1 00:00:01,680 --> 00:00:08,200 Speaker 1: Oh right, ah right, all right, all right, all right, 2 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 1: all right, all right about hey everybody, it is Thursday, 3 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 1: the fourth of February twenty twenty one, and it is 4 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 1: time for episode sixty two of the promotional Malpractice. No, 5 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:38,839 Speaker 1: that's what it used to be called. Now let's just 6 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 1: call it the Luke Thomas Live Chat. My name is 7 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 1: Luke Thomas. I'm from CBS and Showtime. Appreciate you guys 8 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 1: joining me today. We'll get to whatever you want to 9 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:49,159 Speaker 1: get to. Whatever topics you listed, those are the ones 10 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:51,200 Speaker 1: we will talk about. I saw some stuff about Attasanya 11 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 1: and Holloway and some stuff like that. I saw some 12 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:56,639 Speaker 1: other things, so we'll get to all of the good 13 00:00:56,680 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 1: stuff therein. Please, if you'd be so kind, give the 14 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 1: video a thumbs up. Hit the subscribe button. We're very 15 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 1: close to seventy eight point six K. I like to 16 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 1: get over that hump if you don't mind, so help 17 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 1: us do that? And what else? Yeah, just do that. 18 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 1: Send this to a friend. I don't know, Open a 19 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 1: cold one. I look like a bag of dicks because 20 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 1: I just came from the gym and I am tired. 21 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 1: So that's it. That's it. That's all I can say, 22 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 1: without further ado, let us get this party start head 23 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:40,960 Speaker 1: ah right, and there we are, so thank you for 24 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:43,959 Speaker 1: joining me. We will go about let's see an hour 25 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 1: and fifteen minutes, give or take, and without any further blabbering, 26 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 1: why don't we open the show? Shall we? All right, 27 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 1: I'll have a little sip of this power aid zero 28 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 1: and I've got some water here as well. I am 29 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:12,639 Speaker 1: old and tired, all right, all right? First question, with 30 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:15,799 Speaker 1: Burns presenting a submission threat, how likely is that we 31 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 1: will see Usman approach the fight similar to how he 32 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:23,520 Speaker 1: approached the Colby fight. Boy, that is an interesting one. 33 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 1: If you think about where you've seen Kamaru Usman. Is 34 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 1: it loud enough? It could be a little louder maybe 35 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 1: right little check check, Yeah, it's a little bit better 36 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 1: if you think about where you've seen Kamara Usman. I 37 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 1: actually had a conversation today with Rashad Evans about this. 38 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 1: He and I'll have a video, you know, bring us 39 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 1: up just a little bit. I'll have a video with him. 40 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:52,639 Speaker 1: I think out a little next week. I'm not sure 41 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 1: exactly what's coming out, but we just talked about Kamar Usman, 42 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 1: how he met him, what he's good at you know, 43 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 1: what are the things he's worked on, how the development went, 44 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 1: blah blah blah. And you know, if you just look 45 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 1: at the math and then just the tape either way, 46 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 1: you've just never seen a lot of guys on Kamarho's 47 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 1: back and you've never seen you know, you never seen 48 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:15,240 Speaker 1: him underneath a lot either. The fact, if you look 49 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 1: at this, the one loss he has on his record, 50 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 1: that's to the brother of Alex Casseus, all right, Bruce 51 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 1: Lee Roy. His brother Jose is the one that choked 52 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 1: out Camaro on the regional scene many many years ago. 53 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 1: And Rashada was telling me, like, since that day, he's 54 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 1: been working like a maniac on his submission defense, to 55 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 1: the point where he'll even train with Jorge Santiago or 56 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 1: George Santiago, I'm not sure how the Brazilians pronounce the name, 57 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 1: but uh and puts the gee on like the whole 58 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 1: nine yards like really works on every part of his 59 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 1: jiu jitsu. So you know, between six years of training 60 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 1: with Gilbert Burns and that, you know, and then the 61 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 1: reality with the tape ish, which is that you don't 62 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 1: really see him compromise positions. I tend to think he'll 63 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 1: be conscious of it, but I don't think he's gonna 64 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 1: be as afraid as folks might imagine. He probably knows 65 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 1: what positions underneath. Gilbert is really good at you know, 66 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 1: if you put him in half guard, is he good 67 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 1: at inverting? Is he good at me shielding to getting 68 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 1: back up? Is he you know, is he good at 69 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:25,160 Speaker 1: arm drags? Where does he really thrive with what you 70 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:29,160 Speaker 1: try to do? I you know, I I tend to 71 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 1: think that, yeah, this is not going to be a 72 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 1: takedown fest in the way that like the dos Angos 73 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 1: fight was dosno Just's submission threat as well, but not 74 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:38,280 Speaker 1: in the way that Gilbert Burns is. Gilbert Burns a 75 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 1: legitimate world champion at the black belt level, and you 76 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:47,279 Speaker 1: know athletic too. Athletic is as all get out. I mean, 77 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:50,920 Speaker 1: the guy is really he He has to me what 78 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 1: I would call the most dangerous style of jiu jitsu, 79 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:56,040 Speaker 1: which is you might find better gee specialists, and you 80 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 1: might find better no gee specialists, you might find better 81 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 1: points specialists. Anybody find better like sub only specialists. But 82 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 1: if you had to have one style that translates well 83 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 1: to all of them, it's his right because he is quick. 84 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 1: He is athletic, he is technical, he is patient. He 85 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:18,280 Speaker 1: has a great balance, He understands the very technical and 86 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 1: finer points of off balancing. You know. He just has 87 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 1: a kind of style that it can work in any format. 88 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 1: You know. So again you'll have somebody might be better 89 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:29,480 Speaker 1: than him in any one of those particular forms of practices, 90 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 1: but then they go to another kind and their game 91 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 1: falls off the cliff. Like, that's not Gilbert Burns. He 92 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 1: doesn't really, he doesn't really have that. So I tend 93 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:40,040 Speaker 1: to think you're gonna see a little bit more in 94 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:42,280 Speaker 1: the stand up, but not where those two guys were 95 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 1: like desperately afraid of being underneath the other guy. Frankly. Also, 96 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 1: here's the other part about it. Kamaru has a one 97 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 1: takedown defensive rate. Now we saw Tevern Woodley had historically 98 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 1: a really great take down to rate up until his 99 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 1: last few fights, and including the Gilbert Burns fight, where 100 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:05,280 Speaker 1: Burns was able to take him down a couple of times, 101 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:07,480 Speaker 1: maybe even maybe even a few times, but it certainly 102 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 1: took him down more than once. You know, is he 103 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:13,280 Speaker 1: going to try and waste his energy that way? You know, 104 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 1: is he going to be more accommodating of it. If 105 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 1: in fact you do see submission attempts from Burns, are 106 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 1: they the kind that are you know, somewhat low risk, 107 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 1: which is a lot of times if you go for 108 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:28,360 Speaker 1: like a heel hook, that can be risky because you 109 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 1: need two hands to apply it. It means you can't 110 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 1: really defend yourself. But if you're doing it through an 111 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 1: inversion where you're coming out the back and then the 112 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 1: only really way to get out of it is to 113 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 1: get away and it forces a stand up, I could 114 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:43,040 Speaker 1: see a lot of scenarios like that. I just have 115 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 1: a hard time seeing Burns find his way to Kamarrew's 116 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 1: back unless something is kind of wrong with Kamorrow, like 117 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 1: the prep was off or he was injured or something. 118 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 1: I mean, how can you spend six years with a 119 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 1: guy and not know what to avoid? You know, that's 120 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 1: a long time to train with a person. You know, 121 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 1: it's a long time. So I think you'll see a 122 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:08,160 Speaker 1: lot of striking in this one. But I do think 123 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 1: eventually Kamara is going to go for the takedown and 124 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 1: then just be very careful and cautious on top, and 125 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 1: then I think he's going to use that to kind 126 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 1: of offset the striking and off balance I should say 127 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 1: the striking of Gilbert right, because if he doesn't know 128 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 1: the takedown it's coming, yes, he might be a threat underneath, 129 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 1: but if you can control him on top right for 130 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 1: as little as it lasts, then he knows he's not 131 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 1: going to get a whole lot going with that. He 132 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 1: can't off balance you, he can't find his way to 133 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 1: his back. He's not going to get pounded out there necessarily, 134 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 1: but he's going to lose the fight there, and so 135 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 1: he's going to be a little bit more desperate on 136 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 1: the feet, right. So I think it's gonna be look 137 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 1: a little something like that as at least in terms 138 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 1: of what Kumara is probably planning as a strategy. I'm 139 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 1: sure Burns has something to say about that as well. 140 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 1: Will you guys ever fix the delay between the videos 141 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 1: playing and when you and BC actually watched the video 142 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 1: on have you seen this shit? Your reactions are always 143 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 1: delayed because I assume you guys are watching the videos 144 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 1: on a delay. That is right. It has been this 145 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 1: way since the first episode. Well, no about the first episode, 146 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 1: because the first episode was in studio, but I mean 147 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 1: you mean the first pandemic episode, and I've emailed the 148 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 1: show about this before. Yes, it was ignored for a 149 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 1: very good reason. It's a little awkward for the viewer 150 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 1: when the punchline in the video happens and we see 151 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 1: you two react to it five seconds later. Right, So 152 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 1: here's the deal. In order to get the crisp look 153 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 1: that you guys see on there, I'll show it to you. 154 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 1: This is what we use. Let me as I can 155 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 1: see here this this is a look at that auto 156 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 1: focus on that Sony A seven three bitches. But this 157 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:41,200 Speaker 1: is the unit that we use. It's a live view newscasters. 158 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:44,839 Speaker 1: Your local newscaster will use this downtown. This sends a 159 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 1: signal back to the studios up in the Great Northeast 160 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 1: that looks as crisp as you see it on your screen. 161 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 1: The problem is they can send us these units, which 162 00:08:56,760 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 1: by the way, are insanely expensive. In fact, the company 163 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 1: that sent us this, Malka who makes the show, they 164 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 1: make Brendan Chobs show, They don't even own this gear. 165 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 1: They rent it because it's crazy expensive. And so you're asking, well, 166 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 1: what's the point of that. Well, it sends a prettier signal, right, 167 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 1: I mean it makes it look a lot better than 168 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 1: otherwise ordinarily would be. And they have the receiver this 169 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 1: is the transmitter. They have the receiver on their end 170 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 1: to take the signal and they can you know, it 171 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 1: looks normal on their side. The problem is they can't 172 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 1: send us that unit as well. That would just be 173 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 1: you know, beyond the point of cost prohibitive. So the 174 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 1: way we are able to see each other during the 175 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 1: show as we watch on Zoom, so the Zoom link 176 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 1: is behind what the live view can show, and as 177 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 1: a consequence, there's a delay. There's no real good answer 178 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:54,199 Speaker 1: to fix that. You can do the whole show on Zoom, 179 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 1: but then it it'll look like shit, and they won't 180 00:09:56,920 --> 00:09:59,079 Speaker 1: have the same production elements that they need. They need 181 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 1: this live view to put in some of the lower 182 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 1: thirds and everything else that they do through their software system, 183 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:10,679 Speaker 1: and you know, it creates for the delay. But to me, 184 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:14,439 Speaker 1: it's like it's not ideal. Certainly, it's pretty far from ideal, 185 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 1: but it's about the best case scenario given what we're 186 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:19,199 Speaker 1: trying to do and given that we're trying to have 187 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:21,839 Speaker 1: a certain look for the program. I notice probably a 188 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:23,959 Speaker 1: lot of fans being like, oh, I would sacrifice. You know, 189 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 1: some pixels to have that a little bit more aligned, 190 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:30,200 Speaker 1: and I understand that, but it's a little bit against 191 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:32,199 Speaker 1: what the company who makes the show is about. So 192 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 1: there it is. This is what. So if you ever 193 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 1: see a newscaster downtown, Hi, I'm live on location at 194 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:41,079 Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah blah, look in their backpack or 195 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:43,840 Speaker 1: look what the cameraman has, and you'll almost always see 196 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 1: this live. You do you think Holloway and Izzy are 197 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 1: proving that others can become UFC champions with great striking 198 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 1: and takedown defense and relatively limited wrestling or are they 199 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 1: both very rare exceptions to the role of needing to 200 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 1: have great wrestling at jiu jitsu. Yeah, it's a little 201 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 1: bit more of the latter. The reason why is because 202 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 1: they I mean, two different kinds of striking there, although 203 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:17,960 Speaker 1: they're both sort of stepping sliders rather than bouncers. Right, 204 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 1: But here's what you have to understand. One, Holloway's takedown 205 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 1: defense in the open is just outrageously good and has 206 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:29,439 Speaker 1: take down defense along the fence line as equally good, 207 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 1: if not better. So they're just hard to take down period. 208 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 1: I don't know exactly how great the offensive wrestling is 209 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 1: of Holloway, But suffice to say, we don't see a 210 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:41,080 Speaker 1: whole lot of it. But you might be asking, oh, 211 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 1: can you just do that with striking and limited wrestling? Well, 212 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:46,679 Speaker 1: a couple things I would ask, Number one, can you 213 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:50,199 Speaker 1: strike as well as Holloway? You know, because if you 214 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 1: can't spend that much time on the feet and have 215 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:56,319 Speaker 1: that much of an advantage over your opponents, you might 216 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:59,959 Speaker 1: need to have some takedowns. It just so happens that Holloway, 217 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 1: who may have the best chin in all of UFC 218 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 1: twenty four fights, never been put on his rear end 219 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 1: with one punch or even a series of punches, which 220 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 1: is just an ungodly chin. And you know, obviously has 221 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 1: his own ability to work through adversity and put it 222 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 1: on other people. He doesn't necessarily need offensive wrestling in 223 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 1: that way. But you know, I could imagine that there 224 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 1: being a significant drop off where you do, like consider 225 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 1: Frankie Edgar. Frankieger's got really good striking, but you know 226 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 1: it's at its best when he's able to mix in 227 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 1: the takedowns or at least a legitimate threat of takedowns. 228 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 1: If he doesn't have that the success of the striking 229 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 1: alone tends to in its more recent forms struggle a 230 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 1: little bit or to bare minimum, not be as effective. 231 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 1: That's not the case with Holloway. He doesn't need any 232 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 1: of that, right and same with Atasania. They don't need 233 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 1: those threats of the takedowns. They're so superior there that 234 00:12:56,240 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 1: if they can just work on their defensive fundamentals that 235 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 1: they're incredibly good at just leaving the game there. That's 236 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 1: just not true for the overwhelming majority of fighters, and 237 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 1: it's not going to be true for the overwhelming majority 238 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 1: of fighters. Number one is the first thing I'd say. 239 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:16,079 Speaker 1: Second is they do have very good particularly Holloway has 240 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:18,439 Speaker 1: very good takedown defence. But the other part of that 241 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 1: is they're very good about making sure their opponents, you know, 242 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 1: they got to work to get them against the fence line, 243 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 1: especially Auto Soignya, you've got to work to get inside 244 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 1: the range. Holloway throws enough volume where it's a little 245 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 1: bit easier to get you know, I'm saying easier. This 246 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:40,720 Speaker 1: is all, you know, still very difficult, but relatively speaking, 247 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 1: it's a little bit easier to get inside because if 248 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 1: you're constantly throwing, you're gonna find a moment in between them. 249 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 1: You might get battered for a big portion of that, 250 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:51,320 Speaker 1: but there's just there the doors opening more to find 251 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:54,320 Speaker 1: your way inside out of Signia obviously a little bit more, 252 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:59,959 Speaker 1: a little bit more reserved in his volume relative to Hollowy. 253 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:02,439 Speaker 1: So these guys, it's hard for the people to navigate 254 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 1: that space on the inside. At Gastlum did a little 255 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 1: bit of that. You saw him. He was able to 256 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 1: sort of go side to side. He was pretty good 257 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:12,839 Speaker 1: with it. There's been some other ones too. Vittori, you know, 258 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 1: had some success with it as well. The question is 259 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 1: with a today, in the modern version of at a 260 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 1: sign I tend to think it'd be a lot harder 261 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 1: for them. But a point being is you can even 262 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 1: take someone who has good wrestling, and that navigation of 263 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 1: space becomes a lot more difficult. So my answer would be, 264 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 1: you know, is their offensive wrestling as good as their defensive? 265 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 1: Probably not. Defensive wrestling is a little bit easier to 266 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 1: learn and comes first. Wrestling is a little bit a 267 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 1: little bit like the I don't want to overstate this, 268 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 1: it's a little bit like the opposite of striking in 269 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 1: that way where when you learn to strike. Offense tends 270 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 1: to come a little bit first, tends to come a 271 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 1: little bit easier than defense, whereas in wrestling, defense tends 272 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 1: to come a little bit first. It tends to come 273 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 1: a little bit easier than offense. It's easier for me, 274 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 1: I was certainly this is everyone I've ever trained with. 275 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 1: It was a lot easier to learn how to sprawl 276 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 1: and stuff a double then just have a lights out double, 277 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 1: you know. And of course there was always gonna be exception. 278 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 1: There's always gonna be some fucking stupid athletic guy who 279 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 1: you know could go and eat, you know, five burritos 280 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 1: loaded with fucking pork fat and then still have rock 281 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 1: abs and be shredded. Yeah, that dude could have a 282 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 1: sick double. But for most people, I found that defense 283 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 1: came a little bit earlier than offense. Now, at these points, 284 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 1: these guys are senior fighters, So you know, I don't 285 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 1: think it's exactly that way necessarily, like they're so new 286 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 1: in all of this that defense is still first anybody, 287 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 1: Long story short, you know, I'm not gonna say they're 288 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 1: very rare exceptions, because you're starting to see a little 289 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 1: bit more of this. People getting much more comfortable on 290 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 1: the feet. So there might be something to be said 291 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 1: about a something of a trend, but you shouldn't be 292 00:15:54,800 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 1: confused those dudes, you know deep waters, buddy, they were 293 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 1: not They did not adapt to the darkness, buddy, they 294 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 1: were born in it, you know, looking at them and 295 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 1: be like, oh, I need to take down de fence. 296 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 1: I'll just keep defining the feed, motherfucker. You better learn 297 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 1: how to strike real well. You better make sure that 298 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 1: every time someone is standing across from you they are terrified, 299 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 1: because if that's not the case, it ain't gonna go 300 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 1: well for you. They calling me, Okay, let's see Arnold 301 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 1: Allen versus Sadik Yusuf has been scheduled. I think these 302 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 1: two could be future top contenders. Any think the fight 303 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:39,480 Speaker 1: will play out? Alan is a little bit more He 304 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 1: uses his well roundedness more, which is not to say 305 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 1: Sadiq is not well rounded. He is, but Arnold is 306 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 1: a little bit more deliberate about using it, and Sadiq 307 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 1: takes a little bit more risks early and to me 308 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 1: is a more vicious striker. Actually it's considerably more vicious 309 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 1: of a striker. I also think he's heavier handed, So 310 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 1: the question to me is if Alan survives early, and 311 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:04,200 Speaker 1: there's a very good chance that he does, does Yusef 312 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 1: fade late or can Yusef hit another gear? You saw 313 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:11,440 Speaker 1: Yusef in the fight with who's the guy out of 314 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 1: Alpha Male who? You know he got tats and big 315 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 1: gass ear rings and shit feely he uh, he came 316 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 1: out strong against Phelly faded a little bit but then 317 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:27,640 Speaker 1: rebound its to a degree. In that third, you're gonna 318 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 1: need to see something like that, and I think Alan 319 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 1: is gonna be looking to put it on him late. 320 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 1: That to me is where the fight is gonna be 321 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 1: one or lost. I tend to think Yusuf is gonna, 322 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 1: you know, have his ways a little strong, But I 323 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:39,879 Speaker 1: tend to think Yuseff will probably do a lot to 324 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:44,640 Speaker 1: do well early right, and then the fight he even 325 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 1: may do well in the second round. What happens in 326 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 1: that third, that's where that's where the fight's gonna be 327 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 1: one or lost. The one knock on Tadik Yusef is. 328 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:55,920 Speaker 1: I mean, he's so special as a fighter, right, He's 329 00:17:56,200 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 1: very talented, young guy, smart at Lennox fucking hammer. When 330 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 1: he hits I don't know that he apportions his offense 331 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 1: for a longevity. Yet that's sort of the one thing. 332 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 1: It's like, it's like fatigue management is not something he 333 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:18,120 Speaker 1: takes as seriously as maybe he should. Uh And why 334 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:20,359 Speaker 1: would you like if you hit hard, dudes fall you 335 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:22,880 Speaker 1: just kind of get in that mode. There's a there's 336 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 1: gonna be a degree of refining. I think as his 337 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 1: technique gets more refined, he will get better at knockouts 338 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:35,280 Speaker 1: without without having it to make it such a such 339 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 1: a application of force more an application of just consistency 340 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:44,960 Speaker 1: and uh And I think then he'll get better at 341 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:48,200 Speaker 1: fatigue management. But there's another way to learn fatigue management, 342 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 1: which is the hard way, where you know, you just 343 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 1: sort of go too hard early and then someone who 344 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:54,640 Speaker 1: may be better than I'm not saying this is only 345 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:57,399 Speaker 1: but an oral Allen, but let's just positive scenario or 346 00:18:57,440 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 1: somebody that you're just a better fighter than them, but 347 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 1: they were tough as shoe leather and then they were 348 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 1: there in the third and you weren't and they put 349 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 1: it on you. That's a bad place to be. So 350 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:08,359 Speaker 1: to me, that's the lesson I think Alan little bit more. 351 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 1: And also if Alan can you know take city use 352 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:14,440 Speaker 1: of down and hold him down, put him in compromise positions, 353 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:16,720 Speaker 1: because I do think he's a very good grappler. Trains 354 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:19,960 Speaker 1: of Ryan Hall like, there could be something there, a 355 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 1: bit of an X factor worth exploring as well. I 356 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:29,360 Speaker 1: may save this one says you hate it? When BC 357 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 1: says he's the sauce? How would you break down on 358 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:33,360 Speaker 1: the relationship between both of you professionally and personally? Well, 359 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 1: we have a great relationship. I'll see why do you 360 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:37,639 Speaker 1: hate the sauce? MENA four? I actually, you know what, 361 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 1: I'll table that last one because we actually talk about 362 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:43,120 Speaker 1: that in the next documentary, which I know you guys 363 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 1: are like, oh, I don't give a fuck. I want 364 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:45,879 Speaker 1: to hear now I know, but then it kind of 365 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 1: ruins a documentary which I don't really want to do 366 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:50,680 Speaker 1: because people put a lot of effort into it. So 367 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 1: that part gets answered in the next one. I'll save 368 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 1: that one. How would you describe a relationship both personally 369 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 1: and professionally. It's a really good one. It's actually not 370 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:02,440 Speaker 1: really the one you see on air certain ways, which 371 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 1: is why in some ways the sauce metaphor doesn't work, 372 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:09,639 Speaker 1: because when we interact in person, he's much more demure, 373 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:11,480 Speaker 1: and I'm the one who's a little bit more outrageous, 374 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 1: and then that flips when we hit the record button. 375 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 1: But yeah, dude, Like, here's the thing that like a 376 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 1: lot of people just don't seem to realize about us, 377 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:24,160 Speaker 1: or maybe they do, And it's worth just saying again, 378 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 1: which is that we have very different backgrounds and very 379 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 1: different tastes and things. And yes, in that sense, there's 380 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:37,119 Speaker 1: a pretty big difference. But one thing that unites us, 381 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 1: aside from the fact we both love combat sports is 382 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:43,359 Speaker 1: you know, I you know, and this is not some 383 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:46,680 Speaker 1: I don't need people to like shed a tear for 384 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:50,160 Speaker 1: me or him, but he and I are both motivated 385 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 1: by the fact that professionally, we've had long stretches where 386 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:58,200 Speaker 1: we felt like we were overlooked or you know, didn't 387 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 1: get the opportunities that maybe we should have or could have, 388 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:03,960 Speaker 1: and that has motivated us in a certain way and 389 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:08,640 Speaker 1: affected our worldview, certainly professionally in a certain way about ambition, 390 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 1: about goal setting, about work ethic, about the industry. And 391 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:15,440 Speaker 1: I took a different approach than he did in terms 392 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:19,159 Speaker 1: of answering that in ways, you guys know, but there 393 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 1: is that real underlying professional similarity. There, there's a bond there, 394 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 1: you know he has. You look at his Twitter bio, 395 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 1: it says daring to be great, like he means that, 396 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 1: you know, he really really means that. He means that's 397 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 1: somebody who you know, got a lot of feedback in 398 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:37,119 Speaker 1: his life growing up being like, eh, we want to 399 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 1: go this direction out of the direction of you. And 400 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:41,840 Speaker 1: it really like irked him and in some ways I'm 401 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 1: sure it did make him better. In other ways, I'm 402 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:45,159 Speaker 1: sure he was right when he says he shouldn't have 403 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 1: been overlooked. I feel the same way in some ways. 404 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:50,120 Speaker 1: When you get overlooked or you get passed over, maybe 405 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:51,840 Speaker 1: there was some good reasons why you got passed over, 406 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:54,359 Speaker 1: and you should reflect on that, you know, and use 407 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:56,400 Speaker 1: that not to be better, because bitterness will just drag 408 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:59,359 Speaker 1: you down and exhaust you eventually, but to work on 409 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:03,399 Speaker 1: your to work on your deficiencies. But also that you 410 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 1: don't take someone's word for it, like, oh, they said 411 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:08,440 Speaker 1: you're not good enough. Does that mean you're not good enough? No, 412 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:11,560 Speaker 1: it means that they might have some part that is 413 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 1: not utterly dismissable, but they might have judgment issues as well. 414 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 1: Who says they're they're the best judge of something, and 415 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 1: so that has I think united us in terms of 416 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:24,479 Speaker 1: our the place we find ourselves. Plus we're not too 417 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:27,119 Speaker 1: far apart in age two whaite guys forty one dads. 418 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 1: You know there's a lot of demographic overlap there as well. 419 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 1: So you know, he plays up I work in a 420 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:33,879 Speaker 1: factory town, like you know, he never worked in a 421 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:36,440 Speaker 1: factory I did. That kind of shit is just sort 422 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:39,639 Speaker 1: of cosmetic fun differences. I would actually argue what unites 423 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:42,119 Speaker 1: us there are some real differences, but what unites us 424 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:47,479 Speaker 1: is much more foundational and profound. Should Dan Hooker consider 425 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 1: a move to one seventy No, I don't think so. 426 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 1: I mean, the guy's at one forty five and then 427 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:56,359 Speaker 1: Bama's at one seventy are huge. Does Brad Riddell have 428 00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:58,959 Speaker 1: more or less or equal success versus the upper echelund 429 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,480 Speaker 1: one fifty five as hook Or We're gonna have to see. 430 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:04,119 Speaker 1: I think he just had a kid, So congratulations to 431 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:10,680 Speaker 1: uh mister Riddell. He certainly is a superb kickboxer. We're 432 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:13,159 Speaker 1: gonna see, We're gonna see. I don't know, you know, 433 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 1: I don't do a whole lot of prognostication if I 434 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:17,880 Speaker 1: can avoid it in the fight game. I certainly feel 435 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:20,639 Speaker 1: like he's got a lot of the tools, but I 436 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:24,239 Speaker 1: need to see some consistency and I need to see him. Uh, 437 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 1: he's got a fight coming up? To who is his 438 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 1: next fight against? I saw this announced. There's a bunch 439 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 1: of these. These guys have at least see the kickboxing guys. 440 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:51,440 Speaker 1: Damn it. Ummmm, oh you know what? Maybe it was 441 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 1: on this page. Yeah, so you've got March six, You've 442 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 1: got blot of which out of Sonia. Then you've got 443 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:08,720 Speaker 1: Kaikr France versus bond Turin thaty Bee March seventh, and 444 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 1: then you've got oh, maybe not, you've got oh, I 445 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:12,719 Speaker 1: guess we just had a kid he doesn't want to fight. 446 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:14,200 Speaker 1: Then you have this dude. I can never pronounce his 447 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:16,960 Speaker 1: last name. He trades it fortists. His farst name is 448 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:20,840 Speaker 1: Kennedy and zech qu I please forgive me, I don't 449 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:22,359 Speaker 1: how to pronounce it. Versus the guy who just came 450 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 1: off Contender series, Carlos Olberg. I guess not. I guess 451 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:28,000 Speaker 1: he doesn't have a fight coming up, but he does 452 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:35,240 Speaker 1: have a significant ability. Sportsman writes Big Boody, latinas dropped 453 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:39,040 Speaker 1: Luke's entire intellectual facade. Andy, he turns into a cave man. Yeah, listen, 454 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:42,040 Speaker 1: we all have our weaknesses, my friends. That is mine, 455 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 1: all right. When fighters get the whole spelled wrong, power, 456 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,440 Speaker 1: arm and leg tattooed like a Vettori or tavares, different 457 00:24:56,520 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 1: kinds get the Japanese versus the Polynesian. How much does 458 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 1: that work, meaning influence the vision of the opponent hiding 459 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:09,639 Speaker 1: the power hand and leg. Well, usually that's a function 460 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 1: out of the hand of the shoulder being hidden. So 461 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:14,360 Speaker 1: what you want to be able to do is see 462 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:16,920 Speaker 1: Now you can't see the shoulder here. You want to 463 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:19,320 Speaker 1: find an angle where you can see it. And if 464 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:21,680 Speaker 1: you can see the shoulder, then you can begin to 465 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 1: make judgments about what's coming or not. I don't know 466 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:28,919 Speaker 1: to what extent a darkened arm, so to speak, plays 467 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:32,399 Speaker 1: into that, but that's what you're looking for. Less so 468 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:36,199 Speaker 1: the hand. I mean you want to look for that too, obviously, 469 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:39,160 Speaker 1: but really you're paying attention to what the shoulders are doing. 470 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:56,640 Speaker 1: By and large. Let's see as Connor achieved everything within 471 00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,480 Speaker 1: the sport he set out to. He slowly toned down 472 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:01,920 Speaker 1: his trash talk With that being said, do you think 473 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 1: if Colby was to ever win the Weltawey title he 474 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:13,800 Speaker 1: would do the same. God, I doubt it. I doubt it. 475 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 1: Connor achieved a lot more than that. Connor didn't just 476 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:22,399 Speaker 1: achieve like a title, He achieved two at once. He 477 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:25,880 Speaker 1: achieved enormous fame and fortune. He's the most popular fighter 478 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:29,600 Speaker 1: we've ever had. Like his I mean, his life. It 479 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:33,720 Speaker 1: didn't just change, it completely transformed, and not overnight it was. 480 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:39,400 Speaker 1: It was incremental. But you know, in major in four 481 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:41,200 Speaker 1: years he went from something to nothing. I mean, it's 482 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 1: just such a whirlwind, you know. I tend to think, 483 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:49,520 Speaker 1: I mean Colby just well before he sprayed the block 484 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:51,440 Speaker 1: right where even Grandma was getting hit, when he was 485 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:53,920 Speaker 1: doing like Star Wars spoilers and shit like that. And 486 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:57,400 Speaker 1: now it's a little bit more directed with a political tone. 487 00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,280 Speaker 1: I don't know what's going to happen with that exactly. 488 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 1: You know, Trump is out of office, but trump Ism 489 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 1: is not, so to speak, so maybe there's a way 490 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,639 Speaker 1: to keep that kind of thing up. I tend to 491 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:14,200 Speaker 1: think another change is due where if there's anything he's 492 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,080 Speaker 1: he's just a little bit more selective about how much 493 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 1: he speaks. You know, he doesn't do quite as much 494 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 1: media as he once did, so there's something to be 495 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:27,480 Speaker 1: said for that. But the idea he would tone it 496 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:29,639 Speaker 1: down and become like Connor has become almost like an 497 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:34,920 Speaker 1: elder statesman. I don't. I have a hard time envisioning 498 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 1: Colby in that role. One never knows, but I, you know, 499 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:52,960 Speaker 1: asking me to guess that seems off. Who leaked the 500 00:27:53,000 --> 00:28:01,960 Speaker 1: Barcelona messy contract? I'm gonna guess Barcelona. Can we assign 501 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,600 Speaker 1: b C the homework of having to give at least 502 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,560 Speaker 1: one of the Deadpool movies ago this person rights? I 503 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:11,880 Speaker 1: hate superhero movies too, but those are admittedly amazing reference 504 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:16,720 Speaker 1: a girl who hates superhero movies. Yeah, I would love to. 505 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 1: I would love to. I'll bring it up. We haven't 506 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 1: done a homework assignment in a while. One homework assignment 507 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:24,399 Speaker 1: I want to do is create a Spotify playlist and 508 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,480 Speaker 1: have people vote on his versus mind to which people 509 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,960 Speaker 1: like more, and then, you know, because they're gonna be 510 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,320 Speaker 1: wildly divergent, and really it wouldn't even take which one 511 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 1: was better per se more than just you know, whose 512 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 1: tastes are we more aligned with in terms of the audience, 513 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:39,880 Speaker 1: But I do want to do something that's a little 514 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:45,239 Speaker 1: bit more co mingled. Yeah, I'll bring that up with him. 515 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 1: I'll bring that up with him. Favorite Chris the Crippler 516 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:54,080 Speaker 1: Liban moment. It's got to be when he had those 517 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 1: two fights in like a two week period and one 518 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:02,320 Speaker 1: of them both and it was just, you know, fucking 519 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 1: balls out amazing. So when was that he had Let's 520 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:14,840 Speaker 1: see that was Yeah, he had one against Aaron Simpson, 521 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 1: which he won via in June nineteenth, second round TKO 522 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 1: Aaron Simpson, you know, decorated wrestler. And then July third, 523 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 1: so two and a half weeks maybe three weeks later 524 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 1: something like that. He uh, yeah, he triangle choked Yoshihiro 525 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,400 Speaker 1: Akayama and he had a knockout of the night against 526 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,200 Speaker 1: Aaron Simpson, and then he had fight of the night 527 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:42,400 Speaker 1: against Akayama because if I recall correctly, Akayama had rocked 528 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:44,760 Speaker 1: his shit and he still found a way to come 529 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 1: back and triangle choke him. Those two back to back 530 00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 1: fights were fucking great. Another one was his fight with 531 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:55,160 Speaker 1: Terry Martin, which was on the Thomas versus Florian card. 532 00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 1: He h a bit of a back and forth with Terry. 533 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,160 Speaker 1: Terry Martin was a tough motherfucker man. He had a 534 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,120 Speaker 1: big bit of a back and forth with him, and 535 00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,200 Speaker 1: then he hit Terry Martin. I think it was a 536 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:09,400 Speaker 1: right hook. It was a hooking punch, and Martin went like, 537 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 1: you know, totally spread wide open, Carl Boom Dunza when 538 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,680 Speaker 1: he hit the mat, and you know, Leban's face is 539 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,080 Speaker 1: all fucked up from the fight and he's walking around 540 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,400 Speaker 1: all fucking mean bug. And it was great. It was really, 541 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,400 Speaker 1: really great. It was a great moment by him. You know, 542 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,720 Speaker 1: he had some great wins along the way, you know, 543 00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:32,360 Speaker 1: had some notable losses too, but that was a big one. 544 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,840 Speaker 1: And of course he knocked out Vanderley in like twenty seconds, 545 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:43,760 Speaker 1: so that was big. All right, what do we got? 546 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 1: What do we got? What do we got? Do you 547 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,720 Speaker 1: think that Gilbert staying with the camp that trained Usban 548 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:54,960 Speaker 1: for so long gives him a better advantage than usman 549 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,400 Speaker 1: going to different camps and learning things that Gilbert would 550 00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:03,240 Speaker 1: never dream he would learn. This is such a great question, 551 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:11,880 Speaker 1: and it's insanely difficult to answer. So let's think about this, right. 552 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:15,360 Speaker 1: So I spoke to Rashad today and asked him why 553 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 1: he went to Trevor, and what he was telling me 554 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:19,720 Speaker 1: was everyone knows. The story is that, you know, he 555 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:21,320 Speaker 1: didn't want to be there at the same time as 556 00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:24,200 Speaker 1: Gilbert was. But the other story was for some time 557 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:27,760 Speaker 1: he'd been looking for, you know, another gear to hit, 558 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:32,120 Speaker 1: and he had taken everything that Henry had could teach 559 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,600 Speaker 1: him and had taken it to you know, I mean, 560 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,160 Speaker 1: he won a fucking world title with it. It wasn't 561 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,240 Speaker 1: like Henry let him astray. I mean, Henry did a 562 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,240 Speaker 1: great job. And of course that's all the work that 563 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,280 Speaker 1: Comarda did. I just mean the partnership was, you know, 564 00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:47,560 Speaker 1: it was very fruitful, right, I think it's a pretty 565 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:50,600 Speaker 1: fair way to put it, very very fruitful partnership. And 566 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:53,840 Speaker 1: but the way Rashad explained to me was he was 567 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,880 Speaker 1: still looking at that point afterwards for you know, how 568 00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:58,800 Speaker 1: do I level up? What are some ways I could 569 00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,440 Speaker 1: shake things up? And so the fight with Gilbert, I 570 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:05,160 Speaker 1: guess was the catalyst to make the move, But apparently 571 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:09,280 Speaker 1: there had been a desire to do that maybe beforehand, 572 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:10,960 Speaker 1: which is to say he I think, has you know, 573 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,480 Speaker 1: forever left that team. I don't know if that's the case. 574 00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:16,840 Speaker 1: But just to say that that it's not strictly a 575 00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:20,080 Speaker 1: function of of this fight and no more, no less. 576 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 1: And so you have to ask yourself, what does Trevor 577 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:28,000 Speaker 1: Whitman bring to Camaro that would be really important? And 578 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:29,760 Speaker 1: to me the answer is and I bought the I 579 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,920 Speaker 1: want to give a shout out, you know, I say 580 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:34,480 Speaker 1: so to people ask me if I've trained, Yes, I 581 00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:38,040 Speaker 1: trained for about ten years overall, right, I do not 582 00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,200 Speaker 1: train now forty one and you know, with COVID and 583 00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:43,280 Speaker 1: in my age and everything else, there's just no real time. 584 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:47,520 Speaker 1: But this is my this is my view on how 585 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:49,920 Speaker 1: to understand how to fight. Obviously you have to do it. 586 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:52,240 Speaker 1: But if you just want to train to get some 587 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:56,320 Speaker 1: of the basics down there, there is no substitute for training. 588 00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:58,800 Speaker 1: There's no substitute for it. You have to do it 589 00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:02,600 Speaker 1: if you really want to under fighting. However, these kinds 590 00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:06,960 Speaker 1: of videos can always be a good compliment to other things. 591 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:10,080 Speaker 1: It's not a substitute, but it can be a good compliment. 592 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:13,800 Speaker 1: Especially and here's what's really valuable to get an insight 593 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:17,480 Speaker 1: into a particular coach's way of doing things, or not 594 00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:19,480 Speaker 1: even a coach like you know, whoever the video is 595 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,600 Speaker 1: Whoever's hold in the video? Oh, here's a guillotine series 596 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:26,080 Speaker 1: by whoever the fuck this is. Uh, you know, footwork, drills, 597 00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,320 Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah. You know whoever it's about. You 598 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,760 Speaker 1: get a sort of insight into how their combative mind works. 599 00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:34,920 Speaker 1: So I got the Trevor Whitman one. And you know, 600 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:36,960 Speaker 1: you could see this through justin Gaegee, but you just 601 00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,760 Speaker 1: don't realize how much. And you know, I watch so 602 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:43,920 Speaker 1: many striking videos and so many striking tutorials, and I've 603 00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,720 Speaker 1: been to striking seminars and blah blah blah blah blah, 604 00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:51,600 Speaker 1: and all of them share the same ideas to an extent. 605 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,160 Speaker 1: But the emphasis, and I cannot be clear about this, 606 00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:59,760 Speaker 1: the emphasis that Trevor Whitman puts on footwork and what 607 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:04,200 Speaker 1: footwork does for your angles, what footwork does for your balance, 608 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:10,400 Speaker 1: What footwork does for your ability to cover or distance 609 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,640 Speaker 1: either forward to backwards or you know, or away from 610 00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:15,400 Speaker 1: the target or towards the target. I should say, not 611 00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:22,520 Speaker 1: really linear. What footwork does for essentially everything and setting 612 00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:26,880 Speaker 1: up your offense. I don't think I have personally witnessed 613 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:30,520 Speaker 1: a coach who emphasizes this emphasizes it as much as 614 00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:34,319 Speaker 1: he does, which is to say that there aren't any 615 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:38,880 Speaker 1: that's not the claim. But you know, I've seen a 616 00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:46,919 Speaker 1: dozen striking instructionals from strikers or coaches. None, none, none, none, 617 00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:51,000 Speaker 1: are as footwork intensive as him. And that doesn't mean 618 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:53,279 Speaker 1: that their feet are always in motion like they're doing 619 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:57,279 Speaker 1: dominant cruise drills. That's actually not the point. Although you know, 620 00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:59,839 Speaker 1: certainly your feet are going to be probably in motion, 621 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,239 Speaker 1: in motion more than someone who's like a you know, 622 00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:07,279 Speaker 1: work on these five combinations kind of thing. But in 623 00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:14,319 Speaker 1: terms of anchor, stepping, slipping, rolling, stepovers, carrying the hip, 624 00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:22,480 Speaker 1: you know, switching, shifting, you know everything. Dude, he is 625 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:27,160 Speaker 1: so big, so big on footwork, and he's got a 626 00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:30,760 Speaker 1: whole system built that I'm about halfway done with his instructional, 627 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:32,560 Speaker 1: and again that's probably just a fraction of the shit 628 00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:35,560 Speaker 1: he teaches them and beyond. I mean, I'm the one percent. 629 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:37,680 Speaker 1: But it does give you a sense. So you're asking 630 00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:39,680 Speaker 1: what kul Kamara pick up from that You've seen it 631 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,279 Speaker 1: in Justin Geigee. In fact, Justin Gai Chee is his 632 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,560 Speaker 1: training partner in this video, and so Gei Chee executes 633 00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:49,680 Speaker 1: everything that Trevor Whitman asks him to do, and you 634 00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:56,200 Speaker 1: can watch Geatechee do it. Dude, it's impressive. It's extremely impressive. Again, 635 00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:58,719 Speaker 1: watching that doesn't mean you know, you can be like 636 00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:00,759 Speaker 1: Neo and the Matrix and be like I know, kung Fu. 637 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:02,840 Speaker 1: It's not the point, but it does give you a 638 00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:06,080 Speaker 1: window in if I watch another person's instructional on like 639 00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:09,320 Speaker 1: their foundations of striking. Footwork will play a role. To 640 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,120 Speaker 1: be sure, they all know that, they all know, you know, 641 00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,440 Speaker 1: hit him at angles and you have to be balanced 642 00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:18,120 Speaker 1: underneath yourself and they know all of that. But the 643 00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:24,799 Speaker 1: way which he emphasizes footwork as a core foundation for everything, 644 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:29,000 Speaker 1: it is significantly more pronounced with him. I don't know 645 00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:31,719 Speaker 1: how quickly Kumar who can absorb that. It took some 646 00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:34,680 Speaker 1: time for just Engagee to absorb that, including through losses. 647 00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:37,920 Speaker 1: But if you're asking what he might provide a relative 648 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:45,600 Speaker 1: to other coaches, the the emphasis of that and then 649 00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,680 Speaker 1: using that with his wrestling, to me is probably what 650 00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:50,920 Speaker 1: I'm going to be looking for most to what extent, 651 00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:52,960 Speaker 1: because he's always been a bit of a step and slider, 652 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:56,560 Speaker 1: which I think works for what Trevor Whitman teaches. He's 653 00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,120 Speaker 1: not the kind of you know, karate style, bounce, bounced, 654 00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:01,440 Speaker 1: you know, blitz kind. That's really not what he is. 655 00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:05,800 Speaker 1: He is much more about bringing what works from boxing 656 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:09,480 Speaker 1: in mma. And when you see the depth of detail 657 00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:13,440 Speaker 1: on footwork that that guy teaches, it's another level. It's 658 00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:17,120 Speaker 1: several other levels. Again. So if there are other coaches 659 00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:20,279 Speaker 1: who teach that level of detail with footwork, god bless them. 660 00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,320 Speaker 1: But I've not seen a whole lot of evidence of that. 661 00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:25,560 Speaker 1: I see a lot of you know, step this way 662 00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:28,160 Speaker 1: and step that way, and make sure your feet are 663 00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,160 Speaker 1: under you, and balance this way and balance that way, 664 00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,560 Speaker 1: all things that are very important, but it's a lot 665 00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,320 Speaker 1: of let's work on this combination. Let's work on this combination, 666 00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:39,320 Speaker 1: whereas Whitman is like, Okay, let's work on some combos, 667 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,759 Speaker 1: but first let's work on what position you need to 668 00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,440 Speaker 1: be in for the combos to work, and where your 669 00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:47,640 Speaker 1: feet need to be and why your feet need to 670 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:49,920 Speaker 1: be there, and how you can develop a footwork system 671 00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,320 Speaker 1: that enables you to never get out of position, to 672 00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,360 Speaker 1: have your weight under you, to be both offensive and 673 00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:56,600 Speaker 1: defensive when you need it, and to be in a 674 00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:59,279 Speaker 1: flow state the whole time. It's everything starts with the 675 00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:02,160 Speaker 1: feet and then works up, whereas a lot of times 676 00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:04,919 Speaker 1: everything works, you know, we're here's our end goal about 677 00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,040 Speaker 1: where we want to be in the feet play a role. 678 00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:09,400 Speaker 1: It's different. It's like it's like, you know, it's like 679 00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:11,080 Speaker 1: the feet are just sort of part of the equation, 680 00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:15,080 Speaker 1: which is in this case, they root everything with Trevor 681 00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:21,279 Speaker 1: Whitman h u und BC ever thought about doing a 682 00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:25,839 Speaker 1: watch along live stream during a UFC event. Yeah, we've 683 00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,000 Speaker 1: talked about that. We've talked about that. I don't want 684 00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:33,120 Speaker 1: to do that if we're not in person together because 685 00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:36,759 Speaker 1: I just feel like it'd be weird. That's something that 686 00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,200 Speaker 1: you should be like, there should be another person in 687 00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:42,200 Speaker 1: the room with you. You know, if and when we 688 00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:44,640 Speaker 1: can get these fucking vaccines and we can move on 689 00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,680 Speaker 1: with our lives that way, I'd like to have people 690 00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,399 Speaker 1: like in the DC area, like come to my house 691 00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:53,239 Speaker 1: or something and we could film that. I'd be much more, 692 00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,880 Speaker 1: you know, and there's good people who you know, I 693 00:38:55,960 --> 00:39:01,399 Speaker 1: know who could do a good job with that. Prefer 694 00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:03,120 Speaker 1: to have BC if I had it. But if he's 695 00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:04,759 Speaker 1: gonna be a Connecticut I'm gonna be in DC. I'd 696 00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:14,640 Speaker 1: rather just have another person here. You know, you once 697 00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:17,879 Speaker 1: mentioned taking the world's biggest l on a military base. 698 00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:20,040 Speaker 1: Are you ever going to tell us that story? I 699 00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:23,560 Speaker 1: think the agreement was if I got to two hundred 700 00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,680 Speaker 1: K on my personal channel, So you guys put me 701 00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:28,480 Speaker 1: at two hundred K, and I think I'll tell that story. 702 00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:41,160 Speaker 1: What was your reaction when reading Connor's breakdown of his fight, 703 00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:44,200 Speaker 1: especially the part where he blatantly starts promoting his recovery 704 00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:47,200 Speaker 1: spray in the middle of it. It's just, even after 705 00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:50,080 Speaker 1: reading his breakdown of the Habib fight, this felt somehow 706 00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:54,239 Speaker 1: even more detached from reality, even when thinking from the 707 00:39:54,320 --> 00:40:00,319 Speaker 1: perspective of fighters needing to have that belief in themselves. Yeah. Yeah, 708 00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:01,920 Speaker 1: I don't know what to make of that. In some ways, 709 00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:10,360 Speaker 1: it almost felt like do you ever watch either on YouTube, 710 00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:15,360 Speaker 1: art Instagram, some like famous influencer and they're telling like 711 00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:19,400 Speaker 1: this this video is about you know, skincare or fucking 712 00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,880 Speaker 1: haircutting or whatever, and then the middle of it it's 713 00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:24,600 Speaker 1: like and this this, you know, is brought to you 714 00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,800 Speaker 1: by an ord VPN or something, and they go on 715 00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,640 Speaker 1: some long fucking tangent about the sponsor of the video. 716 00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:32,960 Speaker 1: And you know, it's like, these are people who are 717 00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:36,719 Speaker 1: basically living completely vacuous lives, like their whole goal is 718 00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,200 Speaker 1: just celebrity for the sake of it. I don't think 719 00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:41,600 Speaker 1: it's what Connor's doing, but it reminded me of that 720 00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:47,040 Speaker 1: a little. It felt like an influencer just selling some 721 00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:50,080 Speaker 1: shit and using, you know, something that would otherwise grab 722 00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,480 Speaker 1: your attention to do it, which was obvious. But the 723 00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:54,400 Speaker 1: people who do that typically again is that they live 724 00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:57,040 Speaker 1: these vacuous lives. And I was like, Jesus, really, Connor, like, 725 00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:01,080 Speaker 1: you know, what do I make of it? He has 726 00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:03,520 Speaker 1: a good attitude, you know about the loss, which I 727 00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:06,920 Speaker 1: guess is good. It's like, I don't know what to 728 00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:08,719 Speaker 1: make of it. On the one hand, do you want 729 00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:14,719 Speaker 1: to overreact or feel like you're overreacting and say that 730 00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:19,200 Speaker 1: because he's taking this almost influencer approach to you know, 731 00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:23,800 Speaker 1: a pretty serious moment in his career that he doesn't 732 00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:27,200 Speaker 1: have this burning desire to fix maybe some of the 733 00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:29,400 Speaker 1: problems that got him there. I think that's one interpretation. 734 00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:32,959 Speaker 1: Another one is, listen, the guy's hustling, he's making cash, 735 00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:35,160 Speaker 1: don't overthink it. He still wants to go out there, 736 00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,640 Speaker 1: and put it on him. The only way to really 737 00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:39,680 Speaker 1: tell in this fight game is people will say whatever 738 00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:41,359 Speaker 1: they want, they will do whatever they want, and there 739 00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:43,960 Speaker 1: can be red flags. This one was a little red 740 00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:48,200 Speaker 1: flag ish. It's just what they show you in the fight. 741 00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:51,440 Speaker 1: I mean, everything else means nothing. All the shit they 742 00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:54,080 Speaker 1: say at press conferences, all the shit they say in interviews, 743 00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:56,520 Speaker 1: and sometimes they can be right in the interviews, which 744 00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:58,160 Speaker 1: we've been over before. It's why I'm hesitant to do 745 00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:00,319 Speaker 1: with them. I mean, to me, Poirier strike me as 746 00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,359 Speaker 1: an honest broker. You know, he's not going to say 747 00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:07,719 Speaker 1: things he doesn't believe, or he's not going to make 748 00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:12,040 Speaker 1: exaggerated claims for the sake of media attention, not in 749 00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:15,359 Speaker 1: a usually significant way. So I like talking to him. 750 00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:20,040 Speaker 1: But you know, in general, all that stuff means nothing. 751 00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:22,160 Speaker 1: It doesn't, it means fuck all. The only thing that 752 00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:24,879 Speaker 1: tells you what is actually happening with them and whether 753 00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:26,359 Speaker 1: they take it seriously, is what happens when the gate 754 00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:28,600 Speaker 1: closes and then the bell rings and then they go. 755 00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:33,839 Speaker 1: So if you got a weird feeling from it where 756 00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,920 Speaker 1: you didn't detect a burning desire to fix what was wrong, 757 00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:39,719 Speaker 1: and that you know what you really came away with 758 00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:42,560 Speaker 1: was this guy was hawking a product. Yeah. I got 759 00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:45,640 Speaker 1: that feeling too. Does that tell you that, even though 760 00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:49,719 Speaker 1: there's a trilogy, he's automatically going to lose because he's 761 00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,040 Speaker 1: not his head's not in the game anymore. I don't 762 00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:56,120 Speaker 1: think that's a totally unfair I don't think that's a 763 00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:59,200 Speaker 1: totally unfair reading, to be honest with you. But there's 764 00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:01,480 Speaker 1: just no way to know. We have we have to see, 765 00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:03,400 Speaker 1: we have to see. But if he goes out there 766 00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:06,440 Speaker 1: and you know, he gets flattened again, yeah, I mean 767 00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:09,600 Speaker 1: at that point you can just say either the game's 768 00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:11,960 Speaker 1: passed him by or he's marched in being a salesman. 769 00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,640 Speaker 1: And listen, man, I don't even say it like it's pejorative. 770 00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:18,040 Speaker 1: You know, if you don't want to do it anymore, 771 00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:21,080 Speaker 1: you don't want to do it anymore. You know, Uh, 772 00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:26,239 Speaker 1: you can't, you can't. You can't make a guy want 773 00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:29,440 Speaker 1: to do something this fucking difficult, and it's not like 774 00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:32,839 Speaker 1: he didn't achieve a fuck ton doing it. I don't 775 00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:36,600 Speaker 1: anyway judge somebody who who if that's the place he's in, 776 00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:39,440 Speaker 1: we'll have to see. So I don't want to overlease. 777 00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:41,520 Speaker 1: You know all you know this, this is a fucking 778 00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:44,600 Speaker 1: end of Connor McGregor. Ah. I don't want to get 779 00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:50,880 Speaker 1: into that space, but I did read it being like, okay, 780 00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:54,520 Speaker 1: not the typical way somebody who wants to be a 781 00:43:54,600 --> 00:44:03,319 Speaker 1: champion takes a loss. You know, hey, Look, what are 782 00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:06,239 Speaker 1: some surprising, little known early career bouts that current and 783 00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:08,520 Speaker 1: former UFC fighters have. A good one that I know 784 00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:11,800 Speaker 1: of is that Jorge Masidol's first professional loss was to 785 00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:15,719 Speaker 1: high fi Al Sunsal at lightweight in two thousand and five. Well, 786 00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:17,840 Speaker 1: it's a great example. I haven't looked that up, but 787 00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:21,239 Speaker 1: that sounds right. Also, what are some recent within the 788 00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:23,560 Speaker 1: last few years fights that I've had outcomes which surprised you? 789 00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:27,640 Speaker 1: Not necessarily just upsets, although it can include those, but 790 00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:29,480 Speaker 1: maybe fights that played out stylistical in the way you 791 00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:33,200 Speaker 1: didn't anticipate. It's a little harder because I've seen so many. 792 00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:35,759 Speaker 1: But you know a fight I watched the other day. 793 00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:40,080 Speaker 1: You guys know the AKA trainer, crazy Bob Cook. He 794 00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:42,919 Speaker 1: has no Crazy Bob Cook. I mean he's the bald 795 00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:46,240 Speaker 1: guy who's been in the corner for every AKA product, 796 00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:52,960 Speaker 1: Cosh check, Fitch Velasquez, Rock Hold, Fucking Cormier, all of them, 797 00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:56,440 Speaker 1: you know, any one of those guys. You see Crazy 798 00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:59,200 Speaker 1: Bob Cook out there. Bob Cook had one fight in 799 00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:03,000 Speaker 1: the UFC and it was against Tiki Ghosen. What's interesting 800 00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:06,280 Speaker 1: about that fight is Cook it was a Frank Shamrock 801 00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:11,280 Speaker 1: product at the time, and Ghoson was a Tito Ortiz product. 802 00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:14,000 Speaker 1: And this was, I think, after my memory is right, 803 00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:18,279 Speaker 1: this was after the Ortiz Frank Shamrock Ropodope fight where 804 00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:20,600 Speaker 1: Frank Shamrock kind of let Ortiz hammer him for a 805 00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:24,799 Speaker 1: little bit. Ortiz gassed and then Frank Shamrock came back 806 00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:28,319 Speaker 1: around to put it on him, and then Ghoson and Uh, 807 00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:32,320 Speaker 1: Crazy Bob Cook fought and Ghostson nearly stopped him, and 808 00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:35,200 Speaker 1: then they go the second round and then Bob Cook 809 00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:37,920 Speaker 1: got him down, passed him out, and then choked him out. 810 00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:40,320 Speaker 1: But what was interesting is they were they were playing 811 00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:43,400 Speaker 1: the sort of the next generation of talent angle the 812 00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:46,240 Speaker 1: UFC was, which I thought was pretty smart. But Ghoson 813 00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:49,880 Speaker 1: is now a manager and Bob Cook is now a trainer, 814 00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:52,800 Speaker 1: you know, so the fight game comes full circle. Tito 815 00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:58,879 Speaker 1: is Uh is a fucking city councilor and the worst 816 00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:02,279 Speaker 1: version of it you can imagine. And Frank is doing 817 00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:04,120 Speaker 1: what the fuck Frank is doing? I hope not leaving 818 00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:14,840 Speaker 1: any more dogs in airports. All right, let's see. I 819 00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:17,759 Speaker 1: know this is a hypothetical stretch, but if killed you Horigucci, 820 00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:21,880 Speaker 1: Demetrius Johnson, and Henry Sehuda were to rejoin the UFC's 821 00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:26,000 Speaker 1: flyweight division, combined with the new talent of the division, 822 00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:29,240 Speaker 1: would the flyweight division be considered one of the UFC's 823 00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:38,520 Speaker 1: best well by observers in the know, probably, although they 824 00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:41,680 Speaker 1: got to mean, would it be better than bansamweight? Maybe 825 00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:44,640 Speaker 1: you'd have more established talent I think at the top 826 00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:47,560 Speaker 1: with that, but I don't know if it'd be as deep. 827 00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:54,080 Speaker 1: Same with featherweight, fly or lightweight out so much walter 828 00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:58,759 Speaker 1: weight debatable, middle weight you know, not the best. Light 829 00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:02,600 Speaker 1: heavyweight's a mess, uh and then heavyweight, you know, sort 830 00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:04,600 Speaker 1: of top heavy. Yeah, it would certainly be in the 831 00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:08,280 Speaker 1: conversation at that point. I don't think it would change 832 00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:10,160 Speaker 1: the depth of the division, but it would mean you'd 833 00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:14,800 Speaker 1: have these like really revered accomplished figures and pound for 834 00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:23,200 Speaker 1: pound greats sitting at the top. Okay, it's a weird thing. 835 00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:45,840 Speaker 1: I'm not going to read. Let's see, it's unlikely, but 836 00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:48,000 Speaker 1: if Izzy and Uspan were to ever meet at one 837 00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:50,160 Speaker 1: eighty five, how do you see that fight playing out? 838 00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:53,399 Speaker 1: Uspin is a huge welterweight with great wrestling, and Izzy 839 00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:57,640 Speaker 1: obviously has next level striking and great takedown defence. It's interesting. 840 00:47:57,680 --> 00:47:59,960 Speaker 1: I tend to think that Atasanya with stuff to take down, 841 00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,000 Speaker 1: it's a little bit more easily than folks might imagine, 842 00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:05,080 Speaker 1: Which doesn't to say that Usbin wouldn't get him down. Eventually, 843 00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:07,560 Speaker 1: he might, but I feel like there'd be a lot 844 00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:14,800 Speaker 1: of stall positions, and I feel like in the interim 845 00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:16,799 Speaker 1: out of signing we be able to do a little 846 00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:19,680 Speaker 1: bit more damage, such that like Usbin might win some 847 00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:23,120 Speaker 1: of the control, but there would be a noticeable lack 848 00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:26,800 Speaker 1: of damage all the way around to help to dissuade 849 00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:34,520 Speaker 1: the judges from giving him rounds or overall the fight. Hey, look, 850 00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:38,320 Speaker 1: would you say that UFC champion styles are cyclic the 851 00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:43,040 Speaker 1: prevailing styles come in waves? Or are these purely coincidental? 852 00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:46,359 Speaker 1: I e. A wave of wrestlers become champions, then get 853 00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:48,719 Speaker 1: replaced by strikers, and then the cycle continues throughout the 854 00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:51,359 Speaker 1: weight divisions. Well, there's a lot of things happening. One 855 00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:55,480 Speaker 1: is that there's the sport is a little bit different 856 00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:57,920 Speaker 1: now where you had these wrestlers coming in at a 857 00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:00,600 Speaker 1: certain time, and then other wrestlers looking for an opportunity 858 00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:02,960 Speaker 1: to make some money. Word got around or they could 859 00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:04,520 Speaker 1: just witness on their own, and then there was this 860 00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:07,560 Speaker 1: major influx because you could see how well collegiate and 861 00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:10,799 Speaker 1: freestyle wrestling would translate. So there was that, and then 862 00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:14,000 Speaker 1: best practices caught up where wrestling became much more well 863 00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:17,800 Speaker 1: known across all of MA, which made striking reinforced and 864 00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:22,440 Speaker 1: sort of sublimated jiu jitsu to a degree. So there 865 00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:24,320 Speaker 1: was that, I don't want to call it a problem 866 00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:27,560 Speaker 1: with that reality, and yes, that changes over time as 867 00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:30,000 Speaker 1: each new set of best practices. You know, the fence 868 00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:33,080 Speaker 1: wasn't nearly as valuable a tool to hold someone up 869 00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:35,759 Speaker 1: against to get takedowns. Takedoms used to be pursued in 870 00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:38,000 Speaker 1: the open much more and now they're not so so 871 00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:41,759 Speaker 1: the games that people play with the individual styles then began. 872 00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:46,120 Speaker 1: It was sort of like at the at the skill 873 00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:48,920 Speaker 1: set level, and then the skill set became much more 874 00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:54,759 Speaker 1: a function of the particular tactical you know, choice that 875 00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:57,520 Speaker 1: someone was making in a fight surface area, and you 876 00:49:57,560 --> 00:49:59,040 Speaker 1: know that kind of a timing and that kind of 877 00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:03,080 Speaker 1: a thing. Where where was this particular skill set being 878 00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:08,880 Speaker 1: applied in what manner right that tends to be you know, 879 00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:12,319 Speaker 1: this sort of take turns kind of thing. But also 880 00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:16,360 Speaker 1: like there's just a lot of copycatism. You know, no 881 00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:18,280 Speaker 1: one did a front kick to the face until Silva 882 00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:20,759 Speaker 1: did it, and then boom, you're just seeing it, I 883 00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:22,680 Speaker 1: want to say, all the time, but it's not uncommon. 884 00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:24,600 Speaker 1: You're seeing it on the fucking Contender series. Who was that? 885 00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:26,560 Speaker 1: I think it was a Chilean kid who did it. 886 00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:29,000 Speaker 1: You know, you're seeing it at that level, and he 887 00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:31,880 Speaker 1: did a great version of it. It's it's something that 888 00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:35,600 Speaker 1: is people just pick up on and then share and 889 00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:38,520 Speaker 1: so everyone begins to use it, or you know, it 890 00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:41,840 Speaker 1: becomes widespread enough, I should say, so that it becomes 891 00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:43,759 Speaker 1: effective for a while, and then people work around it 892 00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:45,760 Speaker 1: and they develop a new technique or a new strategy 893 00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:48,200 Speaker 1: or a new sort of style of fighting that works 894 00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:50,200 Speaker 1: around that problem and so forth. So it's sick, like, 895 00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:53,680 Speaker 1: you know, in the sense that the predominant styles tend 896 00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:57,480 Speaker 1: to have moments in the sun. That is true, But 897 00:50:57,560 --> 00:51:00,799 Speaker 1: I don't know that it's like, you know, I don't 898 00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:03,600 Speaker 1: know that it's perfectly circular where everyone gets an equal 899 00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:05,759 Speaker 1: share over time. I tend to think what happened was 900 00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:10,080 Speaker 1: you have this onslaught of good athletes from a wrestling 901 00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:12,920 Speaker 1: base that changed the game. But at that point then 902 00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:16,200 Speaker 1: it became a series of practices, and once the practices changed, 903 00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:19,879 Speaker 1: you know you've got good athletes. Now. I mean it's 904 00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:21,759 Speaker 1: hard to be any it's hard to do well without 905 00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:25,120 Speaker 1: really good athleticism at the UFC level. What the differences 906 00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:30,600 Speaker 1: are now are these other more granular changes, you know, 907 00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:33,920 Speaker 1: with for Trevor Whitman and his footwork, or you know 908 00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:38,080 Speaker 1: Habib with his fence wrestling and working with risk control 909 00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:41,799 Speaker 1: and all that kind of stuff. It's it's about tactical decisions, 910 00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:45,040 Speaker 1: how scalable they are, how many people like can you 911 00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:48,640 Speaker 1: take what someone else does and reproduce it? And how 912 00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:52,239 Speaker 1: valuable is that as a consequence? And you know that 913 00:51:52,480 --> 00:52:01,600 Speaker 1: tends to I think turn the screw. Did you see 914 00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:04,759 Speaker 1: Rogan's podcast with MMA referee Mark Smith? I did not. 915 00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:06,960 Speaker 1: I saw that he was on there. I've not heard 916 00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:15,480 Speaker 1: it yet. When does the documentary come out? I think 917 00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:19,920 Speaker 1: next week maybe a week after that. Why is Habib 918 00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:22,360 Speaker 1: chasing the GSP fight? I don't give a fuck anymore. 919 00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:26,520 Speaker 1: I just don't give a fuck. I said it ard 920 00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:29,719 Speaker 1: yesterday's show. I understand why people want to fight. It'd 921 00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:34,120 Speaker 1: be great if they made it for do I need 922 00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:35,520 Speaker 1: to tell you why it'd be great. We've been over 923 00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:39,040 Speaker 1: this a million fucking times, but you know this constant 924 00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:42,920 Speaker 1: maybe maybe maybe at some point it's like, dude, you know, 925 00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:45,120 Speaker 1: just let me know if it's real or not, and 926 00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:47,960 Speaker 1: and actually just let me know if it's real and 927 00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:50,239 Speaker 1: if it's just a maybe until then that I don't 928 00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:53,680 Speaker 1: care anymore, you know, I I get that. You know, 929 00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:56,040 Speaker 1: there's this idea of people want what they can have, 930 00:52:56,400 --> 00:53:00,760 Speaker 1: and there's this idea of that would be a crown jewel. 931 00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:03,719 Speaker 1: I get it. I understand. I understand why people want it. 932 00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:06,400 Speaker 1: But if you're if you're a if you're a casual fan, 933 00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:08,000 Speaker 1: this is different. But if you're a fan who is 934 00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:11,080 Speaker 1: like really invested, if you're a hardcore even semi hardcore, 935 00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:14,200 Speaker 1: and you get UFC action week in week out, and 936 00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:17,000 Speaker 1: you understand the depth of what you're getting and now 937 00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:18,880 Speaker 1: Belatar looks like they're gonna start up here in what 938 00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:23,080 Speaker 1: April or something? You got LFA in motion. The sport 939 00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:27,399 Speaker 1: has never been better in terms of best practices. It's like, yes, 940 00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:29,640 Speaker 1: I would love to see the fight too, But dude, 941 00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:31,680 Speaker 1: what is what is missing in your life that you 942 00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:34,640 Speaker 1: just gotta have it? If you're one of those hardcore 943 00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:37,600 Speaker 1: fight fans, there are so many good fights, there are 944 00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:41,280 Speaker 1: so many good athletes, There's so much intrigue and interesting 945 00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:44,800 Speaker 1: things happening, the intense focus. If that is your that 946 00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:48,080 Speaker 1: is your sports fan profile, right, If you're a hardcore 947 00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:52,480 Speaker 1: sports fan, that's your profile. This absurd obsession over a 948 00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:56,160 Speaker 1: fight that still seems quite unlikely, I just don't get. 949 00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:59,600 Speaker 1: I really sorry, I don't, you know. And to me, 950 00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:03,520 Speaker 1: it's like a little bit it's a little bit novicey. 951 00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:06,719 Speaker 1: And I've noticed, by the way, this is not true 952 00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:09,320 Speaker 1: across the board, to be clear, but I have noticed 953 00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:11,439 Speaker 1: that folks who are a little bit more in my camp, 954 00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:15,439 Speaker 1: which is that, you know, some trash talk is nice, 955 00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:19,879 Speaker 1: can be fun, you know, But really what I'm watching 956 00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:22,040 Speaker 1: fights for is because I actually like watching fights. I 957 00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:24,200 Speaker 1: like the science of it, I like the brutality of it. 958 00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:28,360 Speaker 1: I like the marriage of the two. I get a 959 00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:32,480 Speaker 1: lot more fulfillment from watching fights such that whatever I 960 00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:35,319 Speaker 1: would get from GSP versus SABIB, which would be substantial. 961 00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:40,080 Speaker 1: And while it would be substantial, don't I don't need 962 00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:44,120 Speaker 1: that to be fulfilled. You could get so much fulfillment 963 00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:47,319 Speaker 1: from all of these other places. You just don't really 964 00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:52,160 Speaker 1: need that. You know, it'd be nice to have, But 965 00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:54,840 Speaker 1: you know, to me, it's like, it's like having a 966 00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:57,120 Speaker 1: fleet full of automobiles. It's like, wouldn't it be great 967 00:54:57,160 --> 00:55:00,759 Speaker 1: to have another tesla, a one that you know, you know, 968 00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:04,239 Speaker 1: I could go one hundred miles an hour and two 969 00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:08,440 Speaker 1: seconds and every time you drive you get RoadHead and 970 00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:10,160 Speaker 1: be like, yeah, due, they'd be sick. They'd be sick. 971 00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:12,960 Speaker 1: It'd be awesome, right, I mean, it would make go 972 00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:16,400 Speaker 1: into the grocery store a very different experience. But do 973 00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:18,719 Speaker 1: I need that? No? I don't fucking need that. You know. 974 00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:27,640 Speaker 1: I noticed that UNBC push for likes and subs on 975 00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:30,200 Speaker 1: YouTube very hard, but tend not to mention Spotify or 976 00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:34,200 Speaker 1: Apple or other podcasting platforms. Are the streaming apps not 977 00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:35,920 Speaker 1: an important part of the business model? No, they are 978 00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:39,279 Speaker 1: they are. I'm intensely focused on YouTube, and frankly, I 979 00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:43,440 Speaker 1: understand the YouTube business model more than significantly more than 980 00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:51,719 Speaker 1: I understand just a pure audio podcasting world. So it 981 00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:54,640 Speaker 1: just comes a lot more naturally for me as a consequence. 982 00:55:54,680 --> 00:56:03,720 Speaker 1: But no, those are valuable as well more GSP questions. 983 00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:12,719 Speaker 1: I don't give a shit. Wasn't Venom supposed to be 984 00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:16,759 Speaker 1: the UFC's official outfitting partner starting in twenty twenty one? 985 00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:20,759 Speaker 1: The first three events of the year had regular old 986 00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:26,960 Speaker 1: he Bock. There are two replies to this. That's a 987 00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:31,120 Speaker 1: great question. I do not know the answer to that. 988 00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:33,600 Speaker 1: I thought so too. Now Rebok was still going to 989 00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:37,560 Speaker 1: make the shoes because Venom doesn't make the shoes. Boy, 990 00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:40,480 Speaker 1: that's a fucking great question. Let's see when is that 991 00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:44,600 Speaker 1: supposed to go into effect? Ah, April twenty twenty one. 992 00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:49,600 Speaker 1: There you go. That's why April twenty twenty one. They 993 00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:51,480 Speaker 1: need time to get that in order. It's like the 994 00:56:51,560 --> 00:57:02,359 Speaker 1: vaccine roll out. He came to do that shit, Willie Neily, Hey, Look, 995 00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:05,400 Speaker 1: did the Holloway Volkanovski rematch have any effect on how 996 00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:09,319 Speaker 1: you view possible rematches and the adjustments a fighter can make? 997 00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:10,880 Speaker 1: You were one of the few who saw Alex as 998 00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:13,480 Speaker 1: a big threat to Max in the first one and 999 00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:15,840 Speaker 1: were proved right. But then it seemed in the rematch 1000 00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:18,280 Speaker 1: you didn't see a way Max could close the gap, 1001 00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:21,640 Speaker 1: and he did. Yeah, it's a fair characterization. That was 1002 00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:23,560 Speaker 1: a failure of my own imagination. And you know, part 1003 00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:27,320 Speaker 1: of the reasons I had praised holloway striking all the 1004 00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:29,840 Speaker 1: way back to the Monday Morning Analyst days were that 1005 00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:31,640 Speaker 1: as I me. I think I even said it on 1006 00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:35,080 Speaker 1: Monday Morning Analysts explicitly, because now I had done various 1007 00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:36,920 Speaker 1: episodes on Max. I'm not sure which one that it is, 1008 00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:40,120 Speaker 1: but I called him a very modular striker. You guys, ever, 1009 00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:43,120 Speaker 1: seeing an AR fifteen and AR fifteen is a very 1010 00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:45,160 Speaker 1: modular weapon because of the ways in which you can 1011 00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:49,520 Speaker 1: customize it for any number of things and sites, grip, 1012 00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:55,560 Speaker 1: you know, whatever. There's just a lot you can add 1013 00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:58,520 Speaker 1: or subtract from it to make it whatever model that 1014 00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:02,280 Speaker 1: you would like. His striking was a lot like that. 1015 00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:04,880 Speaker 1: In fact, more recently, it just became clear to me 1016 00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:09,360 Speaker 1: through the it was hard to notice him after the 1017 00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:11,800 Speaker 1: first of all, it was hard for me to realize 1018 00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:15,160 Speaker 1: that this was how I say this. I lost sight 1019 00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:19,240 Speaker 1: of this after the first Volkanovski fight. The second Volkanowski 1020 00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:22,320 Speaker 1: fight was a reminder, and then the Cater fight was 1021 00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:25,680 Speaker 1: a was a sledgehammer over the head. I've called Max 1022 00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:28,200 Speaker 1: Holloway the heir to GSP in the following sense, and 1023 00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:31,200 Speaker 1: again I realized an mma. Anytime you make a comparison, 1024 00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:33,680 Speaker 1: people think every element of one comparison has to be 1025 00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:37,000 Speaker 1: identical in every way to the other thing you're comparing. 1026 00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:39,160 Speaker 1: It's not what I'm trying to say. It is not 1027 00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:41,520 Speaker 1: a totalizing comparison. But the thing I am trying to 1028 00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:44,840 Speaker 1: say is GSP had a skill set and it was 1029 00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:47,720 Speaker 1: wide ranging, and he would use more towards the end 1030 00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:48,960 Speaker 1: of his career. It was a lot of wrestling, But 1031 00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:51,720 Speaker 1: the point being was he would take what he had, 1032 00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:55,280 Speaker 1: he would sharpen it up overall every time, and then 1033 00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:59,160 Speaker 1: he would tailor it just so for each individual fight. 1034 00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:02,800 Speaker 1: A radical change. But I'm going to use this particular 1035 00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:06,080 Speaker 1: tactics and this particular setups and these particular you know, 1036 00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:08,920 Speaker 1: moments and fights to go for things. And it had 1037 00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:11,120 Speaker 1: this effect of having sort of his modular game plan. 1038 00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:13,200 Speaker 1: He could just build the right game plan even though 1039 00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:14,920 Speaker 1: you kind of knew what he was good and bad at. 1040 00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:17,360 Speaker 1: He would focus on just the right things. He would 1041 00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:19,440 Speaker 1: set things up just the way he needed to, and 1042 00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:23,439 Speaker 1: it was tailored each time for a different opponent. Max 1043 00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:26,240 Speaker 1: does that in a narrower sense in terms of, like 1044 00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:29,200 Speaker 1: you know, he does mostly striking, if not almost exclusively striking, 1045 00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:33,800 Speaker 1: although there's some grind and pound to be had or 1046 00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:36,920 Speaker 1: even some clinch fighting on occasion, but he does that 1047 00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:39,200 Speaker 1: with his striking. Like you know, if you go back 1048 00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:40,680 Speaker 1: and look at the way he fought Audo the first 1049 00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:43,200 Speaker 1: and second time, you know, one of the major differences 1050 00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:45,360 Speaker 1: he circled one way into Aldo the first time, and 1051 00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:48,320 Speaker 1: then circled the very opposite way the next time, really 1052 00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:51,520 Speaker 1: changing up. I mean, that's a major difference that I 1053 00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:53,720 Speaker 1: think played a role in how he was able to 1054 00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:57,360 Speaker 1: do so well both times, and among other changes. Right, 1055 00:59:57,440 --> 01:00:00,240 Speaker 1: it was just one of them. But yeah, I lost 1056 01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:05,240 Speaker 1: sight of that after the first fight, because what Volkanovsky 1057 01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:09,840 Speaker 1: was doing was you know, again, so many people are 1058 01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:12,680 Speaker 1: so mad at his championship reign. I just think to myself, Okay, 1059 01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:15,160 Speaker 1: whoever you think won the fight, put it aside and 1060 01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:18,959 Speaker 1: ask yourself, why is it Volkanowski gives Holloway problems. Maybe 1061 01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:20,600 Speaker 1: you think not enough to win, but he does give 1062 01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:23,840 Speaker 1: him problems. Like, no one's had fights at featherweight as 1063 01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:26,600 Speaker 1: close as Volkanovsky has had with Holloway, not not even 1064 01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:32,840 Speaker 1: Edgar a distant second. So why is that? What is 1065 01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:35,800 Speaker 1: this guy doing? And it's dude, it's the He is 1066 01:00:36,080 --> 01:00:39,760 Speaker 1: never still. He is changing looks constantly. You don't know 1067 01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:41,680 Speaker 1: when he's coming, you don't know when he's going. You 1068 01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:44,320 Speaker 1: don't know what he's coming with or going with. Uh. 1069 01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:47,000 Speaker 1: He's hard to get a beat on. He's changing his 1070 01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:50,440 Speaker 1: own rhythm. God, dude, it is very difficult. It's he 1071 01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:58,919 Speaker 1: has basically weaponized like fundamentals. Oh, never be a sitting target. Okay, 1072 01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:01,360 Speaker 1: how do I do that? Like, you know, how do 1073 01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:04,200 Speaker 1: I bring that principle to life? You know, you know, 1074 01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:07,919 Speaker 1: use faints to change angles or set up another shot. Okay, 1075 01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:11,280 Speaker 1: He'll do that to the nth fucking degree, you know. 1076 01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:15,160 Speaker 1: And and and I realized that the two fights with 1077 01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:18,320 Speaker 1: Max are controversial, and there wasn't like a thunderous knockout. 1078 01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:21,480 Speaker 1: You know, it's ten rounds of very close action, by 1079 01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:24,480 Speaker 1: and large, And and I think a lot of people 1080 01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:26,520 Speaker 1: have kind of used it as a way to be like, oh, well, 1081 01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:28,520 Speaker 1: you know how great of a fighter is Alloway Doll, 1082 01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:33,560 Speaker 1: I'm not a Halloway. Sorry, Bolkowski, dud fucking Volkanowsky is due. 1083 01:01:33,600 --> 01:01:37,280 Speaker 1: His style is a he's a bad matchup for everyone, 1084 01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:43,640 Speaker 1: for everyone, because what he does is just pull the 1085 01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:48,080 Speaker 1: fight game, the striking game apart, and he takes everything 1086 01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:52,080 Speaker 1: that gives you oxygen, not literally, but it gives you 1087 01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:55,320 Speaker 1: oxygen to do what you do, and he SAPs it 1088 01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:59,400 Speaker 1: out of the room. Right. He is never still. He 1089 01:01:59,560 --> 01:02:02,440 Speaker 1: is constantly setting shit up. He is in range, he 1090 01:02:02,560 --> 01:02:04,360 Speaker 1: is out of range, but you never know when he's 1091 01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:06,840 Speaker 1: doing that. Oh is this a look to go one way? 1092 01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:08,000 Speaker 1: Or is this a look to go the other ways? 1093 01:02:08,040 --> 01:02:09,480 Speaker 1: It's a look to hit me to the bodies. Is 1094 01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:11,760 Speaker 1: a look to hit me to the head? Oh, here 1095 01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:13,760 Speaker 1: I'm coming. And it's a leg kick. I'm backing up. 1096 01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:15,400 Speaker 1: It's a lek kick. I'm changing angle. Oh and now 1097 01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:16,880 Speaker 1: it's a different kind of leg kick. And now he 1098 01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:19,920 Speaker 1: goes this direction. It's just he's just a not really 1099 01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:23,720 Speaker 1: a perpetual motion machine. But there is just no One 1100 01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:25,520 Speaker 1: of the worst things you can do in striking is 1101 01:02:25,560 --> 01:02:27,360 Speaker 1: to have a pattern, because if they can pick up 1102 01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:29,280 Speaker 1: on it, then they can trick you, and then if 1103 01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:31,400 Speaker 1: they can trick you, they can do really bad things 1104 01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:34,840 Speaker 1: to you. Okay, but here's a guy where there's almost 1105 01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:39,840 Speaker 1: no pattern. You ever seen those. One of the stories 1106 01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:41,920 Speaker 1: about how the Americans won the Second World War and 1107 01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:47,240 Speaker 1: the Japanese theater was they were able to they were 1108 01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:51,720 Speaker 1: able to use the Native Americans I think it was 1109 01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:56,640 Speaker 1: the Navajo Native Americans, and the Japanese could not figure out, 1110 01:02:57,000 --> 01:02:58,760 Speaker 1: like they knew they were speaking some other language, but 1111 01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:01,000 Speaker 1: they could not break it. They had no idea like 1112 01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:03,080 Speaker 1: how the fuck do we break this language? And they 1113 01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:07,360 Speaker 1: use their best linguists and you know, codebreakers to do it, 1114 01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:09,480 Speaker 1: and they couldn't do it. Now at this point, you 1115 01:03:09,560 --> 01:03:11,960 Speaker 1: can go back and look at what Holloway and Bolkanovski 1116 01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:13,080 Speaker 1: have done, and you can get a read on what 1117 01:03:13,120 --> 01:03:16,160 Speaker 1: Bolkanovski tends to prefer and whatever. I don't mean it's 1118 01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:20,479 Speaker 1: like indecipherable in that sense, but in real time Max 1119 01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:22,840 Speaker 1: was able to make some changes. That's true, so it's 1120 01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:26,200 Speaker 1: not utterly indecipherable. But that's how it feels to me 1121 01:03:26,360 --> 01:03:28,360 Speaker 1: when I watch him against someone he's just you know, 1122 01:03:29,040 --> 01:03:31,960 Speaker 1: having a good round against you just fucking don't know which, 1123 01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:35,880 Speaker 1: like what way is up, whether what he's going to 1124 01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:39,479 Speaker 1: do next. It is really, really, really hard to read, 1125 01:03:40,040 --> 01:03:42,040 Speaker 1: and so that helped. That made me lose sight of 1126 01:03:42,120 --> 01:03:46,120 Speaker 1: the fact that max Is and his team are incredibly capable, 1127 01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:51,440 Speaker 1: and you know, these are literate guys in the striking game. 1128 01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:54,600 Speaker 1: These are experts in the striking game, and they're not done. 1129 01:03:54,880 --> 01:04:00,520 Speaker 1: They're not done making changes. So you know, the Japanese 1130 01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:03,680 Speaker 1: can never figure out what the Navajo were saying. It 1131 01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:06,680 Speaker 1: looks like Max and his team might get it after 1132 01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:09,680 Speaker 1: a third crack, but even then it's no given because 1133 01:04:09,720 --> 01:04:15,960 Speaker 1: that's what dude Volkanovsky is fucking amazing. I know you 1134 01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:17,320 Speaker 1: can't talk about it for what I can only assume 1135 01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:19,560 Speaker 1: is legal reasons, But can you tell us whether the 1136 01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:21,640 Speaker 1: dissector will ever be back on the MK, Well, it 1137 01:04:21,640 --> 01:04:24,640 Speaker 1: definitely doesn't legal reasons for crying out loud or is 1138 01:04:24,680 --> 01:04:27,480 Speaker 1: it gone for good with technical difficulties being the permanent replacement. 1139 01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:31,560 Speaker 1: I don't know it was the answer. It's definitely the 1140 01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:35,040 Speaker 1: in I'll put it this way. I don't know if 1141 01:04:35,120 --> 01:04:39,440 Speaker 1: Dissected is done, but I can tell you it's indefinitely suspended. 1142 01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:45,640 Speaker 1: How about that? So we'll see. How do you see 1143 01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:48,840 Speaker 1: Fury versus Joshua going? I see Fury beating the living 1144 01:04:49,040 --> 01:05:03,600 Speaker 1: fuck out of him. Thoughts on the new Cannibal Corpse track. 1145 01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:14,280 Speaker 1: It is good, It is good. Say what now? Do 1146 01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:18,560 Speaker 1: you think the UFC is promoting Chandler and releasing fighters 1147 01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:23,760 Speaker 1: early almost helping other promotions because recruiting people like Chandler 1148 01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:28,440 Speaker 1: and Gae Chee is a safer bet than regional scenes. 1149 01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:44,240 Speaker 1: I don't know if I understand what you're asking me. Yeah, 1150 01:05:44,240 --> 01:05:48,200 Speaker 1: I don't know what the fuck you're saying. On the 1151 01:05:48,280 --> 01:05:51,000 Speaker 1: Weighing In podcast that was released today, Josh Thompson and 1152 01:05:51,040 --> 01:05:54,080 Speaker 1: Big John talk about the evolution of women's MMA skill 1153 01:05:54,160 --> 01:05:56,760 Speaker 1: of best practices strategy. They thought the currency of women's 1154 01:05:56,800 --> 01:06:00,160 Speaker 1: MMA was somewhere around the Chuck Ladell GSP era when 1155 01:06:00,200 --> 01:06:03,600 Speaker 1: compared to the level of men's MMA. I don't think 1156 01:06:03,640 --> 01:06:07,480 Speaker 1: that's crazy. I think there might be some noteworthy examples 1157 01:06:07,560 --> 01:06:12,040 Speaker 1: that you have current fighters who are pretty current on 1158 01:06:13,520 --> 01:06:16,200 Speaker 1: overall best practices, even on the men's side, like you know, 1159 01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:18,919 Speaker 1: Yoani and j Check has got a really modern game. 1160 01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:21,600 Speaker 1: Of course, GSP has a game that is, you know, 1161 01:06:21,840 --> 01:06:24,240 Speaker 1: was future proof to a degree. So maybe that's what 1162 01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:25,440 Speaker 1: they mean. I'd have to go back and listen to 1163 01:06:25,480 --> 01:06:28,600 Speaker 1: what they said, but listen, there is a gap between 1164 01:06:28,720 --> 01:06:31,600 Speaker 1: the modernity and the depth of the men's game and 1165 01:06:31,680 --> 01:06:35,080 Speaker 1: the depth and the overall skill development on the women's side, 1166 01:06:35,080 --> 01:06:36,760 Speaker 1: particularly on the wrestling, but that's getting a lot better 1167 01:06:37,080 --> 01:06:39,600 Speaker 1: and you're seeing a lot You're seeing a lot more 1168 01:06:40,960 --> 01:06:44,840 Speaker 1: double legs, singles, body locks, you know, versus just fucking 1169 01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:49,320 Speaker 1: head tosses. The wrestling has really advanced on the women's side, 1170 01:06:49,360 --> 01:06:51,520 Speaker 1: just as an example, you know of how far that's come. 1171 01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:54,560 Speaker 1: And then you had that French woman whose name I forget, 1172 01:06:54,920 --> 01:06:58,600 Speaker 1: she was on the on the inauguration show. She was 1173 01:06:58,840 --> 01:07:00,360 Speaker 1: one of the first fighters who was out. I mean, 1174 01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:04,560 Speaker 1: her striking looked PSH just as modern as any guys 1175 01:07:04,600 --> 01:07:09,160 Speaker 1: I've ever seen, really really good. So, you know, would 1176 01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:12,040 Speaker 1: I put it there, I don't know if that's necessarily 1177 01:07:12,840 --> 01:07:14,840 Speaker 1: the way I would go. But if they're arguing that 1178 01:07:14,920 --> 01:07:17,400 Speaker 1: there is a gap and that that gap deserves to 1179 01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:21,720 Speaker 1: be acknowledged, I don't think that's crazy at all. It 1180 01:07:21,840 --> 01:07:24,280 Speaker 1: tends to get you in trouble sometimes, but I think 1181 01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:40,240 Speaker 1: the evidence bears it out. Who would you favor to 1182 01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:43,720 Speaker 1: win in a Connor versus Tony Ferguson fight. Yeah, this 1183 01:07:43,880 --> 01:07:45,760 Speaker 1: is the fight that I think should be next for Connor, 1184 01:07:46,640 --> 01:07:49,280 Speaker 1: because if you're Tony, this is a great opportunity. I 1185 01:07:49,320 --> 01:07:53,040 Speaker 1: think it's a winnable fight for him, especially if he 1186 01:07:53,120 --> 01:07:57,720 Speaker 1: mixes up his offense. If you're Connor, that's a guy 1187 01:07:57,840 --> 01:08:00,440 Speaker 1: who with your striking if it's still on and if 1188 01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:03,400 Speaker 1: you're moving around a lot, that is a guy who 1189 01:08:03,600 --> 01:08:05,560 Speaker 1: And by the way, he's got a great chin, right, 1190 01:08:06,840 --> 01:08:09,280 Speaker 1: That is a guy who you should be able to 1191 01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:12,520 Speaker 1: land on effectively. So to me, it's like Tony's got 1192 01:08:12,600 --> 01:08:15,520 Speaker 1: much more diverse offense. He hits hard, he's got a 1193 01:08:15,560 --> 01:08:18,680 Speaker 1: great chin, he's got an unrelenting gas tank. If he 1194 01:08:18,800 --> 01:08:21,640 Speaker 1: can push that fight a little bit later, as is 1195 01:08:21,680 --> 01:08:25,240 Speaker 1: the case with many Connor's fights, you know, you have 1196 01:08:25,360 --> 01:08:28,080 Speaker 1: to like his chances early on. It's a fight that 1197 01:08:28,200 --> 01:08:32,080 Speaker 1: I think favors Connor in the early going. But you know, 1198 01:08:32,240 --> 01:08:33,880 Speaker 1: Connor has to be dialed in, he has to take 1199 01:08:33,920 --> 01:08:36,600 Speaker 1: it absolutely seriously. He has to understand what he's up 1200 01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:38,960 Speaker 1: against and how unorthodox Tony is. And if that fight 1201 01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:41,639 Speaker 1: gets late dude, Tony is going to put it on him. 1202 01:08:41,800 --> 01:08:45,800 Speaker 1: So to me, I like that fight. If next for Connor, 1203 01:08:45,800 --> 01:08:48,080 Speaker 1: I think it's an appropriate challenge. I think it's both 1204 01:08:48,160 --> 01:08:52,320 Speaker 1: guys are coming off of losses. They're looking for a reset. 1205 01:08:52,400 --> 01:08:57,000 Speaker 1: Here they match up in interesting ways. It's winnable for 1206 01:08:57,120 --> 01:09:00,280 Speaker 1: either guy. I like that fight next. I like it 1207 01:09:00,360 --> 01:09:02,320 Speaker 1: a lot more than just going back to fighting dustin 1208 01:09:02,400 --> 01:09:06,960 Speaker 1: a third time right away. Have you reached out to 1209 01:09:07,080 --> 01:09:09,920 Speaker 1: Phoenix CARNIVALI to host alongside you when BC inevitably gets 1210 01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:13,320 Speaker 1: locked in this factory town's local gas station cooler? I 1211 01:09:13,439 --> 01:09:17,080 Speaker 1: have not, but I'm certainly I would love to work 1212 01:09:17,120 --> 01:09:35,400 Speaker 1: with her again. I'll put it that way. Jesus, that's 1213 01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:36,760 Speaker 1: a great question. I don't know if I had to 1214 01:09:36,840 --> 01:09:40,400 Speaker 1: have a good answer for it right up front, Lord, 1215 01:09:42,439 --> 01:09:44,600 Speaker 1: I never thought of it that way. Early twenties, the 1216 01:09:44,720 --> 01:09:46,800 Speaker 1: question is, what are some books you would recommend for 1217 01:09:46,920 --> 01:09:49,960 Speaker 1: men in their early twenties? Are there any books that 1218 01:09:50,080 --> 01:09:54,559 Speaker 1: change your perspective on life or work? Candidly, I think 1219 01:09:54,600 --> 01:09:57,560 Speaker 1: a lot of guys are looking for some sort of 1220 01:09:58,240 --> 01:10:01,240 Speaker 1: Jocko will Nick. That's a he pronounce his name. I've 1221 01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:03,560 Speaker 1: got nothing against him, but you know, he's got this 1222 01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:08,040 Speaker 1: to me, I'm not as ready to be a consumer 1223 01:10:08,120 --> 01:10:10,200 Speaker 1: of his work, in part because I, you know, I 1224 01:10:10,280 --> 01:10:12,040 Speaker 1: was not a Navy cl certainly far from it. But 1225 01:10:12,680 --> 01:10:14,400 Speaker 1: you know, you get a lot of those types in 1226 01:10:14,520 --> 01:10:16,800 Speaker 1: the military, and they're you know, they're high speed, low 1227 01:10:16,880 --> 01:10:20,040 Speaker 1: drag man. They're very successful, and I've benefited a lot 1228 01:10:20,120 --> 01:10:23,479 Speaker 1: in my life by being around them. But you know, 1229 01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:25,519 Speaker 1: it's like oo's been looking for something different. I got 1230 01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:28,800 Speaker 1: my benefit from that. I'm looking for another gear, you know, 1231 01:10:28,920 --> 01:10:30,400 Speaker 1: And I was looking for another gear after I got 1232 01:10:30,439 --> 01:10:32,000 Speaker 1: out of the military, so like I thought that I 1233 01:10:32,120 --> 01:10:34,960 Speaker 1: benefited as much from that as I could, and so 1234 01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:36,400 Speaker 1: I was looking for something else. So I see a 1235 01:10:36,439 --> 01:10:37,960 Speaker 1: lot of guys who are looking for what I was 1236 01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:41,920 Speaker 1: looking for back at that time, like kind of like 1237 01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:46,439 Speaker 1: a self help worldview. Kick you into gear, let me 1238 01:10:47,240 --> 01:10:49,040 Speaker 1: make it all easy for you. I don't know that 1239 01:10:49,120 --> 01:10:51,920 Speaker 1: I have a book in that sense. My my recommendation, 1240 01:10:52,680 --> 01:10:55,479 Speaker 1: if you're a guy in your early twenties, so let's 1241 01:10:55,479 --> 01:10:57,400 Speaker 1: say twenty two, maybe you're fresh out of college, maybe 1242 01:10:57,400 --> 01:10:59,479 Speaker 1: you're you know, fresh out of your four year stint 1243 01:10:59,479 --> 01:11:01,080 Speaker 1: in the military. Maybe you're just twenty two. When you're 1244 01:11:01,080 --> 01:11:05,519 Speaker 1: figuring things out. Who knows. I'm not trying to distill 1245 01:11:06,240 --> 01:11:10,439 Speaker 1: life's meaning and give you direction at twenty two because 1246 01:11:12,040 --> 01:11:13,920 Speaker 1: I don't think it's that easy. I mean, there are 1247 01:11:14,040 --> 01:11:17,240 Speaker 1: definite paths you can take that make it easier if 1248 01:11:17,240 --> 01:11:21,120 Speaker 1: you just stick to that path to reach the next 1249 01:11:21,200 --> 01:11:24,000 Speaker 1: destination of your life. I think that is true. But 1250 01:11:24,120 --> 01:11:26,720 Speaker 1: here's my point. You know what I'm reading. If I'm 1251 01:11:26,720 --> 01:11:30,680 Speaker 1: at twenty two, it's a little bit less the case now. 1252 01:11:30,760 --> 01:11:32,599 Speaker 1: Now I have a little bit more of a focused approach. 1253 01:11:32,720 --> 01:11:35,920 Speaker 1: But I'm trying to just learn more about the world 1254 01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:38,759 Speaker 1: more generally. And that doesn't sound like the right answer, 1255 01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:40,280 Speaker 1: I'm sure to a lot of you, you're like, no, 1256 01:11:40,360 --> 01:11:43,120 Speaker 1: I want the secrets of life help me at twenty 1257 01:11:43,160 --> 01:11:47,759 Speaker 1: two because you feel either lost or confused or something. 1258 01:11:47,880 --> 01:11:54,759 Speaker 1: But nothing gave me clarity in this world. And if 1259 01:11:54,760 --> 01:11:56,720 Speaker 1: you watch this chat for a long time, this is 1260 01:11:56,800 --> 01:11:59,120 Speaker 1: not the first time you've heard me say this, but 1261 01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:05,200 Speaker 1: it is true. It is undeniably, unquestionably true. Nothing gave 1262 01:12:05,280 --> 01:12:08,800 Speaker 1: me clarity, less so of purpose, but in terms of 1263 01:12:08,840 --> 01:12:11,800 Speaker 1: the tools to understand what I wanted and who I 1264 01:12:12,080 --> 01:12:13,599 Speaker 1: was and how I was going to think about the world. 1265 01:12:15,080 --> 01:12:17,880 Speaker 1: Than a philosophy degree. Now that's not necessarily attainable to 1266 01:12:17,960 --> 01:12:22,320 Speaker 1: everybody else. But what I mean to say is, if 1267 01:12:22,360 --> 01:12:28,519 Speaker 1: you want to start with books that outlined, you know, 1268 01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:34,479 Speaker 1: different forms of thought or you know, different concepts, you 1269 01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:37,639 Speaker 1: could do that. Who were logical positivists? What is uh? 1270 01:12:38,800 --> 01:12:45,320 Speaker 1: You know what what are epistemic studies, phenomenology? You know? Uh, 1271 01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:51,000 Speaker 1: you could do symbolic logic games. But even aside from that, 1272 01:12:51,400 --> 01:12:56,080 Speaker 1: just reading about history, reading about any kind of book 1273 01:12:56,120 --> 01:12:59,880 Speaker 1: on literature, any any of these things. Dude, smart people 1274 01:13:00,560 --> 01:13:04,599 Speaker 1: who have developed ideas and things to say, you can 1275 01:13:04,680 --> 01:13:09,360 Speaker 1: find moments of inspiration and frankly understand your world better 1276 01:13:10,080 --> 01:13:13,320 Speaker 1: by absorbing that, rather than someone who's like, I've got 1277 01:13:13,560 --> 01:13:15,040 Speaker 1: you know, here's a way to make your bed every 1278 01:13:15,080 --> 01:13:17,120 Speaker 1: morning and kick you into gear and listen. I know 1279 01:13:17,160 --> 01:13:18,439 Speaker 1: I sound like a bit of a hypocrite because I 1280 01:13:18,439 --> 01:13:19,880 Speaker 1: went and I lived a little bit of that life 1281 01:13:20,400 --> 01:13:22,760 Speaker 1: at that particular stage in my life, like I got 1282 01:13:22,840 --> 01:13:25,599 Speaker 1: benefit from it. So maybe, if you know, maybe if 1283 01:13:25,880 --> 01:13:27,639 Speaker 1: that kind of self help, if you if you really 1284 01:13:27,680 --> 01:13:29,680 Speaker 1: feel like you need to go get that too. I 1285 01:13:29,760 --> 01:13:33,599 Speaker 1: don't want to only confuse people by having them read 1286 01:13:33,680 --> 01:13:39,320 Speaker 1: you know, Steinbeck when they're looking for something a little 1287 01:13:39,360 --> 01:13:43,320 Speaker 1: bit more applicable to their life. Okay, fine, but I'm 1288 01:13:43,360 --> 01:13:45,920 Speaker 1: just trying to tell you that, like, over the long term, 1289 01:13:46,360 --> 01:13:52,640 Speaker 1: the things that will guide your your moral compass, your reasoning, 1290 01:13:53,439 --> 01:13:58,080 Speaker 1: your understanding of systems of the world, they're not going 1291 01:13:58,120 --> 01:14:01,240 Speaker 1: to come from a self help book almost certainly not 1292 01:14:01,400 --> 01:14:05,000 Speaker 1: going to They're not going to come from, you know, 1293 01:14:06,800 --> 01:14:10,519 Speaker 1: some guy who's trying to whip you into gear. Probably 1294 01:14:11,479 --> 01:14:15,120 Speaker 1: you know, exceptions abound. They're going to come from listening 1295 01:14:15,200 --> 01:14:17,720 Speaker 1: to a wide range of experts tell you what they 1296 01:14:17,800 --> 01:14:19,640 Speaker 1: know about the world and the way in which they 1297 01:14:19,720 --> 01:14:24,479 Speaker 1: know it. So just dive in, dive in and start going. 1298 01:14:25,479 --> 01:14:26,640 Speaker 1: You know, I'll try to come up with a more 1299 01:14:26,720 --> 01:14:29,479 Speaker 1: concise list of things that might be a little bit 1300 01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:31,840 Speaker 1: more helpful for this particular stage of people's life. I'll 1301 01:14:31,840 --> 01:14:34,800 Speaker 1: see if I can put something together. But just as 1302 01:14:34,840 --> 01:14:38,200 Speaker 1: a general rule, you know, because the way you framed 1303 01:14:38,240 --> 01:14:40,639 Speaker 1: the question was this stage of my life right now, 1304 01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:50,400 Speaker 1: I'm not Yeah, just wrap it up. I'm not telling 1305 01:14:50,479 --> 01:14:55,720 Speaker 1: you that, like you know, somebody who is pointing a 1306 01:14:55,760 --> 01:14:58,200 Speaker 1: finger at you and telling you like you need to 1307 01:14:58,240 --> 01:15:00,160 Speaker 1: go and do pull ups every morning is wrong. Might 1308 01:15:00,240 --> 01:15:02,280 Speaker 1: be quite right. You know, there's and and by the way, 1309 01:15:02,280 --> 01:15:03,800 Speaker 1: there's lot to be said about like your own habits 1310 01:15:03,840 --> 01:15:07,360 Speaker 1: as practices, right, you are some of your habits. There's 1311 01:15:07,360 --> 01:15:09,519 Speaker 1: another thing to be said about that. Yeah, there probably 1312 01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:12,280 Speaker 1: are some lessons you can learn. But please believe me, 1313 01:15:12,960 --> 01:15:15,000 Speaker 1: Please believe me. What you don't want is someone to 1314 01:15:15,080 --> 01:15:17,640 Speaker 1: tell you what the path is. What you want are 1315 01:15:17,720 --> 01:15:22,519 Speaker 1: the cognitive skills that you can develop that will enable 1316 01:15:22,640 --> 01:15:25,280 Speaker 1: you to decide for yourself what the suitable path is 1317 01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:27,960 Speaker 1: and then how to incrementally take steps along the way. 1318 01:15:28,439 --> 01:15:33,040 Speaker 1: What is truth? What is false? How do I know? Right? 1319 01:15:33,280 --> 01:15:35,120 Speaker 1: If someone's just telling you what it is, it's a 1320 01:15:35,120 --> 01:15:37,320 Speaker 1: little sound convincing because it will be motivational and you 1321 01:15:37,400 --> 01:15:39,640 Speaker 1: might get some benefit from it because it will take 1322 01:15:39,640 --> 01:15:41,880 Speaker 1: you from a better place than where you were. But 1323 01:15:42,040 --> 01:15:44,639 Speaker 1: to really do this over the long haul, to really 1324 01:15:44,760 --> 01:15:46,439 Speaker 1: make the most out of yourself, the you know, the 1325 01:15:46,520 --> 01:15:48,320 Speaker 1: unexamined life is not worth living, right, we say it 1326 01:15:48,360 --> 01:15:55,760 Speaker 1: all the time. Find somebody who knows a lot about something, right, 1327 01:15:56,200 --> 01:15:58,439 Speaker 1: and listen to what they have to say. And you 1328 01:15:58,520 --> 01:16:00,360 Speaker 1: may not agree with all of it, but you may 1329 01:16:00,400 --> 01:16:02,120 Speaker 1: agree with part of it. And then do that over 1330 01:16:02,280 --> 01:16:07,080 Speaker 1: and over and over and over and over again forever, 1331 01:16:08,160 --> 01:16:10,200 Speaker 1: and that will enable you to begin to figure out 1332 01:16:10,320 --> 01:16:12,360 Speaker 1: what's true and what's false. Who am I? How do 1333 01:16:12,479 --> 01:16:14,240 Speaker 1: I think about the world? How do I know what's true? 1334 01:16:14,479 --> 01:16:16,400 Speaker 1: How can I approve it? How can I demonstrate that 1335 01:16:16,600 --> 01:16:19,280 Speaker 1: to myself to others? And how does that lead me 1336 01:16:19,320 --> 01:16:22,479 Speaker 1: down a path of fulfillment and understanding. That's the way 1337 01:16:22,520 --> 01:16:27,000 Speaker 1: I would go. Okay, please get the video thumbs up 1338 01:16:27,880 --> 01:16:30,840 Speaker 1: more time. Please give a video a thumbs up. You 1339 01:16:30,840 --> 01:16:33,200 Speaker 1: get the subscribe button. Back tomorrow with a live show. 1340 01:16:33,240 --> 01:16:38,360 Speaker 1: We will preview the Overeem and Volkov main event. And 1341 01:16:38,720 --> 01:16:41,320 Speaker 1: uh yeah, thank you guys, as always so much for watching. 1342 01:16:41,520 --> 01:16:43,839 Speaker 1: I appreciate you. Back tomorrow,