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Speaker 1: Welcome to a good game with Sarah Spain where we're

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Speaker 1: trying not to judge the grunters in tennis, but we're

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Speaker 1: really not fans. It's Wednesday, November twentieth, and on today's show,

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Speaker 1: we'll sit down with one of the greatest tennis players

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Speaker 1: of all time, one of the most influential Americans of

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Speaker 1: the twentieth and twenty first centuries, and truly the goat

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Speaker 1: of women's sports equality and advancement, the one.

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Speaker 2: And only Billy Jean King.

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Speaker 1: Plus reindeer games, good boys who just want to play ball,

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Speaker 1: and rookie hardware.

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Speaker 2: It's all coming up right after this.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back, slices and greetings once again from Malaga, Spain.

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Speaker 2: Here's what you need to know today.

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Speaker 1: The Billy Jean King Cup Finals conclude today and we

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Speaker 1: are excited to be in the building to watch the

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Speaker 1: showdown between Italy and Slovakia. In case you haven't caught

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Speaker 1: any of the action yet, here's how the event works.

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Speaker 1: During each round of competition, nations go head to head

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Speaker 1: in a best of three format featuring two singles matches

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Speaker 1: followed by one doubles match if necessary. Countries get a

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Speaker 1: point for each match they win two points you advance.

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Speaker 1: Slovakia will be going for its first win at the

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Speaker 1: event since two thousand and two and second win all time,

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Speaker 1: while Italy will be going for its fifth in history

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Speaker 1: to the NWSL. Leading up to Saturday's championship, the league

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Speaker 1: is announcing all of the end of season awards, including

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Speaker 1: Rookie of the Year, which went to Washington Spirit midfielder

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Speaker 1: and Friend of the Show Croy Bethune. If you missed

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Speaker 1: her interview in yesterday's show, go back and take a listen.

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Speaker 2: A busy couple days for Croy.

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Speaker 1: She was also announced as part of the league's Best

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Speaker 1: Eleven and Second Best Eleven, which honors the top twenty

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Speaker 2: Withoon made the first team.

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Speaker 1: Saturday's finalists the Orlando Pride and Washington Spirit, along with

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Speaker 1: semi finalist Scot The FC led the league with five

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Speaker 1: players from each team earning either first or second team honors.

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Speaker 1: Also coaching honors announced on Tuesday, with Orlando Pride coach

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Speaker 1: Sub Hines earning Coach of the Year. He led Orlando

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Speaker 1: this year. He took over in June of twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: all time winningest coach in Pride history with a thirty one,

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Speaker 2: More footy news.

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Speaker 1: US Soccer on Tuesday announced that Washington Spirit owner Michelle

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Speaker 1: Kang has pledged thirty million dollars over the next five

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Speaker 1: years to support the development of girls and women's soccer,

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Speaker 1: with the donation helping support talent identification camps and more.

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Speaker 1: Per US Soccer, the donation will quote create over one

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Speaker 1: hundred thousand new opportunities for girls and women in soccer

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Speaker 1: and quote double the number of national team camps that

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Speaker 1: currently runs, equating to six camps per age group for

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Speaker 1: youth national teams end quote to basketball, Unrivaled has announced

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Speaker 1: the six head coaches for the inaugural season WNBA fans

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Speaker 1: the Naysmith Hall of Famer who most recently led the

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Speaker 1: Chicago Sky in twenty twenty four, and Nola Henry, who

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Speaker 1: was an assistant coach with the Los Angeles Sparks this

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Speaker 1: past season. The other coaches include former MNBA Los Angeles

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Speaker 1: professional skills coach DJ Sackman, and Washington Mystics player development

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Speaker 1: assistant coach Andrew Wade. In College field Hockey News, or

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Speaker 1: as Meisch wrote, NCAA faky, which listen me, I'm warming

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Speaker 1: up to vibes. I will consider vibes, but under no

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Speaker 1: circumstances will I ever let you make faki happen field hockey.

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Speaker 2: We're just gonna call it field hockey anyway. The final

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Speaker 1: North Carolina, Saint Joseph's, Northwestern and the University of Massachusetts

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Speaker 1: UNC squad had a pretty uneventful journey to qualify for

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Speaker 1: their fifteenth Final four in the last sixteen years. The

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Speaker 1: against Duke. In Pro Hockey news, the PWHL may be

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Speaker 1: The news comes after the PWHL announced that it plans

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Speaker 1: We'll link to the tour schedule and tickets in our

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Speaker 1: show notes and also sends manifestations to places that I

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Speaker 1: just love to see a PWHL game in Vancouver. Just

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Speaker 1: put it out there to the WNBA. Per reporting from

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Speaker 1: Anti costable. The Chicago Sun Times, the Seattle Storm is

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Speaker 1: investigating its coaching staff for alleged player mistreatment, including harassment

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Speaker 1: during games this past WNBA season. Noel Quinn is currently

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Speaker 1: former coach Dan Hughes retired in twenty twenty one. Quinn's

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Speaker 1: assistants this past season were former WNBA player Ebonie Hoffman,

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Speaker 1: longtime head coach and assistant Pokie Chapman, and Perry Hwang.

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Speaker 1: Will keep you updated as more reporting on that comes out.

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Speaker 1: One last note from the last few days of jam

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Speaker 1: FIS World Cup slalom event in Levy, Finland, to give

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Speaker 1: you get a baby reindeer. It stays in Finland, but

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Speaker 1: it's named by the winner, and Schiffrin's heard from past

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Speaker 2: Rory, short for Aurora Bori Alice.

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Speaker 1: Someone gotta start writing a new version of the song

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Speaker 1: because Mikayla's almost there, you know, Lorex and Grogu and

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Speaker 1: The Queen of Malaga, Spain, Billy Jane King. We are

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Speaker 1: here in Malagas, Spain, in the BJK offices adjacent to

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Speaker 1: the courts and joining us now she really needs no introduction,

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Speaker 1: the first female athlete ever named Sports Illustrated Sportsmen of

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Speaker 1: the Year, Presidential Medal of Freedom, and Congressional Gold Medal winner.

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Speaker 1: The USTA National Tennis Center in New York City was

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Speaker 1: renamed the USTA Billy Jean King National Tennis Center in

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Speaker 1: two thousand and six, and in twenty twenty, the FED

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Speaker 1: for equality and social justice, She's founded the Women's Sports

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Speaker 1: countless teams and companies, including the Dodgers, Sparks, Angel City FC,

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Speaker 1: the PWHL, and Just Women's Sports. After meeting her, Charles

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Speaker 1: Schultz started highlighting issues of women's sports in the Peanuts

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Speaker 1: comic and Elton John wrote the song Philadelphia Freedom for

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Speaker 1: She's an icon, She's a hero.

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Speaker 2: It's Billy Jean King BJK. What's up?

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Speaker 3: That's pressures Sarah hard to get.

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Speaker 2: It all out that quick. There's too many things I

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Speaker 3: Elan and I really love your show, so thank you

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Speaker 3: so much.

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Speaker 2: We love to hear from you. Every time you email,

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Speaker 2: they're listening.

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Speaker 4: You do your research, which is most people don't, especially

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Speaker 4: young reporters. A lot of times will come and you

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Speaker 4: end up just educating them the whole time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's okay.

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Speaker 4: That's how you keep learning from each other, and I

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Speaker 1: The history matters, though, to contextualize. In order to know

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Speaker 4: Well, this is what I always say by his story.

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Speaker 4: The more you know about history, the more you know

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Speaker 4: It's shaping the future, I think probably reason I love

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Speaker 1: So I want to ask you the most important thing first,

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Speaker 2: It's a contentious question. What color is a tennis ball.

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Speaker 4: The ones we play with, they're probably yellow, probably well

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Speaker 4: whatever they want to get an answer, it's usually yellow

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Speaker 4: in our I think most tennis players would probably say yellow.

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Speaker 3: Is that right?

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Speaker 4: In the old days, they were white when I played

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Speaker 4: in the beginning, and then we changed in the seventies.

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Speaker 1: We're in Malaga, Spain at the Billy Jean King Cup

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Speaker 1: formerly known as the FED Cup, renamed in your honor.

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Speaker 1: You want it ten times in your career with Team USA.

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Speaker 1: What makes this event so special?

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Speaker 4: Well, I grew up in team sports and this is

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Speaker 4: a team event. And most people think of tennis only

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Speaker 4: as as an individual sport.

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Speaker 3: It's not.

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Speaker 4: It's really both. There's mixed doubles, doubles, singles. I like

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Speaker 4: doubles better than singles. I've always played all three events

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Speaker 4: And I just love playing for your country. There's there's

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Speaker 4: for something much bigger than yourself. You're representing your country

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Speaker 4: where you most people grew up.

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Speaker 3: It's heavy. I mean it's good heavy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, it's a privilege.

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Speaker 1: It is.

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Speaker 2: I love it.

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Speaker 2: told it on our show. Yeah, I love that story.

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Speaker 2: That's in this event.

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Speaker 4: It's a Federation Cup. It's called Federation Cup. It started

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Speaker 4: in nineteen sixty three. I was on that team. I

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Speaker 4: And we had sixteen teams that were invited just to

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Speaker 4: I remember being now match points and how exciting it was,

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Speaker 4: It's worth a lot more money than if they're single tournaments.

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Speaker 4: They go, No, I go and I'm eleven years old,

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Speaker 3: I've be gone to Fortune, I've gone to Forbes. I

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Speaker 4: Go, I go, You've got to have a sports part

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Speaker 1: So we're watching all this growth around women's sports, and

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Speaker 4: Probably both, But I always look forward. I've always been

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Speaker 4: A men because they boycotted. And I appreciated what they did,

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Speaker 4: but to always not allow us to be with them.

440
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Speaker 3: I think that's a mistake. I think you're more powerful.

441
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Speaker 4: I think one thing we have going for us culturally

442
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Speaker 4: is that we've had the men and women together forever.

443
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Speaker 3: I think it makes us stronger.

444
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Speaker 4: And I always said to them, it's not what we

445
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Speaker 4: can do to do on the court, but what we

446
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Speaker 4: could do together off the court to make this world

447
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Speaker 4: a better place.

448
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Speaker 3: This is, you know, this.

449
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Speaker 4: Is just a little spect Every sports a spec really,

450
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Speaker 4: but sports are microcosm society. They tell you what's happening,

451
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Speaker 4: and women's sports tells you a lot about where women are.

452
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Speaker 4: And we've got a long way to go. I think

453
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Speaker 4: we're probably gonna go backwards for a while, and women

454
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Speaker 4: have to stand up and say what they want and need,

455
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Speaker 4: which is a really hard thing for girls. I'll never

456
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Speaker 4: forget when I met Mark Walter, who's the Dodgers, owner

457
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Speaker 4: of the Lakers, everything owner for us, and I met

458
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Speaker 4: him in a fundraiser because I do a lot of fundraisers,

459
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Speaker 4: and this was for Camal Murray in the South side

460
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Speaker 4: of Chicago, and he was sitting next to Lana and

461
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Speaker 4: I saw his body language as I was speaking about

462
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Speaker 4: how you know, we're trying to raise money, obviously because

463
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Speaker 4: Comal was making a new tennis center. It's twenty seven.

464
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Speaker 4: It's just beautiful in the South Side. It's absolutely stunning.

465
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Speaker 4: X S's called, and I just saw this guy and

466
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Speaker 4: I didn't know who he was. His body language told

467
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Speaker 4: me something was and so sure enough, right after he goes,

468
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Speaker 4: oh yeah, I want you Nilana to be part of

469
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Speaker 4: the Sparks and this, and I said, now, this is

470
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Speaker 4: unusual for me. In fact, is probably the first time

471
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Speaker 4: really I said, what about the Dodgers, because i grew

472
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Speaker 4: up with the Dodgers. I'm from southern California. My brother

473
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Speaker 4: and I, you know, used to bleed Dodger blue. And

474
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Speaker 4: of course then my brother became a professional baseball player.

475
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Speaker 3: And what happened. The Giants, the rival.

476
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Speaker 4: You know, they don't get to pick every time in

477
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Speaker 4: the draft with them, so they chose them and he

478
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Speaker 4: played ten years.

479
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Speaker 3: I was a picture.

480
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Speaker 4: If you played ten years on the Saramanchisco Giants baseball team,

481
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Speaker 4: you get to be part of their Hall of Fame.

482
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Speaker 4: So Randy's my RJ or whatever. Moffatt, it's our birthday.

483
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Speaker 4: It's up, you know, it's up on the outside of

484
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Speaker 4: the building, the inside of the building. So I loved

485
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Speaker 4: finding where his photo is and the plaque on him.

486
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Speaker 4: And I had so much fun because I love him

487
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Speaker 4: so much, and you know, he's five years younger and

488
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Speaker 4: I wanted a brother or sister so badly, and he

489
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Speaker 4: came along and we just played ball together and has

490
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Speaker 4: so much fun.

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Speaker 1: So you'll make an exception for the giants with him,

492
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Speaker 1: but other than that, it's dodged all the way.

493
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Speaker 4: When he went with the Giants, I was giants with

494
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Speaker 4: him as soon as he left him back to Dodger.

495
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Speaker 1: Not only a fan but an owner. You're like, am

496
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Speaker 1: I going to root against your root for your rival,

497
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Speaker 1: but I'm going to own it.

498
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Speaker 3: No. But it's good because it's women. We're gay.

499
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Speaker 4: I mean, you know, they're trying to have more inclusion. Yeah,

500
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Speaker 4: and they're sending very positive messages and we are.

501
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Speaker 1: Seeing this like real, I think see change in the

502
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Speaker 1: last even just a couple years for women's sports. And

503
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Speaker 1: I wonder what surprised you the most.

504
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Speaker 4: I'm not surprised. I've been waiting, so I'm always waiting

505
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Speaker 4: and I'm like, finally, finally, come on, we can do this.

506
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Speaker 4: I think the number of women's sports. People are investing

507
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Speaker 4: in us finally, I mean investing. They think they're going

508
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Speaker 4: to get a return on.

509
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Speaker 2: That opportunity, not support, not a cause.

510
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Speaker 4: Not you know, a charity like we're going to try

511
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Speaker 4: to be nice and help you girls, which is usually

512
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Speaker 4: what we had to deal with. And I think when

513
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Speaker 4: we started our tour back in nineteen seventy one, that

514
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Speaker 4: was that was a true brand investment helping women's tennis,

515
00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:07,960
Speaker 4: and we were by far the leaders golf. The LPGA

516
00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:12,080
Speaker 4: started in nineteen fifty with thirteen members players.

517
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Speaker 3: They started it and their way ahead.

518
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Speaker 4: But in nineteen seventy one, Kathy Whitworth, who was number one,

519
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:21,679
Speaker 4: made I think around forty thousand, and I made I

520
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Speaker 4: told my former husband Larry, I said in December of

521
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Speaker 4: seventy I go, you know what, I'm going to try

522
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Speaker 4: and make one hundred thousand next year because maybe if

523
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Speaker 4: I can make that money, people will notice our tour

524
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Speaker 4: and start to follow us. Because everyone understands money. Whether

525
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Speaker 4: you're a teacher or factory worker, a billionaire, it doesn't matter.

526
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Speaker 4: Everyone understands money. And so I thought, you know what,

527
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Speaker 4: that's a common denominator. And I said to Larry, if

528
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Speaker 4: I could do that, maybe we'll get more people and

529
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Speaker 4: get some traction for people to watch us. And people

530
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Speaker 4: did start keeping track as you're going to make it,

531
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Speaker 4: not make it. I made it the last week.

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Speaker 3: I was really tight. I was in Phoenix.

533
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Speaker 4: I remember everything, and but about killed me because we

534
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Speaker 4: made eighteen hundred dollars.

535
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Speaker 1: When we want a tournaments, a lot of tournaments to

536
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Speaker 1: get done.

537
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Speaker 2: I got that.

538
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Speaker 4: And we had one tournament that had forty thousand dollars

539
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Speaker 4: in Houston at Gladys Hellman, who's responsible for getting the sponsor,

540
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:15,600
Speaker 4: and we signed a dollar contract with her nine of

541
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Speaker 4: us in nineteen seventy and this is nineteen seventy one,

542
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Speaker 4: and she held a tournament for forty thousand. I don't

543
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Speaker 4: think she knew what she was doing, but I did

544
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Speaker 4: because I think if I can win that, that's ten thousand. Wow,

545
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Speaker 4: that's like four tournaments. I had five tournaments, and I thought,

546
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Speaker 4: unless I win that, I'm not going to make it.

547
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:36,880
Speaker 4: At the end of the year, I figured it out,

548
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Speaker 4: and so I was totally exhausted because we do.

549
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Speaker 3: A lot of promotions. That's all we did.

550
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,760
Speaker 4: We signed every autograph until the last person left. We

551
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Speaker 4: did media six o'clock radio shows, two o'clock in the morning.

552
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Speaker 4: If we had indoors, I would be talking to a

553
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Speaker 4: magazine person.

554
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Speaker 1: I mean, and that's the case for women athletes a

555
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Speaker 1: lot of times still to this day. It's not only

556
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Speaker 1: do you have to be the best at your sport,

557
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Speaker 1: but you have to help sell the tickets, promote it.

558
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Speaker 1: Not the very highest level of tennis, for instance, but

559
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Speaker 1: oh you look at like PWHL players, that's the first

560
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 1: year with this year, but I mean hockey players the

561
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Speaker 1: last couple of years, even before the p WHL, they

562
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Speaker 1: had to be the best player in the world. Yes,

563
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Speaker 1: sell tickets, do media from the morning till night of

564
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Speaker 1: the same day that they're playing. And I think that's

565
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Speaker 1: one of the things that's going to change with investment.

566
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Speaker 1: You talked about how sometimes you talk a lota's ear

567
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Speaker 1: off about what's next?

568
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Speaker 2: What's next? You are eighty eighty one next week, you're

569
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:32,359
Speaker 2: not slowing down? What keeps you going? Instead of saying, Okay,

570
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Speaker 2: I think I'm good, I'm going to relax a little bit.

571
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Speaker 4: Nothing's changed since I was a baby. I mean, I

572
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Speaker 4: don't know if you know my epiphany story. I was

573
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Speaker 4: told yeah, And I was at the Los Angeles Tennis Club.

574
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Speaker 4: I've been playing tennis one year, and I just looked

575
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Speaker 4: around that kind of daydreaming, and I thought, you know,

576
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:52,640
Speaker 4: everyone wears white clothes, play with white balls, and everybody

577
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 4: plays as white, and where's everybody else?

578
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Speaker 3: And then I started thinking, you know what tennis is made.

579
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Speaker 3: We're global sport, We're all over the world. This is

580
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 3: you know. I'm like, this isn't amazing because a lot

581
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 3: of sports are just us.

582
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Speaker 4: And I thought, wow, this is an opportunity, and I

583
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,440
Speaker 4: wanted to make the world better. And I already knew

584
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Speaker 4: at eleven I was a SEC. I mean at twelve,

585
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Speaker 4: I was a second class citizen. I knew it eleven actually,

586
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Speaker 4: but I also knew my sister's a color, I knew

587
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 4: my people with disabilities. I knew they were much worse

588
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:30,439
Speaker 4: off than I was. But by the time you're a

589
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Speaker 4: girl at seven eight, most of the time, I think

590
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Speaker 4: you start to realize this world's for the boys, it's

591
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Speaker 4: not for me, and you're going to have to find

592
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Speaker 4: a way to get in there and have your niche

593
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Speaker 4: and have what's important to you and figure it out.

594
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Speaker 4: But so I may have promised to myself that day

595
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Speaker 4: at twelve, when I had my epiphany that because tennis

596
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Speaker 4: is global and if I could become number one, maybe

597
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:57,200
Speaker 4: just maybe people might listen. Maybe I'd have a platform.

598
00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,560
Speaker 4: I didn't know the word platform, but I was thinking

599
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Speaker 4: platform and visualizing.

600
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Speaker 2: It and influence. You just knew that there was some

601
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:06,160
Speaker 2: power being great at something.

602
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Speaker 3: When you ask kids today, you go, what do you

603
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 3: want in them? Be an influencer?

604
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 2: Yeah? I know, it's it's depressing.

605
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 3: So it's very depressing. I go, what does that mean?

606
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 2: Yeah? They go, you know, learn a skill, kid, learn

607
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 2: an instrument?

608
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 3: There are They think that is being a skill And

609
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:19,879
Speaker 3: then they go, well, how many followers?

610
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Speaker 1: All?

611
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 3: I have one hundred and followers. I'm like, you need

612
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 3: a little more than so. Yeah.

613
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Speaker 1: I mean I think there is your through line clearly,

614
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 1: and anyone who knows your story knows that it's been

615
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:31,920
Speaker 1: your entire life since you were ten or eleven, looking

616
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:33,399
Speaker 1: around and thinking what isn't right here?

617
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 2: And how do I fix it? And I wonder when

618
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:37,119
Speaker 2: you're looking around, you know.

619
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Speaker 1: We spoke for my podcast in twenty twenty one, and

620
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Speaker 1: you said your biggest dilemma was a lack of time

621
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Speaker 1: you wanted to have another lifetime to keep fighting, start over,

622
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:46,920
Speaker 1: keep going.

623
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Speaker 3: I want nine lifetime.

624
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want a hundred.

625
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 3: It'll be fine than you.

626
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:53,120
Speaker 2: But I already feel that way as well.

627
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 1: And sometimes I look back and think, oh, man, I

628
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:58,880
Speaker 1: wish i'd already been more aware of things even twenty

629
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Speaker 1: years ago, to start fighting even earlier. And for you,

630
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 1: what are your priorities right now? What's top of the

631
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 1: list to keep going and doing well.

632
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 4: I'd like to make the you know not I, but

633
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:10,880
Speaker 4: we would like to make the Billy Jing can come

634
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:13,959
Speaker 4: better and better, get more countries, even more than one

635
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,400
Speaker 4: hundred and thirty seven, because there's probably two hundred and ten.

636
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,920
Speaker 4: I think when the ITF the International Tennis Federation, there's

637
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 4: a federation in every country, and that's grassroots for the kids.

638
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 4: The young players play the ITF tournaments, the International Tennis

639
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:30,120
Speaker 4: Federation tournaments, and that's how you start to play tennis,

640
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,159
Speaker 4: and then you graduate to the eighth you know, the

641
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:36,360
Speaker 4: ATP of the Men's Tour or the WTA tournaments. It's

642
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 4: there's a real process for kids.

643
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 2: So there's more places that could be playing an end.

644
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 2: So I want to get better.

645
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Speaker 4: And tennis is amazing sport. I played all the other

646
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Speaker 4: sports first, and I realized when I started playing that

647
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 4: I could hit one hundred balls in five minutes.

648
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 3: I played shortstop, sooptball. Of course, we had to.

649
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 4: Play softball, not baseball at that time. And then I figured,

650
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 4: I'm up to bat one every nine times, and I

651
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 4: can hit a hundred balls in tennis less than five minutes.

652
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 4: And yet as a shortstop, you're considered you get the

653
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 4: most action in the infield, right, And I probably this is.

654
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Speaker 1: Clearly a metaphour for your life. I'm sure you understand this.

655
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Speaker 1: You're like, I know what I'm saying. I'm touch the

656
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Speaker 1: ball stop all you were like, oh, I don't get

657
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Speaker 1: to touch the ball enough. In tennis, I get to

658
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 1: hit a hundred balls, and in life you're like, I

659
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 1: gotta do one hundred things.

660
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 2: I got to hit one hundred. Yeah, it's it's it's

661
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 2: a story for your life. I mean, I love you.

662
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 1: I love that you're still going and I love that

663
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 1: you're not settling down because your influences is unmatched in

664
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 1: this space. And I literally jokingly call you the Forest

665
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 1: Gump of women's sports.

666
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 3: If they made a movie, you.

667
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 1: Would pop up telling Julie Foudy and the ninety nine

668
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 1: ers how to get started. You would pop up telling

669
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 1: the p w HL, I'm gonna help launch this league,

670
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 1: talking to Cammi Granado and the hockey player.

671
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 2: I mean, every story I hear. Well, we asked Billy

672
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 2: Jean King, and that's how we got going.

673
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 4: Well, you know where we met though, we met at

674
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 4: the Women's Sports Foundation dinner, the gala. Every year, I've

675
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 4: met every person you mentioned. And Angel rorigueiros I was

676
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 4: a total superstar in than any Winter Olympics. And she's

677
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 4: one of my shoe rolls. I've got so many shoe

678
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 4: ros I love them sports in this field of endeavor,

679
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 4: and now I've learned of all the different sports you play.

680
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 4: Now I've got a whole new I'm going to learn

681
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 4: a lot more.

682
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 3: But it's just that's where the reason, one of the

683
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 3: reasons I wanted to start that was for networking.

684
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 4: You have to people have to put this in perspective.

685
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 4: We had no phones, we had no social media, we

686
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 4: had nothing in those days. So how do you get

687
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 4: the athletes together? So what we did, even at the

688
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 4: dinner the day before, we got all the athletes together.

689
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,719
Speaker 4: So they could exchange their names and addresses, and all

690
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 4: of us started talking about our sports and how we

691
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 4: get help, and I said, you've got to help more

692
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 4: than your own sport. Most people do not. Most athletes

693
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 4: only want to help their own their basketball players, I

694
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 4: only want to help basketball. If I'm a soccer player,

695
00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 4: I want to help soccer. Well, I don't look at that.

696
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 4: That's why I call the Women's Sports Foundate. I didn't

697
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 4: call it the Billy Jenkin Foundation called the Women's Sports

698
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,479
Speaker 4: because I wanted every sport, women's sport to feel they

699
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 4: belonged to this, and they do. It's very important that

700
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 4: we help each other, not just your own.

701
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Speaker 2: Sport, change the whole landscape.

702
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 3: Yes, because one affects the other, one helps the other.

703
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 1: And we've seen for years, we've used tennis as this

704
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 1: example of like, how do we get more women's sports

705
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 1: to be like tennis, where there's equal prize money, where

706
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 1: the expectation of going to see the top women's players

707
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 1: is as exciting, if not more so, than men. And

708
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 1: doing that in other sports is a little trickier for

709
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Speaker 1: a number of reasons, but it's given us something to

710
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 1: aim for because of the work that you did way

711
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 1: back when.

712
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 4: Because women's professional tennis, although they had men's pro tennis

713
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 4: on a contract, proleuce to call it for years, and

714
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 4: Susan Longlan was really the first pro and back in

715
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Speaker 4: the twenties or was it late even before the twenties,

716
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 4: but she was our first superstar in the sport.

717
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 3: Man or women. She was it. When you go to

718
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 3: Wimbledon and.

719
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Speaker 4: You walk, you get a seat in center Cory. The

720
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 4: reason they have that center court is because of Susan

721
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Speaker 4: Longland and to a lesser extent, Bill Tilden, and she

722
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 4: had sold so many tickets at the old Womann Club

723
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 4: down the street that they had to find land to

724
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Speaker 4: build a bigger place just to accommodate ticket sales. But

725
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 4: she's the reason they wanted to come to see Susan Longland.

726
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 4: The way she dressed, the way she plays. She was

727
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 4: very balletic. She won that helps you got to be winner,

728
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 4: and she was very mystical for people and just you know,

729
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 4: she just got that teaching. And I think that when

730
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 4: the tours started in seventy one, the men just got

731
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 4: really got started then two whereas if you look at

732
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 4: the NBA, they're seventy eight years old and the women's WNBA,

733
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 4: what are twenty eight years old? And people have to

734
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 4: put that in perspective when they start saying, why aren't

735
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 4: the women doing.

736
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Speaker 3: As good as the guys?

737
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 2: I said, are you kidding me?

738
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Speaker 3: And I go, they're seventy eight years old. We're twenty

739
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Speaker 3: eight and they go, oh, I never thought about it

740
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 3: like that. I said, we're very young. Business.

741
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Speaker 4: Another thing, I was sitting in the stands with David Stern,

742
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 4: who was the commission He's a market he was a

743
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 4: marketing genius.

744
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 3: And the NBA.

745
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 4: Jerry Buss told my former husband that the NBA was

746
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 4: going to go under in the late seventies.

747
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 3: Did they ever talk about that? Of Kars Stocks?

748
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 4: So what happens in those days they had tape delayed finals.

749
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 3: So you could watch it two weeks later or whatever.

750
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 4: So what happened is we got Magic Johnson, Irvin he

751
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 4: likes to be called, and Larry Bird in the in

752
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 4: the NCAA finals for the colleges.

753
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 3: But everybody thinks it's because of them. No, it's not.

754
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 3: It's because of them.

755
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 4: And David Stern from the business side, in the marketing,

756
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 4: he was a marketing genius and he got it, and

757
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 4: he said, we're going to change this fast forward. I'm

758
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 4: sitting with David Stern, who loved tennis, played a lot

759
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 4: at the US Open and the President's box. I'll never

760
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 4: forget this day. The WNBA had just getting started. I

761
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 4: turned to David. I said, David, you have to promise

762
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 4: me one thing. He says, sure, What is it I'm thinking?

763
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 3: He said, sure? Oh good.

764
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Speaker 4: Please do not let the WNBA fail. You have to

765
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 4: promise me you will not let it fail because we've

766
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 4: already had a few leagues, and that always happens in

767
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Speaker 4: every sport. By the way, they act like it's only

768
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 4: women's sports. That's how No, if you look at men's

769
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 4: sports or women's sports, you look at the beginning of time,

770
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:29,840
Speaker 4: it's just that men's sports is so much older, or even.

771
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,280
Speaker 2: Recently XFL is in its third generation.

772
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:34,800
Speaker 4: It's just it just takes time and you're going to

773
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 4: have you know, some are going to fail, but they

774
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 4: still help the sport go forward. It's like a stepping stone.

775
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 4: It's like the other women's ice hockey leagues helped the PWHL.

776
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 4: They did so I'm thankful to everyone every generation. But

777
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 4: the point is that people never talk about how men's

778
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,439
Speaker 4: sports is in trouble financially, but they always talk about

779
00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 4: our failures. And that's very much boy girl.

780
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 3: They talk about talk.

781
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 1: Aboutout men's potential versus blaming girls if there isn't an

782
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 1: instant return on investment.

783
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 3: And so it's really irritating.

784
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 4: So once you start to explaining these things, but David

785
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 4: turning me says, I promise I will not let it fail.

786
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 3: And guess what, it's still going.

787
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Speaker 2: We have to take a quick break when we come

788
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:20,240
Speaker 2: back more With Billy Jean King.

789
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Speaker 1: On our last podcast, one of the things we talked

790
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 1: about was the terrible difficulty you had in coming out,

791
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 1: and it was terrible and expectations for you as your

792
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,359
Speaker 1: sponsorships and people's view of you, and.

793
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:40,800
Speaker 3: I lost all my sponsorships.

794
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:44,839
Speaker 4: Yeah you and already twenty four hours. This is just

795
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 4: like a slow little drip.

796
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 3: It was bath. But I knew that would happen.

797
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:51,439
Speaker 4: During the seventies, I was told if I'd talk about

798
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 4: what I was thinking and feeling, which I wasn't sure

799
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 4: who I was. I was trying to find myself my

800
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 4: sexuality on it, and they said, if you say one thing,

801
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,280
Speaker 4: we will not have a tour, so.

802
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 3: That made it really easy. I go, I'm not going

803
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 3: to do that.

804
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 2: I'm tolding everyone up by having to keep myself.

805
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:11,439
Speaker 4: But eventually, but eventually, knew it wouldn't matter because one

806
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 4: individual isn't going to make that kind of difference. Right well,

807
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 4: in the beginning they think it is.

808
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 1: I hope that's the case even when the individual as president,

809
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 1: because I'm curious what you think another Trump presidency might

810
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 1: mean for the LGBTQ plus community.

811
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Speaker 2: I'm worried about.

812
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 3: I'm not sure going backwards.

813
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 4: I don't know. I have no idea. And the Congress

814
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 4: is all Republican now, which you know, to get the

815
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 4: gold Congressional Gold Medal, you have to have both parties.

816
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,880
Speaker 4: You can't get that without both. It's very interesting process.

817
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 4: I didn't know any of this. I an individual. When

818
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 4: an athlete's never gotten one, which I find extraordinary, but

819
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 4: a lot of male athletes, I'm sure have it. But

820
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 4: it's a bipartisan and I.

821
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 3: Think that's huge. That makes me happy because.

822
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 4: I'm more of a little person that everyone thinks I'm

823
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 4: really far left, and I'm not. It's just an assumption,

824
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 4: but I'm not. I'm much more down the middle than

825
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 4: people realize, because you've got to be pragmatic.

826
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 1: It's clearly how you've achieved a lot in your life

827
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 1: is your ability to appeal to the allies on a

828
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 1: side that might not see your point of view and

829
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 1: convince them to come a little bit further over and

830
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 1: join you. I think it's I think we need both people.

831
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:23,880
Speaker 1: We need the ones out front that are loudly pushing

832
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:25,919
Speaker 1: for extremes that maybe the people in the middle don't

833
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 1: think we're ready for yet, and then we need the

834
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:29,879
Speaker 1: people in the middle to bring folks along. I think

835
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 1: about like a I love the Megan Rappinos Sue Bird

836
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 1: combo because Megan's out front saying, back up the Brinks truck,

837
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:37,399
Speaker 1: give me all the money.

838
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 2: We deserve this, and Susan in the middle saying, how

839
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 2: do we do this?

840
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 4: How do we get agree with that? We don't just

841
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 4: deserve anything, not deserve No. No, women get up and

842
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 4: go we deserve more money. We deserve athletes to do that.

843
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 4: Men and women, all both genders, are all genders, and

844
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 4: they'll all get up and say we deserve No, you don't.

845
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 3: You don't even know about the business.

846
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 1: What if they do deserve it, though what if the

847
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:58,479
Speaker 1: occasion if you can improve it business wise?

848
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 3: Generally, that is not girl.

849
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 1: They deserved equal pay because the Federation is dedicated to

850
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 1: the growth of women and girls and boys, and this

851
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:07,720
Speaker 1: is fair advantage to totally.

852
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 4: If the Niners hadn't started it, or Pino would have

853
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 4: not made it okay or been a leader, and followers

854
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 4: choose leaders. Leaders don't choose followers, so you get the

855
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 4: Niners starting. God, Julie was funny help king or she

856
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 4: calls me Julie Foudy was the heart and soul of

857
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 4: the US team back in the nineties, and she says,

858
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:30,439
Speaker 4: what are we going to do? And I said, well,

859
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 4: are you willing to give up something to get something?

860
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 3: She goes, what do you mean?

861
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 4: I said, well, athletes always want everything. And they use

862
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,320
Speaker 4: the word I deserve when they don't know the business.

863
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 4: They have no idea what they're talking about, like even

864
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 4: getting the equal money from the soccer now.

865
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Speaker 3: And I think the.

866
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 4: Women deserved it because they do better than the men.

867
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Speaker 4: But why did they do better than the men? Because

868
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,399
Speaker 4: soccer is a new sport in our country, because if

869
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:55,720
Speaker 4: you look at other countries, the men are doing much better.

870
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 1: Okay, But the difference also is a federation which is

871
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 1: a nonprofit versus like no one in the w NBA

872
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 1: says we deserve NBA money. They say we deserve ex

873
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:09,720
Speaker 1: percentage or we deserve investment from media and outlets, whereas

874
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:12,759
Speaker 1: the soccer demands were specific to the fact that they

875
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 1: were supposed to be supported equally by their own federation.

876
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 4: You're making me have a lot more questions on which

877
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 4: is great. That's why that's why engagements.

878
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 2: Do a show on it bill.

879
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 3: That's why engagement's really important.

880
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 2: Let's do a show.

881
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,240
Speaker 4: Do you think the soccer players or the tennis players

882
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 4: are any athlete really understands the economics.

883
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:28,359
Speaker 3: I know they don't.

884
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 1: I think the soccer players do just solely based on

885
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 1: knowing Bekeru, who is running the women's national players that

886
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 1: budgets on the should know about. Well, there's association, the

887
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 1: executive committee. Those players spend years in there creating the

888
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 1: CBAS more so than I think most men know about

889
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:47,399
Speaker 1: their leagues. Because they are so important to the fight

890
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 1: for their own they don't have to worry, well, well,

891
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 1: the men are making millions regardless, and so they don't

892
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 1: notice as much the margins. The women have to be

893
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 1: in creating their own cbas otherwise they are getting screwed.

894
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 2: So I think actually the highest levers.

895
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 1: Levels of women players, you know, way more about the

896
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 1: economic opportunities at play. You think they have to be

897
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:05,280
Speaker 1: in those meetings for years.

898
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:08,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, I bet just soccer players. I wonder how many

899
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 4: probably you got to talk to your tennis players.

900
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 2: You know, you got to get them in those meetings,

901
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 2: you know.

902
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:15,319
Speaker 1: You we talked about how you've been fighting for this

903
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 1: stuff for such a long time.

904
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 4: Racialino and Sue invested their own money, have they.

905
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, Sue's a part owner of Gotham.

906
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 3: That's it. I knew that, and then to watch the

907
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 3: other night.

908
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 1: Now that she's that, I think she just became a

909
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:29,840
Speaker 1: part owner of the Storm as well.

910
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 2: Oh okay, yeah great, Yeah, I'm not sure about Pino yet.

911
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 3: See that makes me happy because that's what we want.

912
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, they just retired, so I think they're looking around

913
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 1: trying to figure out, well, that's what their next movie.

914
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 4: I think they're fantastic super watching her play because I

915
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 4: love my first love.

916
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 2: Yeah so much to tell you.

917
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 1: I want to talk about how you were able to

918
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 1: fight for some of these things before most of the

919
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 1: people around you were ready for it. You know, you

920
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 1: were fighting for women's equality during a time ripe with misogyny.

921
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 1: You were fighting for racial quality when racism was far

922
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 1: more mainstream. Although I don't want to get into how

923
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,839
Speaker 1: things are progressing these days, but at the time when

924
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 1: you were doing all this in the sixties and seventies,

925
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 1: how do you teach others the lessons of your lifetime

926
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 1: of advocacy and activism to encourage folks who are scared

927
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 1: or daunted by the next couple of years, or even

928
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 1: just by the future, who feel like people are not

929
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 1: ready for what they want to say.

930
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 4: Or I constantly get players to I did. I constantly

931
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:28,320
Speaker 4: got players together and with the hockey league. When kindle

932
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,319
Speaker 4: Quin came to Elanomy said help, would you help us

933
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 4: start a new hockey league, one that truly treats us properly.

934
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 4: I'm looking at her like she's five two. By the way,

935
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 4: finally I'm taller than someone. From a moment, I go

936
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 4: Elana and I look at each time and go, okay,

937
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 4: we'll try. It took seven years, but Mark Walter is

938
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 4: the reason. He and Canberra, his wife are the reason

939
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:57,279
Speaker 4: it happened. You need someone who believes in the investment. See,

940
00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:59,720
Speaker 4: he believes that he will get a return on his investment.

941
00:41:59,719 --> 00:41:59,959
Speaker 3: Event.

942
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 4: It's probably a little longer term than men maybe, but

943
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 4: he believes in it. And the Walter Cup, if you

944
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 4: look at it, it's one pound heavier than the Stanley Cup.

945
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 4: But everything Walter.

946
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 1: Cup, which is the trophy that the PWHL winning team brought.

947
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 4: It is beautiful and everything on it has a reason,

948
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 4: Like on the bottom it's the crashing of the glass ceiling.

949
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 4: It's got every team on it. It's got four little

950
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 4: things around the hockey stick because four people get to

951
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 4: the final. I mean, everything's got a reason and assembled

952
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 4: to it, which I love. And then when the players won,

953
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 4: you know, the actually Minnesota one, which is odd because

954
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 4: there were number four out of six teams. But I

955
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 4: said to Kendall and I said that to the others,

956
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:45,799
Speaker 4: I said, this thing is so heavy, and.

957
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:50,320
Speaker 2: They go, are you kidding? Give me that trub the above.

958
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 3: I mean, it's thirty seven pounds above their abother hand,

959
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 3: they're scanning all around showing everybody. Everybody's clapping and going crazy.

960
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 4: Was sold out, I mean it was amazing in Boston

961
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:03,359
Speaker 4: and I. They passed you know, this trophy to each

962
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:05,800
Speaker 4: player and they hold it up and I'm like, holy

963
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 4: come only I'm so old, Like I'm so weak, but

964
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 4: I just did it.

965
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 1: Sounds like you were almost surprised we all were the success,

966
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 1: Like because when I asked about.

967
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:15,919
Speaker 3: We weren't sure. We don't know what you never hear.

968
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: From your lifetime of advocacy. You jumped in with Kendall

969
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 1: coming to and you're like, I don't know, I don't

970
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 1: know if we could do this.

971
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 3: That's happens.

972
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 1: Attendance records, broken, enthusiasm, off the charts, expansion already in

973
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 1: the talks.

974
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's how you got to do it.

975
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 2: I guess right.

976
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 3: You got to take a leap as a leap of faith.

977
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:32,320
Speaker 4: But without Mark, it wouldn't happen. It takes millions, of

978
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 4: millions and millions of dollars.

979
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the unfortillions part.

980
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:36,959
Speaker 3: Yeah no, but the players have no clue.

981
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 2: You need power money.

982
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 4: The players know it takes a lot, They don't really

983
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 4: They need to get into the thick of it, you know,

984
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 4: the real budgets and all that, and that's where it's helpful.

985
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:46,880
Speaker 4: And when you start to own something. You do start

986
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:50,319
Speaker 4: to you know, you start to you start to worry

987
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:54,800
Speaker 4: about that. And but the PWHL is definitely way ahead

988
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:55,760
Speaker 4: of the game plan.

989
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 3: We're probably in our fourth year.

990
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, we thought we'd be taking four years to say

991
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 4: you are, and we've been selling out in five to

992
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 4: ten minutes in the Montreals to Toronto's. You know, it's

993
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 4: a religion in Canada, but it's the parents and the children.

994
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 4: Everything I do, I try to, I try to. I

995
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:16,399
Speaker 4: want a child and girls as particularly because we're way

996
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:18,280
Speaker 4: behind to have the dream.

997
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 3: I always explain it that way.

998
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:22,879
Speaker 4: I want them to have the dream. And the kids

999
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 4: come over and talk to us and they're crying a

1000
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 4: lot now, and fathers, a lot of fathers go, you know,

1001
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 4: you see that role over there. That's my three daughters

1002
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 4: and I brought them and they just they're so excited

1003
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:34,799
Speaker 4: now they have a chance. They can see themselves as

1004
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 4: maybe being a pro. Because what happens in hockey. The

1005
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 4: the brothers and sisters go to play, like when they're three,

1006
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 4: it's so adorable. And then say when the girl goes

1007
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 4: about ten, they'll say, well you should become an ice skater,

1008
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 4: and she like skatering figure. Well, you know, I keep

1009
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 4: asking them. They say, we like to be got ice skaters.

1010
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 4: Now I'm like, really, I always just thought it was

1011
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 4: figure skating.

1012
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:57,360
Speaker 2: I used to use that to differentiate between like hockey

1013
00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:58,240
Speaker 2: and acco.

1014
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 3: And I go, okay, whatever you guys want. I mean,

1015
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:01,800
Speaker 3: I just keep asking.

1016
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 2: Keep me up to day. You're on top of it.

1017
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 4: So anyway, well, I'm going to ask you about We're

1018
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:08,400
Speaker 4: gonna do more on the after we're finished, chair, I'm

1019
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:10,760
Speaker 4: going to ask you more about the budgets and the

1020
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:13,760
Speaker 4: money of the soccers. I still haven't got the answers

1021
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 4: I want. I keep asking everyone.

1022
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 2: I've got the right person think for you. I think

1023
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 2: you But back to hockey, I think you're right.

1024
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 1: What happens is at a certain age they basically the

1025
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 1: girls will play on a boys team for a while

1026
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 1: now an adventually they'll get moved to you kicked off, right,

1027
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 1: But you know.

1028
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 4: What the girls say to their parents, I want to play, yeah,

1029
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:31,839
Speaker 4: I don't want to be a bigger skater. And they

1030
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:35,319
Speaker 4: it's so adorable, they're so cute, and they have all

1031
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 4: these signs that come with and they bring their babies

1032
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:39,359
Speaker 4: that are less than a year old and they put

1033
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 4: the big, you know, ear things over there so they

1034
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 4: don't get hurt because the noise is deafening at hockey

1035
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 4: ice talking and it is just amazing. But I'm really

1036
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 4: proud of the I'm more proud of the players because

1037
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 4: when we first met, I'll never forget them saying, you know,

1038
00:45:58,760 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 4: we want to do this, And I.

1039
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 3: Said, can you get the top players together?

1040
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 4: It's got to do with tennis too. You have to

1041
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 4: have the top athletes. If you don't have the top athletes,

1042
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 4: it's not going to happen. And I said, can you

1043
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 4: get them? I said, you know Canada and the US

1044
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:12,879
Speaker 4: are always killing each other in the Olympics and the

1045
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 4: World Championships. You know that border that's below Canada and

1046
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 4: above us. I know it divides you, but in this

1047
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:23,319
Speaker 4: it is going to be the opposite. It connects you.

1048
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaker 4: I said, can you and they.

1049
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 2: Got it together? No, but they got it.

1050
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 3: I said, you guys would be together when it's the

1051
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 3: hockey league.

1052
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 4: You have to think of that as a connector not

1053
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 4: a divider. And they and I came up with it

1054
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 4: just talking to them, and they got it. And that's

1055
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:41,359
Speaker 4: why you keep learning those so you just keep learning

1056
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 4: through these different processes.

1057
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 1: But what's great is that you have the lessons from

1058
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 1: so far back and you keep reapplying them any ways,

1059
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 1: as they stay the same and as they change. You know,

1060
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:52,720
Speaker 1: I want to ask you as we let you go here,

1061
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 1: since I keep talking about you being the Forrest Gump

1062
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 1: of the last eighty years, who is the next Billy

1063
00:46:57,680 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 1: Jean King? Do you have your site set on someone

1064
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 1: that you're going to demand of them? Hey, I need

1065
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 1: you to pick up the mantle for the next forty

1066
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:04,279
Speaker 1: fifty years.

1067
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 3: I think Soon and Rapino trying to do that. I

1068
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:07,399
Speaker 3: think in their own way.

1069
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 4: I think I heard Rapino in an interview says she

1070
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 4: wants to be a broker. That's basically what we're doing.

1071
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 2: Can we ready to do it?

1072
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 3: We need to have dinner together. Feel's working on ESPN

1073
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 3: all the time and doing all that.

1074
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 4: And yes, I do talk to her, and she's very

1075
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 4: good when we talk, and if we have a goal,

1076
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 4: she gets on it.

1077
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:28,759
Speaker 3: She doesn't she doesn't mess around. She's and she's very bright.

1078
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 3: You know, she could have gone to medical school.

1079
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:32,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, Standford, stand Fanford, girly.

1080
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:33,839
Speaker 4: And she decided no, it would be soccer. I love

1081
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:36,280
Speaker 4: my soccer number eleven center.

1082
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:38,879
Speaker 3: What do you call mid midfield? In the old days,

1083
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 3: we were half you know, Like.

1084
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to get you to call someone out

1085
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 1: right here, right now so that they feel the pressure.

1086
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 4: That is well doing it okay, But I need girl

1087
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 4: women of color to get in there.

1088
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:52,359
Speaker 3: Uh. And they got to think about it. You've got

1089
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 3: to think in the terms of we.

1090
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:55,799
Speaker 4: You cannot say I or I'm just going to help

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Speaker 4: blacks or I'm just going to help whites.

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Speaker 3: You cannot do that.

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Speaker 4: You got to help everybody. Like I'll give you a

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Speaker 4: perfect example with the hockey. I said, I will not

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Speaker 4: help you unless you get more girls of color and

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00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:11,360
Speaker 4: ice hockey it's terrible. And there are some clubs of

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Speaker 4: girls of color. I said, you've got to get them included.

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Speaker 4: You've got to get more clubs or whatever you think

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Speaker 4: is going to make it work. But I will not

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Speaker 4: help you anymore unless you promised me that before we start.

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Speaker 3: They said, we promise.

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Speaker 4: I said, okay, let's go, because we have to open

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Speaker 4: up our sport to everyone. And whatever sport you're in,

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Speaker 4: you need to be inclusive as much as you can.

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Speaker 4: And some sports are much harder tennis is all white.

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Speaker 4: We've had to work hard, you know. We had THEA

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00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:39,400
Speaker 4: Gibson in nineteen fifty seven, she won her first Wimbledon.

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Speaker 4: She won the French in fifty six.

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Speaker 3: She was my Sheiro.

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Speaker 4: I'll think Gifton was my absolute first Sheiro in my life.

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Speaker 4: And I was thirteen when I saw her play and

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Speaker 4: if you can see it, you can be it. And

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Speaker 4: when I saw her, because that's what number one looks like.

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Speaker 4: I know I'm a white girl and she's black, but

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Speaker 4: I saw what it looked like as far as the ability,

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Speaker 4: how well you have to play to be number one,

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Speaker 4: I went, oh, I don't know if I can ever

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Speaker 4: be that good. But my parents always told us that

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Speaker 4: every generation gets better.

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Speaker 3: I go, God, that means I have to get better.

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Speaker 3: How am I going to be better than that? You know?

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Speaker 4: And I just remember having this discussion with myself as

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Speaker 4: a child at thirteen, going oh, but she was fantastic.

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Speaker 4: And then I got to know her and actually included

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Speaker 4: her in the Women's Sports Superstars and she won a

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Speaker 4: lot of money, which is good. She didn't make a

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Speaker 4: lot of money, so I always tried to help create

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Speaker 4: opportunities and then we had an exhibition in nineteen sixty

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Speaker 4: and I invited her. I said, are you still playing

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Speaker 4: well enough not to be embarrassed? And she said, no,

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00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 4: I'm playing well. And I said, okay, you have to

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Speaker 4: come and we'll pay you as much as anybody.

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00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:38,720
Speaker 3: And she went, really, I'll be there. Are you kidding?

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Speaker 3: I need the money.

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Speaker 1: Well, you've set that example throughout of inclusivity in a

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00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 1: way that really is a model for everybody else. So

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00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:48,840
Speaker 1: you've given a real big job to whoever follows you,

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00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 1: whether that's Suing Pinot or Founder or whoever are.

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Speaker 4: They are, and those three for sure. But which woman

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00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:57,720
Speaker 4: of color? I was always hoping Cocoa Gough. Yeah, because

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00:49:57,920 --> 00:49:59,840
Speaker 4: she gave a great speech when she was about sixteen

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Speaker 4: and in Florida.

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Speaker 3: I heard her and I thought, oh, she's the one.

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Speaker 2: She seems ready. I don't know yet, but she seems

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Speaker 2: like a prime candidate.

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Speaker 4: Big thing is most players don't want to do athletes

1147
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:13,920
Speaker 4: don't want to do this is truly learn the history

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Speaker 4: and truly learn how to be inclusive. Athletes today say

1149
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 4: I all the time. I found the first two generations

1150
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 4: say we us, and by the third generation it's I.

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00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:26,400
Speaker 4: And if we could get the third and fourth and

1152
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 4: fifth and sixth generations to say we and think beyond ourselves,

1153
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:33,280
Speaker 4: especially in an individual like golf, tennis and certain sports.

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00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:37,360
Speaker 4: I know they're taught to say team, you know in basketball,

1155
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:39,320
Speaker 4: in these sports, but I'm like, do you really feel

1156
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:39,600
Speaker 4: in it?

1157
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:41,879
Speaker 3: Do you really thinking about.

1158
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:45,279
Speaker 4: Taking your sport with you as you go forward? And

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00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:48,320
Speaker 4: I don't think most athletes, once the league's more mature,

1160
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 4: they don't take the sport with him anymore. They have

1161
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 4: to think we us, where are we going? And you

1162
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 4: can't just seep asking for things to say I deserve it.

1163
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:00,800
Speaker 4: Learn the business before you ask the question, and they don't.

1164
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 4: And that's what I'd like them to think about. And

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00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:06,360
Speaker 4: when I say learn the business, well, let's say tennis,

1166
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 4: go work in a tournament, Go ask the promoter at

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Speaker 4: the end of the week how he or she has done.

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Speaker 3: And they've never done that. If every player I've talked

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00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 3: to I.

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Speaker 4: Said, did you get paid? They said, of course I

1171
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:19,360
Speaker 4: got paid. I said, okay, did you ask the promoter

1172
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 4: who's worked all year for this one week and they've

1173
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 4: invested money so they could lose money.

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00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 3: They look at me like huh, And.

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00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:30,319
Speaker 4: I go have you asked them how they've done? Not

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00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:34,120
Speaker 4: one player today as ever said yes, not one. That's

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00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:37,799
Speaker 4: not good. They need to know is everyone else doing

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00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:40,720
Speaker 4: all right? Are the sponsors happy? Are the young players

1179
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 4: coming up happy? Are the older players happy? Are are

1180
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:46,839
Speaker 4: the people who run these events and take the risk?

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00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 3: How are they doing?

1182
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 4: Because if they're not happy, they're not going to say

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00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 4: I'm not doing this and we're not going to do

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00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 4: something else with my life, with my money. And I

1185
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:56,719
Speaker 4: don't think people understand the tenuous situation we're in all

1186
00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 4: the time.

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Speaker 2: It's an ecosystem. Everybody is a part of it.

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00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:03,279
Speaker 1: That's our great play day is everyone understand the larger ecosystems.

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00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:05,239
Speaker 1: So it's not just demanding more for the athletes, but

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Speaker 1: understanding the business side. So when they demand it, it's

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00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:09,480
Speaker 1: because they and they deserve it.

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00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 4: Sorry, I keep Interrupting's got to stop it because I'm

1193
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 4: so excited talking with you. No, I I keep telling

1194
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:20,479
Speaker 4: players you've got They always say to me what should

1195
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 4: I do? And I go learn the business and they

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00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 4: go I said, I mean, really learn it. Go work

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00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:26,880
Speaker 4: at a tournament, or go work and work for a

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00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:30,080
Speaker 4: soccer team, or go whatever, and it's great that Bob

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Speaker 4: Iger and Will o'bey have bought Angel Angel CDFC because

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00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 4: well they're friends of ours anyway.

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Speaker 2: And I mean it's like you said, it's.

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00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:39,280
Speaker 1: We instead of I. That's how you get stuff done. Yes,

1203
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:42,319
Speaker 1: and we have to go, I know, but we have

1204
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 1: to think about others, not just ourselves.

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00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 3: Agreed.

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00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:46,839
Speaker 2: Final message is a good one from Billy jin King.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for the time.

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00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks so much, sir. It's great to talk to

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Speaker 3: you you too.

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Speaker 1: Thanks again to BJK for taking the time. We got

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Speaker 1: to take another break. We'll be right back.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, slices, you already heard our good gameplay of the day.

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00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 1: Billy wants us all athletes especially to learn the business

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Speaker 1: side of their.

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00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 2: Sport and other sports.

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1219
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Speaker 1: we could all learn from, send it our way. Help

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Speaker 1: us get edumicated, slices, send them a good game at

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Speaker 1: very good boy at a tennis match three out of

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00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 1: three adorably disruptive barks. So at the bunday session of

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00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 1: the Billy Jean Kingcup between Poland and Italy, a very

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00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 1: good boy or girl wanted to make its presence felt

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00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 1: in the stands, barking three times during match play.

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00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:56,359
Speaker 2: Absolute silence, and then you heard it.

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00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:58,440
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if the Golden Retriever wanted to get

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00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:00,839
Speaker 1: in the game and grab a tennis ball, or maybe

1232
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:03,400
Speaker 1: was trying to voice support for Team Italy or Team Poland.

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Speaker 1: Either way, no shushing pups, even at a tennis tournament.

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Speaker 1: Play on now, it's your turn, rate and review. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for listening. Slices tomorrow, Potatoes, cheese, stares and shushes. Tales

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Speaker 1: from Malaga and the Billy Jean Kingcup. Good Game, Billy

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Speaker 1: Jean King, Good game, Golden Retriever, Few air quality in Malaga.

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Speaker 2: We love you, but you was Smaggi bitch.

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