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Speaker 1: My name is Jason gets Epsion and I'm Rosy Night
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Speaker 1: Of course. And the first thing we're gonna do is
Speaker 1: open up the airlock and get into your mailbag. Here
Speaker 1: we go. We are stepping out of the airlock, and
Speaker 1: we are opening up the flap on the beautiful bag
Speaker 1: of wonderful missives that we have received from you as
Speaker 1: we step into the blessed year of our Lord twenty
Speaker 1: twenty three. So let's just start. Let's start with John
Speaker 1: and Brett. John and Brett ask, do we get doomed
Speaker 1: before Fantastic four? Like a post credit in Quantumnia or
Speaker 1: something else? Who should they cast? Please you and Rosie
Speaker 1: vamp on the Good Doctor Rosie. This is an interesting question.
Speaker 2: I have thoughts, yes, so many thoughts. I truly do
Speaker 2: believe that there was a version of Wakanda Forever that
Speaker 2: would have ended with a Doctor Doom post credit scene.
Speaker 2: I believe that would have fit. I believe it makes
Speaker 2: sense with the more with the connections to Wakanda and
Speaker 2: you know, the now known as Talakhan. But so I
Speaker 2: do believe that we will see Doctor Doom before we
Speaker 2: meet the Fantastic Four. He's one of Marvel's most incredible villains,
Speaker 2: and Marvel Studios has never been able to make a
Speaker 2: movie with him in because of the licensing to Fox.
Speaker 2: So I think that's a character they can't get wrong
Speaker 2: and that they know could be their kind of next
Speaker 2: level fanos, this kind of overarching god Emperor Doom. He
Speaker 2: can be the ally who turns into a villain. He
Speaker 2: can be your average kind of sort of small level
Speaker 2: villain that you don't see coming that becomes this huge,
Speaker 2: omnipotent kind of foe. So I think I think we're
Speaker 2: going to see him. I would love to see him
Speaker 2: in Quantumania. Do I think he's going to be that soon?
Speaker 2: I don't know, what do you think.
Speaker 1: I don't think we see him proper in Quantumania, But
Speaker 1: I do think that the way they could introduce Doom,
Speaker 1: if they were going to do it, is like as
Speaker 1: an image in the background. We know that the version
Speaker 1: of Kang that we met and Loki was, you know,
Speaker 1: trying to keep the different malevolent versions himself from coming
Speaker 1: to the fore. I would imagine that this Kang, this
Speaker 1: may be more aggressive. Kang is also trying to keep
Speaker 1: different multiversal threats from threatening his power. And I would
Speaker 1: imagine that, like if he was telling Scott the story
Speaker 1: of how he came to be, he might mention some
Speaker 1: of these threats and we could see like an image
Speaker 1: of doctor Doom's mask, like in a computer screen somewhere. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I would be I would not I would
Speaker 1: not be totally shocked if that happened. And I think
Speaker 1: that's the way they do it. I think it's kind
Speaker 1: of quick because obviously casting like we don't know, I
Speaker 1: don't know how like, and I feel like, who knows,
Speaker 1: They're so good at keeping this shit quiet. But I
Speaker 1: also feel like if they had cast Doom by now,
Speaker 1: there would be something more than the kind of you know,
Speaker 1: Genior Carlo Esposido rumors and the Adam Driver rumors that
Speaker 1: are kind of out there, like we probably hear some
Speaker 1: pretty loud whispers. So in lieu of having like an
Speaker 1: actual cameo guest spot where you see him and don't
Speaker 1: hear his voice or hear somebody's voice that they've cast
Speaker 1: but we haven't had the news yet, I think that
Speaker 1: you'll just get a very very very small clue to
Speaker 1: the existence of Doom in the form of like a
Speaker 1: picture of his armor in the context of like all
Speaker 1: these other versions of Kang that that have existed throughout
Speaker 1: the multiverse and throughout time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that makes a lot of sense, especially
Speaker 2: if you think about how they introduced you know, Fanos
Speaker 2: in the original MCU. You have that incredible Damian Pointier ending,
Speaker 2: but he doesn't say anything, and then when they wanted
Speaker 2: to they could recost him. I still think it was
Speaker 2: a mistake, even though I love Josh Berlin. But you know,
Speaker 2: it would be easy for them to do a mosque
Speaker 2: you don't see who's behind it, you can get an implication,
Speaker 2: and then you can reveal this actually does lead to
Speaker 2: one of So they also wanted to know who it
Speaker 2: had cost. Right. This leads to one of my favorite
Speaker 2: things that I've been thinking about a lot.
Speaker 1: Tell me, so, William.
Speaker 2: Jackson Harper from the Good Place and Midsomer he got cast.
Speaker 2: He got cast in Quantamania. Now a lot of people
Speaker 2: were like, Oh, maybe he's gonna play Reid. I would
Speaker 2: love that casting. It's delightful, But I actually think I
Speaker 2: think he's gonna play Nathaniel Richards. I think he's gonna
Speaker 2: be Yeah. I think because I think that they're gonna
Speaker 2: go young for the Fantastic Four as much as my
Speaker 2: original fan casting that I did a couple of years ago,
Speaker 2: one nerdict was them older. It was like Keanu Reeves
Speaker 2: and and all these different kinds of people as older versions,
Speaker 2: because I like that story. But I think it's this
Speaker 2: is their next generation of heroes. I think they're gonna
Speaker 2: go young. So I think William Jackson Harper's gonna play Nathaniel,
Speaker 2: who obviously then you've got Kang being the descendant, and
Speaker 2: that sets up Black Read, which we kind of all
Speaker 2: thought was gonna be the route that they go. And
Speaker 2: I think that could be so cool because then you
Speaker 2: get to see these different generations of the Richards and.
Speaker 1: Just to quick download for those not first in the
Speaker 1: history of Kang and and Read and the fantasy for
Speaker 1: a marvel years. Nathaniel Richards is a descendant of Read
Speaker 1: Richards from the thirtieth century who board with the completely
Speaker 1: u topic and peaceful existence of the thirtieth century, decides
Speaker 1: to travel through time where he can get into some trouble.
Speaker 1: He finds a time machine. He goes back to ancient
Speaker 1: Egypt and becomes, you know, the predecessor of the person
Speaker 1: who then becomes Kang, starting the king journey basically, so
Speaker 1: if that is correct, do they cheat kind of? And
Speaker 1: do Jonathan Major's Read Richards? Is that a cheat?
Speaker 2: Is that one of the most Christians?
Speaker 1: I think that's on the tape.
Speaker 2: I think it's on the table. I'm interested, So I
Speaker 2: think one of my me and my my friend James,
Speaker 2: we have a lot of fantastic four thoughts, my oneful
Speaker 2: friend James, and we have some some fancst things that
Speaker 2: we do for our own fun. But one of the
Speaker 2: ones that really stuck with me for Doom that I
Speaker 2: think about a lot that I think could work really
Speaker 2: well with this is and it's unexpected because he's quite
Speaker 2: he's not a looming tall figure, but he's very serious,
Speaker 2: and I think you'd be very good. I think you
Speaker 2: could do a great John David Washington Doom. And I
Speaker 2: like that. I like the idea of having this Fantastic
Speaker 2: four and Kang kind of storyline become this unexpected space
Speaker 2: for all these incredible black actors in the MCU, especially
Speaker 2: because you know, Kang is not I love Kang, but
Speaker 2: he's not particularly like well known character. And Jonathan Major's
Speaker 2: has already brought so much gravitas and kind of texture
Speaker 2: and weirdness to that role, so I'm expecting them to
Speaker 2: kind of follow on and do unexpected casting. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I love I love thinking about who they're going to
Speaker 2: cast as doctor Doo. My original fan cast that I
Speaker 2: did was Keanu is an older read Richards who'd been
Speaker 2: stuck in the negative zone. And then young doctor Doom,
Speaker 2: who is going to be Adam Driver, who now isn't
Speaker 2: really that young. But I do think Doom Adam Driver
Speaker 2: is like, that's a really interesting casting just because of
Speaker 2: how great he was as Kylo Wren. He bought so
Speaker 2: much weird, strange emotion to that that I think Doom
Speaker 2: has obviously Mage Michelson. That's like the iconic Doom casting
Speaker 2: that I think a lot of people kind of immediately
Speaker 2: jump to their heads.
Speaker 1: I like all of those. I like the g and
Speaker 1: Carlo Esposito kind of like rumor that is out there.
Speaker 1: I do. Let me ask you this because this is
Speaker 1: something I've been thinking about, what Kang's coming first, right
Speaker 1: before or any of the Fantastic Four, before Doctor Jiam, etcetera.
Speaker 1: What I've been wondering about the relationship between Kang and Doom, like,
Speaker 1: is does care you know, we know understand that Kang
Speaker 1: has been, at least the Kang that we met in
Speaker 1: Loki existed to kind of keep the multiverse pruned and
Speaker 1: kind of streamlined in order to keep the rise of
Speaker 1: various versions, more warlike versions of himself from coming to
Speaker 1: the fore. I've been wondering if along those lines, Kang
Speaker 1: is not like in this kind of multiversal struggle against
Speaker 1: Doom as well, like he's trying, like, yeah, I not
Speaker 1: trying to keep Doom from showing up.
Speaker 2: I think that's a really interesting take, and I wish
Speaker 2: I could remember. For the life of me, I do
Speaker 2: not remember whether this was my close friend somebody who
Speaker 2: DMed me something I read online. I saw an absolutely
Speaker 2: wild theory that leans into that, which is like the
Speaker 2: MCU as we know it is basically God Emperor Doom's
Speaker 2: version of the Marvel Universe that.
Speaker 1: He is a controlling and then the mindful.
Speaker 2: It would be so crazy, right, And then you have
Speaker 2: the idea of Kang basically trying to undo the MCU
Speaker 2: because he wants to get it out of Doom's control.
Speaker 2: I think that's so wild, but absolutely love it. And
Speaker 2: I feel like we're going into a world now where
Speaker 2: it's we don't know what's going to happen. But I
Speaker 2: think I think that the nature of Kang being someone
Speaker 2: who is so many different people, so many different versions
Speaker 2: of a person, so many different iterations, that leans into
Speaker 2: the empathetic That means there are versions of him who
Speaker 2: want to do the right thing. And so I think
Speaker 2: pitting him against Doom and they'm almost being kind of
Speaker 2: equals in power is very interesting and I think quite likely. So,
Speaker 2: you know, I think that the way they do the
Speaker 2: quantum realm in the MCU is very similar. We've talked
Speaker 2: about this before, you know, to the negative zone. So
Speaker 2: I think that there's a big chance that there's already
Speaker 2: been some kind of If Kang has lived every life
Speaker 2: and every multiverse possible, he's probably already met doom.
Speaker 1: Oh for sure. I mean the thing that so when
Speaker 1: you reference God and Purdum again for us who don't know,
Speaker 1: this is, uh, this is the doom that after the
Speaker 1: kind of collapse of all the multiverses, molded reality in
Speaker 1: the image that he wanted and basically controlled the universe
Speaker 1: for the period of time that is that is shown
Speaker 1: in the crossover event, the Secret warst crossover event, the
Speaker 1: Higman's version of the Secret Wars Crossover event. And man,
Speaker 1: I think it would be I think it's too much
Speaker 1: of all this didn't happen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's too much of it was a dream.
Speaker 1: But it's also like it's also really man, that would
Speaker 1: be incredible if they did it right, if they if
Speaker 1: it was you know, because like they've kind of gestured
Speaker 1: at least at the time runs out storyline and the
Speaker 1: kind of collapse of all the multiverses. We saw that
Speaker 1: in Doctor Stranger of the Multiverse of Madus and some
Speaker 1: other kind of like little snipbets of imagery where you
Speaker 1: see like galaxies, this image of galaxy and these incursions. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the actual usage of the term incursions, which sets up
Speaker 1: the time runs out storyline, I mean that is that
Speaker 1: is kind of there. I do wonder if I wonder
Speaker 1: if we're gonna get incursions before we get Doom, or
Speaker 1: if they're gonna set up if we're gonna see Doom
Speaker 1: before we actually get incursions. I'm not sure they even know,
Speaker 1: but like that, there's a lot of pathways to get
Speaker 1: to Doom. And there's also the like to your point,
Speaker 1: let's say they go young with the fantastic forecasting. Do
Speaker 1: we see them? Do we see like a more down
Speaker 1: to earth just kind of not run of the mill,
Speaker 1: but a more standard comic book Baddie Doom in his
Speaker 1: early evolution, you know, post the scarring, post read Richards,
Speaker 1: you know, from Doom's perspective, reads Meddling in his experiment,
Speaker 1: He's got this. Maybe they're both like tech bro guys,
Speaker 1: and that.
Speaker 2: Does sound like the easy way to go. I hope
Speaker 2: they do something a little bit different. But I do
Speaker 2: think I do hope that. I think now that I mean,
Speaker 2: in the much maligned fan for stick as we call it,
Speaker 2: because the logo had a four in the middle for
Speaker 2: some unknown reason. The most recent Fantastic Four movie, you know,
Speaker 2: they did it that Doom was like a Hacker, which
Speaker 2: actually was like kind of even felt dated then. But
Speaker 2: I think that that idea, that is the thing that
Speaker 2: gives me the biggest hope for them being slightly aged
Speaker 2: up is because we've already seen the young Fantastic Four
Speaker 2: done and it didn't necessarily coalesce in the way people
Speaker 2: would have wanted, even though obviously like Michael B. Jordan
Speaker 2: as Johnny Storm is like icon level casting. Yeah, but yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm very interested to see the route that they go.
Speaker 2: And I think that's the biggest question when it comes
Speaker 2: to casting, is are we seeing are the Fantastic Four
Speaker 2: going to be aged up? They already exist, they've you know,
Speaker 2: a long time. This is what I was saying. I
Speaker 2: used to say it when I worked in the comic shop.
Speaker 2: I'm still saying it now. I had always wanted a
Speaker 2: you know, back then it was like Taika way Titi
Speaker 2: and he's directing a sixties Fantastic Four movie where they
Speaker 2: get thrown into the future and it's a fish out
Speaker 2: of water story. Those rumors are now going around that
Speaker 2: that might be what happens, in which case they already
Speaker 2: have to be established, and we do have the X
Speaker 2: Men as the young heroes potentially coming into the MCU.
Speaker 2: But I still think, why wouldn't they want twenty year
Speaker 2: olds so they can still be doing it in twenty years?
Speaker 2: You know, that is really how long these franchises go
Speaker 2: on for. So I'm intrigueded to see which way.
Speaker 1: I kind of also think that my senses that you know,
Speaker 1: if we see some version of a Fantastic Four origin story,
Speaker 1: we might not see Doom until like the second Fantastic
Speaker 1: Four movie, or it might be some version ofcientists make
Speaker 1: an amazing discovery a dimension that scientists are calling the
Speaker 1: negative zone has.
Speaker 2: Been exactly.
Speaker 1: And then they open it up, right then they open
Speaker 1: it up, and who comes out but Doom and and
Speaker 1: it's the Fantastic Four's job is to be, like, is
Speaker 1: to try and stop people from from accessing the negative zone.
Speaker 1: But but it's too late.
Speaker 2: I mean, I I just quickly say, I do think
Speaker 2: that's one of the most interesting things about Quantumania. I
Speaker 2: feel like within a month, when we've seen it and
Speaker 2: we're talking about it, we're going to know a lot
Speaker 2: more because the what we've seen in the trailer is
Speaker 2: Cassie essentially creates a portal that opens up the quantum realm,
Speaker 2: and then that is a problem, which is a very
Speaker 2: negative zone storyline. So I think we'll really see how
Speaker 2: much of those analogies are purposeful, homages, coincidental, useful, or
Speaker 2: actually concrete kind of you know. The tagline for the
Speaker 2: new post do they released for the quantumanea post do
Speaker 2: they released today said, uh, I think it's like welcome
Speaker 2: to a dynasty. Obviously that makes us think of the
Speaker 2: Kang dynasty, but it could also be talking about the Richards.
Speaker 2: It could be many things, so it's very exciting times.
Speaker 1: Well, let's get to Kang. Jasmine asks do you think
Speaker 1: we'll see a version of Kang and Loki season two
Speaker 1: or will we just be teased with the whole season?
Speaker 1: I want more Jonathan Majors. She also asks secret invasion question,
Speaker 1: what's your bets on? The undercover scroll reveals over under
Speaker 1: two good questions. Okay, first, Kang, I think we you
Speaker 1: know it's a good question. Is is Jonathan Major is
Speaker 1: gonna be too busy? It certainly makes sense that I
Speaker 1: think that there's a way to do it, and I
Speaker 1: think they gestured at it with you know, when Loki, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, steps out into whatever reality he's currently in,
Speaker 1: he sees this huge statue of Kang. I think there's
Speaker 1: a way to do it in which Kang is this
Speaker 1: shadow that is like falling over the entire season without
Speaker 1: actually seeing him. And I kind of think that that's
Speaker 1: what they're gonna do, and they will save Jonathan Majors
Speaker 1: for the movie What are your.
Speaker 2: I think basically almost exactly the same as you. I
Speaker 2: think you really hit the nail on the head. The
Speaker 2: only thing I will say, I think is the wild
Speaker 2: card and the kind of hopeful bright light for us
Speaker 2: is who loved Jonathan Majors is that the first season
Speaker 2: of Loki had that standout Bottle episode that was really
Speaker 2: focused on Kang and that really worked. It went down
Speaker 2: really well, people loved it. So maybe there's a potential
Speaker 2: that we get this kind of reflection of that where
Speaker 2: we get the shadow of Kang the whole time and
Speaker 2: then the one episode. And it might be in the
Speaker 2: middle because you're learning about this universe's version of Kang
Speaker 2: where he is Kang the Conqueror, or it might be
Speaker 2: at the end again. But I think there's there's potential
Speaker 2: for maybe an episode, but I don't think he's going
Speaker 2: to be our villain of the week, sadly because I
Speaker 2: would love to see it.
Speaker 1: What do you think about Jasmine's second question question?
Speaker 2: So many people asked us about scrolls, so I still
Speaker 2: think you're one hundred percent right, Maria Hill, he is
Speaker 2: a scroll. Jesus, We're just saying it. If they don't
Speaker 2: do it, that's gonna be like the best fake out ever.
Speaker 2: Are the scrolls? Are the scrolls? I think that is
Speaker 2: quite likely that the Contessa Valentina di Allegra Fontaine is.
Speaker 2: I like her.
Speaker 1: I also like her for a scroll. I worry that
Speaker 1: it would be a little a little bit of the
Speaker 1: same kind of beat if Maria Hill is also a scroll,
Speaker 1: but I like her for that.
Speaker 2: Maybe it's like you have if you if they get
Speaker 2: into they're getting into every high part of the government
Speaker 2: and society. You have val who's now like the leading
Speaker 2: the CIA or something, and then you have Maria, who's
Speaker 2: trusted within sword, you know. So they're kind of hitting
Speaker 2: both both segments. Who is who's our big hero gonna be?
Speaker 2: I've always been the Jeremy Renner is a scroll, but Eva,
Speaker 2: I think they could use.
Speaker 1: It to out some soon Jeremy.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, get well soon, Get well soon. But I yeah,
Speaker 2: who is if you were gonna pick one big hero
Speaker 2: that they wanted to say, Oh, this person's been a
Speaker 2: scroll for five years, who would it be?
Speaker 1: Hank Pim.
Speaker 2: Oh that's a good one, and that could have big
Speaker 2: ramifications if they have easy access to the quantum realm. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's such a hard question.
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like there's gonna be one, maybe
Speaker 1: not one, but like a point seventy five average of
Speaker 1: characters from each kind of group, like from Cosmic, from
Speaker 1: Spy Marvel, from exactly Wakanda Marvel. So I think there'll
Speaker 1: be one in each, Like I think Long Wo would
Speaker 1: be shocking, Like it's not out of the question to me.
Speaker 2: If Wong so Bucky Bonds, I think is like a
Speaker 2: solid choice. What I will say is I will say
Speaker 2: that the thing that's hard to comprehend, and I think this,
Speaker 2: once the scrolls are in the MCU, people will understand it.
Speaker 2: It's hard to comprehend how much of a big deal
Speaker 2: it was when they were like peace, they're all scrolls.
Speaker 1: Like it was huge.
Speaker 2: It was huge. It was The reason it was huge
Speaker 2: is because their behavior they had been there for so
Speaker 2: long that you never knew. And that's actually because editorial
Speaker 2: decided to do it. There was no seven years of
Speaker 2: seeding thinking that, oh these people were scrolls. But in
Speaker 2: the MCU. That's why I think it's so hard, because
Speaker 2: we have yet to really comprehend the fact that if
Speaker 2: a scroll has been there, they will have learned all
Speaker 2: the patterns, they will have behaved they that's why you
Speaker 2: would believe. So it could be wrong, it could be bucky.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go with I'm going to say that no
Speaker 2: scrolls ever got into Wakanda. That was the rule in
Speaker 2: the comics, which was like you know, see Wakanda and
Speaker 2: die that like great three three issue run by Jason Aarron. Like,
Speaker 2: so I'm going to say scrolls never made it to Wakanda.
Speaker 2: But that doesn't mean they couldn't have taken someone over
Speaker 2: outside of Wakanda and had them be a on out
Speaker 2: in the world, you know. So yeah, I think who
Speaker 2: is a scroll was a big question that we got,
Speaker 2: and I think that's gonna be very interesting to see
Speaker 2: how much we find out in secret Invasion because honestly,
Speaker 2: that's a TV show, but Marvel has not been afraid
Speaker 2: to draw big, shocking things within the world of TV.
Speaker 1: This one is kind of cheating because it's plucked from
Speaker 1: the comics. But as we saw at the end of Hawkeye,
Speaker 1: Linda Cardellini aka Laura Barton is Mockingbird. Is the NCU
Speaker 1: non ABC Shield version of Mockingbird, right, and Mockingbird's returned
Speaker 1: to the comics after many many years being dead. Was
Speaker 1: in Secret Invasion when we realized that they had kidnapped
Speaker 1: Bobby and taken her to fucking scroll space wherever to
Speaker 1: hold her prisoner. And it works, it goes, it translates
Speaker 1: directly to TV. You know she's already worked. I would shot.
Speaker 2: Is a legit great call. Yeah, because one we all
Speaker 2: know that Linda Cardellini was gonna be made for bigger
Speaker 2: things than being Hawkeye's wife. You don't cast her as
Speaker 2: Hawkeye's wife. And then we found out she's Mockingbird. I
Speaker 2: think her being a scroll and then seeing the fallout
Speaker 2: of Hawkeye having to.
Speaker 3: Realize he's been sleeping next a scroll but doing crazy
Speaker 3: missions in the hawkyed TV show, putting his family at risk.
Speaker 2: To get back this watch for a scroll, for a scroll,
Speaker 2: you know what? Okay, So my biggest hope for scrolls is,
Speaker 2: you know, Secret Invasion. It's great, the super scroll that's
Speaker 2: like a whole other thing because we need to get
Speaker 2: into the Fantastic Four before we can see a super scroll.
Speaker 2: But my biggest wish is will three D Man be
Speaker 2: in Secret Invasion? Will three D Man be involved in
Speaker 2: the comics Three D Man, who is just the weirdest,
Speaker 2: weirdest classic like seventies Marvel character first appeared in Marvel
Speaker 2: Premiere thirty five, created by Roy Thomas, who truly must
Speaker 2: be raking in the cash right now because they are
Speaker 2: going through his back Cat and Jim Craig, and he
Speaker 2: has three D glasses, right, magical three D glasses, but
Speaker 2: the way that they're used in especially Secret Invasion, but
Speaker 2: throughout the history of his comics with the scrolls, he
Speaker 2: can see who scrolls are. And one of the coolest
Speaker 2: parts of Secret Invasion is like he just walks into
Speaker 2: this room of heroes and he's like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: what are you talking about? And he's like, they're scrolls,
Speaker 2: They're literally scrolls. I would love to see him come
Speaker 2: into this Scroll storyline at some point because it's just
Speaker 2: such a fun character. But it will be interesting to
Speaker 2: see because I feel like Secret Invasion was so huge
Speaker 2: in the comics, and fig he keeps saying, this is
Speaker 2: like an intimate spy thriller, So I don't we don't
Speaker 2: know how much impact it's gonna have. But yeah, I
Speaker 2: think I think those are great best And I think
Speaker 2: you're that mocking You're always great with these scroll predictions.
Speaker 2: The Mockingbird. That's my new favorite, even above Maria Hale.
Speaker 2: I think I think that's a great one.
Speaker 1: You mentioned Bucky Barnes. We talk about Hank Pim, who's
Speaker 1: not certainly not necessarily like a top line Avengers leg.
Speaker 2: He does have powers.
Speaker 1: He does have powers, and he's been very important to
Speaker 1: the to the evolution of the MCU and has been
Speaker 1: running secret missions, you know, since the sixties. But like,
Speaker 1: if there was one non Bucky Barnes top level current
Speaker 1: living or dead, which would open the door to like
Speaker 1: them coming back living or dead, like MCU character who
Speaker 1: is a scroll, who do you think it could be?
Speaker 2: Okay, if you're saying Bucky Barnes.
Speaker 1: Is a good guess, Bucky Barnes is a good guest.
Speaker 2: I like Bucky Barnes, living or dead. I think, yeah,
Speaker 2: the cruelest and most likely because the who loves him.
Speaker 2: I would say in my head, my choice would be
Speaker 2: like Captain America's scroll. I think that's so interesting, But
Speaker 2: the reality I think is like Tony Stark, the Miraculous
Speaker 2: News of Oh my god, Tony Stark wasn't actually dead,
Speaker 2: Like he's actually been in cryostasis this whole time, and
Speaker 2: he comes back and he becomes this huge figure in
Speaker 2: this icon once again. But he's actually a scroll that's
Speaker 2: incredibly bleak and amazing and would be very interesting because
Speaker 2: you could have some great storylines with the characters within
Speaker 2: the MCU, like Peter, who would just know for some
Speaker 2: reason he just knows, or Pepper just knows, and you
Speaker 2: kind of have this war between wanting to imagine that
Speaker 2: he's back and not, and I'm sure that Robert is
Speaker 2: dreaming of a way to find his self back in that.
Speaker 1: I mean, it would like just in terms of what
Speaker 1: we know about the scroll's powers, like the suits would work,
Speaker 1: like it would read his DNA as Tony Stark, he
Speaker 1: would read his brain waves as Tony Stark. You could
Speaker 1: do a thing where it's like they took Tony to
Speaker 1: space and then whatever scroll took over Tony with the
Speaker 1: idea that oh, I'm gonna, you know, uh uh bring
Speaker 1: down humanity from the inside study. But then he falls
Speaker 1: in love with being a hero and he does all
Speaker 1: the right things.
Speaker 2: A scroll was at Tony Stark's funeral. You know, okay,
Speaker 2: well this one, this one's really out there. So one
Speaker 2: of my all time favorite theories that I first remember,
Speaker 2: the brilliant Joshua yelle ign we were talking on like
Speaker 2: the Captain Marvel set visit. This is so long ago
Speaker 2: about what became one of my ultimate favorite theories, which
Speaker 2: is the kid from Iron Man three who got to
Speaker 2: keep one of the suits becomes Iron Lad, Right, that's
Speaker 2: like the dream. So they're saying at the moment I
Speaker 2: spoke to that kid, I interviewed him once five GN
Speaker 2: and he was just that was his dream, was that
Speaker 2: he could get to play Iron Lad and kind of
Speaker 2: go through that role. That seems unlikely now because you know,
Speaker 2: Kang is iron Lad is Kang. So it's like, would
Speaker 2: they cast a white person would hardly be the right choice.
Speaker 2: But what if that kid is the scroll and the scroll,
Speaker 2: who was at the funeral? Who gets the suit? Now
Speaker 2: that's what I'm talking about. Bring that kid back. Fake
Speaker 2: us out. People thought that iron the whole point of
Speaker 2: that original Young Avengers brilliant, you know, Jim Chung stuff is.
Speaker 2: You thought that they were all analogues for established characters,
Speaker 2: but they were actually secretly kind of nothing to do
Speaker 2: with them. And Iron Lad was was, you know, revealed
Speaker 2: to be Kang. But I love this idea that they
Speaker 2: could fake us out by being like, oh, he's gonna
Speaker 2: be Iron Lad, He's going to be this young new
Speaker 2: hero with this suit on. But really he's a scroll.
Speaker 2: So I'm like, that's my one. Bring bring back the
Speaker 2: kids from Iron Man three, and he can be a scroll.
Speaker 2: He was at Tony's funeral? Why was he there? Nobody's
Speaker 2: seen him for a long time.
Speaker 1: I have one more and then we'll move on. This
Speaker 1: is this is a this is a this is Timfoil.
Speaker 2: Were doing it with Tim Foylan, Yeah, we're doing it.
Speaker 1: Fuck it, but uh, Matt Murer love it, Daredevil. Here's
Speaker 1: the reason being this first of all new to the MCU, right,
Speaker 1: so kind of a good inflection point to try something
Speaker 1: like that. Two he as we saw in Shee Hulk
Speaker 1: because of who he is, the skill set he has,
Speaker 1: the fact that he's a lawyer plugged into all these
Speaker 1: kind of like different superhero concerns. He can go take
Speaker 1: a meeting with the Avengers, he can go take a
Speaker 1: meeting with Doctor Strange, he can go take a meeting
Speaker 1: with with whatever, you know, with a government, and he
Speaker 1: would be in it, would have access to a lot
Speaker 1: of information. If the idea is like, you know, I
Speaker 1: can and also have idea with the Marvel Underworld. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so like there'd be that opportunity to kind of like
Speaker 1: he'd be perfectly positioned in a kind of spy role
Speaker 1: if he indeed was a s girl. I don't think
Speaker 1: that's the good.
Speaker 2: Being, but I love that idea. And I will say
Speaker 2: that that does link to one of your best predictions,
Speaker 2: which was that Kingpin is a scroll, hence why he
Speaker 2: now has these six superpowers.
Speaker 1: I love that one.
Speaker 2: So I'm like everyone in Dead was a scroll. Everybody's
Speaker 2: a scroll. Baby. When Secret Invasion comes out, you guys
Speaker 2: are gonna be sick of us saying the word scroll
Speaker 2: because we're all scrolling, scrolling, scrolling, scrawling'.
Speaker 1: I mean to be honest with you, the only one
Speaker 1: that I am like one hundred percent sure of is
Speaker 1: Mura Hill. Yeah, and kind of honestly like, I feel
Speaker 1: like Laura bart is a scroll.
Speaker 2: I feel like Laura Barton Now I'm the Laura Barton
Speaker 2: believed just.
Speaker 1: Because of it, just because like in the comics, that's legitimately.
Speaker 1: How they reintroduced Bobby Morrison to continunity was like, oh
Speaker 1: she did. She actually didn't die. She was just in
Speaker 1: space with the scrolls.
Speaker 2: So we're gonna move it on to the X Men.
Speaker 2: It's time one of our all time favorite topics.
Speaker 1: You know, we rarely talk about it. Wait, we never
Speaker 1: get to talk about that.
Speaker 2: Why do Yeah, this is a really great question. Ryan asks,
Speaker 2: do you think Marvel would be best at introducing the
Speaker 2: X Men slowly? One character at time light? They introduced
Speaker 2: the Avengers star with a standlo beast movie that introduced
Speaker 2: Gene Gray, slow play Wolverine, et cetera. I feel like
Speaker 2: everyone is always speculating how they'll introduce the X Men
Speaker 2: instead of a slow, methodical universe building, maybe after a
Speaker 2: Secret Wars reset question Mark, Well, guess what, Ryan, this
Speaker 2: is our number one favorite topic.
Speaker 1: How well they introduced.
Speaker 2: Jason, how do you think they'll introduce the X Men
Speaker 2: to the MCU, Well.
Speaker 1: I think that they will do it. I think the
Speaker 1: slow play is happening now. I do too. I agree
Speaker 1: the slow pl Like we're seeing the slow play both
Speaker 1: with you know, the reveals that happened in Wana Vision,
Speaker 1: with the you know various characters Miss Marvel who have
Speaker 1: been referred to actively as like having mutations or being mutants.
Speaker 1: We saw again in Doctor Strange Multiverse amnnas. And so
Speaker 1: I think that slow play is happening. We're already getting
Speaker 1: familiar with the idea that people are just born with
Speaker 1: power for whatever reason, and it's a mute and it's
Speaker 1: due to mutation. And I think when we when it
Speaker 1: does come time for the X Men, I think it'll
Speaker 1: happen all at once. I think we'll get him all
Speaker 1: at once. I do think the one outlier, and we've
Speaker 1: said this, we both talked about this a million times,
Speaker 1: the one possible outlier being Wolverine, who you can see
Speaker 1: existing in MCU continuity right now. And since like the
Speaker 1: nineteen twenties or whatever, you know, like they it's the
Speaker 1: original Super Soldier program was involved. This guy named Logan,
Speaker 1: who is like a Canadian mutant who they experimented on.
Speaker 1: This became Weapon X and it was like an offshoot
Speaker 1: of Super Soldier. And he's been like in either in
Speaker 1: cryostasis or they wiped his mind, and he's been running
Speaker 1: all kinds of secret missions. And I think when they
Speaker 1: do introduce the X Men in a non interdimensional way,
Speaker 1: much like the Eternals, it's going to be and Wakan
Speaker 1: and nay more and talkon, it's gonna be all at once.
Speaker 1: They've been hiding in plain sight. There's a school upstate.
Speaker 1: It's a school for gifted youngsters, but actually it's a
Speaker 1: school for superhero superpowered beings. They haven't gotten involved in
Speaker 1: the various fights going on because they don't trust humanity.
Speaker 1: They can kind of see where this is going. They
Speaker 1: might have any number of characters who can actually see
Speaker 1: the future and are saying, listen, we're going towards a
Speaker 1: bad place. If you reveal yourself, We're already going towards
Speaker 1: a bad place. But if you actually reveal yourself during
Speaker 1: it's going to be so much false fantus. But yeah,
Speaker 1: between when the Thanos stuff is happening, when whenever fight
Speaker 1: is happen when the battle in New York has happening.
Speaker 1: If you reveal yourself, then we're going to get to
Speaker 1: that post apocalyptic, you know of genocidal time for the
Speaker 1: mutants a lot quicker. So don't reveal yourself. And I
Speaker 1: think I think they basically are around right now and
Speaker 1: they're just hiding your thoughts.
Speaker 2: I think so too. I also think something that I've
Speaker 2: been thinking about a lot. I think I think you're
Speaker 2: one hundred percent right. I think we've seen it with
Speaker 2: the kind of reversion of Kamala back to her original origin,
Speaker 2: which was that she was going to be a mutant,
Speaker 2: and this kind of hint. I mean, she lives in
Speaker 2: New Jersey. It would be so easy for her to
Speaker 2: go to a school that was kind of upstate to
Speaker 2: see the way things go down. I think you're one
Speaker 2: hundred percent right. They're seeding it now. What I think
Speaker 2: is very interesting is the timing of and look, these
Speaker 2: schedules shift, right, But what we know right now is
Speaker 2: that Phase five kind of Secret Wars phase this kind
Speaker 2: of you know, twenty twenty four onward situation. And they
Speaker 2: did it. They did they did a very interesting ad
Speaker 2: in you know, India, that was like Cassie saying, where
Speaker 2: are we in Quantumania? And it was like phase five there, right.
Speaker 2: But I think it's very interesting that Deadpool three, which
Speaker 2: we know is going to include Logan, is coming out
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty four, which is going to be within
Speaker 2: this kind of Secret Wars phase, and I think that
Speaker 2: is very telling. We don't know what it means for
Speaker 2: Deadpool and Logan to be in the MCU. I've already
Speaker 2: positioned my theory that Deadpool's there to kill all the
Speaker 2: Fox characters and Logan's potentially helping out.
Speaker 1: I fucking love it what it is, I will write it.
Speaker 1: I absolutely love.
Speaker 2: Like you know, phase five from now to kind of
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four. I think that is very interesting. And
Speaker 2: I think that we could see Deadpool and Wolverine as mutants,
Speaker 2: as potential members of a multiversal X Men team, so
Speaker 2: they understand that the X Men already exist, even if
Speaker 2: it isn't public here. I think we could see be
Speaker 2: a way that they start to really see those words
Speaker 2: and characters and phrases, even if it's just a touch
Speaker 2: of it. And then I do believe that we would
Speaker 2: probably with that movie coming out when it is supposed
Speaker 2: to come out. I believe we will probably see that
Speaker 2: version of Logan and Depool whenever the big Secret Wars
Speaker 2: kind of battle, at least in a cameo phase. Who
Speaker 2: will the other mutants be when when we start to
Speaker 2: see you know, Storm, who I believe is kind of
Speaker 2: your nowadays, that's your primary X men that you want
Speaker 2: to introduce first. I don't know. That's the thing that
Speaker 2: I find most interesting. My one big prediction that we've
Speaker 2: talked about before that I think is true, is I
Speaker 2: think that post you know, this kind of multiverse phase,
Speaker 2: the multiverse saga, I think it's going to be the
Speaker 2: mutant saga, if any saga multiverse saga, mutant saga. I
Speaker 2: think that is. It makes sense.
Speaker 1: It kind of makes the most sense in that the
Speaker 1: mutants in the MCU gives you access to like an
Speaker 1: untapped mine of stories. Obviously it's a whole round in
Speaker 1: the Fox in the Fox Verse, but you could do
Speaker 1: them again in a better, more streamline.
Speaker 2: So we never got more lots. You know, there's so
Speaker 2: many different kind of We've seen so many characters, but
Speaker 2: you know, we've never had a definitive Bishop storyline. You know,
Speaker 2: one of the best mutants in the world.
Speaker 1: Of course people have been, which people have been? People
Speaker 1: can't wait for Bishop?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the I want bishops so badly, you know
Speaker 2: he I loved.
Speaker 1: What a scum. I need that scumbag in my life.
Speaker 2: Right, we need. I loved the glimpse that we got
Speaker 2: in Days of Future Past, and I felt like there
Speaker 2: were things that were done there that were very interesting,
Speaker 2: but we didn't get to expand on them. So I mean,
Speaker 2: I just I think about all the different teams that
Speaker 2: we could see, all the different teams that we love
Speaker 2: that are now being brought back to life, Excalibur, new Mutants,
Speaker 2: like these teams that meant so much to us when
Speaker 2: we were kids, X Factor, you know, X Force. There's
Speaker 2: so it's a whole. It's almost I feel like the
Speaker 2: stage where these movies could step out of the MCU
Speaker 2: and it becomes an entirely different I guess.
Speaker 1: Now that puts us several years off, and I think
Speaker 1: that that's probably what it's going to be. I will
Speaker 1: also say that I think that in addition to all
Speaker 1: the kind of seedings that we've seen, you know, Nay More,
Speaker 1: et cetera, like all the things that we just mentioned.
Speaker 1: I do think that, and we talked about this some
Speaker 1: weeks ago when we discuss AXC, the Judgment Day crossover
Speaker 1: event that just finished up in Marvel Comics, written by
Speaker 1: Kieran Galen with art by a number of artists including
Speaker 1: Valerio Shitty, that the Eternals your internal favorites, Do you
Speaker 1: kind of give us the most currently existing straight lined
Speaker 1: shot towards the X Men, because you could just say,
Speaker 1: because you know, in that crossover event, the Eternals or
Speaker 1: a faction of the Eternals are pitted against the Mutants
Speaker 1: because it turns out that the mutation is actually a
Speaker 1: form of a deviation. They're actually deviants by another name.
Speaker 1: In fact, deviants can take the Cocohen Gates telling you
Speaker 1: that genetically they're extremely similar. So I think that there's
Speaker 1: a world in which the Eternals, the mission of the Eternals,
Speaker 1: brings them into direct conflict with this thus far hidden
Speaker 1: sect of deviants that we can then can be then
Speaker 1: revealed to be mutants. I think that that is kind
Speaker 1: of our most direct straight line shot towards mutants in
Speaker 1: an earlier timeframe than kind of I think so too,
Speaker 1: especially that's happening now.
Speaker 2: The Krakoa stuff has been so popular and has really
Speaker 2: reignited the X Office in a way we haven't seen
Speaker 2: for a long time. So I wouldn't be.
Speaker 1: Surprised a long time if.
Speaker 2: As an old school lifelong like middle aged almost at
Speaker 2: this point, like X Memban, it blows my mind to
Speaker 2: imagine that Krakoa wouldn't be too weird for them to
Speaker 2: put on screen. But I feel the easiest, simplest direct
Speaker 2: line to what we already have, So I wouldn't be
Speaker 2: surprised if if we saw them start taking from that era.
Speaker 1: Well, it's the problem that we talked about that we've
Speaker 1: talked about so many times before, which is that you
Speaker 1: can introduce them a million different ways. But the issue
Speaker 1: is the crux of the mutant drama is that the
Speaker 1: world does not accept them. Maybe they're hated and feared,
Speaker 1: and there's been multiple very successful attempts at wiping them
Speaker 1: out as a race that have happened in Marvel comics.
Speaker 1: And without that kind of drama and tragedy, you kind
Speaker 1: of don't have the mutants. You need to hate it
Speaker 1: and feared. Now again, I think they're seeding it again,
Speaker 1: as we saw with Damage control and the UH and
Speaker 1: the prison that that we visited during Miss Marvel. I
Speaker 1: think that that's there, you know, with Sword and the
Speaker 1: kind of the way they're kind of pivoting Sword to
Speaker 1: kind of study sentient computers, potentially giving us an entrede
Speaker 1: to sentinels of the sentinel programs. I think they're seating
Speaker 1: all that stuff, But we need to hated and feared
Speaker 1: before the mutants. Like I'm with you, it'd be they
Speaker 1: could certainly say, oh, here's Crocoa and here's all the
Speaker 1: mutants and they've been hiding here, and it's but I
Speaker 1: think that it wouldn't have the same impact unless you
Speaker 1: get the MCU writ large to a place where people
Speaker 1: with powers are feared and mutants in particular are hated, feared,
Speaker 1: despised to the point where people would be just kind
Speaker 1: of okay with somebody going to try and wipe them out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're absolutely right on that front, and
Speaker 2: that's like the biggest conflict. Also, again, I know it
Speaker 2: gets like this every time one of the MCU movies come,
Speaker 2: because we're like so excited about what the implications could be.
Speaker 2: But again, I think Quantumania could set us even closer
Speaker 2: to that path where if Kang or whoever gets out
Speaker 2: of Cassie's you know, quantum kind of teleportation conversation device
Speaker 2: that she created, which, by the way, somebody should have
Speaker 2: stopped her because that was a really stupid idea. Ah,
Speaker 2: But like that, opening that space to the quantum realm,
Speaker 2: introducing different kinds of powered characters who did not get
Speaker 2: their powers from military suits or military experiments or the
Speaker 2: accepted ways in the MCU, are more cosmic empower who
Speaker 2: are more reminiscent of, say a Thanos. I could definitely
Speaker 2: see a route where Kang comes to our universe in
Speaker 2: the role of a benefactor who wants to help but
Speaker 2: is treated as if he is a villain like Thanos,
Speaker 2: and that can stoke that fear and also create a
Speaker 2: conflict between Kang and his hopeful ally Paul Rod, who,
Speaker 2: by the way, I saw walking down the street in
Speaker 2: Sampedo this week filmingo reshoots, happy cheeky additional photography in
Speaker 2: that same comic shop.
Speaker 1: What do you think that means?
Speaker 2: Honestly, this is very interested.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing, this is not uncommon, right reshoots. Reshoots
Speaker 1: are very very common, particularly in these kind of franchise movies,
Speaker 1: both on the DC side and the Marvel side. But
Speaker 1: it is quite late in the game, and I don't
Speaker 1: know for a fact that this is the latest reshoots
Speaker 1: that we've seen. I guess it does come out in
Speaker 1: so it's I guess asual, right. I guess like Avengers,
Speaker 1: the Schwarma scene was kind of like quick and dirty
Speaker 1: and very close to release. But what do you think
Speaker 1: it means?
Speaker 2: So so the scene that I saw them shooting, because
Speaker 2: it was just in my neighborhood. I was just wandering
Speaker 2: around and they were they were doing a shot of
Speaker 2: him going going into the coffee shop, and we saw
Speaker 2: the same character actor he was outside who was in
Speaker 2: the coffee shop. So maybe expanding on that scene, because
Speaker 2: I think people really liked it with the Spider Man joke,
Speaker 2: Maybe it's an end sequence where he goes back and
Speaker 2: they thank him and they get his name right. That
Speaker 2: seemed like something that would make.
Speaker 1: Sense to me.
Speaker 2: Also, I did think the trailers, which looked amazing and
Speaker 2: completely wild and very spy kids, which is always a
Speaker 2: compliment in my opinion, I did think they were lacking
Speaker 2: on the traditional ant Man jokes. Ant Man is very
Speaker 2: much the comedic kind of going back to Phase one
Speaker 2: type movie, So I'll be very interested to see if
Speaker 2: maybe it was punch ups. It was additional photography. They
Speaker 2: also were shooting in this very outrageous like classical restaurant
Speaker 2: that's kind of it, called the Jay Tranny's. I saw
Speaker 2: them shooting outside, so I'm very interested to see what
Speaker 2: that would be because I don't believe we've seen anything
Speaker 2: in or around there. So yeah, and it was again
Speaker 2: they were shooting. They were shooting San Francis. I'm pro
Speaker 2: for San Francisco, so it's set, it's still there. It
Speaker 2: could have also just been easier to shoot here than
Speaker 2: going back to SF. But yeah, additional photography a month
Speaker 2: before the movie.
Speaker 1: I'm intrigued.
Speaker 2: There's a new trailer coming out quite I.
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Speaker 1: Let's continue with with the fox verse conversation you mentioned Deadpool.
Speaker 1: Edward asks a deleted stinger from Deadpool tool, Deadpool two,
Speaker 1: Deadpool Travels, What did I say, dead Pool too? Dead
Speaker 1: Pool Travels Deadpool two, which is the French version of
Speaker 1: Deadpool two. Deadpool travels back in time with the attempt
Speaker 1: to kill a baby Hitler at the end of Avengers endgame.
Speaker 1: Cap is you know, famous for socking Hitler and the Jaw,
Speaker 1: travels back in time to restore the Infinity Stones and
Speaker 1: learn to dance. If Cap gets wind of Deadpool's plans,
Speaker 1: does he jump back in time to help Deadpools or
Speaker 1: does he stop him? Do the ensuing hijinks cause the
Speaker 1: Fox Universe and the MCU to full inner on with
Speaker 1: each other. A asks a similar question, just asking basically
Speaker 1: how the Fox movie characters and the MCU characters and
Speaker 1: the MCU in general could interrelate your thoughts.
Speaker 2: So I will say I like this theory very much.
Speaker 2: He's very smart. But I'll tell you one thing I
Speaker 2: know about Captain America from the end of the Infinity Saga.
Speaker 2: He didn't he wasn't gonna change shit.
Speaker 1: He literally let everything.
Speaker 2: Else happen so he could just dance with his little girlfriend.
Speaker 2: He left behind his best friend, Inverted Commas, who he
Speaker 2: had literally caused an in the International Incident for, and
Speaker 2: then he was just like, peace out, Bucky, see you later.
Speaker 1: And then I gotta get there. I gotta meet a
Speaker 1: girl for a day.
Speaker 2: He literally allowed every single terrible thing to happen from
Speaker 2: the fifties to now and he didn't do any single thing.
Speaker 2: He did not change anything. So I believe, you know what,
Speaker 2: in that context, because he's not very good, he probably
Speaker 2: would have stopped their because he would have been like, well,
Speaker 2: this is the one thing I do have to change.
Speaker 2: But I I do not believe that Cap going back
Speaker 2: for that dance will be what causes the universes to fold,
Speaker 2: though I do think there is a very very very
Speaker 2: very very good argument that that is the easiest way
Speaker 2: to explain it, because that whole thing is just the
Speaker 2: timeline is so messy, and the idea that he could
Speaker 2: go back and not change anything is it doesn't make
Speaker 2: sense with the interior logic of the movies.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, do we with a cap
Speaker 1: of it all? To me, the biggest bump with Cap
Speaker 1: going back and just like living in a in a
Speaker 1: a life of you know, of romance with his beloved
Speaker 1: is that he wouldn't tell anyone that shield is actually Nazis.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you that shield like that. Do we one
Speaker 1: day find out that he tried that cated some kind
Speaker 1: of fucking splinter universe somewhere else?
Speaker 2: Did he kiss his own blood relation niece? Is that
Speaker 2: who Sharon Carr is because I don't understand. Also, like,
Speaker 2: how did he go back in time and live a
Speaker 2: peaceful life? So was does that mean that the other
Speaker 2: version of Captain America was the entire time going through
Speaker 2: time and being Captain America, because then he must have
Speaker 2: just stayed in the house whole time. It's very confusing.
Speaker 2: I hope he did try to tell someone about Shield,
Speaker 2: because that's really messed up. I will also ask you.
Speaker 2: One of my asked a really fun thing, which was like,
Speaker 2: how do what's your dream team up of a Fox
Speaker 2: character and an MCU character. What's yours?
Speaker 4: Oh gosh, wow, you know I would this is kind
Speaker 4: of recency bias.
Speaker 1: But Logan and cap finding Yeah, classics, this is this
Speaker 1: is agel, this age old pairing in the comics. But
Speaker 1: finding out that they have a history somehow in World
Speaker 1: War Two, you know, and some of the stuff that
Speaker 1: we didn't see in Captain America First Avenger, their past crossed.
Speaker 1: Maybe he was part of the Howling Commandos. Everybody thought
Speaker 1: he died. Maybe they ran some maybe they were you know,
Speaker 1: when when the US Military Command realized the kind of
Speaker 1: impact that Captain America had, maybe they pull him out
Speaker 1: for a weekend and pair him with this shadowy agent
Speaker 1: named Logan who's maybe from Canada, maybe from somewhere else.
Speaker 1: They send them, they send them on some secret mission
Speaker 1: love doy whatever. But I think those two together, there's
Speaker 1: just there's just a lot of there's a lot of
Speaker 1: possibilities there along those similar veins. You know, at this point,
Speaker 1: nay War is the oldest, you know, the oldest character
Speaker 1: in the MCU and ends. We know that Logan is
Speaker 1: like one hundred Oh gosh, he would be like what
Speaker 1: one forty Yeah, at least hundred and forty five years
Speaker 1: old something like that, right. I think there's a world
Speaker 1: in which those two could have could have crossed paths.
Speaker 1: What about you?
Speaker 2: Oh, I think this is such a fun question. So
Speaker 2: my I have some like immediate, like funny ones that
Speaker 2: I would love to see for gag answers, which is like,
Speaker 2: I'd love to see our you know, our amazing Kamala
Speaker 2: Kahan meet Wolverine that's like her favorite in the comics.
Speaker 2: I'd love to see a Logan, a cranky Logan Wolverine
Speaker 2: and a Kamala who knows him somehow. That would be fun. Also,
Speaker 2: I think now Tom Holland is more of age, and
Speaker 2: the character is of age. You know, I would like
Speaker 2: to see that Ryan Reynolds Tom Holland, Deadpool Spider Man.
Speaker 2: There's like such a fun and flirty, weird, cheeky dynamic.
Speaker 2: But on a if I was gonna pick one thing,
Speaker 2: just because this is kind of a cheat, because I
Speaker 2: really just want these characters to be in the MCU.
Speaker 2: I would want to se Kamala go to the school
Speaker 2: up state, and for all of Laura Kinney and the
Speaker 2: new Mutants that they basically established, like Richter and everyone
Speaker 2: from that brilliant kind of phase of Logan, I'd love
Speaker 2: to just see them there. I felt like that group
Speaker 2: of kids was one of the most exciting kind of
Speaker 2: possibilities that we never got to explore. So that would
Speaker 2: be my real one. But I think the other two
Speaker 2: are a little bit more likely.
Speaker 1: One possibility also, and we've talked about it before, and
Speaker 1: this might be too much hat on a hat with
Speaker 1: all the multiple stuff and erasing realities that have already happened.
Speaker 1: But I also think that there is there's a path
Speaker 1: where Charles Xavier made everybody forget oh, definitely Mutants. I
Speaker 1: think all the shit happened. You know, various sentinel pograms
Speaker 1: have happened. You know there have been you know, the
Speaker 1: the shit back in the sixties in X Men First
Speaker 1: Class actually happened. But then Charles Xavier was like, you
Speaker 1: know what, this is too much fucking trouble. I just
Speaker 1: want to raise my kids, my child soldiers in peace.
Speaker 1: I am gonna hook myself up to Threebro and just
Speaker 1: because I am so fucking powerful, I'm gonna make everybody
Speaker 1: for he's evil and he does.
Speaker 2: He's evil. Charles, as we know, he has that side,
Speaker 2: and he has gene hooked up to like a sabribro
Speaker 2: like in a coma. Just doing it constantly, that would
Speaker 2: be so bleak, But I do. I feel like Charles
Speaker 2: has it in him. I love that.
Speaker 1: I would love.
Speaker 2: If there's one character I'd love to see them bring
Speaker 2: back and do something really unexpected with it is James
Speaker 2: Marsden as Cyclops, because like I'm not a Psyclone didn't dirty,
Speaker 2: but they didn't. He didn't dirty. And imagine if he
Speaker 2: I always thought the coolest thing to do with Cable
Speaker 2: because that's Scott's Summer's son. Just in case you didn't know,
Speaker 2: that makes a lot of sense. I always thought it
Speaker 2: would have been really cool if they cast Marsden as
Speaker 2: Cable as well, but like grizzled him up. But seeing
Speaker 2: as we have you know, Josh Brolin Cable, I would
Speaker 2: love to see that version of Scott come back and
Speaker 2: they do something along the lines of that, like psychic
Speaker 2: Romance with Emma that they did in New X Men.
Speaker 2: You know, I would love to see a kind of
Speaker 2: aged up down a Scott, because I think that's the
Speaker 2: most interesting Scott. But you know how they will introduce
Speaker 2: the Fox characters or or get rid of them. We
Speaker 2: are probably the only people who are talking about it
Speaker 2: more than the Marvel studios, because they are talking about
Speaker 2: it every day. I swear to God that this must
Speaker 2: be the conversation.
Speaker 1: Okay, last one, uh magic Iliana Resputina and said, doctor Strange,
Speaker 1: Doctor Strange, just wandering around the canyons of the magic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is like a bad addece of casting. Bring
Speaker 2: her in.
Speaker 1: Y just happens upon the realm that is ruled by I.
Speaker 1: I love that or gets a gets a hint of
Speaker 1: this powerful magic figure with this gigantic sword out there,
Speaker 1: and maybe that gives us that would be a cool
Speaker 1: pairing as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, shall we do Uh, let's let's just Spidey. Okay,
Speaker 2: Anthony asks, and Anthony uh submitted this question multiple times,
Speaker 2: so thank you. We gotta do it. Yeah, how is
Speaker 2: Spider Man going to be incorporated into the MCU going forward?
Speaker 2: He's too big of a character in Marvel history, with
Speaker 2: interactions with so many of the remaining heavy hitters in
Speaker 2: today's MCU. They can't just have him be forgotten because
Speaker 2: of a spell. We've got so much history with him
Speaker 2: and Strange Dead Evil, the Fantastic Four, Fury Sam as
Speaker 2: Cap Miles. You know, we hope he shows up soon,
Speaker 2: which I think we can also addam. I was gonna say,
Speaker 2: let's let's add that on to the end of this question,
Speaker 2: because we've got a lot of people like Gloria asking
Speaker 2: about Miles, and I will say, I think the most
Speaker 2: important thing to remember about the spell, which is easy
Speaker 2: to forget because there was a lot going on in
Speaker 2: that movie. Yeah, people know who Spider Man is. They
Speaker 2: know that Spider Man exists. They just do not know
Speaker 2: that Peter Parker is Spider Man, and they basically essentially
Speaker 2: wiped the memory of Peter Parker out kind of cosmically
Speaker 2: of everyone who is in that universe. They're will likely,
Speaker 2: as we have talked about before, be an exception. There
Speaker 2: will be someone who is off planet, there will be
Speaker 2: someone who remembers him potentially, so Spider Man is going
Speaker 2: to be there. The big question is how does Spider
Speaker 2: Man have personal interactions with these characters when so many
Speaker 2: of their relationships were based on the fact that he
Speaker 2: was this young hero who wasn't afraid to show them
Speaker 2: his face, who was sweet, who had this hot on
Speaker 2: all these personal things. That was what made him beloved
Speaker 2: in the Avengers. That was how he you know, with
Speaker 2: his little pajama suit, like those were the memories people have.
Speaker 2: So the question is, does Spider Man now become this
Speaker 2: kind of almost like a lone wolf hero who people
Speaker 2: are like, oh, he's so enigmatic, none of us know
Speaker 2: who he is, and when does that get broken? And
Speaker 2: I do think that I've spoken about this before, like
Speaker 2: we've chatted about on the pod, but I do think
Speaker 2: that his role right now actually helps us seed Miles
Speaker 2: because it essentially makes him a figurehead instead of a person,
Speaker 2: and it'll buy a miles.
Speaker 1: Imagine what a huge emotional moment it's gonna be when,
Speaker 1: potentially upon Peter's mortal wounding at the hands of one
Speaker 1: of his great enemies, the spell is broken, and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, people remember who Peter is as he's
Speaker 1: like laying dying because he's gonna die. So I just
Speaker 1: think that there's gonna I think there's gonna be a
Speaker 1: massive emotional impact when they break that spell, and I
Speaker 1: think it's probably gonna be as we say goodbye to
Speaker 1: Tom Holland and the MCU. I think what they're gonna
Speaker 1: do is go to the kind of in air quotes,
Speaker 1: kind of classic mid eighties and nineties Spider Man's stories
Speaker 1: working at the beauty, you know, the version of the Bugle.
Speaker 1: He's gonna he's gonna be get an adult job.
Speaker 2: You can kind of in the most classic Spider Man setup.
Speaker 2: He's in a shitty content. He needs to get a job.
Speaker 1: That's it.
Speaker 2: He doesn't have like Tony Stark paying for him. It's
Speaker 2: almost the New Origin story, which I loved.
Speaker 1: That's exactly where I'm going. He's gonna he's gonna get
Speaker 1: a job working for j Jon and Jamison, who's gonna
Speaker 1: be a fucking complete asshole right around and he's going
Speaker 1: to be scuttling around trying to get some money. Maybe
Speaker 1: he's gonna date, Maybe he's gonna run into a jewel
Speaker 1: thief lady who all of a sudden he has some
Speaker 1: like romantic sparks. There is many, but he's gonna.
Speaker 2: Be poker is a ladies man.
Speaker 1: Is the polite eighties and nineties Peter was a fucking
Speaker 1: heart throb.
Speaker 2: So I think that that's potential of interests, and I
Speaker 2: think those will kind of think.
Speaker 1: I think that that's where we're going to go, is
Speaker 1: the kind of classic eighties and nineties Spider Man stories
Speaker 1: where he's, you know, a young adult guy with a job,
Speaker 1: just trying to balance paying the rent with doing Spider
Speaker 1: Man hijinks. Meanwhile, everybody's like, who the hell is Spider Man?
Speaker 1: We have no idea. I also will say that I
Speaker 1: think that I think when they reconfigure the Avengers, he's
Speaker 1: also he's going to be part of whatever the new
Speaker 1: Avengers team is when they finally put that team back together.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's all. That's that's the way it's
Speaker 2: going to go down. Also, I'm very interested, what do
Speaker 2: you think before we get to Miles, because I do
Speaker 2: think that's the biggest outstanding question in the MCU, pretty
Speaker 2: much above anything else. Do you think I think that
Speaker 2: we will see them do a version of the Black
Speaker 2: Suit Spider Man stuff with Tom, with the little bit
Speaker 2: of the venom that has been left by Tom Hardy,
Speaker 2: Good old Tom Hardy.
Speaker 1: There, you know, he'sa he is served as Heggy sent
Speaker 1: him back to his own.
Speaker 2: You know, the Symbia test tube you see where he
Speaker 2: can jump around and eat some lobsters. What do you
Speaker 2: think do you think we'll see it with Tom? I
Speaker 2: think that could be very cool, but it has been
Speaker 2: done obviously so iconically in Spider Man three that it's
Speaker 2: now come back around to people loving it. I love
Speaker 2: that movie. But or do you think they'll do something
Speaker 2: different where we would see Flash get it and you
Speaker 2: get that different version of venom, or you would see
Speaker 2: you know, maybe they go straight to a more planet,
Speaker 2: you know, planet Symbia, kind of like multiple different symbios
Speaker 2: existing in the MSU. Maybe they want to venomize everyone
Speaker 2: they love to do that in the comics. What do
Speaker 2: you think because the Symbia being there and Peter not
Speaker 2: being Peter and kind of publicly known as Peter I
Speaker 2: think is that's leading somewhere.
Speaker 1: I think you give it. I think the Symbia can't
Speaker 1: be in the MCU without being drawn to Peter. Considering
Speaker 1: the origins of the Symbi it you know, in the
Speaker 1: in the Sony version of the universe, right, it knew him,
Speaker 1: it knows him. It's gonna that's great to him. So
Speaker 1: I kind of think logically, there's kind of it makes
Speaker 1: I know they've done it before, but they've done it
Speaker 1: before in an alternate universe, and I think that Symbia
Speaker 1: is going to seek Peter out.
Speaker 2: It wouldn't be to see like a a more that
Speaker 2: I love Spider Man three, but you know, someone who
Speaker 2: didn't love venom is is Sam Raimi's not a huge bang.
Speaker 2: I'd love to see a real spooky, cool, weird version
Speaker 2: and you have Peter having to go through that himself
Speaker 2: because he doesn't have that support base, and then you
Speaker 2: could establish your primary venoms. I mean, I'm very interested
Speaker 2: the implications of No Way Home. Who does and doesn't exist?
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, they kind of said you have
Speaker 2: Norman and he's like, wherever is my son? You know,
Speaker 2: and there's decided that Norman doesn't exist in that universe, Norman,
Speaker 2: but does he like? Those are the characters I think
Speaker 2: we could see and that kind of eighties and nineties
Speaker 2: more classical Spider Man as we imagine him from that era.
Speaker 2: I think those are the big questions. Which villains are
Speaker 2: now going to appear in the MCU, Who has suddenly
Speaker 2: have been there the whole time? Or who he meets
Speaker 2: at college, you know, his little friends.
Speaker 1: I will say one more thing. Symbia may be the
Speaker 1: only person that remembers Peter Parker.
Speaker 5: Oh, because it's technically like a human, not technically a
Speaker 5: human from a different universe, from a different universe remembers
Speaker 5: Peter Parker, but not this one.
Speaker 1: And I think that there. I think there's a lot
Speaker 1: of ways around. I think there's a lot of ways
Speaker 1: around the spell through the Symbiate.
Speaker 2: I love that.
Speaker 1: And it just makes so much sense that he's going
Speaker 1: to seek Peter out. It just makes too much sense
Speaker 1: to me that he would do it.
Speaker 2: Okay, and you're you're like, one line pitch like, how
Speaker 2: Miles will make it into the MCU.
Speaker 1: He did just what you said. He inspires Miles towards
Speaker 1: wanting to be this person who makes a difference in
Speaker 1: the way Spider Man makes a difference, and it's and
Speaker 1: it's the death of Peter Parker that that propels him
Speaker 1: on his journey. And like, that's one of the most
Speaker 1: impactful deaths in Marvel comics, in the Ultimate Universe. It
Speaker 1: is just it it's crushing, it's inspirational, it's amazing.
Speaker 2: It's just so many great interactions for Miles too, and
Speaker 2: great relationships.
Speaker 1: And I think he gotta do it again. Snot Olstad asks,
Speaker 1: can Cody Zigler reveal whose idea it was to return
Speaker 1: Miles to his classic costume for his new run. I've
Speaker 1: got zig cemented on my pull list, but the streetwear
Speaker 1: suit was the best Miles suit of all time. Let's
Speaker 1: go to zig himself for the answer.
Speaker 6: You know what snot. This may shock you, and this
Speaker 6: may even surprise you, but your boy Cody Zigler had
Speaker 6: absolutely no say in selecting Miles's return to his classic costume.
Speaker 6: I also, I was also a really big fan of
Speaker 6: the streetwear suit designed by Chase Conley, fantastic illustrator and
Speaker 6: and and comic comic artist and obviously designer in his
Speaker 6: own right. Funny enough, when that suit was first sort
Speaker 6: of being voted around. I mean, I got an email
Speaker 6: from Nicko Low, who's the head editor for the Spider Offices,
Speaker 6: just like sort of getting he wanted to get like
Speaker 6: my take on on the suit update, and it is
Speaker 6: I think, I wrote back, It's like, this is one
Speaker 6: of the coolest things I've ever seen. The version that
Speaker 6: eventually they they ended up landing almost a little bit
Speaker 6: more simplified than the one that I originally saw but
Speaker 6: and gave notes on. But if you go to Chase
Speaker 6: Conley's Twitter or Instagram, uh, they've had They've they've posted
Speaker 6: their original designs for it. You can see it's got
Speaker 6: these really cool like straps like techwar tech worl like
Speaker 6: straps and stuff on the suit. That didn't really make
Speaker 6: it to the wards, the final version, because I believe
Speaker 6: they were concerned that it'd be too complicated for artists
Speaker 6: to keep drawing that every time it's like a huge
Speaker 6: action scene, which I get. But also, you know, part
Speaker 6: of me, if you know anything about me, I'm a
Speaker 6: huge streetwear fan, So I was a bit bummed about that.
Speaker 6: But yeah, that was that's the that was like the
Speaker 6: practical reason. But I think from like a story standpoint
Speaker 6: or like a narrow standpoint. You know, a lot of
Speaker 6: this arc that I'm going to be writing is about
Speaker 6: sort of starting a new status quo and starting things
Speaker 6: over and Miles going back to his roots. So I
Speaker 6: think thematically it it, it makes sense. But you know,
Speaker 6: maybe there's a way I can weasel my way into
Speaker 6: getting have that's that his his his last suit pop
Speaker 6: up again and some future stories because I am a
Speaker 6: big fan of it and a big fan of Chase
Speaker 6: to begin with. So Stott, I hope that answers your question,
Speaker 6: and thanks for reading, and I hope you continue to enjoy,
Speaker 6: enjoy the Miles story.
Speaker 2: We're going back back to wester Ross, one of Jason's
Speaker 2: favorite Let's goe.
Speaker 1: I love it there. I love it there. I don't
Speaker 1: know what to say. I love it there.
Speaker 2: It feels like you're going back on a nice vacation.
Speaker 2: Bailey asks, Oh, this one you're going to go deep on.
Speaker 2: This one is Adam of Hall and then an equals
Speaker 2: sign Lena possible question and if not, do you think
Speaker 2: House of the Dragon will revisit Lena at all?
Speaker 1: I my initial reaction, and this is how I still
Speaker 1: feel when I when this theory started popping up is
Speaker 1: that it would be it would be maybe too confusing
Speaker 1: to bring lane Or back as Adam fall. So, Adam
Speaker 1: of Hull is a bastard of drift Mark, uh, one
Speaker 1: of the so called dragon seeds. This is I should
Speaker 1: add spoilers for House of the Dragon seasons two, three
Speaker 1: and beyond, so as the need for dragon becomes more pressing.
Speaker 1: Thus the search for people with Valerian lineage is launched,
Speaker 1: and one of the people they find is Adam of Hull,
Speaker 1: who is one of the so called dragon seeds, a
Speaker 1: bastard fathered by some member of the Valerian lineage who
Speaker 1: has just been running around Driftmark. You know how much
Speaker 1: they love brothels and stuff. And then he becomes a
Speaker 1: dragon writer, also writing c Smoke of course Lenor's former dragon.
Speaker 1: He becomes a quite an important figure in the middle
Speaker 1: of this world. I think it would be how would
Speaker 1: you hide it from people? I think that lane Or
Speaker 1: is too notable a person for it to work. But
Speaker 1: I think that there, man, if you could really crack
Speaker 1: the code on how it could work, it would be
Speaker 1: pretty fucking amazing. But I don't. It just feels like
Speaker 1: it's just the fact that there was never even a
Speaker 1: whisper in the histories.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: The reason the Leynor reveal the fact that he was
Speaker 1: not killed and he actually survived and escaped. The reason
Speaker 1: it has such an impact is there's no hint of
Speaker 1: that in the histories, in the various tellings of that history,
Speaker 1: most notably Fire and Blood, which tells us that no
Speaker 1: one even thought of it. There was never even a hint,
Speaker 1: There was never even a rumor that. Hey, and there
Speaker 1: are lots of examples throughout Westrss's history of people pretending
Speaker 1: to be other people coming back as other people saying, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm actually this person, but they're not. You know, in
Speaker 1: Dance of Dragons, there's currently a egon targarian running around
Speaker 1: who everybody is calling Fagon because pretty bunch people are
Speaker 1: pretty convinced that he's not actually a targarian. This happens
Speaker 1: a lot in that world. And the fact that nobody
Speaker 1: the facts not mentioned that text tells me that nobody,
Speaker 1: even you know, had a hint of it, which kind
Speaker 1: of suggests to me that Lenor is not Adam of
Speaker 1: hult Adam Vlais.
Speaker 2: It's like it would have to be the slickest, most
Speaker 2: fool proof transformation. It has to be a.
Speaker 1: Really great way of doing like he's all scarred up,
Speaker 1: something happened to him over there in SLOs where he
Speaker 1: looks like a different guy and nobody even has a
Speaker 1: hint of it. And and even to the point, because
Speaker 1: I think that obviously, I think, you know, I think
Speaker 1: Corliss and Sray niece would act, would react very very
Speaker 1: negatively to the realization that their son shirked all responsibilities
Speaker 1: and fled. So if they did do it, he would
Speaker 1: have to hide his identity from certainly his parents and
Speaker 1: everyone but Nira, like he would just it would just
Speaker 1: have to be and and damon, it would just have
Speaker 1: to be the most tightly guarded secret. That's the only
Speaker 1: way to do it.
Speaker 2: And Bailey has a very import and follow up question,
Speaker 2: do you think you'll ever say kaiban in the style
Speaker 2: of Grandmaster Paisel on X ray Vision?
Speaker 1: Do you?
Speaker 2: And have you ever said kaiba as in the Crystal
Speaker 2: from Star Wars in that way like I do it right.
Speaker 1: Now, Kibra kaiba kila crystal crystal? Uh? Has I have
Speaker 1: said kaiburn in just a natural conversation ever since recording
Speaker 1: those those sound bites, years ago, and I continue to
Speaker 1: enjoy doing it and thanks for thanks for bringing it up. Bailey.
Speaker 1: Josh asks I'm reading through Gamers Norman's books for the
Speaker 1: first time, currently on book five, Dance the Dragons and
Speaker 1: Faltering because I'm scared six and seven will simply never
Speaker 1: see the light of day. Welcome to the very, very
Speaker 1: populated club. Any encouragement you can give me would be appreciated.
Speaker 1: Ha ha ha. Do you want to start off with
Speaker 1: any encouragement on why should continue? You know what?
Speaker 2: I would say, this is such a hard question, especially
Speaker 2: when the book series is probably the most famously currently
Speaker 2: unfinished book series in the world, to the point where.
Speaker 1: It's like.
Speaker 2: I would just say, I would just say just enjoy
Speaker 2: each book as you go. One, these books are very long. Two,
Speaker 2: if you like me and Jason, you can reread them.
Speaker 2: And three the books exist in a vacuum outside of
Speaker 2: whatever comes afterwards. And I would just say that if
Speaker 2: you're enjoying them, read them, take a little break if
Speaker 2: you want. And also, you know what, just trust George.
Speaker 2: He says he's going to finish him, so I'm like,
Speaker 2: let's just take him at his word. He's put this
Speaker 2: world together he spent decades creating it.
Speaker 1: He says he's been on a great streak of writing lately,
Speaker 1: so I don't know. I remain hopeful even as I
Speaker 1: realize as I hear myself say that that that sounds crazy,
Speaker 1: I would say, and I completely agree with you, Rosie.
Speaker 1: I would say, Josh that I don't know where you
Speaker 1: are in the book, so I need to be careful
Speaker 1: right saying stuff. But there are moments, and I guess
Speaker 1: I'll mention that Wyman Manderley, the Lord of White Harbor,
Speaker 1: is involved in the most notable of these. There are
Speaker 1: moments in A Dance of Dragons that had me at
Speaker 1: the edge of my seat because I could finally feel
Speaker 1: like the story was turning towards something of a resolution.
Speaker 1: And there is an incredible Wyman Manderly's speech in that
Speaker 1: book that to this day I will break out and
Speaker 1: reread because I think it's so good. There's like just
Speaker 1: some really really wonderful moments and it listen, it is
Speaker 1: disheartening to realize that like it's like basically stuck at
Speaker 1: like season five of Gave It Throws, like that's where
Speaker 1: we've been stuck for like twelve years. But I think
Speaker 1: there's some incredible, incredible like sun breaking through the clouds,
Speaker 1: moments in a dance of dragons that if you've come
Speaker 1: this far, are absolutely worth seeing through and listen again.
Speaker 1: I remain hopeful. I remain hopeful, hope we'll find a way.
Speaker 1: I also believe that you know that they're in a
Speaker 1: cynical sense. There is no kind of media entity currently
Speaker 1: in existence that is going to leave hundreds of millions
Speaker 1: of dollars on the table. Those books will come out.
Speaker 1: Will George write them, that is the question. How will
Speaker 1: they be created is the question. But those books are
Speaker 1: going to come out one way or another. I know
Speaker 1: George has said that he doesn't want that to happen.
Speaker 1: I guess cynically, I feel like that's just one of
Speaker 1: those things that is going to happen. Those books will
Speaker 1: come out, they will be and if George doesn't write them,
Speaker 1: which I think he will again, I remain hopeful they'll
Speaker 1: be based off his notes something like that. And I
Speaker 1: certainly think I remain I know that I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: roasted for this. I remain ninety seven percent sure that
Speaker 1: we will see Wins of Winter ninety seven percent. I
Speaker 1: believe we will see it what year? Q four twenty
Speaker 1: twenty three.
Speaker 3: Hopeful Mom, Hopeful Mom, Holiday Holiday twenty twenty three.
Speaker 1: Okay, moving on, Maddie asks what would your dream mission
Speaker 1: to see on the upcoming season of The Bad Batch,
Speaker 1: which the first two episodes are out now, and I
Speaker 1: think they're great.
Speaker 2: They're really great.
Speaker 1: I think they're really really strong.
Speaker 2: This is just such a delightful show. I love these characters.
Speaker 2: For me, really, thing centering around Omega. I've always been
Speaker 2: a huge kind of character kids, sidekick person, and I
Speaker 2: think that this is one of the most interesting spaces
Speaker 2: within that. I also think the first two episodes hint
Speaker 2: at some good missions that we're going to get around
Speaker 2: the kind of realities of Order sixty six and what
Speaker 2: happens when it doesn't occur. So basically, I just want
Speaker 2: to see this ragtag found family go on a mission.
Speaker 2: Maybe after the end of last season where Crosshair kind
Speaker 2: of split off from them, I'd love to see them
Speaker 2: maybe have to help him out some kind of reconnection there.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I'm I'm really excited, and I'm glad that
Speaker 2: our listeners love the show so much, because I do
Speaker 2: think it's a really really special show.
Speaker 1: I would love to see some, and we got hints
Speaker 1: of it, particularly in the second episode of the current season,
Speaker 1: when you know, the bad Batch are kind of debating
Speaker 1: amongst themselves how how involved in the non existent fight
Speaker 1: that is currently going on they should get. Should we
Speaker 1: we understand that something terrible is going on has gone
Speaker 1: on with the rise of the Empire, should we do
Speaker 1: something to stop it? And I would be really eager
Speaker 1: to see their role in the formation of what we
Speaker 1: now call the Rebel Alliance, if that, if there is
Speaker 1: a role for them to have, because just the fact
Speaker 1: that they're debating it, you know, this is obviously a
Speaker 1: debate that's going on in this particular timeline, in this
Speaker 1: particular time in galactic history, you know, in various just
Speaker 1: different parts of this story. And I think that the
Speaker 1: fact that they are having that conversation means that, you know,
Speaker 1: could we see we're already seeing them kind of get
Speaker 1: mixed up with their former clone compatriots in a raid
Speaker 1: and an attempted heist, you know of Count Dooku's you know,
Speaker 1: former riches that could bring them into conflict with any
Speaker 1: number of Imperial figures, early Imperial figures, including maybe you know,
Speaker 1: Tarkan maybe. I think that I would just love to
Speaker 1: see because we don't know anything about it. I would
Speaker 1: love to see if they play any role in the
Speaker 1: formation of the Rebel Alliance and what that would look like.
Speaker 1: I think that'd be really cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that, especially because the thing that makes
Speaker 2: a bad Batch so special, and the way that Filonia
Speaker 2: has used the animation in general, is to look at
Speaker 2: all the different small parts that come together to make
Speaker 2: the whole that is the Rebellion, the people who are background,
Speaker 2: who are collateral damage in the you know, the case
Speaker 2: of the Clones, and to kind of expand on that.
Speaker 2: So I think that'd be a lovely way to see it.
Speaker 1: And then finally, a couple of questions about the Last
Speaker 1: of Us, which is going to debut next Sunday on HBO.
Speaker 1: Max Matt says, don't know if you'll cover this on
Speaker 1: the POT, but I'm a hype for the Last of Us.
Speaker 1: How much of the first game do you guess will
Speaker 1: be covered in the first season? What do you think
Speaker 1: will make this zombie show different from others like The
Speaker 1: Walking Dead for instance? And then after bedtime Gamer asks
Speaker 1: will you be covering the Last of Us? Adaptation for HBO.
Speaker 1: If so, any thoughts leading into the premiere. Yeah, first
Speaker 1: of all, we're gonna be covering it, covering it. Maybe
Speaker 1: we can reveal now as we enter this phase of
Speaker 1: the X ray Vision podcast. X ray Vision will be
Speaker 1: in your years twice a week, Wednesdays and Fridays. This
Speaker 1: Friday's episode, we're going to be covering the Last of
Speaker 1: Us game. It's gonna be our first installment on the
Speaker 1: story of the Last of Us, the first Last of
Speaker 1: Us game, which is just a tremendous storytelling experienced, tremendous
Speaker 1: game experience. We can't wait to bring that to you.
Speaker 1: And yes, we will be covering the show on a
Speaker 1: weekly basis. It's in terms of Max's question, Rosie, how
Speaker 1: much do you think they're going to cover it in
Speaker 1: this first episode in the first season.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be real. I think that the game, I
Speaker 2: think you could tell the most important parts of the
Speaker 2: game in a season, and I think that would be
Speaker 2: the smartest thing to do. Do I think they're going
Speaker 2: to do that? Probably not. I think that we will probably.
Speaker 2: I think they will probably stretch out over two seasons.
Speaker 2: Though the game is this kind of all encompassing, and
Speaker 2: we've both been replaying it like it's this all encompassing storytelling.
Speaker 2: So much of the time is taken up by you
Speaker 2: inhabiting the role, and obviously we're not going to be
Speaker 2: in that space. So I personally think you could do
Speaker 2: a brilliant limited series. But seeing as this has the
Speaker 2: potential to be the most successful video game adaptation of
Speaker 2: all time, you know, touch would, I'd assume they're going
Speaker 2: to stretch out a bit. I think, yeah, yeah, what
Speaker 2: do you think?
Speaker 1: Oh no, I was completely agreeing with you. I think
Speaker 1: what will make this different is going What's going to
Speaker 1: make this different is than The Walking Dead in particular,
Speaker 1: is the kind of part of the kind of drama
Speaker 1: generator of this story is a cure, a cure as possible.
Speaker 1: Unlike in The Walking Dead, where everybody's just like, this
Speaker 1: is what the world is now and you just have
Speaker 1: to deal with it.
Speaker 2: The what gives the.
Speaker 1: Last of Us game it's devastating emotional and moral punch,
Speaker 1: is a decision has to be made about trying to
Speaker 1: make a cure and what we would sacrifice to do it, right?
Speaker 2: That is I think I think that is and that
Speaker 2: is a big difference.
Speaker 1: It's a that is a huge because it's about selfish,
Speaker 1: it's also it's about.
Speaker 2: Like it's also finality that The Walking Dead didn't have
Speaker 2: at the time because the comic book was ongoing. I
Speaker 2: will also say, in replaying the game, something that blew
Speaker 2: my mind, and I'm really excited to talk about this
Speaker 2: game and and it's kind of origins because something that
Speaker 2: kind of blew my mind was the game was being
Speaker 2: developed a year before The Walking Dead got onto TV. Now,
Speaker 2: the game was probably inspired at least in part by
Speaker 2: the comics, but there are a lot of differences, and
Speaker 2: you can see that it becomes this cyclical thing where
Speaker 2: the Walking Dead TV show also starts to feed off
Speaker 2: The Last of Us and the way the Last of
Speaker 2: Us tell stories one of the biggest differences that I
Speaker 2: think that I was kind of really blown away with
Speaker 2: playing the game again. I think it's the The Last
Speaker 2: of Us is a game that is very bleak and
Speaker 2: has these immense moral choices, and is very sad and scary,
Speaker 2: but it has these unbelievable moments of beauty almost constantly
Speaker 2: throughout the game, even if you're just walking around in
Speaker 2: a broken down landscape about to kill ten people. By
Speaker 2: the way, Tessa's a psycho, Like, she really made me
Speaker 2: murder so many people when I started playing again.
Speaker 1: You know what, like she's every survivor is no judgment,
Speaker 1: but I was shocked.
Speaker 2: I was killing a lot of people, and I I
Speaker 2: had forgotten that part. But even when you're just walking
Speaker 2: around the city, you go from it's not that Resident
Speaker 2: Evil style Walking Dead style. Everything is grim, everything is dark,
Speaker 2: everyone is getting eaten by a zombie all points. There
Speaker 2: is a lot of quiet, and there are these moments
Speaker 2: of beautiful, overgrown nature of peace. And I hope that
Speaker 2: that is going to be something that they keep in
Speaker 2: the show because that will really make it stand out
Speaker 2: against that kind of grim grit and kind of constant
Speaker 2: grind of The Walking Dead.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we can't wait to dive into that show. Thanks
Speaker 1: for all your questions. Up next nerd out.
Speaker 2: Back. In today's Nerd out where you tell us what
Speaker 2: you love them why, listen to Swati pictures us on
Speaker 2: the Netflix reboot of Shira.
Speaker 7: Hello, Jason Rosie and my fellow nerds. My name's Swati
Speaker 7: and I'm here today to share my love for Shira.
Speaker 7: The twenty eighteen Netflix reboot of the classic nineteen eighties
Speaker 7: animated series that I grew up on. This version of
Speaker 7: Shira is gay Star Wars with a Lisa Frank esthetic
Speaker 7: and a bit of Sailor Moon thrown in. It's the
Speaker 7: most wholesome show I've ever watched, perfect for adults and children.
Speaker 7: It made me laugh, made me cry, warmed my heart,
Speaker 7: and I just want to watch it over and over. Also,
Speaker 7: it has a banging theme song I can't help but
Speaker 7: sing every time I watch. The show is hilarious, with
Speaker 7: wildly funny characters and ridiculous shenanigans you'd expect from a
Speaker 7: kid's show, but it also has a very deeply moving
Speaker 7: story about good versus evil. A quick synopsis, Adra and
Speaker 7: Katra are orphans raised by the Hord, a military unit
Speaker 7: similar to the Empire. One night, Adorra finds a magical
Speaker 7: sword that transforms her into the legendary warrior Princess Shira.
Speaker 7: She learns that the Horde is evil and trying to
Speaker 7: take over their world. Etherea, Adorra teams up with the
Speaker 7: Princesses of Power, but to save the world, she has
Speaker 7: to go against her best friends since childhood, Kattra, who
Speaker 7: doesn't want to leave the Horde. Over the course of
Speaker 7: the show, Adorra searches for her origins as she fights
Speaker 7: to do the right thing without sacrificing the people she loves.
Speaker 7: Over five seasons, Shira explores themes of identity, friendship, sacrifice,
Speaker 7: and love. The stakes are high in this show. The
Speaker 7: Princess Alliance is fighting to save Etheria and the universe.
Speaker 7: I would compare this to Star Wars Rebels in the
Speaker 7: depth of character development and the epic battle of good
Speaker 7: versus evil. But my favorite part about Shira is how
Speaker 7: unabashedly queer it is in Etherea. Queerness is just a
Speaker 7: normal part of society and life as it should be.
Speaker 7: Princes are married, people have gay parents, and we even
Speaker 7: have a very fun non binary character, Double Trouble, voiced
Speaker 7: by non binary actor Jacob Tobia. It's how the world
Speaker 7: should be, with queerness existing the same as straitness. Also,
Speaker 7: Adra and Cattra are the best, will they won't they
Speaker 7: ship into They are also deeply heartfelt characters, as are
Speaker 7: the rest of the cast, which includes Karen Fukuhara, the
Speaker 7: actress who plays Kimiko on The Boys as Princess Glimmer.
Speaker 7: So go watch Chier on Netflix. It's five seasons of
Speaker 7: hilarious hijinks and epic battles. I hope you enjoyed as
Speaker 7: much as I did. For the honor of Gray Skull
Speaker 7: Catridora Forever.
Speaker 2: Thanks Sadie for submitting. If you want to be featured
Speaker 2: and send your note out, pitch to x ray croocket
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Speaker 1: That's it for us. Big thank you to the listeners
Speaker 1: for submitting so many incredible questions. Happy twenty two eighty
Speaker 1: three to everybody. We didn't get to all of them,
Speaker 1: but we will of course continue to do more mail
Speaker 1: bags on the show. Rosie, it's time for plugs. What
Speaker 1: do you have to plug?
Speaker 2: You can find my work on all the usual sites.
Speaker 2: I have a website rosinight dot com which will send
Speaker 2: you to all of them. There's also scenes and comics
Speaker 2: on there. You can find me on letterbox and Instagram
Speaker 2: at Rosie, Marx and I will be covering the lost
Speaker 2: of us at IG. I'll have some cool stuff coming
Speaker 2: out at Primetime. Are about some other rad shows that
Speaker 2: are coming out soon and yeah, just you know, as
Speaker 2: soon as February comes around, we'll be ampt manning hard
Speaker 2: so enjoy this.
Speaker 1: Yes, MC you break catch the next episode of the
Speaker 1: Extra Vision Pod this Friday, January thirteenth, because remember, we're
Speaker 1: now coming to you twice a week. That's twice, the
Speaker 1: Deep dives twice, the Tinfoil hat theories twice, that we
Speaker 1: were rites twice, the nerd outs twice, the everything's double
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and if you like us, you know what to
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Speaker 2: Got to shout out the mods because they keep that
Speaker 2: just the most positive, exciting place to be. And yeah,
Speaker 2: five star reviews, baby, we love them.
Speaker 1: Here's this episode's five star review from Jamison has a
Speaker 1: truly comprehensive look at the stories we tell. Jason and
Speaker 1: Rosie do such an amazing job of taking deep at
Speaker 1: bringing their diverse backgrounds and stories into their analysis. That's
Speaker 1: so nice.
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you, We try out back.
Speaker 1: Thank you Jaffison.
Speaker 2: We love the five star rating.
Speaker 1: X ray Vision is a Crooked Media production. The show
Speaker 1: is produced by Chris Lord and Saul Rubin. The show
Speaker 1: is executive produced by myself and Sandy Rhard are editing
Speaker 1: in sound design. Who's by Vacilli's Photopoulos. Dilon Villanueva and
Speaker 1: Matt de Group provide video production support. Alex Rellaford handle
Speaker 1: social media. Thank you Brian Vasquez for theme music. See
Speaker 1: you next time.