Speaker 1: Look man, oh I see you. Why and look over there?
Speaker 1: How is that culture? Yes, goodness, it's a moment in time,
Speaker 1: I must say and inform everybody that this is one
Speaker 1: of those guests. I'm just gonna go right into it,
Speaker 1: get right into it, because we don't have a minute
Speaker 1: to we don't have a minute to spare. In the
Speaker 1: words of Brook Ashley, Um, this is one of those
Speaker 1: guests that we've been meaning to have on for a
Speaker 1: long time. But let let me start off and say that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's also that thing of wow, the podcast has now
Speaker 1: like allowed us to meet someone that I love so much.
Speaker 1: And I'm not even kidding you, I said to Bow
Speaker 1: and I was like so many not to be Lady
Speaker 1: Gaga about it, but since memory in terms of like
Speaker 1: I remember places I've been when the music was playing.
Speaker 1: I remember one time I touched down in Los Angeles
Speaker 1: while Somebody, um, Somebody Loves You was ending and I
Speaker 1: was like, I'm ready to to like be here. It
Speaker 1: was like the first time I came to l A.
Speaker 1: And I was like listening to my comfort losing our
Speaker 1: guests and I was like, yes, it just kicked off
Speaker 1: the trip good. I'm just all things like that are
Speaker 1: all over. I have that. I have that for sure.
Speaker 1: It was walking down Atlantic Avenue, old old apartment, five
Speaker 1: years old, just about high society, okay, and I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: and this is I remember why. It was like a
Speaker 1: cold day. But it's like, no, I'm feeling great. No,
Speaker 1: And this is the thing. The catalog is rich. It
Speaker 1: is a rich catalog for me. It's like this, where's
Speaker 1: the greatest hits, Where's the greatest hits. It's warranted, It's
Speaker 1: warranted already. Volume one. I'm telling you, I think Ignored
Speaker 1: Me is my favorite song of all time. We have
Speaker 1: wasted no time. The standing is like we're a fount
Speaker 1: right now, We're truly a fount. I don't think it's
Speaker 1: been like this ever on the pod immediately like let's
Speaker 1: just there's no like banter, no, because I don't think
Speaker 1: anything else matters. What do you remember, Like I think
Speaker 1: it was like two or three years go. I think
Speaker 1: I saw our guests perform, Like I went to wherever
Speaker 1: they were doing a pride event. I was like, well
Speaker 1: that's where I'm going, right right right, this is New York.
Speaker 1: This is New York, baby, And I remember an iconic
Speaker 1: long blonde wig. That was happening, and I know you
Speaker 1: remember it, and that was that was the same I
Speaker 1: saw Normandy at that show, you remember the one. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, she's being very respectful. Listen. And here's the thing.
Speaker 1: I don't want that. I want this guest to come
Speaker 1: over here and stomp on my neck and spit in
Speaker 1: my mouth. Every Okay, we're just gonna get get into it,
Speaker 1: because the guest is a is an incredible, incredible musician
Speaker 1: that we love so much. And I mean, like, just
Speaker 1: like it's just it's just fruitless to even say everything
Speaker 1: that like has been created by this person because it's
Speaker 1: this is someone very very very meaningful to the community.
Speaker 1: Just let's just get into everyone. Welcome, Betty, this is
Speaker 1: it is a happy I'm vibrating. I'm so excited to
Speaker 1: be energy when you walked in. Yeah, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of energy. No, it's not even there, not a lot.
Speaker 1: It's just it was the right it was the right
Speaker 1: sort of flavor of it. I give good hugs. I
Speaker 1: also think that's really calling cod because she's a large lady,
Speaker 1: you know, so it's like rest of your head on
Speaker 1: my bosom, and I would have I've got a strengthen
Speaker 1: my yeah, yeah, yeah, oh my gods to it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Can you guys connect over this this this show. Yes,
Speaker 1: it was an HBO Pride show. Yes, yes, and it
Speaker 1: was so fun and I'm forgetting who else was there.
Speaker 1: It was you, Normany and Leland and I remember you
Speaker 1: in this long I've never seen you in hair like
Speaker 1: love half and really it was it was giving you
Speaker 1: a new doesn't that's my that's that wigges is called
Speaker 1: Brittany name. She's a bangsi um sort of little situation
Speaker 1: and she's past the breasts because normally I haven't. I
Speaker 1: have an angular face, so I lose myself in too
Speaker 1: much hair. I have to be strategic. I've learned the
Speaker 1: hard way. But there are wigs that do and don't
Speaker 1: work for me. So a bang is great, A bank
Speaker 1: frames my face well. And so a lot of my
Speaker 1: wigs are bangs, Maggie, and they're either like a short
Speaker 1: Bobby said, you have a lot of fun colored yes,
Speaker 1: bobbed fringeing. But then Brittany is a really powerful one
Speaker 1: and she's she's it long and I she was in
Speaker 1: the share video. I was in a share video and
Speaker 1: Brittany made Brittany was my hair in the share video.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Brittany. I feel like, now here's the question,
Speaker 1: are there different versions of Brittany or is there one
Speaker 1: Brittany that gets maintained. Now, that's the one Brittany that's
Speaker 1: like her in age of them have names, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. So that's that's Brittany Club. I have
Speaker 1: Charlie's which is the which is Brittany, but she's shoulder length.
Speaker 1: It's very atomic blonde. Yes, um, I have it's unoriginal,
Speaker 1: but I have Blue Ivy and Pinky and that's my
Speaker 1: blue wig and my pink wig I have. I have
Speaker 1: a Mary Joe and it's a bang ponytail set in.
Speaker 1: Mary is the the bang and Joe is the pony. Yes,
Speaker 1: Mary Joe is a great one. Oh my god, artistry
Speaker 1: even in the naming of the conventions of the wig.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is listen, this is the right podcast
Speaker 1: for this company. Absolutely. I know that I'm reading the
Speaker 1: room really well for the conversation about wigs. Um, but
Speaker 1: hair has been very cathotic and spiritual for me as
Speaker 1: as a lady who has had short hair my entire
Speaker 1: adult life, right right, So that has I am perceived
Speaker 1: a certain way often, So hair is like when I
Speaker 1: was in a tougher spot in my life, especially in
Speaker 1: like in my relationship to my career, hair would be
Speaker 1: what I when I was like, I don't really feel
Speaker 1: like going on stage. I don't feel like being myself right,
Speaker 1: And a wig comes on and I'm like she, and
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, I'm on stage and like,
Speaker 1: I don't. I think now I have a different perspective
Speaker 1: on it, and I think I'm really trying to like
Speaker 1: ground down into myself and not escape myself. And so
Speaker 1: I've actually the wigs are like in their bags in
Speaker 1: the closet. They haven't been out. The wigs are the
Speaker 1: wigs off for playtime. But I consider myself a professional
Speaker 1: performer now, and like wigs, I've gone out of a
Speaker 1: phase where now I'm like, I want to be me
Speaker 1: and I was so afraid of that for so long,
Speaker 1: and the wigs were the wigs were healing for me
Speaker 1: because I was like, this makes this fun again, and
Speaker 1: I need that. That's really really interesting because I've I
Speaker 1: think all the time about how like your parameters change
Speaker 1: when your hair changes whatever. But this is something that
Speaker 1: hair journey you feel you literally feel like a different person.
Speaker 1: And like but even like you know, like you talking
Speaker 1: your actors talk about like, oh, like Natalie Portman shaving
Speaker 1: her head for VF fora vendetta. It's like that, like
Speaker 1: she moved through the world differently, you know, like that
Speaker 1: kind of thing. And so this is a beautiful full
Speaker 1: circle thing for you. I get called every day everywhere
Speaker 1: I go, which I loved. But there is a part
Speaker 1: of me also that's like excuse me, I can also
Speaker 1: it's it's a large part of my I'm such a
Speaker 1: fucking bro, so it's a big part of my life currently.
Speaker 1: Also is this like finding the balance between my mask
Speaker 1: daddy energy and my like need to feel there's I
Speaker 1: could have this other weird sort of like Maryland in
Speaker 1: me that needs to be like busty and a cabaret star,
Speaker 1: you know, and it's like how can those two things exist?
Speaker 1: I mean, how do I like want to be Britney Spears?
Speaker 1: And also I'm a lesbian singer songwriter, Like there are
Speaker 1: all of these dichotomies within me that I managing. Yes,
Speaker 1: and and that is like its cellist and pop star,
Speaker 1: you know, like yeah, yeah right, we also damned about this.
Speaker 1: This is what we dm but this is our first
Speaker 1: moment of connection. And I told you this in the elevator.
Speaker 1: Was that like you, Betty and I connected. I think
Speaker 1: I got through to you, I think meaningfully for the
Speaker 1: first time. When I told you. I was on a
Speaker 1: plane going from like uh Sydney to Brisbane or something
Speaker 1: when I was visiting like five years ago with family,
Speaker 1: and I was you know, it's that thing where you
Speaker 1: put on your headphones you're on a plane, you fall asleep,
Speaker 1: but you're keeping the music on right and in and
Speaker 1: out you drift and hear something and it kind of
Speaker 1: like pierces through it like a very core lay contract.
Speaker 1: But I woke up at one point, drifted into consciousness
Speaker 1: when Blue Heaven Midnight Crush um, which by the way,
Speaker 1: is one of my like that is my dikest song.
Speaker 1: That is that is I love that it spoke to
Speaker 1: you and when it's so funny you gasped gasp when
Speaker 1: he said it, because I feel like that song does
Speaker 1: not get the credit because Blue Heaven Midnight Crush it's
Speaker 1: just such as they say it all the time, but
Speaker 1: vibe and I mean it really And this is what
Speaker 1: I was saying to Bow and as I was like,
Speaker 1: my I think, I think you have such an evocative
Speaker 1: voice and you really make like you you give that
Speaker 1: feeling of whatever it is you're singing about is very
Speaker 1: committed to, Like I'm not trying to sound cool. I'm
Speaker 1: telling you a story. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're taking us there.
Speaker 1: I it's a party drug thing where it's like I'm
Speaker 1: soaring and I mean it's like it's you know, I
Speaker 1: was one of my favorite songs is want to Be
Speaker 1: And just like by the way, and you said ignore
Speaker 1: me to which is on my independent record, which I'm
Speaker 1: actually seeing money from streams on my third record, so
Speaker 1: stream it promoted sister record is in the so she
Speaker 1: is like, I pay my rent with my actual music now,
Speaker 1: which has never happened to me until my new It's like,
Speaker 1: you know, a year and a half later and I
Speaker 1: got a role to check for the first time, I
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, for me, ignore me is
Speaker 1: on so frequently in my home that I may be
Speaker 1: responsible for like a week and a half of your
Speaker 1: of your rent. And when I when my first nine
Speaker 1: point nine cents single time, when I first was getting
Speaker 1: to know Brett Leland and um, I found out that
Speaker 1: he wrote that I literally like, I was like, that's
Speaker 1: just one of my favorite songs. And also we have
Speaker 1: to talk about the music video, which is one shot
Speaker 1: and one of the best things. I love that video.
Speaker 1: When I saw it, I was like, why isn't every
Speaker 1: and talking about this, I was like this, that video
Speaker 1: was believable. I actually I would love to know your
Speaker 1: thoughts on this because last culture Eastace, you have something
Speaker 1: to say. I have a lot of interesting experiences because
Speaker 1: of my specific demo. Right, So, for the longest time,
Speaker 1: my demo was exclusively thirty two year old gay white men.
Speaker 1: That was like the show boys Town Chicago. That was it, Like,
Speaker 1: that's the vibe. The ladies start to trickle in. I
Speaker 1: start to see our us diversify and I've met I
Speaker 1: love I love it. I love a bit on stage.
Speaker 1: I love to get to get the boys going. My
Speaker 1: favorite bits is like waiting for ladies. I see you
Speaker 1: finally joined us. Me and the homosexuals have been waiting
Speaker 1: for you for literally eight years. So welcome. We've known
Speaker 1: and I feel like because of that, some interesting like
Speaker 1: my socials like aren't really popping because I have like
Speaker 1: adult fans who like come to shows because they have
Speaker 1: independent money, Like you know, they are independent adult people.
Speaker 1: So I make money on tour like interactive experiences. My
Speaker 1: fans will show out and up ten times over, but
Speaker 1: the internet doesn't really reflect it, Like my YouTube isn't
Speaker 1: popping because like I just think I don't think of
Speaker 1: like thirty year old gay men as like the YouTube
Speaker 1: demographic necessary. That's like that's like a youth thing for
Speaker 1: the most part. Like it's interesting, Like people don't watch
Speaker 1: my music videos. This was the long the like long
Speaker 1: winded version of but which is so? Which is like
Speaker 1: you would never say that that would never be a
Speaker 1: phenomenon or a thing that would occur for an artist,
Speaker 1: let's say, like fifteen years ago. Like there would be
Speaker 1: like like the the the engagement from the listenership would
Speaker 1: reflect in the viewership of the video, you know, And
Speaker 1: it's such a I've just had such an interesting I
Speaker 1: think I think maybe everybody feels this way. I think
Speaker 1: I've had quite a singular experience while also sharing all
Speaker 1: of the like classic like every artist can connect over
Speaker 1: like label drama or whatever. There's like all of the
Speaker 1: fundamental things that I share with every person in music.
Speaker 1: But I've also had this very weird like it's been
Speaker 1: super culty, but then you know, it's just it's kind
Speaker 1: of like I've been very blessed that I have been
Speaker 1: able to maintain my My music lawyer, my entertainment lawyer
Speaker 1: said to my parents when I first signed to sony Um,
Speaker 1: I dropped out of Berkeley. I was six months from
Speaker 1: or six weeks from graduation, and I dropped out to
Speaker 1: go sign a record deal and like live in New York.
Speaker 1: And my parents were like, please don't do that, like
Speaker 1: six weeks you stupid baby. And I was like, no,
Speaker 1: I can, and so I was like I thought my
Speaker 1: whole world, I just like I had the spiral video.
Speaker 1: You know, you think there's nowhere to go but up,
Speaker 1: and you think you're so ready for it. At twenty one,
Speaker 1: I was like, bring it on, bitch, I am. I've
Speaker 1: been waiting for this moment my whole pucking life. And
Speaker 1: like there's so many things. I bis like, it's interesting
Speaker 1: how you just you grow and now I'm like, you
Speaker 1: think that you're ready, and now I'm like, I actually
Speaker 1: think I'm really ready now. And my entertainment lawyer said
Speaker 1: to my parents when all of this was going on,
Speaker 1: and I was like, you know, coming out of my
Speaker 1: first of seventeen thousand cocoons my entertainment, Laurya said to
Speaker 1: my parents, it is not about if, it's about when
Speaker 1: because and he said, he was like, because I believe
Speaker 1: she's talented, Like that's if she had no talent and
Speaker 1: she you were, but daddy was bankrolling something, and it's like, there,
Speaker 1: may it might not be it might be an if
Speaker 1: he was like, it is just about if you can
Speaker 1: afford to stay in it when things aren't going well,
Speaker 1: because things will not go well finally at some point,
Speaker 1: and if you can survive to come back the other
Speaker 1: side of it, Like it's just about that, which is
Speaker 1: so it's so sad, and it's been tenuets. You know.
Speaker 1: It's like and I think now at this point of
Speaker 1: my life, I'm just coming out into this like big
Speaker 1: next phase of like I've arrived. I think I've always
Speaker 1: been thirty in my spirit and I just turned thirty.
Speaker 1: And then I'm like feeling good, I'm feeling standard, I'm
Speaker 1: seeing zan, I'm feeling powerful. The music is great. The
Speaker 1: music is great, and it's I think it's the best
Speaker 1: music I've ever done, which you're the most excited about
Speaker 1: this new stuff. That's amazing. I'm like when we said
Speaker 1: at the top, like the catalog, I mean like society
Speaker 1: and you know what it is about songs like high
Speaker 1: society too, and really all your music is it's so
Speaker 1: it's so I see music videos in my mind to it,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's so visual, it's so color.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm always I'm always trying to. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: your visuals are great, Like you call that furniture and
Speaker 1: songwriting moniture here and there. It just matches, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like when the aesthetic matches what sonically
Speaker 1: is happening, like ignore me, like should be what it is.
Speaker 1: It's like it's like that all white moment and like
Speaker 1: just the way the sets move in, by the way
Speaker 1: your dancers are amazing. The chorea is always is always,
Speaker 1: so shout out my amazing choreographer who has been I
Speaker 1: met him. I was opening for Katy Perry. It was
Speaker 1: me and my band. I didn't have dancers, but I
Speaker 1: knew that that was where I wanted to be because
Speaker 1: I grew this is like, come on, so I grew
Speaker 1: up in the heyday as we all did. I'm a
Speaker 1: ninety one baby, I think so where we we have
Speaker 1: a similar sense memory of our youth. I grew up
Speaker 1: in Australia. So there's like a lot more Kylie maybe
Speaker 1: than there was. But otherwise she breaks through, not enough,
Speaker 1: but she doesn't. But so there are some like we had,
Speaker 1: you know, benchmarks that I've missed. But Brittany spears culture
Speaker 1: it was gonna be it. Maybe that is No, it's fine,
Speaker 1: let's get into Let's get into do you want to
Speaker 1: prompt me with the question what is the culture that
Speaker 1: made you say? Cultures? For you? There we go, Thank you.
Speaker 1: She the HBO Max, but now it's hbos Sorry, HBO Max.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's the HBO special Live in Las
Speaker 1: Vegas two thousand and one from the MGM Grand that
Speaker 1: performance that era, Brittany's twenty two shouldn't be as fabulous
Speaker 1: as she is for the like, especially now with everything
Speaker 1: we know, all of the context for the whole story,
Speaker 1: Like I'm seeing footage from that and I'm just like,
Speaker 1: it's so it is so much more deep and painful
Speaker 1: and sad. Now you're able to still enjoy it. But
Speaker 1: there is that darkness that you know existed and it's
Speaker 1: it's like rueful about it. Yeah, and you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: like and just you know whatever, it complicates, but you
Speaker 1: still enjoy it. We're all on the same page. But
Speaker 1: so that I grew up in the era of Beyonce
Speaker 1: and Britney Spears. I have a w W B D tattoo,
Speaker 1: which is what would Beyonce do? But it also for
Speaker 1: me is what would Brittany do. And then also my
Speaker 1: stage name is Betty. And I think that subconsciously, me
Speaker 1: being like wedged in between like two of the iconic
Speaker 1: performers and entertainers of a generation and of my life
Speaker 1: was probably a subconscious choice at eighteen years old. But
Speaker 1: like that was what I saw. That was pop star.
Speaker 1: That was like giving it all, That was rehearsal, that
Speaker 1: was we want to be perfect, We want to give
Speaker 1: you something that other people cannot do. And I like
Speaker 1: have this very strange experience going between the pot of
Speaker 1: me that is like songwriter because I'm like sort of
Speaker 1: a Missy Higgins Sarah Barelli's songwriter. That is my like
Speaker 1: what I grew up listening to John Mayor. I want
Speaker 1: to sit on I write this whole new record that
Speaker 1: I'm writing I sat at my piano or my guitar
Speaker 1: and I wrote all the songs and then I have
Speaker 1: taken them to go produce like I am, I am, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm such a like it is so much more hot forward,
Speaker 1: which is what I really wanted it to be. Um,
Speaker 1: But then like I don't want to you know you
Speaker 1: we talked about me playing cello. It's like I never
Speaker 1: wanted to be the girl who sat and like, who's
Speaker 1: the girl who played the cello because like I was like, no,
Speaker 1: I want to be Britney's like, but then I'm having
Speaker 1: this experience. Actually, Quarantine gave me a lot of time
Speaker 1: to think about this because I've been such a road bitch.
Speaker 1: I've been like you been working because I have. My
Speaker 1: fear is that if I'm not spending every waking, fucking
Speaker 1: moment of my life working towards my dream, doing something
Speaker 1: active that I can do, everybody else is gonna sit.
Speaker 1: The label isn't gonna call me. I can't get this
Speaker 1: person to fucking make my music whatever it is. The
Speaker 1: Only thing that I can do is make an effort
Speaker 1: to push myself for that and forward. And so that
Speaker 1: was tour for me because I was like having this
Speaker 1: experience all the time where I was on stage and
Speaker 1: I was like, this is working, So you can't you
Speaker 1: cannot tell me that I'm not doing something that is impactful,
Speaker 1: like we have a it's a community, it's credit. It's
Speaker 1: such an incredible experience. I think on on both sides,
Speaker 1: hopefully that's what I want, and I want to create
Speaker 1: a space that's like that was a fucking show, amazing show,
Speaker 1: and I'm like it's not and nobody else could get
Speaker 1: up and do this. That's the whole point. I'm supposed
Speaker 1: to be something special and that is that Brittany influence
Speaker 1: because because you're I ever so remember a time when
Speaker 1: it would be like all the like drivens and like
Speaker 1: the behind the music, like it would be really focused
Speaker 1: on them in the rehearsal room, like even like remember
Speaker 1: I think it was like The Life Is But a
Speaker 1: Dream documentary where it was a lot. It was around
Speaker 1: the era of four. Actually remember that Beyonce did this
Speaker 1: special and it's just her hyper focusing on like the performance.
Speaker 1: Obviously you got her like rehearsing in the black and
Speaker 1: white and like the that it's like that is not
Speaker 1: you know, and there's it's me trying to always manage
Speaker 1: how can I be both and something I've really I
Speaker 1: spent a lot of time. I got super obsessed with
Speaker 1: Black Pink during Quarantine. I've loved K pop always. I've
Speaker 1: always been big into the culture, the same rehearsal. I
Speaker 1: love rehearsal. I love when people are like, no, we
Speaker 1: took us weeks, and I'm like, thank you for the effort.
Speaker 1: Doja Cat is the pop star that we have been
Speaker 1: waiting for and that we deserve. We have been saying,
Speaker 1: like that performance that she did, I believe it was
Speaker 1: that the amazing and the Grammy talk about evanescence style
Speaker 1: of say so, because that is fucking range. That my
Speaker 1: favorite thing that she's done, isable number because also, what
Speaker 1: do you do when you have the biggest song in
Speaker 1: the world. You'd be playing it exactly the same way. No,
Speaker 1: you you wear wigs, you give something different. I'm completely obsessed,
Speaker 1: and I think there's this like emergence of that level
Speaker 1: of talent that I've been wanting to see. I love
Speaker 1: to feel like I'm not good enough. I hear that,
Speaker 1: and nothing sucks more than than looking around and being like,
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure I'm I could do that I think
Speaker 1: I could do that, not even better. It's like I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure I could do that, And you know, I
Speaker 1: think I think that like there is it should be
Speaker 1: like that, you know what I mean, Like we should
Speaker 1: be watching entertainers and those should be the entertainers that
Speaker 1: are really popping off because it is something supernatural. Like
Speaker 1: you were saying about Brittany, I mean she was super
Speaker 1: she hasn't she had a god given gift and whatever
Speaker 1: that thing was, whether it was her because it's like
Speaker 1: I don't think that this is like I'm not saying
Speaker 1: that I'm a bad singer. I think I'm a great singer.
Speaker 1: My voice is not my gift. My voice. My voice
Speaker 1: is a vessel that I get to tell story with
Speaker 1: and I love to sing in. Music is my life
Speaker 1: blood and music is my first love. It always will be.
Speaker 1: It has been. It like the way that you were
Speaker 1: talking about the way that a song can can be
Speaker 1: with a moment and how it has burned into your
Speaker 1: experience in your life. And then someone else loves that song.
Speaker 1: I'm getting goose bumps talking about it, and then you
Speaker 1: share it and you're like this is so special. And
Speaker 1: movies can kind of do the same thing. But music
Speaker 1: is the thing that you experienced why you're having a conversation.
Speaker 1: It's in the background at the grocery store, when someone
Speaker 1: tells you they're pregnant, whatever it is, it's like those
Speaker 1: It is with you everywhere. So that's the most special
Speaker 1: pot about it. Music is like better than any drug
Speaker 1: because it feeling drug that isn't bad for you because
Speaker 1: it like makes you like it alters your mental state
Speaker 1: for as long as you're listening to it or experiencing it,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't like rot your brain or anything, you know,
Speaker 1: like anyway. And it's but it's so it's so special
Speaker 1: and it's so exciting too. I look around and I
Speaker 1: think that like Lissa, she's a perform that's like her
Speaker 1: gift is It's like, yes, her voice is amazing, and
Speaker 1: like she has bits and stuff like the flute thing
Speaker 1: is so funny and she her like her gift and
Speaker 1: the thing that she's special is standing on stage and
Speaker 1: being like look at me, look at me, Like I
Speaker 1: am here to like make a vibe and make you
Speaker 1: feel good. And I think, I that's my gift. It's
Speaker 1: not my voice, it's my I can I can be
Speaker 1: like we're here in this room now, and we're going
Speaker 1: to have an experience together, and I want to like
Speaker 1: make you all feel seen and comfortable because I my
Speaker 1: theory is, this is my wedding. I love a wedding.
Speaker 1: I love a wedding. I'm the first one on the
Speaker 1: dance floor. I got. It's like, I'm so I'm ham
Speaker 1: at a wedding, and that is kind of my pop
Speaker 1: star energy is I'm like, if I am having so
Speaker 1: much fun, you have no excuse but to be like, well,
Speaker 1: she's really committed, you know what I mean. It's like
Speaker 1: I'm gonna set. Yes, I'm gonna and I say this
Speaker 1: when I'm in a like kind of a cold room,
Speaker 1: I will like a weird like corporate show. I've played this.
Speaker 1: I've played this show in a in a Hilton hotel.
Speaker 1: It wasn't was it Hilton. It was for a literally
Speaker 1: actually like a ballroom in a hotel competive floor. That
Speaker 1: the stage was the size of this table, which is
Speaker 1: what six ft by three ft, so the three of us,
Speaker 1: me and two huge six ft two boys because they
Speaker 1: have to hire taller than me. So that I can
Speaker 1: sometimes be a dainty little girl and I feel like
Speaker 1: they have to look like they can hit man handle me,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And so I'm like, we're
Speaker 1: doing this and it's thirty middle aged people who have
Speaker 1: literally never they're not gay middle aged, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. Like I'm looking at them being like they
Speaker 1: have no, they didn't ask for this. The one there's
Speaker 1: this is I get myself into these because there's always
Speaker 1: the one event planner is the gay guy. He's like
Speaker 1: and he's like, I'm gonna book you, bitch, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: thank you, I need it genuinely. And then I get
Speaker 1: there and everybody's like what's going on, And I'm like,
Speaker 1: we're just gonna have I'm gonna have a great time. Hey,
Speaker 1: you just sit back. If you want to join in,
Speaker 1: go for it. If not, this is a great rehearsal
Speaker 1: for us. Thank you so much. I will take my
Speaker 1: check and I will get out of your hair. And
Speaker 1: you're like, and here's I Love You Always Forever a
Speaker 1: song you know people, that is my go because it's
Speaker 1: the second to lost song in my set. I have
Speaker 1: always finished my set with I Have Always Forever. And
Speaker 1: then Somebody loves you Because somebody loves you. It's the
Speaker 1: rainbow song. It's all the rainbow lets go and we
Speaker 1: play and I always I'll be like, all right, thank
Speaker 1: you for listening to all of my music. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: play one that you actually will know and it gets
Speaker 1: all the moms and everybody's like, oh, I do know
Speaker 1: this song. It's such a great doctor's office there was
Speaker 1: song was. It's a genius one to cover too, because
Speaker 1: your redition of it obviously is so so great and
Speaker 1: it's like a friend enough from the original, but it
Speaker 1: is that song, you know what I mean, And that
Speaker 1: song is such a ba especially generationally for us. I
Speaker 1: think like that was when we were all listening to
Speaker 1: it was kind of like that time of like they
Speaker 1: played like thirty one songs on the radio and like
Speaker 1: that song was like top hits. Yeah, it was like
Speaker 1: that thing that was like top forty had like a
Speaker 1: rotation that didn't really change for a while, right, and
Speaker 1: like it's I think the key to finding the right
Speaker 1: song to cover is the one that if you start
Speaker 1: and you're like, what is this song? And then the
Speaker 1: chorus hits and you're like, I know, and because it's
Speaker 1: like you can actually bring life to it if you're
Speaker 1: doing like Ain't Nobody by Shaka Khan. It starts and
Speaker 1: you're like, I ever, I get it, and the rest
Speaker 1: of it is kind of just like chugs along. It
Speaker 1: starts like I know, I know, and I started out
Speaker 1: of it feels like and if you don't know what
Speaker 1: everybody's like, do it. And it doesn't until the chorus
Speaker 1: hits and everybody's like, oh I do, and then everybody's
Speaker 1: in it, and then it just keeps building and you're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: welcome hello. The secretaries in your brand, filing through habits,
Speaker 1: finally find it in your mind palace. Someone's like running
Speaker 1: through the holes like I have that. It's great. But
Speaker 1: you're saying when you go to that hotel show like
Speaker 1: what you still despite of the circumstances, your gift is
Speaker 1: still performance. Yeah. I think I think the thing that
Speaker 1: I have spent um my like gym of sort of
Speaker 1: my life has been in like performing. The thing that
Speaker 1: I have like grown sort of a callous around is
Speaker 1: being the being the one who was like I'm going
Speaker 1: to set the top because I've been in so many
Speaker 1: strange situations because I have this very specific demo, so
Speaker 1: it's like I've played every pride in this one. That's
Speaker 1: my like bitch. Like the memes that I saw when
Speaker 1: the pandemic happened and it was like Betty who filing
Speaker 1: for unemployment because the Pride season and I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: literally actually literally, So it's like that is my I've been.
Speaker 1: We often talk, you know, we've been to some pretty
Speaker 1: bleak prides, you know, like but are so important facts stage?
Speaker 1: Every time, I'm like, they need us more here, yes,
Speaker 1: every time, I'm like, this is and I know, like
Speaker 1: I played. I played a festival that was called I'm
Speaker 1: Not I'm Not Dragging, and the festival was great. I
Speaker 1: was not the right person to be at the like again,
Speaker 1: probably some homo was like we should get Patty who
Speaker 1: thank you. But it was roots and blues, so it
Speaker 1: was an all female festival, which I love, but it
Speaker 1: was exclusively girls playing guitars. And I get out with
Speaker 1: my track set with me and my homosexual and their
Speaker 1: washboard abs and I like boiled up legs. They are
Speaker 1: still hot and you know what I'm doing. I know
Speaker 1: what I'm doing. Yeah, but I'm like I come out
Speaker 1: and I'm immediately like oh and we start and people
Speaker 1: are like leave and that doesn't happen, by the way,
Speaker 1: that doesn't really happen. I'm like the number one person
Speaker 1: who would be like, I know you aren't expecting this,
Speaker 1: but you're going to enjoy this by the end of it.
Speaker 1: And it usually works. And so this was like a
Speaker 1: time when it was not working. And I was like
Speaker 1: four songs and I had my first break and I
Speaker 1: was like, I bet you're wondering what I'm doing here.
Speaker 1: I'm wondering the same thing. But you know what, Columbia, Missouri, tonight,
Speaker 1: we're going to have a great time. And people just
Speaker 1: kept I mean it's like they kept leaving, and I
Speaker 1: was like, this is it's still and I saw and
Speaker 1: you can see. So there's like the front V I
Speaker 1: P section that's supposed to be slammed with all the
Speaker 1: people who have their fancy wristbands crickets. Nobody's in the
Speaker 1: VP section, so it's just dead space between me and
Speaker 1: the one. Yeah, I think there was one. There was
Speaker 1: one gay guy over here, and then I'm making an
Speaker 1: assumption about her sexuality, but I suspect that there was
Speaker 1: one lesbian Gale in a Hukuru T shirt and the
Speaker 1: other guy was also in a Betty who T shirt
Speaker 1: and they It's like because if I feel often when
Speaker 1: I see people like that in the crowd, they don't
Speaker 1: just know the words I Love Yours Forever, they know
Speaker 1: the words to the fucking deep cuts that I'm playing,
Speaker 1: and they're like in the second verse like like on
Speaker 1: the rift, you know what I mean, And I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: like fuck, this is you were you were in the record,
Speaker 1: and it's so it's such it's like a shot of adrenale.
Speaker 1: I'm like, sure, I get so jacked up because I'm
Speaker 1: like this, you have been You're in Columbia, Missouri, and
Speaker 1: you probably came to this festival wearing your WHU Crew
Speaker 1: T shirt to come see us all of these like
Speaker 1: old middle aged people who literally don't give a funk
Speaker 1: about it's not for them. I know that it is
Speaker 1: for you, and I will not let you down, sir
Speaker 1: and Manton or anyone in between that you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Yeah, yeah, I mean Matt and I have
Speaker 1: performed to an audience of one and audience and we
Speaker 1: don't numbered the audience and it was screaming. Did they
Speaker 1: really enjoy themselves? Though? It's really crazy, like to think
Speaker 1: that that was like that was like six seven years ago.
Speaker 1: That wasn't a seven and we literally it was. It
Speaker 1: was like a like all show and like a baby base.
Speaker 1: But we really thought more than one person would come,
Speaker 1: but one more than and we did the show. We
Speaker 1: did the whole send. But but that was It's called
Speaker 1: rehearsal and thinking of Brittany Beyonce, rehearsal and it it's
Speaker 1: make it's putting you on the path to the moment
Speaker 1: when it's like I think that, especially in this business,
Speaker 1: I hear a lot about this and I see it
Speaker 1: a lot where it's like all of these weird stumbles
Speaker 1: that you have make you uniquely prepared for your destiny
Speaker 1: in whatever way that is. So it's like for all
Speaker 1: of the times that you have fallen on your face
Speaker 1: in front of that one audience member who you gave
Speaker 1: you put on the list, you know what I like.
Speaker 1: So it's like for all of that, like there will
Speaker 1: be some weird cosmic moment where you're like, isn't it
Speaker 1: funny that I've had a lot of that where it's
Speaker 1: like I played one show that was horrible and I
Speaker 1: was so mad and I was like at my management,
Speaker 1: like why am I playing this fucking show, nobody fucking
Speaker 1: gave ship, like this is so bad. And then it's
Speaker 1: like two years later one person was at that show
Speaker 1: who actually books for Jimmy Kimmel, And now you're stupid
Speaker 1: and it's real and it's like you to have the
Speaker 1: perspective enough to be like, well, another one buys the
Speaker 1: dust is like kind of easier said than done. But
Speaker 1: I think especially I heard you. Literally, I was listening
Speaker 1: to the Shawan episode who I love by the way,
Speaker 1: his husband, Scotty Yeah, follows me on Instagram. I don't
Speaker 1: think that's my aunt. Yeah, because Sean is a big
Speaker 1: classical guy. I'm trying to find my classical music people.
Speaker 1: I need someone to go to the orchestra with. Oh, yes,
Speaker 1: that's perfect. And I was like, I was like, I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure that Shawn Hay is gonna be my orchestra day.
Speaker 1: But he doesn't know that we're gonna we're gonna get
Speaker 1: I'm sure he knows you like Scotty's played you like
Speaker 1: in that. I'm sure, Yeah, Scotty is the one really
Speaker 1: holding it down. I get that energy. Yeah. I love
Speaker 1: it when someone someone is like um whenever I think
Speaker 1: like Anthony was like cooking in the kitchen and your
Speaker 1: ignored Me was on in the background, like a little
Speaker 1: bit of the first time he met. He was like,
Speaker 1: he actually Anthony the first time we met, he said,
Speaker 1: my his then boyfriend was like the biggest betty. He
Speaker 1: was stand by association. So I don't want to speak
Speaker 1: for him. And oh, I'm sure. I mean while he
Speaker 1: was cooking, ignored Me was playing and I was like, actually,
Speaker 1: I think when I met Anthony he said that, and
Speaker 1: I was like, and I made a joke because I
Speaker 1: was like, you're literally so hot, and I don't think
Speaker 1: he liked that, and I think that made him pull
Speaker 1: a little bit away from I feel like I I objectify.
Speaker 1: I would like to publicly time well peace of meat
Speaker 1: a little bit, you know what. I made a joke.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Army hammer one time, like this is
Speaker 1: years ago. I was, I was, let's just let's just
Speaker 1: blow yeah, okay, but it was a question about that.
Speaker 1: Actually this is like okay, I'm sorry, so sorry, you
Speaker 1: got it was sun Dance and he came in. This
Speaker 1: is like before all of it and like helmed by
Speaker 1: her name, so yeah, and I was I was like
Speaker 1: doing a fun little interview with him and who else
Speaker 1: was it? Um some someone else? He was in this
Speaker 1: movie and I'm talking to him, and I'm like, not
Speaker 1: like a journalist, I'm doing bits with everyone that's coming in.
Speaker 1: So my bit with him was like, oh, isn't it funny,
Speaker 1: Like we're here at Robert Redford's like Sundance Film Festival.
Speaker 1: He's like the hot actor of yesteryear, and here you
Speaker 1: are the hottest actor of today, and he really like
Speaker 1: shut down people. I think they don't like to necessarily
Speaker 1: hear about the hotness because and I'm kind of I
Speaker 1: was kind of annoyed because I was like, what, no
Speaker 1: one's ever made a joke about you being hotly pleased?
Speaker 1: Played the Winklevoss Twitter like that's like you're you have
Speaker 1: a vibe. But then I was like, I mean maybe
Speaker 1: they maybe like in their like a privileged way, that's
Speaker 1: their way of being objectified. Like but I don't know.
Speaker 1: I guess maybe another thing is like they don't necessarily
Speaker 1: know how to respond to it. Like it's it's like
Speaker 1: a maybe this is a controversial question, but I have
Speaker 1: a question about ms Hammer. Okay, I understand, like I
Speaker 1: don't know any let me preface I don't actually know
Speaker 1: enough detail to be speaking, but I don't, so I
Speaker 1: don't know about like consent or any of that stuff.
Speaker 1: So like, if that's involved, that's not the thing. They
Speaker 1: felt like there was a lot of kinks shaming going
Speaker 1: on surrounding the army of it all, and I had
Speaker 1: a feeling during it. I was like, if he changed
Speaker 1: his bio to Cannibal, we would all laugh about this
Speaker 1: and everything would be chill, but then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: he's being chased with pitchforks out of Hollywood. I think
Speaker 1: there were some consents. This is what I don't know about,
Speaker 1: and this is why I carefully. I I understand like
Speaker 1: the root of this question. And it's like if it
Speaker 1: were kind of distilled to that to like a kink,
Speaker 1: and like if he hasn't actually acted on it, and
Speaker 1: like it's like dirty messages with a girl who he's
Speaker 1: talking to and that's like she's like l O L
Speaker 1: do you like that? It's like yeah, he and it's
Speaker 1: just like he's like very unsafe. And then to have
Speaker 1: shared all of that, he's not like I'm gonna come
Speaker 1: kill you at your house. Give me your address, you
Speaker 1: I'm gonna come. It's like totally. I don't know. I
Speaker 1: don't know enough about it went beyond dirty talk. I
Speaker 1: think I think it was. I think it was like
Speaker 1: it like genuinely was dark. See I don't I don't
Speaker 1: know enough. I just know I saw some of the
Speaker 1: like his outlandish cannibalism king stuff, and I was like,
Speaker 1: honestly good for her, Like why are we you know
Speaker 1: you're all you can be in defeat, you can be
Speaker 1: into what have you And if you have a partner
Speaker 1: who's consensual and that then like rock on. Then the
Speaker 1: funny thing is like have they all the trailers for
Speaker 1: the new movie Death on the Nile are coming out,
Speaker 1: and like that's so crazy how edit around him? And
Speaker 1: it's so clear he's like the lead of the movie.
Speaker 1: They like him and Galga Dote, I think are like
Speaker 1: a couple who are like the lead of They didn't
Speaker 1: replace him, but it did not because he would come
Speaker 1: seeing it like he's not in it there, Like he's
Speaker 1: literally like like they'll be like a flash of him
Speaker 1: like passing by, and the trailer is so trying to
Speaker 1: cut around him and it's really fun, but it's just
Speaker 1: it's kind of crazy because he's the lead of the
Speaker 1: movie and you forget like, you know, this ship takes
Speaker 1: so long, like maybe they we're not over it yet
Speaker 1: for sure, And I know when it all happened he
Speaker 1: got dropped. I think he was supposed to be in
Speaker 1: married Me. Wasn't that supposed to marry me? But another
Speaker 1: shock wedding, which different he was. He was supposed to
Speaker 1: be in Shotgun wedding, and I believe got replaced by
Speaker 1: Josh Dummel, but that was like he was going down
Speaker 1: to Puerto Rico to go shoot it and then they
Speaker 1: were like you're not, which is probably the right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're definitely not over And I don't have enough details,
Speaker 1: but I just remember being like, just like, are you
Speaker 1: allowed to be a freak? Like so what? I bet
Speaker 1: lots of people I think that. I think that there's
Speaker 1: positive stuffy freaks and tons of freaks in Hollywood, and
Speaker 1: I think that he went beyond to the point where
Speaker 1: it's like, you know what's funny. You know what's funny
Speaker 1: is it's like I forgot when that always happening with him,
Speaker 1: that he was a big enough deal to warrant all
Speaker 1: of that, because he, to me, is always just kind
Speaker 1: of like he wasn't my favorite because around when Called
Speaker 1: Me by Your Name came out, there was this piece
Speaker 1: that I remember coming uh coming out about how like
Speaker 1: why has Hollywood given this man so many seconds? You're right,
Speaker 1: because he was He's been in a lot of flops.
Speaker 1: And it was like if a woman, are like an
Speaker 1: actor of color, had had that many like missed attempts
Speaker 1: at nailing it, that they'd be like, Okay, we're moving on.
Speaker 1: But I think it's like I think he comes from
Speaker 1: a very wealthy family and also looks that way, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So it's like they would love
Speaker 1: nothing more than to be able to put Hollywood loves
Speaker 1: to forget. Yeah, they for a favorite, for a favorite,
Speaker 1: they love to forget and be like, no, don't worry
Speaker 1: about it. But like, but I think we're I think,
Speaker 1: but I see. That's what's what's what's kind of being
Speaker 1: questioned right now by a lot of people. It's like,
Speaker 1: was he ever the favorite? Though? Like because I think
Speaker 1: he was just about to start working in like the
Speaker 1: sense of like army hammer works and and then and
Speaker 1: then this all happened. It's like, you know, also, we've
Speaker 1: given every hammer too much of our time at this point,
Speaker 1: like army Hammer has now taken up too much fun
Speaker 1: to talk about about. Army Hammer absolutely cannibal like a
Speaker 1: cool for you as long as you're in a cool,
Speaker 1: safe environment, are you Are you willing to try this
Speaker 1: some this this plant based mean alternative that tastes like
Speaker 1: human Oh, I don't know, I think, tell me more.
Speaker 1: It's starting to I've only heard like absolutely not by
Speaker 1: the way, no, because yellow jackets paper has officially gone
Speaker 1: too far. And if I start eating and this is this,
Speaker 1: I'm taking the kink out of it. This is just
Speaker 1: for people who enjoy the gustatory sensation of eating human flesh.
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. So there is I think I think
Speaker 1: now like this is a few years ago, but now
Speaker 1: like it's gaining traction, not too much traction. But there
Speaker 1: are like plants like like alternative force shot that like
Speaker 1: that tastes like human flesh. That's insane. So how do
Speaker 1: you who? Who who is like so like army Amma
Speaker 1: should be the face of it, you know what I mean? Like,
Speaker 1: embrace your weird sex chink And I think the shame
Speaker 1: of it is a part of the scary part. This
Speaker 1: is your this is your world, bro, We're just letting
Speaker 1: at it an industry. Now for me, it's not even
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's shame. It might be, but
Speaker 1: I'm here thinking I'm never going to try that stuff
Speaker 1: because if I tried, and I like, yeah, what then
Speaker 1: what what do I do well? And also like for
Speaker 1: at what? At what cost? I don't know, I don't
Speaker 1: I don't know what to what. And also I want
Speaker 1: to know who's in the lab being like, let me
Speaker 1: taste tested. Yeah, that's right, how do you know this?
Speaker 1: Remind But you know what we would be good for
Speaker 1: is for unsuspecting people who don't know they're being fed
Speaker 1: human because this is a true crime phenomenon of of
Speaker 1: let me set the stage for you. This is a
Speaker 1: like wives tale probably, but it's like six degrees of separation.
Speaker 1: I heard the story about a girl who was on
Speaker 1: a date, a tender, some kind of online date. She'd
Speaker 1: been talking to this guy. Yes, he invites her to
Speaker 1: his house always no always public place girls and boys
Speaker 1: for the friendly especially first couple of days. You're sussing
Speaker 1: it out, like for the love of God. She goes
Speaker 1: to his place, He cooks to her meal, they hang out,
Speaker 1: they have dinner, she eats halfway through the meal. By
Speaker 1: the way, this could completely be untrue, but I love
Speaker 1: it anyway, pretend entirely true. She halfway through the meal
Speaker 1: is like, I'm actually I'm feeling like like I have
Speaker 1: to go home. I'm so sorry. I'm like, I'm getting
Speaker 1: sick and I have to go. She gets home, she
Speaker 1: becomes violently ill, where she's like, oh, I have to
Speaker 1: go to the hospital. Like she is not okay. She's
Speaker 1: like shipping blood like it's bad. And she goes to
Speaker 1: the hospital and they pump her stomach and they examined
Speaker 1: and she had been she ate a human at dinner
Speaker 1: and he and they look the police get involved the
Speaker 1: whole thing. They look up this guy. He was it
Speaker 1: was an Airbnb. He had used a fake name and
Speaker 1: paid cash. His profile was fake. It didn't exist, like
Speaker 1: everything about him had been like all she had was
Speaker 1: the experience of it happening. But she doesn't have any
Speaker 1: photos of him, like his profile was like. So he
Speaker 1: got off on feeding her human and then ditched town
Speaker 1: and then literally was never to be seen again. This
Speaker 1: is one of the this is a film and he
Speaker 1: needs but here here's here's my circle is if the
Speaker 1: young lady who had been on the date had tried
Speaker 1: this beef you speak of that tastes like human, that
Speaker 1: this plant based. She would be like, you know what,
Speaker 1: this tastes like human. And I know because I've had
Speaker 1: the fake and not a whole meal. You're right, You're right.
Speaker 1: This is what we're spending. My mind is going a
Speaker 1: mile a minute. Cannibalism is in the conversation right now
Speaker 1: because of Yellow Jackets. Have you watched it? I have not.
Speaker 1: We neither have we because we're like scared. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know. For me, tv UM like
Speaker 1: taking in stuff from you. I I'm not I know
Speaker 1: your housewives, I'm not. I'm not a reality goes as
Speaker 1: far as The Bachelor for me, and I wasn't even
Speaker 1: a Bachelor queen. And then I told you, and then
Speaker 1: I was like, what is happening? Because I shot the
Speaker 1: you know, It's like, you know, I'm standing on stage
Speaker 1: at this random fucking high school of Blake from The
Speaker 1: Bachelor in the middle of nowhere in Colorado, and I
Speaker 1: had flown out for literally twelve hours because I had
Speaker 1: something else. And it was like, they asked me four
Speaker 1: days before, can you be at this high school. So
Speaker 1: I'm sitting in this auditorium waiting for and like and
Speaker 1: the producer is like, sorry, we're holding there like two minutes,
Speaker 1: two minutes, and then I hear we're holding. Sorry, they're
Speaker 1: making out against the walkers. We're holding, We're holding, And
Speaker 1: I was like, I have to watch this. This is
Speaker 1: my my entrance. Now, this context straight audience. This is
Speaker 1: context for me, like I have. Now I have to
Speaker 1: see this. So I watched. I started watching Becca's season
Speaker 1: from the beginning, and it was It was also really
Speaker 1: nice because Becca is like a fucking Betty who stand
Speaker 1: Really When I went to follow her after I had
Speaker 1: done it, so I could DM her and be like,
Speaker 1: so nice to meet you, Like so fun, I hope
Speaker 1: you find love whatever. I opened our DM s to
Speaker 1: go DM her and she had d M me three
Speaker 1: years prior, saying Betty, who when you come, I'm coming
Speaker 1: to your show in Minneapolis. Will you help me film
Speaker 1: my bachelor audition circle? And it was her audition to
Speaker 1: be on the first season that she was on art
Speaker 1: or whatever before I want well he was he he
Speaker 1: do you know about I don't I'm not a bachelination.
Speaker 1: That was crazy that was crazy. That was that was crazy.
Speaker 1: So basically he broke up with her live on live
Speaker 1: national television, and she was like, this is really fucked up.
Speaker 1: Like it wasn't like it didn't feel like I feel
Speaker 1: good for the camera's drama. It was like they did
Speaker 1: it honestly. Actually Cecily played her on SNL. But it
Speaker 1: was such a viral moment. Basically, like it's like the
Speaker 1: finale happens. He proposes to her, she's so happy, and
Speaker 1: then they can't see each other for like a few
Speaker 1: weeks or something or like, and then so the cameras
Speaker 1: Basically he had decided that he wanted the other girl.
Speaker 1: He made the wrong He really picked the wrong girl.
Speaker 1: So they were like, okay, well we have to film
Speaker 1: your reunion with her. And so basically they follow him
Speaker 1: with the cameras in he sits down and she's like, hey,
Speaker 1: it's so good to see you. And you can kind
Speaker 1: of see it married you can see a dawn on
Speaker 1: her in her eyes that she's like what's going on?
Speaker 1: And he's like, I've decided that it's nothing that you did,
Speaker 1: but I have to be with her. And basically they
Speaker 1: followed her melt down around the house and she keeps
Speaker 1: being keep being like like leave me alone, and they won't,
Speaker 1: and like people from Bachelor Nation, like from the show,
Speaker 1: we're tweeting like this is this is like this is
Speaker 1: too personal and horrible and I can't believe you guys
Speaker 1: did this. So's I can't believe you've done this. So
Speaker 1: it was so like bucked up. And then we had
Speaker 1: her season and she she so they made her the Bachelorette,
Speaker 1: which I love because she deserved her moment. And she's
Speaker 1: so cool and genuinely very nice. I've seen her. Actually,
Speaker 1: she lives in l A now and we're so Instagram friends.
Speaker 1: But she came to like six Betty who show, and
Speaker 1: so so the producer this is like the producer called me,
Speaker 1: and they make playlists for them because they're not allowed
Speaker 1: of phones because they take all of their months. So
Speaker 1: like but you're planes, trains and automobile, I mean pre COVID,
Speaker 1: everybody was going all over the you know, they film
Speaker 1: an episode and pouquet for no reason and you're wall
Speaker 1: like let's go. So it's like eighteen hours of travel
Speaker 1: time with no device, and so playlist producers make them
Speaker 1: playlists like big playlists and Becca was like just Betty.
Speaker 1: I just wanted to bet all the time. And so
Speaker 1: the producer called and was like, do you want to
Speaker 1: do this thing? Whatever? So I did the show and
Speaker 1: it was my first in because otherwise most straight people
Speaker 1: don't know me. I was like, Becca's my one in
Speaker 1: a million. She was like she was the first bachelorette
Speaker 1: that was like upfront about being a liberal Democrat like
Speaker 1: she because they're not really supposed to talk about politics.
Speaker 1: I think Rachel Lindsay said at one point, like it's
Speaker 1: like she couldn't connect with It's like a thing of
Speaker 1: like they don't want you to talk about it on
Speaker 1: the show because they don't they don't want to be
Speaker 1: disqualifying and they shoot everything, so you're basically meeting someone.
Speaker 1: In fact, the guy Backer chose like this is how
Speaker 1: I take interestingly about Garrett. And they are not together anymore,
Speaker 1: and she's now she found love on Bachelor in Paradise
Speaker 1: this last season. She seems very happy, God blessed. But um,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of controversy around Garrett. I don't know
Speaker 1: anything about anything. Garrett and Becca came to Nashville Pride.
Speaker 1: They were in Nashville and Becca found out that I
Speaker 1: was playing Nashville Pride, and she was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: can we come? And I put her on. I was like, sure,
Speaker 1: girlfriend show whatever the year or something. She's still with Garrett.
Speaker 1: He comes first of all. I'm like, for someone who's
Speaker 1: supposed to be like a transphobic, like monster, he's at
Speaker 1: Nashville Pride and he was like dancing and having a
Speaker 1: great time. So I was like, that's always it's already
Speaker 1: a great start. You know for what I this is
Speaker 1: just my personal I'll take it. I love I love
Speaker 1: heterosexual men who can be cool in a gay enron
Speaker 1: panic about it. That's my entire life. I have a
Speaker 1: very queer life and so like, if you're trying to ride,
Speaker 1: that's got that's you're gonna have to get down. And
Speaker 1: so like my husband, I lived with my husband and
Speaker 1: his best friend from high school to like extremely heterosexual men,
Speaker 1: and I have gave them up. It's so it's so
Speaker 1: beautiful and awesome. And like my very heterosexual roommate, he's
Speaker 1: definitely straighter than my husband was, Like, I can't believe
Speaker 1: how gay you've made my life, like genuinely, like I
Speaker 1: could never have expected that this but like all of
Speaker 1: my best friends. He was like Scott Hoying like all
Speaker 1: of his best collaborators, like all of these amazing queer people,
Speaker 1: and he was like I would have never expected and like,
Speaker 1: what a beautiful gift you've given me. And I was like,
Speaker 1: it's just atmospheric environment, Like you're just like you're just
Speaker 1: kind of like showing them things that have no actual
Speaker 1: that are just culturally like queer people, and your culture
Speaker 1: is is like it's like it's magic, it's joyful, it's
Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's ugly and gross and like really
Speaker 1: beautiful ways. It's yeah, I'm getting super into queer. I'm
Speaker 1: so we just moved, and so I'm getting really into
Speaker 1: queer art thinking about what I want to put or redecorate,
Speaker 1: and I like got super deep on Natsy looking up
Speaker 1: at all these like old like The Devil is a
Speaker 1: lesbian like old book, like like porny kind of from
Speaker 1: two So it's like it's really like tasteful and I
Speaker 1: think it's I love like old school queer stuff kind
Speaker 1: of from another time because now we all just get
Speaker 1: to be however we want to be and live our lives.
Speaker 1: And it's so fabulous and great and lucky for us.
Speaker 1: But I love this sort of like scary, like taboo
Speaker 1: spooky gay stuff from from pre the eighties. I think, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: what's your relationship with National Nat? You are you? Are you?
Speaker 1: Because were you working out of there, like like writing stuff? No?
Speaker 1: I feel like I've heard you talk about being in
Speaker 1: Nashville like I was. I was, I was working on
Speaker 1: my I'm working on my record with someone who lives
Speaker 1: between Nashville and Utah, So I was, I was writing
Speaker 1: songs in Nashville. And that's going to be a good vibe. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, he's um. He's definitely like red Red America,
Speaker 1: which is kind of a funny, like I'm trying to
Speaker 1: just make this beautiful, queer, like this songwriter record, and
Speaker 1: he's like, we have so many different kind of experiences
Speaker 1: in our lives, and I think we're finding this really
Speaker 1: interesting balance and I'm I'm super jacked about it. It's
Speaker 1: my long time producing Patna who I made my first
Speaker 1: three records with Peter Thomas, and his stuff is so good.
Speaker 1: Music is incredible. Stream Peter Thomas, look at what you've
Speaker 1: done to my favorite songs. Ever, It's like that's the
Speaker 1: lights off. And when Atlanta Stream Peter Thomas um that
Speaker 1: his uh look at what We've done is one of
Speaker 1: those moments like on the train coming across the train
Speaker 1: um from Brooklyn into Disney, when you crossed the bridge
Speaker 1: and you're above ground, and I was listening to it
Speaker 1: and I was like looking the sun who was setting
Speaker 1: over Manhattan, and and uh, look at what We've done
Speaker 1: was playing and I was like, wow, this is a moment.
Speaker 1: I'm having a flash right now because I remember well,
Speaker 1: first of all that and also like like the song
Speaker 1: just thought you should know. Like when I first heard that,
Speaker 1: I was like, wow, this is like you just so
Speaker 1: happened to lyrically and like Sonic you're like, yeah, my
Speaker 1: life Yeah. And so I really wanted to get back
Speaker 1: with my ex at point, and I was like, I
Speaker 1: was like, the song is perfectly saying what I want
Speaker 1: to say, and it's good that I didn't act on
Speaker 1: those impulses looking back, but like that's why the song
Speaker 1: instead of did the thing exactly? Why let me live
Speaker 1: out this thing in a song. There's a big pot
Speaker 1: of especially like as a married lady at thirty, my
Speaker 1: life is I don't I'm not trying to like I
Speaker 1: have a lot of experience. I do things for the
Speaker 1: experience a lot. I love Like I was never I
Speaker 1: don't have taste like taste as far as like men
Speaker 1: or women, like if you can make me like I've
Speaker 1: never I've always been just down because I'm like, so what,
Speaker 1: especially at like twenty three, I was like, cool, I'll
Speaker 1: have some weird experience with this person I would never
Speaker 1: ordinarily go out with, and how rich does that make
Speaker 1: my life? Like I've always been? But now I can't.
Speaker 1: It's I have less of that, uh agency by choice,
Speaker 1: because I want to have like kind of a stable,
Speaker 1: you know, emotional life, and so there's a lot of
Speaker 1: I think my responsibility and songwriting I think about right,
Speaker 1: like I want to write the experience, and also I
Speaker 1: think putting words to an experience that it was so
Speaker 1: real for me, so that when other people don't have
Speaker 1: the you go, oh my god, how did like Joni
Speaker 1: Mitchell did that for me? When I was a teenager,
Speaker 1: it was like, how do you know what it is?
Speaker 1: Because I know it's a feeling, but I don't know
Speaker 1: what it is. And then you hear it and you go,
Speaker 1: that's what it is, and that's like, so I'm trying
Speaker 1: to really like get super microscopic and go in on
Speaker 1: a real specific feeling or experience that I go like,
Speaker 1: I've never heard a song about this thing, like about
Speaker 1: this one moment if you zoom so far in so
Speaker 1: that like, yes, it might be more niche, but then
Speaker 1: the people who it speaks too, it speaks to tenfold.
Speaker 1: And I think that's kind of where I'm I'm doing
Speaker 1: a lot of different stuff. I'm trying to like really
Speaker 1: focus at using my music career as like a very
Speaker 1: specific niche stuff because I'm lucky enough to now there's
Speaker 1: a bunch of stuff coming up in my career that
Speaker 1: are all very different to what I've been doing for
Speaker 1: a long time because Quarantine made us all have to
Speaker 1: pivot for something, you know, especially as a touring musician,
Speaker 1: I go like, Okay, what figure adapt you know that
Speaker 1: absolutely So there's been a lot of change and growth,
Speaker 1: and so it's cool too then come back to my
Speaker 1: music and be like, well, now that I have all
Speaker 1: of these other outlets, like there's less of me needing
Speaker 1: to prove stuff inn because it was like the only
Speaker 1: way I could express myself for so long it was
Speaker 1: my only outlet and that was really unhealthy. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm like writing music for an animated kids show that
Speaker 1: where we just got the pilot picked up and that's
Speaker 1: gonna be and I'm so and I'm like obsessed with
Speaker 1: it and I'm so passionate about it. And it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: I get to write like a boy band song. And
Speaker 1: then it's so it's like, now, Betty who record doesn't
Speaker 1: have to be I love instinct, but I love this
Speaker 1: thing and I want to explore all these different genres.
Speaker 1: It's like I get to do that now on the
Speaker 1: show that it's meant for, and I get to be
Speaker 1: more strategic about what I actually want to put on
Speaker 1: my record because I don't have all of this stuff
Speaker 1: that's like desperate to get out of me too, you know,
Speaker 1: I have somewhere else to put that. And it's like, really,
Speaker 1: I'm really pumped. That's the thing that's Jack Dallist, You're
Speaker 1: dracked up. I can tell you jacked up, well you were.
Speaker 1: You wrote this some I think you posted your your
Speaker 1: artists streams for Spotify at the end of the year
Speaker 1: and I and I think you. I think the first
Speaker 1: line was like I mean not bad for someone who's
Speaker 1: like put out something you know in a while and
Speaker 1: like and it ended up just being this beautiful love
Speaker 1: letter to like the fans, and you're like, this is
Speaker 1: the reason why, like the numbers are still like this
Speaker 1: despite the output or whatever, you know, and like because
Speaker 1: you're a soundtrack. Because you're a soundtrack. That's what I
Speaker 1: just I love that you say that, because that's exactly
Speaker 1: what I'm trying to do. So great because because because
Speaker 1: just a second ago when like Matt, when you were
Speaker 1: I think I think you joked half joked like yeah,
Speaker 1: this song is about you that you weren't joking because
Speaker 1: I know because I know that you were like, oh
Speaker 1: that's literally and I'm like, no know, because I mean
Speaker 1: that's I'm so happy that you're happy. Now, wait, that's
Speaker 1: a lot that like the immediacy in the writing like that,
Speaker 1: like discussion with yourself, Like I'm just gonna say that
Speaker 1: that's not even true. I'm bailing on myself mid thought,
Speaker 1: like I don't know, it's just like it really and
Speaker 1: I think because a stream conscious thing, and also because
Speaker 1: music can exists inside you, like you experience it up
Speaker 1: here in your brain and in your heart your head
Speaker 1: movies and yes, and so like that is you know,
Speaker 1: it's just it's not every writer that can just do that,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like and also it's like
Speaker 1: when you're sitting down to try I think the people
Speaker 1: make the mistake of, um, I'm going to write a
Speaker 1: hit and they think it's like and the ship is
Speaker 1: long sailed for me on a hit song to that
Speaker 1: capacity to like it's funny. I was actually I was,
Speaker 1: I was listening, I was on the pane. I cut
Speaker 1: you off and I'm so sorry and I really want
Speaker 1: to hear what you have to say. All I'm saying
Speaker 1: is like it's that specificity that is actually more universal,
Speaker 1: and it's like even in comedy and like it's it's
Speaker 1: so interesting sometimes when you get notes that are like
Speaker 1: how do we make this this and it's like no, no,
Speaker 1: no exist in the specificity. It's like when when I
Speaker 1: when I was auditioning for a pilot season like a
Speaker 1: couple of years ago, like I would I would see
Speaker 1: every network script and it felt like they were trying
Speaker 1: to appeal to everyone and they were trying to like
Speaker 1: type that happened to like a device like what's going
Speaker 1: to be a hit show in and it's like, um,
Speaker 1: you know, like it's like has like this diverse cast
Speaker 1: and it's like about this thing and it's like a
Speaker 1: woke joke, like a wolke joke and in the sort
Speaker 1: of like the bad parts of it and just like
Speaker 1: that where it's like trying so hard to be the
Speaker 1: thing instead of telling a specific, authentic story about what
Speaker 1: it is. And it's like that with music too, you
Speaker 1: know what they can cat Yeah, such a it's so
Speaker 1: like Pepe poopoo. It's like okay and what else, like
Speaker 1: we get it. But that's that's such a I think
Speaker 1: it's hot in I'm I'm in my first four into
Speaker 1: film and TV. Um. We have a matual friend, Sam Lensky.
Speaker 1: I think Sammy, Sam and I are writing a movie
Speaker 1: musical together. Actually he told me yes, and it's really
Speaker 1: I think it's fierce. You would help that. I think
Speaker 1: it's great. Oh my god, he's incredible And we've had
Speaker 1: a real it's been such an eye opening experience to
Speaker 1: save the cat me screenwriting and doing that, and it's
Speaker 1: something I've gotten really into and I think I hope
Speaker 1: Sam and I are going to do a lot more
Speaker 1: of it. Together, which is really fun. Um. But that's
Speaker 1: like the thing about music that's so specific to it
Speaker 1: because I had a really different experience in screenwriting. The
Speaker 1: difference in music is I think the right song can
Speaker 1: remind us how we are all the fucking same, Because
Speaker 1: you say, I just thought you should know is literally
Speaker 1: my life. And I'm like, do you know how many
Speaker 1: people that song specifically because it's so specific, have been like, no,
Speaker 1: how did you do that? And I'm like, right, but
Speaker 1: this is what I'm saying. Different people from different socio
Speaker 1: economic backgrounds, people of different races, of different genders, of
Speaker 1: different identities sexually, like all types of people have been
Speaker 1: like that is literally my life. And I'm like, right,
Speaker 1: because we are literally all the yeah, and don't patronize
Speaker 1: me with your art, you know what I mean. It's like,
Speaker 1: let's tell the story and I can connect to it,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like real, the things that
Speaker 1: really pop off are because they get specific and they
Speaker 1: get real, and that's where the authenticity is not in
Speaker 1: these things of like let's type into, let's type into
Speaker 1: get an algorithm of what's going to work, because we
Speaker 1: feel there's no soul, there's no one who can be
Speaker 1: more youwer than you do. And also, by the way,
Speaker 1: like I am a huge proponent of pop music and
Speaker 1: and algorithmic pop music as an art form. I stand
Speaker 1: a perfectly sculpted, crafted nothing pop song. I love black
Speaker 1: Pink like that is literally the most people who who
Speaker 1: hook here, wrap here must rhyme here and then is
Speaker 1: hit song. And I'm like, yeah, you're yes, You're correct
Speaker 1: about and I am obsessed. And something I've had to
Speaker 1: this was a big realization is like, oh, the there's
Speaker 1: a huge pot of pop culture that I as a
Speaker 1: consumer identify with and love, but that is not does
Speaker 1: not mean that that's the artist that I actually am.
Speaker 1: It's kind of the artist that I wish I could be.
Speaker 1: And it's like, because the part of me that wishes
Speaker 1: I could like be five ft three in the bra
Speaker 1: on stage in the rain at Brittany at the end
Speaker 1: with a clear cowboy hat doing the like sexy pop
Speaker 1: star thing where you have the full choreography and seventy
Speaker 1: five dancers and it's all tightened together. It's like, well, actually,
Speaker 1: like I'm a big giant girl who like played cello
Speaker 1: in my whole life, and so that's just like I'm
Speaker 1: fundamentally and that's not who I am. But it's so
Speaker 1: there's this big choice of like, oh, it's just because
Speaker 1: I love it doesn't mean it's who I actually am.
Speaker 1: And I've had to shed a lot of stuff that
Speaker 1: isn't really authentic to me actually because of how much
Speaker 1: of that part of culture that I love. Now that
Speaker 1: I've become who I really are, it rhymed better and
Speaker 1: Ariana was like, that doesn't make sense, and Max Martin
Speaker 1: was like, nobody cares. And guess what. Break Free was
Speaker 1: like the biggest song of that year. Now that I've
Speaker 1: become who are really are, I'm screaming it because I
Speaker 1: can't believe it. And it's like who fucking because actually,
Speaker 1: who cares? Biggest song ever High Hopes by Panic at
Speaker 1: the Disco has like thirty five writers and the Brendan's
Speaker 1: manager told me a story. I toured with Panic and
Speaker 1: it was an incredible experience. I'm I'm literally obsessed with
Speaker 1: them and cannot say enough nice things. The whole crew,
Speaker 1: the fans, it is so my people. It's like a
Speaker 1: bunch of fucking weirdos who love Brendon And I'm like, yes,
Speaker 1: like my fans feel the same way. It's like a
Speaker 1: bunch of like outcasts who love Betty Who. It's like
Speaker 1: a very similar energy and high hopes. The chorus was
Speaker 1: a song that had been pitched as a rap song,
Speaker 1: and it was like the Panics manager heard it and
Speaker 1: was like, this should be a panic song, not like
Speaker 1: they wanted the hook to be on a rap song.
Speaker 1: And he was like no, no, no, no, this is
Speaker 1: a panic song. There were like twelve writers on that song.
Speaker 1: And sometimes when major labels come together to like do
Speaker 1: God's work it you go like, oh yeah. Someone probably
Speaker 1: was like it's not hooky enough, and everybody was like,
Speaker 1: we're all going to kill ourselves. And then it was
Speaker 1: literally the biggest song at Top forty radio. It's like
Speaker 1: nine months and it's like sometimes a dualipa that is
Speaker 1: major label money at good at Good Work. She is
Speaker 1: the pop star like that is a at a curated
Speaker 1: created pop star by a massive corporation. She had all this,
Speaker 1: she had all the stuff and they said we will
Speaker 1: expense you into being a star and she said, okay,
Speaker 1: So what is Doja cat to you? Then? Is that
Speaker 1: it's like Doja is a an icon in a different
Speaker 1: way to because her her. She is so authentic and
Speaker 1: so fucking weird. I was listening to her pre move
Speaker 1: pre pre pre I was like, she was on it.
Speaker 1: I was showing this guy I was dating. I was like,
Speaker 1: you gotta listen to that. Here's a view video for
Speaker 1: the song called go to Town by this girl Doja Cat,
Speaker 1: and like no one was listening to her, and I
Speaker 1: was like, you guys, like, who's Doha cast? I know,
Speaker 1: I know, it's like how do you pronounce it? And
Speaker 1: like now it's like I feel like Doja Cat is
Speaker 1: actually algorithm pop star slash, you know, like MC turned
Speaker 1: giant megastar. Like that is also in some way the
Speaker 1: label system at work. And that's what to do with
Speaker 1: her music because I look at her, I look at
Speaker 1: her entertainer side, and I go like that is god given.
Speaker 1: Nobody paid for that. And she's like a damn Like
Speaker 1: she's like people are paying for entertainment, like they are,
Speaker 1: they are paying someone to put her in rehearsal. And
Speaker 1: I also like, listen, we've all seen the video, we
Speaker 1: all know the moves. That did not change. I will say,
Speaker 1: I will say I respect that this girl has been
Speaker 1: in like seeing her now, she got it down. She
Speaker 1: has that same coreown. She might not be Janet Jackson,
Speaker 1: but I don't want her to be Janet. And I'm
Speaker 1: really appreciative that she said, you know what, I'm being
Speaker 1: fucking dragged. Why don't I get my ass and rehearsal
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna I'm gonna tighten this up a little bit.
Speaker 1: And I see her now and I'm like, bitch, I
Speaker 1: must about like credit where credit is due. I love
Speaker 1: that about her. This is my thing right now, And
Speaker 1: like it's this kind of goes back to what you're saying, like, oh,
Speaker 1: you're the ship is sailed, free to write a hit song.
Speaker 1: I feel like we're no longer living in a monoculture
Speaker 1: anymore anyway, so that there there is no thing that
Speaker 1: like everyone from all quadrants, all sectors is going to
Speaker 1: like zero in on at the same time. It's just
Speaker 1: not gonna happen and listen, Like this is the other
Speaker 1: thing I think about, is I Social media for me
Speaker 1: is fun when it's supposed to be fun, and then
Speaker 1: I like mostly makes me feel bad about myself and
Speaker 1: I try to disengage from it. You know, I think
Speaker 1: most people feel that way. Probably I am, and I
Speaker 1: know what it looks like when you're really great at
Speaker 1: social media. Because one of my best friends, my best
Speaker 1: friend who is my roommate in college freshman year, Sarah.
Speaker 1: She's my writer, die bitch. She's good at the Internet.
Speaker 1: She speaks Internet, and I'm like an old lady, like
Speaker 1: totally don't understand comparatively because I see her and I go,
Speaker 1: you know you, Oh you have it. I don't, And
Speaker 1: I am having this moment. There's, you know, music, I
Speaker 1: think everything streaming, everything is so crazy, and we're all
Speaker 1: kind of coming to a head of like, Okay, you
Speaker 1: can't pay artists nothing. We have to figure it out.
Speaker 1: We're figuring it out. Stuff has to be figured out. TikTok.
Speaker 1: Like I went out, She's man, I'm going say it.
Speaker 1: I went out. You know, I'm taking some of my
Speaker 1: first couple of singles out to sort of test the
Speaker 1: waters because I yes, yes, that makes total sense, because
Speaker 1: I have had kind of a not a great first
Speaker 1: record label experience. But I also believe that, like I
Speaker 1: also see what happens when record labels are put to lizza.
Speaker 1: So I feel very connected to as an artist. She's
Speaker 1: making the music she wants to make. She wants to
Speaker 1: make a good fucking vibe and she wants to entertain people,
Speaker 1: and I go like same, and she loves a sparkle
Speaker 1: and I'm like yeah, no, no, no, we were like
Speaker 1: same demo before she got really famous. We were both
Speaker 1: on tour a month apart, and so I was at
Speaker 1: every venue behind her and we had a co headline
Speaker 1: tour booked. And then she popped off and I was like,
Speaker 1: by you enjoy the Grammys. Yeah. We were like we
Speaker 1: were doing this. We were literally like in it together.
Speaker 1: I was like, that's my bitch, Like we didn't know
Speaker 1: each other, but I was like you and me, sister,
Speaker 1: like I feel kinship here. And then she had her
Speaker 1: moment and I was like, what one day for me,
Speaker 1: it'll happen. But she I feel like that is major
Speaker 1: label money, going like, no, we can support what you
Speaker 1: do and make it massive. And that's all I ever
Speaker 1: wanted was to be like I will do I will
Speaker 1: do the work. I love to work, I love it.
Speaker 1: Point me in the direction and say dance, monkey, dance,
Speaker 1: and I am so spread for your validation. I'm happy
Speaker 1: to please. And so I had this bad experience at
Speaker 1: my first label, and I was like, there's no way
Speaker 1: that there's not a label partner out there for me
Speaker 1: that can do the same thing that has happened to Lizzo,
Speaker 1: to all of these amazing peers. I look around and
Speaker 1: go like, he has had the right that's just the
Speaker 1: right relationship. And I was a baby at ossier. I
Speaker 1: made so many mistakes because I didn't have good guidance
Speaker 1: because nobody, how do you know, I didn't have peers
Speaker 1: in the industry that I could actually know. I was young,
Speaker 1: and it was me and all my friends for who
Speaker 1: just graduated from college and we were living in New
Speaker 1: York and I signed a record deal, and I was
Speaker 1: the first one out of Berkeley that I knew other
Speaker 1: than Chili Childie Pooth and I went to school together,
Speaker 1: and so he signed to Ellen's label, but he had
Speaker 1: he was like famous immediately, and I was like a
Speaker 1: cult hit with the gays and then just like played
Speaker 1: every pride in America. And that's so we had very
Speaker 1: different pods anyway, um straight culture. But but this is
Speaker 1: like I had this moment. I was like, I'm going
Speaker 1: to go out. I'm just gonna see because what if
Speaker 1: I take some meeting and it's the best meeting of
Speaker 1: my life and this is I'm you know, I went
Speaker 1: around I needed a new agent, and I went to
Speaker 1: see a being like the Death Star, like everyone says
Speaker 1: that you're just gonna get eaten the live in there,
Speaker 1: and I had literally the meaning of my life and
Speaker 1: they have been smashing it for me. So I'm like,
Speaker 1: what do I fucking know? Why don't I go out
Speaker 1: and see see what's about it? There's not a single
Speaker 1: record label in this town that will sign me. They
Speaker 1: all turned me down immediately, without even hands down. And
Speaker 1: it's like I talked to my producer about it. He's like,
Speaker 1: I can't believe it's twenty two and Betty who can't
Speaker 1: get a record deal. And I'm like, the but this
Speaker 1: is where it's shifting as they go. We want to
Speaker 1: sign people with a viral hit on TikTok only, And
Speaker 1: I'm so embarrassing for you. That's so embarrassing because that
Speaker 1: just lays bare this truth that like, okay, so the
Speaker 1: labels are are being subjugated to like this thing that
Speaker 1: is not in their control at all. It is so
Speaker 1: embarrassing and I'm like, well, clearly that answers my question.
Speaker 1: I don't want to be there anyway, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. It's like I don't want to be somewhere
Speaker 1: I'm not wanted And clearly I just wrote a song
Speaker 1: that I love that I'm super excited about called that's
Speaker 1: called love Letter, and it's about being like I'm going
Speaker 1: to write this is my last love letter because like,
Speaker 1: if I'm not wanted here, then I guess I'll just
Speaker 1: sunk off. Like what am I gonna do? Like wait
Speaker 1: around for you to decide that you are falling in
Speaker 1: love with me and you're obsessed with me, Like no,
Speaker 1: like yours, this is what you get. And if you're
Speaker 1: not down like i'm, I guess I have to do
Speaker 1: something different and I just I so now I'm I'm
Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna do this distribution deal. That's to me,
Speaker 1: it's about I get to keep my masters, you know,
Speaker 1: it's about ownership, etcetera, etcetera, actual financial gain from something
Speaker 1: that costs all of my money and all of my
Speaker 1: time and effort, like as it should be, etcetera, etcetera.
Speaker 1: So it's everything's going really well as far as that goes.
Speaker 1: But like it is, I'm not going to wake up
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden be really good at TikTok
Speaker 1: so me being an old person on an app trying
Speaker 1: to force it will not make it any better. And
Speaker 1: so I kind of them in this place where I'm like,
Speaker 1: I like, there are a lot of people in my
Speaker 1: ear always talking, you know, They're always talking about all
Speaker 1: the things that you can be doing, and I'm like, listen,
Speaker 1: at what point am I going to be like, it's
Speaker 1: really about now that I'm doing. Also, like writing this
Speaker 1: this music for this animated TV show, I go like,
Speaker 1: I'm getting so much more out of a out of
Speaker 1: jobs again. I love to work. I just host I
Speaker 1: speaking of reality TV. I host the reality show that
Speaker 1: I can't find a massive nd A force. I can't
Speaker 1: say anything about it, but it will be coming out
Speaker 1: this year and that's going to be so king ridiculous
Speaker 1: and fine. And I had the time of my life
Speaker 1: and everybody kept being like, you're such a great host,
Speaker 1: and I was like, I'm not doing anything. I can't
Speaker 1: believe I'm being paid to be here. This is the
Speaker 1: best job of my life. No. I hosted a show too,
Speaker 1: and I was crazy. I was it was wild, It's
Speaker 1: so much fun. And I was like, I have been.
Speaker 1: I saw Luke Bryant no disrespect to Luke Bryan upset.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm a country guy. I love I love country music.
Speaker 1: I love Nashville country music, songwriting stuff. So I'm obsessed.
Speaker 1: I went to my friends um Runaway June. Their band
Speaker 1: a country girl band that I love. My friends Runaway June.
Speaker 1: We're opening for Luke Bryan. So I went to the show.
Speaker 1: I've never been to Luke Brian show, and I was like,
Speaker 1: this man is in a pair of jeans and a
Speaker 1: baseball hat. He came out here and he does like
Speaker 1: a little gyration, like a silly He's drinking, ripping. Margarita
Speaker 1: is on stage halfway through the show. I'm like, you're
Speaker 1: fucked up, Like this is rock can roll. He just
Speaker 1: just like weird gyration and I'm like it's like kind
Speaker 1: of objectively, uh like categorically an ugly dance move. And
Speaker 1: all of the women in Staples for me, and I
Speaker 1: was like, I'm an idiot, Like I work so hot
Speaker 1: and Luke Brian is selling out Staples Center, having the
Speaker 1: time of his life showing up and I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm maybe I'm the dumbass hosting Is this for me?
Speaker 1: So I'm like, this is little, this stables like, this
Speaker 1: is me going like buck yeah. And I loved being
Speaker 1: a pot of something where someone's like, okay, now go
Speaker 1: make the moment happen. That's what I love. So now
Speaker 1: music for me in this gorgeous, exciting way is like
Speaker 1: I just get to do what I actually want to
Speaker 1: do for the first Like, I don't have any I
Speaker 1: need a hit song paranoia because of our CIA or
Speaker 1: whatever record label, anything I want to I'm not trying
Speaker 1: to make a fourteen minute like esoteric jazz record. I
Speaker 1: want to make pop songs that make people dance and
Speaker 1: have on like that's a part of it. But I'm
Speaker 1: not going to sit and obsess over it. Because why
Speaker 1: I have jobs now, I get to go. I just
Speaker 1: want to work and have a great time and whatever
Speaker 1: comes from it. I should be so lucky. And I
Speaker 1: think I've heard you guys talk about this where you
Speaker 1: just become a professional all of a sudden. I feel
Speaker 1: like my first song came out in twelve, so this
Speaker 1: is my ten year anniversary of being in the biz.
Speaker 1: She like woke up and became she like turned thirty,
Speaker 1: And I'm a professional now and I'm like I got
Speaker 1: asked to score this the show that I'm writing the
Speaker 1: music for, and I have zero experience there, and my
Speaker 1: imposter syndrome is going crazy. And one of my best
Speaker 1: friends was like, you're just a professional person now, and
Speaker 1: like people can expect you to ask something of you
Speaker 1: and that you can do it and you just have
Speaker 1: to say yes and you always know more than you think.
Speaker 1: I'm dealing with that right now because I'm shooting this
Speaker 1: this showtime series, and I literally had that thing before
Speaker 1: I got there. Yeah, it's going to be great. Time
Speaker 1: listener first time called this this this confirmed vibes are
Speaker 1: very good and I'm aided about it. But I did
Speaker 1: have that thing the night before where I was like
Speaker 1: they made a mistake, like I can't believe this, Like
Speaker 1: I'm going to get there and no, not all my
Speaker 1: lines like who do I think I am? Like you know,
Speaker 1: and all these things. And then this was like the
Speaker 1: first job I've had where I actually showed up in
Speaker 1: the morning and I said to myself, no, you deserve it,
Speaker 1: and you've worked a really long time and you are
Speaker 1: good and like and like you're actually gonna hold your
Speaker 1: own there. And then you know what you well, that
Speaker 1: would be for other people to decide, but I feel
Speaker 1: good about it. But but it's the thing of like
Speaker 1: you do get to a certain point and you probably
Speaker 1: have this, I would imagine, because there's no bigger stage,
Speaker 1: so it's like and there's no more bigger pressure, and
Speaker 1: there is that thing of like you actually at a
Speaker 1: certain point. And I do think it's with time and
Speaker 1: with age you say to yourself whatever it is you're doing,
Speaker 1: even not in the entertainment industry, like whatever doing whatever
Speaker 1: it is that you do with teachers, you know, getting
Speaker 1: those preschool jitters, like when a new class is going
Speaker 1: to come in, Like when you finally say to yourself, no,
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm a professional and I can do
Speaker 1: this and I'm better at it than I am ever
Speaker 1: going to give myself credit for me because I think
Speaker 1: we all have that that thing that and maybe it's
Speaker 1: like a defense mechanism or it's like, let me knock
Speaker 1: myself down before the world. Your whole life, your whole life,
Speaker 1: you have sat with your like deficiencies, your self perceived deficiencies,
Speaker 1: So of course you're going to talk yourself into into
Speaker 1: this place where you're like, I don't deserve this, When
Speaker 1: did you get comfortable doing that? I was just about
Speaker 1: to usk because I wonder, because you're not only a
Speaker 1: cost member of the biggest sketch show of all time,
Speaker 1: but Breakout, Breakout Star and also now you have this
Speaker 1: like flourishing acting career that I feel like you. I
Speaker 1: wonder because SNL has changed so much in your life.
Speaker 1: Are you at a place where you are like auditioning
Speaker 1: for stuff and still not booking some or are you
Speaker 1: like offer only I get the choice of whatever I
Speaker 1: want to do? Like what is her energy? These energy?
Speaker 1: These days? It is like still makes of both Like
Speaker 1: I had to put myself on tape for a couple
Speaker 1: of things and didn't get them, and I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: that's and that feels actually very refreshing, not refreshing, coupling no, no,
Speaker 1: not no, just grounding, keep me, keep me ground and
Speaker 1: keep me humble from my fabulous life fist And because
Speaker 1: I was like, I was like, oh, I remember this,
Speaker 1: I remember this feeling, and I like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: just being just being able to triangulate like um oh,
Speaker 1: like I'm I still have a ways to go, or
Speaker 1: like I'm still not like I still have to like
Speaker 1: figure stuff out, and like, oh, I've set up a
Speaker 1: nice like base for myself to like work off of.
Speaker 1: You know, does make sense, But I'm not asked you
Speaker 1: that question yet though. Realizing about the show, no no, no,
Speaker 1: no no, I'm like, I'm realizing that I've never had
Speaker 1: It depends like it was like when Taylor was on,
Speaker 1: where you stressed a little. When Taylor was on, I
Speaker 1: was stressed. Well, that was a crazy week because there
Speaker 1: was a lot of talk about doing something on Weekend
Speaker 1: Update with her, and then things in the schedule kind
Speaker 1: of got crazy and then like it just didn't happen,
Speaker 1: and I was kind of like damn, like I could
Speaker 1: have I could have done something, and then Lauren was
Speaker 1: like she'll come back, and I'm like, okay, whatever, I
Speaker 1: don't know this is we can keep this in but
Speaker 1: like healthy bts, it's healthy bts, but like I don't
Speaker 1: it depends. It depends on my mental state, like week
Speaker 1: to week, like where you're at inside of yourself, because
Speaker 1: then you can be like I kind of had a
Speaker 1: tough week and this is like hard to put yourself.
Speaker 1: It's like yes, it's like what you do is do
Speaker 1: you seel this week before life shows like at work,
Speaker 1: like every week feels like the most important week of
Speaker 1: your life and it and it resets and that's the
Speaker 1: beauty of it. But like I only am able to
Speaker 1: take like a granular look at it, like week to week. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're so funny. You have to because if you zoom out,
Speaker 1: you're like you do see the court for the trees
Speaker 1: then like it is really jarring. And so I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm quite uncomfortable. I think people can tell. Still,
Speaker 1: I think I still have like a ways to go.
Speaker 1: You're not like walking on stepping like this is my home,
Speaker 1: I own this place. Well, okay, can I say something
Speaker 1: like we can leave this out? But Christian Wigg came
Speaker 1: back when Will Forte hosted, and she was just kind
Speaker 1: of walking around. She and I were in a sketch
Speaker 1: aget them. She like kept like trying on different voice
Speaker 1: as an accent, just like God, I don't think I'm
Speaker 1: figuring this out. Like it never goes away, never goes away,
Speaker 1: you know what. Even someone like like Kristen is like
Speaker 1: still like second guessing or choices being like I don't know,
Speaker 1: like but but that is so it's it's refreshing though,
Speaker 1: when when you work with people and you see people
Speaker 1: and you get to know people, because that's even happening
Speaker 1: with the actors I'm working with, who are like and
Speaker 1: it's like like they'll express like, oh, I was really
Speaker 1: nervous before to start this, and I'm like you you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, like legend like but that, but
Speaker 1: that just goes to show like that is such a
Speaker 1: part of the you know, sensitivity of like the artist
Speaker 1: or the performer or whatever like that that thing Actually
Speaker 1: you don't ever really want to lose it because it's
Speaker 1: good to have those like if I ever like there
Speaker 1: was a time like in New York when we were
Speaker 1: performing truly all the time, like and I would just
Speaker 1: walk out onto stage and I felt like it didn't
Speaker 1: matter how many people. It was like I felt good
Speaker 1: and I was happy for that. But I was also like,
Speaker 1: I think it's different I televised weekly experience. The stakes
Speaker 1: are higher for you than like walking out onto onto
Speaker 1: the stage in like Oklahoma City, when it's like you're
Speaker 1: not being broadcast two millions of people. It's like the
Speaker 1: people who are there there and you're like, yeah, this
Speaker 1: is my home. I know how to do this, like
Speaker 1: you can hit a different threshold, like kind of a
Speaker 1: like you're in a zone because I'll look it. That's
Speaker 1: actually it's funny you were like the opposite is true.
Speaker 1: I think on tour, which is a problem is you
Speaker 1: have to remind yourself that every show is the most
Speaker 1: important show. You're like, you can get very into like
Speaker 1: just another show, another city, like who cares? And that's
Speaker 1: like never the thing that I want to bring. I care.
Speaker 1: I think it's so cool to I hate people who
Speaker 1: are too cool to Carrot's Like, I'm just like, it's
Speaker 1: we're all we just want to have fun. I just
Speaker 1: want to be cool and I just want to have fun,
Speaker 1: and like I care, of course I care if you
Speaker 1: like me. I'm standing here begging YouTube. I'm not going
Speaker 1: to like whatever. I don't need you, like spits in
Speaker 1: this spittoon. It's like, of course we all need you.
Speaker 1: Like even the quote une people, I mean, I think
Speaker 1: it goes back to what you said in the beginning
Speaker 1: to like, I think it's not advice. I got it's
Speaker 1: because it's in her book. But Amy Polar wrote in
Speaker 1: her book Free Your Career like a Bad Boyfriend, because
Speaker 1: that was the career. That that was the career advice
Speaker 1: that I got from Polar from her book. And I
Speaker 1: have interrupted you a lot today and sorry, please, I'm
Speaker 1: just really excited when first of all, that is brilliant advice.
Speaker 1: But another thing she said that I'll never forget, and
Speaker 1: it's so simple, and it's what you said earlier, which
Speaker 1: is if you are having fun, they will have and
Speaker 1: that is a hack. And it's actually really it is
Speaker 1: on you too, And I mean, like you know, of
Speaker 1: course there's like some circumstances that are just tougher than others,
Speaker 1: but you can do yourself so many favors if you
Speaker 1: just and I understand it's not as easy for everyone
Speaker 1: in every situation to just decide to be positive energy
Speaker 1: that day or whatever, but you bring and this is
Speaker 1: the secret, it really is. I mean it actually it changed.
Speaker 1: It revolutionized my comedy. And I remember that. I remember
Speaker 1: it was like a mixture of like reading that in
Speaker 1: her book and also like you know, basically say but
Speaker 1: like watching Rue Paul and like when he said these
Speaker 1: things like, um, like it's like drag, Like everyone's in
Speaker 1: drag sid holding back, like to go out there and
Speaker 1: be stupid and have fun and like that is contagious.
Speaker 1: And so when you say like I'm going out there
Speaker 1: and I'm setting the tone, like that is part of
Speaker 1: the X factor, I think, and that is like actually
Speaker 1: like something that everyone can achieve if they really let
Speaker 1: themselves get because you have to be confident enough to
Speaker 1: be like no, I'm I know what I'm doing. And
Speaker 1: it's also it's like ten tho hours, right, It's like
Speaker 1: you earn it because all of a sudden, I've like
Speaker 1: I go like no, So after I've filmed this reality
Speaker 1: show for a month where I'm a fish out of
Speaker 1: water the entire time, I keep being like to say,
Speaker 1: I have notes like I don't know what I really
Speaker 1: don't know what I'm doing. I'm just like swinging for
Speaker 1: the fences and someone stopped me if I'm doing it wrong.
Speaker 1: I went to play Funnily enough, the Roots and Blues
Speaker 1: Festival was the first show that I had played. After
Speaker 1: I had just finished the show and I or, no,
Speaker 1: what was it? It was no, I'm wrong. It was
Speaker 1: the first show of the Kesha tour. I went out
Speaker 1: for a month with the best time. I'm obsessed with her.
Speaker 1: Were she She's like not enough people talked about she's
Speaker 1: a down bitch and her music fox I'm here for it,
Speaker 1: Like I think she's so talented. Hell no one talked
Speaker 1: about that very off and the video is amazing. It's
Speaker 1: so good. Anyway. Anyway, So the first show of Kesha,
Speaker 1: and it was in Montana, and I walk on to
Speaker 1: stage after being so out of my eleve for for month,
Speaker 1: and I'm literally I'm putting my in ears in and
Speaker 1: I like turning my micpack on and I was just
Speaker 1: all of a sudden like asture projected out of my
Speaker 1: body and I was like, this is my home. I
Speaker 1: know how to do this. It is so natural to me.
Speaker 1: I am so comfortable here. And it's like you you
Speaker 1: earn it, do it? You know? But I have a
Speaker 1: question about commitment. Actually for you, I don't. How do
Speaker 1: you like how? My first question is how sick of you?
Speaker 1: Are you talking about SNL? Do you feel like it's
Speaker 1: more that defines me? Are you like this is the
Speaker 1: cool thing I love talking about? Somewhere in between I
Speaker 1: love talking about I am actually flipping the perception of
Speaker 1: it the other way where I'm like, I think people
Speaker 1: are stick of hearing me talk about it. No, it's
Speaker 1: a cool thing that's your life. Yeah, I will thank you.
Speaker 1: You should stand in you and be proud of that. Always, yeah,
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you. I always want to talk about it.
Speaker 1: And yet I feel certain people in my life, no
Speaker 1: one in this room, but certain people in my life.
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, yeah, alright, cool, that's that's an issue,
Speaker 1: not me, you know what I mean, Like that, that's
Speaker 1: about you, not about me, Like if you're if my
Speaker 1: grandness is making you insecure, I'm so sorry. No, I mean,
Speaker 1: but I'm listening. I'm honest, That's what I'm sorry. That's
Speaker 1: a real culture. That's a that's real culture. Number forty nine.
Speaker 1: That's an issue. Girl. I feel like i'm I'm in
Speaker 1: meeting you and talking to you like I'm truly so
Speaker 1: I struck by, like how good you are talking about
Speaker 1: and this is yourself Like you're so I don't love
Speaker 1: to talk about and I do need I know what
Speaker 1: you mean, but I just I look at you and
Speaker 1: you have such an ease about you know, describing your
Speaker 1: your life and your career and all this stuff. That's
Speaker 1: what I mean. What I'm what I'm excited about and
Speaker 1: hearing you talk talk about this is I can tell
Speaker 1: that you're excited, and so from someone coming from someone
Speaker 1: whose work I just you're having from someone else. So
Speaker 1: that's the thing is, it's like I've already enjoyed and
Speaker 1: been obsessed with so much of your work, so to
Speaker 1: now find out that you am equally excited to bean
Speaker 1: And like I did some you know, silly thing at
Speaker 1: Berkeley when like a hundred people came because I'm not
Speaker 1: actually famous enough to draw a crowd, but I gave
Speaker 1: like a must class or whatever, and I one of
Speaker 1: the things I say is like, if you don't think
Speaker 1: you're the tightest person, like and there's a difference between
Speaker 1: confidence and cockiness, like that is different and it's a
Speaker 1: thin line, but like you have to believe in it
Speaker 1: because nobody else is ever going to try as hard
Speaker 1: for you. No one else is ever going to believe
Speaker 1: in you as much as you knew. And if you
Speaker 1: were not your number one like advocate and person in
Speaker 1: your own life who has agency to protect you. It's
Speaker 1: that therapy thing of like there's a ten year old
Speaker 1: inside of you that needs protection and you have to
Speaker 1: be the one to be like, hey, don't speak to
Speaker 1: her like that. Like that's the same thing for me
Speaker 1: and my career and my my business is like, no
Speaker 1: one knows, that's so dumb. I went to a soul
Speaker 1: I was in soull Cycle. This is so embarrassing. But
Speaker 1: you know Angela from Soul Cycle, she's like the famous
Speaker 1: Soul cycle instruction always takes it was a moment in time. No,
Speaker 1: she's very powerful, like I'm here for Angela. I went
Speaker 1: to a class and by the way, I like to
Speaker 1: succeed in a workout, Angela makes it really difficult to
Speaker 1: succeed in which is my only note. It's not it's
Speaker 1: about me because maybe I'm just not on her level.
Speaker 1: And I go, this is not in all levels class,
Speaker 1: I understand, maybe I'll bow out. You keep doing you then,
Speaker 1: but she said in the class she turned it was
Speaker 1: the most dramatic fucking thing that's ever happened. And I was,
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes it just it hits you, and and
Speaker 1: working out can be churched for some people. And so
Speaker 1: this this one Soul Cycle, Angela turns out all the
Speaker 1: lights and I was in my fucking feels about something,
Speaker 1: and she said, she was like, God, whatever you want
Speaker 1: to call it, whatever that thing is for you, why
Speaker 1: are you getting your feelings hurt that nobody else can
Speaker 1: see the vision that God showed to you, and you alone,
Speaker 1: you have seen what your life is supposed to be.
Speaker 1: You have seen where you are supposed to go. Nobody
Speaker 1: else has. Why are you out here mad at everybody
Speaker 1: else for not seeing the vision that God only showed you?
Speaker 1: And I was like my high brain you know, like
Speaker 1: like hits hits, and it's like, I'm so like because
Speaker 1: I've always I consider myself such a renaissance. You know,
Speaker 1: she's a singer, actor, dancer, you know, dancer, she does
Speaker 1: it all. I write, I want to do all this
Speaker 1: different stuff. Why would anybody know that I can do
Speaker 1: any of that because I've never done any of it professionally?
Speaker 1: Why would any like it is silly for me to
Speaker 1: be mad at the world for not like giving me
Speaker 1: an opportunity that it doesn't know that I want. And
Speaker 1: so it really shifted mine's that same thing of I
Speaker 1: had a performance teacher at Berkeley who is his name
Speaker 1: is Livingston Taylor. He's James Taylor's brother. So he grew
Speaker 1: up in this you know community, this Lower Canyon sort
Speaker 1: of experience. He is adjacent to all of this and
Speaker 1: he has so much. He's such a character. He wears
Speaker 1: it cute bow ties like every day. He's fabulous man.
Speaker 1: And he teaches this performance class and there are several
Speaker 1: things that he taught in that class that I think
Speaker 1: are genuinely like some of the biggest notes I've ever gotten.
Speaker 1: The first one he makes every single person stand up
Speaker 1: and say their name in front of the class and enunciate.
Speaker 1: And so someone like my Christian name is Jessica new
Speaker 1: him so beroklely. I was like Jessica new him and
Speaker 1: he was like, what did you say? I was like
Speaker 1: Jesse And he was like, if you're on stage and
Speaker 1: nobody can find you after because they he was like,
Speaker 1: in between every song, if you're in a crowd that
Speaker 1: nobody knows you when I will be so every every
Speaker 1: break I have, I'm Betty Who. Thank you guys so
Speaker 1: much for being here, Like, I hope you're having a
Speaker 1: great time. I'm Betty Who. I say my name seventy
Speaker 1: five times in the show because it's like you're gonna, oh,
Speaker 1: I think I saw Betty who. I remember instead of
Speaker 1: this amazing band that you're like, what were they called?
Speaker 1: They were so great? That's a great note. And the
Speaker 1: other one was you know the feeling when you're watching
Speaker 1: a show and someone walks on stage and they're nervous
Speaker 1: and you go energy steal it and you're like, oh no.
Speaker 1: And then they go to sing and they're kind of
Speaker 1: shaking and you're like, oh my god, oh my god,
Speaker 1: oh my god, oh my god. And then they start
Speaker 1: and then if they flub for a second, everybody's like
Speaker 1: because when you are on the position of power on
Speaker 1: stage and you can control the room, like that is
Speaker 1: your you are responsible for standing in that and being
Speaker 1: comfortable in it and go hey, like, welcome to my show.
Speaker 1: Everyone's like, Oh, it's gonna be a great it's gonna
Speaker 1: be a cool time. And it's like that is energetic.
Speaker 1: That is all it is. Like, that is a monstery
Speaker 1: that has taken me. I'm trying to really like know
Speaker 1: what to use where and be really specific about it.
Speaker 1: But before I forget my question that I had for
Speaker 1: you about the show about commitment. So I'm a huge
Speaker 1: when I'm a big manifesto. So the thing I'm trying
Speaker 1: to manifest, I think I DM do this. Actually I'm
Speaker 1: trying to manifest a perform to SNL it's been my
Speaker 1: childhood dream. You know, you see it. It's like in
Speaker 1: the montage of the thing you see, it's one of
Speaker 1: the things. I see you there. So it's a manifest
Speaker 1: for me. It'll happen when it happens. I'm not stressed
Speaker 1: about it. I know it will. But the other thing
Speaker 1: I want to manifest now, my big host energy is
Speaker 1: a code? Is a is a host musician? Yes? Yes,
Speaker 1: marriage And so because I'm a manifest er, I was like, well,
Speaker 1: I better watch every episode of SNL so that I'm
Speaker 1: up on it, so that I know I should be
Speaker 1: in Like I'm trying to manifest this thing for myself.
Speaker 1: I'm going to be a fan and watch religiously. So
Speaker 1: I watched the show every single week. I'm a regular
Speaker 1: on it, And so I wonder as a performer and
Speaker 1: out And if this is like a touchy like there's
Speaker 1: probably a press trained way to answer the question. But
Speaker 1: like when people who are not comedians come to host,
Speaker 1: you know, you know what you're saying, whether you're gonna
Speaker 1: keep it, like people coming in commitment is hard, It's
Speaker 1: it's a really awkward thing. And in that environment, yeah,
Speaker 1: oh my god. And it's so high stakes and you're
Speaker 1: i'll prefect. You do it every week so you know
Speaker 1: how it goes. And so when you come in as
Speaker 1: this like completely out fish out of water, like you
Speaker 1: have to throw yourself in, Like there has to be
Speaker 1: some level where you're like, you either have to commit
Speaker 1: or it's just not gonna work or it's not gonna war.
Speaker 1: Like the only commitment any host has to do is
Speaker 1: just to be like, I'm down for anything. All you
Speaker 1: have to commit to is open mindedness. But I know
Speaker 1: sounds so vague and not that meaningful. But like the hosts,
Speaker 1: you end up doing the best. Or the hosts who
Speaker 1: are like I'll do anything, yeah, not the host who
Speaker 1: are like I want to make sure I do like
Speaker 1: a singing thing. I want to make sure I do
Speaker 1: with something where I play, or a game show, you know,
Speaker 1: like yeah, like who anyone who comes in with the
Speaker 1: checklist already not gonna work, not gonna work. I'll see
Speaker 1: this is great, see give me, not for me to manifest.
Speaker 1: That's all you need when that day comes, That's all
Speaker 1: you need to do. Like like like the people the
Speaker 1: hosts who like weirdly, not weirdly, but like the people
Speaker 1: like internally responded to the most. And I think that
Speaker 1: the audience is like we're like you're Carrie Mulligans who
Speaker 1: like literally came in was like yeah, whatever, I'll do whatever.
Speaker 1: It wasn't like I got to do this this this. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It must also be hard because I feel like, especially
Speaker 1: if you're at a level where you're coming into hostess
Speaker 1: and l not only is it like such a huge
Speaker 1: honor and so you want to do it right and
Speaker 1: so there's all the stakes stakiness about it, but also
Speaker 1: like performers are all inherently fucking selfish people, and it's
Speaker 1: so hard to come in and humble yourself and be
Speaker 1: like I genuinely don't know. You tell me and I'll
Speaker 1: go with it, instead of instead of being like no,
Speaker 1: I can do Like there's it's this weird like having
Speaker 1: to kind of open yourself up to in songwriting. It's
Speaker 1: like you have to you know, it has to be
Speaker 1: bad for I can get good that thing. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: feel like that's probably very similar in your experience as
Speaker 1: a performer all the time, which is so sort of
Speaker 1: like yeah, totally, and like it's the people who come
Speaker 1: in who want to yeah, Like like I said, like
Speaker 1: it's you have to surrender yourself to it and and
Speaker 1: that and that's basically all it is. You have to
Speaker 1: commit to being a sub, a full sub, big big sub,
Speaker 1: right energy, big bottom Okay, I can. I can definitely
Speaker 1: give big bottom energy, get bottom energy. I am. I
Speaker 1: wonder like how you must have experienced so I'm sure
Speaker 1: and you can't name names obviously, but so many hosts
Speaker 1: who have come in and you've been like, fuck this person.
Speaker 1: You have to do do the skits and pretend to
Speaker 1: have fun and do the thing, and it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: and especially I am menagined you would hope that the
Speaker 1: ratio was was good, but I imagine that you're like,
Speaker 1: it's a really difficult Like when you're having fun, everybody
Speaker 1: else is having fun, you can't, Like you can, It's hard.
Speaker 1: You can. Sometimes people really get in your way and
Speaker 1: funk with you and funk with that with your ability
Speaker 1: to have fun. Yeah, but I mean, but see when
Speaker 1: you were describing like putting your inner ears in in Montana,
Speaker 1: I've maybe this is the answering Matt's question premier earlier,
Speaker 1: Like I am I am able to walk into that
Speaker 1: space now and be like, ah, this is like this
Speaker 1: feels like home, you know, and like I never thought
Speaker 1: that would happen. Yeah, which is so like fucking cool.
Speaker 1: And then and then yeah, and then the second thought
Speaker 1: after that is, wow, I can't believe I get to
Speaker 1: work here, you know, Like that's crazy, Like I took
Speaker 1: a studio tour here when I was and now I'm
Speaker 1: like I worked here. Like there are moments it's like
Speaker 1: so specific and random, but that's the same ship that
Speaker 1: we were talking about. That's the like your path has
Speaker 1: led you to be specifically perfect for this thing. It's like, sure,
Speaker 1: lots of people have taken a studio tour of the
Speaker 1: SNL studio when they were thirteen years old, and they
Speaker 1: didn't end up being a cost member, but like you
Speaker 1: fucking did, yea, And it's like weird stuff like that.
Speaker 1: That's why I'm such a manifestation and fucking queen is
Speaker 1: because like, when I was watching this is such a
Speaker 1: dumb example is an example, but when I was watching
Speaker 1: Glee when I was a kid, so like, first of all,
Speaker 1: Somebody Loves You was on one of the later seasons
Speaker 1: seasons of Glee, but it was still made it. It
Speaker 1: made it in which is pretty cool. Fuck yeah, fuck yes,
Speaker 1: I will take it because some of those Glee versions
Speaker 1: go all the way off the Amber Riley I bust
Speaker 1: the windows at your con Doble, also their rendition of
Speaker 1: keep holding on Sorry Ever Levine, It's better than from
Speaker 1: Aragon sound the like dancing Queen like there don't stop Believing.
Speaker 1: I hate to say it, but Mr Chris did. And
Speaker 1: talking about Teenage Dream were in our last episode. We
Speaker 1: talked about Teenage Dream, like the blame thing of Teenage
Speaker 1: Dream that like that was like that was like a
Speaker 1: moment for the show. It was like but so so
Speaker 1: Darren and Chris Cole. First thing, somebody loves you on
Speaker 1: the show, which is iconic, but so when I was
Speaker 1: and that was the big manifestation thing. But when I
Speaker 1: was a kid watching the show, it's so dumb. I'm
Speaker 1: not dumb because he's amazing. I was like fixated with
Speaker 1: Kevin McHale because I knew that he was an amazing
Speaker 1: dancer and he has like already has the moment where
Speaker 1: he gets out of it. He has like a dream
Speaker 1: sequence and he does safety dance and he gets to
Speaker 1: really go in. And Kevin was in a boy band
Speaker 1: called n LT. Yeah, I think I remember that since
Speaker 1: for not like them. I asked him the first time
Speaker 1: I met him, I was like n l T and
Speaker 1: he was, oh my god, please and I started singing
Speaker 1: like one of his riffs and he was like, I'm
Speaker 1: so like I don't want to do but it's so funny,
Speaker 1: like I'm When I first came to l A, I
Speaker 1: like played some random event that a bunch of people
Speaker 1: were at, and two of the people who were there,
Speaker 1: who were like the celebrities that were there, which was
Speaker 1: exciting to me as like a twenty year old gal
Speaker 1: of not knowing anything about anything, was Sophia Bush, who
Speaker 1: I had been obsessed with, who I was obsessed with
Speaker 1: as a teenager and still I'm friends with and I'm
Speaker 1: completely in love with her, like I I she is
Speaker 1: one of my favorite people on the planet. Sop in
Speaker 1: Um John Tucker must Die was like a sexual awakening kiss.
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm sorry, what do you say? What
Speaker 1: do you say? So like that was a moment, and
Speaker 1: then I was obsessed with Kevin and his dance moves
Speaker 1: in n L T. And at this weird event that
Speaker 1: I played the first time I came to l A
Speaker 1: soap and Kevin were the two celebrities, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I called you here, I cast a spell and brought
Speaker 1: you to me here because like, how many celebrities are
Speaker 1: in this town? Yeah, Kevin as hot as hell Kevin
Speaker 1: and Glee. Glee had him in the chair and like
Speaker 1: with the glasses on and the sweaters and yeah, and
Speaker 1: dance we have we have, Like that's one of my favorite,
Speaker 1: Like a house party with Kevin with Kevin McHale, like
Speaker 1: put the put the tunes on me and Kevin like
Speaker 1: on the dance floor. I want to watch. I think
Speaker 1: a good time some of us just tragically we have
Speaker 1: to do I don't think so, honey. Okay, but I'm prepared.
Speaker 1: I was and told me all about please where we are,
Speaker 1: we are excited to hear your rendition of I don't
Speaker 1: think so honey, Which, by the way, for everyone at
Speaker 1: home who's living under our goddamn rock, it's our one
Speaker 1: minute segment where we take something in pop culture and
Speaker 1: absolutely drag it through the damn muntil it's absolutely filthy,
Speaker 1: wet and muddy and disgusting, um and ashamed. UM. So
Speaker 1: I do have. I actually came up with him during
Speaker 1: the episode. I have one that just came to me.
Speaker 1: I've said a couple that I was like, maybe I
Speaker 1: should pin that, but I came in with I literally
Speaker 1: have one oat. Are you timing the first? That will
Speaker 1: be mean? Then we'll be betty. This is mont Rogers.
Speaker 1: I don't think so money and his time starts now.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey, TikTok. I don't know what
Speaker 1: the funk it is layout wise, I actually don't understand it,
Speaker 1: and I actually don't need something else that I'm gonna
Speaker 1: die on every single day for hours and hours, like
Speaker 1: my brain will turn to slush. Now I hear that
Speaker 1: it's a requirement for talented artists such as our guest
Speaker 1: to get a fucking record deal of cop off on TikTok. Also,
Speaker 1: what does that require, like that they have some sort
Speaker 1: of like pithy little lyric in there that's like not
Speaker 1: even coming from the soul of the artist. It just
Speaker 1: has to be in there to pop off on the second.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. Listen, I'm on Instagram and
Speaker 1: if that's my thirty one could gonna turn thirty two
Speaker 1: in several weeks. Um, deal, that's fine. I have my
Speaker 1: poison of choice. Don't assign me lure. I'm talking to
Speaker 1: you at large. This new thing that's gonna sec decrepatize
Speaker 1: my soul. New word I created, TikTok. I understand, like
Speaker 1: you do a cute little dance move, but guess what, bitch,
Speaker 1: some of you need to rehearse a little bit more.
Speaker 1: And also these white girls stealing stuff from black artists
Speaker 1: on TikTok, I don't think so, honey, that I met
Speaker 1: my energy. Like just watching you get riled now, I
Speaker 1: am like I've been sitting on it since you said
Speaker 1: that they you needed a dance in order to get
Speaker 1: a record deal. That's that is truly dark. Like I was.
Speaker 1: I was talking to someone else side off air, but
Speaker 1: they were saying that their label was requiring them to
Speaker 1: start a TikTok or they wouldn't like promote the music.
Speaker 1: They are holding people's like marketing budgets hostage until they
Speaker 1: start to activate their their TikTok engagement. Another thing about
Speaker 1: TikTok too is just like I don't think I have
Speaker 1: the app space like this thing. It's crazy how many
Speaker 1: times I'll be told by my phone my phone is
Speaker 1: enough with so many times I'm like Okay, what do
Speaker 1: I delete? And then like I figure out what I
Speaker 1: have to delete, and it's like these apps will be
Speaker 1: taking up space I was trying to make like a sweetie,
Speaker 1: like let's go dn't dn't just to make one of
Speaker 1: those videos, And the TikTok editing features are actually not
Speaker 1: up to part. It is so like TikTok crashing in
Speaker 1: the middle of editing something and being like an inconvenient edit.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm too old. I'm busy, I'm too old
Speaker 1: for this. I have a job that I have to
Speaker 1: do things for. Yeah, this is gonna take me six
Speaker 1: hours the video that nobody will watch, and then I'll
Speaker 1: feel worse about myself than before I did it. And
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is what my like team thinks I
Speaker 1: should be doing. Like it's just crazy that like I
Speaker 1: don't I don't know. I always have considered myself like
Speaker 1: pretty good with Actually no, I'm not good with tech.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not good with tech, but I but
Speaker 1: you're on top of the culture. I'm on top of
Speaker 1: the culture and the basics of it all. But like
Speaker 1: I can to figure out my switch, I'll help you.
Speaker 1: I'm as switch bitch. This one got me one first
Speaker 1: my game? Are you a Mario Kart queen? What's her?
Speaker 1: Who's I know you've got to be I think the Pokemon.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I like, I dip it in that when
Speaker 1: I can't. Okay, what's your like? Go to group party
Speaker 1: game Mario? Many games or what's the deal? We'll do
Speaker 1: the board? Sometimes will do the many games. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: it's because the board. It's an hour commitment. The board
Speaker 1: is like an amazing way to pass time. I love
Speaker 1: the board, but I don't love that you can't play
Speaker 1: with less than four players, so that the computers. So
Speaker 1: you're sitting there waiting for the computer to go and
Speaker 1: you're like, get over it. Yeah, sure thing. There should
Speaker 1: be a thing where you don't have to watch their turn,
Speaker 1: just like skip. Okay, do you have it? I don't. Okay,
Speaker 1: absolutely imagine a circle did the same one? Um? Okay,
Speaker 1: Boon Yang are you ready? I'm ready? Well, then in
Speaker 1: that case, this is boone Yang's I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 1: time starts now. I don't think so many sugar Fena,
Speaker 1: what are you doing like doing peach blini gummies? Fucking
Speaker 1: champagne gummies. Don't put alcohol in candy, champagne problems, champagne problems,
Speaker 1: but it's a real problem that's affecting the youth because
Speaker 1: any child can go up to the grove and buy
Speaker 1: sugar fena, you know, alcohol gummies and get wasted and
Speaker 1: then crash a car into a damn family walking down
Speaker 1: the street and your whole what's getting behind the wheel. Yes, well,
Speaker 1: sugar is killing our children, okay, and me because all
Speaker 1: I want is just a simple sour Pats sour patch
Speaker 1: kids adjacent candy, and I'm not gonna be able to
Speaker 1: get that at sugar Feena when they're trying to sell
Speaker 1: me on like fancy stuff that comes in a hard
Speaker 1: glass box, no plastics, whatever it is. I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 1: sugar Fena, Why you gotta be at every weird fucking
Speaker 1: mall and across the country. Why can't you just have
Speaker 1: like a little vending machine situation going on at various
Speaker 1: buildings and at JFK. I don't know about alcohol themed,
Speaker 1: can't flavored candy that sug kids to something they should
Speaker 1: like vape adjacent. It's very that and like I said,
Speaker 1: it's um, it's killing your it's killing your children and
Speaker 1: killing you because you're so obsessed. Clearly, that was a
Speaker 1: little bit of that. I don't think the honey flavor
Speaker 1: where it's like I hate this because I love this.
Speaker 1: I did because I was at the groove yesterday and
Speaker 1: did bye I I did by the sugar lips no
Speaker 1: alcohol in them, delicious. Yeah, I knew it. When they
Speaker 1: get it right, they get it right. The sugar sugar
Speaker 1: fen is like the clear boxes clear. I guess that's
Speaker 1: like a gift basket go to. There's like when I
Speaker 1: play like a pride in the hotel, the hotel leaves
Speaker 1: the pride basket for me, it's always a champagne flavored
Speaker 1: like fucking sugar fen. But then I eat the champagne
Speaker 1: candy and I go, this feels wrong. It's giving Yeah,
Speaker 1: not even that, it's just like this, this doesn't This
Speaker 1: is not like why didn't you just give me a
Speaker 1: bottle of champagne and some gummy bears. I would have
Speaker 1: enjoyed either of those things more than this combo that
Speaker 1: no but want that wants. Yeah, it's that thing of
Speaker 1: like I would never think to put champagne flavor with
Speaker 1: that gummy thing. It's like, but I guess whoever did
Speaker 1: it is a rich girl, because here we are talking
Speaker 1: about it, and you know, you that bitch when you
Speaker 1: cause all this conversation, as Beyonce said, and what would
Speaker 1: be what will Beyonce do? She would say that, Um, listen,
Speaker 1: it's actually internally just sparked something in me and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna let the I'm gonna let the mood
Speaker 1: take me there. Okay, So this is I can't believe
Speaker 1: I'm saying this, Betty, Who's I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 1: and her time starts now, I don't think so honey.
Speaker 1: Whoever has the audio of Beyonce, Solange and jay Z
Speaker 1: in the elevators. It has been years. We deserve it,
Speaker 1: We have a right to it, and I am demanding
Speaker 1: it the people. The people are ready. I think it's
Speaker 1: been enough time and are doing fine. They are doing fine.
Speaker 1: She is looking more gorgeous and fabulous than ever. What
Speaker 1: does it matter to her? It matters, It matters to us,
Speaker 1: the people. And I just think that it's honestly fucking selfish.
Speaker 1: And I'm going to write a letter about it. I could,
Speaker 1: if I if I shall, if I if I am
Speaker 1: feeling so actually jacked up enough to do it, and
Speaker 1: I honestly think the Salange actually should speak in seconds.
Speaker 1: I'm waiting. I'm waiting for a note like the fact
Speaker 1: that it was just like so it was a huge
Speaker 1: cultural moment, and then everybody was like, we love to
Speaker 1: forget full circle. Hollywood loves to forget. And I do
Speaker 1: not believe that this is something we should stand for forgetting.
Speaker 1: It's time reveal yourselves, because it's not enough to have
Speaker 1: the acknowledgement of some of what is it. Of course
Speaker 1: it goes down when there's a billion dollars on an elevator.
Speaker 1: Now we want to know what went down and specifics, please,
Speaker 1: specifics please? I want the audio. Do elevators Do elevator
Speaker 1: videos have audio? At the met? They do? Yeah? At
Speaker 1: the you know what I mean? You forget that was
Speaker 1: the right the way ship pops off at the met
Speaker 1: ball like the Cardian. That's crazy. You just reminded me
Speaker 1: because miss Yang turned herself out at the mat? Who did?
Speaker 1: I didn't go to the mat? What were you at?
Speaker 1: They had this? Oh that he almost he was invited.
Speaker 1: I was invited, but I couldn't go. I was invited,
Speaker 1: but um I couldn't know this movie. I played one
Speaker 1: of the gay shows in my life on Fire Island.
Speaker 1: That is, like, there are no places that I'm actually
Speaker 1: famous except for like West Hollywood, Chelsea and Fire Island.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna little film town. I'm gonna famous. Sure,
Speaker 1: I'm throwing this out into the ether that you should
Speaker 1: do a song on the soundtrack, but oh for Fire Island,
Speaker 1: actually the fucking theme song, I should write a song
Speaker 1: called Fire Island. Literally, I will, I will pay you personally,
Speaker 1: I'm saying someone called me I will literally I will
Speaker 1: literally wondering if they can pay you what you deserve.
Speaker 1: But like, absolutely not never, that's writers don't get paid.
Speaker 1: You know that writers don't get paid. That's hysterical. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying like that that has an opportunity to be
Speaker 1: an iconic sound track, and I think, absolutely right, Betty, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you guys. I hate that it feels like we're wrapping
Speaker 1: up because I don't hate we have other friends who
Speaker 1: aren't me. I hate that I have to leave. I
Speaker 1: hate that this is the first time where this this
Speaker 1: is the this is the beginning, and honestly, like this
Speaker 1: is the most first meeting. It's truly the fact that
Speaker 1: you even like we're down to come and do this. Hey,
Speaker 1: could you shut the funk up? You are successful, fabulous
Speaker 1: people who I should be so lucky to come spend
Speaker 1: time with. It is my pleasure. But you are our fit.
Speaker 1: You can match the funk up. You're right, I'm just
Speaker 1: I'm being rude. You know what? You know what I
Speaker 1: haven't said, which I've been meaning to. I keep being like,
Speaker 1: I've got to. I've got to bring this up. May
Speaker 1: I comment on the you're saying blue that your eyes
Speaker 1: are giving the shirts? Thank you so much. You know
Speaker 1: I do this us with beautiful blue eyes. We make
Speaker 1: choices sometimes and with the right shade of the right siam.
Speaker 1: Whatever we've got going on is to rule in Perhaps, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think we're giving rulans. It will just and you
Speaker 1: are just like I'm thinking. I have to say. It's
Speaker 1: like it's that thing of you know when you get
Speaker 1: your you have your color. We all know colors. It's
Speaker 1: like it's it's it's violet. I love love that. It's
Speaker 1: a violet that's going to be good. But you know,
Speaker 1: when you find your color and then you're you're shopping
Speaker 1: as your want to do. Maybe you're in the girl
Speaker 1: of like Bo Yang yesterday, and um, you're sort of
Speaker 1: like you find an item and you realize, I'm sucking
Speaker 1: obsessed with this and I have to leave with it.
Speaker 1: I can't leave without it. But then you realize, oh,
Speaker 1: I have nine hundred, I have so many blue shirts,
Speaker 1: I have so much like of that things in that family.
Speaker 1: Green is also that's when you're coming like blue green
Speaker 1: like that. I don't know why I said, Violet, you
Speaker 1: keep going keeping. I think it's because you just wanted
Speaker 1: to say the word with it with a kind of
Speaker 1: gus star that I really wanted to say. He chose Violet.
Speaker 1: What that one Bon Yang chose today? Kind of Violet
Speaker 1: woke up and chose Violet. This title of chose Violet.
Speaker 1: But I have to say, we really chose Violet with
Speaker 1: this episode. We popped all the way off and chose Violet.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm really I'm so happy to meet you. And
Speaker 1: I'm like, I know we when he said that you
Speaker 1: were gonna like and he said he said, like we
Speaker 1: have we we had studio time. Was like, let's ask Patty.
Speaker 1: We've been we've been wanting to and it's genuine Yeah,
Speaker 1: I really so my I have a group chat with
Speaker 1: my best girlfriends called Sissies, and I texted hit Sissies
Speaker 1: being like, guys, I'm going to do less care and
Speaker 1: they were like are they going to be there in person?
Speaker 1: And I was like yeah. I was like yeah, And
Speaker 1: then I was like, oh, I might walk in and
Speaker 1: it's like a compute, like it's like there on zoom
Speaker 1: and I'm going in to be alone in this room.
Speaker 1: And I was like, genuinely, I walked up being like, hey, babe,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be okay. If they're not there, don't be
Speaker 1: too disappointed. It will happen one day. So this is januine.
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm freaking've had it any other way, truly, truly, truly,
Speaker 1: I mean this is I canswer enough, but all day
Speaker 1: it's too much. You are the best. You are the
Speaker 1: one I'm so excited for, Like, what's happening, What's going on?
Speaker 1: And it's just the beginning, and you know we we do.
Speaker 1: And every every episode with a song, nobody loves you, okay,
Speaker 1: they oh, he knows that he knows to say who
Speaker 1: in that? Is it a girl? Who? In that song?
Speaker 1: One more time? Is it? This the instrument, Is that
Speaker 1: a Chinese or who? And we're not gonna answer that.
Speaker 1: Two