:36,720 --> 01:12:39,000
Speaker 10: So I think that's definitely a fight that needs to

1503
01:12:39,080 --> 01:12:43,400
Speaker 10: be made. Davis versus Davis, and both us got that mentality.

1504
01:12:44,240 --> 01:12:46,560
Speaker 10: You understand what I'm saying, so I think you know,

1505
01:12:46,720 --> 01:12:49,200
Speaker 10: if he up put the challenge, I'm up for it.

1506
01:12:50,680 --> 01:12:52,360
Speaker 2: Have you had any contact with him? Do you think

1507
01:12:52,360 --> 01:12:53,600
Speaker 2: you're on his radar so to.

1508
01:12:53,560 --> 01:12:58,360
Speaker 10: Speaking, Yeah, I'm on everybody's radar. Like I'm talented, I

1509
01:12:58,400 --> 01:13:01,200
Speaker 10: can really fight. I'm on everybody's radar. I feel like

1510
01:13:01,320 --> 01:13:04,400
Speaker 10: people is not gonna mention me because they don't really

1511
01:13:05,000 --> 01:13:10,760
Speaker 10: want these problems. Like people know from amateurs. People know

1512
01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:12,920
Speaker 10: now that I'm proving myself. You know what I'm saying.

1513
01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:15,000
Speaker 10: So people not just gonna jump and be like, oh,

1514
01:13:15,200 --> 01:13:20,519
Speaker 10: I'm wanna fight keish On unless unless I'm when I

1515
01:13:20,640 --> 01:13:22,600
Speaker 10: when I sell out this event now sending out the

1516
01:13:22,640 --> 01:13:24,559
Speaker 10: next event, and I set out the next event, then

1517
01:13:24,600 --> 01:13:26,120
Speaker 10: it's gonna be like, all right, bet let's fight keish

1518
01:13:26,200 --> 01:13:28,400
Speaker 10: On because now I'm a pay per view star at

1519
01:13:28,439 --> 01:13:31,040
Speaker 10: this point. Right but as of right now, people not

1520
01:13:31,120 --> 01:13:32,720
Speaker 10: gonna jump and be like, oh let me let me

1521
01:13:32,760 --> 01:13:33,200
Speaker 10: fight Key.

1522
01:13:34,520 --> 01:13:36,639
Speaker 2: Look, he talks a big game, but he did win

1523
01:13:36,760 --> 01:13:39,360
Speaker 2: the silver medal at the twenty twenty one Tokyo Games,

1524
01:13:39,360 --> 01:13:41,960
Speaker 2: and he's eleven and oh with seven KOs. Do you

1525
01:13:42,040 --> 01:13:43,960
Speaker 2: think he's backed it up from what you've seen up

1526
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:44,679
Speaker 2: to this point.

1527
01:13:47,240 --> 01:13:50,400
Speaker 1: Mostly mostly. I mean, how would you describe his style?

1528
01:13:50,479 --> 01:13:54,639
Speaker 1: B see, it seems to me slickster is partly explanatory, yeah.

1529
01:13:54,479 --> 01:13:57,360
Speaker 2: Only partly because his combos are his game, that's.

1530
01:13:57,280 --> 01:14:01,680
Speaker 4: Right, and he's offensive, can be quite aggressive.

1531
01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:05,400
Speaker 1: I wouldn't call him a like a super dynamic puncher,

1532
01:14:05,479 --> 01:14:07,120
Speaker 1: but a very good one, I think is a good

1533
01:14:07,120 --> 01:14:09,720
Speaker 1: way to put that. He looks like he's got a

1534
01:14:09,880 --> 01:14:12,360
Speaker 1: lot of different pieces from a lot of different kinds

1535
01:14:12,360 --> 01:14:16,120
Speaker 1: of boxing games put together, and one has it one out,

1536
01:14:16,240 --> 01:14:18,040
Speaker 1: nor has it needed to. He's been able to use

1537
01:14:18,280 --> 01:14:22,520
Speaker 1: all of them as needed. I wouldn't say every performance

1538
01:14:22,560 --> 01:14:25,400
Speaker 1: has been like a blowout, you know, with flying colors.

1539
01:14:25,439 --> 01:14:27,600
Speaker 1: But what I have seen from him is that, like

1540
01:14:27,960 --> 01:14:29,960
Speaker 1: to the point I just raised, he's got the Batman

1541
01:14:30,160 --> 01:14:32,680
Speaker 1: tool belt, Like, there's so many different skills. He is

1542
01:14:32,760 --> 01:14:37,760
Speaker 1: quite skilled, and he's fun. He talks that talks that shit,

1543
01:14:37,800 --> 01:14:40,160
Speaker 1: which you kind of like, dude, he's gonna be in

1544
01:14:40,320 --> 01:14:42,880
Speaker 1: norfolk or by the way, they call it nawffolk, which

1545
01:14:43,200 --> 01:14:45,879
Speaker 1: just blows my mind. But if you don't say nawfolk,

1546
01:14:45,960 --> 01:14:48,559
Speaker 1: they get bitter, like, no, it's noafolk. I'm like, there's

1547
01:14:48,680 --> 01:14:51,599
Speaker 1: no A or W in this fucking word. But okay,

1548
01:14:52,640 --> 01:14:55,120
Speaker 1: but the Hampton Roads area is gonna really coalesce behind

1549
01:14:55,160 --> 01:14:57,040
Speaker 1: this guy. They love their sports stars. I'm obviously not

1550
01:14:57,080 --> 01:14:59,519
Speaker 1: putting on the level of Michael Vick, but he is

1551
01:14:59,600 --> 01:15:02,160
Speaker 1: kind of emblematic or Alan iverson all these guys that

1552
01:15:02,200 --> 01:15:04,280
Speaker 1: come out of there. You know, they really get behind

1553
01:15:04,360 --> 01:15:06,120
Speaker 1: their sports stars. I have a feeling he's going to

1554
01:15:06,160 --> 01:15:07,760
Speaker 1: be a big deal in that area. It's going to

1555
01:15:07,800 --> 01:15:10,160
Speaker 1: boost his profile. This is going to be, I think,

1556
01:15:10,240 --> 01:15:13,519
Speaker 1: a really a showcase opportunity for him. So you know,

1557
01:15:13,640 --> 01:15:15,400
Speaker 1: you know better than I do about ultimately what is

1558
01:15:15,439 --> 01:15:17,720
Speaker 1: possible here, But from what I have to your point,

1559
01:15:17,840 --> 01:15:21,400
Speaker 1: from what I've seen from him, I am cautiously optimistic.

1560
01:15:21,479 --> 01:15:24,720
Speaker 1: He's got he's got a he he can be a

1561
01:15:24,920 --> 01:15:26,360
Speaker 1: big star in boxing.

1562
01:15:26,080 --> 01:15:27,920
Speaker 2: Up there, and he's got as you heard right there,

1563
01:15:27,960 --> 01:15:32,000
Speaker 2: he's got the swagger, but it's not forced, it's it's confident,

1564
01:15:32,080 --> 01:15:34,960
Speaker 2: it's automatic. He's winning over a lot of people, so

1565
01:15:35,040 --> 01:15:37,320
Speaker 2: we'll see. He's only twenty five years old. I mean,

1566
01:15:37,320 --> 01:15:40,200
Speaker 2: the biggest win so far as maybe washed Jose Padraza,

1567
01:15:40,240 --> 01:15:42,320
Speaker 2: the former champion, but he blew him out in six

1568
01:15:42,360 --> 01:15:43,880
Speaker 2: and a half rounds and did what he was supposed

1569
01:15:43,920 --> 01:15:47,320
Speaker 2: to do. So he needs more continued step ups in

1570
01:15:47,400 --> 01:15:50,240
Speaker 2: this vein before we are making Davis versus Davis. But

1571
01:15:50,760 --> 01:15:53,519
Speaker 2: I love as I always say that all these young

1572
01:15:53,560 --> 01:15:56,559
Speaker 2: American fighters are just calling people out left and right.

1573
01:15:56,640 --> 01:15:58,960
Speaker 2: And look, one thing I did hear from an interview

1574
01:15:59,040 --> 01:16:01,920
Speaker 2: that that Kishan did this week, where people say, hey,

1575
01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:04,280
Speaker 2: you're always calling out Tank, but why not Shakur. I

1576
01:16:04,320 --> 01:16:07,040
Speaker 2: didn't know this backstory. I guess at one point Kishan

1577
01:16:07,280 --> 01:16:09,479
Speaker 2: was battling with suicidal thoughts and had to go to

1578
01:16:09,560 --> 01:16:12,680
Speaker 2: a mental hospital. And he credits Shakur with reaching out

1579
01:16:12,760 --> 01:16:15,760
Speaker 2: to him regularly and encouraging him and helping him pick

1580
01:16:15,840 --> 01:16:18,240
Speaker 2: up his spirits. That he says, I never want to

1581
01:16:18,240 --> 01:16:20,519
Speaker 2: fight that guy. I respect that story a lot, I'll

1582
01:16:20,560 --> 01:16:21,160
Speaker 2: tell you that much.

1583
01:16:22,560 --> 01:16:24,320
Speaker 1: It's kind of funny, by the way, also like he

1584
01:16:24,439 --> 01:16:26,360
Speaker 1: kind of alluded to it, but you know, I was

1585
01:16:26,479 --> 01:16:28,960
Speaker 1: just at Lamont Roach's gym last week and you kind

1586
01:16:29,000 --> 01:16:31,360
Speaker 1: of hear stories of like, by the way, just kind

1587
01:16:31,400 --> 01:16:34,560
Speaker 1: of like semi related, but like what happened in the

1588
01:16:34,640 --> 01:16:39,960
Speaker 1: amateurs is such a big part of boxing, like lore slash,

1589
01:16:40,040 --> 01:16:43,160
Speaker 1: what fights get made slash, how they get promoted. It's

1590
01:16:43,160 --> 01:16:45,160
Speaker 1: something that's kind of really missing on the MMA side.

1591
01:16:45,680 --> 01:16:48,000
Speaker 1: They just don't have the same system obviously, But in

1592
01:16:48,080 --> 01:16:50,800
Speaker 1: any case, I'm pretty pumped for this one. The fact

1593
01:16:50,800 --> 01:16:53,479
Speaker 1: that the guy missed it by nearly seven pounds really

1594
01:16:53,640 --> 01:16:55,680
Speaker 1: takes the wind out of this one for me to

1595
01:16:55,760 --> 01:16:58,479
Speaker 1: a degree. But the Kishon Davis experience is one that

1596
01:16:58,600 --> 01:17:00,400
Speaker 1: is typically a rewarding one to watch.

1597
01:17:00,760 --> 01:17:04,400
Speaker 2: And Luke your boy the bright prospect Abdulla Mason also

1598
01:17:04,960 --> 01:17:05,800
Speaker 2: back on this card.

1599
01:17:05,920 --> 01:17:08,960
Speaker 1: Is he He's a hammer and a half man. That

1600
01:17:09,080 --> 01:17:10,160
Speaker 1: guy he's coming out.

1601
01:17:11,160 --> 01:17:13,920
Speaker 2: He is everything they say he is up to this point,

1602
01:17:14,760 --> 01:17:17,880
Speaker 2: just twenty years old, unbeaten record to start, we'll see him.

1603
01:17:17,920 --> 01:17:21,559
Speaker 2: And oh, by the way, Robert Merriweather the third who

1604
01:17:21,720 --> 01:17:25,519
Speaker 2: is very young, just nineteen years old seven and oh

1605
01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:28,479
Speaker 2: the one hundred and thirty pound fighter. Our boy Alan Dawson,

1606
01:17:28,520 --> 01:17:30,720
Speaker 2: who previously lived in Las Vegas, used to go to

1607
01:17:30,720 --> 01:17:32,800
Speaker 2: the Mayweather gym all the time and talk to all

1608
01:17:32,840 --> 01:17:35,800
Speaker 2: the fighters. He thinks Meriwether's even a brighter prospect than

1609
01:17:35,840 --> 01:17:37,559
Speaker 2: Carmel Moten potentially, So that is a guy.

1610
01:17:37,720 --> 01:17:37,960
Speaker 6: Wow.

1611
01:17:38,120 --> 01:17:39,960
Speaker 4: Hey, Well, by the way, Alan Dawson left Vegas.

1612
01:17:40,439 --> 01:17:42,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, he moved to LA for one of his new gigs.

1613
01:17:42,479 --> 01:17:44,519
Speaker 2: He's juggling a bunch of new gigs. Do great. Yeah,

1614
01:17:44,560 --> 01:17:45,599
Speaker 2: what a guy. Love that guy.

1615
01:17:46,040 --> 01:17:48,000
Speaker 4: Shot Stay, Alan Dawson. That's a real dude out there.

1616
01:17:48,040 --> 01:17:48,479
Speaker 1: I like him.

1617
01:17:48,520 --> 01:17:50,000
Speaker 4: That not a lot of nice people in the in

1618
01:17:50,080 --> 01:17:51,840
Speaker 4: combat sports. A really nice guy.

1619
01:17:52,120 --> 01:17:54,200
Speaker 2: I'll back you on that one. So go to Top

1620
01:17:54,240 --> 01:17:56,240
Speaker 2: Break undercard by the way, a bunch of prospects, a

1621
01:17:56,240 --> 01:17:58,840
Speaker 2: bunch of risers, including on beating Troy Isisley. So check

1622
01:17:58,920 --> 01:18:01,920
Speaker 2: that out tonight on ESPN Plus. But let's go to Saturday.

1623
01:18:02,000 --> 01:18:04,400
Speaker 2: It's the Boots in Bam doubleheader. They're calling it two

1624
01:18:04,560 --> 01:18:07,960
Speaker 2: Kings as Mattroom Sports and Eddie Hearn bring Jeron Boots

1625
01:18:08,040 --> 01:18:11,120
Speaker 2: Ennis back to Philadelphia for the second straight fight in

1626
01:18:11,280 --> 01:18:14,120
Speaker 2: his second fights and signing with Mattroom. We know the

1627
01:18:14,160 --> 01:18:18,080
Speaker 2: main event, Luke, it's John Ennis versus Karen chukus In

1628
01:18:19,000 --> 01:18:23,599
Speaker 2: for the second time because the IBF is gonna IBF

1629
01:18:23,680 --> 01:18:27,800
Speaker 2: and somehow chukins In is the mandatory he's on here.

1630
01:18:27,960 --> 01:18:30,320
Speaker 1: But that's not the only reason. The Brian Norman situation

1631
01:18:30,520 --> 01:18:31,920
Speaker 1: is a big contributor here as well.

1632
01:18:31,960 --> 01:18:34,400
Speaker 2: Part of it too. But like chuckens In is three

1633
01:18:34,479 --> 01:18:37,360
Speaker 2: and oh since that loss to Boots in twenty twenty three,

1634
01:18:37,920 --> 01:18:40,400
Speaker 2: but he lost one twenty to one Owaight on all

1635
01:18:40,479 --> 01:18:43,080
Speaker 2: three cards to Boots, he ran the whole fight. Then

1636
01:18:43,120 --> 01:18:45,560
Speaker 2: he gets three wins on foreign soil against guys you

1637
01:18:45,680 --> 01:18:48,320
Speaker 2: never heard of, and now he's the mandatory again and

1638
01:18:48,360 --> 01:18:50,439
Speaker 2: Boots has to basically go, do I want to move

1639
01:18:50,479 --> 01:18:52,960
Speaker 2: it to fifty four now because they're gonna take my belt?

1640
01:18:53,280 --> 01:18:55,599
Speaker 2: Or do I want to fight this guy a second time? Look,

1641
01:18:55,840 --> 01:18:58,759
Speaker 2: even with the Brian Norman situation, you can't justify anything

1642
01:18:58,880 --> 01:19:01,760
Speaker 2: lately that's going on with these sectioning bodies. Even when

1643
01:19:01,760 --> 01:19:05,080
Speaker 2: they're following their own rules, they're still making boxing suck

1644
01:19:05,200 --> 01:19:06,320
Speaker 2: because of it at times.

1645
01:19:06,439 --> 01:19:08,920
Speaker 4: Right, dude, we were there. This was the for folks.

1646
01:19:09,280 --> 01:19:11,439
Speaker 4: Remember this is the Tank Davis Hector Garcia fight.

1647
01:19:11,479 --> 01:19:16,280
Speaker 1: It was in DC. I can't, I can't overstate this

1648
01:19:16,360 --> 01:19:20,519
Speaker 1: to you. Say his lesson again, Chu KOs on chu Kazan. Yeah,

1649
01:19:21,560 --> 01:19:25,719
Speaker 1: it's spelled like Chukadzian, but it's chu Kasan. When BC

1650
01:19:25,880 --> 01:19:29,080
Speaker 1: says he ran the entire time, I'm not kidding, nor

1651
01:19:29,240 --> 01:19:32,519
Speaker 1: is he he ran the entire time. And understand something

1652
01:19:32,600 --> 01:19:34,920
Speaker 1: if a guy is on the move, and by the way,

1653
01:19:35,080 --> 01:19:37,439
Speaker 1: like when I say he ran the entire time.

1654
01:19:38,120 --> 01:19:41,160
Speaker 4: He also has good defensive skill BC, Right, wouldn't you

1655
01:19:41,200 --> 01:19:44,200
Speaker 4: agree with that? Like, he's a skilled boxer in that sense.

1656
01:19:44,560 --> 01:19:46,920
Speaker 4: So imagine how hard it is to try and fight

1657
01:19:47,000 --> 01:19:47,439
Speaker 4: a guy.

1658
01:19:47,720 --> 01:19:50,559
Speaker 1: Who really has no intentions of beating you. His whole

1659
01:19:50,600 --> 01:19:53,280
Speaker 1: intention is to survive. He's gonna be on the move.

1660
01:19:53,479 --> 01:19:55,800
Speaker 1: He does have the skills to laterally move, get in

1661
01:19:55,880 --> 01:19:58,800
Speaker 1: and out a position, score a couple of punches here

1662
01:19:59,000 --> 01:20:02,439
Speaker 1: or there, and then lose the round. That's what happened

1663
01:20:02,479 --> 01:20:05,280
Speaker 1: for twelve rounds, and they're making it again now. This time,

1664
01:20:05,320 --> 01:20:07,200
Speaker 1: of course, Boots will be at home in Philly, where

1665
01:20:07,200 --> 01:20:09,360
Speaker 1: he is from the second time Matchroom has put him there,

1666
01:20:09,400 --> 01:20:12,160
Speaker 1: which I like you. We both talk to him, so

1667
01:20:12,320 --> 01:20:14,120
Speaker 1: you know, we got a sense of like how he feels.

1668
01:20:16,560 --> 01:20:19,519
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say pointless, BC, but all the questions

1669
01:20:19,520 --> 01:20:21,559
Speaker 1: about Boots are is he as big of a star

1670
01:20:21,800 --> 01:20:25,120
Speaker 1: as he should have been given his outrageous talent level

1671
01:20:25,280 --> 01:20:28,360
Speaker 1: and what he has shown, And the answer is quite

1672
01:20:28,360 --> 01:20:31,679
Speaker 1: obviously not. And fights like this don't get us any

1673
01:20:31,760 --> 01:20:33,880
Speaker 1: closer that we talked to Bam, because BAM's in the

1674
01:20:33,920 --> 01:20:36,439
Speaker 1: Comaine and he's gonna be in this card it's I'm

1675
01:20:36,479 --> 01:20:37,840
Speaker 1: glad these guys are on the card.

1676
01:20:39,439 --> 01:20:41,040
Speaker 4: It just, you know, I don't know what to say.

1677
01:20:41,400 --> 01:20:44,000
Speaker 2: Eddie Hern made the most of a bad situation where

1678
01:20:44,040 --> 01:20:46,439
Speaker 2: they again they had to decide to whether they should

1679
01:20:46,520 --> 01:20:49,599
Speaker 2: keep the title or give it up by adding Bam

1680
01:20:49,880 --> 01:20:51,600
Speaker 2: Rodriguez on. Here you see the two of them and

1681
01:20:51,680 --> 01:20:54,200
Speaker 2: the Mattroom Boxing's face offs that they did outside of

1682
01:20:54,240 --> 01:20:57,360
Speaker 2: the Wells Fargo Center there in Philadelphia. But Luke, it's

1683
01:20:57,439 --> 01:20:59,320
Speaker 2: tough news when we look at the odds and it's

1684
01:20:59,360 --> 01:21:03,320
Speaker 2: like Boots is minus four thousand, minus four thousand and

1685
01:21:03,600 --> 01:21:08,040
Speaker 2: forty to one favorite against the plus fifteen hundred chukas in.

1686
01:21:08,880 --> 01:21:11,479
Speaker 2: So you know, Ennis is saying the right things. He's saying. Look,

1687
01:21:11,520 --> 01:21:13,040
Speaker 2: I couldn't get him out of there the first time,

1688
01:21:13,120 --> 01:21:15,839
Speaker 2: so my goal is to one up my first performance

1689
01:21:15,880 --> 01:21:18,960
Speaker 2: and knock him out, no matter what it takes. But damn,

1690
01:21:19,600 --> 01:21:22,479
Speaker 2: damn man, dude, I would not have been upset if

1691
01:21:22,520 --> 01:21:24,360
Speaker 2: he just gave up the title. If you just said, yo,

1692
01:21:24,439 --> 01:21:26,120
Speaker 2: if this is the way it has to be, take

1693
01:21:26,160 --> 01:21:27,479
Speaker 2: your title, okay, okay.

1694
01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:29,000
Speaker 1: But then he would be in a position where he

1695
01:21:29,000 --> 01:21:30,720
Speaker 1: couldn't get some of the other bigger fights he's looking

1696
01:21:30,760 --> 01:21:33,240
Speaker 1: for so I understand that too, but Jesus, it's like,

1697
01:21:33,400 --> 01:21:35,240
Speaker 1: I'm happy to see these guys on the card. I

1698
01:21:35,280 --> 01:21:37,439
Speaker 1: think Mattrium is to your point, trying to make the

1699
01:21:37,520 --> 01:21:40,720
Speaker 1: best of a difficult situation. It's a bit of a

1700
01:21:40,800 --> 01:21:43,320
Speaker 1: tough sell unless you just love Boots, or you love Bam,

1701
01:21:43,439 --> 01:21:46,559
Speaker 1: or you love boxing in Philly, which are all things

1702
01:21:46,600 --> 01:21:47,240
Speaker 1: easy to like.

1703
01:21:47,400 --> 01:21:50,200
Speaker 2: But well, Bam will have his mandatory in the co

1704
01:21:50,400 --> 01:21:53,920
Speaker 2: main event as he defends his WBC Super Flyway title.

1705
01:21:54,000 --> 01:21:58,879
Speaker 2: Does Jesse Rodriguez as a minus four thousand favorite against

1706
01:22:00,120 --> 01:22:02,519
Speaker 2: he has a minus eighteen hundred favorite. Is Jesse Rodriguez

1707
01:22:02,560 --> 01:22:05,960
Speaker 2: against the plus one thousand Pedro Guvera. So look, it's

1708
01:22:06,040 --> 01:22:09,479
Speaker 2: not expected to be a major challenge for Bam, who's

1709
01:22:09,520 --> 01:22:11,760
Speaker 2: in the top ten pounds per pound and by the way,

1710
01:22:12,200 --> 01:22:15,200
Speaker 2: his compy box numbers I did a even deeper rise.

1711
01:22:15,600 --> 01:22:19,719
Speaker 2: He's first, meaning Bam in all of boxing for jab

1712
01:22:19,840 --> 01:22:25,559
Speaker 2: connect percentage, power shot connect percentage, and overall connect percentage.

1713
01:22:25,560 --> 01:22:28,519
Speaker 2: It's why he has such a ridiculous plus minus number

1714
01:22:28,600 --> 01:22:31,040
Speaker 2: and why he can be an action fighter who barely

1715
01:22:31,080 --> 01:22:35,400
Speaker 2: gets hit. Dude. His combination of craft and wavos is

1716
01:22:35,600 --> 01:22:38,720
Speaker 2: so fun to watch, So I'm glad we get a

1717
01:22:38,840 --> 01:22:42,360
Speaker 2: propped up, proper showcase. But you know what this guy's about.

1718
01:22:42,400 --> 01:22:45,440
Speaker 2: We had him on MK on Monday. He wants chocolatito.

1719
01:22:45,720 --> 01:22:48,519
Speaker 2: He's already regularly talking about moving up to fight in

1720
01:22:48,560 --> 01:22:50,920
Speaker 2: a way one day. He wants all the champions all

1721
01:22:50,960 --> 01:22:54,320
Speaker 2: the time. So I'm excited. I'm gonna watch. But it'd

1722
01:22:54,360 --> 01:22:56,080
Speaker 2: be a big story. If either of these guys were

1723
01:22:56,120 --> 01:22:57,920
Speaker 2: tested at all in these two fights.

1724
01:22:58,360 --> 01:23:00,840
Speaker 4: I would be shocked. Put it as simply as that,

1725
01:23:00,920 --> 01:23:01,559
Speaker 4: I'd be shocked.

1726
01:23:01,760 --> 01:23:04,640
Speaker 2: And a quick note Payperview dot com, PBV dot com.

1727
01:23:04,720 --> 01:23:07,519
Speaker 2: This Saturday, we'll have the return of Subriel Mattias. He's

1728
01:23:07,560 --> 01:23:10,439
Speaker 2: fighting at home in Bejaman, Puerto Rico. If you remember

1729
01:23:10,560 --> 01:23:12,919
Speaker 2: back in June, right when we called him the boogeyman

1730
01:23:13,040 --> 01:23:16,600
Speaker 2: of the division, Latis Mattia signed with Mattrium Sport and

1731
01:23:16,640 --> 01:23:19,360
Speaker 2: got upset by Liam Parow, losing his one hundred and

1732
01:23:19,360 --> 01:23:21,960
Speaker 2: forty pound title. He will be a minus four thousand

1733
01:23:22,040 --> 01:23:25,960
Speaker 2: favorite against Roberto Ramrez in a ten round junior welterweight

1734
01:23:26,000 --> 01:23:29,080
Speaker 2: bout here, So we'll see if Subriel can rebound. He

1735
01:23:29,240 --> 01:23:32,280
Speaker 2: needs it in a big way. Luke Topic number four

1736
01:23:33,400 --> 01:23:36,559
Speaker 2: it's where we are. Connor McGregor is facing a civil

1737
01:23:36,680 --> 01:23:39,280
Speaker 2: trial and I believe today was day four for a

1738
01:23:39,400 --> 01:23:44,840
Speaker 2: sexual assault accusation that dates back to twenty eighteen from

1739
01:23:44,960 --> 01:23:48,080
Speaker 2: Nikita Hand, who had testified she was raped in Dublin,

1740
01:23:48,479 --> 01:23:51,560
Speaker 2: just two months after Connor lost to Habibmaga Medoff in

1741
01:23:51,640 --> 01:23:55,240
Speaker 2: the biggest fight in UFC history. And in twenty twenty,

1742
01:23:55,280 --> 01:23:58,640
Speaker 2: by the way, Ireland's Director of Public Prosecutions decided not

1743
01:23:59,040 --> 01:24:02,519
Speaker 2: to criminally prosecute McGregor due to lack of evidence and

1744
01:24:02,680 --> 01:24:06,280
Speaker 2: no reasonable prospect of conviction. So, Luke, this is about

1745
01:24:06,720 --> 01:24:10,479
Speaker 2: a civil trial, it's about money, it's about I guess

1746
01:24:10,560 --> 01:24:13,840
Speaker 2: clearing her name for her side of the story. Do

1747
01:24:13,920 --> 01:24:16,040
Speaker 2: you have any takeaways? As we're a few days into

1748
01:24:16,080 --> 01:24:19,080
Speaker 2: this trial with both sides really trying to bring their

1749
01:24:19,240 --> 01:24:22,879
Speaker 2: version of facts to light, it seems like McGregor's defense

1750
01:24:23,240 --> 01:24:26,360
Speaker 2: has been making some aggressive moves lightly with the CCTV footage.

1751
01:24:27,400 --> 01:24:31,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean without you, without being in the jury

1752
01:24:31,200 --> 01:24:35,240
Speaker 1: pool and sort of getting the mood of being there.

1753
01:24:35,320 --> 01:24:37,479
Speaker 1: In the specifics of it. It's hard to weigh in

1754
01:24:37,800 --> 01:24:40,360
Speaker 1: on the evidentiary case. It's a lot of what's being

1755
01:24:40,400 --> 01:24:43,920
Speaker 1: told to us you know, secondhand, and so I'm always

1756
01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:49,320
Speaker 1: cautious about drawing hardcore conclusions. The details are harrowing where

1757
01:24:49,439 --> 01:24:52,639
Speaker 1: they're trying to you know, the woman who is alleging

1758
01:24:52,720 --> 01:24:55,760
Speaker 1: that this had happened, she goes to a medical professional

1759
01:24:56,160 --> 01:24:59,519
Speaker 1: following the incident, whether it was consensual or otherwise, and

1760
01:25:00,040 --> 01:25:01,960
Speaker 1: they had to I'm sorry if this is like graphic,

1761
01:25:02,000 --> 01:25:03,920
Speaker 1: I'll try to be quite minimal about it. But they

1762
01:25:04,000 --> 01:25:05,800
Speaker 1: had to remove the tampon she had at the time

1763
01:25:05,880 --> 01:25:09,640
Speaker 1: with four steps. You know, this is whatever happened to

1764
01:25:09,680 --> 01:25:14,719
Speaker 1: her was you know, a jaw to waste, a series

1765
01:25:14,760 --> 01:25:20,479
Speaker 1: of bruising, and you know, it's just very, very difficult

1766
01:25:20,560 --> 01:25:23,800
Speaker 1: to even kind of read some of these details, much

1767
01:25:23,880 --> 01:25:26,719
Speaker 1: less kind of parse them. Granted, to your point, McGregor's

1768
01:25:26,760 --> 01:25:28,800
Speaker 1: defense has been aggressive. They have made the case, or

1769
01:25:28,800 --> 01:25:30,240
Speaker 1: at least they have attempted to make the case. I

1770
01:25:30,240 --> 01:25:33,560
Speaker 1: should say that this was rough sex, but it was not.

1771
01:25:34,560 --> 01:25:36,760
Speaker 1: There was no lack of consent. And by the way,

1772
01:25:36,800 --> 01:25:39,519
Speaker 1: it's not the question here is she's not just suing him,

1773
01:25:39,560 --> 01:25:42,240
Speaker 1: it's another person that was with McGregor that she is

1774
01:25:42,320 --> 01:25:45,479
Speaker 1: also suing. Also, to be clear, she is suing them.

1775
01:25:45,600 --> 01:25:47,880
Speaker 1: This is not a criminal court. This is a civil court,

1776
01:25:48,120 --> 01:25:51,240
Speaker 1: and so for folks might be wondering, I'm in no

1777
01:25:51,360 --> 01:25:53,600
Speaker 1: way an expert on the Irish judiciary system, but I

1778
01:25:53,680 --> 01:25:55,839
Speaker 1: did look this up. Their judiciary does.

1779
01:25:55,800 --> 01:25:58,000
Speaker 4: Mirror ours in a couple of important ways.

1780
01:25:58,560 --> 01:26:02,080
Speaker 1: Namely, for a criminal trial, it has to be our

1781
01:26:02,160 --> 01:26:05,759
Speaker 1: criminal charges anyway, it has to be you know, reasonable

1782
01:26:05,840 --> 01:26:08,320
Speaker 1: doubt right that, which is the same threshold of evidence

1783
01:26:08,360 --> 01:26:10,400
Speaker 1: that we have. But they have the same kind of

1784
01:26:10,520 --> 01:26:13,439
Speaker 1: threshold that we have for civil which is different. Namely,

1785
01:26:13,600 --> 01:26:15,559
Speaker 1: they don't use this language, but it's essentially the same,

1786
01:26:15,560 --> 01:26:18,280
Speaker 1: which is a preponderance of the evidence. So whereas it

1787
01:26:18,400 --> 01:26:21,519
Speaker 1: has to be like very clear in a criminal trial,

1788
01:26:21,560 --> 01:26:23,400
Speaker 1: ostensibly it does not have to be. It has to

1789
01:26:23,439 --> 01:26:26,200
Speaker 1: be kind of like the likeliest scenario, so to speak.

1790
01:26:26,840 --> 01:26:29,439
Speaker 1: For a civil case, what that will do for her

1791
01:26:31,360 --> 01:26:33,080
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna use the word fortunes per se, but

1792
01:26:33,479 --> 01:26:34,600
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, what that will do for

1793
01:26:34,640 --> 01:26:37,960
Speaker 1: the outcome, I don't know. I just want to The

1794
01:26:38,000 --> 01:26:40,160
Speaker 1: only point I would make about this whole situation is, listen,

1795
01:26:40,840 --> 01:26:43,880
Speaker 1: everyone is entitled to the presumption of innocence. You can

1796
01:26:43,920 --> 01:26:46,479
Speaker 1: read the details for yourself. They are very, very difficult,

1797
01:26:46,560 --> 01:26:50,640
Speaker 1: but BC just remind everyone here, you know, this was

1798
01:26:50,680 --> 01:26:54,960
Speaker 1: a guy who has had a number of problems all

1799
01:26:55,040 --> 01:26:59,160
Speaker 1: the way along. He attacked the bus with the dolly

1800
01:26:59,320 --> 01:27:01,000
Speaker 1: or whatever it was he was chucking at it. This

1801
01:27:01,160 --> 01:27:05,479
Speaker 1: was a guy who remember punched the Italian DJ apparently

1802
01:27:05,560 --> 01:27:08,559
Speaker 1: out of nowhere. This was the case of the phone

1803
01:27:08,600 --> 01:27:10,880
Speaker 1: in Miami with the phone, which is a smaller one,

1804
01:27:11,080 --> 01:27:14,439
Speaker 1: but the arrest in Corsica in September of twenty twenty

1805
01:27:14,479 --> 01:27:17,560
Speaker 1: where sexual assault was alleged. Then there was January of

1806
01:27:17,560 --> 01:27:20,320
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three where there was another sexual assault that

1807
01:27:20,640 --> 01:27:23,519
Speaker 1: was alleged. There was the Miami heat one which I

1808
01:27:23,600 --> 01:27:26,080
Speaker 1: think ultimately it was either dropped or I mean, there

1809
01:27:26,120 --> 01:27:29,360
Speaker 1: was no charge that was really ever handled, but it

1810
01:27:29,520 --> 01:27:31,519
Speaker 1: faded into oblivion. I guess there was nothing to it

1811
01:27:31,960 --> 01:27:33,439
Speaker 1: that they were or at least they didn't want to

1812
01:27:33,439 --> 01:27:35,439
Speaker 1: pursue it. There's nothing to it. Some combination of the two.

1813
01:27:35,520 --> 01:27:37,760
Speaker 1: It didn't lead to anything, I think is the best

1814
01:27:37,800 --> 01:27:39,760
Speaker 1: way to put that. But the point I want to

1815
01:27:39,800 --> 01:27:42,600
Speaker 1: make is does that by definition make McGregor guilty here, No,

1816
01:27:42,720 --> 01:27:50,599
Speaker 1: of course it does not. However, look at the pattern

1817
01:27:50,640 --> 01:27:53,960
Speaker 1: of behavior. Does if what she is alleging is true,

1818
01:27:54,080 --> 01:27:55,640
Speaker 1: and listen to the words that I'm saying. If what

1819
01:27:56,000 --> 01:27:59,920
Speaker 1: she is alleging is true, would it fit a path

1820
01:28:00,000 --> 01:28:02,719
Speaker 1: I don't behavior with this guy. Of course it would

1821
01:28:03,000 --> 01:28:05,240
Speaker 1: could like of course it would. Of course it would.

1822
01:28:05,680 --> 01:28:08,920
Speaker 1: So that doesn't mean in any way that he is

1823
01:28:09,000 --> 01:28:11,920
Speaker 1: guilty of this. But we're talking about somebody who's had

1824
01:28:11,960 --> 01:28:16,439
Speaker 1: a series of problems with law enforcement, specifically related to

1825
01:28:16,600 --> 01:28:20,479
Speaker 1: what is excuse me, specifically related to the type of

1826
01:28:20,600 --> 01:28:22,519
Speaker 1: thing that is being alleged here.

1827
01:28:23,000 --> 01:28:24,599
Speaker 4: Something to keep in mind as this goes forward.

1828
01:28:24,720 --> 01:28:27,080
Speaker 2: So Tee McGregor's lawyers have been making the case that

1829
01:28:27,200 --> 01:28:30,400
Speaker 2: she's an extortionist, and that they're really leaning on that

1830
01:28:30,560 --> 01:28:34,200
Speaker 2: CCTV footage which shows her kissing McGregor and holding his

1831
01:28:34,360 --> 01:28:36,639
Speaker 2: arm in an elevator not long after the alleged incident

1832
01:28:36,720 --> 01:28:40,280
Speaker 2: took place. She also text message and phone records showed

1833
01:28:40,320 --> 01:28:43,080
Speaker 2: her reaching out to him multiple times in the couple

1834
01:28:43,200 --> 01:28:45,800
Speaker 2: hours afterwards, which she said she doesn't remember doing. So

1835
01:28:46,160 --> 01:28:48,360
Speaker 2: it's a tough situation, you know, we can't figure it

1836
01:28:48,400 --> 01:28:50,439
Speaker 2: out from here, Luke. But we're not going to see

1837
01:28:50,479 --> 01:28:52,479
Speaker 2: McGregor in court or anything like that, right, this will

1838
01:28:52,479 --> 01:28:53,879
Speaker 2: all be handled remotely.

1839
01:28:55,400 --> 01:28:56,640
Speaker 1: What do you mean remotely is he?

1840
01:28:57,120 --> 01:28:58,000
Speaker 2: Is he in the courtroom?

1841
01:28:58,200 --> 01:29:01,000
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh oh, I was a that he isn't

1842
01:29:01,000 --> 01:29:02,960
Speaker 1: speaking to the media, but they've got pictures of him

1843
01:29:03,040 --> 01:29:05,400
Speaker 1: going in and out of the courtroom every single day. Yeah,

1844
01:29:05,560 --> 01:29:06,320
Speaker 1: for sure he's there.

1845
01:29:07,040 --> 01:29:09,120
Speaker 2: And that some people pulled up on the internet was

1846
01:29:09,160 --> 01:29:11,439
Speaker 2: back when Ariel Hawani in twenty twenty, ahead of the

1847
01:29:11,760 --> 01:29:15,240
Speaker 2: big comeback against Cowboy Saroni, when Ariol sat down with

1848
01:29:15,680 --> 01:29:18,400
Speaker 2: Connor First Sports Center for a one on one and

1849
01:29:18,520 --> 01:29:20,559
Speaker 2: it was the first chance we got to hear Connor

1850
01:29:21,040 --> 01:29:24,519
Speaker 2: address the allegations going back to twenty eighteen of what

1851
01:29:24,680 --> 01:29:26,479
Speaker 2: this trial is all about. Let's take a look back.

1852
01:29:26,800 --> 01:29:29,559
Speaker 2: Last question on this. Can you say, as your manager said,

1853
01:29:29,560 --> 01:29:32,679
Speaker 2: and your your your legal team has said, you deny

1854
01:29:32,760 --> 01:29:34,120
Speaker 2: any of these allegations that I've.

1855
01:29:34,040 --> 01:29:40,960
Speaker 9: Been Yes, of course, of course, yes, m you seriously

1856
01:29:42,240 --> 01:29:46,400
Speaker 9: time time players just time, that's all time time hotel

1857
01:29:46,479 --> 01:29:46,920
Speaker 9: on him.

1858
01:29:47,800 --> 01:29:52,400
Speaker 2: And then I just see, So take that for whatever

1859
01:29:52,520 --> 01:29:55,560
Speaker 2: that's worth to you, Luke. But don't forget ahead of

1860
01:29:55,600 --> 01:29:58,519
Speaker 2: that cowboy fight. It was all about family man McGregor, right,

1861
01:29:58,680 --> 01:30:01,320
Speaker 2: the baby face, he's back our lives. That seemed very

1862
01:30:01,920 --> 01:30:06,080
Speaker 2: aggressively planned, but that is what it is. Let's go

1863
01:30:06,160 --> 01:30:08,000
Speaker 2: to topic number five. You know what else? It is

1864
01:30:08,080 --> 01:30:10,960
Speaker 2: what it is depending on what side you were on

1865
01:30:11,120 --> 01:30:15,280
Speaker 2: the twenty twenty four US presidential election. Donald Trump's back

1866
01:30:15,320 --> 01:30:19,160
Speaker 2: for a second term. If your team won, congratulations, But Luke,

1867
01:30:19,320 --> 01:30:22,720
Speaker 2: there's a lot of conversation being had about what this

1868
01:30:23,000 --> 01:30:28,000
Speaker 2: win for UFC friendly Donald Trump means for the promotion

1869
01:30:28,640 --> 01:30:34,000
Speaker 2: TKO Global, the parent company, and all of that. How

1870
01:30:34,080 --> 01:30:37,840
Speaker 2: do you want to address this, Luke, because this does

1871
01:30:38,000 --> 01:30:42,519
Speaker 2: have from a business standpoint, a lot of tentacles of

1872
01:30:42,640 --> 01:30:45,760
Speaker 2: what this could mean. How are you seeing it as

1873
01:30:45,840 --> 01:30:47,280
Speaker 2: we approach the new norm?

1874
01:30:47,680 --> 01:30:50,599
Speaker 1: I would say, let's keep this conversation brief and directed

1875
01:30:50,720 --> 01:30:53,880
Speaker 1: specifically to UFC's business. We're not going to talk literally

1876
01:30:53,920 --> 01:30:55,880
Speaker 1: about anything else, and we're going to keep it brief.

1877
01:30:56,520 --> 01:30:59,519
Speaker 1: I would offer fans three ways to think about this,

1878
01:31:00,720 --> 01:31:02,960
Speaker 1: and it would depend on your perspective. These could all

1879
01:31:03,040 --> 01:31:04,920
Speaker 1: be good things, these could be bad things. You get

1880
01:31:04,960 --> 01:31:07,840
Speaker 1: to decide. But I do think you're we're asking. Dana

1881
01:31:07,880 --> 01:31:13,240
Speaker 1: White was there when Donald Trump was basically declared the victor,

1882
01:31:13,240 --> 01:31:15,280
Speaker 1: when it was obvious he was going to win. Dana

1883
01:31:15,360 --> 01:31:17,400
Speaker 1: White got to speak that night next to him, he

1884
01:31:17,520 --> 01:31:19,560
Speaker 1: was there with Elon Musk at morro A Lago like

1885
01:31:19,640 --> 01:31:21,920
Speaker 1: I want to hear him, Luke, I'm sorry on what

1886
01:31:22,360 --> 01:31:23,840
Speaker 1: I said. Do you want to hear him speak? We

1887
01:31:23,960 --> 01:31:25,080
Speaker 1: got that, Yeah, play it.

1888
01:31:26,080 --> 01:31:28,519
Speaker 12: Nobody deserves this more than him, and nobody deserves this

1889
01:31:28,640 --> 01:31:32,680
Speaker 12: more than his family does. This is what happens when

1890
01:31:32,760 --> 01:31:35,519
Speaker 12: the machine comes after you. What you've seen over the

1891
01:31:35,640 --> 01:31:38,799
Speaker 12: last several years, this is what it looks like. Couldn't

1892
01:31:38,800 --> 01:31:41,920
Speaker 12: stop him. He keeps going forward. He doesn't quit. He's

1893
01:31:41,960 --> 01:31:44,320
Speaker 12: the most resilient, hard working man I've ever met in

1894
01:31:44,360 --> 01:31:47,519
Speaker 12: my life. His family are incredible people. This is karmel

1895
01:31:47,640 --> 01:31:48,439
Speaker 12: ladies and gentlemen.

1896
01:31:48,640 --> 01:31:49,360
Speaker 4: He deserves this.

1897
01:31:49,840 --> 01:31:54,599
Speaker 12: They deserve it as a family. I want to thank

1898
01:31:54,600 --> 01:31:56,240
Speaker 12: you some people real quick. I want to bet the

1899
01:31:56,320 --> 01:32:01,479
Speaker 12: nel Poys Aiden Ross THEO ball bottle with the boys,

1900
01:32:01,640 --> 01:32:05,480
Speaker 12: and last but not least, the mighty and powerful.

1901
01:32:05,160 --> 01:32:06,080
Speaker 1: Joe Rogan.

1902
01:32:08,600 --> 01:32:09,800
Speaker 12: And thank you America.

1903
01:32:10,200 --> 01:32:15,600
Speaker 1: Thank you, have a good night. The worlds are intertwined.

1904
01:32:15,640 --> 01:32:17,559
Speaker 1: There's simply no way to deny it at this point,

1905
01:32:17,600 --> 01:32:18,120
Speaker 1: but I'm not now.

1906
01:32:18,200 --> 01:32:20,759
Speaker 2: You boys got a shout out on the presidential stage.

1907
01:32:20,880 --> 01:32:23,080
Speaker 1: Can you believe it? Can you believe? It's incredible? Okay,

1908
01:32:23,200 --> 01:32:24,679
Speaker 1: but we're not even gonna talk about any of that stuff.

1909
01:32:24,680 --> 01:32:26,400
Speaker 1: We're just gonna focus on what does this mean for

1910
01:32:26,479 --> 01:32:29,880
Speaker 1: the UFC's business. I would say three things and then

1911
01:32:29,880 --> 01:32:30,600
Speaker 1: we can just move on.

1912
01:32:31,200 --> 01:32:31,400
Speaker 6: One.

1913
01:32:31,840 --> 01:32:34,439
Speaker 1: If people had any concerns about Hamszot's ability to enter

1914
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Speaker 1: the US, I think that those should be elated at

1915
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Speaker 1: this point. I would imagine he'll be in you know, again,

1916
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Speaker 1: I don't know if he'll do it day one or

1917
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Speaker 1: something BC, but probably in short order. If they want

1918
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Speaker 1: Hamsat fighting first quarter in the United States, I suspect

1919
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Speaker 1: that that is a foregone conclusion at that point, which, by.

1920
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Speaker 4: The way, could be very good for fans.

1921
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Speaker 1: I mean, obviously is great for fans, right, I mean,

1922
01:32:54,120 --> 01:32:55,559
Speaker 1: it's hard to deny that that would be a bad

1923
01:32:55,600 --> 01:32:57,519
Speaker 1: thing for FAI or to be a good thing for fans.

1924
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Speaker 1: That's the first thing i'd say. Second thing I'd say, yeah.

1925
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Speaker 1: Second thing i'd say is, you know, I don't know

1926
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Speaker 1: who Obviously, we don't know who Trump is going to

1927
01:33:06,320 --> 01:33:08,599
Speaker 1: appoint at the FTC or the Department of Justice, which

1928
01:33:08,600 --> 01:33:12,280
Speaker 1: are the two arms of anti trust. But depending on

1929
01:33:12,360 --> 01:33:15,599
Speaker 1: what TKO does into in terms of getting into boxing,

1930
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Speaker 1: I would imagine that any concerns related to anti trust

1931
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Speaker 1: that they might have would probably be not super significant

1932
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Speaker 1: at this point. Right, You've got the your I mean,

1933
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Speaker 1: I don't know if Trump and Dan are best friends,

1934
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Speaker 1: but they're obviously very close. Whatever Dana's business interests are,

1935
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Speaker 1: I'm going to guess to some extent are going to

1936
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Speaker 1: be protected by the letter of the law at this point.

1937
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Speaker 1: So I really don't know if there's really anything to

1938
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Speaker 1: say about if TKO just becomes this like the entire

1939
01:33:42,160 --> 01:33:45,400
Speaker 1: combat sports industry, would there be enforcement of that? I

1940
01:33:45,400 --> 01:33:48,720
Speaker 1: would suspect probably not. Also something to think about BC.

1941
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Speaker 1: We've seen this the NBA in conjunction with UFC, in

1942
01:33:52,600 --> 01:33:56,360
Speaker 1: conjunction with NFL and Major League Baseball. They've written Congress

1943
01:33:56,439 --> 01:34:02,080
Speaker 1: many times about concerns over piracy and getting down on

1944
01:34:02,160 --> 01:34:05,639
Speaker 1: them and copyright enforcement. Now that's not expressly a UFC thing,

1945
01:34:06,280 --> 01:34:08,920
Speaker 1: but I do wonder if we might see a renewed

1946
01:34:08,960 --> 01:34:14,000
Speaker 1: push on potential copyright or illegal streaming piracy enforcement something

1947
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Speaker 1: to think about as well. And then last but not least,

1948
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Speaker 1: not a big part of this at all, but something

1949
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Speaker 1: to consider. Like every president who comes through, he's probably

1950
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Speaker 1: going to have new members of the NLRB, National Labor

1951
01:34:27,160 --> 01:34:29,519
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ, my brain's not even working anymore, National Labor

1952
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Speaker 1: Review Board. They this was essentially with people who would

1953
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Speaker 1: be in charge of, in certain cases anyway disputes over

1954
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Speaker 1: labor practices or employers breaking them, or things like that.

1955
01:34:43,479 --> 01:34:45,599
Speaker 1: You might recall Leslie Smith tried to take her case

1956
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Speaker 1: to the NLRB in twenty eighteen, ultimately went nowhere. I

1957
01:34:50,320 --> 01:34:52,439
Speaker 1: don't anticipate that this would be something that we would

1958
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Speaker 1: go down, but to the extent that we would, there's

1959
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Speaker 1: going to be a lot of people who in these

1960
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Speaker 1: positions who are going to be appointed by the incoming president,

1961
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Speaker 1: which is quite normal thing. Again, I just don't imagine

1962
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Speaker 1: that any if there was any consideration around labor practices

1963
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Speaker 1: that would be unfavorable towards the UFC, or to your

1964
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Speaker 1: point more broadly, TKO, I would imagine a lot of

1965
01:35:15,720 --> 01:35:17,640
Speaker 1: that's probably going to go away, or at least not

1966
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Speaker 1: be a significant factor for at a bare minimum the

1967
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Speaker 1: next four years and potentially longer. So that those are

1968
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Speaker 1: the things I would be spotlighting for the present moment.

1969
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Speaker 2: All right, quick update, by the way, on the UFC

1970
01:35:27,439 --> 01:35:30,439
Speaker 2: Fight Night Apex weigh ins. According to Long Island. Luke

1971
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Speaker 2: Rener de rit Or made weight at one hundred and

1972
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Speaker 2: eighty five pounds, so he's in for his UFC debut.

1973
01:35:35,360 --> 01:35:38,800
Speaker 2: And Zach Skrogan, who was scheduled to make his UFC debut,

1974
01:35:38,920 --> 01:35:42,720
Speaker 2: took the fight on three days notice against Eli Zuzeleski

1975
01:35:42,800 --> 01:35:45,280
Speaker 2: do Do Santos and he missed weight. He weighed in

1976
01:35:45,360 --> 01:35:47,880
Speaker 2: at one seventy four for that one hundred and seventy

1977
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Speaker 2: pound fight. So, I mean, look, do you agree with

1978
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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, final angle on here of the

1979
01:35:56,840 --> 01:36:00,720
Speaker 2: idea that like the UFC supporting a in a way

1980
01:36:00,720 --> 01:36:03,560
Speaker 2: that we haven't seen like a sports league do in

1981
01:36:03,600 --> 01:36:05,599
Speaker 2: a lot of ways was the friendship of course between

1982
01:36:05,640 --> 01:36:08,360
Speaker 2: Donald Trump and Dana White, but that this really will

1983
01:36:08,400 --> 01:36:10,479
Speaker 2: help TKO and UFC down the road, and it was

1984
01:36:10,479 --> 01:36:12,519
Speaker 2: almost strategic in a sense to go to the level

1985
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Speaker 2: of they did, of the walkouts and all that.

1986
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, listen, I don't think I mean the

1987
01:36:15,760 --> 01:36:17,599
Speaker 1: answer to that is obviously yes, I don't. I hope

1988
01:36:17,640 --> 01:36:22,599
Speaker 1: folks understand that that's not a nefarious interpretation. Like, of course,

1989
01:36:22,800 --> 01:36:25,280
Speaker 1: powerful people want to get into business with each other

1990
01:36:25,800 --> 01:36:28,759
Speaker 1: because they might like each other because they have similar interests,

1991
01:36:28,880 --> 01:36:31,760
Speaker 1: of course, but also they have similar business interests, or

1992
01:36:31,760 --> 01:36:34,920
Speaker 1: they have overlapping business interests, or whatever the case may be.

1993
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Speaker 1: It like powerful people get involved with other powerful people,

1994
01:36:38,600 --> 01:36:40,840
Speaker 1: not just because they want to be buddies. You know,

1995
01:36:41,200 --> 01:36:44,560
Speaker 1: there's obviously significantly more to it, And so do I

1996
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Speaker 1: think that that is the primary factor.

1997
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Speaker 4: I have no way of knowing. I have no way

1998
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Speaker 4: of knowing.

1999
01:36:48,160 --> 01:36:52,200
Speaker 1: But do I think that having a climate, a regulatory

2000
01:36:52,280 --> 01:36:56,000
Speaker 1: climate that might be favorable to TKO's interests short and

2001
01:36:56,040 --> 01:36:58,800
Speaker 1: potentially long term would be part of any Trump administration.

2002
01:36:58,920 --> 01:37:00,600
Speaker 4: I just don't know how you could say otherwise.

2003
01:37:00,640 --> 01:37:02,880
Speaker 2: I think that's probably I'm not into the rumors I'm

2004
01:37:02,880 --> 01:37:05,519
Speaker 2: hearing of a war machine, pardon not interested in that.

2005
01:37:05,920 --> 01:37:08,080
Speaker 2: But you do get people saying, are we going to

2006
01:37:08,160 --> 01:37:10,760
Speaker 2: get UFC fight night on the presidential lawn. I don't

2007
01:37:10,800 --> 01:37:13,640
Speaker 2: think we'll get that either. How about this scenario. You

2008
01:37:13,720 --> 01:37:15,200
Speaker 2: do get a lot of people saying, and I've actually

2009
01:37:15,240 --> 01:37:18,519
Speaker 2: been saying it even before Trump in twenty sixteen, that

2010
01:37:18,920 --> 01:37:21,200
Speaker 2: I just get this feeling like Dana has a future

2011
01:37:21,240 --> 01:37:25,360
Speaker 2: in politics, and I think that's escalated by the proximity

2012
01:37:25,479 --> 01:37:27,880
Speaker 2: to the president that he's had, or the President elect

2013
01:37:28,040 --> 01:37:30,120
Speaker 2: and all of that. But Dana White was interviewed by

2014
01:37:30,160 --> 01:37:32,719
Speaker 2: the Sports Business Journal after the results of the election,

2015
01:37:33,320 --> 01:37:37,680
Speaker 2: and Dana downplayed any future role in Trump's administration as

2016
01:37:37,720 --> 01:37:40,280
Speaker 2: like an official title, by saying Donald Trump is one

2017
01:37:40,320 --> 01:37:41,920
Speaker 2: of my very good friends. He did a great job

2018
01:37:42,000 --> 01:37:44,080
Speaker 2: in his last term as president, and I know people

2019
01:37:44,160 --> 01:37:46,240
Speaker 2: do an even better job the next four years. But

2020
01:37:46,360 --> 01:37:50,360
Speaker 2: I have no personal political aspiration, so that's interesting to hear.

2021
01:37:50,680 --> 01:37:53,840
Speaker 2: We do have video though of Dana from that marri

2022
01:37:53,960 --> 01:37:56,479
Speaker 2: Lago victory party. He did say something very controversial. I

2023
01:37:56,479 --> 01:37:57,360
Speaker 2: want to get your reaction to.

2024
01:38:03,680 --> 01:38:07,120
Speaker 12: As an educated adult who knows the fight business, you

2025
01:38:07,280 --> 01:38:10,000
Speaker 12: cannot deny that while John Jones is active, he is

2026
01:38:10,080 --> 01:38:10,960
Speaker 12: the greatest fighter.

2027
01:38:12,160 --> 01:38:16,599
Speaker 1: I mean, wrong platform, but you know the message I was, well, listen,

2028
01:38:16,720 --> 01:38:19,200
Speaker 1: you know what disciplined stays on message.

2029
01:38:19,520 --> 01:38:22,000
Speaker 4: Disciplined. Maybe he does have a political future, you know.

2030
01:38:22,280 --> 01:38:24,519
Speaker 2: And finally to hit your point on the idea of

2031
01:38:24,680 --> 01:38:28,280
Speaker 2: certain fighters maybe getting visas or opportunities to come to

2032
01:38:28,360 --> 01:38:31,000
Speaker 2: this country where in the past it was politically difficult.

2033
01:38:31,080 --> 01:38:34,479
Speaker 2: Hamza Himayav was with Kevinioli dot Com for an interview

2034
01:38:34,520 --> 01:38:36,439
Speaker 2: and this topic did come up. Let's listen in.

2035
01:38:36,880 --> 01:38:38,639
Speaker 1: Can you fight anywhere in the world? Can you fight

2036
01:38:38,720 --> 01:38:40,400
Speaker 1: in the US? Of course? Yeah?

2037
01:38:40,920 --> 01:38:44,240
Speaker 10: Let Donald Trump wind a fight now, so I will

2038
01:38:44,360 --> 01:38:44,560
Speaker 10: be that.

2039
01:38:46,880 --> 01:38:48,400
Speaker 1: I don't know what that means though, What does that

2040
01:38:48,479 --> 01:38:51,560
Speaker 1: mean that he could have because of Treasury sanctions that

2041
01:38:51,760 --> 01:38:55,240
Speaker 1: might have been he might have. It is widely believed

2042
01:38:55,280 --> 01:38:57,000
Speaker 1: he would be unable to enter the United States, but

2043
01:38:57,040 --> 01:38:58,600
Speaker 1: those are sanctions from a different administration.

2044
01:38:58,680 --> 01:39:01,800
Speaker 4: I suspect that in particular, or you know, some kind

2045
01:39:01,800 --> 01:39:02,800
Speaker 4: of waiver will be given.

2046
01:39:03,720 --> 01:39:06,760
Speaker 1: I would I would be very surprised if Hamsa doesn't

2047
01:39:06,800 --> 01:39:08,200
Speaker 1: fight in the United States next year.

2048
01:39:08,240 --> 01:39:11,120
Speaker 2: I mean, maybe Ramza Kadirov's boys will get a chance

2049
01:39:11,160 --> 01:39:11,639
Speaker 2: in the UFC.

2050
01:39:11,800 --> 01:39:14,080
Speaker 4: Now, I think, you know what, it's a new world BC.

2051
01:39:14,320 --> 01:39:15,160
Speaker 4: We're gonna find out.

2052
01:39:15,280 --> 01:39:17,360
Speaker 2: That's let's do it. Look, are you wearing a hoodie

2053
01:39:17,960 --> 01:39:21,519
Speaker 2: or a turtleneck because you're kind of given me Ben

2054
01:39:21,600 --> 01:39:24,320
Speaker 2: the Baine Davis meets Mike Coppinger vibes right now, Oh

2055
01:39:24,400 --> 01:39:28,400
Speaker 2: it's a hoodie or yeah, don't do turtlenecks. Adult male

2056
01:39:28,479 --> 01:39:30,519
Speaker 2: should reconsider turtle necks and bow ties.

2057
01:39:30,560 --> 01:39:32,200
Speaker 1: In my opinion, you know, I don't mind wearing a

2058
01:39:32,240 --> 01:39:34,560
Speaker 1: turtleneck if you're like you're gonna go skiing and you

2059
01:39:34,640 --> 01:39:36,519
Speaker 1: need something to cover up a little bit or something

2060
01:39:36,600 --> 01:39:36,760
Speaker 1: like that.

2061
01:39:36,880 --> 01:39:39,479
Speaker 4: But you know that just sounds very wide. If you're

2062
01:39:39,479 --> 01:39:43,040
Speaker 4: gonna go skiing, wear a turtle Never I was hoping

2063
01:39:43,080 --> 01:39:43,759
Speaker 4: it was a turtle.

2064
01:39:43,680 --> 01:39:45,719
Speaker 2: Neck, just so I could do Bob aaram Coppinger jokes

2065
01:39:45,760 --> 01:39:46,559
Speaker 2: on you. You know what I mean.

2066
01:39:46,840 --> 01:39:47,840
Speaker 1: Shot the fuck up?

2067
01:39:48,200 --> 01:39:50,760
Speaker 2: He love Frank. Let's go over to a segment that

2068
01:39:50,880 --> 01:39:54,160
Speaker 2: gives you, the viewer, a chance to dunk on us

2069
01:39:54,280 --> 01:39:56,320
Speaker 2: if we was wrong at all and anything we said

2070
01:39:56,360 --> 01:39:59,479
Speaker 2: in the past week on these microphones. We don't have

2071
01:39:59,600 --> 01:40:01,600
Speaker 2: any the nation at the moment for this, but you

2072
01:40:01,680 --> 01:40:05,519
Speaker 2: can email, of course Morning Coombat at gmail dot com,

2073
01:40:05,880 --> 01:40:08,200
Speaker 2: where every Friday we hit you up with dead wrongs

2074
01:40:08,240 --> 01:40:10,680
Speaker 2: and some fan subs. But right now it's time for

2075
01:40:10,800 --> 01:40:14,000
Speaker 2: us to go on trial. This year is dead wrong

2076
01:40:14,840 --> 01:40:17,800
Speaker 2: number one here from Nicholas. He says, Hey, guys, Nick

2077
01:40:17,840 --> 01:40:21,040
Speaker 2: from Virginia is back on the attack. On Monday's episode,

2078
01:40:21,280 --> 01:40:23,800
Speaker 2: when discussing if Max Holloway has a shot at getting

2079
01:40:23,920 --> 01:40:27,960
Speaker 2: and winning the undisputed lightweight title, BC made the egregious

2080
01:40:28,080 --> 01:40:31,320
Speaker 2: claim that Kenny Florian received a title shot on day

2081
01:40:31,400 --> 01:40:34,439
Speaker 2: one at one hundred and forty five pounds BC, You

2082
01:40:34,600 --> 01:40:38,360
Speaker 2: big dummy. That is inaccurate. As a big fan of

2083
01:40:38,520 --> 01:40:41,840
Speaker 2: Ken Flows, I know he fought Diego Nuness as his

2084
01:40:42,040 --> 01:40:46,720
Speaker 2: introduction one, which he won, then got the opportunity to

2085
01:40:46,800 --> 01:40:49,760
Speaker 2: fight Aldo for the belt. Side note, after Kenny lost

2086
01:40:49,840 --> 01:40:52,400
Speaker 2: in the finals at Tough one and then began fighting

2087
01:40:52,400 --> 01:40:54,439
Speaker 2: in the UFC, I thought he was your run of

2088
01:40:54,479 --> 01:40:57,639
Speaker 2: the mill, obnoxious New Englander. Then when I met him

2089
01:40:57,640 --> 01:41:00,439
Speaker 2: circa two thousand and six at one of the bjjsons

2090
01:41:00,640 --> 01:41:03,320
Speaker 2: in my sister state of Tennessee, I learned he's a

2091
01:41:03,439 --> 01:41:06,000
Speaker 2: really cool dude, and it makes it easy to become

2092
01:41:06,040 --> 01:41:09,880
Speaker 2: a fan of him. Thank you Nicholas for that. Yeah,

2093
01:41:10,000 --> 01:41:12,080
Speaker 2: I forgot about that. I thought he I really thought

2094
01:41:12,080 --> 01:41:13,519
Speaker 2: he'd fall for the title in his first flight.

2095
01:41:13,640 --> 01:41:15,040
Speaker 4: I forgot about it too, But he's right.

2096
01:41:15,400 --> 01:41:17,599
Speaker 2: Maybe I'm just a big asshole. Let's go to number two.

2097
01:41:17,680 --> 01:41:20,679
Speaker 2: This is from Casey, he says on the September fifth episode,

2098
01:41:20,680 --> 01:41:23,240
Speaker 2: at around thirty minutes and thirty two seconds. Luke referred

2099
01:41:23,280 --> 01:41:27,720
Speaker 2: to GSP's classic Oscar Worthy performance in Captain America the

2100
01:41:27,800 --> 01:41:32,479
Speaker 2: Winter Soldier as Balrog. Although I can tell Luke must

2101
01:41:32,520 --> 01:41:35,559
Speaker 2: have been at least slightly familiar with the Street Fighter series.

2102
01:41:35,880 --> 01:41:39,640
Speaker 2: He's dead wrong GSP was actually playing the character Battrock

2103
01:41:39,880 --> 01:41:43,320
Speaker 2: in that movie. The names might be similar, but Luke

2104
01:41:43,400 --> 01:41:46,599
Speaker 2: clearly should have spent less time shotgunning PBRs at frat

2105
01:41:46,760 --> 01:41:50,240
Speaker 2: parties and more time in the comic book stores and arcades.

2106
01:41:50,560 --> 01:41:54,040
Speaker 4: All right, that would have been a lot more fun shots.

2107
01:41:53,680 --> 01:41:56,320
Speaker 2: Fired at the Greek life. I'm down for that for sure.

2108
01:41:56,960 --> 01:42:01,320
Speaker 2: I'll let's go to Steven here, he says, greetings and salutations.

2109
01:42:01,320 --> 01:42:04,679
Speaker 2: I'm writing to contribute to Dead Wrong. On Monday, November fourteenth,

2110
01:42:04,720 --> 01:42:07,240
Speaker 2: that two twenty five, Brian claims that Luke was diagnosed

2111
01:42:07,280 --> 01:42:10,320
Speaker 2: with chlamydio over the weekend. Luke goes on to say,

2112
01:42:10,479 --> 01:42:14,799
Speaker 2: I don't have the clap note. The clap is gone. Rhea.

2113
01:42:15,080 --> 01:42:19,360
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, yes, he's so. I'm not sure if

2114
01:42:19,439 --> 01:42:21,120
Speaker 2: Luke is a dullard or if he was trying to

2115
01:42:21,200 --> 01:42:23,360
Speaker 2: hide the fact that he does in fact have chlamydia

2116
01:42:23,840 --> 01:42:26,360
Speaker 2: and was trying to seek one guy Brian. In any event,

2117
01:42:26,560 --> 01:42:28,599
Speaker 2: I wish for the issue to be addressed. Yeah, take

2118
01:42:28,640 --> 01:42:29,200
Speaker 2: that out of Luke.

2119
01:42:29,240 --> 01:42:32,760
Speaker 4: Okay, apparently, well ship damn all.

2120
01:42:32,760 --> 01:42:35,800
Speaker 2: Right, our final one comes at me from Ben, he says.

2121
01:42:35,880 --> 01:42:40,679
Speaker 2: On Friday's episode. During fan subs b C aka TMU,

2122
01:42:40,840 --> 01:42:46,599
Speaker 2: Randy Couture said that Masks starred Eric Roberts. Everyone worth

2123
01:42:46,680 --> 01:42:49,519
Speaker 2: their weight in gas Station Glizzies know that it was

2124
01:42:49,760 --> 01:42:52,000
Speaker 2: Eric Stalts, not Eric Roberts.

2125
01:42:52,280 --> 01:42:53,479
Speaker 4: That's a good poll though.

2126
01:42:53,680 --> 01:42:57,960
Speaker 2: Julia Roberts, big bro. That was in our favorite eighties

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Speaker 2: TV terror Jerker. Love you guys, Ben, So, Yeah, Eric

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Speaker 2: Roberts is the dude from Remember he was in that

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01:43:04,120 --> 01:43:05,880
Speaker 2: movie with Stallone where he's the bad guy. He was

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01:43:05,920 --> 01:43:07,000
Speaker 2: a badass in that movie.

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01:43:08,880 --> 01:43:09,800
Speaker 1: Wait what movie is that?

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Speaker 2: I don't know, let me look that up.

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Speaker 4: Eric Roberts was like, he's the He's the brother of

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01:43:14,760 --> 01:43:15,840
Speaker 4: Julia Roberts.

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Speaker 2: Right, yes, yes, and he's a very talented actor himself.

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Speaker 3: Specialist was the Specialist?

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Speaker 2: Was the movie I'm talking about? Was Stallone? You remember

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01:43:22,880 --> 01:43:23,120
Speaker 2: that one?

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01:43:23,200 --> 01:43:24,840
Speaker 1: Luke, I didn't see that one?

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01:43:25,400 --> 01:43:27,760
Speaker 2: All right? Well, by the way, Eric Roberts has been

2141
01:43:27,760 --> 01:43:28,720
Speaker 2: in a million other things.

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Speaker 4: He was in He was in Dark Knight. He was

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01:43:30,560 --> 01:43:31,920
Speaker 4: one of the gangsters in Dark Knight.

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01:43:32,479 --> 01:43:37,520
Speaker 2: Yes, he was in uh uh yeah, The Specialist, Final Analysis,

2145
01:43:37,840 --> 01:43:40,000
Speaker 2: The Cable Guy, National Security.

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01:43:39,640 --> 01:43:42,640
Speaker 4: Of Cable guy, such an underrated hit.

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01:43:42,960 --> 01:43:45,080
Speaker 2: Yes, I saw that on a first date, Luke. I

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01:43:45,160 --> 01:43:47,200
Speaker 2: never got a second one, though. Let's tell you that

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01:43:47,439 --> 01:43:50,800
Speaker 2: right there, right, so there's your dead wrongs right there.

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01:43:53,640 --> 01:43:55,519
Speaker 2: We got one more segment where you get your and

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01:43:55,600 --> 01:43:57,439
Speaker 2: not by the way I hear you, there's people out

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01:43:57,439 --> 01:43:59,680
Speaker 2: there that hate fan subs. They don't want to see

2153
01:43:59,760 --> 01:44:02,720
Speaker 2: type T shirts on Solar's family, they don't want to

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01:44:02,760 --> 01:44:07,800
Speaker 2: see artwork. Well you know what, fall that's what?

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01:44:08,680 --> 01:44:08,760
Speaker 3: Right?

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01:44:08,800 --> 01:44:11,240
Speaker 2: No, I'm kidding, don't kid, Maybe just turn off your

2157
01:44:11,360 --> 01:44:15,880
Speaker 2: station then, as Mike Tyson said, because this is fan submissions.

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01:44:17,120 --> 01:44:20,240
Speaker 1: You've got mail fures.

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01:44:21,600 --> 01:44:24,320
Speaker 2: All right. Our first entry did not put a name down,

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01:44:24,840 --> 01:44:28,920
Speaker 2: but they say rate my tattoo, Luke. So, Luke, what

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01:44:29,000 --> 01:44:29,360
Speaker 2: do you think?

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01:44:29,439 --> 01:44:33,479
Speaker 1: Here's very very good, very very good.

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01:44:35,280 --> 01:44:36,599
Speaker 4: It's like a geometric tattoo.

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01:44:36,760 --> 01:44:39,960
Speaker 1: It's again, without being up close, it's hard to judge

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01:44:40,000 --> 01:44:42,360
Speaker 1: all the line work, but from this far away it

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01:44:42,479 --> 01:44:44,120
Speaker 1: looks really really really well done.

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01:44:44,320 --> 01:44:45,960
Speaker 2: Really you go as far as seven and a half

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Speaker 2: out of ten.

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01:44:47,280 --> 01:44:50,200
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I would, I would again, not a tattoo

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Speaker 1: I would personally want, but nevertheless a very very good one.

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01:44:53,560 --> 01:44:55,880
Speaker 2: Okay, what about that same tattoo, but working in the

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01:44:56,000 --> 01:44:58,200
Speaker 2: DC flag pattern in the middle there.

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01:44:59,600 --> 01:45:03,960
Speaker 1: The with the three stars and all that. No, if

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01:45:03,960 --> 01:45:06,200
Speaker 1: you're gonna do geometric, you gotta do geometric. You gotta

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01:45:06,240 --> 01:45:06,720
Speaker 1: make it work.

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01:45:07,320 --> 01:45:09,240
Speaker 2: I'd like to see a good Jan six tattoos.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of Washington, Oh you know they existed.

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01:45:11,880 --> 01:45:13,800
Speaker 4: Those All those bubbas are about to be on the street,

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01:45:13,880 --> 01:45:15,080
Speaker 4: so you're gonna get to see a lot of that.

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Speaker 2: Hey, let's hear from Ken, he says, Hi, B. C.

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01:45:17,800 --> 01:45:19,680
Speaker 2: And Luke. As the election draws to a close, I'm

2182
01:45:19,720 --> 01:45:23,040
Speaker 2: reminded of my favorite twenty twenty presidential ticket. I had

2183
01:45:23,120 --> 01:45:27,120
Speaker 2: tickets to both Habib Tony fights in Brooklyn that were canceled.

2184
01:45:27,520 --> 01:45:30,600
Speaker 2: I got this shirt made to commemorate the fight that

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01:45:30,840 --> 01:45:31,240
Speaker 2: never was.

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01:45:31,360 --> 01:45:34,920
Speaker 1: Wow, I forgot about this one. I seen that before.

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01:45:35,000 --> 01:45:36,679
Speaker 1: But man, that is a keeper right there.

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01:45:37,000 --> 01:45:37,240
Speaker 9: Damn.

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01:45:37,320 --> 01:45:39,600
Speaker 2: I would wear the shit out of that. So shut.

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01:45:39,800 --> 01:45:42,000
Speaker 4: But didn't we come to realize that like Habib would

2191
01:45:42,000 --> 01:45:42,840
Speaker 4: have thrashed him.

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01:45:42,960 --> 01:45:45,120
Speaker 2: He would have thrashed him. Yes, And I was of

2193
01:45:45,240 --> 01:45:48,080
Speaker 2: the opposite belief through most of that run. I thought

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01:45:48,160 --> 01:45:51,759
Speaker 2: Tony was the kryptonite. Luke. I really did, I really did.

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01:45:52,240 --> 01:45:53,479
Speaker 1: A lot of people did for a while, I was

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01:45:53,560 --> 01:45:54,960
Speaker 1: curious about it, but I think in the end, I

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01:45:55,000 --> 01:45:56,240
Speaker 1: think Habib would have thrashed him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Hebib does that. Here's Ken. He says, Hey, b

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01:45:58,840 --> 01:46:01,840
Speaker 2: C and Luke, I participate in our great democracy and

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01:46:01,960 --> 01:46:04,000
Speaker 2: cast my vote for president. I wanted to vote for

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01:46:04,080 --> 01:46:07,920
Speaker 2: someone with bipartisan support who could unite this country. I

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01:46:08,000 --> 01:46:10,519
Speaker 2: wanted to vote for a great American who came from

2203
01:46:10,640 --> 01:46:14,680
Speaker 2: humble beginnings and factory town roots. This time left me

2204
01:46:14,800 --> 01:46:21,320
Speaker 2: no choice but to write in my presidential candidate. Oh yeah,

2205
01:46:22,680 --> 01:46:28,240
Speaker 2: the people have spoken, Brian the American Alpha Campbell for president.

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01:46:28,960 --> 01:46:30,000
Speaker 4: That's pretty incredible.

2207
01:46:30,000 --> 01:46:31,880
Speaker 1: I gotta admit someone voted for you for I mean,

2208
01:46:32,000 --> 01:46:37,760
Speaker 1: this person of seriously unsound judgment, but pretty you know what,

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01:46:37,920 --> 01:46:39,960
Speaker 1: You know what, this is probably my dad's ballot, if

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01:46:39,960 --> 01:46:41,800
Speaker 1: I can be honest, it's probably my dad's ballot.

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01:46:43,400 --> 01:46:46,479
Speaker 2: Thank you, Ken, Thank you for you know, letting your

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01:46:46,560 --> 01:46:49,200
Speaker 2: voice be heard and making a stand for America. I

2213
01:46:49,280 --> 01:46:52,720
Speaker 2: do appreciate that all the way. It almost makes me

2214
01:46:52,800 --> 01:46:53,680
Speaker 2: wish I voted Luke.

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01:46:53,840 --> 01:46:57,320
Speaker 1: To be fair, you know, glad you're a participant in democracy.

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01:46:57,360 --> 01:47:00,200
Speaker 2: Hey, jud Jones voted for the first time ever, got

2217
01:47:00,240 --> 01:47:04,040
Speaker 2: out to that man, Boney, let's hear from Owen. He says, Hey, guys,

2218
01:47:04,280 --> 01:47:07,320
Speaker 2: Dutch winters are beyond miserable. So I've decided to remedy

2219
01:47:07,600 --> 01:47:10,479
Speaker 2: my seasonal depression with a trip to Brazil in order

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01:47:10,560 --> 01:47:13,080
Speaker 2: to visit my dad and his family. He lives in Bahia,

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01:47:13,640 --> 01:47:16,360
Speaker 2: and as Luke Thomas used to say, once you understand

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01:47:16,400 --> 01:47:19,479
Speaker 2: what is happening from Mexico on down dot dot dot,

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01:47:19,600 --> 01:47:21,960
Speaker 2: I don't get that reference. He says, Well, I guess

2224
01:47:22,080 --> 01:47:25,960
Speaker 2: my dad understands what is happening there. Good times, good times,

2225
01:47:26,479 --> 01:47:28,639
Speaker 2: he says. Anyhow, Brazil is great. I went to see

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01:47:28,680 --> 01:47:30,720
Speaker 2: some live music, and I must say there's no better

2227
01:47:30,760 --> 01:47:34,799
Speaker 2: reminder that you are, in fact, achingly Caucasian than stepping

2228
01:47:34,880 --> 01:47:38,040
Speaker 2: onto that dance floor the day after I visited Your

2229
01:47:38,120 --> 01:47:40,439
Speaker 2: Lord and Savior BC. Let's see what we got here?

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01:47:41,160 --> 01:47:44,479
Speaker 4: Wow, and he's got the whippets in the Rby's park.

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01:47:44,680 --> 01:47:45,519
Speaker 2: What is that shirt?

2232
01:47:45,680 --> 01:47:50,880
Speaker 4: Oh my god, dude, we how are we not selling

2233
01:47:50,960 --> 01:47:53,960
Speaker 4: this shirt? Aside from my god?

2234
01:47:54,520 --> 01:47:55,120
Speaker 2: So he says.

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01:47:55,160 --> 01:47:55,200
Speaker 6: So.

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01:47:55,360 --> 01:47:58,599
Speaker 2: Owen says, now, that is obviously not official mercharm rocking.

2237
01:47:58,720 --> 01:48:02,719
Speaker 2: But if RJ Duffel average Joe where to make something

2238
01:48:02,840 --> 01:48:06,240
Speaker 2: similar I definitely wear it. I thought this picture to

2239
01:48:06,360 --> 01:48:10,640
Speaker 2: be symbolic of the journey of men inhaling aerosol canisters

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01:48:10,680 --> 01:48:13,920
Speaker 2: in a parking lot, finding redemption through Christ, and ending

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01:48:14,000 --> 01:48:16,960
Speaker 2: up on the stupidest show on the internet. What a life.

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01:48:17,320 --> 01:48:19,840
Speaker 2: I'm so happy you guys are back. Much love and

2243
01:48:19,960 --> 01:48:23,800
Speaker 2: no one says ps PC. Nobody here has heard of

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01:48:23,960 --> 01:48:26,719
Speaker 2: Middle Nag, so I think you might be onto something.

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01:48:28,240 --> 01:48:29,960
Speaker 1: I just want to say, this is it looks like

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01:48:30,120 --> 01:48:32,479
Speaker 1: the worst possible day to go see the Christ the

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01:48:32,560 --> 01:48:33,439
Speaker 1: Redeemer statue.

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01:48:33,760 --> 01:48:36,120
Speaker 4: Yes, look at the weather dude.

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01:48:36,160 --> 01:48:39,040
Speaker 1: That is so hilarious from Owen right here whippets in

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01:48:39,120 --> 01:48:40,760
Speaker 1: the back of an RB's parking lot.

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01:48:40,880 --> 01:48:42,800
Speaker 4: That is the coolest shirt I think I've ever seen.

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01:48:43,360 --> 01:48:46,080
Speaker 2: Oh, it's a true story. It happened, I mean started

2253
01:48:46,120 --> 01:48:48,160
Speaker 2: from the bottom. Luke, Now we're here, look at that.

2254
01:48:48,320 --> 01:48:51,040
Speaker 2: What a what a redemptive story. Ohen just told I'm

2255
01:48:51,080 --> 01:48:53,400
Speaker 2: down for that. I'm a presidential Canada. I mean, I

2256
01:48:53,439 --> 01:48:55,479
Speaker 2: got a lot going on today. We got one more

2257
01:48:55,560 --> 01:49:00,320
Speaker 2: from Hawaii's finest. Here's telvin Ky Poppa saying Aloha, guys,

2258
01:49:00,400 --> 01:49:03,000
Speaker 2: this is Hawaii's own And I wanted to submit my

2259
01:49:03,080 --> 01:49:11,000
Speaker 2: beautiful artwork of how Luke Thomas brushes his teeth every morning. Yes, yes,

2260
01:49:13,000 --> 01:49:14,880
Speaker 2: so it says, Hello, Luke, I have nothing but the

2261
01:49:14,920 --> 01:49:17,519
Speaker 2: best for my number one fan. Now put it in

2262
01:49:17,640 --> 01:49:21,080
Speaker 2: your mouth and it looks like Iliah's toothpaste is doubling

2263
01:49:21,160 --> 01:49:22,840
Speaker 2: as his man sauce.

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01:49:22,960 --> 01:49:23,200
Speaker 6: Luke.

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01:49:24,000 --> 01:49:27,080
Speaker 4: Also, you put the comma before the butt, not after.

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01:49:27,360 --> 01:49:32,680
Speaker 1: Idiot. However, that's a very good zing. That's a very

2267
01:49:32,840 --> 01:49:36,759
Speaker 1: very funny funny. Uh, whatever the fuck you call it graphics.

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01:49:36,840 --> 01:49:39,400
Speaker 2: So those are your fans ups for the week Morningcombat

2269
01:49:39,439 --> 01:49:42,439
Speaker 2: at gmail dot com. Is your chance reach out? Tell

2270
01:49:42,520 --> 01:49:45,040
Speaker 2: Mikey we said hi, and uh send that shit in.

2271
01:49:45,160 --> 01:49:46,680
Speaker 2: We'll see if it shows up on the show. Luke,

2272
01:49:46,680 --> 01:49:48,840
Speaker 2: would you say that fans ubs are back now? I

2273
01:49:48,880 --> 01:49:50,280
Speaker 2: mean they're back, right, They're kind of back.

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01:49:52,360 --> 01:49:53,960
Speaker 1: I think we need to let the fans have a

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01:49:54,040 --> 01:49:56,640
Speaker 1: say over how often we do them. I really believe that,

2276
01:49:56,800 --> 01:49:59,920
Speaker 1: because I do. I I'm not giving him like complete

2277
01:50:00,080 --> 01:50:03,160
Speaker 1: veto power, but I think we need to listen to them.

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01:50:03,880 --> 01:50:05,360
Speaker 1: If we do it once in a while, I think

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01:50:05,360 --> 01:50:06,800
Speaker 1: it's cool. What do you think Long Island, Luke? Once

2280
01:50:06,840 --> 01:50:08,040
Speaker 1: in a while is cool, but not every week?

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01:50:08,120 --> 01:50:08,880
Speaker 2: I stay every week.

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01:50:09,080 --> 01:50:10,840
Speaker 3: I was gonna say. I did put a poll in

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01:50:10,920 --> 01:50:13,599
Speaker 3: the chat. Now, granted, the only two choices were dead

2284
01:50:13,640 --> 01:50:16,479
Speaker 3: wrong or fan subs. But I ask people which they prefer.

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01:50:16,840 --> 01:50:19,679
Speaker 3: One hundred and ninety two votes fifty four fifty four

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01:50:19,800 --> 01:50:23,599
Speaker 3: percent prefer fan subs. So okay, it's not as bad

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01:50:23,640 --> 01:50:24,120
Speaker 3: as we think.

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01:50:24,160 --> 01:50:26,080
Speaker 2: Now, can you make one? I guess we don't have

2289
01:50:26,160 --> 01:50:27,800
Speaker 2: the time to find out if they want them every

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01:50:27,840 --> 01:50:29,920
Speaker 2: week or if they want them, you know, like.

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01:50:30,640 --> 01:50:31,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll ask that on Monday.

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01:50:32,840 --> 01:50:34,800
Speaker 1: Okay, good idea Long Island, Luke.

2293
01:50:34,920 --> 01:50:37,680
Speaker 2: So yeah, the people will speak eventually, but for now,

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01:50:37,800 --> 01:50:41,400
Speaker 2: thank you continue to send your shit in. We appreciate you, guys. Luke.

2295
01:50:41,439 --> 01:50:43,400
Speaker 2: I don't know when we're going to get that RSD couch,

2296
01:50:44,520 --> 01:50:46,679
Speaker 2: but we will get it in twenty five.

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01:50:51,960 --> 01:50:52,280
Speaker 1: I don't know.

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01:50:52,360 --> 01:50:54,759
Speaker 2: Maybe I'll just keep seeing you on Mondays and Fridays.

2299
01:50:54,840 --> 01:50:56,880
Speaker 2: But you know, it's great to be seen though, right,

2300
01:50:57,120 --> 01:50:58,080
Speaker 2: it is great to be seen.

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01:50:58,400 --> 01:51:00,679
Speaker 1: Listen. I'm happy with what we have. I certainly would

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01:51:00,800 --> 01:51:02,639
Speaker 1: like a lot more. We hope to get a lot more.

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01:51:02,840 --> 01:51:05,080
Speaker 1: I will just give people an update when we have

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01:51:05,120 --> 01:51:06,080
Speaker 1: an update to give.

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01:51:08,160 --> 01:51:11,240
Speaker 2: Social channels right there, you can follow and subscribe to

2306
01:51:11,360 --> 01:51:14,840
Speaker 2: all things personal, our YouTube channels and of course at

2307
01:51:14,920 --> 01:51:18,599
Speaker 2: Morning Combat on all socials. Thank you very much. Purchase

2308
01:51:18,680 --> 01:51:22,840
Speaker 2: our merch at Morningcombat dot store. I mean, we're trying

2309
01:51:22,880 --> 01:51:26,679
Speaker 2: to get an update on our merch situation. We are trying.

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01:51:27,280 --> 01:51:28,439
Speaker 2: There's just a little bit of that.

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01:51:28,560 --> 01:51:31,560
Speaker 1: Actually is true that I can say that very definitively,

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01:51:31,640 --> 01:51:32,800
Speaker 1: that is actually quite true.

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01:51:32,880 --> 01:51:34,559
Speaker 2: All right, we'll see what's going on. I mean, i'd

2314
01:51:34,600 --> 01:51:36,760
Speaker 2: like to. I think we got some leftover average Joe

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01:51:36,880 --> 01:51:38,600
Speaker 2: art designs that we haven't launched yet. That's what I

2316
01:51:38,720 --> 01:51:39,040
Speaker 2: hear too.

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01:51:40,160 --> 01:51:42,040
Speaker 1: I did hear that as well. Yes we have, we

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01:51:42,439 --> 01:51:44,840
Speaker 1: have listen twenty five. We got some stuff we gotta do.

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01:51:45,000 --> 01:51:45,559
Speaker 1: Put it that way.

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01:51:45,640 --> 01:51:47,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, so does this country.

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01:51:47,479 --> 01:51:47,639
Speaker 1: Luke.

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01:51:47,720 --> 01:51:49,360
Speaker 2: We'll move along with the country and grow.

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01:51:49,479 --> 01:51:51,640
Speaker 1: All right, it's gonna be what it's gonna be, baby.

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01:51:51,680 --> 01:51:54,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it is along island. Luke. One more time,

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01:51:54,400 --> 01:51:56,200
Speaker 2: thank you for your service today. Can we catch you

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01:51:56,280 --> 01:51:59,840
Speaker 2: Saturday main card minute? Maybe maybe a long rip for

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01:51:59,840 --> 01:52:00,519
Speaker 2: the people.

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01:52:00,400 --> 01:52:03,160
Speaker 3: Maybe definitely plenty of bong reps seven pm in the East.

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01:52:03,280 --> 01:52:05,479
Speaker 3: Join me and Gaff will be there watch the fights.

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01:52:05,520 --> 01:52:07,400
Speaker 2: Do you only do mma? No boxing?

2331
01:52:07,479 --> 01:52:08,519
Speaker 1: Right? No, we do boxing.

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01:52:08,520 --> 01:52:11,320
Speaker 3: I'll do Jake Paul Mike Tyson next Friday. Obviously the

2333
01:52:11,479 --> 01:52:12,080
Speaker 3: MSG card.

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01:52:12,160 --> 01:52:14,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, wuld you could you and Gaff be friends and

2335
01:52:14,720 --> 01:52:16,040
Speaker 4: do this podcast.

2336
01:52:15,640 --> 01:52:18,679
Speaker 1: If you like one have to do it sober of course.

2337
01:52:19,120 --> 01:52:21,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, they just love the game.

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01:52:21,080 --> 01:52:26,760
Speaker 2: Look, they're hardcore fans, Luke, any message at all for

2339
01:52:26,840 --> 01:52:29,320
Speaker 2: the people about you know how to carry on?

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01:52:30,479 --> 01:52:36,400
Speaker 4: We Yeah, I mean, I'm I plan on do like,

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01:52:36,720 --> 01:52:38,360
Speaker 4: I don't. What a fucking question is this?

2342
01:52:38,560 --> 01:52:41,719
Speaker 2: Like, Yeah, I'm not teeing you up for election response,

2343
01:52:41,760 --> 01:52:43,719
Speaker 2: I'm talking about life a life response.

2344
01:52:44,080 --> 01:52:46,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, buddy, listen, Like I take it with barbis Man

2345
01:52:46,760 --> 01:52:50,160
Speaker 1: one day at a time, seriously, one freaking day at

2346
01:52:50,200 --> 01:52:53,439
Speaker 1: a time. And uh, he ate today. He didn't eat

2347
01:52:53,479 --> 01:52:55,960
Speaker 1: a single thing yesterday. He ate today. So that's good news.

2348
01:52:56,080 --> 01:52:56,479
Speaker 1: That's a win.

2349
01:52:56,600 --> 01:52:57,680
Speaker 4: That's a win. That's a freaking win.

2350
01:52:57,880 --> 01:53:01,320
Speaker 2: So do you give your animals middle like I do, Luke?

2351
01:53:01,880 --> 01:53:02,920
Speaker 1: My wife does. I don't.

2352
01:53:03,400 --> 01:53:04,840
Speaker 2: So what's Barbarus's middle name?

2353
01:53:05,040 --> 01:53:07,840
Speaker 1: According to my wife, it's Barbius Camillo.

2354
01:53:08,360 --> 01:53:12,640
Speaker 2: Barbous Camillio, Camillo Camillo Meilo. I could see that on

2355
01:53:12,720 --> 01:53:14,840
Speaker 2: a T shirt too, Luke. All right, I love that.

2356
01:53:15,080 --> 01:53:15,639
Speaker 2: That's great.

2357
01:53:15,760 --> 01:53:16,360
Speaker 1: That is great.

2358
01:53:16,439 --> 01:53:18,080
Speaker 4: All right, how many animals do you have?

2359
01:53:18,400 --> 01:53:21,080
Speaker 2: I have five? I have three cats, two dogs, yeah,

2360
01:53:21,760 --> 01:53:22,400
Speaker 2: two kids, bro.

2361
01:53:23,080 --> 01:53:24,680
Speaker 1: How are you going to do it? Man? I had

2362
01:53:24,720 --> 01:53:28,000
Speaker 1: a pet die the for the third the weekend we

2363
01:53:28,080 --> 01:53:31,639
Speaker 1: flew out when Connor fought dustin the third time. Yes,

2364
01:53:32,439 --> 01:53:36,720
Speaker 1: my pet died. Then my dog died about a year

2365
01:53:36,760 --> 01:53:39,519
Speaker 1: ago plus. And now Barbis doesn't have a ton of

2366
01:53:39,560 --> 01:53:42,200
Speaker 1: time left and nearly died. Dude. It is fucking brutal

2367
01:53:42,240 --> 01:53:44,160
Speaker 1: when they go. It is fucking brutal.

2368
01:53:44,280 --> 01:53:45,360
Speaker 4: It is so terrible.

2369
01:53:46,040 --> 01:53:49,080
Speaker 2: I tend to be of the belief that you as

2370
01:53:49,120 --> 01:53:54,519
Speaker 2: irreplaceable as they are. Replacement does sometimes ease or speed

2371
01:53:54,640 --> 01:53:57,479
Speaker 2: up the grieving process. My wife's the complete opposite, you

2372
01:53:57,520 --> 01:53:57,960
Speaker 2: know what I mean?

2373
01:53:58,320 --> 01:53:59,920
Speaker 1: So, well, you have a dog die, you just replaced

2374
01:54:00,080 --> 01:54:00,559
Speaker 1: than a dog.

2375
01:54:01,280 --> 01:54:03,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's the Even though I get that there's

2376
01:54:03,680 --> 01:54:06,519
Speaker 2: issues with that system too. It does help the heart,

2377
01:54:06,680 --> 01:54:07,320
Speaker 2: it really does.

2378
01:54:08,080 --> 01:54:11,840
Speaker 4: That's like drinking to like get through grief. It doesn't

2379
01:54:11,880 --> 01:54:12,720
Speaker 4: beep shipping with the grief.

2380
01:54:12,840 --> 01:54:15,479
Speaker 2: My wife claims we'll never get another dog again because

2381
01:54:15,520 --> 01:54:17,560
Speaker 2: these two have touched our lives so much. And I

2382
01:54:17,680 --> 01:54:19,280
Speaker 2: fight every day to try to get more cats in

2383
01:54:19,320 --> 01:54:21,200
Speaker 2: this house. But it's three to one against me. The

2384
01:54:21,240 --> 01:54:23,000
Speaker 2: other people think we have enough with three.

2385
01:54:23,479 --> 01:54:25,000
Speaker 1: I don't know if this is true, but I read

2386
01:54:25,040 --> 01:54:27,400
Speaker 1: something the other day, or least when I say I read,

2387
01:54:27,479 --> 01:54:30,960
Speaker 1: I saw something like scrolling on Instagram. Yeah, that your

2388
01:54:31,240 --> 01:54:35,640
Speaker 1: your chance of getting schizophrenia from goes up if you

2389
01:54:35,800 --> 01:54:37,000
Speaker 1: if you're a cat owner.

2390
01:54:39,400 --> 01:54:42,400
Speaker 2: Is that because of the regular conversations that you ultimately

2391
01:54:42,520 --> 01:54:44,320
Speaker 2: have on a regular with the with the animal.

2392
01:54:44,400 --> 01:54:46,200
Speaker 1: And I don't know. I did again, I didn't look

2393
01:54:46,240 --> 01:54:47,920
Speaker 1: into it. I was like, yeah, that's that tracks and

2394
01:54:48,040 --> 01:54:49,560
Speaker 1: I just kept swiping, you know.

2395
01:54:49,760 --> 01:54:50,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2396
01:54:50,320 --> 01:54:52,760
Speaker 2: Do you think our audience is more dog or cat friendly?

2397
01:54:53,080 --> 01:54:56,080
Speaker 4: Oh, that's a good question. I'm gonna say dog dog.

2398
01:54:56,160 --> 01:54:58,560
Speaker 2: I like to see that pole one day long Island Luke.

2399
01:54:58,640 --> 01:55:00,400
Speaker 2: But yeah, I guess that's a Oh. I mean, what

2400
01:55:00,440 --> 01:55:02,440
Speaker 2: are we supposed to do, like end it or something.

2401
01:55:02,520 --> 01:55:03,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's get the fuck out of here.

2402
01:55:04,560 --> 01:55:08,080
Speaker 2: Hey, enjoy your weekend, folks. Enjoy the fights tonight and tomorrow.

2403
01:55:08,160 --> 01:55:10,240
Speaker 2: And you better believe we're gonna we're gonna bang next week.

2404
01:55:10,280 --> 01:55:14,920
Speaker 2: We're gonna absolutely bring it Monday and Friday, Tyson versus Paul,

2405
01:55:15,520 --> 01:55:19,600
Speaker 2: John versus Stepe. Enjoy it, check our personal channels. We've

2406
01:55:19,600 --> 01:55:22,160
Speaker 2: got a lot of great content coming out and thank

2407
01:55:22,200 --> 01:55:24,360
Speaker 2: you for everything, guys, thank you seriously, it's been a

2408
01:55:24,440 --> 01:55:26,920
Speaker 2: long journey in twenty four but we're still going, still

2409
01:55:26,960 --> 01:55:29,720
Speaker 2: go with us, okay, from the back of an Rby's

2410
01:55:29,760 --> 01:55:33,920
Speaker 2: parking lot to Christ's the Redeemer. Thank you, Owen, and

2411
01:55:34,200 --> 01:55:36,480
Speaker 2: we are out of here.