1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: Welcoming to his verdict was Senator Ted Cruz before we 2 00:00:03,480 --> 00:00:06,480 Speaker 1: even get started. Today's show is going to have a 3 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 1: lot of big information in it. Grab a piece of paper, 4 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 1: grab a pencil, and make sure you hit that subscribe 5 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:19,279 Speaker 1: or auto download button because with all the special Prosecutor, 6 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 1: we may be doing breaking news shows. You don't want 7 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 1: to miss those. So if you hit subscribe auto download, 8 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 1: you'll know every time we do a podcast. With that 9 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 1: being said, Senator, it has been one hell of a 10 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 1: week for Democrats. They thought they were coming out of 11 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 1: this mid term election was some momentum. They were excited 12 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:42,159 Speaker 1: about gas prices coming down a little bit, They were 13 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 1: excited about the approval rating numbers coming up a little 14 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 1: bit for Joe Biden. David Gergen put it this way, 15 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 1: saying he was very excited until all the you know 16 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 1: what hit the fan with these documents now about the 17 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 1: political fallout which could be considerable and unwelcome to the 18 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 1: administration certainly coming it's film matter only mentioned with inflation cooling, 19 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 1: gas prices dropping, and the President's approval numbers growing in 20 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 1: the polls. At least before this joining US has seen 21 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 1: a senior political anials David Gurgan, White House insider for 22 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:09,959 Speaker 1: Democrats and Republicans have liked dating back to the Knicks 23 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 1: and the years. Also seen in political commentator and former 24 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:16,120 Speaker 1: Pennsylvania Republican Congressman Charlie Dent and seen un political analyst 25 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 1: Jackie Kucinich. She's watching a via chief for the Boston Globe, 26 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 1: David Gurgan. Let's start with you, how big a mess 27 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 1: is this for the Biden administration. It's very very big, 28 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:28,840 Speaker 1: not legally but politically, it's a very very big deal. 29 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 1: You know, this is a president who was marching upward 30 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 1: for the first time in his presidents. He's got his 31 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 1: numbers up, people are feeling better about the economy for 32 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 1: all sorts of reasons to believe that he could he 33 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 1: could now present himself. The fears that people like me 34 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:44,960 Speaker 1: have about how old is he kind of governed, Well, 35 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 1: those fears will be dissipated if he were able to 36 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 1: stay on that track. But now along comes this, this, 37 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 1: this gigantic story, which is totally unexpected, and it's not 38 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 1: that not for six the original plan now, but I 39 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 1: do think that they um the button people. They may 40 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 1: be making a big mistake unders now may be wrong 41 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 1: about this. I think they've done a wonderful job for 42 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 1: being cooperative with the government, and they've done it quote 43 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 1: by the books that they were saying. But I don't 44 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 1: think sitting there hunkering down now, they're just acting like 45 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 1: it's out out there is there is, there goes. They're 46 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 1: just gonna have you're gonna get cream doing. There's also 47 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 1: been the drip drip drip of information some I mean, 48 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 1: let's just stop there, Senator. They want an honorable mention. 49 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:32,919 Speaker 1: It sounds like for being quote transparent. Yet this story 50 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 1: keeps drip drip dripping, and even those the media like 51 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:39,119 Speaker 1: Gurgan are saying, well, I don't believe he's in trouble legally, 52 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:44,239 Speaker 1: He's just in trouble politically. Do you buy that? Well, 53 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:46,919 Speaker 1: I'll say a number of things listening to that excerpt. 54 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 1: Number one, CNN continues to self satirize as you look 55 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 1: at their panel discussing President Biden's political fortunes, and you 56 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 1: have four liberals discussing it. You've got Jake Tapper, who's 57 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 1: gone dramatically to the left. You have David Gurgan, who 58 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 1: was of course a senior White House official to Bill Clinton, 59 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 1: always worked with Republicans as well, but he's always been 60 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 1: left of center. You've got Cassinich, who's far left of center, 61 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:13,359 Speaker 1: and then you've got Charlie Dent, who's probably the most 62 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 1: liberal Republican to serve in the House in a long time. 63 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 1: So that's their panel. Normally, you and I were up 64 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 1: said and by the way, you know, you've logged a 65 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 1: lot of miles ban on CNN, so you're familiar with 66 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 1: stack panels of the left hand and the far left 67 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 1: hand sitting there. Seven years in hell, as we describe it, 68 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 1: the seven years of an in hell is what I did. 69 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 1: I did my tour of duty. So it's just amusing 70 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 1: listening to Tapper go through the panel. But then you 71 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 1: have Gergan, even a panel of people on the left 72 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 1: are sitting there going holy crap. As as Gergan put it, 73 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 1: Biden's getting creamed. This last week was one of the 74 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 1: worst weeks, if not politically the worst week of the 75 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 1: Biden administration. You'd have to go back to the absolute 76 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 1: disaster in Afghanistan, thirteen American servicemen and women being murdered 77 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 1: to find a week that politically caused as much consternation 78 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 1: in the Oval Office as this week did and it was. 79 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 1: It's a mess that it keeps getting worse. All right, 80 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 1: I want to get your take on this center, but 81 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:16,920 Speaker 1: before we get to that, I want to tell you 82 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 1: about our good friends over at Patriot Mobile. 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Well, 104 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 1: you look at the White House Press Secretary I John Pierre. 105 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 1: This is just my personal opinion, maybe one of the 106 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:55,840 Speaker 1: worst White House spreacot secretaries that I've ever seen when 107 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 1: it comes to adapting and having to deal with things 108 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:01,479 Speaker 1: that are quote as I would describe it, outside of 109 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 1: the talking point. She's great at walking up there sticking 110 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 1: to a script. Perfect example of that is on Thursday, 111 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:11,480 Speaker 1: the White House said six different times that the search 112 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:16,919 Speaker 1: for classified documents was quote complete, that's talking points. In reality, 113 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 1: we found out that more classified documents were discovered after 114 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:23,280 Speaker 1: she said this, and here's the montage. The search is 115 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:28,160 Speaker 1: clearly complete. They completed the search. The search is complete. 116 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:31,599 Speaker 1: He is confident in this process. You should assume that 117 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:34,599 Speaker 1: it's been completed. Yes, after the search concluded last night. 118 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:38,360 Speaker 1: That search was completed last night. I mean, either she's 119 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 1: an idiot or she's willfully lying to the American people, 120 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:43,599 Speaker 1: and that I think goes back to what David Gergan 121 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 1: was saying. Well, to be fair, as a matter of logic, 122 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 1: those two are not mutually exclusive. Yeah, she can be both. 123 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 1: And I will say that that's she's an exceptionally poor liar. 124 00:06:57,520 --> 00:06:59,919 Speaker 1: I mean, it really is amazing the Biden White House 125 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 1: hires her to stand up and say things that are 126 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 1: demonstrably false, and she says them over and over and 127 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 1: over again. We've talked a lot on this spot about 128 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 1: how she claims nobody's crossing the border illegally, like, never 129 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 1: mind the five point three million, they don't exist. These 130 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 1: aren't the droid you're looking for. She just stands up 131 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 1: there and gaslight. She stands up and says, you know, 132 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 1: it was the Republicans who wanted to shut school down, 133 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 1: schools down. She is willing to lie, which is not 134 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 1: a good characteristic for press secretary, but then she's bad 135 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 1: at it. You know, the best press secretary we may 136 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 1: have seen in modern times was Mike McCurry for Bill Clinton. 137 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 1: And when Bill Clinton had all the scandals, had Monica Lewinsky, 138 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 1: McCurry could stand up there and he just had an 139 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 1: awe shuck's way of yeah, okay, my boss is an 140 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 1: inveterate liar, but he was charming about it. She's not. 141 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 1: And if you look at what she says, part of 142 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 1: the problem with her lying is she lies in ways 143 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 1: that are easy to get caught. So she said over 144 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 1: and over again as you just played that the searcher 145 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 1: was complete. The searcher was complete. The searcher was complete. 146 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 1: There was just one problem. Those facts were inoperative. And 147 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 1: so you mentioned at the start of the pod to 148 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 1: write things down. Let's go through the timeline. So on 149 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 1: Monday of this past week, the Biden White House revealed 150 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 1: to the world what it claimed the facts were, and 151 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 1: here's what it claimed. It claimed that on November second, 152 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 1: the president's personal lawyers just happened to be packing up 153 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 1: his old office at the Penn Biden Center, and they 154 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 1: discovered documents that were classified as they were going through. Now, 155 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:38,440 Speaker 1: as we've talked about earlier, it's a little bit odd. 156 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 1: Those are high priced movers if you're hiring lawyers to 157 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:43,560 Speaker 1: pack up and move. But that's that's the story they're claiming. 158 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 1: So that was November second. The White House claims they 159 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: immediately contacted the Archives, and on November fourth, the National 160 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 1: Archives informed DJ. Now you'll recall when the stormtroopers came 161 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 1: into Marrow Lago, how they leaked over and over and 162 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 1: over again. You know what didn't happen On November fourth, 163 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 1: when the Department of Justice was informed, they didn't link anything. 164 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 1: They didn't link anything. They didn't tell the American people anything. 165 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 1: By the way, there was an election coming up November eighth, 166 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 1: and boy, the secrecy was tight. Never mind that this happened, 167 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:22,719 Speaker 1: never mind that this happened. So that occurred. And then 168 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:29,959 Speaker 1: in December, Biden's personal attorney and formed the prosecutor was 169 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 1: investigating this that a second set of documents had been found, 170 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:38,680 Speaker 1: this time in the garage of Biden's house, right next 171 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:41,960 Speaker 1: to that now infamous corvette, and also some more in 172 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 1: another adjoining room. I still don't think we know whether 173 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 1: it's a bathroom, whether it's the washing machine room. You know, 174 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 1: whether it's his massage room. I don't know if he 175 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 1: has a massage room. Whatever the room is next to 176 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 1: the garage that they don't want to tell us. Then 177 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 1: on Wednesday of last week, the Biden attorneys found another 178 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:03,719 Speaker 1: classified document get another location at his Wilmington residence. And 179 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:06,719 Speaker 1: that's when Karen John Pierre said, the searchers complete, the 180 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:11,680 Speaker 1: searchers complete, the searchers complete, except that they found five 181 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 1: more on Thursday. And so you know, as we sit here, 182 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 1: the question is what's coming next? And the drip, drip, drip. 183 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:26,440 Speaker 1: It is amazing as a competence matter that apparently they're 184 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:29,199 Speaker 1: not able to figure out where else. I mean, I mean, 185 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 1: what was this guy doing just sticking classified documents everywhere? 186 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 1: I mean that that's just a little weird at this point, 187 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:41,080 Speaker 1: and they can't even figure out, Like if you sit 188 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 1: down and you're like, oh crap, this is bad. What 189 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 1: can we do? What can we do? All right? Number 190 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:48,320 Speaker 1: one step number one in the crisis. Let's get ahead 191 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 1: of it. Let's figure out what the facts are. Let's 192 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 1: actually do the damn search. Apparently they can't do that 193 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 1: because I fully expect this week we're going to discover, 194 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:59,960 Speaker 1: you know, in his gym bag packed under his speed 195 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 1: or the nuclear codes. I mean it, it has gotten 196 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 1: so bad that it's a punchline and that is not 197 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 1: a good thing, and they're screwing it up by making 198 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:13,559 Speaker 1: it even worse. You look at the special prosecutor who 199 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:16,439 Speaker 1: was named for this case, and you want to talk 200 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 1: about you look at for example, I'll compare this for 201 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 1: a moment to mar Lago. We knew and they knew 202 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 1: and where these documents were. At mar Lago, they even 203 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 1: had come in and looked at these documents and knew 204 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:30,559 Speaker 1: they were a quote, you know, an area that they 205 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:34,560 Speaker 1: agreed upon that was more secure or a secure room. 206 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:36,720 Speaker 1: I mean, there was a lot of conversations. From what 207 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 1: we understand. The difference with this one is these documents 208 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 1: we know had to have been moved multiple times, just 209 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:50,199 Speaker 1: based on the timeline, just based on when the pen 210 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:52,960 Speaker 1: center even open and he had access to it. We 211 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 1: don't know if these documents were at one point altogether, 212 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:59,079 Speaker 1: and now they've they've shown up in three different locations. 213 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 1: We have no idea who had access to these documents 214 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 1: or who were around them. And I've noticed this other 215 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 1: theme center, which is well, this is a political problem 216 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 1: David Gergin to that, but not a legal one for him. 217 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 1: How can they say that when we don't even know 218 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 1: what the documents are yet and we know they're classified. 219 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 1: We also there's a bunch of other documents around these 220 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:23,680 Speaker 1: documents that were that dealt with foreign countries that apparently 221 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:26,560 Speaker 1: we're not classified. I mean, what if a lot of 222 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 1: this information deals with their business and financial dealings and 223 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 1: info that would give them a leg up on China 224 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 1: and Ukraine with Barisma and other things like that. How 225 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:36,960 Speaker 1: can you just walk out there and say, well, we're 226 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:40,080 Speaker 1: not worried about this anything legally, where this is more 227 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 1: optics politically. Well, you're right that. Right now, we don't 228 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 1: know what's in the documents. What has been reported and 229 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:50,200 Speaker 1: or leaked is that at least one of the documents 230 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 1: was SCI code word clearance, which is the highest level 231 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 1: of clearance. So it's not the bottom level is secret 232 00:12:56,640 --> 00:13:00,320 Speaker 1: and there's top secret, but SCI codeword is for very 233 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:04,080 Speaker 1: sensitive materials, and at least one of the documents apparently 234 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 1: was classified at that highest level. We have also heard 235 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 1: reports and leaks that they concerned for and countries concerned 236 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 1: the United Kingdom in China and Iran. We don't know 237 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:18,680 Speaker 1: in what respect in Ukraine. As we talked about on 238 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:25,359 Speaker 1: the last pot, if these documents involved Biden's personal financial 239 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 1: dealings with these countries, either Joe Biden's or Hunter Biden's 240 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 1: or Joe Biden's brothers, that takes this to a qualitatively 241 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:36,559 Speaker 1: different place. At this point, we have no indication that 242 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:40,559 Speaker 1: that's the fact, but that would be a massive escalation. 243 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 1: Why is that the Democrats are convinced there's no legal liability. 244 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 1: I think the answer is they have confidence in Merrick Garland. 245 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 1: And you know, you and I recently did a pod 246 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:57,200 Speaker 1: right after Robert heard the Special Council was named, and 247 00:13:57,280 --> 00:14:00,200 Speaker 1: we were one of the very first analyzes out there 248 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 1: looking into HER's background. And at the time I pointed 249 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 1: out that he had been principal Associate Deputy Attorney General 250 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:12,079 Speaker 1: under Rod Rosenstein, and I said that did not give comfort. 251 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 1: What we've seen since then is not only was he 252 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 1: a protege of Rod Rosenstein, he was also a protege 253 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 1: of Chris Ray, the Director of the FBI, who, sadly, 254 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 1: Chris I think has has has presided over an FBI 255 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 1: that has continued to be deeply partisan, that has continued 256 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 1: to be political players. Now it is not as egregious 257 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 1: as it was under his predecessor, under James Comey, where 258 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 1: Comy was actively part of the problem. But Chris Ray 259 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 1: has been unwilling to clean house, unwilling to get rid 260 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 1: of the hard partisan career officials at the FBI, And 261 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 1: so when it comes to if you're a Democratic partisan 262 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 1: and you realize, we'll wait a second, every decision here 263 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 1: is going to be made by number one, a guy 264 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 1: that's Chris Ray and Rod Rosenstein's protege, but number two, 265 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 1: ultimately by Merrick Garland, who has already proven to be 266 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 1: the most political Attorney general ever. I think you have 267 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 1: a level of comfort that this is a messaging problem 268 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 1: and not a legal problem that they're going to justify, well, 269 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 1: everything was done right here, no matter what was done, 270 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 1: because in their view, there is such a qualitative difference 271 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 1: between Biden and Trump that whatever the facts, it can 272 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 1: be swept under the rug. What becomes hard. And the 273 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 1: reason they view this as a political problem is they 274 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 1: have one target, and that is Donald John Trump. That 275 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 1: is their target. And politically this now makes it messy 276 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 1: for Democrats to get up and say having classified documents 277 00:15:55,800 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 1: in places other than secured lockdown skifts is disastrous. That's 278 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 1: very difficult when Joe Biden seems to leave them everywhere 279 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 1: he goes. That's what they're wrestling with politically. But I 280 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 1: think they have confidence that the guy's investigating if there's 281 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 1: not going to be legal peril for Biden or the 282 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 1: people surrounding it. Representative James Comber. He said one of 283 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 1: his big problems with us on Say the Union Sunday 284 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 1: morning was that the special counsel has been called for Biden, 285 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 1: yet his attorneys were still rummaging what he described as 286 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 1: the crime scene individuals that do not, in fact have 287 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 1: top secret clearance. To take a listen, he's Coomber of Kentucky. 288 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 1: Mister chairman, thanks for joining us. Let's start on the 289 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 1: news yesterday that five additional pages of classified documents were 290 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 1: found at President Biden's residence in that Wilmington suburb, in 291 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 1: a room adjacent to the garage. What's your reaction to 292 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 1: this latest development. Well, my concern is that the special 293 00:16:57,040 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 1: Council was called for, but yet hours after that, we 294 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:04,960 Speaker 1: still had the president's personal attorneys, who have no security clearance, 295 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 1: still rummaging around the President's residents looking for things. I 296 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:12,439 Speaker 1: mean that would essentially be a crime scene, so to speak. 297 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 1: After the appointment of a special counsel. So, you know, 298 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:19,200 Speaker 1: we have a lot of questions for the National Archives, 299 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:21,159 Speaker 1: we have a lot of questions for the Department of Justice, 300 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 1: and hopefully we'll be getting some answers very soon. I 301 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 1: mean it's an active crime scene, is the way he 302 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 1: described it, and they're just rummaging through I guess they're 303 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 1: just going through everything trying to find papers. What does 304 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 1: the law say about this? I mean, if if they 305 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:37,159 Speaker 1: know that there's classified documents, can they just send staffers 306 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 1: and random lawyers who do not have top secret clearance? 307 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:43,439 Speaker 1: So like, hey, scay, you know, go through everything in 308 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 1: this room, in this room, in this room, and then 309 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 1: let us know what you find. Well, look what this 310 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 1: illustrates as the rampant double standard not now to be clear, 311 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 1: and we talked about this early on when the issue 312 00:17:56,520 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 1: of the Marlago rate occurred, that president of both parties 313 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 1: for a long time have had disputes over documents, and 314 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 1: presidents keep documents to prepare memoirs, and presidents complete keep 315 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 1: documents to prepare for their presidential libraries. Now Biden's a 316 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:16,920 Speaker 1: little bit different in that it appears all of these 317 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:21,120 Speaker 1: documents were from his time as vice president or not president. 318 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:23,200 Speaker 1: I say all of them, I'm not actually the ones 319 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 1: at the Penn Center were from the vice presidential time. 320 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 1: I don't know that they publicly said whether the corvette 321 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 1: documents or the latest documents in his Wilmington home were 322 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:34,200 Speaker 1: from his time as president or vice president. If they 323 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 1: have said it, I haven't seen that reported, and Merritt 324 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 1: Garland is not giving any details. But look, there is 325 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:45,479 Speaker 1: some element of presidents have some ability to work with 326 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 1: investigations and to endeavor, to comply and to turn over materials. 327 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 1: What is striking is that's not the leniency they gave 328 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 1: Donald Trump. They they sent in FBI agents to raid. 329 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 1: And so when I think the third or fourth tranche 330 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 1: of documents were discovered with Biden, I jumped on Twitter 331 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 1: and said, you know, so, when's the FBI raid happening? 332 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:11,919 Speaker 1: And that's just I think the FBI rate of mar 333 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 1: Lago was wrong. And so I'm not actually calling for 334 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:19,920 Speaker 1: an FBI raid of Biden's residence. But it's very difficult 335 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 1: for a Democrat to explain, well, why do we only 336 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:26,639 Speaker 1: raid Trump and not our guy? Now they'll say they're talking. 337 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 1: Point in response, is well, our guys complying. Well, he's 338 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:33,159 Speaker 1: not complying very well, and he keeps finding more and 339 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 1: more and more, And you're right that who knows who 340 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 1: the heck they're sending in there looking around and what 341 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:42,360 Speaker 1: documents they are. What has been demonstrated is they don't 342 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 1: know what's there. So it's very hard for them to 343 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 1: com claim that they are complying with a classified documents 344 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:53,480 Speaker 1: security protocol given that from all appearances, they have no 345 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:58,399 Speaker 1: idea what documents exist where, and yet they're sending in 346 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:01,439 Speaker 1: who knows whom to go look for. I said this 347 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 1: the other day when this first broke and you and 348 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 1: I were chatting about it, I said, I wonder if 349 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 1: this is not a great opportunity for Democrats to say, 350 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:11,920 Speaker 1: all right, we get rid of our problem and that's 351 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 1: Joe Biden. We got through the midterms. Now maybe this 352 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 1: is our off ramp we can bring in our new person. 353 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 1: Adam Schiff was on ABC this week, and I mean 354 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:25,239 Speaker 1: shocked the hell out of me when he had this 355 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:29,880 Speaker 1: to say, the outgoing chair of the House Intelligence Committee Conversationship. 356 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 1: You were on this show just after Attorney General Garland 357 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:35,960 Speaker 1: appointed a special counsel in the case of the Trump documents. 358 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:37,880 Speaker 1: He said it was the right move. Do you feel 359 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:42,360 Speaker 1: the same way about this special counsel? I do think 360 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 1: it's the right move. The Attorney General has to make 361 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:48,640 Speaker 1: sure that not only is justice evenly applied, but the 362 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:53,720 Speaker 1: appearances of justice are also satisfactory to the public. And 363 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 1: here I don't think he had any choice but to 364 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:59,119 Speaker 1: appoint a special counsel, and I think that special counsel 365 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 1: will do the proper assessment. I still would like to 366 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 1: see Congress do its own assessment and receiving assessment from 367 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 1: the intelligence community of whether there was an exposure to 368 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:13,920 Speaker 1: others of these documents, whether it was harm to national 369 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 1: security in the case of either set of documents with 370 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:20,680 Speaker 1: either president. But yes, I think the Special Council was 371 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:24,959 Speaker 1: appropriately appointed. Jonathan, If I could, I mean you hear 372 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:28,439 Speaker 1: him say that there, Senator, and that's not what I 373 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:33,880 Speaker 1: was expecting from Adam Shift at all. Well, it is surprising, 374 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 1: and I do think Democrats are reeling and trying to 375 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 1: figure out how to respond to this. It's premature to 376 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:44,359 Speaker 1: say that the analysis of it is what you suggested, 377 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:46,720 Speaker 1: that this is Democrats trying to throw Joe Biden to 378 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:50,679 Speaker 1: the curb. What I would say is that today's congressional 379 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 1: Democrats hate Donald Trump much more than they love Joe Biden. 380 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 1: So they're frustrated because they recognize this mess is a 381 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 1: real political problem for their effort to go after Trump, 382 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 1: and so they're reacting with that frustration of wait a second, 383 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:15,959 Speaker 1: we must go after Beelzebub, and you are making it 384 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:19,680 Speaker 1: difficult for us to go after Beelzebub. Actually, I say 385 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:22,479 Speaker 1: that the odds that they would know who Beelzebub is 386 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 1: are actually quite low, because that would suggest some familiarity 387 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:29,960 Speaker 1: with well, I'm gonna I'm gonna be nice, I'm gonna 388 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 1: go to the high road, and not not finish that thought. 389 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 1: With respect to Joe Biden, I think Democrats are divided 390 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 1: right now on Joe Biden. Just about everyone recognizes that 391 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 1: he's too damn old and that his age is a 392 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 1: real issue and that competence has been a real issue. 393 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:53,680 Speaker 1: At the same time, Democrats are pretty good at message discipline, 394 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:58,399 Speaker 1: and so they have uniformly circled the wagons around him 395 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 1: and said he's our guy. We're going to defend him 396 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 1: no matter what. Now, there are a ton of ambitious 397 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 1: Democrats circling the carcass of the White House who want 398 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:13,760 Speaker 1: to run. And we've talked about all the Democrats, whether 399 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:17,560 Speaker 1: it's Kamala Harris or Pete Buddha Jedge or Gavin Newsom 400 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 1: or Elizabeth Warren. I think there are a lot of 401 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 1: them that are eager to run. And I've said multiple 402 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 1: times I do not believe Joe Biden will be the 403 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:28,120 Speaker 1: Democrat nominee in twenty four. I don't think he'll run. 404 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:30,919 Speaker 1: He's of course saying he's going to run. So I 405 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:34,400 Speaker 1: think within the Democratic circles there's a divide. Are there 406 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 1: people that would like to push Biden out, Yes, but 407 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 1: they're not sure who they want to replace him. And 408 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 1: I think what we're seeing now is more frustration that 409 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 1: this makes it harder to go after Trump than necessarily 410 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 1: on effort to jettison Biden. Although it could develop in 411 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 1: time into the latter. Yeah, it's gonna be very different. 412 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 1: Interesting to see how this plays out. It seems like 413 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 1: this story we haven't even gotten the end of the 414 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:07,239 Speaker 1: storyline here, because they keep screwing this up and the 415 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:09,639 Speaker 1: White House keeps lying and saying this is it. I 416 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised if they find more documents today, tomorrow, 417 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,159 Speaker 1: the next day at this point, because it seems like 418 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,440 Speaker 1: they're all over the place and that there was no 419 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:21,399 Speaker 1: one who was actually looking out for these classified documents. 420 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 1: If that is the case, is there possibility of a 421 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 1: of a real criminal asque probe into this special Council. Well, 422 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 1: and in fact, I'm gonna go one further. So this 423 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:37,359 Speaker 1: podcast is coming out Monday morning. I'm gonna wager you 424 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:41,359 Speaker 1: a beer that by a week from today, by next Monday, 425 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 1: they will have found more classified documents. So if I win, 426 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:47,720 Speaker 1: you're buying me a beer, and if you win, you're 427 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 1: buying me a beer. Either way, we get beer. So 428 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 1: that's actually I was gonna say we both win this one. 429 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:55,880 Speaker 1: I like it, but I think they're gonna find more. 430 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:59,920 Speaker 1: I think they're you know, I had an old boss, 431 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:01,960 Speaker 1: one of my first bosses when I came out of 432 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:05,960 Speaker 1: law school, used to say to me, Ted, never blame 433 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 1: on malice. What can be explained with incompetence. There's a 434 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:14,200 Speaker 1: lot of truth to that. At this point, I think 435 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,400 Speaker 1: the White House guys desperately wish they knew about what 436 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 1: class documents were where, and I don't think they do yet. 437 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 1: I think they're still going through a sock drawer. I 438 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,120 Speaker 1: think they're still trying to figure out, okay, what else, 439 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 1: what else is where? And it's amazing to me just 440 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 1: how poorly they've executed it. I think there's more to come. 441 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:38,399 Speaker 1: The next if there's not, the next big shoe to 442 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 1: drop is going to be what are these documents? You know? 443 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 1: It's one thing I've read a lot of classified documents 444 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:49,400 Speaker 1: in the last decade. There's some classified documents that frankly 445 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:52,399 Speaker 1: damned if I know why they're classified. They you know, 446 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 1: say things like, you know, Russia is big and cold. Okay, 447 00:25:57,359 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 1: that's classified. I'm you know, because some person put a 448 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,760 Speaker 1: classified label, like they say things that everyone knows and 449 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:06,280 Speaker 1: don't really say anything. And I actually think there's a 450 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 1: problem in government of overclassification. We've seen this administration. We 451 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:16,360 Speaker 1: saw the Obama administration classify things that were just politically 452 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 1: embarrassing that that's another category where it doesn't impact national security, 453 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:23,439 Speaker 1: it just is embarrassing to the party in power. I 454 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:26,280 Speaker 1: think a lot of the stuff about Afghanistan and the 455 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:30,639 Speaker 1: disaster of Biden's horrible withdrawal there falls into that category 456 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,119 Speaker 1: of well, we certainly don't want anyone to know what happened, 457 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 1: so it's all classified depending on what it is. If 458 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:44,240 Speaker 1: the materials are classified, but on a reasonable assessment, did 459 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 1: not pose an acute dangered and national security. That's one thing. 460 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,399 Speaker 1: If the materials, on the other hand, are and as 461 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:54,159 Speaker 1: I said, we know of at least one document that 462 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:58,439 Speaker 1: as sci code were classified. If they are materials that 463 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:02,360 Speaker 1: could endanger sources and methods that at the most extreme, 464 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:06,760 Speaker 1: could uncover an undercover operative and risk his or her life, 465 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,200 Speaker 1: that takes it to a very different level. We don't 466 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:13,240 Speaker 1: know yet. I think there is. You've mentioned it twice 467 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,679 Speaker 1: now sci co word one of these documents. Can you 468 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 1: explain who is even able to see that level of 469 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:24,120 Speaker 1: classification how that works? Because you mentioned it now twice 470 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,800 Speaker 1: and for a lot of people listening, they're gonna say, Okay, 471 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 1: why is that one so much more of a big deal, 472 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,200 Speaker 1: and what type of things would be under that type 473 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,720 Speaker 1: of clearance compared to other things that's a top secret. 474 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:41,720 Speaker 1: So there's a hierarchy from secret to top secret to 475 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 1: sci code word and even sci code word. You're not 476 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:48,399 Speaker 1: read into everything there that they're kept in separate silos, 477 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:52,640 Speaker 1: and on some level it's fair fairly intuitive. The higher 478 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 1: level of classification is information that is more risky to 479 00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 1: national security, more important, so it could reveal things. I mean, 480 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:05,040 Speaker 1: the catch word that is most typically used as sources 481 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:08,120 Speaker 1: and methods Now what does that mean. That could mean 482 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,400 Speaker 1: that we have a wire tap, we have some bad 483 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:14,800 Speaker 1: guy's phone tap, we have some satellite interception going on, 484 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 1: and so we don't want the bad guy to know 485 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 1: his phone is tapped. And so that's one reason why 486 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:23,440 Speaker 1: you know, if it's uh, you know, we heard Ben 487 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:28,400 Speaker 1: Ferguson calling and you know, doing something nefarious on his phone, Well, 488 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,159 Speaker 1: we don't want Ben to know we got him tapped. 489 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,160 Speaker 1: So that's going to be at a higher level classification. 490 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,960 Speaker 1: There's another component of it. Maybe the guy mowing Ben's 491 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 1: lawn is a ciage and undercover and and he's wearing 492 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,360 Speaker 1: a wire trying to catch Ben doing nefarious things. By 493 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:44,880 Speaker 1: the end of this, Ben, you're gonna be really nervous. 494 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,240 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be in sperience troubled by the end of this. 495 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:53,040 Speaker 1: But if we have an undercover operative that's placed either 496 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 1: a CIA agent or more often an asset, somebody who's 497 00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:00,360 Speaker 1: working for an enemy of America or even some times 498 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 1: just another country and other player who's been turned who 499 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 1: who are intelligence officers have convinced cooperate and provide information 500 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,960 Speaker 1: to us, you don't want that falling an enemy hands 501 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 1: in worse circumstances, and we've seen particularly at the height 502 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:18,200 Speaker 1: of the Cold War, but we've also seen it with 503 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,320 Speaker 1: China where they find spies and they kill them like it. 504 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 1: It can in danger, It can result in our agents 505 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:31,760 Speaker 1: being murdered if information that reveals their identity is made public. 506 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 1: That's a spectrum. But then there's an entire other matrix 507 00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 1: here that you've referenced a couple of times, but it 508 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:44,600 Speaker 1: both legally and politically as qualitatively different. If this involves 509 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:51,280 Speaker 1: the Biden's families pecuniary gain, If this involves documents where 510 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 1: Joe Biden and his family were making a buck, we 511 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 1: know that they made a buck with a bunch of 512 00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:00,960 Speaker 1: shady characters in Ukraine and community China. We know that 513 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:05,040 Speaker 1: they've done that. I actually don't think these documents are 514 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:09,440 Speaker 1: about that, because that just would be so monumentally stupid 515 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:14,360 Speaker 1: that it boggles the mind. I suspect they're not about that. 516 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:21,760 Speaker 1: But if suddenly it were something intertwined with the significant 517 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:26,120 Speaker 1: evidence of personal corruption, that's when you start to take 518 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 1: it to very serious legal jeopardy. We have no evidence 519 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 1: to suggest that's the case, but if it were the case, 520 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,480 Speaker 1: it would be a massive escalation two more things I 521 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,480 Speaker 1: want to ask you, and one, I love looking at 522 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:43,080 Speaker 1: what the headlines are trying to sell you from the media. 523 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:46,920 Speaker 1: When there's a big story. One of the headlines washed him. 524 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:50,840 Speaker 1: Posts big headline right while all this is going on 525 00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 1: that we've been talking about for the last twenty something minutes. 526 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:59,600 Speaker 1: Their headline read House Republicans prepare emergency plan for breaching 527 00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:04,080 Speaker 1: the debt limit. They said they're preparing for a plan 528 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,960 Speaker 1: telling the Treasury Department what could do if Congress and 529 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,200 Speaker 1: the White House don't agree to lift the nation's debt 530 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:13,520 Speaker 1: limit later this year, underscoring the brinksmanship newly empowered Conservatives 531 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:16,560 Speaker 1: will bring to the high stakes negotiations over averting a 532 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 1: US default. According to six people aware of the internal discussions, 533 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:24,120 Speaker 1: this is months away, and they happen to write this 534 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:28,280 Speaker 1: story on the first big Saturday of a Special Counsel 535 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,560 Speaker 1: of the President United States of America, acting like the 536 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:34,000 Speaker 1: Republicans are about to default on debt. Is this a 537 00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 1: big distraction or just something that should be on people's 538 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:39,720 Speaker 1: radar screens. Well, this is going to be a big fight, 539 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:44,120 Speaker 1: and we've talked about on this podcast how this was 540 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,880 Speaker 1: what the leadership battle was all about. It was whether 541 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,560 Speaker 1: the Republican majority in the House, and for that matter, 542 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,600 Speaker 1: the Republicans in the Senate, are going to use the 543 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,520 Speaker 1: legal power we have, use the levers of power that 544 00:31:56,600 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 1: we have to force meaningful forms in fiscal and spending policy. 545 00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:04,800 Speaker 1: And right at the heart of the battle over the 546 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:08,200 Speaker 1: Speaker was trying to force the new leadership in the 547 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,240 Speaker 1: House to be willing to use those levers. I believe 548 00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:14,040 Speaker 1: we're going to see a huge fight in Washington over 549 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,480 Speaker 1: the debt ceiling, and we're also going to see a 550 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:20,600 Speaker 1: huge fight in Washington overfunding of the government. Why is 551 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:24,560 Speaker 1: that because those historically have been the two most effective 552 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:28,080 Speaker 1: and in many times the only effective levers to force 553 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:32,000 Speaker 1: an opposing party to give in and pass meaningful spending 554 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:35,400 Speaker 1: or fiscal reform. Now the media plays their role as 555 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:40,240 Speaker 1: democratic mouthpieces and immediately demonizes any effort to use those levers. 556 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:42,640 Speaker 1: And let me be clear, when it comes to the 557 00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:46,760 Speaker 1: debt ceiling, my view is not that we should default 558 00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:48,920 Speaker 1: on the debt. We should never ever ever default on 559 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,280 Speaker 1: the debt. It is that we should use it as 560 00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:56,000 Speaker 1: a lever to force significant spending and fiscal concession from 561 00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:59,080 Speaker 1: the administration. And it has proven to be a very 562 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:04,400 Speaker 1: effective lever going back decades. This is the press trying 563 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:08,280 Speaker 1: to set the stage for that battle, and spoiler alert. 564 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,440 Speaker 1: The press is going to say the Republicans are crazy 565 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:13,720 Speaker 1: lunatics and the answer is just to give trillions of 566 00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,760 Speaker 1: dollars to Joe Biden, to the Democrats to keep bankrupting America. 567 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,840 Speaker 1: That's going to be their position. This article is trying 568 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:23,800 Speaker 1: to say that that fight is coming, but it's not 569 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:27,240 Speaker 1: a fight playing out today. It'll play out sometime in 570 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:30,800 Speaker 1: the future. Glastly, this is a story that for everybody 571 00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:34,080 Speaker 1: that listens, it just made me laugh. I didn't think 572 00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:36,600 Speaker 1: it was real, and then I found out it was real. 573 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:41,320 Speaker 1: There is a new government funded senator and that means 574 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:46,520 Speaker 1: our tax dollars food pyramid that was unvalid at the 575 00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:50,120 Speaker 1: White House. Now this happens a couple of months ago. 576 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:54,120 Speaker 1: Back in September, the White House hosted a conference apparently 577 00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:57,800 Speaker 1: that focused on nutrition, health and hunger in America, and 578 00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:00,880 Speaker 1: one of the main organized the event and currently the 579 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:04,560 Speaker 1: Dean of the Tough School of Nutrition presented a newly 580 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:08,080 Speaker 1: designed food pyramid that only costs three years of time 581 00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:12,000 Speaker 1: and millions of taxpayers dollars. Now, this wisdom in the 582 00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:16,040 Speaker 1: new pyramid has on there when it comes to nutritional 583 00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:23,280 Speaker 1: value that in fact, Lucky Charms the cereal is almost 584 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:28,120 Speaker 1: two x more, two x healthier than steak. Now at 585 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:29,799 Speaker 1: the top of the lists or stuff that you and 586 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,680 Speaker 1: I would probably say, okay, makes sense. Watermelon was a 587 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:37,960 Speaker 1: hundred kale was a hundred. Frosted miniwheats were in eighty 588 00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:43,120 Speaker 1: seven unsweetened almond milk in eighty six non fat frozen 589 00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:46,720 Speaker 1: yogurt and eighty chocolate covered almonds a seventy eight honey 590 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:50,400 Speaker 1: nut serials is seventy six. Dates were tied with that. 591 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,960 Speaker 1: But then you go down and you start looking at 592 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:58,839 Speaker 1: this and they actually say that for example, almon M 593 00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:02,799 Speaker 1: and m's better double the nutritional value they claim of 594 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:06,160 Speaker 1: ground beef cheddar is second from the bottom, egg fried 595 00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:08,080 Speaker 1: and butter is at the bottom. It's like it's a 596 00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:12,440 Speaker 1: war on traditional palets and they're saying that Lucky Charms 597 00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,800 Speaker 1: have a sixty on their scale, beef is a twenty six. 598 00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:20,280 Speaker 1: Your reaction our taxpayer dollars saying to a pyramid scheme, 599 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,080 Speaker 1: I would say it's perfect to say it that way, 600 00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:26,680 Speaker 1: that Lucky Charms are better for you than stink. Well, 601 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:31,200 Speaker 1: it's it's stunning, it's propaganda. Reminds me of an old line. 602 00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:34,040 Speaker 1: You know, if you don't drink, you don't smoke, and 603 00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:36,960 Speaker 1: you don't eat red meat, you may not live to 604 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:41,560 Speaker 1: a hundred, but it will feel like it. Look this, 605 00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:45,160 Speaker 1: this is a bunch of lefties who hate meat, who 606 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:49,000 Speaker 1: want us all to be you know, vegans feeding on 607 00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:52,080 Speaker 1: grass and sprouts and you know, kales one hundred. I 608 00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:56,000 Speaker 1: wouldn't know. It can be a thousand for all I care. 609 00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:59,240 Speaker 1: I'm not in the kale business, I will say, though, 610 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:03,800 Speaker 1: I am envious. Apparently these guys hired some government employee 611 00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:08,439 Speaker 1: whose job it was to eat lucky charms and steak. Yeah, 612 00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:10,719 Speaker 1: that'd be a good job. I like lucky charms. By 613 00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:15,720 Speaker 1: the way, very soon the nihilists and the Democratic Party 614 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:17,920 Speaker 1: are gonna say you can't say lucky charms. You know, 615 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,279 Speaker 1: the fighting Irish. We've already gotten rid of the Redskins. 616 00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:22,759 Speaker 1: The fighting Irish are coming next. And it's not you know, 617 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:27,360 Speaker 1: elepre con is uh, you know, insensitive to the wee people. 618 00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:30,080 Speaker 1: I just can't wait for someone to start giving me 619 00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,920 Speaker 1: health advice. I'm just gonna that I was unsolicited, and 620 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,120 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna give him a box to Lucky Charms. McKay. 621 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,080 Speaker 1: That's what the government said you should be eating. So 622 00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:40,759 Speaker 1: there you go. And I do hope that you know 623 00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:43,640 Speaker 1: every Democrat who wishes you and me ill, and there 624 00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:46,000 Speaker 1: are a lot of them. Maybe they could just buy 625 00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:49,279 Speaker 1: us a steak. That'd be okay, you know, yeah, faster right, 626 00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,279 Speaker 1: kill me by play. I'm fine with that. I'll take 627 00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,920 Speaker 1: that every day. You can't make it up. That's your 628 00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:00,960 Speaker 1: tax dollars at work. Center always a pleasure. 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