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Speaker 1: Peyton State Speakers series. We bring the best and brightest

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Speaker 1: to campus. That's why Greg McElroy ESPN, former Alabama quarterback

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Speaker 1: you fill in the blank, I mean, got a dynamite

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Speaker 1: YouTube show as well, Gregory, how are you on this

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Speaker 1: lovely December afternoon.

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Speaker 2: I'm good, buddy, I'm just I'm glad I wasn't referred

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Speaker 2: to as Cole Kublick's co host on the radio because

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Speaker 2: that is a bridge too far. And knowing that he

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Speaker 2: joins you on your Thursday show every week has been

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Speaker 2: both engaging and at the same time repulsive, a little

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Speaker 2: too much into the weeds for cube kicks man, Why

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Speaker 2: you why you gotta? Why you got to give them

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Speaker 2: such a platform to let him talk about offensive line play?

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Speaker 2: It's quorder line offensive, would you agree truthfully?

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Speaker 1: Yes? And we all make mistakes in life. I'm sure

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Speaker 1: that you don't feel like you've been purely angelic at

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Speaker 1: every point in your career. So we're mistakes made, yes,

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Speaker 1: but we're lessons learned. Also, Yes, Hey.

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Speaker 2: I've enjoyed. I listened and you know this, like I've

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Speaker 2: texted you a bunch of times, like I listened to

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Speaker 2: your show a lot. I dislike it when people do

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Speaker 2: it the right way, you know what I mean. Like

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Speaker 2: there's it's really easy to go out and say, you know,

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Speaker 2: Colorado's a top ten team in the preseason, uh, in

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Speaker 2: an effort to generate clicks. And I've always respected you

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Speaker 2: and your approach because I think you cover it the

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Speaker 2: right way. You love the sport, and that's what we're

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Speaker 2: all in it for. And I will for all of

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Speaker 2: his flaws. Cubic Kicks does have an awful lot of

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Speaker 2: love with the sport. It's just the wrong position group

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Speaker 2: that we that he cares about. Nobody cares about the

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Speaker 2: offensive line, and I'm just hopeful that at some point

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Speaker 2: he'll realize that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like memo. I used to always tell me, Joshua,

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Speaker 1: if your heart's in the right place, your logic can

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Speaker 1: be flawed. But you don't want people whose hearts are

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Speaker 1: in the wrong place with sound logic. And that's why

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Speaker 1: Cole's always had a home here. It's been a sanctuary

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Speaker 1: show of sorts for him. So we're a little bit

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Speaker 1: removed from this thing now, but we're not really removed

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Speaker 1: from it. And I'm talking about the college football playoff selection.

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Speaker 1: The whole process. So we go into conference championship weekend

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Speaker 1: and everyone kind of thinks they have a little bit

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Speaker 1: of read on things, and you've got all your ideas

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Speaker 1: sketched on the back of a pizza box. But I

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Speaker 1: kept on saying on the show, the games happening on

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Speaker 1: the field have a tendency to just hit the reset

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Speaker 1: button in people's minds, And so it doesn't matter if

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Speaker 1: automatic if that doesn't happen. You gotta watch it happen.

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Speaker 1: And so we watched Florida State go undefeated and win

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Speaker 1: a Power five conference championship, and they didn't make the playoff.

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Speaker 1: You had the blessed but also slightly unenviable task of

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Speaker 1: being live on air as it happens. Okay, so I

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Speaker 1: was texting you, as I imagine a million other people were,

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Speaker 1: because I was watching it in real time, and I

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Speaker 1: You don't have time to do it, and it would

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Speaker 1: easily take five minutes to fully lay out here's what

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Speaker 1: here's what the committee protocols should have provided. I think

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Speaker 1: was a losing battle that day. So then you say

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Speaker 1: go back to that moment. What was it like that Sunday,

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Speaker 2: Well, and honestly, to get to selection day, you almost

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Speaker 2: I kid, but there needed to be a discussion there

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Speaker 2: The difficult thing for me is that, regardless of what

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Speaker 2: And then we were picking and choosing our criteria one, two, three, four, five,

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Speaker 2: the committee has been willing to scrap the rankings leading

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Speaker 2: Yes, Okay, So like I was, I was like a

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Speaker 2: I don't know what the heck the committee's going to do.

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Speaker 2: They shoot. I guess Ohio State's good. I don't know,

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Speaker 2: but Ohio State was put in over TCU and Baylor

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Speaker 2: they weren't. They had rewarded the most deserving team, the

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Speaker 2: texting members of the media, I was texting friends and family. Yeap,

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Speaker 2: But I didn't think that's what they should do based

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Speaker 2: I saw Bama offensive linemen mowing, mowing, defensive tackles from

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's very, very rare. So I thought their

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Speaker 2: I don't regret anything. I feel terrible for Florid's State,

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Speaker 2: but it can be a both and situation. They were

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Speaker 2: If you have a problem, take it up with the criteria,

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Speaker 2: not so much with the committee that followed their own

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So the reason I ask is because I think

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Speaker 1: I mean, at my strongest conviction, I was fifty five

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Speaker 2: of podcasts. It's like I love it because I love

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Speaker 2: direct to consumer NICHE presentation. Like when I'm listening to

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Speaker 2: traditional college sports radio, I don't necessarily want to just

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Speaker 2: talk about the top seven teams like I think Kansas

435
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Speaker 2: State matters as much to the ecosystem as Syracuse, especially

436
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Speaker 2: with what Syracuse is currently doing in the portal and recruiting,

437
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Speaker 2: And I think Syracuse matters as much to you know,

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Speaker 2: the college football ecosystem as a as an FCS champion,

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Speaker 2: And we don't spend a ton of time on those teams,

440
00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:35,600
Speaker 2: but they matter and they're important, and I felt like

441
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Speaker 2: always college football would kind of allow for us to

442
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Speaker 2: go just a little deeper on some of the matchups

443
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Speaker 2: and the teams that don't necessarily get served on your

444
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Speaker 2: traditional media platforms. So do we play the hits? Yes?

445
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,679
Speaker 2: Does does Late Kick play the hits? Absolutely? I'm not

446
00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:56,439
Speaker 2: dumb enough to put together an hour long show and

447
00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:59,840
Speaker 2: not mention Alabama, Ohio State, Michigan, SC Texas. Like, of course,

448
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Speaker 2: we're going to talk about those teams. But at the

449
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Speaker 2: same time, there's an underserved audience that doesn't get their

450
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:09,399
Speaker 2: team talked about very much. A LA West Virginia, a

451
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Speaker 2: la UCF, teams like that that also are playing good

452
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Speaker 2: football and deserve to have their story told, and yet

453
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Speaker 2: there's just not a lot of mediums that are using

454
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Speaker 2: their platform to kind of talk about those teams. So

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Speaker 2: I love the mix, and I'm very fulfilled doing what

456
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Speaker 2: I'm doing. And in a way, it's literally like you, man,

457
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 2: this is a dream, like I can't believe it my job.

458
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:34,000
Speaker 2: I was with my parents this past weekend. They still

459
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Speaker 2: think that at some point I'm going to grow up

460
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Speaker 2: and get a real job, but I'm not quite ready

461
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Speaker 2: to take that plunge just yet. And this is this

462
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Speaker 2: is an itch that I just have to continue to

463
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Speaker 2: scratch because it's just all consuming and it's something that

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Speaker 2: you just do. Twenty four to seven, three sixty five.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned intelligence a second ago. I'm not dumb enough

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Speaker 1: to ignore this or think that it's interesting you mentioned intelligence.

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Speaker 1: You famously have a lot of it. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if you've ever had it phrased that way. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if you've ever had that throne in your face

470
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Speaker 1: like that, but famously you have a surplus of intelligence.

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Speaker 1: Now here's a little story for you. So you know

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Speaker 1: what a malapropism is. No, okay, it's this is more

473
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Speaker 1: like an awareness thing than an intelligence thing. So malapropisms.

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Speaker 1: I've got a list of like two hundred of them

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Speaker 1: in a notes file in my eye. Josh malapropisms are

476
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Speaker 1: just these commonly misspoken phrases or misunderstood spellings, like, for example,

477
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Speaker 1: people say blessing in the skies just because they've misheard

478
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Speaker 1: it their whole life, and it's actually blessing in disguise. Well,

479
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Speaker 1: Rhodes scholar for your boy up until Greg McElroy of

480
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Speaker 1: Alabama almost became one, was rogue scholar to me because

481
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Speaker 1: I had obviously never brushed up against it. I had

482
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Speaker 1: never even had to worry about it. It sounds like

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Speaker 1: rogue when people say it really fast. And so you

484
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Speaker 1: being involved in that process when you were at Alabama

485
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Speaker 1: was the first time that I ever realized, Oh, it's

486
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Speaker 1: not called rogue scholarship, is it. Oh it's rhades. Oh

487
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Speaker 1: my goodness.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And I want to thank you because you being are

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Speaker 1: you were a finalist for that thing, right, Yeah, I

491
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Speaker 1: thought it was ro.

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Speaker 2: A DS like, you know, I thought it was a

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Speaker 2: five K or something like. I wasn't sure what it was. No,

494
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Speaker 2: I yes, I was, and it was you know, it's

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Speaker 2: a I think it's a bit of a product of

496
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Speaker 2: the times like nowadays, shoot man, like these guys are

497
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Speaker 2: pros and in football at eighteen years old my like,

498
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Speaker 2: my goal of going to college was to get college

499
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Speaker 2: paid for one, have a little fun playing football. Two

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Speaker 2: when I turned twenty one, have an adult beverager. Two

501
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Speaker 2: That was also a very very high requirement for me.

502
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Speaker 2: It was very important. And then four like, all right,

503
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Speaker 2: I get to go to school for free. I'm going

504
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Speaker 2: to juice this thing for possibly juice and for because

505
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Speaker 2: I don't know if I'm going to the league, like

506
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Speaker 2: I don't care if I do great. I remember I

507
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Speaker 2: remember telling my buddy and Preston Dial you can look

508
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:04,439
Speaker 2: him up. He was a fullback h back automobile. And

509
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Speaker 2: my other buddy, David Ross, he's my roommates my freshman year,

510
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,399
Speaker 2: and they were having a discussion about yeah, when I'm

511
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Speaker 2: an All American and when I'm all you know, which

512
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Speaker 2: is great. I told him, I'm like, yeah, to be honest,

513
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Speaker 2: you guys, I kind of want to be an academic

514
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Speaker 2: All American. Like they're like nerd like clown, like did

515
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Speaker 2: you can control that? Did you?

516
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Speaker 1: Did you? Did you actually? Did you actually pull the guys?

517
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Speaker 1: Have you seen the commercial we may go pro in

518
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Speaker 1: something other than sports? Were you the actual college kid

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Speaker 1: who said that sentence?

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Speaker 2: I I might have said that once. It might come

521
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Speaker 2: up now every once in a while. It's total baloney

522
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Speaker 2: because I of course went to Alabama and had asked

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Speaker 2: Rays to play into the league too, like no doubt,

524
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Speaker 2: but I like I was like, look, they're going to

525
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Speaker 2: pay for them as well, just you know, juices thing

526
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Speaker 2: for all it's worth. And I was actually going to

527
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Speaker 2: get my I was going to law school. I wanted

528
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Speaker 2: to get an NBA. I want to go to Lost

529
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Speaker 2: And wouldn't you believe it. You would think that the

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Speaker 2: law program at Alabama would be willing to offer some

531
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Speaker 2: morning classes because you know, I wanted to play football

532
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 2: and go to law school and practice in the afternoon.

533
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Speaker 2: They would not do that for me. I couldn't believe

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Speaker 2: they wouldn't do that for me. Just change their whole

535
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Speaker 2: you know deal. No and all joking aside, like I

536
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Speaker 2: and I never thought about the Rhodes Scholarship like it was.

537
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 2: That was like a I mean that was like something,

538
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:31,440
Speaker 2: what is that? Like? Sure, I'll try and doctor Buster Alloway,

539
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 2: who still to this day is like my favorite teacher

540
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Speaker 2: of all time. He's our stats two ten professor. And

541
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Speaker 2: that's the most impossible class ever. It's like a weed

542
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Speaker 2: out class for the business school. Nobody is getting a

543
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Speaker 2: good grade in that class. But for whatever reason, stats

544
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Speaker 2: just worked for me. You asked me to read a

545
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Speaker 2: book and tell you what happened in it. Can't do it.

546
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Speaker 2: Like my SAT math score was like a seven sixty.

547
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 2: My SAT verbal was like a four eighty. It was

548
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Speaker 2: like it was like the biggest gap ever. So like

549
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 2: just worked for me for whatever reason. I don't know why,

550
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 2: but I can't read and I can't write, but I

551
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 2: can definitely do some math. And he was like, you

552
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 2: should try up with the Rhodes Scholarship. I was like,

553
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Speaker 2: I don't even know how to do that. He goes,

554
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna push it and I'm gonna make it happen

555
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Speaker 2: for you. I was like, all right. So, being the

556
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Speaker 2: student that I was, I think I had like three

557
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 2: hours worth of class during the twenty ten season. That's

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Speaker 2: all I needed to get my Masters, So that ample

559
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Speaker 2: amounts of time to watch tape, get a quiz no

560
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 2: sub which is what I ate every day for lunch,

561
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Speaker 2: and go and work on the my Rhodes Scholarship application.

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Speaker 2: I made it in to the finalist and it was cool.

563
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Speaker 2: It was real honored. And then I walked into the

564
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Speaker 2: room with the eight other finalists and was like, all right,

565
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Speaker 2: Harvard Naval Academy, you know Yale. It's like, I am

566
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Speaker 2: I got no shot of this thing. I got no

567
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Speaker 2: shot at all, but I'm here and I will never

568
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Speaker 2: be able to take that final label away from me.

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Speaker 2: But the guy that won it was like son of

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Speaker 2: Human Immigrants. It spoke like nineteen languages and already started

571
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Speaker 2: up a nonprofit that had already generated like ten million

572
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 2: dollars worth of nonprofits. It was like unbelievable. I was like, yep,

573
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Speaker 2: he should win. And the lady from Naval Academy won

574
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 2: as well, and she could not have been any more impressive.

575
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 2: I mean, just incredible people. So the right people won it.

576
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Speaker 2: But the fact that I was even in the mix,

577
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Speaker 2: even though I probably shouldn't have been, was pretty neat.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, you walk in there, you're illiterate, and

579
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Speaker 1: you can just do long division in your head and

580
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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, ye wrote scholar. Finally, it still

581
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Speaker 1: was good on the Wikipedia page, like they close, what do.

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Speaker 2: You think of government? I was like, that's really open ended.

583
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Speaker 1: That's not for me.

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Speaker 2: One of my interview questions. I'm like, yeah, not a

585
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Speaker 2: huge fan.

586
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Speaker 1: I guess yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think that was kind of a turn off for

588
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Speaker 2: the for the committee, and at that point my application

589
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Speaker 2: was dismissed.

590
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Speaker 1: Yeah, committees, man, they get in the way of so

591
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 1: many great things. As it turns out, you go. So,

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Speaker 1: now that we've got all of the the Alabama bias aside,

593
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Speaker 1: and we've talked about that, I want to talk about

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Speaker 1: Alabama football for a second. You not only obviously everyone

595
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Speaker 1: watches them because they've been the number one program in

596
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Speaker 1: the country for a long time, but this particular year,

597
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 1: you're watching them because you don't know if they're gonna

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Speaker 1: make the playoff or not. Lude we don't know if

599
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 1: they're gonna be a four lost team when they looked

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Speaker 1: how they looked earlier in the season. So the Texas

601
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Speaker 1: game happens, I would argue the USF game was the

602
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Speaker 1: ugliest I've seen a Nick Saban team look at any

603
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Speaker 1: point since eight basically, and then if you fast forward

604
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Speaker 1: from that point to this point, looks like a totally

605
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 1: different version of team just happens to be same players.

606
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Speaker 1: So you could look at that from fifty thousand feet,

607
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 1: which most of us are limited to do. And you

608
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Speaker 1: could say, well, it's obvious something changed. And it's obvious

609
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Speaker 1: you watch that offensive line against Georgia that looks way different.

610
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Speaker 1: That quarterback looks way different than he did early in

611
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Speaker 1: the season. But when you use a trained eye and

612
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 1: you've got some insight into the program and you're on

613
00:31:56,080 --> 00:32:00,239
Speaker 1: radio down there every day, when you zoom in, did

614
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Speaker 1: you see change? And when did it start to change?

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Speaker 2: It started on November first, the bye week. That's when

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Speaker 2: it really changed.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 2: And I'm sure you, being as astute as you are

619
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Speaker 2: and as observant as you are, it was pretty obvious

620
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Speaker 2: that this team is really a tale of two seasons.

621
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Speaker 2: It was first month figure things out, like, hopefully you

622
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Speaker 2: play well against Texas. You don't that loss Lingers. They

623
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Speaker 2: wanted to see whether or not one of the other

624
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Speaker 2: quarterbacks might be able to provide a spark. I think

625
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 2: there were probably some some discussions had in the preseason, like, hey,

626
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Speaker 2: you three are all going to get a chance to

627
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 2: play at some point in the first three weeks and

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Speaker 2: then we'll figure it out from there. I would assume

629
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Speaker 2: that's what went down. I have don't have it on

630
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Speaker 2: good authority, that's what happened, but certainly seems that way

631
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 2: and talking to people that are more knowledgeable about it

632
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 2: than me. Once they decided to go with Jalen, they

633
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 2: became an offense that was really almost most exclusively reliant

634
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 2: on big plays. And the A and M game is

635
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 2: a good example. It's like, all right, first down run

636
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 2: for negative two, second down, sack, third and eighteen, hit

637
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 2: a fade down down the field for a twenty seven

638
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 2: yard gain. It was like very Jekyll and Hyde, very

639
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 2: much big play reliant, and I don't think the team

640
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 2: or the offense played with a lot of efficiency. They

641
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 2: were just boom or bust. It was chunk plays or sacks.

642
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 2: It was like that's kind of all they were. And

643
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Speaker 2: then after the bye week, I think they were able

644
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Speaker 2: to reassess and they were able to really work on

645
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Speaker 2: Jalen Milroe being more decisive and not holding the ball

646
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 2: quite as long, getting the ball out a little bit quicker,

647
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 2: being willing and able to take some underneath stuff, being

648
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 2: and able to take off when the opportunity presents itself

649
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 2: to run. He's run in the last five games. He

650
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 2: is the leading rusher by a mile. In the first

651
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 2: seven games that he participated in. I think he had

652
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 2: forty seven carries that weren't sacks. It was like seventy

653
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 2: seven total, but the forty seven when you account for

654
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 2: the sacks taken there in the first seven games. So

655
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 2: he was a lot more decisive, and I think he

656
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 2: played with a lot more urgency, and he did not

657
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:23,359
Speaker 2: view the underneath passing attack or a six or seven

658
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 2: yard run. Those are not negative plays like those are

659
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 2: still good plays second and three. As a play caller, Josh,

660
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 2: that's pretty good spot to be. Now it's not a

661
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 2: forty seven yard touchdown, but shoot man, well we'll take

662
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 2: those six and seven yard gains. And I think they

663
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 2: just operated with a lot more efficiency, a lot more urgency.

664
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 2: I do think some of the defenses they faced there

665
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:49,840
Speaker 2: early on in November where get right recipe type of teams.

666
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 2: LSU's a Emacon defense, Kentucky down the stretch did not

667
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 2: play well on that side of the ball, especially in November.

668
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,400
Speaker 2: So I think that those are some get right recipes

669
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,319
Speaker 2: carried over into Chattanoog A tough game on the road

670
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,839
Speaker 2: at Auburn like always, but they had so much more

671
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 2: confidence going into the Georgia game, and I thought I

672
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 2: said it on my show, I said it on several

673
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 2: other platforms. I don't know if you said it or not.

674
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:13,320
Speaker 2: I don't recall how you felt about the George of

675
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:14,839
Speaker 2: Bama game. Like I took Bam in the game because

676
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 2: I thought they matched up really well, Like George is

677
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:18,439
Speaker 2: not good on the edges of their defense, Like that's

678
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 2: that's where I mean. I believe at one point they

679
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 2: were averaging like six yards per play giving up on

680
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 2: zone reads. It was like one hundred and fifteenth in

681
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 2: the in the country. It was absurd. It was like,

682
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 2: that doesn't make sense. But then you think about the

683
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 2: Auburn game, think about Georgia Tech game. I mean it

684
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 2: kind of did when you dove just a little bit deeper.

685
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 2: So I thought Bama matched up really well in that game,

686
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 2: and they had a tremendous performance. But I think it

687
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 2: was really a kind of a process of feeling out,

688
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 2: getting your quarterback more comfortable, getting the receivers a little

689
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 2: more comfortable on the underneath stuff, Identifying Isaiah Bond as

690
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 2: a legitimate number one receiver and then Jermaine Burton is

691
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 2: your big play threat down the field, Establishing clear roles

692
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 2: for their wide receivers, and then defensively, I think they've

693
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 2: been rock solid all season long. That really has with

694
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,280
Speaker 2: the exception of the Texas game where their secondary played awful,

695
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 2: they were really good on that side of the ball

696
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 2: all seasons long. It's really been on an offense where

697
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 2: things have changed and they're a completely different team than

698
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 2: where they were six seven weeks ago.

699
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 1: You know what's crazy is when you played there, Bama

700
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,840
Speaker 1: Georgia wasn't even a thing. And I know there was

701
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 1: that seven eight home and home. They come in there

702
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 1: and beat you in overtime. You guys go over there

703
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 1: the blackout win, But that was just a home and

704
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 1: home with two big time programs. There was no rivalry feel,

705
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 1: there was nothing like that. I grew up right on

706
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 1: the banks of the Chattahoochee River, like bordering Alabama Georgia,

707
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 1: so I have a really unique perspective on this. And

708
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:46,839
Speaker 1: about the time Saban comes along, he starts to overtake

709
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 1: what Urban Meyer had built, which in and of itself

710
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:53,839
Speaker 1: had overtaken what Georgia had built under Mark Rick over

711
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 1: there in the east. And so there was this real

712
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 1: big power struggle and spoiler alert, Nick Saban wins that

713
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 1: if you guys had going back in time and watched.

714
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 1: But then as Alabama starts to ascend, I'm living in

715
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 1: Georgia and there is this there's this animosity and really

716
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 1: jealousy towards Alabama. But it wasn't so much we're strictly

717
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 1: envious here in Georgia of what they have. It was

718
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,919
Speaker 1: he's building what we should be. That's what Georgia folks

719
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:23,360
Speaker 1: thought we should be. This and Saban's getting yeses and

720
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 1: our guy's over here getting yes no no, yes, no no.

721
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 1: But on Saturdays, everyone in Athens expects him to be

722
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:33,399
Speaker 1: what Alabama is. And so then when Kirby finally got

723
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:36,760
Speaker 1: hired there, he came there under the condition and understanding

724
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 1: that if you want me to build the same thing

725
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 1: that looks like what I just came from at Alabama,

726
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 1: you got to give me what the guy at Alabama has.

727
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 1: Even then it's going to be hard, but you got

728
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 1: to give it to me. And they gave it to him,

729
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:49,399
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, unlike when you play there,

730
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 1: there's this like war between Alabama and Georgia, and it's

731
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 1: all of a sudden happening more frequently because the games

732
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 1: are happening, if not in the regular season, in championship

733
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 1: matchups and said, and the reality is, whether either of

734
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 1: them want to admit it or not, there's one equal

735
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 1: that each one of them feels exist in the sport.

736
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 1: There's one worthy adversary that each one of them feels exist.

737
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 1: And it's across the river, it's across the state. It's

738
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 1: not Ohio state, it's not Michigan, it's not anyone else,

739
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 1: because either one of them feels like, if we're healthy,

740
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 1: we'll take care of business anywhere else. The one that's

741
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 1: capable of beating us is the one that's built to

742
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 1: beat us. Bama's built to match up against Georgia and

743
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 1: vice versa. Which is why when you went into that

744
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 1: SEC championship game, it didn't matter what had just happened

745
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 1: in the Iron Bowl. And to take it further, had

746
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 1: Georgia been pushed to the limit by Georgia Tech, I

747
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 1: wouldn't have cared about that either, because I would have

748
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 1: known we are wiping the Etcha sketchboard clean and whatever

749
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 1: happens this Saturday, it's basically a one game season. And

750
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 1: I remember thinking to myself, I know Bama's banged up

751
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,360
Speaker 1: on the defensive front. I know Bowers and McConkie can

752
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 1: barely go if they can go it all for Georgia.

753
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:56,439
Speaker 1: But whoever wins this and gets three weeks to sort

754
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 1: of lick the wounds and be healthy, we may be

755
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 1: looking at the National champce be and schip here and

756
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 1: in retrospect Bama wins it. I'm not so sure. I

757
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 1: still don't feel that way. I picked him against Michigan.

758
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 1: I may very well pick him in the National Championship game.

759
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 1: But it's amazing how evolutionary the SEC has been. When

760
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 1: you were there, it's Bama LSU and of course it's

761
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 1: always Bama all day. Now Bama Georgia, even though it's

762
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 1: not a yearly deal, is as big as anything in

763
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,320
Speaker 1: the country outside of like you know, Ohio State. Michigan

764
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 1: has been.

765
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I honestly for us, like the the

766
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 2: alpha dog and sport was Tim Tebow led Florida right

767
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:35,839
Speaker 2: like that was they've like we hated Florida. We didn't

768
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:39,879
Speaker 2: ever We never played him our off season in two

769
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 2: thousand and nine, we lost Florida in the O eight

770
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 2: SEC Championship game. Our entire season and nine was dedicated

771
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:49,840
Speaker 2: to Florida. They weren't even on the schedule.

772
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 1: You know.

773
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 2: It's like we are gonna get revenge on those guys

774
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 2: in Gainesville, like that was the thing, and it was.

775
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 2: It was really kind of strange because I don't think

776
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 2: we would ever talked to coach Saban about it because

777
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:02,839
Speaker 2: it was like one game at a time, one play

778
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 2: at a time, like this game against Chattanooga's our biggest

779
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 2: game on the schedule because it's the next one. I

780
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 2: was like, eah, kinda the one two weeks from now

781
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 2: when we play Florida. That's kind of a big one

782
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 2: for sure. But yeah, it's it's really changed, and I

783
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 2: don't I know you've probably said this. I've always thought

784
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 2: that the two of the best jobs in the sport

785
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:29,840
Speaker 2: are Georgia and LSU because they are the granddaddy in

786
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 2: their state, like they are the big dog in really

787
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 2: talent rich states. And whether it was when I was

788
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 2: in the NFL or when I was at school, or

789
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 2: when I'm looking at rosters now, if you just look

790
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 2: at how many guys, how many guys are playing top

791
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:46,359
Speaker 2: tier college football from the state of Georgia and from

792
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:50,799
Speaker 2: the state of Louisiana, it's ridiculous. Like per capita, there's

793
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:54,280
Speaker 2: probably more NFL players in those two states than anywhere

794
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 2: else in the country. Now, there's great players in Texas,

795
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 2: there's great players in Florida. There's great players in California.

796
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 2: I get that, but that's I mean, you look at

797
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:06,720
Speaker 2: California for example. I mean there's like millions and upon

798
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 2: millions upon millions of people. Like per capita, the talent

799
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 2: is better in Georgia, Florida, and frankly, in a wild way,

800
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 2: Alabama out loutrageously.

801
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:18,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, or line of scrimmage is not even close.

802
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 2: No, my god, like he like, honestly, the best players

803
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 2: I might have played with might have been from Misissippi rights,

804
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 2: you know, Like I mean, you just look across that

805
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 2: four state range and like some of the best players

806
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 2: for whatever reason, like Limeman girl on trees in Louisiana

807
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 2: and Monroe, Louisiana. Like you, as any college coach, it's like, hey,

808
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 2: we got to get into Monroe. It's like, we need

809
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 2: a coach on our staff from Monroe that has ties

810
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:44,760
Speaker 2: to Monroe because that's the best per capita offensive, defensive

811
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 2: lineman city in America. So I think that Georgia had long.

812
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:53,840
Speaker 2: I don't want to say that they were complacent, but

813
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 2: they needed to kick in the pants. And I love

814
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:58,240
Speaker 2: Mark Richt. I mean, I don't think there's a person

815
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 2: that's ever covered the sport that has been a a

816
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 2: more genuine human being than Mark Rickt. But they needed

817
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 2: that person to elevate the program, and they need that

818
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 2: person with the vision and the idea of where the

819
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 2: sport is heading. And I think what's funny is that

820
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:18,360
Speaker 2: people were very frustrated with Kirby Smart at times in

821
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:22,840
Speaker 2: his tenure YEP, which I think is mind blowing looking

822
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 2: back on it. I mean, the guys won two straight

823
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 2: national championships, but the SEC championship in eighteen where they

824
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 2: ran a fake punt with Justin Fields, the handling of

825
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:36,720
Speaker 2: Justin Fields versus Jake From the fact that Easan Jacob

826
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 2: Easton got banged up and then in comes Jake from

827
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 2: and the next thing you know, they get hot and

828
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 2: they have a great defense and great one to two

829
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:46,320
Speaker 2: punch at running back with Sony Michelle and Nick Chubb.

830
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 2: It was just strange how much heat he took at times,

831
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 2: because I know and I'm sure you probably did too,

832
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 2: Like I knew he was going to be good at

833
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 2: some point. Now were they going to get to the

834
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 2: point which they won twenty nine in a row. I

835
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 2: don't know if I could have envisioned that, but it

836
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 2: was just only a matter of time. I mean, had

837
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:07,800
Speaker 2: to take his lumps as a young coach, because everyone does.

838
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 2: It's just most people do it at places like Toledo,

839
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 2: uh or you know, I mean you get you get

840
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:19,359
Speaker 2: a dress rehearsal at a place where the mistakes aren't

841
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 2: quite as magnified his we're on the national stage. But

842
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:24,919
Speaker 2: he's now really rounded into a guy that has great

843
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 2: foresight with where the sport is heading. And he's also

844
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 2: done a great job of I think getting the people

845
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:34,720
Speaker 2: as an alumnus of the university, getting people to invest

846
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:38,719
Speaker 2: in the program. Like in Tuscaloosa, if Nick Saban says

847
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:43,280
Speaker 2: he wants something, nobody says no, Like board of trustees.

848
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 2: They are already breaking down walls before the Board of

849
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:49,279
Speaker 2: Trustees boats on it, no doubt about it. Like can

850
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 2: it help us win? Yes, perfect, We're doing it same

851
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 2: now as being done at Georgia as it relates to

852
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:56,799
Speaker 2: their nil and I think it's their facilities and and

853
00:43:57,160 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 2: I mean the proof is in the putting with what

854
00:43:58,480 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 2: they've created.

855
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:01,960
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Speaker 1: so I want to wrap it up here with this.

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00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:29,760
Speaker 1: I mentioned you're gonna call the Sugar Bowl Texas, Washington.

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Speaker 1: You're with mcdonok right, you were Sean mcdonny in this game.

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Speaker 1: I am, yes, Okay, So I cannot tell you I

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Speaker 1: freak out about Sean McDonough. Sean mcdonne is the man.

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Speaker 1: I love Sean never. I've never introduced myself to him.

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Speaker 1: I've never met him. But you got to understand for

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00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:49,720
Speaker 1: you grew up like I was a really little kid

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Speaker 1: when the Braves were making their run in the nineties. Right,

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00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:55,879
Speaker 1: and so Sean McDonough is working for CBS at the time,

889
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 1: doing their national calls, doing a lot of the same

890
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Speaker 1: stuff he is today. And you know, sid Bream wins

891
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 1: the nineteen ninety two NLCS for Atlanta and then for

892
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:07,839
Speaker 1: years the famous radio call for skip carry is what

893
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 1: echoes throughout the South and it still does and I

894
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:12,839
Speaker 1: love that. But Sean McDonough had the national play by

895
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Speaker 1: play on CBS, and for my money, it is the

896
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Speaker 1: it's not one of It is the quintessential national broadcast

897
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,839
Speaker 1: call in the history of baseball. Now I'm biased because

898
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 1: it had to do with my team. So then you

899
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Speaker 1: fast forward years later and McDonough's still at the top

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Speaker 1: of his game and he's doing college football, he's doing

901
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 1: a playoff game. You're there alongside him. So number one,

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Speaker 1: I just want you to know how blessed you are,

903
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Speaker 1: and number two, I want to know where is your

904
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Speaker 1: mind at in terms of preparation and also really early

905
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Speaker 1: thoughts on this thing. Washington, Texas. I saw Washington in

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Speaker 1: person twice this year. They made me look foolish both

907
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Speaker 1: times because I thought they were going to lose both

908
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Speaker 1: Oregon games, and now lo behol They're sitting there pack

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Speaker 1: twelve champ undefeated playing Texas.

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Speaker 2: I think it's pretty funny because I think if we

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Speaker 2: would have just taken your weekly picks your Ram and

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Speaker 2: Noodle Express or whatever, Washington should be like four to.

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Speaker 1: Nine, Washington would be in the Las Vegas gol. That's

914
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Speaker 1: where they would.

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Speaker 2: You must be the sole reason for their motivation at

916
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 2: this point, Josh Josh Pate is putting putting the big

917
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Speaker 2: chip on the on the puppies shoulder. Look, I I

918
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:23,279
Speaker 2: think you hit it on your on your Sunday show

919
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 2: a few days ago or whatnot. You talked about the

920
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 2: matchups and and the and how they match up. I

921
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 2: think they match up really well. Washington does uh. You

922
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 2: also thought accurately referenced when Texas might have given up

923
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Speaker 2: some yards and how maybe some of their past defense

924
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 2: numbers are a little inflated just because of the circumstances

925
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 2: and the games in which they played big leads turns

926
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Speaker 2: into a throw it on their numbers aren't going to

927
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Speaker 2: look as good. So I think all of that is

928
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Speaker 2: very accurate. I'm really interested in seeing what I think

929
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 2: is maybe the biggest misconception who everyone acknowledges at this

930
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Speaker 2: point that Texas has dudes right. Nobody's pushing back on that,

931
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Speaker 2: like Quinn Youewers five star to and Andre Sweat Byron

932
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 2: Murphy along the defensive line unbelievable. Jalen Ford at linebacker unbelievable,

933
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 2: Jatavian Sanders at tight end unbelievable. Xavier Worthy's been kicking

934
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 2: button taking names for weeks and years. Ady Mitchell's had

935
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 2: big moments in national championship settings. Jordan Wittington's been like

936
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Speaker 2: mister consistent. They probably have a future first round peck

937
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Speaker 2: Pick at left tackle, and Kelvin Banks like everyone knows

938
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Speaker 2: that Texas because they've recruited and places like y'all's like

939
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Speaker 2: two four seven sports. They acknowledge the quality on that roster.

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Speaker 2: What I think is maybe the biggest misconception is how

941
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Speaker 2: unbelievably talented Washington is. If you ask any NFL talent scout,

942
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Speaker 2: they'll tell you, and you can talk to agents, you

943
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:01,920
Speaker 2: can talk to people that have surveyed them in practice

944
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 2: and in person on game day, what have you. They

945
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Speaker 2: have seven guys that are likely going to be drafted

946
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Speaker 2: in the first or second round, maybe more in the

947
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Speaker 2: top one hundred picks. When you take into a guy

948
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Speaker 2: like Ulu fashioht at linebacker, like that guy's got NFL future.

949
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Speaker 2: But then you look at the three receivers, some of

950
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 2: which have missed time this year, but all three receivers

951
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:29,760
Speaker 2: are going to play a long time on Sundays. Michael

952
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 2: Pennix probably a first round pick. If he's not a

953
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Speaker 2: back end of the first round pick, maybe it's higher.

954
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Speaker 2: I don't know how he'll throw against other guys, but

955
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Speaker 2: he's legit. The left tackle, first round pick. The right

956
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:43,880
Speaker 2: tackle probably a top two round pick. I mean, if

957
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Speaker 2: you look at they have Brayln Trice their defensive end,

958
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Speaker 2: I'll be a first round pick. Like I've had a

959
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 2: lot of people, Josh and I don't know if you've

960
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 2: had this, but there's like this perception people have said, well,

961
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Speaker 2: Washington's just like TCUP.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, we might.

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Speaker 2: You might want to keep that one in the drafts.

964
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:08,240
Speaker 2: My man, like that one is very inaccurate. Just because

965
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 2: they throw it all over the yard, just because they

966
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 2: were purple, doesn't make them anything like the TCU Hornfrogs. Okay,

967
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 2: they are not at all similar as far as how

968
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 2: they've been built. Like this is a legit, veteran led

969
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:26,280
Speaker 2: roster that has difference makers. Letulia Sonoa is their defensive

970
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:29,319
Speaker 2: lineman's missed a couple games. Well, he wrecks havoc when

971
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:30,959
Speaker 2: he's in there, and he's been back for the last

972
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Speaker 2: couple of weeks at Detackle, Like when he's in the game,

973
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 2: you cannot run it on him. I don't know why,

974
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:38,840
Speaker 2: but he is an immovable force. So they they have

975
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Speaker 2: guys that are really, really talented. So while I understand

976
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Speaker 2: the helmet game that is Alabama in Michigan, it's in

977
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 2: the Rose Bowl. That game's gonna do a ridiculous number.

978
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Speaker 2: And should I called Bama Michigan in the Citrus Bowl

979
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:57,920
Speaker 2: in twenty nineteen, I think we had fourteen million viewers.

980
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Speaker 2: It was insane, ok insants, So like, that's gonna have

981
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Speaker 2: a crazy audience. It's gonna be compelling, it's gonna be dramatic,

982
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:07,239
Speaker 2: and I think it's gonna be a grinded out type

983
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Speaker 2: of game. Like I don't think both. I don't think

984
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Speaker 2: either offense is going to just turn that thing into

985
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 2: a track meet. I think it's gonna be a grinded

986
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Speaker 2: out and I could see the final being somewhere along

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Speaker 2: the lines of like twenty four to seventeen. In that vicinity,

988
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Speaker 2: it wouldn't shock me whatsoever. But in our game, I

989
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Speaker 2: think it's going to be a track meet.

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Speaker 1: Yep.

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00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:26,880
Speaker 2: I mean, I think both offenses are gonna score. I

992
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:29,400
Speaker 2: think both quarterbacks are gonna play well. It's in a dome.

993
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Speaker 2: Whether it will not be an issue like it has

994
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:34,279
Speaker 2: been multiple times for Washington this year. They're gonna be

995
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:36,239
Speaker 2: healthy for the first time in a while. I mean,

996
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 2: if you look at what Washington's had to endure from

997
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:43,800
Speaker 2: a injury standpoint, McMillan. Their receiver's been out, Letulias Sinoa

998
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 2: has been out. They've had three safeties out for a

999
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:48,960
Speaker 2: vast majority of the season, all of which more than

1000
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 2: likely will be back and will be available for the game.

1001
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:55,920
Speaker 2: They've had multiple guys out of the lineup. They've been

1002
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:58,920
Speaker 2: without their right guard for three or four games this year.

1003
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Speaker 2: So I think that this will be good on good Man,

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00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 2: I mean, this is this is I think a really

1005
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 2: compelling matchup, and I'm thrilled and honored to have the

1006
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Speaker 2: opportunity to call it alongside Sean, Like my career goal

1007
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 2: has been to call a playoff game and then hopefully

1008
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Speaker 2: someday have an opportunity to call a national champion like

1009
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Speaker 2: those those are my goals, and if I call one,

1010
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:23,319
Speaker 2: I'm good, Like we're you know, like we're fine, but

1011
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:25,400
Speaker 2: it's going to be really special to be there in

1012
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Speaker 2: a matchup that I think is really really interesting. So

1013
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Speaker 2: I could see it going both ways. I think it's

1014
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Speaker 2: a coin toss game and it should be a heck

1015
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Speaker 2: of a game to break down.

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Speaker 1: The haters will say that you get no credit for

1017
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Speaker 1: talking Washington on the show because you had to bring

1018
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Speaker 1: someone else on to do it. So even though we

1019
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:44,359
Speaker 1: just dedicated all this time to them, I just want

1020
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Speaker 1: you to know I will get no shine for this whatsoever.

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Speaker 1: Zero absolutely non comment section will be as toxic as

1022
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Speaker 1: it's always been, but I appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Well, you can't worry about the haters because every single

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Speaker 2: tweet that I see, and I think Big Game as

1025
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Speaker 2: you as like number two appropriate that Brandon Walker's number one.

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Speaker 2: I get that, and I know you had a little,

1027
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Speaker 2: a little beef with that on your show a few

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Speaker 2: weeks ago. I'm sitting there at like number ninety nine.

1029
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Speaker 2: The only person that I'm in front of is Big

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Speaker 2: Games to make itself, so I will look The haters

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Speaker 2: might be plentiful as far as Seattle Washington is concerned,

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Speaker 2: but the lovers are very much out there for Josh Pate,

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Speaker 2: and understandably so as it should be.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you know, if I rub the crystal ball,

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Speaker 1: which we do here at twenty four to seven, my

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Speaker 1: one hundred this year, you're gonna call a playoff game

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Speaker 1: on New Year's Day. So who gets a bigger start

1039
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Speaker 1: to twenty twenty four than that? That's got to be

1040
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Speaker 1: worth a whole lot. I would think maybe spring rankings

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Speaker 1: come out and all of a sudden, you're there in

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Speaker 1: the forties and you're primed where. You know, if I

1043
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Speaker 1: take care of business over the summer, don't get arrested

1044
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Speaker 1: anything like that, I surge into fall, you could you

1045
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Speaker 1: could make a meteoric rise. Could be the Washington of

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Speaker 1: this upcoming season. You know.

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Speaker 2: I think I'm okay with where I'm at. Much like

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Speaker 2: a lot of what Big Game Boomer does, I respect

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Speaker 2: and appreciate the troll.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and don't.

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Speaker 2: I don't spend too much time worrying. And like me,

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Speaker 2: MO probably said at one point or another, what other

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Speaker 2: people think of you as none of your business. So

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Speaker 2: I don't know if Mema said that, but she should

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Speaker 2: have you know. That's what I would have to say

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Speaker 2: about if you did.

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Speaker 1: And memo spoken into existence, and here we are Greg

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Speaker 1: McRoy always college football if you want to check it

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