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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Foundations podcast, your guide

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Speaker 1: to the fundamentals of better deer hunting, presented by first Light,

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Speaker 1: creating proven versatile hunting apparel for the stand, saddle or blind.

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Speaker 1: First Light Go Farther, Stay Longer, and now your host

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Speaker 1: Tony Peterson.

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Speaker 2: Hey everyone, welcome to the Wire to Hunt Foundation's podcast,

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Speaker 2: which has brought to you by First Light. I'm your host,

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Speaker 2: Tony Peterson, and today's episode is all about the opportunity

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Speaker 2: that winter offers you to truly understand the land, which

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Speaker 2: is kind of the ticket for figuring out big deer.

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Speaker 2: This happens all the time. Someone sends me an email

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Speaker 2: or a message asking me about how they should.

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Speaker 3: Scout to kill more big bucks.

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Speaker 2: The general tone is always like there's some kind of

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Speaker 2: secret that I'm withholding and they just haven't been told yet.

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Speaker 2: And once they get it, they're the club and their

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Speaker 2: taxidermy bill is going to skyrocket like the cost of

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Speaker 2: well just about everything lately. But there are no real

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Speaker 2: secrets left. I'm sorry to say that, but it's true.

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Speaker 2: The dead bucks will come, but only if you put

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Speaker 2: in the work to do the things in a way

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Speaker 2: that should produce results. How's that for disappointing and pretty weaselish.

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Speaker 2: But now for the good news. I'm of the belief

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Speaker 2: that the one thing you can do for yourself that

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Speaker 2: will really help you overall for the rest of your

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Speaker 2: life is to make an effort to understand the land,

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Speaker 2: not just the land you hunt all the time, but

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Speaker 2: land in general. What I mean by this is all

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Speaker 2: about to become a hell of a lot clearer right

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Speaker 2: about now. I'd guess that just about every one of

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Speaker 2: us has, you know, at least a few places in

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Speaker 2: our lives that we drive to a lot.

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Speaker 3: Work is the most obvious.

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Speaker 2: If you have to commute to an office or a

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Speaker 2: job site, you know what it's like to travel the

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Speaker 2: same route over and over and over again. Maybe you're

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Speaker 2: lucky and you get to work from home while writing

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Speaker 2: about deer hunting and dog training and you don't have

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Speaker 2: to commute. You probably have a few places in your

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Speaker 2: town that you travel too often. The gym, the grocery store,

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Speaker 2: gas stations, whatever. I'll bet you something about these routes

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Speaker 2: and those destinations. There's a lot of stuff you don't

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Speaker 2: notice on the way to and from these places. This

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Speaker 2: is a weird phenomenon, but you can see if you're

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Speaker 2: susceptible to it. The next time you commute to work

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Speaker 2: or drive to the gym, just try to look at

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Speaker 2: something different. What I mean by that is, try to

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Speaker 2: see some houses or stores, or woodlots or something that

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Speaker 2: you just normally don't look at during your drive. Because

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Speaker 2: you see, when we are used to going certain places

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Speaker 2: in a certain way, we tend to focus our attention

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Speaker 2: on specific aspects of the trip. There's probably an evolutionary

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Speaker 2: component to this somewhere, you know, maybe the preservation of

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Speaker 2: some brain energy or something.

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Speaker 3: I don't really know. What you might realize.

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Speaker 2: If you intentionally try to look at different landmarks and

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Speaker 2: buildings and stuff along the way is that you've been

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Speaker 2: missing a lot of things. Another easy way to do

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Speaker 2: this is to go for a run along a route

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Speaker 2: you usually drive. Since you probably run quite a bit

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Speaker 2: slower than you drive, you have a lot of time

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Speaker 2: to take in the scenery. And I'm telling you it's

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Speaker 2: eye opening, not so much because you might notice a

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Speaker 2: taco bell where you didn't realize there was one, but

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Speaker 2: because your blind spots are probably huge on your most

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Speaker 2: known and familiar routes. I'll give you an example. About

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Speaker 2: two hundred yards from my house is one of those

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Speaker 2: ninety degree turns that almost should have been a cul

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Speaker 2: de sac, if that makes sense. It's like a three

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Speaker 2: quarter cul de sac. I drive that route dozens of

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Speaker 2: passed through there when I go for a run or

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Speaker 2: a bike ride with the girls. Last summer, I walked

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Speaker 2: I saw emergency lights in that mutant cul de sac.

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Speaker 2: As I jogged past several cop cars in an ambulance,

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Speaker 2: If you'd asked me beforehand how many houses were on

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Speaker 2: capacity to mostly filter out unnecessary stuff. If you think

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Speaker 2: things that you just totally have ignored for years larger

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Speaker 2: they were there. Guess what, my little ombres, we do

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Speaker 2: this in deer hunting. In fact, the best way to

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Speaker 2: kill big bucks for a lot of folks is to

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Speaker 2: intentionally create scenarios where there is no penalty for not

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Speaker 2: noticing stuff. If you have a managed property with food

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Speaker 2: plots and ponds and box blinds, does it really matter

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Speaker 2: This is why it's so popular to try to raise

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Speaker 2: dear on a specific property versus learning how to figure

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Speaker 2: them out. On any piece of land you might step

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Speaker 2: they are mature enough to not being harassment on social media.

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Speaker 2: That drive to work where you don't notice a whole

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Speaker 3: That's like the walk.

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Speaker 2: Into your favorite stand, you know, the one where you

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Speaker 2: always see a few deer, the one that's easy to

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Speaker 2: that stand. We all have at least one spot like that,

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Speaker 2: It gets worse though, think about shed hunting season, which

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Speaker 2: we're coming into right now. We all want to scoop

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Speaker 2: up a bunch of shed antlers, and we all have

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Speaker 2: our best spots to go, but how we move from

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Speaker 2: We probably follow the same routes. When we're looking for antlers,

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Speaker 2: just like we do and we're going to our stands,

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Speaker 2: dear unters in two ways. The first is the obvious one,

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Speaker 2: The trail on the ridge was pounded and also under

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Speaker 2: heavy observation by several trail cameras. The trail on the

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Speaker 2: river bottom wasn't pounded, but it showed some usage. Then

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Speaker 2: probably play into my twenty four hunting plans. The thing

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Speaker 2: This isn't because there aren't Aha moments waiting for you

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Speaker 2: An awful lot of folks are stuck between thinking they

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Speaker 2: let's say like Andy May, you probably wouldn't feel that way.

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Speaker 2: guess here, you probably aren't like Andy May in a

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Speaker 2: understand the land and how the deer use it more

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Speaker 2: than anyone I've ever met. And that's saying something because

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Speaker 2: I know a lot of really good deer hunters, as

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Speaker 2: well as being someone who just personally loves the scout. Now,

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Speaker 2: scouting comes in many forms and involves many things.

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Speaker 3: For some folks.

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Speaker 2: When the scouting or in season scouting, you know it's

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Speaker 2: all about deer sign rubs and scrapes and beds. That's great,

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Speaker 2: there's nothing wrong with that strategy, But there's an undercurrent

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Speaker 2: you focus too much on just finding locations that have

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Speaker 2: dictated almost entirely by how secure those bucks feel on

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Speaker 2: off the radar of most hunters, including you. Take a

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Speaker 2: buck that wants to rut hard find a couple of girlfriends,

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Speaker 2: but he also lives on a property that gets a

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Speaker 2: ton of pressure. Let's say that property has a few

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Speaker 2: the two legged predators he's trying to avoid often hunt

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Speaker 2: and there's no better time to do it than now.

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Speaker 2: The miles you walk while keeping your eyes open and

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Speaker 2: Maybe once a week, maybe twice a week, whatever depends

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Speaker 2: weather definitely will, food, the density, maturity, you, predators, whatever,

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Speaker 2: Most of the variables of your hunt are open to

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Speaker 2: And that's a huge benefit to you because it gives

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Speaker 2: get how important it truly is. That's it for this week.

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