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Speaker 1: It is Memorial Day. This is the Jesse Kelly Show.

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Speaker 1: I am Jesse Kelly and we are doing a different

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Speaker 1: kind of a show today. As you know, the Jesse

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Speaker 1: Here's their towns. Well, there's a town that was relatively

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Speaker 1: abandoned and bombed out. The Marines have to clear it out. Well,

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Speaker 1: I'm to prepare what it'll buy you. They had artillery

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Speaker 1: sighted in on the town. They waited for the Marines

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Speaker 1: all over the place. And now, I mean, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: talk a lot today about some harsh realities of war. Okay,

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Speaker 1: let's just be very frank about that. As you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm very direct. Obviously, the show's a bit light normally

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Speaker 1: and fun, but I'm very direct. There's another part of war.

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Speaker 1: They don't make movies about it, and it's going to

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Speaker 1: be really difficult to hear, but let's honor them and

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Speaker 1: hear it anyway. Hang on, I'll tell you. Captain Mitchell S.

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Speaker 1: Lane Air Force Vietnam Michigan Action nineteen sixty nine, South Vietnam.

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Speaker 1: Lance Corporal Wesley J. Canning, USMC Iraq killed in Iraq,

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Speaker 1: World War two Kia Philippines. Be careful out there being

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Speaker 1: Pfc James Edwards Tobin, USMC, Korean War nineteen fifty three,

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Speaker 1: have many more I will get to on The Jesse

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Speaker 1: Kelly Show on a very special Memorial Day edition of

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Speaker 1: The Jesse Kelly Show, as we read the names of

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Speaker 1: our fallen, as we read the story of Saipan, and

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Speaker 1: some specific heroes I will get to at the end

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Speaker 1: of the story from Saipan. I have three different guests

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Speaker 1: coming up today, guests who've lost men in combat, and

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Speaker 1: they will talk about them later on. Again, I realized

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Speaker 1: today as a bit of a your show than we

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Speaker 1: normally do. To put it mildly, we laugh a lot

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Speaker 1: on my show, make a lot of jokes, do a

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Speaker 1: lot of that kind of stuff. Not today today. I

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Speaker 1: a day people normally take off. I feel like I

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Speaker 1: have an obligation to do a show a Memorial Day.

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Speaker 1: I will do one every single year, and I feel

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Speaker 1: like we have an obligation as a nation to talk

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Speaker 1: because that's who we will become. Whoever we revere as

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Speaker 1: a nation, that's who we will become. I guarantee you that.

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Speaker 1: Back to our story. In Saipan, they make movies about

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Speaker 1: men charging pill boxes and throwing grenades in. They make

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Speaker 1: movies about men taking over a machine gun after the

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Speaker 1: crew has been wiped out and slaughtering a bunch of people.

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Speaker 1: They make movies about fighter pilots with their perfect jaws

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Speaker 1: and blowing other planes out of the sky and inspirational music.

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Speaker 1: What they don't make movies about. Those are oftentimes the

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Speaker 1: things that haunt men forever. Saipan had a couple of

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Speaker 1: things that haunted men forever. One again, it was a

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Speaker 1: Japanese island, not the one they'd just taken. They had

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Speaker 1: it there, so there were civilians already on the island. Well,

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Speaker 1: the Japanese were look as you know, I'm a huge

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Speaker 1: fan of Japan. I just am. I think the culture

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Speaker 1: is really cool. I think the people are really cool.

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Speaker 1: I think that I think the architecture is really cool.

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Speaker 1: The food's amazing. I've been there, you know. I love

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Speaker 1: the place. I admit that I've been open about my

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Speaker 1: pro Japanese bias. Some of their conduct during World War

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Speaker 1: Two is indefensible. Indefensible. I understand it's a different culture.

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Speaker 1: I don't care. They would take civilians, women and kids

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Speaker 1: and they would drag them into caves with them. The

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Speaker 1: soldiers would their own civilians, women and kids, and they

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Speaker 1: would use them as human shields. So we wouldn't fire

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Speaker 1: a flamethrower in there or throw a grenade in there.

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Speaker 1: And there are stories, I mean that just tore our

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Speaker 1: guys to bits. It's hard for me to even relay

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Speaker 1: the story to you on the radio, because you know

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Speaker 1: how committed I am to always doing a show you

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Speaker 1: can listen to with your kids. There are stories of

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Speaker 1: the Japanese soldiers killing Japanese kids because they're making too

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Speaker 1: much noise. And when you're the American troops, when you're

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Speaker 1: an American marine, when you're an American Army guy and

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Speaker 1: you have to clear these caves out, you know, you

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Speaker 1: don't have the option of walking by one and saying,

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Speaker 1: oh gosh, it's way too deep and dark, let's just

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Speaker 1: let's move on. That's no, you can't allow them behind you.

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Speaker 1: It must be clear, and there are civilians in there,

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Speaker 1: and you can't. You can't just run in there and

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Speaker 1: try to negotiate with them. They'll just keep killing your guys.

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Speaker 1: You have to pull that pin on that grenade and

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Speaker 1: throw it in there anyway, and when you walk in

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Speaker 1: there afterwards, and you have to see that that's stuff

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Speaker 1: that never leaves you. These guys talked about it until

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Speaker 1: they're old, old days. These are the things our men

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Speaker 1: went through on Saipan. It's unspeakably even think about. Finally, Japan,

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Speaker 1: by the way, on this island, they sent waves of tanks,

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Speaker 1: but they were Japanese tanks, and Japanese tanks sucked. Japan

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Speaker 1: had a lot of really great things at the beginning

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Speaker 1: of the war. Tanks weren't one of them. And they

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Speaker 1: didn't get any better. Their tanks sucked. So they send

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Speaker 1: in this huge tank attack along with a big human

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Speaker 1: wave with it. America annihilates them. And what's happening is

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Speaker 1: we're having to inch our way through the island. The

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Speaker 1: Japanese are constantly killing our guys behind enemy lines because

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Speaker 1: they don't have any regard for they don't have any

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Speaker 1: intention on survival in fact, they don't want to survive.

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Speaker 1: They know they're going to die on this island, so

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Speaker 1: they'll do things in the jungle, like sneak through our

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Speaker 1: lines and get back to our medical tents where we

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Speaker 1: have guys who are laying down, many sick, many wounded.

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Speaker 1: And I think about those guys. I think about laying

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Speaker 1: there wounded or suffering through malaria. They all got malaria

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Speaker 1: several times and dysenterry and just laying their suffering an

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Speaker 1: attent in Saipan at night, away from home, and I

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Speaker 1: think about waking up to a Japanese soldier standing over,

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Speaker 1: Are you ready to plunge a bayonet into you? And

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Speaker 1: that's how our boys ended their lives. That's how I mean,

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Speaker 1: look around you, the things we have, it's because guys

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Speaker 1: died like that for it. Now I do think about them.

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Speaker 1: So it was horrible fighting, absolutely horrible fighting, and horrible

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Speaker 1: for them too. Obviously, Japanese conduct, as I already pointed

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Speaker 1: out during World War Two, doesn't lend them to be

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Speaker 1: really sympathetic figures. It's hard to look at the Japanese

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Speaker 1: soldier in World War two and go, ah, man, that

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Speaker 1: poor guy. But we do lose sight of the fact,

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Speaker 1: because you'd like to make your enemy out to be

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Speaker 1: some superhuman demon monster, we lose sight of the fact.

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Speaker 1: They were starving to death. Two and they would do

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Speaker 1: things like hide in the cane fields because they thought

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Speaker 1: we would just walk into the cane fields and they

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Speaker 1: would get some of our guys in the cane fields.

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Speaker 1: That's rural tall grass by the way. Well, we figured out, well,

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Speaker 1: I'm not walking in the canes. I'll just burn the

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Speaker 1: whole thing down with them inside of it. And we did.

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Speaker 1: We would like cane fields on fire, and then we

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Speaker 1: would just stand outside of it and wait for them

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Speaker 1: to come out the other side. This is what our

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Speaker 1: guys were going through. Eventually. There is something called the

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Speaker 1: Battle of the Philippine Ski or Philippine Ski, the Battle

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Speaker 1: of the Philippines Sea, and it is a you know,

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Speaker 1: not to get two sidetracked off the actual Battle of Saipan,

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Speaker 1: but it's something we should probably talk about when it

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Speaker 1: comes to economies and why economies matters so much as

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Speaker 1: far as supporting your military. You see, the Battle of

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Speaker 1: the Philippines Sea had a name for it. These are

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Speaker 1: the Marianna Islands. They called it the Great Marianna's Turkey SHOOTE.

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Speaker 1: Why did they call the Battle of the Philippine. See

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Speaker 1: that it's a huge naval battle, right Japan versus America. Well,

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you why in just a second. Then we'll

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Speaker 1: try to wrap up our Battle of Saipan and talk

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Speaker 1: about some more heroes. It is the Jesse Kelly Show.

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Speaker 1: It is a Memorial Day special. Let's honor them today.

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Speaker 1: This is a Jesse Kelly Show. This is a Jesse

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Speaker 1: Kelly Show. Joseph Starr US Army, KIA nineteen eighteen and

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Speaker 1: Normandy Russian Immigrant Corporal Anthony Durham USMC KIA, Korea Specialist,

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Speaker 1: Jared Lalier Army KIA, Afghanistan. Sergeant Eugene Harold Warren World

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Speaker 1: War Two KIA nineteen forty four. Sergeant Jamie Gonzo Gonzalez

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Speaker 1: KIA twenty eighteen, SP five, Mickey Louis Wilson, Chief one

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Speaker 1: Officer three Brian hornsby Caleb A. Nelson, KIA, Afghanistan, Ied,

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Speaker 1: Jared W. Kuba Sack Army KIA, Iraq two thousand and five.

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Speaker 1: I ed. It is the Jesse Kelly Show. Here on

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Speaker 1: Memorial Day, as we honor the fallen today. Just a reminder.

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Speaker 1: I will open every segment today reading the names you

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Speaker 1: have set me of friends or family members who have

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Speaker 1: died for this country. Another reminder, it is not Veterans Day,

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Speaker 1: it is not Police Officers Day, Firefighters Day, first responders Day.

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Speaker 1: I understand out of the goodness of your heart, because

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Speaker 1: you're a good person. You want to do that thing.

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Speaker 1: Let's honor the following and thank our veterans and cops.

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Speaker 1: It's school teacher. This is a day about people who

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Speaker 1: died overseas, and it's about nobody else. They deserve to

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Speaker 1: have their day unwatered down. That's what today is. We

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Speaker 1: have Braxton McCoy, by the way, coming up next about

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Speaker 1: fifteen minutes from now. He is a man who got

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Speaker 1: himself blown up, friend of mine. He wrote an excellent

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Speaker 1: book called The Glass Factory about his time in Iraq.

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Speaker 1: I would highly recommend it. He's gonna come on the

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Speaker 1: radio about fifteen minutes talk about two friends he lost

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Speaker 1: over there. Give their names, give their story, because this

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Speaker 1: is a day we remember the fallum and let's hope

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Speaker 1: we can live lives that honor their memory. Back to

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Speaker 1: the story of Saipan. I can't guarantee I will finish

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Speaker 1: this story this segment. If I don't, I'm gonna have

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Speaker 1: to wrap it up after I get to Braxton McCoy.

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Speaker 1: And then I have three different heroes from Saipan I'm

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Speaker 1: going to talk about specifically, and then we'll continue to

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Speaker 1: talk about names you've sent me and things they went through.

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Speaker 1: This is a day about the fallen Now the Battle

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Speaker 1: of the Philippine Sea, or the Great Marianna's Turkey Shoot,

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Speaker 1: depending on how accurate you want to be, was simply

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Speaker 1: this Again, Saipan was not a small deal to Japan.

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Speaker 1: It was part of their inner defensive, inner defense perimeter.

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Speaker 1: It was considered the Emperor's jewel. They had to keep

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Speaker 1: this island. They had to so Japan, and yet another

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Speaker 1: Hail Mary passed. Besides, we have to do something to

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Speaker 1: punch through their naval wall so we can get reinforcements

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Speaker 1: and supplies to our men on Saipan. Otherwise we're going

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Speaker 1: to lose them all. Now, they sent their navy, they

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Speaker 1: sent a gigantic navy. But besides submarines, and we'll get

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Speaker 1: to that in a moment, naval ships in World War

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Speaker 1: Two didn't necessarily shoot each other all that much. Don't

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Speaker 1: get me wrong. It happened, and there were big naval battles.

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Speaker 1: What I'm trying to say is, if it was during

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Speaker 1: the day, what you really wanted was your planes attacking

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Speaker 1: their ships. Why, Because I can send my planes to

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Speaker 1: attack your ships when you're out of range of me.

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Speaker 1: I love shooting them when they can't shoot me. That's

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Speaker 1: just good fun. So in World War Two in the Pacific,

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Speaker 1: naval battles were oftentimes simply plane battles out in the sea.

636
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 1: Japan sent this huge navy, five hundred planes to go

637
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:15,799
Speaker 1: sink the American fleet that was supporting the army and

638
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 1: Marines on Saipan. They launched their planes and their planes

639
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 1: simply got massacred by ours. Why did that happen, Well,

640
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 1: a couple of different reasons. One, remember something about your economy.

641
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 1: As long as we're talking about Memorial Day, your economy

642
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:45,479
Speaker 1: is a nation. It's the difference between life and death

643
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 1: for your soldiers lots at the time. You want to

644
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:52,800
Speaker 1: know why by June nineteen forty four we were simply

645
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 1: slaughtering their pilots. It was it was a joke. Well,

646
00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:00,320
Speaker 1: we had superior planes. We were churning out by the hundred,

647
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 1: and we had superior pilots. Japan had excellent planes, excellent

648
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:12,399
Speaker 1: planes at the start of the war, and eventually their

649
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 1: economy could not support any advancement in plane technology. Their

650
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 1: economy also couldn't produce as many planes as ours, could

651
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 1: not even close. And there was another thing that hurt

652
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 1: Japan too. You remember the whole Beshido code. No retreat,

653
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 1: no surrender, never give up. Look, that's a really cool thing,

654
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 1: right to a point, it's a really cool thing. You

655
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 1: I mean, do you get the Spartan three hundred. I'd

656
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 1: rather die, come home, come home with your shield or

657
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:46,360
Speaker 1: on it. That kind of thing sounds awesome. It's you

658
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 1: make movies about that guy, unless you're talking about pilots,

659
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:54,879
Speaker 1: and you never let them come back. Japanese pilots were

660
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 1: never taken out of the field. They had all these

661
00:45:57,800 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 1: great pilots at the beginning of the war, with all

662
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 1: these great experience, and they left them all out in

663
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 1: the field until they died. By the time we're at

664
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 1: June nineteen forty four, when we're talking about American pilots

665
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:12,880
Speaker 1: who now have hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of hours

666
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 1: in the cockpit. Most of them have real fighting time.

667
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 1: They're going up against what essentially is students in the

668
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 1: Japanese Army. They had no chance against our guys whatsoever.

669
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:30,959
Speaker 1: They sent their five hundred planes over. We shot down

670
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 1: three hundred of them on the first day, and then

671
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:37,719
Speaker 1: we had our submarines firing torpedoes into the sides of

672
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:41,359
Speaker 1: their aircraft carriers. And then we sent our planes over

673
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 1: to go finish them off, and their planes were they

674
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:47,760
Speaker 1: couldn't do anything to slow ours down. Now our planes

675
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 1: are flying unimpeded, bombing their ships to the bottom of

676
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 1: the Pacific Ocean. Just want to just take a brief

677
00:46:56,080 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 1: moment and remind you and economy supports a military, not

678
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 1: the other way around. Your economy saves lives. Back to

679
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 1: Saipan on the ground, that was the Battle of the

680
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 1: Philippine Sea. We are now eight days into the Battle

681
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 1: of Saipan. We have the airfield in general. Remember when

682
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 1: on this island hopping campaign we're doing through the Pacific,

683
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 1: the idea is not simply to hop island to island

684
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:29,799
Speaker 1: to island because we enjoy the names of them. The

685
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:34,400
Speaker 1: idea was this, we wanted air fields. We wanted to

686
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:37,759
Speaker 1: take this airfield, which would allow us to bomb the

687
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 1: next island with airplanes from that airfield. And then that

688
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 1: airfield will get us closer to that airfield. And we're

689
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 1: trying to hop our airplanes towards Japan so we can

690
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:53,879
Speaker 1: start bombing Japan. That's what we want to do. We

691
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:58,319
Speaker 1: want to put Tokyo and Hiroshima and Nagasaki and the

692
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 1: other major cities in pan We want to put them

693
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 1: under constant threat of bombardment. Remember something too, Remember what

694
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 1: this looks like on the back end. And Japan knows

695
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 1: this Japanese architecture, which I already talked about. There's a

696
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 1: lot of paper, a lot of wood. We fire bombed Tokyo.

697
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 1: Everyone knows about Hiroshima, Nagasaki. Did you know we killed

698
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 1: one hundred thousand people in Tokyo with day palm. We

699
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 1: burnt the city to the ground. Japan knows that's at

700
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 1: stake as we're island hopping. That's why we're taking airfield

701
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 1: after airfield after airfield. Now, we finally took the airfield

702
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 1: in Saipan, and it's a good thing we did because

703
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 1: the fighting still wasn't done yet. We're gonna go to

704
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Speaker 1: Braxton McCoy. We're gonna take a brief break in our story.

705
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:49,759
Speaker 1: Go to Braxton McCoy, and then we come back from that.

706
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Speaker 1: I will wrap up Saipan and we'll talk about nor

707
00:48:52,400 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 1: heroes next. Hang on. It is the Jesse Kelly's Show.

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Speaker 1: It is Memorial Day. This is a day where we

709
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Speaker 1: honor the fallen. We thought it would be appropriate to

710
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:32,880
Speaker 1: bring on veterans, warriors who have fought for this country

711
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 1: and have lost somebody. Remember, this is not a this

712
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 1: is not Veterans Day. It's not a day about veterans.

713
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Speaker 1: This is a day where we honor the lions who

714
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:45,759
Speaker 1: didn't get to come back, the reason you and I

715
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Speaker 1: get to breathe free. And so joining me now to

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Speaker 1: talk about that as friend of Minnie's, host of the

717
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:56,880
Speaker 1: Braxton McCoy podcast, also author of The Glass Factory, Braxton

718
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 1: first of all, go ahead and out there. Who do

719
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:02,839
Speaker 1: you want to talk about today? Who do you want

720
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Speaker 1: to honor on a Memorial Day? The two guys I'd

721
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Speaker 1: like to talk most about, or starting Adam cann and

722
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Speaker 1: Chrome mcgloughlin, Lieutenant Crome mcgloughlin. Okay, I'll talk about let's

723
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Speaker 1: talk about Sergeant Adam Cann first, okayy Sargon Cann was

724
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:24,880
Speaker 1: he was probably he was a Marines marine, you know.

725
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 1: I wasn't a marine, but we sure had a lot

726
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:29,479
Speaker 1: of respect for him. He was a hard nosed guy

727
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 1: and he had actually been stationed out at fob Hit

728
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 1: and volunteered to come to Romadi because he was bored

729
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 1: out there and he wanted to be in the fight.

730
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 1: So and I think he was on his third deployment

731
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 1: already at the time that he came out there. Yeah,

732
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Speaker 1: So he just he would get in, you know, and

733
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Speaker 1: get in the middle of anything he could. He was

734
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 1: just that kind of guy. And in fact, when he

735
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 1: when he passed away, he didn't even have to be

736
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:56,760
Speaker 1: out there. We got into an issue with the crowd

737
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 1: and he hollered at me and said, do you want

738
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:02,359
Speaker 1: me to go at my dog? And I said, yeah,

739
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:04,320
Speaker 1: it has really helped, you know. So he round he

740
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 1: was a dog handler, and ran and grab his dog

741
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:09,319
Speaker 1: and came out. And then it ended up being his

742
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 1: dog and starting Can that found a suicide bomber and

743
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:17,719
Speaker 1: as soon as his dog, Bruno got ahold of that

744
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 1: dude's arm, starting Kan tried to take him down. And

745
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:27,800
Speaker 1: then the bomb detonated and unfortunately sartin Kan passed away. Braxton,

746
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:34,319
Speaker 1: What kind of a man purposely throws himself into the

747
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 1: maw like that time and time again, like most people?

748
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 1: I mean me, I can't even wrap my mind around

749
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 1: that kind of warrior mentality? What makes a man like that?

750
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:48,400
Speaker 1: Is it? Is it his parents? Is it his country?

751
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 1: Is it is God? What is it? How? How do

752
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 1: you produce men like that? Boy? I wish I knew

753
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:58,240
Speaker 1: the answer. All I can do is guess his father

754
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:01,920
Speaker 1: was a marine and was really proud of him, so

755
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 1: I'm sure there was some of that coming up. You know,

756
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:06,399
Speaker 1: he wanted to be a Marina's whole life and all

757
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:09,400
Speaker 1: that kind of thing. But I think there's just something

758
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 1: deep in there that when you know the situation's bad,

759
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:15,799
Speaker 1: it's kind of that old send me mentality's a lot

760
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:18,839
Speaker 1: of guys have. And he just wanted to be He

761
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:20,320
Speaker 1: wanted it to be him if it was going to

762
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:23,319
Speaker 1: be somebody wanted to be him. And he was just

763
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:25,759
Speaker 1: a brave son of a gun and a darned good guy.

764
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Speaker 1: I mean, a real good man. I'm funny, That's one

765
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:31,799
Speaker 1: thing I think. Sorry, I don't mean to cut off there.

766
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Speaker 1: But I think it's it's easy too, because we talked

767
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:37,359
Speaker 1: about all these guys, about their heroism and all of that,

768
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:40,879
Speaker 1: but we forget that they were people. You know. Just

769
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:43,239
Speaker 1: like an hour before he died, he and I were

770
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:45,880
Speaker 1: sitting at my truck and he had his dog sitting

771
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:47,399
Speaker 1: on the hood of my truck and we were laughing

772
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:49,600
Speaker 1: at Iraq. He's trying to do jumping Jack's. You know.

773
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:55,879
Speaker 1: He was just a fun guy and he really loved

774
00:52:55,880 --> 00:53:00,279
Speaker 1: that dog too. Bless him, Sergeant Adam Can He his

775
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 1: name deserves to be remembered by everybody. Now, Lieutenant Colonel McLoughlin,

776
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:09,239
Speaker 1: most of my officers were completely useless, but I had

777
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 1: one or two. To this day, I would lay down

778
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:14,000
Speaker 1: and die for This guy. Sounds like a good one.

779
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:17,759
Speaker 1: Tell us about him. He was exactly that kind of

780
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:21,720
Speaker 1: guy he you know. I mean, it says a lot

781
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 1: just to be a lieutenant colonel out there with a

782
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 1: bunch of E fives and the fours and E sixes.

783
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:28,839
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the disparity in rank there. Says as

784
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 1: much about his character as anything. And from what I understood,

785
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 1: what happened was he had helped plan the mission, because

786
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:37,560
Speaker 1: of course I was in the security brief and planning

787
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 1: stuff before he went out there, and so he had

788
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:42,799
Speaker 1: helped planet. But there was another officer running it, and

789
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:44,279
Speaker 1: you know, of course I don't want to say his name.

790
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:47,879
Speaker 1: He came out because it was kind of getting harry

791
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 1: and he was listening to it on the radio. So

792
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 1: he come. He just said, you know what, I'm gonna

793
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:54,680
Speaker 1: go out there and tried to square it away. So

794
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:57,959
Speaker 1: he did. And I think, you know, that guy could

795
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:00,680
Speaker 1: have gone out of that no problem them. And you

796
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:03,359
Speaker 1: know another thing, Jesse, he came out there and he

797
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:06,400
Speaker 1: could have sat inside. We were at a compound and

798
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:08,319
Speaker 1: there was a big brick wall, and he could have

799
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:10,840
Speaker 1: sat in there and directed traffic, you know, like a

800
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 1: general or something. And that's not what he did. He

801
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:15,400
Speaker 1: walked right out that manate with the rest of us.

802
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:18,879
Speaker 1: And by this point there was like maybe ten Americans

803
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:21,840
Speaker 1: out there, and we were, you know, intermingled in a

804
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 1: crowd of like a thousand Iraqis. So it was not

805
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:27,799
Speaker 1: a great situation. And he stuck himself right out there.

806
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:30,680
Speaker 1: And I think back to that now as a father.

807
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:34,560
Speaker 1: I wasn't a father then, and I can't imagine the

808
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:38,880
Speaker 1: moral courage and character that it would take to know

809
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:41,560
Speaker 1: that you have three kids at home and you actually

810
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 1: don't have to do this, you know, and still go

811
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:46,719
Speaker 1: out there because you believe it's the right thing to do.

812
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:50,879
Speaker 1: I mean, I admire him to this day. Me too.

813
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:54,520
Speaker 1: I thank god every single day I didn't have you know,

814
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:56,879
Speaker 1: I didn't have a family, I didn't have kids when

815
00:54:56,920 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 1: I was over there in that dump. Because I don't.

816
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 1: I don't think i'd have handed it. Well, I can

817
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:02,319
Speaker 1: tell you one thing right now, I would not have

818
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:05,319
Speaker 1: handled it like Lieutenant Colonel McLoughlin. And my entire time

819
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 1: in I never served side by side with the Lieutenant

820
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:10,440
Speaker 1: colonel when it was rough. Never, I never, I never

821
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 1: saw one, right, Yeah, he was the only one I

822
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:17,800
Speaker 1: ever saw getting out there and getting after it. And

823
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:19,759
Speaker 1: this wasn't the only time he was out on a

824
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 1: lot of other other stuff, you know, going to the

825
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:25,040
Speaker 1: Government center and downtown Ramadi, you know, I mean that

826
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:27,880
Speaker 1: was a rough time to be over there. So yeah,

827
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:31,680
Speaker 1: he's the only one I ever saw do it. Braxton McCoy, everybody, Braxton,

828
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:35,719
Speaker 1: Where can people get more of your stuff? You can

829
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 1: go to Braxton mcoy dot com and pre order the book.

830
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:40,839
Speaker 1: But really I'd rather everybody just remember those guys. They

831
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:44,960
Speaker 1: starting Adam Cann and Colonel McLoughlin. How about that, Braxton McCoy,

832
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:47,440
Speaker 1: thank you so much for talking about these guys, for

833
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 1: honoring these men. They certainly deserve it. I appreciate you,

834
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:55,120
Speaker 1: my brother, all right, thanks for ever. Take care. It's

835
00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:57,960
Speaker 1: important we remember. And you're gonna hear me say that

836
00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:02,440
Speaker 1: a thousand times today, but I can't. I can't repeat

837
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 1: this enough. It's important that we remember them, just like

838
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 1: Medal of Honor Monday we do every Monday. Your culture,

839
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:12,880
Speaker 1: I mean, what culture really is. When it comes down

840
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:17,040
Speaker 1: to it, it's it's what you decide you're going to

841
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:21,920
Speaker 1: honor and what you decide you're going to shun. What

842
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:24,719
Speaker 1: you decide you're gonna this. This is what we'll celebrate,

843
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 1: and this is what we'll put down. It's important that

844
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:32,920
Speaker 1: we not only talk about how terrible the things we

845
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Speaker 1: honor now are. It's important that we hold up these

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Speaker 1: men who went over there and gave it all. Lieutenant

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Speaker 1: Colonel three Kids goes out and throws himself into it

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Speaker 1: and ends up dying. It's important we talk about that man. Not.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, it goes beyond just honoring him.

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Speaker 1: It does. It is beyond honoring him. Although that's important.

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Speaker 1: It's important for him, it's important for his family left behind.

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00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:02,600
Speaker 1: It's important that we honor men like we're honoring today

853
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 1: so the next generation can see that is what I'm

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00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:14,279
Speaker 1: supposed to be, that I'm supposed to be, Lieutenant Colonel McLoughlin.

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00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:19,520
Speaker 1: I could sit in here, nice and comfy, nice and safe.

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Speaker 1: I mean, after all, I got got kids at home, right,

857
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Speaker 1: I could sit in here, or I could go out

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Speaker 1: there and lead my men from the front. As you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm no example of what to be, but a guy

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Speaker 1: like that is. And that's why we're doing this show today.

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Speaker 1: It'll be every single year on The Jesse Kelly Show,

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Speaker 1: we will be doing a Memorial Day special. Remember, if

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Speaker 1: you have somebody who gave their life for this country,

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Speaker 1: we want them honored on Memorial Day. Email Jesse at

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Speaker 1: Jesse Kelly Show dot com. Jesse at Jesse Kelly Show

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Speaker 1: dot com. Email us your heroes. This is their day today,

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Speaker 1: not Veterans Day, Memorial Day where we honor the fallen.

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Speaker 1: All right, we have we have more. Today I realized

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Speaker 1: it's a heavier show than we normally do, not quite

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Speaker 1: as much fun and laughter and whatnot. We'll get back

871
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Speaker 1: to that on another day. This is the one day

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Speaker 1: a year where we just it's time to honor them,

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Speaker 1: all right, we got more hang on. It is the

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Speaker 1: Jesse Kelly Show. Willie Junior Hudson Army, Paul Sailor Sergeant, Iraq,

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Speaker 1: two thousand and five, Willard Sparks Sparky can In the

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Speaker 1: Third Vietnam KIA nineteen seventy, Dennis James Kerry, USMC, World

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Speaker 1: War Two KIA, Euojima, Private Douglas Payne HOWK KIA, World

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Speaker 1: War Two France, Tyler Butler, USA MP, Baghdad, Iraq, two

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Speaker 1: thousand and four. Specialist Scott Q. Larson, Junior Army KIA, Iraq,

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Speaker 1: two thousand and four. Major Andy Buyer's Green Beret KIA, Afghanistan.

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Speaker 1: Tech Sergeant John Brown Air Force KIA, Afghanistan, two thousand

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Speaker 1: and eleven. Tech Sergeant Albert Lacey COPEA, Ronald R. Payne,

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Speaker 1: Junior u SC, KIA, Afghanistan, two thousand and four. Captain

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Speaker 1: Bryan T. Kennedy, USMC, Captain Frank C. Valentine, KIA, nineteen eighteen.

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Speaker 1: These are all men who have died for this country.

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Speaker 1: It is Memorial Day. This is our show to honor them.

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Speaker 1: This is our day to honor them and remember something. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna honor them today. We're gonna honor them on

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Speaker 1: this show. I have no doubt you're gonna take time

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Speaker 1: with family or friends to have a prayer, moment of silence,

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01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:40,280
Speaker 1: something like that for them. But also remember, these are

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Speaker 1: all guys who would want you to have a good

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Speaker 1: day too. You don't have to sit around and cry

894
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Speaker 1: all day long. Go go to the pool with your family,

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01:00:49,560 --> 01:00:51,880
Speaker 1: take a long bike ride, eat a nice meal, have

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Speaker 1: won too many beers. They would want you to. They

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Speaker 1: would want you to. It's the day about that. No,

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Speaker 1: of course, not the days about them. If it's about them, though,

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Speaker 1: shouldn't we do what they would want? That's what they'd want.

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Speaker 1: Trust me, I know these guys that that's what they'd want.

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Speaker 1: Let's wrap up our story of Scipan. We've been telling

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Speaker 1: the story of Scipan today. Then we have Clay Travis

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Speaker 1: gree Beret Scout sniper or not Clay try I'm sorry,

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Speaker 1: Clay Martin, Green Beret Scout Sniper Marine Corps Ricon claim

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Speaker 1: Barton coming up next, he's gonna talk about men we've lost.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about the heroes of Scipan today. We're

907
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Speaker 1: gonna talk about more of these guys who've died. Back

908
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Speaker 1: to our story, let's finish it up. We're eight days

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Speaker 1: into Scipan. We'd taken the airfield, but we still had

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Speaker 1: a ridgeline to take a ridge line where they were

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01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:50,160
Speaker 1: dug in, and we're advancing essentially in a line across

912
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Speaker 1: the army. And then just the story of Saipan is

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Speaker 1: this there ends up being real tension between the Army

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Speaker 1: and Marines. You see, when you want to hold a

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Speaker 1: line when you're advancing, whether that be a small unit

916
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Speaker 1: or huge units. You don't want one unit to get

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Speaker 1: ahead of the other unit because then it exposes your flank.

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Speaker 1: You want to stay in a solid line, a human wall,

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Speaker 1: for lack of a better way to put it. Well, Now,

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Speaker 1: obviously I was a marine, so I'm more partial to

921
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Speaker 1: the marine mentality, the marine way of thinking. That's how

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Speaker 1: I was trained, that's how I was built. But I'm

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Speaker 1: not saying the Marines were better. That would be biased.

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying, the Marine Corps mentality in general is this,

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Speaker 1: let's advance rapidly speed kills. Are we going to have

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Speaker 1: all of our gear, all of the water, everything we need. No,

927
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Speaker 1: But we're also going to advance so rapidly they're going

928
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Speaker 1: to be off balance and on their heels. Aggression speed.

929
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Speaker 1: They hammer it into you in the Marine Corps at

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Speaker 1: all times, move fast, keep him off balance the army. Again,

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying inferior, different way of thinking in general

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Speaker 1: when it comes to that, much more likely to slowly

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Speaker 1: move forward. Let's bring all the gear up, Let's make

934
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Speaker 1: sure we're dug in right. Okay, everyone's here, everything's safe.

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Speaker 1: Let's move up again. That's not inferior. It's a lot

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Speaker 1: nicer for them in than it's just a different way

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Speaker 1: of thinking. Well, the Marine Corps general on Saipan got

938
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Speaker 1: the Army general fired because of that. Because the Marines

939
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Speaker 1: were advancing too fast. The Army kept lagging behind and

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Speaker 1: exposing the Marine Corps flank, and there ended up being

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Speaker 1: a huge inner service rivalry on Japan. Now, the fighting

942
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Speaker 1: is brutal. To put it mildly, the Japanese would routinely

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Speaker 1: I've already talked before about how they sneak behind the lines,

944
01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:53,800
Speaker 1: but they would do things like in broad daylight. They

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Speaker 1: would just hide, because you can hide in broad daylight

946
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Speaker 1: in the jungle if you don't move, and they would

947
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Speaker 1: pop up at the back of a patrol and knife

948
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Speaker 1: one of our guys before anyone knew what was happening,

949
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Speaker 1: and then everyone would turn around and shoot the guy

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01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:09,400
Speaker 1: who did it. But it was just they were trying

951
01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:17,720
Speaker 1: to cause terror. Now there is a three thousand man

952
01:04:17,840 --> 01:04:21,880
Speaker 1: bonds eye charge. They called it. The Japanese are essentially dead.

953
01:04:22,640 --> 01:04:28,520
Speaker 1: They know they're dead. Their commander organizes one final attack

954
01:04:28,600 --> 01:04:32,680
Speaker 1: where they have swords and everything else. The commander then

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Speaker 1: goes and slices open his own belly in a form

956
01:04:37,600 --> 01:04:41,520
Speaker 1: of ritualistic suicide, and then someone behind him shoots him

957
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Speaker 1: in the head and he sends his three thousand men

958
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Speaker 1: on a Bond's eye charge. And I want you to

959
01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:51,280
Speaker 1: put yourself in the fighting hole of a United States

960
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Speaker 1: marine in Saipan with three thousand fanatical Japanese charging at

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Speaker 1: you with samurai sword and bayonets in the dark, and

962
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Speaker 1: you hear the testimony of these guys. They couldn't see

963
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:08,800
Speaker 1: what they were shooting at all they could hear was

964
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Speaker 1: the screaming, and so you're just aiming into the dark,

965
01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:14,760
Speaker 1: only they make it into the fighting hole of your

966
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Speaker 1: buddy next to you, and you're listening to him die

967
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Speaker 1: and then fight. How much terror can you go through

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Speaker 1: in life? And finally, to wrap up our terrible story

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Speaker 1: of Saipan, this is the part. This is the part

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Speaker 1: if you ever talk to somebody, And there aren't many,

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Speaker 1: if any, of these Scaipan veterans left, but I had

972
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Speaker 1: the chance to talk to a lot of World War

973
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Speaker 1: two vets just during you know, the course of went

974
01:05:43,720 --> 01:05:45,400
Speaker 1: out back when I was running for Congress. I had

975
01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:46,880
Speaker 1: to do a couple of things with them and things

976
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Speaker 1: like that. And when you talk to these guys in

977
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Speaker 1: the Pacific, and if you ever talk to someone from Saipan,

978
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Speaker 1: they will talk about this moment because it's something the

979
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Speaker 1: Marines and army guys carried with them the rest of

980
01:05:57,440 --> 01:06:02,400
Speaker 1: their lives. There was a gigantic cliff there. It overlooked

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01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:04,840
Speaker 1: a bunch of rocks below and the ocean below, but

982
01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:09,160
Speaker 1: a bunch of jagged rocks below. The civilians there were

983
01:06:09,960 --> 01:06:13,800
Speaker 1: told time and again by the Japanese army that the

984
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Speaker 1: Americans would do terrible things to them if they surrendered.

985
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Speaker 1: They essentially told them, hey, the Americans are going to

986
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Speaker 1: do everything we do to prisoners if you surrender. And

987
01:06:24,680 --> 01:06:31,640
Speaker 1: so the American troops were watching as women would throw

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Speaker 1: their children off the cliff and then jump after them.

989
01:06:35,600 --> 01:06:38,240
Speaker 1: Young mothers would hold babies in their arms and jump

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01:06:38,320 --> 01:06:42,440
Speaker 1: down to both their death. And this is something that

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Speaker 1: haunted the American troops from Saipan for the rest of

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01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:47,600
Speaker 1: their lives. They would they would they would still cry

993
01:06:47,640 --> 01:06:50,760
Speaker 1: about it into their eighties and nineties. They would get

994
01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:53,000
Speaker 1: on the loudspeaker and beg them not to do it.

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01:06:53,040 --> 01:06:56,040
Speaker 1: I mean, American sensibilities are be very proud of your country.

996
01:06:56,040 --> 01:06:59,640
Speaker 1: By the way, American sensibilities, even for the most hardened

997
01:06:59,680 --> 01:07:03,200
Speaker 1: marine and soldiers in the Pacific, we don't want to

998
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Speaker 1: see women and children hurt. We can't bear the thought.

999
01:07:06,440 --> 01:07:08,360
Speaker 1: They didn't even know these women and children, and it

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Speaker 1: just ripped their hearts out. They're begging with them over

1001
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Speaker 1: the bullhorn, don't do it. We will help you. Nobody's

1002
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Speaker 1: going to hurt you. And I've talked before about horrifying

1003
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Speaker 1: Japanese conduct during the war Japan had snipers set up.

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Speaker 1: They would shoot these civilians if they didn't jump. If

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Speaker 1: you're that young mother and you get to the edge

1006
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Speaker 1: and you can't do it, you can't jump with your baby,

1007
01:07:32,040 --> 01:07:36,560
Speaker 1: you have second thoughts. Japan had snipers set up to

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01:07:36,680 --> 01:07:40,240
Speaker 1: make that decision for you. That kind of conduct is unspeakable.

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Speaker 1: That kind of conducts culture, no culture, It's indefensible. But

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Speaker 1: I promised you the story of specific heroes from Saipan.

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01:07:52,240 --> 01:07:55,440
Speaker 1: I have three different heroes I'm going to highlight for

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01:07:55,560 --> 01:07:58,960
Speaker 1: you after we go to Clay Martin. Next, Clay Martin

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Speaker 1: is coming up, Marine Scout, Sniper, Marine Ricon, and then

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01:08:02,880 --> 01:08:06,560
Speaker 1: Green Beret a lot of combat time. We're gonna talk

1015
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Speaker 1: to Clay Martin about Memorial Day, and then when we

1016
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Speaker 1: come back, we'll honor specific heroes from Saipan and we'll

1017
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Speaker 1: continue to read the names you have sent me of

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Speaker 1: the fallen. It is Memorial Day here on the Jesse

1019
01:08:18,200 --> 01:08:55,439
Speaker 1: Kelly Show. Hang on, we are back. It is the

1020
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Speaker 1: Jesse Kelly Show. Remember, if you have somebody you want

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01:08:59,439 --> 01:09:03,599
Speaker 1: honored today on this Memorial Day, you don't have to

1022
01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:07,240
Speaker 1: write some long paragraph. You're welcome to even if it's

1023
01:09:07,320 --> 01:09:10,120
Speaker 1: just a name in a rank. If you have somebody

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01:09:10,160 --> 01:09:13,240
Speaker 1: you want honored, you email it to Jesse at Jesse

1025
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Speaker 1: Kelly show dot com. And unless I run out of time,

1026
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Speaker 1: I'm going to try to read every single name of

1027
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Speaker 1: somebody who gave their life for this country joining me now,

1028
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Speaker 1: friend of mine, former Marine Corps recon Marine Corps scout

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Speaker 1: sniper and of course then he went Green Berets. My

1030
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Speaker 1: friend Clay Martin. He's also the author of Concrete Jungle.

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Speaker 1: You really might want to pick that up if you

1032
01:09:37,439 --> 01:09:39,920
Speaker 1: watch the news in this country. But setting that aside

1033
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Speaker 1: for now, Clay, men go over and they die for

1034
01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:46,000
Speaker 1: this country, pros. We're talking about them today, and we're

1035
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Speaker 1: talking about them by name. Are there any men you'd

1036
01:09:49,080 --> 01:09:52,960
Speaker 1: like to talk about today? Yeah? Yeah, I thought about

1037
01:09:52,960 --> 01:09:54,760
Speaker 1: a good one for today. You know, I've talked about

1038
01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:57,360
Speaker 1: several of my friends in the day beginnings into the

1039
01:09:57,360 --> 01:09:59,160
Speaker 1: books that kind of think so let based characters on.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about one today, Master Sergeant Ben Bittner. Uh.

1041
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Speaker 1: And it's I feel like it's a good one for

1042
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Speaker 1: this particular show because Ben was a funny guy. Therefore,

1043
01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:11,840
Speaker 1: I feel like I got to tell funny stories about

1044
01:10:12,240 --> 01:10:14,360
Speaker 1: lighten things up a little bit, even though we're talking about,

1045
01:10:14,479 --> 01:10:18,200
Speaker 1: you know, a very serious subject. So uh so Master

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Speaker 1: and Bittner, Uh he had he was a little kind

1047
01:10:22,720 --> 01:10:25,519
Speaker 1: of wiry guy. Guys comeing kind of two flavors. There's

1048
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Speaker 1: big guys, there's little guys, but the little guys are

1049
01:10:27,880 --> 01:10:32,320
Speaker 1: always like the wiry, strong like you know, crossbit looking dudes.

1050
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Speaker 1: He was one of those guys. But you know, it

1051
01:10:35,400 --> 01:10:38,720
Speaker 1: was just physical ability that Ben had that would really

1052
01:10:38,720 --> 01:10:42,599
Speaker 1: made him unique. It was moral courage, Uh, in addition

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Speaker 1: to physical card for the morals, that is what I

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Speaker 1: want to talk about first. Uh, Benn had to do

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Speaker 1: one of the hardest things there is to do in

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01:10:50,280 --> 01:10:53,000
Speaker 1: his Special Forces, which is he had to relieve his

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01:10:53,040 --> 01:10:57,639
Speaker 1: own team sergeant, which is borderline absurd and probably something

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01:10:57,640 --> 01:10:59,800
Speaker 1: that only happens in the Special Operations SPAR and he

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01:10:59,800 --> 01:11:03,200
Speaker 1: doesn't very often. But that's basically where the next senior

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01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:06,599
Speaker 1: E seven started for his class has to relieve the

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01:11:06,600 --> 01:11:12,880
Speaker 1: master sergeant over usually something like gross incompetence. But it's

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01:11:12,920 --> 01:11:15,720
Speaker 1: it's like I said, it's it's very rarely done. Uh.

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01:11:15,760 --> 01:11:18,400
Speaker 1: And it's a it's a big gamble like you that's

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01:11:18,400 --> 01:11:19,880
Speaker 1: one of those like you come into King you best

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01:11:19,880 --> 01:11:23,000
Speaker 1: not miss because normally the team sergeant is like God

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01:11:23,080 --> 01:11:28,439
Speaker 1: on a detachment. So anyway about I think it's about

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01:11:28,439 --> 01:11:30,400
Speaker 1: two thousand and nine, I'm gonna tell the story out

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01:11:30,400 --> 01:11:34,719
Speaker 1: of school here. But Ben had to relieve his team

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01:11:34,760 --> 01:11:38,400
Speaker 1: sergeant because he was over in Afghanistan. And I'm not

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01:11:38,479 --> 01:11:41,160
Speaker 1: gonna believe this, but he found out that the we

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01:11:41,200 --> 01:11:43,960
Speaker 1: have people slipped through our cracks too. Sometimes the team

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01:11:44,000 --> 01:11:48,040
Speaker 1: sergeant was actually taken the satellite phone and right hand

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01:11:48,120 --> 01:11:52,360
Speaker 1: to Jesus, calling Miss Cleo and U and making tackle

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01:11:52,479 --> 01:12:00,280
Speaker 1: decisions days tough of like so you know, the teams

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01:12:00,280 --> 01:12:02,000
Speaker 1: like they end up doing this like you know, creticy

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01:12:02,040 --> 01:12:03,960
Speaker 1: stuff and you know, been in the guy around like

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01:12:04,040 --> 01:12:06,240
Speaker 1: what and what is going on here? And they had

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01:12:06,360 --> 01:12:08,280
Speaker 1: you know, basically from like a like a like a

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01:12:08,280 --> 01:12:09,960
Speaker 1: CSI bag that to figure out what was going on,

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01:12:09,960 --> 01:12:11,559
Speaker 1: Like basically you know, hit re dial on the saffoat

1081
01:12:11,560 --> 01:12:14,840
Speaker 1: of stuff and they put it together like this is

1082
01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:19,160
Speaker 1: like the nuttiest thing that ever ever happened to anyone ever.

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01:12:20,280 --> 01:12:23,240
Speaker 1: You know, I can't imagine the poor guy having a

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01:12:23,280 --> 01:12:25,080
Speaker 1: guy having to go up to the battalion to get

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01:12:25,080 --> 01:12:28,080
Speaker 1: the other CSM to relieve the team started, like he

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01:12:28,280 --> 01:12:31,040
Speaker 1: check it out. I know that you're you know, a

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01:12:31,120 --> 01:12:33,120
Speaker 1: start major at all, but here's what one of your

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01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:36,280
Speaker 1: masters are doing right now. Like it's just, you know,

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01:12:36,360 --> 01:12:43,679
Speaker 1: that's really absurd. Hold on, he was calling miss Cleo. Now,

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01:12:43,680 --> 01:12:45,360
Speaker 1: I just want to be clear about this. He was

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01:12:45,439 --> 01:12:49,240
Speaker 1: calling miss Cleo the Psychic to figure out what have

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01:12:49,280 --> 01:12:53,439
Speaker 1: to do with his men on missions from the encrypted

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01:12:53,479 --> 01:12:58,519
Speaker 1: iridium status. He probably like probably like two thousand dollars

1094
01:12:58,560 --> 01:13:05,560
Speaker 1: a minute all Jamaica to miss Cleo. So so it's crazy.

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01:13:06,000 --> 01:13:08,000
Speaker 1: But again, you know Ben had to deal with this.

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01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:10,760
Speaker 1: It's only it's appropriate that it's been headed deals. This

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01:13:10,880 --> 01:13:14,719
Speaker 1: is a funny guy. This couldn't happen anybody else. It's uh,

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01:13:14,760 --> 01:13:17,599
Speaker 1: it's it's hilarious. And Rector was probably wasn't hilarious at

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01:13:17,600 --> 01:13:21,400
Speaker 1: the time, but he's the kind of dude he was.

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01:13:21,520 --> 01:13:24,120
Speaker 1: So he gets it done and he ends up as

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01:13:24,160 --> 01:13:26,599
Speaker 1: in the seven becoming the team starter, which is also

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01:13:26,880 --> 01:13:29,760
Speaker 1: does Big Shoes of film. Uh and you know, leading

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01:13:29,760 --> 01:13:31,400
Speaker 1: the team through the rest of the tour and uh, yeah,

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01:13:31,400 --> 01:13:35,479
Speaker 1: it's just it's it's absolutely nuts. Tell us about if

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01:13:35,560 --> 01:13:41,120
Speaker 1: you're able, tell us about Ben moving on well, so

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01:13:41,479 --> 01:13:43,880
Speaker 1: we were all in the Direct Dashing Company at the time.

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01:13:44,600 --> 01:13:46,839
Speaker 1: That's actually where I knew been from. This has already

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01:13:47,120 --> 01:13:50,120
Speaker 1: this happened where he left. Well, then a couple of

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01:13:50,200 --> 01:13:53,240
Speaker 1: years later U Ben is now a Master's sergeant. He's

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01:13:53,280 --> 01:13:56,280
Speaker 1: actually got that same team again, uh now as a

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01:13:56,280 --> 01:13:58,120
Speaker 1: as a full ranked person to take over the team.

1112
01:13:58,439 --> 01:14:01,400
Speaker 1: And he comes back through the U through the close

1113
01:14:01,439 --> 01:14:03,559
Speaker 1: quarter battle course that meet a bunch of us. Other

1114
01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:06,360
Speaker 1: guys that used to be Ben's teammates are now teaching.

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01:14:07,120 --> 01:14:09,560
Speaker 1: So there's also one of I mean obviously came to

1116
01:14:09,600 --> 01:14:11,559
Speaker 1: the Direct Action Company. He can shoot his butt off.

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01:14:12,120 --> 01:14:14,960
Speaker 1: He's he's awes about it. So we kept doing is

1118
01:14:14,960 --> 01:14:16,880
Speaker 1: that we'd be shooting bull's eyes and as soon as

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01:14:16,920 --> 01:14:19,000
Speaker 1: Been returned his back, one of us would pull our

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01:14:19,040 --> 01:14:22,080
Speaker 1: pistol out and shoot a shot over like the three

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01:14:22,160 --> 01:14:25,559
Speaker 1: ring or a couple and wait until we wanted to

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01:14:25,680 --> 01:14:28,360
Speaker 1: check scores and be like, Ben, what did you do?

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01:14:28,439 --> 01:14:30,880
Speaker 1: What happened? You maybe liked? You forget how to like?

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01:14:30,760 --> 01:14:33,479
Speaker 1: Like what is this? There's two we hold your target.

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01:14:33,880 --> 01:14:37,040
Speaker 1: And all of his guys saw us doing it, so

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01:14:37,280 --> 01:14:39,400
Speaker 1: they thought that was absolutely hilarious because he could on

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01:14:39,439 --> 01:14:42,320
Speaker 1: a normal day out shoot all of them, but you

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01:14:42,360 --> 01:14:44,160
Speaker 1: know they really like us get one over on him.

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01:14:44,960 --> 01:14:49,720
Speaker 1: But uh, anyway, so from there, Ben went on took

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01:14:49,720 --> 01:14:52,439
Speaker 1: a team back to Afghanistan for I believe his seventh

1131
01:14:52,479 --> 01:14:57,920
Speaker 1: tour and yeah, I know it's crazy, it's it's absolutely nuts.

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01:14:59,160 --> 01:15:03,639
Speaker 1: That was ornately when it happened he was killed an

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01:15:03,640 --> 01:15:10,200
Speaker 1: I d about midway through that tour, Clay, they explained

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01:15:10,200 --> 01:15:12,320
Speaker 1: to me, the type of man who goes back to

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01:15:12,439 --> 01:15:18,639
Speaker 1: Afghanistan seven times, seven times, that's that's incomprehensible for most

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01:15:18,640 --> 01:15:21,960
Speaker 1: people to go once. Who goes seven times, that means

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01:15:21,960 --> 01:15:23,760
Speaker 1: he's That means he's real listening, by the way, I

1138
01:15:23,800 --> 01:15:26,519
Speaker 1: just want everybody to know, that means he's volunteering for

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01:15:26,640 --> 01:15:31,719
Speaker 1: that pretty much. Why I you know, it just became

1140
01:15:31,840 --> 01:15:34,160
Speaker 1: like again it's it's part of the life and part

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01:15:34,200 --> 01:15:35,880
Speaker 1: of the culture. And that that's also what I mean

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01:15:35,960 --> 01:15:40,479
Speaker 1: by Ben had that unique combination of moral courage to

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01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:43,080
Speaker 1: do things he had to do in physical courage to

1144
01:15:43,160 --> 01:15:46,080
Speaker 1: keep going back over and over and over and over again.

1145
01:15:47,680 --> 01:15:51,240
Speaker 1: And he had to. It's a special breed for sure, Clay.

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01:15:51,280 --> 01:15:55,280
Speaker 1: What's something What's something you wish America could understand about

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01:15:55,280 --> 01:15:58,280
Speaker 1: these guys who died. I've been doing the whole show today,

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01:15:58,439 --> 01:16:00,880
Speaker 1: the whole Memorial Day show. I've just and saying I

1149
01:16:01,000 --> 01:16:03,240
Speaker 1: think it's important we talk about these guys, not just

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01:16:03,280 --> 01:16:05,720
Speaker 1: to honor them, although that's very important, not just you know,

1151
01:16:05,800 --> 01:16:08,360
Speaker 1: for their families to see and hear that's important too,

1152
01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:12,000
Speaker 1: But so the culture right now realizes that's what you're

1153
01:16:12,040 --> 01:16:15,120
Speaker 1: supposed to be, like, that's what you're going for, that's

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01:16:15,120 --> 01:16:20,439
Speaker 1: who you look up to. Yeah, it's uh, you know.

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Speaker 1: On one hand, I think I wish Americans understood how

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01:16:27,560 --> 01:16:33,720
Speaker 1: difficult and ugly warfare is. I think there's this illusion of, like,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, it's good guys and bad guys, and

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01:16:35,640 --> 01:16:37,559
Speaker 1: they got the uniforms, vote, we got our uniforms. Lot,

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01:16:37,600 --> 01:16:40,599
Speaker 1: the good guys always win and all this other stuff.

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01:16:41,400 --> 01:16:43,080
Speaker 1: And I mean, the fact of the matter is a

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01:16:43,080 --> 01:16:46,400
Speaker 1: lot more great than that. If things are a lot weirder,

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01:16:46,840 --> 01:16:49,160
Speaker 1: there's a lot more like and I do the right

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01:16:49,200 --> 01:16:51,960
Speaker 1: saying kind of decision making that gets made there, and

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01:16:53,280 --> 01:16:55,040
Speaker 1: you know all the other bad stuff that goes along

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01:16:55,080 --> 01:16:58,000
Speaker 1: with it. Sometimes good guys, you know, our guys, and

1166
01:16:58,160 --> 01:17:00,439
Speaker 1: there guys die for the wrong reason. They die for

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01:17:00,520 --> 01:17:03,640
Speaker 1: stupid reasons. It just it happens. It's it's kind of

1168
01:17:04,280 --> 01:17:08,360
Speaker 1: the price of doing business. But I mean it's an

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01:17:07,479 --> 01:17:12,760
Speaker 1: ugly business, and yeah, there's nothing easy about it. I mean,

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01:17:12,800 --> 01:17:15,880
Speaker 1: you know you've been there, Clay Martin, everybody, Clay, I

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01:17:15,880 --> 01:17:19,679
Speaker 1: appreciate you very much. My brother simplified, simper five brother thinking.

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01:17:22,080 --> 01:17:26,200
Speaker 1: You know, we probably don't talk enough about those guys either.

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01:17:27,520 --> 01:17:32,720
Speaker 1: I'm talking about the guys who don't die under glorious circumstances.

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01:17:33,920 --> 01:17:36,400
Speaker 1: I was. I've been reading this book lately. It's called

1175
01:17:36,760 --> 01:17:39,040
Speaker 1: Touched with Fire. It's about the war in the Pacific,

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01:17:39,720 --> 01:17:42,000
Speaker 1: and he has this one little chapter, a little section

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01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:43,840
Speaker 1: and I'm paraphrasing here as I'm just doing this off

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01:17:43,880 --> 01:17:46,639
Speaker 1: top of my head, talking about all the guys who

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01:17:46,680 --> 01:17:52,000
Speaker 1: died over there from lightning strikes or shark attacks, or

1180
01:17:52,240 --> 01:17:54,559
Speaker 1: one guy was swimming in a watering hole in the

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01:17:54,640 --> 01:17:58,240
Speaker 1: river and a crocodile took him. That guy gave his

1182
01:17:58,280 --> 01:18:01,439
Speaker 1: life for his country too. You just don't make movies

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01:18:01,479 --> 01:18:04,720
Speaker 1: about it, all right, We're not done yet. Memorial Day

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Speaker 1: here on the Jesse Kelly Show. This is the Jesse

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Speaker 1: Kelly Show. Captain Nathaniel Bradstreet shirt left Private Theodore Roosevelt Rogers, Lance,

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Speaker 1: Corporal Daniel M. Chairs Kia Iraq, two thousand and six,

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01:19:03,400 --> 01:19:08,360
Speaker 1: First Lieutenant Charles L. Charles R. Pitts Vietnam KIA nineteen

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Speaker 1: sixty seven, Pfc. Roy Scott Fisher, Vietnam KA nineteen sixty eight,

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Speaker 1: Duran Eskridge, Pfc. Edward Bradley Army, World War Two or

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Speaker 1: World War One KIA nineteen eighteen. Crople Jason Dunham Crople

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Speaker 1: Connery T. Lowry USMC KIA, Afghanistan two thousand and twelve.

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01:19:30,479 --> 01:19:36,400
Speaker 1: Ac Doodle Harris, USMC KIA nineteen forty five. John Paul

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Speaker 1: Barta Army Kia, Iraq, two thousand and six. Corporal Christopher

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01:19:41,560 --> 01:19:47,759
Speaker 1: Mimus Shearer, KIA Iraq, two thousand and seven, Keith Warner Kia, Iraq.

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Speaker 1: It is the Jesse Kelly Show. It is our Memorial

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Speaker 1: Day special today where we honor the fallen. If you

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01:19:57,320 --> 01:20:01,160
Speaker 1: missed any other part of today's show, you can catch

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01:20:01,160 --> 01:20:06,920
Speaker 1: the whole show. It's podcasted after the show's done on iHeart, Google, Spotify,

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Speaker 1: It's on iTunes. Just look for Jesse Kelly's Show. This

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01:20:11,439 --> 01:20:13,679
Speaker 1: is a different kind of a show for us today.

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01:20:13,760 --> 01:20:16,680
Speaker 1: I do not believe in taking off Memorial Day just

1202
01:20:16,760 --> 01:20:20,920
Speaker 1: because I feel like I have an obligation to honor

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01:20:20,960 --> 01:20:23,080
Speaker 1: the fallen. Today, we would do a show, a special

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01:20:23,120 --> 01:20:28,120
Speaker 1: Memorial Day show every single year. Always will reminder a

1205
01:20:28,120 --> 01:20:31,679
Speaker 1: couple things. I'm going to open every single segment listing

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01:20:31,800 --> 01:20:34,479
Speaker 1: names that you have sent me of friends and family

1207
01:20:34,520 --> 01:20:37,320
Speaker 1: members and people you know who have died for this country,

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01:20:37,360 --> 01:20:40,439
Speaker 1: so we can read their names aloud, coast to coast

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01:20:40,720 --> 01:20:46,200
Speaker 1: and have them honored. That's one. Two. It is not

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01:20:46,320 --> 01:20:51,240
Speaker 1: Veteran's Day. It's not police officers Day, firefighters Day, first

1211
01:20:51,280 --> 01:20:55,120
Speaker 1: responders Day. This is a day where you can't thank

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01:20:55,400 --> 01:20:59,479
Speaker 1: anybody you need to thank because they're dead. This is

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01:20:59,520 --> 01:21:02,280
Speaker 1: a day for people who have gone overseas and died

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01:21:02,360 --> 01:21:07,839
Speaker 1: and they deserve to have their day unwatered down. Also,

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01:21:09,160 --> 01:21:12,040
Speaker 1: they would want you to enjoy yourself today when you're

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01:21:12,080 --> 01:21:14,759
Speaker 1: done having a moment listening to this show, doing whatever

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01:21:14,800 --> 01:21:18,479
Speaker 1: you do to honor them, go eat hot dogs, have

1218
01:21:18,680 --> 01:21:23,120
Speaker 1: fun with your kids, have a beer, have to enjoy

1219
01:21:23,600 --> 01:21:26,360
Speaker 1: your day out there now. We opened up the show

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01:21:26,400 --> 01:21:29,840
Speaker 1: today with a long opening talking about Saipan and what

1221
01:21:30,000 --> 01:21:32,960
Speaker 1: our men went through there. There are a few different

1222
01:21:33,640 --> 01:21:38,400
Speaker 1: medal of Honor citations from Saipan. I'm not sure which

1223
01:21:38,400 --> 01:21:42,000
Speaker 1: one's more jaw dropping, but I did think you know

1224
01:21:42,040 --> 01:21:44,000
Speaker 1: an honor. As long as we're talking about men who

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01:21:44,000 --> 01:21:47,400
Speaker 1: have died, I just told you about the horrors of

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01:21:47,479 --> 01:21:53,599
Speaker 1: that island. Let's talk about three men who never came home. First,

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Speaker 1: one Thomas A. Baker, US Army. He's a sergeant US Army.

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01:22:01,160 --> 01:22:05,040
Speaker 1: This is his Medal of Honor citation. When his entire

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01:22:05,080 --> 01:22:07,800
Speaker 1: company was held up by fire from automatic weapons in

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01:22:07,880 --> 01:22:12,360
Speaker 1: small arms fire from strongly fortified enemy positions that commanded

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01:22:12,360 --> 01:22:16,640
Speaker 1: the view of the company, Sergeant then Private Baker voluntarily

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01:22:16,680 --> 01:22:20,280
Speaker 1: took a bazuka and dashed alone within a hundred yards

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01:22:20,280 --> 01:22:24,519
Speaker 1: of the enemy. Through heavy rifle fire and machine gun

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01:22:24,520 --> 01:22:27,240
Speaker 1: fire that was directed him by the enemy. He knocked

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01:22:27,240 --> 01:22:30,400
Speaker 1: out the strong point, enabling his company to assault the ridge.

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01:22:31,240 --> 01:22:34,799
Speaker 1: Some days later, while his company advanced across the open field,

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01:22:34,840 --> 01:22:38,599
Speaker 1: flanked with obstructions and places of concealment for the enemy,

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01:22:39,120 --> 01:22:42,479
Speaker 1: Sergeant Baker again voluntarily took up a position in the

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01:22:42,520 --> 01:22:46,200
Speaker 1: rear to protect the company against surprise attack, and came

1240
01:22:46,320 --> 01:22:50,960
Speaker 1: upon two heavily fortified enemy pockets manned by two officers

1241
01:22:51,240 --> 01:22:55,559
Speaker 1: and ten enlisted men which had been bypassed without regard

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01:22:55,600 --> 01:22:59,680
Speaker 1: for such superior numbers. He unhesitatingly attacked and killed all

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01:22:59,720 --> 01:23:04,040
Speaker 1: of the five hundred yards. Further, he discovered six men

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01:23:04,160 --> 01:23:06,759
Speaker 1: in the six men of the enemy who had concealed

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01:23:06,840 --> 01:23:11,320
Speaker 1: themselves behind our lines, and destroyed all of them. On

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01:23:11,360 --> 01:23:14,800
Speaker 1: the seventh of July nineteen forty four, the perimeter of

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01:23:14,840 --> 01:23:18,799
Speaker 1: which Sergeant Baker was part was attacked from three sides

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01:23:19,240 --> 01:23:23,000
Speaker 1: by from three thousand to five thousand Japanese. This was

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01:23:23,080 --> 01:23:26,920
Speaker 1: that Bonsai charge I told you about earlier. During the

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01:23:26,920 --> 01:23:30,759
Speaker 1: early stages of this attack, Sergeant Baker was seriously wounded,

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01:23:31,000 --> 01:23:33,679
Speaker 1: but he insisted on remaining in the line and fired

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01:23:33,720 --> 01:23:37,200
Speaker 1: at the enemy at ranges, sometimes as close as five yards,

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01:23:37,520 --> 01:23:41,600
Speaker 1: until his ammunition ran out. Without ammunition and with his

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01:23:41,680 --> 01:23:45,800
Speaker 1: own weapon battered to uselessness from hand to hand combat,

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01:23:46,479 --> 01:23:49,240
Speaker 1: he was carried about fifty yards to the rear by

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Speaker 1: a comrade, who was then himself wounded. At this point,

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Speaker 1: Sergeant Baker refused to be moved any further, stating that

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Speaker 1: he preferred to be left to die rather than risk

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Speaker 1: the lives of any more of his friends. A short

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Speaker 1: time later, at his request. He was placed in a

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Speaker 1: sitting position against a small tree. Another comrade withdrawing, offered assistance.

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01:24:18,640 --> 01:24:22,559
Speaker 1: Sergeant Baker refused, insisting that he will be left alone

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01:24:22,920 --> 01:24:26,439
Speaker 1: and be given a soldier's pistol with its remaining eight

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01:24:26,520 --> 01:24:31,200
Speaker 1: rounds of ammunition. When last scene alive, Sergeant Baker was

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01:24:31,240 --> 01:24:37,559
Speaker 1: propped against the tree, pistol in hand, calmly facing the foe. Later,

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01:24:37,720 --> 01:24:43,360
Speaker 1: Sergeant Baker's body was found in the same position, gun empty,

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01:24:43,400 --> 01:24:49,679
Speaker 1: with eight Japanese lying dead before him. His deeds were

1268
01:24:49,680 --> 01:24:57,360
Speaker 1: in keeping with the highest traditions of the USR. Don't

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01:24:57,400 --> 01:24:59,839
Speaker 1: you think that's a man who deserves to be remembered.

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01:25:02,280 --> 01:25:06,280
Speaker 1: Don't you think deeds like that deserve to be remembered.

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01:25:09,040 --> 01:25:13,600
Speaker 1: It it boggles the mind, and it's I want to

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01:25:13,600 --> 01:25:16,920
Speaker 1: I want to stress this again. When we're talking about

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01:25:16,920 --> 01:25:21,640
Speaker 1: Memorial Day, it's not about Thomas Baker. I mean it is,

1274
01:25:21,720 --> 01:25:24,559
Speaker 1: but it isn't. It's it's about Baker. It's about his

1275
01:25:24,640 --> 01:25:29,240
Speaker 1: family that should be so proud. It's about what he did,

1276
01:25:30,600 --> 01:25:35,160
Speaker 1: but it's about holding him up as an example of

1277
01:25:35,240 --> 01:25:40,479
Speaker 1: what we should be, of what we should do. That's

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01:25:40,520 --> 01:25:45,840
Speaker 1: the type of person you build nations around. That's the

1279
01:25:45,920 --> 01:25:47,639
Speaker 1: man you want to be, and I will tell you

1280
01:25:48,840 --> 01:25:50,920
Speaker 1: it's a father. I mean. When I get off the

1281
01:25:50,920 --> 01:25:52,479
Speaker 1: air here, I'm gonna go home. I'm gonna hang out

1282
01:25:52,520 --> 01:25:57,160
Speaker 1: with my sons. I have debated on the best way

1283
01:25:57,240 --> 01:26:00,120
Speaker 1: to tackle Memorial Day with them, and this is this

1284
01:26:00,160 --> 01:26:01,720
Speaker 1: is why I'm debating it, not because I'm not sure

1285
01:26:01,760 --> 01:26:04,519
Speaker 1: how to approach it or how to talk to him.

1286
01:26:04,720 --> 01:26:09,040
Speaker 1: I want to know, as a dad, what can I

1287
01:26:09,200 --> 01:26:11,559
Speaker 1: do to make sure my sons are men like that?

1288
01:26:12,840 --> 01:26:15,040
Speaker 1: Don't you want your sons to be a man like that? No?

1289
01:26:15,200 --> 01:26:17,680
Speaker 1: I don't want them to go die in some Pacific

1290
01:26:17,720 --> 01:26:21,160
Speaker 1: hell hole. Man. I want them to be men like that.

1291
01:26:22,080 --> 01:26:25,920
Speaker 1: What what can I say to them to make sure

1292
01:26:25,920 --> 01:26:28,519
Speaker 1: they're not that way? Or is there anything you can say?

1293
01:26:28,680 --> 01:26:31,720
Speaker 1: Is that just something? Is Thomas A Baker? Was he

1294
01:26:31,840 --> 01:26:34,760
Speaker 1: just born to be a lion? That's just how he

1295
01:26:34,920 --> 01:26:37,679
Speaker 1: was born? No, no, no, no, I don't want any

1296
01:26:37,680 --> 01:26:40,720
Speaker 1: of my other friends dying for me. Prop me up

1297
01:26:40,760 --> 01:26:43,320
Speaker 1: against a tree and hand me a pistol and go

1298
01:26:43,360 --> 01:26:50,080
Speaker 1: on about your business. That's awesome and it deserves to

1299
01:26:50,200 --> 01:26:54,320
Speaker 1: be remembered. That's why that's why I'm so adamant about

1300
01:26:54,360 --> 01:26:57,800
Speaker 1: what Memorial Day is and what it isn't Thomas A.

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01:26:58,000 --> 01:27:01,439
Speaker 1: Baker and men like him deserve to have their day

1302
01:27:02,160 --> 01:27:07,240
Speaker 1: unwatered down. Now, coming up next, we have a friend

1303
01:27:07,280 --> 01:27:11,080
Speaker 1: of mine, Sean Parnell. He was in Afghanistan Army in Afghanistan.

1304
01:27:11,760 --> 01:27:15,040
Speaker 1: Sean Parnell was going to talk about Memorial Day and

1305
01:27:15,160 --> 01:27:19,880
Speaker 1: then that he's lost, and then after that we have

1306
01:27:19,920 --> 01:27:23,760
Speaker 1: two more segments left. We have two more Medal of

1307
01:27:23,800 --> 01:27:28,200
Speaker 1: Honor citations from Saipan, and honestly, I don't know which

1308
01:27:28,240 --> 01:27:30,759
Speaker 1: one of the three I'm gonna read from there blows

1309
01:27:30,840 --> 01:27:32,760
Speaker 1: me away. It's tough to beat Thomas A. Baker, So

1310
01:27:32,760 --> 01:27:34,600
Speaker 1: I'll tell you that much. It's tough to beat. I

1311
01:27:35,000 --> 01:27:38,439
Speaker 1: have one. I have won it right after Sean Parnell

1312
01:27:38,520 --> 01:27:40,680
Speaker 1: that may have it beat. But I mean, all these

1313
01:27:40,680 --> 01:27:44,839
Speaker 1: guys are heroes. Everybody we've talked about today, they're all heroes.

1314
01:27:46,160 --> 01:27:50,200
Speaker 1: It's just a matter of are we going to honor

1315
01:27:50,280 --> 01:27:53,000
Speaker 1: them or not? Are we going to honor their memory

1316
01:27:53,640 --> 01:27:57,200
Speaker 1: by preserving this country or not. Sean Parnell is coming

1317
01:27:57,280 --> 01:27:59,360
Speaker 1: up next. It's a Jesse Kelly Show on our Memorial

1318
01:27:59,439 --> 01:28:28,080
Speaker 1: Day Special. Joining me now on our Memorial Day Special

1319
01:28:28,200 --> 01:28:30,639
Speaker 1: on the Jesse Kelly Show. Remember this is a day

1320
01:28:30,640 --> 01:28:35,240
Speaker 1: where we honor the fallen today, not ourselves, not even

1321
01:28:35,280 --> 01:28:39,000
Speaker 1: our veterans. It's not a catch all day, oh in

1322
01:28:39,160 --> 01:28:42,280
Speaker 1: a police and fire No, no, no, no, we don't

1323
01:28:42,320 --> 01:28:45,400
Speaker 1: water down this day. This is a day to honor

1324
01:28:45,479 --> 01:28:48,559
Speaker 1: the members of our armed services who went to hostile

1325
01:28:48,640 --> 01:28:51,559
Speaker 1: places and died and never got to come home again.

1326
01:28:52,479 --> 01:28:56,559
Speaker 1: Joining me now to talk about that decorated combat veteran

1327
01:28:56,920 --> 01:29:00,799
Speaker 1: also New York Times bestselling author and Lord Willing. Next

1328
01:29:00,840 --> 01:29:04,799
Speaker 1: senator from the state of Pennsylvania, My buddy Sean Parnell. Sean,

1329
01:29:05,800 --> 01:29:10,679
Speaker 1: what's Memorial Day mean to you? Um? You know, Memorial

1330
01:29:10,760 --> 01:29:12,880
Speaker 1: Day for me? You know, honestly, every day is a

1331
01:29:12,920 --> 01:29:17,439
Speaker 1: Memorial Day. I was talking to another veteran, another infantry guy, yesterday,

1332
01:29:17,560 --> 01:29:20,960
Speaker 1: and we were sort of laughing and joking around about it,

1333
01:29:21,200 --> 01:29:24,439
Speaker 1: oddly enough, but we were saying, how if you go

1334
01:29:24,600 --> 01:29:27,120
Speaker 1: you know, you go to war, you lose people. You know,

1335
01:29:27,320 --> 01:29:32,200
Speaker 1: war changes you forever, and you know, some people move

1336
01:29:32,240 --> 01:29:33,800
Speaker 1: on from it. You know, it becomes a part of

1337
01:29:33,800 --> 01:29:35,920
Speaker 1: your life and maybe it's a part of your past.

1338
01:29:36,000 --> 01:29:40,680
Speaker 1: You grow from it a little bit, but it regardless,

1339
01:29:40,520 --> 01:29:43,080
Speaker 1: it's always like a part of you almost like spywear

1340
01:29:43,360 --> 01:29:45,960
Speaker 1: on a computer. It's running, but maybe you don't realize

1341
01:29:45,960 --> 01:29:50,600
Speaker 1: it's running, but it's still there. And Memorial Day for

1342
01:29:50,640 --> 01:29:56,200
Speaker 1: me is about remembering everybody that I lost. And you know,

1343
01:29:56,240 --> 01:29:58,720
Speaker 1: I've been back from Afghanistan and Gosha got back in

1344
01:29:58,960 --> 01:30:04,200
Speaker 1: two thousand and seven, and so we're talking about almost

1345
01:30:04,280 --> 01:30:07,800
Speaker 1: that damn near twenty years now, and it seems like

1346
01:30:07,800 --> 01:30:12,000
Speaker 1: it was just yesterday, and I've probably lost close to

1347
01:30:12,120 --> 01:30:17,360
Speaker 1: thirty friends and support of the war in Iraq and Afghanistan.

1348
01:30:17,960 --> 01:30:21,240
Speaker 1: Thirty friends. And I mean, you know, I'm thirty nine

1349
01:30:21,320 --> 01:30:24,599
Speaker 1: years old, and you know, it would be impossible for

1350
01:30:24,640 --> 01:30:27,599
Speaker 1: me to come on your show and like list just

1351
01:30:27,640 --> 01:30:31,080
Speaker 1: one person, you know, um. And it's also impossible to

1352
01:30:31,120 --> 01:30:33,920
Speaker 1: put all these people on a bracelet, you know. And

1353
01:30:34,000 --> 01:30:38,000
Speaker 1: it's just it's just, you know, it's it's hard, man,

1354
01:30:38,160 --> 01:30:41,960
Speaker 1: because these people, men and women who volunteer to serve

1355
01:30:42,040 --> 01:30:44,760
Speaker 1: this country, and the people that that I lost that

1356
01:30:44,800 --> 01:30:48,320
Speaker 1: I served with, um, they they're the best of our

1357
01:30:48,320 --> 01:30:51,680
Speaker 1: country man. You know. People talk about, you know, our

1358
01:30:51,840 --> 01:30:55,320
Speaker 1: our economy and you know, our precious natural resources that

1359
01:30:55,360 --> 01:30:57,439
Speaker 1: we have here in America, and indeed we have many,

1360
01:30:57,960 --> 01:31:01,440
Speaker 1: but the reality is our most it's just natural resources

1361
01:31:02,080 --> 01:31:04,600
Speaker 1: are the men and women who volunteer to serve this country,

1362
01:31:05,040 --> 01:31:09,280
Speaker 1: and for twenty years of war, we've hemorrhaged them for

1363
01:31:09,320 --> 01:31:13,280
Speaker 1: a long time. And so for me, like a memorial day,

1364
01:31:13,320 --> 01:31:15,320
Speaker 1: I really just try to reflect on that and what

1365
01:31:15,400 --> 01:31:19,479
Speaker 1: this country has lost and my friends. But I also

1366
01:31:19,560 --> 01:31:23,320
Speaker 1: try to live a life worthy of their sacrifice, you

1367
01:31:23,360 --> 01:31:25,720
Speaker 1: know that, like they you know what I mean, Like

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01:31:25,840 --> 01:31:28,880
Speaker 1: they didn't get to make it home and so and

1369
01:31:28,920 --> 01:31:32,600
Speaker 1: I know I know that they would want me to

1370
01:31:32,880 --> 01:31:35,360
Speaker 1: drive on, you know, move out and draw fires, so

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01:31:35,479 --> 01:31:37,800
Speaker 1: to speak. And I just try to be worthy of

1372
01:31:37,840 --> 01:31:41,840
Speaker 1: their sacrifice. Man Sean, you know what, this part hits me.

1373
01:31:41,880 --> 01:31:43,400
Speaker 1: And I don't know if this is odd, but it

1374
01:31:43,439 --> 01:31:48,040
Speaker 1: does hit me of how much of their lives they

1375
01:31:48,080 --> 01:31:50,479
Speaker 1: gave up, you know. You know, it's not just that

1376
01:31:50,560 --> 01:31:53,240
Speaker 1: they died and miss them or something like that. It's

1377
01:31:53,280 --> 01:31:55,599
Speaker 1: how much of their lives they don't get to live.

1378
01:31:56,160 --> 01:31:59,280
Speaker 1: They'll never have they'll never have a grand kid on

1379
01:31:59,320 --> 01:32:02,400
Speaker 1: their knee. They'll never you know, they'll they'll never have

1380
01:32:02,479 --> 01:32:06,840
Speaker 1: a huge successful job one day. They'll never know, they'll

1381
01:32:06,880 --> 01:32:08,960
Speaker 1: never get to grow old with a woman. If they

1382
01:32:09,000 --> 01:32:11,759
Speaker 1: find one. They actually like it. It's just the things

1383
01:32:11,840 --> 01:32:15,320
Speaker 1: they missed is what gets me. That's that's what shocks me.

1384
01:32:15,400 --> 01:32:19,639
Speaker 1: I guess I should say, yeah, exactly, when you lose

1385
01:32:19,640 --> 01:32:22,400
Speaker 1: people that are close to you. And I try to

1386
01:32:22,439 --> 01:32:24,840
Speaker 1: explain this to two Americans, Like I'm the oldest of

1387
01:32:24,960 --> 01:32:27,519
Speaker 1: four kids, Like I love my family more. I'm lucky.

1388
01:32:27,560 --> 01:32:30,439
Speaker 1: I come from a great family. I love my brothers

1389
01:32:30,520 --> 01:32:35,560
Speaker 1: and my sister. The men that I served with in Afghanistan,

1390
01:32:36,400 --> 01:32:39,200
Speaker 1: I almost know them, not not, oh not almost. I

1391
01:32:39,320 --> 01:32:42,479
Speaker 1: know them better than my own family. Like I could

1392
01:32:42,560 --> 01:32:46,240
Speaker 1: tell you who was walking away in the middle of

1393
01:32:46,240 --> 01:32:48,920
Speaker 1: the night what they're back to me fifty meters away,

1394
01:32:48,960 --> 01:32:50,760
Speaker 1: just by the way that they walk, you know. It's

1395
01:32:50,800 --> 01:32:54,160
Speaker 1: like you know people that well. And when you lose people,

1396
01:32:54,479 --> 01:32:57,160
Speaker 1: when you lose your your friends and your brothers in arms,

1397
01:32:57,200 --> 01:33:00,439
Speaker 1: you lose a piece of yourself, you know, And you

1398
01:33:00,479 --> 01:33:03,040
Speaker 1: spend a lot of time like to your point, like

1399
01:33:03,160 --> 01:33:07,040
Speaker 1: you think about death in ways as a younger person

1400
01:33:07,600 --> 01:33:09,360
Speaker 1: that many people don't have to deal with that stuff

1401
01:33:09,400 --> 01:33:13,439
Speaker 1: until they're in their seventies, you know. And and when

1402
01:33:13,479 --> 01:33:16,599
Speaker 1: someone dies, when you kill in combat or someone dies

1403
01:33:16,680 --> 01:33:19,599
Speaker 1: that's close to you, it's like everything that they were

1404
01:33:19,880 --> 01:33:22,000
Speaker 1: is gone from this earth, everything that they are and

1405
01:33:22,080 --> 01:33:24,880
Speaker 1: everything that they ever will be, and the totality of that,

1406
01:33:26,160 --> 01:33:28,640
Speaker 1: it's just hard to wrap your mind around, you know,

1407
01:33:28,720 --> 01:33:32,920
Speaker 1: and to your point, like, it's all those different circumstances

1408
01:33:32,960 --> 01:33:36,519
Speaker 1: that's and experiences that they'll never have. I mean, that's

1409
01:33:36,560 --> 01:33:41,080
Speaker 1: why I think it's so important that guys like you,

1410
01:33:41,160 --> 01:33:44,320
Speaker 1: that people that have platforms and shows talk about stuff

1411
01:33:44,320 --> 01:33:46,960
Speaker 1: like this, so that's the American people can learn about

1412
01:33:47,000 --> 01:33:49,920
Speaker 1: this sacrifice that was made on their behalf. But it's

1413
01:33:49,960 --> 01:33:52,439
Speaker 1: also really important and I know that this is important

1414
01:33:52,439 --> 01:33:55,360
Speaker 1: to you too, because we've talked about it of passing

1415
01:33:55,600 --> 01:34:00,200
Speaker 1: on to your kids, like just how great those men

1416
01:34:00,200 --> 01:34:03,320
Speaker 1: and women were, and so that their legacy lives on

1417
01:34:03,400 --> 01:34:05,320
Speaker 1: in them. You know, their legacy. Yeah, you lose a

1418
01:34:05,360 --> 01:34:09,200
Speaker 1: part of you, but you want their legacy to live

1419
01:34:09,200 --> 01:34:12,639
Speaker 1: on and your kids in the next generation. Sean, why

1420
01:34:12,680 --> 01:34:15,000
Speaker 1: do you get so close? You mentioned how close you get,

1421
01:34:15,000 --> 01:34:18,120
Speaker 1: and you're right, but explain why why does that happen?

1422
01:34:18,160 --> 01:34:20,680
Speaker 1: Because that's why it hurts when they're gone. Why do

1423
01:34:20,720 --> 01:34:22,800
Speaker 1: you end up so close to these guys? You're from

1424
01:34:22,840 --> 01:34:27,080
Speaker 1: all different walks of life, all different religions, races and locations.

1425
01:34:27,360 --> 01:34:31,040
Speaker 1: Why do you get close, Well, because I think part

1426
01:34:31,080 --> 01:34:33,559
Speaker 1: of it is that you you know the military. You know,

1427
01:34:33,640 --> 01:34:35,840
Speaker 1: you go into the military or basic training or boot

1428
01:34:35,840 --> 01:34:38,599
Speaker 1: camp if you're a Marine, and you're an individual, right,

1429
01:34:39,080 --> 01:34:42,439
Speaker 1: but then they whittle that individual identity away and you

1430
01:34:42,560 --> 01:34:45,040
Speaker 1: become a part of a collective. Right. How many times

1431
01:34:45,080 --> 01:34:46,960
Speaker 1: do you hear from your drill instructors or your drill

1432
01:34:47,000 --> 01:34:50,040
Speaker 1: sergeants that you're only as fast as your slowest person.

1433
01:34:50,560 --> 01:34:52,960
Speaker 1: And so the military does a great job at teaching

1434
01:34:53,000 --> 01:34:55,639
Speaker 1: people how to shoot, move and communicate together as a team.

1435
01:34:55,680 --> 01:34:57,519
Speaker 1: And then you go to combat and you fight, bleed,

1436
01:34:57,560 --> 01:35:02,000
Speaker 1: and die together, and you come to rely on each

1437
01:35:02,000 --> 01:35:05,320
Speaker 1: other so much that the fear of letting you know,

1438
01:35:05,360 --> 01:35:09,519
Speaker 1: your brothers or sisters down in combat trumps everything, even death.

1439
01:35:10,120 --> 01:35:12,400
Speaker 1: And so that's why we had these guys in combat.

1440
01:35:12,439 --> 01:35:14,679
Speaker 1: Like I got a guy from Haiti. It makes Saint Jean.

1441
01:35:15,600 --> 01:35:19,559
Speaker 1: He got shot in the head. Two days later he

1442
01:35:19,680 --> 01:35:21,599
Speaker 1: was back on the battlefield, wrapped up like a mummy,

1443
01:35:21,600 --> 01:35:23,160
Speaker 1: and I asked him why. He's like, well, because you

1444
01:35:23,160 --> 01:35:24,920
Speaker 1: guys are going out there. I can't let you go

1445
01:35:24,920 --> 01:35:27,559
Speaker 1: out there. I can't let you down. And I think

1446
01:35:27,600 --> 01:35:30,479
Speaker 1: it's that. I think it's when you're willing to love

1447
01:35:30,560 --> 01:35:34,360
Speaker 1: somebody and care about somebody and Matt feeling is more

1448
01:35:34,400 --> 01:35:39,599
Speaker 1: important than death. I mean, that's that should tell you something,

1449
01:35:39,680 --> 01:35:43,320
Speaker 1: right well, love of a brother, Sean Parnell, everybody, Sean,

1450
01:35:43,439 --> 01:35:46,320
Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming on today and sharing that.

1451
01:35:46,360 --> 01:35:49,000
Speaker 1: It really helps people to get a perspective on things.

1452
01:35:49,080 --> 01:35:53,360
Speaker 1: Thank you, my brother, Simprified, All right, Simprified, Jesse, take care.

1453
01:35:55,200 --> 01:35:59,320
Speaker 1: He's right about how close you get. It is amazing.

1454
01:35:59,479 --> 01:36:02,840
Speaker 1: But I mean it's also the time you spend together

1455
01:36:02,960 --> 01:36:07,759
Speaker 1: and the time you spend together in misery, absolute misery.

1456
01:36:07,160 --> 01:36:12,000
Speaker 1: There is nothing else, you know, there's no escape. It's

1457
01:36:12,160 --> 01:36:16,439
Speaker 1: us here. It sucks. You don't have any other choice,

1458
01:36:16,439 --> 01:36:19,120
Speaker 1: and it does it. It drives it home for you.

1459
01:36:19,439 --> 01:36:23,639
Speaker 1: And it is he brought up. You know how young

1460
01:36:23,720 --> 01:36:27,479
Speaker 1: they are. That part has always bothered me. And I

1461
01:36:27,560 --> 01:36:30,760
Speaker 1: understand that's the history of the world, right, that's the

1462
01:36:30,960 --> 01:36:35,799
Speaker 1: that's the history of the world is young men seventeen eighteen,

1463
01:36:35,920 --> 01:36:40,439
Speaker 1: nineteen twenty year old men going off fighting and dying

1464
01:36:40,520 --> 01:36:44,040
Speaker 1: for their country. That's the history where I understand that completely.

1465
01:36:44,320 --> 01:36:47,719
Speaker 1: What we have here is not unique. But it's also

1466
01:36:49,600 --> 01:36:53,559
Speaker 1: I've always thought it was tragic and maybe that Look honestly,

1467
01:36:53,680 --> 01:36:57,080
Speaker 1: maybe part of that is because I have such a

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01:36:57,120 --> 01:37:01,360
Speaker 1: blessed life. You know, I got family pick up truck,

1469
01:37:01,400 --> 01:37:04,759
Speaker 1: even though it has a busted sunrooft, I got food,

1470
01:37:04,960 --> 01:37:07,960
Speaker 1: things like that, and you think about the fact they'll

1471
01:37:08,000 --> 01:37:11,439
Speaker 1: never have those things. It gave up so many years,

1472
01:37:11,800 --> 01:37:14,360
Speaker 1: so many that that part of it has always been

1473
01:37:14,400 --> 01:37:18,200
Speaker 1: sad for me. But it's important we honor them, isn't it.

1474
01:37:18,760 --> 01:37:22,599
Speaker 1: So it's it's obviously, as I've said it several times,

1475
01:37:22,920 --> 01:37:26,400
Speaker 1: it's been a heavier day than normal today, it's going

1476
01:37:26,520 --> 01:37:29,680
Speaker 1: to be like that throughout most of the day. You know.

1477
01:37:29,760 --> 01:37:32,559
Speaker 1: We prefer light and fun and funny, and we'll get

1478
01:37:32,560 --> 01:37:34,360
Speaker 1: back to that every other day of the year. Today

1479
01:37:34,640 --> 01:37:37,479
Speaker 1: we honor the heroes. We're not done yet. Hang on

1480
01:38:09,680 --> 01:38:15,600
Speaker 1: c W three, James Groves, Johnny Mike Span KIA Afghanistan

1481
01:38:15,720 --> 01:38:21,080
Speaker 1: two thousand and one, ross A McGuinness, Adam Kennedy, Army

1482
01:38:21,200 --> 01:38:26,679
Speaker 1: KIA two thousand and seven, Lance Corporal Gregory Posey, Corporal

1483
01:38:26,760 --> 01:38:32,120
Speaker 1: Thomas P. McClellan, USMC. It is the Jesse Kelly Show

1484
01:38:32,680 --> 01:38:38,000
Speaker 1: on a very very very special Memorial Day show. As

1485
01:38:38,040 --> 01:38:41,599
Speaker 1: you know the show's normally a bit, a bit lighter

1486
01:38:42,040 --> 01:38:44,800
Speaker 1: and a bit fun. Today it is a show I

1487
01:38:44,840 --> 01:38:47,639
Speaker 1: believe in doing. As I told you before, I will

1488
01:38:47,680 --> 01:38:50,479
Speaker 1: try to make sure I do it every single year.

1489
01:38:50,920 --> 01:38:54,120
Speaker 1: I believe in being in this chair and doing a

1490
01:38:54,200 --> 01:38:59,479
Speaker 1: show to honor the fallen on this day. Now, in

1491
01:38:59,560 --> 01:39:02,400
Speaker 1: case you missed the beginning of the show, the whole

1492
01:39:02,400 --> 01:39:06,120
Speaker 1: thing is on iHeart, Google, Spotify, and iTunes when it's done.

1493
01:39:06,520 --> 01:39:09,400
Speaker 1: What I did today was on top of listing the

1494
01:39:09,560 --> 01:39:11,840
Speaker 1: names at the beginning of every segment that you have

1495
01:39:11,920 --> 01:39:15,400
Speaker 1: sent me names of the fallen, I talked about the

1496
01:39:15,439 --> 01:39:18,920
Speaker 1: story of the Battle of Saipan, and I just a

1497
01:39:18,920 --> 01:39:21,160
Speaker 1: couple of segments ago went over the Medal of Honor

1498
01:39:21,280 --> 01:39:25,280
Speaker 1: citation for Thomas A. Baker. I have another Medal of

1499
01:39:25,320 --> 01:39:31,320
Speaker 1: Honor citation from Saipan, mister William J. O'Brien. And Wow,

1500
01:39:32,160 --> 01:39:35,800
Speaker 1: you officers in the military or want to be officers,

1501
01:39:37,200 --> 01:39:41,520
Speaker 1: this is who you try to be for conspicuous gallantry

1502
01:39:41,600 --> 01:39:44,160
Speaker 1: and intrepidity at the risk of his life, above and

1503
01:39:44,280 --> 01:39:47,680
Speaker 1: beyond the call of duty at Saipan Marianna's Islands. From

1504
01:39:47,720 --> 01:39:50,360
Speaker 1: the twentieth of June to the seventh of July nineteen

1505
01:39:50,479 --> 01:39:55,240
Speaker 1: forty four, when assault elements of his platoon were held

1506
01:39:55,280 --> 01:40:00,800
Speaker 1: up by intense enemy fire, Lieutenant Colonel O'Brien ordered three

1507
01:40:00,840 --> 01:40:04,879
Speaker 1: tanks to precede the assault companies and in an attempt

1508
01:40:04,880 --> 01:40:08,679
Speaker 1: to knock out the strong point. Due to direct enemy fire,

1509
01:40:09,040 --> 01:40:12,599
Speaker 1: the tank's turrets were closed, causing the tanks to lose

1510
01:40:12,640 --> 01:40:18,080
Speaker 1: direction and to fire into our own troops. Lieutenant Colonel O'Brien,

1511
01:40:18,160 --> 01:40:21,960
Speaker 1: with complete disregard for his own safety, dashed into full

1512
01:40:22,040 --> 01:40:24,920
Speaker 1: view of the enemy and ran to the leader's tank

1513
01:40:25,280 --> 01:40:28,240
Speaker 1: and pounded on the tank with his pistol butt to

1514
01:40:28,360 --> 01:40:32,240
Speaker 1: attract two of the tank's crew, and mounting the tank

1515
01:40:32,560 --> 01:40:37,240
Speaker 1: fully exposed to enemy fire, Lieutenant colonel O'Brien personally directed

1516
01:40:37,240 --> 01:40:40,360
Speaker 1: the assault until the enemy's strong point had been liquidated.

1517
01:40:41,320 --> 01:40:44,120
Speaker 1: Under twenty eighth of June nineteen forty four, while his

1518
01:40:44,280 --> 01:40:47,599
Speaker 1: patoon was attempting to take a bitterly defended high ridge

1519
01:40:47,840 --> 01:40:51,680
Speaker 1: in the vicinity of Donna, Lieutenant Colonel O'Brien arranged to

1520
01:40:51,760 --> 01:40:56,160
Speaker 1: capture the ridge by a double envelopment envelopment move of

1521
01:40:56,320 --> 01:41:01,599
Speaker 1: two large combat battalions. He suddenly took control of the maneuver.

1522
01:41:02,240 --> 01:41:07,080
Speaker 1: Lieutenant Colonel O'Brien crossed twelve hundred yards of sniper infested

1523
01:41:07,160 --> 01:41:11,040
Speaker 1: underbrush alone to arrive at a point where one of

1524
01:41:11,040 --> 01:41:14,360
Speaker 1: his platoons was being held up by the enemy. Leaving

1525
01:41:14,400 --> 01:41:17,920
Speaker 1: some men to contain the enemy, he personally led four

1526
01:41:17,960 --> 01:41:22,519
Speaker 1: men into a narrow ravine behind and killed or drove

1527
01:41:22,560 --> 01:41:26,799
Speaker 1: off all the Japanese manning that strong point. In this action,

1528
01:41:27,040 --> 01:41:31,960
Speaker 1: he captured five machine five machine guns and one seventy

1529
01:41:31,960 --> 01:41:37,080
Speaker 1: seven millimeter field piece. Lieutenant Colonel O'Brien then organized two

1530
01:41:37,120 --> 01:41:43,120
Speaker 1: platoons for night defense and against repeated counterattacks, directed them. Meanwhile,

1531
01:41:43,160 --> 01:41:46,320
Speaker 1: he managed to hold ground. On the seventh of July

1532
01:41:46,479 --> 01:41:52,040
Speaker 1: nineteen forty four, his battalion and his battalion was under

1533
01:41:52,120 --> 01:41:56,160
Speaker 1: another and another battalion was attacked by an overwhelming enemy

1534
01:41:56,240 --> 01:42:00,960
Speaker 1: force estimated to be between three and five thousand in Japanese.

1535
01:42:01,040 --> 01:42:04,080
Speaker 1: This is again that huge three thousand man bonds eye

1536
01:42:04,080 --> 01:42:07,600
Speaker 1: attack I told you about before. With bloody hand to

1537
01:42:07,640 --> 01:42:12,120
Speaker 1: hand fighting in progress everywhere, their forward position was finally

1538
01:42:12,200 --> 01:42:16,040
Speaker 1: overrun by the sheer weight of enemy numbers. With many

1539
01:42:16,080 --> 01:42:21,439
Speaker 1: casualties and ammunition running low, Lieutenant Colonel O'Brien refused to

1540
01:42:21,520 --> 01:42:24,559
Speaker 1: leave the front lines. Striding up and down the lines,

1541
01:42:24,600 --> 01:42:27,919
Speaker 1: he fired at the enemy with a pistol in each hand,

1542
01:42:28,439 --> 01:42:31,320
Speaker 1: and his presence there boast of the spirits of the men,

1543
01:42:31,840 --> 01:42:34,800
Speaker 1: encouraging them in their fight and sustain them in their

1544
01:42:34,840 --> 01:42:39,639
Speaker 1: heroic stand. Even after he was seriously wounded, Lieutenant Colonel

1545
01:42:39,680 --> 01:42:43,880
Speaker 1: O'Brien refused to be evacuated, and after his pistol ammunition

1546
01:42:44,000 --> 01:42:48,320
Speaker 1: was exhausted, he manned a fifty caliber machine gun mounted

1547
01:42:48,320 --> 01:42:52,719
Speaker 1: on a jeep and continued firing. When last scene alive,

1548
01:42:53,120 --> 01:42:57,400
Speaker 1: he was standing upright, firing into the Japanese hordes that

1549
01:42:57,439 --> 01:43:02,280
Speaker 1: were enveloping him. Sometimes sometime later, his body was found

1550
01:43:02,880 --> 01:43:07,960
Speaker 1: surrounded by the enemy he had killed. His valor was

1551
01:43:08,040 --> 01:43:15,919
Speaker 1: consistent with the highest traditions of service. That is unreal.

1552
01:43:17,000 --> 01:43:20,360
Speaker 1: And some of these citations, I mean, some of these

1553
01:43:20,439 --> 01:43:25,479
Speaker 1: names you've sent in, like Chief Warren Officer John D. Phillips,

1554
01:43:25,600 --> 01:43:30,040
Speaker 1: Vietnam volunteered. He died from ground fire after dropping troops

1555
01:43:30,120 --> 01:43:34,000
Speaker 1: off in his halo. Let's talk about that for a moment.

1556
01:43:34,080 --> 01:43:39,400
Speaker 1: Halos in Vietnam, the halo pilots in Vietnam were so

1557
01:43:40,400 --> 01:43:47,040
Speaker 1: absurdly brave. I mean, look, when you're flying anyway, halo playing.

1558
01:43:47,120 --> 01:43:49,760
Speaker 1: Whatever the case, maybe it's always in the back of

1559
01:43:49,760 --> 01:43:53,959
Speaker 1: your mind. What if something goes wrong and I crash?

1560
01:43:54,120 --> 01:43:59,200
Speaker 1: How helpless do you feel in a halo? You're flying

1561
01:43:59,320 --> 01:44:04,040
Speaker 1: the thing, your landing troops or you're taking troops out,

1562
01:44:04,680 --> 01:44:08,960
Speaker 1: and everybody and their brother can see you landing or

1563
01:44:09,080 --> 01:44:13,799
Speaker 1: taking off, and they're all trying to kill you. How

1564
01:44:13,880 --> 01:44:18,400
Speaker 1: nerve racking is it to have bullets bouncing off your helo.

1565
01:44:20,439 --> 01:44:24,479
Speaker 1: Another one of these we got in specialist Daniel Unger

1566
01:44:24,800 --> 01:44:28,439
Speaker 1: Army in Iraq says he was killed by mortar fire.

1567
01:44:28,640 --> 01:44:35,160
Speaker 1: Killed by insurgent mortar fire. You know, I just want

1568
01:44:35,160 --> 01:44:38,400
Speaker 1: to point out. I don't want to get obviously too

1569
01:44:38,439 --> 01:44:40,599
Speaker 1: political on a day like today, but I do just

1570
01:44:40,640 --> 01:44:44,360
Speaker 1: want to point this out. Remember when they talk about

1571
01:44:44,400 --> 01:44:47,280
Speaker 1: insurgents in Iraq and how many names on this list

1572
01:44:47,479 --> 01:44:50,080
Speaker 1: I've read off that were killed by insurgents in Iraq.

1573
01:44:51,200 --> 01:44:53,720
Speaker 1: I want you to remember something and remember it well

1574
01:44:53,760 --> 01:44:59,479
Speaker 1: as it applies today. Most of those insurgents were trained

1575
01:44:59,479 --> 01:45:02,760
Speaker 1: by Iraq, or at least a lot of them were

1576
01:45:03,880 --> 01:45:10,680
Speaker 1: Iran's official forces trained many of the insurgents, especially in

1577
01:45:10,720 --> 01:45:13,640
Speaker 1: the ied stuff, those ieeds that were blowing up our

1578
01:45:13,680 --> 01:45:15,920
Speaker 1: guys all over the place in Iraq. How many names

1579
01:45:15,920 --> 01:45:20,559
Speaker 1: have I read off that list today alone? That was Iran?

1580
01:45:22,120 --> 01:45:25,320
Speaker 1: Remember this, there are still really really bad people out

1581
01:45:25,360 --> 01:45:31,320
Speaker 1: there killing our men all over the place. And another thing,

1582
01:45:32,800 --> 01:45:37,280
Speaker 1: and this one. These things always get to me. Captain

1583
01:45:37,520 --> 01:45:40,280
Speaker 1: Argyll and Captain fresh Squas, I'm sorry if I messed

1584
01:45:40,280 --> 01:45:43,719
Speaker 1: those names up. In Major William Downs and Staff Sergeant

1585
01:45:43,800 --> 01:45:53,240
Speaker 1: Ksey create Air Force Iraq. They died in a plane crash.

1586
01:45:53,439 --> 01:46:00,880
Speaker 1: Memorial Day too often gets boiled down to the really

1587
01:46:00,960 --> 01:46:03,720
Speaker 1: cool heroic stories like the two I just read. I

1588
01:46:03,720 --> 01:46:06,000
Speaker 1: mean I just did it too. You want to hear

1589
01:46:06,040 --> 01:46:09,839
Speaker 1: about Thomas Baker leaning against a tree with a pistol,

1590
01:46:10,400 --> 01:46:14,559
Speaker 1: just John Wayne style, no go on, I'm gonna die.

1591
01:46:16,120 --> 01:46:20,400
Speaker 1: Or you want to hear about O'Brien, Lieutenant Colonel O'Brien

1592
01:46:20,479 --> 01:46:23,040
Speaker 1: like we just talked about. Oh my ambo's out, Give

1593
01:46:23,080 --> 01:46:25,240
Speaker 1: me the fifty cow and let me just take as

1594
01:46:25,320 --> 01:46:28,240
Speaker 1: many with me as I can. We like those stories.

1595
01:46:29,360 --> 01:46:31,439
Speaker 1: I can't tell you how many I have in my

1596
01:46:31,560 --> 01:46:35,240
Speaker 1: email inbox about a guy who died in Iraq or Afghanistan.

1597
01:46:37,800 --> 01:46:42,160
Speaker 1: The Humby they were in Overturn. If you read books,

1598
01:46:42,520 --> 01:46:45,439
Speaker 1: I'm reading one now I've read it before, a book

1599
01:46:45,439 --> 01:46:48,160
Speaker 1: called Touched with Fire. It's it's about the war in

1600
01:46:48,200 --> 01:46:51,679
Speaker 1: the Pacific, or any any book that's real and raw.

1601
01:46:52,640 --> 01:46:56,160
Speaker 1: They go into it and Touched with Fire about how

1602
01:46:56,240 --> 01:47:00,520
Speaker 1: mental die in combat zones for things that aren't glorious

1603
01:47:00,520 --> 01:47:03,040
Speaker 1: and things you don't read Medal of Honor citations about.

1604
01:47:03,080 --> 01:47:05,639
Speaker 1: But they gave their lives too. We lost guys over

1605
01:47:05,680 --> 01:47:09,439
Speaker 1: there to shark attacks, to one guy got eaten in

1606
01:47:09,479 --> 01:47:12,440
Speaker 1: a river while bathing with his buddies by a crocodile.

1607
01:47:13,400 --> 01:47:18,280
Speaker 1: Lightning strikes killed many many guys. Men go over there

1608
01:47:18,320 --> 01:47:21,240
Speaker 1: and die of disease. Disease killed more people than the

1609
01:47:21,320 --> 01:47:26,200
Speaker 1: Japanese did, and those sacrifices are worthy of honor too.

1610
01:47:27,640 --> 01:47:29,800
Speaker 1: We're not quite done yet. I have one more citation,

1611
01:47:29,840 --> 01:47:31,680
Speaker 1: a few more names, and we will wrap up our

1612
01:47:31,720 --> 01:48:11,040
Speaker 1: Medal of Honor Special today, Pourfold David Larson, Vietnam, Kia,

1613
01:48:11,200 --> 01:48:17,479
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy, Sergeant Ronald Charles Davis, Vietnam, Kia, nineteen seventy,

1614
01:48:18,560 --> 01:48:26,320
Speaker 1: Staff Sergeant Mark Stets Kia, Afghanistan, Staff Sergeant Nathan Vacho, Kia, IRAQ,

1615
01:48:26,479 --> 01:48:32,120
Speaker 1: two thousand and six. There's one more Medal of Honor citation.

1616
01:48:32,160 --> 01:48:34,360
Speaker 1: I want to read you from the Battle of Saipan.

1617
01:48:38,320 --> 01:48:41,800
Speaker 1: It defies belief, So let's just let's just go ahead

1618
01:48:41,840 --> 01:48:45,599
Speaker 1: and read the Medal of Honor citation of Captor Captain

1619
01:48:45,720 --> 01:48:53,240
Speaker 1: Ben L. Salomon. Captain Ben L. Salomon was serving at

1620
01:48:53,240 --> 01:48:57,559
Speaker 1: Saipan in the Mariana Islands on July seventh, nineteen forty four.

1621
01:48:57,640 --> 01:49:01,040
Speaker 1: By the way, quickside, note, you notice all three of

1622
01:49:01,040 --> 01:49:06,400
Speaker 1: these citations had them dying on July seventh. That's why

1623
01:49:06,400 --> 01:49:09,720
Speaker 1: I pointed out the three thousand man bonzai charged by

1624
01:49:09,720 --> 01:49:11,960
Speaker 1: the Japanese at the beginning of the show, because it

1625
01:49:12,080 --> 01:49:15,840
Speaker 1: overwhelmed our lines and we lost so many that day. Anyway,

1626
01:49:16,160 --> 01:49:19,519
Speaker 1: Captain Ben L. Salomon was serving as Saipan and the

1627
01:49:19,560 --> 01:49:23,400
Speaker 1: Mariana Islands on July seventh, nineteen forty four, as the

1628
01:49:23,560 --> 01:49:28,000
Speaker 1: surgeon for the second Battalion, one hundred fifty one hundred

1629
01:49:28,040 --> 01:49:33,160
Speaker 1: and fifth Infantry Regiment, twenty seventh Infantry Division. The regiment's

1630
01:49:33,240 --> 01:49:36,639
Speaker 1: first and second battalions were attacked by an overwhelming force

1631
01:49:36,840 --> 01:49:41,160
Speaker 1: estimated to be between three thousand and five thousand Japanese soldiers.

1632
01:49:41,680 --> 01:49:44,000
Speaker 1: It was one of the largest attacks attempted in the

1633
01:49:44,040 --> 01:49:49,040
Speaker 1: Pacific theater during World War Two. Although both units fought furiously,

1634
01:49:49,439 --> 01:49:53,840
Speaker 1: the enemy soon penetrated the battalions combined perimeter and inflicted

1635
01:49:53,960 --> 01:49:58,280
Speaker 1: overwhelming casualties. In the first minutes of the attack, approximately

1636
01:49:58,360 --> 01:50:03,000
Speaker 1: thirty wounded soldiers walked, crawled, or were carried into Captain

1637
01:50:03,080 --> 01:50:06,760
Speaker 1: Solomon's aid station, and the small tent soon filled with

1638
01:50:06,880 --> 01:50:11,200
Speaker 1: wounded men. As the perimeter began to be overrun, it

1639
01:50:11,360 --> 01:50:15,280
Speaker 1: became increasingly difficult for Captain Solomon to work on the wounded.

1640
01:50:15,800 --> 01:50:18,880
Speaker 1: He then saw a Japanese soldier bayonetting one of the

1641
01:50:18,880 --> 01:50:23,559
Speaker 1: wounded soldiers lying near the tent, firing from a squatting position.

1642
01:50:23,840 --> 01:50:28,360
Speaker 1: Captain Solomon quickly killed the enemy soldier. Then, as he

1643
01:50:28,479 --> 01:50:31,760
Speaker 1: turned his attention back to the wounded, two more Japanese

1644
01:50:31,800 --> 01:50:34,840
Speaker 1: soldiers appeared in the front entrance of the tent. As

1645
01:50:34,880 --> 01:50:38,400
Speaker 1: these enemy soldiers were killed, four more crawled under the

1646
01:50:38,439 --> 01:50:43,160
Speaker 1: tent walls. Rushing them. Captain Solomon kicked the knife out

1647
01:50:43,160 --> 01:50:46,920
Speaker 1: of the hand of one, shot another, and bayonetted a third.

1648
01:50:47,640 --> 01:50:50,960
Speaker 1: Captain Solomon butted the fourth enemy soldier in the stomach,

1649
01:50:51,240 --> 01:50:54,439
Speaker 1: and a wounded comrade then shot and killed the enemy soldier.

1650
01:50:55,520 --> 01:50:59,519
Speaker 1: Realizing the gravity of the situation, Captain Solomon ordered the

1651
01:50:59,560 --> 01:51:01,840
Speaker 1: wounded to make their way as best they could back

1652
01:51:01,880 --> 01:51:05,360
Speaker 1: to the regimental aid station while he attempted to hold

1653
01:51:05,400 --> 01:51:09,080
Speaker 1: off the enemy until they were clear. Captain Solomon then

1654
01:51:09,160 --> 01:51:11,599
Speaker 1: grabbed a rifle from one of the wounded and rushed

1655
01:51:11,600 --> 01:51:14,719
Speaker 1: out of the tent. After four men were killed while

1656
01:51:14,720 --> 01:51:18,400
Speaker 1: manning a machine gun, Captain Solomon took control of it.

1657
01:51:19,680 --> 01:51:25,120
Speaker 1: When his body was later found, ninety eight dead enemy

1658
01:51:25,240 --> 01:51:30,000
Speaker 1: soldiers were piled in front of his position. Captain Solomon's

1659
01:51:30,000 --> 01:51:33,240
Speaker 1: extraordinary heroism and devotion to du during keeping with the

1660
01:51:33,320 --> 01:51:37,160
Speaker 1: highest traditions of military service and reflect great credit upon

1661
01:51:37,240 --> 01:51:48,719
Speaker 1: himself his unit in the United States Army eight ninety eight.

1662
01:51:49,880 --> 01:51:54,320
Speaker 1: The dude was a surgeon, not a Green Beret. A surgeon,

1663
01:51:55,160 --> 01:52:00,960
Speaker 1: an oral surgeon at that. He's a freaking dentist. A

1664
01:52:01,040 --> 01:52:07,920
Speaker 1: couple of other things. One Harold Lauren Grant, USMC, World

1665
01:52:07,920 --> 01:52:10,200
Speaker 1: War Two. It's another one I got lost at C.

1666
01:52:11,840 --> 01:52:13,960
Speaker 1: I have a couple of these missing in action lost

1667
01:52:14,000 --> 01:52:18,559
Speaker 1: at C. Things like that. Let's make sure we say

1668
01:52:18,600 --> 01:52:22,439
Speaker 1: a prayer for their families too. It's it's one thing,

1669
01:52:24,000 --> 01:52:25,400
Speaker 1: I mean, it has to be the worst thing in

1670
01:52:25,400 --> 01:52:28,360
Speaker 1: the world to get to get that letter or get

1671
01:52:28,400 --> 01:52:32,160
Speaker 1: that knock at your door. I'm sorry, ma'am, your son

1672
01:52:32,240 --> 01:52:35,880
Speaker 1: isn't isn't ever coming home again. Just the thought of

1673
01:52:35,880 --> 01:52:37,880
Speaker 1: that as apparent, the thought of that, it just tears

1674
01:52:37,920 --> 01:52:42,479
Speaker 1: your guts out. But the guys who were lost at

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01:52:42,560 --> 01:52:45,160
Speaker 1: sea or missing in action, there were a bunch of

1676
01:52:45,200 --> 01:52:48,360
Speaker 1: missing in actions in World War Two in places like Vietnam,

1677
01:52:48,640 --> 01:52:50,360
Speaker 1: and there are a bunch of different reasons for it.

1678
01:52:50,400 --> 01:52:54,400
Speaker 1: Battles so chaotic, not to put not to put it

1679
01:52:54,439 --> 01:52:59,640
Speaker 1: too bluntly, with the introduction of artillery into war, sometimes

1680
01:52:59,640 --> 01:53:02,080
Speaker 1: there's nothing left to find. I'll just leave it to

1681
01:53:02,120 --> 01:53:06,519
Speaker 1: you that way. But when that guy goes and he's

1682
01:53:06,560 --> 01:53:08,400
Speaker 1: lost at sea, it goes to the bottom of the ocean.

1683
01:53:08,400 --> 01:53:10,599
Speaker 1: He's missing an action in the jungle, something like that.

1684
01:53:13,120 --> 01:53:17,719
Speaker 1: Their family not only loses them, wife loses a husband,

1685
01:53:17,800 --> 01:53:19,519
Speaker 1: you know, parents lose a son, that kind of thing.

1686
01:53:19,720 --> 01:53:23,400
Speaker 1: They're they're not only lost. You don't get closure. Your

1687
01:53:23,439 --> 01:53:27,800
Speaker 1: family doesn't get the closure of knowing. Okay, my son

1688
01:53:27,920 --> 01:53:30,840
Speaker 1: died in Iraq, my son died in World War One.

1689
01:53:30,920 --> 01:53:33,960
Speaker 1: My son, my son died he was shot an artillery

1690
01:53:33,960 --> 01:53:39,920
Speaker 1: thing instead. It's almost cruel. But because they're officially missing

1691
01:53:39,920 --> 01:53:43,680
Speaker 1: an action for quite a while. It almost leaves you

1692
01:53:43,760 --> 01:53:47,559
Speaker 1: hanging out there, clinging on to hope when you know

1693
01:53:47,680 --> 01:53:51,280
Speaker 1: you probably shouldn't. Maybe they'll come walking through the door

1694
01:53:51,320 --> 01:53:55,040
Speaker 1: again one day, and they don't, So they deserve a

1695
01:53:55,080 --> 01:53:58,000
Speaker 1: special prayer to So before I say, before I say

1696
01:53:58,000 --> 01:53:59,679
Speaker 1: one final thing, I just want to say this another

1697
01:53:59,760 --> 01:54:02,880
Speaker 1: name on my list, PFC Edgar Romeo Roy World War

1698
01:54:02,920 --> 01:54:09,160
Speaker 1: two Baton Death March, those Baton Death March, Guys, a

1699
01:54:09,200 --> 01:54:11,439
Speaker 1: lot of people, most people have heard of the Baton

1700
01:54:11,520 --> 01:54:14,719
Speaker 1: Death March. But what a lot of people don't realize

1701
01:54:14,800 --> 01:54:19,360
Speaker 1: is the Baton Death March. It took place after a

1702
01:54:19,600 --> 01:54:23,600
Speaker 1: long battle with the Japanese on the Philippines, and the

1703
01:54:23,680 --> 01:54:26,519
Speaker 1: men who took off on that brutal Baton Death March

1704
01:54:26,560 --> 01:54:31,760
Speaker 1: where the Japanese were torturing them the bayonetting them, just

1705
01:54:31,840 --> 01:54:36,760
Speaker 1: driving over them with trucks, just mistreating them terribly and

1706
01:54:36,800 --> 01:54:39,560
Speaker 1: putting them on this long march with no water and

1707
01:54:39,680 --> 01:54:43,440
Speaker 1: no food. When they took off on that march, when

1708
01:54:43,440 --> 01:54:46,640
Speaker 1: they left, it was at the back end of the fighting.

1709
01:54:46,680 --> 01:54:51,440
Speaker 1: So these men were already starving, already dying of dysentery,

1710
01:54:51,920 --> 01:54:56,520
Speaker 1: already gaunt and gone, and then they end their time

1711
01:54:57,240 --> 01:55:00,600
Speaker 1: on some brutal forced march where they're mistreated terribly. It's

1712
01:55:00,640 --> 01:55:04,000
Speaker 1: just an awful, awful thing. One last thing before I

1713
01:55:04,040 --> 01:55:08,560
Speaker 1: wrap up here, I'm gonna end the show playing taps.

1714
01:55:09,960 --> 01:55:12,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna end the show playing taps. You won't hear

1715
01:55:12,960 --> 01:55:15,920
Speaker 1: my voice again at the end of it. I don't

1716
01:55:15,960 --> 01:55:19,400
Speaker 1: ever ask you to stick around. I will ask you

1717
01:55:19,440 --> 01:55:22,560
Speaker 1: this time. Stick around until the end of that song.

1718
01:55:22,680 --> 01:55:26,120
Speaker 1: Take it's forty eight seconds long. Take forty eight seconds.

1719
01:55:26,160 --> 01:55:29,720
Speaker 1: If you're not driving, close your eyes, say a prayer.

1720
01:55:30,640 --> 01:55:34,480
Speaker 1: Remember the ones who gave it, Remember the reason we

1721
01:55:34,520 --> 01:55:36,800
Speaker 1: get to celebrate our day, and then go celebrate the day,

1722
01:55:36,920 --> 01:55:40,800
Speaker 1: enjoy your day. But this is a time to remember

1723
01:55:40,920 --> 01:55:44,280
Speaker 1: the ones who gave it. All right, it's been the

1724
01:55:44,400 --> 01:55:48,080
Speaker 1: Jesse Kelly Show. This is our Memorial Day special today.

1725
01:55:49,360 --> 01:55:52,040
Speaker 1: Go remember them while you listen to this song, and

1726
01:55:52,080 --> 01:55:54,760
Speaker 1: then enjoy your time with your family. All right, it's

1727
01:55:54,840 --> 01:55:57,800
Speaker 1: Memorial Day. We'll be back doing our normal show tomorrow.

1728
01:55:59,200 --> 01:56:45,760
Speaker 1: That's all. Your holster is way more important than you

1729
01:56:45,800 --> 01:56:48,720
Speaker 1: think it is. It's just way more important than you

1730
01:56:48,760 --> 01:56:51,320
Speaker 1: think it is. What look and I get that the

1731
01:56:51,440 --> 01:56:55,280
Speaker 1: holsters not the sexy part of carrying firearms. All right,

1732
01:56:55,720 --> 01:56:57,960
Speaker 1: you want to talk about your weapon and your ammunition.

1733
01:56:58,120 --> 01:56:59,760
Speaker 1: Do you want to talk about your safety training? You

1734
01:56:59,760 --> 01:57:01,800
Speaker 1: want to talk about how you did at the range. Oh,

1735
01:57:01,840 --> 01:57:04,240
Speaker 1: look at my groups. I was doing these failure drills today,

1736
01:57:04,240 --> 01:57:05,960
Speaker 1: and all that stuff is really important. I mean, really

1737
01:57:05,960 --> 01:57:09,280
Speaker 1: really important. I'm not discounting that, but I've known so

1738
01:57:09,320 --> 01:57:11,440
Speaker 1: many people who do all those things. They take all

1739
01:57:11,440 --> 01:57:15,960
Speaker 1: the necessary steps, and then they carry with a holster

1740
01:57:16,120 --> 01:57:18,560
Speaker 1: they bought from a big box hunting store that was

1741
01:57:18,640 --> 01:57:22,080
Speaker 1: made a thousand at a time. Please don't put your

1742
01:57:22,080 --> 01:57:25,200
Speaker 1: life in one of those holsters. You need to trust

1743
01:57:25,280 --> 01:57:30,240
Speaker 1: Northwest Retention Systems because it's all custom made gear. It's

1744
01:57:30,280 --> 01:57:35,160
Speaker 1: the only thing I carry around NW retention dot Com.

1745
01:57:35,200 --> 01:57:39,000
Speaker 1: That's NW retention dot Com used to promo co Jesse

1746
01:57:39,520 --> 01:57:40,680
Speaker 1: gets you ten percent off