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Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you welcome to stump mom never told you?

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Speaker 1: From house Stop works dot com? Hey thereon, Welcome to

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Speaker 1: the podcast. Is this Kristen and this is Molly, So Molly.

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Speaker 1: Today we're talking about hair. And when I was thinking

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Speaker 1: about this topic of women's hair and it's placed in

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Speaker 1: my life, I immediately remembered this thing that happened to

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Speaker 1: me when I was in the ninth grade. Um. As

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Speaker 1: you know, I was homeschooled for a very long time

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Speaker 1: and then, uh, my parents decided to put me in

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Speaker 1: real high school if so you know, it wasn't a

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Speaker 1: very hard transition. The first day of school, I met

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Speaker 1: this girl and we totally hit it off. And I

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Speaker 1: came home and I was like, high school's gonna be awesome.

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Speaker 1: I've got this bff. We get along so well. And

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Speaker 1: she had UM I had really short hair at the time,

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Speaker 1: a month into school, she had this haircut and it

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Speaker 1: was pretty short. She got it wasn't like a pixie cut,

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Speaker 1: It's pretty dramatic cut. I went to school the next

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Speaker 1: day and our entire like social life just changed. Oh,

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Speaker 1: she was like Felicity. Yes, she was like Felicity when

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Speaker 1: Felisi gets her hair off, except I wasn't a big

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Speaker 1: fan of Felicie's haircut. But my friend's hair cut looked amazing,

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Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, all the popular girls just

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Speaker 1: All the jocks started paying attention to her, because, as

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Speaker 1: you can imagine, I was a little bit of a

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Speaker 1: dork if you will, in high school, not ch and

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Speaker 1: and this whole haircut changed everything because for some reason

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Speaker 1: she started turning all these heads, and you know, gradually

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Speaker 1: she was she was pulled away from me into the

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Speaker 1: more popular crowd. And I blamed it all on that haircut.

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Speaker 1: But my hair was too short. I couldn't cut it anymore,

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Speaker 1: so I couldn't pull the same couldn't pull the same trick.

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Speaker 1: I just had to wait for it to grow out.

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Speaker 1: Um But anyway, I just thought that that was for me,

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Speaker 1: that was the most um important, I guess haircut of

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Speaker 1: my formative years. And it wasn't even your hair cut.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't even mine. And I I don't know why it

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Speaker 1: sticks in my head so much, but you know, we

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Speaker 1: obsessed about other people's haircut. Think about um when Britney

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Speaker 1: that was almost like more than the pictures of her

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Speaker 1: being wheeled out on a journey from her house. That

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Speaker 1: was the sign to everyone that she'd lost it. And

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Speaker 1: she lost it when she had the razor in her

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Speaker 1: sign of a woman. Just she she like, like you said,

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Speaker 1: she's lost it. And that's because I think you know,

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Speaker 1: what you learned in the ninth grade is that we

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Speaker 1: have such an emotional attachment to our hair. That was

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Speaker 1: was a physical attachment on our scalp, yes, but the

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Speaker 1: emotional attachment and the power associated with it, the the

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Speaker 1: social stigmas associated with it, they're just overpowering in a

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Speaker 1: woman's life. Yeah. And and this goes way back in history,

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Speaker 1: like men and women have always um taken a certain

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Speaker 1: the Bible that refers to it as your crowning glory.

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Speaker 1: You've got the story of Samson and Delilah, where he's

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Speaker 1: so strong until Delilah cuts his locks off and he

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Speaker 1: Encyclopedia of Hair, actually, and they noted that even the

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Speaker 1: venus of Villendorff, which goes back to what thirty thousand bcs,

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Speaker 1: some way way back, even even in those very crude statues, Um,

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Speaker 1: there are there's evidence of some kind of hair decoration.

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Speaker 1: And I remember you sent me a little tibet from

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Speaker 1: the Encyclopedia of Hair that fascinated me that in colonial America, UM,

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Speaker 1: a husband had to get permission for his wife to

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Speaker 1: woman who had her head shaved, that was seen as

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Speaker 1: a form of punishment, a form of exerting control over

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Speaker 1: and long hair is considered much better because it's a

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Speaker 1: sign of health, it's a sign of attractiveness, etcetera, etcetera. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and according to again the Encyclopedia of Hair, longer hair

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Speaker 1: For instance, Um, a friend of mine's nephew has a

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Speaker 1: being a girl, simple because his hair is long. Right, So,

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Speaker 1: and you know, I've talked before about how I had

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Speaker 1: obviously today women have you know, freedom and the luxury

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Speaker 1: got Posh Bice, Victoria Beckham who has the super short

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Speaker 1: like when Natalie Portman shaves all of her hair off

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Speaker 1: interesting because they said that women with longer hair seemed healthy,

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Speaker 1: are seen as more youthful, honest, caring, and emotional. But

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Speaker 1: I will be a healthy mother. But Molly, we refer

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Speaker 1: the you know, they have their place, but I don't

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Speaker 1: know the conversation about hair, like I don't have long

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Speaker 1: hair right now because I am looking for an appropriate

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Speaker 1: father for my future children, you have long hair because

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Speaker 1: you haven't gotten a haircut in a while. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: don't know if a man would think that, because there

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Speaker 1: have sex? And it spurred this whole long article where

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Speaker 1: in and they came up. I mean, I can't wait

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Speaker 1: short hair, you're somehow saying I don't want to have

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Speaker 1: hair what this means. This is what they're telling men.

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Speaker 1: that kind of discredits some of jen A. Miller's advice. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: none of these haircuts are are any any should be

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Speaker 1: according to Jenny Miller's that she's willing to do anything

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Speaker 1: but I mean that's how men think. I guess what

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Speaker 1: you think that there's power and women's hair? We're reading

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Speaker 1: that would be like the first line of attack is

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Speaker 1: the hair off. But Molly, okay, So if we're talking

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Speaker 1: a good haircut, whether it is short and it shows

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Speaker 1: off your striking jawline and cheekbones, or if it's long

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Speaker 1: haircut is good haircut. I think the color makes a

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Speaker 1: my opinion, Well, Molly, we are we are coming at

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Speaker 1: we apparently are just having no fun at all, Kristen.

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Speaker 1: But we are successful. We're successful because we won't get

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Speaker 1: And The Times went on to talk about these um

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Speaker 1: It's it's not a full head covering, but the women

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Speaker 1: even though we might just be walking around with our

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Speaker 1: Whereas if I want to feel feel good and on

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Speaker 1: But it's just it seems weird to think that it's

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Speaker 1: such a big deal, because, as people say, when they

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Speaker 1: It's gonna grow, it'll grow back. But there's no denying

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Speaker 1: Studies have shown bad hair days affect men more than women. Wow. Yes,

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Speaker 1: day than we do. But there's no denying the emotional

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Speaker 1: of our next podcast, Love Hanger. Stay tuned to hear

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