1 00:00:01,760 --> 00:00:08,119 Speaker 1: Cause media. 2 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 2: Hello, Hello Mia, Hello you lot. Hello podcast fans, This 3 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 2: is it could happen here a podcast about how the 4 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:18,280 Speaker 2: world is falling apart and some people who are trying 5 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 2: to pull it back together. Today, we are not talking 6 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:24,480 Speaker 2: about people who are pulling it back together. We are 7 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 2: talking about a guy who is constantly struggling to hold 8 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 2: it together. And that, my friends, is Joseph Robinette Biden, 9 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 2: old guy, United States President and a border fascist. And 10 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 2: what's happening. Why are we talking about Joseph Robinette Biden today? Well, 11 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 2: because you will remember that Biden made some promises when 12 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 2: he was campaigning in twenty twenty, and it will shock 13 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 2: you to hear that he is throwing migrants under the 14 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 2: bus again. In an attempt to get Republicans in the 15 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 2: Senate to stop stamping their feet and wailing and having 16 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:01,959 Speaker 2: a tantrum, specifically, the Senate failed to pass an immensely 17 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 2: spending bill which would find military Among other things, it 18 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 2: would fund military a to Ukraine, Taiwan, and Israel. And 19 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 2: the reason they did that is because these Republicans are 20 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 2: having a little tantrum about quote unquote border security. Border 21 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 2: security probably doesn't mean what you think it means. In 22 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 2: practical terms, what border security means is killing more innocent people, 23 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 2: more people who are fleeing the worst things that are 24 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 2: happening in this world. At our southern border. It is 25 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 2: making America a more deadly place for the most desperate 26 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 2: people on earth. That is what border security means. That 27 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:40,479 Speaker 2: is what I want you to think of when you 28 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 2: hear people saying we should secure our border, because the 29 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 2: people you're securing it against are the Azidi mother I 30 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 2: saw carrying her children to try and come to a 31 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 2: safer place. They are the Afghan grandmother who I saw 32 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 2: walking through the mountains last weekend. Those are the people 33 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 2: who we're securing our border against. Right, And this is sorry, 34 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 2: This just pisses me off to an unfathomable degree for 35 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 2: many of you. But the reason we're talking about this 36 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 2: today is because whatever happens at the border, right, whatever 37 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:23,919 Speaker 2: policy we have at the border migration won't change because 38 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 2: what people are leaving is worse than that, and so 39 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 2: they will still come here because they believe the lies 40 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 2: in America tells the world, and it tells its citizens 41 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 2: about itself too, that this is a safe place. And 42 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 2: for some people that has been a safe place, and 43 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 2: that's a good thing. But what will change is how 44 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:44,639 Speaker 2: people are treated when they get here, because what Biden 45 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 2: has proposed is a return to Title forty two. I 46 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 2: made a whole series on Title forty two that you 47 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 2: can listen to. But what he's proposing this time is 48 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 2: a very similar policy by which the border patrol agent 49 00:02:57,760 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 2: who meets people after they cross the border in between 50 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 2: to entry can send them directly back to Mexico without 51 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:06,079 Speaker 2: them having a chance for an asylum hearing. Right, this 52 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 2: is illegal under international law and parts of the US law. 53 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 2: It's not clear what Biden's proposing or what the administration 54 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 2: is proposing to do about it. Maybe they could change 55 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 2: the immigration law. They could probably get enough vote for that, 56 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 2: given that people in Congress seem to care very little 57 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 2: about migrants. But this isn't a well fleft out proposal. 58 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 2: But what it very clearly shows, right, is the intent 59 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:32,800 Speaker 2: to throw some of the most desperate people on earth, 60 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 2: and that is It's disgusting, it's ab horror, and it 61 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 2: shouldn't be unexpected either. 62 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 1: The executive is a branch in democratic control that is 63 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 1: utterly incapable of helping a single person. But has the immense, 64 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 1: terrible and powerful authority to kill any person on earth, 65 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 1: and then secondarily to I'm just going to call it, 66 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 1: effectively perform ethnic cleansings by continually removing populations from the US. 67 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 2: They could just do this, Yeah, and they used the 68 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 2: executive for yes it is yeah, yeah, yeah. They have 69 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 2: never once waived that executive power in defense of the 70 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 2: little guy or people who desperately needed help. It would 71 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 2: seem certainly not in the last couple of administrations shouts 72 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 2: or the former Obama administration staffords by the way, for 73 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 2: showing their whole ass by the screaming racist shit at 74 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 2: Muslim people in the last few weeks for people who 75 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:27,679 Speaker 2: hadn't already kind of worked out how terrible the Obama 76 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 2: administration's policy was. So I want to talk a little 77 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 2: bit about the things that they're trying to do. So 78 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 2: the first and foremost would be allowing border patrol to 79 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:41,280 Speaker 2: summarily expel migrants. Let me explain to you exactly how 80 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:44,919 Speaker 2: fucking stupid this thing is. I was present with a 81 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 2: border patrol agent last week who was trying to discern 82 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 2: who was a child or not. Who was hampered in 83 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 2: this by not being able to count in Spanish. Border 84 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:57,720 Speaker 2: patrol agents do take a Spanish class in their academy, right, 85 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 2: but how the fuck are we expect this guy to 86 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:04,279 Speaker 2: discern the veracity of someone's asylum claim when he can't 87 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 2: count to eighteen? Like this person right under this proposed 88 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 2: democratic proposal would have the effectively life or death choice 89 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 2: of whether someone can make an asylum claim or they 90 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 2: get immediately bounce back to Mexico. Right, this person would, 91 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 2: for instance, have the choice to send a trans woman 92 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 2: who would not be safe quote unquote remaining in Mexico 93 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:37,719 Speaker 2: while she applied for asylum here back to Mexico to 94 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 2: apply for asylum here. Right, this person will be able 95 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:44,160 Speaker 2: to send someone who has very credible fears of violence 96 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 2: in Mexico back to Mexico where they often have no network, 97 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 2: they have no resources. It once again be putting the 98 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 2: strain of our foreign policy and the fucked up shit 99 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:58,719 Speaker 2: we've done all around the world that has destabilized regimes, 100 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 2: specifically across South Marica, but also all around the world. 101 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 2: As a consequence of that, people aren't safe there. They're 102 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 2: coming here to find safety, and we're placing it in 103 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:12,840 Speaker 2: the hands of a random border patrol agent who may 104 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 2: very well not speak the language. You understand anything they're 105 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:18,039 Speaker 2: saying to bounce them back. That's not how we should 106 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 2: do think. I think it probably goes without saying. They 107 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 2: also want to begin a process of what's called expedited removal. 108 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 2: This allows immigration officials to deport people without court hearings 109 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:31,360 Speaker 2: if they don't ask for asylum or if they fail 110 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:36,719 Speaker 2: their initial asylum interview. Again like this treating of people 111 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 2: seeking asylum like they don't have rights or right like 112 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 2: they have to they're guilty and to proven innocent almost 113 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 2: in this system, right and to be proven to get 114 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:50,920 Speaker 2: these court hearings. To do well in these court inks, 115 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 2: they need money. They need lawyers. Those lawyers can cost 116 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 2: anywhere from six to twelve thousand dollars from what I've heard. 117 00:06:57,120 --> 00:06:59,280 Speaker 2: But these people aren't allowed to work in the United States. 118 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:03,839 Speaker 2: We're creating a de factor system the privileges wealthier migrants. Right, 119 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 2: ten twelve thousand United States dollars is a lot of 120 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 2: money if you're coming from large parts of the world, 121 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 2: we're weighing so much lower. So having that kind of 122 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 2: money isn't something that people who may be in desperate 123 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 2: need of help would have. For instance, yesterday I was 124 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 2: speaking to a USD family is ed. However you want 125 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 2: to say it who people will be familiar with the 126 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 2: way their community was treated by isis right. Some of 127 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 2: the worst genocidal and misogynist violence that we've seen this 128 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 2: century was enounted upon that community. They're coming to the 129 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 2: United States to be safe, and I don't think those 130 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 2: people would have had the money to get together for 131 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 2: a hearing. Right, they speak Kurdish. I've never encountered about 132 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 2: a patrol agent who speaks Kurdish. Right, So they would 133 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 2: have to make their claim on arrival. They could be 134 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 2: immediately rejected. They could if they fail their asylum interview, 135 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 2: they could be placed in this expedited removal process, by 136 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 2: which they wouldn't have a right to a court hearing, 137 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 2: a lawyer or translator, all those things. And the final 138 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 2: thing that they've indicated that they want to do, and 139 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 2: I think this is the most bizarre one, is that 140 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 2: they have decided that they want to mandate the detention 141 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 2: of certain migrants while their claims are adjudicated. This one, 142 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 2: it seems like obviously like a massive concession to this 143 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:36,080 Speaker 2: sort of insane Republican right wing sort of demand that 144 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 2: we criminalize all asylum seekers. 145 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:40,960 Speaker 1: And I think which I want to say something like 146 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 1: for a second about this too, because like, yeah, you know, 147 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 1: one of the ways that all this whole anti migranting 148 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:48,199 Speaker 1: has ramped up, like when I was a kid, like 149 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 1: because there was you know, I was like growing up 150 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 1: when this this first sort of like anti immigration hysteria 151 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:56,960 Speaker 1: was like ramping up. And back then the hysteria was 152 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 1: illegal immigration. It's like this stuff is all legal, Like 153 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:04,200 Speaker 1: you have the legal like these are literally people doing 154 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 1: legal immigration. Yeah, they and we're just here now where 155 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 1: it's like no, like like you try you, if you 156 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 1: attempt to come into the US legally, we are going 157 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:16,239 Speaker 1: to fucking put you in a camp. Like it's fucking insane. 158 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 1: It's like like this is shit that like even like 159 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 1: fifteen years ago, people would have been like what the 160 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:24,680 Speaker 1: fuck are you talking about. But the way that the 161 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 1: way that this has been accelerated, and this is something 162 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 1: that's you know, like the fact that Biden is fucking 163 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:30,319 Speaker 1: just like just going like oh yeah, yeah, yeah, we 164 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 1: should this is this is fine, Like we're gonna do 165 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:33,440 Speaker 1: like this is this is stuff that would have been 166 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 1: unimaginable for a Republican president in the two thousands. Yeah. Like, 167 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 1: the thing about this too is that none of this 168 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 1: would have been possible without democratic implicity. This is this 169 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:44,200 Speaker 1: is this way this system has worked this entire time. Right, 170 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 1: is the reason they called a bomb of the Deporter 171 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 1: in chief because he was the guy who could could 172 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 1: have actually turned the tide against this stuff and just 173 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 1: didn't and was just like, fuck you, We're gonna deport 174 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 1: millions of people. And that's that's how we're fucking here 175 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: with this shit over again. People who are literally coming 176 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 1: to the country legally, which is what all these people said, 177 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 1: spent all this fucking time saying you're supposed to be doing. 178 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:07,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think the claim of it by 179 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:11,199 Speaker 2: the administration is I don't fucking know, Like they want 180 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 2: people to use CBP one, right, CBP one is the 181 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 2: biggest fucking disaster in applications. I can't think of anything. 182 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 2: I don't know. It's like as bad as fucking Testa's 183 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 2: auto pilot. If Testa's auto pilot got to decide your 184 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 2: whole future, right, every single person I have met at 185 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 2: the Southern border has tried CBP one. People aren't. Like, 186 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 2: No one wants to pay someone to drive them off 187 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 2: road across the desert to a shitty hole in the 188 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 2: wall in the middle of the freezing mountain range eighty 189 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 2: miles east of here, and then to sit with their 190 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 2: children while it rains, snows, freezes and wait for one, two, 191 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 2: three nights in this shitty conditions with maybe a con 192 00:10:57,160 --> 00:10:59,079 Speaker 2: tent that we dumps to dive from a Susan g 193 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:03,200 Speaker 2: comen event, right, or maybe if they're really lucky, like 194 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:06,440 Speaker 2: a yurt that me and my friends built from palaps, right. 195 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:09,560 Speaker 2: And no one in their right mind would want to 196 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:11,199 Speaker 2: do that. These people don't want to do that. They've 197 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 2: tried fucking CBP one. Most of them who I have 198 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 2: spoken to are carrying visa rejection letters, right. They've been 199 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 2: to embassies all around the world, have just been summarily dismissed. 200 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:27,959 Speaker 2: They don't give a reason for rejecting your visa, right, 201 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 2: and they've exhausted all their options. No one wants to 202 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 2: spend their life savings and walk across the desert. It's dangerous, right, 203 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 2: but that is the only way they can do it. 204 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 2: And as you say, it is perfectly legal to enter 205 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 2: the country between ports of entry and immediately surrender to 206 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:47,559 Speaker 2: the first law enforcement agent you see to claim asylum. 207 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 2: That that is how one claims asylum when one is 208 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 2: fleeing persecution. And when we have shut the door through 209 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 2: this stupid app that only recognizes white faces and crashes 210 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:03,319 Speaker 2: all the time and isn't in most languages, and it's 211 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:05,840 Speaker 2: entirely understandable that people have taken this route. We have 212 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:09,719 Speaker 2: cooked the bottler of migration and then shaken it up 213 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 2: right for three years with the title forty two, which 214 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:17,439 Speaker 2: is this Trump era policy that co opted the COVID pandemic, 215 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 2: which they allowed to rip through large segments of the 216 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 2: United States community and pretended that by expelling migrants who 217 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 2: are protecting us. It didn't have any provisions for vaccination, 218 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 2: it didn't have any COVID testing. It was just a 219 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:32,960 Speaker 2: cynical attempt to use the pandemic. And we've seen through 220 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 2: public records request is something they've planned long in advance 221 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 2: to evict people from this country without giving them a 222 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 2: chance of an asylum hearing, and now Biden is doing 223 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 2: it without even the pretense of an excuse. Right at 224 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:50,840 Speaker 2: least Trump made up some bullshit. It was transparent. But 225 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:55,200 Speaker 2: Biden isn't even bothering to do that, and he's just 226 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 2: going to boot these people back into a place where 227 00:12:57,160 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 2: they're going to be vulnerable. I've spoken to migrants who 228 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:04,680 Speaker 2: have been abused, who have been robbed in Mexico. It's 229 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 2: it's not a safe place of vulnerable people. And the 230 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 2: more vulnerable people you put into it, they're less safe. 231 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 2: It's going to get and nor is it. Mexico's a 232 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 2: fucking problem, right, Like Henry Kissinger didn't fucking run Mexican 233 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:17,440 Speaker 2: policy and then get to live to one hundred and 234 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:20,319 Speaker 2: die in's bed, right, It's it's a lot of these 235 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:23,840 Speaker 2: countries people are coming from, they're coming from because we 236 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 2: fucked up their policy as a country. We fucked up 237 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:30,840 Speaker 2: their future, right. We we did this neoclonial thing where 238 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 2: we stole everything we thought was a value. We imposed 239 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:38,080 Speaker 2: dictators upon them when they chose socialist or more progressive regimes, 240 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 2: and then we'd split our hands up in the air 241 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 2: and said no, you can't come here to no space. Sorry, 242 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 2: And it's it's fucking inexcusable and it's imhorrent me. Do 243 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 2: you know what else is inexcusable? And abhorrent? 244 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 1: Is it the products and services that it is? 245 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:58,840 Speaker 2: Mar Yeah, yes, the products and services that we so 246 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:01,600 Speaker 2: greatly love. Oh hang on, I got something say about 247 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 2: the fucking products and services. We're doing this now because 248 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:06,680 Speaker 2: we've got time. There was an advert for Novo nordisking 249 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 2: our podcast the other day, and I just want to 250 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 2: take this opportunity to say an extra special fuck you 251 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 2: to them, because I have held in my hand as 252 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 2: a little fucking children who have died because they can't 253 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 2: afford insulin. And the reason they have died is because 254 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 2: these fucking ghouls want to extract every penny out of 255 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 2: those of us who have diabetes. So I'm sorry that 256 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 2: you heard those adverts and you won't ever again. But 257 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 2: here's some other adverts we are back without, hopefully adverts 258 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 2: for evil pharmaceutical companies. It's me and Meir, and we're 259 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 2: talking about Joe Brandon and his terrible immigration policy. So 260 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 2: the final part of this, and perhaps the most bizarre one, 261 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 2: is that the White House but mandating the detention of 262 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 2: these migrants pending their claims. The US has never had 263 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 2: enough enough detention space to do this, and we don't now. 264 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 2: It remains extremely fucking unclear how this will be done. 265 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 2: I will say that there was a big fuss made 266 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 2: me and maybe remember this that Biden was canceling private 267 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 2: prison contracts when he first came into office. Do you 268 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 2: remember his executive order on this vaguely? Yeah, yeah, I 269 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 2: think it got a lot of attention. That may have 270 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 2: specifically applied to people who are in federal criminal incarceration. 271 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 2: It's certainly never applied to people seeking asylum because those 272 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 2: people have always been detained by third party contractors like 273 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 2: cour Civic Right, and they continue to be so on 274 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 2: the the Biden administration because again right, it is seemingly 275 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 2: the implicit policy of the Democratic Party that these people 276 00:15:55,280 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 2: are of less value and have fewer rights than US 277 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 2: citizens or then people seeking permanent restudency in this country 278 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 2: through other means. 279 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 1: You know. One of the things I was, I was 280 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 1: doing this for other reasons, for not this story, but 281 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 1: I was going back through and I was reading the 282 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 1: the Democratic Party platform from twenty twenty and if you 283 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 1: go back and read the Democratic Party platform from twenty 284 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 1: twenty eight, the opening thing is them talking about the 285 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 1: like how they're they're when they're in power, they're gonna 286 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 1: do us need to dismantle structure and racism in this country? 287 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 2: Fuck me? 288 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 1: And it's like my ass, Like, and this is one 289 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 1: of these these really really sort of grim things about this, right, 290 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 1: is like the Democrats really really cynically capitalized off of, like, 291 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 1: like people's revulsion at the fucking horrible suffus doing it 292 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 1: at the border, and then they got into power, they 293 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 1: did all of the same shit, and nobody fucking cares 294 00:16:57,040 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 1: now because that's that's literally what the Democrats are there for, right. 295 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:04,119 Speaker 1: They're there to diffuse people's ability, capacity and desire to 296 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 1: resist doing the exact same fucking things Republicans are doing. 297 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:11,199 Speaker 1: And it's really effective. And the consequence of this is 298 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 1: that now we're fucking here with like trying to bring 299 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 1: fucking the same shit Trump was doing back. 300 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you're right, like so many people poured so 301 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 2: much rage and passion into like I'm sure you can 302 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:29,160 Speaker 2: remember the whole no more kids in kGy thing, Yeah, 303 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:29,640 Speaker 2: I will. 304 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 1: I will say this. I was always kind of cynical 305 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 1: about that because I remember Occupy Ice. Now, I remember 306 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 1: all those fucking liberals who told me they'd be marching 307 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:39,119 Speaker 1: in the streets just fucking abandoning us and leaving us 308 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:41,440 Speaker 1: to like deal with the fucking cops on our own. 309 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 1: So like I think, I think it is like there's 310 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:45,880 Speaker 1: been a sort of mythologization to some extent of how 311 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 1: willing people were to actually do shit it or Trump, 312 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:50,479 Speaker 1: but they sure is fuck not here under Biden. 313 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 2: So then yeah, there ain't no one in the streets 314 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:56,200 Speaker 2: saying no more kids in cages now, right, Like they're 315 00:17:56,240 --> 00:18:00,800 Speaker 2: not here for the little children I've met, you know, 316 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 2: day in day out for the last six months, who 317 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 2: are going to be detained, who might be separated for 318 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 2: their families. 319 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I want to this is kind of off 320 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:13,119 Speaker 1: topic too, but like, so this is this is a story, 321 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 1: Like at some point I'm going to do an actual 322 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:19,200 Speaker 1: episode about this. There's been I've been I've been trying 323 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:21,400 Speaker 1: to get to talk to people about this for a bit. 324 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:23,879 Speaker 1: But so there's been a whole bunch of shit with 325 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:26,159 Speaker 1: a lot of So one of the subsequent things that 326 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 1: was happening with all these people is that like the 327 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:33,160 Speaker 1: government in Texas has been like shipping them to random cities. Yes, 328 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 1: so a bunch of people have been shipped to Chicago, 329 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:38,119 Speaker 1: and it turned and there there eventually were protests here, 330 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 1: but like our fucking progressive mayor tried to have a 331 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:47,439 Speaker 1: basically a concentration camp company set up like a camp 332 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:50,679 Speaker 1: for these people on land that it turned out have 333 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 1: been a toxic waste dump and only just didn't do 334 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:58,679 Speaker 1: I I don't even think he ever backed up the 335 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:01,919 Speaker 1: a story years kind of. I think what happened, if 336 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:05,680 Speaker 1: I'm remembering correctly, is that the governor was like, like 337 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 1: pritz Crew was like, what the fuck are you doing? 338 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 1: You can't have this stuff beyond a toxic waste site. 339 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:13,920 Speaker 1: But so that's like temporarily to stopped. Like that's that's 340 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:16,359 Speaker 1: the kind of shit that's happening, like in you know, 341 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:20,480 Speaker 1: like like Brandon Johnson like nominally is one of the 342 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 1: most left wing mayors in the US, And this is 343 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:24,879 Speaker 1: what is fucking happening even in this from of the 344 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:28,199 Speaker 1: sort of progressive wing the Democratic Party, like the concern 345 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 1: like the Joe Biden conservative wing is like even worse 346 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 1: than this stuff. 347 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:39,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, and like the entire Democratic Party in so much 348 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:42,680 Speaker 2: as has and there was a time when it genuinely 349 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 2: did show up for people trying to come to this 350 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:49,359 Speaker 2: country to seek asylum at least it wouldn't. This is 351 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:51,879 Speaker 2: like the immigration system is like a ratchet and it 352 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 2: only moved to the right, and the democratic government it 353 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:59,440 Speaker 2: wouldn't move to the right. It does now. And this 354 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 2: means something. There is not an electoral option for you, right, 355 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 2: You cannot just vote if you give a single fuck 356 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 2: about innocent people living outside of this country wanting to 357 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 2: come here and be safe. You don't. There is nothing 358 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:16,960 Speaker 2: on the ballot box for you to tick that represents 359 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 2: a serious option. And that's sad. Yeah, it's a pretty 360 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 2: fucked reflection of our electoral politics. But I think it 361 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:28,359 Speaker 2: also impels us to like, look, look as someone who 362 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:30,639 Speaker 2: believes that there is not a ballot box option that 363 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 2: is going to deliver us a system with dignity and 364 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:39,720 Speaker 2: democracy and justice. Anyway, I think this is where we 365 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:42,720 Speaker 2: have to step up and do the stuff that we 366 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 2: always talk about. Like this happened a little bit in 367 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 2: twenty twenty, it happened a little bit under Trump, but 368 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 2: like now more than ever, the need to do mutual aid, 369 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 2: especially for migrants, but also for in house people within 370 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:58,920 Speaker 2: your community, for all the fucking human detritus of Joe 371 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:04,119 Speaker 2: Biden's dogshit, evenance, it's right now, and like it is, 372 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 2: as I've seen personally, within the power of a very 373 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:09,720 Speaker 2: small group of people to impact the lives of a 374 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 2: very large group of people through organizing. I've participated in 375 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:16,679 Speaker 2: mutual aid for a while. I'm sure many of the 376 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 2: people are listening have as well. But like if you, 377 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 2: if you haven't found the play or the way to 378 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:26,359 Speaker 2: do so, like it's it's a great time to start 379 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:30,920 Speaker 2: organizing something. The options in the next electoral cycle are 380 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:32,960 Speaker 2: that things get worse or that things get much worse. 381 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:37,680 Speaker 2: I don't think we have an option which is dismantling 382 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 2: the structural racism that is within the United States, or 383 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:43,719 Speaker 2: even just not punching down on some of the most 384 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:47,400 Speaker 2: vulnerable people in the world. It would appear, and so 385 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 2: to protect those people, it falls upon our communities, And 386 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 2: that's that's a big burden to shoulder, right. When the 387 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:57,640 Speaker 2: state has enough money to send one thousand pound bomb 388 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 2: state Israel, that means that we have to pay for 389 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 2: beans for hungry children. Yeah. 390 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 1: Well, And I mean the thing that this too, right 391 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:08,399 Speaker 1: is like if you if you spent the amount of 392 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 1: money that the US was spending on trying to keep 393 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:14,919 Speaker 1: Ale out of the country, on just like giving like 394 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,360 Speaker 1: if you just gave that money to the same those 395 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:19,680 Speaker 1: same people, we wouldn't be having this problem right now. 396 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 1: Like it isn't like putting people in a prison is 397 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 1: like the least cost efficient way to do possibly do anything, 398 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:29,640 Speaker 1: And it doesn't matter because the whole point of this, 399 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:31,159 Speaker 1: like and this is one of these things with this 400 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:33,119 Speaker 1: sort of ratchet, right is eventually you're gonna get to 401 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 1: fucking like you know, I mean, like the situation we 402 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:39,359 Speaker 1: have now right now in Greece where you have effectively 403 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:42,439 Speaker 1: a fascist government who's up like pot like when like 404 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 1: when when boastload boatloads of people go down to the Mediterranean, 405 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 1: like go down the Mediterraneans, every hundred people die, their 406 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:50,920 Speaker 1: popularity goes up because you know, and then and this 407 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 1: is the thing you're gonna be We're gonna we're We're 408 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 1: not that far away from in the fucking US. Is 409 00:22:55,880 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 1: the Republican demand in like maybe like eight maybe ten 410 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 1: years is going to be just shooting like literally just 411 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 1: machine guns at the. 412 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 2: Border like that. This is this is this is where 413 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 2: this is fucking going, right. You haven't seen the replies 414 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:10,680 Speaker 2: to my to my posts, like when. 415 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:12,680 Speaker 1: When I when I say exa. I mean like like 416 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 1: this is gonna be the demand of the fucking House, 417 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:17,479 Speaker 1: like Republican caucus, right, like this is this is, this 418 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 1: is where this is fucking going. And the Democrats, like 419 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:21,960 Speaker 1: you know, and the Democrats will take power fucking twelve 420 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 1: years later and be like, well, we're only going to 421 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:25,639 Speaker 1: shoot some of the people at the border. People are 422 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 1: going to call this progress, right, and the only way 423 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:31,159 Speaker 1: that this can be and this this cannot be stopped 424 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 1: by voting for the Democrats. This is like you know, 425 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:36,960 Speaker 1: and like people people thought this about Obama, and people 426 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:38,680 Speaker 1: also thought this about Biden, was that we're going to 427 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 1: vote for these people because they're going to be good 428 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:44,359 Speaker 1: on immigration, and like this is the reason why we're 429 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:47,440 Speaker 1: fucking are where we are now. So so like there 430 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 1: there there there is no solution to this that doesn't 431 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:56,159 Speaker 1: revolve around like fundamental systemic change to what the US is, 432 00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,679 Speaker 1: because otherwise we're just going to every single fucking year, 433 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 1: we're gonna back here. 434 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. Talking of being back here, we needed a second 435 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:08,400 Speaker 2: advertising pivot. I think right there there are two mid 436 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:12,159 Speaker 2: roles in these Yeah. Yeah, so we are back here 437 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:15,719 Speaker 2: once again lamenting the fact that we have to introduce 438 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:28,399 Speaker 2: these adverts for you here. You are all right, and 439 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 2: we have returned to lament the big fine of the 440 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,639 Speaker 2: United States. I wanted to talk briefly about what Title 441 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 2: forty two does to migration flow. Right. As many of 442 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 2: you will be aware, Donald Trump has built a big, 443 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:43,400 Speaker 2: beautiful wall along the southern border of the United States. 444 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 2: The caveat to that being only some of it, and 445 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 2: that they didn't do the hard parts. Right. So the 446 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:52,720 Speaker 2: places in Hokombo where people are entering are gaps in 447 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:56,960 Speaker 2: the war. Right. There are camps at three of these gaps, 448 00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:00,440 Speaker 2: spread over about a fifteen mile area. There are apps 449 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:02,920 Speaker 2: all up and down the wall, right, And you'll very 450 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,879 Speaker 2: often see people saying, oh, you couldn't climb this war. 451 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:07,439 Speaker 2: Doesn't matter. You just walk along until you find a 452 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 2: gap and get through. You also can climb the war. 453 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 2: We've seen people climb the war. We've seen people cut 454 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 2: it with angle grinders. Right. But what happens with Title 455 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,720 Speaker 2: forty two. What happens right now, under what's called Title 456 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,959 Speaker 2: eight of the United States Immigration Law, people enter the 457 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:24,639 Speaker 2: country through a gap in the wall, and they wait, 458 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,440 Speaker 2: and they surrender to a border patrol agent and say 459 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:29,280 Speaker 2: I'm here to claim the silent, right, and then they 460 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:31,640 Speaker 2: end up in these open air detention sites in Cucumber, 461 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:35,119 Speaker 2: et cetera. What happens on a title forty two is 462 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 2: that if you think you're going to be bounced directly 463 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 2: back to Mexico and you believe that you aren't safe there, 464 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:44,359 Speaker 2: you attempt to avoid border patrol, right, and so you 465 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,320 Speaker 2: go to the places where they're going to be watching 466 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:49,840 Speaker 2: these gaps in the war one would issue. So you 467 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,480 Speaker 2: go to the furthest places, and the hardest places and 468 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:54,959 Speaker 2: the highest places, in the most rugged places, right, and 469 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:58,680 Speaker 2: you try and walk through those routes. Instead, you try 470 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:00,720 Speaker 2: and walk through, for instance, value the Moon, which is 471 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,000 Speaker 2: just to the east of the Cumber, where just last 472 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:04,879 Speaker 2: week some of my friends are involved in the search 473 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:07,160 Speaker 2: and rescue operation for a four year old child who'd 474 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:11,199 Speaker 2: become separated from their family coming from Afghanistan, and then 475 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:16,119 Speaker 2: they found that child, fortunately, but fucking no one else 476 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,440 Speaker 2: would have done if they hadn't been there, right, Yeah, 477 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 2: the result of this is that people will die in 478 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,280 Speaker 2: greater numbers crossing our body. And that's what we saw 479 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:28,359 Speaker 2: rounder title forty two under Trump, and it's what we 480 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:32,480 Speaker 2: saw in title forty two and Biden because there was 481 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 2: that like I have attended that you've heard about on 482 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 2: this podcast and the ones that I haven't and that 483 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:39,960 Speaker 2: you haven't heard about on this podcast are not going 484 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:44,119 Speaker 2: to stop because Joe Biden offered a concession to the Republicans, 485 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:48,720 Speaker 2: they will keep happening. The poverty that we have created 486 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:50,439 Speaker 2: in much of the world is not going to stop. 487 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:54,639 Speaker 2: It will keep happening. Transphobia a thing that we have 488 00:26:54,800 --> 00:27:00,200 Speaker 2: exported culturally. That's on Britain too, which I definitely. 489 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 1: It's a a colla It's been a collaborative effort between. 490 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:09,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what a special relationship is about it. JK. 491 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:10,720 Speaker 2: Rowling and Temple. 492 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,000 Speaker 1: If the French are also complicit in this too, they're 493 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:15,560 Speaker 1: not getting sucking off the hook for this ship. 494 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is not the pubcast that it's fronts off 495 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:19,080 Speaker 2: the hook for anything. 496 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,880 Speaker 1: But but you know, like I mean, this is something 497 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:25,959 Speaker 1: I think you're getting at too. But like we in 498 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:30,960 Speaker 1: large part, like the US and the UK, are responsible 499 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,359 Speaker 1: for why schensphobia is as bad as it is in 500 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,680 Speaker 1: Mexico right now, which is it is so much more 501 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 1: like as bad as it is to be trans in 502 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:40,840 Speaker 1: the fucking us. It is so much worse in Mexico. 503 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:46,920 Speaker 1: Like the odds of you being killed are indescribable. Even 504 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:50,399 Speaker 1: if you're not fucking killed, there's you know, like, well 505 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,919 Speaker 1: this is actually like the one of the episodes next 506 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:56,399 Speaker 1: or what week will that be? The week after next, 507 00:27:56,800 --> 00:28:00,719 Speaker 1: Like I'm gonna we're gonna replay the epithet, like the 508 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:04,359 Speaker 1: interviews that I did with Mexican trans organizers talking about 509 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 1: the turfs there because they are armed and they will 510 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:10,920 Speaker 1: fucking like actually they will attack people. 511 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:17,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's they United Nations because yeah, it's bleak. 512 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,960 Speaker 2: The UN says that life expectancy for trans people in 513 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:23,720 Speaker 2: Central America is thirty five or less. Right, that's a 514 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:28,560 Speaker 2: di am older than that. That is abhorrent. Right, that 515 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:34,879 Speaker 2: you are extremely likely to die young if you are 516 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 2: transit in places not so far from here, right, And 517 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,239 Speaker 2: I think that's what I want to get it. And 518 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:44,840 Speaker 2: it's the fundamental conceit of this whole thing is that 519 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:50,120 Speaker 2: border policy doesn't change migration. Migration happens because people aren't 520 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,400 Speaker 2: safe where they are, and that's why they leave. They 521 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 2: don't take this journey because it seems easy. Because even 522 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 2: right now it's incredible hard. People walk thousands of miles, 523 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 2: they walk across mountains, they run, and they take risks 524 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:10,520 Speaker 2: and hop on trains. They get extorted, they get robbed, 525 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:16,880 Speaker 2: that they get assaulted. Young women often get sexually assaulted. Like, 526 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 2: it's a terrible and dangerous journey, and people won't stop 527 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:26,160 Speaker 2: taking that journey because Joe Biden decided to do something different. 528 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 2: The things that are driving them to leave their homes 529 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 2: will still keep happening, and they will now have to 530 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:37,840 Speaker 2: take a more dangerous journey. And all that this does 531 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:40,840 Speaker 2: is make it more likely that there's people will die 532 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 2: on the way here, or that when they get here, 533 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,760 Speaker 2: they have to live their whole lives always wondering if 534 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:49,080 Speaker 2: they're going to get sent back, right, never really feeling safe. 535 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:53,800 Speaker 2: It rubs people of what some of us can take 536 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:56,040 Speaker 2: for granted, right, which is being able to go to 537 00:29:56,040 --> 00:30:00,480 Speaker 2: sleep at night and feeling safe. And yeah, that's I 538 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,960 Speaker 2: guess what we all voted for when we chose an 539 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 2: anti fascist guy in twenty twenty. Like, it's a pretty 540 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 2: fucking bleak vision of politics in this country and the 541 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,160 Speaker 2: impact I have for people who don't get a choice 542 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:14,120 Speaker 2: to vote in this country. 543 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:19,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's you know, it is a it 544 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:23,560 Speaker 1: is it is a functional, definitional totalitarian regime, and it 545 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 1: will never be fucking described as that by the academics 546 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:29,000 Speaker 1: who fucking use this language. But you know, how how 547 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:32,400 Speaker 1: how else do you describe living in a condition where 548 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:34,959 Speaker 1: you can at any point be removed and are spending 549 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 1: literally all your time attempting to flee a police date, Like, yeah, yeah, 550 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,480 Speaker 1: the US, the US is and has always been an 551 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:46,960 Speaker 1: unbelievably authoritarian state, and it's getting more so fucking every day. 552 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:49,560 Speaker 1: And you know, and this is also one of these 553 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 1: things where it's like, I mean, we literally saw this 554 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,240 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty, the people who got sent in to 555 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:59,000 Speaker 1: put down the uprising in Portland. It was fucking Bortac, right, 556 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:00,600 Speaker 1: it was. It was it was the the it was 557 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:04,440 Speaker 1: it was it was the border patrols like special forces units, right, Like, 558 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,920 Speaker 1: that's that's the inevitable logic of this state, is that 559 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,320 Speaker 1: you any person who wants to resist the state, eventually 560 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 1: one day these people will fucking come for you too. 561 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:18,280 Speaker 1: And the question is whether you know, it's whether you 562 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:22,720 Speaker 1: start Because Vortec didn't win, really and like the stuff 563 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:23,960 Speaker 1: that they were trying to do in twent like they 564 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:27,640 Speaker 1: they basically kind of got beaten, but you know they're 565 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,040 Speaker 1: still there. They're still getting fucking money like they're getting 566 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,280 Speaker 1: I mean to give more money. Yeah, So you know, 567 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 1: either either we stop them now before they fucking have 568 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:39,239 Speaker 1: another trillion dollars to spend on this shit, or you know, 569 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,040 Speaker 1: we fight them again in like five years when there's 570 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:43,400 Speaker 1: more of them and they're better funded. 571 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:47,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. And like, the final thing I'll say with regard 572 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,440 Speaker 2: to that finding is, maybe you're meeting your family over 573 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:51,800 Speaker 2: the holidays, right, Maybe hanging out with people he don't 574 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:56,440 Speaker 2: often hang out with, even if you don't care about 575 00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,560 Speaker 2: you know that their mother bringing her baby from Chino 576 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:04,400 Speaker 2: in to hear who I met last night, Right, even 577 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:08,080 Speaker 2: if that doesn't bother you and you're so somehow heartless 578 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:11,560 Speaker 2: so that you don't care. I will say that, like 579 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:15,200 Speaker 2: every single time we put more money into border security 580 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,520 Speaker 2: to ends up with all of us being surveiled more. 581 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,840 Speaker 2: If you attended a protest in twenty twenty, you might 582 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:24,120 Speaker 2: have been surveiled by border patrol. Right. If you walk 583 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,800 Speaker 2: around in the desert where I live, you're probably being 584 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,320 Speaker 2: surveiled by border patrol. If you use your cell phone 585 00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:32,800 Speaker 2: without encryption, you might be being surveiled at the border. Right, 586 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:38,000 Speaker 2: the companies, many of them are based in the US 587 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,720 Speaker 2: and with them based in Israel that are surveilling Palestinians 588 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,640 Speaker 2: are the same ones that are surveiling us at our border. 589 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:48,240 Speaker 2: And this will come back to bite you at the ass. 590 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:50,600 Speaker 2: In the ass. This will come back to bite you 591 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,680 Speaker 2: in the ass, even if you don't care about migrants, 592 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:57,280 Speaker 2: because the moment you are not in lockstep with the government, 593 00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:01,520 Speaker 2: you become a potential victim of that surveillance. Right, and 594 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,880 Speaker 2: a big thing with undocumented immigration is it essentially makes 595 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:09,040 Speaker 2: you a legible and therefore untaxable to the government. Right. 596 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:13,160 Speaker 2: What the government state at its very core want people 597 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,240 Speaker 2: to be is legible and taxable and accountable. If you 598 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:19,080 Speaker 2: think that it isn't going to bounce back on trans folks, 599 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:23,600 Speaker 2: right and making them specifically lon binary folks too. Right, 600 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:25,720 Speaker 2: like the idea that you don't have a box to 601 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:27,480 Speaker 2: tick on a form, and that makes you harder to 602 00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:31,440 Speaker 2: be legible and statistically quantifiable by the government. All of 603 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,960 Speaker 2: this will come back and hurt you. Even if you're 604 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:36,200 Speaker 2: just a super right wing libertarian who doesn't want to 605 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:40,240 Speaker 2: pay their taxes like this, border security is a thing 606 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:45,120 Speaker 2: that will eventually be used against you, and I don't 607 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:48,680 Speaker 2: think it's in any of our interests to just keep 608 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:50,880 Speaker 2: handing these tools to the state that end up being 609 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:54,520 Speaker 2: used against the most desperate people in the world. And 610 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:59,040 Speaker 2: so hopefully I know there's no one you can fucking 611 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:02,720 Speaker 2: vote for to change the Yeah, yeah, you can feel 612 00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:06,560 Speaker 2: free to write your legislators. I have been on the 613 00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:09,759 Speaker 2: phone to my legislators about individual cases of people who 614 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,080 Speaker 2: I care about very deeply, who are in a very 615 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:17,000 Speaker 2: grave amount of danger and they haven't done shit. So 616 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,719 Speaker 2: instead I go to the border and I build shelters, 617 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:23,440 Speaker 2: add of pallettes and tops for people because it's the 618 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:25,960 Speaker 2: only thing that makes me feel like I'm not completely 619 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,200 Speaker 2: fucking powerless. And so if you want to take that 620 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,839 Speaker 2: paradynamic back, you know, cook some beans, make some rice, 621 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:37,080 Speaker 2: buy some tops with your holiday money, and go out 622 00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:38,759 Speaker 2: there and start doing mutual aid. You don't even have 623 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,239 Speaker 2: to go on x dot com or Reddit to do it. 624 00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,200 Speaker 2: Just fucking go out and start helping people. You'll find 625 00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:46,359 Speaker 2: other people who want to help. You can organize, and 626 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,319 Speaker 2: it's about the only way I can see that you 627 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:49,919 Speaker 2: can make things meaningfully better right now? 628 00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:55,879 Speaker 1: Yeap, Yeah, I think that's a good message to end on. 629 00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,360 Speaker 2: Yeah it is. If you want to give your money 630 00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:04,760 Speaker 2: to my a little mutual laid gang of wonderful people, 631 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:07,719 Speaker 2: you can go to go fundmeed dot com, slash Hercumber, 632 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:11,799 Speaker 2: hyphen migrant hyphen camps he cumber is JA c U, 633 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:15,080 Speaker 2: N b A. But you can also keep it. 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