Speaker 1: This is kJ Live with Chris Johnson. Allen and Chris
Speaker 1: is having conversations with influencers in the sports world and
Speaker 1: entertainment industry. Now here's Chris Johnson. You are now tuned
Speaker 1: in to kJ Live. Today's guest on the show. It's
Speaker 1: one of my all time favorites. He is a world
Speaker 1: renowned Twitter legend. He's also a producer. He writes films.
Speaker 1: He's worked at the NFL Network. He created a show
Speaker 1: that was on Comedy Central. This dude is talented. He's
Speaker 1: also my younger brother. Let's welcome in Joe Siah Johnson,
Speaker 1: the King. Josiah Johnson's in the building. What's up? Joe's
Speaker 1: going down with it? Man? Thank you for making time
Speaker 1: for your brother. Dog. I I look I can when
Speaker 1: I try to see John. I gotta turn on Ted
Speaker 1: teena ship. I gotta find a job. What's up, man?
Speaker 1: What's going on with you? Dog? On a major bag
Speaker 1: finesse request. Uh. I just got back from Atlanta. I
Speaker 1: was out there doing some stuff with NBA, Twitter Live
Speaker 1: and with some Bleacher Report. But yeah, man, it's happy
Speaker 1: to be happy to be getting bags. Happy to be
Speaker 1: out here getting it. Uh, loving life and appreciate you
Speaker 1: having me on now. How is life kind of changed
Speaker 1: in the last four to five years for you? Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, you've been going at this for a while.
Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, the kind of critical mass
Speaker 1: hit maybe in the last two years or so, if
Speaker 1: you agree with that, where people just last year probably
Speaker 1: really last last year, you became a national phenomena in
Speaker 1: New York Times. How has life changed for you, Joe?
Speaker 1: I mean, you know how this this game goes. Obviously
Speaker 1: growing up in l A and just kind of dealing
Speaker 1: with the peaks and valleys of hoop of career whatever.
Speaker 1: So going from having a show on Comedy Central, show,
Speaker 1: getting canceled, people not really working with me, you know,
Speaker 1: no job, opportunity, phone not ringing to, you know, getting
Speaker 1: back on it, grinding, figuring it all out, you know,
Speaker 1: working with you know, Michael Starburry and able to renee
Speaker 1: Colin Kaepernick, doing that show, which was kind of the
Speaker 1: first kind of jump start. I was doing some other
Speaker 1: stuff too with this company Attention. Uh did a show
Speaker 1: Martell has been at called mostly football for accomplishing y'all
Speaker 1: who sports. But it was a lot a lot of
Speaker 1: behind the scenes stuff there. But I think that show, really,
Speaker 1: the mostly Football Show really helped elevate me kind of
Speaker 1: level Matt. Now, we were doing a bunch of sketches
Speaker 1: stuff like that. So I was writing a bunch of stuff,
Speaker 1: acting a bunch of stuff, and a lot of that
Speaker 1: stuff is still I wrote a lot of it with
Speaker 1: being Evergreen, like you know, had like a Rooney Rule
Speaker 1: sketch that I can run every January obviously when we
Speaker 1: know no black coaches are getting hired. That's not changing
Speaker 1: anytime soon. Some things like that. But I really got
Speaker 1: to show my creative voice. And now, you know, in
Speaker 1: the last year, really, you know, since that lebron Co
Speaker 1: signed back in last June, kind of really launched it.
Speaker 1: But even before that, I was doing a bunch of stuff,
Speaker 1: working with a bunch of companies. But now it's, you know,
Speaker 1: like you said New York Times article, athletic, a bunch
Speaker 1: of people rocking with me. Obviously got to be on
Speaker 1: the NBA on TNT Tuesday with Shaq left Co Candice
Speaker 1: in d Wade uh last like, what's that like? Man,
Speaker 1: what's that like? On the set of T and T
Speaker 1: bro what's that like? So I did I did a
Speaker 1: couple of NBA Twitter lodges with him last year during
Speaker 1: the pandemic. But we were shooting robously, super cautious that
Speaker 1: we were shooting the studio and you know, you're just
Speaker 1: walking right away and it's like Charles and Kenny and
Speaker 1: I'm you know, I was there this past week walking,
Speaker 1: you know, for a Hooper basketball players just like you know,
Speaker 1: you try to play it cool or whatever, but walk
Speaker 1: in and Grant Hills there and Grants talking about you
Speaker 1: guys in the team and locking down Jordan's dome and
Speaker 1: I'm telling them how you wanted to go to Duke
Speaker 1: and how salty you were the coach. K did come
Speaker 1: with the scholarship, and he's like, damn for real, like hey,
Speaker 1: did you know Kay did look you know, like he
Speaker 1: saw to you now. But how we used to watch
Speaker 1: him in Italy, you know, just stuff like that. But
Speaker 1: Charles Barkley, Kenny Smith literally in the room with Kenny
Speaker 1: and Kenny, you know, talking about the workouts back in
Speaker 1: the days whatever. He's steaming a suit and I'm like,
Speaker 1: damn it, she was about to come on. He literally
Speaker 1: six seconds later on the air, like you know, doing
Speaker 1: this stuff. But it's so chill laid back and just
Speaker 1: to be able to work with that crew. Just a
Speaker 1: lot of phenomenal human beings. Ernie I've got to talk
Speaker 1: to a little bit, but just you know, super professional,
Speaker 1: always locked in and doing a bunch of work with
Speaker 1: Taylor Rooks and left on that whole crew. So every
Speaker 1: time I go out there. Last week, all ways out there,
Speaker 1: I did the actual show and I was kind of nervous.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be real, but you know, Walking and Left
Speaker 1: Co's got a good relationship with Sleigh He who's a
Speaker 1: big time designer back East. So give Shack this this
Speaker 1: Canada Goose jacket. Shaq tries on the jacket. It doesn't fit.
Speaker 1: It's a little light on the arms. He looks over
Speaker 1: at me, like, yo, big dog, you know you can
Speaker 1: have this. So I literally just walk in and walk
Speaker 1: out with like a twelve dollar jacket. I'm just minding
Speaker 1: my business kind of kind but that's just the type
Speaker 1: of stuff that goes on there. Man. Everybody's super cool.
Speaker 1: It was cool about Turners. You've got the TNT crew,
Speaker 1: NBA TV crew, You've got the social people. So everybody's
Speaker 1: kind of just hanging out around there. Some NHL stuff
Speaker 1: going on MLB stuff going on. So it's like Jimmy Roylands.
Speaker 1: We're talking about chicken wings and you know, I had
Speaker 1: a negative experience in Magic City. I'm hoping it to prove,
Speaker 1: but they gave me a little baby wings. But he
Speaker 1: was eating some delicious wings. We were talking about that
Speaker 1: Pedro Martinez. So you know, we were big fans of
Speaker 1: the Jerry Crow back in the day and just the
Speaker 1: maximum hold laid down. But these dudes are now just
Speaker 1: hanging out, just all kicking in this area watching a
Speaker 1: bunch of TV screens. They're watching the baseball games. Were
Speaker 1: why in the basketball games? But ridiculous And I just
Speaker 1: tell everybody up there, man, it's just like such a
Speaker 1: tight knit family. Tighten their cruiser. Every time I get
Speaker 1: to go out to Atlanta. I know you've got a
Speaker 1: lot of experience out there, and that's, you know, your
Speaker 1: second home. But every time I get to be out
Speaker 1: there in Midtown, turn up at the Loves, hitting the gym,
Speaker 1: steam room, just just living the life. Getting to feel
Speaker 1: like a celebrity is always a good time. Being rooms.
Speaker 1: So key dog, it is so key man. That's so
Speaker 1: I was like a lot of fun. Man, what are
Speaker 1: your thoughts on the playing so far. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: when if Adam Silver first brought it to the table,
Speaker 1: there was mixed sort of opinions, mixed um yeah, mixed results.
Speaker 1: What do you what do you think about it so far?
Speaker 1: In the first couple of games, Well, I think last year,
Speaker 1: obviously we saw the Lakers in it, and Lebron and
Speaker 1: A D were necessarily fans of the tournament. They would
Speaker 1: have preferred obviously get that just direct line into the playoffs.
Speaker 1: But we also got to see Lebron dot steps i
Speaker 1: you know, for game and further it just established his
Speaker 1: his goat argument and conversation. And as a Lakers fan,
Speaker 1: a watching the Warriors get smacked, it is always a
Speaker 1: good feeling. This year, I think a lot better. You know,
Speaker 1: Katie and Kyrie in there. They more embraced the challenge,
Speaker 1: they were up for, ready to go. Obviously, I think
Speaker 1: they were playing against a struggling calf team that didn't
Speaker 1: have Jared Allen, who was kind of their defensive anchor
Speaker 1: and you know, the difference maker on that squad. So yes,
Speaker 1: it's it's a lot. You know, you're a lot more
Speaker 1: confident going into that game when the team doesn't have
Speaker 1: arguably their best player, but seeing guys like Darius Garland
Speaker 1: Cook obviously that we we did that game for NBA
Speaker 1: Twitter Live, came home to the hotel, watched the Timberwolves
Speaker 1: Clipper game and we all, you know, we got on
Speaker 1: the Timberwolves for over celebrating. But it's an amazing moment
Speaker 1: and we see it in baseball. We see during the
Speaker 1: tournament guys are emotional. Pat Beth super super emotional guy.
Speaker 1: And for me it was Greg cause I got to
Speaker 1: run my numbers up with with a bunch of memes
Speaker 1: and things like that. But just phenomenal to see how
Speaker 1: much these guys love and care for and getting to
Speaker 1: see Trey. I watched that game on the plane coming
Speaker 1: back to l A. But Trey going up against LaMelo
Speaker 1: and all that stuff. Obviously, Myles Bridges hitting the fan
Speaker 1: with the mouthpiece, it's gonna be a big deal made
Speaker 1: out of it. You know. You know I remember that
Speaker 1: Michigan game when you through the little bullock the breakaway.
Speaker 1: I was ridiculous. Well, I'm just saying, if that would
Speaker 1: it costs the dog? Is that a big story? Now
Speaker 1: it's a mouthpiece rubber, It don't really hurt. But I'll
Speaker 1: say this, I'll say this about sorry about that. I'll
Speaker 1: say this about mouth Bridges. He owned that ship today
Speaker 1: on Twitter, bro, he owned it on Instagram. He here
Speaker 1: and the comments talking about yo, give me a contact
Speaker 1: with this young lady. That's unacceptable on my behalf. I'm
Speaker 1: rolling with that kid. I got a whole new respect
Speaker 1: for that kid. But then it has been live dog
Speaker 1: watching Lamello. I was hoping they give a better fight
Speaker 1: for the Hawks, but you know, Trey out there just
Speaker 1: solving that that that little double team real quick. And
Speaker 1: then you talk about k D and Kyrie and Kyrie
Speaker 1: you know, twelve or twelve coming out looking like just
Speaker 1: a god out there, like one of the greatest players
Speaker 1: I've ever seen play basketball. So yeah, man, I'm all,
Speaker 1: I'm all about this playing every year, bring it, bring
Speaker 1: it home. Man. Even last night with the Pelicans Dogs,
Speaker 1: the Pelicans look live. I don't know if you I
Speaker 1: don't know if you've seen Jose Alvarado, but he got
Speaker 1: he got some ship that reminds you. But it reminds
Speaker 1: of your ship back in the day when you had
Speaker 1: the one curl. I mean it was like a long
Speaker 1: floy I don't know if you've seen him with it
Speaker 1: without the man He's joy is sick phenomenal. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm happy for that dude, obviously two way getting the
Speaker 1: contract converted and this everything he's been able to bring
Speaker 1: light to that Pelican squad that's still waiting for Zion.
Speaker 1: But what's the thing. We knocked the Pelican for the
Speaker 1: jankie start, and obviously they started boo boo, but you know,
Speaker 1: games with brandon Ingram versus games without brandon Ingram's night
Speaker 1: and day and to see the chip on the shoulder
Speaker 1: that he played with obviously still some lingering bitterness was
Speaker 1: getting traded away from the Lakers, which is understandable, and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, Spurs, I would expect it a little bit
Speaker 1: more of a spirited effort. They came back obviously late
Speaker 1: in the game and made it a game, but you
Speaker 1: knew kind of that the Pelicans were going ahead and
Speaker 1: do that thing. So I'm excited to see how this
Speaker 1: this thing pans out. I know what, They've got the
Speaker 1: Clippers in l A on Friday. That's gonna be a
Speaker 1: exciting interesting game. And yeah, I like the format of
Speaker 1: it kind of has that that turning time feel to it,
Speaker 1: and again kudos to the league for making it happen.
Speaker 1: What did you make of the reaction to pet bev dude,
Speaker 1: I mean, you got a lot of folks you know
Speaker 1: he act likely win the championship. Look I like it, man,
Speaker 1: it was a lot of steak. I was listening to
Speaker 1: Draymond on his podcast and he said and he said it.
Speaker 1: He said, Pat Biggle coming up tonight turned up. He
Speaker 1: playing against this old team. That's how this thing go.
Speaker 1: And that's exactly how it went for him. But it
Speaker 1: seemed like folks was kind of mad because you know,
Speaker 1: he did the KG anything it's possible and jumped up
Speaker 1: on the scores table. What do you think about that? Ship?
Speaker 1: And mean, I loved it. I think I'm watching the
Speaker 1: Hotel and I'm obviously on East Coast and it's like
Speaker 1: twelve thirty whatever it is. I'm getting ready to go
Speaker 1: to sleep, and you know, the game is kind of decided.
Speaker 1: But to see how ham these dudes went. I'm a
Speaker 1: big Anthony Edwards fan. Obviously, what he's been able to
Speaker 1: do Delo that hell crew obviously carled ath Any Towns
Speaker 1: which he had a better performance. But I think with
Speaker 1: Timberwolves fans and they're getting a little sensitive, little emotional
Speaker 1: in their feelings. They have to understand this the NBA
Speaker 1: Twitter like when we see things, we're gonna respond and
Speaker 1: react to him. It was not critical of them overreacting,
Speaker 1: said everybody, Now they won the game, do whatever you want,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. But you're taking off the
Speaker 1: jersey throwing into the crowd. And it's like if you
Speaker 1: see the same thing in baseball when they go to
Speaker 1: the wild card or whatever it may be. But it's like,
Speaker 1: all right, locked back in because now you've got a
Speaker 1: seven game series with the Memphis Grizzlies who talked just
Speaker 1: as much trash as you do and would love to
Speaker 1: embarrass y'all, and you know you want to have those
Speaker 1: emotions shift from It's kind of like the same thing
Speaker 1: when when Ben Simmons got traded and Joe willen b
Speaker 1: put up the legendary mime of the dude at his
Speaker 1: Hayter's funeral. Like that's a great thing in that moment,
Speaker 1: but you don't want that now to come bite you
Speaker 1: in the ass down the road, because that's the thing
Speaker 1: Internet does not forget. So when it's the jumping on
Speaker 1: the tables, throwing the jersey's whatever. Now you take that,
Speaker 1: l You gotta be prepared for that slander. But now
Speaker 1: I respect that. I know Pat bad was done done
Speaker 1: wrong by the Clippers in his mind, so for him
Speaker 1: to get redemption on that squad, of course, who wouldn't
Speaker 1: who wouldn't celebrating cheer And I know the Timber has
Speaker 1: only made the playoffs like what twice in the last
Speaker 1: seventeen years or whatever it is, So yeah, you know
Speaker 1: that feeling like they're gonna be exciting. Yeah, got out
Speaker 1: to Pat Bag and the Wolves. Who I mean, you
Speaker 1: gotta give it to Joker. I think you know we're
Speaker 1: paying her to the Milwaukee Bucks just for the way
Speaker 1: they treat Dad, the way they treat our family. You
Speaker 1: give it to Joker the m v P. But I'd
Speaker 1: rather have Hness on my team. I'm just being real.
Speaker 1: I think what we saw with Coach Button, what they've
Speaker 1: done with Yanness this year, playing with thirty two minutes
Speaker 1: a game or whatever it is, you know, and you
Speaker 1: look for thirty six and I think Joker's numbers are
Speaker 1: still slightly a tab bit better, But you know, playing
Speaker 1: for different things out of the Bucks of the three seed. Uh, Jannice.
Speaker 1: I think it's established himself currently as the most dominant
Speaker 1: player in the league. You could say it's k D.
Speaker 1: But after Katie lost that series last year to him,
Speaker 1: and I remember we were all that, you know, after
Speaker 1: Khaleli's graduation, we all at Dad's house watching the game,
Speaker 1: and it was a foregone conclusion if Katie got the ball,
Speaker 1: member Dad saying they should just found him, get them
Speaker 1: two free throws. You know, like you don't even want
Speaker 1: one of the shoot because if he shoots, is gonna
Speaker 1: make it. And this is coming from you know, Emmy
Speaker 1: Award win winning Milwaukee Bucks, you know, a color commentator.
Speaker 1: So you know, you know that he's being real about it,
Speaker 1: and we're all just in agreement, and he shoots the shot.
Speaker 1: I think we had a big gas foot and you know,
Speaker 1: now we get to turn up at game three. I know,
Speaker 1: y'all was at Game six. You're really getting it flares
Speaker 1: out everything like at three and four whatever, y'all. Yeah, y'all,
Speaker 1: y'all stayed for the now about that. We didn't had
Speaker 1: to work. Yeah, it was all good. But but just
Speaker 1: just just the way that yann has changed the game
Speaker 1: and how good he's gotten. You know, he has a
Speaker 1: basketball player. You only started playing when he was four team.
Speaker 1: This stuff, I have to remind people of constant he's
Speaker 1: still getting better, getting ship in this game. Imagine how quickly,
Speaker 1: how much work you have to put in to get
Speaker 1: that good that quick how many hours in the gym,
Speaker 1: how much dedication. I think that's the thing about y
Speaker 1: honest that I respect the most about this game because
Speaker 1: you see you when you saw it when he was
Speaker 1: draft I remember when they were talking about drafting him
Speaker 1: and his name was floating around. I did some digging
Speaker 1: on YouTube and I found like this grainy video of
Speaker 1: him playing on like a tartan floor of greefs a too,
Speaker 1: but he's running around at six nine. I was just
Speaker 1: looking at how quickly he can get up the floor
Speaker 1: and I'm like, this dude, dribble it in three dripples.
Speaker 1: And you could see little things like that where you
Speaker 1: gave project out a guy being, you know, one of
Speaker 1: the one of the top guys in the league. The
Speaker 1: league has been a trip this year, man, it's been
Speaker 1: a real trip. Um. You like Yoker for m v P.
Speaker 1: What about Rookie of the Year who impressed you the
Speaker 1: most this year. It's a tight race because you got
Speaker 1: k you got Evan, you got Ja. I mean who
Speaker 1: impressed you the most? I mean I love Scottie Barr.
Speaker 1: I think the just the intensity and the hustle in
Speaker 1: the heart that he played with. But Evan Mobley too obvious,
Speaker 1: l a guy Inland Empire guy. Uh you know, lad
Speaker 1: rookies and rebounds, blocks, double doubles. Had that Calve squad.
Speaker 1: And again, if you're gonna talk about these things, obviously
Speaker 1: you have to your preference to give the nuance that
Speaker 1: Calves team probably shouldn't have been in the playing game.
Speaker 1: But you know, Jared Allen gets hurt. I want to say,
Speaker 1: early March or whatever it was, mrs a significant amount
Speaker 1: of time and that defense goes from like with fifth
Speaker 1: rank to like twenty second whatever it was. You see
Speaker 1: a noticeable shift in that squad. He's their anchor and
Speaker 1: to lose that, that's a lot to put on Evan
Speaker 1: Mobile as a rookie to come in and be like,
Speaker 1: all right, now, you gotta you gotta carry that load
Speaker 1: and get us over the hump. But you know, I
Speaker 1: think Mobile probably will get it. But I think any
Speaker 1: of those guys in Kade obviously came on strong case
Speaker 1: stuff because he's playing for a trash team right now.
Speaker 1: But I think if you look at that squad and
Speaker 1: where their future looks like it's gonna go, and if
Speaker 1: he develops what he's gonna be, you know, the Pistons
Speaker 1: fans got a lot to be excited about. But I
Speaker 1: think you can't go wrong. It's hard, man, because you
Speaker 1: look at all the nuanced context. You get all the
Speaker 1: nerds and tweeves in with the numbers and whatever, but
Speaker 1: there's so much and my guess, my biggest problem is,
Speaker 1: especially with the voting, it's just who gets to vote.
Speaker 1: I think we look at media and like, I love
Speaker 1: the guys in the TNT crew, But when you're preparing
Speaker 1: for shows and doing all these other things you're doing,
Speaker 1: you're not watching every other game in the league. If
Speaker 1: you're you know, a beat reporter or whatever, Yeah, you
Speaker 1: get to see these teams once twice, three times a year.
Speaker 1: You're watching your home team, you know, for the for
Speaker 1: the whole duration. But it's hard to get a real
Speaker 1: litmus test and judge these guys because you're not seeing
Speaker 1: a full sample of what they're able to do so,
Speaker 1: I generally respect players more about Obviously, players can be
Speaker 1: biased to you know, players could be salty and haters
Speaker 1: and you get Booze involved in you know, Instagram chicks
Speaker 1: and you know all the type of things that they do.
Speaker 1: So there's always that lingering level of bitterness and whatever
Speaker 1: going on that may de turn sway their opinion. But coaches,
Speaker 1: players me, I think everything needs to kind of come
Speaker 1: together and figure out a balance. Because for me to
Speaker 1: sit there and act like they watch every game, you're
Speaker 1: not watching that. You know that that local market, whatever
Speaker 1: game during the week, you're just not you know, you
Speaker 1: can watch the national games, and obviously guys are gonna
Speaker 1: play harder in my opinion when they're on national TV
Speaker 1: and they know they've got more balls on them. But
Speaker 1: to try and formulate an opinion of who the best
Speaker 1: guy is, even my crunching stats and numbers, those things
Speaker 1: will lie to you, like defensive rating and things like that.
Speaker 1: There's five guys on the court, so if you've got
Speaker 1: you know, strong anchors on your defensive squad, everybody's gonna
Speaker 1: benefit from that, you know what I mean. It's not
Speaker 1: like it's not like, oh, I mean he's a great Yeah,
Speaker 1: then you put them on a trash defensive union. It's like, oh,
Speaker 1: he's not a great us, Like, come on man, like
Speaker 1: all that stuff. I just think there's no context in
Speaker 1: nuance with a lot of discussion the arguments that have
Speaker 1: and like Barkley said, there's kind of this contingent now
Speaker 1: that's come out and guys that never really hooped but
Speaker 1: now try to calculate and formulate and give you numbers
Speaker 1: and it's like, yeah, but I'm I'm more with trusting
Speaker 1: opinion of a K D, of a Draymond, somebody like
Speaker 1: yourself who's actually done it at a high level than
Speaker 1: you know, the guy who's good a typing or or
Speaker 1: or you know, I understand what I understand where those
Speaker 1: guys you described, like where they get off and why
Speaker 1: they have that sort of audacity to come with it,
Speaker 1: because you know, there's something to be said for data
Speaker 1: and the science argument and all that, but there's also
Speaker 1: something to be said for the eye test. And from
Speaker 1: a guy from from Hoop from fellow Hoopers coaches, I'm
Speaker 1: a big believer in that that all the awards should
Speaker 1: be you know, decided by at least a combination of
Speaker 1: coaches and media, is not just one or the other.
Speaker 1: So like, you know, because they play more value on
Speaker 1: the NBA Coach of the Year that's decided by the media,
Speaker 1: but Money Williams just won one decided by the coaches,
Speaker 1: and it's kind of like not as you know, a
Speaker 1: big deal. I just feel like he needs to be
Speaker 1: a combination of both. Let's get some opinions, some ideas
Speaker 1: and thoughts from people that are actually uh like coaches
Speaker 1: and players that are actually in the thick of everything.
Speaker 1: But speaking of the thicker things, man, I know you've
Speaker 1: been talking about this a lot, man, but I wanted
Speaker 1: to talk to you about it because you know, we're
Speaker 1: Lebron folks. We used to you know, we had the
Speaker 1: Lebron folks. Had a chance, had a chance to see
Speaker 1: him in Milwaukee. He took some nice photos with him.
Speaker 1: He was very gracious and kind and cool. I was
Speaker 1: shocked on how cool he was. But this year, man,
Speaker 1: l A fans have been tearing his ass up. They've
Speaker 1: been on his head. They're saying late GM has failed us.
Speaker 1: Now I hear some reports about Mark Jackson. Man just
Speaker 1: a couple of comments on just through the lens that
Speaker 1: you're seeing, it's like, what the hell is going on
Speaker 1: with that Lakers organization? And it is Mark Jackson going
Speaker 1: to be the guy that could kind of turn this
Speaker 1: thing around. When when you look at Lebron James, I
Speaker 1: think it's a testament to his greatness that the man
Speaker 1: is in year nineteen still getting compared to guys that
Speaker 1: are in year eleven, year twelve in their prime. Before
Speaker 1: the season even started, I remember I worked the NBA
Speaker 1: Twitter Live for the Lakers Warrior season opener, and my
Speaker 1: whole thought precess was like, look lebronx older ship, and
Speaker 1: we have to accept that we we seen some great
Speaker 1: things from his career. He's elevated and adapted over time.
Speaker 1: You know, I think we were more hopeful and optimistic
Speaker 1: that he'd be able to shift to a power forward
Speaker 1: type role, kind of like a souped up Karl Malone.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't respect the car it does off
Speaker 1: the court, but as a hooper like souped up Karl
Speaker 1: Malone and his ability not have to be ball dominant,
Speaker 1: get to conserve some of that energy, not have to
Speaker 1: you know, carry the load. So I think even seeing
Speaker 1: these thirty points per game, I was never really excited
Speaker 1: about that. It's like, yeah, it's great to see Lebron
Speaker 1: getting buckets, but at what cost? You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: It's like that. I was like, you know, at what
Speaker 1: costs are we looking at all this stuff? I think
Speaker 1: A D was supposed to be that guy now who
Speaker 1: took over Lebron, brought him into basically now carry the
Speaker 1: torch Rust. I mean, U c l a guy, you'r
Speaker 1: U c l a guy. It didn't really work out.
Speaker 1: It was hard. But you also talking about a D
Speaker 1: missing forty games and the impact that has. I think
Speaker 1: that's kind of that's the issue. Come on, a D
Speaker 1: not there, I mean, what's your thing's gonna happen? So
Speaker 1: you talk about to be bad mouth Rust and Vogel
Speaker 1: and now all this stuff is coming out. Never seemed
Speaker 1: like a good fit. You know, you had Damar. I
Speaker 1: did no chill with Gilbert Arenas and we had tomorrow
Speaker 1: on and he was telling us about how he thought
Speaker 1: he was gonna go to the Lakers. Thought it was
Speaker 1: pretty much a done deal. So you think about that,
Speaker 1: that big three a little bit more compatible with each
Speaker 1: other on paper. But a D miss forty games. So
Speaker 1: whatever we want to talk about or or fingerpoint or whatever.
Speaker 1: And that's not to blame he You never want to
Speaker 1: blame somebody for injury. But if he's playing at least
Speaker 1: twenty five of those forty games, it's a different outlook,
Speaker 1: different seed. I'm not saying there another one seed, but
Speaker 1: they're in the playoffs comfortably. It's a different feel to it.
Speaker 1: It's the same thing last year. Uh. You know when
Speaker 1: a d goes down to injury in the playoffs about
Speaker 1: to go up three one on the Sun's you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, it's it was. It was a foregone conclusion.
Speaker 1: Then he gets hurt and you can just see the
Speaker 1: season turn right there. Sons go to the championship. You
Speaker 1: tell me Lakers Bucks Championship. I think they would have
Speaker 1: had the mental edge O Rihanna's and you know, those
Speaker 1: same things aren't happening. The Lakers win that championship. But
Speaker 1: if as or butts are cookies and nuts and all
Speaker 1: that goodness, so it doesn't really matter. I think it's
Speaker 1: a bron fans. If you want to call le GM
Speaker 1: and talk about the failure and all, you're a terrible gym,
Speaker 1: then let's talk about the ten finals appearances, the four championships,
Speaker 1: uh GM ing of four time m v P, four
Speaker 1: time finals MVP and that caveat. It's funny, man, when
Speaker 1: when when things don't go Lebron's way, all Lebron's asshole,
Speaker 1: He's a team rown or whatever. We see the same
Speaker 1: type of things with Kobe, same type of things with
Speaker 1: Jordan's I think there was a lot of comparisons, uh to.
Speaker 1: You know, Lebron and Kobe, and Kobe want to do
Speaker 1: this and Combe want to did that. Lakers were at
Speaker 1: sixteen or seventeen and sixty five. You know in Kobe's
Speaker 1: final two seasons, we're there, we know what time it is,
Speaker 1: and it's a level of delusion. This is no not
Speaker 1: to Kobe. Kobe is in your nineteen twenty his body,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. At that point, man is
Speaker 1: working out ten eleven hours a day. You can't do
Speaker 1: that for twenty years and not expect your body to
Speaker 1: eventually turn on you. Your body will be trade. You
Speaker 1: know that ship. I can't walk around now, and I'm
Speaker 1: not even a good hooper. Needs still hurt, and I
Speaker 1: wasn't putting it anywhere near that amount of work. But
Speaker 1: just you know, but just kind of the tearing RiPP
Speaker 1: lebron It's like, okay, so, but it's Polinka Executive of
Speaker 1: the Year when things go that way, when they orchestrate
Speaker 1: the A D trade and win the championship, and I
Speaker 1: see a lot of people like, oh, just four years,
Speaker 1: what would you grade at It's like how many championship
Speaker 1: do you think teams win? Right? Like, like what team
Speaker 1: has won four championships? The knocking of the bubble, it's like,
Speaker 1: you know the front of the bubble, and the bubble
Speaker 1: wasn't so if it was so fucking easy. Nobody can
Speaker 1: ever explain that to me. If it was so easy,
Speaker 1: why didn't your team win it? And some of your
Speaker 1: team didn't even make the ship to win it, so
Speaker 1: it was so easy. So basically, and it's sad because
Speaker 1: they say that and they're really just shipping on their team.
Speaker 1: They're saying how terrible their team, and they don't even
Speaker 1: think about it, like, oh, yeah, well whatever, it doesn't count. Like, motherfucker,
Speaker 1: you go to fucking prison at Disney World where you
Speaker 1: can't leave. You have to blow it down, like J R.
Speaker 1: Smith said, a lot of guys don't smoke dough though,
Speaker 1: like that down you know, there's a different level hoop
Speaker 1: or somewhody. Wait, so what did you so? J R.
Speaker 1: Was saying it was going too much out there. They
Speaker 1: were just smoking heavy, you know what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 1: getting it in something they can do. Some dudes can
Speaker 1: do it. Joe Subkin. Fox Sports Radio has the best
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Speaker 1: And I've talked to several media members people were out there.
Speaker 1: It was, you know, you your quarantine for two weeks,
Speaker 1: coming out there, chilling in the hotel room. You can't
Speaker 1: dip cameras everywhere, getting the jankie meal service food. Then
Speaker 1: you can finally move. But there's different levels of places
Speaker 1: you can be and you can't be. So everybody's getting
Speaker 1: turned up, drinking heavily, smoke, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: But there's just nothing else to do to pass the time.
Speaker 1: It's not like you can go out do what you
Speaker 1: wanna do, like eventually got family in there, but it's
Speaker 1: literally like a prison, so to see that happen. But again,
Speaker 1: this is this is the testament to the bronze greenness,
Speaker 1: because no matter what he does, it will always be
Speaker 1: a conversation if you're gonna tear somebody down that much.
Speaker 1: You know, first year he got hurt, they were like
Speaker 1: fourth in the West. You know, I'm not saying they
Speaker 1: would have finished there, but that was a playoff team. Obviously,
Speaker 1: entry he missed like thirty games. Next year, win the championship.
Speaker 1: You after that make the playoffs, lose to eventual Western
Speaker 1: Conference champions after your star player goes down in a
Speaker 1: d and this year, yeah, you know, if you want
Speaker 1: to call it a failure, eleven seat, it was disappointed.
Speaker 1: You were hoping they would kind of turn it on
Speaker 1: towards the end start tricking off. They tricked off a
Speaker 1: lot of you know, like rockets, stundard like games. It
Speaker 1: was just like the thunder game. Bro. I was like, man,
Speaker 1: and you know, it sad because you're watching these games
Speaker 1: and even they're up twenty five, it's like they're probably
Speaker 1: gonna win it, you know, and you have to watch
Speaker 1: it like you're not like not getting jokes off, not
Speaker 1: getting nervous, feeling nervous, pessimistic, like I can't fire these tweets.
Speaker 1: I have to make sure the game is really in
Speaker 1: that decided like before, I can get him out, but
Speaker 1: we'll see. And it's like Lebron is not getting no younger.
Speaker 1: We'll see what those are made this offseason. In terms
Speaker 1: of coaching, there's not really a name that's super sexy.
Speaker 1: Nick Nurse cool, Quinn Snyder. I like Quinn. I think
Speaker 1: he's a player's coaching and he could stand up for
Speaker 1: a change of scenery. Mark Jackson, you know, if you
Speaker 1: want to give Steve Kerk credit, it's funnier man watching
Speaker 1: this winning time uh, you know show, and it's like,
Speaker 1: if you want to give uh Westfall and pat Riley credit,
Speaker 1: go back to Jack McKinney, you know, not for an
Speaker 1: unfortunate Jakie bike incident, you know, accident. But Mark Jackson's
Speaker 1: imprint is on that squad in terms of getting staff
Speaker 1: and getting claim getting those guys to the level they
Speaker 1: were at. Steve Kerr obviously gets all the praise and credit,
Speaker 1: and I say he's the greatest coaching or worst coaching
Speaker 1: or whatever it may be. But I just don't dock
Speaker 1: another name. There's no real name out there other than
Speaker 1: like Phil. We know Phil got the Jankie back and
Speaker 1: he's not really trying to his heart's not in it.
Speaker 1: It's just not a name that's gonna get fans excited
Speaker 1: and riled up. It's weird too, because you know, it's
Speaker 1: like fans have this idea of who they want, you know,
Speaker 1: in their mind, who they want to coach, and if
Speaker 1: it's not that name, dog, they do whatever they do,
Speaker 1: really tear down some of the names that are out there.
Speaker 1: I saw somewhere, I don't know if it's on your show,
Speaker 1: you guys talk about John Howard uh potentially coming in. Um,
Speaker 1: I like Jowan, I like A, it's gotta for me.
Speaker 1: It's got to be somebody that's played in the league
Speaker 1: and that you know, basically just understands how to deal
Speaker 1: with these guys, you know Lebrons, and you know it
Speaker 1: takes a special kind of a coach. You can't just
Speaker 1: remember David Blant was in Cleveland for like all of
Speaker 1: like I don't know, I don't know if it's a
Speaker 1: year season but less than the season, but just how
Speaker 1: that just didn't work and from day one, and you
Speaker 1: just sensed it by Lebron's body language. If they bring
Speaker 1: it in Quinn Schneider and some of these type of dudes.
Speaker 1: I'll be interested to see just just how that works.
Speaker 1: Stand on winning. I think Doc might be an option. Doc.
Speaker 1: You know we have we have Paul Pierce on the
Speaker 1: show out there in All Star Week, and Paul and
Speaker 1: Doc has some issues when Doc first got there. But
Speaker 1: Doc is a hooper. I think he can relate and
Speaker 1: connect to superstars with Lebron and ads magnitude. And again,
Speaker 1: to your point, you respect guys who did it a
Speaker 1: lot more than gud. I don't care what everybody says.
Speaker 1: And it's not a knock expo with some of the
Speaker 1: great coaches in the game. But if I'm Jimmy Butler,
Speaker 1: I might not come in Doc the same way that
Speaker 1: I'm gonna coming spoke and then, yeah, you saw that,
Speaker 1: you saw Jimmy j was going at it. But it's
Speaker 1: like again, Doctor, you know he can't control jam. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's throwing James Harden under the bus, so it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, he's not even dealing with him. Beating hardened
Speaker 1: to me in the right kind of way. The energy
Speaker 1: out in Philly is a little weird, so I mean again,
Speaker 1: it's it's just gonna be interesting to see. But man,
Speaker 1: I wanted to talk to you about Winning Time because
Speaker 1: I wanted to find out just what and just to
Speaker 1: explain to the audience on just sort of what creative
Speaker 1: license means and in this in your world, Joe, because
Speaker 1: people are really but heard about the portrayal of Jerry
Speaker 1: West and some of the other characters. But I don't
Speaker 1: think you know the grasping of what the creative license
Speaker 1: and what this show is really you know about, and
Speaker 1: what the liberty that the writers and the producers took
Speaker 1: with some of the character portrayal. Can you get into
Speaker 1: that a little bit for me? I would say, Look,
Speaker 1: I have a tremendous amount ofspect for everybody involved in
Speaker 1: the show. Ronnie Bars won the EPs on the show.
Speaker 1: He worked on Legendar Chamber of Heights with us. I
Speaker 1: love Rodney Max Barrensteins as a guy I'm a big
Speaker 1: fan of. But when you watch that show, you just
Speaker 1: gotta realize the Hooper, that show is not made for you, right,
Speaker 1: It's made for the average human being who's more of
Speaker 1: like a Bill Simmons fan, who really, you know, doesn't
Speaker 1: really know Hoop and kind of just wants to know
Speaker 1: what happened in that world and to your point, you're
Speaker 1: gonna take a lot of creative license. Like, you know,
Speaker 1: it's funny you talked to to our father Marcus Johnson,
Speaker 1: who's a you know, a Hall of Fame finalist, knows
Speaker 1: all these guys. You know, obviously you spend a tremendous
Speaker 1: amount of time with Norm Nixon and and some of
Speaker 1: the crew, so to see, and I can just see
Speaker 1: as a producer and putting my writer cap on, it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: I gotta try to exploit some of that drama and
Speaker 1: create some of that tension. But for me, it's like
Speaker 1: it's it's tough at times when it's like, oh, you
Speaker 1: want to show this tension with with Magic and Norman.
Speaker 1: I know where they're going with it because that was
Speaker 1: one of the most dominant backcourts in NBA history, both
Speaker 1: averaging like eight nine assists, like elevated Norm's game too
Speaker 1: another level, elevated Magic game to who another level for
Speaker 1: a couple of years that they played together. But stuff
Speaker 1: for me, like I'm a big history buff and it's
Speaker 1: when I see things like you know, they had the
Speaker 1: episode where they're playing against the Clippers and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: Magic doesn't doesn't follow the playing in bounded to Kareem
Speaker 1: for the game when he's sky hook But it's like
Speaker 1: Magic didn't take the ball on that game, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. Like, so when you go back and
Speaker 1: watch and it's the things that we have in the
Speaker 1: YouTube world, so that there's some decision that I made.
Speaker 1: I understand you want to show some of the contention
Speaker 1: and dissension whatever how Magic is now coming into the
Speaker 1: star role. But I think you can accomplish that just
Speaker 1: as easily of showing Magic overreacting to this first game
Speaker 1: of the season and Kareem having to kind of keep
Speaker 1: him in check. Yeah. Shout out to to to Quincy,
Speaker 1: Isaia and Solomon Hughes, Big Solomon the Legends killing. I mean, honestly,
Speaker 1: I feel like he's gonna deserve some some award, you know,
Speaker 1: consideration first portrayal of Kareem is is phenomenal. That that
Speaker 1: see where he was doing the yoga on the cliff
Speaker 1: and Jerry came to see him. He didn't say nothing
Speaker 1: to him, but it was just a cold like just
Speaker 1: he I knew it. I went to school with his sister.
Speaker 1: His sister passed away. Kisa huge he played well, yeah
Speaker 1: so she but she was big time basketball U l
Speaker 1: A and ended a past in the way at to
Speaker 1: some rare disease. Man, we went to the funeral, but
Speaker 1: this is years ago. But uh, Solomon, you know, it's
Speaker 1: always you know, I'm really happy for him and that
Speaker 1: great dude man Saloman's brothers one of the best dudes
Speaker 1: that So I was at the Premier All Star weekend
Speaker 1: just nothing but love and that's my thing. And I understand,
Speaker 1: you know, being on working on the show of Colin Kaepernick,
Speaker 1: there were decisions that we had to make some some
Speaker 1: stuff that we had to change to help story, but
Speaker 1: we tried to be consistent if we did something, you know,
Speaker 1: like he threw no hitters, but I believe it was
Speaker 1: a senior year, but the way we framed the story,
Speaker 1: we showed it as a junior year, but just to
Speaker 1: show how good at baseball he was, to show how
Speaker 1: how much attention to love, you know. I wrote that
Speaker 1: episode and it was like y'all was getting scholarship from
Speaker 1: every everywhere around the country to really heightened and build
Speaker 1: that up. So I understand that the choices they're making
Speaker 1: too was showing these things that Jerry Westing, as you know,
Speaker 1: as a Hooper. Things will gett overblown sometimes, like that
Speaker 1: Shaq Kobe situation. That's not a big deal, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're cussing out dudes, fighting dudes. You know,
Speaker 1: you play with Ed O'Bannon, who was one of the
Speaker 1: most you know, crying and lockingroom, you know, but just
Speaker 1: it's not going hard with ever. Stuff that a lot
Speaker 1: of people didn't see behind the scenes, But now you
Speaker 1: see how you elevate to a championship level. That's just
Speaker 1: a part of being a champion. You're gonna have people.
Speaker 1: It's working in the film industry as well. People you
Speaker 1: don't see. I I would get along with You're gonna
Speaker 1: bud heads would cut each other out. But I think
Speaker 1: from a square perspective seeing that, they're always like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, that's really just put from us. It's like ship,
Speaker 1: we were cool, like we had dude fight, dude fight,
Speaker 1: ready to kill each other, you know, on a Tuesday Wednesday.
Speaker 1: It's all good because you gave me the rock and
Speaker 1: I dropp plenty. Like it's not you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's not it's not nothing that we hold onto with
Speaker 1: this bitter grudge. So for them to portray Jerry is
Speaker 1: this like consummate loser. Like he's going against some of
Speaker 1: the most dominant teams in history. Yeah, that's gonna linger
Speaker 1: on them. But if everybody who knows Jerry can he
Speaker 1: beats early or whatever. Yeah, if you don't know the dude.
Speaker 1: Same with Kareem. I always tell people like I see Kareem,
Speaker 1: like shoot people away or whatever. He don't shoot us away.
Speaker 1: When I see Kareem is love that hugs photo, love
Speaker 1: your show, like you know, like we don't have the
Speaker 1: same experience, so I understand, but some people could be
Speaker 1: that was always a knock, always an asshole. He's difficult,
Speaker 1: and it's like, you know, we interviewed John Wooden back
Speaker 1: to day and they're walking around talking about looking at
Speaker 1: that big black in word and he's a freak show
Speaker 1: and everywhere he goes he's getting It's like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't really be rocking with y'all either. I'd always kind
Speaker 1: of have my guard up as well, not knowing how's
Speaker 1: the weather up there, jokes like you know, I'm not
Speaker 1: funny anymore. That's not funny. Seventeen times the same weather
Speaker 1: we're literally like eight inches apart. It's the same weather.
Speaker 1: Cheap the same weather. Oh, man, Joe, what's up for
Speaker 1: you for the rest of this year? Man? What's what's
Speaker 1: coming down the pipeline for you? Bro? I know you've
Speaker 1: got stuff on the table, man, can't you. I mean, wait,
Speaker 1: didn y'all get nominated for a Peabody for the nominated
Speaker 1: for a Peabody Me and Gil Me and Gil want
Speaker 1: It's funny man, Gilt like we had airy spears on.
Speaker 1: But before the show, Gil, like, you know you want
Speaker 1: about your awards, right, I'm like I did not just
Speaker 1: like started rattling off all these awards. We either one
Speaker 1: or we're like finals for It was like, damn, but
Speaker 1: I'm just here, like, you know, just just happy to
Speaker 1: be working with you. But yeah, Colin in black and White,
Speaker 1: we want to ule as the Image Award, uh for
Speaker 1: Best Limited Series, got nominated for a Peabody Award. I
Speaker 1: did another show with Abra du Rene called Chairs Today.
Speaker 1: Super excited about that should be dropping soon. A lot
Speaker 1: different than anything I'm used to, Yeah, for sure, on
Speaker 1: um Uh developing a lot of projects. Man, Honestly, it's
Speaker 1: it's great. I'm starting to meet It's funny. Uh. You know,
Speaker 1: I tell people, I'll tell you candidly like like where
Speaker 1: I was at a year ago and kind of the
Speaker 1: funny styling and who are you and like we need
Speaker 1: more information about you and blah blah blah, and now
Speaker 1: like oh Josiah, like yeah, we would have do all
Speaker 1: this ship with you and it's funny to see, but
Speaker 1: that's kind of Hollywood with a nutshell. So I've always
Speaker 1: stayed humble, stayed super appreciative and thankful. And for me,
Speaker 1: I'm still like a kid in the candy store. Like
Speaker 1: I said, I get to walk into you know, Turner
Speaker 1: Studios in Atlanta and C Shack C Canny C dudes
Speaker 1: as they're literally about to go on the air, you know,
Speaker 1: have same makeup artists as them, kind of going again,
Speaker 1: you know, you know that feel where you get to
Speaker 1: make like how sweet you feel. And but my thing
Speaker 1: is like you know, even with the crew and everybody
Speaker 1: I work with, it is always just being humble and
Speaker 1: understand that I've been on your guys side. I've worked
Speaker 1: with great talent. I'm working not so great talent, and
Speaker 1: I know that I never want to be on that
Speaker 1: not so great list. With everybody I'm working with, just
Speaker 1: being super respectful of their time and just showing I'm
Speaker 1: a real human being just like everybody else. And I'm
Speaker 1: super thankful. I just some ship with the NFL last
Speaker 1: week broadcast boot Camp, we got to hang out with
Speaker 1: like Richard Sherman and dudes, and I'm fan the McCarthy
Speaker 1: twins and you know, Gerald McCoy and all types of
Speaker 1: just legend Kyle van Noy dudes. I'm like fanboying about,
Speaker 1: you know, and my people are like, you know that
Speaker 1: they're they when you're they came up, they were the happiest,
Speaker 1: They're most excited about that ship. And I'm just like, yo,
Speaker 1: I'm telling these guys like, look, yeah, I get a
Speaker 1: lot of these hosting opportunities, but it's because I've been
Speaker 1: able to leverage my brand and leverage my social to
Speaker 1: open those things up. I'm not getting those opportunities if
Speaker 1: I don't have that, Like you know, people mess with me,
Speaker 1: and I understand it. I'm not delusional about it. I'm
Speaker 1: a solid host. I'm getting a lot better. Like Guilt Show,
Speaker 1: first couple of episodes are kind of rough, kind of
Speaker 1: just shifted into that spot, learning Gil's tendencies. You know,
Speaker 1: it's kind of having to be like a point guard,
Speaker 1: traffic cop, be able to really you know, control kind
Speaker 1: of the show, but getting a lot more comfortable in
Speaker 1: those spaces and and really enjoying the men and thriving,
Speaker 1: and like, you know, I saw what Dad did, saw
Speaker 1: what you did. Was always super envious. I remember us
Speaker 1: working like see how you have championship game back in
Speaker 1: the day with modern day Artisa with James Harden were twins. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're twins, you know, which is another funny a story.
Speaker 1: That's why I always rocked with Harden because I remember
Speaker 1: I told y'all, they made me go shoot, go shoot,
Speaker 1: be rolling in both locker rooms, going Mater Day's locker room.
Speaker 1: It's somber. It's like a funeral in there, like the
Speaker 1: weird twin. Everybody super quiet. Gary mcneida going our TEASER's
Speaker 1: locker room hard and got the whole room pumped up,
Speaker 1: freestyling getting in. I just watched out, like, yo, our
Speaker 1: team is about to kick they ask tonight like Harden Wade.
Speaker 1: Harden had this locker room just ready to go. And
Speaker 1: that's why I even see something knocks on him now
Speaker 1: like he's a bad teammate or whatever. Like every dude
Speaker 1: in the locker room, Ernardo Sydney, all these dudes rocking
Speaker 1: with James turned up ready to go out there to work. Man.
Speaker 1: But it was always envy. So the stuff you guys
Speaker 1: were doing, did a ton of production work behind the scene.
Speaker 1: Ship always wanted more so now to be able to
Speaker 1: go out there and actually do it at a high
Speaker 1: level of phenomena. Man, I'm super thankful and blessed for
Speaker 1: everything I'm doing. We're doing the great job, man, and
Speaker 1: keep crushing it, bro. This year is gonna be the
Speaker 1: best year. Man. I appreciate you for coming through, ladies
Speaker 1: and gentlemen, Josiah Johnson, and that's it. I thought we
Speaker 1: had some more and more of this, but I appreciate
Speaker 1: you. You You got the quick boy. I appreciate you, no doubt.