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Speaker 2: At one forty am on Saturday, September twenty eighth, nineteen
Speaker 2: seventy four, police got a call about a traffic accident
Speaker 2: on State Highway seventy seven in Crittenden County, Arkansas, three
Speaker 2: miles north of the Late David Overpass. When they got there,
Speaker 2: they found a nineteen sixty four Chevrolet which was stopped
Speaker 2: in the southbound lane of the highway. Near the abandoned
Speaker 2: car in a ditch, they found the body of thirty
Speaker 2: five year old Fred Knew Junior, a married father of three,
Speaker 2: who worked the night shift at a local trucking company.
Speaker 2: Fred had been shot three times at very close range
Speaker 2: with a shotgun. He had been shot in the neck,
Speaker 2: the side, and the elbow. His shoes and socks had
Speaker 2: been removed, and he had no identification on him. Fred's
Speaker 2: pockets were turned out and the money he had on him,
Speaker 2: which according to his wife was around two hundred dollars,
Speaker 2: had been stolen. Police later said they believed that whoever
Speaker 2: killed Fred also took his wallet in keys. There was
Speaker 2: blood in the front of the car and Fred was
Speaker 2: lying in a pool of blood near the back of
Speaker 2: the vehicle outside the car, so it seems like either
Speaker 2: his killer or killers threw him out of the car
Speaker 2: or he stumbled out after being shot and his killer
Speaker 2: could have fired the final shot or shots outside. Police
Speaker 2: got the call about Fred's car after another driver crashed
Speaker 2: into it as it was stalled on the highway, but
Speaker 2: that other driver fled the scene. They later found the driver,
Speaker 2: and they dragged the hit and run driver out from
Speaker 2: under a bed at a local motel. But that was
Speaker 2: just the beginning because near where Fred's body was found,
Speaker 2: police learned that a local gas station had been robbed.
Speaker 2: So now police had a robbery, a hit and run,
Speaker 2: and a brutal execution style murder, all in the same
Speaker 2: night in the same small town. I'm Catherine Townsend. Over
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Speaker 2: Helen gonepod. This is Helen Gone Murder Line. From the beginning,
Speaker 2: this seemed to be a confusing crime scene. Police had
Speaker 2: a possible car accident, a possible hit and run, a
Speaker 2: convenience store robbery, and a murder. Now law enforcement had
Speaker 2: to figure out how and if any of them were connected.
Speaker 2: This murder happened more than fifty years ago, but Fred
Speaker 2: New's family are still trying to figure out what really
Speaker 2: happened to him that night. According to Frednw's son, Jason,
Speaker 2: he doesn't remember much about the day his dad died.
Speaker 2: He was only three years old at the time, but
Speaker 2: over the years he has talked to his mom about
Speaker 2: his father and learned that Fred was a loner and
Speaker 2: that his family still doesn't know exactly what he was
Speaker 2: doing on the day he was shot. Fred New was
Speaker 2: born on September thirtieth, nineteen thirty eight. After graduating from
Speaker 2: high school, he served in the military. He worked for
Speaker 2: a trucking company in Memphis called Bowman Truck Lines and
Speaker 2: had had that job for about five years at the
Speaker 2: time he was fatally shot. Fred was just days away
Speaker 2: from his thirty sixth birthday. He was married. His wife
Speaker 2: worked as a respiratory therapist, and they had three children,
Speaker 2: three year old Jason, one six year old daughter, and
Speaker 2: another daughter, Kim, who was nine at the time. We
Speaker 2: spoke to Kim. She remembered a bit more about the
Speaker 2: day that her father was killed.
Speaker 3: I just remember mother saying, there's been a horrible accident
Speaker 3: and your daddy's been taken from us, is what she said.
Speaker 3: And she didn't go into a lot of detail at
Speaker 3: that point. You know, she just reassuring us how much,
Speaker 3: how much she loved us, and that she would want us.
Speaker 3: The kidntinued to be good little girls named Jason be
Speaker 3: the little boy, and he wasn't coming home, and and
Speaker 3: Jason said when willman and daddy be back? And she
Speaker 3: of course said, baby, your daddy's not coming back.
Speaker 2: Police interviewed Buster Wyrick, the cashier at the gas station
Speaker 2: who was working the night of September twenty seventh and
Speaker 2: witnessed the robbery. Buster told police that two men came
Speaker 2: into the gas station. He described the first one as
Speaker 2: a white male, approximately twenty five years old, about six
Speaker 2: foot two weighing around one hundred and eighty to one
Speaker 2: hundred and ninety pounds, with brown shoulder length hair with
Speaker 2: alongside burns. He described the second man as a smaller,
Speaker 2: white male, about twenty one to twenty two years of age,
Speaker 2: around five foot four inches tall, with brown, medium length hair.
Speaker 2: Buster said that the two men waited for the other
Speaker 2: customers to leave, and then one of them asked for
Speaker 2: change for a dollar. Said the larger suspect pulled out
Speaker 2: a twenty two caliber pistol a gun, which is sometimes
Speaker 2: referred to as a Saturday Night special, and told him
Speaker 2: to give him all his money. Buster said that the
Speaker 2: second man came around behind the counter at that point,
Speaker 2: took the money he had on him and shoved him
Speaker 2: down into a chair. That's when the second suspect saw
Speaker 2: the twelve gage pump shotgun that they kept hidden behind
Speaker 2: the counter with some shotgun shells. The two men ended
Speaker 2: up stealing one hundred and seventy five dollars, which would
Speaker 2: be a little over eleven hundred dollars in today's money.
Speaker 2: Buster told police that the two men took the money,
Speaker 2: the shotgun, and the box of shotgun shells, and then fled.
Speaker 2: He said that he saw them running through a field
Speaker 2: located behind the service station. At this point, he said
Speaker 2: he saw a car, which he described as a light
Speaker 2: colored nineteen sixty four Chevrolet. Buster said that the Chevy
Speaker 2: was parked on the service road near the Interstate Highway.
Speaker 2: He told police he believed that this was the car
Speaker 2: used by the robbers. After the robbers fled the scene,
Speaker 2: Buster ran next door to the Penis service station. He
Speaker 2: told the operator there to call the Sheriff's office to
Speaker 2: report the robbery. When he went back to the scene
Speaker 2: of the crime, he found out that the phone lines
Speaker 2: at his service station had been cut. One of the
Speaker 2: things that's not immediately clear is the timing of the
Speaker 2: robbery and the homicide, which one happened first. There's no
Speaker 2: exact time on the police reports. One of the only
Speaker 2: clues to timing is the statement from Buster's nineteen year
Speaker 2: old son, Terry, who worked at another nearby Fhena gas station.
Speaker 2: On the night Fred was killed. Terry told police he
Speaker 2: was out with some friends. The girls he was with
Speaker 2: had to be home by midnight, and on the way
Speaker 2: to drive them home, he said they stopped by his
Speaker 2: dad's gas station at around eleven fifteen so that one
Speaker 2: of the girls could use the bathroom. Before they left,
Speaker 2: he and his friends noticed a white car sitting outside
Speaker 2: the gas station. He described it as a sixty three
Speaker 2: or sixty four Chevrolet White, but he didn't think anything
Speaker 2: more about it at the time. After dropping the girls home,
Speaker 2: Terry said that he passed by the station again, but
Speaker 2: his dad wasn't at his gas station. He was at
Speaker 2: the Phenis station next door. That's when Buster told Terry
Speaker 2: to get down that he had been robbed and that
Speaker 2: the men had guns. Given the distances driven and the timings,
Speaker 2: that should have put the robbery sometime around midnight. Police
Speaker 2: got the call about the body by the road at
Speaker 2: one forty am. So it seems like the robbery did
Speaker 2: happen before Fred was murdered, But since no one had
Speaker 2: cell phones back then, the people in the accident had
Speaker 2: to be driven to a phone to report this, there
Speaker 2: was a delay before police were called. These two events,
Speaker 2: the robbery and the shooting, happened very close together time wise.
Speaker 2: According to police documents, the robbery happened about forty five
Speaker 2: minutes before the discovery of Fred Knew body. But here's
Speaker 2: where it got complicated. Buster and his son both said
Speaker 2: they saw light colored nineteen sixty three or nineteen sixty
Speaker 2: four Chevy, and that's the same description as Fred Newscar
Speaker 2: So was Fred involved in the robbery? Were Fred's shooting
Speaker 2: and the convenience store robbery related? Early on in the investigation,
Speaker 2: there was a lot of confusion and misinformation was spread.
Speaker 2: For example, Roy Akers, the Deputy sheriff of Crittenden County,
Speaker 2: told a reporter that Fred had been shot in the
Speaker 2: side with a shotgun and in the neck with a pistol,
Speaker 2: but according to his autopsy report, that wasn't true. Only
Speaker 2: one weapon was used, a four to ten gage shotgun,
Speaker 2: And then police made statements to local newspapers that indicated
Speaker 2: they thought that Fred news homicide in the gas station
Speaker 2: robbery were related. This happened because police were following a lead.
Speaker 2: They had a detailed description of the car at the
Speaker 2: scene of the service station during the robbery. Police told
Speaker 2: local media the description of that car matched the description
Speaker 2: of Fred newscr. So at first police believed Fred had
Speaker 2: been one of the people who robbed the service station.
Speaker 2: According to police reports, Buster was shown a picture of
Speaker 2: Fred on September twenty ninth, and he identified Fred as
Speaker 2: one of the men who robbed him. In fact, he
Speaker 2: said that Fred was the man who held a gun
Speaker 2: on him, but it turned out that it was more
Speaker 2: complicated than that. A later police report dated October twenty eighth,
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy four, stated no identification could be made by
Speaker 2: Buster when it came to Fred being one of the
Speaker 2: people inside the stoor who robbed him that night. The
Speaker 2: report stated Fred knew had good character and a steady job,
Speaker 2: and at some point it's not clear whether this was
Speaker 2: a misidentification by Buster or what happened next, but police
Speaker 2: apparently determined Fred Knew was not involved in the robbery.
Speaker 2: Crittenden County Sheriff David Doyle told the Son newspaper that
Speaker 2: their investigation had determined that Fred Knew was not one
Speaker 2: of the two men who had robbed the service station,
Speaker 2: and over the years, Fred's son Jason told us the
Speaker 2: detectives have told him his father was not involved in
Speaker 2: the robbery. So how did they figure that out? And
Speaker 2: what was police's working theory? There is a lot we
Speaker 2: just don't know. According to the article, police assumed that
Speaker 2: the robbery and Fred's homicide were connected just because they
Speaker 2: happened in close proximity to one another, and potentially because
Speaker 2: of Fred's vehicle having a similar description to the one
Speaker 2: used in the robbery. The sheriff also said at the
Speaker 2: time that police were doing quote a full scale investigation
Speaker 2: into Fred's murder. After Fred was killed and left in
Speaker 2: the ditch, his car was abandoned and one crashed into
Speaker 2: that park car and fled the scene. Police tracked down
Speaker 2: the man who hit Fred's car. His name was Billy
Speaker 2: Joe Smith. They interviewed Billy on October fifteenth, nineteen seventy four.
Speaker 2: Billy said that on September twenty seventh, he got off
Speaker 2: work at around five pm. In the afternoon, he said,
Speaker 2: he went back to his place with his girlfriend. Then
Speaker 2: they went with a friend of his named Charles, to
Speaker 2: the Town and Country liquor store and bought two six
Speaker 2: packs of beer. The group went over to another friend's
Speaker 2: house while Charles's date and Billy's date got ready, Then
Speaker 2: they stopped for more beer. Billy said that at this point,
Speaker 2: Charles was driving, and that as they were turning on
Speaker 2: to the service road of the I fifty five, they
Speaker 2: saw a man beside a white car waving them down
Speaker 2: to stop, which he said they did. Billy said that
Speaker 2: Charles asked the man what was wrong, and that the
Speaker 2: man said he was out of gas. The man asked
Speaker 2: if they had any and Charles told him no. He
Speaker 2: told the stranger there wasn't any place open at that point,
Speaker 2: so Charles told the man sorry, they couldn't help him.
Speaker 2: Billy also said that Charles asked the man where he
Speaker 2: was from, and the man said Caraway. Now Fred knew
Speaker 2: was from an area north of Caraway. But there's nothing
Speaker 2: in the police report to indicate that they exchanged names.
Speaker 2: After that, Billy said that he, Charles, and the two
Speaker 2: women went on to a local nightclub, the Starlight Club,
Speaker 2: at around nine thirty or ten pm. He said that
Speaker 2: he and his friends were dancing and drinking there for
Speaker 2: a while. He said they left around midnight, though Billy
Speaker 2: said he wasn't sure at the exact time. While they
Speaker 2: were driving home, Billy said his car broke. He said
Speaker 2: the shifting rod fell off and the vehicle jumped out
Speaker 2: of gear. He stopped to try and fix it or
Speaker 2: to slide it into fourth gear. Eventually, he said, he
Speaker 2: was able to drive away. They made their way toward home,
Speaker 2: and that's when they saw the glimpse of a car.
Speaker 2: It's not clear from the police reports that this was
Speaker 2: fred Knew car. There are indications in the notes that
Speaker 2: seemed to say that it might have been, but there's
Speaker 2: nothing in Billy's interview that confirms it, so it is
Speaker 2: a little bit confusing. Billy said that his car was
Speaker 2: out of control at that point and traveling around fifty
Speaker 2: miles an hour. He said he tried to miss the
Speaker 2: car that was on the side of the road, but
Speaker 2: his right front fender hit the left front fender of
Speaker 2: the stalled vehicle. He said that when they hit, he
Speaker 2: instinctively grabbed his girlfriend's head, but she had already hit
Speaker 2: the windshield and she was screaming about being in pain,
Speaker 2: so Billy said he jumped out of the car to
Speaker 2: make sure everyone was okay. Charles went to look at
Speaker 2: the car they hit, and when Charles walked back to
Speaker 2: their vehicle, Billy said that Charles told him you just
Speaker 2: killed a man. At some point, Billy said, two black
Speaker 2: men stopped and gave them a ride to be a
Speaker 2: nearby service station. Billy said once he got to the
Speaker 2: service station, he asked an employee there to call the police.
Speaker 2: Then at some point he walked to town and learned
Speaker 2: that the police had arrested Charles. Billy said he got scared,
Speaker 2: so somehow he ended up back at the motel where
Speaker 2: he had been staying. He said that's when someone came
Speaker 2: in and told him he was wanted, so he crawled
Speaker 2: under a bed to hide. The police found him, but
Speaker 2: after questioning Billy, they released him. Fred Knude didn't die
Speaker 2: from injuries from a car crash. He died from three gunshot.
Speaker 2: Winds police interviewed another man named Oscar Woods. Now Oscar
Speaker 2: Woods also stopped at the scene of the accident that night,
Speaker 2: but he was not one of the two men who
Speaker 2: gave Billy and Charles a ride. In fact, he told
Speaker 2: police when he stopped, they didn't seem concerned about getting
Speaker 2: a ride. They told him to get out of there.
Speaker 2: Oscar said. This would have been around one am. And
Speaker 2: it's interesting because Oscar said that when he stopped, he
Speaker 2: saw two or three white males. There's no mention of
Speaker 2: any women. And when he asked if everyone was okay,
Speaker 2: one of the men told him not really, someone was,
Speaker 2: and then he said the man said something odd and
Speaker 2: that the men were laughing. At this point, Oscar asked
Speaker 2: if they had called the police, and they said yes.
Speaker 2: After one of the men told him there was a
Speaker 2: dead man there, they asked Oscar if he had a flashlight.
Speaker 2: He said he always kept a pocket flashlight with him,
Speaker 2: so he got out his pocket flashlight and saw Fred
Speaker 2: lying there on the side of the road in a
Speaker 2: pool of blood. Oscar said, they reiterated that they had
Speaker 2: already called the police and suggested that quote the best
Speaker 2: thing that he could do is drive away from here
Speaker 2: end quote, and Oscar said that's what he did. He
Speaker 2: seemed to realize he might have walked into a very
Speaker 2: bad situation, and he got out of there fast. Now,
Speaker 2: this is a weird sequence of events. Billy hiding from
Speaker 2: the police seems a bit suspect, but then again, he
Speaker 2: could have been driving while intoxicated, and also he may
Speaker 2: have believed that he killed a man in that accident.
Speaker 2: This could explain why he hid from police. But if
Speaker 2: that's the case, why was he allegedly laughing. Police attempted
Speaker 2: to verify Billy and Charles's stories. One of the owners
Speaker 2: at the Starlight nightclub, who said she was collecting cover
Speaker 2: charges on September twenty seven, remembered that Charles Bardino and
Speaker 2: Billy Joe Smith came in at around ten pm with
Speaker 2: two women. This person told police that the four of
Speaker 2: them sat at a table and left at around eleven pm,
Speaker 2: and they did not return that night. So police seemed
Speaker 2: to be solving the mystery of the hidden run, but
Speaker 2: when it came to Fred's murder and the robbery, the
Speaker 2: police were stumped. There's no evidence in this case, Faule.
Speaker 2: The police ever tracked down the two women who were
Speaker 2: with Charles and Billy to get their stories. I would
Speaker 2: have had a lot of questions for them, what time
Speaker 2: the women went home, and also if Charles or Billy
Speaker 2: noticed the blood in the front seat of the car
Speaker 2: or the burnmarks on the driver's seat. Police also stated
Speaker 2: publicly after that that they did not believe that Fred
Speaker 2: was involved in the robbery, but that his vehicle may
Speaker 2: have been. So did Fred know the men involved in
Speaker 2: the robbery or was the shooting just a total coincidence.
Speaker 2: I wonder if they were related, but maybe not in
Speaker 2: the way police think, because we learned something else from
Speaker 2: Fred's son, Jason. Fred worked the night shift at the
Speaker 2: trucking company and he normally came home in the mornings.
Speaker 2: But on the morning of September twenty seventh, Fred Knew
Speaker 2: never came home. So where was he that day? According
Speaker 2: to police notes, Fred's father, Fred new Senior, believed that
Speaker 2: his son got off work at around eight fifteen am
Speaker 2: on the morning of September twenty seventh. Now, normally Fred
Speaker 2: would have come home after that, but on that Friday
Speaker 2: he did. Fred's father told police that other than a
Speaker 2: single DWI, Fred Junior had never had any problems with
Speaker 2: the law and had no criminal record. But Fred's son, Jason,
Speaker 2: said he's always wondered if his mother hid things from him,
Speaker 2: things about his father and what she believed his father
Speaker 2: may have been doing that day, possibly drinking or hanging
Speaker 2: out with other people or other women.
Speaker 4: That's stuff that as I got older, you know, I
Speaker 4: had more quizkis. I always thought she might have been
Speaker 4: hiding something till mean she was till I got opened
Speaker 4: with I remember when my grandmother on my mother's side died.
Speaker 4: You know, my grandpa was like Jason, if he would
Speaker 4: have been home, that wouldn't happen me.
Speaker 2: After the time when Fred would have gotten off work.
Speaker 2: On September twenty seventh, It's not clear what happened that day,
Speaker 2: but police did discover that at some point Fred was
Speaker 2: hanging out at Maudet's Diner and Joiner. Arkansas interviewed a
Speaker 2: waitress named Charlene Dixon. She said that around six pm,
Speaker 2: Fred came in and sat by himself in a corner booth.
Speaker 2: Police showed her a picture of Fred and she positively
Speaker 2: identified him. She said she knew the man is Fred,
Speaker 2: she didn't know his last name. She said that Fred
Speaker 2: didn't talk much and that quote he was pretty well
Speaker 2: drunk when he came in. She said that he drank
Speaker 2: about four cans of beer, played the jukebox a couple
Speaker 2: of times, and that at some point he hit on her.
Speaker 2: That he asked her to go out with him, and
Speaker 2: that she refused. Charlene said that Fred was wearing a
Speaker 2: check shirt with faded Levi jeans and that around eight
Speaker 2: thirty or nine pm, Fred left the diner and that
Speaker 2: he did not come back. One of her co workers
Speaker 2: also said she saw Fred at the dinner alone. Where
Speaker 2: did Fred go after he left the dinner? Nothing in
Speaker 2: the case fall indicates that police ever found out. Jason
Speaker 2: is still trying to figure out what his father did
Speaker 2: that day.
Speaker 4: He was supposed to have gotten off work Friday mornings,
Speaker 4: and he didn't come home. I think he'd been out drinking.
Speaker 4: There might even been maybe other women, you know, but
Speaker 4: a thief, a robber, you know, he was not. My
Speaker 4: dad was a loner, you know, he didn't run with
Speaker 4: many people.
Speaker 2: Jason said that even though his father's car matched the
Speaker 2: description of the vehicle seen near the scene of the robbery,
Speaker 2: he did not believe that his father would have ever
Speaker 2: purposely been involved in a robbery. He wondered if maybe
Speaker 2: something else happened, If maybe his father was the person
Speaker 2: who ran out of gas, who Charles and Billy had encountered,
Speaker 2: and then maybe the men who robbed the convenience store
Speaker 2: also saw him there and decided to rob him too.
Speaker 4: You know, I ex played it out in my head
Speaker 4: that somebody robbed the gas station and seen him and
Speaker 4: robbed him too.
Speaker 2: Maybe Fred New's car had a breakdown, maybe his kill
Speaker 2: flagged him down. Or could it be possible that Fred
Speaker 2: knew was in his vehicle with the men who robbed
Speaker 2: the service station. Did he hang out with those men
Speaker 2: or meet up with them and then somehow unwittingly get
Speaker 2: dragged into the robbery, or could he have been kidnapped
Speaker 2: or just stopped randomly to give them a lift. All
Speaker 2: of these were scenarios that the police probably considered. Then
Speaker 2: there was the state of Fred's vehicle. Investigator's notes indicated
Speaker 2: the driver's seat had been burned, that the car was
Speaker 2: completely out of gas, and that a line leading to
Speaker 2: the battery had been cut. This was never really explained
Speaker 2: because after an initial flurry of interviews, there were no
Speaker 2: more newspaper clippings, the case disappeared from headlines, and no
Speaker 2: one was arrested or charged. In December of nineteen seventy four,
Speaker 2: according to police records, the case was declared officially closed
Speaker 2: due to all leads being exhausted. And then one year
Speaker 2: later there was another, this time at the Penis service station.
Speaker 2: Another attendant was attacked and this time the robbery ended
Speaker 2: in murder. Terry Wyrick, the nineteen year old son of
Speaker 2: Buster Wyreck, the cashier on duty at the gas station
Speaker 2: that was robbed the same night Fred Knew was murdered,
Speaker 2: was working at the FeNiS service station when two men
Speaker 2: came in to rob that store. This robbery was brutal.
Speaker 2: After stealing the money, one of the men attacked Terry
Speaker 2: with a sledgehammer, the other one shot him. Terry survived
Speaker 2: the initial attack. He was rushed to the hospital but
Speaker 2: later died. In that case, police caught the perpetrators quickly.
Speaker 2: They questioned two men, Willie Fowler and Clarence Alexander. Clarence
Speaker 2: admitted to police that he and Willie planned the robbery
Speaker 2: in front of a friend of theirs named Edward Fowler.
Speaker 2: Edward Fowler confirmed that story. He told police Willy and
Speaker 2: Clarence told him they were planning to rob the David
Speaker 2: Exon station, but then they decided to rob the Phenis
Speaker 2: station instead. Edward told police he told his friends he
Speaker 2: did not want to participate in the robbery, so he
Speaker 2: asked Clarence and Willie to take him home. Clarence told
Speaker 2: police Willie hit Terry with a sledgehammer and Clarence shot him.
Speaker 2: He said that Terry tried to grab his arm and
Speaker 2: that he shot him again because Terry wouldn't turn him loose.
Speaker 2: Clarence and Willie ended up stealing around fifty dollars. Willie
Speaker 2: and Clarence were both arrested in charge with capital murder,
Speaker 2: and both were sentenced to life in prison without the
Speaker 2: possibility of parole. The fact that another robbery, this time
Speaker 2: with a murder, and the fact that the victim was
Speaker 2: the son of the robbery victim from one year earlier,
Speaker 2: made headlines. Some people wondered if the two cases could
Speaker 2: be connected somehow, but a very cursory examination of the
Speaker 2: case file shows that that could not be true, mainly
Speaker 2: because the men who robbed the store did not match
Speaker 2: the description of the men who robbed the mobile station
Speaker 2: in nineteen seventy four. For one thing, Both men who
Speaker 2: robbed the Phenis station and killed Terry were black, while
Speaker 2: his suspects of the nineteen seventy four robbery were both white.
Speaker 2: Over the years, police followed multiple leads. At one point,
Speaker 2: they interviewed another potential suspect named Billy Woodard. Billy Woodard
Speaker 2: was arrested for another homicide in Craigshead County. The victim
Speaker 2: was also shot with a shotgun multiple times near Billy's vehicle,
Speaker 2: so there were some similarities to this murder and fred
Speaker 2: News murder. Billy admitted to police that he committed the murder.
Speaker 2: He told police he was driving the victim in his Volkswagen.
Speaker 2: Billy and his victim were driving down a secluded road
Speaker 2: when the Volkswagen ran out of gas. Billy told police
Speaker 2: he was pouring gas into a tank from a portable
Speaker 2: gas can. The victim said he was going to walk
Speaker 2: up the road to get some shade underneath a tree.
Speaker 2: At that point, Billy said he pulled a twelve game
Speaker 2: pump Revelation shotgun from the car and shot the victim
Speaker 2: in the back of the shoulder. Then Billy said he
Speaker 2: shot him in the head multiple times. Billy then drug
Speaker 2: the victim's body off and dumped it in the woods.
Speaker 2: Then he picked up the shell casings. Now, Billy admitted
Speaker 2: all this to law enforcement, but he also completely denied
Speaker 2: having any involvement in the homicide of Fred Knew. He
Speaker 2: said he was only in the area where Fred was
Speaker 2: shot once in his life, and it was long after
Speaker 2: the homicide. It seems as though this lead was dropped
Speaker 2: because despite the circumstantial similarities, there was no evidence that
Speaker 2: Billy Woodard was in any way involved in Fred's death.
Speaker 2: Kim said that over the years, her mother never gave
Speaker 2: up on getting answers about what truly happened to her husband.
Speaker 2: This included her mother revisiting the scene of the gas
Speaker 2: station robbery and going to the sheriff's office to talk
Speaker 2: to detectives about the investigation.
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, my mother. Her best friend even said,
Speaker 3: I'm worried to death that your mother is going to
Speaker 3: get her stuff killed because she was relentless on trying
Speaker 3: to find out what happened and who was responsible for it.
Speaker 3: I know there were multiple times that she went to
Speaker 3: the sheriff's office I know there were multiple times that
Speaker 3: she went out on her own to question people. I
Speaker 3: remember her going to that gas station time and time again,
Speaker 3: and probably not the smartest thing that she could do,
Speaker 3: that she was desperate to know. It tormented her, the
Speaker 3: fact of not knowing who was responsible, how it happened,
Speaker 3: and you know, like took his wallet so they knew
Speaker 3: who he was and where we lived, and as we
Speaker 3: were older. She said, it just petrified her to think
Speaker 3: that they might come to our house. She did not
Speaker 3: have a long high and she never got over.
Speaker 2: The Kim said, they've gotten very little information from detectives
Speaker 2: over the years, and there's very little physical evidence after
Speaker 2: all this time, but she does believe that there is
Speaker 2: some evidence that detectives could follow up on. There's the fingerprint.
Speaker 2: Police found a single latent fingerprint on the rear view
Speaker 2: mirror of Fred's vehicle. At first, it was identified as
Speaker 2: being possibly a match for Billy Joe Smith, the man
Speaker 2: who ran into Fred's car and fled the scene, which
Speaker 2: begged the question what would Billy Smith have been doing
Speaker 2: inside Fred's vehicle touching the rear view mirror. This seemed
Speaker 2: like a promising lead, but later more Advanced testing revealed
Speaker 2: Billy could not be a match for that print, so
Speaker 2: who else could have been in the vehicle. Kim also
Speaker 2: said police found other unidentified fingerprints that were move from
Speaker 2: the car, and that over the years, she heard that
Speaker 2: a woman who is now in a nursing home may
Speaker 2: have information about the murder.
Speaker 3: I mean, yes, I was like closure. I was loved
Speaker 3: for my mother to have that before she passed way,
Speaker 3: But wow, I would I just give anything for Jason
Speaker 3: as a closure.
Speaker 2: Jason said that he was grateful that we filed the
Speaker 2: Foyer request and got information that he said his family
Speaker 2: has not been able to access for decades. I would
Speaker 2: like to do more, and I know it's been fifty years,
Speaker 2: but I'm hoping that in such a small town, there
Speaker 2: may be someone out there who knows something, Someone who
Speaker 2: was at Maudet's diner that day, or driving along the
Speaker 2: highway that night, or in the Starlight club that night,
Speaker 2: someone who may have seen Fred New on September twenty seventh,
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy four. Someone who can help fill in those
Speaker 2: missing hours for his family.
Speaker 4: The worst part of losing somebody and not knowing what
Speaker 4: really happens. They left my dad on the side of
Speaker 4: the road like a piece of trash. That's the worst
Speaker 4: part of it. You can edit this habit, you need to,
Speaker 4: But for somebody to do that to my dad and
Speaker 4: have any chance of getting into heaven, I can't live
Speaker 4: with this that somebody on their deathbed should ask for
Speaker 4: forgiveness and and get that done. It is terrible. Somebody
Speaker 4: knows something whereas they're scared to say it. But I
Speaker 4: would like a little bit of closer, you know, That's
Speaker 4: what I would hope for.
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