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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Coast to Coast AM. Connie Willis here

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Speaker 2: future I'll have mister doctor Jeffrey Long visiting me on

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Speaker 2: my show too, as that's always fun. So he is

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Speaker 2: the largest near death experience study in history, is what

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Speaker 2: he held, involving three thousand people, diverse backgrounds, religious traditions,

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Speaker 2: including non believers. And he's going to be telling us

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Speaker 2: a little bit deeper about some of these things in

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Speaker 2: a few minutes. But I have some more questions for

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Speaker 2: you that I personally want to know because I know

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Speaker 2: you were talking about at one point free will, where

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Speaker 2: we have free will all the time, So talk about

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Speaker 2: what you've learned about that, but also the second part

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Speaker 2: of that is free will when it comes to coming

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Speaker 2: back or not.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, it's fascinating to me, Connie that over and over

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Speaker 3: we have quotes in near death experiences where people have

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Speaker 3: gotten very direct information during their near death experience about

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Speaker 3: free will. And it's not just the near death experiences

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Speaker 3: free will, it's free will for everybody worldwide. Near death

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Speaker 3: experiences have shared and this is straight quotes from their experiences.

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Speaker 3: I felt like it's all about free will, or the

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Speaker 3: one law that will never change is the law of

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Speaker 3: free will, the one law that lasts. And then finally,

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Speaker 3: another near death experienceer said, we are products of our

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Speaker 3: own choices, are free will. So over and over literally

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Speaker 3: by the scores we have people in getting this important information,

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Speaker 3: very relevant for each and every one of us in

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Speaker 3: our earthly life, and exciting too to have that kind

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Speaker 3: of validation that the decisions we make, what we choose

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Speaker 3: to do, really is re livately our own free will choice.

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Speaker 3: So that's exciting.

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Speaker 2: Did when you're on the other side, have some people

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Speaker 2: wanted to totally stay and they're like, no, you got

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Speaker 2: more to do, and they're like fighting it. So to

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Speaker 2: me that would be like, oh wait a minute, my

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Speaker 2: free wills. I want to say, you.

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Speaker 3: Know, that's a great question. We had somebody heroically review

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Speaker 3: the literally thousands of near death experiences on the website,

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Speaker 3: and their goal was to explore what we see over

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Speaker 3: and over again, and that being again while on the

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Speaker 3: other side, near death experiencers at the end of their

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Speaker 3: near death experience being told language like it's not your time.

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Speaker 3: You have more to do, you have more work to do.

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Speaker 3: And interestingly, this study, the huge study that was recently completed,

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Speaker 3: by the way, is you're the first in the world,

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Speaker 3: you and all your listeners to hear the results of

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Speaker 3: this study. Amazingly, worldwide, about ten to twelve percent of

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Speaker 3: near death experiencers have at the end of their experience

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Speaker 3: that kind of information. I mean, it's just amazing to me.

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Speaker 3: Here they're being told that while they could stay in

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Speaker 3: that beautiful, unearthly, blissful, loving, realm earthly life seems to

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Speaker 3: be so important that they're being sent back because they

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Speaker 3: have more to do, because they have more life to live.

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Speaker 3: And the interesting thing about this study, Connie, is that

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Speaker 3: this was from all around the world, even in non

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Speaker 3: Western countries. That same concept was universal wherever on the

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Speaker 3: you know, we're back to that free will. We seem

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Speaker 3: to not only have the free will to choose our

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Speaker 3: be a direction from the other side. Now, I want

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Speaker 3: to emphasize that when they're told to come back, you

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Speaker 3: have more work to do. There's things left in your life.

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Speaker 3: Language like that. Almost never are the near death experiencers

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Speaker 3: told specifically what to do. They're not told to go

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Speaker 3: build an arc. They're not told what.

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Speaker 2: Man, come on, what good or that I know tell us.

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Speaker 3: Really, in my study of near death experiences that that

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Speaker 3: made me nuts. I'm going, well, come on, what are

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Speaker 1: After?

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Speaker 3: You know, having this like you know, hundreds and hundreds

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Speaker 3: I think they know what they're doing on the other side.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I hope you laugh at this. But

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Speaker 2: it's pretty serious too. But I was going, I was

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Speaker 2: having a surgery and the anesthesiologist was talking to me

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Speaker 2: I don't know if that's normal or not. I yeah,

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Speaker 2: I guess so. I guess so. But it was right

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Speaker 2: maybe it's always different. But I met her. She was

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Speaker 2: I said little ome going, hey, do you think you

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Speaker 2: can take me to the you know, right there at

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Speaker 3: them gas passers. Oh but yeah, that would be interesting.

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Speaker 2: Me, But I was totally serious. In fact, that's my question.

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Speaker 2: The next question to use. How many people come back

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Speaker 3: Oh, we see that quite commonly. In fact, it's a

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Speaker 3: survey question that we've asked our literally thousands of near

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Speaker 3: And it's all over the board. They can be increasingly intuitive,

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Speaker 2: Call a dinner over there while we're talking, are you

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Speaker 2: cooking dinner? Over There's that? What's going on?

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Speaker 2: What's going on over there? What's happening?

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Speaker 3: psychic this variety of psychic phenomena, and again fascinating, can

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Speaker 2: And that's the people that recognize it and admit to it.

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Speaker 2: So there could be more and maybe they didn't recognize

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Speaker 3: often it takes years after their near death experience to

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Speaker 3: And yet other people with them will say, hey, you're

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Speaker 3: more intuitive. It's almost like Jesus looks like we share

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Speaker 2: I think it's amazing when people can like play Beethoven

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Speaker 2: Jeff, it's so nice to talk to someone that's got

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Speaker 3: Oh, absolutely, that really makes the difference, you know. It

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Speaker 3: But the good news is shows like you do what

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Speaker 3: you know, Connie, your outreached in the world in a

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Speaker 2: So I got to ask you this, do what do

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Speaker 3: Well, that's what again, Having studied four thousand near death experiences,

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Speaker 3: They typically, at least the great majority, don't have wings.

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Speaker 2: Do you I'm not sure of your background when it

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