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Speaker 1: The electors led by Member Martin Sheen, Republican members of

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Speaker 1: our founding fathers built the Electoral College to safeguard the

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Speaker 1: The Electoral College was created specifically to prevent an unfit

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Speaker 1: And they're providing Democrats with the centralized resource to oppose

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Speaker 1: to talk about how you know, the Russian supposedly influenced

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Speaker 1: you know, the election, and that's the only reason Trump

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Speaker 1: got uh, you know, nominated, and that's the only reason one. Well,

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Speaker 1: they're so quick to forget that they cheated Bernie out

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Speaker 1: of a you know, a fair process to be it's

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Speaker 1: the Democratic nominee. They're so quick to erase all the

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Speaker 1: memories of you know, people having the information that you know,

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Speaker 1: they cheated Bernie out of a fair process is crazy. Well,

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Speaker 1: it's great that you say that, because this whole Daily

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Speaker 1: Mail article about Julian Ossan's friend and associate and the

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Speaker 1: guy that works at Wiki Leagues, the former British ambassador

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Speaker 1: to Uzbekistan saying that the Wiki League's emails came from

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Speaker 1: the Clinton campaign from a disgusted, de amocratic whistleblower for

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Speaker 1: the very specific reason that you're talking about, and that

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Speaker 1: is that you know that that all this information about

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Speaker 1: Podesta's emails were handed off at a Woodedier area near

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Speaker 1: American University, and that those the motivation of the leaker

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Speaker 1: was discussed at the corruption of the Clinton Foundation and

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Speaker 1: tilting the primary election playing field against Bernie, and the

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Speaker 1: source apparently had legal access to the information that the

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Speaker 1: documents came from inside. Yeah, you're right. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: did they care about the media clothing with Hillary Josh?

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Speaker 1: You know? And it's just so funny because I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's just accusations. It's accusations after accusations. You have the

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Speaker 1: FBI directors saying as nonsense and they don't care it's

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Speaker 1: like they're doing everything they can to be uh, to

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Speaker 1: get to the point of, Okay, you know what, he's

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Speaker 1: gonna become our president. Let's give him the respect that he,

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Speaker 1: you know, deserves. But it's just they don't want to

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Speaker 1: do that. And I don't remember when Obama. I was

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Speaker 1: so frustrated when Obama got elected. You know, I'm in

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Speaker 1: a conservative state, but even even then, so like when

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Speaker 1: he got when he got elected, I don't remember it

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Speaker 1: being like this. I don't remember when people were crying

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Speaker 1: and going in Hillary and saying, oh my goodness, where

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Speaker 1: you know, we're we're doomed. I don't remember any of that.

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Speaker 1: It's just it's so sticks stickening. You know. My friends,

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Speaker 1: people I talked to, they just they cannot come to

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Speaker 1: their senses. They're just you know, they want to cry

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Speaker 1: about it and make excuses, and it's just it's stickening.

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Speaker 1: What did and I appreciate the call. What did wiki

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Speaker 1: leaks do? Now, remember we're gonna have Juliana San John

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Speaker 1: at the top of the next hour. What did wiki

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Speaker 1: leaks do? Okay, they exposed how corrupt America's media is,

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Speaker 1: every big network, every major newspaper, How they colluded with

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Speaker 1: the Clinton campaign. It exposed how they cheated to help

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Speaker 1: Bernie to beat Bernie Sanders. It exposed racism within the

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Speaker 1: Democratic National Committee, and sexism within the Democratic National Committee,

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Speaker 1: anti Semitism within the Democratic National Committee. They exposed all

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Speaker 1: of that. It exposed just how deeply corrupt and what

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Speaker 1: a liar Hillary Clinton is, which we can argue we

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Speaker 1: already knew that, but it confirmed it was at a

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Speaker 1: deeper level. Now, I would argue with you that if

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Speaker 1: this for about and I'll ask Julian in the next hour,

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Speaker 1: if it was about Donald Trump, would have done the

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Speaker 1: same thing, because I suspect the answers yes. And I

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Speaker 1: also will tell you this that you know, in many

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Speaker 1: ways he's he's the modern day Woodward and Bernstein. There's

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Speaker 1: they've not been wicked, leaks, has not been wrong in

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Speaker 1: ten years, a perfect track record. And Julian Assan says, now,

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Speaker 1: we didn't get it from them, We didn't get it

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Speaker 1: from any state, we didn't get it from Russia. So

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Speaker 1: what evidence does you know, Lindsey Graham, the idiot, you know,

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Speaker 1: what is he sighting except that he hates Trump like

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Speaker 1: McCain hates Trump like case at cates Trump like the

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Speaker 1: Bush just hate Trump. I mean, I'll just be honest here.

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Speaker 1: The only people doing this are people that have always

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Speaker 1: hated Trump and wanted to undermine and sabotage them. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: Wiki leaks did what Woodward and Bernstein did. They exposed

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Speaker 1: a level of corruption and government. That's what they did.

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Speaker 1: I've been saying, where is where are the ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC,

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Speaker 1: Where where are the Woodward and Bernstein's of this age?

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Speaker 1: Martha Rabbit's crying on TV for crying out loud, all

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Speaker 1: the Hollywood stars they saw Hamilton's. Now they're quoting Hamilton's

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Speaker 1: and they saw the play, and now they're quoting him

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Speaker 1: and the Constitution that Obama stomped on all these years

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Speaker 1: as a means of telling electors to not go for Trump.

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Speaker 1: By the way, you don't think we need extreme vetting.

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Speaker 1: A thousand Muslims in London streets chanting Allaho ak bar,

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Speaker 1: demanding an Islamic caliphate really pretty interesting when Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: talks about extreme ben you want to invite those people here.

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Speaker 1: By the way, you gotta give the t s a credit.

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Speaker 1: They confiscated a big Teddy bear. Anyway, given the detailed

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Speaker 1: backstory about he's homeless and hungry and now in order

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Speaker 1: to remind us that everything is bad. But agents and

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Speaker 1: Los Angeles confiscated a giant Teddy bear and posted a

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Speaker 1: photo of the poor guy on Instagram, and they gave

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Speaker 1: him a depressing backstory. I don't know what's happening. By

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Speaker 1: the way, fake news. You hear about this New York

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Speaker 1: City college student who claimed to be a victim of

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Speaker 1: a hate crime because she's a Muslim. Everybody raced out

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Speaker 1: to see that was Trump supporters. Trump supporters. She made

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Speaker 1: it up. Whoopsie Daisy. Another guy faked KKK crime and abduction,

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Speaker 1: you know, looking to blame President elect Trump supporters for

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Speaker 1: a hate crime. Well, he confessed to the police. He

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Speaker 1: fabricated his incident as well. Whoopsie Daisy. Fake news all

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Speaker 1: over the place. Uh anyway, So yeah, I don't know

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Speaker 1: what to tell you. We're gonna have Julian Assange at

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Speaker 1: the top of the next NIP. There's a lot of

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Speaker 1: information just put aside, maybe preconceived notion, any prejudice you

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Speaker 1: might have. I want you to listen to Julian Assange.

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Speaker 1: Number one, he hacked into the d d NASA at

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Speaker 1: the age of sixteen. The guy is brilliant. The guy,

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Speaker 1: for not being an American citizen, knows more about American

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Speaker 1: politics than journalists. Listen to what he has to say

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Speaker 1: and then decide do you believe Obama, Josh Ernest, Hillary Clinton,

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Speaker 1: and the left and the media. What do you believe

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Speaker 1: Julian Assans. That's your assignment for the next hour as well.

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Speaker 1: Let Julian Osans talk here on this program on like

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Speaker 1: other shows where they try and beat him up and

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Speaker 1: not let him get a word in edgewise. Mediaphi where

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Speaker 1: for the five and about U nine major publications in

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Speaker 1: the United States are biased in favor of higuant. John Kerry,

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Speaker 1: the Secretary of State, and some other US officials and

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Speaker 1: the Hillary Clinton campaign kept putting forth propaganda to say

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Speaker 1: that our publications revealing various forms of corruption and scandal

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Speaker 1: within Hillary Clinton's network was in fact interference in the

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Speaker 1: United States electoral process. But this has not interference in

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Speaker 1: the electoral process. This is the definition of the electoral

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Speaker 1: process is for media organizations and in fact everyone to

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Speaker 1: publish the truth and their opinion about what is occurring.

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Speaker 1: There cannot be a free and informed election unless people

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Speaker 1: are free to inform. You accuse the present America of

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Speaker 1: supporting Hillary Clinton. You said, the American liberal press has

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Speaker 1: falling all over themselves to defend Hillary Clinton. They're erecting

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Speaker 1: a demon that is going to put nooses around everyone's

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Speaker 1: next as soon as she wins the election, which she

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Speaker 1: is almost certainly going to do. What did you mean

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Speaker 1: by that? What I meant is this kind of you know,

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Speaker 1: the Democrats always speaking about how terrible McCarthyism was, and

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Speaker 1: there were and it was in many ways, but at

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Speaker 1: least the USSR actually existed then, and there were actually

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Speaker 1: Russian influenced campaigns in the United States which were serious.

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Speaker 1: What we're seeing now is Hillary Clinton and her campaign

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Speaker 1: trying to whip up and neo McCarthys hysteria where she

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Speaker 1: claims or she claims that effectively Donald Trump is an

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Speaker 1: agent to the Russians, that Wikilis is an agent to

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Speaker 1: the Russians, and where her campaign has also implied that

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Speaker 1: Jill Stein, the Greens leader, is a Russian agent, and

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Speaker 1: that they intercept another US publication effectively Russian agents. So

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Speaker 1: what we have yet we have look objectively, we have

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Speaker 1: the ruling party's preferred successor running around calling the opposition leader,

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Speaker 1: in fact, multiple opposition leaders and the critical press foreign agents.

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Speaker 1: By the way, isn't it isn't that the very probable

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Speaker 1: terrible climate to permit, and what kind of press climate

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Speaker 1: is going to exist afterwards, especially if Clinton is elected.

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Speaker 1: It will be perceived to be a validation of that hysteria,

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Speaker 1: and so the press afterwards will be cracked down upon,

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Speaker 1: and online publishers and people on social media. It will

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Speaker 1: lead to a very harsh climate where the First Amendment

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Speaker 1: will be very significantly eroded. The Clinton campaign has said

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Speaker 1: that Russia is behind all of this. He says the

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Speaker 1: Russia has manipulated the campaign and is the source for

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Speaker 1: wiki leaks and it's emails. The Clinton camp has been

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Speaker 1: able to project that kind of neo McCarthy's hysteria that

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Speaker 1: Russia is responsible for everything hithery. Clinton stated multiple times

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Speaker 1: falsely the seventeen uous intelligence agencies had assess that Russia

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Speaker 1: was the source of our publications. Okay, uh, that's false.

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Speaker 1: We can say that the Russian government is not the source. Yes,

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Speaker 1: we have been publishing for ten years. In that ten years,

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Speaker 1: we've published ten million documents, several thousand individual publications, several

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Speaker 1: thousand different sources, and we have never got it wrong,

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Speaker 1: all right. That was Julian Assange and numerous interviews that

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Speaker 1: he had, of course with Wiki Leaks, and Julian joins

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Speaker 1: us now our newsmaker line, Julian, welcome back to the program.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. I know you follow

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Speaker 1: the news closely. I know you see the narrative. Now

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Speaker 1: there is a big bruhahab in the United States. The

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Speaker 1: same media, by the way, that Wiki Leaks exposed as

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Speaker 1: colluding with Hillary Clinton's campaign with near hysteria getting up

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Speaker 1: to the president and John Podesta with Hillary's campaign claiming

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Speaker 1: over and over and over again that it's clear the

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Speaker 1: CIA says so even though there's no new evidence whatsoever

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Speaker 1: that we didn't have prior to the election, and that

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Speaker 1: the FBI contradicts, and James Clapper, the National Director of Intelligence,

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Speaker 1: contradicts that in fact, the Russians tried to influence and

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Speaker 1: the elections and and this hacked information came from them,

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Speaker 1: And you're saying that is outrightly false, that's a falsehood.

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Speaker 1: Our source is not the Russian government. So in other words,

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Speaker 1: let me be clear, Russia did not give you the

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Speaker 1: podested documents or anything from the d n C. Can

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Speaker 1: you confirm whether or not you have information involving hacked

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Speaker 1: info from the r n C. H we received about

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Speaker 1: three pages information to do with the r n C

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Speaker 1: and Trump, but it was already public somewhere else, Okay.

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Speaker 1: So in other words, there was nothing significant. There was

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Speaker 1: nothing comparable to what happened. So what Ranks previous said

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Speaker 1: on NBC to Chuck Todd this weekend was true and

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Speaker 1: NBC had it wrong. Well, as far as as far

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Speaker 1: as you're aware of now, the c i A supposedly

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Speaker 1: says the Russians definitely tried to im once the U S. Election.

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Speaker 1: What is your thoughts on that? I think it's very interesting. Uh.

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Speaker 1: The key quote for US is from James Clapper on

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Speaker 1: the seventeenth of November. James Clapper is the head of

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Speaker 1: the d NI either he's the Director of National Intelligence

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Speaker 1: who oversees all seventeen U S intelligence agencies. Uh. And

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Speaker 1: so his statement is as far as the wiki leaks connection,

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Speaker 1: this is made to the House Intelligence Committee. As far

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Speaker 1: as the WikiLeaks connection, the evidence is not strong and

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Speaker 1: we don't have a good insight into the sequencing of

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Speaker 1: the releases or when the data may have been provided.

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Speaker 1: We don't have good insight into that. So let me

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Speaker 1: let me for the sake of our audience, Julian, let

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Speaker 1: me play the exact quote. This is James Clapper, the

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Speaker 1: Director of National Intelligence, saying exactly what you did that

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Speaker 1: in fact the Russian government well to what he exactly

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Speaker 1: said that. In fact, he was very very clear in

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Speaker 1: saying that Wiki leaks connection with Russian hacking is not strong.

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Speaker 1: Is the wiki leaks UH connection? The evidence there is

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Speaker 1: not as strong, and we don't have good insight into

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Speaker 1: the sequencing of the releases or when when the data

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Speaker 1: may have been provided. We don't. We don't have as

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Speaker 1: good insight into that. So that confirms exactly what you're saying.

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Speaker 1: Can you answer whether or not there there's a report

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Speaker 1: out today, and there was a report out earlier this

643
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Speaker 1: week that in fact, they can trace back some leaks

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Speaker 1: to the Department of Homeland Security as it relates to

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Speaker 1: the state of Georgia. Do you know anything about those

646
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Speaker 1: I looked when the uh, Look, let's pull back a bit.

647
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Speaker 1: There's a deliberate attempt this week to consulate a whole

648
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Speaker 1: lot of different issues together. Uh, it seems to be

649
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Speaker 1: uh as a desire, an extremely dangerous and foolish desire

650
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Speaker 1: to flip members of the U S. Electoral College around

651
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Speaker 1: into getting up John Kasik or Hillary Clinton on the

652
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 1: It's foolish because it won't happen. It's dangerous because the

653
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 1: argument that it should happen can be used in four

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Speaker 1: years time or eight years time for a sitting government

655
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Speaker 1: that doesn't want to hand over power, and that's a

656
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 1: very dangerous thing. There there's Clinton aligned packs putting out

657
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 1: ads with lots of celebrities trying to push these electors

658
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 1: to do it. So how are they rhetorically going about it? Well,

659
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:46,840
Speaker 1: there's our publications. It did make a significant influence during election.

660
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,319
Speaker 1: Lots and lots of Americans took them up, read them,

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Speaker 1: analyzed them, forwarded them to each other. I was the

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Speaker 1: most discussed topic according to Facebook throughout October. Okay, but

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Speaker 1: then we have U S Intelligence saying they don't know

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Speaker 1: how we got our staff or when we got it,

665
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Speaker 1: and us saying we didn't get it from a state.

666
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Speaker 1: Then there's hacking of various systems that have occurred. Okay,

667
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 1: presumably to get intelligence. The Israelis do it, the Russians

668
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 1: do it, the Chinese do it, The French do it

669
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Speaker 1: every year and every election cycle to understand what policies are.

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Speaker 1: So it's no surprise at all that there's record of

671
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Speaker 1: Russians or others hacking a lot of these systems. Let

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Speaker 1: let me put the questions collection. Let me put us

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Speaker 1: a different way. The State of Georgia in the United States,

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Speaker 1: the Secretary of State there now confirms ten separate cyber

675
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Speaker 1: attacks on its network that we're all traced back to

676
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Speaker 1: the US Department of Homeland Security addresses. Do you know

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Speaker 1: anything about that. I don't know about this specific case,

678
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 1: but the state are hacking I do know about because

679
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Speaker 1: I followed it when it first came up in the

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Speaker 1: original FBI report. Um, Look, these are about election. Voter

681
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Speaker 1: registration systems, are not election not vote counting systems. Uh.

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Speaker 1: It seems to be just basic identity theft. If you

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Speaker 1: if you read what DHS said at the time, it

684
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Speaker 1: said that it looked like these were going to be

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Speaker 1: sold online in black markets. Really, is for the FSB

686
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Speaker 1: going to be selling voter registration records online in black markets? No,

687
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Speaker 1: of course, it's almost overwhelmingly likely that it is just

688
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Speaker 1: identity left. Let me ask the DHS attacks are concerned.

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Speaker 1: That could be a number of things. It could be

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Speaker 1: the DHS just testing security and then people using the

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Speaker 1: logs of those tests, or rather misusing them to try

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Speaker 1: and claim that there's been attempt at hacks of these systems.

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Speaker 1: While I certainly respect and by the way, it is

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Speaker 1: important to point out some of your history. When you

695
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 1: were sixteen years old, you did hack into NASA, you

696
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Speaker 1: did hack into the Department of Defense, and I believe

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Speaker 1: one other agency. Is that true. There's a number of

698
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Speaker 1: books saying that, So there's a pretty good chance that

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Speaker 1: might be true. Never been charged for that. I don't

700
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Speaker 1: like to keep it that way. Yeah, that's true. Maybe

701
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Speaker 1: the statute of limitations moved on. I said, I have

702
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Speaker 1: said that there are two things that America needs to

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Speaker 1: take from you in some of these other high private

704
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Speaker 1: profile cases. And one is there's proof positive that we

705
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Speaker 1: don't really have cybersecurity at a level we need for

706
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Speaker 1: for a country that is so actively involved in intelligence

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Speaker 1: and and influencing world events, etcetera. So you've done us

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Speaker 1: a favor because now we could fix the problem if

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Speaker 1: we so desired, but in all the years President Obama

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Speaker 1: has been in office, he did nothing to fix it.

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Speaker 1: The second thing that I think you you did for America,

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Speaker 1: which I think is very important, is you exposed how

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Speaker 1: corrupt our government is. And I'll get to that in

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Speaker 1: a second. Without revealing your sources, would it be fair

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Speaker 1: to say that the information as it relates to Wiki

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Speaker 1: leaks and John Podesta's emails came from within the United States?

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Speaker 1: To you, we have said it has not come from

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Speaker 1: a state party. We know where it came from originally,

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Speaker 1: of course it's John Podesta, It's from the d n C, etcetera.

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Speaker 1: There's been no claim that has been held up and

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Speaker 1: not even maintained anymore, that any of the information has

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Speaker 1: been modified or is fake. So you can't confirm or

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Speaker 1: deny if this information came from within the United States.

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Speaker 1: We're unhappy that we felt that we needed to even

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Speaker 1: say that it wasn't a state party. Normally we say

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Speaker 1: nothing at all, but we have a conflict of interest.

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00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 1: How we have an excellent reputation and strong interest in

728
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Speaker 1: protecting our sources, and so we're never saying anything about them,

729
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Speaker 1: never ruling anyone in or anyone out sometimes do it.

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Speaker 1: We don't like to do it. We have another interest,

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Speaker 1: which is maximizing the impact of our publications. Let me

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Speaker 1: ask you this that could you here here? In order

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Speaker 1: to order to prevent a distraction attack against our publications,

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Speaker 1: we've had to come out and say, no, it's not

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Speaker 1: a state party. Stop trying to distract in that way.

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Speaker 1: Pay attention to the content of the publication. So in

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Speaker 1: other words, when you say state party, wasn't another state

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Speaker 1: like Russia or or some other countries. Correct. Let me

739
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Speaker 1: ask you about were key leaks? And I think this

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Speaker 1: could shake up the political world? Is it true? An

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Speaker 1: email sent in July of this year that you have

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Speaker 1: that describes how funds could be diverted from the Clinton

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Speaker 1: campaign to the super packs of Jeb Bush, Carl Fierina,

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Speaker 1: and John Kasick specifically document number one oh seven eight

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Speaker 1: six four five and it reads j B C F

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Speaker 1: J K packs will be noticed noticeably silent for the

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Speaker 1: rest of the campaign. Each will receive a significant allowance

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Speaker 1: from advertising budget HRC. Hillary is in the loop and

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Speaker 1: talk to all three personally, eyes only. Is that a

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Speaker 1: legitimate I don't have that in front of me. We

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Speaker 1: have we have published nearly hundred thousand documents, So I

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Speaker 1: mean I have seen references to things like that. I

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Speaker 1: don't recall seeing an eyes only phrase. Do you recall

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Speaker 1: any quid pro quo as it relates to Senator Lindsey Graham,

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Speaker 1: that that he would get some assistance merely in other words,

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Speaker 1: when he ran for re election for the Senate? I

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Speaker 1: believe in I don't know de Graham is in the

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Speaker 1: Podesta emails. Yes, all right, well that's something that maybe

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Speaker 1: hopefully over time we'd be able to follow up on.

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Speaker 1: I have a I have so many more questions for you.

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Speaker 1: Let me let me ask you a couple of these. Um,

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Speaker 1: do you think the president knows as you do that

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Speaker 1: the source was not Russia for Wiki leaks? And I

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Speaker 1: think it's important to point out that for over ten years,

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Speaker 1: Wiki Leaks has never been proven wrong, not one single time.

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Speaker 1: Do you believe the president is purposefully advancing this for

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Speaker 1: political purposes to delegitimize Donald Trump? Do you it's clear?

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Speaker 1: It's clear too look at the statements by James Clapper.

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Speaker 1: He also made an earlier statement that, Um, the U. S.

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Speaker 1: Intelligence is not aware of when we received material or

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Speaker 1: how so it's pretty clear that, um, he must be

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Speaker 1: getting those briefings as well if the public is getting them. Um,

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Speaker 1: so there's a delivered attempt to conflate, but they see

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Speaker 1: some of the public is concerned. The only interesting that happened.

775
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Speaker 1: Thing that happened is that Wiki Leaks published a number

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Speaker 1: number of different types of nation the d n C publications,

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Speaker 1: John John Podestas and a variety of Clinton emails obtained

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Speaker 1: the Freedom Information Act. So that's what's interesting to the public.

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Speaker 1: By the way, it would not be the first time

780
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Speaker 1: the CIA was politicized. You might remember during the Benghazi case.

781
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Speaker 1: I actually spend time on this program talking to the

782
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Speaker 1: people that were there on the ground while the attack

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Speaker 1: was going on. The American people were told a very

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Speaker 1: different story that this was quote, a spontaneous demonstration related

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Speaker 1: to a YouTube video. And I just don't know many

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Speaker 1: demonstrations that are spontaneous where they happen to have in

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Speaker 1: their back pocket RPGs and mortar rounds which were fired

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Speaker 1: at the consulate and the compounds. That's false, uh, And

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Speaker 1: our publications show that Hillary Clinton knew it's false. There's

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Speaker 1: a letter from Hillary Clinton to Chelsea Clinton. Chelsea Quinton's

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Speaker 1: uses an assumed name, Diane Reynolds, and that's the day

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Speaker 1: or the day to day or the day after the attack,

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Speaker 1: where she says, in fact, it was well, my point

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Speaker 1: was group the c i A advanced that false story

795
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Speaker 1: that it was a spontaneous demonstration when we now know

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Speaker 1: it was a terrorist attack, and they advanced it through

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Speaker 1: the CIA and language Langley. There were some people there

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Speaker 1: that were playing politics at the CIA, advancing a false

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Speaker 1: narrative story that we know as false. All right, Julian,

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Speaker 1: if he can just stay right there, we'll come back.

801
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Speaker 1: We'll continue more with Julian Assange and his insight as

802
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Speaker 1: the founder and director of Wiki Leagues and more as

803
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:29,360
Speaker 1: the Sean Hannity Show continues. As we continue our interview

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Speaker 1: with Wiki League's founder and director Julian Osange, let me

805
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Speaker 1: ask you this. You never thought Donald Trump would win?

806
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Speaker 1: Why I didn't think he would win. I thought he

807
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Speaker 1: had a much higher chance than what the polling was giving.

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Speaker 1: I'd gone through Brixit, Uh, and it's very similar case

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Speaker 1: in Brixit where you had a new nationalist feeling in

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Speaker 1: the country and disenfranchisement with existing elites. Uh. But there

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Speaker 1: was polling number of professional pulses coming up to Brexit, AH,

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Speaker 1: and they got it wrong because people misled the pulses

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Speaker 1: in two different ways AH. And to be frank to pulse,

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Speaker 1: some of the pulsars also wanted to be misled. But

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Speaker 1: so those people who are going to vote against Brexit

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00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:23,759
Speaker 1: um um, so that they were going to vote for it,

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00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 1: and those people who are going to vote for it

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Speaker 1: said they're going to vote against it. The same thing happened,

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Speaker 1: it seems in the case of Donald Trump selection. So

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Speaker 1: why is that there was intense pressure in the United

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Speaker 1: States from the mainstream media to make people feel ashamed

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Speaker 1: of wanting to vote for Donald Trump and to make

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Speaker 1: them feel like that they had to vote for Hillary

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Speaker 1: Clinton even though they didn't want to. Actually, I think

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Speaker 1: it's this second case of of Hillary Clinton supporters falsely

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Speaker 1: tell polsters that they would vote for her and they're

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Speaker 1: not doing it. Um that made the difference in the election.

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Speaker 1: So I had assumed that these pollsters had seen the

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Speaker 1: Brexit situation and they'd taken that into account. They said

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Speaker 1: that they had taken it into account, and that was

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Speaker 1: not true. Now, very interestingly, I think that if the

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Speaker 1: polling had been accurate, donald Trump wouldn't have won. Interesting,

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Speaker 1: Now why do I say that, Well, Donald Hillary Clinton's

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Speaker 1: campaign outspent Donald Trump but almost two to one. If

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Speaker 1: the polling had been accurate, AH bankers and other cashed

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Speaker 1: up interests would have given Hillary Clinton another five billion

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Speaker 1: dollars and she would have blasted that and advertising everywhere.

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Speaker 1: But they didn't give her all that money because they

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Speaker 1: didn't perceive that there was a need to, because she

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Speaker 1: seemed that she was four or five points ahead in

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Speaker 1: the polls. So they got fooled by the polling and

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Speaker 1: therefore didn't spend the amount of money that they needed

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Speaker 1: to on the campaign and didn't recruit other resources to

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Speaker 1: recruit even more mainst media resources to beat up Trump

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Speaker 1: and to defend Quentin because they didn't think there was

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Speaker 1: a need to. Let me ask you, remember when the

847
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Speaker 1: New York Times was going full throttle with the story

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Speaker 1: about Donald Trump's taxes, which was stolen information at the time,

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Speaker 1: and and everybody in the media thought it was fair

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Speaker 1: and it was legitimate coverage, and they how they got

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Speaker 1: ahold of it was not an issue in any way.

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Speaker 1: You view yourself and you view wiki leaks the same way.

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Speaker 1: You view yourself as a journalist. Information came to you

854
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Speaker 1: and you disseminated that information because you felt the public

855
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:53,320
Speaker 1: had a right to know. What is the difference between

856
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 1: what you and wiki leaks have done versus what the

857
00:50:56,640 --> 00:51:00,720
Speaker 1: New York Times and CNN does when they published Donald

858
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 1: Trump's taxes that were that were received illegally or received

859
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:10,919
Speaker 1: There is a difference. Our stuff has more impact. Well,

860
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 1: that's okay, I kicked touche. I can't disagree with that

861
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 1: very good point. But but in other words, you do

862
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 1: view wiki leaks. One of the things in the in

863
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:25,359
Speaker 1: the conversations that I've had with you, both on radio

864
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 1: and TV, is how important it is for you to

865
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:33,360
Speaker 1: maintain a perfect record and not get anything wrong in

866
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 1: terms of the information that you acquire that you release.

867
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 1: You wanted to be right, and so far you've been

868
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 1: right every time. So I p abway have been right

869
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:45,759
Speaker 1: for since we were founded a decade ago. Yeah, it's

870
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:48,840
Speaker 1: a It's a very valuable thing to have a perfect record.

871
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 1: It's also a curse because we have to work so

872
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:54,879
Speaker 1: hard to keep it understood. And my big fear ten

873
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:56,920
Speaker 1: years ago, which you and I discussed the last time

874
00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 1: you were on my radio show when I wanted to

875
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:02,760
Speaker 1: arrest did, I said, because I felt you would release

876
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 1: potential information that would result in methods and people potentially dying.

877
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 1: Because there is so much in terms of covert operations,

878
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 1: people working undercover, you purposely choose not to publish that information. Correct. Well, yes,

879
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 1: if we're talking about Afghanistan, there were fifteen thousand documents

880
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 1: that we didn't didn't release because you thought people's lives

881
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 1: would be in jeopardy immediately, No, but we thought that

882
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 1: there was a reasonable possibility so that we wanted to

883
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 1: study the issue further. So we we didn't think that

884
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:43,399
Speaker 1: people's lives would definitely be in jeopardy, but we weren't sure,

885
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:45,920
Speaker 1: so we wanted to hold things back to we to

886
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 1: we understood it. Yeah, all right, I have a lot

887
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:50,759
Speaker 1: more questions for you. Let me let me ask you

888
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 1: a few of these, because I think this is very

889
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:57,720
Speaker 1: important for our audience to fully completely grasp and to understand. Um,

890
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:01,440
Speaker 1: so you only had three pages on on there, r

891
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 1: n c Um. Do you think the media in the

892
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:09,319
Speaker 1: US is trying to scapegoat you? And what message do

893
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:15,799
Speaker 1: you have for them? Um? Don't they're increasingly not very important.

894
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:21,320
Speaker 1: I think. I think Trump has even made this statement.

895
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:24,439
Speaker 1: And there are a paper tiger in this election, and

896
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:29,720
Speaker 1: the new publications on the internet one can get pretty

897
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:34,440
Speaker 1: directly to the people. So there's old press are less important,

898
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 1: and the degree of bias they've been showing during the

899
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:40,880
Speaker 1: electoral process. And it has come from both sides, but

900
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 1: I suppose particularly the liberal press, readers see that they

901
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:50,359
Speaker 1: feel it, they don't like being lectured to, are told

902
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:53,359
Speaker 1: what to do, and they rebel against it. I think

903
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:55,759
Speaker 1: this is the other reason why Trump won that no

904
00:53:55,800 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 1: one's speaking about, which is that kind of hectoring ah

905
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 1: from the liberal media in the United States, and the

906
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 1: type of advertising that Hillary Clinton was putting out really

907
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:09,920
Speaker 1: turns people off because it seemed like those people who

908
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:13,880
Speaker 1: already had a lot of social power. Uh, we're telling

909
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 1: you what to do, and so you wanted to do

910
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 1: the opposite. How easy from your assessment as somebody that

911
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:23,360
Speaker 1: has been involved that this most of his adult life. Now,

912
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:27,880
Speaker 1: how how secure? If you're get to give a grade

913
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 1: of one to ten, ten being the most secure? How

914
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:38,680
Speaker 1: secure is America's agencies, American government, America's secrets, Everything is

915
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:42,799
Speaker 1: almost completely insecure out the computer systems have become so

916
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 1: complex that it is not possible to understand all the parts, uh,

917
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:52,160
Speaker 1: let alone secure them. Is it is just impossible. So

918
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 1: and that goes for individuals as well as a government.

919
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:57,759
Speaker 1: It goes goes for all of us. Yeah. Yeah, Do

920
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:00,440
Speaker 1: you think there could be a separate operation within the

921
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 1: Russian government, separate and apart from the information you have

922
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:07,760
Speaker 1: at wiki leaks? Okay, So this is interesting that there's

923
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:12,360
Speaker 1: a there's a conflation between the three things. Wiki leaks

924
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 1: publications and I told you what James Clapper says about them,

925
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:20,440
Speaker 1: but they don't. I can't see how the Russians transferred

926
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:23,720
Speaker 1: them to US et cetera. That had the impact everyone's

927
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:28,800
Speaker 1: talking about alleged hacks of the US voting system. You

928
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 1: just mentioned the DHS for example, and other publications appearing

929
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:37,719
Speaker 1: on the internet that basically almost no one has heard of.

930
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:40,239
Speaker 1: They didn't have any impact in the election. In fact,

931
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 1: might have had the opposite impact. In this last category,

932
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:47,400
Speaker 1: there's a site called DC leaks and another and the

933
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:50,520
Speaker 1: word press site run by a guy calling himself goose

934
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:55,399
Speaker 1: Off two. Um, now, who were behind these We don't know?

935
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 1: Do you know these people? Uh? And there was a

936
00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:01,240
Speaker 1: couple of no and there was a couple of publications

937
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 1: also by The Hill and by Gorka Uh and the

938
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:11,640
Speaker 1: Smoking Gun that claimed that their documents came from I

939
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:16,439
Speaker 1: think from Goucifer maybe this DC Weeks. So those look

940
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:22,040
Speaker 1: very much like that they're the Russians, but in some

941
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:25,239
Speaker 1: ways they seem very amateur and that they look too

942
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:28,719
Speaker 1: much like it. And so this is what far from

943
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 1: me to quote John Bolton, I think it should be

944
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:34,359
Speaker 1: executed or something, but he has said correctly that if

945
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:37,600
Speaker 1: something looks so much like that is meant to be

946
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:41,080
Speaker 1: the Russians, then maybe someone wants you just think that's

947
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 1: that's such a good point. Let me ask you about

948
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:47,480
Speaker 1: the Chris Craig Murray, former British Ambassador to Uzbekistan, an

949
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:50,400
Speaker 1: associate of yours. He was quoted in The Daily Mail

950
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:53,800
Speaker 1: that he flew to Washington, d C. For the emails.

951
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 1: He claimed he had a clandestine handoff in a wooded

952
00:56:56,600 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 1: area near American University with one of the email sources

953
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:02,920
Speaker 1: and the leakers. Motivation was quote discussed at the corruption

954
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:05,800
Speaker 1: of the Clinton Foundation and the tilting of the primary

955
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:08,799
Speaker 1: election playing field against Bernie Sanders, and he said the

956
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:12,279
Speaker 1: source had legal access to the information. The documents came

957
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 1: from inside leaks, not from hacks. Yeah, we don't comment

958
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 1: on sourcing. Craig Murray is a former UK ambastor. He

959
00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:24,960
Speaker 1: is a friend of mine. Uh, he is not authorized

960
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:28,120
Speaker 1: to speak on behalf of you. Are you angry that

961
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:30,960
Speaker 1: he gave this interview? I just don't want to go

962
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 1: anywhere in either. Okay, that's fine, Um, But can I

963
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:36,920
Speaker 1: ask the question in a roundabout way without being annoying

964
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to be annoying here. Is it much

965
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:43,680
Speaker 1: more likely that would have happened versus the Russians? I

966
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:46,480
Speaker 1: don't want to be drawn on this. Okay, that's too.

967
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:50,120
Speaker 1: We have to protect our sources understuff. I can't be

968
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:52,680
Speaker 1: drawn on it. Okay, let me When were you first

969
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:55,960
Speaker 1: alerted that someone had hacked these documents of Podesta? That's

970
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 1: the interesting question. Uh, trying to cast my mind back.

971
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:04,080
Speaker 1: They took a while to prepare, and so did the

972
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 1: d n C leagues. So to other publications, it's quite

973
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 1: a lot of work verifying them, formatting them, indexing them,

974
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:14,360
Speaker 1: understanding them. Um. But for the same reason of making

975
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:18,440
Speaker 1: it hard for authorities to track when our sources have

976
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:21,920
Speaker 1: communicated with us. We don't like to mention precisely when

977
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 1: we've obtained things. So there really is no evidence at all,

978
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:27,480
Speaker 1: and everyone's saying that the Russians has done this. Let

979
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:29,000
Speaker 1: me ask you whether you mean you know in the

980
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:33,880
Speaker 1: Manning case, uh, was that a Russian attempt at undermining

981
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:37,400
Speaker 1: the Bush presidency with you know, war logs, giving Liberals

982
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:40,680
Speaker 1: what they needed to erode in terms of the GOP

983
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:44,120
Speaker 1: and support and paid maybe the way for Barack Obama

984
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:47,320
Speaker 1: to win an election. Well, we were such sticklers for

985
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:50,520
Speaker 1: this kind of thing. We've never said that, uh, Tilsey

986
00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:53,680
Speaker 1: Manning is one of our forces. At trial they have

987
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:57,520
Speaker 1: said that they are. But even if someone is arrested

988
00:58:57,640 --> 00:59:01,479
Speaker 1: and convicted, and even if they were guilty, we still

989
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:04,280
Speaker 1: don't say whether they're one of our sources or not.

990
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 1: Because someone INSI situation is under you can argue with

991
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:10,840
Speaker 1: under some kind of form of duress. Let me ask

992
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:13,600
Speaker 1: you one last question. For those especially in the media

993
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:16,600
Speaker 1: that will pick will pick up allegations at his trial

994
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:21,800
Speaker 1: that um that he was working for the Russians, let

995
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:26,600
Speaker 1: me ask you a question about your motivation, because in

996
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:29,920
Speaker 1: a private conversation we once had without divulging the nature

997
00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:33,040
Speaker 1: of that conversation. You said to me, I am a journalist.

998
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:36,560
Speaker 1: I I get information that you think the public needs

999
00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:38,920
Speaker 1: to know. You said to me, you have no interest

1000
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:42,840
Speaker 1: in information about private citizens, for example. That and that

1001
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:46,360
Speaker 1: you think what you have discovered exposes like for example,

1002
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:48,560
Speaker 1: I think if there were any good reporters in America,

1003
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:51,160
Speaker 1: they would have taken the Wiki leaks information that I

1004
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:53,160
Speaker 1: put up on a TV screen every night and I

1005
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:56,400
Speaker 1: read on my radio program on fifty stations every day,

1006
00:59:56,520 --> 00:59:58,760
Speaker 1: and they would have taken the issue of how corrupt

1007
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:02,200
Speaker 1: our media is, how corrupt the Clintons were, and they

1008
01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:03,840
Speaker 1: would have made this This would have been a case

1009
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:07,200
Speaker 1: bigger than Watergate. But for whatever reason, they've gone into

1010
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:09,880
Speaker 1: this mode where you're they don't claim you're a journalist,

1011
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:12,680
Speaker 1: that you're a trader, and that divulging this information was

1012
01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:15,680
Speaker 1: only political. But I do believe it. If it was

1013
01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:18,160
Speaker 1: a Republican they would have been praised, singing your praises

1014
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:20,120
Speaker 1: day and night. How do you what do you want

1015
01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:22,880
Speaker 1: Americans to know about what your motives are? Well? Wiki

1016
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:25,880
Speaker 1: Thinks has been going for ten years. We specialize in

1017
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:29,360
Speaker 1: obtaining information which has been suppressed from the public that

1018
01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:34,240
Speaker 1: is of political or historical importance, understanding it, analyzing it,

1019
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:37,680
Speaker 1: publishing it, protecting our sources, encouraging interaction with the public.

1020
01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:41,160
Speaker 1: H and that educates everyone and they can decide how

1021
01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:44,520
Speaker 1: they want to live their lives accordingly. And we've won

1022
01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:46,920
Speaker 1: a lot of awards for that, a lot of journalism awards.

1023
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:50,200
Speaker 1: I've won the equivalent of the Pull of Surprise in

1024
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:54,120
Speaker 1: my own country Australia, the Walkley Award. Sure other journalists

1025
01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:56,760
Speaker 1: have won the top journalism prize in the country three

1026
01:00:57,080 --> 01:00:59,920
Speaker 1: three times in the case of Kristin Prapson. So we're

1027
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:02,480
Speaker 1: pretty good at this. We have a perfect record. Now,

1028
01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:04,160
Speaker 1: I think you're pretty good. Have we have a pretty

1029
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:08,120
Speaker 1: big impact as you have seen. I think you had

1030
01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:11,240
Speaker 1: a huge impact on this election and it makes it

1031
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:14,200
Speaker 1: angers Democrats. Would you have published the same thing if

1032
01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:19,080
Speaker 1: it was about Donald Trump? Absolutely? Yeah, that And because

1033
01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:23,080
Speaker 1: you know, if Donald Trump UH makes a lot of

1034
01:01:23,160 --> 01:01:27,960
Speaker 1: enemies on on the inside UH in his time in office,

1035
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:30,160
Speaker 1: then he could he could well face the same thing

1036
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:31,920
Speaker 1: in four years time. By the way, that is the

1037
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:34,520
Speaker 1: best indication that this did not come from the Russians.

1038
01:01:34,560 --> 01:01:36,880
Speaker 1: I don't think you meant to say that, but listen, Julian,

1039
01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:39,000
Speaker 1: I do appreciate your time. I do think you had

1040
01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:41,040
Speaker 1: an impact. But I do think you we got to

1041
01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:45,480
Speaker 1: see a glimpse of how corrupt the nature the institutions

1042
01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:48,600
Speaker 1: of American government and our political system are. It's actually

1043
01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:52,080
Speaker 1: frightening to me. It is. It is frightening, I think.

1044
01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:56,240
Speaker 1: I mean, I love our publications. They're so rich, and

1045
01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:58,440
Speaker 1: you can get a very direct understanding of the power

1046
01:01:58,440 --> 01:02:01,400
Speaker 1: networks that exists in d C and with the media

1047
01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:04,160
Speaker 1: and so on. At the same time, yes, they're they're

1048
01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:06,920
Speaker 1: disturbing that once you know what's going on, then you

1049
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:09,280
Speaker 1: can do something about it. And that was my argument

1050
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:11,280
Speaker 1: about why I think America owes you a debt of

1051
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:14,720
Speaker 1: gratitude for that and for the exposing exposing that we

1052
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:17,080
Speaker 1: have no cybersecurity. Julian, I've taken way too much of

1053
01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:18,640
Speaker 1: your time. Thank you so much for being with us.

1054
01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:20,439
Speaker 1: We really appreciate it. We hope you'll come on TV.

1055
01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:24,120
Speaker 1: So thanks. I think it's important to note that on

1056
01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:27,200
Speaker 1: election night, and we we had our guard up for this,

1057
01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:31,040
Speaker 1: in our our cyber experts at DHS had we had

1058
01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:34,600
Speaker 1: our crisis action team ready. Um on election night, we

1059
01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:39,160
Speaker 1: did not see anything that amounted to altering ballot counts

1060
01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:43,200
Speaker 1: or or degrading the ability to report election results or anything.

1061
01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:45,400
Speaker 1: Nothing out of the ordinary, And there's always a certain

1062
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:48,120
Speaker 1: amount of noise that goes on out there, um and

1063
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:50,840
Speaker 1: so on election night itself, we did not see anything

1064
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:54,320
Speaker 1: that affected the ballot count. So I should ask in

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Speaker 1: in that context whether you can assure the country based

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Speaker 1: on what you saw that night in your analysis, since

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Speaker 1: that Russian hacking did not affect the outcome of the election,

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Speaker 1: are you confident of that? Well, we see no evidence

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Speaker 1: that hacking by any actor altered the ballot count or

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Speaker 1: any cyber actions that deprived people of voting. Now, what's

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Speaker 1: also true, and this goes to something that we've discussed

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Speaker 1: in the in the briefing on Monday. There's ample evidence

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Speaker 1: that was known long before the election, and even in

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Speaker 1: most cases long before October about the Trump campaign in Russia,

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Speaker 1: everything from the Republican nominee himself calling on Russia to

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Speaker 1: hack his opponent. It might be an indication that he

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Speaker 1: was obviously aware and concluded, based on whatever facts or

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Speaker 1: sources he was he had available to him, that Russia

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Speaker 1: was involved and their involvement was having a negative impact

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Speaker 1: on his opponent's campaign. That's why he was encouraging them

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Speaker 1: to keep doing it. Trevor, I think what everybody has

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Speaker 1: to reflect on is what is it about our political ecosystem?

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Speaker 1: What is it about the state of our democracy? Where

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Speaker 1: the leaks of what we're frankly not very interesting emails

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Speaker 1: that didn't have any explosive information in them, the result

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Speaker 1: was interesting ended up being an obsession and the fact

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Speaker 1: that the Russians were doing this was not an obsession,

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Speaker 1: This was not a secret. Running up to the election,

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Speaker 1: the President elect in UH in some of his political

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Speaker 1: events specifically said two, the Russians heck Hillary's emails so

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Speaker 1: that we can finally find out what's going on, and there,

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Speaker 1: you know, confirm our conspiracy theories. You had UH what

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Speaker 1: was very clear UH relationships between UH, members of the

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Speaker 1: president Alex campaign team and Russians and a professed UH

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Speaker 1: shared view on a bunch of issues. All right, there

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Speaker 1: you have follow up to our hour long interview in

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Speaker 1: the last hour with Julian Assange of Wiki Leaks joining

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Speaker 1: us now to discuss Rich Higgins, vice President Intelligence National

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Speaker 1: Security Program's former manager with the Department of Defense, Combating

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Speaker 1: Terrorism Technical Support Office and Irregular Warfare Support Program. Philip

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Speaker 1: Painey is a founding member of the Department of Homeland

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Speaker 1: Security and author of the books See Something, Say Nothing.

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Speaker 1: John Idonasi is the founder and CEO of vis Sense,

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Speaker 1: a computer scientist, former Navy seal who invented new capabilities

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Speaker 1: and Special Ops Community and Central intell for the Special

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Speaker 1: Ops community and Central Intelligence Agency. Guys, I'll start with you,

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Speaker 1: Rich Higgins, I mean, Julian Assange. Cannot be any more clear.

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Speaker 1: Russia did not do this. They do have a tenure track,

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Speaker 1: could of not getting anything wrong. Nobody has disputed the

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Speaker 1: information that they released. Um And then when I asked

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Speaker 1: Julian about Craig Murray, the former British Ambassador to Uzbekistan,

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Speaker 1: an associate of his, and what he told The Daily

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Speaker 1: Mail that he claimed he had a clandestine handoff in

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Speaker 1: a wooded area near American University with one of the

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Speaker 1: email sources. That the leaker's motivation was the disgust at

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Speaker 1: the corruption of the Clinton Foundation and tilting the primary

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Speaker 1: election against Bernie Sanders Uh, and that the source had

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Speaker 1: legal access to the information. I'm more inclined to believe

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Speaker 1: that story than anything that Obama, Hillary Podesta, the Democratic

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Speaker 1: Party is trying to feed us. Uh, and the CIA,

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Speaker 1: which we know is politicized issues in the past, especially

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Speaker 1: involving defending Hillary on Benghazi. Your thoughts, Sean in one

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Speaker 1: fell sloop. We've seen as as this administration has on

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Speaker 1: their way out the door, polluted Department of Poland Security,

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Speaker 1: polluted the Central Intelligence Agency, the legitimized the election. The

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Speaker 1: person with the most clear ties to the Russians that

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Speaker 1: I know about is actually John Podesta. And this is

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Speaker 1: a case of the pot calling the kettle black. I

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Speaker 1: don't know it is. Um. Nobody still knows what happened

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Speaker 1: to the d n C staff or murdered a couple

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Speaker 1: of months ago. So so you're talking about this guy Seth, right,

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Speaker 1: do you think that's Do you think that there is

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Speaker 1: a connection there? I have to tell you so, I

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Speaker 1: have no proof of that, but I mean we we

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Speaker 1: really given the Assoni statements, given the content of the information,

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Speaker 1: given Assangea's statements, to the legality of their uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: the person who actually had the access to the documents.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's a there's a lot of stuff there

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Speaker 1: that makes me question, what's happening. Unbelievable. Philip, what's your

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Speaker 1: take on this, especially the track record of Wiki Leaks.

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Speaker 1: The track record is of Assange the clandestine handoff drop off,

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Speaker 1: which she did not want to discuss in any way

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Speaker 1: and says it was an unauthorized interview. Who do you

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Speaker 1: tend to believe here? And do you think that the

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Speaker 1: CIA may be playing politics because there's no new information

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Speaker 1: since the campaign, no new information that this is all

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Speaker 1: stuff they had before the election that we were all

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Speaker 1: aware of. Both the FBI and the Director of National

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Speaker 1: Intelligence James Clapper all say that they do not believe

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Speaker 1: that there is not evidence that there's a Wiki leaks

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Speaker 1: connection with Russia and the Russian hacking. Well, hello everyone,

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Speaker 1: Hello Sewn For me, this is deja vu all over again,

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01:08:21,960 --> 01:08:24,880
Speaker 1: just leading to listening to the lead up interviews before

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Speaker 1: we started. These are the same individuals that shut down

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Speaker 1: cases that I worked on within the Department of Homeland

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Speaker 1: Security and Reading Secretary of State Brian Kemp's comments about

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Speaker 1: his inquiries into the hacking of the Georgia election computer,

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Speaker 1: he wrote that since contacking DHS with these concerns, we

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Speaker 1: have collaborated with the agency and provided extensive additional information,

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Speaker 1: and then j Johnson's response was not specific as to

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Speaker 1: the attacks intent or origin, despite the fact that many

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Speaker 1: questions remain unanswered. That sounds like a Hollywood scriptwriter for

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Speaker 1: what I went through. That's exactly the way they dealt

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Speaker 1: with me. Every time I brought up a concern about

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Speaker 1: national security. They would never answer the question directly. And

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Speaker 1: now we see it on a macro big screens scale.

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Speaker 1: And I also find it remarkable that for the first

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Speaker 1: time ever, I actually agreed with James Clapper that he

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Speaker 1: said there was no evidence that the Russians hacked the

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Speaker 1: campaign so in favor of Donald Trump. Because even are

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Speaker 1: as Rich alluded to, our entire intelligence infrastructure has been

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Speaker 1: has been corrupted and politically politicized so badly that our

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01:09:38,040 --> 01:09:40,840
Speaker 1: right hand doesn't know what our left hand is doing. Well,

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Speaker 1: that is a perfect example of it. Yeah, right, I

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Speaker 1: thought after nine eleven, and you know, because you were

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Speaker 1: one of the founding members of the Department of Homeland Security,

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Speaker 1: I thought one of the things that we were going

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Speaker 1: to fix was our intelligence agencies communicating with each of us.

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Speaker 1: And you know, my argument is, we know the CIA

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Speaker 1: politicized the issue of Benghazi and and the false story

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01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:05,479
Speaker 1: of a spontaneous attack. We know that they purposely never

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01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:08,120
Speaker 1: talked to people on the ground that had information that

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01:10:08,160 --> 01:10:10,759
Speaker 1: would be critical when they were editing the talking points,

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Speaker 1: but they went with the political narrative that this was

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Speaker 1: a spontaneous demonstration that was inspired by a YouTube video

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Speaker 1: and the people that were demonstrating just happened to have

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Speaker 1: mortars and RPGs in their back pocket, which is totally, incompletely, assinine,

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Speaker 1: impossible and insane. Sure, it is especially in light of

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Speaker 1: what came out afterwards from the Defense Intelligence Agency's own

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Speaker 1: report that was concluded in August of that said that

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Speaker 1: the administration was shipping weapons from ben Ghazi to over

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Speaker 1: to Syria and backing the opposition groups which then morphed

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Speaker 1: into ISIS. And even though that information has been publicly

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Speaker 1: available for some time now, this administration just cheaps incessant,

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Speaker 1: incessantly repeating the same false mantra. It's a perfect example

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Speaker 1: of the misty disinformation campaign. We know what the truth is,

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Speaker 1: and yet they keep insisting that that's not what happened.

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Speaker 1: It's really quite remarkable. Well it's not, but when you

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Speaker 1: look at it through a political prism, though Phil and

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Speaker 1: I know you have to. You're such an innocent guy,

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Speaker 1: and you know, I know that you'd like to believe

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01:11:16,360 --> 01:11:18,479
Speaker 1: the best in people. But in looking at it, viewing

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01:11:18,520 --> 01:11:20,800
Speaker 1: it through a political prism, and you say, well, do

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Speaker 1: they want to delegitimize Donald Trump and his election? Then

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Speaker 1: then it begins to make a lot of sense, doesn't it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: from a Machiavellian perspective, it's brilliant tactics. Machiavellian one oh one, absolutely, yes, right,

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Speaker 1: absolutely right down the line. Let me let me bring

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Speaker 1: in if I can for a second here, John Um,

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Speaker 1: what about this was interesting to me? And I did

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Speaker 1: ask I did ask Julian about this. The Georgias Secretary

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Speaker 1: of State, the State of Georgia confirmed ten separate cyber

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Speaker 1: attacks traced back to the U. S. Department of Homeland

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Speaker 1: Security addresses. When you couple that with the Wiki leaks

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Speaker 1: Craig Murray, guy who Julian did not want to talk about,

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Speaker 1: who says he was not authorized to talk, and this

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Speaker 1: handoff in the wooded area of the information that they

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Speaker 1: got from Podesta and it was all obtained legally. Do

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Speaker 1: you see any connection between these two at all? Or no?

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Speaker 1: I see I see connection in the trade craft and

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Speaker 1: let me just say thanks for having me on. We're

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Speaker 1: entering a whole new realm here, and it's a it's

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Speaker 1: a perfect storm where an individual can yield strategic power

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Speaker 1: through an Internet connection. And relative to the Georgia website attack,

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Speaker 1: it's very important understand unlike the other things that have

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Speaker 1: occurred in history and where news can sort of embellish

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Speaker 1: it unless your boots on the ground. This forensics associated

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Speaker 1: with every one of these attacks. They're digital forensics. Ten

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Speaker 1: separate attacks all originated from the same i P address

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Speaker 1: for all the listeners, let me just unpack what that means.

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Speaker 1: That means ten separate times all of the i P,

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Speaker 1: which is you know, think of it as a as

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Speaker 1: a post office box, all pointed to the same post

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Speaker 1: office box inside DHS, which is a static registration, which

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Speaker 1: means that is the home base for DHS Internet activity.

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Speaker 1: The only way for that to occur is somebody is

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Speaker 1: either spoofing the internet d h S I P address,

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Speaker 1: which means that DHS has now been hacked and it's unlikely,

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Speaker 1: or two, somebody inside DHS has proven the Georgia website

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Speaker 1: so vise forensic Sean are becoming increasingly important as part

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Speaker 1: of the narrative, and that's what we're missing in the

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Speaker 1: Secretary of State Camp isn't even able to get a clear,

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Speaker 1: coherent answer from the very institutions that you and I

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Speaker 1: rely on to protect our electrical grid. Wow, pretty powerful stuff.

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Speaker 1: How did you want to weigh in on that, Rich

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Speaker 1: and and more specifically, how is it how is it

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Speaker 1: possible that they're advancing this false narrative, the CIA, that

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Speaker 1: contradicts the FBI, that contradicts the Director of National Intelligence

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Speaker 1: that the media is running with. I mean, Julian Assans

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Speaker 1: just said, no, we only have three pages on the RNC.

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Speaker 1: We don't we didn't hack into them, and it really

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Speaker 1: wasn't relevant exactly what the FBI told Ryan's previous and

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Speaker 1: exactly what Ryan's previous told NBC that NBC refused to accept. Well,

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Speaker 1: I think yesterday, when you know the Congressman had asked

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Speaker 1: to be briefed by the intelligence community on what they

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Speaker 1: actually know, the intelligence agencies refused to do it. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that is a direct assault against the sovereign power of

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Speaker 1: Congress enumerated in the Constitution. And the thing that really

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Speaker 1: screens out to me is if this is a DHS

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Speaker 1: probe of a state voter registration role, for example, or

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Speaker 1: the identification of voters or seeing how you voted, and

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Speaker 1: we're having states rights sovereignty issues here, we have information

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Speaker 1: warfare issues with the narrative adherents. May I've got to say,

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Speaker 1: Congressman Pompeo and General Kelly have a lot of work

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Speaker 1: to do, a lot of work to do. What would

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Speaker 1: you advise them to do in what order? Well, right

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Speaker 1: off the top, I would say they need to prioritize

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Speaker 1: cyber for all the reasons Bill and John have enumerated here.

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Speaker 1: Um terrorist group, nation state actors, domestic political opponents are

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Speaker 1: all playing inside of this space, and we need to

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Speaker 1: take it seriously. I think for fifteen twenty years now

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Speaker 1: we've been nibbling around the edges on how serious a

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Speaker 1: threat this actually is. But this is a very signal,

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Speaker 1: difficant domain of security on both domestic and foreign policy

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Speaker 1: or impacted by it, and we need to make an

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Speaker 1: appropriate level of investment institutionally in dealing with it. Now, Rich,

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Phil Handy, let me ask you, Uh, we

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Speaker 1: had a thousand Muslims marching in Great Britain last night,

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Speaker 1: and they want the Caliphate advance there. And I want

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Speaker 1: to ask you, through the prism of everything that you

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Speaker 1: knew and all your hard work of accumulating names that

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Speaker 1: was deleted under the Obama administration, you know, how do

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Speaker 1: we build this back up? And have you been contacted

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Speaker 1: by anybody in the Trump transition team to go to

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Speaker 1: work for them, of any of you. Yes, we're having

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Speaker 1: background conversations and which are good indicators. What I'm looking

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Speaker 1: for is restoration of our capacity to do the job

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Speaker 1: that we took an oath to do. I have said publicly,

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Speaker 1: literally hundreds of times in the last few months as

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Speaker 1: I've traveled around the country that just let us do

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Speaker 1: our job and we can we can do it. We're

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Speaker 1: capable and restore the information. And also to see, by

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Speaker 1: the way, the creation of a Whistleblower Commission, to create

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Speaker 1: a safe pathway for individuals to come in and literally

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01:16:07,680 --> 01:16:10,639
Speaker 1: lay information on the table in front of a panel

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Speaker 1: of experts and let us go through it, categorize it,

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Speaker 1: prioritize it, an archive it because it's very important. These

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Speaker 1: guys whistleblowers are forward artillery observers and they can call

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Speaker 1: in precise air strikes because they know exactly where the

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Speaker 1: targets are. And this information is historical, it's part of

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Speaker 1: the country's history and it needs to be archived. That's

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Speaker 1: one of the things I'd like to see. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm willing to sign me up. We have had conversations

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01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:41,800
Speaker 1: and all of this stuff is very predictable, meaning the

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Speaker 1: marches in the UK, the fact that now they found

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Speaker 1: out that the guy from the most recent attack in

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Speaker 1: Ohio had not been correctly bad. It's these kind of

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01:16:51,160 --> 01:16:54,360
Speaker 1: things just keep going on over and over and over again.

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01:16:54,479 --> 01:16:56,680
Speaker 1: It could have been in the information that Obama a

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Speaker 1: race that you would accumulated since founding the Department of

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01:16:59,600 --> 01:17:02,880
Speaker 1: Homeland Security. But I hope you worked for the Trump administration. Rich,

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01:17:02,920 --> 01:17:04,880
Speaker 1: I hope you get there. And John, I'm just getting

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01:17:04,920 --> 01:17:06,479
Speaker 1: to know you. But you sound like a guy that

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01:17:06,520 --> 01:17:08,200
Speaker 1: they could use to thank you all for being one

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01:17:08,200 --> 01:17:11,679
Speaker 1: of the welcome than the last person, the last person

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01:17:11,720 --> 01:17:13,680
Speaker 1: anyone would need is me. Who the hell needs me?

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01:17:13,800 --> 01:17:16,320
Speaker 1: What do I know? Uh? What a fascinating day this

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01:17:16,360 --> 01:17:19,360
Speaker 1: has been. U It's just amazing. Republican members of the

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Speaker 1: Electoral College, this message is for you, as you know,

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01:17:22,920 --> 01:17:26,479
Speaker 1: our founding fathers built the Electoral College to safeguard the

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Speaker 1: American people from the dangers of a demagogue and to

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Speaker 1: ensure that the presidency only goes to someone who is

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Speaker 1: to an eminent degree, endowed with the requisite qualifications an

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01:17:37,960 --> 01:17:42,280
Speaker 1: eminent degree someone who is highly qualified for the job.

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Speaker 1: The Electoral College was created specifically to prevent an unfit

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Speaker 1: candidate from becoming president. There are five hundred and thirty

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Speaker 1: eight members of the Electoral College. You and just thirty

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01:17:54,320 --> 01:17:57,800
Speaker 1: six other conscientious Republican electors can make a difference by

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Speaker 1: voting your conscience on December nine, te and thereby shaping

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Speaker 1: the future of our nation. I'm not asking you to

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Speaker 1: vote for Hillary Clinton. I'm not asking you to vote

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01:18:07,640 --> 01:18:09,840
Speaker 1: for Hillary Clinton. I'm not asking you to vote for

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Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton. As you know, the Constitution gives electors the

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01:18:13,000 --> 01:18:16,360
Speaker 1: right to vote for any eligible person, any eligible person,

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Speaker 1: no matter which party they belong to. But it should

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01:18:18,800 --> 01:18:23,760
Speaker 1: certainly be someone you consider especially competent, especially competent to

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Speaker 1: serve as President of the United States of America. By

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01:18:27,920 --> 01:18:32,880
Speaker 1: voting your conscience, you and other brave Republican electors can

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Speaker 1: give the House of Representatives the option to select a

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01:18:36,120 --> 01:18:41,360
Speaker 1: qualified candidate for the presidency. I stand with you. I

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01:18:41,439 --> 01:18:44,880
Speaker 1: stand with you. I stand with you. I stand with

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01:18:44,920 --> 01:18:49,040
Speaker 1: you in support and solidarity with Conservatives, independents, and liberals

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01:18:49,240 --> 01:18:52,679
Speaker 1: and all citizens of the United States. The American people

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01:18:52,760 --> 01:18:55,240
Speaker 1: trust that your voice speaks for us all, and that

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01:18:55,280 --> 01:18:59,040
Speaker 1: you you will make yourself heard through the constitutional responsibility

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01:18:59,040 --> 01:19:03,559
Speaker 1: granted to you by Alexander Hamilton himself. What is evident

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01:19:03,880 --> 01:19:06,720
Speaker 1: is that Donald Trump lacks more than the qualifications to

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01:19:06,840 --> 01:19:11,240
Speaker 1: be president. He lacks the necessary stability and clearly the

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01:19:11,320 --> 01:19:16,320
Speaker 1: respect for the constitution of our great nation. You have position,

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01:19:16,800 --> 01:19:19,479
Speaker 1: the authority and the opportunity to go down in the

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Speaker 1: books as an American hero who changed the course of history.

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Speaker 1: And you have my respect. You have my respect. You

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01:19:27,000 --> 01:19:30,640
Speaker 1: have my respect for your patriotism and service to the

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01:19:30,680 --> 01:19:38,560
Speaker 1: American people. Unite for America, Ladies and gentlemen, this is

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01:19:38,680 --> 01:19:41,720
Speaker 1: your captain speaking. Welcome aboard Trump FL sixteen hundred with

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01:19:41,760 --> 01:19:44,439
Speaker 1: NonStop service to Canada. We'd like to welcome all our

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01:19:44,520 --> 01:19:47,360
Speaker 1: celebrity defectors, and we'll get you out of America just

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01:19:47,400 --> 01:19:49,720
Speaker 1: as soon as the tower clears. As for takeoff, go

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01:19:49,800 --> 01:19:52,519
Speaker 1: once we reach out prouising altitude flight attendance will pass

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01:19:52,560 --> 01:19:55,759
Speaker 1: through the cabin, collecting your U S Citizenship renouncement forms

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Speaker 1: and serving complimentary beverages and disposable crying towels. And once

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01:19:59,680 --> 01:20:02,000
Speaker 1: he read the drop shone, you'll be gutting Jenny exit

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01:20:02,080 --> 01:20:03,840
Speaker 1: rampant the rear of the plane, where he'll take a

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01:20:03,920 --> 01:20:06,799
Speaker 1: drash course on parachute folding and be Jennison. And surely

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Speaker 1: thereafter we'd like to thank you for choosing Trump Airline

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01:20:09,880 --> 01:20:14,760
Speaker 1: and hope you have a soft landing, Buffy. Just last

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Speaker 1: week he confirmed the National Review that he's again considering

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Speaker 1: a run in twos sixteen. Who Donald brought you account?

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01:20:27,479 --> 01:20:30,960
Speaker 1: Plime check? Now on the half of this country which

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Speaker 1: does not want you to be president, which broadly won't

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Speaker 1: you to run. Donald Trump has been saying that he

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Speaker 1: will run for president as a Republican, which is surprising

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Speaker 1: since I just assumed he was running as a joke.

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01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:46,479
Speaker 1: That people think that Donald Trump is a clown. Donald

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump is a clown, And I mean, does anybody

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Speaker 1: seriously think that Donald Trump is serious about running for president?

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01:20:52,600 --> 01:20:56,800
Speaker 1: Donald Trump, you he's a clown. Which Republican candidate has

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Speaker 1: the best champce of winning the general election of the

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Speaker 1: declared ones. Right now, Donald Trump, president Obama will go

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Speaker 1: down as perhaps the worst president in the history of

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Speaker 1: the United States. Exclamation point at real Donald Trump, at

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01:21:21,360 --> 01:21:25,000
Speaker 1: real Donald Trump. At least I will go down as

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01:21:25,080 --> 01:21:31,559
Speaker 1: a president's Basically, this is the beginning of the end

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01:21:31,600 --> 01:21:33,639
Speaker 1: for Trump, at the beginning of the end. The beginning

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01:21:33,640 --> 01:21:35,720
Speaker 1: of the end is probably starting of the beginning of

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Speaker 1: the end for for Donald Trump. Donald, You're not gonna

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01:21:39,120 --> 01:21:41,680
Speaker 1: be able to insult your way to the presidency. The

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Speaker 1: strongest person usually isn't the loudest one in the room.

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01:21:46,320 --> 01:21:48,519
Speaker 1: So right now we have Hillary is about seventy five

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Speaker 1: or favorite. We have different persons. Hillary up by doubling

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Speaker 1: digits nationally, twelve points, four way race, Clon leading in Florida,

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Speaker 1: Culton leading in North Carolina, Clinton leading Ohio, but the

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Speaker 1: leading in Nevada. I could go on and on and on. Uh.

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Speaker 1: I continue to believe Mr Trump, Trump will not be president.

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Speaker 1: And so right now, Mr Trump, to answer your call

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01:22:11,880 --> 01:22:15,360
Speaker 1: for political honesty, I just want to say, you're not

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Speaker 1: going to be president. All right. It's been fun, it's

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Speaker 1: been great. I love you, but come on, come on, bunny,

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01:22:28,120 --> 01:22:31,080
Speaker 1: we are a major projection right now, Donald Trump will

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Speaker 1: take OHI projects Donald Trump will carry the state of Florida,

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Speaker 1: US win for Donald Trumpell Donald Trump, while we project

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Speaker 1: will win in Kentucky, with in Indiana with its eleven

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Speaker 1: electoral roads, West Virginia, Coloda, Tennessee, Mississippi, South Carolina, Alabama,

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Speaker 1: North Dakota out of its three electoral votes, and South

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Speaker 1: dakomaa Texas record song, Louisia, the state of Montana, North Carolina, Georgia, Utah, Wisconsin, Arizona,

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Speaker 1: Kansas six electoral votes, Nebraska and it's five electoral votes

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01:23:08,400 --> 01:23:12,839
Speaker 1: and with its three votes. Sorry to keep you waiting,

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01:23:12,960 --> 01:23:15,720
Speaker 1: complicated business. A lot of people have laughed at me

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Speaker 1: over the years. Now they're not laughing so much. I'll

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Speaker 1: tell you all right, tell you have it. I think

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Speaker 1: the funniest part of this is a group of these

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Speaker 1: Hollywood celebrities. Not that was so powerful. I mean, what

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Speaker 1: did Hillary Clinton do at the end of the campaign.

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Speaker 1: She brought in Beyonce and who's she married to again?

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Speaker 1: What's that guy's name? Jay Z? Cursing, dropping f bombs

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01:23:33,840 --> 01:23:37,840
Speaker 1: and bombs every bomb possible, and that didn't work. Then

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Speaker 1: bon Jovi and Bruce Springsteen. That didn't work. Let's bring in,

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01:23:42,120 --> 01:23:46,080
Speaker 1: you know, people one step out of the Hollywood, you know,

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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame, which is like people like Martin she Anyway,

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01:23:49,640 --> 01:23:53,080
Speaker 1: they're trying now to encourage electors in the Electoral College

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Speaker 1: to disregard their stage voting results and deny Trump the president.

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01:23:57,360 --> 01:23:59,680
Speaker 1: We're not telling you to vote for Hillary anybody, but

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Speaker 1: anybody but him. Well, that's what elections are about. That's

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Speaker 1: what the American people decided, and that's what's going to happen.

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Speaker 1: I don't even know half of these people. I never messing.

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01:24:08,160 --> 01:24:10,600
Speaker 1: I guess I know Richard Shift, you know who B. D.

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Speaker 1: Wong is. I have no idea who these people are. Anyway,

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01:24:13,479 --> 01:24:16,120
Speaker 1: they don't want Trump to reach the magic number of

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Speaker 1: two seventy, and so they're trying to encourage, basically a

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Speaker 1: coup de talk. They prefer the United States not be

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Speaker 1: a democratic republic. They want a dictatorship and they want

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01:24:26,439 --> 01:24:29,240
Speaker 1: to be able to decide and they want electors. Well,

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01:24:29,280 --> 01:24:31,400
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, it's not gonna happen anyway.

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Speaker 1: But with that said, you know the fact that they

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Speaker 1: want to. So it's cry baby sore losers. I've never

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01:24:37,439 --> 01:24:40,080
Speaker 1: seen it in my life like this, and the very

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Speaker 1: thing they all lectured Jnald Trump should never do. All right,

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Speaker 1: let's go to Shelly is in Nashville, Tennessee w l

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Speaker 1: a C. What's up, Shelly. How are you hi, Shelly?

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Speaker 1: I'm Shelly. Hi. Uh. I'm very excited to talk to her.

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01:24:54,560 --> 01:24:58,360
Speaker 1: I loved listening to Julian Osan talking um. I loved

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01:24:58,400 --> 01:25:00,880
Speaker 1: what he had to say. One of the things that

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Speaker 1: bothered me most about the last couple of days is

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01:25:04,240 --> 01:25:07,639
Speaker 1: how everyone's been talking about how Russia may have hacked

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01:25:07,720 --> 01:25:10,840
Speaker 1: and then turned this information over with the intent to

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01:25:11,000 --> 01:25:14,519
Speaker 1: change the election. And yet the emails that no one

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01:25:14,640 --> 01:25:20,160
Speaker 1: is disputing show that our own media was intentionally trying

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01:25:20,200 --> 01:25:24,799
Speaker 1: to to change this election, and that's just considered normative.

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01:25:25,000 --> 01:25:30,080
Speaker 1: They were intentionally handing um questions to Hillary early. They were,

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01:25:30,439 --> 01:25:33,200
Speaker 1: you know that the fact that Russia might have had

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01:25:33,240 --> 01:25:36,280
Speaker 1: a hand in it, but our own media did, and

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01:25:36,320 --> 01:25:39,760
Speaker 1: that's okay. That just bothers me. Look, it should bother

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01:25:39,840 --> 01:25:42,160
Speaker 1: you because the very thing they're acting all upset about

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01:25:42,280 --> 01:25:45,320
Speaker 1: is the very thing they were actively involved in. You know,

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01:25:45,400 --> 01:25:47,439
Speaker 1: that was part of my opening monologue the other night

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01:25:47,439 --> 01:25:49,719
Speaker 1: on TV and saying Oh, now, all of a sudden,

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01:25:49,760 --> 01:25:53,080
Speaker 1: Wiki leagues matters. All of a sudden, now hacking matters.

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01:25:53,520 --> 01:25:59,600
Speaker 1: Never mind that certainty exists that five foreign intelligence agencies

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01:25:59,680 --> 01:26:02,720
Speaker 1: have all of Hillary Clinton's emails, which would have made

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01:26:02,720 --> 01:26:05,920
Speaker 1: her compromised or would have compromised her from day one,

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01:26:06,200 --> 01:26:08,479
Speaker 1: and it didn't matter that. I mean, we've known about

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Speaker 1: wiki leaks over ten years now, over ten years. And

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01:26:11,880 --> 01:26:14,120
Speaker 1: if they really cared, why didn't they stop it? Now?

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01:26:14,320 --> 01:26:17,160
Speaker 1: If the information didn't change, why did Obama say everything

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01:26:17,320 --> 01:26:20,439
Speaker 1: was fine, We couldn't nobody could impact our system even

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01:26:20,439 --> 01:26:23,240
Speaker 1: if they wanted to. Well, why, why all of a

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01:26:23,240 --> 01:26:26,559
Speaker 1: sudden the change when there's no new information except that

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01:26:26,560 --> 01:26:29,479
Speaker 1: this is all political and this is all an effort

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01:26:29,520 --> 01:26:34,559
Speaker 1: to delegitimize Donald Trump and his victory. And as I've

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01:26:34,560 --> 01:26:37,320
Speaker 1: been saying, they're gonna spend the next number of months

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01:26:37,320 --> 01:26:41,720
Speaker 1: and years trying to destroy this man. I've watched this

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Speaker 1: happened before I was there, when new King king Ridge

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Speaker 1: was elected Speaker of the House. I watched how in

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Speaker 1: five years within within minutes after winning, remember one, in

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Speaker 1: November of By December he was the ging Ridge that

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Speaker 1: stole Christmas. On the front cover of News week in time,

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Speaker 1: taking poor time Tim's crutch and breaking it. I mean,

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Speaker 1: so it's it's this is this is basically, you know,

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01:27:05,560 --> 01:27:09,360
Speaker 1: standard operating procedure for Democrats. Just like every election Republicans

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Speaker 1: a racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, islamophobic, blah blah blah, same thing.

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Speaker 1: It's a Republican wins. They try and tear him down

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Speaker 1: limb from limb, and I think in the case of Trump,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be the media establishment, the democratic establishment, and

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Speaker 1: at some point down the line, the Republican establishment will

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Speaker 1: all will all pound on him and try and take

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Speaker 1: him down. That's it. The hell with what the people think.

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Speaker 1: Natalie is in California next on the Sean Hannity Show.

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Speaker 1: What's Up, Natalie? How are you? Um? Kind of along

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Speaker 1: the same lines. I've had a lot of people come

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Speaker 1: up to me and just discuss um their concerns that Hillary.

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Speaker 1: By the way, is this Natalie the one that I

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Speaker 1: know on Twitter? Natalie friend of the Friddle? Oh boy?

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Speaker 1: How are you? Did you fix your school problem? Um? Yes,

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't use those words, but it's gonna be okay, yes, okay,

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Speaker 1: So what's your question? Okay? Thanks? Um, I've had a

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Speaker 1: lot of people come up to me um actually at school,

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Speaker 1: um and and express concerns just with this election. And

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Speaker 1: I think that they think that Hillary is gonna somehow

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Speaker 1: swoop in at the last minute and take back the presidency.

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Speaker 1: And I've told them absolutely not, you know, but it's

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Speaker 1: difficult in this day and age, when when there is

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Speaker 1: a lot of social media and there's all this talk online. UM,

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Speaker 1: And I would I would argue that you would agree

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01:28:32,520 --> 01:28:34,760
Speaker 1: that Trump is going to be elected president and it's

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01:28:34,800 --> 01:28:38,080
Speaker 1: gonna be fine. But the point is, do you see

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01:28:38,120 --> 01:28:41,040
Speaker 1: these ads being run and they're so clear about saying

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01:28:41,080 --> 01:28:44,000
Speaker 1: conservatives first, and then they say liberals, and they they

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01:28:44,360 --> 01:28:47,840
Speaker 1: include everybody. Would these ads be run if Hillary? If

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Speaker 1: Hillary had let's just flip the situation, you know, you

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Speaker 1: put you put Hillary as the president elect and Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump winning the popular vote, would they still be running

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Speaker 1: these ads, you know, claiming conservatives are on board with

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Speaker 1: is and liberals are on board with this. I don't

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Speaker 1: think that they would. So I don't think they would either.

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Speaker 1: I think it's so evident that this is politics. But look,

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Speaker 1: just take this for what it is. If if sore

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01:29:10,760 --> 01:29:14,080
Speaker 1: loser recounts don't work. If Russian hacking doesn't work, well,

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01:29:14,120 --> 01:29:16,000
Speaker 1: the lets to go out and we'll we'll influence the

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Speaker 1: electors anything we can do to delegitimize the victory of

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01:29:20,080 --> 01:29:23,400
Speaker 1: Donald Trump, which they never saw coming and they can't

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Speaker 1: believe happened, and they can't they're just they're in a

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01:29:26,320 --> 01:29:30,240
Speaker 1: state of shock and anger. It's sort of like, you know,

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Speaker 1: the stages of grief. What's the first, you know, you

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Speaker 1: go through, an angry stage, a denial stage you go through.

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Speaker 1: When you get to the angry stage, that's gonna be

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Speaker 1: the stage that lasts the longest. I don't think they

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Speaker 1: ever get to the acceptance stage unless Donald Trump so

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01:29:43,720 --> 01:29:46,599
Speaker 1: fixes the economy and makes things so much better so

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01:29:46,680 --> 01:29:49,639
Speaker 1: fast that it makes people's head spin that they have

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01:29:49,720 --> 01:29:55,599
Speaker 1: to even liberals acknowledge that it worked. All right, Natalie,

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Speaker 1: appreciate it. Thank you all. Right, back to our busy

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Speaker 1: telephones here as we check in with Deborah's in New Mexico.

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Speaker 1: Deborra High, how are you glad you called hi, Sean Um.

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Speaker 1: I think that everybody is trying to influence the election,

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Speaker 1: just like you said, and we've heard in that clip,

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Speaker 1: they're all trying to influence it just like you said,

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Speaker 1: they're trying to influence now are electorals. Everybody's trying to

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Speaker 1: influence the election. But here's the issue. Wiki leaks, Julia

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Speaker 1: san is influencing. Maybe with the truth. That's what the

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Speaker 1: American people want. They want to make a good decision

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Speaker 1: when they go to that voting booth on the truth.

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01:30:31,960 --> 01:30:34,559
Speaker 1: But what the media is doing is using this narrative

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Speaker 1: as a false narrative, as a smoke screen to take

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Speaker 1: our focus off of the lies. The fifth that they're

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Speaker 1: stealing our election with all of these illegal votes, the

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Speaker 1: dead votes, the multiple votes. That's that's the problem, and

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Speaker 1: that's where we need to be focusing. I totally agree

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Speaker 1: with you and we will. You know, if Julian Assans

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Speaker 1: had gone after Trump this way, he would be this

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01:30:57,600 --> 01:31:01,760
Speaker 1: would be Watergate too, He'd be Woodward and Bernstein all

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Speaker 1: over again, all the President's men. Darlene Birmingham, Alabama, W

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Speaker 1: E R C. How are you? Uh? Darlen? And Glad

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Speaker 1: you called? I'm good son? How are you? I heard

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Speaker 1: you interviewing um Kevin yesterday? Was it? Ye Ken? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: About Let Let There Be Light as the name of

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Speaker 1: the movie that I'm the executive producer was filmed here

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Speaker 1: in Alabama, and I know you for bringing some work

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Speaker 1: here and it's a beautiful state and I appreciate it. Listen,

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01:31:27,479 --> 01:31:30,160
Speaker 1: we thought long and hard about where we we We

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Speaker 1: really did. We spent a lot of time thinking about

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Speaker 1: where we need to film this and and we were

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Speaker 1: going to go to Georgia. We ended up going to

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Speaker 1: Alabama and it worked out really well, and everybody was

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Speaker 1: so helpful. We hired a lot of people down there,

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Speaker 1: and you know what, I was glad to be a

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Speaker 1: part of it. But more importantly, I think you'll love

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Speaker 1: the message this. Look, this isn't coming out until next November,

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Speaker 1: I know, but I think it's a message everyone needs

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Speaker 1: to here. And it's a message of faith, redemption, a

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Speaker 1: love story. It is, it is contemporary. I think it

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Speaker 1: will take on an emotional ride that I think you'll

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Speaker 1: find very meaningful. I hope you really like it. Thank

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Speaker 1: you very much, Okay, thank you. Eight nine for one.

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Speaker 1: Shawn is a Totprey telephone number.