1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:01,440 Speaker 1: Hey, what's up everybody. 2 00:00:01,480 --> 00:00:05,120 Speaker 2: I'm Jamel Hill and welcome to politics and I heard 3 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 2: podcasts and unbothered production. 4 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 1: Time to get spolitical. 5 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 2: It's Black History Month, and since there seems to be 6 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 2: a concerted effort to just erase the presence of black folks, 7 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 2: not just in February, but all year long, it's important 8 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 2: to share those stories they are determined to bury. So 9 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 2: for the rest of this month, I want to share 10 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 2: some of these stories here on Politics, especially those that 11 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:37,240 Speaker 2: aren't known as much. And on this episode, I want 12 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 2: to share the story of track and field sensation Rose Robinson, 13 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 2: who carries a very important distinction in sports history. Robinson 14 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:48,559 Speaker 2: is believed to be the first black athlete who refused 15 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 2: to stand for the national anthem to protest against racial injustice, 16 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 2: which she did during the opening ceremonies of the nineteen 17 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 2: fifty nine Pan American Games. Now, before I get into 18 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 2: what compelled Robinson to take a stand, and then, let 19 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:04,040 Speaker 2: me explain some of her backstory, because then you will 20 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 2: understand why her decision to stay seated during the national 21 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 2: anthem was completely on brand. Rose Robinson was born in 22 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 2: nineteen twenty five. 23 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:12,759 Speaker 1: She was a. 24 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 2: Gifted track athlete, and her specialty was high jumped. In 25 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:19,959 Speaker 2: her twenties, Robinson became deeply involved in the movement. She 26 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:22,560 Speaker 2: led a small chapter of the Congress of Racial Equality 27 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 2: organization while she worked as a social worker at a 28 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:29,479 Speaker 2: Cleveland community center. Now, Robinson organized and led a protest 29 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 2: against a segregated skating rate. Not only did she lead 30 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:36,760 Speaker 2: this skate in, but she also defied the segregation rules 31 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 2: and skated at the rink anyway. The white patrons were 32 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 2: so angry at Robinson they tried to trip her as 33 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 2: she skated, and unfortunately they were successful. Robinson suffered a 34 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 2: broken arm. Now, while all of this was going on, 35 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 2: Robinson still continued to show her prowess in track and field. 36 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 2: When she returned to Chicago in the late nineteen fifties, 37 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 2: she was an accomplished high jumper, and in nineteen fifty 38 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 2: eight she won high jump at the National AAU Championship, 39 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 2: earning a spot on the US women's track and field team, 40 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:08,959 Speaker 2: which was mostly black. Now, shortly after receiving that honor, 41 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 2: Rose was invited to compete in Russia at a State 42 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 2: Department track event. Now, this was during the height of 43 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 2: the Cold War and the purpose of the event was 44 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 2: to use black athletes to promote America's foreign policy agenda overseas. 45 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 1: Now the United. 46 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 2: States government they often used the presence of black athletes 47 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:29,359 Speaker 2: and entertainers to shield themselves from criticism for terrorizing black 48 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 2: folks under Jim Crow on their own soil. Now, as 49 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 2: you can see, the recipe for black obedience hasn't changed, 50 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:40,119 Speaker 2: has it. But Rose Robinson wasn't having it. She told 51 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 2: Jet magazine. I don't want anyone to think my athletics 52 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:46,079 Speaker 2: have political connotations. In other words, I don't want to 53 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 2: be used as a political pawn. 54 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 1: Now. 55 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 2: As you might imagine, that did not sit well with 56 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 2: Track officials nor the US government. A year later, after 57 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 2: standing ten toes down about not going to Russia, she 58 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 2: was competing in the Panamas in Chicago, and when the 59 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 2: national anthem played during the opening ceremonies, Robinson stayed seated 60 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 2: as if to say, oh nah, y'all got it. As 61 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 2: you might imagine, Robinson was vilified. Six months after she 62 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:16,359 Speaker 2: sat during the anthem to protest the treatment of her people. 63 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:19,959 Speaker 2: The United States government arrested her for tax evasion because 64 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:23,079 Speaker 2: she owed three hundred and eighty six dollars Robinson told 65 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 2: Jet magazine she didn't. 66 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 1: Pay taxes from nineteen fifty four to nineteen. 67 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 2: Fifty eight because, as she put it, I know a 68 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 2: large part of it goes to armaments. The US government 69 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 2: is very active in Adam Bomb's and fallout, which is 70 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 2: destructive rather than constructive. If I pay income tax, I 71 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 2: am participating in that destruction. 72 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 3: Ooop. 73 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 1: Robinson was sentenced to a year and a day in jail. 74 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 2: The day she was sentenced, authorities had to carry her 75 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 2: out of the courtroom because she refused to walk. She 76 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 2: literally made them carry her to jail. But Robinson wasn't 77 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 2: done expressing her descent. While in jail, Robinson went on 78 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 2: a hunger strike that generated a ton of media attention, 79 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 2: hundreds of letters of support, and even protesters who demonstrated 80 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 2: outside the courthouse. Robinson was so fril from the hunger 81 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 2: strike that she was force fed intraveniously the resistance, though 82 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 2: it paid off. After three months of being on a 83 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:18,719 Speaker 2: hunger strike, she was released. Now do y'all think she 84 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:21,360 Speaker 2: paid that three hundred and eighty six dollars. Here's a hint, 85 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:26,599 Speaker 2: hell naw. Her stin in prison essentially ended her athletic career. Physically, 86 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:28,919 Speaker 2: she was unable to compete, and at that point she 87 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:32,279 Speaker 2: had burned so many bridges in the sports world. After 88 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 2: being released, Robinson continued, though, to resist and protest while 89 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 2: also creating change. Robinson linked up with a group called 90 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 2: the Peacemakers. Her and two other organizers were traveling to 91 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:46,360 Speaker 2: Maryland and attempted to eat at a segregated restaurant. Robinson 92 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 2: and her friends refused to leave. They were then arrested, 93 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 2: but they refused to appear in court, and they refused 94 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:55,159 Speaker 2: to eat while in jail. They eventually wore the authorities 95 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 2: down and were given fifty dollar finds and released. Y'all 96 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 2: know she didn't pay that fifty dollars five right, but 97 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 2: their defiance sparked the local movement to end segregation and 98 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:07,039 Speaker 2: restaurants in Maryland and now. As you can see from 99 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 2: Robinson's life, track and field was something she did and 100 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 2: something she excelled at, but it did not define who 101 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:15,720 Speaker 2: she was. She used her platform as a tool, and 102 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 2: even when she no longer had track and Field to amplify. 103 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:21,840 Speaker 1: Her message, she never abandoned what was important. 104 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:25,160 Speaker 2: Robinson died in nineteen seventy six at just fifty two 105 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 2: years old. I'm hoping she never paid the FEDS a 106 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:32,480 Speaker 2: dime the rest of her life. I'm Jamelle Hill and 107 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:37,039 Speaker 2: I approved this message. Now I'm very excited about today's episode. 108 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 2: My guest today has a very unique and organic brand 109 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:42,279 Speaker 2: in the social media space. He is known as the 110 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 2: meme King, the King of NBA Twitter, but I think 111 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:46,840 Speaker 2: of him as someone who is proof that the best 112 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 2: way to build a great brand is to try to 113 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 2: not build the brand, just be authentic. He's got a 114 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 2: huge social media following, and his well timed memes have 115 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 2: been applauded by the likes of Lebron James and Keegan, 116 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:01,479 Speaker 2: Michael Key and legions of NBA fans. Currently, he is 117 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 2: host of Gil's Arena, which stars Gilbert Arenas and Rashad 118 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 2: McCants and a rotating group of NBA and WNBA players 119 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:10,159 Speaker 2: of the Cheryl Swoops, Kenyon Martin, Brandon Jennings, Lexi Brown, 120 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:13,360 Speaker 2: and Nick Young. But despite all of his success, my 121 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:15,919 Speaker 2: guess is just a regular down earth dude. 122 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 1: Coming up next on his politics Josiah Johnson. 123 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 2: All right, Josiah, I want to start this podcast by 124 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:31,480 Speaker 2: asking you a question. I ask every guest who appears 125 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 2: on politics and that is name an athlete or a 126 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 2: moment that made. 127 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 3: You love sports athlete or moment made me love sports. Ooh, 128 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:47,039 Speaker 3: I'm gonna go. It's a good question. There's so many 129 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 3: kind of think moment athlete. I'm gonna go. I'm gonna 130 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 3: go off off the beaten path a little bit. I'm 131 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 3: gonna go ed Obannon, UCLA. So I was a ball 132 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 3: boy ULA for the ninety four to ninety five year, 133 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 3: last time you say basketball, the national championship. A lot 134 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 3: of time. My older brother Chris was on the team, 135 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 3: so I got to spend a lot of time with 136 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 3: the crew, you know, pregame, rebound and form working with him. 137 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 3: So the Seattle band in that season, and a lot 138 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 3: of people know ed from his NCAA lawsuit and all 139 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 3: the things he's done in the aftermath for player likeness 140 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 3: and nil and all the stuff that you see now. 141 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 3: But to see ed that last year, no history, everything 142 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 3: he had been through him leading that team to a 143 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:25,119 Speaker 3: national championship and ultimately sacrificing the rest of his career. 144 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 3: He had bad knees, so he was counting in his 145 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 3: knee drain in that year doing a bunch of stuff, 146 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 3: but just to see him as a leader and what 147 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 3: he was able to do with that squad me as 148 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 3: like a young, impressionable kid, almost almost a teenager. So 149 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 3: I say that moment in my my, you know, kind 150 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 3: of teen life and before that, younger than that, probably 151 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 3: just Magic Johnson. Honestly growing up in Los Angeles, seeing 152 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 3: Magic this larger than life figure but always approachable, just 153 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 3: a really great dude, and everything he had dealt with 154 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 3: at that time, you know, nineteen ninety one. I think 155 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 3: everybody remembers the announcement, kind of all the uncertainty around, 156 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 3: you know, his health status, his future and what he 157 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 3: was going to be. But to see Magic still here, 158 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 3: healthier than the most of most of us, you know, 159 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 3: just to see that it's another dude. But showtime Lakers air. 160 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 3: My dad played for the Clippers, so we kind of 161 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 3: were in the shadow of the Lakers. I was forced 162 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 3: to be a Clippers fan growing up. 163 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 1: Forced. 164 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't know any better. But slowly, but surely, 165 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 3: as a kid, you start to realize, like, wait a minute, 166 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 3: like sports arena is always empty, ain't nothing really going on? 167 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 3: And you got all this other stuff going on. I 168 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 3: grew up near Englewood. So everything that the Lakers impact 169 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 3: that they had, So I say magic in my early 170 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 3: life and uh ed O'Bannon for kind of my preteens 171 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 3: in or my teenage. 172 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, that team, because I'm of a certain age, I 173 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 2: remember them vividly. Tias Adney trying to think of the guard, 174 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 2: the freshman, light skinned cat, Toby Baana, Toby Bailey. Obviously 175 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:44,840 Speaker 2: the old Bannon is like that was a really really 176 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 2: special team, you know, as somebody who grew up here 177 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:51,079 Speaker 2: in LA And for those who don't know, your father's 178 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:56,560 Speaker 2: Marcus Johnson what five time NBA Also, yeah, you know 179 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 2: I know. 180 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:58,720 Speaker 1: Him beyond just raiment from White me and cajup. 181 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:01,959 Speaker 3: But you're a professional, so already know you did your to. 182 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 1: Do a little digging. 183 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 2: But I mean I knew who he was, you know, 184 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 2: before then, and he is legitimately considered one of the 185 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 2: best hoopers to ever come out of this area. You know, 186 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 2: you played ball yourself, you went to UCLA, you came up. 187 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 1: You had your own hoops journey. 188 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 2: Your father being such a big star around here, how 189 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 2: did his accomplishments kind of impact how your basketball career 190 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 2: was seen? 191 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:29,320 Speaker 3: So I've got a bunch of brothers, and uh, you know, 192 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 3: we all tell the story for a long long time 193 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:33,679 Speaker 3: in my life. People don't know me as Josiah. It 194 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 3: was either little Marcus, you know, or little Chris, who 195 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:38,679 Speaker 3: was my older brother. They both played at Crenshall High 196 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 3: School one city championships. I want to say with the 197 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:42,840 Speaker 3: first father and son in LA to be able to 198 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 3: do that, so you kind of see it. But I 199 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:47,720 Speaker 3: was super young for the beginning of his career. He 200 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 3: had a tragic neck injury I believe nineteen eighty five 201 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 3: eighty six. I was probably like three or four years old. 202 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:54,439 Speaker 3: Remember the game Noise playing against the Dallas Maths, and 203 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 3: I remember he just didn't come home that night, and 204 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 3: we were at the game. Everybody's kind of down, Distras said. 205 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:01,680 Speaker 3: And then for the next couple of years neck brace. 206 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 3: He ended up, you know, messing up a lot of 207 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 3: stuff in his vertebrae, was almost paralyzed, ended up battling 208 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 3: through that. So the first real experience that I got 209 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 3: to see with him in his pro career. He got 210 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:15,200 Speaker 3: a brief stint in Golden State with the Warriors in 211 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 3: the nineteen eighty nine ninety season. This was right around 212 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 3: the TMC time. So I want to say like Tim 213 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:21,839 Speaker 3: Hardaway was the second year player there, Chris Mullin was there, 214 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 3: Mitch Rickman was there. That was the first time I 215 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 3: really got to be like immersed in NBA culture and world. 216 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 3: And then in the aftermath of that White Man Can 217 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 3: Jump I believe, came out nineteen ninety two ish, So 218 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 3: I was a part of the whole process with him. 219 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 3: From you know, reading lines, I got to see him. 220 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 3: He was a method actor, so he didn't cut his 221 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 3: hair or shaved as he was embodying this Raymond character. 222 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 3: Got to spend a little bit of time on set. 223 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 3: My older brother Chris actually makes cameos in it. A 224 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 3: lot of friends and people that we know, but everywhere 225 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 3: we would go, you would just see the way that 226 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:52,680 Speaker 3: people would treat him and touch the high regard they 227 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 3: would have him been he's coaching my youth league teams 228 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:57,320 Speaker 3: and just you know, other coaches looking over just in awe. 229 00:10:57,440 --> 00:10:59,680 Speaker 3: And every time he walked into a gym, this the 230 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:01,960 Speaker 3: whole room just stops and looks at him and all 231 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 3: the love that he would get. So for us, there 232 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 3: was a tremendous amount of pressure to be able to 233 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 3: try to, you know, attain an accomplished status that he 234 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 3: had as a professional athlete. But to his credit, he 235 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:12,320 Speaker 3: was always he just wanted us to all be our 236 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 3: own individuals, you know, work hard and whatever you were 237 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:17,440 Speaker 3: going to do. He never really pushed us towards anything 238 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 3: in particular. It's actually funny. He was so at UCLA. 239 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:22,679 Speaker 3: I think he majored in theater arts, so he used 240 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 3: to do a lot of stuff in that space. So 241 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:26,080 Speaker 3: he would push us a lot towards the entertainment side. 242 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:28,319 Speaker 3: So even as a young kid, I was doing acting 243 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 3: classes and taking summer classes, different things like that. But 244 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:33,079 Speaker 3: he would push us in that. He would come make 245 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 3: cameos in our little you know, third grade, fourth grade 246 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:37,960 Speaker 3: student films and things like that. But he always just 247 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:40,320 Speaker 3: wanted us to be the best human beings we could be. 248 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 3: He pushed us towards basketball. Of course, it was very 249 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 3: tough on us to try to get us to where 250 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 3: we wanted to be, just like his life was to 251 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:48,840 Speaker 3: get where he was. But I think ultimately he start 252 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 3: to get older, you start to realize, I'm probably not 253 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:53,440 Speaker 3: going to get to that level. I'm not gonna you know, 254 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:55,439 Speaker 3: there's only a few that have really been able to 255 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:57,680 Speaker 3: surpass the achievements of their father. You think about like 256 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 3: Steph Curry, people like that. I look at Bronnie now 257 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 3: and it's like, I just imagine the pressure that Broni's 258 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 3: dealing with. And it's no shade to Bronni, but you 259 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 3: are never gonna be as good as your father. And 260 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:08,199 Speaker 3: I think that's what a lot of us have to 261 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 3: come to realize. But again, to my dad's credit, he 262 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 3: never forced us or pushed us or put that pressure 263 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:15,080 Speaker 3: on us. If anything, you try to diffuse that pressure 264 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 3: in that tension and just wanted us to be the 265 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:18,440 Speaker 3: best that we could be at whatever we did. 266 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 2: When it comes to content creation, you probably, I mean, 267 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 2: you hold a lane that's so unique in sports, and 268 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:29,080 Speaker 2: you obviously you started a lot of trends in sports 269 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:32,679 Speaker 2: just based off how you approach using social media. 270 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 1: So what title do you prefer? 271 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:35,320 Speaker 3: Mean? 272 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 2: King, King of sports Comedy, King of NBA Twitter? Like, 273 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:43,079 Speaker 2: what's your preferred title when it comes to what you do? 274 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:44,559 Speaker 3: I'm gonna be right hat and all that shit. I 275 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 3: just like Joe Sien, I mean, because I walk you 276 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 3: around places and just so people know the context, my 277 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:53,079 Speaker 3: social media handles King Joe Siah fifty four right a 278 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 3: mirror that after Lebron, who win? It's King James. Like 279 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 3: when I was starting all this stuff, I might let 280 00:12:56,960 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 3: me just pick a name, didn't really think much of it. 281 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:00,680 Speaker 3: But now when I walk in up, like what's up 282 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:02,960 Speaker 3: King or whatever? I can always tell people like I 283 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:05,200 Speaker 3: know who really knows me who really doesn't, Because people 284 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:07,720 Speaker 3: who really know me will call me joe So joe 285 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:10,439 Speaker 3: yess me my nickname. My mom nicknamed me Joey as 286 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 3: a little kid. So people who really know me, family friends, 287 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 3: like what's up Joey? Like that's how they refer to me. 288 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 3: So anytime I walk in somewhere and people like what's up, King, 289 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 3: I'm like, Okay, this person doesn't really know me. Like 290 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 3: all love and respect, I appreciate it. So all that 291 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 3: stuff is cool. Believe me, I've worked really hard and 292 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 3: it's great to see that people recognize that and appreciate that. 293 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 3: But I'm just a regular dude, Like you know, I 294 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 3: just I pull up, like I try to stay out 295 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 3: the way, I spend time, my family, do what I 296 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 3: gotta do. But to see the success that that stuff 297 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:38,319 Speaker 3: has happened definitely appreciative of it, but I hate title, 298 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 3: so I mean producer, executive producer or whatever. Creator so 299 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 3: many you know hyphens, I guess hyphen in whatever they 300 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 3: call it. Like, I just like to do the work, 301 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 3: grind and see positive results from it. 302 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:51,200 Speaker 2: Now, in twenty nineteen, I think you had about like 303 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 2: twenty five thousand Twitter followers, and you know, we see 304 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 2: I don't know what's your follower account now, probably about it. 305 00:13:56,920 --> 00:13:58,840 Speaker 3: I're in like the two hundred and sixty five thousand 306 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 3: range or whatever. But every time there's like a big 307 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:03,839 Speaker 3: you know, right around November. There was a huge dip 308 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 3: right around mid January January twenty if I think MLK 309 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 3: Day to be exact, there were some other things going on. 310 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 3: It was a mL I was just trying to celebrate Mlkday, 311 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:15,319 Speaker 3: my my business. Some other things were going on in 312 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 3: the country. So I'll see those kind of shifts in it. 313 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 3: But it's been interesting to see, Like there was a 314 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 3: point where it was just like always on the steady incline, 315 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 3: but around like October twenty twenty two, things kind of 316 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 3: took a turn. I think people can do the matter. 317 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 1: I think we could connect the dots on that one. 318 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 2: But Nevertheless, like your tweets, they get insane impressions. I mean, 319 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 2: were they were there maybe a couple of key moments 320 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 2: that you think really exploded or what were those key 321 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 2: moments that allowed you to sort of take that moniker 322 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 2: that you don't particularly like as becoming like the mean king. 323 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 3: Of the end. So I got to take it back. 324 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 3: So I came up once a. UCLA wasn't that good. 325 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 3: I'll be the first to admit it. I think good 326 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 3: better than ninety nine percent of society. But the reality 327 00:14:57,680 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 3: road the bench kind of knew that basketball wasn't going 328 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 3: to be a our long term future. So started working 329 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 3: in sports entertainment over Fox Sports, NFL Network. Worked in 330 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 3: NFL Network for a number of years, And while I 331 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 3: was doing that, I started a blog called Jersey Chaser, 332 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 3: and that for me was just like a creative outlet 333 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 3: to get my thoughts out. I think at that time 334 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 3: there was kind of a control and dominance over sports 335 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 3: media landscape where people weren't really respective of athletes and 336 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 3: all the things that they put in to get to 337 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 3: they want to be. Is it was a lot of 338 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 3: people who had never done it before kind of just 339 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 3: given their opinions about the world and about sports culture 340 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 3: and things like that. So did that built that up, 341 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 3: ended up as a result of that, getting a TV 342 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 3: show on Comedy Central called Legend of Chamberlain Heights animated 343 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 3: series that was based on my experience with a couple 344 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 3: of buddies of mine riding the end of the bench 345 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 3: at UCLA. So that I thought, all right, cool, I'm 346 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 3: gonna be We're gonna be the next South Park. You know, 347 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 3: We're gonna be the next Tray, and Matt like, we're 348 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 3: gonna well, you know, I'm gonna be a billionaire all 349 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 3: that stuff. Show ends up getting canceled after two seasons, 350 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 3: and I'm kind of left in limbo, no man's land. 351 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 3: I don't really have anything, you know, as people as yourself. 352 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 3: You know, you work in this entertainment industry. When you hot, 353 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 3: everybody wants to work with you. They love you. When 354 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 3: you're not, the phones call stopped bringing like and you 355 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 3: got to start figuring out life again. So I'm thankful 356 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 3: and blessed to have a lot of different skill sets 357 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 3: and things that I could do. And then I started 358 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 3: just looking at social media. I'm like, well, for me, 359 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 3: I kind of just got depressed after the show ended. 360 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 3: Kind of got tired of dealing with kind of the 361 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 3: corporate entertainment side of things, notes, calls, all that type 362 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 3: of stuff, and I was like, let me just operate 363 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:23,160 Speaker 3: in a vacuum and build this thing up and figure 364 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 3: it out. So I was working at a company and 365 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 3: you know NFL network, different spots, writing articles, doing stuff 366 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 3: on the company computers. You know, bosses would come in. 367 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 3: I have to X out of the screen real quick, 368 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 3: act like I'm doing my NFL stuff. But slowly, but surely, 369 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 3: that stuff started to take off to the point where 370 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 3: my boss's NFL network we'd be talking about articles from 371 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 3: the website I posted under an alias, and I'm just 372 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 3: sitting there cracking up, like they got no idea that 373 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 3: it's me doing this stuff. So that stuff took off, 374 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 3: ended up leading to the show Comedy Central. That show 375 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 3: gets canceled. I start doing social media kind of as 376 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 3: a hobby at that point, like a lot of people, 377 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 3: I'm just like, well, I can get my unfiltered thoughts 378 00:16:57,320 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 3: out here. I don't have to get anybody's permission or approval. 379 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 3: So it just started doing a lot of stuff in 380 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 3: the meme space. And notice I would watch shows like 381 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 3: Game of Thrones, Insecure, see the communities that were built 382 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:09,440 Speaker 3: around those shows, like had the Isa Hive and the 383 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 3: Lawrence Hive and all that stuff going on, and I'm 384 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:14,119 Speaker 3: just like, this is the future of content. This is 385 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:16,720 Speaker 3: the future of the world. And you know, back in 386 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:18,880 Speaker 3: the days when Legends of Chamber and Heights started, everything 387 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:20,680 Speaker 3: was we're gonna give you some billboards and you're gonna 388 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 3: be in magazines and stuff like that, and I'm just thinking, like, 389 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 3: that's not how people engage or interact with content. I 390 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 3: find out everything. I find out through Twitter, through Instagram, 391 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 3: through social media, and really see people born out of 392 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:33,200 Speaker 3: this thing, kind of non traditional stars, if you will, 393 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 3: that have grown out of this whole world in this 394 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 3: lane where they can control their destiny with what they do. 395 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 3: So I just really started hitting it hard, really started 396 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 3: looking at memes and for me, like growing up playing basketball, 397 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 3: being in locker rooms, like it was always getting the 398 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 3: jokes off, and you had to know pop culture, you 399 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:49,240 Speaker 3: had to know sports culture, you know, you had to 400 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:50,679 Speaker 3: know everything to be able to kind of hold your 401 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 3: own to survivor amongst the sharks in the locker room 402 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 3: where everybody's clowning each other or whatever it may be. 403 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 3: So I use meme culture to really grow, and I 404 00:17:57,240 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 3: think the first kind of pivotal moment for me, I 405 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:03,640 Speaker 3: won't forget this, Like Antonio Brown had bounced around from 406 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:06,240 Speaker 3: like two or three different teams like the Patriots, the Raiders, whatever, 407 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 3: if you remember those times. So I did a get 408 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 3: Out meme of him seeing Josh Gordon at the Patriots facility, 409 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:14,199 Speaker 3: like I think the Raiders that released him. You know, 410 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:16,400 Speaker 3: he made that video I'm free whatever, run around the house. 411 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 3: So he goes and at that time Belichick coaching the 412 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:21,439 Speaker 3: Patriots the Patriots way, everybody kind of knew what it was. 413 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:24,119 Speaker 3: Josh Gordon had been there for a while. So I 414 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:27,159 Speaker 3: had a scene from get Out, you know when the 415 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:29,199 Speaker 3: main character SE's a keif character at that little like 416 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 3: get together gathering whatever. He tried to tap him up 417 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:34,479 Speaker 3: and gets, you know, he gets the week the handshake. 418 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:36,399 Speaker 3: So I made a video that Jordan Peele ended up 419 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 3: seeing it, and then Jordan Peel idole of Mine had 420 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 3: Key and Peel at Comedy Central at that point. And 421 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:43,200 Speaker 3: I always tell people this story kind of just as 422 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:46,640 Speaker 3: a motivational tool for them, Like me and Jordan Peel 423 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 3: both had a TV show the same network. If I 424 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:49,680 Speaker 3: would have went to my agents, like, yo, can you 425 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:51,679 Speaker 3: give me a meeting with Jordan Peel, they would have 426 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 3: pretended like they were gonna do it. It would have never happened. 427 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 3: You know. We reached out to his team, he wasn't available, 428 00:18:56,280 --> 00:19:00,200 Speaker 3: blah blah blah. But through that thing he quotes the 429 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:02,480 Speaker 3: video said you win, Joe Side Like, I made a 430 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:04,160 Speaker 3: t shirt out of it, Like, took a screen grab 431 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:06,359 Speaker 3: of the tweet. Still got the shirt in my closet 432 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 3: at home. You went just so I ended up following me. 433 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 3: We DM back and forth and talked and communicated and connected, 434 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:12,960 Speaker 3: and that was kind of the first real time I 435 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 3: realized that the power that social has. And then obviously 436 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 3: a lot of people now remember like Lebron you know, 437 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:21,359 Speaker 3: calling me the King or whatever it may be. And 438 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:24,359 Speaker 3: I think that was twenty twenty one, if I'm not mistaken. 439 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:28,400 Speaker 3: During the playoffs again, similar situation. I think the Nets 440 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 3: are playing in the playoffs. Bruce Brown kind of took 441 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 3: some crazy shots, so I throw up a Harlem Knights video, 442 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:36,879 Speaker 3: you know, stop shooting that little shit, you know, But 443 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 3: just as a kid growing up, I would see all 444 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 3: this stuff and it just I was I loved entertainment. 445 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 3: I love media, love content. So that then getting like 446 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 3: the co sign from Lebron at that point like really 447 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:48,440 Speaker 3: kind of put me on the map. But it's playing 448 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:50,359 Speaker 3: like before that atter he created a TV show for 449 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:52,120 Speaker 3: Comedy Central and done a bunch of stuff. So people 450 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:53,360 Speaker 3: will look at that and be like, oh, that's when 451 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:55,879 Speaker 3: you really got put on like not been doing it, 452 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:58,879 Speaker 3: but that was like, all right, I'm here now. It 453 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:01,720 Speaker 3: really just showed me social the ability that it has 454 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 3: to help elevate and grow you as a human being 455 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 3: in your personal life, your career and as you know now, 456 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 3: like you can't really walk in the door of a 457 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 3: network or whatever. First thing they're looking at is you're 458 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 3: following what kind of engagement you have and how you 459 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 3: can move the needle and culture without having to rely 460 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 3: on what, you know, whatever resources they have, Like can 461 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:21,679 Speaker 3: you build this up yourself? Can you really go out 462 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:24,160 Speaker 3: and do it? So I'd say the Jordan Peel moment 463 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:26,679 Speaker 3: really kind of showed me all right, I can do this, 464 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 3: Like wow, like this is like I can really like 465 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 3: somebody I idolize and you know has a similar kind 466 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 3: of trajectory and stories me get their attention, and then 467 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:36,440 Speaker 3: the Lebron thing was like, all right, now I'm gonna 468 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 3: go just all in on this. And this is during 469 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:41,160 Speaker 3: the tail end of the pandemic. We all still are 470 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:43,440 Speaker 3: kind of just reeling from that, figuring out what life 471 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:45,679 Speaker 3: is and trying to get back to it. But in 472 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 3: that pandemic moment, I really was like, I'm just gonna 473 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:49,359 Speaker 3: hit it with this. This is the one thing I 474 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 3: can do that nobody else can control. And now I'm 475 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 3: seeing a ton of success from it. And it's funny. 476 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 3: The same people who you know, I'm not gonna say 477 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:59,120 Speaker 3: I left Comedy Central on the best terms, but those 478 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:00,880 Speaker 3: same people now see me like, oh man, we always 479 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 3: believe that you know you can do it, And I'm like, 480 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:04,879 Speaker 3: you would have used me as a cautionary tale if 481 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 3: you could. You would have been like, see what happens 482 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:08,720 Speaker 3: when you act up? See what happens when you you know, 483 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 3: you talk back or you try to nah. This is 484 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:12,480 Speaker 3: so I just kind of laugh at all that now, 485 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:14,440 Speaker 3: but it's it's given me a sense of humility and 486 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 3: made me super humble and everything I do. So when 487 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 3: you asked earlier, like what do you like to be called? Like, 488 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:20,720 Speaker 3: just call me Josiah, Like I don't. I don't roll 489 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 3: in like I'm the king of social media. Like that's 490 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:25,159 Speaker 3: just you know, can you. I'm just saying, like I 491 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:26,880 Speaker 3: see so many people that do that. I think it's 492 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 3: like an insecurity they have and just not believing in 493 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 3: their achievements. I roll in T shirts short, it's like 494 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 3: in some chucks. That's that, you know, anywhere you see me, 495 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 3: That's what I'm gonna be rocking. 496 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 2: Now, what's your process for like sort of finding the 497 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 2: perfect meme? 498 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:41,120 Speaker 3: I have so much stuff just sitting in my head, 499 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 3: and just like I'll randomly quote. 500 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 1: Stuff as I'm like drafts like ooh. 501 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 3: So I'll normally like I'm so basic and I'm looking 502 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:50,120 Speaker 3: at like AI and all this stuff now and I'm 503 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 3: just like, I know I'm gonna be phased out soon 504 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 3: because I just can't get down like Gronck and all 505 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:56,119 Speaker 3: this other stuff. I just I see Chad GPT and 506 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 3: I'm just like, nah, I just have it in my brain. 507 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:00,359 Speaker 3: So when I see things happen, like I'll see in 508 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 3: like mean form and it's like it might be a 509 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,080 Speaker 3: moment in a game or whatever it is, I'm like, oh, 510 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 3: that reminds me of don't be a minute. So that 511 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:09,120 Speaker 3: reminds me of you know, I'm really heavy in my era, 512 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:13,240 Speaker 3: like John Singleton films, obviously the Wayne's family. I actually 513 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 3: went to junior high school with Damon Wayne's junior so 514 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:19,239 Speaker 3: living color a era, all that stuff like that's what 515 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 3: I grew up on. So all that stuff just like 516 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 3: festering on my brain, those memories, and for me, it's 517 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:26,120 Speaker 3: like just to stay connected to that material, stay connected 518 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 3: to that time in my life. But I tell people like, 519 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:30,400 Speaker 3: I didn't grow up in the SpongeBob era, So y'all 520 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 3: got all the SpongeBob stuff y'all got, That's not my lane, like, 521 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 3: and I'll never always gonna be true to myself. But 522 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:39,120 Speaker 3: everything that is from my era, like that nineties, early 523 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:42,200 Speaker 3: two thousands, all those experiences, I just see stuff and 524 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:43,640 Speaker 3: it's like, all this reminds me of this or that, 525 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 3: and I'll quickly just try to get it up. And 526 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:47,120 Speaker 3: you know, like you said, a lot of people now 527 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 3: have gravitated toward this space. A lot of them haven't 528 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 3: paid their dues or you know, paid their tithes. As 529 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:53,400 Speaker 3: I like to say, and they just try to kind 530 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:55,399 Speaker 3: of mirror and copy it, but there's always a secret 531 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 3: sauce to it. I think a lot of people just 532 00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:59,240 Speaker 3: don't grasp in terms of how to connect with people 533 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 3: and how to get it in that right moment, in 534 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:03,880 Speaker 3: the exact time and the caption, the wording and everything, 535 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 3: the exact clip, when to get in on the clip, 536 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:07,800 Speaker 3: when to get out on the clip. So much that 537 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 3: goes into it that I think people don't really appreciate 538 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,439 Speaker 3: that they think they can replicate, and it's just funny 539 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:14,360 Speaker 3: to see kind of I'm gonna call them copycats because 540 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 3: I appreciate you know, it's very flattering, but it's also 541 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 3: like nothing makes me matter when somebody tried to do 542 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 3: it and they do it wrong, and I'm like, you 543 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 3: could just like you're trying to copy the sauce and 544 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:26,160 Speaker 3: you just don't want it. Left it, leave it alone 545 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:28,160 Speaker 3: or ask me ask for missould be like hey, cause 546 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:31,000 Speaker 3: people know, like I'm always like I embrace everybody, like yo, 547 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:33,480 Speaker 3: should I do it like this? That whatever? And it's funny. 548 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 3: I got a lot of people that we know they'll 549 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:37,399 Speaker 3: see them do sof sometimes I'm like, just do it 550 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:38,639 Speaker 3: like that? You know, I'll just hit him in the 551 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:40,639 Speaker 3: DM like you almost had it, but just do it 552 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 3: like that. They go do it and it goes viral 553 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:43,680 Speaker 3: and it's like, oh man, you know, so I'm gonna 554 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:45,760 Speaker 3: say I'm ghost writing, but it just irks me when 555 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:46,879 Speaker 3: I see some shit and I'm like, yo, if you 556 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:48,959 Speaker 3: just did that, it would have been perfect. Like, so 557 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:49,959 Speaker 3: it is what it is. 558 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:53,639 Speaker 2: Well, we know, one of the conversations that we constantly have, 559 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:57,159 Speaker 2: especially around content creation, and you know you're a perfect 560 00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:01,159 Speaker 2: example of this, is that notice how these team Twitter 561 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:04,440 Speaker 2: accounts are the language that you use now and they're 562 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,359 Speaker 2: doing what you're doing right or trying to. 563 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 1: Some of them make very bad attempts. 564 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 2: For black creators, that has been a sore spot is that, 565 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:17,160 Speaker 2: you know, taking your genius, taking your excellence, and then 566 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:18,960 Speaker 2: trying to copy it and doing it worse. 567 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:21,639 Speaker 1: You know, like what's your perspective on that? 568 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 2: And the fact that, like we often see how the 569 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:26,680 Speaker 2: culture is like sort of robbed in this way. 570 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:30,399 Speaker 3: So I'm gonna take you back twenty twenty George Floyd 571 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 3: situation goes down and I'm working a lot in Hollywood 572 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:35,359 Speaker 3: at that time, and I had a lot of what 573 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 3: I call the George Floyd General Meetings, where at that point, 574 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:40,960 Speaker 3: people kind of finally realize like, damn, this is really 575 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,679 Speaker 3: fucked up, like we're not giving black creators, black culture 576 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 3: this opportunity and kind of did these performative meetings where 577 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 3: it's like we really want to hear your thoughts and 578 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 3: we believe in you and we want to you know, 579 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 3: and I realized, like, damn, I'm a lot of white 580 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 3: people's only black friend, like a lot of white people's industry, 581 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,960 Speaker 3: Like I'm really your only black friend. So I kind 582 00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:58,479 Speaker 3: of I want to say I've lost my mind at 583 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,399 Speaker 3: that point, but really just got disappointed, like grew my 584 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:02,920 Speaker 3: hair out, didn't shave for a long time. So I 585 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,119 Speaker 3: would take these meetings probably looking like my dad is 586 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 3: Raymond and white make can jump, just looking crazy because 587 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:09,239 Speaker 3: like I don't believe any of this shit. And then 588 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 3: there was a point too where you had all these 589 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 3: social teams and they would post pictures of their whole team. 590 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 2: Man, and I'm just looking like I hear everybody white. 591 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 3: And like I'll hear the way you guys talk, and 592 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:21,440 Speaker 3: then I see you in real life and you don't 593 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:24,119 Speaker 3: talk the way that you talk in real life, Like, 594 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,120 Speaker 3: if there's one thing about me, I'm gonna be consistent, 595 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,679 Speaker 3: Like the way I speak on social is the way 596 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,159 Speaker 3: I'm gonna speak when you see me. So it felt like, again, 597 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:33,240 Speaker 3: you were kind of just robbing and taking the culture. 598 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:35,360 Speaker 3: And that's like a sad thing. And even I don't 599 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 3: use TikTok, but you see the world where you know, 600 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:39,920 Speaker 3: there was a couple of years ago where a couple 601 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,840 Speaker 3: of black creators came up with dances and we're doing stuff. 602 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 3: Then you look at All Star Weekend, they got the 603 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:46,399 Speaker 3: white creators kind of doing it off beat and not 604 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:49,639 Speaker 3: hitting it like they need to. And then eventually they 605 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,480 Speaker 3: kind of obviously repaired that brought the black creatives black 606 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 3: dancers in to kind of come do it correctly. But 607 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 3: you just see how people and this isn't anything new, right, 608 00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:00,080 Speaker 3: they've they've eaten off this culture, benefited from it, and 609 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:03,000 Speaker 3: again not put anything back in the offering plate. And yes, 610 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 3: black culture is amazing, like and I'm not mad that 611 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:07,199 Speaker 3: people want to do that, Like who wouldn't want to 612 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:08,520 Speaker 3: see that and want to be like it? But it 613 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:10,720 Speaker 3: also comes to point too where you can't be tone 614 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 3: deaf with it, right, you've got to be respectful. You've 615 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,240 Speaker 3: got to give these people, especially with everything going now 616 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 3: in the world. And we talk about merit base, well, 617 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,160 Speaker 3: you know, that's a term I don't really get down 618 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,440 Speaker 3: with because we've seen what it is in real life. 619 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 3: We've seen if two candidates have the same exact resume, 620 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 3: if one's name is hard to pronounce, they're probably not 621 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:29,879 Speaker 3: going to get that gig. If one person looks like 622 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:32,920 Speaker 3: somebody else, they look like the person hiring they they're 623 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 3: more likely going to get that gig. So I think, 624 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:37,639 Speaker 3: you know, we talk about the need for diversity, but 625 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:39,919 Speaker 3: it's not diversity like we want handouts, Like we just 626 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,440 Speaker 3: want acknowledgement and recognition for the things that we're doing. 627 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 3: And I should see so many creators that I knew 628 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 3: and respected that will blatantly just get their content jacked 629 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,720 Speaker 3: by these big accounts. And we've seen it, entertainment accounts, 630 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:53,480 Speaker 3: gambling accounts, all these type of things that try and 631 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:55,959 Speaker 3: talk like the culture and then you look at their 632 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,000 Speaker 3: you know, social media director and this person and that person, 633 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:01,239 Speaker 3: and I'm like, you were a square. You are not 634 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,280 Speaker 3: like you don't speak like this. So and the fact 635 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 3: that you're doing this putting on digital black face, Like 636 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 3: that's something I really should just feel disrespected by, but 637 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 3: also like we just got to continue grinding, do what 638 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 3: we got to do to get to where we need 639 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:15,720 Speaker 3: to be and hopefully to get some more equity in 640 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 3: these spaces. 641 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 2: You know you're for rating and entertainment, I guess for 642 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,199 Speaker 2: people who know a little bit about your background, and 643 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,199 Speaker 2: it is really not that surprising I read this about you, 644 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:29,440 Speaker 2: the fact that you sort of grew up being exposed 645 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 2: to like the different world said, and really kind of 646 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:37,200 Speaker 2: early on getting exposed to entertainment. What did those early experiences, 647 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,879 Speaker 2: how did that shape how you felt your place in 648 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 2: the industry would be. 649 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,200 Speaker 3: So there's one major or moment or series of moments. 650 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:46,919 Speaker 3: So my dad played for the Clippers, his teammate Norm Nixon, 651 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:49,480 Speaker 3: Norm married to Debbie Allen, Debbie the show runner. A 652 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,280 Speaker 3: different world at that point, so very close family friends. 653 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 3: My mom used to be an extra on a Different World. 654 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 3: So she's in a like the Patti LaBelle Christmas episode, 655 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,800 Speaker 3: but so missus, I would always, you know, make my 656 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 3: mom featured in these things. And there's points she's like 657 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 3: pregnant with one of my little brothers, in these things, 658 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:07,960 Speaker 3: different stages of her life, but she's always popping up 659 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 3: in the background. So as kids, I went to the 660 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:13,960 Speaker 3: same elementary school as Norman Debbie's kids, so we would 661 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 3: get picked up and then we would get taken over 662 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,120 Speaker 3: to the studio, like on Thursday, Friday. I forget whatevery 663 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 3: day they taped. So I would spend a good portion 664 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:22,680 Speaker 3: of my life just watching this show. And I think 665 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,359 Speaker 3: not really appreciating at that point in my younger life 666 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 3: because at that point, you had the Cops Show, you 667 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,199 Speaker 3: had a different world. You had all these shows that 668 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,240 Speaker 3: were dominating network television, and me just thinking that was normal, right, 669 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 3: not realizing now that that was not saying anomaly, but 670 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 3: that was it. 671 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:39,520 Speaker 2: Maybe not for La, you know, I lit most of 672 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 2: us growing up to watch a different world. 673 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,960 Speaker 1: We couldn't imagine a life, but we would actually be on. 674 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 3: Set watching the HBCU and I'm just like, oh, this 675 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:47,640 Speaker 3: is normal, And then you get older you kind of 676 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 3: realize what it is. But to see the way that 677 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:52,480 Speaker 3: Debbie Allen, you know, she would be the voice of God. 678 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 3: She'd be in the control room, but you'd have the 679 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 3: studio audience there and she's just voice of godding onto 680 00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:58,600 Speaker 3: the set town everybody where they need to be, in 681 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 3: places in boot Boom and just doing all that stuff 682 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:03,080 Speaker 3: and just seeing her in the regular life, you know, 683 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:06,240 Speaker 3: and they kind of realizing how incredible and amazing entertainer 684 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,600 Speaker 3: and all her achievements, but getting to spend time on 685 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 3: those sets, and also learning too that a lot of 686 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,040 Speaker 3: people just watch these shows and I don't think they 687 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 3: realized the time, energy effort that goes into actually making 688 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,560 Speaker 3: these things, the hours that you spend doing it. So 689 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,840 Speaker 3: I remember, you know, vividly the wedding episode where obviously 690 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 3: Welly's supposed to marry you know, Senator, if I'm not mistaken, 691 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 3: and obviously Dwayne Wayne comes in and so I've seen that. 692 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 1: You saw, you saw them actually do it? 693 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,880 Speaker 3: Oh wow, eight weeks, you know, three months for the 694 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 3: episode came out, just because they would let me. Because 695 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,040 Speaker 3: I was with her, I kind of got a little 696 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:42,960 Speaker 3: bit more cart blanche to kind of just roll around. 697 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 3: I would get bush at and cussed out by you know, 698 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 3: people in the crew at times, like what you're doing 699 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 3: over here or whatever. But you know, so I'd pick 700 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,600 Speaker 3: up scripts, read and kind of you know, watch along 701 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:53,520 Speaker 3: with all the with all the stuff that was going on. 702 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:55,760 Speaker 3: But I would know eight twelve weeks in advance what 703 00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:57,560 Speaker 3: was going on on these shows, just because my mom 704 00:29:57,640 --> 00:29:59,720 Speaker 3: was an extra. And if you watch that episode my 705 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:03,040 Speaker 3: dad as a part of like the grooms Men, like 706 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:06,200 Speaker 3: my mom's extra in there, like oh that's right, so 707 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 3: you see him roll off like it's like so my 708 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 3: dad kind of chunky at that point, got the beer. 709 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:12,840 Speaker 3: But so we were all just like immersing that world. 710 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 3: And like I said, white Man Can't Jump. And Dad 711 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,800 Speaker 3: did a bunch of cameos on La Law on Simbad Show. 712 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:19,760 Speaker 3: So I used to go there and hang out on 713 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:21,920 Speaker 3: set with like a young Ray J who was on 714 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,480 Speaker 3: Simbad Show and just watch all these things get made 715 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 3: and created. So I always had an affinity for that world, 716 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 3: and then obviously as I got older in life, got 717 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,920 Speaker 3: to actually do it, but really appreciate what went into 718 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,880 Speaker 3: making that kind of just understanding that that really kind 719 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:38,040 Speaker 3: of guided the culture. And now that I take a 720 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,239 Speaker 3: step back and look at it, it's like wow, Like 721 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:42,240 Speaker 3: you know, I got to really hang out with Debbie Allen, 722 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 3: just know her as a regular see her in her 723 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:47,160 Speaker 3: regular life at birthday parties and school events and things, 724 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 3: and then see her as a showrunner of one of 725 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 3: the greatest television shows I feel like in history. 726 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 1: So it holds up incredibly well. 727 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 2: I still watch it whenever I can, at least multiple 728 00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:57,960 Speaker 2: times a week, and it's amazing to me. 729 00:30:58,120 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 1: Just again, I will the best age. 730 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:02,720 Speaker 2: You are so versatile in so many things that you 731 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:05,040 Speaker 2: do a lot more I definitely want to get to 732 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,520 Speaker 2: you with and also some NBA stuff I want to 733 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:08,200 Speaker 2: ask you about. 734 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 1: But you know, we're going to talk about gils Arena 735 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:13,960 Speaker 1: as well, because y'all be on there fooling. But we're 736 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 1: going to take a quick break. 737 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 2: We'll be back with more with the Josiah Johnson who 738 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,720 Speaker 2: never call him the king when you see him ouern 739 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:21,800 Speaker 2: public back in the moment. 740 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:35,200 Speaker 1: So, as I mentioned before the break, you're very versatile. 741 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:38,880 Speaker 2: And one of the roles I really enjoy you in 742 00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:43,120 Speaker 2: is you happen to play Ernie Johnson on GILA. 743 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:43,760 Speaker 1: Now. 744 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:47,320 Speaker 2: Gils Arena is a podcast that you have Gilbert Arenas. 745 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 2: It's what Brandon Jennings, Kenyan, Martin, Lexi brown Shiro swoops 746 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:58,000 Speaker 2: for Shot mccant's personalities like big, big bold personalities and 747 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:00,960 Speaker 2: you guys are hilarious. Y'all also crazy, but you guys 748 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:02,800 Speaker 2: are very hilarious. But just tell me a little bit 749 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:04,240 Speaker 2: about how Gil's arena came together. 750 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,240 Speaker 3: Also how to get swaggy pe some little yeah, but 751 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:09,920 Speaker 3: you know, I'm sorry. I make sure. Look I love 752 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:13,200 Speaker 3: that crew, and so me and Gil our working relationships. 753 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,680 Speaker 3: I've known Gil. We are actually the same age. He's 754 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:18,320 Speaker 3: born in January, I'm born in April. But he was 755 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:20,800 Speaker 3: a year older in high school. So that's one thing 756 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,320 Speaker 3: about Gil. I don't think people realize that. You talk 757 00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,800 Speaker 3: about this whole back culture nowadays where kids stay back. 758 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:28,400 Speaker 3: Now you got eighteen, nineteen twenty year old seniors in 759 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:30,240 Speaker 3: high school. I want to say Gil was like seventeen 760 00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 3: years old as a graduating senior in high school. Was 761 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,640 Speaker 3: seventeen when he went to u of A. And one 762 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:36,440 Speaker 3: thing about Gil, he was kind of like an under 763 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,080 Speaker 3: the radar. Like my dad always tells his story, He's 764 00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:41,000 Speaker 3: heard the name Gilbert Arenas, didn't see the face, so 765 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,440 Speaker 3: he thought he was a Mexican basketball player. And he 766 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:45,440 Speaker 3: was like I would always see these newspaper articles. I'm like, 767 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:47,680 Speaker 3: who's this Mexican dude that this out here putting up 768 00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,880 Speaker 3: forty to fifty. It's like Gilbert and then he finally 769 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,719 Speaker 3: kind of saw in college and realized who he was. 770 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,400 Speaker 3: So we had always I went to high school in 771 00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:57,920 Speaker 3: the valley. Gil went to high school in the valley. 772 00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,720 Speaker 3: So I transferred from Crenshaw my junior year. Gill was 773 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:02,640 Speaker 3: I think in his senior year at Grant. But the 774 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:04,800 Speaker 3: thing back in those days was the Daily News. They 775 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:07,240 Speaker 3: had a great high school sports section. LA Times had 776 00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:09,600 Speaker 3: a great high school sports section. But you knew if 777 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:11,920 Speaker 3: you played the same night that Gill played, they would 778 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:13,560 Speaker 3: do the top scores, like I'm not gonna be the 779 00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:14,920 Speaker 3: top scorer, and I ain no matter what I'd do. 780 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:16,760 Speaker 3: I could drop forty, he's gonna drop fifty. I could 781 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:18,640 Speaker 3: drop fifty, he's gonna drop sixty. He this is what 782 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:20,920 Speaker 3: it is. So he built up a name and reputation 783 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:25,720 Speaker 3: for himself. So we ended up just coincidentally. I moved 784 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,520 Speaker 3: literally like two blocks away from him. So around like 785 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,400 Speaker 3: about twenty sixteen, right around when legend the Chamberlain Heights 786 00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:34,440 Speaker 3: was taken over, me and my wife moved to Widland Hills, 787 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,120 Speaker 3: So I would you know, during the pandemic, I would 788 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,320 Speaker 3: go jog around the neighborhood. That was like my only release. 789 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:41,640 Speaker 3: I'd gotten really kind of down and depressed at that point. 790 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:43,520 Speaker 3: Legend that got canceled. This was when I was first 791 00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,120 Speaker 3: kind of doing social media. But I ballooned up to 792 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:49,520 Speaker 3: close to like four hundred pounds. Pandemic happens. My wife, 793 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:51,640 Speaker 3: my family kind of politely or like, look, you need 794 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:53,560 Speaker 3: to get your fat ass in shape, like this thing 795 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,320 Speaker 3: is shacking people's live now. My brother's gonna be really 796 00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:58,160 Speaker 3: like yeah you like, you know, Joe, you're fat dog, 797 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,120 Speaker 3: Like get it together. So I'm close to like four 798 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,920 Speaker 3: hundred pounds, So I would just start go jogging around 799 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:04,800 Speaker 3: the neighborhood. And at that point, you know, it was 800 00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:06,880 Speaker 3: felt like, you know, third world country out here. You 801 00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,040 Speaker 3: go to routes and be thirty people online and they 802 00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:11,319 Speaker 3: let into at a time and you no toilet paper. 803 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:12,880 Speaker 3: I'm just thinking of my head, like what y'all need 804 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:14,799 Speaker 3: all this toilet paper for? Like y'all were never doing 805 00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:17,520 Speaker 3: this before, Like why paper towers and toilet paper became 806 00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:19,560 Speaker 3: the thing that everybody like thought that. 807 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:21,040 Speaker 1: They needed for the roy me. 808 00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:23,319 Speaker 2: It was just like, Wow, we're really here now where 809 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:25,040 Speaker 2: we're on food like when they were only allowing you 810 00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:28,360 Speaker 2: to get like one pack of meat per household. 811 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,560 Speaker 1: You're just like, dog, what it's crazy. 812 00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:32,600 Speaker 3: But you would roll in there and you see paper 813 00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:34,440 Speaker 3: towers and toilet paper, be like, oh my god, love. 814 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:36,439 Speaker 3: But then you understand why they hoarded it. My back 815 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:38,960 Speaker 3: end of Mike, you understood why they hoarded it. But 816 00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:41,360 Speaker 3: so around that point, I would go run around the neighbors. 817 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:42,880 Speaker 3: So I would see Guil all the time, and we 818 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:44,279 Speaker 3: were kind of just say what up to each other. 819 00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:46,360 Speaker 3: I'll be mid jogg, but he'd come through in his 820 00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:49,399 Speaker 3: made back mini van, and you know, we constantly would 821 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:51,480 Speaker 3: bump into each other. So fast forward. It ended up 822 00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:53,479 Speaker 3: he was looking for a new host for a show 823 00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:57,319 Speaker 3: No Chill. My agent connected us. Uh, you know, we 824 00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,200 Speaker 3: just kind of hit it off right away. So we 825 00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,359 Speaker 3: started doing. Bill saw a ton of success for that. 826 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:03,160 Speaker 3: But for him, he was always I mean, I want 827 00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:04,879 Speaker 3: to do more. And and the thing I say about 828 00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:08,080 Speaker 3: Gil what makes him so successful is Gil doesn't approach 829 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:11,160 Speaker 3: this like traditional media traditional talent. Traditional talent can be 830 00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,040 Speaker 3: a pain in the ass. They don't want to work, 831 00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:14,440 Speaker 3: they don't want to do they just want to do 832 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:16,480 Speaker 3: the bare minimum. Hey, my show is on from one 833 00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:18,959 Speaker 3: to two. I'll be here at twelve, like I'm leaving 834 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,120 Speaker 3: at two oh five, where Gil is more like a 835 00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:24,040 Speaker 3: CAI sented like streamer, like I'm on like we do 836 00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:25,400 Speaker 3: our show. We do a two and a half to 837 00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,560 Speaker 3: two hour, forty five minute show no commercials, which I 838 00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:30,360 Speaker 3: tell people by comparison because I grew up work in 839 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,239 Speaker 3: sports entertainment, sports television. That's like a four hour TV 840 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:35,719 Speaker 3: show with the commercial breaks and all that stuff. Bill think, 841 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:38,600 Speaker 3: So we don't stop like we started about eleven thirty, 842 00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:40,520 Speaker 3: eleven forty, you know, we'd be on CP time like 843 00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:42,799 Speaker 3: it is kind of what it is cha. The chat 844 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,080 Speaker 3: always gets mad, y'all not ready, like, look, this is Gil. 845 00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,120 Speaker 3: And the crazy thing is we film this in Gill's house, 846 00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:50,400 Speaker 3: in his basement, and he's usually the last one to 847 00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,239 Speaker 3: come down, but it's like when he does, he's on. 848 00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:56,040 Speaker 3: But he'll come down after doing a three hour livestream 849 00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,359 Speaker 3: on his own personal channel or doing you know, two 850 00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,279 Speaker 3: to three hour workout with his kids, like his son 851 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,160 Speaker 3: Elijah McDonald's all American who just committed to SC His 852 00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:06,120 Speaker 3: older daughter issela who you know, standout high school player 853 00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:07,799 Speaker 3: Thisever at Louisville, and he's got a couple of young 854 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:09,799 Speaker 3: ones too that are gonna be doing the same thing 855 00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:11,640 Speaker 3: following that trajectory. So he kind of handles all his 856 00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:14,360 Speaker 3: responsibilities but locks in to do the show. So we 857 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:18,200 Speaker 3: started that show February twenty twenty three, didn't really know 858 00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,040 Speaker 3: what it was gonna be. We're kind of just figuring 859 00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,160 Speaker 3: it out. But the thing I love about Gil is 860 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,480 Speaker 3: Gil himself is a guy who couldn't really get on 861 00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:27,560 Speaker 3: the mainstream media. I kind of compare him all the 862 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,640 Speaker 3: time to Pat McAfee, who's a friend of mine, somebody 863 00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,320 Speaker 3: I'll look up to. But I'm like passive punter. If 864 00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:35,520 Speaker 3: he goes to ESPN, he goes to these networks before 865 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:37,800 Speaker 3: he has any success. It's like, bro, you're a punter. 866 00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:40,279 Speaker 3: Like same with Gil. Gil had a tremendous amount of 867 00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:44,279 Speaker 3: success in his NBA career, but not you know, he's controversial. 868 00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,160 Speaker 3: Obviously had situations going on in his life when he 869 00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:48,600 Speaker 3: was with the Wizards, so he kind of had this 870 00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:50,600 Speaker 3: stigma around him where he wasn't ever going to get 871 00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:52,560 Speaker 3: those opportunities, so he had to go create and take 872 00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,040 Speaker 3: those opportunities. Similar to what Pat did. So we started 873 00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,560 Speaker 3: the show and right away he's like, I don't want 874 00:36:57,880 --> 00:36:59,920 Speaker 3: you know, traditional people on the show. I want, you know, 875 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:02,440 Speaker 3: Rashan mckantz, who we had had on an episode of 876 00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:05,000 Speaker 3: No Chill. He was great on that episode. I think 877 00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,160 Speaker 3: they ended up Gil. So Gil has a gym in 878 00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:09,920 Speaker 3: his house, but he goes and works out at La Fitness. 879 00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:11,799 Speaker 3: So him and shot You's always see each other at 880 00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:13,640 Speaker 3: La Fitness and they would just you know, be shooting 881 00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,160 Speaker 3: the shit and talking. He's like, I want Rashad Brandon Jennings, 882 00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:17,920 Speaker 3: who lives right down the street from us, Like, I 883 00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:19,600 Speaker 3: want to get a BJ on the show. I want 884 00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:21,600 Speaker 3: to get you know, Swaggy, who they have their relationship, 885 00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:25,680 Speaker 3: their dynamic which is like, you know, it's Swaggy was 886 00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,440 Speaker 3: Gil's Ricky when they were together, and they still operate 887 00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:31,319 Speaker 3: like that. But just to see those two dudes when 888 00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:32,640 Speaker 3: they get together. And I don't think a lot of 889 00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:34,560 Speaker 3: people realize for as crazy as you think, the show 890 00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:37,359 Speaker 3: is like the group chat like those dudes that they 891 00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,799 Speaker 3: don't they don't turn anything on. That's what it is like. 892 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:41,799 Speaker 3: If anything, the camera start rolling, but they've already been 893 00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:43,480 Speaker 3: in the middle of arguments and shit that will just 894 00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:46,319 Speaker 3: bring to the show, bringing on Lexi Brown, who's done 895 00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:50,160 Speaker 3: an amazing job still playing obviously WNBA, Cheryl Swoops, who 896 00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:55,080 Speaker 3: arguably the goat, bringing her perspective, just a unique crew 897 00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:58,800 Speaker 3: of minds. Everybody has so much to offer from their experiences. 898 00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:00,880 Speaker 3: You talk about a guy like Brandon who who you know, 899 00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:03,520 Speaker 3: was a trendsetter going from high school to Italy, not 900 00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,479 Speaker 3: going to the traditional college route. Rashad won a national 901 00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:10,040 Speaker 3: championship in North Carolina, Dayton Kardashians, all that type of 902 00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,960 Speaker 3: thing and the reputation he has. Versut when you actually 903 00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:14,719 Speaker 3: just sit down and meet and just understand how smart 904 00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,719 Speaker 3: and creative and you know, kind of the narrative about 905 00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:19,120 Speaker 3: him before you meet him, then you just send and 906 00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:20,640 Speaker 3: talk with him and like, Yo, this dude is really 907 00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,000 Speaker 3: just like high level intelligence. He's basically be called the 908 00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:26,799 Speaker 3: joker that Gill's batman. So he loves nothing more than 909 00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:28,839 Speaker 3: and sometime I don't even think he believes the shit. 910 00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:30,640 Speaker 3: But if Gil says go left, he gonna say, nah, 911 00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,160 Speaker 3: go right, and they're just gonna butteas and go at it. 912 00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:35,120 Speaker 3: And I kind of always make the joke. You know, 913 00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:36,840 Speaker 3: we have a good show. If one of them is 914 00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,560 Speaker 3: sweating and now both of them are sweating because they're 915 00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,040 Speaker 3: just going at each other. That's that's a recipe for 916 00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,920 Speaker 3: great television. But we've been able, and when we started 917 00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:46,319 Speaker 3: this thing, we had a vision of where we wanted 918 00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:48,040 Speaker 3: to be, where we wanted to go, And I really 919 00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,560 Speaker 3: salute Underdog who came in and was like, look, we're 920 00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:52,879 Speaker 3: gonna let y'all rock out. Shout out. Tim Livson, who's 921 00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,480 Speaker 3: a VP of content over there, Jeremy Levine, one of 922 00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:58,239 Speaker 3: the founders, like you guys be you like and you know, 923 00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,960 Speaker 3: working in this game, it's like we want Jamail, but 924 00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:02,520 Speaker 3: then it's like, oh, we don't want that Jamail though, 925 00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:03,360 Speaker 3: like you can't. 926 00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, But it's it's levels to how much they want 927 00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:06,560 Speaker 1: of you. 928 00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:09,560 Speaker 3: Can you say like this? I like, yeah, Buth And 929 00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:12,560 Speaker 3: for us, like we don't have any restrictions, any limitations 930 00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,200 Speaker 3: to an extent. Obviously, we have told that line and 931 00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:17,880 Speaker 3: pushed it. And for me, in my regular life, I'm 932 00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,520 Speaker 3: a jokester kind of you know, don't really take anything serious. 933 00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:22,680 Speaker 3: I've had to adapt more to the Ernie Johnson kind 934 00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,520 Speaker 3: of straight in here because I tell people like if 935 00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:27,960 Speaker 3: I go out there and be my normal self. This 936 00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:29,960 Speaker 3: shit is gonna be way too turned up and crazy 937 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,359 Speaker 3: and we will not get anything accomplished. So I got 938 00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:33,960 Speaker 3: to kind of be I don't even say the adult, 939 00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,080 Speaker 3: but like the point guard in the room. Make sure 940 00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,440 Speaker 3: everybody's getting involved, make sure everybody's getting their points and 941 00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:41,040 Speaker 3: their takes and across. And I think for us, you know, 942 00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:42,600 Speaker 3: when we started this thing, we wanted to be the 943 00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,160 Speaker 3: cure for the common show that was kind of the 944 00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:48,560 Speaker 3: moniker rallying cry. And I think we've accomplished that now here. 945 00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:50,359 Speaker 3: We are almost two years into it. We're in our 946 00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:53,600 Speaker 3: third season right now. A whole cash has got extensions recently. 947 00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:55,960 Speaker 3: And I think for as much as people see Gill's 948 00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:59,120 Speaker 3: front facing public face, I mean Gil's super loyal dude. 949 00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,160 Speaker 3: Like if Gil with you, he's gonna ride with you 950 00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:04,440 Speaker 3: till the wheels fall off. Of supports his crew, supports 951 00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:07,920 Speaker 3: all the talent on the show, supports me, like it's funny. 952 00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,520 Speaker 3: So Gil. Gil has a phone that doesn't take incoming calls, 953 00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:13,480 Speaker 3: so he calls you. You don't pick up, You can't 954 00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:16,319 Speaker 3: call Gil back. I have to. He'll call me sometimes 955 00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:18,640 Speaker 3: if I miss it. I got a text him, I'm 956 00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:20,520 Speaker 3: by the phone now, Gill like you hit me, but 957 00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:21,799 Speaker 3: he'll call me. 958 00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:25,600 Speaker 2: Uh, how does one get a phone that doesn't take 959 00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:26,520 Speaker 2: incoming calls? 960 00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:28,160 Speaker 1: And I want to find this phone? 961 00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:30,960 Speaker 3: Well, as he explains it, at the height of his career, 962 00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:32,239 Speaker 3: when he was making a lot of money, a lot 963 00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:33,680 Speaker 3: of people were hitting him up for money and to 964 00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:35,000 Speaker 3: bother him and all those types of things. 965 00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,479 Speaker 2: So he was like saying, why, Yeah, but I wonder 966 00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:38,840 Speaker 2: how do you get the phone? 967 00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:40,920 Speaker 3: You know, you get to a certain status. I'm not 968 00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,200 Speaker 3: quite there yet. You know, you get one hundred MS. 969 00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:45,160 Speaker 1: You can note it. If you ever run into Gilbert 970 00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,480 Speaker 1: or Reada's make sure that you ask him how did you. 971 00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:49,279 Speaker 3: Get the So you try to call Gil like you 972 00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:51,399 Speaker 3: was wasting your time, like you know what I'm saying, 973 00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:54,719 Speaker 3: like that's family included, whoever. But he hits me up 974 00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,640 Speaker 3: and we just go over ideas content And like I said, 975 00:40:57,640 --> 00:40:59,680 Speaker 3: he's just kind of a mad scientist genius in terms 976 00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,400 Speaker 3: of how he put this whole crew together. And I 977 00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,080 Speaker 3: think all of us are like super appreciative of just hey, 978 00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:08,279 Speaker 3: the opportunity, but be I see how hard Gil works. 979 00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:11,960 Speaker 3: So I'm literally you know this schedule is basically. So 980 00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:13,920 Speaker 3: I'm producing the shows along with our show runner, Steve 981 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:17,439 Speaker 3: Martinez and Baron Damn, our other producer. But we're going 982 00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:19,719 Speaker 3: till two am. And on the days I got to 983 00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:22,160 Speaker 3: produce a show, I got to so we do the 984 00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:24,520 Speaker 3: show eleven thirty to two thirty. I go do I 985 00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:26,680 Speaker 3: coach high school basketball, I coach my kids, so I'll 986 00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:29,120 Speaker 3: do all that stuff. Knock out my family obligations, come back, 987 00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,640 Speaker 3: watch the games up till two am. Building the show 988 00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:33,799 Speaker 3: because Gill wakes up at four thirty in the morning, 989 00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:35,840 Speaker 3: so I have to have the show lined up for 990 00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,240 Speaker 3: him when he wakes up to go back review everything, 991 00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:39,759 Speaker 3: make its good. He'll calm if you don't like some 992 00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:42,040 Speaker 3: take it out, or he got a great idea, let's 993 00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:43,800 Speaker 3: do this, or you know, I'm gonna say it like 994 00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:45,560 Speaker 3: this that we'll just kind of constantly go back and 995 00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:48,680 Speaker 3: forth and then just following that same formula recipe. And 996 00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:51,000 Speaker 3: this is seven days a week. We're all Monday through Thursday. 997 00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:54,080 Speaker 3: But it don't stop cuz we're either talking. We got 998 00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:55,800 Speaker 3: a group chat with everybody on the show in it 999 00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:57,920 Speaker 3: that's you know, a little too hot for TV, but 1000 00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:00,480 Speaker 3: that's where the best stuff goes now as it could 1001 00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:02,280 Speaker 3: be any point in today. It could be something somebody 1002 00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:04,320 Speaker 3: said three weeks ago, and it's like, remember when you 1003 00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:06,960 Speaker 3: said this, and then just I'll open the phone. Sometimes 1004 00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,080 Speaker 3: it be like one hundred text messages back and forth. Dude, 1005 00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:11,239 Speaker 3: just going at each other and getting it. But I 1006 00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:13,840 Speaker 3: think that's that's the secret to making the show so successful, 1007 00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:16,359 Speaker 3: because these people aren't changing, They're not switching up. When 1008 00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:18,360 Speaker 3: the camera turns on. Whatever's on their mind at that 1009 00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:21,560 Speaker 3: particular moment, they're gonna say controversial. I know we got 1010 00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:23,560 Speaker 3: a lot of players that are mad at us, and 1011 00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:25,000 Speaker 3: you know a lot of people that are critical of 1012 00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:26,800 Speaker 3: what we do. But I think they also got to 1013 00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:28,600 Speaker 3: recognize at the end of the day, these are former players. 1014 00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:30,759 Speaker 3: These are guys who experienced it. And I go back 1015 00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:34,239 Speaker 3: to a moment for us Zion a summer of twenty 1016 00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:36,440 Speaker 3: twenty three kind of I want to say, put our 1017 00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:38,880 Speaker 3: show on the map. But like we were taping episodes 1018 00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:41,920 Speaker 3: the Summer League in Vegas. Gil who you know, but 1019 00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,920 Speaker 3: Gil always I think, very complimentary guys, but has experienced that. 1020 00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:46,560 Speaker 3: So Gil will tell you about life on the road, 1021 00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:48,479 Speaker 3: tell you going to the four seasons, eating two double 1022 00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:51,600 Speaker 3: cheese burgers and three milkshakes, and what his pregame routine 1023 00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:54,560 Speaker 3: and ritual was. So he was very sympathetic to Zion. 1024 00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:56,960 Speaker 3: So we were having a convo about Zion at the 1025 00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,120 Speaker 3: Blue Wires studio at the wind there's a big glass 1026 00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:01,759 Speaker 3: partitioning so you can see everybody coming in and out. 1027 00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:05,279 Speaker 3: Ten seconds later, Zion walks up. We had no clue, 1028 00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:08,440 Speaker 3: looks at us. Oh there they go right there, fucking 1029 00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:10,920 Speaker 3: rolls in and he had had some situations going on 1030 00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,080 Speaker 3: at that time. I'm sure people obviously you can google 1031 00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:15,319 Speaker 3: what was going on around twenty twenty three for Zion 1032 00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:18,399 Speaker 3: in that summer. But comes on the show for twenty minutes. 1033 00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:20,359 Speaker 3: He's got a handler with him trying to get him 1034 00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:22,359 Speaker 3: to leave. And you know, like you try to book 1035 00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:25,320 Speaker 3: a guests, you try to get talent that comes with strings. 1036 00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:26,880 Speaker 3: You can't ask him about this, you can't do that, 1037 00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:30,279 Speaker 3: you can't say this like and this was like Zion, like, nah, 1038 00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:32,000 Speaker 3: I want to talk to these dudes. He came up 1039 00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:34,000 Speaker 3: right behind guild like, hands on shoulders, kind of put 1040 00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:36,000 Speaker 3: him in the vice grip. But you know, you know, 1041 00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:38,279 Speaker 3: a very polite professional way ended up sitting us for 1042 00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:40,080 Speaker 3: twenty minutes, and that was kind of one of the 1043 00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:43,359 Speaker 3: first moments that showed us that athletes watched this thing, 1044 00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:45,439 Speaker 3: like you know what I mean, I'm rolling around the wind. 1045 00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:47,279 Speaker 3: I don't think people know who I am. I'm seeing 1046 00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:48,839 Speaker 3: all these guys who I look up to, all these 1047 00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:50,960 Speaker 3: NBA players. They're like, man, what's up? We love the show? 1048 00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:53,799 Speaker 3: Like whatever. So it let us know that we were 1049 00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:55,760 Speaker 3: doing something special. And like I said, we've been blessed 1050 00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:57,400 Speaker 3: to all get extensions. We're gonna be doing this thing 1051 00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,840 Speaker 3: for the coming years, but really putting that show on 1052 00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,360 Speaker 3: the map. And we look at kind of traditional shows, 1053 00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:06,759 Speaker 3: not even necessarily as our competition, but they can't do 1054 00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:09,759 Speaker 3: what we do. You know, I watched Sports Center back 1055 00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:11,120 Speaker 3: in six. 1056 00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:14,120 Speaker 1: But you got a a block an ESPN show definitely 1057 00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:14,879 Speaker 1: not you got. 1058 00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:16,800 Speaker 3: To a block. You gotta B block, you gotta c block. 1059 00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:17,840 Speaker 1: It's a structure. 1060 00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:19,800 Speaker 3: We got ten minutes for this block. We will go 1061 00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,440 Speaker 3: forty five to fifty minutes hour. We will go on 1062 00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:24,680 Speaker 3: a topic and I'll try and keep it moving, and 1063 00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:26,520 Speaker 3: the chests always coming to me like oh man, you 1064 00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:29,319 Speaker 3: got to moderate better whatever, and it's like you need 1065 00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:31,719 Speaker 3: to understand the personalities that I'm dealing with because I 1066 00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:33,440 Speaker 3: will try to move on, and I know that they're 1067 00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:35,399 Speaker 3: not going to move on. If Gill got a point 1068 00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:36,719 Speaker 3: he want to make, if Seo I got a point 1069 00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:38,600 Speaker 3: he want to make, Kenyon or Brandon or Lexi or 1070 00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:41,920 Speaker 3: Share whoever, we're not moving on like I'm gonna try. Hey, 1071 00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:43,719 Speaker 3: let's talk about this topic. Now. Wait, what was that 1072 00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:45,759 Speaker 3: you said about whatever? And now we're going twenty more 1073 00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,080 Speaker 3: minutes on it, So we're not We don't have we 1074 00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:50,360 Speaker 3: have a structure like we format it like a traditional 1075 00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:52,759 Speaker 3: kind of sports network style. That's what I grew up 1076 00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:54,480 Speaker 3: and that's what I was born in when I started 1077 00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:57,520 Speaker 3: my career. But also knowing we have the luxury and 1078 00:44:57,600 --> 00:44:59,880 Speaker 3: ability that an ESPN show or a Fox show ca 1079 00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:02,759 Speaker 3: because we don't have a ten minute you know, we 1080 00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:04,719 Speaker 3: don't have to get to a commercial break. We can 1081 00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:06,920 Speaker 3: go hour on this thing if we want. And for me, 1082 00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:08,799 Speaker 3: that's the best convo. When we show up and it's 1083 00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:10,719 Speaker 3: something that wasn't even in the script or in that 1084 00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:13,160 Speaker 3: the game plan, production plan for the day, but they're 1085 00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:15,440 Speaker 3: passionate about it and they go thirty forty five minutes 1086 00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:16,840 Speaker 3: and now you look up and it's like, damn, we 1087 00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:19,440 Speaker 3: had three more seconds we were supposed to get to. 1088 00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:21,720 Speaker 3: But it's time to go because obviously, you know, somebody 1089 00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:23,719 Speaker 3: go pick up their kids, or I got to go 1090 00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:25,320 Speaker 3: to practice, or Gill got to go to one of 1091 00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:27,719 Speaker 3: his kids games or whatever it may be. But we 1092 00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:30,400 Speaker 3: don't have any rules or regulations and no constraints on it. 1093 00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:32,120 Speaker 3: So I'll really just give a shot out the underdog 1094 00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:34,839 Speaker 3: for allowing that in Gil. Like, I see how hard 1095 00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:36,560 Speaker 3: Gill works. So you know, I'm up till two am 1096 00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:38,960 Speaker 3: every day, but I know he's up. He's lurking, like 1097 00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:40,840 Speaker 3: he's in the Google doc. You know, I see his 1098 00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:43,120 Speaker 3: icon light up, or he's calling me or texting me. 1099 00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:45,319 Speaker 3: I go jog before the show, He'll call me. I'm 1100 00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:47,440 Speaker 3: on the jog with him, just having the convo with 1101 00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:50,000 Speaker 3: the hefo's in. He were going over everything. So just 1102 00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:52,520 Speaker 3: the amount of dedication, preparation and work that he puts in, 1103 00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:54,520 Speaker 3: and I think we all feed off that, from the 1104 00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:55,960 Speaker 3: talent to the crew, and I think that's why the 1105 00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:57,120 Speaker 3: show has been so successful. 1106 00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:58,160 Speaker 1: You know, and watching this. 1107 00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:00,839 Speaker 2: Show, even though every five minutes, I'm like such as 1108 00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:01,560 Speaker 2: such as crazy. 1109 00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,080 Speaker 1: What I love about is is the authenticity. 1110 00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:06,520 Speaker 2: As you mentioned before, you know, you've had players that 1111 00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,200 Speaker 2: gave you positive feedback, and because y'all keep. 1112 00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:11,800 Speaker 1: It so real, I imagine you've gotten the opposite because 1113 00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:14,680 Speaker 1: y'all do keep it really real. 1114 00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:18,560 Speaker 2: So how what are some of the I guess memorable 1115 00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:23,120 Speaker 2: maybe encounters or feedback negative feedback that you've gotten from players? 1116 00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:25,640 Speaker 3: There is again, like you said, we keep it very real. 1117 00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:27,840 Speaker 3: There are certain cities now that I feel like we 1118 00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:30,600 Speaker 3: are not allowed to pull up to, not me like 1119 00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:32,640 Speaker 3: you're probably good, like Detroit City. 1120 00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:36,160 Speaker 1: I know as a native Detroiter, I was like, why 1121 00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:37,960 Speaker 1: always coming? 1122 00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:40,800 Speaker 3: And the thing you got to understand about Gil is 1123 00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:44,320 Speaker 3: Gil is relentless, right, so if somebody comes to him, like, 1124 00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:46,120 Speaker 3: he's not going to back off, like you've seen it 1125 00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:48,800 Speaker 3: kind of some of the personal beefs that he may have, 1126 00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:51,319 Speaker 3: like he's never gonna end it, Like he like that's 1127 00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:53,160 Speaker 3: just not in his round, right, Yeah, that's just not 1128 00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:54,880 Speaker 3: in his makeup. And like you know, I got a 1129 00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:57,080 Speaker 3: ton of respect for Kwame, and there will be times 1130 00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:58,560 Speaker 3: on the show I know he's trying to get there 1131 00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:00,640 Speaker 3: and it's like but it don't matter or what I say, 1132 00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:02,160 Speaker 3: Like I'm trying to avoid it, and it's like all right, 1133 00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:04,600 Speaker 3: go ahead. He'll say, yeah, I had this da or whatever, 1134 00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:06,040 Speaker 3: like y'all, I know where you're going with this right now, 1135 00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:07,320 Speaker 3: and it's like I don't want no beef with that. 1136 00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:09,040 Speaker 3: Like I gotta live here too. I tell them all 1137 00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:11,239 Speaker 3: the time. I got to walk around these places too, 1138 00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:13,080 Speaker 3: and I ain't trying to you know. I love y'all. 1139 00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:16,360 Speaker 3: Like we had a situation he talked about. So he 1140 00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:18,920 Speaker 3: had said something to when Isaiah Stewart that came out 1141 00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:24,000 Speaker 3: after lebron Gil posts this message on Instagram and basically 1142 00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:26,080 Speaker 3: just saying like you can't do that, like you gotta 1143 00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:28,040 Speaker 3: like you know what I mean, this is this is 1144 00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:31,120 Speaker 3: the Golden Boy of the league. You gotta pretend, pretend fight, 1145 00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:32,840 Speaker 3: you can do all that stuff, but like, don't go 1146 00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:35,360 Speaker 3: at him. So we were at to coma at Isaiah 1147 00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:40,160 Speaker 3: Thomas's charity event, the Zeken Who's there, Beef Stu Beef 1148 00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:43,680 Speaker 3: still see Gil, and you know you see Beef still 1149 00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:45,839 Speaker 3: in real life. You're just like shit, And it's kind 1150 00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:47,240 Speaker 3: of like, all right, it's gonna be a Busines decision 1151 00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:49,120 Speaker 3: right here. Because it was like me and Rashad a 1152 00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:51,520 Speaker 3: couple of us standing there and it's like, you know 1153 00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:54,120 Speaker 3: and believe me, like I have hands, I know how 1154 00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:55,640 Speaker 3: to fight a little bit, but I'm gonna get my 1155 00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:58,160 Speaker 3: ass whipped. And you know, I'm also a realistic I. 1156 00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:00,360 Speaker 1: Mean, you got reached og like you're you're not a 1157 00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:00,919 Speaker 1: small person. 1158 00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:03,520 Speaker 3: But seeing him and it's like it's like fuck all right, 1159 00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:06,160 Speaker 3: But they kind of talk it out and guilt. But 1160 00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:08,920 Speaker 3: after that, like Gil, don't let it stop. He goes 1161 00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:10,960 Speaker 3: and makes videos talking about he goes and whatever. Like 1162 00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:14,279 Speaker 3: Gil such a creative and content Maven that anything he 1163 00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:17,200 Speaker 3: sees an opportunity to address or talk about, he's gonna 1164 00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:19,560 Speaker 3: keep it real on anything. But yes, we have had 1165 00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:21,600 Speaker 3: to answer your question long win it. I know I 1166 00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:25,120 Speaker 3: speak a lot, but have had several players who let 1167 00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:27,840 Speaker 3: it be known. We have had several players who let 1168 00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:30,640 Speaker 3: it be known, either via social media or in real life, 1169 00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:33,000 Speaker 3: that they're not necessarily fucking with the views that are 1170 00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:36,279 Speaker 3: expressed on the show. You know, I walk around and 1171 00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:38,200 Speaker 3: it's funny because I got to walk around now, like 1172 00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:40,239 Speaker 3: if I'm at Summer League or All Star weekend or 1173 00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:42,600 Speaker 3: these type of things, see a guy and be like, damn, 1174 00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:45,279 Speaker 3: did somebody come at him. No, Okay, we're good. What up? 1175 00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:46,359 Speaker 3: How you doing right? 1176 00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:48,800 Speaker 1: Like, did we say something that it's never me? 1177 00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:51,520 Speaker 3: But yeah, guys like guys will you'll see them kind 1178 00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:54,840 Speaker 3: of lurking in the comments of videos. Obviously. Brandon Jennings 1179 00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:58,360 Speaker 3: assessed the things about Jason Tatum recently that getting a 1180 00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:01,600 Speaker 3: response and Tatum's trainer and Tatum coming at him directly 1181 00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:04,960 Speaker 3: and indirectly, and it's like, yeah, but that's not everybody 1182 00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:09,000 Speaker 3: on the couch. But ultimately, somebody's gotta beef with you nobody. Yeah, 1183 00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:10,040 Speaker 3: somebody's rocking with him. 1184 00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:11,520 Speaker 2: This person is in a weird way though. Do you 1185 00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:13,759 Speaker 2: take it as a compliment, Yeah, for sure, Yeah, that 1186 00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:16,160 Speaker 2: they see it, but that they see it a care 1187 00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:17,960 Speaker 2: about what you said enough to respond. 1188 00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:20,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think for us, we're really starting to 1189 00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:22,800 Speaker 3: see when we first started people kind of just s 1190 00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:24,439 Speaker 3: thumb their nose at us. We don't give a shit 1191 00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:26,799 Speaker 3: about this show. It's not gonna be nothing to now 1192 00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:29,600 Speaker 3: where we're on ESPN, we're on these clips. Like Guil 1193 00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:33,320 Speaker 3: recently had his son Elijah, announced his college commitment to 1194 00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:36,239 Speaker 3: USC much to my disappointment. You know, I was working 1195 00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:37,920 Speaker 3: the pill trying to get him over you see, like 1196 00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,799 Speaker 3: a non acessarty mail love Elijah, super happy for him. 1197 00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:43,759 Speaker 3: But watching Sports Center and it's like that's like the 1198 00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:46,480 Speaker 3: G block or the end of the show they show 1199 00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:48,000 Speaker 3: they got to show a clip from our things. So 1200 00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:50,160 Speaker 3: we've started to really see the power that we possess 1201 00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:53,320 Speaker 3: in being kind of this new media. And now initially 1202 00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:55,360 Speaker 3: when we first started, like we don't have to acknowledge 1203 00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:57,319 Speaker 3: you guys, And now now you got to come over here, right, 1204 00:49:57,400 --> 00:49:59,400 Speaker 3: and now you got to look at us and respect 1205 00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:01,000 Speaker 3: the work we're doing and the numbers were doing and 1206 00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:03,960 Speaker 3: the impact we have on the culture. Like like for me, 1207 00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:06,319 Speaker 3: like I'm a low key dude. I stay out the way, 1208 00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:08,480 Speaker 3: like I coach little league, I coach youth sports, I 1209 00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:10,600 Speaker 3: coach high school. If you want to see me, come 1210 00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:13,080 Speaker 3: to the local target, you know, right around like two 1211 00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:15,080 Speaker 3: thirty three thirty, Like you'll see me just doing my 1212 00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:17,040 Speaker 3: shopping or whatever's going on. But I'm not really on 1213 00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:19,000 Speaker 3: the scene or in the streets, are doing any of 1214 00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:21,560 Speaker 3: that type of stuff. But just started to notice over 1215 00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:24,520 Speaker 3: the past year eighteen months, I would just like I'm 1216 00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:27,160 Speaker 3: at the airport one day, flying to Laxes late at night, 1217 00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:30,200 Speaker 3: I'm rolling to get my car out of the parking structure. 1218 00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:32,160 Speaker 3: I see a police officer. He got a headphone in 1219 00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:34,759 Speaker 3: me mugging straight faces, looking straight like I'm not gonna 1220 00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:36,600 Speaker 3: bother this, dude. I'm just gonna keep going by my way. 1221 00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:38,040 Speaker 3: He turned to look at me. He's like, y'a, I'm 1222 00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:41,359 Speaker 3: listening to the show right now. Like I'm like like wow, 1223 00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:43,560 Speaker 3: like you really just you know. I'm rolling through Philly 1224 00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:46,000 Speaker 3: Airport past like a gnos or a pass when they 1225 00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:47,759 Speaker 3: got the one with the airport chiefs stay by. All 1226 00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:50,040 Speaker 3: the chefs see me come through. They chopping up. Chefs 1227 00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:51,680 Speaker 3: say like, yo, what's up? Man? We rolled with Kim 1228 00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:54,360 Speaker 3: Till gives up being so crazy. I was in Sacramento 1229 00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:57,720 Speaker 3: for a high school tournament and he's been very obviously 1230 00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:01,840 Speaker 3: same way as Detroit Veru. We'll say disrespectful if you 1231 00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:05,120 Speaker 3: will the city. But rolling through Sacramento getting rolled up 1232 00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:07,520 Speaker 3: on people like yo, tell Gill stop disrespecting the city. Man. 1233 00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:10,319 Speaker 3: Like so just to see that even like high school kids. 1234 00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:12,439 Speaker 3: I coach some high schoolers and they'd be like, yo, coach, 1235 00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:13,880 Speaker 3: we see you on TikTok all the time. Like I 1236 00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:17,279 Speaker 3: don't even got TikTok. What do y'all see on there? All? 1237 00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:19,400 Speaker 3: We see clips from the show and this and that whatever, 1238 00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:21,640 Speaker 3: and it's like, why Gill do this that? So just 1239 00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:24,160 Speaker 3: to see the impact that it's had on basketball culture. 1240 00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:26,680 Speaker 3: But with that comes a lot of responsibility, right and 1241 00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:28,560 Speaker 3: how we move And I think we're all kind of 1242 00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:30,960 Speaker 3: figuring this out as we go and learning and growing 1243 00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:32,640 Speaker 3: from it. But if there's one thing that you know 1244 00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:36,080 Speaker 3: with Gil, his literal nickname, his moniker is no chill chick, 1245 00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:38,480 Speaker 3: and he lives that up to the fullest extent. So 1246 00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:40,600 Speaker 3: I don't know whatever definition of no chill you had 1247 00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:43,440 Speaker 3: in your brain, but he's gonna take it to another 1248 00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:45,200 Speaker 3: level and truly have no chill. 1249 00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:47,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, he embodies that well. 1250 00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:50,200 Speaker 2: Before I let you go, I want to get you know, 1251 00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:53,719 Speaker 2: just talk a little bit of an NBA. I know 1252 00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:56,319 Speaker 2: he has been discussing Jimmy Butler in the Miami Heat. 1253 00:51:58,000 --> 00:51:59,799 Speaker 2: Who side are you on in that one? 1254 00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:03,880 Speaker 3: It flip flops? Yeah? I think for me, you know, 1255 00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:07,400 Speaker 3: watching this whole thing play out, Jimmy's comments in the 1256 00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:09,319 Speaker 3: summer about you know, if he was healthy, they could 1257 00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:12,160 Speaker 3: have beat the Celtics or Nicks, And for me, always 1258 00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:16,120 Speaker 3: being pro athlete, pro player, pro player empowerment. You know, 1259 00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:18,279 Speaker 3: pat Riley told him to keep his mouth shut. There's 1260 00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:20,520 Speaker 3: just words you hear, you know, like we have to 1261 00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:22,360 Speaker 3: operate in corporate spaces and we have to move a 1262 00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:26,520 Speaker 3: certain way, but we will snap it. Like there's phrasingg 1263 00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:32,040 Speaker 3: show what two finals with these rosters. I'm just saying, 1264 00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:33,560 Speaker 3: like all this shit I've done here, like you're not 1265 00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:36,440 Speaker 3: gonna reward me for that? And to pat Riley, the godfather, 1266 00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:38,040 Speaker 3: that he'd have never been that type of franchise. So 1267 00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:39,640 Speaker 3: it's like, if d Wade ain't getting that, you think 1268 00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:41,759 Speaker 3: you're gonna get it, like let's just keep it a buck. 1269 00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:45,880 Speaker 3: But seeing that, but also you know, Jimmy at times 1270 00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:48,239 Speaker 3: has a Tennessee control, has a tendency to go a 1271 00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:50,200 Speaker 3: little bit too far, and I think this has happened 1272 00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:52,600 Speaker 3: now at several different stops that he's been in throughout 1273 00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:55,200 Speaker 3: his career. So you have to see both sides, but 1274 00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:57,480 Speaker 3: also have to recognize that this is a dude who 1275 00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:00,480 Speaker 3: took these rosters to two NBA finals, right, won in 1276 00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:04,040 Speaker 3: the bubble, won recently against the Nuggets. And if he's 1277 00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:06,399 Speaker 3: asking you, hey, hey, build this roster up. I want 1278 00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:07,960 Speaker 3: to be competitive. You've got a guy who wants to win, 1279 00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:09,560 Speaker 3: and you're not getting that done. You know, you strike 1280 00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:11,400 Speaker 3: out on Dame, you strike out on Drew Holliday, some 1281 00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:13,919 Speaker 3: of the other names have been out there. There comes 1282 00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:15,560 Speaker 3: a point where this is the league that's based on 1283 00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:17,960 Speaker 3: player empowerment. In the way that my contract is structured. 1284 00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:19,480 Speaker 3: Right now, I have a player option at the end 1285 00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:21,840 Speaker 3: of this season, so I can force your hand because 1286 00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:24,200 Speaker 3: I can either opt in and y'all want to bench 1287 00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:27,719 Speaker 3: me and suspend me in definitely or whatever. Cool, like 1288 00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:30,480 Speaker 3: I'm gonna opt in. Figure it out, like I'm gonna 1289 00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:32,000 Speaker 3: win this when I got fifty two mil coming. So 1290 00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:33,239 Speaker 3: at the end of the day, like if I got 1291 00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:35,480 Speaker 3: fifty two mil coming, and this is a bullshit you're 1292 00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:38,000 Speaker 3: trying to pull, like I can do that. But there's 1293 00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:40,040 Speaker 3: times too where it's like I want it from the 1294 00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:42,400 Speaker 3: team side, like growing up. And this is the thing 1295 00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:44,480 Speaker 3: I don't think a lot of people grasp. When you're 1296 00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:46,560 Speaker 3: playing team sports as a kid, use sports as a kid. 1297 00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:49,879 Speaker 3: There's not money involved. It's not business, right, Like you're 1298 00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:52,160 Speaker 3: all playing for love of the game to attain a 1299 00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:55,000 Speaker 3: certain goal. Now, when business gets involved. It's a lot different, 1300 00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:57,560 Speaker 3: especially talking about millions and millions of dollars dues in 1301 00:53:57,640 --> 00:53:59,960 Speaker 3: the twilight of their career. That's maybe the last contract 1302 00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:02,320 Speaker 3: that they're able to get, and they don't feel like 1303 00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:03,759 Speaker 3: they're getting the love from the franchise. And this is 1304 00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:06,640 Speaker 3: a discussion that I've had with Gill as well, because 1305 00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:09,359 Speaker 3: it impacts legacy, it impacts how you talk about these dude. 1306 00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:11,239 Speaker 3: You talk about the goat debates and things like that, 1307 00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:13,560 Speaker 3: and Gil is always more lean towards the side of 1308 00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:16,200 Speaker 3: individual accolades because it's like, you might be a great 1309 00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:19,239 Speaker 3: individual player that's hamstrung from being on a bad team 1310 00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:21,680 Speaker 3: that's beyond your control. You may have a franchise that's 1311 00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:24,960 Speaker 3: in tank mode or whatever it is, but the average 1312 00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:26,000 Speaker 3: fan don't care about that. 1313 00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:28,560 Speaker 1: You get the plan, yeah, because it's your face. 1314 00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:31,640 Speaker 2: Because pat Riley, they just see the cameras showing him 1315 00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:33,279 Speaker 2: in the stands like he didn't hold it. He doesn't 1316 00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:35,359 Speaker 2: have to be accountable to the media after every game, 1317 00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:38,280 Speaker 2: but the star player does. And so it's much easier 1318 00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:41,200 Speaker 2: to point the dagger at the guy who you know 1319 00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:43,760 Speaker 2: has to answer some level of questions before the public. 1320 00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:46,160 Speaker 3: And you talk about like low management. You look at 1321 00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:49,080 Speaker 3: somebody like Kawhi. People that know know Kawhi works his 1322 00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:51,160 Speaker 3: ass off. Kawhi don't want to be injured, like he 1323 00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:53,120 Speaker 3: wants to be out there playing. And a lot of 1324 00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:54,719 Speaker 3: times it ain't Kawi saying I don't want to play 1325 00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:56,319 Speaker 3: back to backs, I don't want to play tonight. It's 1326 00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:58,759 Speaker 3: the team trying to protect their investment. But the team 1327 00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:00,560 Speaker 3: is happy to let him eat all shit for it. 1328 00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:02,600 Speaker 3: The team ain't gonna be like now we're the ones 1329 00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:04,680 Speaker 3: making them do it, like they want just the average 1330 00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:06,600 Speaker 3: consumer to be like, oh, he's lazy, or he he 1331 00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:09,040 Speaker 3: don't love the game or whatever. So there's so much 1332 00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:11,200 Speaker 3: now working with all these people and kind of getting 1333 00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:13,080 Speaker 3: their perspective with these guys do to be able to 1334 00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:15,320 Speaker 3: go out there and perform at the highest level. And 1335 00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:17,680 Speaker 3: for the longest time, it was kind of like, you know, 1336 00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:19,399 Speaker 3: you guys should just be happy to be here type 1337 00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:22,360 Speaker 3: of situation instead of well, if we're not here, this 1338 00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:24,200 Speaker 3: product's not good and you're not gonna watch the shit. 1339 00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:26,839 Speaker 3: So for me, looking at Jimmy, I kind of toil 1340 00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:29,000 Speaker 3: on both sides because I think about that team component, 1341 00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:31,719 Speaker 3: like you got guys that ultimately are dealing with this 1342 00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:33,200 Speaker 3: that have nothing to do with it. I think about 1343 00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:34,000 Speaker 3: a guy like Kevin. 1344 00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:37,080 Speaker 1: Love and their livelihoods are caught up into what you're doing. 1345 00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:38,960 Speaker 1: So there there's other part of it. 1346 00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:41,120 Speaker 2: I mean, I think both of them at various points 1347 00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:44,080 Speaker 2: have looked very unbecoming for both of them, right, And 1348 00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:47,400 Speaker 2: it's like, at the end of the day, you're getting 1349 00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:50,120 Speaker 2: paid fifty billion dollars, I'm not I do understand why 1350 00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:52,239 Speaker 2: you would be like, why should I give it my 1351 00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:55,879 Speaker 2: all when already this is what you're giving me to work? 1352 00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:59,560 Speaker 2: So they're both both of them are right, It's just 1353 00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:02,879 Speaker 2: the way that has played out I think has made 1354 00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:05,359 Speaker 2: them both look bad at different points. 1355 00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:07,560 Speaker 1: I don't think Jimmy's gonna be there that much longer anybody. 1356 00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:09,920 Speaker 3: Else, So get and the other problem that happens now 1357 00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:12,239 Speaker 3: his teams, you like, oh you want we want to 1358 00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:14,240 Speaker 3: this deal or that deal, And there's so much bullshit 1359 00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:16,319 Speaker 3: and bs that goes on from different sizes. They use 1360 00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:18,840 Speaker 3: their various media channels to paint the other side in 1361 00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:20,440 Speaker 3: the bad light. It's like, at the end of the day, 1362 00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:22,839 Speaker 3: he like, either you're not. This is something we talked 1363 00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:25,040 Speaker 3: about on the show. Was like, you have to send 1364 00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:27,560 Speaker 3: him home, Like so this bullshit about let him come 1365 00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:30,560 Speaker 3: player or whatever, why, Like you already know what it's 1366 00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:32,120 Speaker 3: gonna be and what time he's gonna be on, and 1367 00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:34,440 Speaker 3: you already know what time you're on. So get a 1368 00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:36,520 Speaker 3: deal done. Send him home. But then we're gonna make 1369 00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:39,040 Speaker 3: him play, and he's going, Okay, we've seen this before, 1370 00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:41,279 Speaker 3: So get the trade down. You have to take a 1371 00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:43,319 Speaker 3: little bit less than what you wanted, but ultimately now 1372 00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:45,600 Speaker 3: you'll be able to move on as a franchise and 1373 00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:47,160 Speaker 3: he'll be able to move on as a player and 1374 00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:48,719 Speaker 3: go somewhere he actually wants to be, and you can 1375 00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:50,160 Speaker 3: bring players in the actually want to be there. 1376 00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:53,839 Speaker 2: What did you make of NBA Commissioner Adam Silver talking 1377 00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:57,040 Speaker 2: about how much he favors ten minute quarters. 1378 00:56:57,320 --> 00:56:57,800 Speaker 3: He never. 1379 00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:03,400 Speaker 2: I thought it was a little like, huh if he 1380 00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:05,360 Speaker 2: had said less games, I'd be like, yes, but I 1381 00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:06,160 Speaker 2: know that won't happen. 1382 00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:09,040 Speaker 3: But in any rate, the NBA declining viewership, all those 1383 00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:10,920 Speaker 3: too many games or too much of this, too much 1384 00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:13,280 Speaker 3: of that, we're still watching. They just signed a historic 1385 00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:16,640 Speaker 3: media rights deal, So for all that talk, the bread 1386 00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:19,000 Speaker 3: is still coming in. So whatever you're talking about like 1387 00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:21,439 Speaker 3: people complain about it, people watch our show. 1388 00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:23,120 Speaker 2: I mean, do you do you buy into that though 1389 00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:27,200 Speaker 2: that there is some there's a legitimate ratings problems, Like 1390 00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:29,120 Speaker 2: I know the ratings have rebounded from where they were 1391 00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:31,400 Speaker 2: earlier in the season, but like, do you buy that, 1392 00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:34,280 Speaker 2: like there is some part of this NBA product that 1393 00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:36,000 Speaker 2: is now distasteful for fans. 1394 00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:38,240 Speaker 3: I think people need to adjust to the times. Right 1395 00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:41,360 Speaker 3: when I was growing up, we had TV. That was 1396 00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:44,000 Speaker 3: the only way that we could watch games. I have 1397 00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:47,520 Speaker 3: little brothers who can watch something on their TV, can 1398 00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:49,680 Speaker 3: watch something on their phone, and some on their computer, 1399 00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:51,880 Speaker 3: all three in unison and know everything that's going on 1400 00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:53,640 Speaker 3: on all three things. And I'm just sitting here looking 1401 00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:55,880 Speaker 3: like how do you how do you know what's going 1402 00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:58,520 Speaker 3: on there? And there and boom. So people consume media. 1403 00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:00,760 Speaker 3: Different consumption happens a k. Like I said, all my 1404 00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:03,360 Speaker 3: kids I coached in high school, they talk TikTok. I'm 1405 00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:05,400 Speaker 3: not on TikTok, but they see all the shit from 1406 00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:07,400 Speaker 3: the show on TikTok. I don't know how they see it. 1407 00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:09,600 Speaker 3: I don't know what clips they're watching or whatever. So 1408 00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:11,800 Speaker 3: we have to just kind of shifting again, like I said, 1409 00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:14,760 Speaker 3: if you're signing that deal now, it would be scary 1410 00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:16,760 Speaker 3: is if like, oh, the deal went down, the numbers 1411 00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:19,120 Speaker 3: went down, the bread went down, you got players earning 1412 00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:22,960 Speaker 3: more money than ever before. I do at the highest level, 1413 00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:25,200 Speaker 3: I respect those guys for getting their bag, but then 1414 00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:27,040 Speaker 3: you look at guys at the lowest level, like hopefully 1415 00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:28,760 Speaker 3: their break can come up to it. It has been 1416 00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:31,160 Speaker 3: a huge seismic shift from the guys at the top 1417 00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:33,320 Speaker 3: taking all the bread and kind of the rest of 1418 00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:34,960 Speaker 3: the league kind of left the swander. But at the 1419 00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:37,200 Speaker 3: end of the day, those are the guys who make decision. 1420 00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:38,920 Speaker 3: We see it in the country as it is right now, 1421 00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:42,360 Speaker 3: you got the most bread, We're doing everything, We're falling 1422 00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:44,280 Speaker 3: in line with what you want. And that's just what 1423 00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:46,800 Speaker 3: it is, like, you know, like we're basically being controlled 1424 00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:49,760 Speaker 3: by oligarchs and billionaires. Now billionaire says, hey, we don't 1425 00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:52,080 Speaker 3: need we don't need all these FAA people, we don't 1426 00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:53,840 Speaker 3: need all this, and that that's just what it is. 1427 00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:56,800 Speaker 3: Some fucks up. Oh it was diversity's fault. Huh, everybody 1428 00:58:56,920 --> 00:58:58,880 Speaker 3: was white what But it could. 1429 00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:01,600 Speaker 2: Have been listening to Gil because you talked about how 1430 00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:03,560 Speaker 2: other shows use the clip. The clip I used that 1431 00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:05,440 Speaker 2: I did a whole thing about the state of American 1432 00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:07,960 Speaker 2: basketball on this show is him saying they need to 1433 00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:09,360 Speaker 2: kick the foreigners out the game. 1434 00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:12,040 Speaker 3: But he was just saying that in guilt, like just 1435 00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:14,040 Speaker 3: like he tried to get a rise out of the table. 1436 00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:16,280 Speaker 1: I understood the point he was trying to make. 1437 00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:20,200 Speaker 2: But to that point is that like it has become 1438 00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:22,920 Speaker 2: a more European style of game, Like there's just no, 1439 00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:25,280 Speaker 2: there's no question about it, that it has become that. 1440 00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:28,800 Speaker 2: I don't know we can we can't kick all the 1441 00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:31,720 Speaker 2: warders out of the game, obviously, but there is a 1442 00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:35,040 Speaker 2: larger commentary about what the state of American basketball actually is. 1443 00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:37,600 Speaker 3: And they talked that shit. And I got to live 1444 00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:40,160 Speaker 3: in Italy as a kid and see how those programs work. 1445 00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:42,480 Speaker 3: I think we can do a lot at the grassroots level, yes, 1446 00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:43,360 Speaker 3: to improve these things. 1447 00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:44,920 Speaker 1: Their youth coach, so you see. 1448 00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:47,360 Speaker 3: I'm doing it. Yeah, like we're getting blieve me coach 1449 00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:50,320 Speaker 3: is my nickname. We're gonna get you right, like we're 1450 00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:52,560 Speaker 3: gonna approach it. But yeah, you seeing what those guys 1451 00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:54,440 Speaker 3: come up with. But it is a global game, you know. 1452 00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:57,840 Speaker 3: You talk about back to the viewership, thing real quick. China, 1453 00:59:57,880 --> 01:00:00,000 Speaker 3: there what four or five hundred million people are watching 1454 01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:02,920 Speaker 3: in the NBA. So the NBA has you know, we 1455 01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:05,280 Speaker 3: talk about who's gonna be the next face or whatever. Yeah, 1456 01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:08,600 Speaker 3: there's an American demographic because this is the home nation 1457 01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:10,560 Speaker 3: of the sport, if you will. But this is a 1458 01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:12,920 Speaker 3: global game. So the end of the day, and I 1459 01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:15,320 Speaker 3: always make this point to people, like if you're making 1460 01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:17,680 Speaker 3: a billion dollars in China and zero dollars in America, 1461 01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:19,880 Speaker 3: that's still a billion dollars. Like I'm not tripping. Yeah, 1462 01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:21,480 Speaker 3: I mean, I wish I was making more bread out here, 1463 01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:23,920 Speaker 3: but I'll take that billion over here and still, you know, 1464 01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:26,000 Speaker 3: live the life that I want to live. So ultimately, 1465 01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:28,440 Speaker 3: you want everybody to be watching. But it's not like 1466 01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:31,560 Speaker 3: this isn't the second or third biggest sport on the planet. Right. 1467 01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:33,400 Speaker 3: You don't have hundreds of millions of people playing this 1468 01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:36,040 Speaker 3: sport because you're not doing a good enough job promoting it. 1469 01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:38,320 Speaker 3: But those are things that I think the league is 1470 01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:39,720 Speaker 3: going to need to address. It back to the Adam 1471 01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:42,320 Speaker 3: Silver thing, like you cut it from twelve minutes to 1472 01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:45,160 Speaker 3: ten minutes, Now, what happens to those you know, the tenth, eleven, 1473 01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:48,040 Speaker 3: twelfth guy on that roster because the superstar is still 1474 01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:49,800 Speaker 3: playing the same amount of minutes. Like, we ain't coming 1475 01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:51,720 Speaker 3: off of any of these minutes, and you're looking at 1476 01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:53,400 Speaker 3: the Olympics and all that and all I want a 1477 01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:54,240 Speaker 3: two hour window. 1478 01:00:54,760 --> 01:00:56,880 Speaker 1: It's like, but I don't think pace of the game 1479 01:00:56,960 --> 01:00:57,960 Speaker 1: is what people have a problem with. 1480 01:00:58,080 --> 01:01:01,080 Speaker 2: Like Baseball, it was a pace shoot for a long time, 1481 01:01:01,120 --> 01:01:02,800 Speaker 2: and they've done a bunch of different teams. 1482 01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:04,680 Speaker 3: Hey, the pitch clock. I go to Dodgors game. 1483 01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:08,040 Speaker 2: Now, that's what I'm saying they had that problem. Pace 1484 01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:09,840 Speaker 2: is not the issue in the NBA. I think it's 1485 01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:13,080 Speaker 2: just the three point. The amount of three point shooting 1486 01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:16,720 Speaker 2: is wearing on people. But again I think that ebbs. 1487 01:01:16,520 --> 01:01:19,760 Speaker 3: And flows, like you know, too many brocast jumpers taking three, 1488 01:01:21,120 --> 01:01:25,000 Speaker 3: Like everybody don't get to shoot threes level. 1489 01:01:25,160 --> 01:01:27,880 Speaker 2: This is all y'all like, And you know, as somebody 1490 01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:31,800 Speaker 2: who much liked you grew up watching basketball a certain way. Man, 1491 01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:34,000 Speaker 2: it's still it drives me crazy when it's a three 1492 01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:35,800 Speaker 2: on one, you right at the hoop and you kick 1493 01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:38,080 Speaker 2: it out, like it just drives me fucking crazy. 1494 01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:40,040 Speaker 3: And a lot of people will blame Steph for that. 1495 01:01:40,520 --> 01:01:41,880 Speaker 3: And this is what I would say, Yes, you have 1496 01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:43,560 Speaker 3: to blame step but you have to blame the people 1497 01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:45,560 Speaker 3: that are trying to follow in steps footsteps, because I've 1498 01:01:45,560 --> 01:01:47,880 Speaker 3: seen Steph work out. Yeah, I've seen the amount of 1499 01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:50,040 Speaker 3: work he puts in. We were in Baltimore, we got 1500 01:01:50,080 --> 01:01:51,800 Speaker 3: the interview him. He was doing an under armoured thing 1501 01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:53,480 Speaker 3: and this was the workout he was doing for the 1502 01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:55,880 Speaker 3: general public. Thirty forty five minutes, got about three hundred 1503 01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:58,520 Speaker 3: shots up, but just not stopping intense and then he 1504 01:01:58,560 --> 01:01:59,920 Speaker 3: went and did a two hour workout after that. 1505 01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:02,520 Speaker 1: Like, but you don't put that work in right, and 1506 01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:04,360 Speaker 1: you want to chuck the same amount because I. 1507 01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:06,320 Speaker 3: See it at the lower levels now and it's like 1508 01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:08,560 Speaker 3: you are not Steph, right, I know you've seen it. 1509 01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:10,240 Speaker 3: Just like I'm not mjury. I can wear the knee 1510 01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:12,360 Speaker 3: braces and i can wear the armband. I'm not junky 1511 01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:14,320 Speaker 3: from the free throw line. So get your ass in 1512 01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:16,680 Speaker 3: the post and go hit them with these jump hugs 1513 01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:19,320 Speaker 3: real quick. But so that's ultimate because they blame Steph 1514 01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:22,080 Speaker 3: and like you blame Steph because that's the pinnacle, that's 1515 01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:24,240 Speaker 3: what everybody wants to get to. But the reality is 1516 01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:26,240 Speaker 3: you don't put the work in. So you're not putting 1517 01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:29,000 Speaker 3: the work in, like Steph, go get your ass inside 1518 01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:30,720 Speaker 3: this three point line and get an easier bucket. 1519 01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:32,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, God. 1520 01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:34,680 Speaker 2: Bless RP to the mid range game. Unfortunately, these guys 1521 01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:37,560 Speaker 2: only know either dunk or shoot a three shot. 1522 01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:40,720 Speaker 3: He keeping it keeping none of. 1523 01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:41,800 Speaker 1: These threes, giving me hope. 1524 01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:46,160 Speaker 2: All right, Well, final question is a question, or I 1525 01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:49,480 Speaker 2: should say, the final question is usually what I call 1526 01:02:49,520 --> 01:02:52,800 Speaker 2: the messy question question. We're gonna get in some trouble, Josiah. 1527 01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:54,200 Speaker 3: Here we go. Well, all right, when I get your 1528 01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:54,959 Speaker 3: trouble every day. 1529 01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:57,000 Speaker 2: So now I feel like this this will not even 1530 01:02:57,240 --> 01:03:00,160 Speaker 2: remotely come close to get in on daily on a 1531 01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:03,600 Speaker 2: daily basis when you do Gills Arena. My messy question 1532 01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:07,840 Speaker 2: is this, of all of your wonderful you know co 1533 01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:11,959 Speaker 2: stars on your show on Gills Arena, who consistently makes 1534 01:03:12,040 --> 01:03:13,240 Speaker 2: the least amount of sense. 1535 01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:21,480 Speaker 3: That's a tough one. I'm gonna say Swaggy, but I 1536 01:03:21,560 --> 01:03:23,880 Speaker 3: know a lot of people will say Rashad mckam's aka 1537 01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:27,160 Speaker 3: Cemetery Larry, But Rashot if you really listen to what 1538 01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:32,240 Speaker 3: he's saying, it's like, okay, like swaggy like he will 1539 01:03:32,280 --> 01:03:34,560 Speaker 3: tweet some shit and it's like, we'll have to talk 1540 01:03:34,560 --> 01:03:36,000 Speaker 3: about this on the show, and I don't know how 1541 01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:38,160 Speaker 3: you defend this, but he just like stream of thought 1542 01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:41,160 Speaker 3: tweeting and he'll go out there. But it's funny, like 1543 01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:43,880 Speaker 3: for me, I know all their personalities and that dynamics 1544 01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:46,040 Speaker 3: so well, so all that shit makes sense to me. 1545 01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:47,880 Speaker 3: And you know, me and Gil talk about this a 1546 01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:50,240 Speaker 3: lot at a high level. You need that, right, That's 1547 01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:52,360 Speaker 3: what makes a show good. You can't have everybody on 1548 01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:54,320 Speaker 3: the show agreeing with each other saying the same thing. 1549 01:03:54,600 --> 01:03:56,480 Speaker 3: People pretend like they want that they're not gonna watch 1550 01:03:56,640 --> 01:03:59,360 Speaker 3: like you need again the joker that gives bad man, 1551 01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:01,440 Speaker 3: Oh you need a I mean, it just is what 1552 01:04:01,560 --> 01:04:04,520 Speaker 3: it is. And we're closer than our WWE because I 1553 01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:08,160 Speaker 3: will watch in real time, two people will be beefing, 1554 01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:10,360 Speaker 3: somebody will join in and tag team the one person, 1555 01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:13,160 Speaker 3: but then switch up midway and then they'll start tag 1556 01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:15,240 Speaker 3: team and the other person and somebody else will jump in. 1557 01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:17,800 Speaker 3: It come it's like royal rumbles. So it's crazy to 1558 01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:19,960 Speaker 3: watch it at real time because it can it all 1559 01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:21,720 Speaker 3: takes as a sentence or a word or a thought 1560 01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:24,080 Speaker 3: or whatever. Just wait a minute, like and then they 1561 01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:26,200 Speaker 3: just go at each other. But you know you're trying 1562 01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:27,680 Speaker 3: to give me in trouble that that is a very 1563 01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:30,560 Speaker 3: messy question. I did a very political job of steering 1564 01:04:30,600 --> 01:04:33,880 Speaker 3: away from it. Didn't answer. I've been watching a lot 1565 01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:36,440 Speaker 3: of CNN lately, so I know how to word salad 1566 01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:37,480 Speaker 3: is now my specialty. 1567 01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:40,640 Speaker 1: Well, you did a good job. And before I forget, 1568 01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:42,880 Speaker 1: want to mention Memes of Nightmares right. 1569 01:04:43,160 --> 01:04:45,600 Speaker 3: What you wrong? I just want to tell the people. 1570 01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:48,000 Speaker 3: So Memes and Nightmares coming out on Hulu is a 1571 01:04:48,040 --> 01:04:51,280 Speaker 3: project I did with spring Hill and Escaping Starry. Shout 1572 01:04:51,320 --> 01:04:54,440 Speaker 3: out to Pepsi Coo, preveyor of Delicious Beverages. But you 1573 01:04:54,520 --> 01:04:55,400 Speaker 3: actually made a cameo. 1574 01:04:56,600 --> 01:04:57,760 Speaker 1: You better sell that product. 1575 01:04:57,760 --> 01:05:00,520 Speaker 3: I'm getting my marketing bag right. Look, people, I just 1576 01:05:00,560 --> 01:05:02,040 Speaker 3: want you guys to know sometimes you're gonna have to 1577 01:05:02,080 --> 01:05:04,200 Speaker 3: do some marketing stuff. You really better do your best 1578 01:05:04,240 --> 01:05:06,800 Speaker 3: to do it right. All right, I like beverages. You know. 1579 01:05:09,240 --> 01:05:11,440 Speaker 2: You did not ask my opinion before I asked you 1580 01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:13,360 Speaker 2: that question. Sorry is legitimate, and I'm. 1581 01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:14,680 Speaker 3: Sorry He's gonna listen to this and be like, yes 1582 01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:16,840 Speaker 3: we are and they are. I appreciate all the beverage 1583 01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:18,280 Speaker 3: if you sent to the crib. But yeah, so we 1584 01:05:18,360 --> 01:05:20,600 Speaker 3: did a film just kind of taking a deep look 1585 01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:24,880 Speaker 3: at at sports media culture, basketball media culture, really NBA Twitter, 1586 01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:27,760 Speaker 3: back when Twitter was Twitter and now whatever it is, 1587 01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:30,400 Speaker 3: but just the impact that it has at every level 1588 01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:32,080 Speaker 3: of human being. You look at myself, I'm kind of 1589 01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:34,480 Speaker 3: a testament to what NBA Twitter has been able to 1590 01:05:34,520 --> 01:05:37,000 Speaker 3: provide with just a dude out there, you know, mean 1591 01:05:37,040 --> 01:05:39,680 Speaker 3: boy or whatever people wanted to call it. And now 1592 01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:41,840 Speaker 3: I'm literally hosting the TV show with Gilbert Areenas, are 1593 01:05:41,880 --> 01:05:45,120 Speaker 3: coaching a show with Gilbert Arenas on digital platforms like 1594 01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:47,600 Speaker 3: but so many people I know in that space that 1595 01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:50,120 Speaker 3: have been able to leverage social to create opportunities for themselves, 1596 01:05:50,200 --> 01:05:53,240 Speaker 3: create jobs for themselves. And this is the future the frontier. 1597 01:05:53,360 --> 01:05:55,440 Speaker 3: And you are kind enough to make a cameo in 1598 01:05:55,520 --> 01:05:57,480 Speaker 3: the project. So when you reach out to me to 1599 01:05:57,560 --> 01:05:58,919 Speaker 3: do this, you were like, Yo, we can do something. 1600 01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:00,600 Speaker 3: I'm like, nah, fuck that you came and pulled up 1601 01:06:00,600 --> 01:06:02,000 Speaker 3: And then I thing you ain't doing no zoom for 1602 01:06:02,080 --> 01:06:04,280 Speaker 3: that shit. You took time out of your schedule. So 1603 01:06:04,560 --> 01:06:07,920 Speaker 3: I'm gonna come over to Hill just non traffic hour. Please. 1604 01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:10,120 Speaker 3: You know we live in LA so you know, depending 1605 01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:12,720 Speaker 3: off it's noon or four, that's like a you know, 1606 01:06:13,200 --> 01:06:15,520 Speaker 3: that could be a forty minute driver or four hour drive. 1607 01:06:15,680 --> 01:06:16,920 Speaker 1: I've ever done that to you. That's why I was like, 1608 01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:19,120 Speaker 1: you just let me know what's your time windows. 1609 01:06:18,720 --> 01:06:20,960 Speaker 3: And I got you. But I appreciate you for giving 1610 01:06:20,960 --> 01:06:22,800 Speaker 3: me the opportunity to come on here again. That's Memes 1611 01:06:22,800 --> 01:06:25,680 Speaker 3: the Nightmares coming out February twentieth, this Thursday, February twenty 1612 01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:27,720 Speaker 3: th Yep, we will be. 1613 01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:28,360 Speaker 1: Locked and loaded. 1614 01:06:28,440 --> 01:06:29,840 Speaker 3: You got a movie, yes, I know. 1615 01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:30,720 Speaker 1: I can't wait to see. 1616 01:06:30,720 --> 01:06:33,360 Speaker 2: It's so happy for all of your success and everybody 1617 01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:35,360 Speaker 2: keep watching, gils A Reena, thank you, Josef. 1618 01:06:35,480 --> 01:06:36,040 Speaker 3: Appreciate you. 1619 01:06:37,800 --> 01:06:39,840 Speaker 1: One more segment to go, and you guys know what 1620 01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:40,400 Speaker 1: that means. 1621 01:06:40,520 --> 01:06:45,040 Speaker 2: I got questions to answer up next, your viewer slash 1622 01:06:45,280 --> 01:06:49,520 Speaker 2: listener questions and I have plenty of answers coming up 1623 01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:51,880 Speaker 2: next on the final segment of Spotatives. 1624 01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:01,840 Speaker 1: All right, y'all know what time it is. It's time 1625 01:07:01,960 --> 01:07:03,160 Speaker 1: for your questions. 1626 01:07:03,400 --> 01:07:06,000 Speaker 2: And this week's question comes from Aaron, who asked her 1627 01:07:06,120 --> 01:07:09,640 Speaker 2: question via email. Aarin writes, my question for you is 1628 01:07:09,720 --> 01:07:11,800 Speaker 2: this I listen to women's sports podcasts. 1629 01:07:12,200 --> 01:07:14,520 Speaker 1: The gist of it. This is one of the podcasts. 1630 01:07:14,520 --> 01:07:17,480 Speaker 2: Apparently she listens to the gist of It's audience is 1631 01:07:17,600 --> 01:07:20,360 Speaker 2: women who happen to like sports, regardless of women's level 1632 01:07:20,520 --> 01:07:24,200 Speaker 2: of sports or the gender of sports. The gist breaks 1633 01:07:24,240 --> 01:07:27,120 Speaker 2: down to every level. I listen to Good Game with 1634 01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:29,600 Speaker 2: Sarah Spain. Her audience is anyone who wants to know 1635 01:07:29,640 --> 01:07:33,000 Speaker 2: about women's sports, any women's sports, on any topic, the 1636 01:07:33,080 --> 01:07:36,240 Speaker 2: business case of women's sports. Audience about why it matters 1637 01:07:36,280 --> 01:07:38,520 Speaker 2: to invest in women's sports, not as a charity, but 1638 01:07:38,680 --> 01:07:40,000 Speaker 2: because it's financially smart. 1639 01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:41,760 Speaker 1: Why am I explaining this to you? 1640 01:07:42,280 --> 01:07:46,920 Speaker 2: Obviously there's individual sports podcasts the PWHL. My question is this, 1641 01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:50,560 Speaker 2: what audience's topics do you think are missing in women's 1642 01:07:50,560 --> 01:07:53,040 Speaker 2: sports areas? If you could add to your to do 1643 01:07:53,240 --> 01:07:56,640 Speaker 2: list or your listening list, what would you want next? 1644 01:07:57,480 --> 01:08:01,640 Speaker 2: Thank you for fighting the good fight. Okay, Aaron, So 1645 01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:04,000 Speaker 2: I'd like to see more podcasts to women just kind 1646 01:08:04,040 --> 01:08:06,640 Speaker 2: of talking shit about sports, and not just about women's sports, 1647 01:08:06,680 --> 01:08:09,520 Speaker 2: but all sports. For example, Rappers Cam and Mace they 1648 01:08:09,560 --> 01:08:11,320 Speaker 2: have a sports podcast or a digital show. 1649 01:08:11,600 --> 01:08:13,440 Speaker 1: It's called it Is What It is Now? 1650 01:08:13,480 --> 01:08:15,320 Speaker 2: These are two guys who just love sports, and they 1651 01:08:15,480 --> 01:08:18,559 Speaker 2: talk their own shit about sports in their own unique way. 1652 01:08:19,400 --> 01:08:22,240 Speaker 2: Bloorilla is a big sports fan. Taraji Pinca is a 1653 01:08:22,280 --> 01:08:24,400 Speaker 2: big sports fan. I know Taraji isn't a rapper, but 1654 01:08:24,520 --> 01:08:27,280 Speaker 2: I'm here for two women in entertainment just talking about sports. 1655 01:08:27,720 --> 01:08:30,799 Speaker 1: I'd love to see a female version of Pat McAfee. 1656 01:08:31,120 --> 01:08:33,680 Speaker 2: Now, I don't mean in terms of personality type, with 1657 01:08:33,840 --> 01:08:36,880 Speaker 2: someone who can create a loose environment where she's driving 1658 01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:38,960 Speaker 2: the show with her opinion, in the company of her 1659 01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:42,479 Speaker 2: homegirls or a combination of her homegirls and homeboys. You 1660 01:08:42,600 --> 01:08:45,759 Speaker 2: know who I would give a show to in a minute. 1661 01:08:45,840 --> 01:08:49,200 Speaker 2: That's like that Sidney Colson, who now plays with the 1662 01:08:49,280 --> 01:08:53,120 Speaker 2: Indiana Fever. Sidney is a huge personality. She's arguably the 1663 01:08:53,280 --> 01:08:56,320 Speaker 2: funniest woman in the WNBA. I build a show around 1664 01:08:56,360 --> 01:08:59,120 Speaker 2: her in a minute, but I have her going around 1665 01:08:59,280 --> 01:09:00,840 Speaker 2: pulling pranks on people as part. 1666 01:09:00,720 --> 01:09:01,160 Speaker 1: Of the show. 1667 01:09:01,520 --> 01:09:05,120 Speaker 2: Don't steal my idea, Gilbert aretas though he also has 1668 01:09:05,160 --> 01:09:07,679 Speaker 2: a show, Gil's Areta. It's just him and his homies, 1669 01:09:07,760 --> 01:09:10,639 Speaker 2: former players Nick Young, Jimmy Martin, Cheryl Swoops, and all 1670 01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:13,280 Speaker 2: they do is arguing bullshit. I want to see more 1671 01:09:13,320 --> 01:09:16,400 Speaker 2: women in these media spaces just talking shit, just bullshit 1672 01:09:16,439 --> 01:09:18,840 Speaker 2: and just telling stories and just kicking it. 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