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Speaker 1: Hi everyone, I'm Rachel Zoe and you're listening to Climbing

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Speaker 1: in Heels for your weekly dose of glamor, inspiration and

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Speaker 1: of course fun. Today is a monumental day in Climbing

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Speaker 1: in Heels history. We have our first male guest on

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Speaker 1: the show, which I normally don't allow, but he happens

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Speaker 1: to be the King of heels and my best friend

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Speaker 1: for over twenty years.

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Speaker 2: The King, the Prince Brian Atwood.

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Speaker 1: He is truly one of the most talented footwear designers

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Speaker 1: in the fashion industry, and he's sharing his story with us,

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Speaker 1: from ft and modeling to working with the icon and

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Speaker 1: legend Gianni Versace himself. Brian's positivity is truly infectious and

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Speaker 1: I cannot wait for you to hear more of his

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Speaker 1: incredible journey.

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Speaker 2: So Brian is my favorite, Leo.

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Speaker 1: I also want to say that Brian is the first

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Speaker 1: male to ever appear on Climbing in Heels.

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Speaker 3: Okay, true, I didn't know that.

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Speaker 1: Yes, you are the first, not the last, the first.

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Speaker 2: One we have let into this studio on the spot, okay.

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Speaker 1: And I thought about it well because I thought it

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Speaker 1: would be great to talk about the man who has

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Speaker 1: designed heels for women that I have climbed in for

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Speaker 1: the last twenty years. And you know, because obviously when

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Speaker 1: I say climbing in heels, it's very tongue in cheek,

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Speaker 1: but all the women that I've had on here, I

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Speaker 1: really like to talk about the journeys of how we

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Speaker 1: get to be who we are, right because that's a

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Speaker 1: question I've been asked throughout my career is how did

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Speaker 1: you become Rachel Zoe? And my answer is always like,

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Speaker 1: no idea, There was not a plan. There was definitely

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Speaker 1: not a plan.

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Speaker 2: I just worked really fucking art and here we are.

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Speaker 1: So I want to talk a little bit about your

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Speaker 1: story because it is a really good one. And you

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Speaker 1: came up in a time where it's like the height

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Speaker 1: of fashion, literally the height of fashion. So you did

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Speaker 1: go to college. I want to start there. You grew

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Speaker 4: Grew up in a southwest suburb of Chicago's Joliet, Illinois.

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Speaker 4: Went to an all boy high school, so I didn't

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Speaker 4: really study fashion barely.

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Speaker 3: You know, I knew I loved art, so.

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Speaker 4: That there was an art class, I was so excited

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Speaker 4: of course, you know, of course, always knew in my

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Speaker 3: I was always so, like.

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Speaker 1: You knew, coming up as a boy in suburb of Chicago,

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Speaker 1: like fashion was clear to you.

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Speaker 3: For sure, it was clear because because I was such

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Speaker 4: Think my mother had a lot to do with it,

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Speaker 4: because you know, we hear that so and so is

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Speaker 4: your muse. I really believe that she was my muse.

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Speaker 4: And I saw how she dressed. I loved her style.

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Speaker 4: I would always watch the whole process that fascinated me

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Speaker 3: Shoe was almost just to compliment the dress.

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Speaker 4: It wasn't something like art, you know art, and we

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Speaker 3: But yeah, that was my.

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Speaker 1: First I remember being with you in one of my

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Speaker 2: You're like, I love this part. You're like, I love

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Speaker 1: I'm like, good, because I'm about to be transformed. I

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Speaker 4: And I think everyone wants to pretend at some point,

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Speaker 2: And so then you went to f I t right,

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Speaker 4: First, because you know, I knew at such a young

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Speaker 4: So they both went to like SI Southern Illinois University.

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Speaker 4: So they said, why don't you go there like a

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Speaker 2: Right like yet your bachelor, Like let's.

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Speaker 4: Say a normal school, like to see what else you

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Speaker 3: So I said, okay, cool, we'll do that for two years.

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Speaker 3: I want to go to New York. I know that.

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Speaker 4: And even down in the college there were some kind

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Speaker 4: it wasn't a fashion No, it was not a fashion school.

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Speaker 4: So so I think and that was good and that

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Speaker 4: And you know, I just knew I wanted to start

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Speaker 3: So moved to New York whens F. I t literally

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Speaker 2: Were you ever like the poor fashion student? Are you always?

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Speaker 1: Like this, like this scene in the David Beckham documentary

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that was hilarious And no it was not I was.

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Speaker 2: I wasn't like you were starving.

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Speaker 3: No. I had a.

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Speaker 4: Great New York experience, you know, just everything New York

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Speaker 1: Nos like it honestly. But then, okay, so how does

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Speaker 3: If it does.

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Speaker 4: So an agent saw me out, whether I was at

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Speaker 4: Exactly, and I'm like, oh, I can do this, I

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Speaker 4: So I said, okay, so let's do this, and I

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Speaker 4: So I remember, you know, I was in Milan, and

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Speaker 3: The world, and you know, yeah, yeah, kind of has

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Speaker 1: It's hard, I think as a parent, because you want

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Speaker 4: Like yeah, And then you know, and you're like, as

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Speaker 4: So you know, I handrod out my resume. I hand

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Speaker 4: That always meant something to me. And you know, I

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Speaker 3: It was three hundred dollars that Neman Marcus.

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Speaker 4: Versace and this has started like the dream. And I

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Speaker 4: And then I didn't really get into shoes, even though

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Speaker 3: But it wasn't until Johnny.

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Speaker 2: Therapist would have a party with that for sure.

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Speaker 4: Yes, it wasn't until Johnny asked me to create shoes

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Speaker 3: You just deal with it, and you if.

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Speaker 4: Know, make yourself indispensable if if that's possible, as much

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Speaker 3: You went more, You did more, always more.

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Speaker 2: Always more. And you know something I want you to share.

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Speaker 1: I think that I think is important for entrepreneurs that

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Speaker 1: Bring your energy and like your love and your positivity

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Speaker 1: And you always go out it like it's going to

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I think that it definitely came from

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Speaker 4: working out, and you're like why why, I think it's

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Speaker 4: very important to step away and take a minute, take

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Speaker 4: as long as you need, but definite it helps tremendously

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Speaker 4: and then it always changes your outlook on it.

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Speaker 1: It is in neat to you. I feel like, because

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Speaker 1: you've had this since I met you. But I also

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Speaker 1: feel like, you know, I think we've all been through

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Speaker 1: our shit, right, We've all been on our downs in

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Speaker 1: our and our ups, and I feel like you always

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Speaker 1: come up smiling. Does it become like a conscious effort

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Speaker 1: that you make to do that, like, do you if

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Speaker 1: you find yourself going I can go dark here, but

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to because I think that's important for

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Speaker 1: entrepreneurs honestly, right.

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Speaker 4: And I know when you can easily do that and

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Speaker 4: focus on the crap of a situation and turn it

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Speaker 4: into you know, a lot more, it's like, all right,

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Speaker 4: do I want to focus on that and feel like

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Speaker 4: that It's just it's kind of a choice sometimes.

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Speaker 3: Of course, and you know, not easy. But I think

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Speaker 3: I think.

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Speaker 4: I've noticed it enough so that I can stop it,

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Speaker 4: change it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I can change it.

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Speaker 4: And I think that if you can notice it, you

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Speaker 4: you definitely get you know, how to change it then, because.

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Speaker 1: I would I would like to share that with everyone,

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Speaker 1: and I'd like to take that from you, because every

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Speaker 1: time I'm with you, I'm reminded that you could turn

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Speaker 1: this into a happy moment. You don't have to be

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Speaker 1: so intense about something, you know, And I think, like

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Speaker 1: that's something I'm working on this year.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: It's sort of like find the light, right.

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Speaker 1: I know that sounds so corny, but I think it's

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Speaker 1: really important, and I think it's really important in business

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Speaker 1: and it's really important in life.

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Speaker 4: And it's completely true. They don't just make this stuff

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Speaker 4: up from you know. This isn't something that.

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Speaker 2: Like cliche exists for a reason.

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Speaker 4: Actually, right, they do exist, and it is inside you.

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Speaker 4: You can you know, be your own you can be

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Speaker 4: your own magic, create you know, it's all in tility.

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Speaker 4: You just have to get gets muted down it. It

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Speaker 4: gets clouded a lot, so we kind of ignore it.

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Speaker 4: We forget that the ability is inside of us. Just

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Speaker 4: have to listen to it and know one time is

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Speaker 4: to step away for a second.

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Speaker 1: So what is next for mister Brian out with Prince Brian, Like,

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Speaker 1: what are you most excited about right now in your life?

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Speaker 2: And go forward? Besides living in Halston's former house.

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Speaker 1: In Higher Island, which is so we love that in

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Speaker 1: New York City of course, just.

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Speaker 4: Really focusing on, you know, relaunching the brand and all

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Speaker 4: of this, you know, making beautiful shoes.

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Speaker 3: I think.

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Speaker 4: There are different different things that I'd like to do

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Speaker 4: as far as you know, fashion has changed, you know,

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Speaker 4: fashion has changed so quickly and exciting as well. But

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Speaker 4: just need to really focus on what I love doing,

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Speaker 4: and that's creating beauty and.

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Speaker 3: That I will continue doing.

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Speaker 2: And we need your magic. We need your magic for

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Speaker 2: as many people as possible.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely put them back on a pedestal.

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Speaker 2: And we all have to climb in Brian outwood heels forever.

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Speaker 2: So by the way I.

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Speaker 1: Do as illustrated on my Fire Island excursion, I know

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Speaker 1: I kept those babies on. I love you so much

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Speaker 1: We're going to do quick rapid fire before I let

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Speaker 1: you go.

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Speaker 3: You ready? Oh my god?

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Speaker 2: Okay? Coffee or tea coffee? Who's your hero?

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Speaker 3: My mother?

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Speaker 1: Make me weep right now? I already know this answer.

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Speaker 1: Southern Italy or Southern France Italy. And you're going to

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Speaker 1: say that favorite dessert.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I love it all. I mean termasu is

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Speaker 3: like right up there.

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Speaker 1: Okay. I also know this platforms or knee high boots.

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Speaker 3: Oh, platforms for sure.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what's your biggest pet peeve?

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Speaker 4: But I do it also procrastination, So I mean that

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Speaker 4: is and like being late, but but.

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Speaker 2: You're both of those.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I.

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Speaker 1: Mean, okay, okay, what advice would you give your twenty

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Speaker 1: year old self?

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Speaker 3: What would I give my twenty year old self?

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Speaker 4: I think really just continue to never compromise your integrity,

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Speaker 4: never compromise what you believe in. And I think that's

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Speaker 4: also what Johnny told me to, and that's part of

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Speaker 4: the whole school of being in the versace. You know, Todd,

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Speaker 4: the realm is he always said you're here to learn,

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Speaker 4: never compromise. I learned it from him because people loved

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Speaker 4: and hated his stuff, so it was.

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Speaker 3: True, you know.

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Speaker 2: But he kept doing exactly that.

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Speaker 3: And he didn't care. He kept doing it.

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Speaker 4: And I think that war designer or someone who is

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Speaker 4: in the creative field is something very important because you

543
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Speaker 4: can always be persuaded or tend to be like, oh well,

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Speaker 4: it's not fitting into this box. Sure, but if you

545
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Speaker 4: fit into that box, you're competing with everyone who's already

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Speaker 4: in that box. Do something different that is very you

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Speaker 4: and have a voice, have you know, say what you

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Speaker 4: want to stick to.

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Speaker 3: It always always, and it is hard.

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Speaker 4: It is hard, and it takes a lot of guts

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Speaker 4: because you might not People might not appreciate it instantly,

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Speaker 4: but I think they always come around to it. Yeah

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Speaker 4: they do, Okay, sided Sorry, that's.

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Speaker 2: Perfect Martini or Margarita.

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Speaker 3: Margarita, you could be on the Newlyweds.

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Speaker 1: By the way, might out what's another career you would

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Speaker 1: want to try us too?

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Speaker 4: Architect or rock star. I don't know which one comes first,

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Speaker 4: but I think.

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Speaker 2: I couldn't be more different, by the way.

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Speaker 3: I know.

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Speaker 4: I always think I'm a good singer, but probably not,

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Speaker 4: probably architect first. I also wanted to be a plastic

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Speaker 4: surgeon because I love creating beauty, so I thought i'd

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Speaker 4: be really good with the face, so all right, sorry, Okay,

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Speaker 4: I love that.

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Speaker 2: Okay, ask permission or ask forgiveness.

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Speaker 3: Forgiveness probably.

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Speaker 1: Rule still apply to Prince Brian. Okay, who is your

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Speaker 1: Hollywood crush?

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Speaker 4: Oh my Hollywood crush. Let's see who's your free past

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Speaker 4: with Jake Henry Cavill? Probably okay.

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Speaker 2: And what about a woman.

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Speaker 3: I mean, Angelina stunning or past icon?

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Speaker 4: I think probably Marilyn still fascinates me for some yeah,

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Speaker 4: I think, uh yeah.

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Speaker 3: Instagram TikTok Instagram.

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00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 2: Okay, I love.

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Speaker 4: You, Oh my god, I love you. You're my icon, baby,

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00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 4: you are my icon. Baby, you are right there.

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Speaker 2: You are my icon, and I love you so much.

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Speaker 2: I love that I got to do with you this year.

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Speaker 3: Me too. It was so fun.

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Speaker 2: Love having you. I love that you're the first honorary

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Speaker 2: guy to ever be on Climbing and Heels.

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Speaker 3: It's only appropriate.

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00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 2: It's only appropriate, it really is. I love you.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much to my friend Brian for being

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Speaker 1: the first male guest on Climbing and Heels. Tell me

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Speaker 1: if you want more, because I think I have to

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Speaker 1: add more boys to this because there are so many

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Speaker 1: men in my life that I love and respect and

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Speaker 1: would be so incredibly inspirational.

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Speaker 2: For all of our listeners.

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Speaker 1: I really love Brian's advice about saying yes and figuring

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Speaker 1: it out later. I'm actually going to take his advice.

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Speaker 1: I will see you all next week on the pod.

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Speaker 3: protecting stool the public polic