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Speaker 1: A A Bank starts right now. Welcome into the Jaguars

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Speaker 1: Reporters podcast. It's Monday, March seven. J P. Shadrick along

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Speaker 1: with Ashman Sullivan, John Osher and Brian Sexton recapping the

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Speaker 1: week in Indianapolis at the NFL Scouting Combine. Let's get

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Speaker 1: right to the biggest Jaguars story of the week. No

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Speaker 1: executive vice president. Jaguar's owner Shot Con made a statement

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Speaker 1: that might even happen on the clock. Yeah, that's kind

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Speaker 1: And they have number thirty two because the Rams gave

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Speaker 1: it up to them for the right to have the quarterback.

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Speaker 1: Seven million picks the Rams don't have. So you know,

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Speaker 1: works all right, well, Trimbak, he said, hey, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: so we'll see. It's March seventh, right, he's got a

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Speaker 1: track record that'll do it today for Jaguars reporters. Um

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Speaker 1: a nice recap, everybody very much. It's nice to see

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Speaker 1: you guys in person again. John, Brian, nice to you too.

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Speaker 1: That's Brian Sexton. John Osier is speechless. Week next week

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Speaker 1: though the agency, the negotiation period will be opening, right correct,

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Speaker 1: We will legally start tampering like nobody's legally at that

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Speaker 1: at this time next week. Bryan Sexton, John Ozer, Ashlan Sullivan,

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Speaker 1: Joe Fortunato, I'm j P. Shadrick Ken. This is Jaguar's reporters. Yeah,