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Speaker 3: Now, the Shador Sanders era begins in Cleveland. How long

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Speaker 3: will it last? Only time will tell.

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Speaker 4: Oh, it's gonna last a long time, a long time.

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Speaker 4: I think it is not here for a short time,

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Speaker 4: here for a long time.

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Speaker 3: Well, we're gonna hear from Shador Sanders. We're here for

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Speaker 3: a long time. We're here for the next four hours.

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Speaker 3: So if you're lucky enough to get the Doug Gottlieb

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Speaker 3: Show and Cavino and Rich Daily, Monty and I are

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Speaker 3: filling in for both. Doug is traveling with the Green

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Speaker 3: Bay basketball team. We're on their way to the US

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Speaker 3: Virgin Islands for a tournament that starts on Friday.

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Speaker 5: Sounds fun, right, That sounds soon skimming.

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Speaker 3: Weekend or leading into Thanksgiving weekend. Go to the Caribbean,

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Speaker 3: play some hoops, get some Sun Absolutely, Cavino and Rich

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Speaker 3: They were in for Dan Patrick earlier today. So we

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Speaker 3: are in for everyone here on Fox Sports Radio for

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Speaker 3: the next four hours. We're talking Lebrons return, We're talking

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Speaker 3: JJ McCarthy, but we start with Shador Sanders, who, not

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Speaker 3: surprisingly Monty was named the starter today. As Dylan Gabriel

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Speaker 3: suffered that concussion against the Ravens in week eleven. On Sunday,

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Speaker 3: Shador replaced him. And now the long wait is over.

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Speaker 3: Cash in your bets if you at Shador Sanders starting

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Speaker 3: in week twelve of an NFL season, he is going

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Speaker 3: to get the start against the Raiders coming up on Sunday.

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Speaker 4: You knew it was gonna happen, right, You were just

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Speaker 4: wondering when and how is it going to happen.

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Speaker 5: But we were all waiting for this moment.

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Speaker 4: And yeah, I'm I'm looking forward to seeing if Shadur

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Speaker 5: Camp for the Cleveland Browns.

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Speaker 3: Us throwing shade at Ylan Gabriel.

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Speaker 4: It's not that I'm throwing shit, It's just he wasn't

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Speaker 4: doing anything a rookie like who you know what I mean.

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Speaker 4: There's still a lot of time for him to develop,

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Speaker 4: but he wasn't doing anything to impress me immediately where

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Speaker 4: I would keep him on the field, especially if he's

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Speaker 4: going through a concussion protocol, there's no need to rush

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Speaker 4: him back. But it did seem like in a short

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Speaker 4: amount of time that Shador Sanders was on the field,

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Speaker 4: there were times where the offense moved a little bit

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Speaker 4: better than it did with Dylan Gabriel.

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Speaker 5: But it was tiny.

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Speaker 4: It's just that Dylan Gabriel seems like he I don't

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Speaker 4: know if he if he's scared to throw, you know,

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Speaker 4: he's getting comfortable. I don't know what it is, but

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Speaker 4: it seems to me like Shador is a little bit

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Speaker 5: I don't know a short amount of time, I know,

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Speaker 5: I don't think.

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Speaker 3: I think that Dylan Gabriel was doing what he was

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Speaker 5: And that's probably it.

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Speaker 3: And this is and there is a there is a

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Speaker 3: bigger there's a bigger picture there because I just I

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Speaker 3: just kind of screwed everybody in the deal they screwed

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Speaker 3: in a way Joe Flacco and Kenny Pickett. They definitely

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Speaker 3: screwed Dylan Gabriel. I think the person who's talked about

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Speaker 3: the shadow of Shador Sanders behind him the whole time.

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Speaker 3: And any advantage or anything that Dylan Gabriel got, whether

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Speaker 3: whatever the case was, there was always, well, what a

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Speaker 3: of it in shaudor starting where Gabriel has a concussion,

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Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, sorry.

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Speaker 3: No, I was just gonna say so. That's why I

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Speaker 3: just feel like it's it's it's unfair going back to

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Speaker 4: You are not wrong, You are not wrong, but here

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Speaker 5: If I knew somebody was on my heels.

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Speaker 4: Possibly trying to take my spot. How comfortable can you be? Right, Like,

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Speaker 4: giving him enough credit. But at the same time, clearly

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Speaker 5: Back in April.

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Speaker 4: So it's like, I think we were just all expecting

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Speaker 3: Well, we're at the point now, so Shador is going

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Speaker 3: to start and he met the media today for the

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Speaker 6: My development, you know, is a player and everything and

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Speaker 6: mentally everything has to speed up due to the situation.

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Speaker 6: I did everything I need to. I'm doing everything I

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Speaker 6: And that's great, you know, I like pressure in life.

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Speaker 6: I'm just excited for everything. So I feel like I'm

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Speaker 6: the guy. I know I'm the guy, but you know,

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Speaker 6: you just have to be able to see the game

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Speaker 6: gotta speak.

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Speaker 3: He's one hundred percent right about that. Yes, and he

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Speaker 3: I am going to nitpick and I'm going to be

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Speaker 3: that guy. It's not about Shador. We make it about

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Speaker 3: Shador all the time. In that clip that we're going

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Speaker 3: to play again, I just I just want to hear

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Speaker 3: we have? I think, yeah, let's play that one again

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Speaker 3: and then we're going to play just a little bit more.

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Speaker 3: Let's let's hear it.

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Speaker 6: My development, you know, is a player and everything and

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Speaker 6: mentally everything has to speed up due to the situation.

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Speaker 6: I did everything I need to. I'm doing everything I

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Speaker 6: And that's great, you know. I like pressure in life.

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Speaker 6: I'm just excited for everything. So I feel like I'm

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Speaker 3: Got to speak. Okay, let's go to our unofficial schadour counter.

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Speaker 3: Isaac Lonkron. How many means or eyes were in that

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Speaker 7: Eight was apparently enough.

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Speaker 3: Eight eight times. And I understand that this is his

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Speaker 3: also about the team in the Cleveland Browns, whose defense

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Speaker 3: And so for this to be about Shadoor Shador, Shador Shadeur,

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Speaker 3: it goes back to everything that we've talked about with

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Speaker 5: Listen, you make great stand.

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Speaker 4: I see what you're saying. I just don't know if

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Speaker 4: I'm fully on your side here.

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Speaker 5: You just said it. We make it about Shador Sanders.

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Speaker 5: All season.

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Speaker 4: It's been about Shador Sanders. Even before the season started,

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Speaker 4: it was about Shador Sanders. When the Cleveland Browns had

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Speaker 5: So this entire time, it's been about Shador.

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Speaker 4: And he goes out there and he's like, well, if

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Speaker 4: you're gonna already make it about me, I may as

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Speaker 4: well also make it about me because the eyes are

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Speaker 5: You just mentioned it.

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Speaker 4: The defense for the Browns has been great, as it's

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Speaker 4: always been. I think Miles Garrett has more sacks than

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Speaker 5: But even the offense just doing the job has not

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Speaker 4: Actually a little bit more, and I don't mind that.

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Speaker 4: He also let's nippick. He also said that the game,

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Speaker 4: you know, his tape, has to show it. It's not

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Speaker 4: just him being all talk. He knows he has to

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Speaker 5: But why would you expect that.

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Speaker 3: Because that's what you would get from an NFL quarterback.

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Speaker 3: That's why I have my expectations.

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Speaker 4: But we already know that Shador has a different type

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Speaker 5: His dad has family, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 4: He's been under the microscope already since before coming into

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Speaker 5: And his let's just say, he's a little cocky, right,

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Speaker 4: So he's just kind of like, I don't know why

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Speaker 3: And I I'll tell you why. I'm surprised because he

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Speaker 3: Dylan Gabriel's got this concussion. It's not that the Browns

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Speaker 3: We need a spark. We're turning to Shador Sanders. They're

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Speaker 3: from more from Shudor do we have more from shador

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Speaker 3: getting the running game going, like those sorts of things.

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Speaker 3: It's just always about him, him, him, me, me, me, me, me, my, my, my,

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Speaker 4: What if he actually doesn't know how to do that yet?

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Speaker 4: How long did he actually play for?

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Speaker 3: What?

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Speaker 3: But he hasn't there. There hasn't been much change in

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Speaker 3: That is again on the Cleveland Browns. But instead of

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Speaker 4: I actually was gonna say, how much grace do you

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Speaker 4: I know what you're I know what you're saying. I

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Speaker 5: Change his tune.

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Speaker 4: But right now, why change your tune yet when you

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Speaker 3: twenty third season an NBA record last night for the

438
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Speaker 3: Los Angeles Lakers as they topped the Utah Jazz one

439
00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:26,840
Speaker 3: forty to one twenty six. Luca had thirty seven and ten.

440
00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:30,439
Speaker 3: Lebron had his own double double as well in the

441
00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:33,960
Speaker 3: season debut, ended up playing thirty minutes in the contest,

442
00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:37,280
Speaker 3: but a modest double double eleven points in twelve assists.

443
00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:40,600
Speaker 3: So Lebron is back for season twenty three. Monsey and

444
00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:43,680
Speaker 3: the Lakers now eleven and four after that victory as

445
00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:45,800
Speaker 3: he starts a month late into the season.

446
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, it's really awesome that Lebron James can

447
00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:52,679
Speaker 4: play in the NBA this longer. Several players you know

448
00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:56,600
Speaker 4: that are playing long NBA careers and playing at a

449
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Speaker 4: high level.

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Speaker 5: It's not just Lebron. Steph Curry is out of his

451
00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:01,399
Speaker 5: mind right now. James Harden.

452
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Speaker 4: The Clippers would have zero wins if it was and

453
00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:05,040
Speaker 4: we don't have many, but we would have zero if.

454
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Speaker 5: It wasn't for James Harden.

455
00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:09,359
Speaker 4: There's a lot of longevity that we're seeing, which is

456
00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:12,639
Speaker 4: pretty awesome and good for Lebron James. Perfect game for

457
00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:15,040
Speaker 4: him to return to a team that doesn't play a

458
00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:15,680
Speaker 4: lot of defense.

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Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, That Utah Jazz score, that's

460
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Speaker 5: how they beat he No, no, no, no, no, no

461
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Speaker 5: no no.

462
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Speaker 4: What I'm saying is what a perfect game to you know,

463
00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:27,920
Speaker 4: insert yourself back into the lineup with because they don't

464
00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:30,119
Speaker 4: play a lot of defense. They do score a lot,

465
00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:35,080
Speaker 4: but the Utah Jazz are not a threatening team. And

466
00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:39,959
Speaker 4: it was interesting to see how he would go and play.

467
00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:43,119
Speaker 4: And I think Luca still had it. Seemed like he

468
00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:46,719
Speaker 4: was cautious in how he inserted himself in the offense.

469
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Speaker 4: I felt like, just watching the game, eyeball test like

470
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Speaker 4: Luca had the ball majority of the time and then

471
00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:54,040
Speaker 4: maybe Austin Reeves had it also a chunk of time.

472
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Speaker 4: I felt like he did a good job in his

473
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Speaker 4: first game back. But I just want to see later

474
00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:04,240
Speaker 4: on in a month how the Lakers look, because without Lebron,

475
00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:07,320
Speaker 4: the Lakers have looked really fast. You add Lebron in

476
00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:10,159
Speaker 4: with a Luca who's not as fast, I wonder how

477
00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:12,359
Speaker 4: much it's gonna slow them down. And right now, the

478
00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:14,520
Speaker 4: only team, like I know, in football, we have no

479
00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:17,240
Speaker 4: idea who's gonna come out of the NFL Right now,

480
00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:17,760
Speaker 4: early on.

481
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Speaker 5: It seems like nobody's gonna stop. Okay see from.

482
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Speaker 3: Repeating, yeah maybe not, probably not. Denver looks good they

483
00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:24,880
Speaker 3: do so far early on. The thing that I think

484
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Speaker 3: that is interesting to take away from last night and

485
00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:32,920
Speaker 3: your point about about the older players faring well so far.

486
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Speaker 3: That's what happens when you have an entire offseason to

487
00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:38,440
Speaker 3: rest up. You could play the first month of the season. Now,

488
00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:41,399
Speaker 3: we'll see as the attrition rolls on and the season

489
00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:44,240
Speaker 3: rolls on, on where that goes and if players are

490
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Speaker 3: able to stay healthy. And last night, I know it's

491
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Speaker 3: not it's not ideal, but there's a way that you

492
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Speaker 3: have to handle Lebron, and I felt that the way

493
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Speaker 3: to handle Lebron was perfect last night in the sense

494
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:04,000
Speaker 3: of everyone else got a head start and Lebron says, yeah,

495
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:07,000
Speaker 3: I'll catch up. I'll catch up a month later. Whether

496
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:11,959
Speaker 3: the sciatica was was real, whether it's them just trying

497
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:17,560
Speaker 3: to load manage him throughout the season, no really reason

498
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:21,159
Speaker 3: for him to to play in the first month of

499
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:25,080
Speaker 3: the year. Lebron has shown his ability to be a

500
00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:29,280
Speaker 3: distributor twelve assists last night in the contest. He has

501
00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:33,960
Speaker 3: no problem doing that. But he's also able to turn

502
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,879
Speaker 3: it on and off. And many who have followed the NBA.

503
00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:40,960
Speaker 3: Rick Buker, a friend of the dou Gottlieb Show, you know,

504
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:42,800
Speaker 3: I said it like, when Lebron wants to get his,

505
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,600
Speaker 3: he'll get his. We've seen that throughout his career, Lebron

506
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:47,840
Speaker 3: will get people involved in the first half and then

507
00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:50,600
Speaker 3: the second half he'll take over because it's his team.

508
00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:53,120
Speaker 3: Well now it's not his team anymore because it's Luca's

509
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:55,840
Speaker 3: and now it's the Austin Reeves factor that's moving in.

510
00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:58,960
Speaker 3: So what dawned to me last night Montian watching it

511
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:03,320
Speaker 3: is that Lebron probably should take another month off in January, right,

512
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:10,560
Speaker 3: and then acclimate himself because this is how Lebron, because

513
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,359
Speaker 3: Lebron takes up a lot of air in the room, absolutely,

514
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 3: and he always has for the NBA. I said, I

515
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:17,560
Speaker 3: said it a year and a half ago that I

516
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:20,159
Speaker 3: thought he should retire because I feel he's stunting the

517
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:23,480
Speaker 3: growth of others because we're still worried about Lebron. Well,

518
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:25,520
Speaker 3: now there's something that's kind of natural happened with the

519
00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 3: Lakers where you actually have a player and there are

520
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:31,880
Speaker 3: very very few players that would be able to eclipse

521
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:35,159
Speaker 3: Lebron's stardom. Not overall, Lebron's always going to be a

522
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:38,480
Speaker 3: bigger star, but currently as they are playing right now,

523
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:42,240
Speaker 3: Luca is a bigger deal than Lebron is because of

524
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Speaker 3: where Luca is in his career and where Lebron is

525
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,439
Speaker 3: in year twenty three, So it's better for Lebron to

526
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:49,760
Speaker 3: come in and try to save the day or add

527
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:53,520
Speaker 3: that added element that the Lakers don't need, or the

528
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:55,919
Speaker 3: Lakers may need down the stretch run that they wouldn't

529
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 3: have if he is out and become almost the savior

530
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 3: because he's not going to be the King. He needs

531
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 3: to come in and help ease a Lakers team that's

532
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 3: sitting there fourth in the West right now, and whether

533
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,240
Speaker 3: they can beat Oklahoma City or not. I think for

534
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:13,840
Speaker 3: Lebron in his way, play a couple of months, play

535
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:17,160
Speaker 3: through Christmas, take another six weeks off, come back after

536
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:19,359
Speaker 3: the All Star break, come in, try to save the

537
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:21,440
Speaker 3: day for the Lakers, and then be there and be

538
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,639
Speaker 3: that piece in the stretch run, which I think helps

539
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:26,359
Speaker 3: his ego because he looks like he's the guy that

540
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 3: saves the team and also allows Luca and Austin Reeves

541
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Speaker 3: and the others to play together as a team.

542
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Speaker 5: I mean, you're not wrong.

543
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,600
Speaker 4: I think Lebron is waiting for the playoffs to come

544
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 4: and he's gonna let Luca and Austin and DeAndre Ayton

545
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,960
Speaker 4: handle the scoring and then He's waiting for the final

546
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:43,640
Speaker 4: two minutes in the fourth quarter of a close game

547
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 4: where he goes down and blocks a shot, and that's

548
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 4: his moment, right, Like, I just have a hard time

549
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 4: believing that he can actually relinquish.

550
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:56,360
Speaker 5: I think he can defense like that.

551
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:58,399
Speaker 4: I know, I know he like for an entire season,

552
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 4: a game here and there, sure, but when it matters,

553
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 4: I don't see that.

554
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,119
Speaker 3: There is no better manipulator in the game than Lebron

555
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 3: James exactly, and I mean with everything, absolutely everything, even

556
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 3: within the game, like he is able to control it.

557
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 3: And that's where I think his advantage is if he

558
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:19,679
Speaker 3: can manipulate the situation to make it look like.

559
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:21,680
Speaker 4: Like he's the hero when in reality you had five

560
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 4: percent of the success here, like you were responsible for

561
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 4: one percent of it.

562
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, gives that extra booth correct boost. Maybe they

563
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,359
Speaker 3: go on an eight and two run when he returns.

564
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 3: Like your point about the schedule may have been convenient,

565
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:35,120
Speaker 3: may have been because there's a game tonight and they've

566
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,440
Speaker 3: got three days off until they play the Jazz again.

567
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:41,000
Speaker 3: Maybe all that fits. The timeline was exact. By the way,

568
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 3: the timeline was three to four weeks the NBA season

569
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Speaker 3: opened on I believe the twenty first of the twenty second,

570
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 3: and so we're sitting here about a month out, so

571
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:54,200
Speaker 3: it was three to four weeks that timetable was on point,

572
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Speaker 3: which tells me.

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Speaker 5: They knew they had a set plan. Yes, this wasn't

574
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Speaker 5: Let's wait and see how he reacts.

575
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 3: To treat this.

576
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 5: They were like, he's actually pretty good, but we're going

577
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:04,160
Speaker 5: to keep him out.

578
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 4: And you're probably onto something now if they do this

579
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:08,119
Speaker 4: again in January, we're going to go buy a lot

580
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 4: of tickets.

581
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 5: Because you've been on it. If it's true that in

582
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:11,920
Speaker 5: January we hear it again.

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Speaker 3: I've actually felt the same thing about Russell Wilson. Like

584
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 3: Russell Wilson is the problem was, and now that the

585
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,119
Speaker 3: train may have left the station, but the problem was

586
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 3: he always wanted to be the starter. Yeah, but last

587
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,399
Speaker 3: year in Pittsburgh, like Justin Fields was the starter early on,

588
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,959
Speaker 3: and then Russ took over. Justin Field's played pretty well

589
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,920
Speaker 3: and the Steelers were winning games when Russ started early on.

590
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 3: When taking over then mid season, the Steelers were pretty good.

591
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 3: We're saying, see yow. Now, it didn't last. It didn't last.

592
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 3: But there was a point where We're like, Okay, Yeah,

593
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 3: Russell Wilson is the better option, a better thrower than

594
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:47,360
Speaker 3: justin Fields. And I think that would help with Lebron

595
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 3: and the Lakers. And maybe there's a point where Luca's

596
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,200
Speaker 3: gonna need a rest, maybe in February at some point,

597
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 3: so then Lebron comes in. That's how I would navigate

598
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 3: this if I'm the Lakers. But you have to do

599
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 3: it to make sure that you don't hurt Lebron's feelings

600
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 3: if he going to be a member of the Lakers

601
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:02,680
Speaker 3: for this entire season.

602
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 5: I worry about grown man. Ask his feelings.

603
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 3: You also have to see if you need him to

604
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 3: possibly trade him. To be quite honest, there's no way.

605
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:17,200
Speaker 5: There's no way he would accept a trade to the Knicks.

606
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,360
Speaker 3: I think that there could be a possibility. I don't

607
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 3: think that it's I don't think it's on the horizon.

608
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,679
Speaker 3: I don't think that he will be traded. However, it

609
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 3: also would allow them to do their due diligence and

610
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 3: seeing how does this work out, at least in this stage,

611
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 3: But it would be it would be you can manipulate

612
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,200
Speaker 3: that and Lebron see them, have them play through, have

613
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 3: them play for the next month through the Christmas Day

614
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 3: game and then go from there and see where you are.

615
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 4: If Lebron goes to another team, it would take such

616
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 4: a hit I think to his legacy. Can you imagine

617
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 4: bo our producer at bo Benson, who is a Laker fan,

618
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 4: If he got traded and then the Lakers go on

619
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 4: to win without him or just get far without him.

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Speaker 7: That'd be pretty fun. I just wanted to say, wait,

621
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 7: you said that there's no way Lebron can get traded.

622
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 7: I don't think.

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Speaker 5: I don't think he would allow it.

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00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 10: I just don't think in a world where Luka Doncic

625
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 10: is a Laker you can say that no one can

626
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 10: get traded.

627
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 4: In listen fair Obviously you're so right about that Nicol

628
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 4: Harrison's fault.

629
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 5: But I just don't see Lebron saying yes. And doesn't

630
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 5: he have to say yes.

631
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 3: Well yeah, but I think that he would be the

632
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 3: one that would want the trade, like he would say

633
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 3: like it.

634
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 4: Would it would take a hit to his legacy if

635
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 4: you went to another team.

636
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 3: If he went to New York and led them to

637
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 3: the NBA Finals, or was a part of the team

638
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 3: that went to the NBA Finals and right now you

639
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 3: have the Pistons, Calves and Raptors ahead of the the

640
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 3: the Knicks and the standings, so like there would be

641
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 3: an opportunity for him to and maybe the Pistons will

642
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 3: be the OKC of last season and run through the

643
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 3: East and be the team that you can't beat. But

644
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 3: if Lebron is traded, it's because he also wants to

645
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 3: be traded, and so that's why I think that you

646
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 3: could see that option. But so far, so good, at

647
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 3: least one game in because Lebron accepted the role and

648
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 3: accepted his minutes the way that it was. Yeah, yeah,

649
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 3: everybody seemed to put on their best It was on

650
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 3: their best behavior last night. Even Bronni hit a late

651
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 3: three and people were going crazy. But that's what happens

652
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 3: when the Utah Jazz come to town. It's the same

653
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 3: thing that happens when Isaac Lohenkron comes to town. People

654
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 3: are happy, they're laughing, they're smiling, having a good time

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Speaker 3: in Isaac's here with the latest. What's going on?

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Speaker 10: Isaac, I am jazzed up after you all describe me

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Speaker 10: that way. Yeah, it was as they were also the

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Speaker 10: opponent in Kobe's sixty point farewell games, so they are

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Speaker 10: they are America's guests. Apparently, the Cleveland Browns today named

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Speaker 10: rookie Shadoor Sanders. They're starting quarterback for Sunday's game at

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Speaker 10: Las Vegas. In a related story, as many of you know,

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Speaker 10: sanders home was broken into during the last Sunday's game

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Speaker 10: against the Ravens. Approximately two hundred thousand dollars worth of

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Speaker 10: property was stolen, but Sanders said the good news was

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Speaker 10: it was his jewelry.

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Speaker 6: I noticed a trending topic that my house got broken into.

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Speaker 6: But I'm in a mental space now to where you know,

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Speaker 6: it's not too much that could pase me. And none

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Speaker 6: of my jury got took anyway.

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Speaker 2: So by the way, none of my jury got took me.

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Speaker 6: You know, it's just caught slipping. You know, it happens.

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Speaker 7: It happens two hundred thousand dollars.

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Speaker 10: And by the way, I was keeping track fifteen seconds

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Speaker 10: that length of comment six eyes.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to pile on. I don't want to

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Speaker 3: pile on. I just it kind of is what it is.

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Speaker 10: One other note, by the way, there's more security camera

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Speaker 10: footage of the robbery was obtained and shared on social

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Speaker 10: media by all people. Former NFL defensive back Adam Pacman

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Speaker 10: Jones pac Man Jones the Colombo for the New Millennium

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Speaker 10: apparently anyway. New York Jets head coach Aaron Glenn announced

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Speaker 10: that to Rod Taylor will start a quarterback Sunday against

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Speaker 10: the Baltimore Ravens. The Atlanta Falcons confirmed quarterback Michael Pennix

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Speaker 10: Junior will need season ending surgery for a partially torn

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Speaker 10: left acl. Falcons also ruled out receiver Drake London for

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Speaker 10: Sunday's game against the Saints due to a knee injury,

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Speaker 10: and NFL media reports at Los Angeles Rams safety Quentin

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Speaker 10: Lake had elbow surgery yesterday but could return before the playoffs.

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Speaker 10: Dan and Monse back to you.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much. Isaac. Isaac is going to be

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Speaker 3: with us in just a few minutes to play a

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Speaker 3: game as we always do here on the Doug Gottlieb Show.

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Speaker 3: Hit her up at Monzy Blondows. You can find me

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Speaker 3: at Dan Byer on Fox. You can find Isaac at

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Speaker 3: Isaac Lowencron. Coming up next, we will play our game

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Speaker 3: plus top of the hour. Its middle of the week,

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Speaker 3: so it's the midway and we have our sights set

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Speaker 3: on NBA, NFL, Major League Baseball, PGA Tour, NHL Fashion

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Speaker 3: in Sports. That's at the top of the hour. It's

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Speaker 3: all coming up here on The Doug Gottlieb Show on

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Speaker 3: Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug

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Speaker 2: Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific.

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Speaker 4: All right, I need this for whenever someone calls me.

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Speaker 4: This is gonna be my ring tone. Nobody calls me,

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Speaker 4: so that's why I can use it. I'll only hear

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Speaker 4: it like once a day.

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Speaker 3: She is Bonti Bolanos. I'm Dan byer in for Doug Gottlieb.

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Speaker 3: I was gonna try to add a verse to that.

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Speaker 3: You know, Lebron The name of that song I assume

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Speaker 3: is Lebron. Oh man, I really wanted to. I really

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Speaker 3: wanted to add another lyric. Maybe after we play a

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Speaker 3: game with Isaac Loncron. How about that.

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Speaker 2: This is game time on The Doug Gottlieb Show.

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Speaker 3: Hello Isaac, how are you.

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Speaker 10: Just youtubeing that Lebron song? Maybe we can all cover

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Speaker 10: it later. As our listeners all shout no, no, well, yes,

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Speaker 10: we do have a game for you.

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Speaker 2: Witches for Better or worse.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 10: We'll start off with you guys discussing a pair of

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Speaker 10: NFL teams that are five and five, and the reason

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Speaker 10: is one team is the Kansas City Chiefs and the

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Speaker 10: other team is the Baltimore Ravens. Ravens or Chiefs better

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Speaker 10: or worse?

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Speaker 3: MANSA you want to take this one, you go, Okay,

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Speaker 3: The Chiefs are better than the Ravens. And the reason

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Speaker 3: I know that is because the Chiefs beat the Ravens

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Speaker 3: earlier this season. Just keep it simple, stupid, That's what

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Speaker 3: I am going to do. I'm going to say that

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Speaker 3: the Chiefs are better because of their Week four win. Now,

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Speaker 3: that was the game that Lamar Jackson suffered as hamstring string. However,

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Speaker 3: I don't think it would have mattered against the Ravens

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Speaker 3: team that despite Lamar coming back and having the pieces

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Speaker 3: that they have. I believe that there's something that's just

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Speaker 3: off about the Ravens. And it's not only that their

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Speaker 3: defense isn't what it used to be or what it

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Speaker 3: previously was. I don't know if it's LaVar doesn't have

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Speaker 3: maybe the explosiveness because of the hamstring injury. Maybe Derreck

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Speaker 3: Henry isn't the same Dereck Henry. But I trust the

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Speaker 3: Chiefs more, and I'll use the Week four result in

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Speaker 3: saying that they're better than the Ravens.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I was gonna say. I think I just trust

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Speaker 5: the Chiefs more. And it seems like the Ravens defense.

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Speaker 4: May be looking a little bit better right than we

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Speaker 4: saw at the start of the season.

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Speaker 5: But I'm not convinced yet, so I'm gonna trust the Chiefs.

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Speaker 3: I think there's also this conversation about this the Ravens

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Speaker 3: in trying to catch the Steelers, that it would be

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Speaker 3: quite the comeback, but it also would be the fall

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Speaker 3: of Pittsburgh. I don't know how many people really truly

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Speaker 3: thought that Baltimore, who was a trendy preseason super Bowl pick,

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Speaker 3: actually was a super Bowl contender. But if you've actually

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Speaker 3: watched them, despite now them winning football games, I just

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Speaker 3: don't think that they're the same Ravens as old.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, they don't pass the eye test.

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Speaker 10: Let's narrow it down to the NFC West Rams, cruising

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Speaker 10: in first place, but just behind them better or worse.

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Speaker 10: Dan's beloved Seattle Seahawks or the San Francisco forty nine ers.

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Speaker 5: Oh all right, all right, let me take this one.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I'm gonna say that right now, the forty nine

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Speaker 4: ers are slightly better. Seattle turns the ball over too

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Speaker 4: much for me, and it doesn't even you they I

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Speaker 4: don't know what it is, and they can obviously fix that.

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Speaker 4: But now with brock Party coming back, you actually saw

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Speaker 4: the forty nine ers and what they can do with

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Speaker 4: brock Party throwing the ball instead of Mac Jones, who

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Speaker 4: did a fine job. But this as good as Seattle is,

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Speaker 4: those turnovers are like ugh, and they're ugly.

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Speaker 5: They're ugly. So I'm gonna give an edge right now

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Speaker 5: to the forty nine ers, But in a few weeks

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Speaker 5: I could see it flipping. But right now the forty nine.

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Speaker 3: Ers, I feel like Isaac back into a corner on

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Speaker 3: this my previous reasoning of the Chiefs beating the Ravens

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Speaker 3: because the Niners beat the Seahawks in Seattle in Week one.

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Speaker 3: I really do think that the Seahawks are a better team,

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Speaker 3: and if they were to play the Niners in Week twelve,

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Speaker 3: Seattle would win even by leading to the NFL in

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Speaker 3: turnovers like they have. But they don't play again until

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Speaker 3: Week eighteen.

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Speaker 5: At that point, who knows who's gonna play.

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Speaker 3: And I don't even think the forty nine ers are

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Speaker 3: that good. But because I was backed into a corner,

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Speaker 3: I guess I got to stick to my guns.

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Speaker 5: With logic, right, keep it simple, keep it simple.

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Speaker 3: I got to stick to the result that we saw.

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Speaker 3: And I know that the Miami Hurricane fans are probably saying,

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Speaker 3: good job, Dan. There you go, head to head matters,

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Speaker 3: head to head matters.

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Speaker 10: All right, let's turn to some individual NFL players, getting

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Speaker 10: back to a topic from earlier in the program. I'm

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Speaker 10: going to ask you to zoom out, when it's all

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Speaker 10: said and done, who has the better or least worst

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Speaker 10: NFL career Shador Sanders or Dylan Gabriel.

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Speaker 5: Who we're just taking a big guess here.

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Speaker 7: So either for better or worse, or for worse or

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Speaker 7: least worse.

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Speaker 2: I guess.

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Speaker 3: I think Gabriel's is going to be worse. He's always

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Speaker 3: going to have the third round pick label to him

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Speaker 3: when he probably shouldn't have been a third round pick,

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Speaker 3: and I think that's part of the problem as well.

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Speaker 3: So I will say Gabriel will have a worse career

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Speaker 3: than Shoud or.

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Speaker 5: I think that's the safe answer. Gabriel. He went to Oregon,

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Speaker 5: he played.

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Speaker 3: She played everywhere, he played, He played everywhere, but his

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Speaker 3: last season.

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Speaker 7: Everybody played everywhere in college.

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Speaker 4: Everyone now plays everywhere, But I just don't remember.

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Speaker 5: I think the ceiling is higher for Shadur. So that's

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Speaker 5: why I'm with you. I think Dylan Gabriel, when it's

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Speaker 5: all been said and done, will have the work, the

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Speaker 5: worse career, Worseir What am I trying to hear?

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Speaker 2: This is?

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Speaker 3: And this is the other like tricky portion of it,

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Speaker 3: like trying to not trying to make Dylan Gabriel the victim,

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Speaker 3: because I don't think that he has gotten a lot

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Speaker 3: of a lot of grace is the word of the

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Speaker 3: day here on Fox Sports Radio. However, the Browns probably

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Speaker 3: put him in a bad spot by drafting him in

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Speaker 3: the third round. I miss about a third round pick,

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Speaker 3: let alone, now having Schador looking over his shoulder.

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Speaker 10: All right, our final item, We're going to go to

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Speaker 10: the always entertaining college football coaching carousel, and this one

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Speaker 10: is between a guy who just got a new head

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Speaker 10: coaching job and a guy who is being discussed about

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Speaker 10: a potential head coaching job.

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Speaker 7: Does he go? Does he stay?

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Speaker 10: I'm sure private planes are getting tracked as we speak.

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Speaker 10: So our final item on this edition of four better

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Speaker 10: or Worse for better or worse Lane Kiffin or James Franklin.

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Speaker 3: I don't know how you could have a conversation there's

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Speaker 3: because I would I would bet that James Franklin's career

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Speaker 3: record is significantly better than Lane Kiffin. Probably, I would

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Speaker 3: just guess. However, I don't know anybody that would rather

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Speaker 3: have James Franklin as their head coach as opposed to

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Speaker 3: Lane Kiffin right now. And I don't even know if

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Speaker 3: that's the right answer, that that James Franklin again may

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Speaker 3: have a better record, and if we can.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I'll tell you right now. We got James Franklin

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Speaker 10: at Vanderbilt and Penn State career record of one, twenty

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Speaker 10: eight and sixty and Lennay in college football not in

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Speaker 10: the NFL one sixteen and fifty three.

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Speaker 7: So we got Lane close. We got Lane.

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Speaker 10: We got Lane at a six eighty six winning percentage. Franklin,

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Speaker 10: it's six't eighty one. They are very close.

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Speaker 3: Wow, huh? And you know what Alane Kiffin then, is

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Speaker 3: the answer?

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Speaker 2: Late?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: I think Lane Kifvin is the answer. But why I

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Speaker 5: agree with you. Why is he the answer?

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Speaker 4: Because is it because James Franklin just cannot win the

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Speaker 4: big games?

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Speaker 5: And that's just been in his reputation.

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Speaker 3: Lane Kiffin's media savvy. Yes, I think that's a part

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Speaker 3: of it as well, right, Yes, link KIFVIFN knows how

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Speaker 3: to play the game, and yeah, I think that's a

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Speaker 3: part of it.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, And that is our game for today.

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Speaker 2: This is game time on the Gottlieb Show.

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Speaker 3: We will have a Lane Giffen discussion later on Again,

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Speaker 3: Monty and I are with you for the next three

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Speaker 3: plus hours on Fox Sports Radio. Hit her up at

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Speaker 3: Manzy Bolanos. You can find me at dan Byer on Fox.

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Speaker 3: There's nothing worse than wearing dress shoes, Yes, but you

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Speaker 3: have to do it. That's next.