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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Breaking news tonight.

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Speaker 3: The so called prophet Chad daveil on trial for triple murders.

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Speaker 3: The triple murders off his wife Tammy and two children

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Speaker 3: off his second wife, cult.

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Speaker 2: Mom Laurie Valo in court.

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Speaker 3: We are hearing claims that Dave Bail was fueled by sex,

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Speaker 3: money and power, but Nancy's so called prophet set to

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Speaker 3: pin it all on his beauty queen wife, cult mom

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Speaker 3: Laurie Valo.

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Speaker 2: Good evening, I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank

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Speaker 2: you for being with us.

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Speaker 4: We're at to North nine.

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Speaker 5: Thanks Cora.

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Speaker 6: We just found my mom.

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Speaker 4: She's on the ground, frozen her.

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Speaker 3: She's differ and.

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 7: Are you in Madison County or county Well, I'm.

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Speaker 5: Chair the husband. It's clearly dead. All right, okay, okay,

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Speaker 5: are you in Rexburg or because your address goes record

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Speaker 5: address that you're in Fremont County?

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Speaker 8: Okay, okay, all right, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 3: I didn't really mean to roll my eyes right there

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Speaker 3: at the end. I was just wondering why he saved

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Speaker 3: For the very end of the call, just before na

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Speaker 3: One hangs up.

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Speaker 2: You hear Dave bail.

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Speaker 3: The prophet go, oh, I mean I need to work

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Speaker 3: on that day Bell. And I love the way he

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Speaker 3: sat in court like, don't you don't don't While the

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Speaker 3: NYM one one is being called.

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Speaker 2: It hurt me to hear the.

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Speaker 3: Nine one one, to hear the husband say, yep, she's

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Speaker 3: on the ground, frozen steps, She's clearly dead.

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Speaker 2: I've heard a lot of nine woman calls.

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Speaker 3: But you know what, You're supposed to fake it till

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Speaker 3: you make it all right that no one one call

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Speaker 3: fell very short of making it.

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Speaker 1: A big question.

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Speaker 2: Is the so called prophet Chad day Bell going to.

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Speaker 3: Rat out his wife, who he once called a goddess

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Speaker 3: when they were dating.

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Speaker 2: Is he going to rat her out and pin all

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Speaker 2: the blame on her?

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Speaker 3: Why does it matter? Because remember, even though Lorie Valow

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Speaker 3: has been convicted, she was found guilty in the murders

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Speaker 3: of her little boy JJ and her little girl Tylely

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Speaker 3: and implicated and the murderer of her brand new husband.

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Speaker 2: Is it number five, Jackie number five? You know that

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Speaker 2: by heart? Now number five? Husband number five?

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Speaker 3: The so called prophet Chad day Bell's what Tammy day Bell,

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Speaker 3: who healthy as a horse, a young woman just ran

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Speaker 3: a marathon, died in her sleep. Before I go to

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Speaker 3: Nate Eaton, a news director of the East Idaho News.

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Speaker 3: You can find him on Facebook, Nate Eaton Reporter, I

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Speaker 3: have got to go to a special guest, Tom Evans,

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Speaker 3: a juror on the Lorii day Bell trial and part

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Speaker 3: of a book Money, Power and Sex the Lori.

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Speaker 2: Day Bell Trial.

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Speaker 3: So, Tom Evans, you not only lived through it during

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Speaker 3: the trial of Lorii.

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Speaker 2: Da Bell, you also got in on the book.

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Speaker 3: You relived it, you retraumatized yourself. So going through living

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Speaker 3: through called myon Lorie Valo's trial. Can I ask you

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Speaker 3: what are your thoughts on Chad day Bell?

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Speaker 9: Oh man, I have a lot of thoughts about Chad

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Speaker 9: day Bell. I think the most telling thing that I've

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Speaker 9: seen recently is I was sitting a court in the

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Speaker 9: morning before trial started, and Chad sits maybe ten or

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Speaker 9: fifteen feet away from me, and he was scrolling through

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Speaker 9: his computer looking at the pictures of Tammy's autopsy, and

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Speaker 9: he had no emotion on his face. I watched Chad

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Speaker 9: all the time in court looking for some kind of emotion,

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Speaker 9: but he showed nothing. He's just scrolling through like he's

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Speaker 9: looking at Facebook or something. And then later on when

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Speaker 9: testimony was happening and the jury was seeing those photos,

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Speaker 9: Chad was crying, carrying on, and John Fryar is making

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Speaker 9: a big show out of handing him a Kleenex and

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Speaker 9: just putting on a big show. So you asked if

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Speaker 9: Chad's going to turn on Tammy day, Bill, I think

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Speaker 9: he's going to do anything or Laurie val I'm sorry,

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Speaker 9: He's going to do anything he can to get out

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Speaker 9: of this.

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm just wondering.

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Speaker 3: According to some reports, he did manage to squeeze out

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Speaker 3: of tear doing that nine on one call. I didn't

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Speaker 3: see that at all as I was watching him.

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Speaker 2: Maybe some eagle eye reporter named Nate Eaton may have

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Speaker 2: seen it.

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Speaker 3: But hold on, hold on, Nate, before you jump off

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Speaker 3: the cliff, I want you to hear more the Tammy

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Speaker 3: Dabyll nine one one call played.

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Speaker 8: In Courts Groth.

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Speaker 4: Okay, can I get your name?

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Speaker 2: Chad?

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Speaker 7: Stay Bill?

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Speaker 4: Oh okay, Chad, I'm going to get somebody up to

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Speaker 4: you right now.

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Speaker 7: Okay, you have a corner or the bok it is

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Speaker 7: for the Red House.

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Speaker 4: Yes, the Red House on the corner. Yees thinking yellow light. Okay,

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Speaker 4: we'll get somebody up to your cam. So sorry, if

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Speaker 4: you need anything else, to call me back.

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Speaker 8: Okay, okay, Nate, did I just see the defense slaw

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Speaker 8: your hand him a box of tissues?

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Speaker 2: Really, I haven't seen that since.

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Speaker 3: Let's see the Lyle Meanindez trial where the defense attorney

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Speaker 3: was smoothing down the killer brothers sweaters during the trial.

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Speaker 2: They're just up all preppy.

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Speaker 3: And I noticed in the nine on one call, Oh gosh,

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Speaker 3: I wish I could try this case, although they're doing

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Speaker 3: a great job, he goes, and then he goes, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 3: we are the red house on the corner.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I just you know, help me out here, Nate.

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Speaker 7: Well, Nancy, this is the first time we saw any

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Speaker 7: sort of emotion from Chad in this trial. He has

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Speaker 7: sat there, stone faced, looking straight ahead as autopsy photos

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Speaker 7: of the children or what's left of the children were shown.

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Speaker 7: As emotional witnesses took the stand and cried about their

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Speaker 7: love of these people who have been murdered, who have

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Speaker 7: been killed. He showed no emotion except when he heard

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Speaker 7: himself crying in that call. And we haven't seen any

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Speaker 7: of the other emotions since. So it's a telling thing.

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Speaker 7: There A lot of people wonder if his attorney put

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Speaker 7: them up to that before you show some emotion and

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Speaker 7: I'll hand you the tissue box, or if it was

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Speaker 7: an actual moment that was unplanned. But either way, for

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Speaker 7: the first time in four weeks, we've seen some sort

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Speaker 2: Okay, wait a minute, it's handing him tissue. It's more

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Speaker 2: like this, hey, hey, wake up, cry me and like

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Speaker 2: we talked.

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Speaker 3: About, I mean, really, I didn't even see any emotion.

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Speaker 3: If there was any emotion, it was the defense attorney

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Speaker 2: You know, a great.

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Speaker 3: Defense attar attorney. We try to tear me apart right

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Speaker 3: now because they would say something. I mean, I've heard

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Speaker 3: so many times. I can just tell you what they'd say.

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Speaker 3: Nate Eaton something like there's no playbook for grief.

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Speaker 2: Yeah there is now.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes people are so shells shocked they're just sitting there.

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Speaker 3: But when he hears himself crying, he goes, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I was sad, and then he cries.

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Speaker 6: Well.

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Speaker 7: The other thing, Nancy that just came out with a

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Speaker 7: at Tammy's funeral.

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Speaker 6: In fact, he spoke from.

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Speaker 7: The pulpit at her service and said Tammy was kind

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Speaker 7: of lazy, she didn't do much. We had a witness

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Speaker 7: testify that he said those things at her funeral and

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Speaker 7: then seventeen days later married Lori Vallo.

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Speaker 3: Okay, guys, Nate Ayton has been on this case from

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Speaker 3: the beginning when the two children of Lori Valo cult

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Speaker 3: mom Laurie Valo went missing i Ate were murdered.

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Speaker 2: He Ayton was the one that followed cult mama Lauri.

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Speaker 3: Valo and the prophet Chad Dave Bell all the way

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Speaker 3: to Hawaii, and you can see his hand running along

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Speaker 3: beside cultmom going hey, hey, hey, where are the children?

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Speaker 2: Where are the children?

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Speaker 3: She didn't answer, but I just want to point out

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Speaker 3: another thing, you know what. Let me go to Vicky

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Speaker 3: Hobin joining me, another special guest. This is Tammy day

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Speaker 3: Bell's aunt. The death of the children seven year old Jayjay,

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Speaker 3: sixteen year old Tyley kind of overshadowed the day a

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Speaker 3: grown lady Tammy day Bell. But I've always been disturbed

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Speaker 3: that she was kind of lost in the sauce.

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Speaker 2: But not now, not in court.

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Speaker 3: Vicky Hoban, did you know that called mom Lori Valo

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Speaker 3: ordered her I'm quoting beach b e A C. H.

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Speaker 3: Wedding dress and the groom's beach wedding attire before his wife,

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Speaker 3: Tammy day Bell was killed.

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Speaker 2: And I say was killed because that's what the autopsy shows.

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Speaker 3: So either she's clairvoyant or they planned to kill Tammy

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Speaker 3: before she was found dead and then go for their

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Speaker 3: beachside Hawaiian wedding. And Liz, if you have the picture

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Speaker 3: of call Mam Murrie Valo doing the hula on the

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Speaker 3: beach that actually took pictures, did you know so that

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Speaker 3: the wedding dress and grooms outfit was ordered before Tammy,

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Speaker 3: before they got rid of the first wife.

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Speaker 10: Well, that's come out in court, and.

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Speaker 11: To be honest, I believe it was Kay Woodcock that

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Speaker 11: ended up figuring that piece of the puzzle out because

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Speaker 11: I think she had access to and I'm not sure

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Speaker 11: if it was this or the wedding rings, but she

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Speaker 11: had access to Charles's Amazon account and saw some transactions

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Speaker 11: going on. But yeah, all of that's come out, and

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Speaker 11: it's clear by some of the other testimony as well

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Speaker 11: that there was she was putting on pressure because Charles

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Speaker 11: was dead.

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Speaker 10: She was moving to Rexburg. She got to export.

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Speaker 11: Tammy still wasn't dead, and it was like, you know, okay,

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Speaker 11: just go be with your family. Then I'll just be

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Speaker 11: poor little me over in the corner and I'll just

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Speaker 11: wait for her to die and you can come back

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Speaker 11: to me. So this was not I mean, nobody's buying

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Speaker 11: well as far as nobody I know, and I don't.

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Speaker 11: I feel like the public is behind us one hundred

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Speaker 11: percent that all of the evidence leads to they had

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Speaker 11: a plan. The plan was to remove any obstacle that

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Speaker 11: was there to keep them from being together, and Tammy

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Speaker 11: was just one of them.

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Speaker 2: What was their marriage like before cult Mom came along?

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Speaker 2: Because I've got a.

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Speaker 3: Very strong feeling, and it's based on evidence that I

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Speaker 3: have obtained throughout the investigation. I don't think cult Mom

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Speaker 3: Laurie Vallo was Chad Dabiel's first mistress.

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Speaker 10: I don't either, I think that he was.

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Speaker 11: I don't think that we knew who Chad was because

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Speaker 11: the person that sits before us now is not the

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Speaker 11: person that he pretended to be in our family. So

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Speaker 11: we look at him now, we're like, who who are you?

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Speaker 11: Like still I still don't know who he is. I think,

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Speaker 11: you know, like Nate said, you know, he turned on

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Speaker 11: a fake tear when he heard himself crying.

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Speaker 10: And at the beginning of that phone call, that's.

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Speaker 11: His son, Garth, and you can hear in his voice

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Speaker 11: the like he's just shock in shock. And then Chad

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Speaker 11: grabs a phone away from him, and then in the

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Speaker 11: courtroom when you hear him go, he starts to tear up,

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Speaker 11: which I don't even know if he did tear up.

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Speaker 2: Several things.

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Speaker 3: Number one, as to the crying in court, there's a

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Speaker 3: he's crying and he gets the tissue and dare I reenact,

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Speaker 3: dab dab dab dab. There's no nothing like that. Nothing

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Speaker 3: but that said when we hear Vicky Hopen, who is

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Speaker 2: I had a pretty good idea of who Chad Dave Bill.

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Speaker 3: Was is when I heard one of his most infamous

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Speaker 3: pickup lines during his marriage. Hey, you and I were

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Speaker 3: married in another life, so we've already done it.

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Speaker 2: Let's hip hop over to the sleeping motel.

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Speaker 3: We've slept together in a previous life as man and wife,

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Speaker 2: He actually said that, and women went for it.

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Speaker 6: Well, Lourie Valleshore went for it.

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Speaker 7: I mean within hours, within minutes, he was telling her

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Speaker 7: in the second Coming of Jesus Christ, and they would

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Speaker 7: her job. Her role was to lead the one hundred

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Speaker 7: and he was to lead the men, and they were

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Speaker 7: to create this and it's come out in court. Like

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Speaker 7: you said, Nancy, that they would go to hotels to

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Speaker 2: Nay for Pete's sake, you're a reporter.

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Speaker 3: They weren't meeting in the lobby to discuss the second

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Speaker 6: They weren't doing that.

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Speaker 7: But when a friend asked, Laurie, don't you feel uncomfortable

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Speaker 7: I pray and Jesus tells me how far we can

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Speaker 3: Wait a minute, you know how I get when somehow

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Speaker 2: So wait, is she's saying that Christ? I almost hate

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Speaker 3: Okay, was like an umpire and Christ is saying first

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Speaker 7: Pretty much? Yeah, pretty much? I mean, and she was

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Speaker 7: She would use manipulation to try to get him with her.

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Speaker 7: He would manipulate her back. It was a relationship that's

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Speaker 12: Yeah, I asked him, says, are they going to do

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Speaker 12: I do not want her to have an autopsy.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 2: Nate Eaton helped me out.

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Speaker 3: You were hearing what was stated by Steve Schul's day

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Speaker 3: Let's be clear, Nate Eaton, what did Chad day Bell

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Speaker 7: Him, cough a lot around ten o'clock the night before,

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Speaker 7: He stayed up. This was one of his stories, Nancy.

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Speaker 7: It's kind of changed by the way. He says that

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Speaker 7: He then said that he yelled out to his son

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Speaker 6: She was cold. They then called nine one one.

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Speaker 7: And as you mentioned, she didn't want an autopsy, and

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Speaker 7: It's fine, we want to move on. And now we

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Speaker 6: Cold on.

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Speaker 3: Wait, wait, you said she didn't want an autopsy. Tammy

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Speaker 7: No, no, sorry, I should Davell's daughter, Chad was there

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Speaker 3: You know, I'm surprised they didn't do an autopsy anyway,

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Speaker 3: because didn't he say at the time that pink froth

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Speaker 7: Right and the coroner testified that there was a deputy

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Speaker 7: And you know, Tammy was a beloved librarian at the

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Speaker 6: And Chad really hadn't thought about that.

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Speaker 3: You know you stated also Nate Eaton from eastsidahr knees

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Speaker 7: It'd only been yeah, a couple of hours, and that

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Speaker 6: So he had.

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Speaker 7: Talked about this. We don't know what Tammy thought about that,

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Speaker 3: Okay, maybe he and Scott Peterson shared room together behind

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Speaker 3: One of those things would be prophesying your wife's death

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Speaker 3: before she dies. Doctor Kendall Crown, chief Medical Examiner of

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Speaker 3: Doctor Kendall Crowns, I thought when the cod cause of

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Speaker 13: That's correct. I mean when the circumstances of death are unknown,

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Speaker 13: suspicious of a number of things, and not just you know,

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Speaker 3: Doctor Kendel Crowns, those were a lot of words, so

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Speaker 3: medical students who understand what you're saying doctor crowns, Yes, No,

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Speaker 3: when you have a healthy young female, she's forty nine

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that was a big problem.

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Speaker 3: To what the funeral director said.

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Speaker 12: He wanted to have the funeral service as soon as possible.

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Speaker 12: And this was on a Sunday morning, and I said, well,

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Speaker 3: What why don't they just put her in a trash

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Speaker 2: I mean, are you hearing this? Nate Ayton helped me.

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Speaker 2: Am I hearing that.

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Speaker 3: She's found on Saturday, and he wanted to have the

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Speaker 3: And they really, really, Chad, Dave Bill really wanted to

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Speaker 3: timmy Daybill buried and far far away from an autopsy

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Speaker 7: And not only that, Nancy, it wasn't there in their hometown.

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Speaker 7: This funeral where they were going to bury Tammy was

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Speaker 7: have to get her buried, and it has come out

444
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:26,600
Speaker 7: at the trial that he was in communication with Lori

445
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 7: Valo during all of this. I'm sure you're not surprised

446
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:29,480
Speaker 7: to hear that.

447
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:34,000
Speaker 12: Whenever there's whenever there's somebody who's passed away without like,

448
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:40,159
Speaker 12: without the doctor's being there to handle that, I'm always

449
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:45,600
Speaker 12: really leary of things such as, well, I don't want

450
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:50,560
Speaker 12: to have an autopsy. I don't want to I don't

451
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:54,840
Speaker 12: want to drag this thing out. And there were already

452
00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:59,959
Speaker 12: some red flags that I that I had encountered prior

453
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:04,880
Speaker 12: to her passing away. That just there was a cause

454
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:09,439
Speaker 12: of suspicion for me, And I'm not suspicion concern. I

455
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:13,440
Speaker 12: wanted to find out if she had fallen, if there

456
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:16,479
Speaker 12: was anything wrong with Hammy.

457
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 3: To Vicky Hoven joining us, this is Timmy Dave Bale's

458
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,680
Speaker 3: aunt was so man, thank you for being with us.

459
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:27,719
Speaker 3: Maybe I'm seeing all this in hindsight is twenty twenty.

460
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 2: But what the big rush? Did you believe there was

461
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:32,440
Speaker 2: a rush at the time.

462
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:35,680
Speaker 10: Yeah, I did. I had the flu. I found out

463
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 10: she passed Saturday morning.

464
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:41,920
Speaker 11: I had a one hundred and five fever and I said,

465
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 11: you know, please, you know, wait, you know, because I'm

466
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 11: not going to be able to come. I had a

467
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 11: sister with cancer and I couldn't be around her sick,

468
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:56,199
Speaker 11: and I had to travel from Arizona.

469
00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,880
Speaker 10: So I didn't even get to attend the funeral.

470
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:04,399
Speaker 11: Because as he said she was, he looked, she looked peaceful,

471
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:08,119
Speaker 11: and so he didn't need an autopsy, so he wanted

472
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 11: to get it done.

473
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 10: And I was blown away. I can't even express how

474
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 10: to me that was a big red flag. It was

475
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 10: just because he didn't care about family getting.

476
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:25,639
Speaker 11: There or I mean, it was just it was so

477
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 11: rushed and just let's just get it done, wrap it up,

478
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:31,639
Speaker 11: and be done with it. And it was like, no,

479
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,400
Speaker 11: this is a person that means something to us. I mean,

480
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 11: we wanted to celebrate her life, we wanted to mourn

481
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 11: her death.

482
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 10: We didn't know why she had died, she was perfectly healthy.

483
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,640
Speaker 11: There were so many things going on, so much going

484
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:49,640
Speaker 11: on within our family trying to figure it out, and my.

485
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:50,879
Speaker 10: Sister wasn't shocked.

486
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:54,479
Speaker 11: It just I can't even explain to you what it

487
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:58,679
Speaker 11: feels like to have somebody feel, you know, to the

488
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 11: point where they just want to get rid of her

489
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 11: and just put it behind him. And you know, I

490
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 11: felt horrible for her children because I'm like, they can't

491
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 11: be okay with this.

492
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 10: This doesn't even make any sense. It was heartbreaking.

493
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:15,159
Speaker 3: I'm just thinking it through. Tara Malick is with us,

494
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:20,919
Speaker 3: high profile lawyer Smith and Malik in these in and

495
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 3: around these jurisdictions.

496
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 2: Tara, thank you for being with us.

497
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 3: You know, it's really hard to keep a jury from projecting.

498
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:31,959
Speaker 3: Because as I was listening to Vicky Hoban talk and

499
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:35,400
Speaker 3: that's Tammy's aunt, I was thinking about when my dad

500
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 3: went to heaven and I had a nephew.

501
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 2: We're all very.

502
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 3: Close family, and as I recall it, he was in

503
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 3: the middle of taking the entrance test to go to

504
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 3: graduate school to get his NBA, and.

505
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:54,360
Speaker 2: We're, well, he's got to be here, and we waited.

506
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:59,879
Speaker 3: We waited an extra day or more so the whole

507
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 3: family could be together.

508
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 2: But my dad, you know, when we had his service, and.

509
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 3: I'm projecting that onto what I'm hearing, or I can't

510
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 3: wait to go to the juror.

511
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:11,440
Speaker 2: Tom Evans.

512
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 3: But tarm Mallett, you're your trial lawyer, how do you

513
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 3: dispel that juror projection of their own life events onto

514
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 3: the defendant?

515
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:25,359
Speaker 6: Well, you can't.

516
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:27,959
Speaker 14: I mean, the bottom line is that jurors are going

517
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 14: to draw on their own personal experiences when they're interpreting

518
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 14: what they're hearing and when they are deciding what the

519
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 14: facts of this case are. And you know, the prosecution

520
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 14: has done a really nice job of covering these types

521
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 14: of things, including the rush to get you know, get

522
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:51,719
Speaker 14: Tammy buried. I think that goes back to their motive,

523
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 14: their big motive here that they're saying Chad had, which

524
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 14: is this case was fueled by sex, money, and power,

525
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 14: and all of these pieces of information about his rush

526
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 14: to get her buried, his rush to skip over an

527
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 14: autopsy go to that theme, right, I mean, he is

528
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 14: in a hurry to move on with his life.

529
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 3: Okay, here I go projecting again. But to Tom Evans,

530
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 3: a juror on the Cult Mom Lori Vello trial, and

531
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 3: check out the book Money, Power and Sects the Lori

532
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 3: Dave Bell trial.

533
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 2: Tom.

534
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 3: A couple of months ago, I looked at my husband,

535
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 3: David I might. You've got to go to the doctor

536
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 3: right now. Your color is not right. You look gray.

537
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 3: Your face looks gray. And he said, no, it doesn't'm

538
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 3: like it does. Please go to the doctor.

539
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 2: He went to the doctor.

540
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 6: Guess what it was.

541
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 3: A previous doctor had very wisely given him some type

542
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:53,479
Speaker 3: of lotion to actually help prevent skin cancer. Okay, and

543
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 3: it's white, and it gave him a grayish power.

544
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 2: I would not rest until he went to.

545
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 3: The heart doctor and has a whole shebang, the stress

546
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 3: test that you name it done, every test, imagine, because.

547
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 2: I was worried.

548
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 3: So if Grandma whoever is coming back, Grandma Cooper, that's

549
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 3: my mother.

550
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 1: Excuse me what, VICKI, that's my mom.

551
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 11: That he's saying he's getting these peminition or visions from.

552
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 10: And it's well, if.

553
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 2: It's your mom, why did she come back and tell you?

554
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 11: Well she that The whole point is it is a

555
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 11: crock of crap is what.

556
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 2: I'll say it for you bs. It's a technical legal term.

557
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 2: So it's your mother coming back to Chad Daybell. I

558
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 2: bet she didn't like Chad day Bill very much, did she?

559
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 6: Why would she pick Chad?

560
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 11: There's I mean, if she's gonna got something to say.

561
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 11: There are other people she was a lot closer to.

562
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 11: I just don't I don't know why he used her

563
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 11: other than she had a lot of influence over our family.

564
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 11: She was a powerful matriarch of the family. But to

565
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 11: use her and to put her in his books and

566
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 11: to use her as to serve the purpose of trying

567
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 11: to get rid of Tammy or to manipulate her or

568
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 11: her family or whatever is just despicable.

569
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 2: You know what.

570
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 3: My husband's mom same way, the most wonderful person, had

571
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 3: a profound effect on my husband, even though she passed

572
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 3: several years ago. When he does something I don't want

573
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 3: him to do, I say, David, I'm calling your mother.

574
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 3: I'm going to do a seance and I'm going to

575
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 3: call her.

576
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 2: So I hear what you're saying. So she was picked

577
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 2: by day Bell.

578
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 3: Specifically to affect Tammy's decision to make a five hour,

579
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 3: ten hour round trip visit to Tom Evans. What do

580
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 3: you think about all these premonitions and the dearly departy

581
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 3: that have already gone over and gone to heaven coming

582
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 3: back to guess who Chad day Bell and telling him

583
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 3: Tammy's going to die and lower behole. She wakes up

584
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 3: covered in bruises with pink froth in her mouth.

585
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 9: Well, is the guru the religious guru in this case?

586
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 6: But I think this.

587
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 9: It's just also confoluted and complicated, And I know that

588
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 9: the prosecution, you know, it's just hard for them.

589
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 10: They're worried about whether they're getting through to the jury

590
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:15,239
Speaker 10: right now.

591
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 9: I'm sure, but they have to have faith that the

592
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:22,719
Speaker 9: jury is seeing the accumulation of evidence of what it's

593
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 9: going to come down to.

594
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 3: Wow, have you ever considered being a lawyer, because that

595
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 3: would have been a great closing argument.

596
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 2: So what was the cod cause of death? Listen?

597
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 15: Two months after Tammy dave Bell's death, while Chad Day

598
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 15: Bell is celebrating his Hawaiian nuptials to Lorivello Da Bell,

599
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 15: his late wife's body is exzoomed for a proper autopsy.

600
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 15: Questions swirling around the whereabouts of Lorivello's children elicit doubts

601
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 15: that Tammy Dave Bell's death was truly of natural causes.

602
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 15: Fremont County corner Brenda Dye re examines dave Bell's body

603
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 15: and finds several inconsistencies. Dave Belle's stomach contents do not

604
00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 15: indicate she vomited. As Jed Dabll reported, the ruise on

605
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 15: her arm had significantly deepened, and her lungs were still

606
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 15: full of pink foam, which should have subsided dia Men's

607
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 15: the cause of death to homicide by asphyxiation due to strangulation.

608
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 3: Doctor Kendall Crowns, joining US Chief Medical Examiner Terran County

609
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 3: Doctor Kendall Crowns, what does that mean that her lungs were.

610
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 2: Still full of pink foam?

611
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 3: And also, based on what they find in Tammy's stomach,

612
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 3: they know she didn't throw up. That's a new one

613
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 3: on me, the looking in the stomach and knowing that

614
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 3: she didn't throw up.

615
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 2: I'm familiar with the pink fuam, But can.

616
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 3: You address the stomach contents as they indicate she did

617
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 3: not throw up?

618
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 2: How can you do that?

619
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 13: Actually, that one's a new one for me as well.

620
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 13: I'm not sure how they would know if someone didn't vomit.

621
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 13: You know, when you throw up, you don't necessarily throw

622
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 13: up your entire stomach content someone go So I don't

623
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 13: know where they're going with that one at all. I

624
00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 13: can explain the pink fluid pomeriadema. I can't explain what

625
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 13: they mean by she didn't throw up.

626
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 2: Okay, let's hear it.

627
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 13: That's pulmary edema. Fluid in the lungs. When your heart

628
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 13: goes into a regular heartbeats or starts slowing down before

629
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:15,360
Speaker 13: you die, it causes a backup of fluid because the

630
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 13: blood isn't circulating properly. The blood backs up, that causes

631
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 13: a fluid backup that then goes into the lungs, creating

632
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,399
Speaker 13: a edema or fluid build up in the lungs, which

633
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:30,359
Speaker 13: creates this frothy, frothy foam that you see coming out

634
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 13: of the mouth. You're going to see this and usually

635
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 13: in drug overdoses, cases of asphyxiation, cardiac deaths, and drownings.

636
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:42,760
Speaker 2: Why do you get the pink foam?

637
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:48,879
Speaker 3: If you're asphyxiated, smothered, strangle ligature manual, Why the pink foam?

638
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 13: Then you're going to get the while you're being strangled

639
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,720
Speaker 13: or asphyxiated, you're going to have your heart start slowing

640
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:59,479
Speaker 13: down because you're losing oxygenation of your tissues going into

641
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 13: organ filure, which results in you developing the edema. And also,

642
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 13: I would like to point out with his premonitions. I

643
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:10,360
Speaker 13: feel he's using that as a foundation for his murder,

644
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 13: in manipulating religious people by saying that God is talking

645
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 13: to him because he already has a plan in place,

646
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 13: So he's just saying, hey, we're having I'm having a

647
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 13: word from God that something's going to happen, and then

648
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 13: manipulating their religious background.

649
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 2: I agree, night Aton. Tell me how the jury is reacting.

650
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 6: The jury this entire time has been very focused.

651
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 7: They are many are taking notes, Many are intently looking

652
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:43,280
Speaker 7: at the witnesses and at Chad. They're seated directly across

653
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,319
Speaker 7: from Chad Dabel, so they all they have to do

654
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:47,839
Speaker 7: is look forward to see his reaction. For all of it,

655
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 7: there haven't been any disruptions with the jury. There are

656
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 7: six alternate jurors here, so you have the twelve jurors

657
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 7: and the six alternates. They will know at the end

658
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 7: of the trial who the alternates are. And remember, Nancy,

659
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 7: this is a penalty case. So if Chad day Bell

660
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:05,240
Speaker 7: is found guilty, we will go straight into the penalty

661
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 7: phase where the jury will then decide if he gets

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Speaker 7: death or life in prison, and there will be witnesses

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Speaker 7: called by the state and by the defense to argue

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Speaker 7: whether he should get life or death. So this jury

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Speaker 7: will not only decide the verdict, but they will decide

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Speaker 7: what sentence Chad dave Bell will get.

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Speaker 3: Nate Ayton is the so called profit going to try

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Speaker 3: to pinant all on call?

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Speaker 16: Mom, Laurie Vale, Well, I think he already is. I

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00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 16: think he already is. That his defense attorney said in

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Speaker 16: his opening statements that Chad day Bell had a normal life.

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00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 16: He'd never even gotten a speeding ticket. And Lori Valo

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00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 16: came from chaos. She came from four husbands, She was

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Speaker 16: constantly surrounded by commotion, her brother would do anything for her.

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Speaker 16: And then when Chad Davell met her, everything changed, everything changed.

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Speaker 16: It was her, It was her, and so every single witness,

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Speaker 16: it seems his defense attorney is trying to point the

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Speaker 16: finger the other way and say Chad wasn't really involved

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Speaker 16: in this. It was all her, and it was all

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Speaker 16: Alex Cox, who's also dead, her brother.

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Speaker 3: Oh okay, so it's the Garden of Eden all over again.

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Speaker 2: Blame the woman, it's her fault.

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Speaker 3: And to you Tom Evans, who was a jurrar on

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Speaker 3: the Coltman, Laurie Valo trial.

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Speaker 2: As you look at the.

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Speaker 3: Evidence unfolding against Chad Dabail, what do you make of

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Speaker 3: all of his heavenly visits and Colt mom trying to

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Speaker 3: use Christ to justify triple murder.

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Speaker 9: Oh, it's just crazy. The whole thing is unbelievable. Sitting

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Speaker 9: in the courtroom with Lorie Valo for seven weeks and

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Speaker 9: then the first time I ever heard her speak was

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Speaker 9: that her sentencing, and that's what she had to say.

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Speaker 9: It's just insulting. There are people in that room gasping

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Speaker 9: and just shaking their heads. I'm sorry that wasn't the

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Speaker 9: question you asked me, but it was.

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Speaker 2: The perfect answer. Or I can tell you that much.

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Speaker 3: And I'm just wondering, Nate Eaton, if there's any move

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Speaker 3: afoot for Dabail the prophet to take the stand and

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Speaker 3: see if he can entice a jury the way he

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Speaker 3: entice that string of women.

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Speaker 17: That's a great question, Nancy. I doubt he would take

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Speaker 17: the stand. But think about this. This is a man

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Speaker 17: that wanted followers. This is a man that wrote books.

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Speaker 17: He wanted readers.

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Speaker 7: He tried to convince people his entire adult life to

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Speaker 7: follow him, to believe what he says, Will he take

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Speaker 7: the stand and get those jurors believing what he says?

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Speaker 6: Will he have eighteen more followers.

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Speaker 7: At the end of this trial, or will they tell

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Speaker 7: him No, your story, your books, all of the stuff

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00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:46,879
Speaker 7: you're preaching doesn't hold up. Your plan to go live

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00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 7: with Jesus might not happen now. Instead, you're going to

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Speaker 7: be living in prison the rest of your life. Or

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Speaker 7: you might meet Jesus sooner than you thought. So we'll

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Speaker 7: have to see if he does take the stand. I

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Speaker 7: would strongly doubt if he does, you know, I would.

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Speaker 2: Have to have a strength to figure this out.

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Speaker 3: But I've taken a look at Chad Dabll the so

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Speaker 3: called profits string of doomsday books. They don't sound anything

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Speaker 3: like what I've read about Christ nothing at all. Well,

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Speaker 3: he can think about that behind bars. Let's stop and

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Speaker 3: remember American hero police officer Jordan Wingate, just twenty nine,

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Speaker 3: critically injured in a car crash in the line of duty.

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Speaker 2: Rookie of the Year, he.

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Speaker 3: Leaves behind father Randall, a retired police captain, and his family.

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Speaker 3: American hero police Officer Jordan Wingate thank you to our

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Speaker 3: guests for being with us, but especially to you for

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Speaker 3: being with us tonight.

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Speaker 2: Nancy Grace signing off good night,