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Speaker 1: it off. I feel like we were both sort of

426
00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:42,960
Speaker 1: like we saw each other in a crowd about something,

427
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:51,160
Speaker 1: some sort of that's it, that's it in full effect. Yes,

428
00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:56,200
Speaker 1: um and she h. We did not know each other

429
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:59,520
Speaker 1: hardly yet all at that point beyond just some some

430
00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:04,239
Speaker 1: wonder full light banter. And we exchanged numbers and she

431
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:07,439
Speaker 1: asked if I would if I wanted to write this

432
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:09,600
Speaker 1: movie with her, and she sent me the outline and

433
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:11,639
Speaker 1: we got coffee and she told me more about the

434
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:16,280
Speaker 1: idea and I was, um so so honored that she

435
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 1: thought of me, and I was like, I'll think about it.

436
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:22,960
Speaker 1: There's the first thing you realized was you had to

437
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:27,720
Speaker 1: destroy this woman. Yes, and that's my ultimate goal. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

438
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:32,000
Speaker 1: she's got to go. Yeah, director, writer, actress, No, no,

439
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:38,840
Speaker 1: we can't have that. Then I was just over the

440
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:42,119
Speaker 1: moon and said yes. And then we we started. We

441
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:44,560
Speaker 1: would just meet, you know, a couple of times a

442
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:46,360
Speaker 1: week for hours and hours and talk it all through

443
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:49,600
Speaker 1: and yeah, here we go, and then here we go

444
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:54,239
Speaker 1: and here we are. So it's some the story of

445
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:58,120
Speaker 1: Christen Stewart and Mackenzie Davis are a couple and they're

446
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:02,040
Speaker 1: sort of living there like sort of very hot life together,

447
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:10,399
Speaker 1: extremely hot Pittsburgh life, literally idyllic Pittsburgh life. I was.

448
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,480
Speaker 1: I watched this with a gredit titleman and she she

449
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 1: was like wanting to munch case to his box the

450
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:18,359
Speaker 1: whole time. It's really sort of a very hot film.

451
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,400
Speaker 1: If you're into Case Do, You're really gonna love this.

452
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,439
Speaker 1: She is. She is like real James Dean in this.

453
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 1: I'll tell you it's not a joke, Like she is hot.

454
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:33,040
Speaker 1: Um but um so they are um in in love

455
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 1: and it's there. It's their first Christmas together, I think,

456
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 1: and like, um so they're gonna go home together. Mackenzie

457
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,480
Speaker 1: Davis is like so in love with Kristin. They're gonna

458
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 1: go home together, and you wouldn't you know it? She

459
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:46,680
Speaker 1: hasn't come out to her family, even though she said

460
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:50,200
Speaker 1: she did. And they are the dad's a politician, they're

461
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 1: sort of a traditional family. Lots of sort of interesting

462
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:58,240
Speaker 1: relationships in the family. Wouldn't you say? I would say,

463
00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 1: I concur and hide Jenkson Sue. I would say, they

464
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 1: sure do, they sure do. And what's beautiful is that

465
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 1: there's a lot of um actors playing opposite sexualities, which

466
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:16,399
Speaker 1: I embrace you, Victor Garber a game and playing buttoned

467
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:23,680
Speaker 1: up straight, playing daddy Plaza, playing playing gorgeous, ethereal lesbian.

468
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 1: Then you have so she's a smoke show? Oh my god,

469
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:36,159
Speaker 1: capital show, capital capitals. Wait and then wait, and then

470
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:40,160
Speaker 1: does Mary count? Is Mary's character straight? No? Are you playing?

471
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 1: Are you? Are you crossing? No? You're not. No, No,

472
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:50,919
Speaker 1: she's just she's just a hetero. She's just just we

473
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 1: could have rewritten the story on this show. I know,

474
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:57,920
Speaker 1: I do want to say. I guess I should make

475
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 1: a statement right now, apologize to me and I am sorry,

476
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 1: and I do I do, I do love the one lie.

477
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:11,680
Speaker 1: So well, okay, this is maybe gonna spoil a little bit,

478
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 1: so I just want to say spoiler alert, but there's

479
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 1: a scene at the end where everyone comes out with

480
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:19,920
Speaker 1: their secrets and Mary says, I don't have a secret,

481
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 1: but I am an ally beautiful an ally to people

482
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:30,120
Speaker 1: with secrets, right, that's right and I and I yes.

483
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 1: So that that such an emotional scene, so much happening,

484
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,119
Speaker 1: and for it too, I feel like Clea did such

485
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 1: an amazing job of orchestrating it and um making a

486
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:46,879
Speaker 1: build for all those characters simultaneously, which is so tricky

487
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 1: to do. So tell everyone who you play though, Yes, wow,

488
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 1: I play the sister of Mackenzie Davis's. Yes, I played Jane.

489
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 1: I play her heart for McKenzie Davis is the youngest sister.

490
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 1: I play the middle sister. And then Alison Bree plays

491
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:09,400
Speaker 1: our older sister. Yes, and we love a solid family

492
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:14,920
Speaker 1: resemblance Vavair style. Oh yeah, we we have her brunettes

493
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 1: across the board, across the board. Also, we should say

494
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 1: again Mary steinberg In plays the mom. She is just

495
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 1: I think one of my favorite people in the world

496
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:30,120
Speaker 1: with you, she's completely delightful. Oh my god, she's amazing. Yeah.

497
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 1: But um, so there's there was one line that Alison

498
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 1: Brie had in the beginning when you first meet when

499
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 1: when when she first meets Christin Stewart's character and she

500
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 1: just goes, she just goes, Hi, I'm Sloan and she

501
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 1: has to leave. She leaves without asking what her name is.

502
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 1: It's so good. Alison's delivery was so good. She really

503
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 1: stepped into that role. I love her as good. Is

504
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 1: she as good as she as you think? Yes, yes,

505
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 1: she's good as good as I think. We we we

506
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 1: also we also asked Betty Gilben that because when we

507
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 1: when Betty came on and they did glow together obviously, UM,

508
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 1: but I feel like we are inching towards maybe getting

509
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 1: some brill on this. You gotta get Brian. Oh, you

510
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:20,959
Speaker 1: have to get I would She's she's so spectacular and

511
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 1: she's so she's so funny. We would play this game

512
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 1: on like in between setups and stuff from uh we

513
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 1: had downtime, we would play like this word game and

514
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 1: she and Mackenzie Davis and Kristen too. The there's like

515
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 1: an element of the game where you have to like

516
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 1: create a clue. Um, And normally it's just like, oh,

517
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 1: it's a sentence or something, but those three would make

518
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 1: and Mary to actually they would make like full rhyming

519
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 1: limericks as a clue. They would invent these incredible riddles

520
00:29:56,440 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 1: that uh that were it was really a sounding. They're

521
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 1: also funny, and Allison is just such a bright light

522
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 1: of a human. I think this is like as convincing

523
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 1: of a family in a Christmas movie since The Family Stone.

524
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 1: I want to say, like, like Mary Stein Virgin, Victor

525
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 1: Garber got Mary Holland, and then you got you got

526
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 1: Mackenzie Davis, you got Alison Bree, Like like, look at

527
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 1: that there is used on paper. It's great you're saying,

528
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 1: like it just it just it works, and it's so

529
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 1: I don't know, it was just just just so so wonderful.

530
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 1: I'm so glad you liked it that it warms my heart.

531
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 1: It really put me in the spirit. It really put

532
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 1: me on the spirit, and I'm so happy that it's

533
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 1: obviously so easy for everyone to watch because you just

534
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 1: can streaming on damn Hulu. It's hard lately to feel

535
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 1: in the spirit of Christmas, and honestly, watching the movie

536
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 1: Happiest Season made me say, I actually am gonna gonna

537
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 1: do more of Christmas stuff, So I'm trying to turn

538
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 1: my turn, my thing to show you Christmas a little

539
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 1: Christmas tree. It's so shitty, but it's mine tree on

540
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 1: the floor. It's on the floor. Yeah, it's four feet tall.

541
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 1: But literally before Happiest season, I would never have gotten

542
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 1: that tree. She goes, Oh wow, it's but like for

543
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 1: real though, it is so funny. You are so good

544
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 1: in it, talk about like we were not kidding when

545
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 1: we said steal the movie like you you like really

546
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 1: are so good. Oh, Matt, thank you. Listen. Now that

547
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 1: we've buttered you up, Um, I have to, I guess,

548
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 1: but now we have to pick a bone with you. Okay,

549
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 1: you're gonna put me right in the toaster. What was

550
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 1: with the way that you treated me on Survivor form

551
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 1: the way because you stabbed me in the back? And

552
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 1: I did, I know, I know, and I have to

553
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 1: tell you. I listen, I really really struggled with the

554
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 1: choice that I made in the game and how it

555
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 1: impacted you. I did. I can't tell you. I really

556
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 1: cried a lot, and I really did. She wears her

557
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 1: heart honestly, if she does, I do. And the here's

558
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 1: the thing, we as fans of Survivor, we know that

559
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 1: the name of the game is, Hey, what's gonna get

560
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 1: me further? How can I set myself up to continue

561
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 1: to play below the radar but still make big moves?

562
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 1: And of course, you know, as someone who is such

563
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 1: a fan of the game and observes people playing with

564
00:32:56,320 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 1: with such um such incredible well skills of social manipulation,

565
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 1: I thought to myself, well what if I what if

566
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 1: I were to step into that and play the game

567
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 1: as hard as I could. And now that's not to

568
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 1: say Matt that the conversations that we had as as friends.

569
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 1: I know, I'm kidding. I did she she turned around

570
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 1: and voted me out, and I literally I instamed her,

571
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 1: and because while the game was while the game was

572
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 1: still going, I was out. This was not because honestly

573
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 1: this was against the rules, but I did anyway. I

574
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 1: instadium her and I was like, what you did to

575
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 1: me has really hurt me. And the only way that

576
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 1: we can sort of get through this is if you

577
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 1: come on lost coach, and I want you to know

578
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 1: that my I don't think so honey is about you

579
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 1: and this week. And then she said, I am so

580
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 1: sorry for the ways in which I hurt you, and

581
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 1: I hope that we can separate the game from from

582
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 1: from our real life. And I was like, oh my god,

583
00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 1: I'm so fine. I don't know. Oh my god, Matt,

584
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 1: you have you have no idea? I really like I

585
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:08,360
Speaker 1: I have. I this is a person that is important

586
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 1: to me and whose friend is important to me, and

587
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 1: I've ruined it and from what and what games? No,

588
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 1: you can't let you can't let Matt just sort of

589
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 1: outplay you when he's not even in the game. You

590
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 1: emtionally manipulated when he's gone that game. It turned me

591
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 1: right on my head. I was it was so intense

592
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 1: and and you know what I learned and I can't

593
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 1: do it, could never. We we had the question of

594
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:40,839
Speaker 1: of oh, what would it be like to play this game?

595
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 1: And the answer is, well, you can't and you should

596
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 1: you shouldn't. Well, who's Matt whose play style? Would you say,

597
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 1: Mary remind did you have from Survivor the show? I

598
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 1: would say chaos Cast. I would say Mary was definitely

599
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 1: a chaos Cast of chances. I don't know if you

600
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 1: know chaos Cast Bowen, but like, I've never seen what

601
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,439
Speaker 1: I'd say. If you want to get to know chaos Cast,

602
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 1: you can currently stream Cagayan, which is one of the

603
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 1: best seasons of Survivor. I think you would agree, Mary,

604
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 1: I agree, absolutely. It's currently on Netflix, and it is

605
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 1: a it's just a few seasons on Netflix, right, they

606
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 1: have and they have they have Here's versus Villains. It's

607
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,959
Speaker 1: so goofy the way they're doing this. I don't because

608
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 1: I wouldn't recommend watching either of those seasons. Yeah, yeah,

609
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 1: of course, that is interesting that they just chose those

610
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 1: to stream there. I think maybe it's because they have

611
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:35,359
Speaker 1: like reputation as the best seasons maybe right, right, yes, yes,

612
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 1: people have been reaching out asking us again for our

613
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 1: Survivors syllabus. It's it's just because Mary is a huge,

614
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:48,240
Speaker 1: huge Survivor fan. Correct, huge. So what I tell people

615
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 1: for islands Pearl Islands, Oh that's great, yeah, Cook Islands,

616
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 1: Cook Islands, China, China, Micronesia. I have added token teens

617
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:03,720
Speaker 1: onto this, oh yeah, and then Heroes versus Villains and

618
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 1: then and then I say, talk to me, because that

619
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 1: actually I think that that that order sets up heroes

620
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:18,280
Speaker 1: versus villains in a way. And some people add Panama

621
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 1: to this so that you can get the origin of surree.

622
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,799
Speaker 1: But I feel you don't necessarily need the origin of

623
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 1: Surree because she's really the Then again, you do get

624
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 1: Danielle to on Panama. I don't know, Like I don't,

625
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:32,240
Speaker 1: I didn't. I don't necessarily need that season to understand

626
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 1: why Surree is is unbelievable if you're trying to quickly

627
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 1: get through it to watch heroes versus villains, like Micronesia

628
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 1: is Surree Town and she's an icon that I think

629
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 1: that is an amazing syllabus and I think, um, all

630
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 1: of the students of this podcast should study up. Yeah

631
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 1: we've given them homework before, Okay, Um, but yeah, can

632
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:57,839
Speaker 1: you wait? Can you? I just I still don't understand

633
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 1: how survivor quarantine work to like, how how many how

634
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 1: many hours in the day did you guys spend like

635
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 1: on the island talk about like what the like what

636
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 1: the twenty four hours a day? Yeah? I mean now

637
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 1: they have shifted it. I think because of our season

638
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 1: they now they can only communicate in a certain like

639
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 1: window of time during the day. But it was truly

640
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 1: like how who whenever you could be on slack and

641
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 1: talking to people any hour of the day or night. Um,

642
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,360
Speaker 1: it was so maddening and I feel like there was

643
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 1: this element to it that made it so so much

644
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 1: more like and I, of course I have never played

645
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 1: the actual games. I don't know, but if I think

646
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 1: about playing the actual game, I think about like, Okay,

647
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 1: well people are gonna see me walking away with Matt

648
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,320
Speaker 1: and no, we're gonna we're having a conversation. But in

649
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 1: Quarantine Island, no one knows who's talking to who, Like

650
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 1: there's no there's no dual for that. So it had

651
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 1: so many layers of deception, and it is so intense.

652
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 1: It was a low point of jaredinized relationship. Let's just

653
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 1: say that it was. Yeah, he he was like you

654
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 1: I He was like, I have to tell you something.

655
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 1: I can't wait for you to get voted out. He

656
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 1: was like, I root for you for everything, but I

657
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:24,279
Speaker 1: can't wait for you to get voted out because I

658
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 1: would like. It was just like so intense in a

659
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 1: way where it's like I signed up for it. I

660
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 1: don't know how you felt, Mary, but I was like, oh,

661
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 1: this will be fun. And I was honestly looking for

662
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 1: something to do online to like sort of entertain people

663
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 1: that followed me with I was like, maybe some people

664
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 1: will will actually follow along and then unfortunately, like I

665
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 1: don't know how you are, but I can't really help myself,

666
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 1: and I ended up getting very invested into it and

667
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 1: immediately made huge mistakes, Like I was just like, I

668
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: mean there was a tribal council where I stunted on

669
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 1: those It was so hard and it was like the

670
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:06,360
Speaker 1: third it was fantastic. I mean it was it was

671
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 1: musty TV. It was musty TV. But it put a

672
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 1: target target on my back that could never come off.

673
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 1: I mean, I think Mary saw it him was like, Okay,

674
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 1: he needs to go. Yeah, we're you're doing like either

675
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 1: a challenge or um a council, a tribal council like

676
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 1: every other day, so you're and sometimes you're doing like

677
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:33,879
Speaker 1: back to back tribals and like you it is just

678
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 1: it's so chaotic and there's no time to like settled

679
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,839
Speaker 1: into it. Like I feel like our nervous systems were

680
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 1: peak like alert for an entire month and it was

681
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 1: um so emotional and really and really really wild. I

682
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 1: don't know if if that gets compounded by the fact

683
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 1: that it was like early lockdown days. Absolutely it was

684
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 1: like it was like I think because we were still

685
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 1: in that lockdown phase where it's like, oh, no one's

686
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 1: doing anything that it completely filled up like time. And

687
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 1: also it wasn't like you were playing for a million dollars.

688
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 1: I think it was playing for a couple of hundred bucks.

689
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:17,319
Speaker 1: But we all acted like we were and it was

690
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 1: so crazy. Ultimately, though, at the end of the season,

691
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:23,839
Speaker 1: we had like this final travel council where we all

692
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 1: voted and everything and did the whole thing and I

693
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:27,840
Speaker 1: got to ask questions. We were both on the jury,

694
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:30,359
Speaker 1: so we both got to like have that moment and

695
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 1: like it was such drama. And then honestly, this girl,

696
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:38,919
Speaker 1: Brittany the right person. She earned it for sure. Um,

697
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 1: but my whole goal, I will say, going into this season,

698
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:44,880
Speaker 1: I was like, there's no way I'll win. I simply

699
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:50,359
Speaker 1: I simply can't. But I will try to make it

700
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 1: to the jury. That absolutely my dream. Yeah, we made

701
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 1: the merge and we were all celebrating. It was like

702
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 1: we actually had done the real show. It was like,

703
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 1: this is so if this is always third unhinged exactly

704
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 1: it was I did. I was the five was I

705
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 1: made the mergin that I was the first person voted

706
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 1: out like like like literally unanimously because I had. I

707
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:15,880
Speaker 1: couldn't believe I made it that far, Like I I

708
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 1: had shake, I had been doing such shady ship and

709
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 1: I was I was. I was like I started to

710
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:25,959
Speaker 1: actively play a villain, like just would be funny. I did,

711
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:30,359
Speaker 1: but it got crazy and people's feelings really got and

712
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 1: like like in a real way, like some people that

713
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 1: like it was crazy, and then like the way that

714
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 1: people were talking about me, I was like, oh no,

715
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:42,840
Speaker 1: it really feels it and I can, like, of course,

716
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:47,359
Speaker 1: now that I've had six months to process, I can

717
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 1: I can like look at that and be like, oh wow, Yeah.

718
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 1: I really did get so emotionally invested, and everybody who

719
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 1: played did into different degrees. The week or two coming

720
00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 1: out of it, I I cried so much with my

721
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 1: relationship to Matt. Was like, this can't be all that

722
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 1: we have happening. But but seriously it was. It was

723
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 1: like I considered like myself and you very normal people,

724
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:18,839
Speaker 1: but I was just like, I was like, this is

725
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 1: so it just really like the stakes were so high

726
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 1: because it played on a paranoia and also because it

727
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 1: took place over social media. I think it played on

728
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:31,880
Speaker 1: this sort of paranoia and social media thing, like it

729
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:33,839
Speaker 1: was all over slack. So it was just very easy

730
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 1: to get on slack and stay on slack. And like

731
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 1: I said, this was during a more like like like

732
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:41,799
Speaker 1: you were saying, Bowen, like during a more uncertain time

733
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 1: in the pandemic. So that was also weird. But ultimately

734
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 1: I'm very happy that that we played because I do

735
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 1: think that, um, it was it was some it was

736
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 1: some fun moments. There were some fun moments, and it

737
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 1: was it was sort of you know, it's very I

738
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 1: really have trouble accessing my rage and not that I

739
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:06,880
Speaker 1: did access it. I didn't, but it was fun to

740
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 1: get close. Still it's still more work to be done,

741
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:17,760
Speaker 1: but it was it was like it's such a crash

742
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 1: course and like doing things for your own self interest

743
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:25,839
Speaker 1: and you know, screwing people over in the meantime and

744
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 1: that is you know, and now that's how I live

745
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 1: my life and I love it. Wow. And now she's

746
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 1: the Hollywood big shot. I mean she's she's in a

747
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:44,880
Speaker 1: Damn You Christmas the family classic she created on her Okay,

748
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:46,720
Speaker 1: so I think it might be time to ask the question,

749
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 1: bow Mary. We want to ask you what was the

750
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 1: culture that made you say culture is for me? Mat

751
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 1: What does that mean, well, this sort of is you know,

752
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 1: we should say we asked this of all lost culture, yes, Margatro,

753
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 1: because we got to cared. No. Um, we want to

754
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:05,879
Speaker 1: know what was the culture that you can look back

755
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 1: on in your life and say, wow, that pop culture

756
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:13,360
Speaker 1: that moment in my life, uh, really sort of defined

757
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 1: me and made me follow an instinct I may not

758
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 1: have prior to engaging with that culture. I have an

759
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 1: answer for you. My answer is the Lord of the

760
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 1: Rings franchise. And this sort of this sort of comes

761
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 1: all the way full circle because your character in the

762
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 1: movie is very into writing her sort of sci fi yes,

763
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 1: her fantasy novel. It's really it has expanded so much

764
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 1: just the little details that we've added that I feel like,

765
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 1: were I to really try to write The Shadow Dreamers

766
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 1: and The Second Sister, it would be in ten volumes

767
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,760
Speaker 1: and it would take me seven years between each volume.

768
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 1: But you do you have the general outline or you

769
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:59,800
Speaker 1: have the Lord figured out? Yeah? Yeah, as a sketch,

770
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:03,720
Speaker 1: there's like a loose sket of the lore was immediate,

771
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 1: more specific obviously, but um, but yes, that all started

772
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 1: for me in a very formative time in my life,

773
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:14,880
Speaker 1: and I was I think the first Lord of the

774
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:17,879
Speaker 1: Rings Fellowship of the Ring. Yeah, I think that came

775
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 1: out when I was like twelve or thirteen, the movie,

776
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:24,359
Speaker 1: the movie, the movie, because the book's famously came up

777
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 1: over three yar ago, and the book not a century ago.

778
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 1: I think, yes, a Fellowship of the Ring came out

779
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 1: the four in the almost a century. Wait, okay, the

780
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 1: Hobby came out in ven um. Sorry, it doesn't matter.

781
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 1: Hold on not quite a century, but almost I've been

782
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:57,319
Speaker 1: I've been corrected. Look, wait, and is it was Lord

783
00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 1: of the Rings a parable? Not a parable? But was

784
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 1: that mapped on a World War Two at all? That?

785
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 1: That's Harry Potter. We do know that is that there

786
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 1: are some analyzes of the of the book that that

787
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 1: um draw those parallels. But I don't know if J. R.

788
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:15,759
Speaker 1: Tolkien ever came out right and said like he never

789
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:19,319
Speaker 1: said it's the war girl. Yeah, he didn't, And he

790
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:23,760
Speaker 1: had plenty of opportunities, plenty of opportunities. Had a content.

791
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:25,760
Speaker 1: Han says, he said he wanted it to be more universal.

792
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 1: There's a quote I'll find. Look, he's off to get

793
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 1: the quote. He's off. Okay, so sorry we cut you off. Mary.

794
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:34,760
Speaker 1: So the start. It started out when the first movie

795
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 1: came out and she was one. I had never seen

796
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 1: anything like it. I had never seen anything like it,

797
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 1: and I didn't. It's sort of you know, as a

798
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:50,439
Speaker 1: as a kid, I was very imaginative. I I could

799
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:53,800
Speaker 1: really keep myself entertained for hours and hours just playing

800
00:46:53,840 --> 00:47:04,840
Speaker 1: by myself, creating words. I'm fine, fine, yes, yes, But

801
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:07,759
Speaker 1: I had never I didn't really know much about the

802
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:11,399
Speaker 1: fantasy genre. Like I feel like I read or had

803
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 1: read to me the one of the books of the

804
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:16,320
Speaker 1: Chronicles of Narnier or something and loved it. But it wasn't.

805
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 1: It was not a facet of my passion that it

806
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 1: was that facet was was asleep, was asleep in a cave,

807
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 1: much like smile ye, yes, yes, naturally a title of that,

808
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:41,359
Speaker 1: much like wait, hold on, we have quote. We have quote? Okay, um,

809
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 1: he said, Ton says, dramatic reading in gan Delf voice necessary. So, actually, Mary,

810
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:47,880
Speaker 1: would you like to do the honors and read this?

811
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 1: Oh my fucking god. Yes. I cordially dislike Allory in

812
00:47:56,719 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 1: all its manifestations, and always have done so, so old

813
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 1: and weary enough to detect its presence. I much prefer history,

814
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 1: true or fame with its very applicability to the thought

815
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:12,959
Speaker 1: and experience of readers. I think that many confused applicability

816
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 1: with allegory, But the one resides in the freedom of

817
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 1: the reader, and the other in the purposed domination of

818
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 1: the author. Wow. First of all, we have to applaud

819
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:30,360
Speaker 1: the reading first, thank you readers. Applaud the reading. And

820
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:34,399
Speaker 1: then we have to applaud that incredible research by Head

821
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 1: of Contents. Yes, that was beautiful and what an amazing quote.

822
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 1: It really is a beautiful, beautiful, beautiful so um you

823
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:46,800
Speaker 1: you go see the movie and it's a it's a moment.

824
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 1: It's a moment. It felt like something unfurled within me

825
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:55,800
Speaker 1: that I did not know was there. And it totally

826
00:48:55,960 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 1: like I've of course became a massive fan of the

827
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 1: Lord of the Rings movies, went back, read the Hobbit

828
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 1: in its entirety, read the books, read the Lord of

829
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 1: the Rings books. Like I. I just really was like,

830
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 1: Oh my god, there's this whole there's this whole world

831
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:17,839
Speaker 1: that was just created and you and that you don't

832
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:21,360
Speaker 1: have to like you can I can live in that world.

833
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 1: I don't have to. Does that make sense? Like it's

834
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 1: it's almost like, oh my god, this whole thing was

835
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 1: just is there for me the whole time, and I

836
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:31,920
Speaker 1: had no idea. I'm laughing because it's one of the

837
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 1: funniest lines in the movie where you go it takes

838
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:38,360
Speaker 1: a long time to build the world, And it's true.

839
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 1: I had to stop it and rewind it like like

840
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 1: ten times. It was so funny. It takes a long

841
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:51,320
Speaker 1: time to builds her Wine like such a good character.

842
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 1: It really really really is that you didn't you killed

843
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:56,840
Speaker 1: it writing it for yourself and not to not to

844
00:49:57,040 --> 00:50:00,719
Speaker 1: not to move away from the lord the rings. I

845
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 1: want to know, was it sort of the grandeur? Was

846
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:05,360
Speaker 1: it the fantasy was or was it just the big

847
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 1: like was it the um complex? Like how many characters

848
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:11,279
Speaker 1: there were? It? Was it? Just? What was it? I

849
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:13,920
Speaker 1: think it was a combination of all those things. I

850
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 1: think I sort of like found I almost found a

851
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 1: solace in it. It was like, um, the colors of

852
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:25,400
Speaker 1: that world and the sort of the like thinking of

853
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:29,360
Speaker 1: Hobbiton in the Shire, and it just made me feel

854
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:34,319
Speaker 1: so safe, And you know, I was entering puberty in

855
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:38,280
Speaker 1: a time that's decidedly not safe and feels really scary

856
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 1: and overwhelming and so I feel like I really took

857
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 1: up shelter in the in the in how detailed and

858
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 1: nuanced this world was. And the story, of course is

859
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:52,319
Speaker 1: so beautiful as well, like that the messages of like

860
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 1: even the smallest person can change the course of the future. Yes,

861
00:50:56,960 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 1: oh my god, was it? But was particular was a

862
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 1: particular scene in the movie so riveting to you? Like

863
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 1: for me, it's like ball rog like that has to

864
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 1: be like the moment where I'm like, oh, I'm in

865
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 1: absolutely I was crushed, crushed, Oh my god, I and

866
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 1: I thought how they captured that moment with all the

867
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:25,840
Speaker 1: Hobbits like sobbing and like like holding each other like

868
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 1: really grieving. I just I scream cried and I did. Um.

869
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:35,880
Speaker 1: But I do think that there there was like a

870
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 1: moment in the movie. It's actually right before that, that

871
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:43,439
Speaker 1: huge scene. But by the way, I'm just clutching chapstick. Yes,

872
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:51,959
Speaker 1: you got on something nice. It is nice to hold. Um.

873
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 1: I burst my bliss decks. I burst my bliss decks

874
00:51:56,640 --> 00:52:00,839
Speaker 1: in my hand talking about Dan Dolf's death today, I'm

875
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:04,240
Speaker 1: lost cultures. Now there's bliss tics all over my hands.

876
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:07,400
Speaker 1: Is this is this? Are you talking about the Council

877
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:10,319
Speaker 1: of Land. Oh, I love that thing too. I mean,

878
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 1: there's so many things I love. The thing I was

879
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 1: gonna talk about was the moment when Um when they're

880
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 1: like waiting for Gandalf to remember which way to go

881
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 1: in Maria and he's like, he doesn't remember which tunnel,

882
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:23,280
Speaker 1: and so all they're all just like waiting for Gandalf

883
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 1: to remember. And and then and Frodo, Oh this when

884
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:29,440
Speaker 1: they first see Gallum too. Gallen's kind of lurking around,

885
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:33,400
Speaker 1: and Gandal kind of fills Frodo in on who Gallum is.

886
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:37,040
Speaker 1: And then Frodo, I, you know, feeling the weight of

887
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 1: this thing he's been tasked with, says um, Oh, I

888
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:44,439
Speaker 1: wish the ring had never come to me. I wish

889
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 1: none of this had happened. And then Gandolf says what

890
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 1: might be my favorite quote in any movie ever. He says,

891
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 1: so do all who live to see such times, But

892
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 1: that is not for them to decide. All we have

893
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 1: to decide is what to do with the time that

894
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:05,879
Speaker 1: is given to us. And that's when I knew. That's

895
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 1: when I knew. That's when you said culture beautiful for me.

896
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:14,879
Speaker 1: Culture is for me. That's as good as that's as

897
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:18,799
Speaker 1: good an answer as anything truly, like like the Lord

898
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:21,719
Speaker 1: of the Rings is is major. I'm not the first

899
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:26,360
Speaker 1: person to say this, but here's I'm about to reveal something.

900
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:29,880
Speaker 1: I'm about to reveal something that is like Hugh Grant

901
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 1: killing his not killing his sister, but letting his sister

902
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 1: get hit by a car in the undoing level, like sociopath.

903
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 1: So not the biggest secret in the series, but one

904
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 1: of the bigger ones, one of the bigger ones that

905
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:44,440
Speaker 1: like truly paints a dark picture of the of the person.

906
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 1: It makes us kind of cockr eyebrow. Yeah, ready, you're ready.

907
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:54,759
Speaker 1: So I was obsessed with The Lord of the Rings

908
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:59,280
Speaker 1: the first movie as well, and bought the video games

909
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:02,279
Speaker 1: on game Boy Advance and I believe, I believe that

910
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 1: was that was the only console I had, and I

911
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:05,319
Speaker 1: was obsessed with Lord of the Rings. And then I

912
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:10,440
Speaker 1: we went to Borders one day and bought paperback versions

913
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 1: of all three books. I started Fellowship at the Ring,

914
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 1: could not make it past the first sixty pages. I

915
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 1: also tried to read it, but then it's a lot,

916
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 1: but I needed to, like, I knew I needed to

917
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:27,280
Speaker 1: like experience it and know more about the world without

918
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:32,280
Speaker 1: doing the actual reading that. I joined a message board online.

919
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:34,759
Speaker 1: Have you told you this, Matt, No, I was gonna

920
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:37,279
Speaker 1: guess that you were like cleft notes, but no, I

921
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:39,560
Speaker 1: joined a message where I didn't even do that. But

922
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 1: I joined a message board online called the Council of

923
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 1: Elrond where they had where they had like Elvish lessons

924
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:49,920
Speaker 1: to teach how to write in Elvish and speak in Elvish.

925
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 1: I'm losing it. It might still be around in some

926
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 1: form or to do like the way Back Machine and

927
00:54:56,719 --> 00:54:58,239
Speaker 1: like look it up. But then there would be like

928
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:00,160
Speaker 1: message boards on there that that where you would you

929
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 1: role plays, like text based role plays that have nothing

930
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:05,840
Speaker 1: to do with Lord of the Rings but could be

931
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:07,719
Speaker 1: inspired by the Lord of the Rings. And so then

932
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:10,680
Speaker 1: I would like I was like I was eleven years old,

933
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:12,520
Speaker 1: and I would be like on these message boards, like

934
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:17,800
Speaker 1: pretending to play different characters in high fantasy laping online.

935
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 1: But it's like all like long form text things, and

936
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:22,839
Speaker 1: like people would post in there like once, but you'd

937
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 1: be like building a story together, like one post by

938
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:29,480
Speaker 1: one posts. Sometimes the stories would be like legit good,

939
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:31,800
Speaker 1: And I was I did not know how to write

940
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:35,839
Speaker 1: like at all. Um So I was just kind of

941
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:39,040
Speaker 1: like going in there my esl ask just like throwing

942
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:41,400
Speaker 1: stuff in. But like it was like Lord of the

943
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:44,120
Speaker 1: Rings was like a gateway for me to like get

944
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:48,280
Speaker 1: into storytelling. I feel the same way. Oh my god,

945
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:53,400
Speaker 1: really connecting, connecting. I want to find those message boards.

946
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:56,919
Speaker 1: I did. They're out there, they must be out there.

947
00:55:57,360 --> 00:56:01,120
Speaker 1: I went on Nicole Buyer and Lauren laugh his Newcomers podcast.

948
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 1: They covered The Lord of the Rings in their second season,

949
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 1: and I, you know, just consumed the special features on

950
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:14,000
Speaker 1: all the special extended edition of the DVDs of the movies,

951
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:19,399
Speaker 1: and there is DVDs were gorgeous. They were they were

952
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 1: like a book. Yeah, because that was like when DVDs

953
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 1: were having in the moment, and I remember we got

954
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 1: surround sound and it was like that that when you

955
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:30,480
Speaker 1: first got surround sound, Like that was like my family

956
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 1: sprung for like a nice DVD player with surround sound,

957
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:35,360
Speaker 1: and it was like The Lord of the Rings is

958
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 1: one of the first movies we watched because it was

959
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:42,680
Speaker 1: like designer specifically to create that experience and just fully

960
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:46,960
Speaker 1: immersed in the world. Um. But liv Tyler talks about

961
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:49,279
Speaker 1: how she took lessons in Elvish and like how to

962
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 1: pronounce it? And I, you know, I pause it everywounded

963
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:56,960
Speaker 1: and rewatch that and pause it rewounded and rewatch it.

964
00:56:57,320 --> 00:57:00,479
Speaker 1: I was like, so I was desperate to be an elf.

965
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:06,400
Speaker 1: That was your choice. I wanted to be an elfit

966
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 1: a hobbit or you know, I mean the Hobbits? Are

967
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:14,920
Speaker 1: you know there? Listened? They changed changed the world the world.

968
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 1: Were you horny for Orlando Bloom as legalists? And I was?

969
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:26,920
Speaker 1: And I was at I knew there was something about

970
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:31,680
Speaker 1: that Orlando Bloom at the time. I think the character

971
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:34,200
Speaker 1: that I did just find myself drawn to the most

972
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:38,800
Speaker 1: was liv Tyler as our one, because she iconically sort

973
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:41,120
Speaker 1: of wrote up on that horse and took out the

974
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:43,480
Speaker 1: sword and said, if you want him, come and claim him.

975
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:46,760
Speaker 1: And I was like, that is the badass girl boss,

976
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:51,320
Speaker 1: Queen of y. And it says that in the in

977
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:58,080
Speaker 1: the character description in the books, it's girl boss, hot,

978
00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:07,120
Speaker 1: hot but approachable queen Elf strang skincare legend. Yeah. Gwyneth

979
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:12,160
Speaker 1: Paltrow brunette type, what what is your what is um?

980
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:16,800
Speaker 1: What is your favorite film of the three? It's really

981
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:19,600
Speaker 1: hard to say. I think it would have to be fellowship,

982
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:21,800
Speaker 1: just because that's the one that started it all for me,

983
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:25,240
Speaker 1: started at all, started at all, but I was just

984
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 1: emotionally totally walloped by all three of them. Love them all.

985
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:34,640
Speaker 1: Two Towers, boy, because two Towers is where like it

986
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 1: starts to pick up the ring. It's a bit of

987
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:40,880
Speaker 1: a slog, that's the only thing it has going against it.

988
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 1: And once you get to two Towers, that's when that's

989
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:47,320
Speaker 1: when it's like the juicy stuff you you know, Surman's deal.

990
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:52,480
Speaker 1: Um yeah, a owen come helms deep. It really gets

991
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:56,040
Speaker 1: going and the ends like tree Beard Like it's like

992
00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:58,440
Speaker 1: like I fucking two Towers is where like the world

993
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:00,960
Speaker 1: starts to build out. More like like when the fact

994
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:03,200
Speaker 1: that they split up, I'm so horny for Like what

995
00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:09,880
Speaker 1: a beautiful for it too, I'm horny for it. I

996
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:13,560
Speaker 1: get the healthy I think. I just to speak of

997
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:17,360
Speaker 1: horny is like I kind of appreciate a climax, So

998
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:21,120
Speaker 1: you know, I'm gonna love twelve climaxes, which is why

999
00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:23,520
Speaker 1: I love Return of the King because it famously has

1000
00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:27,880
Speaker 1: about forty five endings. Yeah, like it's so epic and

1001
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:33,680
Speaker 1: so like just like metaphorical je squirt cinematically and multiple,

1002
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:39,480
Speaker 1: multiple cinematic orgasms. It will be that and so. But

1003
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:42,200
Speaker 1: but I also appreciate the Two Towers because sort of

1004
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:45,640
Speaker 1: like the reason why my favorite Star Wars is actually

1005
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:48,520
Speaker 1: in both trilogies. Empire Strikes Back and The Last Jedi

1006
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:51,200
Speaker 1: are my favorites because I feel that's when they actually

1007
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:55,480
Speaker 1: do the emotional work, Like the emotional work happens in

1008
00:59:55,520 --> 01:00:00,360
Speaker 1: those middle films of the Clones too. Of course, of

1009
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:02,200
Speaker 1: of course an attack of the Clones as well the

1010
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:06,439
Speaker 1: other great cinematic masterpieces. Absolutely, we're totally agreed on that.

1011
01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:09,720
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you, like, because you so love

1012
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:12,600
Speaker 1: Lord of the Rings and so appreciate that world, does

1013
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:16,760
Speaker 1: that mean that you are more susceptible to other types

1014
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:20,560
Speaker 1: of cinematic worlds Allah, your Star Wars, You're Harry Potter,

1015
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:23,120
Speaker 1: You're all these types of things? Or do you find

1016
01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:26,040
Speaker 1: yourself comparing it to the Big Mama that you love

1017
01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:28,240
Speaker 1: so much and therefore everything pails in comparison? Like where

1018
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:30,680
Speaker 1: do you Avatar? Even? Like where do you fall on

1019
01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:34,120
Speaker 1: this scale? Once again? I mean I I think, I

1020
01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:38,760
Speaker 1: mean if if I'm sort of in the center, I

1021
01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:47,400
Speaker 1: think the because centrist, I'm like Bob. Yeah, a centrist, centrist, centrist, queen,

1022
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:52,800
Speaker 1: Queen Kamala, etcetera. The one isn't wearing a shirt right now?

1023
01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:56,920
Speaker 1: Into the cart again, that Queen Kamala. And then below

1024
01:00:56,960 --> 01:00:59,160
Speaker 1: it it's just her laughing, a really big laugh. And

1025
01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:04,040
Speaker 1: below it it says Janet yelling, girl boss. That's what

1026
01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:09,000
Speaker 1: it says. A picture of Kamala Harris. Yeah, she's wearing

1027
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:12,880
Speaker 1: her pride jacket. Oh got it? Okay, yeah, um, gotta

1028
01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:22,400
Speaker 1: got it. Lord of the Rings is the cent I'm

1029
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:24,680
Speaker 1: sorry we keep cutting you on, no please, I I

1030
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:27,680
Speaker 1: love it. I thrive on it. Yes, I think Lord

1031
01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:30,200
Speaker 1: of the Rings is that sort of like constantly what

1032
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:33,120
Speaker 1: everything will be compared to, however, when it is a

1033
01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:37,360
Speaker 1: really specific, well structured, well built out world. And does

1034
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:40,280
Speaker 1: it help that it's like a period piece, like a

1035
01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:44,840
Speaker 1: piece that takes place in some in some long forgotten past. Yes.

1036
01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:47,720
Speaker 1: And I think that's what I love so much about

1037
01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:51,840
Speaker 1: Harry Potter too, is that that world, while it is

1038
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:56,200
Speaker 1: like modern, it's also has such a deep history and

1039
01:01:56,240 --> 01:01:58,560
Speaker 1: there's still so many elements of it that feel very

1040
01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:02,080
Speaker 1: like locked in this specific period of time. Yeah, it is,

1041
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:04,760
Speaker 1: it is. It is weirdly enough a period piece. Yea,

1042
01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:08,920
Speaker 1: it is one of the rings, though I will always

1043
01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:12,480
Speaker 1: admire how he they just they just kept it at three.

1044
01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:14,440
Speaker 1: I mean there's like still Merillion, there's Hobbit, there's like

1045
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:17,280
Speaker 1: all the other stuff. But it's like he did not

1046
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:20,280
Speaker 1: want to mess with like the core of what he had.

1047
01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:24,320
Speaker 1: And then because now you have jakere Rolling like appending

1048
01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:28,000
Speaker 1: all this stuff on too, I don't even count her

1049
01:02:28,040 --> 01:02:31,520
Speaker 1: as a human being in the past six years. I

1050
01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:37,439
Speaker 1: would like to stop her narrative where where where Yeah,

1051
01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:40,480
Speaker 1: she's just I'm actually I've actually completely moved on from

1052
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:42,800
Speaker 1: anything she has created in the past five years or

1053
01:02:42,840 --> 01:02:45,640
Speaker 1: will create in the future. I'm fine. The Harry Potter

1054
01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:48,200
Speaker 1: books are important to me, and they stay frozen and

1055
01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:50,240
Speaker 1: amber as what they are, the piece of work they are,

1056
01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:53,080
Speaker 1: and I don't need her ever Again. Dana Radcliffe put

1057
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Speaker 1: it best. But um, yes did today to click hold

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01:02:56,040 --> 01:03:00,600
Speaker 1: it a thing where um the saga continues, Aker Rolling

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01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:06,200
Speaker 1: reveals Okay, wait, let me let me just pull it

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01:03:06,280 --> 01:03:08,240
Speaker 1: up because because I just I just think it's I

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01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:10,000
Speaker 1: just think it's really used to think it was funny

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01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:13,040
Speaker 1: whenever she'd tweet like and by the way her Mayonne

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01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:17,480
Speaker 1: cousin that was adopted from South Korea. It's just like

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01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:19,840
Speaker 1: this is kind of like, okay, cool, thank you j K.

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01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:23,200
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, she's a transphob Yeah, horrifying.

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Speaker 1: So it's this, it's this ClickHole graphic that says the

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Speaker 1: saga continues. J K Rolling has revealed that the man

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Speaker 1: still Team six thought was Osama bin Laden was actually

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01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:35,439
Speaker 1: Professor McGonagall using a poly juice potion, and the real

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01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:40,840
Speaker 1: Osama bin Laden teaches Sex said at Hogwarts and then

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Speaker 1: did you did you read every tweet in the thread? No?

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01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:46,800
Speaker 1: Did you read? Wait? Okay, it's gonna take a minute,

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01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:50,400
Speaker 1: but I can, I can? I please read the whole thing. Okay,

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01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:52,520
Speaker 1: this is These are all JK rolling tweets and one

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01:03:52,560 --> 01:03:55,160
Speaker 1: giant thread that clickholes like doctor Okay, this is JK

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01:03:55,280 --> 01:03:58,160
Speaker 1: rolling tweeting. And two thousand nine, Professor McGonagall woke up

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01:03:58,160 --> 01:04:01,120
Speaker 1: in the middle of the night and said, I have

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01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:08,080
Speaker 1: a good idea. Then she drank apollo juice postion continue.

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01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:14,120
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I might not make it through this.

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01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:17,720
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. The Colleges potion containing osamaban Land's eye

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01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:20,080
Speaker 1: last which turned her into a perfect people like of him,

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01:04:20,360 --> 01:04:21,760
Speaker 1: and then she flew to it, and then she flew

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01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:25,680
Speaker 1: to a Badabad, Pakistan. On a broomstick, McGonagall find Osamavan

1084
01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:31,720
Speaker 1: Laden McGonagall find some of the Landon's compound. On map

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01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:36,920
Speaker 1: quest one, Osamoman Laddon sees a duplicate of himself standing

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01:04:36,920 --> 01:04:39,120
Speaker 1: at his front door. He says, you're me, Let's get married.

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01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:43,480
Speaker 1: So Saman Osama and McGonagall, who has morphed into some

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01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:48,080
Speaker 1: get married the next day. Professor McGonagall continues drinking the

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01:04:48,120 --> 01:04:52,320
Speaker 1: Osamaban polly juice potion every day so she always looks

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01:04:52,320 --> 01:04:55,320
Speaker 1: like him. When the people of Abadabad see Professor McGonagall

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01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:58,400
Speaker 1: walking around, they stay there goes either Osamaban Laden or

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01:04:58,480 --> 01:05:02,800
Speaker 1: his wife, who has of Osama bin Laden. Professor McGonagall

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01:05:02,840 --> 01:05:06,240
Speaker 1: and Osamaban Laden are completely indistinguishable from one another. Professor

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01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:09,240
Speaker 1: McGonagall starts calling herself Osama bin Laden and calling the

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01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:12,760
Speaker 1: real Osamaban Laden Osamaban Laden Jr. It's impossible to tell

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01:05:13,320 --> 01:05:16,040
Speaker 1: which is which. While she's living her life as Osama,

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01:05:16,080 --> 01:05:19,000
Speaker 1: McGonagall keeps doing weird which things. She buys like fifty

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01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:24,000
Speaker 1: and kills them for spells. She tosses the carcasses into

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01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:26,720
Speaker 1: a big barrel in the yard labeled Osama bin Laden's

1100
01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:31,040
Speaker 1: dead owls. She also helps run out kind of things

1101
01:05:31,120 --> 01:05:33,840
Speaker 1: continue like this for about two years, but then Steel

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01:05:33,880 --> 01:05:36,520
Speaker 1: Team six notices the barrel of al carcass is labeled

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01:05:37,240 --> 01:05:40,440
Speaker 1: Sama bin Laden's Dead owls outside the compound and figured

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01:05:40,520 --> 01:05:43,200
Speaker 1: this is probably where Osama bin Laden is hiding. Okay,

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01:05:43,240 --> 01:05:46,760
Speaker 1: should I finish these? And how much longer are there?

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01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:50,520
Speaker 1: What a story? No? Okay, everyone that I've I've I've lost,

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01:05:50,560 --> 01:05:53,400
Speaker 1: I've lost my audience already. Go on the Clickle Instagram

1108
01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:57,440
Speaker 1: and read the rest of the tweets. It's beautiful. Well,

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01:05:58,200 --> 01:06:02,200
Speaker 1: I'm happy anyway away, thank you. J K. Wait, no,

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01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:04,040
Speaker 1: hold on, before we before we move on from Lord

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01:06:04,080 --> 01:06:06,000
Speaker 1: of the Rings? Did have have you read? Have you

1112
01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:09,520
Speaker 1: read the Sillmarillion? Have you readde I've tried. I got

1113
01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:11,920
Speaker 1: a little ways into the Summerlian. But but and this

1114
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:14,080
Speaker 1: is something that we wanted to capture with Jane in

1115
01:06:14,080 --> 01:06:17,080
Speaker 1: the book that she was writing, where there there is

1116
01:06:17,160 --> 01:06:21,240
Speaker 1: such the thing about the Summerlian is it's it's of

1117
01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:23,520
Speaker 1: course so beautifully written, all the books are, but they're

1118
01:06:23,600 --> 01:06:28,040
Speaker 1: so detailed, that it really you really have to be

1119
01:06:28,120 --> 01:06:31,000
Speaker 1: in a certain mindset to like absorb that information and

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01:06:31,040 --> 01:06:35,120
Speaker 1: not have it totally um bog you down. So I

1121
01:06:35,160 --> 01:06:37,560
Speaker 1: did want that to be part of like Jane's book,

1122
01:06:37,640 --> 01:06:42,440
Speaker 1: is that the history is so detailed that anybody who

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01:06:42,520 --> 01:06:44,960
Speaker 1: is kind enough to ask her about it will immediately

1124
01:06:45,280 --> 01:06:47,640
Speaker 1: regret it and get lost and like not be able

1125
01:06:47,680 --> 01:06:52,080
Speaker 1: to follow anything she's saying because it's so specific and

1126
01:06:52,080 --> 01:06:56,320
Speaker 1: and there's too much going on. Yeah, there's like a

1127
01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:58,760
Speaker 1: running gag throughout the movie where they keep returning to

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01:06:58,840 --> 01:07:02,080
Speaker 1: just Marry in process explaining her book to whoever her

1129
01:07:02,160 --> 01:07:05,880
Speaker 1: captive audiences, and it does it's funny every single time.

1130
01:07:06,480 --> 01:07:09,840
Speaker 1: So I guess what what what I'm saying and what

1131
01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:12,160
Speaker 1: I know Bowen is saying. I know it's certainly what

1132
01:07:12,280 --> 01:07:15,240
Speaker 1: Mary is saying is that you gotta watch Happiest Season.

1133
01:07:15,320 --> 01:07:17,680
Speaker 1: It will make you feel so good and also not

1134
01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:21,320
Speaker 1: for nothing. But I felt really um excited about telling

1135
01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:23,960
Speaker 1: my parents about it, Like I was, like, you gotta

1136
01:07:23,960 --> 01:07:26,720
Speaker 1: watch Happiest Season. And I really think that they'll enjoy it.

1137
01:07:26,720 --> 01:07:30,600
Speaker 1: It's really good family fun and also it feels like

1138
01:07:30,720 --> 01:07:32,800
Speaker 1: it's for us to you know what I mean, Like it.

1139
01:07:32,800 --> 01:07:36,160
Speaker 1: It's really it delivers in many different ways and also

1140
01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:38,920
Speaker 1: ultimately primarily number one is that it will get you

1141
01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:40,560
Speaker 1: in the mood and it will make you laugh and

1142
01:07:40,600 --> 01:07:45,520
Speaker 1: feel good. And if you're someone who wants to you know, Munch,

1143
01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:53,440
Speaker 1: Kristen Stewart's box, it's really for you. It's so thank you,

1144
01:07:53,680 --> 01:07:59,360
Speaker 1: Oh my god. And I feel as though, bo it

1145
01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:02,160
Speaker 1: might be time. I think it's time, it's time for

1146
01:08:02,240 --> 01:08:06,160
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. So Mary is a veteran

1147
01:08:06,200 --> 01:08:07,960
Speaker 1: if I don't think so honey, not only as a

1148
01:08:08,040 --> 01:08:11,000
Speaker 1: subject of and I don't think so honey. I've been

1149
01:08:11,040 --> 01:08:13,400
Speaker 1: on both sides. You've been on both sides. You've both

1150
01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:17,879
Speaker 1: been ripped apart by the form, ripped the form apart.

1151
01:08:18,040 --> 01:08:21,040
Speaker 1: At our iconic l a show which Bowen was not

1152
01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:23,360
Speaker 1: able to attend, but I co hosted with Jokin Booster

1153
01:08:23,880 --> 01:08:29,680
Speaker 1: during a rainy fucking night in downtown, it was it was.

1154
01:08:30,320 --> 01:08:32,640
Speaker 1: It was so much. Remember that I knew that that

1155
01:08:32,760 --> 01:08:34,760
Speaker 1: night was rainy. I think you guys were telling you,

1156
01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:36,720
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it was it was. It was wasn't

1157
01:08:36,760 --> 01:08:39,599
Speaker 1: even just rainy. It was like like hysterical, which is

1158
01:08:39,720 --> 01:08:43,839
Speaker 1: the rarest of things. We never get that that never happens.

1159
01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:46,320
Speaker 1: It was a magical night only when I fly the

1160
01:08:46,360 --> 01:08:53,240
Speaker 1: funk out to do a show downtown. Yeah, right, but

1161
01:08:53,560 --> 01:08:55,400
Speaker 1: it was. But we did have a good crowd and

1162
01:08:55,400 --> 01:08:57,400
Speaker 1: it was such a fun show, and Mary was amazing

1163
01:08:57,479 --> 01:08:59,719
Speaker 1: and I got to meet all the wild horses, ladies.

1164
01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:03,320
Speaker 1: We were we were all there. We were running free. Yes,

1165
01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:06,960
Speaker 1: ashes were sort of you know, mating in the wilderness

1166
01:09:07,080 --> 01:09:11,920
Speaker 1: as it were. Thank God too. Um but so she's

1167
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:14,679
Speaker 1: really attacked it from all angles and um, she will

1168
01:09:14,680 --> 01:09:17,439
Speaker 1: do the same, but not before me and Bowen Yang do.

1169
01:09:17,640 --> 01:09:19,479
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey, which is a six second

1170
01:09:19,560 --> 01:09:21,879
Speaker 1: rant on something in pop culture that we hate currently

1171
01:09:22,960 --> 01:09:26,200
Speaker 1: I love it or always? Um, do you have do

1172
01:09:26,200 --> 01:09:28,840
Speaker 1: you have one? I do? I do have a thing. Okay,

1173
01:09:28,880 --> 01:09:30,519
Speaker 1: this is Matt Rodgers. I don't think so, honey. His

1174
01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:33,600
Speaker 1: time starts now. I don't think so, honey. Being preoccupied

1175
01:09:33,680 --> 01:09:36,240
Speaker 1: with the Saved by the Bell Selena Gomez joke about

1176
01:09:36,240 --> 01:09:39,040
Speaker 1: the kidney transplant. Okay, let's get the funk over it,

1177
01:09:39,160 --> 01:09:42,920
Speaker 1: because it's not actually a joke at Selena Gomez expense, Honey,

1178
01:09:42,920 --> 01:09:47,519
Speaker 1: it's a joke about gossip about celebrities. Okay, Man and yes,

1179
01:09:47,600 --> 01:09:50,120
Speaker 1: they apologize, so can we fucking move on. It's a

1180
01:09:50,320 --> 01:09:56,240
Speaker 1: hilarious show. It's Tracy Wigfield that's created the room is incredible.

1181
01:09:56,360 --> 01:09:59,240
Speaker 1: A friend of the pod, Dwayne Perkins is a consulting

1182
01:09:59,280 --> 01:10:01,400
Speaker 1: producer and he's so on the show and it's very

1183
01:10:01,400 --> 01:10:04,800
Speaker 1: funny on it. Literally the show is hilarious. The younger

1184
01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:08,120
Speaker 1: kids are amazing, The older cast is incredible. Mario Lopez

1185
01:10:08,160 --> 01:10:10,320
Speaker 1: is hotter now at forty seven than he was at twenty.

1186
01:10:10,560 --> 01:10:13,920
Speaker 1: Elizabeth Berkley's great, Mark, Paul Goslar and Tiffany Theesson are

1187
01:10:13,960 --> 01:10:16,960
Speaker 1: just as hot, just as funny. They make They make

1188
01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:19,280
Speaker 1: Governor of California Zack Morris the villain of the show,

1189
01:10:19,320 --> 01:10:21,960
Speaker 1: which is a genius move because he's like a conservative

1190
01:10:22,160 --> 01:10:27,439
Speaker 1: like governor. It's hilarious. Josie Toda is a superstar playing

1191
01:10:27,560 --> 01:10:30,080
Speaker 1: on a Jason. If you're gonna let some fucking tweet

1192
01:10:30,120 --> 01:10:32,080
Speaker 1: that you saw about Selina Gomez just heard you from

1193
01:10:32,120 --> 01:10:36,880
Speaker 1: watching it. I don't think so, honey, Thank you so

1194
01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:43,439
Speaker 1: a fantastic show. I never Mary, you will be you

1195
01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:47,479
Speaker 1: will be gagged. It is so funny, it's it's like

1196
01:10:48,240 --> 01:10:54,120
Speaker 1: it's really it gives you thirty rock type humor, like

1197
01:10:54,120 --> 01:10:56,719
Speaker 1: like there are jokes in it that like every character

1198
01:10:56,760 --> 01:10:59,519
Speaker 1: has Also I will say, um, oh god, I forget

1199
01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:01,880
Speaker 1: his last name. His first name is. Last name is who?

1200
01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:05,800
Speaker 1: But he plays mac Michael Mitchell Mitchell who This kid

1201
01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:09,720
Speaker 1: is killing it really like and also the leads are

1202
01:11:09,760 --> 01:11:13,439
Speaker 1: really fun. Um so Funcary Velasquez, she's so good Scary

1203
01:11:13,520 --> 01:11:16,760
Speaker 1: Vlaska estimation. She plays Daisy Um. The girl who plays

1204
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:20,000
Speaker 1: Aisha is amazing. The girl uh, the guy who plays

1205
01:11:20,120 --> 01:11:23,759
Speaker 1: Um uh like a lot of it. It's like Jamie Spano.

1206
01:11:23,880 --> 01:11:27,920
Speaker 1: It's like Jesse Spano's like a lot of their kids

1207
01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:29,960
Speaker 1: that kind of step into who they were. Like he's

1208
01:11:29,960 --> 01:11:32,759
Speaker 1: like the A C. Slater of the show. Like truly,

1209
01:11:33,280 --> 01:11:36,120
Speaker 1: it's so funny. Every character is really fun and Josie

1210
01:11:36,160 --> 01:11:39,880
Speaker 1: tode Is steals the whole thing and she's slag on

1211
01:11:39,960 --> 01:11:42,680
Speaker 1: a level that is like star is born moment and

1212
01:11:42,760 --> 01:11:45,479
Speaker 1: we need to get her on the show. Yeah, it's

1213
01:11:45,479 --> 01:11:48,240
Speaker 1: so impressive that you gotta watch. Yeah, you gotta, you

1214
01:11:48,280 --> 01:11:51,200
Speaker 1: gotta it's so impressive. How there's it's it's juggling this

1215
01:11:51,400 --> 01:11:56,439
Speaker 1: like really like current self aware story um for premise,

1216
01:11:56,600 --> 01:11:58,960
Speaker 1: Like oh, like like an underfunded school has to merge

1217
01:11:59,000 --> 01:12:03,719
Speaker 1: with um like very overprivileged school and that's like Bellevue, Yeah,

1218
01:12:03,760 --> 01:12:06,800
Speaker 1: which is which is what bay Side was, Always Side

1219
01:12:06,800 --> 01:12:09,240
Speaker 1: always was. But then but then you also have to

1220
01:12:09,280 --> 01:12:12,639
Speaker 1: like balance this story, like the B c D stories

1221
01:12:12,720 --> 01:12:15,479
Speaker 1: with the parents or with the like the former students.

1222
01:12:15,479 --> 01:12:18,040
Speaker 1: Like it just it juggles so many different balls that

1223
01:12:18,120 --> 01:12:19,840
Speaker 1: it's s been so many different plates at the same time.

1224
01:12:20,560 --> 01:12:23,800
Speaker 1: It's so impressive how it comes together. Just the conceit

1225
01:12:23,840 --> 01:12:26,000
Speaker 1: of it is so smart. Like I just loved how

1226
01:12:26,040 --> 01:12:28,639
Speaker 1: immediately they were Like Zach Morris is the villain who's

1227
01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:31,679
Speaker 1: put them all in this situation. It's just it's so

1228
01:12:31,680 --> 01:12:33,720
Speaker 1: good and he doesn't shy away from it at all.

1229
01:12:33,960 --> 01:12:37,880
Speaker 1: He's like, no, they're there. They all have such a

1230
01:12:38,080 --> 01:12:40,120
Speaker 1: they still have such a handle on their characters, and

1231
01:12:40,160 --> 01:12:42,160
Speaker 1: like they make a lot of jokes about like the

1232
01:12:42,200 --> 01:12:45,679
Speaker 1: caffeine pill addiction and like the sort of after school

1233
01:12:45,720 --> 01:12:48,640
Speaker 1: specialness of the original Staved by the Bell, Like it

1234
01:12:48,760 --> 01:12:51,400
Speaker 1: really is sort of like a pleasant ville ish vibe

1235
01:12:51,400 --> 01:12:54,360
Speaker 1: where it's like this world where these kids that go

1236
01:12:54,439 --> 01:12:57,679
Speaker 1: to Bay Side live is completely different from the world

1237
01:12:57,800 --> 01:13:01,360
Speaker 1: of like the inner like the underprivileged kids that come

1238
01:13:01,400 --> 01:13:04,800
Speaker 1: into the school and it's just really fun. And it's

1239
01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:08,000
Speaker 1: also like the central best friendship is between Mac Morris

1240
01:13:08,120 --> 01:13:11,839
Speaker 1: just like this white blonde Zack Morris type and um Daisy,

1241
01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:14,559
Speaker 1: who is the like Latino girl who's like class president.

1242
01:13:14,640 --> 01:13:16,599
Speaker 1: She comes in and that's like to to, I just

1243
01:13:16,680 --> 01:13:19,599
Speaker 1: really love that you see all sorts of a typical

1244
01:13:19,720 --> 01:13:22,479
Speaker 1: relationships to the show. You know, the quarterback is a

1245
01:13:22,560 --> 01:13:25,960
Speaker 1: girl of the football team. Like it's just goofy and fun.

1246
01:13:25,960 --> 01:13:29,240
Speaker 1: And imagine the world that's like where the rules are

1247
01:13:29,280 --> 01:13:32,120
Speaker 1: really heightened and played by the plays by those rules

1248
01:13:32,160 --> 01:13:36,200
Speaker 1: really well, and the jokes are great and and I

1249
01:13:36,280 --> 01:13:38,479
Speaker 1: just I I never thought I would enjoy it as

1250
01:13:38,560 --> 01:13:40,559
Speaker 1: much as I did, But I really recommend it and

1251
01:13:40,640 --> 01:13:43,439
Speaker 1: want people to sort of move past this silly, little

1252
01:13:43,479 --> 01:13:46,679
Speaker 1: throwaway joke they made about Selena Gomez in the sixth episode,

1253
01:13:46,720 --> 01:13:48,960
Speaker 1: because it's like it's a shame because you look it

1254
01:13:49,040 --> 01:13:52,240
Speaker 1: up and it's every news story and it makes me mad.

1255
01:13:52,360 --> 01:13:55,280
Speaker 1: It's just like it's a funny show. The Peacock or

1256
01:13:55,320 --> 01:13:58,240
Speaker 1: are your Universal NBC also just like don't like apologize,

1257
01:13:58,240 --> 01:14:00,320
Speaker 1: like they spoke with Selena's people, they don't need to

1258
01:14:00,400 --> 01:14:03,040
Speaker 1: her to one of her charities it's all good, like

1259
01:14:03,200 --> 01:14:06,360
Speaker 1: I mean, we're we're we're already past it just on

1260
01:14:06,400 --> 01:14:09,080
Speaker 1: a moral level. Yeah, I just want people to watch

1261
01:14:09,080 --> 01:14:10,920
Speaker 1: it because it's it's great and there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: great young talent in it, and um, all right, so

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01:14:13,560 --> 01:14:16,280
Speaker 1: Bo and Yang, are you ready to sort of unleashure.

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01:14:16,320 --> 01:14:18,960
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. This is I don't think so, honey,

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01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:21,160
Speaker 1: And as time starts now, I don't think so, honey.

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01:14:21,240 --> 01:14:24,080
Speaker 1: The finale of Great British Bake Off, it was so

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01:14:24,160 --> 01:14:27,400
Speaker 1: irresponsible of you to have to carry Laura through to

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01:14:27,439 --> 01:14:31,040
Speaker 1: the final. It was so irresponsible because she was having

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01:14:31,240 --> 01:14:35,360
Speaker 1: emotional breakdowns every single round, because she was doubting herself

1270
01:14:35,360 --> 01:14:37,800
Speaker 1: the entire time. She You should have let her go

1271
01:14:38,200 --> 01:14:42,320
Speaker 1: weeks and weeks ago. She we will have fond memories

1272
01:14:42,360 --> 01:14:44,559
Speaker 1: of Laura as a contestant, but to put her through

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01:14:44,600 --> 01:14:47,040
Speaker 1: the final ed to just have her sort of there

1274
01:14:47,040 --> 01:14:49,559
Speaker 1: the entire time when she's just doubting herself at every time,

1275
01:14:49,600 --> 01:14:52,719
Speaker 1: and responsible you could have pushed her meantrough the final.

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01:14:52,760 --> 01:14:54,680
Speaker 1: You could have pushed her through the final. I mean,

1277
01:14:55,640 --> 01:14:59,760
Speaker 1: either there's something flawed in the elimination um structure of

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01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:02,880
Speaker 1: b B B of g B B O where people

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01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:07,200
Speaker 1: who slip up one time get sucked over. Um. It

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01:15:07,360 --> 01:15:09,880
Speaker 1: ends up making for like lackluster finalees where there is

1281
01:15:09,920 --> 01:15:13,120
Speaker 1: such an emotional, high stake season of bake Off with

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01:15:13,360 --> 01:15:15,960
Speaker 1: the COVID of it all. For some reason, it felt

1283
01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:19,360
Speaker 1: so underwhelming. Congratulations to Peter, the youngest winner in history,

1284
01:15:19,400 --> 01:15:22,800
Speaker 1: but overall just an irresponsible finale. And that's one minute Wow,

1285
01:15:23,680 --> 01:15:26,479
Speaker 1: great great British person. It's hard to say. First of all,

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01:15:26,520 --> 01:15:28,280
Speaker 1: we have to say, we have to say it's a

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01:15:29,080 --> 01:15:31,080
Speaker 1: it's a real it's really close to number I'm sorry

1288
01:15:31,120 --> 01:15:37,040
Speaker 1: to say. Five Great British is hard to say, and

1289
01:15:37,080 --> 01:15:39,680
Speaker 1: we have to say that. We have to say it

1290
01:15:39,960 --> 01:15:42,320
Speaker 1: because no one else will. What were your thoughts on

1291
01:15:42,400 --> 01:15:46,280
Speaker 1: the finale? Mary, I I really understand where you're coming

1292
01:15:46,280 --> 01:15:49,240
Speaker 1: from home. I really do, because I do think that

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01:15:49,280 --> 01:15:53,439
Speaker 1: there were it was indicated very early on that like, um,

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01:15:53,479 --> 01:15:57,240
Speaker 1: there's so much talent there of course, but you know,

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01:15:57,360 --> 01:16:01,240
Speaker 1: as far as like being able to like get through

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01:16:01,280 --> 01:16:05,560
Speaker 1: that high pressure situation and and have the kind of

1297
01:16:05,680 --> 01:16:09,400
Speaker 1: the confidence of like a Pile or a David like that,

1298
01:16:09,400 --> 01:16:12,760
Speaker 1: that is really challenging. And I have to say I

1299
01:16:12,800 --> 01:16:15,679
Speaker 1: agree with your opinion. And what's awful is that everyone

1300
01:16:15,760 --> 01:16:19,479
Speaker 1: came after this this girl Laura because this fan favorite

1301
01:16:19,479 --> 01:16:22,479
Speaker 1: Herman had been eliminated, and so everyone was attacking this

1302
01:16:22,520 --> 01:16:25,400
Speaker 1: girl Laura after the semi final episode and then like

1303
01:16:25,439 --> 01:16:27,920
Speaker 1: Paul Hollywood, people from the show. I would go on

1304
01:16:27,920 --> 01:16:31,200
Speaker 1: in social media bea like, guys, cut it in. That's awful.

1305
01:16:32,080 --> 01:16:35,639
Speaker 1: I just think, like it's it's somehow like most seasons

1306
01:16:35,680 --> 01:16:37,800
Speaker 1: of bake Off are like no, like the reason why

1307
01:16:37,880 --> 01:16:40,960
Speaker 1: you watch the shows because there's no drama, right exactly,

1308
01:16:41,760 --> 01:16:44,559
Speaker 1: it's so pleasant. It's so pleasant, and yet there's all

1309
01:16:44,600 --> 01:16:47,840
Speaker 1: this like there are all these heightened emotions around it,

1310
01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:51,000
Speaker 1: um that I guess have have to do with COVID,

1311
01:16:51,040 --> 01:16:53,639
Speaker 1: but like with the lord of it all. Like I

1312
01:16:53,640 --> 01:16:56,559
Speaker 1: like I thought she she she had great all season,

1313
01:16:56,680 --> 01:17:00,840
Speaker 1: but you know it first it seemed such a choice

1314
01:17:00,840 --> 01:17:03,120
Speaker 1: to carry her through the final instead of someone like her, mean,

1315
01:17:03,160 --> 01:17:08,360
Speaker 1: who was so consistent and tragically slipped up on a season,

1316
01:17:08,479 --> 01:17:10,240
Speaker 1: on on a week that she should have excelled at,

1317
01:17:10,240 --> 01:17:14,880
Speaker 1: which was partissory week. She's this French baker and um,

1318
01:17:15,160 --> 01:17:18,200
Speaker 1: a lot of pressure pressure, but she and she like

1319
01:17:18,320 --> 01:17:22,080
Speaker 1: ditched so Matt, she like for the the show stopp

1320
01:17:22,080 --> 01:17:26,120
Speaker 1: her challenge, like the big climactic challenge of the week. Um,

1321
01:17:26,200 --> 01:17:28,599
Speaker 1: she decided to scrap her original plan and do something

1322
01:17:28,640 --> 01:17:33,120
Speaker 1: completely never different. Experimental did not end up going for her,

1323
01:17:33,280 --> 01:17:36,160
Speaker 1: and this was a specialty of hers, and she decided

1324
01:17:36,200 --> 01:17:39,200
Speaker 1: to try to. Yes, she was, she was friends, she

1325
01:17:39,360 --> 01:17:42,440
Speaker 1: tried to. She and like the judges were like Hubris

1326
01:17:42,880 --> 01:17:48,920
Speaker 1: Hubris once again, Icarus again flying flying too close to

1327
01:17:48,960 --> 01:17:54,639
Speaker 1: Hubris once again once again, and gentlemen Hubris and once

1328
01:17:54,680 --> 01:18:02,280
Speaker 1: again and again and Cubris hub Actually kind of think

1329
01:18:02,320 --> 01:18:06,640
Speaker 1: that's an iconic. I think that's name Humus is a

1330
01:18:06,680 --> 01:18:14,800
Speaker 1: great stage name. Who who wants it? I'm calling? Yeah,

1331
01:18:14,840 --> 01:18:18,559
Speaker 1: I would say to all reality show contestants, um, if

1332
01:18:18,560 --> 01:18:21,559
Speaker 1: it ain't broke, don't fix it, ad just stay of

1333
01:18:21,560 --> 01:18:24,160
Speaker 1: the course, y'all. I always also feel like with any

1334
01:18:24,200 --> 01:18:28,160
Speaker 1: reality show, it's like whenever there's like the fan favorite

1335
01:18:28,280 --> 01:18:30,639
Speaker 1: or like the underdog that gets tossed in with people

1336
01:18:30,640 --> 01:18:33,320
Speaker 1: that actually have a run at the win, I think

1337
01:18:33,320 --> 01:18:37,120
Speaker 1: it makes finale is less fun to be honest with you, like,

1338
01:18:38,160 --> 01:18:41,080
Speaker 1: I just think like like it. It feels like every

1339
01:18:41,080 --> 01:18:45,479
Speaker 1: reality show that's competitive lately, there's always an upset, like

1340
01:18:45,560 --> 01:18:47,760
Speaker 1: there's always just like someone that makes it into the

1341
01:18:47,760 --> 01:18:50,040
Speaker 1: finale because it's gonna be nice to see them there,

1342
01:18:50,080 --> 01:18:51,439
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like for me, that was

1343
01:18:51,479 --> 01:18:53,960
Speaker 1: Crystal Method on Drag Race. For me that was Nelly

1344
01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:56,080
Speaker 1: on Dancing with the Stars. It sounds like it was

1345
01:18:56,120 --> 01:18:59,400
Speaker 1: this individual on Great British Breakoff, where it's just like, yes,

1346
01:18:59,800 --> 01:19:02,000
Speaker 1: we understand they were an important part of the season,

1347
01:19:02,040 --> 01:19:04,760
Speaker 1: that was fun, but this is the finale, you know

1348
01:19:04,800 --> 01:19:08,600
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like, let's let the competitors compete. And

1349
01:19:08,680 --> 01:19:11,200
Speaker 1: I understand that it is subjective and I'll probably get

1350
01:19:11,240 --> 01:19:15,320
Speaker 1: dragged still by the Crystal Method fans, but uh, but

1351
01:19:15,400 --> 01:19:17,000
Speaker 1: that's just the way I feel. I feel like I

1352
01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:20,200
Speaker 1: feel like like at the end of you know, for example,

1353
01:19:20,240 --> 01:19:22,040
Speaker 1: an American Idol, that's why you don't want to see

1354
01:19:22,080 --> 01:19:24,479
Speaker 1: Kelly versus Justin. You want to see Kelly versus Tamira.

1355
01:19:24,680 --> 01:19:27,799
Speaker 1: This is, of course, a seventeen eighteen year old season

1356
01:19:27,840 --> 01:19:32,960
Speaker 1: of a television show I'm bringing up, but I'm stating

1357
01:19:34,800 --> 01:19:47,439
Speaker 1: still litigating only on peca. Yeah, and no, if you

1358
01:19:47,479 --> 01:19:49,920
Speaker 1: want a title that's harder pronounced, harder to pronounce than

1359
01:19:49,920 --> 01:19:54,880
Speaker 1: Great British Bake Off, it's still litigating. Honest with you,

1360
01:19:55,040 --> 01:19:59,040
Speaker 1: it's easier to say than great British bakeoff. Okay, still litigating.

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01:19:59,200 --> 01:20:03,280
Speaker 1: I think it's time, really, it is time. It's time

1362
01:20:03,320 --> 01:20:11,160
Speaker 1: for a Mary Holland. My god, this is huge, I

1363
01:20:11,160 --> 01:20:14,240
Speaker 1: guess as ready as I'm ever going to be. All Right, Okay,

1364
01:20:14,680 --> 01:20:16,439
Speaker 1: where's the thing? I have the phone in my hymn?

1365
01:20:16,760 --> 01:20:21,439
Speaker 1: Okay and the one way? How how are you feeling?

1366
01:20:21,439 --> 01:20:22,759
Speaker 1: By the way you said you were, you were feeling

1367
01:20:22,800 --> 01:20:25,080
Speaker 1: kind of sick before. I feel a little better now.

1368
01:20:25,080 --> 01:20:29,160
Speaker 1: I've been really blitzing my body with like vitamins and

1369
01:20:29,479 --> 01:20:33,599
Speaker 1: totally totally her time starts now. I don't think Hey,

1370
01:20:33,760 --> 01:20:37,400
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey, Mary not being able to

1371
01:20:37,439 --> 01:20:42,679
Speaker 1: access her rage because because guess what, Mary, guess what?

1372
01:20:43,040 --> 01:20:46,360
Speaker 1: You got asked to be a guest on this amazing podcast,

1373
01:20:46,400 --> 01:20:48,600
Speaker 1: and you know that part of the poet is you

1374
01:20:48,640 --> 01:20:51,600
Speaker 1: have to rant about something that you don't like, that

1375
01:20:51,680 --> 01:20:54,280
Speaker 1: you hate, and how come you can't access that? What

1376
01:20:54,439 --> 01:20:57,519
Speaker 1: is what's in the way for you where you can't

1377
01:20:57,560 --> 01:20:59,479
Speaker 1: You're trying to think of something and you can't think

1378
01:20:59,520 --> 01:21:01,240
Speaker 1: of anything. Last time you did it, you know what

1379
01:21:01,280 --> 01:21:03,280
Speaker 1: you did? You talked about how you don't like it

1380
01:21:03,439 --> 01:21:06,720
Speaker 1: when suddenly somebody gets by a bus or a car

1381
01:21:06,760 --> 01:21:09,160
Speaker 1: in a movie, how you don't like that? And that's

1382
01:21:09,160 --> 01:21:12,400
Speaker 1: when you ranch it about and then that how could you?

1383
01:21:12,840 --> 01:21:16,040
Speaker 1: Why can't you? Why can't you get there? You are

1384
01:21:16,080 --> 01:21:18,160
Speaker 1: able to get there with so many other emotions, but

1385
01:21:18,200 --> 01:21:22,000
Speaker 1: you're not able to get anger or with you know,

1386
01:21:22,400 --> 01:21:25,759
Speaker 1: you know, and look and it's not okay. You gotta

1387
01:21:25,800 --> 01:21:28,519
Speaker 1: get better. You gotta do better. You gotta you know

1388
01:21:28,600 --> 01:21:34,360
Speaker 1: what stands and and and you remember it's you're okay, wow, okay.

1389
01:21:34,400 --> 01:21:36,320
Speaker 1: So I just want to say something that's one minute

1390
01:21:36,680 --> 01:21:38,519
Speaker 1: not even in your I don't think so, honey, that

1391
01:21:38,560 --> 01:21:40,679
Speaker 1: was directed at your own self. Could you get that mad?

1392
01:21:40,760 --> 01:21:44,680
Speaker 1: You ended it with and you're okay, you're not. You

1393
01:21:44,680 --> 01:21:48,640
Speaker 1: can't access rage. It's a problem. I really yeah, I'm

1394
01:21:49,240 --> 01:21:55,280
Speaker 1: are you on, I'm once again, I'm centrist, once again,

1395
01:21:56,360 --> 01:22:01,400
Speaker 1: once again, I'm centrist. Centrist. Wait are you when? When?

1396
01:22:01,439 --> 01:22:03,479
Speaker 1: When it's the angriest you've ever been your whole life?

1397
01:22:03,560 --> 01:22:06,400
Speaker 1: I can tell you exactly it was when? And I

1398
01:22:06,439 --> 01:22:10,000
Speaker 1: think that this is maybe the cause of it subsequently

1399
01:22:10,040 --> 01:22:14,280
Speaker 1: being buried and made for um for eternity. Is I

1400
01:22:14,320 --> 01:22:17,760
Speaker 1: was like six years old, and um, my parents had

1401
01:22:18,520 --> 01:22:20,320
Speaker 1: some friends over and their kids over to watch the

1402
01:22:20,360 --> 01:22:30,200
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. I'm wrapped, wrapped, wrapped, um. And they were

1403
01:22:30,360 --> 01:22:34,640
Speaker 1: the adults were like watching the Super Bowl in uh In,

1404
01:22:34,760 --> 01:22:37,080
Speaker 1: like this little TV room Marrio with the door clothes,

1405
01:22:37,120 --> 01:22:39,600
Speaker 1: and the kids were all out, We're all playing with

1406
01:22:39,640 --> 01:22:43,240
Speaker 1: each other. And my brother did something that made me

1407
01:22:43,320 --> 01:22:48,400
Speaker 1: mad for some reason. And I, um, you know, as

1408
01:22:48,400 --> 01:22:51,320
Speaker 1: a child and an adult, I'm very emotional, very like

1409
01:22:51,400 --> 01:22:55,639
Speaker 1: sensitive and tuned in, and so I was really upset.

1410
01:22:56,160 --> 01:22:58,519
Speaker 1: And the other kids were there, were all older than me,

1411
01:22:58,640 --> 01:23:00,280
Speaker 1: and I think to them it was just like, oh

1412
01:23:00,320 --> 01:23:04,080
Speaker 1: my god, the baby is crying again, and that sort

1413
01:23:04,120 --> 01:23:11,320
Speaker 1: of um dismissiveness. It it um hit me. It deep, deep,

1414
01:23:11,360 --> 01:23:13,760
Speaker 1: deep in my core. And I remember I was I

1415
01:23:13,800 --> 01:23:18,240
Speaker 1: was like freaking out and my sister, my sister said

1416
01:23:18,240 --> 01:23:21,400
Speaker 1: to my brother. I'm the youngest of three. Uh So

1417
01:23:21,439 --> 01:23:24,479
Speaker 1: my sister said to my brother, go get mom and dad.

1418
01:23:24,560 --> 01:23:27,880
Speaker 1: She's you know, she's freaking out. She's like losing it.

1419
01:23:28,479 --> 01:23:31,800
Speaker 1: And uh my brother went in to like get get

1420
01:23:31,800 --> 01:23:35,400
Speaker 1: my parents attention, and he was, you know, like a boy.

1421
01:23:35,479 --> 01:23:38,120
Speaker 1: I feel like he was ten at the time, and

1422
01:23:38,160 --> 01:23:42,439
Speaker 1: he said to my parents. He said, um, uh, mom, Dad,

1423
01:23:42,600 --> 01:23:46,719
Speaker 1: it's that time of the month again. And I didn't know.

1424
01:23:46,760 --> 01:23:55,240
Speaker 1: I didn't know what that meant. He was just making it, Yeah, exactly,

1425
01:23:56,479 --> 01:23:58,320
Speaker 1: it really did not. He clearly did not know what

1426
01:23:58,320 --> 01:24:01,120
Speaker 1: it meant. He heard it off television. Any thought, this

1427
01:24:01,200 --> 01:24:04,519
Speaker 1: is when women get crazy once a month. Well, I thought,

1428
01:24:04,640 --> 01:24:06,600
Speaker 1: I took that to me. I took that to me,

1429
01:24:06,640 --> 01:24:10,640
Speaker 1: and here we go, Mary's having her you know, monthly

1430
01:24:10,720 --> 01:24:13,320
Speaker 1: freak out and like like that was the thing the

1431
01:24:13,360 --> 01:24:17,559
Speaker 1: family talked about and I got so mad that I

1432
01:24:17,640 --> 01:24:22,479
Speaker 1: project ale vomited. Oh my god. Well that's probably why

1433
01:24:22,520 --> 01:24:24,439
Speaker 1: you're afraid to get angry. You don't want to ruin

1434
01:24:24,520 --> 01:24:28,360
Speaker 1: all your things. That's a power. Find a silk sin first.

1435
01:24:28,520 --> 01:24:32,920
Speaker 1: I don't want to ruin You've decorated your home with silks.

1436
01:24:32,920 --> 01:24:35,000
Speaker 1: You don't want to be projectile vomiting on them. I

1437
01:24:35,000 --> 01:24:38,720
Speaker 1: think it's actually, if you had to be incapable of

1438
01:24:38,760 --> 01:24:41,200
Speaker 1: expressing an emotion, anger is probably a good one to

1439
01:24:41,240 --> 01:24:44,759
Speaker 1: be incapable of accessing and expressing. It feels like there's

1440
01:24:45,320 --> 01:24:48,439
Speaker 1: an aspect of myself that I'm not able to know

1441
01:24:49,280 --> 01:24:52,800
Speaker 1: and not able to like, um, have the courage of

1442
01:24:52,840 --> 01:24:56,439
Speaker 1: my convictions, I think because of it because I don't, Uh,

1443
01:24:56,479 --> 01:24:59,720
Speaker 1: It's not like I really have to dig to like

1444
01:24:59,800 --> 01:25:01,519
Speaker 1: get to the place where I want to protect a

1445
01:25:01,640 --> 01:25:03,720
Speaker 1: vomit again, you know what I mean. And I just

1446
01:25:03,760 --> 01:25:08,880
Speaker 1: want to get back. I just want to get bad,

1447
01:25:10,040 --> 01:25:12,400
Speaker 1: I know. But you you do like you lose control.

1448
01:25:12,479 --> 01:25:15,080
Speaker 1: Like I think part of anger for anybody is losing control,

1449
01:25:15,160 --> 01:25:18,200
Speaker 1: and that is that is like a little scary. Yeah,

1450
01:25:18,240 --> 01:25:22,759
Speaker 1: I feel like also it's tough when you are someone

1451
01:25:22,880 --> 01:25:26,920
Speaker 1: who um has had to hide emotions because it reveals you.

1452
01:25:27,479 --> 01:25:29,760
Speaker 1: Um Like, when I was younger and still to this day,

1453
01:25:29,800 --> 01:25:32,200
Speaker 1: when I get angry and I feel like I've expressed anger,

1454
01:25:32,439 --> 01:25:34,800
Speaker 1: something i'll do a lot to a lot of people

1455
01:25:34,960 --> 01:25:36,960
Speaker 1: is be like, was I justified in doing that? Was

1456
01:25:37,000 --> 01:25:39,080
Speaker 1: that okay? Like? Was I too much? Was this? Because

1457
01:25:39,160 --> 01:25:42,479
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm used to hiding myself in an

1458
01:25:42,479 --> 01:25:46,720
Speaker 1: emotional state because I think it reveals or it revealed

1459
01:25:46,800 --> 01:25:49,360
Speaker 1: a truth about me, which probably is gayness that I

1460
01:25:49,439 --> 01:25:53,000
Speaker 1: was afraid of as a young person. Nowadays, it's like,

1461
01:25:53,040 --> 01:25:55,040
Speaker 1: I'll try to take space because I think what you're

1462
01:25:55,080 --> 01:25:58,760
Speaker 1: saying is important. It is important to know when to

1463
01:25:58,840 --> 01:26:01,280
Speaker 1: put your foot down and for yourself and stand up

1464
01:26:01,280 --> 01:26:05,519
Speaker 1: for yourself. But I am seldom without the question after

1465
01:26:05,760 --> 01:26:08,360
Speaker 1: of was I justified in the way I behave Oh

1466
01:26:08,400 --> 01:26:11,240
Speaker 1: my God constantly? Yeah, I feel that same way, and

1467
01:26:11,400 --> 01:26:14,479
Speaker 1: I don't know how to. And that's interesting to hear

1468
01:26:14,479 --> 01:26:17,519
Speaker 1: you talk about that, because I I really thought that

1469
01:26:17,520 --> 01:26:21,000
Speaker 1: that was something that most people are able to, like

1470
01:26:21,439 --> 01:26:24,960
Speaker 1: get angry and feel confident in that emotion and how

1471
01:26:25,000 --> 01:26:28,800
Speaker 1: it's expressed, because it truly every emotion. I'm like, was

1472
01:26:28,880 --> 01:26:32,880
Speaker 1: that too much? Like? Well, you were told that it

1473
01:26:33,120 --> 01:26:35,519
Speaker 1: was at a formative age, So I don't think. I

1474
01:26:35,520 --> 01:26:40,200
Speaker 1: don't think it's you obviously have this memory which has

1475
01:26:40,240 --> 01:26:43,840
Speaker 1: imprinted on you, which is you got so upset, and

1476
01:26:43,880 --> 01:26:47,000
Speaker 1: what everyone's response to it was don't take her seriously,

1477
01:26:47,439 --> 01:26:49,720
Speaker 1: which is which is something that could stay with you

1478
01:26:49,760 --> 01:26:51,840
Speaker 1: for a long time. And so it's honestly good that

1479
01:26:51,880 --> 01:26:55,599
Speaker 1: you remember where it came from, because that's that's everything,

1480
01:26:55,720 --> 01:26:59,519
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, yeah, did you know this was therapy?

1481
01:27:01,640 --> 01:27:06,320
Speaker 1: How much do I owe you? Guys? Wow? Okay, Bowen

1482
01:27:06,400 --> 01:27:09,240
Speaker 1: is a centrist. I was going to do it for free. No,

1483
01:27:09,479 --> 01:27:15,439
Speaker 1: I want four hundred. No. One has recently become more

1484
01:27:15,439 --> 01:27:18,679
Speaker 1: comfortable with his own anger. I love that I have,

1485
01:27:19,160 --> 01:27:23,800
Speaker 1: I have, but I would have like but my my

1486
01:27:23,880 --> 01:27:26,120
Speaker 1: relationship with anger is weird because I've always been told

1487
01:27:26,240 --> 01:27:27,840
Speaker 1: within the family at least, that it's like you get

1488
01:27:27,880 --> 01:27:30,160
Speaker 1: that from your dad. You get that, you get that

1489
01:27:30,200 --> 01:27:32,000
Speaker 1: from your dad, and my dad when he gets angry,

1490
01:27:32,080 --> 01:27:36,000
Speaker 1: it's wild And when I get angry, it's even wilder.

1491
01:27:36,479 --> 01:27:39,880
Speaker 1: And I fully lose control and like I will go

1492
01:27:39,960 --> 01:27:43,439
Speaker 1: through I have I think in like my teen years

1493
01:27:43,920 --> 01:27:46,559
Speaker 1: gone through like rage blackouts, not where I would hurt anybody,

1494
01:27:46,600 --> 01:27:51,360
Speaker 1: but where I would like just my eyes leave my

1495
01:27:51,400 --> 01:27:55,760
Speaker 1: body because I was so so, so so so angry. Angrying. Yeah,

1496
01:27:56,040 --> 01:28:01,439
Speaker 1: it's overpowering. It's an overpowering emotion. Yeah, and you lose control.

1497
01:28:02,040 --> 01:28:05,360
Speaker 1: For me, that's what's scary. Do you find that as

1498
01:28:05,400 --> 01:28:08,200
Speaker 1: an actor, um, while maybe anger is not your thing,

1499
01:28:08,280 --> 01:28:12,160
Speaker 1: do you find the other emotions easier to access, because, like,

1500
01:28:12,160 --> 01:28:16,400
Speaker 1: like I, I actually quite there. Yeah. Your character in

1501
01:28:16,439 --> 01:28:21,280
Speaker 1: the movie is a comedic role, but there's actually quite

1502
01:28:21,320 --> 01:28:25,600
Speaker 1: an emotional um turn that happens towards the end of

1503
01:28:25,600 --> 01:28:29,080
Speaker 1: the movie, which honestly caught me by surprise because you

1504
01:28:29,160 --> 01:28:31,479
Speaker 1: do such a good job at blending in and just

1505
01:28:31,520 --> 01:28:36,120
Speaker 1: being comedic relief that it's It's like when something big

1506
01:28:36,160 --> 01:28:38,519
Speaker 1: happens to your character, it's like, of course this character

1507
01:28:38,560 --> 01:28:41,840
Speaker 1: feels this way. Of course this character has access to

1508
01:28:41,880 --> 01:28:44,679
Speaker 1: the entire spectrum of human emotion. And you know, whether

1509
01:28:44,720 --> 01:28:46,559
Speaker 1: it's because she's the youngest in the family and hasn't

1510
01:28:46,560 --> 01:28:49,840
Speaker 1: been taken seriously and maybe that's something you identify with

1511
01:28:50,040 --> 01:28:53,960
Speaker 1: the middle child rather sorry m but being the being

1512
01:28:54,080 --> 01:28:58,920
Speaker 1: the one that that wasn't taken seriously um has repercussions

1513
01:28:58,920 --> 01:29:01,760
Speaker 1: on the character and her emotional moment. Not to give

1514
01:29:01,840 --> 01:29:05,000
Speaker 1: too much away, but um, but do you find as

1515
01:29:05,000 --> 01:29:08,160
Speaker 1: an actor like that it's easy for you to access

1516
01:29:08,960 --> 01:29:12,439
Speaker 1: emotions like is it for me? For me, it's tough.

1517
01:29:12,520 --> 01:29:14,760
Speaker 1: For for me. It's like sometimes I feel like that's

1518
01:29:14,760 --> 01:29:16,719
Speaker 1: what makes me someone that's very good at playing close

1519
01:29:16,760 --> 01:29:19,519
Speaker 1: to myself. But then when it comes to playing other emotions,

1520
01:29:19,520 --> 01:29:23,000
Speaker 1: I find that to be a lot harder than it looks. Yeah,

1521
01:29:23,240 --> 01:29:25,680
Speaker 1: I I am able to dip into it, but I

1522
01:29:25,720 --> 01:29:30,559
Speaker 1: think I'm generally a very very sensitive person. Um, it

1523
01:29:30,560 --> 01:29:33,480
Speaker 1: doesn't take me, it doesn't take much for me to

1524
01:29:33,479 --> 01:29:38,000
Speaker 1: to um get there, get there. But I also think

1525
01:29:38,040 --> 01:29:42,280
Speaker 1: that I have I really feel a a level of

1526
01:29:42,320 --> 01:29:45,760
Speaker 1: safety when I'm playing a role to like to go

1527
01:29:45,840 --> 01:29:51,920
Speaker 1: to places that in my life I might not necessary to, like, um,

1528
01:29:52,160 --> 01:29:56,280
Speaker 1: like within VIEP like that that character was so annoyed

1529
01:29:56,320 --> 01:29:59,559
Speaker 1: at everything and that that's not me at all, but

1530
01:29:59,640 --> 01:30:02,200
Speaker 1: I it was so fun. It's almost like I get

1531
01:30:02,240 --> 01:30:05,280
Speaker 1: to exercise those feelings as long as I have the

1532
01:30:05,320 --> 01:30:09,280
Speaker 1: safety of like it's okay, this is a character. Yeah,

1533
01:30:08,800 --> 01:30:11,160
Speaker 1: it's it's like babysitting or it's like it's like being

1534
01:30:11,160 --> 01:30:14,280
Speaker 1: in an aunt with like your nieces and nephews were like,

1535
01:30:14,320 --> 01:30:16,439
Speaker 1: it's just temperary. I get to hand back the child

1536
01:30:17,120 --> 01:30:22,200
Speaker 1: after this is done, right right? Yeah? Maybe, yeah, definitely.

1537
01:30:22,280 --> 01:30:23,800
Speaker 1: I think I think for sure it's like you don't

1538
01:30:23,840 --> 01:30:27,200
Speaker 1: have ownership over what you've done because it wasn't exactly

1539
01:30:27,720 --> 01:30:29,760
Speaker 1: just like it's not your kid and it doesn't matter

1540
01:30:29,800 --> 01:30:31,640
Speaker 1: what happens when you watch it, right, that's what you

1541
01:30:31,680 --> 01:30:35,280
Speaker 1: were saying. Yes, I'm like Hugh Grant in the undoing.

1542
01:30:36,000 --> 01:30:38,360
Speaker 1: Um you know what, Okay, I just this is kind

1543
01:30:38,360 --> 01:30:40,080
Speaker 1: of this is just an acting thing that I has

1544
01:30:40,120 --> 01:30:42,519
Speaker 1: really resonated with me. Recently. I was watching interviews with

1545
01:30:42,560 --> 01:30:48,360
Speaker 1: Anya Taylor Joy. Yeah, and I think they were there

1546
01:30:48,600 --> 01:30:51,160
Speaker 1: someone was asking her like what her process was or whatever,

1547
01:30:51,760 --> 01:30:53,439
Speaker 1: and she was just like, you know, like I used

1548
01:30:53,439 --> 01:30:54,840
Speaker 1: to be really concerned about like and this is what

1549
01:30:54,880 --> 01:30:56,439
Speaker 1: I'm concerned about all the time, and this is so

1550
01:30:56,479 --> 01:30:58,880
Speaker 1: shallow and stupid. But whenever I'm like on camera, I'm like,

1551
01:30:59,360 --> 01:31:02,920
Speaker 1: is my face doing the right thing? And then I've

1552
01:31:02,920 --> 01:31:05,280
Speaker 1: had this thought constantly. But then she wasn't on the tylor.

1553
01:31:05,320 --> 01:31:07,400
Speaker 1: Joe wasn't directly addressing this, but she was like I

1554
01:31:07,439 --> 01:31:10,479
Speaker 1: had an acting teacher tell me once, as long as

1555
01:31:10,479 --> 01:31:12,439
Speaker 1: you have the thought, you're you're going to do the

1556
01:31:12,520 --> 01:31:14,719
Speaker 1: right thing as long as you are, which I guess

1557
01:31:14,800 --> 01:31:16,880
Speaker 1: is like is that Meisner, I guess or whatever. I

1558
01:31:16,880 --> 01:31:21,200
Speaker 1: don't know what it does sound mesnary Um. Yeah, that

1559
01:31:21,200 --> 01:31:23,600
Speaker 1: that you don't need to control any other aspect is

1560
01:31:23,680 --> 01:31:28,320
Speaker 1: just like just organically be in the moment and just yeah, exactly,

1561
01:31:28,439 --> 01:31:30,920
Speaker 1: just like supplanned the thought into your head of like

1562
01:31:30,960 --> 01:31:33,680
Speaker 1: I'm angry, I'm going to think of an I'm going

1563
01:31:33,720 --> 01:31:36,479
Speaker 1: to think of something that would make this character angry

1564
01:31:36,520 --> 01:31:38,320
Speaker 1: and then be angry, and that's going to that's going

1565
01:31:38,400 --> 01:31:43,120
Speaker 1: to translate, and that'll sell it. She is, she is

1566
01:31:43,160 --> 01:31:46,840
Speaker 1: the queen of you. You look at her. She has

1567
01:31:46,840 --> 01:31:50,000
Speaker 1: the queen of gambits. First of all, we should say

1568
01:31:50,320 --> 01:31:54,200
Speaker 1: like she really doesn't. And I say this in a

1569
01:31:54,320 --> 01:31:57,160
Speaker 1: in a in a way where I'm so impressed by her,

1570
01:31:57,280 --> 01:32:02,400
Speaker 1: but doesn't take her much to transfer a lot, you

1571
01:32:02,400 --> 01:32:05,880
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like she is truly brilliant micro expressions.

1572
01:32:05,920 --> 01:32:08,840
Speaker 1: She's she really is. Yeah, yeah, she's amazing in the

1573
01:32:08,880 --> 01:32:12,280
Speaker 1: queen's game. But famously Bowen took me to see Thoroughbred's

1574
01:32:12,320 --> 01:32:15,240
Speaker 1: a few years ago and I was blown away. But

1575
01:32:15,400 --> 01:32:22,559
Speaker 1: she was so good. Oh, it's really good. And the

1576
01:32:22,600 --> 01:32:24,320
Speaker 1: other girl is really good to I believe her name

1577
01:32:24,360 --> 01:32:27,280
Speaker 1: is Alicia Cook. That I believe that could that could

1578
01:32:27,280 --> 01:32:31,240
Speaker 1: be wrong. She's excellent, she's fantastic. But it's like just

1579
01:32:31,320 --> 01:32:37,760
Speaker 1: a really good, really tense, um funny, dark dark, dark,

1580
01:32:37,880 --> 01:32:41,639
Speaker 1: dark comedy that they are amazing, and they played teen

1581
01:32:41,680 --> 01:32:46,840
Speaker 1: girls who um horse girls. They delay teen horse girls

1582
01:32:46,840 --> 01:32:49,360
Speaker 1: who get together after several years of being apart, after

1583
01:32:49,400 --> 01:32:51,800
Speaker 1: one of them has been in a juvenile detention facility

1584
01:32:52,040 --> 01:32:54,639
Speaker 1: and the other one, who's continued to live her life,

1585
01:32:54,640 --> 01:32:57,439
Speaker 1: starts tutoring her, and it's about their relationship and what

1586
01:32:57,479 --> 01:33:01,360
Speaker 1: they decided to do together. So it's really really, Oh

1587
01:33:01,439 --> 01:33:05,000
Speaker 1: my gosh, you had me at Teen Horse Girl. Yeah.

1588
01:33:06,040 --> 01:33:11,479
Speaker 1: But uh, speaking of speaking of Teen Horse Girl, I mean, wait,

1589
01:33:11,600 --> 01:33:13,479
Speaker 1: one thing, Wait one thing I wanted to I wanted

1590
01:33:13,520 --> 01:33:17,960
Speaker 1: to just bring up you want to interlocking I did. Yeah, Okay,

1591
01:33:17,960 --> 01:33:20,759
Speaker 1: I didn't know that. So that's like a prestigious performing

1592
01:33:20,880 --> 01:33:24,080
Speaker 1: arts big school, y'all. So that's why we have the brilliance.

1593
01:33:24,240 --> 01:33:30,920
Speaker 1: I say, she understands the process. Yeah, she is aware

1594
01:33:31,000 --> 01:33:33,720
Speaker 1: that she has trouble accessing her anger because of the

1595
01:33:33,760 --> 01:33:38,639
Speaker 1: interlocking background. I mean, you're not wrong, you're not wrong

1596
01:33:38,680 --> 01:33:42,160
Speaker 1: about that. Um yeah I did. I went there my

1597
01:33:42,280 --> 01:33:48,280
Speaker 1: last two years of high school. Did you love? Oh

1598
01:33:48,400 --> 01:33:51,599
Speaker 1: my god? It was heaven. It was just kind of

1599
01:33:51,680 --> 01:33:55,880
Speaker 1: like do fun. Yeah, I wish, I wish, I wish

1600
01:33:56,840 --> 01:34:00,360
Speaker 1: anyway we turned out, we turned out, Okay, we turned fine.

1601
01:34:01,080 --> 01:34:06,720
Speaker 1: Um but yeah, but uh, we'll have to have that

1602
01:34:06,880 --> 01:34:10,320
Speaker 1: discussion on another episode where you come back. Oh my god,

1603
01:34:10,720 --> 01:34:17,799
Speaker 1: this was so fun and I'm so and Mary's going places.

1604
01:34:17,920 --> 01:34:20,559
Speaker 1: I bet you anything. Oh, I mean, come on, we

1605
01:34:20,680 --> 01:34:25,040
Speaker 1: have just just so excited for you. For everyone to

1606
01:34:25,120 --> 01:34:27,559
Speaker 1: see this, I mean, I'm sure everyone that is seeing

1607
01:34:27,560 --> 01:34:30,240
Speaker 1: it is all talking about how amazing you were in

1608
01:34:30,320 --> 01:34:32,320
Speaker 1: it and then finding out that you wrote it probably

1609
01:34:32,400 --> 01:34:36,599
Speaker 1: is a big old but you did, and I'm happy.

1610
01:34:36,640 --> 01:34:40,200
Speaker 1: A season is available to stream right now on Hulu,

1611
01:34:40,400 --> 01:34:43,160
Speaker 1: and um, it'll make you feel really good and it

1612
01:34:43,200 --> 01:34:45,519
Speaker 1: will make you laugh and like I said, feel in

1613
01:34:45,560 --> 01:34:47,599
Speaker 1: the season. And it even inspired me to get a tree.

1614
01:34:47,720 --> 01:34:52,280
Speaker 1: And you can to the ultimate compliment, Oh my gosh. Um,

1615
01:34:52,320 --> 01:34:56,120
Speaker 1: but I thought in this season as well, he's not

1616
01:34:56,760 --> 01:34:58,800
Speaker 1: because he famously has no room in his apartment, not

1617
01:34:58,840 --> 01:35:02,320
Speaker 1: even for the Christmas gift. I hi, oh birthday gift

1618
01:35:02,439 --> 01:35:06,160
Speaker 1: rather birthday gift. Well, I will eventually. We don't have

1619
01:35:06,200 --> 01:35:08,760
Speaker 1: to do this new No, we don't. What we do

1620
01:35:08,880 --> 01:35:11,800
Speaker 1: have to do is end with the song. To end

1621
01:35:11,840 --> 01:35:16,200
Speaker 1: with a song, which is we end all episodes. Okay, good, okay,

1622
01:35:16,360 --> 01:35:38,760
Speaker 1: what song? It's the most wonder we got. It's happy.

1623
01:35:36,800 --> 01:35:41,920
Speaker 1: Oh my god. If you want to hear more of

1624
01:35:41,920 --> 01:35:45,759
Speaker 1: that song, there were so many notes and Andy Williams

1625
01:35:45,760 --> 01:35:50,120
Speaker 1: on Spotify now Mariah Carey of the mail, Mariah Carey,

1626
01:35:50,600 --> 01:35:57,880
Speaker 1: Christmas is his his time time, A new rivalry