1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 1: This is kJ Live with Chris Johnson. Allen and Chris 2 00:00:10,440 --> 00:00:13,680 Speaker 1: is having conversations with influencers in the sports world and 3 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 1: entertainment industry. Now here's Chris Johnson. You are now tuned 4 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:25,600 Speaker 1: in to kJ Live. Today's guest on the show. It's 5 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 1: one of my all time favorites. He is a world 6 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 1: renowned Twitter legend. He's also a producer. He writes films. 7 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 1: He's worked at the NFL Network. He created a show 8 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 1: that was on Comedy Central. This dude is talented. He's 9 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 1: also my younger brother. Let's welcome in Joe Siah Johnson, 10 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:48,919 Speaker 1: the King. Josiah Johnson's in the building. What's up? Joe's 11 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 1: going down with it? Man? Thank you for making time 12 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 1: for your brother. Dog. I I look I can when 13 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 1: I try to see John. I gotta turn on Ted 14 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 1: teena ship. I gotta find a job. What's up, man? 15 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 1: What's going on with you? Dog? On a major bag 16 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:05,399 Speaker 1: finesse request. Uh. I just got back from Atlanta. I 17 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:07,960 Speaker 1: was out there doing some stuff with NBA, Twitter Live 18 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 1: and with some Bleacher Report. But yeah, man, it's happy 19 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:11,320 Speaker 1: to be happy to be getting bags. Happy to be 20 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 1: out here getting it. Uh, loving life and appreciate you 21 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 1: having me on now. How is life kind of changed 22 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:21,679 Speaker 1: in the last four to five years for you? Uh, 23 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 1: you know, you've been going at this for a while. 24 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, the kind of critical mass 25 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:28,319 Speaker 1: hit maybe in the last two years or so, if 26 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:31,319 Speaker 1: you agree with that, where people just last year probably 27 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:33,760 Speaker 1: really last last year, you became a national phenomena in 28 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 1: New York Times. How has life changed for you, Joe? 29 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:38,319 Speaker 1: I mean, you know how this this game goes. Obviously 30 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 1: growing up in l A and just kind of dealing 31 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:42,679 Speaker 1: with the peaks and valleys of hoop of career whatever. 32 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:45,320 Speaker 1: So going from having a show on Comedy Central, show, 33 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 1: getting canceled, people not really working with me, you know, 34 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:51,559 Speaker 1: no job, opportunity, phone not ringing to, you know, getting 35 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 1: back on it, grinding, figuring it all out, you know, 36 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 1: working with you know, Michael Starburry and able to renee 37 00:01:57,520 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: Colin Kaepernick, doing that show, which was kind of the 38 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 1: first kind of jump start. I was doing some other 39 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 1: stuff too with this company Attention. Uh did a show 40 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 1: Martell has been at called mostly football for accomplishing y'all 41 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 1: who sports. But it was a lot a lot of 42 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:10,640 Speaker 1: behind the scenes stuff there. But I think that show, really, 43 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 1: the mostly Football Show really helped elevate me kind of 44 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 1: level Matt. Now, we were doing a bunch of sketches 45 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 1: stuff like that. So I was writing a bunch of stuff, 46 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 1: acting a bunch of stuff, and a lot of that 47 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 1: stuff is still I wrote a lot of it with 48 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:23,119 Speaker 1: being Evergreen, like you know, had like a Rooney Rule 49 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 1: sketch that I can run every January obviously when we 50 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 1: know no black coaches are getting hired. That's not changing 51 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:30,799 Speaker 1: anytime soon. Some things like that. But I really got 52 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 1: to show my creative voice. And now, you know, in 53 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 1: the last year, really, you know, since that lebron Co 54 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:37,960 Speaker 1: signed back in last June, kind of really launched it. 55 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:39,920 Speaker 1: But even before that, I was doing a bunch of stuff, 56 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:42,080 Speaker 1: working with a bunch of companies. But now it's, you know, 57 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:45,080 Speaker 1: like you said New York Times article, athletic, a bunch 58 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 1: of people rocking with me. Obviously got to be on 59 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 1: the NBA on TNT Tuesday with Shaq left Co Candice 60 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 1: in d Wade uh last like, what's that like? Man, 61 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:55,679 Speaker 1: what's that like? On the set of T and T 62 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 1: bro what's that like? So I did I did a 63 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 1: couple of NBA Twitter lodges with him last year during 64 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 1: the pandemic. But we were shooting robously, super cautious that 65 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 1: we were shooting the studio and you know, you're just 66 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 1: walking right away and it's like Charles and Kenny and 67 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 1: I'm you know, I was there this past week walking, 68 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 1: you know, for a Hooper basketball players just like you know, 69 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 1: you try to play it cool or whatever, but walk 70 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 1: in and Grant Hills there and Grants talking about you 71 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 1: guys in the team and locking down Jordan's dome and 72 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 1: I'm telling them how you wanted to go to Duke 73 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 1: and how salty you were the coach. K did come 74 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 1: with the scholarship, and he's like, damn for real, like hey, 75 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 1: did you know Kay did look you know, like he 76 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 1: saw to you now. But how we used to watch 77 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 1: him in Italy, you know, just stuff like that. But 78 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 1: Charles Barkley, Kenny Smith literally in the room with Kenny 79 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 1: and Kenny, you know, talking about the workouts back in 80 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 1: the days whatever. He's steaming a suit and I'm like, 81 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 1: damn it, she was about to come on. He literally 82 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 1: six seconds later on the air, like you know, doing 83 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 1: this stuff. But it's so chill laid back and just 84 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 1: to be able to work with that crew. Just a 85 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 1: lot of phenomenal human beings. Ernie I've got to talk 86 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 1: to a little bit, but just you know, super professional, 87 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 1: always locked in and doing a bunch of work with 88 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 1: Taylor Rooks and left on that whole crew. So every 89 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 1: time I go out there. Last week, all ways out there, 90 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 1: I did the actual show and I was kind of nervous. 91 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be real, but you know, Walking and Left 92 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 1: Co's got a good relationship with Sleigh He who's a 93 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 1: big time designer back East. So give Shack this this 94 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 1: Canada Goose jacket. Shaq tries on the jacket. It doesn't fit. 95 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 1: It's a little light on the arms. He looks over 96 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 1: at me, like, yo, big dog, you know you can 97 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:20,600 Speaker 1: have this. So I literally just walk in and walk 98 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 1: out with like a twelve dollar jacket. I'm just minding 99 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 1: my business kind of kind but that's just the type 100 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:26,920 Speaker 1: of stuff that goes on there. Man. Everybody's super cool. 101 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:30,239 Speaker 1: It was cool about Turners. You've got the TNT crew, 102 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:33,719 Speaker 1: NBA TV crew, You've got the social people. So everybody's 103 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 1: kind of just hanging out around there. Some NHL stuff 104 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:38,839 Speaker 1: going on MLB stuff going on. So it's like Jimmy Roylands. 105 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 1: We're talking about chicken wings and you know, I had 106 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 1: a negative experience in Magic City. I'm hoping it to prove, 107 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 1: but they gave me a little baby wings. But he 108 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:47,279 Speaker 1: was eating some delicious wings. We were talking about that 109 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:49,480 Speaker 1: Pedro Martinez. So you know, we were big fans of 110 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 1: the Jerry Crow back in the day and just the 111 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 1: maximum hold laid down. But these dudes are now just 112 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:57,720 Speaker 1: hanging out, just all kicking in this area watching a 113 00:04:57,720 --> 00:04:59,840 Speaker 1: bunch of TV screens. They're watching the baseball games. Were 114 00:04:59,839 --> 00:05:02,479 Speaker 1: why in the basketball games? But ridiculous And I just 115 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 1: tell everybody up there, man, it's just like such a 116 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 1: tight knit family. Tighten their cruiser. Every time I get 117 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:07,039 Speaker 1: to go out to Atlanta. I know you've got a 118 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:09,160 Speaker 1: lot of experience out there, and that's, you know, your 119 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:11,160 Speaker 1: second home. But every time I get to be out 120 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 1: there in Midtown, turn up at the Loves, hitting the gym, 121 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 1: steam room, just just living the life. Getting to feel 122 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 1: like a celebrity is always a good time. Being rooms. 123 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:21,360 Speaker 1: So key dog, it is so key man. That's so 124 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 1: I was like a lot of fun. Man, what are 125 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 1: your thoughts on the playing so far. I mean, you know, 126 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 1: when if Adam Silver first brought it to the table, 127 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:33,920 Speaker 1: there was mixed sort of opinions, mixed um yeah, mixed results. 128 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 1: What do you what do you think about it so far? 129 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 1: In the first couple of games, Well, I think last year, 130 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:40,159 Speaker 1: obviously we saw the Lakers in it, and Lebron and 131 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 1: A D were necessarily fans of the tournament. They would 132 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 1: have preferred obviously get that just direct line into the playoffs. 133 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 1: But we also got to see Lebron dot steps i 134 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 1: you know, for game and further it just established his 135 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:54,480 Speaker 1: his goat argument and conversation. And as a Lakers fan, 136 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 1: a watching the Warriors get smacked, it is always a 137 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 1: good feeling. This year, I think a lot better. You know, 138 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 1: Katie and Kyrie in there. They more embraced the challenge, 139 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 1: they were up for, ready to go. Obviously, I think 140 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 1: they were playing against a struggling calf team that didn't 141 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 1: have Jared Allen, who was kind of their defensive anchor 142 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:09,360 Speaker 1: and you know, the difference maker on that squad. So yes, 143 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 1: it's it's a lot. You know, you're a lot more 144 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:12,840 Speaker 1: confident going into that game when the team doesn't have 145 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 1: arguably their best player, but seeing guys like Darius Garland 146 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 1: Cook obviously that we we did that game for NBA 147 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 1: Twitter Live, came home to the hotel, watched the Timberwolves 148 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 1: Clipper game and we all, you know, we got on 149 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 1: the Timberwolves for over celebrating. But it's an amazing moment 150 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 1: and we see it in baseball. We see during the 151 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:31,599 Speaker 1: tournament guys are emotional. Pat Beth super super emotional guy. 152 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 1: And for me it was Greg cause I got to 153 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 1: run my numbers up with with a bunch of memes 154 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 1: and things like that. But just phenomenal to see how 155 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 1: much these guys love and care for and getting to 156 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 1: see Trey. I watched that game on the plane coming 157 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:43,600 Speaker 1: back to l A. But Trey going up against LaMelo 158 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:46,360 Speaker 1: and all that stuff. Obviously, Myles Bridges hitting the fan 159 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:48,719 Speaker 1: with the mouthpiece, it's gonna be a big deal made 160 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 1: out of it. You know. You know I remember that 161 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 1: Michigan game when you through the little bullock the breakaway. 162 00:06:57,080 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 1: I was ridiculous. Well, I'm just saying, if that would 163 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 1: it costs the dog? Is that a big story? Now 164 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:05,040 Speaker 1: it's a mouthpiece rubber, It don't really hurt. But I'll 165 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:07,279 Speaker 1: say this, I'll say this about sorry about that. I'll 166 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 1: say this about mouth Bridges. He owned that ship today 167 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 1: on Twitter, bro, he owned it on Instagram. He here 168 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 1: and the comments talking about yo, give me a contact 169 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 1: with this young lady. That's unacceptable on my behalf. I'm 170 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 1: rolling with that kid. I got a whole new respect 171 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 1: for that kid. But then it has been live dog 172 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 1: watching Lamello. I was hoping they give a better fight 173 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 1: for the Hawks, but you know, Trey out there just 174 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 1: solving that that that little double team real quick. And 175 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 1: then you talk about k D and Kyrie and Kyrie 176 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 1: you know, twelve or twelve coming out looking like just 177 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 1: a god out there, like one of the greatest players 178 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 1: I've ever seen play basketball. So yeah, man, I'm all, 179 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 1: I'm all about this playing every year, bring it, bring 180 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 1: it home. Man. Even last night with the Pelicans Dogs, 181 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 1: the Pelicans look live. I don't know if you I 182 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 1: don't know if you've seen Jose Alvarado, but he got 183 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 1: he got some ship that reminds you. But it reminds 184 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 1: of your ship back in the day when you had 185 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 1: the one curl. I mean it was like a long 186 00:07:58,200 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 1: floy I don't know if you've seen him with it 187 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 1: without the man He's joy is sick phenomenal. I mean, 188 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 1: I'm happy for that dude, obviously two way getting the 189 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 1: contract converted and this everything he's been able to bring 190 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 1: light to that Pelican squad that's still waiting for Zion. 191 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 1: But what's the thing. We knocked the Pelican for the 192 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 1: jankie start, and obviously they started boo boo, but you know, 193 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 1: games with brandon Ingram versus games without brandon Ingram's night 194 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 1: and day and to see the chip on the shoulder 195 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 1: that he played with obviously still some lingering bitterness was 196 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 1: getting traded away from the Lakers, which is understandable, and uh, 197 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 1: you know, Spurs, I would expect it a little bit 198 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 1: more of a spirited effort. They came back obviously late 199 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 1: in the game and made it a game, but you 200 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:34,200 Speaker 1: knew kind of that the Pelicans were going ahead and 201 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 1: do that thing. So I'm excited to see how this 202 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 1: this thing pans out. I know what, They've got the 203 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:39,719 Speaker 1: Clippers in l A on Friday. That's gonna be a 204 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:42,560 Speaker 1: exciting interesting game. And yeah, I like the format of 205 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:44,679 Speaker 1: it kind of has that that turning time feel to it, 206 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 1: and again kudos to the league for making it happen. 207 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 1: What did you make of the reaction to pet bev dude, 208 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 1: I mean, you got a lot of folks you know 209 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 1: he act likely win the championship. Look I like it, man, 210 00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 1: it was a lot of steak. I was listening to 211 00:08:57,720 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 1: Draymond on his podcast and he said and he said it. 212 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:02,319 Speaker 1: He said, Pat Biggle coming up tonight turned up. He 213 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 1: playing against this old team. That's how this thing go. 214 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:07,719 Speaker 1: And that's exactly how it went for him. But it 215 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 1: seemed like folks was kind of mad because you know, 216 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 1: he did the KG anything it's possible and jumped up 217 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 1: on the scores table. What do you think about that? Ship? 218 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 1: And mean, I loved it. I think I'm watching the 219 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 1: Hotel and I'm obviously on East Coast and it's like 220 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 1: twelve thirty whatever it is. I'm getting ready to go 221 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:22,720 Speaker 1: to sleep, and you know, the game is kind of decided. 222 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 1: But to see how ham these dudes went. I'm a 223 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:27,679 Speaker 1: big Anthony Edwards fan. Obviously, what he's been able to 224 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:29,680 Speaker 1: do Delo that hell crew obviously carled ath Any Towns 225 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 1: which he had a better performance. But I think with 226 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 1: Timberwolves fans and they're getting a little sensitive, little emotional 227 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 1: in their feelings. They have to understand this the NBA 228 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 1: Twitter like when we see things, we're gonna respond and 229 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 1: react to him. It was not critical of them overreacting, 230 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:43,440 Speaker 1: said everybody, Now they won the game, do whatever you want, 231 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:45,199 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. But you're taking off the 232 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:48,320 Speaker 1: jersey throwing into the crowd. And it's like if you 233 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 1: see the same thing in baseball when they go to 234 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 1: the wild card or whatever it may be. But it's like, 235 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 1: all right, locked back in because now you've got a 236 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 1: seven game series with the Memphis Grizzlies who talked just 237 00:09:56,520 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 1: as much trash as you do and would love to 238 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:00,680 Speaker 1: embarrass y'all, and you know you want to have those 239 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 1: emotions shift from It's kind of like the same thing 240 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:05,599 Speaker 1: when when Ben Simmons got traded and Joe willen b 241 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:07,719 Speaker 1: put up the legendary mime of the dude at his 242 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 1: Hayter's funeral. Like that's a great thing in that moment, 243 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 1: but you don't want that now to come bite you 244 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:14,559 Speaker 1: in the ass down the road, because that's the thing 245 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 1: Internet does not forget. So when it's the jumping on 246 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 1: the tables, throwing the jersey's whatever. Now you take that, 247 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 1: l You gotta be prepared for that slander. But now 248 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 1: I respect that. I know Pat bad was done done 249 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 1: wrong by the Clippers in his mind, so for him 250 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:28,960 Speaker 1: to get redemption on that squad, of course, who wouldn't 251 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:30,960 Speaker 1: who wouldn't celebrating cheer And I know the Timber has 252 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 1: only made the playoffs like what twice in the last 253 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 1: seventeen years or whatever it is, So yeah, you know 254 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:38,960 Speaker 1: that feeling like they're gonna be exciting. Yeah, got out 255 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 1: to Pat Bag and the Wolves. Who I mean, you 256 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:44,839 Speaker 1: gotta give it to Joker. I think you know we're 257 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 1: paying her to the Milwaukee Bucks just for the way 258 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 1: they treat Dad, the way they treat our family. You 259 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 1: give it to Joker the m v P. But I'd 260 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 1: rather have Hness on my team. I'm just being real. 261 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 1: I think what we saw with Coach Button, what they've 262 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:57,080 Speaker 1: done with Yanness this year, playing with thirty two minutes 263 00:10:57,120 --> 00:11:00,200 Speaker 1: a game or whatever it is, you know, and you 264 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 1: look for thirty six and I think Joker's numbers are 265 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:04,840 Speaker 1: still slightly a tab bit better, But you know, playing 266 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 1: for different things out of the Bucks of the three seed. Uh, Jannice. 267 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 1: I think it's established himself currently as the most dominant 268 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:12,319 Speaker 1: player in the league. You could say it's k D. 269 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 1: But after Katie lost that series last year to him, 270 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:16,719 Speaker 1: and I remember we were all that, you know, after 271 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 1: Khaleli's graduation, we all at Dad's house watching the game, 272 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 1: and it was a foregone conclusion if Katie got the ball, 273 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 1: member Dad saying they should just found him, get them 274 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 1: two free throws. You know, like you don't even want 275 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 1: one of the shoot because if he shoots, is gonna 276 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 1: make it. And this is coming from you know, Emmy 277 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:32,199 Speaker 1: Award win winning Milwaukee Bucks, you know, a color commentator. 278 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 1: So you know, you know that he's being real about it, 279 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 1: and we're all just in agreement, and he shoots the shot. 280 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:39,200 Speaker 1: I think we had a big gas foot and you know, 281 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:40,680 Speaker 1: now we get to turn up at game three. I know, 282 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 1: y'all was at Game six. You're really getting it flares 283 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 1: out everything like at three and four whatever, y'all. Yeah, y'all, 284 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 1: y'all stayed for the now about that. We didn't had 285 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 1: to work. Yeah, it was all good. But but just 286 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 1: just just the way that yann has changed the game 287 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 1: and how good he's gotten. You know, he has a 288 00:11:58,040 --> 00:11:59,959 Speaker 1: basketball player. You only started playing when he was four team. 289 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:01,960 Speaker 1: This stuff, I have to remind people of constant he's 290 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 1: still getting better, getting ship in this game. Imagine how quickly, 291 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:08,840 Speaker 1: how much work you have to put in to get 292 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 1: that good that quick how many hours in the gym, 293 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 1: how much dedication. I think that's the thing about y 294 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:15,560 Speaker 1: honest that I respect the most about this game because 295 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 1: you see you when you saw it when he was 296 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:19,960 Speaker 1: draft I remember when they were talking about drafting him 297 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 1: and his name was floating around. I did some digging 298 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 1: on YouTube and I found like this grainy video of 299 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 1: him playing on like a tartan floor of greefs a too, 300 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 1: but he's running around at six nine. I was just 301 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:33,440 Speaker 1: looking at how quickly he can get up the floor 302 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:35,840 Speaker 1: and I'm like, this dude, dribble it in three dripples. 303 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:38,320 Speaker 1: And you could see little things like that where you 304 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:41,560 Speaker 1: gave project out a guy being, you know, one of 305 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 1: the one of the top guys in the league. The 306 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:45,440 Speaker 1: league has been a trip this year, man, it's been 307 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 1: a real trip. Um. You like Yoker for m v P. 308 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 1: What about Rookie of the Year who impressed you the 309 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 1: most this year. It's a tight race because you got 310 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 1: k you got Evan, you got Ja. I mean who 311 00:12:56,840 --> 00:13:00,079 Speaker 1: impressed you the most? I mean I love Scottie Barr. 312 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 1: I think the just the intensity and the hustle in 313 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:05,200 Speaker 1: the heart that he played with. But Evan Mobley too obvious, 314 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:07,959 Speaker 1: l a guy Inland Empire guy. Uh you know, lad 315 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 1: rookies and rebounds, blocks, double doubles. Had that Calve squad. 316 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 1: And again, if you're gonna talk about these things, obviously 317 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:15,720 Speaker 1: you have to your preference to give the nuance that 318 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:17,960 Speaker 1: Calves team probably shouldn't have been in the playing game. 319 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:20,080 Speaker 1: But you know, Jared Allen gets hurt. I want to say, 320 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:23,079 Speaker 1: early March or whatever it was, mrs a significant amount 321 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:24,840 Speaker 1: of time and that defense goes from like with fifth 322 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 1: rank to like twenty second whatever it was. You see 323 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 1: a noticeable shift in that squad. He's their anchor and 324 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 1: to lose that, that's a lot to put on Evan 325 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:33,720 Speaker 1: Mobile as a rookie to come in and be like, 326 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:35,560 Speaker 1: all right, now, you gotta you gotta carry that load 327 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 1: and get us over the hump. But you know, I 328 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 1: think Mobile probably will get it. But I think any 329 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:43,880 Speaker 1: of those guys in Kade obviously came on strong case 330 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 1: stuff because he's playing for a trash team right now. 331 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 1: But I think if you look at that squad and 332 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:50,679 Speaker 1: where their future looks like it's gonna go, and if 333 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 1: he develops what he's gonna be, you know, the Pistons 334 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 1: fans got a lot to be excited about. But I 335 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 1: think you can't go wrong. It's hard, man, because you 336 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 1: look at all the nuanced context. You get all the 337 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 1: nerds and tweeves in with the numbers and whatever, but 338 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 1: there's so much and my guess, my biggest problem is, 339 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 1: especially with the voting, it's just who gets to vote. 340 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 1: I think we look at media and like, I love 341 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 1: the guys in the TNT crew, But when you're preparing 342 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 1: for shows and doing all these other things you're doing, 343 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:13,840 Speaker 1: you're not watching every other game in the league. If 344 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 1: you're you know, a beat reporter or whatever, Yeah, you 345 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 1: get to see these teams once twice, three times a year. 346 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 1: You're watching your home team, you know, for the for 347 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 1: the whole duration. But it's hard to get a real 348 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 1: litmus test and judge these guys because you're not seeing 349 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 1: a full sample of what they're able to do so, 350 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 1: I generally respect players more about Obviously, players can be 351 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 1: biased to you know, players could be salty and haters 352 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 1: and you get Booze involved in you know, Instagram chicks 353 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 1: and you know all the type of things that they do. 354 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 1: So there's always that lingering level of bitterness and whatever 355 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 1: going on that may de turn sway their opinion. But coaches, 356 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 1: players me, I think everything needs to kind of come 357 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 1: together and figure out a balance. Because for me to 358 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 1: sit there and act like they watch every game, you're 359 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 1: not watching that. You know that that local market, whatever 360 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 1: game during the week, you're just not you know, you 361 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 1: can watch the national games, and obviously guys are gonna 362 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 1: play harder in my opinion when they're on national TV 363 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 1: and they know they've got more balls on them. But 364 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 1: to try and formulate an opinion of who the best 365 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 1: guy is, even my crunching stats and numbers, those things 366 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 1: will lie to you, like defensive rating and things like that. 367 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 1: There's five guys on the court, so if you've got 368 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 1: you know, strong anchors on your defensive squad, everybody's gonna 369 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 1: benefit from that, you know what I mean. It's not 370 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 1: like it's not like, oh, I mean he's a great Yeah, 371 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 1: then you put them on a trash defensive union. It's like, oh, 372 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 1: he's not a great us, Like, come on man, like 373 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 1: all that stuff. I just think there's no context in 374 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 1: nuance with a lot of discussion the arguments that have 375 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 1: and like Barkley said, there's kind of this contingent now 376 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 1: that's come out and guys that never really hooped but 377 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 1: now try to calculate and formulate and give you numbers 378 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 1: and it's like, yeah, but I'm I'm more with trusting 379 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 1: opinion of a K D, of a Draymond, somebody like 380 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 1: yourself who's actually done it at a high level than 381 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 1: you know, the guy who's good a typing or or 382 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 1: or you know, I understand what I understand where those 383 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 1: guys you described, like where they get off and why 384 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 1: they have that sort of audacity to come with it, 385 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 1: because you know, there's something to be said for data 386 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 1: and the science argument and all that, but there's also 387 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:57,480 Speaker 1: something to be said for the eye test. And from 388 00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 1: a guy from from Hoop from fellow Hoopers coaches, I'm 389 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 1: a big believer in that that all the awards should 390 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 1: be you know, decided by at least a combination of 391 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 1: coaches and media, is not just one or the other. 392 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 1: So like, you know, because they play more value on 393 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 1: the NBA Coach of the Year that's decided by the media, 394 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 1: but Money Williams just won one decided by the coaches, 395 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 1: and it's kind of like not as you know, a 396 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 1: big deal. I just feel like he needs to be 397 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 1: a combination of both. Let's get some opinions, some ideas 398 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 1: and thoughts from people that are actually uh like coaches 399 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 1: and players that are actually in the thick of everything. 400 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 1: But speaking of the thicker things, man, I know you've 401 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 1: been talking about this a lot, man, but I wanted 402 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 1: to talk to you about it because you know, we're 403 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 1: Lebron folks. We used to you know, we had the 404 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 1: Lebron folks. Had a chance, had a chance to see 405 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 1: him in Milwaukee. He took some nice photos with him. 406 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 1: He was very gracious and kind and cool. I was 407 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 1: shocked on how cool he was. But this year, man, 408 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 1: l A fans have been tearing his ass up. They've 409 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 1: been on his head. They're saying late GM has failed us. 410 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:56,400 Speaker 1: Now I hear some reports about Mark Jackson. Man just 411 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 1: a couple of comments on just through the lens that 412 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 1: you're seeing, it's like, what the hell is going on 413 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 1: with that Lakers organization? And it is Mark Jackson going 414 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:06,159 Speaker 1: to be the guy that could kind of turn this 415 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 1: thing around. When when you look at Lebron James, I 416 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:11,119 Speaker 1: think it's a testament to his greatness that the man 417 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 1: is in year nineteen still getting compared to guys that 418 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 1: are in year eleven, year twelve in their prime. Before 419 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:18,400 Speaker 1: the season even started, I remember I worked the NBA 420 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:21,639 Speaker 1: Twitter Live for the Lakers Warrior season opener, and my 421 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:24,640 Speaker 1: whole thought precess was like, look lebronx older ship, and 422 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 1: we have to accept that we we seen some great 423 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 1: things from his career. He's elevated and adapted over time. 424 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 1: You know, I think we were more hopeful and optimistic 425 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 1: that he'd be able to shift to a power forward 426 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 1: type role, kind of like a souped up Karl Malone. 427 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 1: You know, I don't respect the car it does off 428 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 1: the court, but as a hooper like souped up Karl 429 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:43,440 Speaker 1: Malone and his ability not have to be ball dominant, 430 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:45,960 Speaker 1: get to conserve some of that energy, not have to 431 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 1: you know, carry the load. So I think even seeing 432 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 1: these thirty points per game, I was never really excited 433 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:52,639 Speaker 1: about that. It's like, yeah, it's great to see Lebron 434 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 1: getting buckets, but at what cost? You know what I mean? 435 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:56,639 Speaker 1: It's like that. I was like, you know, at what 436 00:17:56,720 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 1: costs are we looking at all this stuff? I think 437 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:00,400 Speaker 1: A D was supposed to be that guy now who 438 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 1: took over Lebron, brought him into basically now carry the 439 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 1: torch Rust. I mean, U c l a guy, you'r 440 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 1: U c l a guy. It didn't really work out. 441 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 1: It was hard. But you also talking about a D 442 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 1: missing forty games and the impact that has. I think 443 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 1: that's kind of that's the issue. Come on, a D 444 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 1: not there, I mean, what's your thing's gonna happen? So 445 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 1: you talk about to be bad mouth Rust and Vogel 446 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:24,639 Speaker 1: and now all this stuff is coming out. Never seemed 447 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:27,239 Speaker 1: like a good fit. You know, you had Damar. I 448 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:29,920 Speaker 1: did no chill with Gilbert Arenas and we had tomorrow 449 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:31,440 Speaker 1: on and he was telling us about how he thought 450 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 1: he was gonna go to the Lakers. Thought it was 451 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:35,200 Speaker 1: pretty much a done deal. So you think about that, 452 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:37,120 Speaker 1: that big three a little bit more compatible with each 453 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:39,359 Speaker 1: other on paper. But a D miss forty games. So 454 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:42,359 Speaker 1: whatever we want to talk about or or fingerpoint or whatever. 455 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 1: And that's not to blame he You never want to 456 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 1: blame somebody for injury. But if he's playing at least 457 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:49,159 Speaker 1: twenty five of those forty games, it's a different outlook, 458 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:51,199 Speaker 1: different seed. I'm not saying there another one seed, but 459 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 1: they're in the playoffs comfortably. It's a different feel to it. 460 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:56,440 Speaker 1: It's the same thing last year. Uh. You know when 461 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 1: a d goes down to injury in the playoffs about 462 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:00,359 Speaker 1: to go up three one on the Sun's you know 463 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:02,640 Speaker 1: what I mean, it's it was. It was a foregone conclusion. 464 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 1: Then he gets hurt and you can just see the 465 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:06,800 Speaker 1: season turn right there. Sons go to the championship. You 466 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:08,879 Speaker 1: tell me Lakers Bucks Championship. I think they would have 467 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 1: had the mental edge O Rihanna's and you know, those 468 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 1: same things aren't happening. The Lakers win that championship. But 469 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:15,479 Speaker 1: if as or butts are cookies and nuts and all 470 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:17,719 Speaker 1: that goodness, so it doesn't really matter. I think it's 471 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:20,080 Speaker 1: a bron fans. If you want to call le GM 472 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 1: and talk about the failure and all, you're a terrible gym, 473 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:25,200 Speaker 1: then let's talk about the ten finals appearances, the four championships, 474 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 1: uh GM ing of four time m v P, four 475 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:31,440 Speaker 1: time finals MVP and that caveat. It's funny, man, when 476 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:35,160 Speaker 1: when when things don't go Lebron's way, all Lebron's asshole, 477 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:37,720 Speaker 1: He's a team rown or whatever. We see the same 478 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 1: type of things with Kobe, same type of things with 479 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:42,440 Speaker 1: Jordan's I think there was a lot of comparisons, uh to. 480 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 1: You know, Lebron and Kobe, and Kobe want to do 481 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:46,359 Speaker 1: this and Combe want to did that. Lakers were at 482 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 1: sixteen or seventeen and sixty five. You know in Kobe's 483 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:52,800 Speaker 1: final two seasons, we're there, we know what time it is, 484 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:57,200 Speaker 1: and it's a level of delusion. This is no not 485 00:19:57,359 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 1: to Kobe. Kobe is in your nineteen twenty his body, 486 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. At that point, man is 487 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 1: working out ten eleven hours a day. You can't do 488 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 1: that for twenty years and not expect your body to 489 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 1: eventually turn on you. Your body will be trade. You 490 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 1: know that ship. I can't walk around now, and I'm 491 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 1: not even a good hooper. Needs still hurt, and I 492 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 1: wasn't putting it anywhere near that amount of work. But 493 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 1: just you know, but just kind of the tearing RiPP 494 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 1: lebron It's like, okay, so, but it's Polinka Executive of 495 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 1: the Year when things go that way, when they orchestrate 496 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 1: the A D trade and win the championship, and I 497 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 1: see a lot of people like, oh, just four years, 498 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:30,639 Speaker 1: what would you grade at It's like how many championship 499 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 1: do you think teams win? Right? Like, like what team 500 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:36,200 Speaker 1: has won four championships? The knocking of the bubble, it's like, 501 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:39,200 Speaker 1: you know the front of the bubble, and the bubble 502 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:42,119 Speaker 1: wasn't so if it was so fucking easy. Nobody can 503 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 1: ever explain that to me. If it was so easy, 504 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 1: why didn't your team win it? And some of your 505 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:49,439 Speaker 1: team didn't even make the ship to win it, so 506 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:51,960 Speaker 1: it was so easy. So basically, and it's sad because 507 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 1: they say that and they're really just shipping on their team. 508 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 1: They're saying how terrible their team, and they don't even 509 00:20:57,320 --> 00:21:01,400 Speaker 1: think about it, like, oh, yeah, well whatever, it doesn't count. Like, motherfucker, 510 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 1: you go to fucking prison at Disney World where you 511 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:05,879 Speaker 1: can't leave. You have to blow it down, like J R. 512 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:07,880 Speaker 1: Smith said, a lot of guys don't smoke dough though, 513 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 1: like that down you know, there's a different level hoop 514 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 1: or somewhody. Wait, so what did you so? J R. 515 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:15,959 Speaker 1: Was saying it was going too much out there. They 516 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:17,679 Speaker 1: were just smoking heavy, you know what I'm saying, Like 517 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 1: getting it in something they can do. Some dudes can 518 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:23,720 Speaker 1: do it. Joe Subkin. Fox Sports Radio has the best 519 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 1: sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all of our 520 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:30,119 Speaker 1: shows at Fox sports Radio dot com and within the 521 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio app search f s R to listen live. 522 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 1: And I've talked to several media members people were out there. 523 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 1: It was, you know, you your quarantine for two weeks, 524 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 1: coming out there, chilling in the hotel room. You can't 525 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:44,160 Speaker 1: dip cameras everywhere, getting the jankie meal service food. Then 526 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:46,679 Speaker 1: you can finally move. But there's different levels of places 527 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 1: you can be and you can't be. So everybody's getting 528 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:51,200 Speaker 1: turned up, drinking heavily, smoke, you know what I mean. 529 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 1: But there's just nothing else to do to pass the time. 530 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 1: It's not like you can go out do what you 531 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:56,960 Speaker 1: wanna do, like eventually got family in there, but it's 532 00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 1: literally like a prison, so to see that happen. But again, 533 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 1: this is this is the testament to the bronze greenness, 534 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 1: because no matter what he does, it will always be 535 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:06,680 Speaker 1: a conversation if you're gonna tear somebody down that much. 536 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 1: You know, first year he got hurt, they were like 537 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 1: fourth in the West. You know, I'm not saying they 538 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 1: would have finished there, but that was a playoff team. Obviously, 539 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 1: entry he missed like thirty games. Next year, win the championship. 540 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:19,720 Speaker 1: You after that make the playoffs, lose to eventual Western 541 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:23,359 Speaker 1: Conference champions after your star player goes down in a 542 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:25,440 Speaker 1: d and this year, yeah, you know, if you want 543 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 1: to call it a failure, eleven seat, it was disappointed. 544 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:28,679 Speaker 1: You were hoping they would kind of turn it on 545 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 1: towards the end start tricking off. They tricked off a 546 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 1: lot of you know, like rockets, stundard like games. It 547 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 1: was just like the thunder game. Bro. I was like, man, 548 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 1: and you know, it sad because you're watching these games 549 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:42,600 Speaker 1: and even they're up twenty five, it's like they're probably 550 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:44,120 Speaker 1: gonna win it, you know, and you have to watch 551 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 1: it like you're not like not getting jokes off, not 552 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:52,680 Speaker 1: getting nervous, feeling nervous, pessimistic, like I can't fire these tweets. 553 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:54,159 Speaker 1: I have to make sure the game is really in 554 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 1: that decided like before, I can get him out, but 555 00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:59,200 Speaker 1: we'll see. And it's like Lebron is not getting no younger. 556 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:01,640 Speaker 1: We'll see what those are made this offseason. In terms 557 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 1: of coaching, there's not really a name that's super sexy. 558 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:06,640 Speaker 1: Nick Nurse cool, Quinn Snyder. I like Quinn. I think 559 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 1: he's a player's coaching and he could stand up for 560 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 1: a change of scenery. Mark Jackson, you know, if you 561 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 1: want to give Steve Kerk credit, it's funnier man watching 562 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:16,359 Speaker 1: this winning time uh, you know show, and it's like, 563 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:19,399 Speaker 1: if you want to give uh Westfall and pat Riley credit, 564 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:21,199 Speaker 1: go back to Jack McKinney, you know, not for an 565 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:25,879 Speaker 1: unfortunate Jakie bike incident, you know, accident. But Mark Jackson's 566 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 1: imprint is on that squad in terms of getting staff 567 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:29,879 Speaker 1: and getting claim getting those guys to the level they 568 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,359 Speaker 1: were at. Steve Kerr obviously gets all the praise and credit, 569 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:34,359 Speaker 1: and I say he's the greatest coaching or worst coaching 570 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 1: or whatever it may be. But I just don't dock 571 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 1: another name. There's no real name out there other than 572 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 1: like Phil. We know Phil got the Jankie back and 573 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 1: he's not really trying to his heart's not in it. 574 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 1: It's just not a name that's gonna get fans excited 575 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:49,399 Speaker 1: and riled up. It's weird too, because you know, it's 576 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:51,680 Speaker 1: like fans have this idea of who they want, you know, 577 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 1: in their mind, who they want to coach, and if 578 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:55,679 Speaker 1: it's not that name, dog, they do whatever they do, 579 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:58,360 Speaker 1: really tear down some of the names that are out there. 580 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:00,160 Speaker 1: I saw somewhere, I don't know if it's on your show, 581 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 1: you guys talk about John Howard uh potentially coming in. Um, 582 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 1: I like Jowan, I like A, it's gotta for me. 583 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:08,960 Speaker 1: It's got to be somebody that's played in the league 584 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:11,719 Speaker 1: and that you know, basically just understands how to deal 585 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 1: with these guys, you know Lebrons, and you know it 586 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:17,439 Speaker 1: takes a special kind of a coach. You can't just 587 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 1: remember David Blant was in Cleveland for like all of 588 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 1: like I don't know, I don't know if it's a 589 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:23,720 Speaker 1: year season but less than the season, but just how 590 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 1: that just didn't work and from day one, and you 591 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 1: just sensed it by Lebron's body language. If they bring 592 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 1: it in Quinn Schneider and some of these type of dudes. 593 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:36,880 Speaker 1: I'll be interested to see just just how that works. 594 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 1: Stand on winning. I think Doc might be an option. Doc. 595 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:42,159 Speaker 1: You know we have we have Paul Pierce on the 596 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,359 Speaker 1: show out there in All Star Week, and Paul and 597 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:47,879 Speaker 1: Doc has some issues when Doc first got there. But 598 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:49,919 Speaker 1: Doc is a hooper. I think he can relate and 599 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:53,160 Speaker 1: connect to superstars with Lebron and ads magnitude. And again, 600 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,439 Speaker 1: to your point, you respect guys who did it a 601 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:57,400 Speaker 1: lot more than gud. I don't care what everybody says. 602 00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 1: And it's not a knock expo with some of the 603 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:01,480 Speaker 1: great coaches in the game. But if I'm Jimmy Butler, 604 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 1: I might not come in Doc the same way that 605 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,639 Speaker 1: I'm gonna coming spoke and then, yeah, you saw that, 606 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 1: you saw Jimmy j was going at it. But it's 607 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 1: like again, Doctor, you know he can't control jam. I mean, 608 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 1: he's throwing James Harden under the bus, so it's like, 609 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,480 Speaker 1: you know, he's not even dealing with him. Beating hardened 610 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,719 Speaker 1: to me in the right kind of way. The energy 611 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 1: out in Philly is a little weird, so I mean again, 612 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:25,639 Speaker 1: it's it's just gonna be interesting to see. But man, 613 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:27,680 Speaker 1: I wanted to talk to you about Winning Time because 614 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:30,119 Speaker 1: I wanted to find out just what and just to 615 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:33,360 Speaker 1: explain to the audience on just sort of what creative 616 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:37,359 Speaker 1: license means and in this in your world, Joe, because 617 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 1: people are really but heard about the portrayal of Jerry 618 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,520 Speaker 1: West and some of the other characters. But I don't 619 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 1: think you know the grasping of what the creative license 620 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 1: and what this show is really you know about, and 621 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 1: what the liberty that the writers and the producers took 622 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 1: with some of the character portrayal. Can you get into 623 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:54,200 Speaker 1: that a little bit for me? I would say, Look, 624 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 1: I have a tremendous amount ofspect for everybody involved in 625 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 1: the show. Ronnie Bars won the EPs on the show. 626 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 1: He worked on Legendar Chamber of Heights with us. I 627 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 1: love Rodney Max Barrensteins as a guy I'm a big 628 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:04,840 Speaker 1: fan of. But when you watch that show, you just 629 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 1: gotta realize the Hooper, that show is not made for you, right, 630 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,439 Speaker 1: It's made for the average human being who's more of 631 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 1: like a Bill Simmons fan, who really, you know, doesn't 632 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 1: really know Hoop and kind of just wants to know 633 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:17,919 Speaker 1: what happened in that world and to your point, you're 634 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,000 Speaker 1: gonna take a lot of creative license. Like, you know, 635 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,840 Speaker 1: it's funny you talked to to our father Marcus Johnson, 636 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:24,960 Speaker 1: who's a you know, a Hall of Fame finalist, knows 637 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:26,920 Speaker 1: all these guys. You know, obviously you spend a tremendous 638 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,240 Speaker 1: amount of time with Norm Nixon and and some of 639 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 1: the crew, so to see, and I can just see 640 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,560 Speaker 1: as a producer and putting my writer cap on, it's like, oh, 641 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:36,919 Speaker 1: I gotta try to exploit some of that drama and 642 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,199 Speaker 1: create some of that tension. But for me, it's like 643 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:40,800 Speaker 1: it's it's tough at times when it's like, oh, you 644 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:42,720 Speaker 1: want to show this tension with with Magic and Norman. 645 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:44,240 Speaker 1: I know where they're going with it because that was 646 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 1: one of the most dominant backcourts in NBA history, both 647 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 1: averaging like eight nine assists, like elevated Norm's game too 648 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 1: another level, elevated Magic game to who another level for 649 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:57,639 Speaker 1: a couple of years that they played together. But stuff 650 00:26:57,640 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 1: for me, like I'm a big history buff and it's 651 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:01,440 Speaker 1: when I see things like you know, they had the 652 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,080 Speaker 1: episode where they're playing against the Clippers and uh, you know, 653 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,960 Speaker 1: Magic doesn't doesn't follow the playing in bounded to Kareem 654 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 1: for the game when he's sky hook But it's like 655 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 1: Magic didn't take the ball on that game, you know 656 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:11,919 Speaker 1: what I mean. Like, so when you go back and 657 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:13,439 Speaker 1: watch and it's the things that we have in the 658 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 1: YouTube world, so that there's some decision that I made. 659 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:17,680 Speaker 1: I understand you want to show some of the contention 660 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,119 Speaker 1: and dissension whatever how Magic is now coming into the 661 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 1: star role. But I think you can accomplish that just 662 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,280 Speaker 1: as easily of showing Magic overreacting to this first game 663 00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:27,479 Speaker 1: of the season and Kareem having to kind of keep 664 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:31,080 Speaker 1: him in check. Yeah. Shout out to to to Quincy, 665 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 1: Isaia and Solomon Hughes, Big Solomon the Legends killing. I mean, honestly, 666 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,479 Speaker 1: I feel like he's gonna deserve some some award, you know, 667 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:44,720 Speaker 1: consideration first portrayal of Kareem is is phenomenal. That that 668 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:46,679 Speaker 1: see where he was doing the yoga on the cliff 669 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:48,400 Speaker 1: and Jerry came to see him. He didn't say nothing 670 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 1: to him, but it was just a cold like just 671 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:52,680 Speaker 1: he I knew it. I went to school with his sister. 672 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,640 Speaker 1: His sister passed away. Kisa huge he played well, yeah 673 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,080 Speaker 1: so she but she was big time basketball U l 674 00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 1: A and ended a past in the way at to 675 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 1: some rare disease. Man, we went to the funeral, but 676 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:05,960 Speaker 1: this is years ago. But uh, Solomon, you know, it's 677 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 1: always you know, I'm really happy for him and that 678 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:11,600 Speaker 1: great dude man Saloman's brothers one of the best dudes 679 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,240 Speaker 1: that So I was at the Premier All Star weekend 680 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 1: just nothing but love and that's my thing. And I understand, 681 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:18,640 Speaker 1: you know, being on working on the show of Colin Kaepernick, 682 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:20,959 Speaker 1: there were decisions that we had to make some some 683 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:22,879 Speaker 1: stuff that we had to change to help story, but 684 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,679 Speaker 1: we tried to be consistent if we did something, you know, 685 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:27,439 Speaker 1: like he threw no hitters, but I believe it was 686 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 1: a senior year, but the way we framed the story, 687 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:31,359 Speaker 1: we showed it as a junior year, but just to 688 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,080 Speaker 1: show how good at baseball he was, to show how 689 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,240 Speaker 1: how much attention to love, you know. I wrote that 690 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 1: episode and it was like y'all was getting scholarship from 691 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:41,760 Speaker 1: every everywhere around the country to really heightened and build 692 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 1: that up. So I understand that the choices they're making 693 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 1: too was showing these things that Jerry Westing, as you know, 694 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 1: as a Hooper. Things will gett overblown sometimes, like that 695 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 1: Shaq Kobe situation. That's not a big deal, you know. 696 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 1: I mean, you're cussing out dudes, fighting dudes. You know, 697 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 1: you play with Ed O'Bannon, who was one of the 698 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 1: most you know, crying and lockingroom, you know, but just 699 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 1: it's not going hard with ever. Stuff that a lot 700 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:02,840 Speaker 1: of people didn't see behind the scenes, But now you 701 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,040 Speaker 1: see how you elevate to a championship level. That's just 702 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:06,960 Speaker 1: a part of being a champion. You're gonna have people. 703 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 1: It's working in the film industry as well. People you 704 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 1: don't see. I I would get along with You're gonna 705 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,600 Speaker 1: bud heads would cut each other out. But I think 706 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 1: from a square perspective seeing that, they're always like, oh 707 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:17,800 Speaker 1: my god, that's really just put from us. It's like ship, 708 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:21,480 Speaker 1: we were cool, like we had dude fight, dude fight, 709 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:23,800 Speaker 1: ready to kill each other, you know, on a Tuesday Wednesday. 710 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:25,160 Speaker 1: It's all good because you gave me the rock and 711 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:26,560 Speaker 1: I dropp plenty. Like it's not you know, I mean, 712 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,600 Speaker 1: it's not it's not nothing that we hold onto with 713 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:31,720 Speaker 1: this bitter grudge. So for them to portray Jerry is 714 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 1: this like consummate loser. Like he's going against some of 715 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,600 Speaker 1: the most dominant teams in history. Yeah, that's gonna linger 716 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:39,440 Speaker 1: on them. But if everybody who knows Jerry can he 717 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:41,880 Speaker 1: beats early or whatever. Yeah, if you don't know the dude. 718 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,760 Speaker 1: Same with Kareem. I always tell people like I see Kareem, 719 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,720 Speaker 1: like shoot people away or whatever. He don't shoot us away. 720 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:54,960 Speaker 1: When I see Kareem is love that hugs photo, love 721 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 1: your show, like you know, like we don't have the 722 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 1: same experience, so I understand, but some people could be 723 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 1: that was always a knock, always an asshole. He's difficult, 724 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 1: and it's like, you know, we interviewed John Wooden back 725 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 1: to day and they're walking around talking about looking at 726 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:09,240 Speaker 1: that big black in word and he's a freak show 727 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:11,040 Speaker 1: and everywhere he goes he's getting It's like, yeah, I 728 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:13,120 Speaker 1: wouldn't really be rocking with y'all either. I'd always kind 729 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,480 Speaker 1: of have my guard up as well, not knowing how's 730 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:17,480 Speaker 1: the weather up there, jokes like you know, I'm not 731 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:22,560 Speaker 1: funny anymore. That's not funny. Seventeen times the same weather 732 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:24,480 Speaker 1: we're literally like eight inches apart. It's the same weather. 733 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:31,120 Speaker 1: Cheap the same weather. Oh, man, Joe, what's up for 734 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:32,960 Speaker 1: you for the rest of this year? Man? What's what's 735 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 1: coming down the pipeline for you? Bro? I know you've 736 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 1: got stuff on the table, man, can't you. I mean, wait, 737 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:41,160 Speaker 1: didn y'all get nominated for a Peabody for the nominated 738 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 1: for a Peabody Me and Gil Me and Gil want 739 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,200 Speaker 1: It's funny man, Gilt like we had airy spears on. 740 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:47,840 Speaker 1: But before the show, Gil, like, you know you want 741 00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:49,800 Speaker 1: about your awards, right, I'm like I did not just 742 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:51,800 Speaker 1: like started rattling off all these awards. We either one 743 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,120 Speaker 1: or we're like finals for It was like, damn, but 744 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:55,760 Speaker 1: I'm just here, like, you know, just just happy to 745 00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,720 Speaker 1: be working with you. But yeah, Colin in black and White, 746 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,560 Speaker 1: we want to ule as the Image Award, uh for 747 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,640 Speaker 1: Best Limited Series, got nominated for a Peabody Award. I 748 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,080 Speaker 1: did another show with Abra du Rene called Chairs Today. 749 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,560 Speaker 1: Super excited about that should be dropping soon. A lot 750 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:13,000 Speaker 1: different than anything I'm used to, Yeah, for sure, on 751 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:16,160 Speaker 1: um Uh developing a lot of projects. Man, Honestly, it's 752 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:18,640 Speaker 1: it's great. I'm starting to meet It's funny. Uh. You know, 753 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,120 Speaker 1: I tell people, I'll tell you candidly like like where 754 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:22,600 Speaker 1: I was at a year ago and kind of the 755 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 1: funny styling and who are you and like we need 756 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,520 Speaker 1: more information about you and blah blah blah, and now 757 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:30,840 Speaker 1: like oh Josiah, like yeah, we would have do all 758 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:33,680 Speaker 1: this ship with you and it's funny to see, but 759 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 1: that's kind of Hollywood with a nutshell. So I've always 760 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:38,320 Speaker 1: stayed humble, stayed super appreciative and thankful. And for me, 761 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:39,720 Speaker 1: I'm still like a kid in the candy store. Like 762 00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:42,400 Speaker 1: I said, I get to walk into you know, Turner 763 00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:46,320 Speaker 1: Studios in Atlanta and C Shack C Canny C dudes 764 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:48,040 Speaker 1: as they're literally about to go on the air, you know, 765 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,960 Speaker 1: have same makeup artists as them, kind of going again, 766 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:52,240 Speaker 1: you know, you know that feel where you get to 767 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:55,400 Speaker 1: make like how sweet you feel. And but my thing 768 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:57,000 Speaker 1: is like you know, even with the crew and everybody 769 00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:58,440 Speaker 1: I work with, it is always just being humble and 770 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:00,640 Speaker 1: understand that I've been on your guys side. I've worked 771 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,000 Speaker 1: with great talent. I'm working not so great talent, and 772 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:04,400 Speaker 1: I know that I never want to be on that 773 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,320 Speaker 1: not so great list. With everybody I'm working with, just 774 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:08,720 Speaker 1: being super respectful of their time and just showing I'm 775 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:10,840 Speaker 1: a real human being just like everybody else. And I'm 776 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:14,080 Speaker 1: super thankful. I just some ship with the NFL last 777 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,440 Speaker 1: week broadcast boot Camp, we got to hang out with 778 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,760 Speaker 1: like Richard Sherman and dudes, and I'm fan the McCarthy 779 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,720 Speaker 1: twins and you know, Gerald McCoy and all types of 780 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 1: just legend Kyle van Noy dudes. I'm like fanboying about, 781 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:26,480 Speaker 1: you know, and my people are like, you know that 782 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,720 Speaker 1: they're they when you're they came up, they were the happiest, 783 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:30,880 Speaker 1: They're most excited about that ship. And I'm just like, yo, 784 00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:33,080 Speaker 1: I'm telling these guys like, look, yeah, I get a 785 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,239 Speaker 1: lot of these hosting opportunities, but it's because I've been 786 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,560 Speaker 1: able to leverage my brand and leverage my social to 787 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,520 Speaker 1: open those things up. I'm not getting those opportunities if 788 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:42,520 Speaker 1: I don't have that, Like you know, people mess with me, 789 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:44,680 Speaker 1: and I understand it. I'm not delusional about it. I'm 790 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,320 Speaker 1: a solid host. I'm getting a lot better. Like Guilt Show, 791 00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:49,560 Speaker 1: first couple of episodes are kind of rough, kind of 792 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,400 Speaker 1: just shifted into that spot, learning Gil's tendencies. You know, 793 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:53,920 Speaker 1: it's kind of having to be like a point guard, 794 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,920 Speaker 1: traffic cop, be able to really you know, control kind 795 00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,120 Speaker 1: of the show, but getting a lot more comfortable in 796 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,440 Speaker 1: those spaces and and really enjoying the men and thriving, 797 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:03,240 Speaker 1: and like, you know, I saw what Dad did, saw 798 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,800 Speaker 1: what you did. Was always super envious. I remember us 799 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,040 Speaker 1: working like see how you have championship game back in 800 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:13,920 Speaker 1: the day with modern day Artisa with James Harden were twins. Yeah, 801 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,560 Speaker 1: we're twins, you know, which is another funny a story. 802 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:18,640 Speaker 1: That's why I always rocked with Harden because I remember 803 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:20,520 Speaker 1: I told y'all, they made me go shoot, go shoot, 804 00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,239 Speaker 1: be rolling in both locker rooms, going Mater Day's locker room. 805 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,120 Speaker 1: It's somber. It's like a funeral in there, like the 806 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:28,880 Speaker 1: weird twin. Everybody super quiet. Gary mcneida going our TEASER's 807 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:30,880 Speaker 1: locker room hard and got the whole room pumped up, 808 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,000 Speaker 1: freestyling getting in. I just watched out, like, yo, our 809 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:36,360 Speaker 1: team is about to kick they ask tonight like Harden Wade. 810 00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,480 Speaker 1: Harden had this locker room just ready to go. And 811 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,040 Speaker 1: that's why I even see something knocks on him now 812 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,440 Speaker 1: like he's a bad teammate or whatever. Like every dude 813 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,240 Speaker 1: in the locker room, Ernardo Sydney, all these dudes rocking 814 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,720 Speaker 1: with James turned up ready to go out there to work. Man. 815 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:49,720 Speaker 1: But it was always envy. So the stuff you guys 816 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:51,920 Speaker 1: were doing, did a ton of production work behind the scene. 817 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:53,880 Speaker 1: Ship always wanted more so now to be able to 818 00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:55,360 Speaker 1: go out there and actually do it at a high 819 00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,040 Speaker 1: level of phenomena. Man, I'm super thankful and blessed for 820 00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:01,080 Speaker 1: everything I'm doing. We're doing the great job, man, and 821 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,320 Speaker 1: keep crushing it, bro. This year is gonna be the 822 00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:05,600 Speaker 1: best year. Man. I appreciate you for coming through, ladies 823 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:09,200 Speaker 1: and gentlemen, Josiah Johnson, and that's it. I thought we 824 00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:12,480 Speaker 1: had some more and more of this, but I appreciate 825 00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:16,240 Speaker 1: you. You You got the quick boy. I appreciate you, no doubt.