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Speaker 1: Hey, everyone. We know that tomorrow is election day, and

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Speaker 1: for all of my listeners here in the US, this

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Speaker 1: is your chance to make sure that your voice is heard.

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Speaker 1: This podcast is about how sports intersects with politics and culture.

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Speaker 1: So before we begin today's episode, here's a quick message

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Speaker 1: from Philadelphia Eagles defensive tackle Thomas Booker on what's at

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Speaker 1: stake in this election, especially for those of you who

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Speaker 1: may still be undecided. Take a listen.

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Speaker 2: What's going on y'all.

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Speaker 3: My name is Thomas Booker, and I'm just talking to you,

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Speaker 3: guys undecided voters this year election. First and foremost, I

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Speaker 3: think that is super important to involve yourself in voting,

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Speaker 3: in synthy engagement in general. I think that we're a

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Speaker 3: You know, I think this specific election is extremely important

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Speaker 3: because again, we're trying to figure out where we want

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Speaker 3: people rights to choose and have you know, freedoms over

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Speaker 3: things to happen. You know, I think, on top of that,

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Speaker 3: looking at how we create an economy where people can

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Speaker 3: people's disposed to bland up. You know, when I look

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Speaker 3: You know, as an undersided voter, I know that you

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Speaker 3: can feel like potentially your vote might not matter, but

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Speaker 3: that much more so understand that. And also again, you know,

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Speaker 3: We live in a country that's prosperous, that gives an

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Speaker 2: And if you have any.

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Speaker 3: Problems at the polls called one eight sixty six hour

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Naked Sports, the podcast where we live at

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Speaker 1: the intersection of sports, politics, and culture. Our purpose reveal

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Speaker 1: the common threads that bind them all. So what's happening

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Speaker 1: in women's basketball right now is what we've been trying.

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Speaker 2: To get to for almost thirty years.

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Speaker 1: From the stadiums where athletes break barriers and set records.

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Speaker 2: Cayman Clark broke the all time single game assist record.

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Speaker 2: This is crazy for rookies.

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Speaker 4: To be doing to the polls where history is written,

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Speaker 4: and now we have Kamala Harrison. It feels more like

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Speaker 4: women are sort of taken what they've always deserved, as

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Speaker 4: opposed to waiting on somebody to give them what they've deserved.

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Speaker 1: Our discussions will uncover the vital connections between these realms

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Speaker 1: and the community we create. In each episode, we'll sit

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Speaker 1: down with athletes, political analysts, and culture critics, because at

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Speaker 1: the core of it all, how we see one issue

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Speaker 1: shines the light on all others. Welcome to the Naked Sports.

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Speaker 1: I'm your host, Gary Champion. I could stand in the

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Speaker 1: middle of Fifth Avenue and should somebody and I wouldn't

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Speaker 1: I'm going to be very honest with you all. By

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Speaker 1: the time that you hear this podcast, it will be

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Speaker 1: the day before the election, arguably the most important election

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Speaker 1: of our lifetime. We find ourselves at a very critical

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Speaker 1: a very profound choice. One choice is that we demand

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Speaker 1: the fulfillment of America's promise, a vision that was intended

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Speaker 1: some will choose to reverse decades of hard fought progress

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Speaker 1: that will lead us back to an archaic and racist

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Speaker 1: ideology that serves only a privileged few. This podcast is

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Speaker 1: dedicated to sports, politics, and culture, but today I want

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Speaker 1: to help us process what has happened and sadly what's

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Speaker 1: to come. If I'm right, and I pray that I

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Speaker 1: am wrong, folks, we will not have an official president

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Speaker 1: therapy and a mental fitness education. Welcome to Naked Sports, y'all.

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Speaker 3: Hi.

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Speaker 2: I'm Elliott Connie and I am a licensed psychotherapist and

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Speaker 2: I am the host of the amazing podcast called Family

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Speaker 2: Therapy on the blackc Podcast Network. Being a psychotherapist, I think,

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Speaker 2: I think mental health is really important and there's just

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Speaker 2: so much I mean, for being totally honest with Trank Prayer,

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Speaker 2: there's just so much crap on social media and so

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Speaker 2: choices their lives. I've been working as a psychotherapist for

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Speaker 2: And it's been so fun, it's been cool. We're offs

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Speaker 2: at like eight hundred episodes is something crazy, but we're

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Speaker 1: Elliott's podcast, Aha Moments really did give me some hope

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Speaker 2: When I heard this, that's the big lesson I want

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Speaker 5: Success freequires your decision to not give up, and it

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Speaker 1: Why that simple message was something I needed. For the

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Speaker 5: Big lesson I want you to take from today. Success

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Speaker 1: It hit me I will not give up on this

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Speaker 1: heard Van Jones say this, and oftentimes he comes up

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Speaker 1: President Trump, Vice President Kamala Harris and former President Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump are not taking the same exam. He gets to

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Speaker 1: be lawless and she has to be flawless. That resonated

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Speaker 1: You can see the difference between what people are allowed

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Speaker 1: It's never about what you're doing, It's just about the who.

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Speaker 6: Expect her to prove time and a time again that

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Speaker 1: But for Trump, expect nothing at all. Think about this

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Speaker 1: how would you explain this to people who really will,

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Speaker 1: will be affected by this election? Disheartened? I remember twenty

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Speaker 1: because it's central messaging of white supremacy is what this

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Speaker 1: That code language of taking this country back to when

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Speaker 2: Not just white people, white men specifically.

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Speaker 1: White men specifically, because this is correct. So we get

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Speaker 1: what ifs of it? What if he becomes president again?

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Speaker 1: I feel like people are going to be calling you

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Speaker 1: telling me how do I deal with this? How do ill.

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Speaker 2: For sure, they called me in twenty sixteen, and they

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Speaker 2: if Donald Trump's elected?

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Speaker 1: So what is the where what is the purpose of

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Speaker 1: that pain? Where's the hope in that?

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Speaker 2: first of all, finding your purpose and those things, that's

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Speaker 2: an individualized experience, but in terms of like society, like

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Speaker 2: see what is happening psychologically in a way that I

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Speaker 2: By the way, I agree with every sylla out of

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Speaker 2: I know it's terrible, But in those moments, wait about Elliott.

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Speaker 1: I just want to take a minute to talk about

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Speaker 1: how ridiculous we said.

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Speaker 6: And they don't want us to be with their comfort there,

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Speaker 6: but don't.

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Speaker 1: Put me in coach. Okay, what they're doing over there

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Speaker 1: is crazy, but don't put me in coach.

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Speaker 7: But I'm using it as a example for comfort. That's

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Speaker 7: all fair, but will continue. Sitting in the middle seat

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Speaker 7: is an uncomfortable place, and I don't like it. But

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Speaker 7: what I do to counter it because I'm aware of

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Speaker 7: my own relationship to the expectation and entitlement to privilege

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Speaker 7: to comfort, I remind myself what an honor it is

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Speaker 7: to be on an airplane anyway, So am I excited

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Speaker 7: to be sitting on this middle seat for the next

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Speaker 7: three hours? Absolutely not.

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Speaker 2: But most people don't even have access to these airplanes

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Speaker 2: and go do this type of stuff that I do.

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Speaker 2: And when you remember that, it impacts your ability to

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Speaker 2: deal with uncomfort, and I think people have to work

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Speaker 2: at that. In particularly, I think the like power structure

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Speaker 2: that people in power need to like have access to

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Speaker 2: their relationship with comfort and the expectation too. Donald Trump

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Speaker 2: is a very, very, very dangerous man. And I say

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Speaker 2: that clinically as a psychotherapist. He's not a dangerous man

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Speaker 2: because he's a conservative Republican. He's not a dangerous man

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Speaker 2: because he is the head of the Republican Party. He's

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Speaker 2: a dangerous man because he has psychiatric issues. Now I

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Speaker 2: cannot diagnose him. I have not done an assessment on him.

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Speaker 2: But what I can say is the assessments that I've

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Speaker 2: done on clients over the years, I've got more of

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Speaker 2: a window into Donald Trump's life because he's a public

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Speaker 2: figure and you see all of this content, and one

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Speaker 2: of the diagnosis I would be considering would be narcissism,

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Speaker 2: and narcissism is an incredibly scary diagnosis. So I want

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Speaker 2: to like overtly say I think we're in very dangerous

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Speaker 2: times because a narcissist is very in my opinion, in

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Speaker 2: my non clinical opinion, in my I haven't done an

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Speaker 2: assessment on him opinion, So don't know what noney else

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Speaker 2: doue me someone who who potentially has those kind of

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Speaker 2: issues is this close to the White House for the

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Speaker 2: second time. But I will say.

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Speaker 1: This, I will say this. He wouldn't be the first

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Speaker 1: narcissist in the White.

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Speaker 2: House, I'm sure, but he's probably the most overt and

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Speaker 2: at the most dangerous time because he has access to

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Speaker 2: things that previous generation haven't had access to, which is

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Speaker 2: a twenty four hour news cycle, social media platform, tweeting

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Speaker 2: like those kinds of things. And so to go back

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Speaker 2: to the I want to put it on with some hope.

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Speaker 1: Yes, let's that's yes, I was gonna say, but give

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Speaker 1: me my hope and let's and let's let's let's swing

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Speaker 1: this all the way home as we wrap this podcast up.

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Speaker 1: Give us our hope.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, my hope is here's what we here's what we

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Speaker 2: do is. Like I said, I like rage because it's

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Speaker 2: actually healthy when somebody does something unjust to you. To

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Speaker 2: not be rageful is actually not authentic. So if someone

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Speaker 2: treats you poorly. To respond in a way of rage

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Speaker 2: is healthy in essence. If you get sick, to sneeze

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Speaker 2: is healthy because it means your body is responding to

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Speaker 2: the illness. If you hold in the symptoms of the illness,

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Speaker 2: excuse me, that's literally toxic for your body. So if

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Speaker 2: I do something unjust to you and you respond in anger,

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Speaker 2: people are like, oh, anger is bad. No it's not.

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Speaker 2: It's a healthy response to when somebody does something unjust

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Speaker 2: to you. So like own all of your emotions, including

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Speaker 2: things like rage and anger. And the other thing I

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Speaker 2: will say is, Carrie, you are a powerful, powerful force

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Speaker 2: in the media, and simply being willing to host conversations

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Speaker 2: like this is how we push back because most people

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Speaker 2: don't hear a very skill, a very well educated and

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Speaker 2: trained journalists having a conversation with a psychotherapist about that

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Speaker 2: intersection of sports, politics and mental health and media and

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Speaker 2: all those things. And hopefully, I hope any of the

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Speaker 2: things that we said during this talk didn't come off

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Speaker 2: as like a tax on Donald. These are just facts,

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Speaker 2: and I'm trying to explain to people how we process

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Speaker 2: information and then what that information does to us as

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Speaker 2: we process it, and how we need to be very

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Speaker 2: careful with the information we process. Never in the history

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Speaker 2: of human beings have we had to be more careful

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Speaker 2: with information. I have seen videos they call them deep fakes,

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Speaker 2: but they're really scary to me because some I have

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Speaker 2: seen people share a video of a very famous, well

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Speaker 2: known person saying something that I know they didn't say it,

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Speaker 2: but the AI video looks so deceiving to certain people

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Speaker 2: that they share. They're like, I can't believe so and

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Speaker 2: so said this, And I'm like, well, they didn't say.

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Speaker 2: Some computer genius made a video that looked like they

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Speaker 2: said it, and you just bought it. So the reason

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Speaker 2: why I think it's so crucial we have these conversations

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Speaker 2: about things like privilege, entitlement to comfort, confirmation bias, and

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Speaker 2: so on, is because never in the history of human

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Speaker 2: beings have we had to be more careful about the

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Speaker 2: way we process data because we can no longer trust

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Speaker 2: all of the information given to us, and unfortunately, I

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Speaker 2: think people just blindly trust.

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Speaker 1: I need more hope. You got you got two minutes,

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Speaker 1: I hope, ellis two more minutes.

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Speaker 2: I need more hope.

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Speaker 1: What if I think about what is to come? Even

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Speaker 1: if Donald Trump does not win this election. We are

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Speaker 1: not going to have a president November six, as you

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Speaker 1: will the day.

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Speaker 2: I agree, Yeah, I agree. I think that's should.

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Speaker 1: What where is the hope in fighting for something that

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Speaker 1: ultimately might land in the Supreme Court and we know

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Speaker 1: what happens if it goes there.

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Speaker 2: Here's the hope. You listen to the aha moments and

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Speaker 2: the theme this week or last week was about never

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Speaker 2: giving up. You fight for things because they mean something

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Speaker 2: to you, not because of the likelihood of success. And

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Speaker 2: the greatest example that of that is actually my personal hero,

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Speaker 2: which is Medeva Nelson Mandela. Nelson Mandel never lost hope

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Speaker 2: for his country while his country imprisoned him for twenty

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Speaker 2: seven years, and when he got out of prison, he

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Speaker 2: still had hope that his country could be different. So

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Speaker 2: the hope is we fight because it matters, not because

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Speaker 2: we think it'll win. I have to imagine I never

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Speaker 2: had the opportunity of privilege to talking with Eva. By

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Speaker 2: the way, you guys don't know, Nelson Mandela was his

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Speaker 2: actually not even his birth name. His birth name was

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Speaker 2: really schloslot Is. In early part of his life, his

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Speaker 2: teacher couldn't pronounce it, so she called him Nelson and

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Speaker 2: that's not but his chief name is Medieva, so out

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Speaker 2: of respect, I like to refer to him as Medeeva.

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Speaker 2: And I have to imagine that if I had the

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Speaker 2: opportunity to speak with him, one of the questions I'd

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Speaker 2: ask him is were there times in your journey where

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Speaker 2: you didn't want to carry on being locked in a prison?

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Speaker 2: He did seventeen years in one prison. He did about

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Speaker 2: seven years another prison called Paul'smoor Prison, and then they

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Speaker 2: moved him to a house. I have to imagine there

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Speaker 2: were times he didn't think he was going to end

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Speaker 2: the way it didn't. And I would say the same thing, like,

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Speaker 2: we're in a situation where's like I can't see this

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Speaker 2: ending well, but fight anyway because you fight because the

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Speaker 2: fight matters to you, not because of the likelihood of success.

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Speaker 1: And I believe in the promise of this country. So

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Speaker 1: thank you Connie for joining us here on naked You

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Speaker 1: were great, all right, Well, confirmation bias, kids, we know

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Speaker 1: all about it.

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Speaker 2: You know what I and what I want all everybody

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Speaker 2: to remember and carry personally. I want you to remember,

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Speaker 2: tell me the reward for your authentic journey happens in

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Speaker 2: the Mayor.

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Speaker 1: I'm not ready. I'm being my authentic self. I'm telling you,

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Speaker 1: I ain't ready to hear that. Got some bull crap, Elliott,

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Speaker 1: But you can work on me some bull but I'm

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Speaker 1: working on it. That's my authentic South.

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Speaker 2: And I know that when I showed up not being

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Speaker 2: my authentic health, I didn't recognect myself in the mire anymore.

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Speaker 2: And now I just see me and I want you

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00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 2: to always see you here. I want everybody to always

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Speaker 2: see themselves in the mirror. And if you can do that,

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Speaker 2: then we have a village of healthier people. And we

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Speaker 2: have a village of health your people. Society itself heals

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Speaker 2: and I'm so all in on society deal. Thank you, friend,

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Homie.

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