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Speaker 1: And we're back with another episode of Cutting the Distance podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Dirk Durham and my co host Jason Phelps. Hey,

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Speaker 1: we're in beautiful Idaho bear hunting and you know when

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Speaker 1: we get together, we like to talk to turkey. Well,

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Speaker 1: we're talking bears, I guess.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, we just went from turkey camp

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Speaker 2: to Idaho bear camp.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah.

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Speaker 2: Dirk's leading this episode. But I'm gonna bring up a

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Speaker 2: point that it's been bothering me all day.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's hear it.

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Speaker 2: So we're close to the Washington border, and Dirk has

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Speaker 2: a nickname for us Washington folks that come over to

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Speaker 2: Idaho and invade there for us, and I'm just curious.

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Speaker 2: Let us know, his nickname for us is apple maggot.

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Speaker 1: Wait, wait, pump the brakes. It's not necessarily a my nickname.

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Speaker 2: I didn't.

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Speaker 1: I didn't coin the phrase. That's just a common term

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Speaker 1: among Idaho natives who are resentful of some of the

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Speaker 1: folks from Washington. And I kind of like to stick

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Speaker 1: a stick a knife in your ribs with it every

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Speaker 1: now and then, just to be funny, because because I

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Speaker 1: know it's a I can get some debate out of you.

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Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, it's it's all good. I just I wanted

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Speaker 2: to where you know, it was hard working Washingtonians here

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Speaker 2: spending our money to keep Idah's fishing game rolling, and

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Speaker 2: we get rewarded with being called apple maggot. So I

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Speaker 2: just it really hurt my feelings that they can wanted

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Speaker 2: to bring that up. No, I'm just kidding. I even

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Speaker 2: found it up here. We were hunting somewhere. There's a

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Speaker 2: rock that's painted go back to Washington. They see, We've

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Speaker 2: seen that. So that was that was a nice little touch.

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Speaker 1: It's a real thing. There's the Donata is a restless here.

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Speaker 1: They do not they're not appreciative of There's some you know,

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Speaker 1: there's some bad actors in every group, right, some of

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Speaker 1: your brothers from your must have made some people mad.

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Speaker 1: I guess if you will.

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Speaker 2: Oh, it's a right. Sorry, I hijacked your episode the whole,

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Speaker 2: in the whole intro, I just had to get that

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Speaker 2: off my chest. That was really been eating at me

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Speaker 2: all day.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's fine, that's good. I like it. I'm about

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Speaker 1: to sneeze, so I hope I can hold it together here.

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Speaker 1: But today we want to talk about what's in our packs.

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Speaker 1: A pack dump, if you will. So we get this

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Speaker 1: question a lot what's in your packs? And I've I've

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Speaker 1: get you know, it seems like it's on people's minds

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Speaker 1: a lot, and everything from just the little nitty gritty

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Speaker 1: details to like food and everything else. And you know,

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Speaker 1: we kind of take it for granted sometimes that will shoot.

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Speaker 1: Everybody knows what goes in the pack, but I think

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Speaker 1: everybody's a little bit different. And I've listened to other

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Speaker 1: people's pack dumps and it's like, huh, that's interesting. So

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Speaker 1: we thought we talked about ours tonight. Anyway, I think

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Speaker 1: we kind of kick things off with day packs. I

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Speaker 1: do a lot of day hunting tripping. That's where you

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Speaker 1: hunt from a base camp. You throw all your gear

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Speaker 1: in your pack that you think you're gonna need for

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Speaker 1: the day. And I want to be I want to

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Speaker 1: be self sufficient that way, whenever I go off chasing

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Speaker 1: bugles somewhere, I have enough gear to get me through

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Speaker 1: the day and possibly all night. So I want to

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Speaker 1: have all the all the little things. So we'll kind

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Speaker 1: of go into it here. That way, I have a good,

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Speaker 1: safe day in a comfortable trip. One of the first things,

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Speaker 1: first and foremost in my mind, in my in my

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Speaker 1: pack is my kill kit, right which everybody has a

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Speaker 1: little bit of different opinion on. I've got four different

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Speaker 1: things in mind most of the time. Sometimes there's a

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Speaker 1: little bit more, but most of the time it's the

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Speaker 1: same stuff. A sharp fixed blade knife, as much as

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Speaker 1: I love those like havelons or outdoor edge the replaceable

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Speaker 1: blades which a lot of times and I didn't put

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Speaker 1: this on here, but I usually have one of those

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Speaker 1: in there too for cutting around the skull. But that

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Speaker 1: heavy duty, sharp fixed blade knife that's gonna get you

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Speaker 1: through that elk, you know you're gonna be if you

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Speaker 1: want to cut the skull off, if you want to

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Speaker 1: snap one of those replaceable blade knives. Do what do

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Speaker 2: So I went I went through the cycle right of

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Speaker 2: replaceable blades, which were awesome there and they were sharper.

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Speaker 2: Then you could get the the other ones. And then

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Speaker 2: now the last ten years, I've went back to just

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Speaker 2: a good solid, you know, drop point fixed blade with

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Speaker 2: a very dirty handle, and I just found I can

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Speaker 2: work faster. I only need if you know, if that

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Speaker 2: you're ready to go on elk number two. See, I'm

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Speaker 2: a fixed blade guy, know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And that was one of my second things.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned, the sharpener to sharpen your knife. I keep

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Speaker 1: it'll stay sharper longer.

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Speaker 1: But you know, those are replaceable blades. As awesome as

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Speaker 1: they are. That you got pretty trendy when those things

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Speaker 1: kind of came out to post the picture of your

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Speaker 1: finger that you almost cut off. Yeah, during hunting season,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I have them. I have have ones that I keep,

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Speaker 2: and I've got actually the scalpel blade with the scalpel

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Speaker 2: handles now, but I usually keep those back at camp.

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Speaker 2: They're like in my camp tote. If I got to

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Speaker 2: get back and work on a head or kape the

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Speaker 2: reserved those for working in intricate places and mess them

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, because a lot of times, like after

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Speaker 1: that back account. But if you're gonna do it like

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Speaker 1: nice to have one of those have laws to do that,

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Speaker 1: because man, all you want to do is sharpen your knife.

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Speaker 1: Stirs sharpening your knife again. At that point, you're like

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And with CWD kind of sweeping across the country

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Speaker 2: skull plate. You know, when I grew up, everything was

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Speaker 2: on a plaque. If you wanted to keep it now,

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Speaker 2: I would say ninety percent animals we bring home come

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Speaker 2: and and the scalpel you know from their parent company

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Speaker 2: in the ice sockets. I can get ninety nine percent

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Speaker 2: just makes that whole process of getting these things, you know,

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Speaker 2: So I don't get a ticket for you know, transporting

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Speaker 2: the head you know, across, just get them really cleaned up.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And a little and one more little takeaway

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Speaker 1: from cutting your hiding and meat off your skull. If

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Speaker 1: the woods. It it's it's quite a bit of a

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Speaker 1: wait once you separate the jaw bone and the you know,

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Speaker 1: definitely another thing's paracrd para cord, fifty feet of para cord.

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Speaker 1: Now I know for a fact Jason Phelps does not

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Speaker 1: carry a para cord because he always has to borrow mine.

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Speaker 2: Because Dirk has I agree, it's I think smarter and

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Speaker 2: not work harder. So you got to carry that half

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Speaker 1: On half a pound. It's just a few ounces minimum. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: para cord is so handy. I've killed a couple of

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Speaker 1: that pair of cord to hang it. I mean you

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Speaker 1: can you can make kind of a wigwam type set

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Speaker 1: cool and just get it off the ground. But a

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Speaker 1: lot of times you'll poke a hole in your bag

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Speaker 1: sharp stobs. So it's nice to to tie your quarter

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Speaker 1: up into a tree. Now, some people will make a

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Speaker 1: you a tire right to the tree guy?

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Speaker 2: One time we've ever made a meat poles when we

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Speaker 2: we can. But you know, we found leaning logs that

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Speaker 2: is always a chance of getting a predator on it

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Speaker 2: if it's too low, you know, a bear typically or

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Speaker 2: a black bear. But in grizzly country we typically go

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Speaker 2: higher and build a meat pole, but very rarely do

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Speaker 2: we do it usually. You know, I've been fortunate as

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Speaker 2: of late, we've had enough people around. We usually you know,

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Speaker 2: three or four guys we can typically one trip that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's awesome. And you don't have to have

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's a lot of awesome, awesome tip. And first

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Speaker 1: those wimpy, wimpy wimpy, the hefty bags, but the wimpy ones.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, even even when we're breaking the animal down, Like,

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's awesome. Some miscellaneous stuff. I like to keep

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if you happen to lose your your carrying case

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Speaker 1: Or if you have a hard hike out then a

432
00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:36,840
Speaker 1: lot of times I'll pull my hat off from tid

433
00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:39,880
Speaker 1: to wipe the sweat off my head, and you're pull

434
00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:43,159
Speaker 1: constantly messing with your light then, so yeah, it's good

435
00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:47,120
Speaker 1: to have it underneath there matches, and then some kind

436
00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:51,119
Speaker 1: of a fire start, like a fire accelerant. I like

437
00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:55,160
Speaker 1: the trioxane fire starter bars. Yep, those things are awesome.

438
00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:57,199
Speaker 1: Those save my bacon that night that I didn't have

439
00:19:57,240 --> 00:19:59,920
Speaker 1: a light. It rained all night, snowed, and I have

440
00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:02,720
Speaker 1: some of those triox and everything was soaking wet, but

441
00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:07,720
Speaker 1: those things they got a fire going and it was amazing. Yeah,

442
00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:11,240
Speaker 1: and there's lots of different ones. These are like military

443
00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:12,639
Speaker 1: surplus grade stuff.

444
00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:15,159
Speaker 2: Probably to heat your MRIs up is what they're originally

445
00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:15,679
Speaker 2: designed for.

446
00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:18,040
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I don't think you want to breathe the dust.

447
00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:19,560
Speaker 2: No, you don't really want to touch the dust. You

448
00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:21,240
Speaker 2: don't want to breathe it later. You don't want to

449
00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:23,760
Speaker 2: like get at the blow around. But yeah, it will

450
00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:26,200
Speaker 2: light instantly white or dry.

451
00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:31,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's amazing first aid kit. Now this doesn't have

452
00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:34,600
Speaker 1: ibuprofen in band aids, Barbie band aids for your booboos.

453
00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:37,800
Speaker 1: This you want to have some serious stuff. You want

454
00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:41,640
Speaker 1: to have some good bandages and some stuff to wrap

455
00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:46,879
Speaker 1: the bandages with. You want to have a tourniquet that

456
00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:50,679
Speaker 1: could be a complete entire podcast in itself, which we

457
00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:54,000
Speaker 1: should do one of these days. But you want a

458
00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:57,600
Speaker 1: very capable first aid kit and you want it readily available.

459
00:20:57,640 --> 00:20:59,000
Speaker 1: You don't want it in the bottom of your pack.

460
00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:02,160
Speaker 1: You want that thing, right, maybe even having it attachment

461
00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:05,160
Speaker 1: a bag on the outside of your pack. Because let's

462
00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:08,360
Speaker 1: say if you ram your your fixed blade knife through

463
00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:11,520
Speaker 1: your your thigh, well you're gonna have to stop the

464
00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:14,080
Speaker 1: bleeding with one hand and your other hand's gonna try

465
00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:16,560
Speaker 1: to have to get your turning it out. So if

466
00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:18,040
Speaker 1: it's in the bottom of your pack. You're gonna really

467
00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:21,760
Speaker 1: struggle and maybe even bleed out. So have that thing easily.

468
00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:23,840
Speaker 1: Let your partners know where it's at. That way, if

469
00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:26,360
Speaker 1: there's a problem and you're incoherent, they'll know right where

470
00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:28,760
Speaker 1: to go in case they don't have one.

471
00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:31,919
Speaker 2: I probably shouldn't talk about first aid kits.

472
00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:35,399
Speaker 1: You don't even have one, So it's like the pair

473
00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:35,800
Speaker 1: of cord.

474
00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:39,040
Speaker 2: My first aid kit is a zip bloc baggy. It's

475
00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:42,800
Speaker 2: got like two vico in in it from thirteen years

476
00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:45,120
Speaker 2: ago to kill some pain. It's got some duct tape

477
00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:46,840
Speaker 2: in it so I can close any wounds that I

478
00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:50,000
Speaker 2: need to and U that's about it. That's it, and

479
00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:51,720
Speaker 2: so might be profion and titland all that I can.

480
00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:55,800
Speaker 2: That's about my skills. And I'm like, I know accidents happen,

481
00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:57,840
Speaker 2: but I tried to be like very cautious. I don't,

482
00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:01,760
Speaker 2: you know, like go into the crazy exposure and you know,

483
00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:04,760
Speaker 2: broken arms, broken legs. I try to keep everything very controlled,

484
00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:08,080
Speaker 2: you know, when we're breaking down an animal, like very

485
00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:10,119
Speaker 2: cautious with the knife and where it's going and if

486
00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:12,239
Speaker 2: I make this cut, and so I try to overthink it.

487
00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:15,160
Speaker 2: But I know accidents still happen. So I am taking risks,

488
00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:17,439
Speaker 2: and I don't advise that anyone does what I what

489
00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:20,480
Speaker 2: I do, but you know, I feel I feel like

490
00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:23,400
Speaker 2: my level of first aid capabilities, like I can fix

491
00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:25,919
Speaker 2: everything with a band aid and a vico in and

492
00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:29,560
Speaker 2: then this isn't a good option, but anything that's life threatening,

493
00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:32,240
Speaker 2: like even if you were putting a tourniquin on, I'm

494
00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:34,720
Speaker 2: still you may be able to prolong it, but like

495
00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:38,280
Speaker 2: I'm still hitting the the SOS button on my garment

496
00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:40,639
Speaker 2: at that point. You know, it's like that's my my

497
00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:42,959
Speaker 2: but it may not be fast enough. You may need

498
00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,000
Speaker 2: to be able to stop it in a different way. So, right,

499
00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:49,440
Speaker 2: not great advice. Do not follow my my my recommendations

500
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:50,320
Speaker 2: for first aid kids.

501
00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:54,800
Speaker 1: I would definitely not follow that recommendation. Phelps You're better

502
00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:56,560
Speaker 1: than that. You need you need to take a first

503
00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:57,240
Speaker 1: aid class.

504
00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:01,560
Speaker 2: I'm first Aid and CPR, sort to fight concussion certified

505
00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:02,399
Speaker 2: and cardiac or.

506
00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:04,120
Speaker 1: Is that the kit that they issued you?

507
00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:06,440
Speaker 2: Well, they tell nowadays you have to have like all

508
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:09,240
Speaker 2: these you have to have all these certifications to coach basketball,

509
00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:12,159
Speaker 2: and so it's like I just yeah, but no, I

510
00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:15,479
Speaker 2: should do better. But that's that's where I'm at right

511
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:16,160
Speaker 2: now in my life.

512
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:20,760
Speaker 1: All Right. Something else Luco tape that's for your blisters

513
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:24,960
Speaker 1: and for taping bandages and works great for just about anything.

514
00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:30,880
Speaker 2: Awesome I keep mine. There's a little my pack has

515
00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:34,119
Speaker 2: this little like bag that's made for extra buckles and

516
00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:35,960
Speaker 2: stuff that SIT's actually above your bladder, so you can

517
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,639
Speaker 2: always get to it very easily. And my lecotapes in there.

518
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:40,600
Speaker 2: Because what I found is I'm too lazy if it's

519
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:42,040
Speaker 2: in the bottom of my bag or I don't know

520
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:44,080
Speaker 2: where it's at, or I gotta So it's like very

521
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,760
Speaker 2: easy to get to and you need not to. It's

522
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:48,840
Speaker 2: in our bag, but as soon as you feel hotspot,

523
00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,360
Speaker 2: you need to stop at that exact moment and take

524
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:53,440
Speaker 2: care of that. And so it needs to be easy

525
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:55,240
Speaker 2: to get too. And it's it's a life savior. It

526
00:23:55,280 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 2: can be used to fix your feet, fix you know whatever,

527
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:03,800
Speaker 2: you know, cover wounds, it's very sticky, repair coats, you know,

528
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 2: puffy coats, get ripped. It does all kinds of great stuff.

529
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:09,400
Speaker 2: Repair a mountain goat horn when it breaks off after

530
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 2: a fall. It does all kinds of good stuff.

531
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:16,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, stairy pin or some kind of a water purifier

532
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:19,520
Speaker 1: if you don't want to carry a lot of water

533
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:21,240
Speaker 1: with you. I can usually carry like a three letter

534
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:25,240
Speaker 1: three liter bladder, but there's sometimes where I think I

535
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:27,440
Speaker 1: may run out of water, so I'll throw the stery

536
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:30,320
Speaker 1: pin in and I've got a analgene or something. But

537
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 1: some people just have their sawyr water filtered and their thing,

538
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:36,760
Speaker 1: and they'll dip out of every little creek they come to,

539
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:40,639
Speaker 1: and whether they're day tripping or multi day hunting or not.

540
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:43,840
Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm a I'm a sorry squeeze guy. I

541
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 2: love that because I'm very impatient. And if we're honeting elk,

542
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:48,120
Speaker 2: I want to be honeing elk. And so if we're

543
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,960
Speaker 2: crossing the creek, we'll dip our dirty bags real quick,

544
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,040
Speaker 2: throw it in and we're gone, Like I'll filter it later.

545
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:56,280
Speaker 2: So I'm a you know, multiple bags, like I might

546
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 2: have some little one leaders, might have some three leaders,

547
00:24:57,960 --> 00:24:59,360
Speaker 2: and we'll just throw it in the top of her bag,

548
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:02,680
Speaker 2: carry the extra and then filter at a later point.

549
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 2: I hate strypin. If I know I'm in country with

550
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 2: flowing water like Washington or somewhere you know it's got

551
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:11,760
Speaker 2: good flowing water, I'll bring a stereypin. But if I've

552
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:13,960
Speaker 2: got to start getting in the puddles and stuff, the

553
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:15,960
Speaker 2: stery pin doesn't me know good because I can't stand

554
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:19,880
Speaker 2: to look at the dirty buggy water and then deal

555
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:20,159
Speaker 2: with it.

556
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't want a stereopin in New Mexico.

557
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 2: No, you want to go filter. And so it's I

558
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 2: use I've got them both. I've even got an old

559
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 2: Catadye pump filter, you know, worst case, I've got multiple options,

560
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:33,920
Speaker 2: but I tend to go at the sawyer squeeze most time.

561
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:39,200
Speaker 1: Okay, So then trekking poles. I made fun of trekking

562
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 1: poles forever, like who's this hippie in their trekking poles?

563
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 1: And then I actually use some. I'm like, it will

564
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 1: change my life.

565
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:47,720
Speaker 2: Man.

566
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 1: You can be on some gnarly steep, rugged stuff and

567
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:52,320
Speaker 1: it just gives you that extra little bit of contact

568
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 1: with the ground and maybe keep you from slipping and sliding.

569
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 1: And I killed a bowl elk one time. If I

570
00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,119
Speaker 1: wouldn't have had trekking poles, it was so snow it

571
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 1: was snowy, and I if I wouldn't have trekking poles,

572
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 1: I could have never made it down the hill because

573
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 1: every time I take a step, I just started sliding,

574
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:08,920
Speaker 1: free sliding, but I could I could sink those trekking

575
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,120
Speaker 1: poles in step by step and work my way down

576
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 1: and got down in there and killed this big bowl.

577
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 1: So definitely a believer in those things. I've always got

578
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 1: a rain jacket with me. It may look beautiful and

579
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 1: blue outside when you leave camp, but I don't know

580
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,360
Speaker 1: how many times i've I've left and within an hour

581
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:34,160
Speaker 1: or two things cloud up, especially like spring, bear Hunt

582
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 1: and Wyoming. It can be a beautiful day and within

583
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:40,360
Speaker 1: a couple hours, within the hour, big clouds will roll

584
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 1: in and you're getting rained on. So that kind of

585
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 1: stuff will save your life. And with that, I'll also

586
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:49,439
Speaker 1: have a puffy jacket. That way, you know, if it

587
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 1: gets cold, I can keep that puffy jacket on, I

588
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:55,400
Speaker 1: can put my raincoat over it. I'm gonna be I'm

589
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 1: gonna be good. I don't want to get hypothermia. Yep. Last,

590
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:03,400
Speaker 1: but not least, in the miscellaneous is the many in reach.

591
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 1: Many these things are great. It's a it's a good

592
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 1: it's like a safety safety harness or a safety rope,

593
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:14,400
Speaker 1: if you will. And also it's nice to be able

594
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 1: to keep in touch with with home. Let's say you're

595
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:19,399
Speaker 1: gone multiple days from home. It's it's nice to be

596
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 1: able to keep keep in touch with your family and

597
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,680
Speaker 1: let them know you're safe and find out how things

598
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 1: are going there, and and just it just gives you

599
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 1: that little peace of mind. And sometimes that's the extra

600
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 1: little thing you need to have, that staying power. It's like, Okay,

601
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 1: everybody's fine at home. I checked in. I don't I

602
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 1: don't feel bad for being gone or whatever. It's it'll

603
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 1: keep you in the field longer and make you feel

604
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 1: a little safer too, for sure. All right, food, what

605
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:48,880
Speaker 1: are you eating? What are you eating? Like snickers? Are

606
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,200
Speaker 1: you packing sandwiches? What do you what do you got

607
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 1: for food?

608
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 2: It just depends on I'm so all over the place

609
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 2: with what I'm eating on any given certain years.

610
00:27:56,640 --> 00:28:00,119
Speaker 1: So okay, let me ask this, how do you start

611
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,919
Speaker 1: your day with? What? What do you start your day with?

612
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 2: So start my day like when I wake up with

613
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 2: food and drink in the mountain, like at home or

614
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 2: in the mountains day trip, day trip, I'm probably not

615
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 2: gonna eat anything right off the bat. I don't like

616
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:14,680
Speaker 2: to start on on any food, so I won't eat

617
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:16,640
Speaker 2: anything in the morning. I did, you know, I live

618
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 2: my life like that anyways, as you don't try to

619
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 2: eat until ten or eleven. So I usually not eat

620
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 2: anything in the morning, which is easy for me, and

621
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,880
Speaker 2: then I'll go into In the last couple of years

622
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 2: i've been doing it, you know, more of that keto

623
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 2: carnivore type stuff. It's tough. It's a very tough diet,

624
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 2: but you can when you're burning so much energy, like

625
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 2: I will throw more carbs and so it might be

626
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 2: like peanut m and m's, you know something that's that way.

627
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 2: I love sour patch kids, but those are probably the

628
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 2: worst thing for me as I'm as I'm hiking around,

629
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 2: you know, blood sugars up and down and all over

630
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 2: the place. So I try to eat like nuts, you know,

631
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 2: mixed nuts, salty mixed nuts, because you need to have

632
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 2: you know, the world's trained your salts bad, like salts

633
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 2: great while you're up there high in around the mountains.

634
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 2: You know, pepperoni sticks, lawn dieger you know, like air

635
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 2: dried meats. You know, hard cheeses, parmesan cheese. You know,

636
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 2: whether it's like you know, nut butters on a on

637
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 2: a whole wheat bagel, you know, for for lunch. For me,

638
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 2: I I'm not that big into it. So I'll just

639
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 2: literally before I leave the trail head like smashed my

640
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 2: pack of six bagels, right, make it about a third

641
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 2: the size that it just was. Throw that in the pack,

642
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 2: you know, Throw a bunch of individuals serving you know,

643
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 2: nut butters, whether it's like Justin's nut butter, whatever you

644
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 2: can get. You know, I will look at like last year,

645
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 2: I ate a lot of those like fit Crunch protein bars.

646
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 2: I'm like, maybe it's a healthy option compared to a

647
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 2: candy bar. And then at night we we you know,

648
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 2: if if you're back at camp, we try to cook

649
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 2: a warm meal. It's just one of those picked me ups,

650
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 2: you know, burgers or steak or you know whatever. It

651
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 2: may be, something that's a pretty hearty meal and kind

652
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 2: of gets you ready for the next day. You know,

653
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 2: if I'm if I'm spiking out, you know, it's typically

654
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 2: you know, a mountain house or a peak type meal.

655
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 2: But you know, this year, I'm gonna there's there's some

656
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 2: companies that are making some different stuff. I'm gonna try

657
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:06,959
Speaker 2: to try to come up with something I can do

658
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 2: there that's a little a little different, a little more

659
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 2: that keto carnivore style and try to try to stay

660
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 2: a little bit more on pacees. So my energy levels

661
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 2: are you know, are all over the place. But when

662
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 2: I am eating car like, I just shoot. I'll make

663
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 2: this easier rather than say exacts, like I'm shooting for

664
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 2: somewhere around three thousand calories. I've did this enough, I've

665
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 2: been there enough, Like you can go through all these

666
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,719
Speaker 2: different foods. But if I could eat three thousand calories

667
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 2: and mixed nuts and jerky and you know, lown Dieger

668
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 2: and and some hard cheeses like, I'd be fine. So

669
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 2: as long as I'm getting about that three thousand calories,

670
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 2: I can just mix and match however I need to

671
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 2: to get there.

672
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I am. Now do you drink any like supplements

673
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 1: or anything in the morning? Are you a coffee drinker?

674
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 1: What do you drink it? For? Saying?

675
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 2: I love coffee, but I'm also like very lazy. I'd

676
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 2: rather get that extra fifteen minutes to sleep, So I

677
00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 2: usually roll out. And if I'm doing like taking any supplements,

678
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 2: it's usually like I believe it's it's companies called Element,

679
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 2: but it's Element t on the and it's a it's

680
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 2: it's similar to like liquid IV, but I feel it's saltier,

681
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 2: it's maybe a little more healthy. It doesn't have as

682
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 2: much sugar in it. So I'm using a lot of

683
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 2: that element just supplement. I use a lot of that

684
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 2: just in my normal daily you know, the non flavored

685
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,719
Speaker 2: or these other you know, citrus salts or raspberry salts,

686
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 2: what is what they call their flavors. And that's really

687
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 2: the only supplement I go to, you know, in in

688
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 2: the woods to just make sure I got electrolytes way up.

689
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 2: Our good buddy Ryan Lampers, like you know, I love

690
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 2: I love his stuff when I'm at home, his electrolytes.

691
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 2: I believe it's e charge. I believe is what it is.

692
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 2: But I don't I need single serving packets and I

693
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 2: need to check in it maybe has them now. But

694
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 2: at home I take the big scoop. We're out in

695
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 2: the mountains, like there's little element coming pre pre package.

696
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 2: So that's that's kind of really the only supplementation I'm doing.

697
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll start out my morning with like a thirty

698
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 1: two ounce nwjeene full of wilderness athlete. I'll make a

699
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 1: superman if you will that's the energy focus and hydrate

700
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 1: and recover. And I feel like when I do that,

701
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 1: I kind of set a good I put the best

702
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 1: foot forward for the day. I'm getting hydrated, it's got

703
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 1: lots of vitamins, it's got a little bit of caffeine

704
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 1: and give you a little boost that way. Don't need

705
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: my coffee. If I'm kind of a coffee addict. If

706
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 1: I don't have it, I get a headache. So that

707
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 1: kind of gets me through that, the withdrawals and not

708
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 1: having coffee because I'm like you, I'm kind of lazy.

709
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 1: I don't want to get up early and sit around

710
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 1: sipping coffee. So I start out with that. And usually

711
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 1: I don't use a breakfast at camp. Usually it's something

712
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 1: for on the go, you know, of some kind of

713
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 1: a power bar, not a power bar per se, but

714
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 1: some kind of a bar or a I've even packed

715
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 1: boiled eggs before, just you know, for the morning. You know,

716
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 1: get get a few hours into the hunt and you

717
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 1: feel like eating, then I'll eat something. And then for lunchtime,

718
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 1: you know, I'll have like like you say, nuts and

719
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 1: dried fruit and pepperonis and jerky. But a lot of times,

720
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 1: depending on where I'm at a lot of times if

721
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 1: I'm hunting by myself, seems like when I'm hunting with

722
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 1: other people, I don't take this time to do this.

723
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 1: It seems like I don't I feel too selfish to

724
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 1: take the time to do it. But a lot of

725
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 1: times I'll take it. I'll make a bagel sandwich and

726
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:27,479
Speaker 1: it'll have meat and cream, cheese and cheese and a bagel,

727
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 1: and I'll make two of them, one for eating a

728
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 1: lunchtime and one's for when I kill my elk, and

729
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 1: I'll eat that after I kill my elk and I've

730
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 1: recovered it, and I sit there, you know, eating that

731
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 1: settled down, get ready to start doing a bunch of work.

732
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 1: Or if I didn't kill one, I'll eat it for

733
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 1: the hike out, you know. And sometimes it's a long,

734
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 1: ruling hike out. But it's always nice to have a

735
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 1: little bit of something that's that's delicious and nutritious, packs

736
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 1: a little bit of punch tooth. So we talked about

737
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 1: water leads or our water leaders are, or like a

738
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 1: camelback or a water bladder or something I like a

739
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 1: three leter one. Some people don't like those. They like

740
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:15,240
Speaker 1: water bottles, whatever's convenient for you. I don't like stopping

741
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 1: and pulling my pack off and digging around and getting

742
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 1: a water bottle if I'm if I'm hustling to a

743
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 1: bowl and I'm getting caught in mouth and like I've

744
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:23,840
Speaker 1: just hiked a whole bunch, and if i can take it,

745
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,840
Speaker 1: just a couple of little SIPs to refresh my mouth

746
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 1: so I can call again. That's that's worth everything for me.

747
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 1: It's and three leaders is a lot of weight, but

748
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:37,479
Speaker 1: I'll I'll pack that all day, every day. So here's

749
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:41,399
Speaker 1: a question. Do you carry a pistol? And if if

750
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 1: you did, or if you don't. If you do carry

751
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 1: one or did carry one, when would you carry it?

752
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 2: So I carry when I'm in grizzly country. Okay, it's

753
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:55,840
Speaker 2: one a pistol and all depending on how nervous I

754
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 2: am or what area i think I'm going into, whether

755
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 2: it's bear spray and a pistol, But that's really a

756
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 2: grizzly country. I'm not as worried even if I've got

757
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 2: a bow or you know, if I'm rifle hunting or

758
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 2: Muslim or hunting. I'm not worried about black bears as much,

759
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 2: even though I think they still maybe kill more people

760
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 2: or have more attacks on than grizzlies. But grizzly bear

761
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 2: countryes just got to me, you know, has me on

762
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:17,919
Speaker 2: edge a little bit and such. Typically when I will

763
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,760
Speaker 2: pack the pistol and also bear spray.

764
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, me too. A lot of times, I yeah,

765
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 1: I won't pack a pistol at all or bear spray

766
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 1: unless it's bona fide grizzly country. I'm I'm not too

767
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 1: worried about the black bears, not too worried about wolves,

768
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 1: mountain lions a little bit, but still I think they're

769
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 1: more curious than anything. So now I will say it.

770
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 1: That's if I'm hunting with another person. If I'm by myself,

771
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 1: a lot of times, I will carry a pistol just

772
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 1: because if I get injured and I have to sit

773
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 1: out there for a day or two before help arrives

774
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 1: from my enreach message, I want to be able to

775
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 1: fend off predators are going to come along and find

776
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 1: some wounded guy that's covered in blood and ready to eat, right,

777
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 1: So I will carry one if I'm by myself a

778
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 1: lot of times. And it kind of gives you a

779
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 1: little peace of mind too, and you hear start hearing

780
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 1: weird noises, you think, is that Sam's blatch.

781
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna nobody think I'm gonna go wait crazy

782
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 2: on this. I are good, buddy, John Davis. I think

783
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 2: when we were in you know, we were in the

784
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 2: Bob Marshall Deep and you know, he packed a just

785
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 2: a forties semi automatic, you know, not what people would say,

786
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 2: you know, could have issues or whatever. And he said

787
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 2: he packs more for crazy people he might encounter than

788
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 2: the Bears.

789
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:30,800
Speaker 1: You know.

790
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 2: So there's like there that you know, that's another thing, Like,

791
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 2: you know, crazy things happen up in the mountains. People

792
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 2: go to the mountains for weird thing. You know. It's

793
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 2: like he's like, I'm you know, and he's a I

794
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 2: think he's the he's pretty high up in the sheriff department,

795
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 2: thereat of you know, in his area, and it's like,

796
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 2: you know, he's like, I'm more worried of you know,

797
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 2: dealing with you know, whack jobs out there than it

798
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 2: is you know the Bears.

799
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's been several times you're reading the paper or

800
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 1: the news where some person on drugs or some murder

801
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 1: or something then turns up in a national forest somewhere

802
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 1: and causes problems there. So yeah, you never know. You

803
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:10,319
Speaker 1: want to keep a bestel close by so that way

804
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:26,799
Speaker 1: makes you feel a little better out there. Okay, now

805
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 1: let's talk about bivvy bivvy packs. What's in a bivy pack?

806
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 1: So I would I can assume for you and for me,

807
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 1: it's going to be about the same kind of stuff

808
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 1: plus all your sleep systems, cook systems, stuff like that.

809
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 1: How big of a backpack do you normally would you

810
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 1: normally use? Are you going in for like three or

811
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 1: four days at a per trip?

812
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we've went anywhere from three days that

813
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 2: I've been ten days on one one trip, like ten

814
00:37:57,680 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 2: days of zip blog bags with a food like it

815
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 2: loaded up. I don't plan on coming out unless I

816
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 2: absolutely have to or it's just not as good as

817
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 2: it was at a different time. Yeah, everything stays exactly

818
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 2: the same. Besides the number of bags of you know,

819
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 2: the one gallons of bluck bags is how I set

820
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 2: my days of food up. And then I'm adding a

821
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 2: sleep path, I'm adding a shelter, and I'm adding a

822
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:25,919
Speaker 2: my ground pad, sleeping bag, shelter, something to cook with, yeah,

823
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 2: I mean jet boil As I mentioned earlier, it depends

824
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 2: on what kind of crazy year I'm doing. Enough, I

825
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 2: need to warm up water. It is nice to have

826
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 2: a pick me up, you know here there. You know,

827
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 2: it just depends. But yeah, I carry an MSR reactor. Now.

828
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 2: You know, everybody calls the style jet boil, and that's

829
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,320
Speaker 2: where we all kind of started. But those MSR reactors

830
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 2: seem to be a little bit faster, a little more efficient,

831
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:50,799
Speaker 2: and can really just kind of get cranking. So yeah,

832
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 2: for tents, it just depends. I've got I've got a

833
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 2: Cafaro saw tooth, which is more of a teepee style

834
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:01,720
Speaker 2: with like a titanium stove. I've got to seek outside

835
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 2: that uses cuban fiber that weighs under two pounds, with

836
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:09,759
Speaker 2: a center carbon fiber pole that sleeps four people. I've

837
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:13,799
Speaker 2: got a single man big agonies. I've got a three

838
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 2: man Hilleberg. So it really just depends on weather, wetness,

839
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 2: you know, cold, who's all going you know, how much

840
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 2: vegetable space, and so I try to make my decision

841
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 2: based on that shelter. I have a Marmot fifteen degree

842
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 2: helium and now I've got I've got a new stone

843
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:35,280
Speaker 2: Glacier fifteen degree down. I typically just grab that Stone Glacier.

844
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 2: It's a little warmer now, you know, the Marmot's fifteen

845
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 2: years old, that Stone Glacier's brand new. They both kind

846
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 2: of meet that Ean rating and those for those that

847
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:45,319
Speaker 2: don't know, it's a rating that actually it's not just

848
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 2: that you're going to survive. So I don't want a

849
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 2: sleeping bag that says I'm going to be comfortable or

850
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 2: that I'm going to survive at fifteen. I want to

851
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 2: sleep in big rating. This is I'm gonna be comfortable.

852
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 2: So both those are ian rated to fifteen degrees. It

853
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 2: means if it's fifteen degrees, I'm still very warm and

854
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 2: I'm not waking up freezing death versus some people's fifteen

855
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 2: degrees means you can survive there and you're colder than

856
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 2: heck at thirty. So those are two sleeping bags all grab.

857
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 2: I do have a KAfari sleeping bag, but that's typically

858
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:13,720
Speaker 2: my base camp. It's got synthetic fiber, so I don't

859
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:15,840
Speaker 2: worry as much asf I get wet around the truck

860
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 2: or you know, if I'm in my you know, if

861
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:21,840
Speaker 2: I'm in my canvas cutter, sleeping at a trailhead or whatever,

862
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 2: and then sleeping pad. I've kind of all over the place.

863
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,280
Speaker 2: I was a big agnes Q core guy forever because

864
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:29,839
Speaker 2: three or four inches off the ground, you know, they're

865
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 2: a big puffy pad. But I had too many of

866
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 2: them leak, and so now I'm back to a thermorest

867
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:39,839
Speaker 2: X something something something. It's bulletproof. It is a little

868
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:40,839
Speaker 2: bit louder.

869
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 1: It's cracly, the weird little little pockets.

870
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:45,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's got the reinforcement and it.

871
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 1: Almost reminds you like the packing material with the little

872
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 1: air bubbles that you al they're like across the hexes.

873
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, that that's a I believe that's

874
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:56,880
Speaker 2: a different brand. This one's a solid pad, but it

875
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 2: does have weird reinforcements and it's almost like the air's

876
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 2: chambered in and routed in a certain way. But at

877
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 2: first I didn't know if i'd like it because it

878
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:07,319
Speaker 2: does crunch like a potato chip bag at times. It's

879
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:09,839
Speaker 2: a little noisier. But I sleep great on it. It's

880
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 2: got good our value, and so that's really my system.

881
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 2: It's it's pretty pretty simple. I went ultra light weight

882
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:17,799
Speaker 2: on everything that I've gotten, so I can literally go

883
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:20,800
Speaker 2: from you know, aside from adding about a pound and

884
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 2: a half to two pounds of food per day, I

885
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:25,799
Speaker 2: can literally add those three items and within about six

886
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 2: pounds be ready to go overnight.

887
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:31,800
Speaker 1: Yeah. Nice. Do you carry a pillow?

888
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 2: I do. That's one of my other luxury items is

889
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 2: a little seat to summit blow up pillow. And another

890
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 2: pro tip on those is do not blow them up

891
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:44,320
Speaker 2: till they're completely blown up. You go about five eighths

892
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 2: full and it's a perfect spot.

893
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:52,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, test it. Okay, let's see what else here,

894
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 1: and you're you're just gonna eat the probably the same

895
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 1: kind of foods throughout the day, the same old like

896
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 1: a bay or or your your nuts and berries and twigs. Yeah,

897
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,280
Speaker 1: nuts and berries and here's pepperonis and stuff.

898
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't change it up too much.

899
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:14,720
Speaker 1: Right on, how big of a bag are you using

900
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 1: for your for your multi day trips? Would you say,

901
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 1: what would you recommend? You know, if somebody's like, you know,

902
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 1: I want to get into that, And I don't know

903
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:24,360
Speaker 1: how big of a bag to buy because there's a

904
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:26,320
Speaker 1: lot of options in whether it's a thirty five hundred

905
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 1: to fifty five hundred, seventy five hundred, like all these

906
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 1: different numbers of cubic inches.

907
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean this is my recommendation. If you're going

908
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 2: to just have one, if you got the luxury to

909
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 2: have two, then I would go like three thousand, seven thousand.

910
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 2: If you're gonna get one, I would definitely go five

911
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 2: thousand plus. That gives you the ability to overnight put

912
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:46,799
Speaker 2: all of your extra clothing, all of your sleep gear,

913
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:50,240
Speaker 2: all of your food, all these things we've been talking about.

914
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 2: So I'm a big PAC guy like some people like

915
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 2: organization that I mentioned earlier, Like I'm the most unorganized

916
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:59,320
Speaker 2: PAC guy. Like I literally shove everything into the bottom.

917
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 2: You know, lights uff goes in the bottom, mid to

918
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 2: heavyweight stuff goes in the middle. You know, food goes

919
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 2: on top. I really just stuff my stuff. And so

920
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 2: I'm a guy that wants a big single cylinder bag

921
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:14,320
Speaker 2: I run. I believe it's the Cavern by Kafaro. I

922
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 2: think it's like seven thousand cubic inch plus. It's real tall.

923
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:19,319
Speaker 2: It's got like a snow collar that comes up so

924
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 2: I can keep going vertical. It's got a spotting scope

925
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:25,319
Speaker 2: pocket on one side, and that's all. That's literally the

926
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:27,879
Speaker 2: only pocket I've got on the thing. I don't even

927
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 2: run a lid. I roll the snow collar down. So

928
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 2: for me, that seven thousand cubic inch pack is my

929
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 2: day pack. That seven thousand cubic inch pack is my

930
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:40,360
Speaker 2: ten day expedition pack. So don't I don't switch bags

931
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 2: depending on the on the pursuit or the amount of time.

932
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:46,759
Speaker 2: In my opinion, you might save ten to you know,

933
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 2: fifteen ounces, maybe you know a half a pound and

934
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 2: a pound on going to a smaller bag. But with

935
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 2: the way the compression straps on that, I can literally

936
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 2: make that pack perfectly flat for a day trip and

937
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 2: it doesn't cost me hardly anything.

938
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I use like a it's a forty four mag

939
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 1: by Kafaro, and I think, what is that thing? Is

940
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 1: it like cubic kinches? I feel like it's bigger than that.

941
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 1: But but man, when I get that thing loaded for

942
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:16,400
Speaker 1: three or four days, it's tight. It's really tight. So

943
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 1: I would I would always recommend go on the high side.

944
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 1: I've had a fifty five hundred pack before and it

945
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 1: was it was good. I could fit stuff in there

946
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 1: really well a lot more comfortably. It doesn't feel like

947
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:31,360
Speaker 1: the thing's going to pop at any second. But and

948
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:34,439
Speaker 1: then my day pack, you know, a lot of times

949
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:36,759
Speaker 1: I'll run a separate pack for that. And I've used

950
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 1: that Striker XL by Kafaru quite a lot in the

951
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 1: last couple of years, and it's about two thousand, twenty

952
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:50,839
Speaker 1: two twenty three. It's it's packed to the gills though

953
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 1: it's it's packed tight with all that stuff I listed,

954
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 1: it's it's a tight pack. So I think that twenty

955
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 1: five hundred to three thousand would be a good one

956
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 1: for a day pack. But like Jason said, if you

957
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 1: don't have the luxury to have two different packs, I

958
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:06,360
Speaker 1: definitely get a big pack and then you can always

959
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 1: just crunch them down for your day trips. And they're

960
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:14,840
Speaker 1: really versed all that way. So all right, Well, anything

961
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 1: else you'd like to go over?

962
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 2: Tools? Real quick tool archery season. I've got an aland

963
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 2: ranch set and with my thumb release, so I shoot

964
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 2: a thumb release, so like my chest harness, which is

965
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 2: something I also carry, I'll keep my aland wrenches and

966
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 2: my my release on my left side. And I'm more

967
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 2: nervous about my equipment not functioning than i am my

968
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 2: health so I will pack like floss. If I hadn't

969
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 2: to do any like string repairs or bow repairs or

970
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 2: like get a serving to stop running or whatever you

971
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 2: would call that, I will carry like the real floss,

972
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:50,799
Speaker 2: not that stupid ribbon stuff that you get nowadays. Carry

973
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 2: carry some real floss. And then so that's kind of

974
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 2: my archery tools in my ability to fix or tighten

975
00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:00,439
Speaker 2: anything that's loose, you know, along with pitch and and

976
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:03,880
Speaker 2: some floss you can usually get by or maintain and

977
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:06,839
Speaker 2: then rifle season, you know, if I'm changing my kid out,

978
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 2: usually I just got my Alan wrench, the one Allen

979
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 2: wrench to mess with my scope. I've usually got like

980
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:13,320
Speaker 2: a dime in my pay in case I need to

981
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:15,799
Speaker 2: turn something, you know, for god forbid, I needed to

982
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 2: do something, you know, I wouldn't shoot it an animal,

983
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:20,400
Speaker 2: but I'd have the ability to change or take my

984
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 2: scope apart if I need to, or my my knobs.

985
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 2: I do carry a little teeny flat head like a

986
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:29,880
Speaker 2: little multi tool, and then it's got a reversible phillips

987
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 2: on one side. And that was more to help with

988
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:33,400
Speaker 2: taking care of camera gear, like if I need to

989
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 2: get something done or you know, something on my headlamp is,

990
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 2: you know, goofy, Like I had one of my black diamonds,

991
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 2: had like a flathead screwdriver that would sometimes get too

992
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 2: tight and I couldn't like get the neural to so

993
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 2: I'd grab that little I have a little teeny screwdriver

994
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 2: that goes in my waist pocket. Chapstick for me. I'm

995
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 2: I'm a Western Washington high humidity guy. As soon as

996
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 2: I get over the top of the pass, like my

997
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 2: lips fall apart. So I've always got like chapstick for

998
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 2: me in my pocket. Yeah, I think rangefinder, binoculars, you know,

999
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:09,440
Speaker 2: stuff but not necessarily in your pack, but on me

1000
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 2: at all times when I'm hunting rangefinder and I switch

1001
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 2: back and forth whether I'm rifle hunting, archery hunting, whether

1002
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 2: I'm going with like the RX five full draw or

1003
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 2: going with you know, something like the loopholds new what

1004
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 2: is it, tv R five thousand, not one of the

1005
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 2: exact model number, but they're.

1006
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 1: The new rangefinders, a TVR five thou which is pretty badass.

1007
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 2: That's awesome. So I know we weren't talking exactly about

1008
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 2: pack dump, but those are the things that are also

1009
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 2: like I just move those to my chest, my chest hardnesses.

1010
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:38,799
Speaker 2: I'm hunting, and and you know, the tools are. Like

1011
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 2: I said, I probably focus more on the effectiveness of

1012
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:44,279
Speaker 2: me being successful and my gear functioning than I do

1013
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:46,959
Speaker 2: about my own health. So I do, you know, spend

1014
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:49,359
Speaker 2: a little extra space and time on making sure I've

1015
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 2: got tools you know available.

1016
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. I run one of those chest drigs too,

1017
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 1: like an FHF chest rig, And in my left pocket

1018
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:05,359
Speaker 1: there's a I'll have Carmex in the tube because in

1019
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 1: hot weather, the chap sticks out the stuff that you

1020
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:11,400
Speaker 1: can little you can turn the little wheel and it

1021
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 1: comes out more. Those things get hot and sometimes melt,

1022
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:16,760
Speaker 1: and I don't like that gooey stuff all over my stuff.

1023
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 1: So the little Carmex tube that things that stuff works

1024
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:22,800
Speaker 1: really good and it's good for chapped lips. I also

1025
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 1: keep one of those headlamps I have referenced earlier. I

1026
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:28,359
Speaker 1: keep one of those in my chest pocket. That way

1027
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 1: I don't have to dig for it. You know, there

1028
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 1: ain't nothing worse. And when you're trying to hike out

1029
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 1: it in the evening and have to stop and dig

1030
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 1: through your pack and find your find your headlamp if

1031
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 1: it's right there, readily available on your chest. It says

1032
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 1: like yep, right here.

1033
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 2: And then yeah, I guess the other thing in my rifle.

1034
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:44,880
Speaker 2: I just found this out because I was switching my

1035
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 2: packground because we're archery hunting here in Idaho right now.

1036
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 2: I have a couple I just throw a couple those

1037
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 2: little cardboard squeezes of like your three M ear protection.

1038
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 2: It goes in my left chest pocket when I'm rifle hunting,

1039
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:59,320
Speaker 2: just in case some man eats hearing protection or I

1040
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:01,439
Speaker 2: lose my you know, I usually wear one of those

1041
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 2: I don't know, I call them timber cutter ear plugs,

1042
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 2: you know, these kind of strapp around your neck and

1043
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:08,400
Speaker 2: got the hard orange, you know, so you can quickly

1044
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 2: put them in. But if I happen to lose them

1045
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 2: or didn't bring them on that hunt, I've got a

1046
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 2: couple sets of ear plugs I can hand out to

1047
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:15,920
Speaker 2: people before we shoot. Yeah, yeah, that's a good idea,

1048
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:18,279
Speaker 2: that kind of. I can't think of anything else that's

1049
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 2: in or on my pack. Like I said, I usually

1050
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 2: take and replace like extra buckles or extra straps you

1051
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:26,840
Speaker 2: know you carry perri cord. My pack does have I

1052
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 2: have two extra like scent straps that will. You know,

1053
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 2: I can compress from different angles with different buckles, So

1054
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 2: I do have a couple of buckles and straps in there. Yeah,

1055
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 2: I think that's really everything in my pack. For most situations,

1056
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:43,880
Speaker 2: I can't think, you know, if if I know, you know,

1057
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:45,919
Speaker 2: the Idaho deer hunt me and Tyson went on and

1058
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 2: what was it twenty twenty one. Knew we were gonna

1059
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 2: need to be a building fires and we knew there

1060
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 2: were like beetle killed timber in the area needed to

1061
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 2: make firewood, so we brought like the wyoming saw the

1062
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:57,840
Speaker 2: little you know. So like there are times, depending on

1063
00:49:57,840 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 2: the hunt, we usually keep this sort of stuff at

1064
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:03,279
Speaker 2: the truck or in our possible's tote, but you may

1065
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 2: reach in there as you're grabbing your cold weather tent

1066
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 2: and you're switching that out, you're grabbing the wyoming sauce.

1067
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:10,320
Speaker 2: So you have the ability to to you know, adapt

1068
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 2: on a hunt where you know you're going to be

1069
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 2: in twelve to eighteen inches of snow. Yeah, so there's

1070
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:17,360
Speaker 2: things like that where you know you may grab a

1071
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 2: wyoming saw or whatever to deal with the situation.

1072
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's a great idea too, or to cut

1073
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:26,879
Speaker 1: horns off. You know, some people don't want to back

1074
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 1: out at the skull. They just they don't want to

1075
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 1: skull cap it. So I don't typically carry the wyoming

1076
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:35,399
Speaker 1: saw with me that I go back on the last

1077
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:37,839
Speaker 1: trip with with the wyoming saw to cut the rack

1078
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:41,799
Speaker 1: off if I were to do that. But yeah, just

1079
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:46,320
Speaker 1: more than anything, just refine, you know, go through your stuff. Refine.

1080
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 1: You can put a lot of unnecessary crap in there.

1081
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:52,319
Speaker 1: And if you if you've been carrying it for a

1082
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:56,239
Speaker 1: while and you haven't used it, maybe it needs to go.

1083
00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 1: Of course, not not the first aid stuff, but if

1084
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:03,319
Speaker 1: there's stuff that you just haven't seen the utility out of,

1085
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:05,880
Speaker 1: then I'd pull it out. And you can get pretty

1086
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 1: bare bones with having some good quality stuff in there

1087
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 1: that they'll make your day comfortable.

1088
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 2: So and do not forget your wind checker.

1089
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 1: Oh wind checkers.

1090
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 2: That's that's sitting on the side of my bino harness

1091
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 2: and it's probably the most important. I use that wind

1092
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:20,880
Speaker 2: checker more than any other thing I've got on me

1093
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:21,479
Speaker 2: at all times.

1094
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:24,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's one thing I missed a lot of times.

1095
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:25,880
Speaker 1: You'll have a second one in the pack because they

1096
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 1: wait nothing and they'll have the one I'm using actively.

1097
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 1: I don't know how many of them stupid things have lost,

1098
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:33,360
Speaker 1: though it's easy to lose them, especially the ones they

1099
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 1: that aren't white, the ones that are.

1100
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:38,399
Speaker 2: Darker color ca the camera option. Yeah, where the heck did.

1101
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:42,839
Speaker 1: That thing go? So but yeah, anyway, well, thanks for

1102
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:46,319
Speaker 1: chatting about that tonight. If any of our listeners have

1103
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:49,840
Speaker 1: any questions about this kind of stuff, go ahead and

1104
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 1: email us at CTD at phelpsgame Calls dot com and

1105
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:58,720
Speaker 1: if you want to call in with your question, I'll

1106
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 1: play your question and on the air and we'll answer

1107
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:04,239
Speaker 1: it the best of our ability. And the number is

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Speaker 1: two zero eight two one seven seven zero one. Get

1109
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:11,880
Speaker 1: about three minutes to put that message on there before

1110
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:14,799
Speaker 1: it cuts you off, so I'll keep your message your

1111
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 1: question quick. So thanks everybody, and we'll catch you on

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Speaker 1: the next one.

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Speaker 2: Ye