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Speaker 5: It's your friendly neighborhood moderator John Ley Brody, and today

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Speaker 5: we are going over season two, episode eighteen, Shroud of Darkness.

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Speaker 2: I'm doing great. I have had a chance to decorate

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Speaker 2: I have an Ezra or wait no, that's Sabine. Hold on,

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Speaker 3: So thank you here here, Yes, So ditto to all

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Speaker 5: The Ghost Crew once again finds themselves being pursued by

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Speaker 3: dead and then they pop up again like and you're like, oh,

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00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:13,800
Speaker 3: they're not dead.

434
00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:16,000
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think that's what I'm saying.

435
00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:19,200
Speaker 4: When you cross the barrier, the threshold, I think it's

436
00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:24,359
Speaker 4: like taking a psychedelgracy. I think if Hararah and Sabine

437
00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:26,479
Speaker 4: and I don't know if Chopper would be unaffected by it,

438
00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:29,760
Speaker 4: but Or and Zeb as well walked in, like Harrah's

439
00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:32,359
Speaker 4: father would show up in some way of letting him down,

440
00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:35,639
Speaker 4: and like is that real? And like with Sabine the

441
00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:39,200
Speaker 4: family and old Mandelor. I think she would be faced

442
00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:42,800
Speaker 4: with that. And that's why I think when those the

443
00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:47,320
Speaker 4: t when the siblings go in, they are they now

444
00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:49,280
Speaker 4: are faced with what they fear as well. It's just

445
00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:51,880
Speaker 4: weird that it's the same thing that we were just facing.

446
00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:52,439
Speaker 2: Hmmm.

447
00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:53,360
Speaker 5: Interesting.

448
00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:54,399
Speaker 4: That's my belief.

449
00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:56,800
Speaker 2: I do agree with you, Tia that I don't think

450
00:22:56,880 --> 00:23:00,000
Speaker 2: Canaan's character would come up with like a whole Broadway

451
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,639
Speaker 2: production nighting him as a Jedi. I agree with you

452
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,679
Speaker 2: that doesn't I can't believe that, But I do believe

453
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:07,840
Speaker 2: that he would be willing to die and then learn

454
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:11,320
Speaker 2: something he didn't expect that I agree with you or something.

455
00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:13,560
Speaker 2: I don't know, but I think your instincts. Yeah, that

456
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:15,879
Speaker 2: because he wouldn't he had such self doubt, you know.

457
00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:20,120
Speaker 2: But a shout out to the music in the episode

458
00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:21,639
Speaker 2: I thought was incredible as always.

459
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:26,720
Speaker 3: How about the cold Breath, Yeah, talking what how do

460
00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:30,479
Speaker 3: they do that? I feel like that started in this season.

461
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:32,199
Speaker 3: I don't think that happened in the first season, but

462
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:34,800
Speaker 3: there's been a doule times that we've gotten that. I

463
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:36,800
Speaker 3: feel like there was like some kind of a bump

464
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:40,399
Speaker 3: in budget for animation now we get cool stuff.

465
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:42,000
Speaker 4: That's what Henry said.

466
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:45,240
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's awesome.

467
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:47,480
Speaker 3: So now we get things like oh it's cold, I

468
00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:49,280
Speaker 3: can see their breath, which is so cool.

469
00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:55,760
Speaker 2: So yeah, go ahead, Taylor. Did you obviously you got

470
00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:59,199
Speaker 2: to work with like og Vader and Yoda. Did you

471
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:03,040
Speaker 2: interact with Frank Oz or any like? Did you remember

472
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:04,680
Speaker 2: were those things recorded separately?

473
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:08,960
Speaker 4: My memory is so terribly bad. I know that I

474
00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:12,479
Speaker 4: did Star Wars Weekends with Frank Ouz, so I them,

475
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,679
Speaker 4: and I know people that are close to him, so

476
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:16,560
Speaker 4: I talked to him a lot there, and so in

477
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:18,439
Speaker 4: my head, I'm like, yeah, recorded with him, but I

478
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:22,280
Speaker 4: zero quote. I know James Old Jones wasn't there. The

479
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:24,120
Speaker 4: only time I saw him was once I was living

480
00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:28,119
Speaker 4: in New York. He went because he had left one time,

481
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:32,000
Speaker 4: right because he was doing that Broadway play.

482
00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:33,760
Speaker 6: You saw him at the recording studio.

483
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I'm just get into a car. But I

484
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,760
Speaker 4: didn't say like you, I mean, because he was just there.

485
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,040
Speaker 4: They like had a separately. Remember I was was it

486
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 4: James Wong there?

487
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:42,320
Speaker 2: Yeah?

488
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:47,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, but that's what I wrote down. It was funny.

489
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:51,480
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, that's funny that like James old

490
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:53,680
Speaker 4: Jones like he was. I thought he just did Vader

491
00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:55,880
Speaker 4: at the very beginning of the show. Remember he had

492
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,240
Speaker 4: that like cold open thing. But then it's like him

493
00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:00,720
Speaker 4: going to lo Thal is why And I guess if

494
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,119
Speaker 4: my imagination, I was like, oh, now he's going to

495
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 4: face this here, but that's what I thought him walking in.

496
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:07,919
Speaker 2: Uh.

497
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 4: But yeah, I don't know. I thought Frankaster was there.

498
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:11,680
Speaker 4: I could be completely wrong.

499
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:15,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, I want to go side quest really not Psydequiest,

500
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:17,160
Speaker 5: but take a bit of a turn here, because let's

501
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:20,480
Speaker 5: give a shout out one to sokatanos Ark in this episode, yeah,

502
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 5: bridging the gap Attica, but also shout out to Ashley's performance. Yes,

503
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 5: it was like amazing. So I would love for you,

504
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:29,399
Speaker 5: the three of you, to talk about that and just like,

505
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,520
Speaker 5: what was it like revisiting this and absorbing this and

506
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 5: you know, because it felt like a continuation of episode

507
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:36,359
Speaker 5: three and this is going to bridge the gap to

508
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:39,359
Speaker 5: the season finale of this episode and then World between

509
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:40,679
Speaker 5: World and all that stuff. But I'd love to hear

510
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:41,119
Speaker 5: your thoughts.

511
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:49,280
Speaker 3: Well, we wouldn't have been in that recording session with her, I'm.

512
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 4: Sure, Tailor.

513
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 2: I don't need Taylors.

514
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, but if we if we didn't have enough to do,

515
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 3: we wouldn't be there.

516
00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,080
Speaker 5: If that means, well, no, I just meant you watching

517
00:25:59,080 --> 00:25:59,440
Speaker 5: it now.

518
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 3: Well, I had, as I've said over and over, I

519
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 3: had forgotten about this episode, and so I was almost

520
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 3: watching it for the first time, and I had I

521
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:15,359
Speaker 3: had more questions, but I don't want to sound like

522
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,680
Speaker 3: a dumb dumb so I was not going to ask.

523
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 3: But since we're all asking questions, I have some. I'm

524
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 3: embarrassed that I don't know, and listeners, please don't get

525
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:27,440
Speaker 3: mad at me, but like embarrass.

526
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:30,879
Speaker 2: So when there's that.

527
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:34,200
Speaker 3: Scene which is so so rad like when he's over

528
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:38,920
Speaker 3: her shoulder and he's talking to her and then to

529
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 3: Vader and she reacts, I mean that scene is so great,

530
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:47,160
Speaker 3: and I mean Ashley's great, Matt's great, like the animation

531
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 3: is sick, but like, Okay, my dumb question is did

532
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 3: she already know.

533
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 2: That?

534
00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:58,199
Speaker 4: I mean, that's a dumb at all. That's kind of

535
00:26:58,200 --> 00:26:59,919
Speaker 4: the scene, that's right.

536
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 2: I don't think so. I think she knows something has shifted, obviously,

537
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 2: that he's changed.

538
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:09,119
Speaker 6: But she doesn't know, no, and does she now know

539
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 6: when that happens.

540
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 4: I don't. I don't think. I think that's the fear.

541
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying, Like the fear would be okay,

542
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,439
Speaker 4: clearly there's an idea that this could be like what

543
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 4: has happened, but it can't be right, But that's the fear.

544
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:23,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree.

545
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 6: Do you guys think that Jac is like screaming into

546
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:27,879
Speaker 6: the voice.

547
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 5: Great fact check?

548
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 4: If I'm all this, we're all like everyone here, I'm

549
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 4: I admire how clever everyone is here. The fact that

550
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 4: we're trying to figure out and we were in it

551
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:41,680
Speaker 4: and we've still.

552
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 7: Like you know what I mean, Like I think I

553
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:46,920
Speaker 7: think there's no I agree, maybe we are just I

554
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 7: would love if JAC comes in and it's like, you idiots,

555
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,679
Speaker 7: this is what happened. But I think that is part

556
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,399
Speaker 7: of it a little bit, is that it's not the

557
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 7: most clear.

558
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:56,639
Speaker 4: And that's okay.

559
00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's so you're are you saying that like

560
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 3: there's I think, well that's helpful, that's helpful, but also

561
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:10,640
Speaker 3: like so that moment where you know, Anakin morphs into

562
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 3: Vader over her shoulder and then she kind of collapses,

563
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:17,359
Speaker 3: you know, with sorrow or whatever. It's not that she's

564
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 3: like learning the truth is that she's are you, Taylor,

565
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 3: are you saying she's sort of imagining what could what

566
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:25,159
Speaker 3: could be?

567
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:29,360
Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, the biggest fear, her biggest fear would be

568
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,199
Speaker 4: because the only thing that holds up lodging for me

569
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 4: is we all did face something we really feared, you

570
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:37,159
Speaker 4: know what I mean? Like that is uniform with all

571
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 4: of us where I think she would be most afraid

572
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 4: that that were possible, and then we know at the

573
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 4: end of this season when like the mask is like

574
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 4: cut in half, Like, yeah, that's no, it's corroborated what

575
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 4: I was most afraid of, And how am I going

576
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 4: to deal with that? Yeahs like haven't even seen every

577
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 4: Sommar movie, So who am I to answer?

578
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 5: I don't even know if that to help you at

579
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 5: this point. So I think you're fine. I think just

580
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 5: really it's her accepting that that's a possibility, but I

581
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 5: don't think it's confirmation because the confirmation comes later. But

582
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 5: I want to talk about that shot you talked about

583
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,239
Speaker 5: Tia when it's over her shoulder, because this was a

584
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 5: very like class This was like a Brian de Palma

585
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 5: cinematic shot. If you've ever seen Carrie, if you ever

586
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 5: seen Jaws. Have you ever seen a Scorsese movie. They

587
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 5: do what's called like a split diopter where they're putting

588
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 5: adapter on a lens where two focal planes can be

589
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 5: sharp at the same time. Wow, you have to do

590
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 5: it because you like the lenses, Like, can't physically do it.

591
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 5: So what I saw it symbolically, there's two things. One,

592
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 5: it's these two realities coexisting simultaneously. She's in the present,

593
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 5: she hears the voice of Old Master and then sees

594
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 5: what the possible present can be, even though they're not

595
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 5: in the same place at the same time, Like that

596
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 5: possibility is there. The only other time I saw a

597
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 5: shot similar to that was actually in Revenge of the

598
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 5: Sith when you see Anakin in the frame see and

599
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 5: then Obi Wan behind go Yo Empire d Like I

600
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 5: felt like, like we said, there's no accidents when it

601
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 5: comes to the Star Wars universe, I felt like full

602
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 5: circle like that moment in terms of the framing, but

603
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 5: I just felt like that specific choice to frame it

604
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 5: like that, it felt like very cinematic, and you don't

605
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 5: see that typically an animation or anywhere really in Star Wars.

606
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 5: For that man, I thought.

607
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 2: It was pergnificant. I thought it was significant also that

608
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 2: it was behind her. Everyone else had stuff in front

609
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 2: of them. This was behind her when Anakin was behind her.

610
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 2: I needed you. Why did you leave it? I think

611
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 2: it was about her.

612
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 5: Guilt, survivor's guilt.

613
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, that you left me when I needed you most.

614
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 2: That would have the worst outcome for him to become

615
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 2: such an evil being, you know, to me, it was

616
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 2: a rear projection of her guilt and then that flash,

617
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 2: and you know that it was horrific. As a Clone

618
00:30:56,680 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 2: Wars fan and even a Star Wars real fan, like

619
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 2: that moment for me was foreshadowing what is to come

620
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 2: when the mask is cut off and she sees his

621
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 2: eye when it is confirmed. But I thought it was

622
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 2: interesting that her issues happened behind her. Even Yoda showed

623
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 2: up behind her and she looked back to see him.

624
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 2: I just thought that was interesting.

625
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 5: She's like, you can't outrun your past sort of thing.

626
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 5: Maybe I don't know.

627
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean again, the roar shock of it, like, yeah,

628
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 2: there's no right answer.

629
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 5: But I do like that moment you talked about when

630
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 5: she waves to Yoda like he gets a little way.

631
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 5: It reminded me of Indiana Jones in the Last Crusade

632
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 5: when they leave the place where the Holy Grail is

633
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 5: and the night just kind of gets a little wave

634
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 5: to Indy.

635
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 2: That's sweet. Yeah, And what about Malikoor like that? I

636
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 2: love that. Ezra's like, who's Malcore's all?

637
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 5: I said that too, So I'm like, oh, I just

638
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 5: thought it's.

639
00:31:54,920 --> 00:32:01,239
Speaker 4: Adorable Malcore In other like doll Wars properties like a

640
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 4: famous of the way hoff is famous for things.

641
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,479
Speaker 2: Mom, we'll have to I think JC can regale us

642
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 2: on the intricacies.

643
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 5: Well, look, if there's not anything else you want to discuss,

644
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 5: because I feel like we left a lot of questions

645
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 5: on the table.

646
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 4: I have one. I have one, and this is like overarching,

647
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 4: big dumb. Why does Vade, like so Anakin becomes Vader?

648
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 4: Why does Vader have inquisitors and want to kill Jedi?

649
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 4: Like in real life, it's capitalism, right, you can almost

650
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 4: always go it's for someone to make money. Why most

651
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 4: evil is done. It's behind the guise. If something else

652
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 4: we're doing good, that's always not a It's like, how

653
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 4: can someone make more money and have more power in.

654
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 2: This is it? Is?

655
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:44,479
Speaker 4: It as simple as like Lord of the Rings, It's

656
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 4: just power get rid of Jedi and have ultimate dominion

657
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 4: over everything. Is that, like that's what the whole thing is,

658
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 4: jac Are you ready for.

659
00:32:58,160 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 5: That? I mean they could be that or is it?

660
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 5: Remember the Empire is trying to project this image and

661
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 5: these optics that they're the good guys. So maybe like

662
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 5: Darth Vader can't really be way out there of hey,

663
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 5: I'm hunting these guys down, but I can have these

664
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 5: guys go out and maybe they can't trace it back

665
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 5: to me. I'm just talking on my ass right now,

666
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 5: so I'm not saying that. It just kind of came

667
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 5: to me of oh, maybe his thing is like, well,

668
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 5: I can't have this come back to me because we

669
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 5: got to be this image of hey, the Republic's wrong

670
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 5: and we're the good ones. I don't know, but you

671
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 5: know whose if.

672
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 4: You're just killing someone though, like you know, if one

673
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 4: group is not killing people, another group is killing people,

674
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 4: it seems like simple math, like one is not necessarily

675
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 4: on the right side.

676
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 5: Right Well, you know, if you look around what's going on.

677
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 4: This is what I'm saying. This is why I'm asking

678
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 4: this though, like literally, because I'm trying to make like

679
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 4: it an evident thing, Like when one side is doing

680
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 4: a thing and another is doing another thing. How is

681
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 4: that not obvious?

682
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 2: It?

683
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 4: I think really impressive storytelling is when you kind of

684
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 4: side with the bad guy a little because you're like,

685
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 4: I get it, and that's why it's revenge stories. You're like, ah,

686
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 4: it's a bummer, but this happened to their kid, and

687
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 4: that's why it's happening. And we do understand it a

688
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 4: little because we're like, man, that's so tough. This I

689
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 4: have zero understanding of it, you know what I mean?

690
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 4: I even understand it more when someone's like, I want

691
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 4: to make money, You're like, well, we've set up a

692
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 4: terrible system where that reigns, and that is freedom, and

693
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 4: ultimately you can find this thread that gets to like

694
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 4: there is a utopia for some people if it.

695
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 5: Goes this way.

696
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:29,399
Speaker 4: I literally don't understand they just want to kill good

697
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 4: guys so that they can be bad or like, what

698
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,360
Speaker 4: do you see what I'm saying, Like you're just power.

699
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:36,840
Speaker 5: You're touching on something really interesting there, because it's really

700
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:38,840
Speaker 5: I think it always comes down to who's the one

701
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:41,800
Speaker 5: controlling the narrative. So I mean, but because we're primarily

702
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 5: through the lens of the rebels on those So if

703
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 5: this the shoe was slipped, I'm sure you could try

704
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 5: to through own psychological immune systems try to justify whatever

705
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 5: that action is. So I think maybe that's a testament

706
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 5: to that they did their job as storytellers from this

707
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 5: certain point of view, if you will, to use a

708
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 5: Star Wars term, because the in fact we don't understand

709
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 5: that it's okay, well because we're empathizing with the good guys.

710
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 5: I don't know, I mean, but it's a very interesting

711
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:07,880
Speaker 5: point you bring up. I don't have an answer to it.

712
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 5: All I can do is hypothesize with what I may

713
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 5: think or feel based on what you said. Look very interesting, Yeah.

714
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 2: It's super interesting.

715
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,840
Speaker 3: But also it kind of like makes you think of,

716
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 3: like looking at history, not even so far in the

717
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:25,760
Speaker 3: past history, and.

718
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 2: One might say current events.

719
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 3: It's like, wait, you have one side that's committing of

720
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:34,800
Speaker 3: atrocities and the other side is are the victims?

721
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 2: Clearly? And yet how in.

722
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 3: History, let's say, did so many people side with the

723
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 3: bad guys?

724
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,919
Speaker 2: Well, gaslighting propaganda and.

725
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:48,879
Speaker 4: It serves them usually in some weird ways.

726
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 3: Of course, an ultimately it is power and money, but

727
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 3: you know they go hand in hand oftentimes. So I

728
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 3: just as you were asking that question, I thought, wow,

729
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 3: there's so many real life examples where one is absolutely

730
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 3: at a loss to understand.

731
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 6: How can there be so many people that are I

732
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 6: guess they ignore, are able.

733
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 3: To somehow ignore the atrocities being committed, or maybe they're unaware.

734
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:23,760
Speaker 2: Which is even so much more dangerous.

735
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 3: Well, I don't know which was worse, but unaware of

736
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 3: what's happening because of blinders on propaganda being you know,

737
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 3: proliferated and people being victims of that. And so this

738
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 3: happened and you know, repeats itself throughout time memorium, you know.

739
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 2: So anyway, I remember Folony lecturing us about balance in

740
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 2: the force and that you know, there are different characters

741
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:53,240
Speaker 2: that come along to restore balance, and when the even

742
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 2: the Jedi get out of balance, there's a force that

743
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:00,080
Speaker 2: comes in to undo that. That that the pendulum swings

744
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 2: back and forth from Jedi to Sith, from Jedi to Sith,

745
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 2: and it's sort of it's an ongoing struggle as to

746
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 2: who is gonna you know. And then of course we

747
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 2: have the Death Star upcoming, and I'm sure JC can

748
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 2: speak to this sort of the where the narratives are

749
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 2: heading in terms of them blowing up planets that I mean,

750
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 2: what's the endgame? Why are they just going around and

751
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 2: killing people? They do want to? Obviously Order sixty six

752
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 2: wiped out the Jedi, but I think it's an ongoing

753
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 2: struggle for balance that I just remember Feloni saying that

754
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 2: there will always be someone to restore balance one way

755
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 2: or the other. But that the like we're watching the

756
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 2: reaction to what happened in the Clone Wars or you know, previously,

757
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 2: So yeah, I guess there's there's just.

758
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 4: Something point that actually brings me a bit of peace,

759
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 4: like hearing that, because I mean, this may sound like

760
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 4: a heinous comment, but also like too much goodness can

761
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 4: sometimes be bastardized in some way, you know what I mean.

762
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 4: It sounds insane, but like if it goes too far

763
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 4: another way, someone will capitalize on that. And like, you

764
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 4: do want a sort of balance, but you don't want

765
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 4: anyone to be hurt by anything. And when it's just

766
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 4: so blatantly lopsided, as we know forever, there's never been

767
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 4: a point in time that that has not been the case,

768
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:23,240
Speaker 4: I think it's just wild and you hope you find

769
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,280
Speaker 4: yourself on the right side of the seesaw.

770
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 5: Sure right, well said Well said, well, I think it's

771
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 5: that time, because so everyone that's been listening, I might

772
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 5: be rage babe, but we're about to alleviate that rage.

773
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 6: She's for upsetting anyone that we that we upset with

774
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 6: our question.

775
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 5: But if you're still with us, thank you, because you're

776
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 5: about or hit.

777
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 2: Us on socials with your theories and correct us. I

778
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 2: don't know.

779
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, absolutely, all right, jac what have we got

780
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:55,839
Speaker 5: a lot?

781
00:38:56,000 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 1: Okay, God, I was screaming on mute. Yeah, wildly screaming

782
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 1: on mute. It is literally the closest in in all

783
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 1: of the records we've ever done of me popping in

784
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 1: and unmuting my mic and just joining the conversation.

785
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 2: Kept us from blathering on.

786
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 1: I don't want to break formatt to jump in.

787
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 5: You know what, at this point, gloves are off. It's

788
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 5: going to happen. Like I'm glad we to push you

789
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 5: at that point today, But if it happens, please by

790
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 5: all means no, we did push.

791
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 2: Him to that point. He just really really fun.

792
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll get there in season three when we hit

793
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 1: world between worlds, I'm sure. So before we get into

794
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 1: all of this. John, you mentioned Indiana Jones of the

795
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 1: Last Crusade when he looks back at Yoda, that was

796
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 1: the one, or when Ahsoka looks back at Yoda it

797
00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 1: was it was almost exactly when uh Sean Connery looks

798
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 1: back at the.

799
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 5: Night almost shot for shot right, almost exactly.

800
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 1: To the timing, Like it's almost like.

801
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 5: The way he raised his hand up here.

802
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's almost exactly the same. That has to

803
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:18,280
Speaker 1: be in it's either the biggest coincidence or it's definitely

804
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 1: an homage to that.

805
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 6: So one person got one thing right in.

806
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 1: Half Credit Inquisitor was a former Jedi temple guard. Was

807
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,720
Speaker 1: one of the Jedi temple guards that when Barris Offi

808
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 1: had framed Ahsoka Tano for bombing the Jedi Temple in

809
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:39,760
Speaker 1: the Clone Wars, he was one of the Jedi temple

810
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:48,359
Speaker 1: guards that escorted her off to prison. His character, apparently

811
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 1: his background is he wanted more knowledge, similar to Anakin

812
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 1: and Jocasta Nu who's the Jedi librarian, would not allow

813
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 1: him access to it, so he became disillusioned with the Jedi.

814
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 1: That's he then became Grand Inquisitor.

815
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:07,760
Speaker 4: After Okay Okay.

816
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 1: The fact so there's the background on that. Okay, with

817
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 1: those things off the table.

818
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 2: You have to.

819
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:24,799
Speaker 1: Say, I am of the opinion that Taylor was like

820
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 1: almost completely right, and I will back it up with

821
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 1: evidence from other Star Wars on why I believe that

822
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 1: is the case.

823
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 2: Why wouldn't he be right?

824
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 1: So well, you know, I mean, we just put up

825
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:48,959
Speaker 1: the last episode where Taylor's joking around about the wamp

826
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 1: of being a Yetti. So, guys, so I believe that

827
00:41:56,600 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 1: when you go into that Jedi temple you are subjected

828
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 1: to the will of the Force in a way like

829
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 1: it's more concentrated, it's more real. But the Force as

830
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 1: an entity, similar again to God or whatever is not

831
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 1: a ghost, is not picking stuff and moving it in

832
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 1: the tangible world. It's affecting the way that you view

833
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:34,360
Speaker 1: the tangible world. So to talk about like Canaan, is

834
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 1: it all in Canaan's head in like, is Canaan imagining

835
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 1: this Jedi night ceremony like as a wish fulfillment thing?

836
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I think the Force at large

837
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:54,880
Speaker 1: as an entity is influencing the way that he is

838
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:58,319
Speaker 1: seeing the world. So it's not that this is in

839
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 1: Canaan's head and this is the way should have been,

840
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 1: and it wasn't this way. I think that God, the Force,

841
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 1: this bigger entity is speaking to Canaan directly into his head,

842
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 1: and so he Canaan is seeing these things behave in

843
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:24,959
Speaker 1: the way that him completing his trials, which is him

844
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 1: submitting to this fear and understanding that he cannot control

845
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 1: this fear and letting it go is his final tests

846
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:43,919
Speaker 1: to become a Jedi Knight. The evidence that I will

847
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 1: use for this if we are going to look at

848
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 1: what is canonical and the word canon. We use the

849
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 1: word canon all the time. That comes from religion, right,

850
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:01,959
Speaker 1: what is canon? To Shannon, that's where that word comes from.

851
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 1: So where is the cannon? Do you? Is the canon?

852
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 1: Like episode four, five and six, that's where the rules

853
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 1: for Star Wars are set out. If that's what we're

854
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 1: using as a guide, you can look to Luke's training

855
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 1: on Dagoba in Empire strikes Back. Luke's training on Diagoba

856
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:25,840
Speaker 1: and Empire strikes back. Uh, he gets cold and he's like,

857
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 1: what's in that cave? The Yoda says only what you

858
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:33,479
Speaker 1: take with you, and Yoda goes your weapons you won't

859
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 1: need them and Luke like okay, and he picks up

860
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:40,840
Speaker 1: his lightsaber and his gun belt and walks into the cave.

861
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 1: Now is Yoda saying only what you take with you,

862
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 1: meaning like Luke grabbed his lightsaber and he's going into

863
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 1: the cave, and there's a robot of Darth Vader that

864
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 1: Yoda built and put Luke's face in to try to

865
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 1: like tease Luke about like this could be your future. No, Like,

866
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 1: Luke goes into that cave and he fights Darth Vader

867
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 1: in the cave, Like there's not a burnt out robot

868
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 1: corpse of Darth Vader with a face of Luke Skywalker

869
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 1: in Dagoba twenty years later. That's like being taken over

870
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 1: by slugs. That's all in Luke's head. And when Yoda

871
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:20,919
Speaker 1: says only what you take with you, he doesn't mean

872
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 1: Luke's physical weapons. He means his insecurities, his fear, his

873
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 1: the things that he is afraid of. Right, And so

874
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 1: he goes into that cave, and that is the dark

875
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:38,720
Speaker 1: side of the force that is influencing what Luke perceives

876
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:41,799
Speaker 1: is in that cave. That's a test for Luke, right.

877
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 1: And then later on Yoda talks about your cave. Remember

878
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 1: your failure at the cave. Right, The failure at the

879
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:52,240
Speaker 1: cave is because Luke doesn't do what Canan does. Luke

880
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 1: doesn't let go of his fear. Luke ignites his lightsaber

881
00:45:57,080 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 1: and chops Vader's head off. And I'm not one hundred

882
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 1: percent sure, but I'm pretty sure Luke ignites his lightsaber

883
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 1: before Darth Vader does. Luke isn't reactionary to what's happening

884
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 1: and what he's being tempted by. He is the aggressor

885
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:15,799
Speaker 1: in that, which is a dark side trait, and so

886
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:19,320
Speaker 1: the precedent for what we are seeing in this Jedi

887
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:24,759
Speaker 1: temple is set in Empire strikes back through that that

888
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 1: Luke Jedi test, Jedi trial, Jedi trials, I do not

889
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:34,920
Speaker 1: think from my knowledge, and somebody can correct me if

890
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:38,880
Speaker 1: I'm wrong. I don't think they're like uh, standardized tests.

891
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 1: They're not like the SATs that everybody's that everybody takes

892
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 1: the same test. It always seems kind of ambiguous, right,

893
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 1: Like obi Wan passed his test, his Jedi knighting was

894
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:56,720
Speaker 1: a result of beating Darth Maul. Canaan's was different. Luke's

895
00:46:56,840 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 1: was he had to face his father and become a Jedi.

896
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 1: All of those things are wildly different, but they were

897
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:07,880
Speaker 1: all the same. They're all the same idea, which is

898
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 1: facing your fear, surviving that encounter, and coming out on

899
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 1: the other side as a more enlightened person. So I

900
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:23,879
Speaker 1: think this is it is like in a way, all

901
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 1: in their heads, but it's not. But it what is

902
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:30,360
Speaker 1: in their head is being influenced by the will of

903
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 1: the force at large. Does that make sense totally?

904
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:35,320
Speaker 5: Okay?

905
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 1: Does that make sense to everybody at home? So all

906
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 1: of that being said, where this starts to fall my

907
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 1: theories start to fall apart from me is in the

908
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 1: next season or season four, wherever you get to that

909
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:58,360
Speaker 1: world between worlds and you start there's some like physical

910
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:04,959
Speaker 1: things of time travel and physical things moving from one

911
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 1: space to another physically, where this starts to fall apart,

912
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 1: And to like what Taylor is saying, like the internal

913
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 1: logic of the story starts to fall apart. For me,

914
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 1: I prefer to think about it the way that I

915
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:22,839
Speaker 1: just described it, and I I have spent far too

916
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 1: much time as somebody that is a fan trying to

917
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 1: rationalize how the world between worlds doesn't become too fantastical

918
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:36,840
Speaker 1: for the rules that I kind of have always observed

919
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 1: in Star Wars. But we will talk about that in

920
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 1: a future episode. When the Inquisitors walk into that space, Tiya,

921
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 1: you were talking about, like, well, they all fight and

922
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 1: battle and this whole thing, like they are still going

923
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 1: to be subjected to because of their force sensitivity, the

924
00:48:55,120 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 1: same concentrated aura or whatever it is that is pushing

925
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 1: on our heroes, the villains, fears, the villains, everything will

926
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 1: be you know that Jedi Temple Guard was their boss,

927
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 1: so their fears and their insecurities and their worries are

928
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 1: going to also be brought to the forefront in that situation.

929
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 1: So they got crushed by the Grand Inquisitor in their heads,

930
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 1: but then walk out unscathed.

931
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 4: So I guess psychodelic it can be a good or

932
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 4: it's you will be faced with your deepest insecurities and

933
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 4: you reach like you go into a spiritual place and

934
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 4: you're like, I have to overcome this. And that is

935
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 4: scary because while it's not real, it's as real as yeah.

936
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:52,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, like at this point, Yoda exists as

937
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 1: a physical being somewhere else. Typically for years, there's probably

938
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 1: been like very little the blips of his force connectivity.

939
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 1: Now you have all of these people who are growing

940
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:09,840
Speaker 1: in the Force, who are getting more powerful. Canaan is

941
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 1: the first new Jedi in you know, years. At this point,

942
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 1: you don't think that's going to register in Yoda's head.

943
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 1: It's probably did. Yoda's last things that he says to

944
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:25,800
Speaker 1: Obi Wan at the end of Revenge of the Sith

945
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 1: are hey, Qui Gon learned how to keep his conscious

946
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:36,399
Speaker 1: in this world and exist in both planes. You've got

947
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 1: to train with Qui Gon to be able to do

948
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 1: the same thing, Obi Wan. But Yoda's learning that same

949
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:46,439
Speaker 1: trick from Qui Gon on Degoba. So is Yoda far

950
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:50,880
Speaker 1: enough in that training that even though he is physically

951
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 1: on Degoba, he can put his conscious into the heads

952
00:50:57,080 --> 00:51:00,160
Speaker 1: of Ezra and Canaan as they've grown more powerful on

953
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 1: the Force. So he, I think, is taking his image

954
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 1: and putting it in the heads of So Yoda's on

955
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:15,479
Speaker 1: Diegobat talking physically, but they are seeing him in their

956
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:21,240
Speaker 1: heads as he sends that message across time in space

957
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 1: to them. That's the way I interpreted it, and that's

958
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:27,840
Speaker 1: the way that at this point at least I rationalize

959
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 1: that disconnect with all of it. I think you guys

960
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 1: did a good job. Does Ahsoka know that Vader's anakin?

961
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:48,800
Speaker 1: I think that discussion closed its own loop. I thought

962
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 1: that Vanessa's observation about everybody seeing something in front of them,

963
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:54,759
Speaker 1: but Ahsoka behind I didn't pick up on that, but

964
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 1: I loved that. I thought that's so smart. That's one

965
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:00,200
Speaker 1: of those things that like when somebody else points out,

966
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:04,839
Speaker 1: you're like, oh my god, that's so brilliant, and it's

967
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 1: so brilliant. But it didn't need to be like, it's

968
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 1: like it just works like subconsciously until you notice it,

969
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 1: and then you're like, ah, somebody made that decision. So smart.

970
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 1: You guys talked about why does Vader want to kill Jedi?

971
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 1: Like what is driving that desire? The dark Side is

972
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:36,319
Speaker 1: fueled by hatred, fear, aggression. For Vader to become more powerful,

973
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:44,800
Speaker 1: he needs to continue to fill that well of anger, fear,

974
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:49,400
Speaker 1: and aggression, right, and so for him to continue to

975
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 1: grow in power, which you know, the only thing powerful

976
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 1: people crave is more power, right, he needs to continue

977
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:09,959
Speaker 1: that pursuit. Also, Jedi are the entity that kept him

978
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:14,280
Speaker 1: from learning the knowledge to keep Padme alive. The reason

979
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 1: Padme died, the reason he's become a mechanical cyborg monster.

980
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 1: All of that is a result of the Jedi. Hey, uh,

981
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:28,839
Speaker 1: we're gonna call you Jedi Master, but it's a hollow name.

982
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 1: We're gonna give you this, but we're not going to

983
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:38,400
Speaker 1: give you that. Like the Jedi spoke down to him forever.

984
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 5: He got a vanity producer credit.

985
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, he got a vanity producer credit. And as a

986
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:48,840
Speaker 1: result of that, he is a monster. Darth Vader views

987
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 1: himself as a monster. He knows what he is, and

988
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:55,920
Speaker 1: he believes again, if you you know, he has a

989
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:58,799
Speaker 1: conversation with Luke Skywalker, it is too late for me, son,

990
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 1: you know, the Emperor will truly show you the true

991
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 1: nature of the force. He sees himself as a lost cause.

992
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:08,279
Speaker 1: He knows who and what he is, and he is

993
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 1: on a collision course with with the end, but he

994
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:15,760
Speaker 1: cannot change direction. Which is why the end of Return

995
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:19,759
Speaker 1: of the Jedi is so powerful. Is his son is

996
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 1: able to derail that and make him feel that humanity,

997
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 1: that that he that even he didn't think he had anymore.

998
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:34,440
Speaker 1: Touching on the last thing about too much good good guys,

999
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:37,800
Speaker 1: bad guys, whatever, you know, if I post the question

1000
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:43,719
Speaker 1: to you guys, who is and maybe Taylor can't answer

1001
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:45,800
Speaker 1: because I don't know if he's seen it. Who's the

1002
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:49,719
Speaker 1: good guy? In episodes one, two, and three? Who are

1003
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:50,320
Speaker 1: the good guys?

1004
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:52,439
Speaker 4: Oh? What's his name?

1005
00:54:53,080 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 1: In episode four? Jearje Har But honestly, is is right?

1006
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 1: Jar Jar is innocence, He's the pure, He's the purest pure.

1007
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 1: Yoda and obi Wan Yoda and obi Wan Jedis are

1008
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 1: keepers of the peace. We're not warriors, right, but by

1009
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 1: episode two they're leading legions of troops into battle, and

1010
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:27,359
Speaker 1: they're so blinded by their their mission or whatever they

1011
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:29,839
Speaker 1: never stopped to questions like this is is this what

1012
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:32,360
Speaker 1: should we should be doing? Should be generals in a war?

1013
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:37,120
Speaker 1: War is against our philosophical beliefs? You know, do the

1014
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:40,640
Speaker 1: ends justify the means? Like there's a case to be

1015
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:44,160
Speaker 1: made that, Yeah, Darth Sidius is a bad guy. Darth

1016
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 1: Vader is a bad guy. But in a way, Mace

1017
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:49,880
Speaker 1: Windu is a bad guy. Like he's going to murder

1018
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:54,880
Speaker 1: the Supreme Chancellor without trial. He's going to be judge, jury,

1019
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:59,080
Speaker 1: and executioner in that moment, you know, and then Anakin

1020
00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:03,319
Speaker 1: steps stands for him, stands up for what is right.

1021
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:06,440
Speaker 1: Anakin's not standing up for Palpatine in that moment. Anakin

1022
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:11,439
Speaker 1: is standing up for the Jedi code, and the head

1023
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:13,520
Speaker 1: of the Jedi is saying, like, Jedi code doesn't matter

1024
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 1: in this situation, you know, and so I mean. And

1025
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 1: in episode two, Dark turanis Christopher Lee. Count Douku is

1026
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:27,960
Speaker 1: saying to Obi Wan, the republic is corrupt. The separatists

1027
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:31,480
Speaker 1: are actually the good guys. And if you fast forward

1028
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:36,919
Speaker 1: beyond Star Wars rebels, the separatists end up being the rebellion, right,

1029
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:40,279
Speaker 1: Like who's the good guy? Like you can say Bayl

1030
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:43,840
Speaker 1: Organa is a good guy. You can say Ahsoka Tano

1031
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:45,920
Speaker 1: is a good guy, and you can say Ahsoka Tano

1032
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 1: stays a good guy because she leaves the Jedi order.

1033
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 1: You could say Padme is a good guy. But even

1034
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:55,080
Speaker 1: Anakin is, Like you sound like a separatist.

1035
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:55,880
Speaker 4: You know.

1036
00:56:55,960 --> 00:57:03,000
Speaker 1: Separatists are bad? Well are you know? Are protesters who

1037
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:07,360
Speaker 1: are protesting a government that's going against what the government

1038
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:11,799
Speaker 1: charter is bad? Like the lines of the in the

1039
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:13,839
Speaker 1: prequels of who is good and who is bad are

1040
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 1: very blurret And I know everybody loves a good sports

1041
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 1: analogy here, But like, I worked for Major League Baseball

1042
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:22,480
Speaker 1: for a very long time and people say to me

1043
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 1: all the time, Oh, who's your team? Who do you

1044
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 1: root for? And I was like, I don't and it

1045
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 1: sounds terrible. I'm like, I don't really like rooting for teams. Like,

1046
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:33,080
Speaker 1: what do you mean you don't like rooting for teams?

1047
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 1: I was like, well, a team is a corporation. A

1048
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:40,440
Speaker 1: team is like no different than rooting for Walmart against

1049
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:47,120
Speaker 1: Target against you know, Amazon, You're rooting for this corporate

1050
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:53,120
Speaker 1: personhood of a thing that's jersey colors. It's maybe representative

1051
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:57,720
Speaker 1: of the place that you're from, but really the thing

1052
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:00,880
Speaker 1: that's representative of the place that you're from is the

1053
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:04,760
Speaker 1: ideals of the people who are executing on the field.

1054
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:08,240
Speaker 1: And so to become a professional athlete, the level of commitment,

1055
00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:13,640
Speaker 1: the level of dedication that it takes. You know, there

1056
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:18,080
Speaker 1: are fewer professional baseball players in the one hundred plus

1057
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:22,320
Speaker 1: year history of baseball, like they would all fit in

1058
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:25,880
Speaker 1: Wrigley Field and still have ten thousand seats. So it's

1059
00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 1: such an elitist thing to become that. You it's very

1060
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:33,360
Speaker 1: hard to be that dedicated as a baseball player and

1061
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:37,480
Speaker 1: then not cross the foul line, get onto the field

1062
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:40,800
Speaker 1: and turn it on and off, and not be that

1063
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:44,840
Speaker 1: ultra competitive. So when people ask me like who do

1064
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:47,440
Speaker 1: you root for? I was like, I root for players

1065
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:52,919
Speaker 1: who exhibit traits that I admire, who play the game

1066
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:56,959
Speaker 1: in a way that I admire. Similarly, in this era

1067
00:58:57,120 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 1: of Star Wars, who do you root for? This s Epartus,

1068
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:05,280
Speaker 1: the Jedi, the Sith. They're all misguided, they're all wrong.

1069
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:07,680
Speaker 1: So who do I wrote for? Jar Jar? Who do

1070
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:11,919
Speaker 1: I wrote for? Mail or Ghana? Who do I root for? Amidala?

1071
00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:12,280
Speaker 4: Right?

1072
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:15,640
Speaker 1: The people who who kind of sit in the middle,

1073
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:21,280
Speaker 1: who see each side as what it is? They're all right,

1074
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:27,680
Speaker 1: They're all wrong. They're all completely fallible. And in the

1075
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:33,320
Speaker 1: quest to balance the Force, like Vanessa mentioned, Dave used

1076
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:39,560
Speaker 1: to talk about with her, is you know, Anakin ultimately

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Speaker 1: balances the force by removing the Jedi and the Sith.

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Speaker 1: He wipes them both out because when he dies and

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Speaker 1: he kills the Emperor, the Sith are gone and Luke

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Speaker 1: is the only Jedi left. But Luke was never trained

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Speaker 1: in the Jedi temple. Luke was never subjected to the

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Speaker 1: hubris of the jed Edi and so he gets to

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Speaker 1: start from zero.

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Speaker 4: But as you're asked that to Yoda, he's like, how

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Speaker 4: can we be the good guys? If I fight? If

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Speaker 4: I fight, like, he doesn't fighting make me that guy?

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Speaker 4: And I think that's like the childish wonder of like

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Speaker 4: coming into the world. I think all of us, as

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Speaker 4: we were younger and we start learning what the world is,

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Speaker 4: We're like, this doesn't the same right either way, Like

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Speaker 4: how how are we supposed to find our way? And

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Speaker 4: that's the forever question.

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Speaker 5: There's no right answer. It's like, you know, like when

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Speaker 5: you read Machiavelli's The Prince, he says, get your hands dirty,

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Speaker 5: And I remember in college I wrote a paper about

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Speaker 5: that and how Gandhi had Machiavellian sort of tendencies. Maybe

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Speaker 5: he wasn't violent, but him going on hunger strikes maybe

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Speaker 5: isn't the ideal thing for someone to do. So that's

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Speaker 5: not great for his body, but it was still kind

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Speaker 5: of a peaceful protest sort of thing. So you're to

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Speaker 5: pig like what you're saying, Jac, it's like this book

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Speaker 5: by keep paying good, reasonable people, he talks about ideologies

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01:00:55,600 --> 01:00:57,920
Speaker 5: get wrapped up in joining like a social club sometimes,

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Speaker 5: and I think that's what you're kind of touching on

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Speaker 5: with like but their separatists, Like yeah, but have you

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Speaker 5: actually looked at what their policies are? Like what are

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Speaker 5: you actually believing in? And very interesting, Like I feel

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Speaker 5: like that's a whole bonus episode because we could probably

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Speaker 5: talk quite at length about all the complete complications of

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Speaker 5: that and intricacies of that.

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Speaker 1: It's why people don't like the Prequels, because you spent

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Speaker 1: twenty five years where good guys were white, bad guys

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Speaker 1: were black, and that was the genius of the Prequels

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Speaker 1: is George was like, Hey, I gave you six hours

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Speaker 1: of clearcut, good and bad. Now I'm going to give

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Speaker 1: you six hours where you have to figure it out

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Speaker 1: for yourself. It's ambiguous, it's not there, and I don't

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Speaker 1: think people were ready to accept that in nineteen ninety

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Speaker 1: nine in the same way that they're looking at it now.

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Speaker 1: And it's like, oh, oh, okay, I see you know.

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Speaker 2: His last line, Vader's last line when he says it

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Speaker 2: will be their undoing. The guy says that the Jedi

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Speaker 2: are getting stronger, and he says it'll be their undoing.

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Speaker 2: Is that because when one side gets too powerful, you

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Speaker 2: can count on it going back the other way, that

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Speaker 2: they will be undone by their thirst for power or

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Speaker 2: to fight.

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Speaker 1: I think it means a couple I think it could

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Speaker 1: be interpreted a couple of ways. As Ezra and Canaan

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Speaker 1: get more powerful in the force, it's harder to hide,

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Speaker 1: it's harder to go. It's their profile in the galaxy

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Speaker 1: and the force they stick out. Bader can sense them easier.

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Speaker 1: As their power grows, they have a bigger blip on

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Speaker 1: the force radar that those guys have. I think the

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Speaker 1: other reason is g is as Ezra and Canaan become

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Speaker 1: more enlightened, it is harder for them to stand by

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Speaker 1: and allow innocent people to be hurt and allow the

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Speaker 1: Empire to to commit atrocities, and so their call to

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Speaker 1: action becomes stronger, and it is easier to manipulate them

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Speaker 1: by inflicting harm on innocent people and draw them out

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Speaker 1: than it would have been if they were not as

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Speaker 1: strong in the force, and if they could not feel

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Speaker 1: those atrocities as deeply.

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Speaker 5: Because that's what happened to him essentially. Okay, wow, all right,

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Speaker 5: do we pass the class now?

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Speaker 2: So intense man and how applicable it is to present day.

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Speaker 2: It's just really very disturbing. I mean, guys, oh go ahead,

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Speaker 2: oh no you please?

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, go ahead, no no. I was going

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Speaker 1: to take it in a different direction.

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Speaker 3: Oh in that case, before you do that, I was

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Speaker 3: just going to say, I know, you do a lot

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Speaker 3: of things. You have a lot of projects, you're a

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Speaker 3: small business owner, you do all this other stuff. Have

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Speaker 3: you considered teaching a college course on this stuff?

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Speaker 2: Because like I would take it.

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Speaker 6: Being serious like a Ted talk, I would like you

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Speaker 6: should teach a course.

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Speaker 4: The university would do that too.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I.

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Speaker 8: Feel like there's there's Star Wars star Wars in the

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Speaker 8: classrooms to be and you know, forget about like film studies,

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Speaker 8: but like Star Wars, like applications to other things.

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Speaker 5: There's courses based around Jordan Peele movies right now after

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Speaker 5: getting came out. So there's complete validity in what you're saying.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's Star Wars classroom. Do you know the Star

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Speaker 2: Wars in the classroom? Folks? They like in all sorts

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Speaker 2: of Shakespeare plays too, and they it's it's like there's

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Speaker 2: a group of teachers who do this and they're all

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Speaker 2: pretty credible.

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Speaker 1: I think it's smart, right, It's more accessible for people

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Speaker 1: than you know, trying to get through the language of Shakespeare, right, especially.

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Speaker 2: At like.

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Speaker 1: Ten And if the goal is actually to have young

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Speaker 1: adults gain knowledge, I think if this is an easier

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Speaker 1: path to the intro of that, if this was discussed

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Speaker 1: first and then you give them Shakespeare, which is the

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Speaker 1: root of where a lot of this stuff comes from,

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Speaker 1: it maybe it makes more sense than challenging people with

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Speaker 1: like fourteenth century language to try to get the same points.

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Speaker 2: It makes you think if there was like a Patreon where.

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Speaker 1: I think hang out in terms of teaching a class, like,

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Speaker 1: I think I'm very good at responding in real time

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Speaker 1: to it. I think if I had to sit down

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Speaker 1: and drop a.

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Speaker 2: Lesson plan that you never know, body my.

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Speaker 1: Add would challenge me on that pretty heavily.

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 6: I think you would crush it. But that's just I'm

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Speaker 6: just planting the seed.

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Speaker 5: So we'll put two things on one. Michaels needs to

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Speaker 5: give a like a sponsorship indoors with Vanessa and then

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Speaker 5: also universities out there. Yeah, you know, any opening professor positions,

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Speaker 5: you know, JC, I'm not going to see you're available,

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Speaker 5: but I feel like you're open, like an interview, maybe

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Speaker 5: minus a professor.

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Speaker 2: Why not just add it to the list of.

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Speaker 3: Them and I will tell you you do it if

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Speaker 3: you have time for that.

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Speaker 5: There is an opening at Chapman University because a friend

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Speaker 5: of like, someone I'm friendly with just like, had their

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Speaker 5: last lecture there two weeks ago. So I don't know,

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Speaker 5: there's a possibility.

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Speaker 1: I was going to say earlier, there's a chance. Tell

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Speaker 1: you guys. Next week we also have a very heady

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Speaker 1: episode about a droid that steals a leg.

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Speaker 2: Very heady, very heady. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: If this hour was a lot for you, just wait

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Speaker 1: until next week where we talk about how does as

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Speaker 1: Than understand Chopper so well? And why is Chopper care

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Speaker 1: so much about the color of it?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, this week we got Jac's Ted Talk. Next week

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Speaker 5: is one hour comedy special that'll be here before it

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Speaker 5: drops on Netflix. Basically is what you're saying, thanks.

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Speaker 3: For speaking with us to everyone who is still listening.

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Speaker 5: I appreciate it, y, I think, well, JAYC, thank you

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Speaker 5: as always, and I'm glad that you haven't expelled us

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Speaker 5: yet from Rebel's University, at least not yet. You know,

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Speaker 5: there's still time. Time, There's still time, and we can

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Speaker 5: you know, I don't know, I don't know where I'm

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Speaker 5: going with that. Anyways, We will see you all next

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Speaker 5: week as always, and in the meantime, you know makes

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Speaker 5: you check out you guys and Jac's comedy special coming up,

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Speaker 5: and and uh, this episode was not brought to you

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Speaker 5: by Michael's, but it could have been, but until then, Taylor,

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Speaker 5: what we got je music. Potter Rebellion is produced in

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Speaker 5: partnership with iHeart Podcasts Producing, hosted by Vanessa Marshall, Tia Sirkar,

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Speaker 5: Taylor Gray, and Johnny Brody Executive producer and in house

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Speaker 5: star wars guru slash factchecker J C. Reifenberg. Our music

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Speaker 5: was composed by Mikey Flash. Our cover art was created

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Speaker 5: by Neil Fraser of Neil Fraser Designs. Special thanks to

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Speaker 5: Holiday Fran Aaron Kaufman over at iHeart, Evan krasgoor At,

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Speaker 5: William Morris, Endeavor, Tresa Canobio, George Lucas for creating this

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Speaker 5: universe we love so much, and of course all of

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