WEBVTT - Biden's Title 42 Plot to Make the Border Worse

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<v Speaker 1>Cause media.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello, Hello Mia, Hello you lot. Hello podcast fans, This

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<v Speaker 2>is it could happen here a podcast about how the

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<v Speaker 2>world is falling apart and some people who are trying

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<v Speaker 2>to pull it back together. Today, we are not talking

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<v Speaker 2>about people who are pulling it back together. We are

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<v Speaker 2>talking about a guy who is constantly struggling to hold

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<v Speaker 2>it together. And that, my friends, is Joseph Robinette Biden,

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<v Speaker 2>old guy, United States President and a border fascist. And

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<v Speaker 2>what's happening. Why are we talking about Joseph Robinette Biden today? Well,

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<v Speaker 2>because you will remember that Biden made some promises when

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<v Speaker 2>he was campaigning in twenty twenty, and it will shock

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<v Speaker 2>you to hear that he is throwing migrants under the

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<v Speaker 2>bus again. In an attempt to get Republicans in the

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<v Speaker 2>Senate to stop stamping their feet and wailing and having

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<v Speaker 2>a tantrum, specifically, the Senate failed to pass an immensely

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<v Speaker 2>spending bill which would find military Among other things, it

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<v Speaker 2>would fund military a to Ukraine, Taiwan, and Israel. And

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<v Speaker 2>the reason they did that is because these Republicans are

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<v Speaker 2>having a little tantrum about quote unquote border security. Border

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<v Speaker 2>security probably doesn't mean what you think it means. In

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<v Speaker 2>practical terms, what border security means is killing more innocent people,

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<v Speaker 2>more people who are fleeing the worst things that are

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<v Speaker 2>happening in this world. At our southern border. It is

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<v Speaker 2>making America a more deadly place for the most desperate

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<v Speaker 2>people on earth. That is what border security means. That

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<v Speaker 2>is what I want you to think of when you

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<v Speaker 2>hear people saying we should secure our border, because the

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<v Speaker 2>people you're securing it against are the Azidi mother I

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<v Speaker 2>saw carrying her children to try and come to a

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<v Speaker 2>safer place. They are the Afghan grandmother who I saw

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<v Speaker 2>walking through the mountains last weekend. Those are the people

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<v Speaker 2>who we're securing our border against. Right, And this is sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>This just pisses me off to an unfathomable degree for

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<v Speaker 2>many of you. But the reason we're talking about this

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<v Speaker 2>today is because whatever happens at the border, right, whatever

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<v Speaker 2>policy we have at the border migration won't change because

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<v Speaker 2>what people are leaving is worse than that, and so

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<v Speaker 2>they will still come here because they believe the lies

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<v Speaker 2>in America tells the world, and it tells its citizens

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<v Speaker 2>about itself too, that this is a safe place. And

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<v Speaker 2>for some people that has been a safe place, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's a good thing. But what will change is how

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<v Speaker 2>people are treated when they get here, because what Biden

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<v Speaker 2>has proposed is a return to Title forty two. I

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<v Speaker 2>made a whole series on Title forty two that you

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<v Speaker 2>can listen to. But what he's proposing this time is

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<v Speaker 2>a very similar policy by which the border patrol agent

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<v Speaker 2>who meets people after they cross the border in between

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<v Speaker 2>to entry can send them directly back to Mexico without

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<v Speaker 2>them having a chance for an asylum hearing. Right, this

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<v Speaker 2>is illegal under international law and parts of the US law.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not clear what Biden's proposing or what the administration

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<v Speaker 2>is proposing to do about it. Maybe they could change

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<v Speaker 2>the immigration law. They could probably get enough vote for that,

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<v Speaker 2>given that people in Congress seem to care very little

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<v Speaker 2>about migrants. But this isn't a well fleft out proposal.

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<v Speaker 2>But what it very clearly shows, right, is the intent

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<v Speaker 2>to throw some of the most desperate people on earth,

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<v Speaker 2>and that is It's disgusting, it's ab horror, and it

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<v Speaker 2>shouldn't be unexpected either.

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<v Speaker 1>The executive is a branch in democratic control that is

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<v Speaker 1>utterly incapable of helping a single person. But has the immense,

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<v Speaker 1>terrible and powerful authority to kill any person on earth,

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<v Speaker 1>and then secondarily to I'm just going to call it,

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<v Speaker 1>effectively perform ethnic cleansings by continually removing populations from the US.

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<v Speaker 2>They could just do this, Yeah, and they used the

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<v Speaker 2>executive for yes it is yeah, yeah, yeah. They have

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<v Speaker 2>never once waived that executive power in defense of the

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<v Speaker 2>little guy or people who desperately needed help. It would

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<v Speaker 2>seem certainly not in the last couple of administrations shouts

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<v Speaker 2>or the former Obama administration staffords by the way, for

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<v Speaker 2>showing their whole ass by the screaming racist shit at

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<v Speaker 2>Muslim people in the last few weeks for people who

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<v Speaker 2>hadn't already kind of worked out how terrible the Obama

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<v Speaker 2>administration's policy was. So I want to talk a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit about the things that they're trying to do. So

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<v Speaker 2>the first and foremost would be allowing border patrol to

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<v Speaker 2>summarily expel migrants. Let me explain to you exactly how

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<v Speaker 2>fucking stupid this thing is. I was present with a

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<v Speaker 2>border patrol agent last week who was trying to discern

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<v Speaker 2>who was a child or not. Who was hampered in

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<v Speaker 2>this by not being able to count in Spanish. Border

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<v Speaker 2>patrol agents do take a Spanish class in their academy, right,

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<v Speaker 2>but how the fuck are we expect this guy to

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<v Speaker 2>discern the veracity of someone's asylum claim when he can't

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<v Speaker 2>count to eighteen? Like this person right under this proposed

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<v Speaker 2>democratic proposal would have the effectively life or death choice

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<v Speaker 2>of whether someone can make an asylum claim or they

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<v Speaker 2>get immediately bounce back to Mexico. Right, this person would,

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<v Speaker 2>for instance, have the choice to send a trans woman

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<v Speaker 2>who would not be safe quote unquote remaining in Mexico

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<v Speaker 2>while she applied for asylum here back to Mexico to

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<v Speaker 2>apply for asylum here. Right, this person will be able

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<v Speaker 2>to send someone who has very credible fears of violence

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<v Speaker 2>in Mexico back to Mexico where they often have no network,

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<v Speaker 2>they have no resources. It once again be putting the

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<v Speaker 2>strain of our foreign policy and the fucked up shit

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<v Speaker 2>we've done all around the world that has destabilized regimes,

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<v Speaker 2>specifically across South Marica, but also all around the world.

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<v Speaker 2>As a consequence of that, people aren't safe there. They're

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<v Speaker 2>coming here to find safety, and we're placing it in

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<v Speaker 2>the hands of a random border patrol agent who may

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<v Speaker 2>very well not speak the language. You understand anything they're

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<v Speaker 2>saying to bounce them back. That's not how we should

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<v Speaker 2>do think. I think it probably goes without saying. They

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<v Speaker 2>also want to begin a process of what's called expedited removal.

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<v Speaker 2>This allows immigration officials to deport people without court hearings

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<v Speaker 2>if they don't ask for asylum or if they fail

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<v Speaker 2>their initial asylum interview. Again like this treating of people

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<v Speaker 2>seeking asylum like they don't have rights or right like

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<v Speaker 2>they have to they're guilty and to proven innocent almost

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<v Speaker 2>in this system, right and to be proven to get

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<v Speaker 2>these court hearings. To do well in these court inks,

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<v Speaker 2>they need money. They need lawyers. Those lawyers can cost

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<v Speaker 2>anywhere from six to twelve thousand dollars from what I've heard.

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<v Speaker 2>But these people aren't allowed to work in the United States.

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<v Speaker 2>We're creating a de factor system the privileges wealthier migrants. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>ten twelve thousand United States dollars is a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>money if you're coming from large parts of the world,

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<v Speaker 2>we're weighing so much lower. So having that kind of

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<v Speaker 2>money isn't something that people who may be in desperate

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<v Speaker 2>need of help would have. For instance, yesterday I was

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<v Speaker 2>speaking to a USD family is ed. However you want

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<v Speaker 2>to say it who people will be familiar with the

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<v Speaker 2>way their community was treated by isis right. Some of

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<v Speaker 2>the worst genocidal and misogynist violence that we've seen this

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<v Speaker 2>century was enounted upon that community. They're coming to the

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<v Speaker 2>United States to be safe, and I don't think those

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<v Speaker 2>people would have had the money to get together for

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<v Speaker 2>a hearing. Right, they speak Kurdish. I've never encountered about

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<v Speaker 2>a patrol agent who speaks Kurdish. Right, So they would

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<v Speaker 2>have to make their claim on arrival. They could be

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<v Speaker 2>immediately rejected. They could if they fail their asylum interview,

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<v Speaker 2>they could be placed in this expedited removal process, by

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<v Speaker 2>which they wouldn't have a right to a court hearing,

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<v Speaker 2>a lawyer or translator, all those things. And the final

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<v Speaker 2>thing that they've indicated that they want to do, and

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<v Speaker 2>I think this is the most bizarre one, is that

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<v Speaker 2>they have decided that they want to mandate the detention

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<v Speaker 2>of certain migrants while their claims are adjudicated. This one,

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<v Speaker 2>it seems like obviously like a massive concession to this

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<v Speaker 2>sort of insane Republican right wing sort of demand that

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<v Speaker 2>we criminalize all asylum seekers.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think which I want to say something like

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<v Speaker 1>for a second about this too, because like, yeah, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the ways that all this whole anti migranting

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<v Speaker 1>has ramped up, like when I was a kid, like

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<v Speaker 1>because there was you know, I was like growing up

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<v Speaker 1>when this this first sort of like anti immigration hysteria

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<v Speaker 1>was like ramping up. And back then the hysteria was

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<v Speaker 1>illegal immigration. It's like this stuff is all legal, Like

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<v Speaker 1>you have the legal like these are literally people doing

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<v Speaker 1>legal immigration. Yeah, they and we're just here now where

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<v Speaker 1>it's like no, like like you try you, if you

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<v Speaker 1>attempt to come into the US legally, we are going

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<v Speaker 1>to fucking put you in a camp. Like it's fucking insane.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like like this is shit that like even like

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen years ago, people would have been like what the

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<v Speaker 1>fuck are you talking about. But the way that the

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<v Speaker 1>way that this has been accelerated, and this is something

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<v Speaker 1>that's you know, like the fact that Biden is fucking

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<v Speaker 1>just like just going like oh yeah, yeah, yeah, we

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<v Speaker 1>should this is this is fine, Like we're gonna do

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<v Speaker 1>like this is this is stuff that would have been

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<v Speaker 1>unimaginable for a Republican president in the two thousands. Yeah. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>the thing about this too is that none of this

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<v Speaker 1>would have been possible without democratic implicity. This is this

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<v Speaker 1>is this way this system has worked this entire time. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>is the reason they called a bomb of the Deporter

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<v Speaker 1>in chief because he was the guy who could could

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<v Speaker 1>have actually turned the tide against this stuff and just

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<v Speaker 1>didn't and was just like, fuck you, We're gonna deport

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<v Speaker 1>millions of people. And that's that's how we're fucking here

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<v Speaker 1>with this shit over again. People who are literally coming

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<v Speaker 1>to the country legally, which is what all these people said,

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<v Speaker 1>spent all this fucking time saying you're supposed to be doing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, I think the claim of it by

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<v Speaker 2>the administration is I don't fucking know, Like they want

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<v Speaker 2>people to use CBP one, right, CBP one is the

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<v Speaker 2>biggest fucking disaster in applications. I can't think of anything.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. It's like as bad as fucking Testa's

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<v Speaker 2>auto pilot. If Testa's auto pilot got to decide your

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<v Speaker 2>whole future, right, every single person I have met at

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<v Speaker 2>the Southern border has tried CBP one. People aren't. Like,

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<v Speaker 2>No one wants to pay someone to drive them off

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<v Speaker 2>road across the desert to a shitty hole in the

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<v Speaker 2>wall in the middle of the freezing mountain range eighty

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<v Speaker 2>miles east of here, and then to sit with their

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<v Speaker 2>children while it rains, snows, freezes and wait for one, two,

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<v Speaker 2>three nights in this shitty conditions with maybe a con

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<v Speaker 2>tent that we dumps to dive from a Susan g

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<v Speaker 2>comen event, right, or maybe if they're really lucky, like

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<v Speaker 2>a yurt that me and my friends built from palaps, right.

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<v Speaker 2>And no one in their right mind would want to

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<v Speaker 2>do that. These people don't want to do that. They've

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<v Speaker 2>tried fucking CBP one. Most of them who I have

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<v Speaker 2>spoken to are carrying visa rejection letters, right. They've been

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<v Speaker 2>to embassies all around the world, have just been summarily dismissed.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't give a reason for rejecting your visa, right,

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<v Speaker 2>and they've exhausted all their options. No one wants to

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<v Speaker 2>spend their life savings and walk across the desert. It's dangerous, right,

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<v Speaker 2>but that is the only way they can do it.

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<v Speaker 2>And as you say, it is perfectly legal to enter

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<v Speaker 2>the country between ports of entry and immediately surrender to

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<v Speaker 2>the first law enforcement agent you see to claim asylum.

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<v Speaker 2>That that is how one claims asylum when one is

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<v Speaker 2>fleeing persecution. And when we have shut the door through

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<v Speaker 2>this stupid app that only recognizes white faces and crashes

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<v Speaker 2>all the time and isn't in most languages, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>entirely understandable that people have taken this route. We have

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<v Speaker 2>cooked the bottler of migration and then shaken it up

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<v Speaker 2>right for three years with the title forty two, which

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<v Speaker 2>is this Trump era policy that co opted the COVID pandemic,

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<v Speaker 2>which they allowed to rip through large segments of the

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<v Speaker 2>United States community and pretended that by expelling migrants who

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<v Speaker 2>are protecting us. It didn't have any provisions for vaccination,

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<v Speaker 2>it didn't have any COVID testing. It was just a

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<v Speaker 2>cynical attempt to use the pandemic. And we've seen through

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<v Speaker 2>public records request is something they've planned long in advance

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<v Speaker 2>to evict people from this country without giving them a

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<v Speaker 2>chance of an asylum hearing, and now Biden is doing

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<v Speaker 2>it without even the pretense of an excuse. Right at

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<v Speaker 2>least Trump made up some bullshit. It was transparent. But

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<v Speaker 2>Biden isn't even bothering to do that, and he's just

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<v Speaker 2>going to boot these people back into a place where

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<v Speaker 2>they're going to be vulnerable. I've spoken to migrants who

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<v Speaker 2>have been abused, who have been robbed in Mexico. It's

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<v Speaker 2>it's not a safe place of vulnerable people. And the

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<v Speaker 2>more vulnerable people you put into it, they're less safe.

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<v Speaker 2>It's going to get and nor is it. Mexico's a

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<v Speaker 2>fucking problem, right, Like Henry Kissinger didn't fucking run Mexican

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<v Speaker 2>policy and then get to live to one hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>die in's bed, right, It's it's a lot of these

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<v Speaker 2>countries people are coming from, they're coming from because we

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<v Speaker 2>fucked up their policy as a country. We fucked up

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<v Speaker 2>their future, right. We we did this neoclonial thing where

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<v Speaker 2>we stole everything we thought was a value. We imposed

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<v Speaker 2>dictators upon them when they chose socialist or more progressive regimes,

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<v Speaker 2>and then we'd split our hands up in the air

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<v Speaker 2>and said no, you can't come here to no space. Sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>And it's it's fucking inexcusable and it's imhorrent me. Do

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<v Speaker 2>you know what else is inexcusable? And abhorrent?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it the products and services that it is?

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<v Speaker 2>Mar Yeah, yes, the products and services that we so

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<v Speaker 2>greatly love. Oh hang on, I got something say about

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<v Speaker 2>the fucking products and services. We're doing this now because

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<v Speaker 2>we've got time. There was an advert for Novo nordisking

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<v Speaker 2>our podcast the other day, and I just want to

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<v Speaker 2>take this opportunity to say an extra special fuck you

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<v Speaker 2>to them, because I have held in my hand as

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<v Speaker 2>a little fucking children who have died because they can't

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<v Speaker 2>afford insulin. And the reason they have died is because

0:14:19.960 --> 0:14:23.000
<v Speaker 2>these fucking ghouls want to extract every penny out of

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<v Speaker 2>those of us who have diabetes. So I'm sorry that

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<v Speaker 2>you heard those adverts and you won't ever again. But

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<v Speaker 2>here's some other adverts we are back without, hopefully adverts

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<v Speaker 2>for evil pharmaceutical companies. It's me and Meir, and we're

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<v Speaker 2>talking about Joe Brandon and his terrible immigration policy. So

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<v Speaker 2>the final part of this, and perhaps the most bizarre one,

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<v Speaker 2>is that the White House but mandating the detention of

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<v Speaker 2>these migrants pending their claims. The US has never had

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<v Speaker 2>enough enough detention space to do this, and we don't now.

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<v Speaker 2>It remains extremely fucking unclear how this will be done.

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<v Speaker 2>I will say that there was a big fuss made

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<v Speaker 2>me and maybe remember this that Biden was canceling private

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<v Speaker 2>prison contracts when he first came into office. Do you

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<v Speaker 2>remember his executive order on this vaguely? Yeah, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>think it got a lot of attention. That may have

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<v Speaker 2>specifically applied to people who are in federal criminal incarceration.

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<v Speaker 2>It's certainly never applied to people seeking asylum because those

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<v Speaker 2>people have always been detained by third party contractors like

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<v Speaker 2>cour Civic Right, and they continue to be so on

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<v Speaker 2>the the Biden administration because again right, it is seemingly

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<v Speaker 2>the implicit policy of the Democratic Party that these people

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<v Speaker 2>are of less value and have fewer rights than US

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<v Speaker 2>citizens or then people seeking permanent restudency in this country

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<v Speaker 2>through other means.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. One of the things I was, I was

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<v Speaker 1>doing this for other reasons, for not this story, but

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<v Speaker 1>I was going back through and I was reading the

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<v Speaker 1>the Democratic Party platform from twenty twenty and if you

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<v Speaker 1>go back and read the Democratic Party platform from twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty eight, the opening thing is them talking about the

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<v Speaker 1>like how they're they're when they're in power, they're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>do us need to dismantle structure and racism in this country?

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<v Speaker 2>Fuck me?

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<v Speaker 1>And it's like my ass, Like, and this is one

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<v Speaker 1>of these these really really sort of grim things about this, right,

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<v Speaker 1>is like the Democrats really really cynically capitalized off of, like,

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<v Speaker 1>like people's revulsion at the fucking horrible suffus doing it

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<v Speaker 1>at the border, and then they got into power, they

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<v Speaker 1>did all of the same shit, and nobody fucking cares

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<v Speaker 1>now because that's that's literally what the Democrats are there for, right.

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<v Speaker 1>They're there to diffuse people's ability, capacity and desire to

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<v Speaker 1>resist doing the exact same fucking things Republicans are doing.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's really effective. And the consequence of this is

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<v Speaker 1>that now we're fucking here with like trying to bring

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<v Speaker 1>fucking the same shit Trump was doing back.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you're right, like so many people poured so

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<v Speaker 2>much rage and passion into like I'm sure you can

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<v Speaker 2>remember the whole no more kids in kGy thing, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I will.

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<v Speaker 1>I will say this. I was always kind of cynical

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<v Speaker 1>about that because I remember Occupy Ice. Now, I remember

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<v Speaker 1>all those fucking liberals who told me they'd be marching

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<v Speaker 1>in the streets just fucking abandoning us and leaving us

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<v Speaker 1>to like deal with the fucking cops on our own.

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<v Speaker 1>So like I think, I think it is like there's

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<v Speaker 1>been a sort of mythologization to some extent of how

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<v Speaker 1>willing people were to actually do shit it or Trump,

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<v Speaker 1>but they sure is fuck not here under Biden.

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<v Speaker 2>So then yeah, there ain't no one in the streets

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<v Speaker 2>saying no more kids in cages now, right, Like they're

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<v Speaker 2>not here for the little children I've met, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>day in day out for the last six months, who

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<v Speaker 2>are going to be detained, who might be separated for

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<v Speaker 2>their families.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I want to this is kind of off

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<v Speaker 1>topic too, but like, so this is this is a story,

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<v Speaker 1>Like at some point I'm going to do an actual

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<v Speaker 1>episode about this. There's been I've been I've been trying

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<v Speaker 1>to get to talk to people about this for a bit.

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<v Speaker 1>But so there's been a whole bunch of shit with

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of So one of the subsequent things that

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<v Speaker 1>was happening with all these people is that like the

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<v Speaker 1>government in Texas has been like shipping them to random cities. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>so a bunch of people have been shipped to Chicago,

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<v Speaker 1>and it turned and there there eventually were protests here,

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<v Speaker 1>but like our fucking progressive mayor tried to have a

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<v Speaker 1>basically a concentration camp company set up like a camp

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<v Speaker 1>for these people on land that it turned out have

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<v Speaker 1>been a toxic waste dump and only just didn't do

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<v Speaker 1>I I don't even think he ever backed up the

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<v Speaker 1>a story years kind of. I think what happened, if

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<v Speaker 1>I'm remembering correctly, is that the governor was like, like

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<v Speaker 1>pritz Crew was like, what the fuck are you doing?

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<v Speaker 1>You can't have this stuff beyond a toxic waste site.

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<v Speaker 1>But so that's like temporarily to stopped. Like that's that's

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<v Speaker 1>the kind of shit that's happening, like in you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like like Brandon Johnson like nominally is one of the

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<v Speaker 1>most left wing mayors in the US, And this is

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<v Speaker 1>what is fucking happening even in this from of the

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<v Speaker 1>sort of progressive wing the Democratic Party, like the concern

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<v Speaker 1>like the Joe Biden conservative wing is like even worse

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<v Speaker 1>than this stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and like the entire Democratic Party in so much

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<v Speaker 2>as has and there was a time when it genuinely

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<v Speaker 2>did show up for people trying to come to this

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<v Speaker 2>country to seek asylum at least it wouldn't. This is

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<v Speaker 2>like the immigration system is like a ratchet and it

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<v Speaker 2>only moved to the right, and the democratic government it

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't move to the right. It does now. And this

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<v Speaker 2>means something. There is not an electoral option for you, right,

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<v Speaker 2>You cannot just vote if you give a single fuck

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<v Speaker 2>about innocent people living outside of this country wanting to

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<v Speaker 2>come here and be safe. You don't. There is nothing

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<v Speaker 2>on the ballot box for you to tick that represents

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<v Speaker 2>a serious option. And that's sad. Yeah, it's a pretty

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<v Speaker 2>fucked reflection of our electoral politics. But I think it

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<v Speaker 2>also impels us to like, look, look as someone who

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<v Speaker 2>believes that there is not a ballot box option that

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<v Speaker 2>is going to deliver us a system with dignity and

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<v Speaker 2>democracy and justice. Anyway, I think this is where we

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<v Speaker 2>have to step up and do the stuff that we

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<v Speaker 2>always talk about. Like this happened a little bit in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty, it happened a little bit under Trump, but

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<v Speaker 2>like now more than ever, the need to do mutual aid,

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<v Speaker 2>especially for migrants, but also for in house people within

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<v Speaker 2>your community, for all the fucking human detritus of Joe

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<v Speaker 2>Biden's dogshit, evenance, it's right now, and like it is,

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<v Speaker 2>as I've seen personally, within the power of a very

0:21:07.760 --> 0:21:09.720
<v Speaker 2>small group of people to impact the lives of a

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<v Speaker 2>very large group of people through organizing. I've participated in

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<v Speaker 2>mutual aid for a while. I'm sure many of the

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<v Speaker 2>people are listening have as well. But like if you,

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<v Speaker 2>if you haven't found the play or the way to

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<v Speaker 2>do so, like it's it's a great time to start

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<v Speaker 2>organizing something. The options in the next electoral cycle are

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<v Speaker 2>that things get worse or that things get much worse.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think we have an option which is dismantling

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<v Speaker 2>the structural racism that is within the United States, or

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<v Speaker 2>even just not punching down on some of the most

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<v Speaker 2>vulnerable people in the world. It would appear, and so

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<v Speaker 2>to protect those people, it falls upon our communities, And

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<v Speaker 2>that's that's a big burden to shoulder, right. When the

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<v Speaker 2>state has enough money to send one thousand pound bomb

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<v Speaker 2>state Israel, that means that we have to pay for

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<v Speaker 2>beans for hungry children. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, And I mean the thing that this too, right

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<v Speaker 1>is like if you if you spent the amount of

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<v Speaker 1>money that the US was spending on trying to keep

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<v Speaker 1>Ale out of the country, on just like giving like

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<v Speaker 1>if you just gave that money to the same those

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<v Speaker 1>same people, we wouldn't be having this problem right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Like it isn't like putting people in a prison is

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<v Speaker 1>like the least cost efficient way to do possibly do anything,

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<v Speaker 1>And it doesn't matter because the whole point of this,

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<v Speaker 1>like and this is one of these things with this

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<v Speaker 1>sort of ratchet, right is eventually you're gonna get to

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<v Speaker 1>fucking like you know, I mean, like the situation we

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<v Speaker 1>have now right now in Greece where you have effectively

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<v Speaker 1>a fascist government who's up like pot like when like

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<v Speaker 1>when when boastload boatloads of people go down to the Mediterranean,

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<v Speaker 1>like go down the Mediterraneans, every hundred people die, their

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<v Speaker 1>popularity goes up because you know, and then and this

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<v Speaker 1>is the thing you're gonna be We're gonna we're We're

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<v Speaker 1>not that far away from in the fucking US. Is

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<v Speaker 1>the Republican demand in like maybe like eight maybe ten

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<v Speaker 1>years is going to be just shooting like literally just

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<v Speaker 1>machine guns at the.

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<v Speaker 2>Border like that. This is this is this is where

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<v Speaker 2>this is fucking going, right. You haven't seen the replies

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<v Speaker 2>to my to my posts, like when.

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<v Speaker 1>When I when I say exa. I mean like like

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<v Speaker 1>this is gonna be the demand of the fucking House,

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<v Speaker 1>like Republican caucus, right, like this is this is, this

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<v Speaker 1>is where this is fucking going. And the Democrats, like

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and the Democrats will take power fucking twelve

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<v Speaker 1>years later and be like, well, we're only going to

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<v Speaker 1>shoot some of the people at the border. People are

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<v Speaker 1>going to call this progress, right, and the only way

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<v Speaker 1>that this can be and this this cannot be stopped

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<v Speaker 1>by voting for the Democrats. This is like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and like people people thought this about Obama, and people

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<v Speaker 1>also thought this about Biden, was that we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>vote for these people because they're going to be good

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<v Speaker 1>on immigration, and like this is the reason why we're

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<v Speaker 1>fucking are where we are now. So so like there

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<v Speaker 1>there there there is no solution to this that doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>revolve around like fundamental systemic change to what the US is,

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<v Speaker 1>because otherwise we're just going to every single fucking year,

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna back here.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Talking of being back here, we needed a second

0:24:05.560 --> 0:24:08.400
<v Speaker 2>advertising pivot. I think right there there are two mid

0:24:08.480 --> 0:24:12.159
<v Speaker 2>roles in these Yeah. Yeah, so we are back here

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<v Speaker 2>once again lamenting the fact that we have to introduce

0:24:15.760 --> 0:24:28.399
<v Speaker 2>these adverts for you here. You are all right, and

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<v Speaker 2>we have returned to lament the big fine of the

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<v Speaker 2>United States. I wanted to talk briefly about what Title

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<v Speaker 2>forty two does to migration flow. Right. As many of

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<v Speaker 2>you will be aware, Donald Trump has built a big,

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<v Speaker 2>beautiful wall along the southern border of the United States.

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<v Speaker 2>The caveat to that being only some of it, and

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<v Speaker 2>that they didn't do the hard parts. Right. So the

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<v Speaker 2>places in Hokombo where people are entering are gaps in

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<v Speaker 2>the war. Right. There are camps at three of these gaps,

0:24:56.960 --> 0:25:00.440
<v Speaker 2>spread over about a fifteen mile area. There are apps

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<v Speaker 2>all up and down the wall, right, And you'll very

0:25:02.960 --> 0:25:05.879
<v Speaker 2>often see people saying, oh, you couldn't climb this war.

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<v Speaker 2>Doesn't matter. You just walk along until you find a

0:25:07.440 --> 0:25:09.000
<v Speaker 2>gap and get through. You also can climb the war.

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<v Speaker 2>We've seen people climb the war. We've seen people cut

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<v Speaker 2>it with angle grinders. Right. But what happens with Title

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<v Speaker 2>forty two. What happens right now, under what's called Title

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<v Speaker 2>eight of the United States Immigration Law, people enter the

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<v Speaker 2>country through a gap in the wall, and they wait,

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<v Speaker 2>and they surrender to a border patrol agent and say

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<v Speaker 2>I'm here to claim the silent, right, and then they

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<v Speaker 2>end up in these open air detention sites in Cucumber,

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<v Speaker 2>et cetera. What happens on a title forty two is

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<v Speaker 2>that if you think you're going to be bounced directly

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<v Speaker 2>back to Mexico and you believe that you aren't safe there,

0:25:40.359 --> 0:25:44.359
<v Speaker 2>you attempt to avoid border patrol, right, and so you

0:25:44.480 --> 0:25:47.320
<v Speaker 2>go to the places where they're going to be watching

0:25:47.359 --> 0:25:49.840
<v Speaker 2>these gaps in the war one would issue. So you

0:25:49.880 --> 0:25:52.480
<v Speaker 2>go to the furthest places, and the hardest places and

0:25:52.480 --> 0:25:54.959
<v Speaker 2>the highest places, in the most rugged places, right, and

0:25:55.000 --> 0:25:58.680
<v Speaker 2>you try and walk through those routes. Instead, you try

0:25:58.680 --> 0:26:00.720
<v Speaker 2>and walk through, for instance, value the Moon, which is

0:26:00.800 --> 0:26:03.000
<v Speaker 2>just to the east of the Cumber, where just last

0:26:03.000 --> 0:26:04.879
<v Speaker 2>week some of my friends are involved in the search

0:26:04.880 --> 0:26:07.160
<v Speaker 2>and rescue operation for a four year old child who'd

0:26:07.160 --> 0:26:11.199
<v Speaker 2>become separated from their family coming from Afghanistan, and then

0:26:11.320 --> 0:26:16.119
<v Speaker 2>they found that child, fortunately, but fucking no one else

0:26:16.160 --> 0:26:18.440
<v Speaker 2>would have done if they hadn't been there, right, Yeah,

0:26:18.640 --> 0:26:24.000
<v Speaker 2>the result of this is that people will die in

0:26:24.160 --> 0:26:26.280
<v Speaker 2>greater numbers crossing our body. And that's what we saw

0:26:26.359 --> 0:26:28.359
<v Speaker 2>rounder title forty two under Trump, and it's what we

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<v Speaker 2>saw in title forty two and Biden because there was

0:26:32.520 --> 0:26:35.560
<v Speaker 2>that like I have attended that you've heard about on

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<v Speaker 2>this podcast and the ones that I haven't and that

0:26:37.560 --> 0:26:39.960
<v Speaker 2>you haven't heard about on this podcast are not going

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<v Speaker 2>to stop because Joe Biden offered a concession to the Republicans,

0:26:44.160 --> 0:26:48.720
<v Speaker 2>they will keep happening. The poverty that we have created

0:26:48.760 --> 0:26:50.439
<v Speaker 2>in much of the world is not going to stop.

0:26:50.560 --> 0:26:54.639
<v Speaker 2>It will keep happening. Transphobia a thing that we have

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<v Speaker 2>exported culturally. That's on Britain too, which I definitely.

0:27:02.160 --> 0:27:05.520
<v Speaker 1>It's a a colla It's been a collaborative effort between.

0:27:05.320 --> 0:27:09.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's what a special relationship is about it. JK.

0:27:09.640 --> 0:27:10.720
<v Speaker 2>Rowling and Temple.

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<v Speaker 1>If the French are also complicit in this too, they're

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<v Speaker 1>not getting sucking off the hook for this ship.

0:27:16.400 --> 0:27:18.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is not the pubcast that it's fronts off

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<v Speaker 2>the hook for anything.

0:27:19.160 --> 0:27:21.880
<v Speaker 1>But but you know, like I mean, this is something

0:27:21.880 --> 0:27:25.959
<v Speaker 1>I think you're getting at too. But like we in

0:27:26.119 --> 0:27:30.960
<v Speaker 1>large part, like the US and the UK, are responsible

0:27:30.960 --> 0:27:33.359
<v Speaker 1>for why schensphobia is as bad as it is in

0:27:33.880 --> 0:27:36.680
<v Speaker 1>Mexico right now, which is it is so much more

0:27:36.760 --> 0:27:38.520
<v Speaker 1>like as bad as it is to be trans in

0:27:38.520 --> 0:27:40.840
<v Speaker 1>the fucking us. It is so much worse in Mexico.

0:27:42.440 --> 0:27:46.920
<v Speaker 1>Like the odds of you being killed are indescribable. Even

0:27:46.960 --> 0:27:50.399
<v Speaker 1>if you're not fucking killed, there's you know, like, well

0:27:50.400 --> 0:27:53.919
<v Speaker 1>this is actually like the one of the episodes next

0:27:52.960 --> 0:27:56.399
<v Speaker 1>or what week will that be? The week after next,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I'm gonna we're gonna replay the epithet, like the

0:28:00.760 --> 0:28:04.359
<v Speaker 1>interviews that I did with Mexican trans organizers talking about

0:28:04.440 --> 0:28:08.280
<v Speaker 1>the turfs there because they are armed and they will

0:28:08.400 --> 0:28:10.920
<v Speaker 1>fucking like actually they will attack people.

0:28:12.760 --> 0:28:17.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, it's they United Nations because yeah, it's bleak.

0:28:17.280 --> 0:28:19.960
<v Speaker 2>The UN says that life expectancy for trans people in

0:28:19.960 --> 0:28:23.720
<v Speaker 2>Central America is thirty five or less. Right, that's a

0:28:23.800 --> 0:28:28.560
<v Speaker 2>di am older than that. That is abhorrent. Right, that

0:28:29.520 --> 0:28:34.879
<v Speaker 2>you are extremely likely to die young if you are

0:28:35.119 --> 0:28:38.280
<v Speaker 2>transit in places not so far from here, right, And

0:28:38.320 --> 0:28:40.239
<v Speaker 2>I think that's what I want to get it. And

0:28:40.360 --> 0:28:44.840
<v Speaker 2>it's the fundamental conceit of this whole thing is that

0:28:46.120 --> 0:28:50.120
<v Speaker 2>border policy doesn't change migration. Migration happens because people aren't

0:28:50.160 --> 0:28:53.400
<v Speaker 2>safe where they are, and that's why they leave. They

0:28:54.080 --> 0:28:58.000
<v Speaker 2>don't take this journey because it seems easy. Because even

0:28:58.160 --> 0:29:03.800
<v Speaker 2>right now it's incredible hard. People walk thousands of miles,

0:29:03.840 --> 0:29:06.600
<v Speaker 2>they walk across mountains, they run, and they take risks

0:29:06.600 --> 0:29:10.520
<v Speaker 2>and hop on trains. They get extorted, they get robbed,

0:29:11.560 --> 0:29:16.880
<v Speaker 2>that they get assaulted. Young women often get sexually assaulted. Like,

0:29:16.920 --> 0:29:21.360
<v Speaker 2>it's a terrible and dangerous journey, and people won't stop

0:29:21.520 --> 0:29:26.160
<v Speaker 2>taking that journey because Joe Biden decided to do something different.

0:29:26.240 --> 0:29:28.800
<v Speaker 2>The things that are driving them to leave their homes

0:29:28.840 --> 0:29:34.280
<v Speaker 2>will still keep happening, and they will now have to

0:29:34.280 --> 0:29:37.840
<v Speaker 2>take a more dangerous journey. And all that this does

0:29:38.440 --> 0:29:40.840
<v Speaker 2>is make it more likely that there's people will die

0:29:40.880 --> 0:29:42.880
<v Speaker 2>on the way here, or that when they get here,

0:29:42.920 --> 0:29:45.760
<v Speaker 2>they have to live their whole lives always wondering if

0:29:45.800 --> 0:29:49.080
<v Speaker 2>they're going to get sent back, right, never really feeling safe.

0:29:49.720 --> 0:29:53.800
<v Speaker 2>It rubs people of what some of us can take

0:29:53.840 --> 0:29:56.040
<v Speaker 2>for granted, right, which is being able to go to

0:29:56.040 --> 0:30:00.480
<v Speaker 2>sleep at night and feeling safe. And yeah, that's I

0:30:00.520 --> 0:30:02.960
<v Speaker 2>guess what we all voted for when we chose an

0:30:02.960 --> 0:30:06.440
<v Speaker 2>anti fascist guy in twenty twenty. Like, it's a pretty

0:30:06.440 --> 0:30:11.120
<v Speaker 2>fucking bleak vision of politics in this country and the

0:30:11.200 --> 0:30:13.160
<v Speaker 2>impact I have for people who don't get a choice

0:30:13.160 --> 0:30:14.120
<v Speaker 2>to vote in this country.

0:30:16.520 --> 0:30:19.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, it's you know, it is a it

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<v Speaker 1>is it is a functional, definitional totalitarian regime, and it

0:30:23.600 --> 0:30:25.800
<v Speaker 1>will never be fucking described as that by the academics

0:30:25.840 --> 0:30:29.000
<v Speaker 1>who fucking use this language. But you know, how how

0:30:29.120 --> 0:30:32.400
<v Speaker 1>how else do you describe living in a condition where

0:30:32.400 --> 0:30:34.959
<v Speaker 1>you can at any point be removed and are spending

0:30:35.040 --> 0:30:39.680
<v Speaker 1>literally all your time attempting to flee a police date, Like, yeah, yeah,

0:30:39.840 --> 0:30:42.480
<v Speaker 1>the US, the US is and has always been an

0:30:42.560 --> 0:30:46.960
<v Speaker 1>unbelievably authoritarian state, and it's getting more so fucking every day.

0:30:47.440 --> 0:30:49.560
<v Speaker 1>And you know, and this is also one of these

0:30:49.560 --> 0:30:52.760
<v Speaker 1>things where it's like, I mean, we literally saw this

0:30:52.840 --> 0:30:55.240
<v Speaker 1>in twenty twenty, the people who got sent in to

0:30:55.280 --> 0:30:59.000
<v Speaker 1>put down the uprising in Portland. It was fucking Bortac, right,

0:30:59.040 --> 0:31:00.600
<v Speaker 1>it was. It was it was the the it was

0:31:00.640 --> 0:31:04.440
<v Speaker 1>it was it was the border patrols like special forces units, right, Like,

0:31:05.000 --> 0:31:08.920
<v Speaker 1>that's that's the inevitable logic of this state, is that

0:31:09.320 --> 0:31:12.320
<v Speaker 1>you any person who wants to resist the state, eventually

0:31:12.360 --> 0:31:14.360
<v Speaker 1>one day these people will fucking come for you too.

0:31:14.960 --> 0:31:18.280
<v Speaker 1>And the question is whether you know, it's whether you

0:31:18.440 --> 0:31:22.720
<v Speaker 1>start Because Vortec didn't win, really and like the stuff

0:31:22.720 --> 0:31:23.960
<v Speaker 1>that they were trying to do in twent like they

0:31:24.080 --> 0:31:27.640
<v Speaker 1>they basically kind of got beaten, but you know they're

0:31:27.640 --> 0:31:30.040
<v Speaker 1>still there. They're still getting fucking money like they're getting

0:31:30.560 --> 0:31:33.280
<v Speaker 1>I mean to give more money. Yeah, So you know,

0:31:33.360 --> 0:31:35.920
<v Speaker 1>either either we stop them now before they fucking have

0:31:36.040 --> 0:31:39.239
<v Speaker 1>another trillion dollars to spend on this shit, or you know,

0:31:39.280 --> 0:31:42.040
<v Speaker 1>we fight them again in like five years when there's

0:31:42.080 --> 0:31:43.400
<v Speaker 1>more of them and they're better funded.

0:31:44.280 --> 0:31:47.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And like, the final thing I'll say with regard

0:31:47.200 --> 0:31:49.440
<v Speaker 2>to that finding is, maybe you're meeting your family over

0:31:49.440 --> 0:31:51.800
<v Speaker 2>the holidays, right, Maybe hanging out with people he don't

0:31:51.840 --> 0:31:56.440
<v Speaker 2>often hang out with, even if you don't care about

0:31:56.600 --> 0:31:59.560
<v Speaker 2>you know that their mother bringing her baby from Chino

0:31:59.720 --> 0:32:04.400
<v Speaker 2>in to hear who I met last night, Right, even

0:32:04.400 --> 0:32:08.080
<v Speaker 2>if that doesn't bother you and you're so somehow heartless

0:32:08.120 --> 0:32:11.560
<v Speaker 2>so that you don't care. I will say that, like

0:32:12.240 --> 0:32:15.200
<v Speaker 2>every single time we put more money into border security

0:32:15.240 --> 0:32:17.520
<v Speaker 2>to ends up with all of us being surveiled more.

0:32:17.960 --> 0:32:20.840
<v Speaker 2>If you attended a protest in twenty twenty, you might

0:32:20.880 --> 0:32:24.120
<v Speaker 2>have been surveiled by border patrol. Right. If you walk

0:32:24.160 --> 0:32:26.800
<v Speaker 2>around in the desert where I live, you're probably being

0:32:26.800 --> 0:32:29.320
<v Speaker 2>surveiled by border patrol. If you use your cell phone

0:32:29.320 --> 0:32:32.800
<v Speaker 2>without encryption, you might be being surveiled at the border. Right,

0:32:33.440 --> 0:32:38.000
<v Speaker 2>the companies, many of them are based in the US

0:32:38.000 --> 0:32:40.720
<v Speaker 2>and with them based in Israel that are surveilling Palestinians

0:32:40.760 --> 0:32:43.640
<v Speaker 2>are the same ones that are surveiling us at our border.

0:32:44.480 --> 0:32:48.240
<v Speaker 2>And this will come back to bite you at the ass.

0:32:48.720 --> 0:32:50.600
<v Speaker 2>In the ass. This will come back to bite you

0:32:50.640 --> 0:32:53.680
<v Speaker 2>in the ass, even if you don't care about migrants,

0:32:53.720 --> 0:32:57.280
<v Speaker 2>because the moment you are not in lockstep with the government,

0:32:57.840 --> 0:33:01.520
<v Speaker 2>you become a potential victim of that surveillance. Right, and

0:33:02.440 --> 0:33:05.880
<v Speaker 2>a big thing with undocumented immigration is it essentially makes

0:33:05.920 --> 0:33:09.040
<v Speaker 2>you a legible and therefore untaxable to the government. Right.

0:33:09.480 --> 0:33:13.160
<v Speaker 2>What the government state at its very core want people

0:33:13.200 --> 0:33:16.240
<v Speaker 2>to be is legible and taxable and accountable. If you

0:33:16.320 --> 0:33:19.080
<v Speaker 2>think that it isn't going to bounce back on trans folks,

0:33:19.160 --> 0:33:23.600
<v Speaker 2>right and making them specifically lon binary folks too. Right,

0:33:23.760 --> 0:33:25.720
<v Speaker 2>like the idea that you don't have a box to

0:33:25.720 --> 0:33:27.480
<v Speaker 2>tick on a form, and that makes you harder to

0:33:27.520 --> 0:33:31.440
<v Speaker 2>be legible and statistically quantifiable by the government. All of

0:33:31.440 --> 0:33:33.960
<v Speaker 2>this will come back and hurt you. Even if you're

0:33:34.040 --> 0:33:36.200
<v Speaker 2>just a super right wing libertarian who doesn't want to

0:33:36.200 --> 0:33:40.240
<v Speaker 2>pay their taxes like this, border security is a thing

0:33:40.320 --> 0:33:45.120
<v Speaker 2>that will eventually be used against you, and I don't

0:33:45.160 --> 0:33:48.680
<v Speaker 2>think it's in any of our interests to just keep

0:33:48.760 --> 0:33:50.880
<v Speaker 2>handing these tools to the state that end up being

0:33:50.960 --> 0:33:54.520
<v Speaker 2>used against the most desperate people in the world. And

0:33:55.240 --> 0:33:59.040
<v Speaker 2>so hopefully I know there's no one you can fucking

0:33:59.120 --> 0:34:02.720
<v Speaker 2>vote for to change the Yeah, yeah, you can feel

0:34:02.720 --> 0:34:06.560
<v Speaker 2>free to write your legislators. I have been on the

0:34:06.600 --> 0:34:09.759
<v Speaker 2>phone to my legislators about individual cases of people who

0:34:09.800 --> 0:34:12.080
<v Speaker 2>I care about very deeply, who are in a very

0:34:12.120 --> 0:34:17.000
<v Speaker 2>grave amount of danger and they haven't done shit. So

0:34:17.000 --> 0:34:19.719
<v Speaker 2>instead I go to the border and I build shelters,

0:34:19.800 --> 0:34:23.440
<v Speaker 2>add of pallettes and tops for people because it's the

0:34:23.480 --> 0:34:25.960
<v Speaker 2>only thing that makes me feel like I'm not completely

0:34:26.000 --> 0:34:29.200
<v Speaker 2>fucking powerless. And so if you want to take that

0:34:29.280 --> 0:34:32.839
<v Speaker 2>paradynamic back, you know, cook some beans, make some rice,

0:34:33.000 --> 0:34:37.080
<v Speaker 2>buy some tops with your holiday money, and go out

0:34:37.080 --> 0:34:38.759
<v Speaker 2>there and start doing mutual aid. You don't even have

0:34:38.800 --> 0:34:41.239
<v Speaker 2>to go on x dot com or Reddit to do it.

0:34:41.320 --> 0:34:43.200
<v Speaker 2>Just fucking go out and start helping people. You'll find

0:34:43.200 --> 0:34:46.359
<v Speaker 2>other people who want to help. You can organize, and

0:34:46.400 --> 0:34:48.319
<v Speaker 2>it's about the only way I can see that you

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<v Speaker 2>can make things meaningfully better right now?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeap, Yeah, I think that's a good message to end on.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah it is. If you want to give your money

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<v Speaker 2>to my a little mutual laid gang of wonderful people,

0:35:05.320 --> 0:35:07.719
<v Speaker 2>you can go to go fundmeed dot com, slash Hercumber,

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<v Speaker 2>hyphen migrant hyphen camps he cumber is JA c U,

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<v Speaker 2>N b A. But you can also keep it. And

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<v Speaker 2>I would love it if you started something yourself and

0:35:17.719 --> 0:35:20.560
<v Speaker 2>told us what you were doing that would make things

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<v Speaker 2>less shitty for us.

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