1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,640 Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants. 2 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:07,760 Speaker 2: Let's Giants on My Giants, give me some job. 3 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:10,800 Speaker 3: Part of the Giants Podcast Network. Let's roll. Welcome to 4 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:13,040 Speaker 3: another edition of The Giants Little Podcast, brought to you 5 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 3: by Citizens, the official bank of the New York Football Giants. 6 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 3: I'm John schmil joined by Paul Detino, our guest today 7 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 3: and the Giants Little Podcast is former Giants offensive coordinator, 8 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 3: former offensive corner for a lot of places, former Notre 9 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 3: Dame head coach Go down the list, Super Bowl champion 10 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 3: Charlie Wise, Charlie, how are you? 11 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:30,480 Speaker 4: I was never the offensive coordinator for the Giants. 12 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:32,839 Speaker 3: Though, so he gave you a promotion running back. 13 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:35,199 Speaker 4: No, yeah, coach running back. 14 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:37,159 Speaker 3: I'm too young, that's the problem. 15 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:41,840 Speaker 4: My first year in the league was Super Bowl twenty five. 16 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:48,239 Speaker 4: I started as the assistant special teams coach and basically 17 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 4: defensive quality control. So I was working with Belichick and 18 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 4: Grow and Romeo and Mike Schweatman and uh. I was 19 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 4: a was the bottom feeder, you know. And then the 20 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 4: next year, after Bill left and Ray took over, I 21 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 4: flipped over from defense to offense and coached the runbacks 22 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 4: for the next couple of years. 23 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:14,400 Speaker 3: Obviously, long time offensive coordinator for the Patriots, won multiple 24 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 3: Super Bowls, obviously, and also host on serious XMNFL radio 25 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:20,120 Speaker 3: with the voice of the Giants, Bob Pop as well. 26 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 4: He's the best to work with and I know that 27 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:25,960 Speaker 4: you guys have gotten spoiled from having him for so long, 28 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 4: but he makes my day goes so much easier because 29 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:35,039 Speaker 4: you know about chemistry in this business. If you don't 30 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:37,679 Speaker 4: have chemistry, it just doesn't it just doesn't work. And 31 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 4: he just makes it so easy, you know, so easy 32 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 4: to do it. 33 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 3: Charlie, It's all about being a Jersey guy. You know that. 34 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 4: Well, we talk about that all the time. And trust me, 35 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 4: here's here's my biggest pet peeve. You represent the New 36 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 4: York Giants that are in New Jersey. Okay, they play 37 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 4: a New Jersey, they practice a New Jersey. Their offices 38 00:01:57,080 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 4: are in New Jersey, but they're called New York. You 39 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 4: want to explain Ain't that one to me? 40 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 3: I think that's kind of before our era. 41 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 1: I'm not sure that's beside the point. 42 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:11,360 Speaker 4: The Raiders are not called the Oakland Raiders, are they 43 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:14,800 Speaker 4: They're Okay, well, I mean it should be it should 44 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 4: be the New Jersey Giants. 45 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:18,959 Speaker 3: But well, the Giants they play start playing in the 46 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 3: polo grounds, obviously, which is which was in New York, 47 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 3: and I think that's probably where it came from your thought. 48 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 3: Generally speaking, Charlie, on this draft class, which is a 49 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 3: pretty heavy offensive class compared to what we've seen in 50 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:29,920 Speaker 3: the last couple of. 51 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 4: Years, well, let me zero in on as it relates 52 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 4: to the Giants. Okay, so the Giants are in a 53 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 4: very interesting situation because we all know they could use 54 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:44,639 Speaker 4: an offensive lineman. We all know that they can they 55 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 4: could use a frontline wide receiver. I always could use 56 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 4: help all over the place on defense, you always could 57 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 4: do that. But but realistically, you have such an interesting 58 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 4: talented group at quarterback. The dilemma you're gonna have is 59 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 4: what happens if one of those top three guys is 60 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 4: there when you're picking number. 61 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 3: Six, which I think is unlikely, but you never know. 62 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't know. I think they'll they'll 63 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 4: go on two and three, but I don't know that 64 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 4: you know. I have no I have no idea. I 65 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:19,519 Speaker 4: do know that the Bears, the Bears will play their 66 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:24,080 Speaker 4: hand here before free agency starts, because if they're gonna 67 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 4: trade justin fields. It'll be, it'll it'll be. They've already 68 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 4: said it'll be in the next They'll have made that 69 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:33,960 Speaker 4: decision in the next couple of weeks. So let's assume 70 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 4: the Bears trade justin fields. Okay, let's assume because all 71 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 4: the all the tea leaves are heading in that direction. Well, 72 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 4: then they're taking a quarterback. Washington, they're taking a quarterback. 73 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 4: The Patriots, they should take a quarterback. I don't know 74 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 4: if they will or they won't, but I think that 75 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 4: the third spot in the draft, we'll probably take a quarterback. 76 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 4: I just don't know if it'll be them. But let's 77 00:03:56,920 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 4: say if it's not, let's say it's let's say that 78 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 4: Marvin Harrison Junior. And then let's say Arizona, Arizona. Well, 79 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 4: they're not taking a quarterback. They had Kyler Murray unless 80 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 4: they unless that online thing the other day saying he's 81 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 4: our franchise quarterback was just bait, saying come and get him. Okay, 82 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:20,479 Speaker 4: they're not taking a quarterback, so I mean, you're already 83 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 4: you're already to pick five. They're not taking a quarterback either, 84 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 4: unless there's a trade, So you could be sitting there. Now, 85 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:31,839 Speaker 4: this is not an anti Daniel Jones comment. This is like, 86 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 4: what do you do? Do you let one of those 87 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:37,160 Speaker 4: guys if that guy's available. I happen to think Jayden 88 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:41,040 Speaker 4: Daniels was clearly the best player in college football this year. 89 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:41,599 Speaker 3: Excellent. 90 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 4: I'm not saying he's the number one prospect. I'm just 91 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 4: saying he was the best college football player this year. 92 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:50,600 Speaker 4: And I watched him close because my kids at all mess, 93 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:53,119 Speaker 4: you know, And I mean, you want to go watch 94 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 4: Jaden Daniels. Go watch the old Miss LSU game. It 95 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:00,480 Speaker 4: was one hundred to ninety nine and on the play, 96 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 4: all Miss win. The good guys won, by the way. 97 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:05,799 Speaker 4: But even on the last play of the game, Jaden 98 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 4: Daniels rolls to the right, scrambles back to the left, 99 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:11,279 Speaker 4: throws a bullet to the end zone that hits the receiver. 100 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 4: It's in the receiver's hands to win the game. I 101 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 4: almost had a heart attack. I mean, so, I mean 102 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 4: that that is the dilemma you have, and I'm glad 103 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 4: that I'm not in that seat. But as a matter 104 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 4: of fact, I got to interview Joe yesterday and I said, 105 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 4: look it, I'm only going to ask you one question. 106 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:34,599 Speaker 4: And here is the one question I said. I'm only 107 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:36,720 Speaker 4: because we had a three man team. I'm gonna ask 108 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 4: you one question. What are you doing with Saquon Part A? 109 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 4: What are you doing with McKinney Part B? And then 110 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:45,039 Speaker 4: with the sixth pick of the draft, you're trading up, 111 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 4: you're trading back? Or what are you taking? If you 112 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 4: if you stand pat other than that, I have no 113 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:52,599 Speaker 4: questions for you. 114 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:55,479 Speaker 2: Okay, but what piece of advice would you have given 115 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 2: him if one of those quarterbacks drops and you just 116 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:00,919 Speaker 2: take it for the Giant have needs? 117 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:02,719 Speaker 3: Would you trade Jacum? 118 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:06,479 Speaker 4: You would just take a Kiacum because it's proven in 119 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 4: this league you can't win without him. You can't win 120 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 4: without quarterback. And what Daniels had a bunch of injuries. 121 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:16,159 Speaker 4: Now we're gonna say whatever we want, but he has 122 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 4: had a bunch of injuries. So I mean, until you 123 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 4: know that he's that he's gonna be. You got spoiled 124 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:27,039 Speaker 4: with Eli. He played a zillion games in a row. 125 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 4: Not only not only was he a good player and 126 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 4: a great leader and a great role model citizen and 127 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:38,360 Speaker 4: all that other stuff, but he was durable. I got 128 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 4: to coach Tommy, he was always every day he's there. 129 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 4: You know you don't have to worry about who's playing 130 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 4: this week. It's going to be him. 131 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 5: You love turf, You're good at it, So you start 132 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:52,840 Speaker 5: a turf bus business grows, your savings grow, become the 133 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 5: most celebrated name in turf. Are you ready for all 134 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:57,719 Speaker 5: that life rings? 135 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:02,280 Speaker 2: Ask you something, Charlie, because you were around for it. 136 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:07,039 Speaker 2: Think about Phil Simms's first five years in this league. 137 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 2: So many injuries, so many people said he was a bust, 138 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 2: so many people said it would never amount to anything 139 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 2: because he was always hurt. And then finally what happened 140 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 2: nineteen eighty four. You know, you're a Jersey guy, you 141 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 2: know how it turned around for him. And now Phil 142 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 2: is is, you know, one of the great giants of 143 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 2: all time. He was able to be called more durable 144 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 2: after several years of being sidelined. 145 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 4: I'm not saying that it can't happen. I'm what I'm saying. 146 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 4: I'm not saying. I'm not saying it can't happen. But 147 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 4: right now, until we have evidence, okay, that that you've 148 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 4: moved in that direction, then you better cover yourself because 149 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 4: how many teams have we seen in this league, and 150 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 4: you can throw the Giants in there that have gotten 151 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 4: quarterback held because the injuries did a quarterback. Sure, yeah, 152 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 4: I mean, and you want to you want your team 153 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 4: to go down the tubes in a hurry. You know 154 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 4: that's the that's the quickest way for it to happen. 155 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 3: Well to your point in terms of covering yourself at quarterback. 156 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 3: Let's say your original theory holds true. The first three 157 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 3: picks a quarterbacks, none of those teams want to trade out. 158 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 3: The Giants can't even trade up to get one of 159 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 3: those guys because the Patriots, the Commander's the Bears old side, 160 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 3: we want to draft one of the guys. We're not moving. 161 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 3: When you get to that second class of quarterbacks. Would 162 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 3: you be excited about drafting any one of those three 163 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 3: if they get to the Giants in the second round? 164 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 3: The Bonnicks is, the JJ McCarthy's, the Michael Pennox's. Do 165 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 3: you think those guys are gonna be a good. 166 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 4: Plays in the second round? You're gonna be lucky if 167 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 4: any of those guys is there in the second round when. 168 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:36,199 Speaker 3: You pick good old quarterback. 169 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 4: Inflation, right, I'm just saying you'll be because people say well, 170 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 4: there might only be four because the common the common opinion. Now, 171 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 4: remember not I'm not on the inside anymore. So for me, 172 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 4: I'm doing this from afar. I'm not wired in to 173 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 4: to like like a lot of other people are, so 174 00:08:57,080 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 4: when you're not, the common opinion is that that Caleb 175 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:05,200 Speaker 4: Williams is the first guy, and either Jade and Daniels 176 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 4: or Drake may is second or third. That's the common opinion, 177 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 4: and then everyone seemed to think JJ McCarthy is the 178 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 4: next guy to go. Well, that leaves Pennix and Knicks, 179 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 4: and all they did was win at a high level, 180 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 4: playing great both of them. 181 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:22,080 Speaker 3: The only guy Knicks couldn't beat was Pennix. 182 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 4: I mean, but me, But both those guys played great. 183 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 4: They both played great. So you're looking at those guys, well, okay, 184 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:32,680 Speaker 4: Pennix has a little injury history, which you know, with 185 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 4: based off of the subject we're having as a little 186 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 4: bit of a question mark. But watch him play. Now. 187 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:40,959 Speaker 4: Granted he had probably the one of the greatest groups 188 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 4: of wide receivers you could ever be playing with two 189 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 4: of these throwing two, I might be able to complete 190 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 4: passes if I was playing at Washington that year, but 191 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:52,680 Speaker 4: that being said, how could you not like the talent 192 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 4: that those guys have and people say, well, you better 193 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 4: take one this year because next year's class won't be 194 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 4: as good. Remember remember now, I have a kid who 195 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 4: coaches in college, and I'm on. If there's anything I 196 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:09,840 Speaker 4: do know is because his quarterback is one of those guys. 197 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 4: Next year. I mean, next year's class is going to 198 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 4: be loaded again, and it's a good thing. When you 199 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 4: need a quarterback, you know, you hope not to be 200 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:20,439 Speaker 4: drafted in this high very often. 201 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 3: Tell me about it, and you want to take the 202 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 3: shot when you have it. 203 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 4: Do I believe Do I believe they have a greater 204 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 4: need for this current team at wide receiver, yes? Do 205 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 4: I think they have a greater needed offensive lineman yes, 206 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:37,439 Speaker 4: But with that being said, if one of those one 207 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:40,200 Speaker 4: of those top guys is available, jump all over. 208 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 3: Johnsontle podcast is brought to you by Citizens, the official 209 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:44,959 Speaker 3: bank of the Giants from game data. 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It's 219 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:10,440 Speaker 2: you know, to go with the workhorse, superstar Guy's not 220 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 2: the way to go anymore. What would you advise Joe 221 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:16,320 Speaker 2: to do, not only with Barkley, but in terms of 222 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:18,319 Speaker 2: filling up his running back room. 223 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 4: Well, it starts with trying to get a deal done 224 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:27,720 Speaker 4: with Saquon. I mean, any Giant fan would be remiss 225 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 4: if they thought that they will, let's get rid of 226 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:32,680 Speaker 4: Saquon and save that money. I mean, who in the 227 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 4: right mind would think that he's their best player. It's 228 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 4: not close for second, I mean there's not There's not 229 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 4: another offensive player on the on their on their team 230 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 4: that's even in his ballpark. I mean he's different. Now 231 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 4: we talk about injuries again, we talk about age at 232 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 4: the running back position. I mean Joe and Brian and 233 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 4: the Powers, Debay will have a number that they're willing 234 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 4: they're willing to pay and has a number that he's 235 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 4: that he's looking to get. And if they can come 236 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:08,319 Speaker 4: up with a marriage, fine, but if you can't, I mean, 237 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 4: life moves on. That's just the way it goes. And 238 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:15,079 Speaker 4: the good thing for the Giants and every other team 239 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 4: is if it didn't work out with Saquon, and I 240 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 4: hope it does, but if there's a bunch of free 241 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 4: agent running backs a million two that you can get 242 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 4: a lot cheaper than you can get Saquon for now, 243 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 4: they're not maybe not as good, okay, but they're still good. 244 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:35,200 Speaker 4: They're not as good, but they're still good. And there's 245 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:37,320 Speaker 4: a bunch of them you look at. I can give 246 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:40,320 Speaker 4: you twelve of them that could be starting running backs 247 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 4: that are all going to be free, twelve of them. 248 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 4: And I can go deeper than that, but I could 249 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 4: give you twelve of them, you know, and I can 250 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 4: give you guys that I'll give you. I'll give you 251 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:54,600 Speaker 4: an example one. Devin Singletary, Right, Okay, Devin Singletary played 252 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:57,320 Speaker 4: great for the Texans this year, really well. They had 253 00:12:57,400 --> 00:12:59,959 Speaker 4: him on the cheap because because he was a free agent, 254 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 4: Buffalo would let him go. They had him on the cheap. 255 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 4: What he cost what five million dollars or something like that. 256 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:08,960 Speaker 4: Well you say, well, only five million dollars. You do 257 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 4: cartwheels right now. To have a running back for five 258 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:13,960 Speaker 4: million dollars that played as good as he did, sure, 259 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 4: you know so, I think the Texans would be would 260 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 4: be dumb to not get a deal done with him. 261 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:22,320 Speaker 4: But I'm just using him as a guy. That's not Eckler, 262 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 4: that's not Henry, that's not Jacobs, that's not Saquon. I 263 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:29,080 Speaker 4: didn't give you any of the front the first names 264 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 4: that rattle all the box. I'm just giving you a 265 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 4: guy that's a quality, a quality starter in the in 266 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:38,080 Speaker 4: the NFL and the and the whole thing is I 267 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:39,839 Speaker 4: just give you one. I could give you a half 268 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 4: dozen guys. 269 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 3: Like Zach as another guy asion a. 270 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 4: Half dozen of them, you know. So you know, fortunately, 271 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 4: if it didn't work out with Saquan, before you even 272 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 4: go take one in the draft, there's guys there that 273 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 4: could help Lesson, lessen the hit from him from him 274 00:13:57,240 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 4: going hey. 275 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 3: J Van, score a taste touchdown with hell Men's the 276 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:02,720 Speaker 3: official mayonnaise of the New York Giants, joined by Charlie 277 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:05,560 Speaker 3: Weissier at the NFL Combine. Charlie you mentioned the Giants 278 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:07,839 Speaker 3: haven't need a wide receiver. How do you sort through 279 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 3: the top of this wide receiver class, different flavors in 280 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:12,560 Speaker 3: terms of Harrison and a Dunezia. Then you have the 281 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 3: smaller guy in neighbors. What do you think of those 282 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:16,839 Speaker 3: three guys that obviously you've seen play a bunch of 283 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 3: college football this year. 284 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 4: Oh, I think the class is loaded and you could 285 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 4: look at I know Brian Dable very well. He had 286 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 4: the room next to mine for a bunch of years 287 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 4: as the receiver coach. So here was the telephone call 288 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 4: to table. Hey Dable, get in here. I mean that 289 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 4: was the telephone call. But I know that when you 290 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 4: got a frontline guy, you take the best guy and 291 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 4: then you do what he does. See too many people 292 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 4: want to do it the opposite way. Squeeze, Let's see 293 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 4: whether he fits. If he's a great player, you figure 294 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 4: out what to do. 295 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 3: With the parcels theory, and well that's what you do 296 00:14:56,760 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 3: as a former offensive guy. Do you prefer the big 297 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 3: guy that maybe has a little less separation or the 298 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 3: smaller guy that is a little bit more explosive he 299 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 3: can separate more? But do you not care? 300 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 4: We won with Dion Branch and Troy Brown, And I mean, 301 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 4: I mean we were with guys that other people didn't 302 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 4: think were that good, but they played great for us. 303 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 4: I mean, give me, give me a good player, and 304 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 4: we'll figure out what to do with them. 305 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 2: All right. I gotta ask you to step back from 306 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 2: the trees just a bit now, at Charlie, because everybody 307 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 2: will always say you skill position. Guys can't do very 308 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 2: much if your offensive line can't protect and can't block. 309 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 2: There are those people who will say the Giants have 310 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 2: to address the offensive line at six and forget about 311 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 2: all these other fancy players. Well, what do you say 312 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 2: to them. 313 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 4: They have to address the offensive line. They don't have 314 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 4: to address the offensive line at six. I mean, would 315 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 4: it be nice if they if they took one of 316 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 4: these front line take alt from Notre Dame. I mean stud, 317 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 4: be a stud tackle for you for a bunch of years, 318 00:15:56,600 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 4: and the other tackle on the other side. Pretty good. 319 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 4: Now you've got two tackles. You already took care of 320 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 4: the tackle position for the next five to ten years. 321 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 4: Would that be Would that be an attribute for the Giants? 322 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 4: You bet you it would. But you know, when you're picking, 323 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 4: you rate these guys based off of not just what 324 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 4: position they play, but you rate them by how good 325 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 4: they are. And if one guy's rated an eight and 326 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 4: another guy's rated at seven five, guess what take D eighty. 327 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 3: As an offensive coach. How much of a concern for 328 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 3: you or worry for you was it to draft the 329 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 3: guy that played left tackle his entire college career and 330 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 3: then in the NFL you wanted to move to the 331 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 3: right side. Is that something that you made a big 332 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 3: deal out of or is that something you think with 333 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 3: the right coaching you can the player can make that 334 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 3: adjustment pretty quickly. 335 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 4: Well, you can't just ask that question on paper. You 336 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 4: have to have watched the kids. 337 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 3: How about got like all for example? 338 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 4: Okay, but you have to have watched them when you 339 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 4: watch them play, and then you talk to his position coach, 340 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:54,880 Speaker 4: not to the head coach, because a lie. Head coaches 341 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 4: all lie, okay, but the position coach and the straint 342 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 4: coach they don't lie, right, So when you asked them 343 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 4: what are their strengths of weaknesses, they're going to tell 344 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:06,520 Speaker 4: you the strands of weaknesses. And some guys can transition 345 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:09,119 Speaker 4: from one side to the other, and some guys can't. 346 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:12,399 Speaker 4: You know. So your job is to figure out whether 347 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:15,439 Speaker 4: or not you know how tough the transition would be, 348 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:17,720 Speaker 4: and whether or not you think it can get it done. 349 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:21,160 Speaker 4: And like I said, you know, very often you can, 350 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 4: but sometimes it just isn't going to work out. 351 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:26,639 Speaker 2: Charlie, you mentioned you were next to Brian Dables' office 352 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:29,200 Speaker 2: for some time they were in New England. What can 353 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 2: you tell us about how Brian has navigated his first 354 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 2: two seasons as head coach of the Giants, a playoff 355 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:37,359 Speaker 2: season and then obviously one that was disappointing. 356 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:44,359 Speaker 4: Well, the biggest mistake he made was winning his first year. Okay, well, 357 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:49,240 Speaker 4: I mean they overachieved the first year and then haven't 358 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:51,439 Speaker 4: been a Giant fan my whole life growing up in 359 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 4: New Jersey. You know, once you won, now they expect 360 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:57,199 Speaker 4: you to be better the next year. Expectations, you know, 361 00:17:57,280 --> 00:17:59,919 Speaker 4: and even though the schedule was ten times harder than 362 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:04,200 Speaker 4: second year than the first year, people don't give you any. 363 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 3: Slack for that, you know. 364 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 4: So, so by winning so much the first year, they overachieved, 365 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:13,640 Speaker 4: the accomplished, they were well ahead of schedule. And then 366 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:19,679 Speaker 4: last last year between the schedule and the quarterback injuries, 367 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 4: you know, it was. It was a step back, for sure, 368 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:28,160 Speaker 4: but it was a step back with with with logic. 369 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 4: You know, there's logical reasons why they step back. So 370 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 4: now year three is going to be a critical year 371 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:39,639 Speaker 4: for for the for Brian and their staff. You just 372 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 4: went through a big transition on your staff. You got 373 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:44,680 Speaker 4: a bunch of new guys, you got new defensive guys, 374 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:48,040 Speaker 4: you got a new special teams coach. Okay, you've transitioned. 375 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 4: You have a lot of transition on your staff. Okay. 376 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:53,160 Speaker 4: But what you do have is you got the same 377 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 4: offensive coordinator okay, and your same same head coach who's 378 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:01,679 Speaker 4: a very very very bright offensive mine. Now, I know 379 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:03,680 Speaker 4: he wants to play that game. I just want to 380 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:06,439 Speaker 4: run the team. But that's a bunch of guarbagause, you 381 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 4: know it. I mean, these coaches you have a forte. 382 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:13,400 Speaker 4: You have to make sure that that forte isn't staying 383 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 4: in your office. It gets even it gets moved to 384 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:22,360 Speaker 4: room to room, so that your ideas and your thought 385 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 4: methodology matriculates through the whole organization. 386 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 3: Giant fans love a Winnard's why they love Citizens named 387 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 3: a twenty twenty two Best Bank in the US by 388 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 3: the banker as the official bank of the Giants and 389 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:34,200 Speaker 3: sponsor of the huddle. 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How do these 399 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:06,160 Speaker 3: conversations work that are happening now as the defensive coordinator 400 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:08,359 Speaker 3: talks to personnel people about the type of players that 401 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 3: he wants, the type of schemes they want to run, 402 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 3: and then how quickly can this defense get revved up 403 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 3: and playing where it needs to as it kind of 404 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:18,159 Speaker 3: gets taught for the first time in the building. 405 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:21,679 Speaker 4: Well, start off, he came from Mike Rabel, one of 406 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:24,919 Speaker 4: my favorites of all time. You know, so you know 407 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 4: about his toughness and you know about you know, Rabel's meticulous, 408 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:33,360 Speaker 4: So therefore I'm sure I'm sure you're going to get 409 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:36,160 Speaker 4: a lot of the same thing, tough guys that are meticulous, 410 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:42,360 Speaker 4: and you lose a high profile defensive coordinator. But I 411 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 4: guarantee you half the players are happy he's there, and 412 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:49,360 Speaker 4: half the players are happy he's gone. You know, it's 413 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:52,120 Speaker 4: just the way players are. But when a new guy 414 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 4: comes in, everyone's in love with the new guys. You 415 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:56,680 Speaker 4: walk in the door. 416 00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:59,919 Speaker 3: Everyone's in love with him. And you know how that goes. 417 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:03,359 Speaker 4: As the year goes on, people are gonna, hey, this 418 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:06,160 Speaker 4: is really good for me, and you're and brother, guys, Ah, 419 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:07,120 Speaker 4: this isn't working out. 420 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:08,640 Speaker 3: I wish we were still here. 421 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 4: It's just the nature of players. That's the way it is. 422 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:14,199 Speaker 4: But I do know he comes from Brabel, and I 423 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:16,919 Speaker 4: shouldn't have to tell you anything else, because if you 424 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 4: know Mike Ragel like I do, both as a player 425 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:22,439 Speaker 4: as a coach. I mean, I got nothing but praise 426 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:24,760 Speaker 4: to say about Mike Brabel, and I would think that 427 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 4: you should expect that same toughness and meticulous nature on 428 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:32,399 Speaker 4: defense to be brought to well, they don't even call 429 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:34,199 Speaker 4: it the meadow lands anymore. What do they call it? 430 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:35,639 Speaker 3: Stadium? 431 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:40,159 Speaker 1: Come on, come, crowd, sponsor of the New York Giants 432 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:44,200 Speaker 1: Stadium when it come to Giants Stadium, because we all 433 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:46,679 Speaker 1: know it's still Giants Stadium, they can call it whatever 434 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:47,160 Speaker 1: they want. 435 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:51,199 Speaker 2: So, Charlie, it sounds to me from all that you 436 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:53,159 Speaker 2: have just said over the last twenty minutes or so 437 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 2: that we've been here, that you don't maybe think the 438 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:59,680 Speaker 2: Giants are is far away from being back to a 439 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:02,399 Speaker 2: player off sniffing team, as maybe some other people do, 440 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:04,399 Speaker 2: because you yourself said there were a lot of reasons 441 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:06,680 Speaker 2: why last year happened the way it did well. 442 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 4: Plus to bump into salary cap really helped every organization, 443 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 4: but it certainly helped the Giants because now all of 444 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 4: a sudden, the salary cap is thirty million higher than 445 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:18,120 Speaker 4: you were expecting it to be. You know, you thought, 446 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,640 Speaker 4: well maybe it'd be maybe it'd be two twenty five, 447 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:24,119 Speaker 4: that would be great. Well it's two fifty five, I mean, askedra. 448 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 4: Thirty million dollars gives you some some room to wiggle now, 449 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 4: and wiggle room is what this leg's all about. You 450 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 4: got to figure out within that cap what you know, 451 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:35,479 Speaker 4: what can we do, how can we how can we 452 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:39,439 Speaker 4: solve this problem? It's problem solving. Yeah, it's personnel problem 453 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:42,360 Speaker 4: solving and that's why that's why Joe Shane gets paid 454 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 4: the big money. 455 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:45,119 Speaker 3: My final question, we talked a lot about the draft 456 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 3: free agency wise, do you think the Giants need to 457 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:50,879 Speaker 3: focus in on the interior of that offensive line? That 458 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:54,640 Speaker 3: guard spot? Is it trying to fill out the defense 459 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:56,800 Speaker 3: to match what Shane Bowen wants? What do you think 460 00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 3: their focus should be in free agency. 461 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:05,400 Speaker 4: Of fighting guys that can fit your financial situation, finding 462 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:09,200 Speaker 4: good guys that are team guys that can fit regardless 463 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:11,359 Speaker 4: of how much you spend or how little you spend. 464 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 4: Find guys that fit what you do. So you know, 465 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,439 Speaker 4: you if you have needs inside an interior off you 466 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 4: have needs both inside and outside on the offensive line. 467 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 4: But I'm like, Okay, if we get this guy, what 468 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,679 Speaker 4: what what does that happen with the rest of them? 469 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,439 Speaker 4: Because one of the things that I've talked about often 470 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:35,440 Speaker 4: since I've been out of coaching is people undervalue chemistry, 471 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 4: and especially on the offensive line. I mean, because that's 472 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:44,199 Speaker 4: a fun that's a five man group plus all their backups, 473 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 4: that's five guys playing as one. And I think chemistry, 474 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 4: you know, is important. So when you bring guys in. 475 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:54,159 Speaker 4: How are we going to piecemeal this all together to 476 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 4: make this work so that we could be better real quick? 477 00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:59,479 Speaker 2: Before you go, Charlie Evan Niel at right jackle We 478 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:02,399 Speaker 2: talked about offensive line before, but a lot of people 479 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:04,399 Speaker 2: are saying, well, maybe he should move to guard. Joe 480 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,160 Speaker 2: Shane says, we still think he's a tackle, but that 481 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 2: impacts what you're going to acquire, whether it's free agency 482 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 2: or draft. Whether or not you think that Neil will 483 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 2: be the answer at right. 484 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:17,639 Speaker 4: Tackle, well, I think if you draft a tackle, you 485 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 4: know what the answer is. 486 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:19,920 Speaker 3: I tell you a lot. 487 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:23,560 Speaker 4: So you can't find tackles you can find in teer you, guys, 488 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 4: you can't find tackles. So until you get him replaced 489 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 4: to tackle, he can't be a guard. I also personally 490 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:34,200 Speaker 4: think he better suited at guard than tackle. What well, No, 491 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 4: I just think without me going into technicalities because I'll 492 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:42,399 Speaker 4: let the Giant organization answer, because I'm not speaking for 493 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:46,480 Speaker 4: the Giants. I just think he struggled mightily at tackle, 494 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,119 Speaker 4: and I think he's got a lot of athleticism and 495 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:51,479 Speaker 4: came from a program that used to win in and 496 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:53,919 Speaker 4: he played very well when he was in college. So 497 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 4: you don't throw a guy like that away, right, I mean, 498 00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 4: so what do you do? Well, if he can't get 499 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 4: that done, you either let them go or move them 500 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 4: somewhere where you can thrive. And I think that I 501 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,400 Speaker 4: think that there'd be a lot less pressure on them 502 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 4: if you played inside, because you get a lot more 503 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 4: help as an interior offensive lineman. You get a lot 504 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:15,920 Speaker 4: you got help from your inside and you've got help 505 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 4: from your outside. 506 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:17,360 Speaker 3: And less space too. 507 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,359 Speaker 4: Okay, Well, when you're on tackle, you're on your own. 508 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:21,920 Speaker 4: You are on the edge. 509 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:23,879 Speaker 3: It's you and the nobody out there. 510 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 4: And sometimes you got some tight end that doesn't want 511 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:28,639 Speaker 4: to chip block, or you got some running back that 512 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 4: won't they won't cut block. I mean, so a lot 513 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,720 Speaker 4: of times it's you again, it's you, one on one 514 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 4: versus these guys that they're paying a lot of money 515 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,359 Speaker 4: on the edge to come off the edge right there, 516 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 4: So you know it'll be interesting. But I think that, 517 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 4: let's face it, there's a lot of holes that need 518 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 4: to be filled. I think that the first answers you 519 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:50,240 Speaker 4: got to figure out what are you going to do? 520 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:53,399 Speaker 4: You got it? You got two top flight guys that 521 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:55,960 Speaker 4: are both you got to answer what's going to happen 522 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,239 Speaker 4: with Barkley and McKinney, because I think that there are 523 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:01,439 Speaker 4: two studs, two of the best of what they do 524 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 4: in the league, and once you once they're either there 525 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 4: or not there, you'll know how much cap room you 526 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 4: have left to do other deals. But you better start 527 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 4: with your own guys, because I always believe you better 528 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:16,720 Speaker 4: figure out your own guys first, what you're going to 529 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:18,600 Speaker 4: do with your own guys before you worry about what 530 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:19,680 Speaker 4: you're doing with the other guys. 531 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 3: Charlie, thank you so much for doing this, Arlie. Before 532 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:24,679 Speaker 3: we say goodbye, tell the folks where they can find you. 533 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:25,960 Speaker 3: And then he takes you want to let the folks 534 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 3: know about what. 535 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:29,880 Speaker 4: You I'm with, But your Bob Papa here you go. Okay, 536 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 4: Monday through Friday, ten am Eastern Time on NFL Serious 537 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,639 Speaker 4: NFL right now, airing it out correct, well, airing it 538 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:39,960 Speaker 4: out is the name only because we used to be 539 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:43,719 Speaker 4: the opening drive, but they moved us to the second slot, 540 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:47,199 Speaker 4: so we're airing it. We're airing it out with and 541 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 4: it's usually me and Bob when he's not doing the 542 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:54,199 Speaker 4: Giants or doing PGA Senior golf. When he graces me 543 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 4: with his presence, but Monday through Friday from ten to noon, 544 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 4: and usually we're not big on taking phone calls because 545 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:05,399 Speaker 4: usually between the two of us we got enough stuff 546 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 4: to talk about. 547 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,800 Speaker 3: For sure. Well, I'm gonna talk to Lexi when Bob's 548 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 3: out there and Masure. We get Lance in there with 549 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:11,640 Speaker 3: you as much as we possibly can. 550 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:18,199 Speaker 4: No, no, no, don't do that, Dot, You don't. You 551 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,359 Speaker 4: don't have to do that. I know that you guys 552 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,880 Speaker 4: would rather have him over here, so you know, I'll 553 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 4: just I'll just, I'll just I like to wallow away 554 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 4: in anonymity now that I'm not you know, no one 555 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:31,320 Speaker 4: wants me to coach. 556 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 2: You're throwing a flag on you for unnecessary rough Super 557 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,119 Speaker 2: Bowl Champion Charlie Weiss, thank you for joining us in 558 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,399 Speaker 2: the Giants Little Podcast, brought to you by Citizens Official 559 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 2: Bank of the Giants. 560 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 3: We'll see you next time.