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Speaker 4: let's start right here. Garrett Wilson's catch against the Houston Texans.
Speaker 1: Where do you rank that all time?
Speaker 2: I'm saying as far as like dynamic catches, like one
Speaker 2: hand catches, stuff like that, I mean, I mean, I
Speaker 2: think the comparisons to Obj's catch is is ballot, right.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure some catches that we don't know about,
Speaker 2: that we forgot about that you know, to put in there.
Speaker 2: But you know, those one handed catches is a within
Speaker 2: there in themselves, right. So you look at what he
Speaker 2: was able to do at the time and how important
Speaker 2: it was. People forget that in the back back in
Speaker 2: o'dell'll catch, you know, they lost the game, right, this
Speaker 2: was gotta have it after Fashional Uh had the holding penalty,
Speaker 2: which I don't think was a holding penalty. I mean,
Speaker 2: first of all, let's start there. What I'm saying is
Speaker 2: this kid is special man. Yeah, everything with class and
Speaker 2: dignity and just being able to just go in and
Speaker 2: do his job no matter where they need him.
Speaker 3: Left guard, right guard, left tackle, right tackle.
Speaker 2: They got this from right and I think, you know,
Speaker 2: for years to come, they're gonna appreciate that, you know,
Speaker 2: like you know what you know they do the redrafts,
Speaker 2: they don't leave, they don't leave.
Speaker 3: Leave him right there like, no, the Jets did right like.
Speaker 2: They don't start saying that other people that passed on
Speaker 2: him should have took him before they got He failed
Speaker 2: to the Jests and how he fall into the Jets.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be a story one day in the future.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm so excited about that. And you know,
Speaker 2: I always talk about things I'm excited about. I thought,
Speaker 2: you bore what he can potentially be for this team.
Speaker 2: He can be a Kyle Yuchecks. Maybe this is me
Speaker 2: just being bold and crazy, but you know, anybody that
Speaker 2: can perform that well on special teams, and its shaped
Speaker 2: the way he is shaped like, I think he can
Speaker 2: be the perfect h back Isaiah likely to this offense,
Speaker 2: and I hope that he gets more opportunities to make
Speaker 2: an impact because he's one of those guys I think
Speaker 2: just as a playmaker, and I think if you really
Speaker 2: sit down and water it, water it, nurture it, and
Speaker 2: let it grow, I think you can have somebody that
Speaker 2: can be a unique talent in this league.
Speaker 3: Just my small opinion.
Speaker 4: Well, you always got a lot of love for those
Speaker 4: special teamers who turned regulars later on in their career.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Man, but he just he just kind of gets it,
Speaker 2: like like, Okay, everybody knows that that past is something
Speaker 2: that everybody does, but he had the patience and the
Speaker 2: timing to make sure that he can act it out,
Speaker 2: sit there and block block and then fall out like that,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: But he has a little a little bit more wiggle.
Speaker 2: But he also can be one of those guys I
Speaker 2: think that you can have these matchup nightmares with if
Speaker 2: you want to have him moving and and doing some
Speaker 2: of these wos and throwbacks. And also Corey right, one
Speaker 2: thing I noticed is they use him light a lot
Speaker 2: in that in the in the run game, his willingness
Speaker 2: and ability at his size to to block in the
Speaker 2: run game.
Speaker 3: And I think, you know, I was so excited to
Speaker 3: see him.
Speaker 2: I know it's a bone head play, and it's one
Speaker 2: of these things these young guys do that they don't
Speaker 2: understand that when you're running, your arm is always swinging
Speaker 2: behind you. So even though your body's in front, your
Speaker 2: arm could be in back depending on what leg and
Speaker 2: what arm you're you're you know you're running with, so
Speaker 2: you know, but just those little things I think added
Speaker 2: some pop to their offense. And if those guys can
Speaker 2: be able to make two or three more plays, or
Speaker 2: get two or three plays a piece, then that's six
Speaker 2: plays within in the game where guys who you don't
Speaker 2: think and not really on your Scottling report could surprise
Speaker 2: you because you trying so hard to take these other
Speaker 2: pieces away.
Speaker 4: All right, So what was different about Aaron Rodgers in
Speaker 4: the second half? He said he played horrible in that
Speaker 4: first half in the Jets season reached its midway point.
Speaker 4: At halftime, they're trailing seven to nothing there to the
Speaker 4: Houston Texans. But he came out firing in that second half,
Speaker 4: three possessions, three touchdowns, two incredible scores to Garrett Wilson,
Speaker 4: and then he gets old buddy Devonte Adams his first
Speaker 4: scoring grab with the Jets.
Speaker 3: Well, like, for me, what changed? I think they kind
Speaker 3: of got on the same page.
Speaker 2: Now Mike Williams is going to have to be a
Speaker 2: lot more pivotal in these wins. The fact that you
Speaker 2: know he didn't know who to go to on the
Speaker 2: screenplay to Conkling is like a bit alarming than knowing
Speaker 2: that it's not a lot of pre snapp of communication,
Speaker 2: because those are things that Mike has to clean up.
Speaker 3: He's too talented to have like these mental these mental lapses.
Speaker 2: But when you look at the fact that Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 2: empty recognized it was cover zero, How do I know
Speaker 2: its cover zero because I have a safety and the
Speaker 2: slot pressed up, not back, pressed up against my receiver?
Speaker 2: A great one in Devanta Adams. Devanta Ams to win
Speaker 2: off the line and basically kind of hold it up,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, and walk in touchdown was
Speaker 2: just a symbol of the non verbal communication. But the
Speaker 2: more impressive one was the thumbs down where he knew
Speaker 2: it was a small window that he couldn't keep running
Speaker 2: once he cleared and beat the guy off the line,
Speaker 2: which he made him fall. Rookie, So sorry that you
Speaker 2: got to get Devanta Adams on National TV in a
Speaker 2: pivotal moment to learn your lessons make him fall, but
Speaker 2: also to sit down in that hole before he of
Speaker 2: course get up ended and hit his head. But you know,
Speaker 2: he didn't keep running because he knew he would. That
Speaker 2: would be to the safety, and Aaron did that. So
Speaker 2: I'm starting to see those non verbal communications started to
Speaker 2: make sense because we thought it was just going to be,
Speaker 2: you know, pass baton, we pick up where we left off.
Speaker 2: But I never realized until I heard Devanta Adams talking
Speaker 2: that he was playing the Z and normally he plays
Speaker 2: the X.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, so he's still learning.
Speaker 2: He knows all the concepts, but he never really did
Speaker 2: those things right because the ex is the guy that's
Speaker 2: going to get the ball the majority of the time,
Speaker 2: and I'm sure they didn't want Garrett to have to
Speaker 2: learn new stuff, so they put the heavy lifting, the
Speaker 2: heavy learning of Devonte Adams. So I'm happy that, you know,
Speaker 2: they're starting to figure it out a little bit more too.
Speaker 3: I still wish they would run the ball with Breache
Speaker 3: a little bit more. I wish they.
Speaker 2: I tell you what, like the greatest form of flattery.
Speaker 2: Imitation is the greatest form of flattery. And the play
Speaker 2: that they keep running to Mixing, which is a wind back,
Speaker 2: is a play that the Jets should major in because
Speaker 2: you have the big athletic left tackle, you have the
Speaker 2: Maler and Simpson who you know or fashion New where
Speaker 2: you can get that double team let the defensive end
Speaker 2: go take a guy like your ball, wind him back
Speaker 2: and hit the defensive end and have breist Hall press
Speaker 2: that hole and then wind it back. They ran that
Speaker 2: play maybe six times with Mixing and was killing. That's
Speaker 2: actually the play that we used to run with Jonathan
Speaker 2: Ogden as well when when Jamal Lewis went for two
Speaker 2: thousand yards. It's a wind back because it allows your
Speaker 2: running back to keep his shoulders square so that he
Speaker 2: can have the jump cut back to the backside, and
Speaker 2: once he presses the hole downhill, it holds the backside
Speaker 2: and the front side linebacker because you're coming downhill and
Speaker 2: then at the last moment you're basically setting your block
Speaker 2: up and getting back out and then it's either insert
Speaker 2: safety or somebody that has to make that play, and
Speaker 2: you know, I wish to Jets would do that because
Speaker 2: I know they fall in love with this little lateral
Speaker 2: looks like a looks like the Ricky Williams speed sweep
Speaker 2: where the receiver goes and then the running back runs
Speaker 2: sideways and then you know his shoulder pads are fit
Speaker 2: the sideline and then he makes that cut. I don't
Speaker 2: like that for you know, it's cool, but I like
Speaker 2: Breseett and Brailn going more downhill with their shoulders. The
Speaker 2: play that Houston runs in the staple for Joe Mixon,
Speaker 2: who runs it so well. I think it's something NA
Speaker 2: should practice and still because it allows you to use
Speaker 2: the physicality that you have and the versatility you have,
Speaker 2: you know from your offensive line.
Speaker 4: What do you make of the learning curve of Davante
Speaker 4: at the Z you touched upon it before? And why
Speaker 4: can this be effective for the Jets him operating in
Speaker 4: that at that spot.
Speaker 2: I mean, because it's just it's another weapon, right, the
Speaker 2: better he gets, you know, Like you saw, it wasn't
Speaker 2: that Stingley was solely on on Davante, but a lot
Speaker 2: of time was spent on Davonte because the respect that
Speaker 2: he gets, and it was kind of like, who's the fish.
Speaker 2: How many people have two good corners? You know, you
Speaker 2: really can't have two good corners. You can't really pay
Speaker 2: two good corners, you know.
Speaker 3: What I mean.
Speaker 2: So the fact that you know, you get favorable matchups
Speaker 2: and whoever's eating that day is eating. You know, if
Speaker 2: Corley can step up and give him something, and Mike
Speaker 2: Walliams can step up and give something, if your ball
Speaker 2: can step up and give him something, it.
Speaker 3: Makes them hard to defend.
Speaker 2: And it's gonna be important in imparative that they put
Speaker 2: up points to try and take the Cardinals out of
Speaker 2: this vaulted run game that they have, which includes their quarterback,
Speaker 2: something that the Jets have been struggling with because as
Speaker 2: great as McDonald has played, and he should have had
Speaker 2: another sack, uh, you know, Tunsail, he gave tunsl real
Speaker 2: problems and Tunsel was one of the best we have
Speaker 2: in the business.
Speaker 3: But how many times.
Speaker 2: Did we see him lose the edge, you know, like
Speaker 2: and it's it's like, come on, man like, And I
Speaker 2: understand he hasn't had a lot of experience, but for
Speaker 2: one instance, they had a cut, they had a tight
Speaker 2: end maybe a yard he was detached, maybe a yard
Speaker 2: yard and a half. When a guy is that close,
Speaker 2: you don't line up inside him. What do you think
Speaker 2: he's about to block down on you? And it's a
Speaker 2: boot to get outside. That was the big play to
Speaker 2: Tank Delle. What you do if you're a linebacker, I mean,
Speaker 2: if you're if you're a linebacker, you line up right,
Speaker 2: you line up in the same spot. Then maybe two
Speaker 2: seconds between the the the play, you move out and
Speaker 2: you say, bor, why do you line up inside like
Speaker 2: that at first? Because once he sets he can't move.
Speaker 2: You can always move, So you line up there because
Speaker 2: he's lining up based off of view. So then once
Speaker 2: you get out, he can't do his job. And now
Speaker 2: they know that the whole player is disrupted, just because
Speaker 2: you use your football acumen understanding that if he starts
Speaker 2: out on this tight split is because he's trying to
Speaker 2: take the edgeway so that the quarterback can get outside
Speaker 2: so they can take a shot. What would have happened,
Speaker 2: just with the knowledge if he would have lined up
Speaker 2: there and then he would have lined up outside, he
Speaker 2: would have got an easy sack because it's nobody that
Speaker 2: could have blocked them he would have got an easy
Speaker 2: sack and that would have stopped in the gated a
Speaker 2: huge play that hurt the Jets right after they came back.
Speaker 3: And took the lead.
Speaker 2: Right So it's just those little things football actmen that they.
Speaker 3: Have to continue to grow with.
Speaker 2: Right now, McDonald's playing just pretty much on athleticism and instincts.
Speaker 2: But I needed him to slow down and understand what
Speaker 2: splits me, what formations mean, and start doing the math
Speaker 2: and eliminating the things that can hurt us or hurt
Speaker 2: him and enable him from doing his job.
Speaker 3: And that just comes with experience.
Speaker 2: And I wish sometimes some people they have to teach
Speaker 2: a young guy like that, those type of tricks, the
Speaker 2: savvy vest tricks. That's why I'm hoping her signed Reddick
Speaker 2: when they watching it, like hey man, like don't ever
Speaker 2: fall for that. Like when they used to put like
Speaker 2: a bunch out there, the three, the three like a
Speaker 2: little bowling pins. We were always we didn't care how
Speaker 2: wide it was, if it was super wide, we would
Speaker 2: still get outside of it because we know that they
Speaker 2: can't stop you from getting that. They can't force you
Speaker 2: inside if you're outside of the box, and it slows
Speaker 2: everything down, so we would press and get somebody outside
Speaker 2: the box, knowing that usually the guy on the outside
Speaker 2: of the bunch is usually the guy that's responsible for
Speaker 2: running like the under route. Well, if he's leaving, then
Speaker 2: that creates a short corner for you to come off
Speaker 2: at a weird tight angle. It's like being in a
Speaker 2: wide Banderish old school Detroit Lions wide nine or the
Speaker 2: old Vanderish Tennessee Titans, where he's just outside of everybody
Speaker 2: and then you can close that distance easy because they
Speaker 2: got nobody can block you. And if the tackle is
Speaker 2: responsible for blocking you, you're so wide out that it
Speaker 2: stresses the hell out of him. He's so nervous that
Speaker 2: he got to get back because you're so wide outside
Speaker 2: of him that he basically turns his shoulders and so
Speaker 2: sets himself up for undermove. So those are the crazy things,
Speaker 2: just like you can win just by using your brain
Speaker 2: before you ever have to use your body.
Speaker 1: That's football five o one right there.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 4: So you're saying, line up inside, he's gotta declare so
Speaker 4: he can't move with you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he can't move on once he lines up, he
Speaker 3: can't move.
Speaker 1: Then you move outside.
Speaker 2: You set that he's saying his head like, oh dang it.
Speaker 2: He's like, no, Aha, you stuck. He has to freeze
Speaker 2: you a defender, you can move whatever you want.
Speaker 4: Yeah, eight sacks and c J Stroud.
Speaker 1: This team's got the kryptonite of this guy.
Speaker 4: Last December, they really took it to him as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the game last year and a couple of times
Speaker 2: he was laying on the ground. I thought he was
Speaker 2: out again. Yeah, but you know, they got a great team,
Speaker 2: and we do recognize that, Hey, you're you're without this
Speaker 2: and that, But we don't take those excuses from anybody
Speaker 2: because we're out Jermaine Johnson and he's probably the second
Speaker 2: most pivotal person on that defensive line that we have.
Speaker 4: Hey, you mentioned and rightfully, so what oh did stepping
Speaker 4: in a right guard? Here's a kid who played nothing
Speaker 4: but left tackle on college. He cross train maybe the
Speaker 4: second week August at right tackle here in the National
Speaker 4: Football League, and then he's thrown into a game he's
Speaker 4: playing right guard.
Speaker 1: You got Max Mitchell playing left guard. How about this safeties? Man?
Speaker 4: We got to give them some love too. I really
Speaker 4: like what I've seen out of Jalen Mills. And then
Speaker 4: Isaiah Oliver has played all over the backfield for this team.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think.
Speaker 2: I think if you can harness anybody that plays with
Speaker 2: the spirit and the energy kind of like of with
Speaker 2: that passion and sometimes when you play fast and you
Speaker 2: play hard and it overcomes mistakes. Jalen Mills has been
Speaker 2: that player, right. If you know he's that energy guy,
Speaker 2: people can step their game up and matches energy. I
Speaker 2: think this team could be at a different level. The
Speaker 2: thing is you need a couple of guys that's infectious
Speaker 2: like that, you know, that are like like energy guys, right,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? They're generators. They go out
Speaker 2: there and they give power to everything that they hooked
Speaker 2: up to. And that's why I think that they need
Speaker 2: to do They need to continue to grow that uh
Speaker 2: it needs to spread because last year when they play,
Speaker 2: they play with so much passion, but now they they're
Speaker 2: under so much stress because they understand their margin for
Speaker 2: error so slim that they're forgetting to play with that passion,
Speaker 2: joy and love that's essential to being able to play
Speaker 2: care free and play fast.
Speaker 4: What would you do if you were in that locker
Speaker 4: room and that's your team at Melchai Corley and you're
Speaker 4: playing on the other side of the ball.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's halftime, maybe it's after the game.
Speaker 4: What would you say to the young man who's obviously
Speaker 4: just trying to make a play and he executed it
Speaker 4: all the way up to six inches across in the plane.
Speaker 2: Well, I just say, hey man, listen, you you had
Speaker 2: an opportunity to do something big and guess what what?
Speaker 2: Just something I want to tell you. You haven't scored
Speaker 2: a touchdown before. You might want to hold on to
Speaker 2: that ball anyway, right, You might want to give it
Speaker 2: to him so you can get that and document your
Speaker 2: first touchdown. So I'll say that. But also I say,
Speaker 2: hey man, listen, we got a lot of game to go.
Speaker 2: We're gonna need you at some point. If you get
Speaker 2: another opportunity to make a play, we need you to
Speaker 2: step up and make that play. But then, after seeing
Speaker 2: the game's over, you tease the hell out of like, oh,
Speaker 2: like what did I drup?
Speaker 3: You just start dropping stuff? Oh, drop my wallet. I
Speaker 3: don't worry.
Speaker 4: I told the follows if I was in that position,
Speaker 4: crossed the plane, I'd run right back to the bench.
Speaker 4: And the person the first person I'm looking for is
Speaker 4: Vito Vito Cantanto and saying, hey, listen, let's put the
Speaker 4: tape on the ball and we're gonna mark this and
Speaker 4: put it away.
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly. Or you know, I think I think they
Speaker 2: should still give him a ball. I think they should
Speaker 2: get it. They should get still give a ball and
Speaker 2: say your first almost touchdown, you big dummy.
Speaker 3: And like, moments like that defind your entire career.
Speaker 2: When I say that, like it's certain things that you
Speaker 2: do that cost you, Like I still remember, like I
Speaker 2: think I was the second grade. I fell for a
Speaker 2: reverse and I never gave up a reverse ever again
Speaker 2: in my life. Yeah, that's how much it sticks with me.
Speaker 2: And this moment would stick with him forever. He gonna
Speaker 2: be the high and tight king. He ain't gonna drop
Speaker 2: a ball, spike a ball until you hit the ref
Speaker 2: whistle and signal and then he gonna do something.
Speaker 3: He'll never drop a ball again.
Speaker 4: He's a great dude. He's got a lot of character.
Speaker 4: You can't help what roots for the guy. He made
Speaker 4: a mistake. Everybody makes mistakes.
Speaker 2: But you know, you know what, you know what Maham
Speaker 2: was watching No not my baby, because they start showing
Speaker 2: you all the like between him in the in the
Speaker 2: Master job of the kid that hit the long snapper,
Speaker 2: which turned out to be the greatest playing in football
Speaker 2: history because he took points off the four.
Speaker 1: The just finally got some breaks in this game.
Speaker 4: I mean it feels like for the five games they
Speaker 4: couldn't catch a break. Now you got Houston's kicker, who
Speaker 4: is an elite kicker, missing a chip shot field goal himself.
Speaker 3: Right, fair bear man, go ahead and talk about slices.
Speaker 2: You know, this is what I was really nervous about
Speaker 2: because I didn't want the new kicker to come down
Speaker 2: to happen to kick a kick, you know, far to
Speaker 2: be able to figure you stuff out.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 2: That's why the Garrett Wilson thing was super important, that
Speaker 2: he can make that dynamic catch.
Speaker 4: Hey man, you gotta like Patterson's extra point though. I mean,
Speaker 4: he's got a flair for the dramatic.
Speaker 2: Right after seeing him with the Rigorshet, Like, why couldn't
Speaker 2: we get a little Rigohet action some of the other
Speaker 2: games when when Greg was kicking, because you know, those
Speaker 2: things shanked out.
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Speaker 4: Hey, let me ask you this, what do you make
Speaker 4: of momentum in football? Because in baseball everybody says momentum
Speaker 4: is next day starting pitcher for the Jets right now,
Speaker 4: little room, little room freer, little margin freer. I mean,
Speaker 4: we can make the argument nine gets you in this year.
Speaker 4: Ten's definitely gonna get you in. But regardless, the Jets
Speaker 4: gotta go on a run here.
Speaker 1: How can they carry over what happened in the second half?
Speaker 2: I mean they have to because what happened is you
Speaker 2: know this, the stillers in the Broncos have the have
Speaker 2: the tiebreakers ahead?
Speaker 3: Do you?
Speaker 2: You and dans like, oh, yesterday, you're probably rooting for
Speaker 2: Miami just so they can bring the buffalo down where
Speaker 2: they can be at striking distance. But then you tell yourself, well,
Speaker 2: if they win, they're gonna be more energized and juice
Speaker 2: when they play us, So maybe we want them to
Speaker 2: be buried and say, you know what.
Speaker 3: Tour, let's not risk it. Let's just get ready for
Speaker 3: next year.
Speaker 2: And you hope that maybe that can happen, so you
Speaker 2: know you can you can have those in the bank,
Speaker 2: or seemingly in the bank with a much easier test
Speaker 2: because that team is so much different when Tour's they're
Speaker 2: opposed to Huntley or whoever else they have there or
Speaker 2: at the backup quarterback position.
Speaker 1: All Right, styles make fights.
Speaker 4: You mentioned Arizona before, Jets going to the Mountain West
Speaker 4: this weekend playing a Cardinals team that suddenly has won
Speaker 4: three games in a row and are a top the
Speaker 4: NFC West.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're inspired, you know, I mean, you got
Speaker 2: They're led by James Conner, who's a tremendous character.
Speaker 3: Guy. Can't believe he's still running the football. I don't
Speaker 3: know how old he is.
Speaker 2: You know, you talk about a guy that beat cancer
Speaker 2: and the cancer survivor that continues to inspire.
Speaker 3: He runs hard as hell. He's a tough nose football player. Man.
Speaker 2: I feel like he's been there ever since Bruce Aaron
Speaker 2: was coaching Arizona, and he's like it feels like he's
Speaker 2: still there. So it feels like he's been there like
Speaker 2: eight years. You know, you're gonna you're gonna see Beach
Speaker 2: him out there as well. Guy that's you know, the
Speaker 2: Jets know very well that's still playing at a decently.
Speaker 2: You know, decent level McBride is a weapon. So you
Speaker 2: got a good tight end, you got a generational, second
Speaker 2: generation outstanding receiver. You got two great running backs, one
Speaker 2: being a real running back and the other being a
Speaker 2: quarterback that you talk about not being able to circle.
Speaker 2: You bet you better make that guy throw it out
Speaker 2: a well, and don't don't get undisciplined and losing your edges,
Speaker 2: because I watched this dude hit the corner at the
Speaker 2: fifty yard line and he put the peace sign and
Speaker 2: guys were still ten yards in front of him, and
Speaker 2: he outran all the angles and he knew it once
Speaker 2: he got to the fifty.
Speaker 1: Is it easier preparing for a guy like Murray?
Speaker 4: Not because he doesn't have unbelievable athleticism, Obviously he does,
Speaker 4: But knowing that every time you turn the corner here
Speaker 4: in the hallways this week, they're gonna be talking about
Speaker 4: gap integrity, you gotta keep him from getting on the outside.
Speaker 2: So here here's the thing, Like when you play, when
Speaker 2: you play teams like like they have quarterbacks like that.
Speaker 2: What we realized from like how we used to prepare
Speaker 2: for Michael Vick, we understood that he wasn't tall, but
Speaker 2: we understood that the same lanes that he ran through
Speaker 2: he needed.
Speaker 3: To throw through.
Speaker 2: So what we always did is we distorted his vision
Speaker 2: in the middle to make him have to flush to
Speaker 2: our rush. So that means running time, games, me games,
Speaker 2: all kinds of games, and inside and having everybody else
Speaker 2: hold up, because what that does is that makes guys
Speaker 2: have to pass games.
Speaker 3: That means that you're passing. So now he never sees color.
Speaker 2: So it's like it's opening and closing, and he has
Speaker 2: to figure out when it's open. One if somebody's open,
Speaker 2: but two when it is it about to close, because
Speaker 2: it puts him under pressure to make the throw. And
Speaker 2: that's when you see him, you know, buying time. I
Speaker 2: think one players watching eight seconds. That's not fair to
Speaker 2: any dB. I don't care who's your dB. Eight seconds
Speaker 2: is ridiculous. But he's a guy that also breaks your
Speaker 2: contained to run, but also breaks the pass because he'll retreat,
Speaker 2: step up, retreat again just so he can just throw
Speaker 2: some ball up. And you know, it's hard to cover
Speaker 2: anybody that long, especially when you's then at that point
Speaker 2: there's a scramble drill. It's no routes that they're running
Speaker 2: and it's not like they're running, oh, fifteen yard comeback,
Speaker 2: So they're just getting open and sitting in spots and
Speaker 2: he's good enough to find them. It's gonna be a
Speaker 2: tough test.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it certainly is rush defense.
Speaker 4: The Jets have had their difficulties on the scrambles from
Speaker 4: the quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: We saw Joe Mixon get on track this week.
Speaker 4: What is it gonna be for the Jets in terms
Speaker 4: of you're not gonna keep these guys off the board
Speaker 4: getting yards on the ground, but you don't want them
Speaker 4: to control the game on the ground. How do you
Speaker 4: get how do you control in terms of getting them
Speaker 4: into second and long, third and long as opposed to
Speaker 4: them dictating on their terms because right now Arizona's been
Speaker 4: dictating at the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 2: I mean, if I'm being completely honest, the defensive line
Speaker 2: and gotta stop jumping around blocks. It's you know, this
Speaker 2: is one of the things that gets him in tremendous
Speaker 2: trouble because it's the ultimate boom or bust scenario. We
Speaker 2: call it the path of least resistance, Like you can't
Speaker 2: be sitting there and then trying to swim somebody because
Speaker 2: you swim them, you're widening the gap, and that's maybe
Speaker 2: what they want you to do. Sometimes you have to
Speaker 2: sit on that double. You have to constrict that gap.
Speaker 2: You gotta get the outside shoulder that man when he's
Speaker 2: trying to kick you out, you gotta push him back
Speaker 2: to make that gap smaller for the running back to
Speaker 2: go through. And knowing that if it bounces to your
Speaker 2: gap that you can release off of the block, arm
Speaker 2: over the elbow, come back, don't walk off the blocks,
Speaker 2: either rip off or swim off, and then make the tackle.
Speaker 2: So really, what it is is is that the defensive
Speaker 2: line routinely like takes the path at least resistance, and
Speaker 2: that's just not sound football. You may be able to
Speaker 2: do something special once because somebody fires out and miss you,
Speaker 2: and then you able to go make a tackle.
Speaker 3: And all that stuff.
Speaker 2: When you're talking about sixty or forty forty thirty five runs,
Speaker 2: it's gonna hurt you more times than not because for
Speaker 2: the one time you able to get it, it could
Speaker 2: be that pivotal play where they hit the head on
Speaker 2: the goal post.
Speaker 4: Do you think when we flip it to the other
Speaker 4: side of the ball, the jet's gonna have potential to
Speaker 4: score a lot of points in this game. We saw
Speaker 4: the offense take those steps in second half last week.
Speaker 1: Very encouraging.
Speaker 4: You talk about you still want to see more from
Speaker 4: Britestall in the run game, just more opportunities for him.
Speaker 4: But the past game is coming on with Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 4: You gotta figure the mini buy has helped him heal
Speaker 4: up some of those elements that he's dealing with in
Speaker 4: the lower half of the body. But Arizona got after
Speaker 4: Caleb Williams. The Bears offense is not the Jets offense.
Speaker 4: When you look at Arizona, does it start with their
Speaker 4: safety Buddha Bank and then you work your way from there.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean if Boodabaker is the key, like he's a
Speaker 2: dynamic player, he's a tough player. He's a guy that
Speaker 2: a blitz, but he also is a guy that understands
Speaker 2: spacing and he's a guy that's competitive in a run game.
Speaker 3: You know, he's not the biggest guy. He'll come down,
Speaker 3: he'll hit you.
Speaker 2: So they have to do a good job and identifying him,
Speaker 2: but also you have to you gotta attack him as well.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think if whenever, like whenever you're the
Speaker 2: best defender on their team. They're gonna think that our
Speaker 2: guy can get it done. So if you can find
Speaker 2: ways to isolate him and get him against your great players,
Speaker 2: whether it's Dvante Adams or Garrett Wilson or even Breis Hall,
Speaker 2: you want to try and explore him because if you
Speaker 2: can take his soul, then you can take the rest
Speaker 2: of the teams.
Speaker 4: Okay, what's a tougher game for the Jets right now?
Speaker 4: Arizona on the road or Indianapolis at home. We're gonna
Speaker 4: take Arizona here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll take it Arizona because you know, Joe Flacco
Speaker 2: got injured.
Speaker 3: We don't know what his health is going to be.
Speaker 2: They have a quarterback that doesn't have a lot of
Speaker 2: confidence right now, and Quentin and Anthony Richardson.
Speaker 3: So you want to be.
Speaker 2: Able to say, you know what, let's let's let's let
Speaker 2: the rook continue to struggle as getting his head. Let's
Speaker 2: make it difficulty if the boo birds come out. He
Speaker 2: was a guy that had, you know, unforgivable played the
Speaker 2: week before by you know, tapping out doing a pivotal
Speaker 2: third down as the quarterback to be taken out of
Speaker 2: the game and He took a lot of criticism for that,
Speaker 2: which automately led to his benching what.
Speaker 1: Do you make of the landscape right now?
Speaker 4: You've mentioned Steelers before, they're sitting there at six and two.
Speaker 4: You got the Ravens six and three, A half a game.
Speaker 3: Out now is who I worry about?
Speaker 4: Yeah, so the charge this is what I want to
Speaker 4: get to when we're looking at the Jets landscape. The
Speaker 4: Chargers are five and three, Denvers five and four, So
Speaker 4: there are two games up on you, basically two and
Speaker 4: a half. Because they beat you in your building.
Speaker 3: They're gonna play. They're going to play people though.
Speaker 4: Okay, you got the Colts at four and five and
Speaker 4: then Cincinnati at four and five.
Speaker 2: I don't I don't worry about Cincinnati since NXT four
Speaker 2: or five. I thought they was like, oh well okay,
Speaker 2: but they still have the Ravens twice, so I don't
Speaker 2: Thursday night, Yeah, so I don't worry about that. I
Speaker 2: think the Ravens knocked them out so they can lose
Speaker 2: seven right there, just playing the Ravens.
Speaker 3: I look at I look at really San Diego.
Speaker 2: I mean the Chargers, Los Angeles Chargers, because they're going
Speaker 2: to beat each other within that division because they both
Speaker 2: probably still have to play. I think they have to
Speaker 2: play Kansas City one more time, but then they also
Speaker 2: played each other. So Denver Denver schedule, I don't have
Speaker 2: enough in front of me. But it's no cakewalk. I
Speaker 2: still don't think that I still don't think that that
Speaker 2: the Stillers. I don't think the Stellers make it. You know,
Speaker 2: I'm bold on maybe thinking that the Stillers are going
Speaker 2: to lose maybe about six.
Speaker 4: You being on records saying that you think Pittsburgh's gonna
Speaker 4: come back to the pack.
Speaker 3: A little bit, Yeah, I think.
Speaker 2: I think when you look at their record now, like
Speaker 2: Jameis Winson gave us one good game, but he also
Speaker 2: gave us a bad game.
Speaker 4: Here are the games part that Jets fans will be
Speaker 4: paying attention to.
Speaker 1: Obviously, the Jets gotta win.
Speaker 4: We know that they gotta win, and they gotta get
Speaker 4: on a streak.
Speaker 1: They gotta stack them up.
Speaker 4: But in week time, you got Cincinnatia Baltimore Thursday night,
Speaker 4: you got Buffalo's playing at Indianapolis. He got Denver against
Speaker 4: the Kansas City Chiefs in Kansas City, Tennessee at the Chargers.
Speaker 1: And I also added this.
Speaker 4: One in there, even though Miami's behind you right now.
Speaker 4: But I thought they were interesting offensively.
Speaker 3: They should they should.
Speaker 2: Have won if Poorier winn and took it personal, did
Speaker 2: something stupid on thirty nine and gotta got a helmet.
Speaker 2: The helmet they would have been punting to them with
Speaker 2: them for a chance for the game winning field goal,
Speaker 2: opposed to giving them a first down and then losing.
Speaker 3: With a sixty sixty one year yard field goal, I believe, yep.
Speaker 4: And then we can love it Week of Love and
Speaker 4: you got the Broncos hosting and the Falcons. You got
Speaker 4: Cincinnati visiting the Chargers. That's gonna be a very good game.
Speaker 4: Colts at the Jets, and then Vegas at Miami. And
Speaker 4: then I'll just read week two. I'll just read Week
Speaker 4: twelve real quick. Detroite it, Andy Baltimore at the Chargers another.
Speaker 3: So you need to your room for the Ravens there.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 4: The Broncos at the Raiders, and then the Jets and
Speaker 4: the Bengals have buys in Week twelve.
Speaker 1: That's what's ahead the next three weeks.
Speaker 2: So just to kind of support what I've been talking
Speaker 2: about with the Stellers come off a boy, the Stellers
Speaker 2: got the Commanders, who's hotter than them. Then they have
Speaker 2: the Ravens. That could be two losses. Right there, they
Speaker 2: got the Browns. Let's say they beat the Browns. Right now,
Speaker 2: the Bengals are playing for their life, right, so let's
Speaker 2: just say they lose to the Bengals, right, So that's
Speaker 2: three losses. Then they got the Eagles, who's playing great.
Speaker 2: That could be four losses. Then they have the Ravens again,
Speaker 2: that's five losses. Then week seventeen, they got the kan
Speaker 2: City Chiefe. That's six losses in my opinion. And let's
Speaker 2: just say for Farx and Giggles that they beat Cincinnati
Speaker 2: and put Cincinnati out out of their misery. That's still
Speaker 2: that's still eight losses for them.
Speaker 1: Okay, so we're circling Pittsburgh.
Speaker 2: I don't think I don't think Pittsburgh would be favored
Speaker 2: and any of the games outside of the Cleveland matchups,
Speaker 2: I don't think they'll be favored against the Bengals, the Chiefs,
Speaker 2: the Ravens, the Eagles, or Washington. But you know, so
Speaker 2: that's a lot. That's a lot left. That's why I
Speaker 2: think they made that move because they knew they couldn't
Speaker 2: They needed to score points against those teams.
Speaker 4: Yeah, jetsay have a lot of ground to make up
Speaker 4: against everybody that's starting this week with an outer conference
Speaker 4: game against the Cardinals. I know a lot of people
Speaker 4: would say, Okay, if you're gonna lose one.
Speaker 2: We got time for that, bro, Like, we don't have
Speaker 2: a cushion where it's who you two. You're righty, lots
Speaker 2: of people you ain't supposed to lose to start with
Speaker 2: the Patriots.
Speaker 1: That's right, no cushion at all.
Speaker 4: Jets have to get to five and six by the
Speaker 4: bye and then see where they're at.
Speaker 1: Maybe they can get some help along the way.
Speaker 4: And like you mentioned before, when we look at the schedule,
Speaker 4: which is fun to do, we can do that. They're
Speaker 4: not doing that down that we can Yeah, yeah, they're
Speaker 4: not doing that downstairs. They know they just gotta win
Speaker 4: a game here coming up against the Cardinals. But as
Speaker 4: they get to five and six, and then you have
Speaker 4: some of these teams playing against each other, so ultimately
Speaker 4: you're gonna win no matter what the outcome is.
Speaker 1: So uh, it's all fun to take a look at.
Speaker 4: Right now, Kendrick Scott make a choice to see the
Speaker 4: good in every day. So let's call it three Jets
Speaker 4: who will shine brightest versus the Cardinals.
Speaker 2: Bart Scott, Well, this is one of the games where
Speaker 2: I think Hassan Reddick and his veteran savvy of always
Speaker 2: making sure that he stays outside and you know somebody
Speaker 2: else is doing the work on the inside, and he
Speaker 2: gets the easy sacks because he's just disciplined. So I
Speaker 2: think I think definitely Hassan Reddick his third game. It's
Speaker 2: hard to talk about his third game his second game
Speaker 2: because the second game was basically a short week, so
Speaker 2: that's really not a time where you can learn and
Speaker 2: get the preparation day because its a short week. I
Speaker 2: think this is a week where he shines. Also, this
Speaker 2: is a week where I'm really interested to see with
Speaker 2: all the criticism that Sauce is taken from his ability
Speaker 2: to tackle and make plays in a run game.
Speaker 3: You don't think that James Conner.
Speaker 2: Is going to make sure that he's trying to see
Speaker 2: him how bad Sauce really wants to tackle.
Speaker 3: But just from a.
Speaker 2: Body body composition standpoint, I'm just interested to see, like
Speaker 2: Sauce and Marvin Harris go against each other basically they're
Speaker 2: basically mirror images of each other.
Speaker 1: I like that.
Speaker 4: So you got to you got Sauce Gardner, you took
Speaker 4: Hassan Raddick.
Speaker 2: And I'm just gonna throw I'm just gonna throw Fashion
Speaker 2: out there, just because I think even if everybody comes
Speaker 2: back healthy, if ver Tucker's healthy, if Simpson's back healthy,
Speaker 2: I need to see Fashion in at that extra tight end,
Speaker 2: and I need to see that run game get busy
Speaker 2: because he's when you put him on the on the field,
Speaker 2: he's one of the better players on the field. So
Speaker 2: if you put him out there, you always find ways
Speaker 2: to get your good players out there. He can really affect,
Speaker 2: you know, the ability to get to the run game
Speaker 2: going because you're basically going with the extra guard or
Speaker 2: extra tackle. Whenever you decide to put him out there,
Speaker 2: you can. You don't have to you don't have to
Speaker 2: put him on the edge right, you can put him
Speaker 2: at right tackle, make Morgan Moses the tight end. And
Speaker 2: and now because so now he Morgan Moses is taken.
Speaker 2: Really you're helping Morgan. Yeah, So now the double team
Speaker 2: comes with Verry Tucker and Fashion new and he can
Speaker 2: work up to the second level to create all these
Speaker 2: vertical scenes, like most people feel like, oh, if you're
Speaker 2: going in as an extra tight end, he should go
Speaker 2: play tight end. No, just put Morgan Moses out there
Speaker 2: because you want that. You want that pit bull, that
Speaker 2: Rock Wilder grabbing that defensive end. Rather it's t J
Speaker 2: Watt or some high end guy and you can be
Speaker 2: the guy that helped. So, like, you know, the one
Speaker 2: thing we haven't gotten is the proper blocking, the blocking
Speaker 2: at the level that we need in this run game.
Speaker 2: You know, from the tight end position, well, fashion New
Speaker 2: has earned the right to be out there because he's
Speaker 2: been outstanding. You talk about being able to hold up
Speaker 2: in the passing game if you decide to make that
Speaker 2: a pass. Now you got four guys that can go
Speaker 2: out on the route, but you feel confident that you
Speaker 2: can be able to get some shots. I think one
Speaker 2: of the worst things, you know, one of the most
Speaker 2: disappointing things about this offense. With all the talent, they
Speaker 2: haven't been able to take shots, right. They ever take
Speaker 2: a shot on the Garrett Wilson wan, they ever take
Speaker 2: a shot with Devontae Adams. But I feel like, much
Speaker 2: like Russell Wilson, they saw it on the other end
Speaker 2: if you take you know, two to three shots every quarter.
Speaker 2: So it's three things that can happen. One thing is
Speaker 2: bad for the offense. Two things are bad for the defense,
Speaker 2: legal contact pass in affair, or they catch it. Like
Speaker 2: we know that if you can find a one on
Speaker 2: one anywhere, the odds of the receiver I mean the
Speaker 2: dB intercepting it is like zero to none. He may
Speaker 2: knock it down, but he's not going to go there
Speaker 2: where he's gonna try and make a play on it
Speaker 2: because if he misses, it's nobody behind him. And so
Speaker 2: but to do those things you need with the type
Speaker 2: of skill positions that we have. If you're able to
Speaker 2: create a lot of time for Aaron Rodgers, so gods
Speaker 2: can get open, he'll find an open matchup, especially if
Speaker 2: it's four out.
Speaker 4: Okay, so what Bart says, take your shots now? Remember
Speaker 4: his three stars to watch last week, three Jets that
Speaker 4: we're gonna shine brightest.
Speaker 1: Devontae Adams. I think he had seven catches for ninety
Speaker 1: one yards.
Speaker 4: Got an arizone you want, Quentin Williams, The key dialed
Speaker 4: up another second a half. The Jets had eight sacks
Speaker 4: and Quentinnin Williams was really coming into his own and
Speaker 4: you what, bres Hall and Brece Hall again get it
Speaker 4: done on the ground. So this week Hassan Reddick playing
Speaker 4: one of his former teams, so I'm sure he's going
Speaker 4: to be interested going back there showing Arizona what.
Speaker 1: They can be using.
Speaker 4: Uh you say, Sauce Gardner with that matchup against the
Speaker 4: former Ohio State star Marvin Harrison who had a fumble yesterday,
Speaker 4: So he's still a feeling out process for him.
Speaker 1: And then you are high on Olu fashion.
Speaker 3: Yeah, get him out there, make me look like Socrates.
Speaker 4: All right, brother, let's see Let's see it here at
Speaker 4: the complex on Wednesday.
Speaker 3: Sounds good.