1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:27,480 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of I Heart Radio. Welcome 2 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 1: back to Ridiculous History. As always, thank you so much 3 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:34,560 Speaker 1: for tuning in. We're continuing a bit of a zoological 4 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:38,840 Speaker 1: theme this week by talking about some animals that are 5 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:43,600 Speaker 1: bitter sweet to me. Camel's Hi, I'm Ben, Hello Ben, 6 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 1: I'm no, and uh dare I say stop? Camel time? 7 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:52,480 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well I mean we should keep going. But yeah, yeah, 8 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 1: I feel like, okay, okay, we could continue. We may 9 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 1: continue even after I made that unforgivable h MC hammer 10 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 1: friends there. But you know, if there's one person that 11 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 1: won't judge me for a bad pun or joke, it's 12 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 1: our guest superproducer andrew A. How super mega cool Guy Deluxe. 13 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 1: I didn't get that right, but you get the spirit 14 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 1: of the nickname, is there, hey man, Thank you dude, 15 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 1: thanks for standing standing in when Casey La Bush Pegram 16 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 1: is off on Adventures and Far Off Lands. Yeah, I 17 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:31,319 Speaker 1: think he's either out of lock up now or is 18 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 1: in the process of being deported back to the US. 19 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 1: But yes, thank you andrew A how A k A 20 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 1: cool Guy Deluxe Howard for joining us for a second episode. 21 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: We did have to talk him back into coming on 22 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 1: the show. Is writer is candidly a little bit robust. 23 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 1: Uh So, I don't know if we're gonna be able 24 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 1: to afford you for the next episode, but you know, 25 00:01:56,440 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 1: it's the time we have, right Andrew sounds good. We're 26 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 1: springing so many jokes out of him that we haven't 27 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 1: told him about. Yeah, well it's a it's sink or swimming. 28 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:13,240 Speaker 1: You are flying my friend. Uh today's episode camels. I 29 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 1: don't know whether either of you guys have ever had 30 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 1: close up, firsthand experience with camels, with drama daries in general. 31 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:24,359 Speaker 1: Have you know you're nod in your head a little bit. Uh, 32 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 1: you know that they used to have a thing at 33 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 1: the zoo. I remember when I was growing up where 34 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 1: you could ride a camel um and I do recall 35 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 1: doing that. I can't remember if there was like a 36 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 1: like a saddle that was like situated betwixt the humps, 37 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 1: or if you actually just it kind of makes a 38 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 1: natural saddle really if you think about it, if it's 39 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:44,800 Speaker 1: got two humps, there's a perfect little place where you 40 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 1: just kind of sink down as a little kid and 41 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 1: just ride that thing. Ah. Yeah, I believe those are 42 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 1: Bactry and camels. They're the ones with two humps, which 43 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 1: always seem a little cooler to me. The drama dary 44 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 1: the Somali or Arabian camel, that's the one that has 45 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 1: one hump on its back. Camels are bitter sweet to 46 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 1: me because when I was very very young in Tennessee, 47 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 1: there was a thing called Twitty City, which you guys 48 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 1: should not feel bad for not knowing about. Conway Twitty, 49 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:17,959 Speaker 1: the country singer. Conway Twitty would deck his his state 50 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 1: out in all these ridiculous Christmas decorations once a year, 51 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:25,640 Speaker 1: and kids from all around the region would go to 52 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 1: Twitty City to look at the lights do holiday themed 53 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,800 Speaker 1: family stuff. One of the things you could do was 54 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 1: ride a camel. So I rode this camel was very young, 55 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 1: and part of the part of the experience was that 56 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 1: you would get a camel license that, in my mind, 57 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 1: authorized you'd ride every camel ever for the rest of time. 58 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 1: I promptly lost that uh, and now all I have 59 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 1: is a picture of a very startled looking child wearing bifocals. 60 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 1: I used to wear bifocals writing a camel, so I'm 61 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 1: miss that camel license. Help me figure out how I 62 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 1: can get one. Now in my thirties, I have the 63 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:07,120 Speaker 1: camel hold up in like in the picture, does he 64 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 1: look like he's having a good time or does he 65 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 1: look put upon? Oh he's he's he's having a pretty 66 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 1: grand old time. Actually I got there while they were 67 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 1: feeding him treats or a snack or something. But the camel, 68 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:22,839 Speaker 1: there's the important part of the story. I guess the 69 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 1: camel was not mistreated. The handler, from what I recall, 70 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:30,480 Speaker 1: was was very much of the attitude that I am 71 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 1: here with this camel and it kind of does what 72 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 1: it wants. Don't get near its face because it's cantankerous. 73 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:40,160 Speaker 1: But we know that, uh, we know that camels are 74 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 1: in different parts of the world right now. We know 75 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 1: that the US has a varied collection of biomes, rico systems. 76 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 1: And it may surprise some of us in the audience 77 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:55,720 Speaker 1: today to know that back in the eighteen fifties, the 78 00:04:55,839 --> 00:05:01,599 Speaker 1: US Army wanted to import camels the because they thought, 79 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 1: you know, we've got deserts here in the Southwest. People 80 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 1: have been using camels to traverse deserts for thousands of years. 81 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 1: Why should we be any different. And that is our 82 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:18,719 Speaker 1: story today because once upon a time. No fooling Uncle 83 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 1: Sam actually did import camels from the Middle East and 84 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:27,479 Speaker 1: use them in expeditions through Texas and California. What how 85 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:30,279 Speaker 1: do we get here? Who came up with this idea? Well, 86 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:32,359 Speaker 1: I'll tell you. Bennett was an officer in the U. 87 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:36,559 Speaker 1: S Armies Quartermaster Corps, which is a thing can before 88 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:41,280 Speaker 1: we proceed, Ben, what's the Quartermaster Corps? Oh? Yeah, it's uh. 89 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:44,599 Speaker 1: They're the people in charge of all the quarters there. 90 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 1: Not to be confused with the Directory of Dimes or 91 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 1: with the uh the prime Ministers of bendees are tickled 92 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 1: with this joke. Yeah, Quartermaster court. Uh supplies logic things 93 00:05:58,279 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 1: like God, I got it. So it could even be 94 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:02,479 Speaker 1: sort of I mean maybe like but not necessarily the 95 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 1: armory situation. It was more specifically, like the person that 96 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 1: is in charge of all of the facilities that house 97 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:13,600 Speaker 1: individuals kind of supplying troops. Yeah, logistics, got it, got it. 98 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:16,360 Speaker 1: So this guy's name was George H. Croftsman Um, and 99 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 1: he proposed using camels back in the eighteen thirties. Um 100 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 1: he believed they would be super helpful, specifically in Florida, 101 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 1: where US troops were fighting against the Seminole community UM 102 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 1: and Florida's you know, it's a tropical kind of region, 103 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 1: a lot of dense foliage and uh and sort of 104 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 1: harsh conditions at times. UM. Even though it's thought of 105 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 1: as like you know, a vacation destination, is a lot 106 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 1: of like very humid, a little bit oppressive in my opinion, 107 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 1: being there, uh not at the beach. It's not particularly 108 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 1: pleasant climate. UM. And some of the terrain, like the 109 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 1: swamps and the foliage and all that, can be a 110 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 1: little rough. Camels have a history in the military UM 111 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 1: for traversing a little bit challenging terrains and for use 112 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 1: in cavalry operations in the US. UM started expanding with 113 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 1: that manifest destiny like moving out west, UM expanding the territories. 114 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 1: After the Mexican American War, in particular, from eighteen eighteen 115 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 1: forty eight, there was a territory of the US acquired 116 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 1: that all of a sudden had different terrain than the 117 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 1: East coast and what they were used to, and that 118 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 1: included a lot more arid regions, desert regions UM. And 119 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:38,679 Speaker 1: that's when the U s started to establish forts. After 120 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 1: that war with Mexico and after the annexation of Texas 121 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 1: in eighteen forty five. Yeah, it's important to note here 122 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 1: George H. Croftsman, when he first pitched the idea of 123 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 1: camels in the eighteen thirties, was pretty much roundly ignored. 124 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 1: His idea went nowhere, but people remembered it because it 125 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 1: was so out there. So it wasn't until you know, 126 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 1: more than a decade later that the US started taking 127 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 1: this seriously. And they only took it seriously because they 128 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 1: had a tremendous problem on their hands after the end 129 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 1: of the Mexican War, which just subscribed Nold Uncle Sam 130 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 1: got these vast swaths of land in the Southwest, and 131 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 1: they had not explored it. They had no idea what 132 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 1: to do with it. They had no idea how to 133 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 1: start exploring it because in their collective mind, there was 134 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 1: no real practical way to travel throughout this part of 135 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 1: the country. There were no roads, and going off any 136 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 1: existing trails meant going straight into forbidding terrain, deserts, mountains, etcetera. 137 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 1: We also knew that we couldn't take our normal modes 138 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 1: of transport because horses, mules, and oxen, they need water, 139 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:56,840 Speaker 1: they need pastures, they need stuff to eat and drink. 140 00:08:57,200 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 1: And this is sparse at best. Year. In fact, horses 141 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:07,199 Speaker 1: and mules tended to die of thirst between known water holes. 142 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 1: So of all the kind of beast of burden in 143 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:13,319 Speaker 1: the world that the US knew about at this time, 144 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:20,199 Speaker 1: camels seemed the only creature that could survive in this environment. 145 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 1: And they had reports from other militaries that assured them 146 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 1: this was viable. Right. Well, I mean, even just the 147 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 1: casual follower of history and of kind of camels of 148 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 1: wildlife know of them as being referred to as the 149 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:38,680 Speaker 1: ship of the desert um. And that's because you know, 150 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 1: I actually, uh, very mistakenly, I bet a lot of 151 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 1: other folks did too, thought that those humps that they 152 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:49,200 Speaker 1: have actually stored water um and they actually that's somehow 153 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 1: a reserve of water for them, And that's not exactly 154 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 1: the case. It's more, uh, that their metabolisms are really efficient, 155 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 1: and those humps store fat and that contributes to their 156 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:03,559 Speaker 1: very very um precise metabolism. I guess you could say 157 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 1: that allows them to survive in much more arid climates 158 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 1: because they're able to essentially use what little water they 159 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 1: do have in their systems very very effectively. A bit 160 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 1: of science here and this is I hope you like 161 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 1: this because I was trying to think of a comparison here, folks. Yes, 162 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 1: it's correct. It's a huge misconception about camels storing water 163 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 1: in their humps, as you said. No, they store fat 164 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 1: that they metabolize for nutrition, and they have very very 165 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 1: efficient metabolisms. They can go almost a week without drinking 166 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:42,200 Speaker 1: any water. But that's because they have these other things 167 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 1: inside their bodies. Their blood cells, if you think about it, 168 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 1: are actually like tiny little storage humps on the inside 169 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 1: of their bodies. They have this unique oval shape that 170 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:57,680 Speaker 1: allows camels to consume up to thirty gallons of water 171 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:00,840 Speaker 1: in one city. The cells are more are elastic, they 172 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 1: can change shape more easily, and this also lets their 173 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:08,440 Speaker 1: blood flow more easily when water is scarce. So there's 174 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 1: a whole system here. You can't you can't have a 175 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 1: camel without the humps. You can't have a camel without 176 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 1: camel blood. The point about the military precedent I want 177 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 1: to hit here is that the U. S. Army put 178 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:24,960 Speaker 1: a lot of importance on things that they saw European 179 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 1: armies doing. If the French and the Russians did it, 180 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 1: for instance, then the U. S Army would say, oh, okay, 181 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 1: well that must mean it's practical because they've been around 182 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:37,559 Speaker 1: for centuries. The Crimean War had a lot of reports 183 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 1: of armies using camels as pack animals too great results. 184 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 1: They said that the animals were stronger than horses and mules, 185 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:51,080 Speaker 1: and they were also more reliable. And that's part of 186 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 1: what inspired Jefferson Davis, the guy would later go on 187 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 1: to be the president of the c s A. That's 188 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:02,560 Speaker 1: not community support or to agriculture, that's Confederate States of America. 189 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:09,080 Speaker 1: It inspired Jefferson Davis to pitch this idea to progress, 190 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:13,960 Speaker 1: the idea of army camels dare we say a camel core. 191 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:17,560 Speaker 1: He was serving as a Secretary of War in the 192 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 1: cabinet of President Franklin Pierce and and that's when he 193 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:26,199 Speaker 1: took the opportunity to try to say, hey, no, really, camels, 194 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 1: we can do it. And that's where he essentially made 195 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 1: his case to Congress for receiving funding for this program. 196 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:33,960 Speaker 1: It's sort of buried the lead a little bit in 197 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:38,200 Speaker 1: this uh kind of lengthy report, but he essentially says 198 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 1: that he's been going out of his way to do 199 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:45,199 Speaker 1: his homework about camels and about the history of camels 200 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 1: and military use um and that he has made himself 201 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 1: familiar with two different types. The one that we were 202 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 1: talking about earlier been the one humped Dramedary or Arabian camel, 203 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 1: and then the two humped Central Asian camel, which is 204 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:01,960 Speaker 1: also for two as the backty and camel, which is 205 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:04,320 Speaker 1: the one that I rode at the zoo. Um. And 206 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 1: here's a little exert from this section. Quote on the 207 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 1: older continents and regions, reaching from the torrid to the 208 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 1: frozen zones, embracing arid planes and precipitous mountains covered with snow, 209 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 1: camels are used with the best results. They are the 210 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 1: means of transportation and communication in the immense commercial intercourse 211 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:27,840 Speaker 1: with Central Asia, from the mountains of Circassia to the 212 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 1: plains of India. They have been used for various military purposes, 213 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:36,080 Speaker 1: to transmit dispatches, to transport supplies, to draw ordinance, and 214 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:39,959 Speaker 1: as a substitute for dragoon horses. And he goes on 215 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:44,840 Speaker 1: to talk about Napoleon's activities in Egypt. He goes on 216 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 1: to mansion French forces in Algeria, and then he says, look, 217 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 1: this ticks all the boxes military purposes, for express for reconnaissance. 218 00:13:56,880 --> 00:14:01,600 Speaker 1: This is the animal for us, and so he says, 219 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:05,080 Speaker 1: it is respectfully submitted that the necessary provision be made 220 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:07,840 Speaker 1: for the introduction of a sufficient number both varieties of 221 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 1: this animal, to test its value and adaptation to our 222 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 1: country and our service. It took a year for the 223 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:17,559 Speaker 1: rubber to hit the road on this or should I say, 224 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 1: the camel to hit the sand. But on March third, 225 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 1: eighteen fifty five, he finally got his wish. A bill 226 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 1: for military appropriations included thirty thousand dollars in eighteen fifty 227 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 1: five cash to fund the purchase of camels and to 228 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 1: set up a program to sort of pilot them in 229 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 1: the American Southwest. For real, quick inflation calculation here, beepoopoop beepeepoop, peepoop, 230 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 1: peepoop d d D D D D deed perfect thirty 231 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 1: thou dollars in eighteen fifty five is the equivalent of 232 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 1: drumroll please or maybe some cool like adventure in the 233 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 1: desert music Perfect eight hundred four and seventy two sets. 234 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 1: So not a million dollars, but that's that's probably enough 235 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 1: to buy a camel, right, I think you'd probably get 236 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 1: a handful of camels. What's a group of camel's called? 237 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 1: Is it a pack? Camel pack? It should have some 238 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 1: specific camel related name nomenclature, like a murder of crows. 239 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 1: Sure it's a terravan, which of course it is. Everybody 240 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 1: knows that if you've seen a ladd, what's wrong with me? 241 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 1: A pack of camels is for the smoker crowd. That's 242 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 1: also true. Um, But they actually uh went nant to 243 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 1: go get the camels. So there is a young naval 244 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 1: officer by the name of Lieutenant David porter Um who 245 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 1: was assigned to command a an expedition to the Middle 246 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 1: East to pick up their camels. Uh And and he 247 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 1: did that thing. And there was a U. S. Army 248 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 1: officer assigned to learn about camels before actually acquiring them, 249 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 1: and that was Major Henry c. Wayne, who went to 250 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 1: West Point and was a decorated military man for his 251 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 1: bravery in the Mexican War. He also served in the 252 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 1: Confederate Army during the Civil War. But we'll give him 253 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 1: a pass on that for now. Um. But Jefferson Davis, 254 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 1: like you know, he was a go getter man. He 255 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 1: really wanted this camel situation up and running quick so 256 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 1: he passed out orders to Major Wayne Um asking him 257 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 1: to go to London and then Paris to find experts, 258 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 1: the leading camel experts to figure out who, what, what 259 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 1: kind of camels they need to get to get all 260 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 1: of the inside scoop about camels. And then his his 261 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 1: navy man got a U. S. Navy transport vessel, the U. S. S. Supply, 262 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 1: which then took a hot trip over to the Mediterranean 263 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 1: um under the command of Lieutenant Porter, and the two 264 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 1: of those folks met up uh and sailed to various 265 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 1: parts of the Middle East in search of just the 266 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 1: right camels to buy. What an adventure. Yeah, and this 267 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 1: is not like the Nazi horse thievery. They were buying 268 00:16:55,440 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 1: these camels. They're also finding human camel experts. And so 269 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:08,440 Speaker 1: they went around in search of camels and people who 270 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:10,880 Speaker 1: were experts on camels. I don't know what the word 271 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 1: for camel expert is. Please right in if you if 272 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 1: you figure it out. Is that drama, Darius, I was 273 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:18,440 Speaker 1: just thinking the same thing. Get out of my head. 274 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 1: It couldn't cover all the camels though, because battory and 275 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:25,920 Speaker 1: camels anyway. Point is by February of eighteen fifty six, 276 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 1: the ship is setting sail for America. They have thirty 277 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:32,479 Speaker 1: one adult camels, they have two calves, and they also 278 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 1: have five human experts who have been hired to help 279 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 1: tend the camels. The trip had a lot of rough weather, 280 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 1: but eventually, in May of eighteen fifty six, they land 281 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:49,359 Speaker 1: in Texas and they've only spent some of that thirty grand. 282 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 1: They still have cash for the program. So Jefferson Davis 283 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 1: looks at Lieutenant Porter and he says, hey, great, great 284 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 1: job on the camels. Go do it again, And so 285 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 1: he sends the guy out. Well, at least it wasn't 286 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:07,200 Speaker 1: his first camel rodeo at this point, right, he knew 287 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 1: what he was going for. He'd already like spoke to 288 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:11,879 Speaker 1: these consultants. He didn't have to do all of it again. 289 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:14,199 Speaker 1: He just had to make another trip because he'd already 290 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 1: like figured out what the best camels where to find them. 291 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:19,400 Speaker 1: You know. But but still, I kinda I gotta imagine 292 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:22,159 Speaker 1: it wasn't quite as simple as that, because you know, 293 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 1: that's a lot of camels to it. But do we 294 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:27,200 Speaker 1: have like a total number ben of how many camels 295 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 1: they were going for? We don't have a total number 296 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:33,399 Speaker 1: of how many they wanted, because they probably weren't sure 297 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:36,359 Speaker 1: until that first trip about how many they could buy 298 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 1: with the money they had. So the first trip he 299 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 1: comes back with, as I said, thirty one adult camels, 300 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 1: two calves, two juvenile camels, and then on the second 301 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:52,119 Speaker 1: trip porter returns with forty four camels. So all in 302 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 1: all their total camel hall is about seventy camels, various 303 00:18:57,040 --> 00:19:01,440 Speaker 1: different types. And it's important to during that second camel run, 304 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:03,639 Speaker 1: I like the idea of a camel run instead of 305 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 1: a cannibal run. During the second camel run, they're testing 306 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:11,880 Speaker 1: these camels in Texas and it's going pretty well, right, yeah, yeah, yeah. 307 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 1: So they start using them for first they marched them 308 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 1: from Indianola to San Antonio, and then they start using 309 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 1: them for routine jobs carrying supplies from San Antonio to 310 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:29,879 Speaker 1: this fort called camp Verde, about sixty miles southwest. And 311 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 1: then at first they're over the moon. They say, wow, 312 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 1: these camels can carry so much more than pack mules. 313 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:41,680 Speaker 1: And as long as we tell the soldiers what to do, 314 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 1: and as long as those knuckleheads pay attention, there won't 315 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:48,880 Speaker 1: be too many problems handling them. Yeah. The only downside 316 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:50,960 Speaker 1: was I think that we know, you know, horses don't 317 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 1: smell great. Camels kind of smell worse, or at the 318 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 1: very least, it was a smell that was different enough 319 00:19:57,040 --> 00:19:59,920 Speaker 1: that that freaked the horses out. Um, So there was 320 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 1: a little bit of unrest bringing this new type of 321 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 1: of animal into the mix. Right. Yeah, I believe that's correct. 322 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:10,880 Speaker 1: And you know, horses are already in a very weird situation, 323 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:14,679 Speaker 1: so you can't blame him for being skittish. We do 324 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 1: know that these tests were considered successful. The second trip 325 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 1: was considered successful for a number of reasons. Camels didn't 326 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 1: need as much water uh or as much food as 327 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:30,920 Speaker 1: other creatures. They also didn't need to wear horseshoes. They 328 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 1: could just barefoot around. And once the experiments were considered 329 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 1: a success by Jefferson Davis, he makes a new report 330 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 1: on the project. He publishes it as a book in 331 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:46,399 Speaker 1: eighteen fifty seven. This guy loved camels. It's kind of 332 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:49,440 Speaker 1: weird that there weren't more camels during the Civil War 333 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 1: if he was a charge. And you know what's interesting 334 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:56,240 Speaker 1: about what you said, Nol with the horses not really 335 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:59,679 Speaker 1: liking the camels. It turned out that they weren't the 336 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 1: only animals dogs didn't like a cattle were freaked out. Yeah. 337 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 1: A lot of times they would actually cause the horses 338 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 1: or mules to like bolt, often carrying with them, you know, 339 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 1: cargo attached to these wagons and buggies that were connected 340 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:20,359 Speaker 1: to them. Um. And a lot of people weren't crazy 341 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 1: about them either, even though they were sort of like, 342 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:27,760 Speaker 1: oh ah, kind of a new exotic species. They often 343 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:31,200 Speaker 1: would spit in people's faces, Like I think we saw 344 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 1: that and it was that an Indiana Jones. The camels 345 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:38,400 Speaker 1: spits on Indiana Jones. Yeah, I thought, Okay, Andrew says, 346 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 1: it sounds right, I'm gonna go with that. If not, 347 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 1: it's definitely in like some Spielberg e type movie where 348 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 1: a camel spits in somebody's face and it's really gross 349 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:49,840 Speaker 1: and frothy, and uh it's something that they do. Uh 350 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 1: and this is a real gross y'all. Uh. They would 351 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:58,200 Speaker 1: sneeze a lot um and so violently when done as 352 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 1: a herd. Uh, they would actually like cause you know, 353 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:04,640 Speaker 1: the earth to shake. That is what I'm reading here, 354 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 1: which seems a little extreme. But they also u when 355 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 1: they got spooped, they would blow a bloody, bladder like 356 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:18,399 Speaker 1: mass of tissue out of their mouths as we guys 357 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:21,360 Speaker 1: threw up in my mouth a little bit um and 358 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 1: they were really stinky. M h. And let's add to that, 359 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 1: camels have a meeting season, and during the meeting season, 360 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:34,159 Speaker 1: the mail camels just start screaming at each other and 361 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:37,120 Speaker 1: try to kill each other, so that can throw off 362 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:42,480 Speaker 1: a standard operation, as you might imagine. Also, other businesses 363 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 1: in the US and the South especially didn't like this 364 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 1: new form of competition in the world of shipping, and 365 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:53,480 Speaker 1: the rank and file enlisted at Camp Verdey thought the 366 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 1: experiment was ridiculous. From soup to nuts, where should I say, 367 00:22:56,800 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 1: from hump to hoofs still made a lot of progress. 368 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:06,919 Speaker 1: The thing that worked best about the experiment was, according 369 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:10,160 Speaker 1: to this fantastic article on vault dot side dot com, 370 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:15,880 Speaker 1: the camels themselves, because yeah, they didn't smell like Irish 371 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 1: springs or zest or whatever, but they could carry these 372 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:23,879 Speaker 1: enormous loads and they were super resilient. When a camel knelt, 373 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 1: it was loaded with four bales of hate, any one 374 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 1: of which would have been too much for a mule. 375 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 1: And people, civilians and soldiers alike we kind of gather 376 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 1: around in a circle and heckle the camel, and they'd 377 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:39,640 Speaker 1: be like, ah, there's no way this guy can't even 378 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 1: stand up with these four big bales of hay. And 379 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 1: then it would rise, and then they would they would, 380 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:47,200 Speaker 1: you know, there would be a silence for a moment, 381 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 1: I'm making all of this up, and then they would 382 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 1: erupt in riotous cheers, you know, hip hip, hep camel 383 00:23:54,440 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 1: or hump hump parade, and then it would fall commands 384 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,920 Speaker 1: and it would march away on its destination. And this 385 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:09,480 Speaker 1: kind of one over some of the Texans because once 386 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 1: their livestock started to become kind of acclimated to the 387 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 1: weird side of a camel, uh, things seemed like they 388 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:21,160 Speaker 1: would go back to normal. One woman in Victoria, Texas 389 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 1: even knitted a pair of socks from camel I guess 390 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:28,640 Speaker 1: you'd call it for camel pile and sent it to 391 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,640 Speaker 1: the president uh, And in return, he sent her back 392 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:35,199 Speaker 1: a silver mug with get this, his name on it. 393 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 1: That's a very self absorbed gift. Yeah, man, I mean 394 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:43,159 Speaker 1: that's not helpful at all. Um. But when Franklin Pierce 395 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:46,880 Speaker 1: left office, James Buchanan became the President. That's when Jefferson 396 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 1: Davis left the War Department, and it was kind of 397 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 1: the beginning of the end a little bit for the 398 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:58,359 Speaker 1: for the Camel Corps because the Civil War was was 399 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:02,399 Speaker 1: soon to come. UM and UH. In the eighteen fifties, 400 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:06,880 Speaker 1: things got pretty bad for the for the camel experiment, 401 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 1: even though it was really pretty successful and efficient when 402 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:15,399 Speaker 1: it was in its heyday. UM. Congress became really focused 403 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:20,480 Speaker 1: on this whole like divide over slavery, and Jefferson Davis, 404 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:22,879 Speaker 1: who had been kind of the you know, the standard 405 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:26,880 Speaker 1: bearer for the whole thing, UM, started to be much 406 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,720 Speaker 1: more focused on representing the state of Mississippi in the U. S. Senate. 407 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 1: And as the Civil War came closer and closer, the 408 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 1: camel thing just sort of kind of fell out of 409 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,679 Speaker 1: people's fell out a top of mind. UM. It was 410 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 1: really more of a Texas thing, more of like a 411 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,959 Speaker 1: regional thing, and it's sort of lost its luster. And 412 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 1: also there was a thing called the mule Lobby, which 413 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,119 Speaker 1: is exactly what it sounds like it was. They had 414 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 1: lobbyists back in those days, and it was for the 415 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 1: mule industry UM, and they were really anti camel and 416 00:25:55,680 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 1: pro mule, and Davis had written to his successor, uh, 417 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,159 Speaker 1: the next Secretary of War, John B. Floyd, and he 418 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:07,240 Speaker 1: was like, look, this works, Let's do it more camels. 419 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 1: He was really a camel champion, and Floyd asked Congress 420 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 1: to buy another one thousand camels. But, as you said, old, 421 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 1: for various reasons, this was an increasingly low priority for people. 422 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 1: The camel Corps was still around in Texas, but they 423 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:30,159 Speaker 1: were encountering problems. Soldiers didn't like them because they were 424 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,960 Speaker 1: getting spat on and pooped on, having bloody masses ejected 425 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:38,520 Speaker 1: into their faces, right, camel loogies, and that's the scientific term. 426 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 1: And then they also hated the smell. And they couldn't 427 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 1: put them in stables near horses because until a horse 428 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:48,960 Speaker 1: had been really thoroughly acclimated to this creature, it would 429 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 1: understandably freak out. And in eighteen sixty a guy named 430 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:56,439 Speaker 1: Lieutenant Colonel Robert E. Lee might be familiar named to 431 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,360 Speaker 1: some people. He used camels on a long range patrol 432 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,960 Speaker 1: and he said, these things are great. Why aren't we 433 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:06,960 Speaker 1: using more of these? But then of course people were like, uh, 434 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 1: if I look at my list of things I care about, 435 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:12,320 Speaker 1: that begin with a c Civil war is the first 436 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 1: thing that pops up, not camels. So in the eighteen 437 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 1: sixties the Army ends their active experimentation with camels, and 438 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,399 Speaker 1: the Confederate soldiers who take over Camp Verde in eighteen 439 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,480 Speaker 1: sixty one don't really use them at all during the 440 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,000 Speaker 1: Civil War, I mean not very much, because why would 441 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 1: they They're familiar with horses. So people were having a 442 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 1: tough time figuring out how they would use the camels 443 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,919 Speaker 1: that were already stuck in the US. A second flock 444 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:44,639 Speaker 1: of camels or what do we call them earlier? A caravan? 445 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,360 Speaker 1: Maybe A caravan's only if they're in mo and motion. 446 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:51,160 Speaker 1: Maybe if they're just hanging around loitering camels and they're 447 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:55,640 Speaker 1: a flock, Yeah, yeah, I like a like a congregation 448 00:27:55,680 --> 00:28:01,200 Speaker 1: of camels, cavalcaded camels, forum of camels for the yeah, 449 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 1: but still spell it with a seed to throw people off. 450 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:09,920 Speaker 1: So there was a second quorum or cavalcade of camels 451 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 1: that had been moved out to Camp Tahan, California. It's 452 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,159 Speaker 1: a lot of seas right there, my man. Yeah, a 453 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,879 Speaker 1: lot of seeds. They were still in the possession of 454 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:25,119 Speaker 1: the Union forces, and this second group of camels was 455 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 1: repeatedly transferred to different posts throughout the Civil War because 456 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,720 Speaker 1: literally no one could figure out what to do with them. 457 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:34,840 Speaker 1: No one could. I mean, that's yeah, what do you 458 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,880 Speaker 1: what do you if you're not like trained to deal 459 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 1: with camels, And that's a weird kind of boondoggle to 460 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 1: have hanging around. It's like, hey, we got this like 461 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 1: surplus camel situation, and they're really just kind of hanging 462 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 1: around and spitting on people and stinking up the joint. 463 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:57,440 Speaker 1: It's like, what what do you do? And this really 464 00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 1: was just kind of par for the course. It was 465 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,440 Speaker 1: a sign of things to come. This, you know, these 466 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 1: last stragglers, this last bastion of this uh noble experiment 467 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:10,600 Speaker 1: that was the camel corps Um eventually also fizzled out 468 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,880 Speaker 1: in the in the core was officially disbanded in eighteen 469 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 1: sixty three. But you know, the camels were pretty good 470 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 1: at what they were supposed to do. It's really not 471 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 1: their fault that like they didn't, you know, wreck this 472 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:26,080 Speaker 1: whole thing. It was really just kind of the tide 473 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:29,360 Speaker 1: of of of war and and the and the terrain. 474 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 1: Right as after the Civil War um the frontier wasn't 475 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,160 Speaker 1: as much of a thing anymore. There wasn't as much 476 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:39,160 Speaker 1: of that rugged terrain that that you needed something like 477 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 1: a camel to traverse. Railroads were more of a thing 478 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 1: technology that's like, you know, disruptive to things like horses 479 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:51,600 Speaker 1: and also camels. Yeah, that's a good point. The camels 480 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:55,760 Speaker 1: did nothing wrong. At least stop blaming the camels. Civil 481 00:29:55,760 --> 00:30:00,200 Speaker 1: War era military members, only a few people really took 482 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,320 Speaker 1: the idea seriously, and it turns out that a lot 483 00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,840 Speaker 1: of the officers who were opposed the idea of a 484 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:10,960 Speaker 1: camel corps were just being closed minded. It's the same 485 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:14,520 Speaker 1: thing that happened when other military officers opposed the idea 486 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 1: of aircraft just seventy years after this. It makes me 487 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,080 Speaker 1: think of that line in Wayne's World where the sleazy 488 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:25,120 Speaker 1: producer character played by an actor whose name I'm totally forgetting, 489 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,680 Speaker 1: but he was the really attractive dude from the eighties 490 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,960 Speaker 1: who now has a podcast called Seriously. He was also 491 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,560 Speaker 1: in Parks and Wreck. Somebody helped me out. I know 492 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:35,840 Speaker 1: you you know everything about this guy except for his 493 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 1: accept his damn name. Um. But he uh, he comes 494 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,600 Speaker 1: up on Garth while Garth is like doing this experiment 495 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,600 Speaker 1: and you know, he's like so excited about bringing Wayne's 496 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:47,560 Speaker 1: world to the masses, and then Garth just goes way 497 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:53,960 Speaker 1: fair change, rab blow, rab blow. That's the guy. Yeah, 498 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:58,400 Speaker 1: it was so many hearts broke against the rocky shores 499 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:03,080 Speaker 1: of that gaze. So oh and that jagged jawline, my man, 500 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,239 Speaker 1: I mean, and he's you know, he is a I 501 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:06,840 Speaker 1: swear to god. He made a deal with the devil 502 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,840 Speaker 1: or is like a secret vampire or something, the chin devil. 503 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 1: He made a deal with the Chin devil, which is 504 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 1: like the other devil but real. Anyway, that's an episode 505 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:20,280 Speaker 1: for another day. The point we're making here about the 506 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:25,320 Speaker 1: Camel Corps is that there was another factor at play. 507 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 1: The Civil War engulfed the United States, and most of 508 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:33,720 Speaker 1: the war was fought heavily in the East, and in 509 00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:38,280 Speaker 1: the eastern part of the US, railroads, rivers and roads 510 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:41,720 Speaker 1: were already very well established as supply routes. We didn't 511 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,320 Speaker 1: need camels, you know what I mean. They were solving 512 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:47,360 Speaker 1: a problem we didn't have in that part of the world. 513 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:51,480 Speaker 1: But despite the fact that the camels themselves did nothing wrong, 514 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:57,120 Speaker 1: they became victims of politics. We cannot dismiss this particular 515 00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:01,640 Speaker 1: aspect of the story. The main cha ampion of a 516 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:07,400 Speaker 1: Camel Corps was Jefferson Davis. Did he have a good idea? Yes, absolutely, 517 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,440 Speaker 1: at least when it came to Camel's. His ideas about 518 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,480 Speaker 1: the Confederacy were terrible. Was about to say, was he 519 00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:17,840 Speaker 1: a good guy? Debatable? Right, that's very kind of you. 520 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:22,360 Speaker 1: But yeah, the point the point is, you know, on 521 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:28,160 Speaker 1: some level, people who controlled the purse strings of the nation, 522 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:33,040 Speaker 1: we're going to be biased against any ideas from Jefferson Davis, 523 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:36,360 Speaker 1: even if like the Camels, they were a good idea. Yeah, 524 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,480 Speaker 1: I mean, and and that this this this whole idea 525 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,200 Speaker 1: of we fear change, you know. It was absolutely a 526 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,360 Speaker 1: theme that kind of continued um with things such as 527 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,960 Speaker 1: the something called the balloon core Um. There there were 528 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:51,640 Speaker 1: a lot of innovative, kind of outside the box experiments, 529 00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:57,720 Speaker 1: not to mention um incredible communication development called the telegraph, 530 00:32:57,960 --> 00:32:59,720 Speaker 1: and that was something that freed people out to it. 531 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:05,040 Speaker 1: That's time or the invention of something called ironclads, which 532 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:09,840 Speaker 1: was what was that a type of ship? Yeah, ironclads 533 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:16,080 Speaker 1: were these armored vessels. They were steam propelled warships essentially, 534 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:20,000 Speaker 1: and they had these iron or steel armor plates that 535 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,720 Speaker 1: would be on their you know, their hole or covering 536 00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:26,280 Speaker 1: the top of the ship. So they it was meant 537 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:30,560 Speaker 1: to solve the problem that wooden warships had, which is 538 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:34,440 Speaker 1: if you had explosive ordinance, Uh, the wooden ship would 539 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,440 Speaker 1: not last long. So they were a good idea as well. 540 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,720 Speaker 1: But to your point, they didn't maybe get their time 541 00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:43,600 Speaker 1: in the sun that they deserved. This was also you know, 542 00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:47,680 Speaker 1: shout out to Rachel Lance. Uh, this was an era 543 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:52,960 Speaker 1: of early submarining too. Write it absolutely was what was 544 00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:56,040 Speaker 1: it the Huntley that was the one that the yeah, 545 00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:59,040 Speaker 1: with the weird little flintstone kind of self propelled like 546 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:03,600 Speaker 1: pedal situation, seemed absolutely destined for failure. But a cool 547 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:09,880 Speaker 1: idea and obviously led to amazing innovations in underwater craft. 548 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,239 Speaker 1: But maybe building it out of wood not a particularly 549 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:16,279 Speaker 1: great idea now, being that would like leaks and and 550 00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,799 Speaker 1: you're you know, submerging the entire thing. Um kind of 551 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:21,920 Speaker 1: felt like a little bit of a rickety death trap 552 00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:26,720 Speaker 1: to me. I propose with full humility here and Rachel, 553 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,919 Speaker 1: I hope you're listening. And one of the greatest historical 554 00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:35,160 Speaker 1: accomplishments of the Huntley was the creation years and years 555 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:38,960 Speaker 1: later of our Ridiculous History episode on it is that No. 556 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:44,120 Speaker 1: I think that's just self aggrandizing enough to be absolutely correct. 557 00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,400 Speaker 1: So there we go. There we go. And when we 558 00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,840 Speaker 1: think about the camels, we know that they got the 559 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:55,040 Speaker 1: they got the short end of the hump, I guess 560 00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:58,839 Speaker 1: because they didn't do anything wrong. Everybody who would use 561 00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:02,239 Speaker 1: them under the circumstances they were designed to be used 562 00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:06,440 Speaker 1: in found them pretty pretty great. You know. Robert E. 563 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,080 Speaker 1: Lee thought they were swell. His yelp review would have 564 00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:13,520 Speaker 1: been five stars. Could have done without the bloody flegm Yeah, okay, 565 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:16,759 Speaker 1: four point five, four point five for the flegm uh 566 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:20,360 Speaker 1: and the smell. And so as we know, the Civil 567 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:25,560 Speaker 1: War concluded. After the Civil War, the U. S. Army 568 00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:29,040 Speaker 1: sold their camels, both the ones in Texas and the 569 00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:32,359 Speaker 1: ones in California, and they also sold a bunch of 570 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:35,040 Speaker 1: young camels that were born here in the good old 571 00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:39,080 Speaker 1: US of a any number of people bought these fire 572 00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:45,000 Speaker 1: sale camels, carnivals of course, circuses, uh, mining operations, and 573 00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:48,799 Speaker 1: my favorite, my favorite part, my favorite historical detail. There 574 00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,399 Speaker 1: were apparently a few people who just said, I want 575 00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:54,720 Speaker 1: to own a camel? Do you just buy a camel, 576 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,160 Speaker 1: and then they bought them and then and that's probably 577 00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:01,400 Speaker 1: the one that I wrote at the Zoo's probably timing 578 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:05,920 Speaker 1: matches up. You Oh, that's right, you did ride one, right, 579 00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:09,440 Speaker 1: I again, when that camera would have been quite old. Uh, 580 00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:10,960 Speaker 1: if that was the one that I had that I 581 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:14,640 Speaker 1: had set astride, it could be descended from one of those. 582 00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:17,440 Speaker 1: I mean, that's good point. Then that's a good point again. 583 00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:21,080 Speaker 1: I just I pined for my camel license. Someone photoshop 584 00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:24,120 Speaker 1: of fake camel license for me. I promised you, I 585 00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:25,880 Speaker 1: will print it out and put it on my wallet. 586 00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:30,439 Speaker 1: You're you're right, though, the camels entered a different career path. 587 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,000 Speaker 1: As a high school counselor would say, they were in zoos. 588 00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,240 Speaker 1: They were in zoos, they were they were private pets, 589 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:41,000 Speaker 1: and uh, you know, some had an unfortunate end in 590 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:46,680 Speaker 1: mining insalt mining operations in Nevada and others. We're just 591 00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:50,520 Speaker 1: abandoned in Texas and Arizona. And they lived wild for 592 00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:54,640 Speaker 1: a time until the settlers came in and killed them 593 00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:58,520 Speaker 1: off by shooting them for fun. Oh boy, that's yeah. 594 00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:01,040 Speaker 1: You know, I don't know were they eating, ever, it 595 00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,360 Speaker 1: doesn't seem that maybe they would that wouldn't be. They 596 00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:07,640 Speaker 1: seem very fatty and kind of uh, scrawny around the 597 00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:11,280 Speaker 1: parts that you might eat. Yeah, in other cultures camels 598 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,399 Speaker 1: have being consumed for food, but in the US they 599 00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,960 Speaker 1: were more they were thought of more as a beast 600 00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:21,600 Speaker 1: of burden, which is which is interesting because people will 601 00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,240 Speaker 1: tell you that camel meat is delicious, that it tastes 602 00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:29,040 Speaker 1: like a combination of land and beef. But with eating cattle, 603 00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:32,960 Speaker 1: just like real estate, it's all about location, location, location. 604 00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:35,320 Speaker 1: You know, the fatty hump is going to taste different 605 00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:39,200 Speaker 1: from I guess the trotters. That does sound kind of tasty, 606 00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:41,439 Speaker 1: but I don't know. It's It is one of those 607 00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:44,480 Speaker 1: what was it called ben the meat paradox kind of 608 00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,719 Speaker 1: situation where it's like, are these animals that that we 609 00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:51,680 Speaker 1: feel comfortable consuming? Are or are these even animals that 610 00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:55,160 Speaker 1: we feel comfortable riding? Because there's actually a couple of 611 00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:58,200 Speaker 1: articles when I was doing some research on the history 612 00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:00,920 Speaker 1: of camels and I was honestly wondering if camels were 613 00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:04,080 Speaker 1: still ridden in the desert as much. Yeah, they are, 614 00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:05,799 Speaker 1: for sure, but it's also much more of like a 615 00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,720 Speaker 1: touristic kind of thing as well. Um and the artist 616 00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:12,880 Speaker 1: article on Nomad World nomads dot com ask the question 617 00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,400 Speaker 1: is it ethical to ride camels? Uh? The headline is 618 00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,760 Speaker 1: we ride horses. We don't ride elephants except at the zoo. 619 00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,040 Speaker 1: Occasionally there's elephant right at the zoo. But is it 620 00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:23,239 Speaker 1: okay to ride camels when traveling? And how can we 621 00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:24,880 Speaker 1: assure that we're not harming them anyway? And then it 622 00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:28,160 Speaker 1: goes through some um, you know, details as to how 623 00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:30,840 Speaker 1: to sit properly as to not harm them, and you 624 00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,840 Speaker 1: know PETA's kind of position on the whole thing. But 625 00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,600 Speaker 1: the most interesting thing that I came across in this 626 00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:40,200 Speaker 1: article was just the stats on like how far they 627 00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:42,520 Speaker 1: can travel and how much weight they can carry. An 628 00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,240 Speaker 1: adult camel can apparently travel at the twenty five miles 629 00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:49,359 Speaker 1: a day and carry up to thirt hundred pounds and 630 00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:53,439 Speaker 1: survive for ten days without water. Might have been cool 631 00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:54,799 Speaker 1: to put that up front in the show, but I 632 00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,080 Speaker 1: just I definitely want to impress on people these are 633 00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:01,399 Speaker 1: very resilient animals and very powerful as well, and they're 634 00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:05,640 Speaker 1: not as ungainly as you might think. If you've just 635 00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:08,600 Speaker 1: seen you know, works of fiction, or you've seen camel's 636 00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:11,239 Speaker 1: chill accent, which they're very good at I'm gonna give 637 00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:15,480 Speaker 1: them that. Camels can actually run forty mile. That's why 638 00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:20,680 Speaker 1: camel racing is a hugely popular sport in Australia, UH, 639 00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:25,880 Speaker 1: North Africa, Pakistan, Mongolia. People bet on it. People go 640 00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:29,279 Speaker 1: just to watch the camel races. There's this whole amazing 641 00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:34,239 Speaker 1: camel culture out there and the US. Uh. Frankly, we 642 00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:38,279 Speaker 1: missed our chance. We were so close. And it's not 643 00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:41,360 Speaker 1: your fault. If you're a camel listening to the episode today, 644 00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:44,040 Speaker 1: it is not your fault at all that things didn't 645 00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:46,880 Speaker 1: work out. I would love to see the rise of 646 00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:51,279 Speaker 1: more wild camels. There was a cryptic tale in here too, 647 00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:54,760 Speaker 1: because although camels were thought to have been largely sold 648 00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:58,640 Speaker 1: or killed off short in the years shortly after the 649 00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:03,439 Speaker 1: Civil War, people we're still reporting alleged camel sightings well 650 00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:05,920 Speaker 1: into the nineteen forties. So there might be a cryptic 651 00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:10,000 Speaker 1: camel out there today, all right, And that's a fun 652 00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:13,359 Speaker 1: place to leave this, uh, a little bit of a mystery. Uh, 653 00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:18,480 Speaker 1: and maybe there's there's more in store for the camel, 654 00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:22,200 Speaker 1: the the noble camel, and then this our modern times 655 00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:25,200 Speaker 1: um huge thanks to super producer you gotta help me 656 00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:28,160 Speaker 1: with this nickname, Ben, I keep losing it. This is 657 00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:32,680 Speaker 1: our guest super producer, Andrew a k A A how 658 00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:36,480 Speaker 1: a k A Cool Guy Deluxe a k A. Mr 659 00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:40,879 Speaker 1: Magic Ours Howard. I hope Casey is all right with 660 00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:46,120 Speaker 1: us giving Andrew like five nicknames over the course of 661 00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:48,919 Speaker 1: two episodes. Uh. I can't wait to hear what sound 662 00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,680 Speaker 1: cue you guys come up with, So thanks in advance 663 00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:54,080 Speaker 1: for that. I hope Casey's feelings aren't hurt that we've 664 00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:59,160 Speaker 1: just been showering Andrew with nicknames, Casey. Casey only has two. 665 00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:04,439 Speaker 1: He comes from a nickname economy. But we'll we'll, we'll 666 00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:06,880 Speaker 1: make it up to you, Casey, whether you want some 667 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:12,640 Speaker 1: new general nicknames, some audience suggestions, or some camel specific nicknames, 668 00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:16,520 Speaker 1: just let us know. Thanks, as always, of course, to 669 00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:22,080 Speaker 1: the quister a k a. Jonathan Strickland. We refer to 670 00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:26,040 Speaker 1: him by both names so often that sometimes I forget 671 00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:28,000 Speaker 1: which one is the real name, and which one is 672 00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:31,440 Speaker 1: the alias, and which one is him playing a character 673 00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:34,120 Speaker 1: and which one is actually him. He's a sly one, 674 00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:36,439 Speaker 1: you know. He's Uh. He's one of those dudes where 675 00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:40,320 Speaker 1: the line between the the alter ego and the ego 676 00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:44,480 Speaker 1: just blurred completely and I love him though I wouldn't 677 00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:46,960 Speaker 1: have it any other way. Hughes. Thanks to Christopher hasciotes 678 00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:52,160 Speaker 1: here in spirit, our researcher extraordinariy Game Luisier. Who else 679 00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:55,520 Speaker 1: we got, Alex Williams, you compose this theme as well 680 00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:59,080 Speaker 1: as our pure podcaster Eve's Jeff Coach. Check out her show, 681 00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:02,880 Speaker 1: and I would like to thank the Arabic language Arabic 682 00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:05,520 Speaker 1: speakers in the audience. Let me know if this is true. 683 00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:09,080 Speaker 1: I recently read that there are more than one hundred 684 00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:12,400 Speaker 1: sixty words in Arabic that means some version of camel, 685 00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:15,799 Speaker 1: so let me know. You can find us all over 686 00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:20,120 Speaker 1: the Internet, Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, not just as a show 687 00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:24,760 Speaker 1: but as individuals. I am at how Now Noel Brown 688 00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:29,160 Speaker 1: on Instagram exclusively. I'm on Twitter occasionally as a lurker, 689 00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:30,680 Speaker 1: but you don't really need to follow me there. Don't 690 00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:32,960 Speaker 1: worry about that, just stick with the Instagram. I I 691 00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:38,360 Speaker 1: am at Camel core Rise again on respect, live journal 692 00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,200 Speaker 1: and my Space. But you can find me at ben 693 00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:43,319 Speaker 1: Bullet on Instagram, and you can find me at ben 694 00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:47,160 Speaker 1: Bullet hs W on Twitter, where I get into various 695 00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:50,960 Speaker 1: misadventures Uh, I think that's our show man, but I 696 00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:54,959 Speaker 1: really want to just hang out with a camel. Same. 697 00:42:55,520 --> 00:43:04,279 Speaker 1: We'll see you next time, folks. 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