1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:04,920 Speaker 1: Your check engine light is on. Typically that's an indicator 2 00:00:04,920 --> 00:00:08,680 Speaker 1: to you know, check your engine. He's fine, it's been 3 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 1: on for like a month. It seems that the conventional 4 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 1: repair is going away. It's going away, the dinosaur folks. 5 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:19,239 Speaker 1: It is. Maybe the light's broken, the check the check 6 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:21,919 Speaker 1: engine light light, the car Doctor. And I can tell 7 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:24,639 Speaker 1: because everybody coming in the door. I need breaks. I 8 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 1: was told I need breaks, you know, lest I was 9 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 1: at he said I needed breaks. Welcome to the radio 10 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 1: home of Ron and Anian the Car Doctor. Since this 11 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 1: is where car owners the world overturned to for their 12 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:40,839 Speaker 1: definitive opinion on automotive repair. If your mechanics giving you 13 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 1: a busy signal, pick up the phone and call in 14 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 1: the garage doors are open. But I am here to 15 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 1: take your call at eight five and now maybe it's 16 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 1: just something minor. Oh good news. The life has been ounce. 17 00:00:57,040 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 1: He running. Now that's not fair. Now I have to 18 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:05,400 Speaker 1: be serious. Oh my god, that's too funny. Ronanady in 19 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 1: the Car Doctor at your service. Hello, Welcome everybody. Eight 20 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 1: zero nine zero zero. I remember that episode that was 21 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:14,840 Speaker 1: just yeah, is there a light for the check engine light? 22 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 1: Is there a check the check engine light light? Yeah, 23 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:18,760 Speaker 1: I I kind of get that, and I remember that, 24 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 1: So welcome to board. It's gonna be a fun filled 25 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:23,759 Speaker 1: two hours as we motor through for talking about your 26 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:25,399 Speaker 1: car and it's problems with whatever you got going on, 27 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:27,319 Speaker 1: and we're here to solve it for you. I want 28 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 1: to talk about a bunch of things. I promise this week, 29 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 1: somebody's gotta hold me to task. I've got to get 30 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 1: the hunter over streets email. I keep threatening to talk 31 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:36,960 Speaker 1: about it. I've done that two weeks in a round, 32 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: now one a week in a round. Um, I want 33 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:41,679 Speaker 1: to talk about that. I've got some emails the pile here, 34 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 1: I've created a pile on my studio desk that I 35 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:46,119 Speaker 1: want to talk about. I also want to talk about 36 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:49,559 Speaker 1: the dip in the road. I've noticed that. Um, well, 37 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 1: that dip in the road is sort of an analogy 38 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 1: comparison to order repair and I want to talk about that. 39 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 1: And Tom sent me this great article about microwaves and 40 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:59,639 Speaker 1: and the use of those and automobiles. But the phones 41 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 1: are so busy. Let's let's let's kick the garage doors open. 42 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 1: First thing. Let's go up to Ontario, Canada and talk 43 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:08,080 Speaker 1: to Jack Sorrento. Jack you're out with the car doctor. 44 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:13,239 Speaker 1: How can I help? Sir? Hi? There? So, some months 45 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 1: ago I got a letter from Kia, not a recall, 46 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:21,640 Speaker 1: it's called a product improvement campaign. Basically, I took it 47 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:25,639 Speaker 1: in for they installed a computer program that gives the 48 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:29,919 Speaker 1: knock sensor a second function, namely detecting connecting rod bearing 49 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 1: failure before the engine packs it in. So essentially it 50 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 1: puts it into limp mode. You get it told in, 51 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: they fix it, and and that's that's kind of a slick. 52 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:43,240 Speaker 1: I think they did well with that. Um, it's just 53 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:45,920 Speaker 1: sort of reason one for me losing a little faith 54 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 1: in high end the engines, because my real question is 55 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 1: I've been changing the engine oil more frequently than they require, 56 00:02:55,560 --> 00:03:00,960 Speaker 1: simply because uh a thousand maybe after I changed the 57 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:05,080 Speaker 1: engine oil and filter. Uh, it's like ink, it's black. 58 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:10,839 Speaker 1: And the dealer claims, oh, well, direct injection engines, that's 59 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 1: what they do. Don't worry about it. And I just 60 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:16,079 Speaker 1: like your opinion on that question. I don't see direct 61 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:19,920 Speaker 1: injection engines foully moil to that level. So let me 62 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 1: let me ask a few questions, Jack, how many how 63 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 1: many miles around this car? Uh? Forty kilometers? So twenties 64 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 1: seven two thirds operated in what kind of environment paved roads, 65 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 1: dusty roads. So it's not it's not it's not abused 66 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 1: in dusty Rhodes or anything. No, and you're using correct 67 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 1: spec oil. Yeah, I'm using synthetic UM oil and Kia 68 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 1: filters um. You know, the the viscosity that they require, etcetera, etcetera. 69 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 1: Has it been Has it been that way since new 70 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 1: the blackening of the oil. Yeah, the car was bought 71 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 1: with twenty kilometers on it um. I bought it from 72 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 1: the dealer with fairly dirty oil. Changed immediately and since then, yes, Uh, 73 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 1: Like I'm trying to converting the miles, but within two 74 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: thousand kilometers of changing oil and filter, it looks like 75 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:22,359 Speaker 1: my truck looks like after eight thousands. You know, you know, 76 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:26,160 Speaker 1: I was always taught, and I there's moments I disagree 77 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:27,919 Speaker 1: with this, but I've always taught never to look at 78 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 1: the color of oil as my final determination, right, so 79 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 1: you know, before we jump all over this, and you know, 80 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:36,719 Speaker 1: I would I would look and verify as the as 81 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 1: the crank case ventilation system working properly, And again I 82 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 1: would think that if some of this stuff was out 83 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 1: of whack you would you would be getting a check 84 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:46,480 Speaker 1: engine light or some sort of fault code fuel Enrichmond, 85 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 1: lyrich Lean something because there's a pretty low mile r 86 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 1: you know there to take a sample of the oil 87 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 1: and look for filings and such things. Well, did you did? 88 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 1: Appears not to be so, so, so you look for 89 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 1: a sample of Finally, did you send the oil out 90 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 1: for a formal analysis by a laft? That's your next 91 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 1: um that just google oil analysis and a bunch of 92 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 1: I think I think black Stone Laboratories or something like 93 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 1: that comes up. You know, there's there's there's two or 94 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 1: three places in the States that do it. There may 95 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:23,599 Speaker 1: be somebody up in Canada. I'm not sure. But here's 96 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 1: an example where oil analysis really would help. And I 97 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 1: say it like that because I read the forums where 98 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 1: I've got all these lunatics that you know, they're they're 99 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:34,719 Speaker 1: arguing over change their oil at three thousand miles, five 100 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 1: thousand miles, eight thousand miles two years, uh, you know, 101 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:40,720 Speaker 1: and they're sending it out for analysis, and they're you know, uh, 102 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 1: they're there, you know, using their kids college money to 103 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:46,480 Speaker 1: prove that their vehicle will go for a four million 104 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 1: miles if they don't change the oil unless it's it's ridiculous, 105 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's insanity, you know, which you don't 106 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 1: want to spend more money than it's work. Right, So 107 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:01,359 Speaker 1: you know, I would do an oil analysis if it 108 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 1: comes back as oil, and yeah, it is what it is. 109 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:07,719 Speaker 1: But if it comes back well, you know, Jack, we've 110 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:10,719 Speaker 1: got these metal filings, we've got a high amount of copper, 111 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 1: We've got some you know, uh tending there. We've got 112 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 1: you know, maybe the motors coming apart already, you know. Yeah, 113 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:23,240 Speaker 1: And you haven't heard um specifically other high end the 114 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 1: engine owners with this problem or not the black oil comments. 115 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 1: But as far as Kia Hundai to four engine issues, 116 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 1: it's either two four or the two. Oh actually I 117 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:36,720 Speaker 1: think it might be both of them. But yeah, they're 118 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 1: they're they're changing a bunch of those. I'm really amazed 119 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:44,480 Speaker 1: that they think the technology is so good that the 120 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:47,839 Speaker 1: knock sensor will hear the sound of a connecting rod 121 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 1: knocking and that'll get the engine in prior to failure. Right. Well, 122 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:57,920 Speaker 1: I I thought it's kind of an ingenious fix. Only 123 00:06:57,960 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 1: if you can only if you could see it before 124 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 1: it starts to a knock, because as far as I'm concerned, 125 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 1: if it's knocking, we're done. Yeah, I I hear you. 126 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 1: So it's got to be something that I couldn't detect, 127 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 1: but that the knock sensor could, right, Which, how's it 128 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 1: going to do that? It's a non sensor. It needs sound. 129 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 1: You know that this thing is. They claim to be 130 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 1: giving a lifetime warranty on the engine as long as uh, 131 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 1: once it goes into limp mode, I don't drive too 132 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 1: far and phone them immediately, etcetera, etcetera, and we'll fix it. 133 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 1: And so okay, great, the engines under warranty. If they 134 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 1: have to fix the thin diet, yeah, I would just 135 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 1: I would just read that as we know the engine 136 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 1: is gonna fail, So get ready and then and and 137 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 1: and then at what point you know this whole we're 138 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 1: gonna stand behind that the engine is gonna fail. Things 139 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 1: a bunch of nonsense, because when how thinking how many 140 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 1: keys are on the road, you know they're not just 141 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 1: picking on Jack, thinking how many keys who are on 142 00:07:57,480 --> 00:07:59,679 Speaker 1: the road, and then they all show up at once, 143 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 1: and right now we've got to fix all these engines 144 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 1: at once. Well, you would think it would bankrupt them 145 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 1: because there's a recall a million and some engines, I believe, well, right, 146 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 1: and and you know, this kind of this kind of 147 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 1: proves the point, doesn't it. Key is really, in my opinion, 148 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 1: of four to six year vehicle and you're done, throw 149 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 1: it away. Who cares? You know? Um, they're they're they're 150 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 1: getting better, They're just not there yet. Now, Hyundai used 151 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 1: to be like Kia. Right, We used to laugh about 152 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:32,560 Speaker 1: Hyundai in the business und it's a hunka juhnk It's 153 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 1: gonna last five years. And they did. They lasted five years. 154 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:37,559 Speaker 1: And we knew. What hunday stood for Hyundai was hope 155 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 1: you understand, nothing's drivable and inexpensive and you know, and 156 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:42,439 Speaker 1: that's and then we got and then you know, and 157 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 1: then Hunday came a long way Hyundai. Hyundai's making some 158 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:51,440 Speaker 1: really nice cars now. But I gotta say this, Kia, UM, 159 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:54,560 Speaker 1: I have no it's a nice tier with the crap 160 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:58,200 Speaker 1: engine basically, well yeah, let it drive a little longer 161 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:00,199 Speaker 1: than you realize. The whole car is basically crap, so 162 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:07,679 Speaker 1: it won't really matter what Mike Keia. Uh, it's nice 163 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:10,080 Speaker 1: to have an engineer and and a producer with a 164 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 1: sense of humor, isn't it? Uh? But um doing oil analysis? 165 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:16,079 Speaker 1: Jack called me back in a couple of weeks. When 166 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:17,680 Speaker 1: you get it back, I'm curious what they say is 167 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 1: in there, because I can't think it's anything good. But 168 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 1: let's find out, all right before we do any kind 169 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 1: of hardcore complaining. Alright, you're very welcome, take good care, 170 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 1: you have a good risk of the weekend. Let's just 171 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:32,679 Speaker 1: do a quick piece of email. This comes to us 172 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 1: from Phil and Vermont. Phil wants to know if it's okay, 173 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:39,680 Speaker 1: if four bleeder screws are normal to break off during 174 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:42,959 Speaker 1: a break flush, and what are my thoughts on using 175 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 1: anti season and no two cents or Phil and Vermont. Um, 176 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 1: I apologize, Philla has been sitting here at my desk 177 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:51,680 Speaker 1: for probably three or four weeks. Uh. You know, it 178 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:55,840 Speaker 1: depends on the care and caution given. Right, Um, did 179 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 1: they you know? Is it? And I guess a lot 180 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:00,559 Speaker 1: of its condition of the vehicle and you know how 181 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 1: many miles around the vehicle and you're in Vermont, You're 182 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:06,839 Speaker 1: not exactly in Texas where you know Snow, what's that? Uh? 183 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 1: You know parts of Texas, So it's not normal. It's 184 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 1: not abnormal. The real question I've got is is this 185 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 1: your normal repair shop again? You know, a stranger walks 186 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 1: up here and says, hey, all four bleeders snapped. It's 187 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 1: gonna be six dollars to fix the car. We've got 188 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 1: to put calipers on it. That moment of doubts in 189 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 1: your mind because you don't know this person and versus 190 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 1: the guy who's been taking care of your car for 191 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 1: you know, two, three fifteen years. Hey, Phil, guess what 192 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 1: the bleeders are kind of corroded and crumby looking and um, 193 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 1: you know, now I will say this, After the first 194 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 1: one snapped, maybe they should have called you and and 195 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 1: and told you, hey, Phil, one of the bleeders snapped. 196 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 1: The rest don't look good. Um, you know, unless they 197 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:51,840 Speaker 1: just went around the car. Maybe it was a slow 198 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:53,560 Speaker 1: day and it was just okay, we'll break all four 199 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:56,560 Speaker 1: and then he's got to fix it. So, um, it's 200 00:10:56,600 --> 00:11:00,200 Speaker 1: not normal. I've seen it. But every time we do 201 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 1: it where we have one break, we always give the 202 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:04,679 Speaker 1: consumer the option do you want us to keep going 203 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:07,559 Speaker 1: because it's not looking good? So I think that that's 204 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 1: on the shop. As far as Anti Season O two censors, yes, 205 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 1: copper Anti sees just a very late. That's another thing 206 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 1: I don't understand, right, I can rant about this old day. 207 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 1: They you buy an O two censor, they give you, 208 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 1: I don't know, two ounces of antie ss of which 209 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 1: you use a schmeir. A schmeir um, you know, in 210 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 1: delicate tests in terms, is kind of like a little 211 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:33,200 Speaker 1: less than a normal amount of mayo on the knife 212 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 1: when you wipe the top of the heart roll before 213 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:37,440 Speaker 1: you make the roast beef sandwich. It's a schmeir all right, 214 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:40,679 Speaker 1: it's a gentle taste. Uh, you know how much antie sees. 215 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 1: We I've got piles of these vials, piles of vials 216 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:46,679 Speaker 1: stacked up at the shop where if you know, it's 217 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 1: just yes, a dab of correct copper anti season. If 218 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 1: the O two centsor manufacturers out there listening, shrink the 219 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:57,439 Speaker 1: size of the vial. Zero zero. Run any of the 220 00:11:57,480 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 1: car doctor coming back right after this for the best 221 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 1: in car advice. Give Ron a call five zero zero zero. Now, hey, 222 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:20,679 Speaker 1: I have in my hands something that will actually displace 223 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 1: in the news the impeachment hearings for President Trump. I've 224 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 1: actually got it. I've got the thing that's gonna upset 225 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 1: this and not making this political, but I believe this 226 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 1: will be. This will actually be what will be bombarded 227 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 1: with next week. This just came in ten forty five 228 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 1: this morning, actually ten forty five yesterday morning, January sevent Friday, 229 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:42,439 Speaker 1: UM Tesla has an unintended acceleration problem. Allegedly this came 230 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 1: out over CNN. Is that fake news? No, I don't 231 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 1: want to go there. I'm not trying to get political. 232 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 1: I'm not saying I'm just you know, it can't be 233 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 1: real for one and not for the other, like just 234 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 1: trying to keep it real. But this will let's look 235 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:56,200 Speaker 1: at this next week instead of the impeachment hearings. More 236 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:58,320 Speaker 1: than a hunter Tesla's have involved in accidents because they 237 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 1: accelerated unintentionally, according to CNN out of New York Today, 238 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 1: according to a complaint filed with federal safety regulators. That complaint, 239 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:07,200 Speaker 1: filed on December nine, but posted Friday, says the problem 240 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:09,720 Speaker 1: happened to a a hundred twenty seven different cars across all 241 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 1: three Tesla models currently for sale. Well, I could believe 242 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:14,840 Speaker 1: this except for the Tesla I was following home last night, 243 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 1: and I think that guy knew I don't think that 244 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 1: park go over twenty So I don't think he had 245 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 1: an intended acceleration problem. I think he had cockpit trouble, 246 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:23,680 Speaker 1: as Uncle Steve would say, he could drive. UM National 247 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:27,080 Speaker 1: Highway Traffic Safety and Office, which investigates US complaints, says 248 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 1: it is looking into the allegations that has yet to 249 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:32,599 Speaker 1: decide whether enough evidence exists to open a defect investigation. 250 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 1: So you can read that as give it two weeks, 251 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 1: we'll see who does what. You know, the things slowed 252 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 1: down in Washington as far as impeachment will put TESLA 253 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 1: up because we gotta keep the news open, keep bombarding people. 254 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 1: So but yeah, seriously, Tesla's got some problems, no kidding. Um. 255 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:49,679 Speaker 1: By the way, I didn't point out the bottom of 256 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:52,680 Speaker 1: the hour, we're gonna be joined by Andrew bad Andy 257 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:56,720 Speaker 1: is a um uh it's Andy, right, Tom, Yes, yeah, uh. 258 00:13:56,760 --> 00:14:00,200 Speaker 1: Andy is a farmer from Pennsylvania who wrote into us 259 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 1: and try to talk and started talking to us about 260 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 1: how the Right to Repair Act is affecting repairing tractors. 261 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 1: You know, going out into the field, you're you're a farmer, 262 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:13,200 Speaker 1: you plant, you go up to the field, you and 263 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:15,199 Speaker 1: all of a sudden your tractor breaks down in the 264 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:18,360 Speaker 1: middle of a thousand acres, which according to Andy as 265 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 1: a hobby farm and out west because there's ten thousand 266 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 1: acre farms. Um, you know, what do you do? You 267 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 1: gotta wait for this guy to show up, and it 268 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 1: might be later that afternoon, it might beat the next day. 269 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 1: It's at such a cost. It's it's a problem technology. 270 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 1: We've got to open this up where people can fix 271 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 1: their own stuff. And he's gonna come by and talk 272 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 1: to us about that. Right now, Let's go to David 273 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 1: and Illinois. David oh five rendezvous. You put it in 274 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 1: gear and it stalls out. Tell me about this, UM, 275 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 1: it's very random. But when you put it like the 276 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 1: cars running, and you put it in drive, it would 277 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 1: die out, start right back up, kind of parallel parks, 278 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 1: and you go to from guys to reverse, it will 279 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 1: start right out and start and it starts back up. 280 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 1: And also if you come to a stop at the 281 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 1: stop sign a red light, they would do it too, 282 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 1: very random and might do it one day, not for 283 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 1: two or three days, start doing it that day. Does 284 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 1: it Does it change with weather? Doesn't think so? Is 285 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 1: it worse on rainy days that it is? On druid days. 286 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 1: I don't think so. I don't act attention to that, 287 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 1: but I'm not sure ye pay attention to that. Does 288 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 1: that change it? All? Right? Um? That's number one. Number 289 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 1: two is it that you'll put it into gear and 290 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 1: it will stall or its stalls in gear. As soon 291 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 1: as you put it into gear, it will stall right away. 292 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 1: But it's very smooth, like just lose his power, like 293 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 1: in the battery light will come on the danceboard. You 294 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 1: could you hardy tell it died out. That's how the 295 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 1: movie is, but it's right away you he's putting gear 296 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 1: cards in the movie, just dies right, and they're kind 297 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 1: of like a stick car if it was a manual 298 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 1: transmission and you'll let the clutch out and bang it's 299 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 1: it's it's like but but you'll do anything. It's very 300 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 1: smooth or very garismo. Okay, here's what I want you 301 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 1: to do. Obviously, we want to scan for codes even 302 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 1: though there's no lights on on the dish or we 303 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 1: want to do a complete module scan, etcetera, etcetera. All right, 304 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 1: so let's have your mechanics do that. If you don't 305 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 1: have the ability to do that with the car in park, 306 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 1: all right running. I want you to rock the car 307 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 1: back and forth, lift the hood okay and gently, just 308 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 1: you know, nice and easy, and we're gonna watch. We're 309 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 1: gonna watch the engine rock back and forth. And what 310 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 1: we're looking to see is that maybe if somebody could 311 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 1: rock it and you just pay attention to wiring harnesses 312 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 1: and and things over around the crank censor area of 313 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 1: the engine. Does anything look like it's moving too much? 314 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 1: Does anything you have too much flex to it? They've 315 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 1: had some wiring harness issues with these vehicles, and they'll 316 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 1: they'll actually, you know, you put it in gear, bang 317 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:44,320 Speaker 1: it stalls because the engine shifts because of the load, 318 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 1: or or do we have a trans tor converter that's 319 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 1: locking up? And I don't think we do, because I 320 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 1: also would hear the complaint from you that it shutters 321 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 1: on de cell and it stalls as I'm approaching a 322 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 1: traffic light while it's already in gear and it doesn't 323 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 1: do that right, Well, why come I to bore and 324 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 1: comes to stop sign? Pull up and actually stop stop 325 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 1: the car? It dies right away. But once it stopped 326 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:10,359 Speaker 1: right okay, okay, so it could be idling there for 327 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:13,199 Speaker 1: ten seconds and then cut out, you know pretty much 328 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 1: it stops like the car will be dying as you 329 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:17,440 Speaker 1: as you decelerate and as soon as you get to stop, 330 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 1: and it will be dead already. Okay, the next time 331 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:21,680 Speaker 1: that happens, as you feel it about to happen, pop 332 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 1: it in neutral. Does it doesn't prevent that doesn't prevent 333 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:29,040 Speaker 1: that from happening. Okay, all right, if you can, if 334 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 1: you can catch it. You know, I'm trying to get 335 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:35,200 Speaker 1: a feel for this. Do I have a torque converter, 336 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 1: which is the piece for the trans between the engine 337 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:40,679 Speaker 1: and and the trans Is that in lock up and 338 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 1: not releasing sort of like in the old days of 339 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 1: minibike clutch locked on? Do I have? Is this something? 340 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 1: You know? Engine running? Why is it? Obviously let's look 341 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 1: at fuel trim, Let's look at all the obvious diagnostic 342 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:54,400 Speaker 1: things we would normally look at and and just see 343 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:58,159 Speaker 1: what's there, and then, like I said, try rocking it 344 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 1: back and forth. There's also some alblems with the connector 345 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:04,160 Speaker 1: three oh five located down in the back bottom middle 346 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 1: of the car for the fuel pump. So check those 347 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 1: things out, call me back and we can talk further. Hey, 348 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:11,360 Speaker 1: coming up next, Andy Bade or forty year old tractors. 349 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 1: Are they actually what we're looking for instead of fixing 350 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:15,680 Speaker 1: the new ones? I'm on antying the car doctor. Don't 351 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 1: go away. Hey, hey, welcome back any of the car doctor. 352 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 1: It's a it's a big problem for the auto repair industry, 353 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 1: right to repair the fact that there are certain issues 354 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:38,680 Speaker 1: with information being made available to repair shops and it's 355 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 1: affecting us and it's affecting you, the end consumer, the 356 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 1: guy that's driving that automobile. But there's a bigger problem, LOOMI, 357 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:46,920 Speaker 1: and it's been around for a while now, and it's 358 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 1: right to repair as it's affecting farmers with tractors and 359 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:55,480 Speaker 1: farm equipment out in the fields, and it's really becoming 360 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 1: an issue that crops may not get well. Tell you 361 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 1: what me I'm getting ahead of myself. I've got Andy 362 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 1: bat with us here. He's a farmer from Pennsylvania and 363 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 1: he's got some knowledge about this subject. We were exchanging 364 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:09,359 Speaker 1: some emails and I said, let's put this guy on radio. 365 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 1: He uh, he's got some good stuff to say. Andy, 366 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:14,360 Speaker 1: Thanks for taking time out of up Are we planting? 367 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 1: What we're what were you planning to do today? Um? 368 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:19,960 Speaker 1: That I got you here on there. Actually, today I 369 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:23,360 Speaker 1: was in Harrisburg working with some folks in the regulatory 370 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 1: and Trade Association Business for Agriculture. UM talk about right 371 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 1: to repair. I can talk about how it's affecting automobile, 372 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:32,959 Speaker 1: what is right to repair? What is right to repair 373 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:35,119 Speaker 1: as it's seen by the farmer, and how is it 374 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 1: affecting you guys? The issue for us as farmers is 375 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:46,679 Speaker 1: multifold one. Tractors are very expensive and we tend to 376 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 1: keep them a long time. There are a lot of 377 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 1: tractors that are in use that we're built in the seventies, sixties, fifties, 378 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:57,879 Speaker 1: and so we need to be able to continue to 379 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 1: maintain these ss of equipment perhaps long after. You know, 380 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:08,200 Speaker 1: there's a established dealer basard or a knowledge base of 381 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 1: folks that take care of them. And let me just 382 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:13,440 Speaker 1: a concern. Let me just jump in here. What's what's 383 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 1: an expensive tractor? What's an average tractor today? What are 384 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 1: we talking all over the board? For instance, a really 385 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 1: large tractor would be like a case I H. Steger 386 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:29,920 Speaker 1: six twenty. It's a six twenty horsepower tractor. It's about 387 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:34,440 Speaker 1: forty eight thousand pounds twenty four tons and that runs 388 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 1: around half a million dollars, and who would use that 389 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 1: how it would be a large crop farmer who would 390 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 1: be running, you know, hundreds of thousands of acres of 391 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 1: two put into corn or soybeans or wheat or something 392 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:52,440 Speaker 1: like that. So that's the kind of tractor probably see 393 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:54,879 Speaker 1: more commonly out west, But we have farms here in 394 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 1: Pennsylvania to use equipment that size. And how big is 395 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 1: your farm if you don't mind me asking, we have 396 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 1: a small farm. We're a smaller farm. We only have 397 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 1: about a sixty acre farm, so we have a much 398 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:07,919 Speaker 1: smaller tractor. We only have a sixty horse tractor. And 399 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 1: even that tractor was you know, somewhere around between thirty 400 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:14,920 Speaker 1: five and so it's still a forty thou to get 401 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:17,239 Speaker 1: into the game. And then you have to deal with 402 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 1: you can't you can't fix it in the middle of 403 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:24,280 Speaker 1: the field. That's correct, um uh. And tractors are not 404 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 1: easily told, you know, bigger tractors would be require being 405 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:34,679 Speaker 1: essentially told or pushed onto a tractor trailer. Even a 406 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:36,840 Speaker 1: smaller tractor like mine is a bit of a pain. 407 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 1: You the truck has to come with a rollback or 408 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:41,680 Speaker 1: something like that, and it has to be winched on, 409 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 1: and even worse if it's out in the middle of 410 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 1: the field or in my case, on the hillside. It's 411 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:49,240 Speaker 1: something that you really can't have failed in the middle 412 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 1: of the operation. Well, yeah, let's let's go back to 413 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 1: you know, like as you said, the bigger farmer, the 414 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:57,960 Speaker 1: corn farmer, or the soybean farmer, who's out in the 415 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 1: middle of maybe you know what, what's what? What's what 416 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:03,480 Speaker 1: is that? It? Would it be a thousand acres? Is 417 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:06,959 Speaker 1: that potentially even a lot more than that thousand acres 418 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:10,200 Speaker 1: out west would be a small farm our IoAT c 419 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:13,439 Speaker 1: there are people that are in the many thousands of 420 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:16,199 Speaker 1: acres around. So a ten thousand acre farm and the 421 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 1: tractor breaks out in the middle of a field. Yeah, 422 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:22,200 Speaker 1: how do you write? You can't toe it. You've got 423 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 1: to have somebody come out and fix it if you 424 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 1: can't fix it yourself. Because farmers, by tradition are are 425 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 1: usually very handy, crafty, crafty kind of guys. You can, 426 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:33,879 Speaker 1: you know, you can work with your hands. And we 427 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:37,920 Speaker 1: are the king of the category of jack of all trades. 428 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:41,680 Speaker 1: We all grew up working on equipment with our fathers, 429 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:43,120 Speaker 1: and you know, what's what we know how to do. 430 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:45,719 Speaker 1: We know how to get things running again. And so 431 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:48,639 Speaker 1: they have a piece of equipment sort of stalled because 432 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 1: the computer is acting up or we can't reboot something 433 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 1: is a real problem. Now, wasn't it last year? And 434 00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 1: I'm coming off the top of my head with this, 435 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:02,720 Speaker 1: so correct me if I'm wrong, But wasn't it last year? That? 436 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 1: Because this is about John Deer or is this all 437 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:08,960 Speaker 1: tractors in general? I think this is an issue for 438 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:13,240 Speaker 1: all manufacturers. I know John Deere is taking the lead 439 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:17,440 Speaker 1: on this, and I do also understand the perspectives from 440 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 1: manufacturers like Deer in case I h uh and and 441 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 1: I can talk a little bit about that also because 442 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 1: I'm partaking in some efforts in Washington about high tech agriculture, 443 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:33,879 Speaker 1: and there are a lot of promise for very smart 444 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:36,960 Speaker 1: farm equipment. So we're in a time of a kind 445 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 1: of an interesting balance where we have machines that can 446 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:46,040 Speaker 1: plant a field and move the position of individual seeds 447 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 1: or fertilize and individual plant and that requires a lot 448 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 1: of computer technology. And then we also have kind of 449 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:57,399 Speaker 1: root force farming which doesn't require that. And so we're 450 00:23:57,480 --> 00:23:59,360 Speaker 1: you know, this is a it's kind of an inflection 451 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:01,480 Speaker 1: point right now out and it's it's a tricky issue. 452 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:05,160 Speaker 1: So well, but go go back to the John Dear 453 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 1: think John Dear had something like a year ago where 454 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:11,440 Speaker 1: they said, okay, we Am I right that they said, well, okay, 455 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:13,399 Speaker 1: we've got to hand out some information, We've got to 456 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:15,960 Speaker 1: make it more accessible or am I wrong in that? 457 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 1: I think the deer is understands that farmers want information. 458 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 1: I can't speak to deer interestingly, like you know, I've 459 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:27,199 Speaker 1: seen some of the deer Writer repair people, but I 460 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 1: don't know their perspective in person, and I think i'd 461 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:35,720 Speaker 1: i'd be reticent to comment. I understand globally why they're 462 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 1: concerned and what the issue is, and that is and 463 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:39,960 Speaker 1: it's a little bit like what happened in the auto 464 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 1: industry with people who are doing like chip tuners for instance, 465 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 1: like on diesel trucks, and they were, you know, they 466 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:49,679 Speaker 1: were reprogramming injection pumps to get a little more power, 467 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 1: and then they were following up cat converters or particular 468 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 1: filters or uh, exceeding admission standards and potentially even damaging engines. 469 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,119 Speaker 1: Is the kind of stuff that you know, manufacturers like 470 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 1: deer in case I h are are worried about that 471 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,520 Speaker 1: people are gonna get into monkey around and when they 472 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:10,920 Speaker 1: don't really know what they're doing. But and so that's 473 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,960 Speaker 1: that's a dilemma. But but well, right, but isn't the 474 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 1: bigger dilemma if the if the tractors out in the 475 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 1: middle of that ten thousand acre farm and it can't 476 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 1: be repaired for except for a repairman coming. And if 477 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,680 Speaker 1: the repairman is I don't know, what's a reasonable what 478 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:28,639 Speaker 1: are they saying? You know it is? It could it 479 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:30,680 Speaker 1: be a two day wait and the crops got to 480 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:34,400 Speaker 1: get in? I think, and I think in agricultural areas 481 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:39,440 Speaker 1: you will find that if you call a manufacturer's rep 482 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:43,080 Speaker 1: and you have a relationship, they often will figure out 483 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,119 Speaker 1: a way to get somebody there. I know when my 484 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 1: own tractor has been down. If you know, if you 485 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 1: have an embedded relationship, they'll try to get someone there. 486 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 1: But it's not going to happen right away. It may 487 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 1: not happen that same day. And of course I mentioned 488 00:25:55,760 --> 00:26:00,200 Speaker 1: at the start of our conversation that you're often only 489 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,200 Speaker 1: have one or two days to get a crop in 490 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 1: or to harvest, and so it's you know, that's that's 491 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:08,240 Speaker 1: still a lot of time. Hours matter in our business 492 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 1: and well and hours in the sense that if you 493 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:14,160 Speaker 1: go out on Monday and say, today's a day I've 494 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,680 Speaker 1: got to bring in the corn. Does that whole crop 495 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:19,200 Speaker 1: have to be in by Monday because it's getting shipped tuesday? 496 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:21,200 Speaker 1: Or is it that if it's not pick that goes bad? 497 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,959 Speaker 1: How does that? How critical? Do you know? Something like 498 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:29,920 Speaker 1: corn generally is not as perishable, and so there may 499 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:33,120 Speaker 1: be an opportunity to harvest corn a few weeks later 500 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:36,840 Speaker 1: or you know, potentially even a month later. I think 501 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,520 Speaker 1: there are other crops where this is a bigger issue. 502 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:42,680 Speaker 1: For instance, you know, hey might be ruined if you're 503 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,680 Speaker 1: not able to harvest it, uh bail it within the 504 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,680 Speaker 1: next couple of days. Certainly, anything that's in the fresh 505 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:52,680 Speaker 1: market arena, there's there's a real problem. If you've got 506 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,959 Speaker 1: a you know, a green bean harvester that's down and 507 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,199 Speaker 1: you're not able to harvest the green beans when they 508 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:00,880 Speaker 1: need to go to the canning plant, that's a real problem. 509 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:05,679 Speaker 1: So it's a little bit dependent on crops. Um corn 510 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,159 Speaker 1: corn might be one of the ones that you know, 511 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 1: people can have a little bit of flexibility on. So 512 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:14,200 Speaker 1: there's still corn and fields now that you know will 513 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,119 Speaker 1: be harvested a little bit later. Is it going to 514 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,960 Speaker 1: be as good a quality as it was the last fall? 515 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:24,520 Speaker 1: Potentially not. Have there been some losses yes, So it's 516 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:29,120 Speaker 1: you know, it's fresh market things that are most critical, 517 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,920 Speaker 1: and then it kind of goes down the category from there. 518 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:36,440 Speaker 1: So what is it that you feel and you've you've 519 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,879 Speaker 1: you've tried to help create with others, I know, the 520 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,320 Speaker 1: right to repair from a farmer's perspective, what do you 521 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,800 Speaker 1: what are you looking for? Bottom line? Well, we're we're 522 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 1: looking for the ability for farmers to uh either fix 523 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:54,480 Speaker 1: things themselves or to have third party anentities fix things, 524 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,960 Speaker 1: uh and not necessarily rely on dealers. And I think 525 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,720 Speaker 1: that's a I think that's a big topic and we 526 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,000 Speaker 1: need this kind of information to be able to fix 527 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:06,240 Speaker 1: tractors long term. You know, if if a tractor, you know, 528 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 1: I looked up for instance, what nineteen seventies six ten 529 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 1: sixty six International harvesters sold for It was about twenty 530 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:17,600 Speaker 1: one dollars. You know that tractor still sells today for 531 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 1: around ten thousand dollars. It's still a very valuable piece 532 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,320 Speaker 1: of equipment. So we we need to be able to 533 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:27,639 Speaker 1: support machines as they age and have all of that 534 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:32,840 Speaker 1: data and the software, et cetera, so that someone can't say, yeah, 535 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:34,879 Speaker 1: that that machine is obsolutely you know, it's got a 536 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,320 Speaker 1: it's got a computer that no one can talk to, 537 00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:39,760 Speaker 1: you know. And we live in a world where, look, 538 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:41,800 Speaker 1: have you tried to use anything that's got like a 539 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,600 Speaker 1: three or five minutes floppy lately? Well, yeah, that doesn't 540 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:46,840 Speaker 1: can and no it doesn't because it's it's gone. I'll 541 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:48,560 Speaker 1: tell you what. Andy, Sit tight, Let me pull over 542 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,120 Speaker 1: and take a pause, and we'll continue this conversation on 543 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:52,400 Speaker 1: the other side. I'm run an any in the car 544 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 1: doctor with Andy Batter. We're talking about the right to repairs. 545 00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 1: It affects farmers and we'll both be back right after this. 546 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,320 Speaker 1: We are back running in the car doctor. Were here 547 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 1: with Andy Batter, he's a farmer from Pennsylvania. We're talking 548 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 1: about the right to repair. Andy, you're still there. I am, 549 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,520 Speaker 1: Thanks for hanging on. When we pulled away, we were 550 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 1: talking about, um, you know, how the right to repair 551 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,840 Speaker 1: affects us and what it is you're looking for. Can 552 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:22,680 Speaker 1: you continue that line thought that you were on. Sure, 553 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:27,719 Speaker 1: we're looking for the ability to uh make diagnosic diagnostic 554 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:32,080 Speaker 1: tools and repair information available to everyone, to the farmer 555 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,760 Speaker 1: to the third party repair shop. We need to be 556 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:39,480 Speaker 1: able to get around proprietary software locks that are designed 557 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 1: to prevent repair by you know, shade treating mechanics. We 558 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:49,920 Speaker 1: need the tools to drive out to the tractor that's 559 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 1: immobilized in the field and figure out what's wrong and 560 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:57,760 Speaker 1: get that piece of equipment going again in short order. 561 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 1: That's kind of essential for us. You know, do you 562 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 1: think that the technical side of these tractors today, as 563 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,800 Speaker 1: as you were saying before the break, makes that older 564 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:14,880 Speaker 1: tractor more appealing? Sometimes there are I would say somewhat 565 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 1: anecdotal reports that there are farmers that like older tractors 566 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:21,040 Speaker 1: because they're less likely to be too complicated or perhaps 567 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,720 Speaker 1: less likely to have problems. You know, we've I think 568 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 1: we've seen that a little bit in agriculture. I think 569 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:27,600 Speaker 1: we've seen that a little bit in the trucking industry. 570 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 1: You know, we know people have been uh repowering trucks 571 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 1: with older engines because of this kind of thing, right, right, 572 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 1: do you think it's going to get to the point 573 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,080 Speaker 1: and maybe this is a little dramatic, but maybe that's 574 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:42,800 Speaker 1: what radio is about. Uh, that we're gonna just the technology, 575 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,040 Speaker 1: We're just not gonna be able to harvest crops in time, 576 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,000 Speaker 1: and we're gonna and we're gonna run out of food. 577 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,120 Speaker 1: I need to go to the supermarket today. Now, you're 578 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,000 Speaker 1: not gonna round up. There are a lot of very 579 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:54,360 Speaker 1: smart people working on this, and it's actually a very 580 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,280 Speaker 1: exciting time for us in farming. With what we have 581 00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:01,440 Speaker 1: on the horizon for technology. There are are things afoot 582 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:08,680 Speaker 1: like using automated machines to harvest. We're already using drones 583 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,480 Speaker 1: to fly over farm fields that to figure out what 584 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 1: yields are and we're fertilizing needs to be done. It's 585 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,960 Speaker 1: a dynamic and interesting time. But it's gonna take some 586 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:21,120 Speaker 1: training and it's gonna it's gonna take some effort on 587 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,720 Speaker 1: the part of both manufacturers and farmers to make sure 588 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:27,440 Speaker 1: everyone knows how to use this. It's it's largely, you know, 589 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:32,240 Speaker 1: a training and information project. Well, I'll tell you what. 590 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:35,200 Speaker 1: There's a little off topic, but I'm always impressed. Every 591 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 1: week I go to the supermarket and and and obviously 592 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:40,520 Speaker 1: in seasons a little different than out of season, but 593 00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:44,000 Speaker 1: there's always fresh strawberries there, and I'm thinking, how do 594 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:47,120 Speaker 1: they do that? Every supermarket in the country always has 595 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:51,160 Speaker 1: an extra pile of strawberries every week, year round, and 596 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:55,080 Speaker 1: it's mind boggling. And that's probably you know, speaking of strawberries, 597 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,720 Speaker 1: one of the things that you can probably google a 598 00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:01,280 Speaker 1: little bit is there's work underway now between some competing 599 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:05,640 Speaker 1: strawberry growers to figure out how to pick strawberries with machines. 600 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,479 Speaker 1: So that's this is kind of where we are at 601 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:12,400 Speaker 1: agriculture right now, where robotic technology is at the point 602 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:16,040 Speaker 1: where it can discern what strawberry is about ready to 603 00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:19,720 Speaker 1: be harvested and which one not to pick. It's really 604 00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,960 Speaker 1: really exciting interesting stuff. Yeah, well, listen, that's how I 605 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,000 Speaker 1: feel about all to repair them. I'm in the right 606 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,440 Speaker 1: place at the right time. The technology and as complicated 607 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,960 Speaker 1: as cars get, just to stay up with it. It's 608 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,360 Speaker 1: just interesting. But the way it interacts and the way 609 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:35,040 Speaker 1: everything falls together. So, um, I think we're I think 610 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,160 Speaker 1: we're both chewing on the same side there. I I 611 00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:39,280 Speaker 1: get it. Um, Andy, listen, I want to thank you. 612 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:41,040 Speaker 1: I appreciate you taking the time, and I want to 613 00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:42,760 Speaker 1: get you back out to the field or whatever you're 614 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,560 Speaker 1: gonna go do today, can you can you is there 615 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,320 Speaker 1: a website the listeners can maybe if they want to 616 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:50,360 Speaker 1: circle back over time just to keep an eye on 617 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:53,840 Speaker 1: what's going on with us. Well, I think officially I 618 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:58,400 Speaker 1: probably would put people towards farm bureaus website, which would 619 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:02,240 Speaker 1: be farm Bureau dot org FV dot org, because I'm like, 620 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,760 Speaker 1: you know, a farm greer representative that would that would 621 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:08,200 Speaker 1: be the place to send people. But there are other websites, 622 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,520 Speaker 1: you know, repair dot org we were talking about earlier 623 00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:12,560 Speaker 1: that would be wanted to look at, right and maybe 624 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:14,960 Speaker 1: if they just from time to time google what do 625 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:18,000 Speaker 1: you think right to repair farmers and see what comes 626 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:20,560 Speaker 1: up and leave it there, that would be correct. That's 627 00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,440 Speaker 1: a good idea, means Andy, listen, I really appreciate it, 628 00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:25,160 Speaker 1: and you know, God bless you and all the farmers 629 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,080 Speaker 1: out there keeping us fed. We uh, we appreciate you 630 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,920 Speaker 1: at least three times a day, um, if not more, 631 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,280 Speaker 1: we should. So you take good care and have a 632 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:35,840 Speaker 1: good rest of the weekend. All right, thank you, You're 633 00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 1: very welcome. I'm running any of the car doctor. We 634 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:44,160 Speaker 1: are back right after this welcome back, r an car doctor. 635 00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,920 Speaker 1: Thanks again, Andy Batter taking the time it's said right, 636 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:48,720 Speaker 1: you go out, you spend a half million dollars on 637 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,200 Speaker 1: a piece of farm equipment and then it breaks and 638 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:56,400 Speaker 1: you lose so much. And talking with Andy Fair, you know, 639 00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:58,640 Speaker 1: he was explaining to me how you lose so much 640 00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,000 Speaker 1: in terms of, you know, it's down time, it's the 641 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:04,000 Speaker 1: help standing around with the broken tractor. It's it's the 642 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,360 Speaker 1: broken tractor, it's the repair bill, it's not getting the 643 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:10,160 Speaker 1: product to market. Just things add up. And he also 644 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:12,320 Speaker 1: pointed out how this has been a tough year, the 645 00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:15,920 Speaker 1: last couple of years actually for the American farmer and 646 00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,480 Speaker 1: they're getting beat up by this. So right to repair 647 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:26,560 Speaker 1: is really limiting their ability to to work. Now transfer 648 00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:30,160 Speaker 1: that to an independent repair shop. The costs that are 649 00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,480 Speaker 1: associated with an independent repair shop and running on a 650 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,240 Speaker 1: day to day basis, that's something I can tell you about, folks, 651 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,920 Speaker 1: you know. And it just it still leaves me scratching 652 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:44,520 Speaker 1: my head. We had a guy walk in yesterday Friday afternoon. Three. Hey, 653 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:46,200 Speaker 1: my truck's not running right. Do you get him un 654 00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:49,360 Speaker 1: outside and scan it. IVE never been there before. I 655 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:50,880 Speaker 1: never saw the guy couldn't tell you who he was, 656 00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:55,080 Speaker 1: you know, like just blew me away, just completely. You know, 657 00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,399 Speaker 1: let me take my ten dollar scan to a walk 658 00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:01,080 Speaker 1: outside and jump on this right away. Skip. You know, 659 00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:02,719 Speaker 1: we're gonna have a conversation one day, you and I 660 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:06,239 Speaker 1: about how to approach repair shop. That's a whole another conversation. 661 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:10,120 Speaker 1: Until then, I'm rondinating the car doctor, reminding you good 662 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:13,480 Speaker 1: mechanics aren't expensive, they're priceless. Let's see you