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Speaker 1: like Eline the Giants were going to end the Eagles

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Speaker 1: Eagles back. They won in overtime. Now they're tied with

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Speaker 1: And you could argue that phillion Dollars are the two

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Speaker 1: to completely dismiss them would be a big, big mistake. Now,

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Speaker 1: what a mess. And if you have the number one

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Speaker 1: get into the postseason here losing Lane Johnson, all Shan Jeffrey,

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Speaker 1: And last night I did see more from Carson Wentz

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Speaker 1: But you aren't going against the Giants though, that has

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Speaker 1: let's start with will Eli Manning be on an NFL

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Speaker 1: roster Week one event next season? We were wondering before

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Speaker 1: What about Chicago? No, I would stay with True Bisky.

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Speaker 1: gonna bring in Joe Burrow, and I'm gonna say, Joe,

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Speaker 1: I'd hate to subject Joe Burrow to the Cincinnati Bengals,

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Speaker 1: Eli was still a number one pick. But I don't

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Speaker 1: But I'd like to know what's on the tape, just

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna drop the hammer on? How about we don't

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Speaker 1: if I'm a pacer, span, I feel good. Usually when

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Speaker 1: we're you's the cheating. We make the super Bowl. This

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Speaker 1: I have an explanation. Okay. So it's called do your job,

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Speaker 1: Which is perfectly legal. You're allowed to observe it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they're a sidelines. You just can't film it. So maybe

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Speaker 1: they were recreating the scout job. Oh, I thought that

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Speaker 1: was your scene. I'm pretty sure you're allowed to film

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Speaker 1: They filmed it from the wrong angle, but you're allowed to.

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Speaker 1: That's why every coach in the NFL puts their thing

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Speaker 1: they're being videotapes. Well, I thought they only get it

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Speaker 1: off the All twenty two that was provided by the networks.

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Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't think you could have a team

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Speaker 1: homework on that, just so we're not disseminating. Videotaping coaches

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Speaker 1: signals is one hundred percent legal. You can only do

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Speaker 1: it from certain places. Yeah, Jared bell enss call them

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Speaker 1: in USA today. There's no reason to jump to the

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Speaker 1: about demanding that Belichick needs to be docked a draft

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Speaker 1: This two goes beyond the Patriots. What about the rest

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Speaker 1: that could use some extra video. Right We'll talk to

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Speaker 1: Tom Current, who covers the team, and see what he

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Speaker 1: So would you would you still take sea Quon Barkley?

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Speaker 1: Frite you reminding me, I said, Josh McDaniel. It's McDaniels,

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Speaker 1: so thank you for keeping me straight on that. We'll

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Speaker 1: talk to Tom Kern, who covers the Patriots for NBC

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Speaker 1: Sports Boston. He'll join us coming up. We were talking

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Speaker 1: about the most valuable non quarterback. How are we phrasing that?

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Speaker 1: Mclovin skill player, he's like Aaron Donald too win otherwise,

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Speaker 1: but yeah, I call it the George Kittle pole. It's

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Speaker 1: George Kittle more valuable than Michael Thomas or is there

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Speaker 1: anybody else? You know? I think the Niners have weapons,

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Speaker 1: we just don't know their names and he's a bargain.

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Speaker 1: He's making six hundred thousand dollars. George Kittle is a

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Speaker 1: great tight end. He's a great, great football player. Michael

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Speaker 1: Thomas is having a historical season. Michael Thomas is. He's

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Speaker 1: completing his fourth NFL season. He already has broken the

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Speaker 1: record for most receptions through four seasons all time. He's

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Speaker 1: got four hundred and forty two catches and he's not

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Speaker 1: even finished. He's got three more games here in the

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Speaker 1: regular season. Yeah, mclob Alvan Kamara, although he kind of struggled,

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Speaker 1: did he neutralize that a little bit? And the fact

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Speaker 1: that it's the Saints who always have a high tigh

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Speaker 1: office Ingram and Kamara hasn't been the same. Yeah. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Thomas has been as valuable as and he should be

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Speaker 1: included in I think the MVP discussion, I really do.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if he will be, but with what

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Speaker 1: he's done for that team this year, and you know

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Speaker 1: he's getting the ball and you haven't had that running

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Speaker 1: attack that you once did. He didn't have breeze for

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Speaker 1: five games. Yeah, man, it's pretty incredible. All Right. Tom

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Speaker 1: Curran kind enough to join us on short notice. We

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Speaker 1: have him on speed Dial Patriots Insider for NBC Sports Boston.

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Speaker 1: We're looking for a good scandal here, do we have

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Speaker 1: one time? Oh it'll yeah, it'll rise to the level

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Speaker 1: of good scandal, just because it harkens back to exactly

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Speaker 1: what the Patriots got pinched for in two thousand and seven.

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Speaker 1: I don't, in any way, shape or form, believe that

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Speaker 1: the football side of things said, hey, us a solid

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Speaker 1: go to Cleveland and make sure you wear your Patriots

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Speaker 1: jersey and videotape the sideline during the game, because nobody

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Speaker 1: will think twice about it. But it's just too juicy.

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Speaker 1: Excuse me, it's just too juicy to go away, all right?

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Speaker 1: What are they accused of? Like, you know, how serious

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Speaker 1: is this? It's going to be serious in the eyes

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Speaker 1: of the league because of the appearances. And in the

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Speaker 1: same way I think that the flake gate rose to

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Speaker 1: something that Roger Goodell was a hanging judge with. This

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Speaker 1: will be the same to a degree. Again, to a degree.

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Speaker 1: I don't make any predictions on what the punishment will be.

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Speaker 1: But they're accused of having a videographer in the press

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Speaker 1: box in Cleveland who directed while they were playing the

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Speaker 1: Cincinnati Bengals. This week's upcoming opponent. Having a video camera

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Speaker 1: directed at the Bengals sideline during the first quarter of

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Speaker 1: Sunday's game. Bengals staff for alert of the NFL. The

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Speaker 1: NFL said, we're taking the tape. Bengal said the same thing.

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Speaker 1: According to ESPN Diana Rassini, the staffer said, can't we

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Speaker 1: just delete this and forget all about it? Which doesn't

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Speaker 1: look that awesome. But the Patriots explanation is that the

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Speaker 1: Patriots in house content production arm used to be called

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Speaker 1: Craft Sports Productions, does these series called Do Your Job,

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Speaker 1: which is basically, you know, you'd follow Fritzie around and

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Speaker 1: videotape him calling guests and stuff, and then you put

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Speaker 1: it out and say, here, this is how Fritzie does

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Speaker 1: his job. Well, that's what this guy was doing with

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Speaker 1: an advanced scout. So logically, I guess the videographer thought, well,

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Speaker 1: it's probably a good idea to take video of what

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Speaker 1: he looks at during the game, and he did that.

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Speaker 1: How you could think that was a great idea and

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Speaker 1: not have the institutional knowledge if you work for the

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Speaker 1: Patriots that if you hold a video camera you never

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Speaker 1: do that. I don't know, but that's where We're gonna

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Speaker 1: be Dan. But it always really sounds small, Tom. These

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Speaker 1: things always start out small and then it feels like

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Speaker 1: they mushroom, you know, deflate gate. It start out small.

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Speaker 1: Then all laughed at it. Yeah, we laughed, laughed on Monday. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm laughed on Monday live it because now I've heard

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Speaker 1: everything he said on the radio. What I go back

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Speaker 1: to though, and I'm is Bill Belichick during the Mona

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Speaker 1: Lisa Vito press conference, and I would encourage you guys

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Speaker 1: to go find this in the next couple hours because

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Speaker 1: it's really interesting. He's asked about Spygate during that press

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Speaker 1: conference by an Associated Press reporter. In Belichick's answer was this,

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Speaker 1: and I'll read it to you. He says, I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's a whole other discussion. The guy's giving signals in

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Speaker 1: front of eighty thousand people. Okay, so we filmed them

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Speaker 1: taking signals in front of eighty thousand people, like a

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Speaker 1: lot of other teams were doing. At the end, he

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Speaker 1: says it, so it was wrong. We were disciplined. That

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Speaker 1: that's it. We never did it again. We're never going

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Speaker 1: to do it again. And anything else that's close not

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Speaker 1: going to do either. That's why I'm like, it's thought

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Speaker 1: they couldn't right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, but

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Speaker 1: here we are, so we done over. You wrote the

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Speaker 1: column that sort of laid the breadcrumbs down that Tom

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Speaker 1: Brady would leave this franchise. I don't know if it's

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Speaker 1: mutual or by his own accord there, and I was curious.

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Speaker 1: Did you hear from Brady after you wrote that? Not directly, No, indirectly.

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Speaker 1: I don't think he was pissed. Do you think that

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Speaker 1: he thought you were accurate? I wasn't told that I

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Speaker 1: was inaccurate. Yeah, if you were, if you were betting

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Speaker 1: a week's back, oh man, Patriots retire other other Okay.

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Speaker 1: Could you see a scenario where Josh McDaniels and Tom

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Speaker 1: Brady are a package deal in Carolina? No, I think

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Speaker 1: that that owner is going to be far too involved

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Speaker 1: for Josh McDaniels to think that's a great landing spot. However,

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Speaker 1: given Josh is I might I want to waiver on

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Speaker 1: that just a little by saying he had such a

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Speaker 1: tepid response to his candidacy last year, with only green

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Speaker 1: Bay really stepping forward, maybe he would entertain that idea.

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Speaker 1: Only green Bay min interview last year, but I think

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Speaker 1: he wants to make sure that he's in a position

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Speaker 1: where he's got you all this way and Marty Herne's there.

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Speaker 1: I also wonder, with all the struggles that Brady has had,

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Speaker 1: you know, in the last couple of months here, does

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Speaker 1: that sort of reinforce the thought process of, you know what,

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Speaker 1: maybe it is time for me to get out of here.

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Speaker 1: On Josh's part, No, On Tom's part, oh, certainly, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think certainly it is, because you know he's looking

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Speaker 1: at Okay, they haven't gone over the mood to satisfy

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Speaker 1: my contract demands, and what have they done with the

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Speaker 1: money saved? Well, I can't really tell what I've come

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Speaker 1: out of the huddle and look around at the guys.

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Speaker 1: I'm surrounded by it. I mean, I have an undrafted rookie.

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Speaker 1: I have a first round draft pick who's over on

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Speaker 1: the sidelines because when he comes in things don't go

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Speaker 1: so good. I have Philip door Set, who the Colts

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Speaker 1: left out at the end of their driveway. I have

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Speaker 1: no tight end, and I have jewels, God bless him,

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Speaker 1: and that's it. So I think that there are at

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Speaker 1: points in which That's why I said in the story

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Speaker 1: Dan that I think it could be an amicable split

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Speaker 1: if indeed the split comes to pass, and this comes

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Speaker 1: down to this is Bill Belichick's decision. I think that

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Speaker 1: in the yeah, in the final analysis, it would be

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Speaker 1: Bill maybe having to do some convincing of ownership. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think it would be a football decision. Dean Sanders

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Speaker 1: had a comment a couple of weeks ago where it

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Speaker 1: was cryptic, but he said he was guaranteeing the Patriots

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Speaker 1: we're going to add a playmaker like here by the

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Speaker 1: end of the season. Who is that playmaker? I think

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Speaker 1: that Dion might have been referring to Dez Bryant because

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Speaker 1: he and Dez Bryan are extremely close and he is

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Speaker 1: in the past lobbied for him to go to But

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Speaker 1: how is he advocating or is he think he's advocating

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Speaker 1: not predicting. I think it's more of an advocacy than

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Speaker 1: a prediction. Maybe they do sign him, but how's that help.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they had Josh Wood and they had de

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Speaker 1: Marius Thomas. I'm not even gonna mention Antonio Brown because

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Speaker 1: what he did to shoot his way out of town people,

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Speaker 1: he's conveniently forgetting. He threatened the children of the woman

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Speaker 1: who wasn't even really accusing him in a Sports Illustrated story.

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Speaker 1: It's just it buggers the mind. Dan. Yeah, but you

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Speaker 1: have guys in that locker room who were saying, hey,

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Speaker 1: we're okay with having him back, right right right? Since

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Speaker 1: since then? I mean, they were all okay with having

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Speaker 1: him back as a football player. But I think that

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Speaker 1: they don't have to way what damage that does to

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Speaker 1: the brand of the New England Patriots. When a player

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Speaker 1: is on the team who has done something like that,

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Speaker 1: they just want to win the football games. And I

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Speaker 1: don't blame them. Do your job. Your job is to

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Speaker 1: win the games. If you need good players around you

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Speaker 1: do that. If you're Robert Kraft, the job is to

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Speaker 1: protect the brand as well, to make sure that it

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Speaker 1: is marketable, and having him on the field tracks from that.

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Speaker 1: So that's where the rubber met the road with that decision. Tom.

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Speaker 1: It's good to talk to you again as always, have

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Speaker 1: we done again? As that fast? Well? Am I going

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Speaker 1: to see you at the Super Bowl? Sure? Yeah? Who

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Speaker 1: will you be covering? Well, it's going to be I

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Speaker 1: would imagine it's probably going to be a Ravens. A

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Speaker 1: Ravens forty nine ers rave. Okay, all right, don't you

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Speaker 1: think it's starting to look like that? But you know,

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Speaker 1: we get things happen in the postseason. Yeah, because can

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Speaker 1: you see a scenario where you know, the Patriots have

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Speaker 1: lost to the Chiefs, they lost to the Texans, they

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Speaker 1: lost to the Ravens. Can that be a positive for

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Speaker 1: this team the next time around? Whoever they meet? Only defensively?

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Speaker 1: Only defensively, I don't care who they're playing in terms

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Speaker 1: of what they can do offensively. They can't get over

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Speaker 1: twenty points right now. I'll be stunned if they get

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Speaker 1: over twenty points more than once in the final three

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Speaker 1: games here, and they haven't done it in a couple

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Speaker 1: of weeks. So well, we get twenty two last week

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Speaker 1: against Houston. But anyway, how much hurt though? God mean,

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Speaker 1: wait no, no, how much will it hurt if Garoppolo

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Speaker 1: wins the Super Bowl? It shouldn't hurt because the Patriots

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Speaker 1: got their post Garoppolo Super Bowl win last year and

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Speaker 1: a Postcarrooppolo Super Bowl appearance. But you know how we

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Speaker 1: are up here with great I know, but you feel

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me. All right, I can't miss you

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Speaker 1: slash Patrick all right, did we learn anything from Tom Kern?

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Speaker 1: It starts out as a small little story usually with

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Speaker 1: New England. Remember Tom Brady, he laughed at deflate, Kate

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00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:04,879
Speaker 1: laughed at it, and then all of a sudden it's

703
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,280
Speaker 1: started to grow. I don't know what's on the tape

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Speaker 1: that would you know, lead the commissioner to drop the

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Speaker 1: so called hammer on the Patriots. Are you taking away

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Speaker 1: a draft pick? Are you finding them? They should know better.

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Speaker 1: Anybody who's an employee who has a camera in their

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Speaker 1: hands should know what the Patriots have already been accused

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Speaker 1: of been punished for. Everybody should know that. So there's

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Speaker 1: no wiggle room here. Yeah, now I get that. This

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Speaker 1: is all coming from me, right, Patriot Apolics, you can

712
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 1: you can file it in that column if you want it.

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00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 1: But if it's not a team employee, right, and just

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Speaker 1: based on even the people that work around here, right,

715
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Speaker 1: production production crew, people who would say produce a digital

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Speaker 1: web only series called do your job. They're not exactly

717
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 1: people that are super up on sports, especially scandals that

718
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 1: happened twelve years ago. M it's entirely possible that the

719
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:05,399
Speaker 1: person that's doing this is some like twenty four year

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Speaker 1: old kid who was twelve when the flate Gate happened,

721
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 1: that really doesn't like sports at all, but he just

722
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 1: got a good job doing video work for the Patriots.

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Speaker 1: How do you think that's gonna go over if you're

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Speaker 1: saying that to the commissioner, even if it's true, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't know why Why would the commissioner? What is

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Speaker 1: he going to come down even harder on you? Like, no,

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00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 1: dare you not hire video people with sports? No? No? No?

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Speaker 1: That is that a good enough excuse for the commissioner

729
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 1: in this situation? That's that's because it's the Patriots. Do

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Speaker 1: you allow the ignorance part of this? If you're the

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00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 1: commissioner that that'd be my only question I would have.

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00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 1: I mean, you could be completely correct with all of this.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if the commissioner allows that longitude or

734
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 1: latitude with the Patriots. You go, okay, well I understand

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00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 1: you didn't you know he hired somebody who didn't know

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Speaker 1: that what you guys went through because he was twelve

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00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 1: years of age, right, I mean I do. I don't

738
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Speaker 1: know what he thinks. I don't know how he reacts.

739
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Speaker 1: I don't know if he has to overreact because it's

740
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Speaker 1: the Patriots, Like we would probably send the French kid, Yeah,

741
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 1: go shoot that video series for us, And he's probably

742
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 1: not super up on to fleet Gate and probably not

743
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Speaker 1: aware of the intricacies of what he's allowed to film

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00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:20,479
Speaker 1: and not film while at an NFL game, especially given

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00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 1: the Patriots history. I agree, I agree, no offense. I'm

746
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 1: sure that no offense. But you can look at this

747
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:32,360
Speaker 1: and any angle of the story can be very guilty

748
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 1: feeling or very innocent, depending if you skew one way

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Speaker 1: or the other. Like Tom Current said that the Patriots,

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Speaker 1: the person who is shooting said, oh, I'm sorry, I

751
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 1: didn't know. I wasn't supposed to shoot here here? Can

752
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:45,320
Speaker 1: I just delete it? That could be if you're Patriots apologist,

753
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 1: think like, well, that's exactly what the kid should do. Oh,

754
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 1: I mean a mistake, innocent mistake, I'll delete it right now.

755
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 1: Or if you think the Patriots are chronic cheaters, you'd

756
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 1: say wow, that kid was ready to destroy the tape

757
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:57,359
Speaker 1: because he knew that he was doing something wrong and

758
00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 1: destroyed right there on the spot. Because it's digital, you

759
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 1: could destroy stuff. You get to look at it both ways,

760
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:05,800
Speaker 1: because according to Seth Wickersham, he's got a CIA level

761
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 1: of espionage where he's prepared with excuses of how to

762
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Speaker 1: handle situations if he got called. You know, Fritzie's an

763
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 1: expert on this, He's an Astros fan. What do you think?

764
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Speaker 1: I think if I'm larger, if I'm Roger Candell because

765
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 1: of their past history, that doesn't wash with me. I

766
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 1: think as soon as the spy gate thing happens, like

767
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 1: for now on, you had to putting some kind of

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00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 1: system of checking balances where any video equipment of any

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00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,400
Speaker 1: kind at any game needs to be checked with a

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Speaker 1: B and C before it could move forward. I don't

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00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 1: care if it's a little clip of something or for

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Speaker 1: a YouTube video or a little fun production thing teaching

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Speaker 1: kids a little about the positions in the NFL. All

774
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 1: got to go through this guy or this woman and

775
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 1: they have to okay before you can even show up

776
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 1: with that stuff. Thank you to ast you hurt ball

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Speaker 1: like an expert on that expert witness. Thank you to slider.

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Speaker 1: I can not hear me. What do tway with that? Slider?

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Speaker 1: Oh it's too fast fast? Where's yam? Garbage can like

780
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 1: the batteries out in a little camera hiding behind the

781
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 1: train up. Oh yeah, I don't know where we go

782
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 1: with this Patriots thing, but you know it's the Patriots

783
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:24,479
Speaker 1: and you already made up your mind no matter what's

784
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 1: on that tape, it feels like. But if they made

785
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:30,359
Speaker 1: a mistake, an honest mistake, then hopefully the commissioner takes

786
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 1: that into consideration. McLevin, you have a thought on this, well,

787
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 1: I think you know they have the tape, so they'll

788
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 1: know what's on there. So there's a lot of speculation

789
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:42,319
Speaker 1: right now, right what's the wine debating. It's if they

790
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 1: if if they have an assistant giving signs on the side,

791
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 1: then Patriots get whacked to the folks. And even if

792
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:50,880
Speaker 1: there is a mitigating circumstance like the French kid was

793
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,799
Speaker 1: buying the camera, doesn't really matter. But remember when I

794
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:57,279
Speaker 1: asked the commissioner, and that's obviously been a long time

795
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Speaker 1: since he's been on the show, but I said, what

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797
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:06,240
Speaker 1: said we destroyed them. And my thought was, why don't

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Speaker 1: you let people see what they were guilty of so

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Speaker 1: other teams know that you can't do this, right? Yeah,

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00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:18,839
Speaker 1: be obvious. Yeah, but he but he said we destroyed him,

801
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 1: when I go, well why destroy him? Why not say

802
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:25,439
Speaker 1: this is what you can and can't do? Ye see?

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00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 1: And it is a good point that while the Patriots

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00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 1: version of the French Kid may have been filming, the

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00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 1: scout certainly shouldn't be aware of what you can and

806
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:35,840
Speaker 1: can't do in those situations. I think that'll be the

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00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:39,840
Speaker 1: key witness here with the commissioner talking to the scout,

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00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 1: what role the scout played? And if you're profiling the scout,

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00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 1: I would think the scout is probably not a twenty

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00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 1: four year old and it's his first you know, you

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Speaker 1: know football game that he's at. Yes, by the way,

812
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:54,399
Speaker 1: we can't guarantee it was a French kid. I mean,

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00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 1: most everybody nine seven percent of people in New England

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00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 1: who have that job probably New Spike in my you know,

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Speaker 1: I have a lot of relatives up there, trust me.

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00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 1: Even non football fans know the deal there. Though it

817
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 1: could be an artistic guy do your job. You've met

818
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 1: Patriots guys. They're all about this. It's not a Patriots employee.

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Speaker 1: Just for the record, they work for Robert Craig. He's

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