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Speaker 1: Channel one thirty two. Police releasing brand new video of

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Speaker 1: the California mom found chained and beaten on the side

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Speaker 1: of the road after she says she was kidnapped. Sherry

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Speaker 1: Peppini went missing for three weeks last year. She says,

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Speaker 1: so when kidnapped her while jogging, my wife wasn't there,

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Speaker 1: which is unusual. It's a surveillance video and it shows

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Speaker 1: Sherry Peppini running unshackled through a church parking lot at

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Speaker 1: four fifteen on the morning she was found. She was

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Speaker 1: spotted just seven minutes later on the freeway with a

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Speaker 1: chain around her waist and clamps on her wrist. In

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Speaker 1: the last hours, investigators released surveillance video in the mysterious

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Speaker 1: case of a young quote super mom who vanishes for

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Speaker 1: three soul weeks. I Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. I'm talking about Sherry Peppini.

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Speaker 1: Just released, is Granny surveillance video of Sherry Peppini. At first,

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Speaker 1: she wouldn't even know it was her, but police are

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Speaker 1: telling us it is, and now I can make it

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Speaker 1: out and she is darting back and forth, back and

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Speaker 1: forth across a parking lot of a Jehovah's Witness Kingdom

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Speaker 1: of Hall. It's around four a m. In the morning,

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Speaker 1: thanks Giving Day. About fifteen minutes after this surveillance video,

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Speaker 1: she is spotted spotted running along a ramp on the interstate.

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Speaker 1: What does a surveillance mean? Take a listen to what Chips,

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Speaker 1: California Highway Patrol says upon seeing her. I think very

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Speaker 1: heavily battered south of Yellow North on the free list,

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Speaker 1: So Dave Max, syndicated talk show host. That was the

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Speaker 1: dispatch sound when Chips was called to the scene. A

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Speaker 1: motor sees Sherry Peppini running along the side of the Interstate.

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Speaker 1: She is still bound with chains. She has um bindings

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Speaker 1: on her limbs. She is battered, beaten. There is a

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Speaker 1: brand on her right shoulder um. Her hair has been

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Speaker 1: cut from waist length up to her shoulders, and she

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Speaker 1: has a broken nose. She's also lost about twenty pounds.

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Speaker 1: What do you make of the dispatch, Dave Mac, You

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Speaker 1: know she'd only been gone for twenty two days, and

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Speaker 1: as they discovered that they had found this woman, that

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Speaker 1: they had no idea where she was and what was

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Speaker 1: going on and at four o'clock in the morning, all

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Speaker 1: of a sudden, she pops up out of nowhere. All

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Speaker 1: I can think is that they knew that they had

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Speaker 1: found who they'd been looking for. They knew, all right,

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Speaker 1: And now almost a year later, more evidence is being

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Speaker 1: released by the Sheriff's department. Why let's talk about what

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Speaker 1: we see in the video again. As I was mentioning

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Speaker 1: earlier to Dr Daniel Bober, forensic psychiatrist. Dr Bober, you

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Speaker 1: see her appear in this parking lot of a Kingdom Hall.

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Speaker 1: It's a Jehovah's Witness church, and she goes one way

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Speaker 1: and then the other, then back again, and then leaves

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Speaker 1: the surveillance video scene, and then she pops up on

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Speaker 1: the interstate. Does it prove or disprove her story? Dr

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Speaker 1: Bober Andante, it almost sounds to me that in the

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Speaker 1: in the interim, she was abused and neglected and essentially

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Speaker 1: tortured and at some point got away. Now I know

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Speaker 1: from reading the story that she identifies to Latino females

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Speaker 1: as her abductors, but male DNA was found on her person.

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Speaker 1: So there's a lot that seems inconsistent here. Yeah, you know, statistically,

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Speaker 1: This is virtually impossible that two females abduct her as

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Speaker 1: she's jogging, that they keep her for three weeks. There

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Speaker 1: is no sex assault. Now, another thing we find out

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Speaker 1: about is that she was texting some guy in Michigan

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Speaker 1: just before she's taken. But that guy has been questioned

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Speaker 1: and has nothing to do with this at all. Dave mac,

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Speaker 1: I mean, come on, just because you might text an

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Speaker 1: said a thirty second text. I'm not that concerned. And

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Speaker 1: you know, Nancy, a lot is made out of this,

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Speaker 1: of the parts of the story that just seem unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned the two women. Then you've got the guy

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Speaker 1: She was tattooed, she was branded, her nose is broken,

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Speaker 1: to Tim Ballard, human trafficking expert with the operation Underground Railroad. Tim,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for being with us. Everyone is

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Speaker 1: that her story sounds far fetched. In what disturbs me

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Speaker 1: the most about her story, Tim Ballora, are two things.

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Speaker 1: One her foot. Her foot bothers me. And I'll tell

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Speaker 1: of an injury. Also, Thanksgiving Day, why would kidnappers who

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Speaker 1: in that scenario to her, So she reappeared on Thanksgiving Day.

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Speaker 1: That psychological clue is significant to me. What does it mean?

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Speaker 1: by her, and therefore I will do the same. So,

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Speaker 1: thanks so much. Yeah, there's a couple of thoughts I have,

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Speaker 1: have been trafficked from from human trafficking, which I've done

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Speaker 1: so many times, it is very difficult. They've been they've

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Speaker 1: a human trafficking angle is where this happened. This is

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Speaker 1: an the Emerald Triangle of northern California. I worked, I've

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Speaker 1: it's a high drug smuggling area, cultivation area for cannabis,

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Speaker 1: hand in hand. I mean, when you have a group

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Speaker 1: in everything that you just said. If that were true

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Speaker 1: in this scenario, Tim Ballard, then why would they have

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Speaker 1: want to go to Dr Daniel Bober, forensic psychiatrists joining

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Speaker 1: was only a matter of hours, and then she's pretty

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Speaker 1: much been in hiding, sequestered, you know, set away. You

427
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:35,120
Speaker 1: know I'm hearing everything you're saying. But uh, Tim Ballard,

428
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 1: human trafficking expert with Operation Underground Railroad, I don't like

429
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:41,439
Speaker 1: the way that Dave mac just tossed it off that

430
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Speaker 1: she's texting a man out of state, like that's some

431
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:46,719
Speaker 1: bad thing. I don't know what she was texting. I mean,

432
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,879
Speaker 1: if you looked at my iPhone, you'd be convinced I

433
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 1: have a thing going with Alan Deeke, okay, because there's

434
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 1: like twenty texts back and forth a day and he's

435
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Speaker 1: out of state. I think he's in l A right now,

436
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 1: and it's posh ad in Los Angeles. But uh, just

437
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,879
Speaker 1: because you're texting somebody does not mean you have a

438
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:11,440
Speaker 1: thing going on. That's right, Yeah, you know, that's right.

439
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,680
Speaker 1: And what I what I do is, like you've said, Nancy, Um,

440
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 1: I try to stay with the victim and stay with

441
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 1: their story and start creating hypotheses about what might have

442
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 1: happened knowing that they're not the best reporter. And I

443
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:26,359
Speaker 1: need to go back again to my analysis. I mean,

444
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 1: I I worked in that area. I know that area

445
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,679
Speaker 1: very well. It is a high trafficking area. There's a

446
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:35,440
Speaker 1: lot of farmland out there, and and uh and that

447
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 1: we worked many cases in that area where and this

448
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:40,640
Speaker 1: is this hypothesis, but I think you should be looked at.

449
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 1: Um and it would explain why she wasn't assaulted sexually yet.

450
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:46,359
Speaker 1: But but they were trying to maybe course or or

451
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,679
Speaker 1: force her. So there's a lot of migrant workers in

452
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:52,639
Speaker 1: these farmland and we find sex slaves all the time

453
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 1: on these farmlands. The service the workers. Now, these workers

454
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,399
Speaker 1: aren't there to rape people. They want to enjoy sex

455
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Speaker 1: with people. And so we've seen cases where they'll they'll

456
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Speaker 1: take they'll kidnap women, put them on the farmland, tie

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Speaker 1: them up and get them to comply. Uh. Perhaps perhaps

458
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Speaker 1: uh this woman, the super mom, h she wouldn't comply. Uh,

459
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Speaker 1: And so they were trying to get her course or

460
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 1: tie her up, brand her and and she just it

461
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:21,920
Speaker 1: wasn't worth it anymore and they let her go, you

462
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 1: know something like that. He said, But wait a minute.

463
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 1: She doesn't. She says she doesn't know what they were

464
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Speaker 1: saying because they were speaking Spanish, so there was no

465
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Speaker 1: discussion of being taken to some kind of a farm

466
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 1: and being tied up to service migrant workers. As you

467
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 1: put it, uh, I call that rape, And I don't

468
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 1: know what you're talking about, but no, it's rape for sure.

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Speaker 1: That doesn't fit with this, That doesn't that doesn't fit

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Speaker 1: with what she's saying. What police are saying happened, well,

471
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 1: doesn't know what happened, and so mine is more information.

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Speaker 1: I would just if I was, if I was looking

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Speaker 1: at this as I have, you know, dozens of dozen

474
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Speaker 1: of times, I would start setting hype office is up

475
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 1: and trying to see if if anything fits what we

476
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 1: know about that area. Her her story doesn't seem to

477
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 1: make a whole lot of sense right now, and I

478
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 1: certainly would not say that you would have been raped.

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00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 1: But they try to will coerce these people so they

480
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 1: don't have to fight, you know, so they won't seem

481
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 1: like they're fighting. Um, it's well another issue to Dave mac.

482
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 1: I think part of it is that human trafficking that

483
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 1: Tim Ballard is talking about, and it exists and it's real,

484
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Speaker 1: and it's happening now in our country with children and

485
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Speaker 1: women every day. It seems foreign too many people. They

486
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 1: don't understand it, they don't believe it's happening. It was

487
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 1: just a concept to me until I found out how

488
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 1: real it is. Dave mac I, now, knowing what I know,

489
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 1: do not think it's inconceivable that she was taken and

490
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 1: then rejected for whatever reason. I'm I agree with you.

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00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 1: I'm very familiar with human traffic. I've worked with a

492
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Speaker 1: couple of ministries that deal with young girls who are

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00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 1: taking in and put into it. However, we know that

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Speaker 1: she was not sexually molested or abused um by her

495
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Speaker 1: own admission, by her own claims that didn't occur. We

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00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 1: know from her own story that she was held by

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Speaker 1: two women. We know they found DNA from a man

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Speaker 1: on her clothing. We also know that we've got a

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Speaker 1: history here with her. And again I am not bagging

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Speaker 1: on her. I have been behind her a percent on

501
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 1: her story. I'm merely saying that there are some things

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Speaker 1: here that just don't add up for me, and I'm

503
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Speaker 1: just questioning them. She've got a history of potential drug use,

504
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 1: we got run ins with the law. We've got mental illness,

505
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Speaker 1: we've got parents calling the law on her in her past,

506
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Speaker 1: and again now the call or the contacting a man

507
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Speaker 1: not her husband, to meet up while he's in California.

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00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 1: I'm not suspicious and of that, just pointing it out

509
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Speaker 1: that it is a fact that a couple of days

510
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Speaker 1: after that meat doesn't happen, her husband finds her phone

511
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Speaker 1: headphones with hair still attached and says that she was

512
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 1: taken by somebody. You know which I agree. I agree

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00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 1: that it's a factor. Everything is important and nothing is important.

514
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 1: What I mean by that is every single piece of evidence,

515
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Speaker 1: every clue, every sintilla of evidence is something that has

516
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 1: to be looked at and evaluated to determine if it

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Speaker 1: means anything. And yes, the timing is coincident. No, I

518
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Speaker 1: don't know about this mental illness and drugs that you're

519
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Speaker 1: talking about. I know that there have been police reports

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00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 1: and family brew hahas, but I don't know if that

521
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 1: factors into this. This is what we know. Gramy surveillance

522
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 1: video has just been released as Sherry Peppini just moments

523
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Speaker 1: before a driver noticed her running out into traffic alongside

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Speaker 1: of the road on the interstate there in California. Does

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Speaker 1: it prove or disprove her story? Let me pause and

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Speaker 1: you Lying in the dirt dead. That's what a boxer says.

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Speaker 1: He was lying in the dirt, playing dead. This guy

561
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Speaker 1: works with police to fake his own murder and staying

562
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 1: the would be killer. I Meancy Grace, this is crime Stories.

563
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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. Man, what a story.

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00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 1: Ray Sosa gathered evidence his beloved wife was offering two

565
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 1: thousand dollars. Man, that's a cheap price. Uh, you know,

566
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 1: two thousand dollars for a hit. I mean you could

567
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Speaker 1: get a payment plan and offer a little bit more

568
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 1: than that. Anyway, two thousand dollars to have him killed.

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00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 1: His beloved wife, Maria had approached you guy, but the

570
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:50,240
Speaker 1: man busted her. Now what do we know about this wife?

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Speaker 1: Joining me? An all star lineup, renowned defense attorney out

572
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 1: of the Maryland jurisdiction, Robin Ficker, no stranger to the courtroom,

573
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Speaker 1: also with me Maria Boyntont investigative reporter with V one

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Speaker 1: O three in w A O KA, and forensic psychiatrist

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Speaker 1: Dr Daniel Bober. You know, before I go to Maria

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00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 1: on the facts, just one quick question to Dr Daniel Bober,

577
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 1: who so often seems to sympathize with defendants. Um, Dr Bober,

578
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 1: why don't people just get a divorce? Why go through

579
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:24,799
Speaker 1: the hassle of arranging a hit or you know, as

580
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 1: I always say, if you want a job done, just

581
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 1: do it yourself. But you know, you just can't teach

582
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 1: people anything, so why not just get a divorce? What's

583
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 1: what's that all about? Dr Bober? Cheaper to keeper Nancy,

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00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 1: That's what they often say sometimes. Um, you know, morality

585
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 1: gets in the way of finances and it's just more

586
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 1: convenience and knock them off, right. But if you're gonna

587
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 1: hire hit man, you gotta check references. It's very important.

588
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the photos this guy had taken of

589
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 1: himself quote dead in the dirt, with a bullet wound

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00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 1: in his temple in his right temple, blood coming from

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00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 1: his nose. He looks dead to me. Oh, there is

592
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 1: a nice picture of him and his wife, Ray and

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00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 1: his wife Maria. Whoa, they look so happy there at

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00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:14,720
Speaker 1: some fancy extravaganza. She's got on the quintessential little black dress.

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00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:20,319
Speaker 1: She's beautiful, long, gorgeous, raven haired, colored locks, and he's

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00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:23,959
Speaker 1: all dressed up as well. They couldn't look happier. So

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00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,359
Speaker 1: tell me what happened to Maria Bloynton v. One O three.

598
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 1: What happened, well, Nancy. What appears to have happened is this.

599
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 1: The money got low. He was a gym owner, Nancy,

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Speaker 1: and then the money started to dwindle. It got low.

601
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 1: They were having financial issues and she asked for a divorce.

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00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 1: He had to stay in the home because the money

603
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 1: was so low. Then she went out and said, you

604
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 1: know what I want my husband killed went to this

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00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 1: guy who we know him as Gustavo and said, you

606
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,439
Speaker 1: know what, I want him gone, I want him dead.

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00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 1: Gustavo even says that Maria put the fingers to her temple,

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Speaker 1: saying I want him out of here. Of what happened then,

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00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 1: was Gustavo knew her husband? Wait? No, wait, So that's

610
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 1: how it went down. He actually knew the husband unbeknownst

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00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:12,240
Speaker 1: to the wife. How did Gustavo which is a perfect

612
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 1: name for a hit man, It sounds kind of creepy

613
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 1: in possibly Russian anyway, so feeding into all of our deepest,

614
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Speaker 1: darkest fears. So how did Gustavo know the husband? Well,

615
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 1: the husband says that years before you know, he's a

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Speaker 1: gym owner. He teaches boxing. He had mentored the guy,

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00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:37,360
Speaker 1: he had taught him boxing. So Gustavo remembered the husband

618
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:39,919
Speaker 1: and coldman said, Yo, I need to meet with you.

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Speaker 1: Somebody wants you dead. Okay, hold on, Robin Ficker, Robin Ficker, uh,

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Speaker 1: veteran defense Durney joining me from the Maryland jurisdiction. Robin,

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Speaker 1: let me tell you a funny story talking about small world.

622
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Speaker 1: I went to the dentist the other day, which I

623
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Speaker 1: do not like to go to the dentist. Okay, so

624
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Speaker 1: I'm there and they're looking back in the back of

625
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 1: my mouth, and the dentist says, so you remember I

626
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:08,280
Speaker 1: was on your jury, right, And of course I couldn't

627
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 1: speak because he has hand down my mouth. And I

628
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 1: looked at him, and suddenly it did come back to me,

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Speaker 1: Robin Ficker. This guy was on a jury of mine

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Speaker 1: that I struck right after I became a prosecutor, and

631
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Speaker 1: it was a bank robbery case, complete with a bank

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Speaker 1: robbery note, the works. And I found out midway through

633
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Speaker 1: the trial that I had a convicted bank robber on

634
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Speaker 1: the jury. Okay, so I didn't think I stood a chance,

635
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Speaker 1: a snowball's chance and h double l. So anyway, this

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Speaker 1: this dentist was on my jury. I did manage to

637
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:46,399
Speaker 1: somehow eke out a conviction. Robin Ficker, I'm sure you're

638
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 1: sad about that, but so it's not. It doesn't strike

639
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,879
Speaker 1: me as odd or coincidental at all that Gustavo knows

640
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 1: the husband. How would I know? You know, twenty years later,

641
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:02,840
Speaker 1: my jury foreman would have his hand down my mouth. Well, um,

642
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 1: I hope he didn't grill you so that it was painful.

643
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 1: But I can tell you you folks have it backwards

644
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 1: on his husband, Ray. He was in the dirt. He's

645
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:15,360
Speaker 1: a dirt ball. He reminds me of Robert de Niro,

646
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 1: of the raging bull who used to beat up his

647
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 1: wife and couldn't control his emotions outside the ring. He

648
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:25,479
Speaker 1: had been beating her for years, and she had been

649
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 1: telling everyone about it. She was one of these me

650
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:32,839
Speaker 1: too ladies. She was telling everyone his business associates. So

651
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 1: then Gstavo and Ramand conspired to set her up to

652
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:41,319
Speaker 1: entrap her. They knew she was angry at Ramand for

653
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 1: all these beatings, so then they set her up, and

654
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:48,280
Speaker 1: she made statements that she wouldn't have made to anyone

655
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 1: else because she didn't really want him killed, but she

656
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 1: wanted revenge of some kind because he had been beating

657
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 1: her for years. She was entrapped, and her defense attorney

658
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,800
Speaker 1: should have brought that defense. There's no away she should

659
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:02,839
Speaker 1: have gotten any jail time out of this at all.

660
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:07,760
Speaker 1: Maria Boynton w A, Okay, I've read exactly what Attorney

661
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:11,720
Speaker 1: Robin Ficker out of the Maryland Jurisdiction has is talking about.

662
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 1: It's she never made a complaint to police or uh,

663
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 1: there's never a police report, nothing about abuse. What where

664
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 1: it came from? What he's saying, Maria Boynton is the victim.

665
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 1: Ray Sosa said that for months before she tried to

666
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:34,359
Speaker 1: have him killed, that she was bad mouthing him, saying

667
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 1: he stole their money, that he drank, that he abused her.

668
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:45,280
Speaker 1: Nobody came forward and supported that claim, Maria, nobody, No, Nancy,

669
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 1: they didn't. And of course the evidence is that she

670
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:52,320
Speaker 1: pleaded guilty, received twenty years in prison. She's waived any

671
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 1: appeal which she pleaded guilty. She pled guilty to the

672
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:58,399
Speaker 1: offensive solicitation of murder. And you go back to Ray

673
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 1: and you see, this guy thought he had the perfect woman.

674
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 1: She gave him massages. I mean he tried wait wait

675
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 1: wait wait wait wait wait wait can we get back

676
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 1: to the massages? Wait? Now she is this? Is that?

677
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, she would give him massages and do his

678
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 1: nails and rub his body. Was scented oils to quote

679
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 1: relax him. And then as soon as the money dried up,

680
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 1: all that was off, no more pedicure. She wanted him

681
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:25,839
Speaker 1: out of there. What else do you name Maria Boynton? Well,

682
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:27,959
Speaker 1: what we know is that of course, when the money

683
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 1: started to dry up, she wanted him out of there.

684
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 1: She called Gustavo. She said, I want him dead. She

685
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 1: put her fingers to the temple, as we said, because

686
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 1: she wanted him out of there. Of course, there was

687
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 1: no way to to to to get her to say

688
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 1: beat him or something like that. Gustavo said, I asked her,

689
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:43,799
Speaker 1: do you want me to beat him up? She said, no,

690
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 1: I want him dead. He's better off dead for me.

691
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 1: And that's where we go from here. And of course

692
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 1: Gustavo called Ray said, dude, somebody wants you dead. Ray

693
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 1: thought this has to be a joke. He knew Gustavo

694
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,919
Speaker 1: from years ago. Gustavo says, you know it's your wife, man,

695
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 1: she wants you out of here. And of course what

696
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 1: they did was they devised a plan, put a microphone

697
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 1: on her. Uh, took the evidence to the police, who

698
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:09,799
Speaker 1: of course said, okay, we're gonna get involved in this.

699
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 1: They went out Doug a grave, got Ray, brought him

700
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 1: out there, laid him out there, put the bullet you know,

701
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 1: seemingly bullet holes on him, laid him in the dirt.

702
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 1: I mean, the pictures are there. He looks like a

703
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 1: corpse laying in the dirt. Nancy. They put the blood

704
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 1: coming down, the age, blood turning, all colors, and things

705
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 1: of that nature. They put it out there so it

706
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:32,240
Speaker 1: would seem real. And when when Gustavo took the evidence,

707
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 1: you know, the hit man let her know, Hey, we've

708
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 1: taken care of what you wanted. She she apparently laughed

709
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 1: it off, but it was all a joke, and the

710
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 1: joke is now on her. Wait a minute, so Dr

711
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 1: Daniel Boba, forensic psychiatrists, they show her these pictures and

712
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:49,720
Speaker 1: it looked very genuine. In fact, cops drive the husband

713
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 1: out into the desert and they placed him in a

714
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:56,759
Speaker 1: shallow grave. Then they make it look like with um

715
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 1: like dramatic theater makeup, that a bullet was shot. The

716
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 1: was right temple with blood streaming down his face. Now

717
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 1: they then hid ray in a hotel for three days. Okay,

718
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 1: and what does it mean, Dr Bober that when they

719
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 1: show her the pictures of him apparently lying dead out

720
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:21,760
Speaker 1: in the in the dirt in the desert, she starts laughing. Nancy,

721
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 1: the woman has ice crystals in her veins. Ice cold,

722
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 1: Uh that it's pretty cold blooded. It's pretty psychopathic. Uh,

723
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 1: she absolutely has no emotional connection or no remorse whatsoever.

724
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 1: So it's pretty chilling. She must have been so emotionally

725
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 1: disconnected from him that she was only interested in her

726
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 1: own needs and just felt absolutely no empathy or emotion

727
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 1: for him whatsoever. And there was the money in the

728
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:50,399
Speaker 1: green card. Maria Boynton Maria investigative reporter with V one

729
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 1: O three in w A. Okay, Maria, what about the

730
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:56,319
Speaker 1: green card? Yeah, Nancy, let me tell you. The only

731
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:58,239
Speaker 1: problem they had in their marriage was what she was

732
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 1: from Mexico originally, so she would have to go back home,

733
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 1: you know, to to get re certified so she could

734
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 1: come back over here. But marrying Mr Sosa, now he's

735
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 1: originally from Puerto Rico. He is an American citizen. Now

736
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 1: marrying him entitled her to a green card meeting she

737
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 1: could stay permanently in the US, you know. And that's,

738
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,479
Speaker 1: of course, it's where they opened this gym together. Because

739
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:19,319
Speaker 1: they were this loving couples. Remember now, she had done

740
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 1: the hot oils, rubbed his feet, rubbed his back, loved

741
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 1: him like a man wants to be loved, and then

742
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 1: she wanted him killed. What what what you mean? I've

743
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 1: got a rub hot oil on my husband and give

744
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:33,799
Speaker 1: him a pedicure. Listen, Maria, that ain't happening, okay, And

745
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 1: so all I can do to get up at five

746
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:37,399
Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning and get the children fed into

747
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 1: school and get all their homework done and work make

748
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 1: a living. Right now, Maria, do you know that I

749
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:50,720
Speaker 1: have under one roof, two dogs, two cats, two guinea pigs,

750
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 1: three children, my mother, my husband. I mean, I don't

751
00:44:56,000 --> 00:45:00,040
Speaker 1: have time to be rubbing hot oil onto anybody, forget it.

752
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:01,840
Speaker 1: So wait, I don't know how I got off on

753
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 1: hot oil. Let me get back to this. So she

754
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 1: gets the green cart and then suddenly Robin Ficker, whoop,

755
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 1: See the pedicures are over? What hot oil? What? What

756
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 1: Masson's Forget about it, buddy, Robin Fickure. You don't see

757
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 1: that as a little bit of a coincidence. I see

758
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 1: this lovely young woman being falsely accused. He had the

759
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 1: next babe lined up and wanted to get rid of her.

760
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 1: And interestingly, he won't say anything about this new babe

761
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 1: that he has. He is duplicitness and nobody has excepts you.

762
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 1: He's an abuser with what what next? Babe? Are you

763
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 1: talking about? And she let it be known. He and

764
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 1: he and his friend, his buddy co conspirator, gestabo and

765
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 1: trapped her. He admits that he has a new girlfriend

766
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 1: and he had her in his sights before we got

767
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 1: rid of the old one. That's that's pretty common these days. Well,

768
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 1: having somebody, having somebody in your sights that you've been

769
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:04,839
Speaker 1: admiring at a distance. It's not the same thing as

770
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 1: having an affair. Dr Daniel bober Um. I've got to

771
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:11,919
Speaker 1: admit I go through life with blinders on. I am

772
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 1: so not interested in another man. I've already raised this one.

773
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 1: I don't want to start over with another one. But

774
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 1: it would not hurt my feelings terribly if my husband

775
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 1: happened to turn his head and look at a good

776
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 1: looking woman. All right, I mean I do believe he

777
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 1: still has red blood pumping through his veins. I mean, okay,

778
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 1: so he's gonna look. I'm not hurt, but that does

779
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 1: not mean you're cheating. Nancy. I agree with you. I mean,

780
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 1: it seems like it seems like it seems like when

781
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:41,440
Speaker 1: the SPA membership was over, it seems like the marriage

782
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:44,319
Speaker 1: was over and she was intent on ending in her way.

783
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 1: I don't really see any evidence that, you know, he

784
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:49,879
Speaker 1: was going outside the marriage or that he was abusing her,

785
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,359
Speaker 1: but you know, certainly possible, but I just don't see

786
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:55,280
Speaker 1: anything like that. I mean, after all, Maria, Maria Boynton,

787
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 1: can you not? Jackie and I agree on one thing.

788
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 1: I mean, a man is gonna look, all right, they look,

789
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 1: They're like you know, dogs, They're gonna look. Let's just

790
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 1: be glad. That's all they do. Just because he is

791
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 1: admiring a lady does not mean he was having a

792
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:14,400
Speaker 1: romantic relationship with her. What it boils down to is

793
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 1: Robin Ficker, who is a veteran defense attorney. Now you

794
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 1: see why he wins all these cases. He's got us

795
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 1: also spun around with claims of affairs and abuse and this,

796
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:27,879
Speaker 1: and that. He's ignoring the evidence right under his nose,

797
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 1: and we actually bit on it. Maria, Uh, figure, is

798
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 1: that how you went on your cases? You come up

799
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:35,359
Speaker 1: with these crazy theories and juries believe it. I think

800
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 1: it's a winning theory. And I think that perhaps there

801
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 1: was a this new lady had more enticing things than

802
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:48,280
Speaker 1: a little oil and pedicure. She probably worked other areas,

803
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:53,280
Speaker 1: and that's how she got him under her wing. Okay, him, Maria.

804
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:56,800
Speaker 1: And what Ray does say about a new woman is

805
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 1: that he is now in a new relationship. He does

806
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 1: not say at any time that he was cheating on

807
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 1: his wife, that he was looking at other women. He

808
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 1: said that now he has been a new relationship with

809
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 1: a new woman, and we know he's hoping that thieves

810
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 1: go better than the laugh. Let's just tell this one

811
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:14,840
Speaker 1: doesn't try to kill him. Okay, he managed to escape

812
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 1: with his life and she's in the slammer after pleading guilty. Okay,

813
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:22,760
Speaker 1: caught in the nick of time. Dinner make you finally

814
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 1: get to laugh about a story because the victim, the

815
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:29,759
Speaker 1: murder victim, actually lived. Nancy Grace Crime Story signing off

816
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 1: goodbye friend,