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The 10 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 1: Hall of Famer still holds a record for most sacks 11 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 1: in the season twenty two and a half defensive end 12 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 1: fifteen years played all those years with the Giants early 13 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 1: nineties to two thousand and seven, and a Super Bowl 14 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 1: champ number forty two. Michael Strahan, Well, I mean, you 15 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:05,960 Speaker 1: grew up military in Germany, so it's it's really interesting. 16 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:09,399 Speaker 1: There's not many I mean, now, everything's very global. You 17 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 1: were kind of a global citizen. That's very NBA, that 18 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 1: that's very soccer. You were like a global citizen as 19 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 1: an NFL guy. And it's funny because I was just 20 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 1: talking to a friend the other day about this, Um, 21 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 1: I want to go to Switzerland. I want to take 22 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 1: my kids to Switzerland. They want to go, and he goes, well, 23 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 1: it's got to Germany feel it's kind of boring. They 24 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 1: work hard and that's it. And I said, what do 25 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 1: you mean? And he goes, you gotta remember in Europe, 26 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 1: he goes, the Greeks are having a blast, the Italians 27 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 1: are drinking wine, the Spaniards are party. In Germans work, 28 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:42,120 Speaker 1: save money, make money. So exactly what they drink beer 29 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 1: at beer at at you know, at their lunch break, 30 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 1: so they have some What do you remember though, because 31 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 1: you're you're younger, I mean, is do you have this 32 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 1: like memory of Germany that stays with you? I mean 33 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 1: I have four or five little childhood memories, not a lot, 34 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 1: you know, trips to Mount Rainier in Seattle or you know, 35 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 1: trips vacate. What if I said to you Germany strongest memory? Um, 36 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 1: every Friday night going with my parents to the Houston 37 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:13,639 Speaker 1: House and having a cut on blue or Snitzel with fries, 38 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:16,359 Speaker 1: and having the lady at the Houston House when I 39 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:22,240 Speaker 1: have the kid squeezed my cheeks. Every single Friday, it's 40 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 1: just you know you have you say cut in German, 41 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 1: that's what she needs to do. It grabbed my cheeks 42 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 1: every freaking Friday. So I just remember, you know, being 43 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 1: with my family, and of course you remember the ottobon. 44 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 1: I'm a card fanatic, so um watching cards fly up 45 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 1: and down the autobon and do all that stuff. Yeah, 46 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:42,519 Speaker 1: I remember those things. But one thing I do appreciate 47 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 1: about growing up over there, just the being around different 48 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 1: people in different cultures and being able to travel. My 49 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 1: dad and I used to go to Spain every year 50 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 1: and go fishing together, and just Australia. I'm not Australia, 51 00:02:57,200 --> 00:03:01,920 Speaker 1: but like we used to go skiing and Switzerland. We 52 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:04,960 Speaker 1: used to do all that for school trips. I mean, 53 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 1: how awesome is that? So th those other things that 54 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 1: I remember is just like you said, being a world 55 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 1: citizen and understanding that the world's a lot bigger than 56 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 1: the place that most guys just grow up and they 57 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 1: never leave or they go back to in the off season. 58 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:19,639 Speaker 1: And for me, I used to go to Germany and 59 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 1: now I love to take my kids on trips to 60 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:27,920 Speaker 1: Europe and I'm taking them to South Africa, you name it, 61 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:29,359 Speaker 1: just so that they can see that the world a 62 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 1: lot bigger than just the environment that they grow up 63 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 1: in every day. I sent my daughter to Cape Town 64 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 1: for the summer for a leadership council. She loved two 65 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 1: months there. Yeah, I can live there. I mean, I've 66 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 1: taken my trips my kids all around the world, that 67 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 1: by far is the one trip they say we want 68 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 1: to go back. They want to go back to South Africa, 69 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 1: they want to go back to Cape Pound, they want 70 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 1: to go back on Safari. And you you kind of 71 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 1: get on somebody trips and you kind of think, well, 72 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 1: maybe this is an adult trip, and I have my 73 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 1: kids here, and even though they're like my youngest at 74 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 1: the time, my twins were maybe twelve, and I had 75 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 1: gone to South Africa before, but I wanted them to 76 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 1: go back when it could really be a memory for them. 77 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:16,279 Speaker 1: And I took my older kids with me as well. 78 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 1: And you're on Safari. You're winking up early in the 79 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 1: morning for a morning ride, you're working up in the app, 80 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:24,360 Speaker 1: you're going on a night ride, you're going to midday ride. 81 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 1: The last day comes around and you're they're like, okay, 82 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:29,039 Speaker 1: you guys, you can either go on a ride before 83 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:31,920 Speaker 1: you take off, you leave or you can just relax, 84 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:35,160 Speaker 1: and everybody's like, we want to go out again. It's 85 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:37,719 Speaker 1: so so interesting and I found it is the best 86 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 1: trip because of the trip that they learned so much 87 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 1: and just nature and seeing these animals in their natural habitat, 88 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 1: like you're walking down the street and not saying like 89 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:48,840 Speaker 1: you're walking down streets the lion there. But there's a 90 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:52,720 Speaker 1: potential and you realize, I got I paid all this 91 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 1: money from a vacation I could potentially die on. I 92 00:04:55,360 --> 00:05:00,479 Speaker 1: don't know how smart that is, but I love. There's 93 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 1: my favorite trip, my family's favorite trip you've ever taken. Okay, 94 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:05,719 Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw a sports when that want. Here's a hypothetical. 95 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:07,599 Speaker 1: This is this is a hypo. I like. I like 96 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 1: theories and hypothetical. Let's do it. Okay, gear it to me. 97 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:15,919 Speaker 1: What if I told you Michael Strand, there's this guy, 98 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 1: he's considered the greatest quarterback of all time, has all 99 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 1: the record rings, MVPs M. Nobody could beat him except 100 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 1: for this other guy who beat him twice in the 101 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 1: Super Bowl. Wouldn't that make the other guy the greatest 102 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:38,360 Speaker 1: quarterback of all time? Uh? That necessarily not necessarily It 103 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 1: means that the other guy team, because football is not 104 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:47,480 Speaker 1: one person, the other guy's team showed up and probably 105 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:52,920 Speaker 1: played better as a team and finished strong, and that 106 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 1: that guy showed up and had his biggest moments or 107 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 1: moments at the biggest time, and the other guy had 108 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 1: a lot of big moments and a lot of times 109 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 1: to do it, which I am quite jealous of. By 110 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 1: the way, here's what's funny. So the first time you 111 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:22,039 Speaker 1: beat them, I'm in New York, I'm at an Irish bar. 112 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 1: It's Week seventeen. You lose to New England, and I 113 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 1: remember watching that game and thinking, shit, they're not that 114 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 1: far off. And then and then you go to the 115 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 1: Super Bowl. Michael, the very first play, New England tried 116 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:46,279 Speaker 1: some reverse or something clever, Boom stuffed it. And I 117 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 1: remember thinking, Okay, this reminds me a little a Week 118 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 1: seventeen where you were winning one on one battles. Go 119 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 1: back to Week seventeen, the first time you played New England. Okay, 120 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 1: they wrap it up, they go on defeated, you're leaving 121 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:06,280 Speaker 1: the field. Was there something in your mind saying we're 122 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 1: not that that game was closer than people think? Man? 123 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 1: You know, I said it earlier today. Had we not beaten, 124 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 1: had we not played in the week seventeen, I don't 125 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 1: think we went to Super Bowl. I think when we 126 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 1: played the week seventeen, we had already locked up the 127 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 1: spot in the playoffs. We were going to play Tampa 128 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 1: the next week. Yeah. I remember in the meetings that 129 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 1: the coaches really aren't putting in the game playing, and 130 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 1: they're like, well, we don't want to put in much 131 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 1: because we put it in. We got to see the 132 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 1: Bucks next week. We all don't want to give anything away. 133 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 1: So we're gonna go out here and have a very 134 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 1: vanilla offensive defense this week. And we were wondering if 135 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 1: we were going to play or not, if Kauflin was 136 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 1: going to rest us. And I'd never forget, and I 137 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 1: remember saying it in my pregame speech because we pretty 138 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 1: much came from Kauflin that hey, they're not resting their guys, 139 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 1: why are we resting our guys? And if we got 140 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 1: to be out here to play, let's play. In the 141 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 1: bottom line, whether the right decision because you see teams 142 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 1: rest or star players when there's nothing to play for. 143 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 1: But that game gave us so much confidence, especially as 144 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: the team that no one expected anything from and we're 145 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 1: walking off the field and like yesterday, I remember this 146 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 1: OC human Europe Group put his arm around me and said, straight, 147 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 1: if we or when we when we see them again, 148 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 1: we will beat them. And first thought my mind was, 149 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 1: first of all, I wasn't thinking back because I'm thinking, well, 150 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 1: we got a long way to go on the way 151 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 1: we see them as on a Super Bowl and I 152 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:38,599 Speaker 1: know we've been a little hot, but I don't know 153 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 1: if we're that hot. Yeah. I never thought that, but 154 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 1: OC and the younger guys had that in their mind. 155 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:50,080 Speaker 1: That was more focused on the next week. And but 156 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 1: we're low and behold, we we beat Green Bay and 157 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 1: we're going through the Super Bowl and everyone thought we 158 00:08:56,360 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 1: had no shot. You shelt it. Yeah, But for some reason, 159 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:04,080 Speaker 1: we were the most relaxed we'd ever did. We were 160 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:06,599 Speaker 1: a chill at practice, was fun, coughling the order to 161 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:09,080 Speaker 1: ind and out burger truck and either just slopping down 162 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 1: too in and out burgers. That was a sight to see. 163 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:14,560 Speaker 1: He just showed how relaxed we were. And my message 164 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 1: to the gods was relax, it's just football. The same 165 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 1: thing that God is here is going to be the 166 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 1: thing that's going to help us win. Just to practices 167 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 1: practice football's football. But then they were too relax in 168 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 1: my opinion. But after saying relax, I couldn't tell them 169 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 1: not to relax to the like unrelaxed. So I had 170 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:34,680 Speaker 1: to roll with it. And it was just a sense 171 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 1: of confidence that we had, and I knew it when 172 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 1: we had it. That morning, we walked down to breakfast 173 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:42,960 Speaker 1: before the game and same guy OC. I don't know why, 174 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:44,320 Speaker 1: I was a guy who decided to talk to all 175 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:46,440 Speaker 1: the time, but he looked at me and he goes, straight, 176 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:49,680 Speaker 1: we gotta get to Tom Brady to win this game. 177 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:51,959 Speaker 1: If we don't get to Tom Brady, we're not gonna 178 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 1: win this game. And I'm thinking, what you've been You've 179 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:57,840 Speaker 1: been watching TV because that's what everyone he said, like, whoa, 180 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 1: that's that's something good. Analysis got a future in TV, 181 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 1: which he's gone on to have an incredible future in 182 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:08,959 Speaker 1: TV over in Europe. So but when he said it, 183 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:10,440 Speaker 1: it was a look in his eye that I hadn't 184 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:13,560 Speaker 1: seen all week, Like it was a focus, it was 185 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 1: a it's game. They were ready and we got on 186 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 1: that field, and from that first play you realize everybody 187 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:23,439 Speaker 1: locked in. It's the one game we have eleven guys 188 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:26,080 Speaker 1: on that field and all eleven are locked in. There's 189 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 1: a lot of life not like nine and two guys 190 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:31,320 Speaker 1: that are not focused. All eleven on both sides of 191 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:34,319 Speaker 1: the ball were locked in and the results ended up 192 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 1: being what they were. And that's us giving what I 193 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 1: call the greatest upset in football history. I remember it well. 194 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 1: I lived in Connecticut and all I remember I remember 195 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:52,079 Speaker 1: the final week seventeen and you guys winning some personal 196 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:55,200 Speaker 1: battles on the d line. And then I remember in 197 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 1: the first series thinking, oh shit, giants are winning all 198 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 1: those battles up front. This is gonna be low score. 199 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 1: All I remember is thinking it's gonna be low scoring. 200 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:06,440 Speaker 1: If you're losing those battles in the first series, you're 201 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:09,559 Speaker 1: not going though, because they was scoring like with thirty 202 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:13,080 Speaker 1: five points a game. And believe me, we're hitting Tom 203 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 1: so fast like guys are in the backfield before you 204 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:20,320 Speaker 1: felt like you came off the line of scrimmage. You're like, shit, 205 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 1: how I tucked it back here? How do else he 206 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 1: get back now? How could be commntioned to get back? 207 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 1: How Fred Robins to get back here? How Barry Cofield 208 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:29,440 Speaker 1: get back. The guys are hitting him so frequently and 209 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 1: so fast in his face and just in his passing, 210 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 1: laying his hands up had him scrambling, and it felt 211 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 1: as if like, are they tricking us? Are they even 212 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 1: making it easy? Just to turn it up? Like what's 213 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 1: going on? But once I saw Tom get upset, slammed 214 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 1: the ball down a few times, yelled at a few guys, 215 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 1: I said, we're that good right now, We're rolling, and 216 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 1: we just got to keep it going. Can we maintain 217 00:11:57,080 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 1: it for four quarters? That was the question. But I 218 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 1: think we had enough guys who were hungry enough and 219 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 1: enough of a rotation on defense and everywhere else on 220 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:11,840 Speaker 1: our team that we were able to maintain enough. You're 221 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 1: a big personality. You crushed in New York. Jeter talks 222 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:20,440 Speaker 1: never says anything. Same with Eli. Eli never says anything, 223 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 1: but he can talk forever. It's funny the New I mean, 224 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 1: as a Southern kid, the New York media really embraced Eli. 225 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 1: I mean, he doesn't fit if I'd told you southern 226 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 1: kid brother to Peyton. Everybody loved Eli. They just loved Elf. 227 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:43,320 Speaker 1: And yet did the media embrace you in New York? 228 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 1: That quickly or did it take a while. It took 229 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 1: a while. Man, I don't know if they ever really 230 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 1: embraced me. I was hard on them. They were hard 231 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 1: on me. I was hard on nim Pile. I didn't 232 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 1: give them an you didn't know what it was. I 233 00:12:57,040 --> 00:13:00,320 Speaker 1: was a second pick in the draft, second round. They 234 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 1: didn't have a first round pick. They picked Dave Brown 235 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 1: in the supplemental draft, so I was technically the first 236 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 1: pick fortieth overall. I came out in the year with 237 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 1: Eric Curry, John Copeland, Coleman, Rudolph Carl Simpson, Dan Williams, 238 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:19,559 Speaker 1: who else was that? Todd Kelly, all these guys picked 239 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:22,959 Speaker 1: in front of me in the draft. I think when 240 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 1: I came in New York, no one really knew. I 241 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:27,679 Speaker 1: came out of Texas Southern University nineteen sacks for my 242 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:31,199 Speaker 1: senior year. Forty somethings acton college like I was great. 243 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:34,320 Speaker 1: But they said, oh, this is that, the TSU, HBCU, 244 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:37,679 Speaker 1: the competition, all these excuses. So I don't think they 245 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 1: really expected much of me. I was gonna be a 246 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:41,959 Speaker 1: guy who came through a draft pick. They took a 247 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:44,079 Speaker 1: chance on that. I think that a lot of people 248 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 1: felt may last a few a little while, may give 249 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 1: them a little something here and there, but never had 250 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:50,440 Speaker 1: the career that I had. But at the same time 251 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 1: that was a motivating factor to me and the media 252 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 1: at times. I wasn't probably the easiest guy to deal with. 253 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 1: I was joyful, and I was money, and I greg 254 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:04,720 Speaker 1: gave a great SoundBite. But if you came at me wrong, 255 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:08,840 Speaker 1: I came back at If people don't know not to 256 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 1: call me while I'm on this thing, but if you 257 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 1: came at me wrong, I didn't take it. I came 258 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 1: back at you in the media. But by the end 259 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 1: of my career, the last three years of my career, 260 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:21,840 Speaker 1: I got divorced. As you said, you know, you're married, 261 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 1: divorced Mary or whatever. I got divorced. Man. It was 262 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 1: the hardest thing I'd ever gone through in my life. 263 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 1: Especially you're on the front cover of the paper for 264 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 1: being a great like a worse husband, and they're getting divorced, 265 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 1: and you're on the back cover of the paper forbidding 266 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 1: as incredible football player. But it taught me not to 267 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 1: really care anymore. So when it came to the media, 268 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 1: I was more upset when they talked about my teammates 269 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 1: than ever was about me, because I realized you couldn't 270 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 1: do what I was doing. I could do and talk 271 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 1: about people like you're talking about You can't put on 272 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 1: a uniform and go out there and perform on the field. 273 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 1: So your opinion really didn't matter to me anymore, and 274 00:14:57,360 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 1: I embraced that. I also embraced the fact that you 275 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 1: kind of need me to do your job. I don't 276 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 1: need to talk to you, so I would come. I 277 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 1: would come in and tell the media I only talk 278 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 1: two days a week. I told our PR guy, I'm 279 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 1: only going to talk two days the week. So I 280 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 1: would come into the locker room every day I talked 281 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 1: to the media, knew everybody's name, would joke with them 282 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 1: and say, hey, you know your wife feel married to you. 283 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 1: Let her know it's feel not too late. My god. 284 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 1: She had to realize it yet. Like I used to 285 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 1: mess with guys, you have fun. But if you ask 286 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 1: me one football question on the day that I said 287 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 1: that I would not talk about football, I would shut 288 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 1: it down and say, come on, man, you know I 289 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 1: don't talk about football, and I walk away, like I 290 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 1: controlled the narrative by the end of my career and 291 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 1: controlled the conversation with the media, And I think that 292 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 1: by doing that, I made myself more interesting for them 293 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 1: because they saw me probably as volatile. I saw it 294 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 1: as I'm learning to play your game where you're using me, 295 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 1: or I'm gonna learn to use you, and and it 296 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 1: worked in my benefit. Plus, I used to tell the 297 00:15:57,320 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 1: young guys all the time, being here in New York, 298 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 1: it's a lot of things to do, clubs to go to, 299 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 1: a lot of parties, a lot of people. If you're 300 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 1: supposed to be a huge star, or if you're supposed 301 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 1: to be special and you show up at a club 302 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 1: every night, you're just another patron. Right pretty soon your 303 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 1: star factor diminishes. You're just another patron who comes to 304 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 1: the club. But it's not such a big deal who 305 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 1: you are. Scarcity. So, scarcity of my conversations with the media, 306 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 1: scarcity of my answers about what was coming up in 307 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 1: the game or my thoughts on the game, created a 308 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 1: buzz around talking to me. So I realized when I 309 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 1: did show up at a club or when I did 310 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 1: give a comment in the paper, it was going to 311 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 1: be a bigger deal. So I understood how to play 312 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 1: the game. I kind of figured it out just by 313 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 1: being here and you just have to learn those things. 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Chris Mannox we brought him over 348 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:09,639 Speaker 1: at the Volume so I knew I've known Chris for 349 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:14,479 Speaker 1: a long time. I first identified you or discovered you 350 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 1: for me anyway, You've been doing great work for years 351 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:19,479 Speaker 1: on the Celtics. And then I brought you on shows 352 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:23,439 Speaker 1: I've had, and then I found out discovered you had 353 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 1: a great thirst and knowledge and insight for boxing, you know, gaming. 354 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:30,440 Speaker 1: So we feel so incredibly grateful that you were available. 355 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 1: So we have brought him over to do a boxing podcast. 356 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 1: In fact, he just interviewed his first interview as Floyd Mayweather. Listen, 357 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 1: Floyd at forty four is still lightning quick. It's a 358 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 1: it's you know, it's it's that Brady Lebron thing where 359 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:46,640 Speaker 1: you're like, okay, this doesn't make any sense. When George 360 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 1: Blanda played in his forties, he looked old, he moved 361 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 1: like an old man. Floyd is still so quick. But 362 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:57,159 Speaker 1: you know, so you have Logan Paul and his brother 363 00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:01,720 Speaker 1: and his brother's gonna fight Tyrone Woodley, the UFC guy. 364 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 1: And when I was watching Logan tonight, my takeaway was 365 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:10,120 Speaker 1: Woodley better be ready, he better trained for this. He's 366 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:15,679 Speaker 1: a UFC guy. I think these guys move consumers to 367 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:18,200 Speaker 1: pay per view, Chris, I really do. I think they're 368 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:20,639 Speaker 1: here to stay. I mean, I mean, by my nuts now, 369 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 1: I think they have some staying power. I think at 370 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 1: some point the novelty will wear off, largely because they 371 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 1: won't have the opponents that are going to move the 372 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:35,200 Speaker 1: needle like Tyron Woodley, for Jake Paul moves the needle. 373 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:37,480 Speaker 1: Now Tyron Woodley is going to get smashed because Jake 374 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 1: Paul can actually box a little bit, like he's yeah, 375 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 1: he's got some some skill to it, more than Logan has, 376 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:47,119 Speaker 1: I think. But if these retired MMA guys want to 377 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 1: keep getting in the ring with Jake Paul to try 378 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:51,840 Speaker 1: to make a couple of bucks, there will still be 379 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:55,959 Speaker 1: a market for it for the foreseeable future. I'll tell 380 00:20:55,960 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 1: you what. Like Logan and Floyd saved away, what was 381 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:05,200 Speaker 1: a complete bleep show out there. I mean, it's pouring 382 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:08,639 Speaker 1: rain in Miami, so you've got fights on the undercard 383 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:12,399 Speaker 1: being stopped because they got to wipe off the ring apron. 384 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:15,960 Speaker 1: The only fight that actually mattered was this middleweight contest 385 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:19,440 Speaker 1: when Jared Hurd and Louise Arius and both these guys 386 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:22,920 Speaker 1: are slipping and sliding across the ring while it's going on. 387 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:26,640 Speaker 1: You know the fact that this I meanwhile, you said 388 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:28,919 Speaker 1: you paid fifty bucks for it. I paid a hundred 389 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 1: because the showtime app stopped working midway through and I 390 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:34,639 Speaker 1: had to go over to Fanbo and I tell you what. 391 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:36,520 Speaker 1: You go on Twitter and put in Showtime an app, 392 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 1: and you're gonna see some angry people out there because 393 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 1: that thing failed early on in the pay per view. 394 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 1: So having Floyd and Logan not be the debacle that 395 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:50,879 Speaker 1: Ali and the Japanese wrestler was way back in the 396 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:53,880 Speaker 1: day turned out to be the best thing that could 397 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 1: have happened to this show. Yeah, So for those who 398 00:21:56,640 --> 00:22:00,960 Speaker 1: didn't watch Logan, Paul acquitted himself. He's just a bigger guy. 399 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:05,159 Speaker 1: You know, he looked fatigued by the fourth round. But 400 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 1: I don't think Mayweather neither guy hurt each other. Although 401 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 1: Floyd clearly landed more power punches. That was I don't 402 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 1: have the data in front of me, but Floyd landed 403 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 1: far more power punches, but he was so outsized. I 404 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:22,119 Speaker 1: thought Floyd just didn't want to get whacked. After about 405 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:25,359 Speaker 1: the fifth, I think Floyd knew he won the fight. Sixth, seventh, 406 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 1: and eighth kind of just hid from him. But what 407 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 1: you're telling me, see you think Woodley's gonna get smoked? Yeah, 408 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:35,399 Speaker 1: I do, I don't. They just isn't a crossover, right Like, 409 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 1: And if if Jake Paul went into MMA, he'd get 410 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:42,320 Speaker 1: destroyed by Tyron Woodley. It's just their combat sports. I 411 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:44,520 Speaker 1: just they're just not similar. I've seen it too many 412 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 1: times go both ways. Do you think Jake is significantly 413 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:52,480 Speaker 1: better than Logan? Because I Logan tonight surprised me. I 414 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:55,359 Speaker 1: take him to a different tonight. I looked at Logan 415 00:22:55,400 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 1: and I thought, I don't know, this looks kind of legitimate. Um, 416 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 1: It's hard to tell with Jake because Jake fought a 417 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 1: truly goofy you Turber in his first fight a couple 418 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:11,879 Speaker 1: of years ago. He then beat the daylights out of 419 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:15,560 Speaker 1: Nate Robinson, and then his last fight he stomps up 420 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 1: Ben At. What I could say about Jake is that 421 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:20,360 Speaker 1: he seems like he has that that quick twitch more 422 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 1: than Logan does. Like he can fill a right hand, Yeah, 423 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:26,440 Speaker 1: he's got that, whereas Logans just kind of lumbering and 424 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 1: you know, we'll try to land one lucky punch. Jake's 425 00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:32,480 Speaker 1: punches aren't really lucky there. You know. I know his 426 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 1: his trainer, BJ Flores pretty well, and I used to 427 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:37,240 Speaker 1: work with him on broadcast at NBC, and BJ has 428 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:40,000 Speaker 1: told me all the time, like this actual talent there not, 429 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:43,920 Speaker 1: you know. Championship level talent, but actual talent inside Jake Paul. 430 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 1: So I think he's he's a little better and because 431 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 1: of that, Colin, I don't think we'll see Floyd back 432 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:52,680 Speaker 1: again doing something like this. I mean, it's it was 433 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 1: kind of set up for Floyd to face Jake Paul 434 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,360 Speaker 1: in the next fight. Jake signed that deal with Showtime 435 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:01,240 Speaker 1: multi fight deal, he'll fight Woodley in the first one, 436 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 1: and the assumption, at least on Showtime side, was that 437 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:06,880 Speaker 1: Mayweather would want to fight Jake assuming this fight went 438 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:08,879 Speaker 1: the way he hoped it would go. It didn't, like 439 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:11,919 Speaker 1: Maywell didn't get the fifth, sixth, seventh round knockout that 440 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,160 Speaker 1: I'm sure he was expecting. No, I don't know he's 441 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,360 Speaker 1: gonna want to get in with Jake, who's as big. 442 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 1: Jake'sbout one hundred and ninety pounds too, like he's not 443 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:20,919 Speaker 1: a small guy. I'm knowf he's gonna want to get 444 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:24,439 Speaker 1: in with Jake Paul and go through the same kind 445 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:25,920 Speaker 1: of thing. Unless the money is so huge. Lets this 446 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,680 Speaker 1: pay per view comes back and it's massive and Jake 447 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,639 Speaker 1: Paul does a massive pay per view against Tyrone Woodley, 448 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 1: maybe then, but I think tonight probably dissuaded Floyd from 449 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:39,960 Speaker 1: doing something like this against someone like them. Ever again, 450 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 1: let's bring on Chad Milman, chief content officer of the 451 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 1: Action Network college football reporters. You know, there's a reason, Milman, 452 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,920 Speaker 1: that people get tired of the media because they're cynical. 453 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,439 Speaker 1: And all I read for the last two days is 454 00:24:56,440 --> 00:25:00,719 Speaker 1: college football writers vetching about the play and I'm like, 455 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:05,119 Speaker 1: it's not perfect, but it's gonna be great. It's what 456 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 1: everybody wants. It's more betting opportunities, it's more big games. 457 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 1: College football has a big game problem. We never get 458 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:16,199 Speaker 1: enough big games because the Southern teams won't travel on 459 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 1: the road. Big twelve team and Pac twelve teams don't 460 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:21,639 Speaker 1: want to go to the South. And all I do 461 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:23,919 Speaker 1: is read all these guys complaining. I look at the 462 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 1: twelve team playoff and I'm like, college football has always 463 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 1: been imperfect. You know. Pro sports tries to keep it 464 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,439 Speaker 1: balanced by if you're good, you get bad draft picks, 465 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:36,440 Speaker 1: right like college sports are the opposite. The more dynamic 466 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,480 Speaker 1: you are, the better recruits you get. It's really totally unfair. 467 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:42,919 Speaker 1: The budgets are unfair, the geography is unfair. There's more 468 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,920 Speaker 1: good high school football players in the South. I love 469 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:50,879 Speaker 1: the idea. Do you believe it will surpass March Madness 470 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 1: as the second biggest betting event in sports after the 471 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 1: Super Bowl? I don't think so. I like the premise 472 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 1: of what you're saying. I love that you used Yiddish 473 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:09,119 Speaker 1: to describe how reporters were responding. They were great, great 474 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,639 Speaker 1: use of the word. I think that all of a sudden, 475 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:17,879 Speaker 1: January which was already a big betting event as a month, 476 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 1: because you've got NFL playoffs, you've got a little college basketball, 477 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:25,160 Speaker 1: you've got an NBA, and you've got the college football 478 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:29,080 Speaker 1: playoff at least the title game, if not always the 479 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 1: playing games. Now you're going to have multiple playoff games 480 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 1: for the NFL playoff games and playing game for college football. 481 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:40,480 Speaker 1: January itself starts to shape up as a massive, massive 482 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,200 Speaker 1: betting opportunity. I was out with some of those media 483 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 1: folks in the city last night. The first thing anyone 484 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 1: mentioned to me was college football playoff January, NFL playoffs January. 485 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:57,800 Speaker 1: The betting opportunities have exploded for that month. Do you 486 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,920 Speaker 1: when it comes to college football and we can talk 487 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 1: gambling or ratings, it's about a quarter as popular in 488 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:09,960 Speaker 1: television as the NFL. It'll get a five rating for 489 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 1: an NFL game that would get us an eighteen or 490 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:16,680 Speaker 1: a nineteen. It's about one quarter as popular, I would 491 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 1: imagine from a gambling perspective, it's not even close to 492 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,640 Speaker 1: the NFL, or is it. It's closer than you think 493 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 1: because the volume of games and because you just made 494 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 1: a really good point, teams in the South won't travel. 495 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:35,200 Speaker 1: There's a lot it's hard to find sort of balance 496 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 1: in the way that college football manages parody. But the 497 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 1: people who do bet it is very regionalized and it 498 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:47,000 Speaker 1: is very very passionate. We at Action Network and a 499 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:49,960 Speaker 1: lot of the sportsbook operators, you know, our partners from 500 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:54,520 Speaker 1: Volume at FanDuel. They can't wait for Louisiana to go 501 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:58,440 Speaker 1: online as a betting state this fall. Betting in the 502 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:02,960 Speaker 1: South is massive, and so you're getting that opportunity. You're 503 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:06,440 Speaker 1: getting betting in the West in LA. People who love 504 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:10,199 Speaker 1: Arizona right, Arizona football, Arizona State football. They will be 505 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 1: legal in Arizona this fall. So it is very regionalized 506 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:19,720 Speaker 1: and the markets in those regions can be incredibly, incredibly active. Yeah, 507 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 1: so I'm excited for it. I do laugh at the idea. 508 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 1: I got a lot of this yesterday because I said, 509 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 1: the SEC is going to continue dominating. They have the 510 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:34,080 Speaker 1: most great high school football players and their geographic footprint, 511 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 1: and people said, no, now, the exposure will be so 512 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 1: good for everybody. To that, I said, when you have 513 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 1: the shark tank, exposures only good if your product's good. 514 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:49,760 Speaker 1: If you bring out a crappy product and they poke 515 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 1: holes in it, you look like a schmuck. So the 516 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 1: American Idol was great unless you're saying like William Hung 517 00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:00,880 Speaker 1: and then you were a joke like. Exposure only matters 518 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,520 Speaker 1: when you're ready for the stage. So if Alabama rolls 519 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:07,000 Speaker 1: you forty eight to three, that doesn't do you any 520 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 1: good in recruiting. When I moved. When I went to 521 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:15,760 Speaker 1: ESPN my first year, Chatt will never forget this. They 522 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 1: did a promo about college football and they said, the 523 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:25,000 Speaker 1: Florida Gators from Tallahassee take on the Seminoles from Gainesville. 524 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 1: Why because nobody in the building new college football. They 525 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,720 Speaker 1: only televised about seventy five games a year. By the 526 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 1: time I left ESPN, they televised five hundred. What does 527 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:38,960 Speaker 1: that mean? It means everybody's had exposure for ten years 528 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:42,000 Speaker 1: and it's still the big dogs dominating. It's not like 529 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 1: they're getting less exposure. The truth is, if you put 530 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:49,520 Speaker 1: two beautiful people, both get exposure, the more beautiful still 531 00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:53,760 Speaker 1: curries the most favor So Ohio State and Wisconsin they 532 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 1: both get exposure. All the great players still want to 533 00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,240 Speaker 1: go to Ohio State. Kids aren't stupid. They see who 534 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,200 Speaker 1: goes in the first round of the NFL Draft. I 535 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:05,160 Speaker 1: don't think it changes any dynamic, any power dynamic from 536 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 1: the has and has not do you not a chance. 537 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:12,520 Speaker 1: But it is an sec and now a little bit 538 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:17,440 Speaker 1: acc dominated sport that's not going to change. That is 539 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 1: endemic to the region, That is endemic to the quality 540 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 1: of the players in those states. It is how they 541 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:30,080 Speaker 1: emphasize and it's what's important. And a lot of it, 542 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,880 Speaker 1: I also think is about whether right you know, it's 543 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:37,760 Speaker 1: it's becoming easier to play football year round in states 544 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 1: where it is warmer, they change the offenses. There are 545 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:45,960 Speaker 1: more athletes gravitating to those sports in those regions than 546 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:49,960 Speaker 1: there are in the Northeast, which has never been a 547 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 1: college football power, than there are in the Midwest, where 548 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:55,840 Speaker 1: it's still only Ohio State, maybe Penn State every once 549 00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:58,120 Speaker 1: in a while, but they've got to be recruiting. You see, 550 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:02,600 Speaker 1: Indiana even this year, jumped into the conversation around college football. 551 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:06,000 Speaker 1: It is a terrible football school. I went there. I 552 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 1: love it to death. The only reason it's getting better 553 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,800 Speaker 1: is because they're recruiting the sort of second and third 554 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:15,280 Speaker 1: tier players from Florida who aren't getting to the bigger schools. 555 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,560 Speaker 1: It's like, and if all you're going to be doing 556 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,280 Speaker 1: to get better is recruiting the second and third tier 557 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:24,520 Speaker 1: players from the Florida schools the Georgia schools, then you're 558 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:25,880 Speaker 1: never going to be as good as the first year 559 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,280 Speaker 1: players who are going because look at this, think about 560 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:31,280 Speaker 1: this camp. For years, for years, there would be these 561 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 1: studies about the number of draft picks who were five 562 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:39,600 Speaker 1: star recruits right, And for years it was, well, this 563 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:41,640 Speaker 1: guy wasn't a five star. This guy wasn't a five star. 564 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 1: Because Alabama is so dominant, because LSU is so dominant, 565 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:48,680 Speaker 1: the trend is changing and all of a sudden, the 566 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,040 Speaker 1: five star recruits are also the number one draft picks 567 00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:53,520 Speaker 1: because they are getting so much better in college. And 568 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,959 Speaker 1: it's very concentrated. It's a fascinating way to look at it. 569 00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:02,800 Speaker 1: But I don't see the expansion getting better for Arizona 570 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,000 Speaker 1: or Indiana. Yeah, I mean, listen, Wisconsin's on TV seven 571 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,600 Speaker 1: times a year. Now it'll be eight. It doesn't matter. 572 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:13,200 Speaker 1: They kids don't want to play in freezing weather in 573 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:18,640 Speaker 1: the middle of October. Yeah, it's listen. They're part of 574 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,520 Speaker 1: the expansion of the South. And you can go back 575 00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:25,120 Speaker 1: to the fifty sixties. Whenever they invented air conditioning, is 576 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:31,360 Speaker 1: that factory workers. Until air conditioning, Arizona wasn't very big. 577 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 1: You know. Air conditioning is why people could go live 578 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:39,000 Speaker 1: in the South or in Arizona. Right, what's the same premise? 579 00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:43,920 Speaker 1: Like people would rather live in warm weather, play in 580 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:48,160 Speaker 1: warm weather, vacation in warm weather. So if you look 581 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 1: when I was growing up as a kid, the college 582 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:54,760 Speaker 1: football powers were cold weather, Penn State, cold weather, Michigan 583 00:32:54,840 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 1: cold weather, Notre Dame cold weather, Washington, cold weather, Nebrasa 584 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:04,720 Speaker 1: cold weather, Michigan. Those were the powers. And then there 585 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:10,680 Speaker 1: was like Alabama, Oklahoma. What happened? Then everybody gets their 586 00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,240 Speaker 1: games on TV and the kids in warm weather schools 587 00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:16,200 Speaker 1: go we don't have to go to cold weather. The 588 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:21,320 Speaker 1: only cold weather college football power that remains top five 589 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:26,640 Speaker 1: is Ohio State. That's it. Why because when given the choice, 590 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:30,560 Speaker 1: Americans choose warm weather. Even cold weather. People when they 591 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:34,440 Speaker 1: get old and aren't tied to a job in cold weather, 592 00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,920 Speaker 1: move to warm weather. One of the people that works 593 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:42,080 Speaker 1: with me at the Action Network. His name is Chris Raybon. 594 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:45,920 Speaker 1: He's one of our lead NFL analysts. He was born 595 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:50,440 Speaker 1: and raised in New York City. He went to Syracuse. 596 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,360 Speaker 1: After Syracuse, he went back to New York City. His 597 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:55,560 Speaker 1: girlfriend got a job in LA. He just moved to 598 00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:57,959 Speaker 1: LA last week. I said, how's it going so far? 599 00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:00,880 Speaker 1: He goes, it's amazing. I go, you will never move 600 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,960 Speaker 1: back to the East Coast again. And he is as 601 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:08,680 Speaker 1: hardcore New York as it gets. He will never ever 602 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:12,640 Speaker 1: move back to the East Coast again. You are you 603 00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:16,600 Speaker 1: are never a sort of died in the wool East Coaster. 604 00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:18,960 Speaker 1: I mean you are coming from the state of Washington. 605 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,160 Speaker 1: You sort of gradually moved your way east as your 606 00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,680 Speaker 1: career got bigger. And then we're living in Bristol, You're 607 00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:28,400 Speaker 1: in LA. The chances of you, no matter what you 608 00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,440 Speaker 1: do with the rest of your life, the chances of 609 00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:34,520 Speaker 1: you leaving LA are zero. Nobody leaves the West Coast 610 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,000 Speaker 1: when they go to the West Coast. Almost said this, 611 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,080 Speaker 1: if you can make money out west, there's no reason 612 00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:43,279 Speaker 1: to leave. If you make money out east, half the 613 00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:46,800 Speaker 1: people would still choose the West. That's the quality of life. 614 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:50,080 Speaker 1: The way when I hear about all these tax gypsies. 615 00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:53,239 Speaker 1: If you want to go live in Seattle and be 616 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,640 Speaker 1: under grace guys ten months a year. I grew up there, 617 00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:57,120 Speaker 1: go for it. If you want to live in New 618 00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:00,680 Speaker 1: Hampshire or Wyoming, go for it. I don't. I'm not. 619 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,560 Speaker 1: I got nothing against Texas, but Dallas boards that meet 620 00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,040 Speaker 1: a tears and it's a furnace in the summer. The 621 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:10,200 Speaker 1: reality with college football fans to circle back is whereas 622 00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:13,360 Speaker 1: in the NFL, the team chooses you, in college football, 623 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:17,280 Speaker 1: the player chooses the team. And there if every college 624 00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:22,000 Speaker 1: football program in America had their best coach ever, Joe 625 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:26,440 Speaker 1: Paterno still wouldn't beat Nick Saban Right now, Florida with 626 00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:30,640 Speaker 1: Urban Meyer would still beat Michigan and Bosham Beckler. The 627 00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:35,560 Speaker 1: truth is, I love the Washington Huskies, but when USC 628 00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:40,160 Speaker 1: at Pete Carroll, it would beat the Washington Huskies. When 629 00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:45,480 Speaker 1: warm weather powers get the right coach, they win. To 630 00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:48,520 Speaker 1: my point earlier, I can't believe you didn't say Nick 631 00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:52,680 Speaker 1: Saban would still beat Lee Corso at Indiana, because that's 632 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,120 Speaker 1: really the matchup I was thinking about. But you're one 633 00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,120 Speaker 1: hundred percent right. And see your earlier point when you 634 00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:01,520 Speaker 1: started talking about people think that more teams in the 635 00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:04,839 Speaker 1: playoff will increase exposure for college football teams and then 636 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:09,640 Speaker 1: give the opportunity to places like Wisconsin or let's say 637 00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:12,719 Speaker 1: it's a Washington on a more consistent basis, or Oregon 638 00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:16,160 Speaker 1: outside of the Chip Kelly era, give them more of 639 00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,399 Speaker 1: an opportunity because more students will get to see them 640 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,880 Speaker 1: and go play there. It's recruiting is not even about exposure. 641 00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:25,359 Speaker 1: It's about the coaches. You know, Dabo Sweeney goes into 642 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,280 Speaker 1: a house, he wins. Nick Saban goes into a house, 643 00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:32,160 Speaker 1: he line dances, he wins. That's it, And like, it 644 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:34,520 Speaker 1: is harder and harder to compete with the legacy of 645 00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:37,920 Speaker 1: those guys, the legacy of those programs, especially when you 646 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:41,880 Speaker 1: are in good weather, that is like it is something 647 00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:52,759 Speaker 1: you cannot win against. That wrapped up for the week, 648 00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:54,800 Speaker 1: we're heading into another big week here at The Volume. 649 00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,920 Speaker 1: Make sure to subscribe and follow us at the Volume 650 00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:09,000 Speaker 1: Sports on Twitter and Instagram. The Volume