WEBVTT - KJ Live - King Josiah 0:00:01.280 --> 0:00:10.360 This is kJ Live with Chris Johnson. Allen and Chris 0:00:10.440 --> 0:00:13.680 is having conversations with influencers in the sports world and 0:00:13.920 --> 0:00:21.040 entertainment industry. Now here's Chris Johnson. You are now tuned 0:00:21.120 --> 0:00:25.600 in to kJ Live. Today's guest on the show. It's 0:00:25.600 --> 0:00:28.840 one of my all time favorites. He is a world 0:00:28.880 --> 0:00:35.400 renowned Twitter legend. He's also a producer. He writes films. 0:00:36.560 --> 0:00:39.080 He's worked at the NFL Network. He created a show 0:00:39.120 --> 0:00:41.960 that was on Comedy Central. This dude is talented. He's 0:00:41.960 --> 0:00:45.640 also my younger brother. Let's welcome in Joe Siah Johnson, 0:00:45.720 --> 0:00:48.919 the King. Josiah Johnson's in the building. What's up? Joe's 0:00:48.920 --> 0:00:51.320 going down with it? Man? Thank you for making time 0:00:51.360 --> 0:00:54.160 for your brother. Dog. I I look I can when 0:00:54.160 --> 0:00:55.800 I try to see John. I gotta turn on Ted 0:00:55.920 --> 0:00:58.720 teena ship. I gotta find a job. What's up, man? 0:00:58.760 --> 0:01:01.360 What's going on with you? Dog? On a major bag 0:01:01.400 --> 0:01:05.399 finesse request. Uh. I just got back from Atlanta. I 0:01:05.440 --> 0:01:07.960 was out there doing some stuff with NBA, Twitter Live 0:01:08.000 --> 0:01:09.880 and with some Bleacher Report. But yeah, man, it's happy 0:01:09.880 --> 0:01:11.320 to be happy to be getting bags. Happy to be 0:01:11.319 --> 0:01:14.720 out here getting it. Uh, loving life and appreciate you 0:01:14.760 --> 0:01:18.560 having me on now. How is life kind of changed 0:01:18.560 --> 0:01:21.679 in the last four to five years for you? Uh, 0:01:21.720 --> 0:01:23.240 you know, you've been going at this for a while. 0:01:23.880 --> 0:01:25.920 I feel like, you know, the kind of critical mass 0:01:26.000 --> 0:01:28.319 hit maybe in the last two years or so, if 0:01:28.360 --> 0:01:31.319 you agree with that, where people just last year probably 0:01:31.319 --> 0:01:33.760 really last last year, you became a national phenomena in 0:01:33.800 --> 0:01:35.920 New York Times. How has life changed for you, Joe? 0:01:36.680 --> 0:01:38.319 I mean, you know how this this game goes. Obviously 0:01:38.319 --> 0:01:39.720 growing up in l A and just kind of dealing 0:01:39.720 --> 0:01:42.679 with the peaks and valleys of hoop of career whatever. 0:01:42.760 --> 0:01:45.320 So going from having a show on Comedy Central, show, 0:01:45.360 --> 0:01:48.440 getting canceled, people not really working with me, you know, 0:01:48.600 --> 0:01:51.559 no job, opportunity, phone not ringing to, you know, getting 0:01:51.560 --> 0:01:54.800 back on it, grinding, figuring it all out, you know, 0:01:54.840 --> 0:01:57.440 working with you know, Michael Starburry and able to renee 0:01:57.520 --> 0:01:59.720 Colin Kaepernick, doing that show, which was kind of the 0:01:59.720 --> 0:02:01.480 first kind of jump start. I was doing some other 0:02:01.480 --> 0:02:04.040 stuff too with this company Attention. Uh did a show 0:02:04.120 --> 0:02:06.640 Martell has been at called mostly football for accomplishing y'all 0:02:06.640 --> 0:02:08.320 who sports. But it was a lot a lot of 0:02:08.320 --> 0:02:10.640 behind the scenes stuff there. But I think that show, really, 0:02:10.720 --> 0:02:13.480 the mostly Football Show really helped elevate me kind of 0:02:13.560 --> 0:02:15.280 level Matt. Now, we were doing a bunch of sketches 0:02:15.320 --> 0:02:17.400 stuff like that. So I was writing a bunch of stuff, 0:02:17.400 --> 0:02:18.600 acting a bunch of stuff, and a lot of that 0:02:18.639 --> 0:02:20.400 stuff is still I wrote a lot of it with 0:02:20.760 --> 0:02:23.119 being Evergreen, like you know, had like a Rooney Rule 0:02:23.160 --> 0:02:25.240 sketch that I can run every January obviously when we 0:02:25.240 --> 0:02:27.600 know no black coaches are getting hired. That's not changing 0:02:27.639 --> 0:02:30.799 anytime soon. Some things like that. But I really got 0:02:30.800 --> 0:02:32.880 to show my creative voice. And now, you know, in 0:02:32.919 --> 0:02:34.760 the last year, really, you know, since that lebron Co 0:02:34.880 --> 0:02:37.960 signed back in last June, kind of really launched it. 0:02:38.000 --> 0:02:39.920 But even before that, I was doing a bunch of stuff, 0:02:40.160 --> 0:02:42.080 working with a bunch of companies. But now it's, you know, 0:02:42.160 --> 0:02:45.080 like you said New York Times article, athletic, a bunch 0:02:45.080 --> 0:02:47.200 of people rocking with me. Obviously got to be on 0:02:47.919 --> 0:02:51.440 the NBA on TNT Tuesday with Shaq left Co Candice 0:02:51.440 --> 0:02:53.880 in d Wade uh last like, what's that like? Man, 0:02:53.919 --> 0:02:55.679 what's that like? On the set of T and T 0:02:55.840 --> 0:02:57.960 bro what's that like? So I did I did a 0:02:57.960 --> 0:03:00.400 couple of NBA Twitter lodges with him last year during 0:03:00.440 --> 0:03:02.760 the pandemic. But we were shooting robously, super cautious that 0:03:02.800 --> 0:03:04.680 we were shooting the studio and you know, you're just 0:03:04.720 --> 0:03:07.480 walking right away and it's like Charles and Kenny and 0:03:07.520 --> 0:03:10.160 I'm you know, I was there this past week walking, 0:03:10.360 --> 0:03:13.040 you know, for a Hooper basketball players just like you know, 0:03:13.080 --> 0:03:15.400 you try to play it cool or whatever, but walk 0:03:15.480 --> 0:03:18.200 in and Grant Hills there and Grants talking about you 0:03:18.280 --> 0:03:22.120 guys in the team and locking down Jordan's dome and 0:03:22.160 --> 0:03:23.600 I'm telling them how you wanted to go to Duke 0:03:23.680 --> 0:03:25.320 and how salty you were the coach. K did come 0:03:25.360 --> 0:03:27.760 with the scholarship, and he's like, damn for real, like hey, 0:03:27.760 --> 0:03:29.400 did you know Kay did look you know, like he 0:03:29.480 --> 0:03:31.480 saw to you now. But how we used to watch 0:03:31.560 --> 0:03:33.720 him in Italy, you know, just stuff like that. But 0:03:33.840 --> 0:03:36.640 Charles Barkley, Kenny Smith literally in the room with Kenny 0:03:36.680 --> 0:03:38.800 and Kenny, you know, talking about the workouts back in 0:03:38.840 --> 0:03:42.120 the days whatever. He's steaming a suit and I'm like, 0:03:42.200 --> 0:03:44.000 damn it, she was about to come on. He literally 0:03:44.200 --> 0:03:46.280 six seconds later on the air, like you know, doing 0:03:46.280 --> 0:03:48.400 this stuff. But it's so chill laid back and just 0:03:48.440 --> 0:03:49.800 to be able to work with that crew. Just a 0:03:49.840 --> 0:03:52.280 lot of phenomenal human beings. Ernie I've got to talk 0:03:52.280 --> 0:03:54.240 to a little bit, but just you know, super professional, 0:03:54.240 --> 0:03:56.440 always locked in and doing a bunch of work with 0:03:56.440 --> 0:03:58.840 Taylor Rooks and left on that whole crew. So every 0:03:58.840 --> 0:04:00.480 time I go out there. Last week, all ways out there, 0:04:00.480 --> 0:04:02.040 I did the actual show and I was kind of nervous. 0:04:02.080 --> 0:04:05.280 I'm gonna be real, but you know, Walking and Left 0:04:05.280 --> 0:04:07.080 Co's got a good relationship with Sleigh He who's a 0:04:07.080 --> 0:04:11.040 big time designer back East. So give Shack this this 0:04:11.160 --> 0:04:14.720 Canada Goose jacket. Shaq tries on the jacket. It doesn't fit. 0:04:14.760 --> 0:04:16.520 It's a little light on the arms. He looks over 0:04:16.560 --> 0:04:18.560 at me, like, yo, big dog, you know you can 0:04:18.640 --> 0:04:20.600 have this. So I literally just walk in and walk 0:04:20.640 --> 0:04:22.640 out with like a twelve dollar jacket. I'm just minding 0:04:22.680 --> 0:04:24.960 my business kind of kind but that's just the type 0:04:24.960 --> 0:04:26.920 of stuff that goes on there. Man. Everybody's super cool. 0:04:27.160 --> 0:04:30.239 It was cool about Turners. You've got the TNT crew, 0:04:30.720 --> 0:04:33.719 NBA TV crew, You've got the social people. So everybody's 0:04:33.800 --> 0:04:36.000 kind of just hanging out around there. Some NHL stuff 0:04:36.040 --> 0:04:38.839 going on MLB stuff going on. So it's like Jimmy Roylands. 0:04:38.880 --> 0:04:41.400 We're talking about chicken wings and you know, I had 0:04:41.720 --> 0:04:43.960 a negative experience in Magic City. I'm hoping it to prove, 0:04:44.000 --> 0:04:45.400 but they gave me a little baby wings. But he 0:04:45.440 --> 0:04:47.279 was eating some delicious wings. We were talking about that 0:04:47.600 --> 0:04:49.480 Pedro Martinez. So you know, we were big fans of 0:04:49.520 --> 0:04:51.400 the Jerry Crow back in the day and just the 0:04:51.480 --> 0:04:53.440 maximum hold laid down. But these dudes are now just 0:04:53.480 --> 0:04:57.720 hanging out, just all kicking in this area watching a 0:04:57.720 --> 0:04:59.840 bunch of TV screens. They're watching the baseball games. Were 0:04:59.839 --> 0:05:02.479 why in the basketball games? But ridiculous And I just 0:05:02.480 --> 0:05:04.120 tell everybody up there, man, it's just like such a 0:05:04.160 --> 0:05:05.880 tight knit family. Tighten their cruiser. Every time I get 0:05:05.920 --> 0:05:07.039 to go out to Atlanta. I know you've got a 0:05:07.040 --> 0:05:09.160 lot of experience out there, and that's, you know, your 0:05:09.200 --> 0:05:11.160 second home. But every time I get to be out 0:05:11.160 --> 0:05:13.400 there in Midtown, turn up at the Loves, hitting the gym, 0:05:13.839 --> 0:05:16.400 steam room, just just living the life. Getting to feel 0:05:16.400 --> 0:05:18.880 like a celebrity is always a good time. Being rooms. 0:05:18.960 --> 0:05:21.360 So key dog, it is so key man. That's so 0:05:21.480 --> 0:05:22.880 I was like a lot of fun. Man, what are 0:05:22.920 --> 0:05:25.800 your thoughts on the playing so far. I mean, you know, 0:05:25.839 --> 0:05:28.960 when if Adam Silver first brought it to the table, 0:05:29.040 --> 0:05:33.920 there was mixed sort of opinions, mixed um yeah, mixed results. 0:05:34.120 --> 0:05:35.560 What do you what do you think about it so far? 0:05:35.720 --> 0:05:37.920 In the first couple of games, Well, I think last year, 0:05:37.960 --> 0:05:40.159 obviously we saw the Lakers in it, and Lebron and 0:05:40.200 --> 0:05:43.000 A D were necessarily fans of the tournament. They would 0:05:43.040 --> 0:05:45.400 have preferred obviously get that just direct line into the playoffs. 0:05:45.520 --> 0:05:47.760 But we also got to see Lebron dot steps i 0:05:48.279 --> 0:05:51.120 you know, for game and further it just established his 0:05:51.120 --> 0:05:54.480 his goat argument and conversation. And as a Lakers fan, 0:05:54.520 --> 0:05:56.120 a watching the Warriors get smacked, it is always a 0:05:56.120 --> 0:05:58.120 good feeling. This year, I think a lot better. You know, 0:05:58.240 --> 0:06:00.520 Katie and Kyrie in there. They more embraced the challenge, 0:06:00.839 --> 0:06:02.440 they were up for, ready to go. Obviously, I think 0:06:02.480 --> 0:06:04.760 they were playing against a struggling calf team that didn't 0:06:04.760 --> 0:06:06.760 have Jared Allen, who was kind of their defensive anchor 0:06:06.800 --> 0:06:09.360 and you know, the difference maker on that squad. So yes, 0:06:09.440 --> 0:06:10.880 it's it's a lot. You know, you're a lot more 0:06:10.920 --> 0:06:12.840 confident going into that game when the team doesn't have 0:06:12.920 --> 0:06:15.800 arguably their best player, but seeing guys like Darius Garland 0:06:15.880 --> 0:06:18.400 Cook obviously that we we did that game for NBA 0:06:18.440 --> 0:06:21.000 Twitter Live, came home to the hotel, watched the Timberwolves 0:06:21.000 --> 0:06:23.120 Clipper game and we all, you know, we got on 0:06:23.120 --> 0:06:25.960 the Timberwolves for over celebrating. But it's an amazing moment 0:06:25.960 --> 0:06:28.120 and we see it in baseball. We see during the 0:06:28.120 --> 0:06:31.599 tournament guys are emotional. Pat Beth super super emotional guy. 0:06:31.760 --> 0:06:32.680 And for me it was Greg cause I got to 0:06:32.760 --> 0:06:34.760 run my numbers up with with a bunch of memes 0:06:34.800 --> 0:06:36.960 and things like that. But just phenomenal to see how 0:06:37.000 --> 0:06:38.560 much these guys love and care for and getting to 0:06:38.560 --> 0:06:40.520 see Trey. I watched that game on the plane coming 0:06:40.520 --> 0:06:43.600 back to l A. But Trey going up against LaMelo 0:06:44.120 --> 0:06:46.360 and all that stuff. Obviously, Myles Bridges hitting the fan 0:06:46.440 --> 0:06:48.719 with the mouthpiece, it's gonna be a big deal made 0:06:48.720 --> 0:06:50.400 out of it. You know. You know I remember that 0:06:50.760 --> 0:06:57.040 Michigan game when you through the little bullock the breakaway. 0:06:57.080 --> 0:06:59.520 I was ridiculous. Well, I'm just saying, if that would 0:06:59.520 --> 0:07:01.640 it costs the dog? Is that a big story? Now 0:07:01.640 --> 0:07:05.040 it's a mouthpiece rubber, It don't really hurt. But I'll 0:07:05.080 --> 0:07:07.279 say this, I'll say this about sorry about that. I'll 0:07:07.279 --> 0:07:09.840 say this about mouth Bridges. He owned that ship today 0:07:09.880 --> 0:07:12.360 on Twitter, bro, he owned it on Instagram. He here 0:07:12.400 --> 0:07:14.400 and the comments talking about yo, give me a contact 0:07:14.400 --> 0:07:17.280 with this young lady. That's unacceptable on my behalf. I'm 0:07:17.360 --> 0:07:18.960 rolling with that kid. I got a whole new respect 0:07:18.960 --> 0:07:20.640 for that kid. But then it has been live dog 0:07:20.920 --> 0:07:24.600 watching Lamello. I was hoping they give a better fight 0:07:24.800 --> 0:07:27.120 for the Hawks, but you know, Trey out there just 0:07:27.160 --> 0:07:29.880 solving that that that little double team real quick. And 0:07:29.880 --> 0:07:32.680 then you talk about k D and Kyrie and Kyrie 0:07:32.920 --> 0:07:35.360 you know, twelve or twelve coming out looking like just 0:07:35.480 --> 0:07:38.280 a god out there, like one of the greatest players 0:07:38.320 --> 0:07:40.720 I've ever seen play basketball. So yeah, man, I'm all, 0:07:40.800 --> 0:07:44.240 I'm all about this playing every year, bring it, bring 0:07:44.240 --> 0:07:46.680 it home. Man. Even last night with the Pelicans Dogs, 0:07:46.680 --> 0:07:48.640 the Pelicans look live. I don't know if you I 0:07:48.640 --> 0:07:50.840 don't know if you've seen Jose Alvarado, but he got 0:07:50.840 --> 0:07:53.400 he got some ship that reminds you. But it reminds 0:07:53.400 --> 0:07:56.040 of your ship back in the day when you had 0:07:56.080 --> 0:07:58.000 the one curl. I mean it was like a long 0:07:58.200 --> 0:07:59.680 floy I don't know if you've seen him with it 0:07:59.720 --> 0:08:03.720 without the man He's joy is sick phenomenal. I mean, 0:08:03.720 --> 0:08:05.560 I'm happy for that dude, obviously two way getting the 0:08:05.680 --> 0:08:08.080 contract converted and this everything he's been able to bring 0:08:08.120 --> 0:08:10.920 light to that Pelican squad that's still waiting for Zion. 0:08:11.200 --> 0:08:12.640 But what's the thing. We knocked the Pelican for the 0:08:12.680 --> 0:08:15.360 jankie start, and obviously they started boo boo, but you know, 0:08:15.600 --> 0:08:18.200 games with brandon Ingram versus games without brandon Ingram's night 0:08:18.240 --> 0:08:20.440 and day and to see the chip on the shoulder 0:08:20.440 --> 0:08:22.800 that he played with obviously still some lingering bitterness was 0:08:22.920 --> 0:08:26.440 getting traded away from the Lakers, which is understandable, and uh, 0:08:26.480 --> 0:08:28.120 you know, Spurs, I would expect it a little bit 0:08:28.120 --> 0:08:30.080 more of a spirited effort. They came back obviously late 0:08:30.080 --> 0:08:32.240 in the game and made it a game, but you 0:08:32.280 --> 0:08:34.200 knew kind of that the Pelicans were going ahead and 0:08:34.200 --> 0:08:36.040 do that thing. So I'm excited to see how this 0:08:36.040 --> 0:08:37.920 this thing pans out. I know what, They've got the 0:08:37.920 --> 0:08:39.719 Clippers in l A on Friday. That's gonna be a 0:08:40.080 --> 0:08:42.560 exciting interesting game. And yeah, I like the format of 0:08:42.600 --> 0:08:44.679 it kind of has that that turning time feel to it, 0:08:45.080 --> 0:08:47.040 and again kudos to the league for making it happen. 0:08:48.200 --> 0:08:51.280 What did you make of the reaction to pet bev dude, 0:08:51.320 --> 0:08:52.600 I mean, you got a lot of folks you know 0:08:53.080 --> 0:08:55.400 he act likely win the championship. Look I like it, man, 0:08:55.520 --> 0:08:57.640 it was a lot of steak. I was listening to 0:08:57.720 --> 0:08:59.920 Draymond on his podcast and he said and he said it. 0:09:00.000 --> 0:09:02.319 He said, Pat Biggle coming up tonight turned up. He 0:09:02.360 --> 0:09:04.400 playing against this old team. That's how this thing go. 0:09:05.040 --> 0:09:07.719 And that's exactly how it went for him. But it 0:09:07.760 --> 0:09:10.160 seemed like folks was kind of mad because you know, 0:09:10.280 --> 0:09:12.640 he did the KG anything it's possible and jumped up 0:09:12.679 --> 0:09:14.600 on the scores table. What do you think about that? Ship? 0:09:14.800 --> 0:09:16.600 And mean, I loved it. I think I'm watching the 0:09:16.640 --> 0:09:18.320 Hotel and I'm obviously on East Coast and it's like 0:09:18.320 --> 0:09:20.640 twelve thirty whatever it is. I'm getting ready to go 0:09:20.679 --> 0:09:22.720 to sleep, and you know, the game is kind of decided. 0:09:22.960 --> 0:09:24.920 But to see how ham these dudes went. I'm a 0:09:24.920 --> 0:09:27.679 big Anthony Edwards fan. Obviously, what he's been able to 0:09:27.720 --> 0:09:29.680 do Delo that hell crew obviously carled ath Any Towns 0:09:29.679 --> 0:09:32.160 which he had a better performance. But I think with 0:09:32.240 --> 0:09:34.840 Timberwolves fans and they're getting a little sensitive, little emotional 0:09:34.880 --> 0:09:36.520 in their feelings. They have to understand this the NBA 0:09:36.559 --> 0:09:38.640 Twitter like when we see things, we're gonna respond and 0:09:38.679 --> 0:09:41.520 react to him. It was not critical of them overreacting, 0:09:41.559 --> 0:09:43.440 said everybody, Now they won the game, do whatever you want, 0:09:43.480 --> 0:09:45.199 you know what I'm saying. But you're taking off the 0:09:45.280 --> 0:09:48.320 jersey throwing into the crowd. And it's like if you 0:09:48.360 --> 0:09:50.280 see the same thing in baseball when they go to 0:09:50.320 --> 0:09:51.880 the wild card or whatever it may be. But it's like, 0:09:51.920 --> 0:09:53.880 all right, locked back in because now you've got a 0:09:53.880 --> 0:09:56.480 seven game series with the Memphis Grizzlies who talked just 0:09:56.520 --> 0:09:58.360 as much trash as you do and would love to 0:09:58.400 --> 0:10:00.680 embarrass y'all, and you know you want to have those 0:10:00.679 --> 0:10:02.800 emotions shift from It's kind of like the same thing 0:10:02.840 --> 0:10:05.599 when when Ben Simmons got traded and Joe willen b 0:10:05.800 --> 0:10:07.719 put up the legendary mime of the dude at his 0:10:07.760 --> 0:10:10.320 Hayter's funeral. Like that's a great thing in that moment, 0:10:10.720 --> 0:10:12.720 but you don't want that now to come bite you 0:10:12.760 --> 0:10:14.559 in the ass down the road, because that's the thing 0:10:14.880 --> 0:10:17.800 Internet does not forget. So when it's the jumping on 0:10:17.840 --> 0:10:20.000 the tables, throwing the jersey's whatever. Now you take that, 0:10:20.240 --> 0:10:22.280 l You gotta be prepared for that slander. But now 0:10:22.360 --> 0:10:24.160 I respect that. I know Pat bad was done done 0:10:24.160 --> 0:10:26.240 wrong by the Clippers in his mind, so for him 0:10:26.240 --> 0:10:28.960 to get redemption on that squad, of course, who wouldn't 0:10:28.960 --> 0:10:30.960 who wouldn't celebrating cheer And I know the Timber has 0:10:30.960 --> 0:10:32.640 only made the playoffs like what twice in the last 0:10:32.640 --> 0:10:35.360 seventeen years or whatever it is, So yeah, you know 0:10:35.440 --> 0:10:38.960 that feeling like they're gonna be exciting. Yeah, got out 0:10:39.000 --> 0:10:43.000 to Pat Bag and the Wolves. Who I mean, you 0:10:43.040 --> 0:10:44.839 gotta give it to Joker. I think you know we're 0:10:44.840 --> 0:10:46.520 paying her to the Milwaukee Bucks just for the way 0:10:46.559 --> 0:10:48.640 they treat Dad, the way they treat our family. You 0:10:49.640 --> 0:10:51.400 give it to Joker the m v P. But I'd 0:10:51.480 --> 0:10:53.280 rather have Hness on my team. I'm just being real. 0:10:53.400 --> 0:10:55.160 I think what we saw with Coach Button, what they've 0:10:55.160 --> 0:10:57.080 done with Yanness this year, playing with thirty two minutes 0:10:57.120 --> 0:11:00.200 a game or whatever it is, you know, and you 0:11:00.200 --> 0:11:02.240 look for thirty six and I think Joker's numbers are 0:11:02.240 --> 0:11:04.840 still slightly a tab bit better, But you know, playing 0:11:04.880 --> 0:11:08.160 for different things out of the Bucks of the three seed. Uh, Jannice. 0:11:08.160 --> 0:11:10.800 I think it's established himself currently as the most dominant 0:11:10.800 --> 0:11:12.319 player in the league. You could say it's k D. 0:11:13.040 --> 0:11:15.480 But after Katie lost that series last year to him, 0:11:15.480 --> 0:11:16.719 and I remember we were all that, you know, after 0:11:16.800 --> 0:11:19.400 Khaleli's graduation, we all at Dad's house watching the game, 0:11:19.720 --> 0:11:21.840 and it was a foregone conclusion if Katie got the ball, 0:11:21.840 --> 0:11:23.800 member Dad saying they should just found him, get them 0:11:23.800 --> 0:11:25.920 two free throws. You know, like you don't even want 0:11:25.920 --> 0:11:27.480 one of the shoot because if he shoots, is gonna 0:11:27.480 --> 0:11:29.160 make it. And this is coming from you know, Emmy 0:11:29.160 --> 0:11:32.199 Award win winning Milwaukee Bucks, you know, a color commentator. 0:11:32.559 --> 0:11:34.920 So you know, you know that he's being real about it, 0:11:35.000 --> 0:11:37.160 and we're all just in agreement, and he shoots the shot. 0:11:37.240 --> 0:11:39.200 I think we had a big gas foot and you know, 0:11:39.240 --> 0:11:40.680 now we get to turn up at game three. I know, 0:11:40.760 --> 0:11:43.480 y'all was at Game six. You're really getting it flares 0:11:43.520 --> 0:11:46.000 out everything like at three and four whatever, y'all. Yeah, y'all, 0:11:46.040 --> 0:11:51.840 y'all stayed for the now about that. We didn't had 0:11:51.880 --> 0:11:54.160 to work. Yeah, it was all good. But but just 0:11:54.160 --> 0:11:56.520 just just the way that yann has changed the game 0:11:56.520 --> 0:11:58.000 and how good he's gotten. You know, he has a 0:11:58.040 --> 0:11:59.959 basketball player. You only started playing when he was four team. 0:12:00.320 --> 0:12:01.960 This stuff, I have to remind people of constant he's 0:12:02.000 --> 0:12:07.000 still getting better, getting ship in this game. Imagine how quickly, 0:12:07.320 --> 0:12:08.840 how much work you have to put in to get 0:12:08.880 --> 0:12:11.280 that good that quick how many hours in the gym, 0:12:11.360 --> 0:12:13.240 how much dedication. I think that's the thing about y 0:12:13.280 --> 0:12:15.560 honest that I respect the most about this game because 0:12:15.600 --> 0:12:17.160 you see you when you saw it when he was 0:12:17.240 --> 0:12:19.960 draft I remember when they were talking about drafting him 0:12:19.960 --> 0:12:21.920 and his name was floating around. I did some digging 0:12:21.960 --> 0:12:24.880 on YouTube and I found like this grainy video of 0:12:24.960 --> 0:12:29.160 him playing on like a tartan floor of greefs a too, 0:12:29.200 --> 0:12:31.640 but he's running around at six nine. I was just 0:12:31.640 --> 0:12:33.440 looking at how quickly he can get up the floor 0:12:33.520 --> 0:12:35.840 and I'm like, this dude, dribble it in three dripples. 0:12:35.880 --> 0:12:38.320 And you could see little things like that where you 0:12:38.320 --> 0:12:41.560 gave project out a guy being, you know, one of 0:12:41.559 --> 0:12:43.520 the one of the top guys in the league. The 0:12:43.600 --> 0:12:45.440 league has been a trip this year, man, it's been 0:12:45.480 --> 0:12:48.640 a real trip. Um. You like Yoker for m v P. 0:12:49.600 --> 0:12:52.160 What about Rookie of the Year who impressed you the 0:12:52.280 --> 0:12:54.520 most this year. It's a tight race because you got 0:12:54.679 --> 0:12:56.800 k you got Evan, you got Ja. I mean who 0:12:56.840 --> 0:13:00.079 impressed you the most? I mean I love Scottie Barr. 0:13:00.240 --> 0:13:02.520 I think the just the intensity and the hustle in 0:13:02.520 --> 0:13:05.200 the heart that he played with. But Evan Mobley too obvious, 0:13:05.360 --> 0:13:07.959 l a guy Inland Empire guy. Uh you know, lad 0:13:08.040 --> 0:13:11.800 rookies and rebounds, blocks, double doubles. Had that Calve squad. 0:13:12.080 --> 0:13:14.040 And again, if you're gonna talk about these things, obviously 0:13:14.040 --> 0:13:15.720 you have to your preference to give the nuance that 0:13:15.760 --> 0:13:17.960 Calves team probably shouldn't have been in the playing game. 0:13:18.000 --> 0:13:20.080 But you know, Jared Allen gets hurt. I want to say, 0:13:20.080 --> 0:13:23.079 early March or whatever it was, mrs a significant amount 0:13:23.080 --> 0:13:24.840 of time and that defense goes from like with fifth 0:13:24.920 --> 0:13:28.120 rank to like twenty second whatever it was. You see 0:13:28.120 --> 0:13:30.640 a noticeable shift in that squad. He's their anchor and 0:13:30.640 --> 0:13:32.160 to lose that, that's a lot to put on Evan 0:13:32.200 --> 0:13:33.720 Mobile as a rookie to come in and be like, 0:13:33.720 --> 0:13:35.560 all right, now, you gotta you gotta carry that load 0:13:35.600 --> 0:13:38.360 and get us over the hump. But you know, I 0:13:38.360 --> 0:13:41.800 think Mobile probably will get it. But I think any 0:13:41.840 --> 0:13:43.880 of those guys in Kade obviously came on strong case 0:13:43.920 --> 0:13:46.480 stuff because he's playing for a trash team right now. 0:13:46.720 --> 0:13:48.240 But I think if you look at that squad and 0:13:48.600 --> 0:13:50.679 where their future looks like it's gonna go, and if 0:13:50.679 --> 0:13:52.800 he develops what he's gonna be, you know, the Pistons 0:13:52.840 --> 0:13:54.800 fans got a lot to be excited about. But I 0:13:54.880 --> 0:13:56.400 think you can't go wrong. It's hard, man, because you 0:13:56.440 --> 0:13:58.400 look at all the nuanced context. You get all the 0:13:58.440 --> 0:14:00.760 nerds and tweeves in with the numbers and whatever, but 0:14:00.840 --> 0:14:03.400 there's so much and my guess, my biggest problem is, 0:14:03.640 --> 0:14:05.760 especially with the voting, it's just who gets to vote. 0:14:06.000 --> 0:14:08.160 I think we look at media and like, I love 0:14:08.200 --> 0:14:10.160 the guys in the TNT crew, But when you're preparing 0:14:10.160 --> 0:14:11.760 for shows and doing all these other things you're doing, 0:14:12.000 --> 0:14:13.840 you're not watching every other game in the league. If 0:14:13.840 --> 0:14:16.040 you're you know, a beat reporter or whatever, Yeah, you 0:14:16.080 --> 0:14:18.160 get to see these teams once twice, three times a year. 0:14:18.320 --> 0:14:20.200 You're watching your home team, you know, for the for 0:14:20.280 --> 0:14:22.360 the whole duration. But it's hard to get a real 0:14:22.440 --> 0:14:24.800 litmus test and judge these guys because you're not seeing 0:14:24.800 --> 0:14:26.920 a full sample of what they're able to do so, 0:14:26.960 --> 0:14:29.480 I generally respect players more about Obviously, players can be 0:14:29.480 --> 0:14:31.920 biased to you know, players could be salty and haters 0:14:31.920 --> 0:14:34.680 and you get Booze involved in you know, Instagram chicks 0:14:34.680 --> 0:14:36.160 and you know all the type of things that they do. 0:14:36.240 --> 0:14:39.360 So there's always that lingering level of bitterness and whatever 0:14:39.440 --> 0:14:42.320 going on that may de turn sway their opinion. But coaches, 0:14:42.400 --> 0:14:44.640 players me, I think everything needs to kind of come 0:14:44.680 --> 0:14:47.120 together and figure out a balance. Because for me to 0:14:47.280 --> 0:14:49.080 sit there and act like they watch every game, you're 0:14:49.080 --> 0:14:52.080 not watching that. You know that that local market, whatever 0:14:52.200 --> 0:14:54.160 game during the week, you're just not you know, you 0:14:54.160 --> 0:14:56.120 can watch the national games, and obviously guys are gonna 0:14:56.120 --> 0:14:59.040 play harder in my opinion when they're on national TV 0:14:59.080 --> 0:15:01.120 and they know they've got more balls on them. But 0:15:01.560 --> 0:15:03.640 to try and formulate an opinion of who the best 0:15:03.640 --> 0:15:05.640 guy is, even my crunching stats and numbers, those things 0:15:05.640 --> 0:15:07.880 will lie to you, like defensive rating and things like that. 0:15:08.240 --> 0:15:10.120 There's five guys on the court, so if you've got 0:15:10.360 --> 0:15:12.880 you know, strong anchors on your defensive squad, everybody's gonna 0:15:12.880 --> 0:15:14.160 benefit from that, you know what I mean. It's not 0:15:14.240 --> 0:15:16.400 like it's not like, oh, I mean he's a great Yeah, 0:15:16.440 --> 0:15:18.640 then you put them on a trash defensive union. It's like, oh, 0:15:18.680 --> 0:15:20.200 he's not a great us, Like, come on man, like 0:15:20.560 --> 0:15:22.360 all that stuff. I just think there's no context in 0:15:22.440 --> 0:15:24.280 nuance with a lot of discussion the arguments that have 0:15:24.800 --> 0:15:26.920 and like Barkley said, there's kind of this contingent now 0:15:27.240 --> 0:15:29.560 that's come out and guys that never really hooped but 0:15:29.600 --> 0:15:32.160 now try to calculate and formulate and give you numbers 0:15:32.200 --> 0:15:34.960 and it's like, yeah, but I'm I'm more with trusting 0:15:35.040 --> 0:15:37.400 opinion of a K D, of a Draymond, somebody like 0:15:37.440 --> 0:15:39.800 yourself who's actually done it at a high level than 0:15:40.000 --> 0:15:41.680 you know, the guy who's good a typing or or 0:15:41.800 --> 0:15:45.760 or you know, I understand what I understand where those 0:15:45.800 --> 0:15:48.560 guys you described, like where they get off and why 0:15:48.600 --> 0:15:50.760 they have that sort of audacity to come with it, 0:15:50.800 --> 0:15:52.680 because you know, there's something to be said for data 0:15:52.880 --> 0:15:55.480 and the science argument and all that, but there's also 0:15:55.520 --> 0:15:57.480 something to be said for the eye test. And from 0:15:57.480 --> 0:16:01.160 a guy from from Hoop from fellow Hoopers coaches, I'm 0:16:01.200 --> 0:16:03.680 a big believer in that that all the awards should 0:16:03.720 --> 0:16:06.840 be you know, decided by at least a combination of 0:16:06.920 --> 0:16:08.800 coaches and media, is not just one or the other. 0:16:08.880 --> 0:16:10.560 So like, you know, because they play more value on 0:16:10.600 --> 0:16:12.760 the NBA Coach of the Year that's decided by the media, 0:16:13.080 --> 0:16:15.640 but Money Williams just won one decided by the coaches, 0:16:15.920 --> 0:16:17.720 and it's kind of like not as you know, a 0:16:17.720 --> 0:16:19.080 big deal. I just feel like he needs to be 0:16:19.120 --> 0:16:21.960 a combination of both. Let's get some opinions, some ideas 0:16:21.960 --> 0:16:24.680 and thoughts from people that are actually uh like coaches 0:16:24.720 --> 0:16:27.760 and players that are actually in the thick of everything. 0:16:28.000 --> 0:16:29.800 But speaking of the thicker things, man, I know you've 0:16:29.800 --> 0:16:31.600 been talking about this a lot, man, but I wanted 0:16:31.640 --> 0:16:34.360 to talk to you about it because you know, we're 0:16:34.480 --> 0:16:37.000 Lebron folks. We used to you know, we had the 0:16:37.160 --> 0:16:40.000 Lebron folks. Had a chance, had a chance to see 0:16:40.080 --> 0:16:42.480 him in Milwaukee. He took some nice photos with him. 0:16:42.520 --> 0:16:44.720 He was very gracious and kind and cool. I was 0:16:44.800 --> 0:16:47.120 shocked on how cool he was. But this year, man, 0:16:47.280 --> 0:16:49.680 l A fans have been tearing his ass up. They've 0:16:49.680 --> 0:16:52.720 been on his head. They're saying late GM has failed us. 0:16:53.360 --> 0:16:56.400 Now I hear some reports about Mark Jackson. Man just 0:16:56.440 --> 0:16:59.400 a couple of comments on just through the lens that 0:16:59.480 --> 0:17:02.000 you're seeing, it's like, what the hell is going on 0:17:02.080 --> 0:17:04.840 with that Lakers organization? And it is Mark Jackson going 0:17:04.920 --> 0:17:06.159 to be the guy that could kind of turn this 0:17:06.200 --> 0:17:08.720 thing around. When when you look at Lebron James, I 0:17:08.720 --> 0:17:11.119 think it's a testament to his greatness that the man 0:17:11.240 --> 0:17:14.000 is in year nineteen still getting compared to guys that 0:17:14.000 --> 0:17:16.600 are in year eleven, year twelve in their prime. Before 0:17:16.600 --> 0:17:18.400 the season even started, I remember I worked the NBA 0:17:18.440 --> 0:17:21.639 Twitter Live for the Lakers Warrior season opener, and my 0:17:21.640 --> 0:17:24.640 whole thought precess was like, look lebronx older ship, and 0:17:24.680 --> 0:17:26.760 we have to accept that we we seen some great 0:17:26.800 --> 0:17:30.240 things from his career. He's elevated and adapted over time. 0:17:30.320 --> 0:17:32.800 You know, I think we were more hopeful and optimistic 0:17:32.800 --> 0:17:34.960 that he'd be able to shift to a power forward 0:17:34.960 --> 0:17:37.520 type role, kind of like a souped up Karl Malone. 0:17:37.560 --> 0:17:38.840 You know, I don't respect the car it does off 0:17:38.880 --> 0:17:41.040 the court, but as a hooper like souped up Karl 0:17:41.080 --> 0:17:43.440 Malone and his ability not have to be ball dominant, 0:17:43.560 --> 0:17:45.960 get to conserve some of that energy, not have to 0:17:46.119 --> 0:17:48.520 you know, carry the load. So I think even seeing 0:17:48.520 --> 0:17:50.600 these thirty points per game, I was never really excited 0:17:50.640 --> 0:17:52.639 about that. It's like, yeah, it's great to see Lebron 0:17:52.640 --> 0:17:54.760 getting buckets, but at what cost? You know what I mean? 0:17:54.760 --> 0:17:56.639 It's like that. I was like, you know, at what 0:17:56.720 --> 0:17:58.480 costs are we looking at all this stuff? I think 0:17:58.520 --> 0:18:00.400 A D was supposed to be that guy now who 0:18:00.400 --> 0:18:03.040 took over Lebron, brought him into basically now carry the 0:18:03.040 --> 0:18:05.320 torch Rust. I mean, U c l a guy, you'r 0:18:05.400 --> 0:18:08.000 U c l a guy. It didn't really work out. 0:18:08.400 --> 0:18:10.240 It was hard. But you also talking about a D 0:18:10.359 --> 0:18:14.280 missing forty games and the impact that has. I think 0:18:14.280 --> 0:18:16.520 that's kind of that's the issue. Come on, a D 0:18:16.680 --> 0:18:19.840 not there, I mean, what's your thing's gonna happen? So 0:18:20.240 --> 0:18:22.320 you talk about to be bad mouth Rust and Vogel 0:18:22.320 --> 0:18:24.639 and now all this stuff is coming out. Never seemed 0:18:24.680 --> 0:18:27.239 like a good fit. You know, you had Damar. I 0:18:27.240 --> 0:18:29.920 did no chill with Gilbert Arenas and we had tomorrow 0:18:29.920 --> 0:18:31.440 on and he was telling us about how he thought 0:18:31.440 --> 0:18:32.800 he was gonna go to the Lakers. Thought it was 0:18:32.840 --> 0:18:35.200 pretty much a done deal. So you think about that, 0:18:35.200 --> 0:18:37.120 that big three a little bit more compatible with each 0:18:37.160 --> 0:18:39.359 other on paper. But a D miss forty games. So 0:18:39.480 --> 0:18:42.359 whatever we want to talk about or or fingerpoint or whatever. 0:18:42.560 --> 0:18:43.800 And that's not to blame he You never want to 0:18:43.800 --> 0:18:46.080 blame somebody for injury. But if he's playing at least 0:18:46.080 --> 0:18:49.159 twenty five of those forty games, it's a different outlook, 0:18:49.160 --> 0:18:51.199 different seed. I'm not saying there another one seed, but 0:18:51.240 --> 0:18:54.240 they're in the playoffs comfortably. It's a different feel to it. 0:18:54.240 --> 0:18:56.440 It's the same thing last year. Uh. You know when 0:18:56.440 --> 0:18:58.520 a d goes down to injury in the playoffs about 0:18:58.520 --> 0:19:00.359 to go up three one on the Sun's you know 0:19:00.359 --> 0:19:02.640 what I mean, it's it was. It was a foregone conclusion. 0:19:02.680 --> 0:19:04.000 Then he gets hurt and you can just see the 0:19:04.000 --> 0:19:06.800 season turn right there. Sons go to the championship. You 0:19:06.840 --> 0:19:08.879 tell me Lakers Bucks Championship. I think they would have 0:19:08.880 --> 0:19:11.320 had the mental edge O Rihanna's and you know, those 0:19:11.320 --> 0:19:13.760 same things aren't happening. The Lakers win that championship. But 0:19:13.800 --> 0:19:15.479 if as or butts are cookies and nuts and all 0:19:15.520 --> 0:19:17.719 that goodness, so it doesn't really matter. I think it's 0:19:17.760 --> 0:19:20.080 a bron fans. If you want to call le GM 0:19:20.119 --> 0:19:22.320 and talk about the failure and all, you're a terrible gym, 0:19:22.359 --> 0:19:25.200 then let's talk about the ten finals appearances, the four championships, 0:19:25.600 --> 0:19:28.000 uh GM ing of four time m v P, four 0:19:28.000 --> 0:19:31.440 time finals MVP and that caveat. It's funny, man, when 0:19:31.440 --> 0:19:35.160 when when things don't go Lebron's way, all Lebron's asshole, 0:19:35.480 --> 0:19:37.720 He's a team rown or whatever. We see the same 0:19:37.760 --> 0:19:39.600 type of things with Kobe, same type of things with 0:19:39.720 --> 0:19:42.440 Jordan's I think there was a lot of comparisons, uh to. 0:19:42.880 --> 0:19:44.760 You know, Lebron and Kobe, and Kobe want to do 0:19:44.800 --> 0:19:46.359 this and Combe want to did that. Lakers were at 0:19:46.400 --> 0:19:50.080 sixteen or seventeen and sixty five. You know in Kobe's 0:19:50.080 --> 0:19:52.800 final two seasons, we're there, we know what time it is, 0:19:55.520 --> 0:19:57.200 and it's a level of delusion. This is no not 0:19:57.359 --> 0:20:00.000 to Kobe. Kobe is in your nineteen twenty his body, 0:20:00.160 --> 0:20:01.800 you know what I'm saying. At that point, man is 0:20:01.840 --> 0:20:03.800 working out ten eleven hours a day. You can't do 0:20:03.840 --> 0:20:06.240 that for twenty years and not expect your body to 0:20:06.280 --> 0:20:08.320 eventually turn on you. Your body will be trade. You 0:20:08.320 --> 0:20:11.000 know that ship. I can't walk around now, and I'm 0:20:11.040 --> 0:20:13.760 not even a good hooper. Needs still hurt, and I 0:20:13.800 --> 0:20:16.840 wasn't putting it anywhere near that amount of work. But 0:20:17.000 --> 0:20:18.800 just you know, but just kind of the tearing RiPP 0:20:18.840 --> 0:20:21.840 lebron It's like, okay, so, but it's Polinka Executive of 0:20:21.840 --> 0:20:24.560 the Year when things go that way, when they orchestrate 0:20:24.560 --> 0:20:26.600 the A D trade and win the championship, and I 0:20:26.600 --> 0:20:28.760 see a lot of people like, oh, just four years, 0:20:28.760 --> 0:20:30.639 what would you grade at It's like how many championship 0:20:30.680 --> 0:20:33.000 do you think teams win? Right? Like, like what team 0:20:33.000 --> 0:20:36.200 has won four championships? The knocking of the bubble, it's like, 0:20:36.240 --> 0:20:39.200 you know the front of the bubble, and the bubble 0:20:39.280 --> 0:20:42.119 wasn't so if it was so fucking easy. Nobody can 0:20:42.160 --> 0:20:44.040 ever explain that to me. If it was so easy, 0:20:44.240 --> 0:20:46.040 why didn't your team win it? And some of your 0:20:46.040 --> 0:20:49.439 team didn't even make the ship to win it, so 0:20:49.480 --> 0:20:51.960 it was so easy. So basically, and it's sad because 0:20:51.960 --> 0:20:54.000 they say that and they're really just shipping on their team. 0:20:54.400 --> 0:20:57.280 They're saying how terrible their team, and they don't even 0:20:57.320 --> 0:21:01.400 think about it, like, oh, yeah, well whatever, it doesn't count. Like, motherfucker, 0:21:01.480 --> 0:21:04.080 you go to fucking prison at Disney World where you 0:21:04.080 --> 0:21:05.879 can't leave. You have to blow it down, like J R. 0:21:05.920 --> 0:21:07.880 Smith said, a lot of guys don't smoke dough though, 0:21:07.920 --> 0:21:11.320 like that down you know, there's a different level hoop 0:21:11.359 --> 0:21:13.520 or somewhody. Wait, so what did you so? J R. 0:21:13.680 --> 0:21:15.959 Was saying it was going too much out there. They 0:21:15.960 --> 0:21:17.679 were just smoking heavy, you know what I'm saying, Like 0:21:17.720 --> 0:21:20.560 getting it in something they can do. Some dudes can 0:21:20.600 --> 0:21:23.720 do it. Joe Subkin. Fox Sports Radio has the best 0:21:23.800 --> 0:21:26.600 sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our 0:21:26.640 --> 0:21:30.119 shows at Fox sports Radio dot com and within the 0:21:30.160 --> 0:21:33.280 I Heart Radio app search f s R to listen live. 0:21:33.720 --> 0:21:35.800 And I've talked to several media members people were out there. 0:21:35.880 --> 0:21:38.000 It was, you know, you your quarantine for two weeks, 0:21:38.000 --> 0:21:40.000 coming out there, chilling in the hotel room. You can't 0:21:40.000 --> 0:21:44.160 dip cameras everywhere, getting the jankie meal service food. Then 0:21:44.200 --> 0:21:46.679 you can finally move. But there's different levels of places 0:21:46.720 --> 0:21:48.760 you can be and you can't be. So everybody's getting 0:21:48.760 --> 0:21:51.200 turned up, drinking heavily, smoke, you know what I mean. 0:21:51.200 --> 0:21:53.080 But there's just nothing else to do to pass the time. 0:21:53.080 --> 0:21:54.280 It's not like you can go out do what you 0:21:54.280 --> 0:21:56.960 wanna do, like eventually got family in there, but it's 0:21:57.000 --> 0:22:00.000 literally like a prison, so to see that happen. But again, 0:22:00.080 --> 0:22:01.720 this is this is the testament to the bronze greenness, 0:22:01.720 --> 0:22:03.720 because no matter what he does, it will always be 0:22:03.720 --> 0:22:06.680 a conversation if you're gonna tear somebody down that much. 0:22:06.720 --> 0:22:08.800 You know, first year he got hurt, they were like 0:22:08.840 --> 0:22:10.800 fourth in the West. You know, I'm not saying they 0:22:10.800 --> 0:22:13.280 would have finished there, but that was a playoff team. Obviously, 0:22:13.480 --> 0:22:16.280 entry he missed like thirty games. Next year, win the championship. 0:22:16.800 --> 0:22:19.720 You after that make the playoffs, lose to eventual Western 0:22:19.800 --> 0:22:23.359 Conference champions after your star player goes down in a 0:22:23.480 --> 0:22:25.440 d and this year, yeah, you know, if you want 0:22:25.440 --> 0:22:27.280 to call it a failure, eleven seat, it was disappointed. 0:22:27.320 --> 0:22:28.679 You were hoping they would kind of turn it on 0:22:29.080 --> 0:22:31.760 towards the end start tricking off. They tricked off a 0:22:31.800 --> 0:22:33.560 lot of you know, like rockets, stundard like games. It 0:22:33.640 --> 0:22:38.000 was just like the thunder game. Bro. I was like, man, 0:22:38.760 --> 0:22:40.520 and you know, it sad because you're watching these games 0:22:40.560 --> 0:22:42.600 and even they're up twenty five, it's like they're probably 0:22:42.640 --> 0:22:44.120 gonna win it, you know, and you have to watch 0:22:44.119 --> 0:22:47.040 it like you're not like not getting jokes off, not 0:22:47.119 --> 0:22:52.680 getting nervous, feeling nervous, pessimistic, like I can't fire these tweets. 0:22:52.720 --> 0:22:54.159 I have to make sure the game is really in 0:22:54.200 --> 0:22:57.000 that decided like before, I can get him out, but 0:22:57.080 --> 0:22:59.200 we'll see. And it's like Lebron is not getting no younger. 0:22:59.400 --> 0:23:01.640 We'll see what those are made this offseason. In terms 0:23:01.680 --> 0:23:03.760 of coaching, there's not really a name that's super sexy. 0:23:03.840 --> 0:23:06.640 Nick Nurse cool, Quinn Snyder. I like Quinn. I think 0:23:06.640 --> 0:23:08.600 he's a player's coaching and he could stand up for 0:23:08.640 --> 0:23:11.280 a change of scenery. Mark Jackson, you know, if you 0:23:11.280 --> 0:23:13.800 want to give Steve Kerk credit, it's funnier man watching 0:23:13.800 --> 0:23:16.359 this winning time uh, you know show, and it's like, 0:23:16.359 --> 0:23:19.399 if you want to give uh Westfall and pat Riley credit, 0:23:19.440 --> 0:23:21.199 go back to Jack McKinney, you know, not for an 0:23:21.240 --> 0:23:25.879 unfortunate Jakie bike incident, you know, accident. But Mark Jackson's 0:23:25.880 --> 0:23:28.040 imprint is on that squad in terms of getting staff 0:23:28.080 --> 0:23:29.879 and getting claim getting those guys to the level they 0:23:29.880 --> 0:23:32.359 were at. Steve Kerr obviously gets all the praise and credit, 0:23:32.560 --> 0:23:34.359 and I say he's the greatest coaching or worst coaching 0:23:34.520 --> 0:23:36.760 or whatever it may be. But I just don't dock 0:23:36.840 --> 0:23:39.560 another name. There's no real name out there other than 0:23:39.600 --> 0:23:41.600 like Phil. We know Phil got the Jankie back and 0:23:41.600 --> 0:23:44.000 he's not really trying to his heart's not in it. 0:23:44.000 --> 0:23:46.280 It's just not a name that's gonna get fans excited 0:23:46.320 --> 0:23:49.399 and riled up. It's weird too, because you know, it's 0:23:49.480 --> 0:23:51.680 like fans have this idea of who they want, you know, 0:23:51.880 --> 0:23:53.280 in their mind, who they want to coach, and if 0:23:53.320 --> 0:23:55.679 it's not that name, dog, they do whatever they do, 0:23:55.760 --> 0:23:58.360 really tear down some of the names that are out there. 0:23:58.400 --> 0:24:00.160 I saw somewhere, I don't know if it's on your show, 0:24:00.160 --> 0:24:04.040 you guys talk about John Howard uh potentially coming in. Um, 0:24:04.080 --> 0:24:06.960 I like Jowan, I like A, it's gotta for me. 0:24:07.000 --> 0:24:08.960 It's got to be somebody that's played in the league 0:24:08.960 --> 0:24:11.719 and that you know, basically just understands how to deal 0:24:11.800 --> 0:24:14.000 with these guys, you know Lebrons, and you know it 0:24:14.040 --> 0:24:17.439 takes a special kind of a coach. You can't just 0:24:17.480 --> 0:24:19.720 remember David Blant was in Cleveland for like all of 0:24:19.880 --> 0:24:21.760 like I don't know, I don't know if it's a 0:24:21.840 --> 0:24:23.720 year season but less than the season, but just how 0:24:24.400 --> 0:24:27.560 that just didn't work and from day one, and you 0:24:27.680 --> 0:24:30.520 just sensed it by Lebron's body language. If they bring 0:24:30.560 --> 0:24:33.080 it in Quinn Schneider and some of these type of dudes. 0:24:33.359 --> 0:24:36.880 I'll be interested to see just just how that works. 0:24:36.880 --> 0:24:40.600 Stand on winning. I think Doc might be an option. Doc. 0:24:40.680 --> 0:24:42.159 You know we have we have Paul Pierce on the 0:24:42.160 --> 0:24:45.359 show out there in All Star Week, and Paul and 0:24:45.400 --> 0:24:47.879 Doc has some issues when Doc first got there. But 0:24:48.000 --> 0:24:49.919 Doc is a hooper. I think he can relate and 0:24:49.920 --> 0:24:53.160 connect to superstars with Lebron and ads magnitude. And again, 0:24:53.160 --> 0:24:55.439 to your point, you respect guys who did it a 0:24:55.440 --> 0:24:57.400 lot more than gud. I don't care what everybody says. 0:24:57.560 --> 0:24:59.000 And it's not a knock expo with some of the 0:24:59.000 --> 0:25:01.480 great coaches in the game. But if I'm Jimmy Butler, 0:25:01.720 --> 0:25:03.240 I might not come in Doc the same way that 0:25:03.280 --> 0:25:05.639 I'm gonna coming spoke and then, yeah, you saw that, 0:25:06.160 --> 0:25:10.000 you saw Jimmy j was going at it. But it's 0:25:10.080 --> 0:25:14.040 like again, Doctor, you know he can't control jam. I mean, 0:25:14.040 --> 0:25:16.080 he's throwing James Harden under the bus, so it's like, 0:25:16.200 --> 0:25:18.480 you know, he's not even dealing with him. Beating hardened 0:25:18.640 --> 0:25:21.719 to me in the right kind of way. The energy 0:25:21.760 --> 0:25:23.840 out in Philly is a little weird, so I mean again, 0:25:23.880 --> 0:25:25.639 it's it's just gonna be interesting to see. But man, 0:25:25.680 --> 0:25:27.680 I wanted to talk to you about Winning Time because 0:25:27.720 --> 0:25:30.119 I wanted to find out just what and just to 0:25:30.200 --> 0:25:33.360 explain to the audience on just sort of what creative 0:25:33.400 --> 0:25:37.359 license means and in this in your world, Joe, because 0:25:37.359 --> 0:25:40.000 people are really but heard about the portrayal of Jerry 0:25:40.000 --> 0:25:42.520 West and some of the other characters. But I don't 0:25:42.520 --> 0:25:45.600 think you know the grasping of what the creative license 0:25:45.640 --> 0:25:47.800 and what this show is really you know about, and 0:25:47.840 --> 0:25:50.560 what the liberty that the writers and the producers took 0:25:50.560 --> 0:25:52.520 with some of the character portrayal. Can you get into 0:25:52.560 --> 0:25:54.200 that a little bit for me? I would say, Look, 0:25:54.240 --> 0:25:56.320 I have a tremendous amount ofspect for everybody involved in 0:25:56.320 --> 0:25:58.280 the show. Ronnie Bars won the EPs on the show. 0:25:58.320 --> 0:26:00.320 He worked on Legendar Chamber of Heights with us. I 0:26:00.359 --> 0:26:03.040 love Rodney Max Barrensteins as a guy I'm a big 0:26:03.040 --> 0:26:04.840 fan of. But when you watch that show, you just 0:26:04.880 --> 0:26:07.560 gotta realize the Hooper, that show is not made for you, right, 0:26:07.560 --> 0:26:10.439 It's made for the average human being who's more of 0:26:10.480 --> 0:26:13.520 like a Bill Simmons fan, who really, you know, doesn't 0:26:13.520 --> 0:26:15.320 really know Hoop and kind of just wants to know 0:26:15.880 --> 0:26:17.919 what happened in that world and to your point, you're 0:26:17.960 --> 0:26:20.000 gonna take a lot of creative license. Like, you know, 0:26:20.160 --> 0:26:22.840 it's funny you talked to to our father Marcus Johnson, 0:26:22.920 --> 0:26:24.960 who's a you know, a Hall of Fame finalist, knows 0:26:25.000 --> 0:26:26.920 all these guys. You know, obviously you spend a tremendous 0:26:26.920 --> 0:26:29.240 amount of time with Norm Nixon and and some of 0:26:29.280 --> 0:26:31.760 the crew, so to see, and I can just see 0:26:31.840 --> 0:26:34.560 as a producer and putting my writer cap on, it's like, oh, 0:26:34.560 --> 0:26:36.919 I gotta try to exploit some of that drama and 0:26:36.960 --> 0:26:39.199 create some of that tension. But for me, it's like 0:26:39.200 --> 0:26:40.800 it's it's tough at times when it's like, oh, you 0:26:40.840 --> 0:26:42.720 want to show this tension with with Magic and Norman. 0:26:42.760 --> 0:26:44.240 I know where they're going with it because that was 0:26:44.280 --> 0:26:47.000 one of the most dominant backcourts in NBA history, both 0:26:47.040 --> 0:26:52.560 averaging like eight nine assists, like elevated Norm's game too 0:26:52.560 --> 0:26:55.520 another level, elevated Magic game to who another level for 0:26:55.560 --> 0:26:57.639 a couple of years that they played together. But stuff 0:26:57.640 --> 0:26:59.800 for me, like I'm a big history buff and it's 0:27:00.119 --> 0:27:01.440 when I see things like you know, they had the 0:27:01.480 --> 0:27:04.080 episode where they're playing against the Clippers and uh, you know, 0:27:04.160 --> 0:27:06.960 Magic doesn't doesn't follow the playing in bounded to Kareem 0:27:07.000 --> 0:27:08.760 for the game when he's sky hook But it's like 0:27:08.800 --> 0:27:10.320 Magic didn't take the ball on that game, you know 0:27:10.320 --> 0:27:11.919 what I mean. Like, so when you go back and 0:27:11.960 --> 0:27:13.439 watch and it's the things that we have in the 0:27:13.480 --> 0:27:15.840 YouTube world, so that there's some decision that I made. 0:27:15.840 --> 0:27:17.680 I understand you want to show some of the contention 0:27:17.720 --> 0:27:20.119 and dissension whatever how Magic is now coming into the 0:27:20.160 --> 0:27:22.600 star role. But I think you can accomplish that just 0:27:22.640 --> 0:27:25.280 as easily of showing Magic overreacting to this first game 0:27:25.320 --> 0:27:27.479 of the season and Kareem having to kind of keep 0:27:27.520 --> 0:27:31.080 him in check. Yeah. Shout out to to to Quincy, 0:27:31.119 --> 0:27:35.560 Isaia and Solomon Hughes, Big Solomon the Legends killing. I mean, honestly, 0:27:35.840 --> 0:27:38.479 I feel like he's gonna deserve some some award, you know, 0:27:38.640 --> 0:27:44.720 consideration first portrayal of Kareem is is phenomenal. That that 0:27:44.800 --> 0:27:46.679 see where he was doing the yoga on the cliff 0:27:46.720 --> 0:27:48.400 and Jerry came to see him. He didn't say nothing 0:27:48.440 --> 0:27:50.520 to him, but it was just a cold like just 0:27:50.720 --> 0:27:52.680 he I knew it. I went to school with his sister. 0:27:52.760 --> 0:27:55.640 His sister passed away. Kisa huge he played well, yeah 0:27:55.640 --> 0:27:58.080 so she but she was big time basketball U l 0:27:58.160 --> 0:28:00.520 A and ended a past in the way at to 0:28:00.640 --> 0:28:02.800 some rare disease. Man, we went to the funeral, but 0:28:02.920 --> 0:28:05.960 this is years ago. But uh, Solomon, you know, it's 0:28:06.000 --> 0:28:07.840 always you know, I'm really happy for him and that 0:28:08.440 --> 0:28:11.600 great dude man Saloman's brothers one of the best dudes 0:28:11.640 --> 0:28:14.240 that So I was at the Premier All Star weekend 0:28:14.359 --> 0:28:16.520 just nothing but love and that's my thing. And I understand, 0:28:16.560 --> 0:28:18.640 you know, being on working on the show of Colin Kaepernick, 0:28:18.800 --> 0:28:20.959 there were decisions that we had to make some some 0:28:21.000 --> 0:28:22.879 stuff that we had to change to help story, but 0:28:22.920 --> 0:28:25.679 we tried to be consistent if we did something, you know, 0:28:25.760 --> 0:28:27.439 like he threw no hitters, but I believe it was 0:28:27.440 --> 0:28:29.560 a senior year, but the way we framed the story, 0:28:29.600 --> 0:28:31.359 we showed it as a junior year, but just to 0:28:31.440 --> 0:28:34.080 show how good at baseball he was, to show how 0:28:34.240 --> 0:28:36.240 how much attention to love, you know. I wrote that 0:28:36.280 --> 0:28:39.800 episode and it was like y'all was getting scholarship from 0:28:39.800 --> 0:28:41.760 every everywhere around the country to really heightened and build 0:28:41.800 --> 0:28:44.000 that up. So I understand that the choices they're making 0:28:44.000 --> 0:28:46.080 too was showing these things that Jerry Westing, as you know, 0:28:46.120 --> 0:28:48.600 as a Hooper. Things will gett overblown sometimes, like that 0:28:48.640 --> 0:28:51.560 Shaq Kobe situation. That's not a big deal, you know. 0:28:51.600 --> 0:28:53.840 I mean, you're cussing out dudes, fighting dudes. You know, 0:28:53.880 --> 0:28:55.440 you play with Ed O'Bannon, who was one of the 0:28:55.480 --> 0:28:58.640 most you know, crying and lockingroom, you know, but just 0:28:58.760 --> 0:29:00.680 it's not going hard with ever. Stuff that a lot 0:29:00.720 --> 0:29:02.840 of people didn't see behind the scenes, But now you 0:29:02.880 --> 0:29:05.040 see how you elevate to a championship level. That's just 0:29:05.040 --> 0:29:06.960 a part of being a champion. You're gonna have people. 0:29:07.160 --> 0:29:09.280 It's working in the film industry as well. People you 0:29:09.320 --> 0:29:11.360 don't see. I I would get along with You're gonna 0:29:11.360 --> 0:29:13.600 bud heads would cut each other out. But I think 0:29:13.760 --> 0:29:15.800 from a square perspective seeing that, they're always like, oh 0:29:15.800 --> 0:29:17.800 my god, that's really just put from us. It's like ship, 0:29:18.360 --> 0:29:21.480 we were cool, like we had dude fight, dude fight, 0:29:21.520 --> 0:29:23.800 ready to kill each other, you know, on a Tuesday Wednesday. 0:29:23.800 --> 0:29:25.160 It's all good because you gave me the rock and 0:29:25.160 --> 0:29:26.560 I dropp plenty. Like it's not you know, I mean, 0:29:26.600 --> 0:29:29.600 it's not it's not nothing that we hold onto with 0:29:29.640 --> 0:29:31.720 this bitter grudge. So for them to portray Jerry is 0:29:31.760 --> 0:29:34.400 this like consummate loser. Like he's going against some of 0:29:34.400 --> 0:29:37.600 the most dominant teams in history. Yeah, that's gonna linger 0:29:37.600 --> 0:29:39.440 on them. But if everybody who knows Jerry can he 0:29:39.520 --> 0:29:41.880 beats early or whatever. Yeah, if you don't know the dude. 0:29:41.960 --> 0:29:44.760 Same with Kareem. I always tell people like I see Kareem, 0:29:44.840 --> 0:29:47.720 like shoot people away or whatever. He don't shoot us away. 0:29:47.760 --> 0:29:54.960 When I see Kareem is love that hugs photo, love 0:29:55.040 --> 0:29:58.640 your show, like you know, like we don't have the 0:29:58.680 --> 0:30:01.200 same experience, so I understand, but some people could be 0:30:01.320 --> 0:30:03.640 that was always a knock, always an asshole. He's difficult, 0:30:03.920 --> 0:30:05.760 and it's like, you know, we interviewed John Wooden back 0:30:05.760 --> 0:30:07.520 to day and they're walking around talking about looking at 0:30:07.520 --> 0:30:09.240 that big black in word and he's a freak show 0:30:09.280 --> 0:30:11.040 and everywhere he goes he's getting It's like, yeah, I 0:30:11.040 --> 0:30:13.120 wouldn't really be rocking with y'all either. I'd always kind 0:30:13.160 --> 0:30:15.480 of have my guard up as well, not knowing how's 0:30:15.520 --> 0:30:17.480 the weather up there, jokes like you know, I'm not 0:30:17.600 --> 0:30:22.560 funny anymore. That's not funny. Seventeen times the same weather 0:30:22.640 --> 0:30:24.480 we're literally like eight inches apart. It's the same weather. 0:30:24.560 --> 0:30:31.120 Cheap the same weather. Oh, man, Joe, what's up for 0:30:31.160 --> 0:30:32.960 you for the rest of this year? Man? What's what's 0:30:32.960 --> 0:30:35.320 coming down the pipeline for you? Bro? I know you've 0:30:35.360 --> 0:30:37.800 got stuff on the table, man, can't you. I mean, wait, 0:30:37.880 --> 0:30:41.160 didn y'all get nominated for a Peabody for the nominated 0:30:41.200 --> 0:30:43.360 for a Peabody Me and Gil Me and Gil want 0:30:43.640 --> 0:30:46.200 It's funny man, Gilt like we had airy spears on. 0:30:46.280 --> 0:30:47.840 But before the show, Gil, like, you know you want 0:30:47.840 --> 0:30:49.800 about your awards, right, I'm like I did not just 0:30:49.800 --> 0:30:51.800 like started rattling off all these awards. We either one 0:30:51.920 --> 0:30:54.120 or we're like finals for It was like, damn, but 0:30:54.160 --> 0:30:55.760 I'm just here, like, you know, just just happy to 0:30:55.840 --> 0:30:58.720 be working with you. But yeah, Colin in black and White, 0:30:58.960 --> 0:31:01.560 we want to ule as the Image Award, uh for 0:31:01.640 --> 0:31:04.640 Best Limited Series, got nominated for a Peabody Award. I 0:31:04.760 --> 0:31:07.080 did another show with Abra du Rene called Chairs Today. 0:31:07.200 --> 0:31:09.560 Super excited about that should be dropping soon. A lot 0:31:09.600 --> 0:31:13.000 different than anything I'm used to, Yeah, for sure, on 0:31:13.120 --> 0:31:16.160 um Uh developing a lot of projects. Man, Honestly, it's 0:31:16.160 --> 0:31:18.640 it's great. I'm starting to meet It's funny. Uh. You know, 0:31:18.680 --> 0:31:21.120 I tell people, I'll tell you candidly like like where 0:31:21.160 --> 0:31:22.600 I was at a year ago and kind of the 0:31:22.600 --> 0:31:25.400 funny styling and who are you and like we need 0:31:25.440 --> 0:31:28.520 more information about you and blah blah blah, and now 0:31:28.600 --> 0:31:30.840 like oh Josiah, like yeah, we would have do all 0:31:30.840 --> 0:31:33.680 this ship with you and it's funny to see, but 0:31:33.720 --> 0:31:35.440 that's kind of Hollywood with a nutshell. So I've always 0:31:35.480 --> 0:31:38.320 stayed humble, stayed super appreciative and thankful. And for me, 0:31:38.360 --> 0:31:39.720 I'm still like a kid in the candy store. Like 0:31:39.760 --> 0:31:42.400 I said, I get to walk into you know, Turner 0:31:42.520 --> 0:31:46.320 Studios in Atlanta and C Shack C Canny C dudes 0:31:46.360 --> 0:31:48.040 as they're literally about to go on the air, you know, 0:31:48.160 --> 0:31:50.960 have same makeup artists as them, kind of going again, 0:31:51.040 --> 0:31:52.240 you know, you know that feel where you get to 0:31:52.240 --> 0:31:55.400 make like how sweet you feel. And but my thing 0:31:55.480 --> 0:31:57.000 is like you know, even with the crew and everybody 0:31:57.000 --> 0:31:58.440 I work with, it is always just being humble and 0:31:58.520 --> 0:32:00.640 understand that I've been on your guys side. I've worked 0:32:00.680 --> 0:32:03.000 with great talent. I'm working not so great talent, and 0:32:03.040 --> 0:32:04.400 I know that I never want to be on that 0:32:04.400 --> 0:32:06.320 not so great list. With everybody I'm working with, just 0:32:06.360 --> 0:32:08.720 being super respectful of their time and just showing I'm 0:32:08.720 --> 0:32:10.840 a real human being just like everybody else. And I'm 0:32:10.840 --> 0:32:14.080 super thankful. I just some ship with the NFL last 0:32:14.080 --> 0:32:16.440 week broadcast boot Camp, we got to hang out with 0:32:16.480 --> 0:32:18.760 like Richard Sherman and dudes, and I'm fan the McCarthy 0:32:18.800 --> 0:32:21.720 twins and you know, Gerald McCoy and all types of 0:32:21.720 --> 0:32:24.360 just legend Kyle van Noy dudes. I'm like fanboying about, 0:32:24.360 --> 0:32:26.480 you know, and my people are like, you know that 0:32:26.600 --> 0:32:28.720 they're they when you're they came up, they were the happiest, 0:32:28.800 --> 0:32:30.880 They're most excited about that ship. And I'm just like, yo, 0:32:31.120 --> 0:32:33.080 I'm telling these guys like, look, yeah, I get a 0:32:33.120 --> 0:32:35.239 lot of these hosting opportunities, but it's because I've been 0:32:35.240 --> 0:32:37.560 able to leverage my brand and leverage my social to 0:32:37.640 --> 0:32:40.520 open those things up. I'm not getting those opportunities if 0:32:40.560 --> 0:32:42.520 I don't have that, Like you know, people mess with me, 0:32:42.520 --> 0:32:44.680 and I understand it. I'm not delusional about it. I'm 0:32:44.680 --> 0:32:47.320 a solid host. I'm getting a lot better. Like Guilt Show, 0:32:47.800 --> 0:32:49.560 first couple of episodes are kind of rough, kind of 0:32:49.600 --> 0:32:52.400 just shifted into that spot, learning Gil's tendencies. You know, 0:32:52.400 --> 0:32:53.920 it's kind of having to be like a point guard, 0:32:53.960 --> 0:32:56.920 traffic cop, be able to really you know, control kind 0:32:56.920 --> 0:32:59.120 of the show, but getting a lot more comfortable in 0:32:59.160 --> 0:33:01.440 those spaces and and really enjoying the men and thriving, 0:33:01.480 --> 0:33:03.240 and like, you know, I saw what Dad did, saw 0:33:03.320 --> 0:33:05.800 what you did. Was always super envious. I remember us 0:33:05.840 --> 0:33:08.040 working like see how you have championship game back in 0:33:08.080 --> 0:33:13.920 the day with modern day Artisa with James Harden were twins. Yeah, 0:33:13.920 --> 0:33:16.560 we're twins, you know, which is another funny a story. 0:33:16.600 --> 0:33:18.640 That's why I always rocked with Harden because I remember 0:33:18.680 --> 0:33:20.520 I told y'all, they made me go shoot, go shoot, 0:33:20.560 --> 0:33:23.239 be rolling in both locker rooms, going Mater Day's locker room. 0:33:23.280 --> 0:33:25.120 It's somber. It's like a funeral in there, like the 0:33:25.120 --> 0:33:28.880 weird twin. Everybody super quiet. Gary mcneida going our TEASER's 0:33:28.920 --> 0:33:30.880 locker room hard and got the whole room pumped up, 0:33:30.880 --> 0:33:33.000 freestyling getting in. I just watched out, like, yo, our 0:33:33.000 --> 0:33:36.360 team is about to kick they ask tonight like Harden Wade. 0:33:36.360 --> 0:33:38.480 Harden had this locker room just ready to go. And 0:33:38.480 --> 0:33:40.040 that's why I even see something knocks on him now 0:33:40.080 --> 0:33:42.440 like he's a bad teammate or whatever. Like every dude 0:33:42.440 --> 0:33:45.240 in the locker room, Ernardo Sydney, all these dudes rocking 0:33:45.240 --> 0:33:47.720 with James turned up ready to go out there to work. Man. 0:33:47.800 --> 0:33:49.720 But it was always envy. So the stuff you guys 0:33:49.720 --> 0:33:51.920 were doing, did a ton of production work behind the scene. 0:33:51.920 --> 0:33:53.880 Ship always wanted more so now to be able to 0:33:53.880 --> 0:33:55.360 go out there and actually do it at a high 0:33:55.440 --> 0:33:58.040 level of phenomena. Man, I'm super thankful and blessed for 0:33:58.120 --> 0:34:01.080 everything I'm doing. We're doing the great job, man, and 0:34:01.200 --> 0:34:03.320 keep crushing it, bro. This year is gonna be the 0:34:03.320 --> 0:34:05.600 best year. Man. I appreciate you for coming through, ladies 0:34:05.640 --> 0:34:09.200 and gentlemen, Josiah Johnson, and that's it. I thought we 0:34:09.239 --> 0:34:12.480 had some more and more of this, but I appreciate 0:34:12.520 --> 0:34:16.240 you. You You got the quick boy. I appreciate you, no doubt.