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Speaker 2: It has nothing to do with whether you're gonna go

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Speaker 1: It looks dope. I'm not gonna lie.

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Speaker 2: Joel, Are you gonna go see Marvel's Mark Marvel.

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Speaker 2: There comes your honesty, Joel. What were your thoughts on

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Speaker 3: Liked it, but not a perfect movie at all. It

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but that was back when Marvel was making a

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Speaker 2: It said that the new Marvel universe is thinking about

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Speaker 2: Imagine, imagine Robert Donna and yours check to just show

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Speaker 1: I want that.

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Speaker 1: Right, he's like out of ideas? How about is.

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Speaker 2: There is no how about a planet? It's not even

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Speaker 2: You should get one of those mats that they have

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Speaker 2: This guy's friends with Obama.

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Speaker 1: All I'm trying to say is is that he's talked

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Speaker 2: Do you remember the surgeon Well I want to talk

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Speaker 1: Sierra Coop. That's the only one I remember.

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Speaker 2: No, it is it was see Ever Coop.

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Speaker 1: Right, it's not. It's not Sierra. I thought it was Era.

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Speaker 2: See every Coop. By the way, we're the same age.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this will make you this ship will make.

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Speaker 2: Well, ladies and gentlemen, our podcast has gotten fancy enough,

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Speaker 6: Well, I'm really in a movie theater and the show's

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Speaker 1: It to keep it down.

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Speaker 2: Well, welcome to our show. We're so honored you're here.

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Speaker 2: Make sure I'm pronouncing your name right. It's Vivek Murphy.

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Speaker 2: And you are the Surgeon General of the United States

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Speaker 1: Thunder supply, Daniel, Thunder.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna have some thunder a supply right now. Daniel,

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Speaker 2: thank you so much for coming. You're probably the fanciest

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Speaker 1: And we've had We've had Brendan Fraser.

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Speaker 2: But I think you're cooler. I'm sorry, Bent, I'm gonna

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Speaker 6: Well, you know, he's a pretty big deal. So I

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Speaker 3: So he was the first one to do Siamese twins

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Speaker 6: So that's actually the reason why I wear this uniform.

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Speaker 2: I was about to see the outfit. The uniform is

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Speaker 6: which is that the rates of vaping, especially among the youth,

438
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Speaker 6: among young people, have gone up exactly and they think, oh,

439
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Speaker 6: this is benign, it's not harmful. But what's really concerning

440
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Speaker 6: to us and the reason in twenty sixteen I issue

441
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Speaker 6: that actual Surgeon General's Report on youth you know vaping,

442
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Speaker 6: was because young people, when they shouldn't be on tobacco

443
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Speaker 6: for any reason, but when they're introduced to tobacco products

444
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Speaker 6: through vaping, not only does it addict them to nicotine,

445
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Speaker 6: but it also increases their risk of using traditional cigarettes

446
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Speaker 6: and other tobacco products down the line, which we know

447
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Speaker 6: are really dangerous for your health.

448
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Speaker 2: Yeah, how have they been able to have all that?

449
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Speaker 2: I mean, it's so clearly the cigarette industry found another

450
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Speaker 2: way to get these kids hooked. They went, what if

451
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Speaker 2: we put it in colorful little canisters and give it

452
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Speaker 2: a strawberry flavor. I mean, it's so sinister. Have you

453
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Speaker 2: have you had? I'm sure you've tried, But there's have

454
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Speaker 2: you had any luck pushing back. I remember reading something

455
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Speaker 2: about Jewel, the company Jewel being closed down for somebody.

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Speaker 2: What has been your success with controlling vaping with kids,

457
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Speaker 2: because I mean occasionally I'm around a young person and

458
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Speaker 2: a teenager and you just see they're all sucking on

459
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Speaker 2: those jewels or whatever the vape things.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I know they are, and look there too. I

461
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Speaker 6: think we've made some progress. You know, after our report

462
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Speaker 6: came out, we actually called for aggressive action that the

463
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Speaker 6: government took for the government to take to actually reduce

464
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Speaker 6: the availability and use of these products in the market.

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Speaker 6: Of these products the kids and the FDA ultimately did

466
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Speaker 6: step in and put in a series of steps regulatory

467
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Speaker 6: steps to start clawing back you know, what has become

468
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Speaker 6: dangerous levels of use among kids. And for that reason,

469
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Speaker 6: they've been able to take some of these dangerous products

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Speaker 6: off the shelves. They really what they did is, in

471
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Speaker 6: some ways they put the burden on tobacco companies to

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Speaker 6: prove that their products actually have a public health benefit

473
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Speaker 6: and if they don't, then they shouldn't stay on the market.

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Speaker 6: They also took on flavors, which is which you raised it.

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Speaker 6: So there's so many flavors that appeal to kids. And

476
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Speaker 6: one thing we know from their data is that flavors

477
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Speaker 6: are the number one reason cited by kids as to

478
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Speaker 6: why they're use e cigarettes or vaping devices. And think

479
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Speaker 6: about like watermelon flavors, gummy bear flavors, all of these

480
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Speaker 6: flavors are really appealing to kids. So the FDA has

481
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Speaker 6: since our report came out, taken action against flavors as well.

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Speaker 6: But the bottom line is we use said Zach, which

483
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Speaker 6: is that the industry is proven historically to be very

484
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Speaker 6: creative at finding ways to continue to build and expand

485
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Speaker 6: their markets for their products, and so we've got to

486
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Speaker 6: make sure that the regulatory like apparatus that these rules

487
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Speaker 6: and laws actually keep up with the industry and then

488
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Speaker 6: hopefully go beyond and think ahead of where they're going.

489
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Speaker 6: Because the truth is, as long as we're continuing to

490
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Speaker 6: make tobacco products available and they are going to continue

491
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Speaker 6: to cause depth disease and disability. And it is having

492
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Speaker 6: taken care of many pay patients over the years who

493
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Speaker 6: have suffered as a result of tobacco driven disease, it

494
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Speaker 6: is just heartbreaking to see those avoidable deaths.

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Speaker 1: What's your relationship with the FDA, Like, do you have

496
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Speaker 1: them like on speed dial? Are you like, yo, come on, man,

497
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Speaker 1: I need you to pass this shit already, my guy.

498
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Speaker 2: A chain is a text Is there a text chain

499
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Speaker 2: with emojis?

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Speaker 6: There is not textan with emojis, at least if there is,

501
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Speaker 6: I'm not on that chain. But you know, I talked

502
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Speaker 6: to folks, you know, across the federal agencies, at the FDA,

503
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Speaker 6: at other federal agencies. But it's really important to say

504
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Speaker 6: that the FDA is an independent agency, just like our

505
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 6: office Office of the Surgeon General is independent. So they

506
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Speaker 6: make their own decisions about, you know, what drugs they approve,

507
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Speaker 6: what recommendations they make, what they do when it comes

508
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Speaker 6: to regulating tobacco products. We certainly provide our input and advice,

509
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Speaker 6: and but they ultimately make their own decisions.

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Speaker 1: I wish they made decisions a little bit faster sometimes,

511
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Speaker 1: that's all.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. I hope that you can. I hope

513
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Speaker 2: that because of this podcast and how successful it is,

514
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Speaker 2: you're going to be able to get more graphic warnings

515
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Speaker 2: on cigarettes, because you know, it's interesting. They become like

516
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Speaker 2: a conversation topic. Someone drops one of those on a

517
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Speaker 2: table in a restaurant in Montreal, and then everyone I

518
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Speaker 2: found starts talking about it, and then all of a sudden,

519
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Speaker 2: it was like, oh my god, look at that picture.

520
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Speaker 2: That is so nasty, that's so gross. But then people

521
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Speaker 2: are talking about cigarettes and talking about how you shouldn't

522
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Speaker 2: be smoking. It generates conversation like like, of course it

523
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Speaker 2: was intended to So I really feel that would be

524
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Speaker 2: that would be powerful in this country too, and I

525
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Speaker 2: think it's a shame that you guys have yet to

526
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Speaker 2: be able to get that through.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I couldn't agree with you more. I think not

528
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Speaker 6: only do I think that would be helpful, but look

529
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Speaker 6: in terms of this speed of things. You know, there

530
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Speaker 6: are a lot of really hard working folks in government

531
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Speaker 6: are trying to move things fast, and they're trying to

532
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Speaker 6: you know, they came to government because they want to

533
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Speaker 6: help people. But the bottom line is there are a

534
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Speaker 6: lot of things that make the governments work slow. Even

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Speaker 6: just think about legislation right like we have been you know,

536
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Speaker 6: I and many others have been pushing to get legislation

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Speaker 6: passed that would help protect kids against the harms of

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Speaker 6: social media. You know, I put out an.

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Speaker 7: Advisory Cgional's advisory in May of this past year, but

540
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Speaker 7: I've been talking about a long before then, continue to

541
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Speaker 7: talking about it more afterward, about the urgent need for

542
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Speaker 7: us to have safety standards in place to protect kids from,

543
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Speaker 7: you know, being from what they're being supposed to right now,

544
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Speaker 7: which is harmful content, pornography, extreme violence, but also from

545
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Speaker 7: the bullying and harassment that's taking place, and including from strangers,

546
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Speaker 7: and the addictive features on these on these platforms sucks

547
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Speaker 7: kids in and takes their time away from sleep, from

548
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Speaker 7: in person interaction, from learning time in class.

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Speaker 1: So we one other thing. Once they get not to

550
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Speaker 1: cut you off. Also, once they get off the thing,

551
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Speaker 1: they are freaking so agitated and so discombobulated. Trust me,

552
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Speaker 1: as a kid who as a as a dad who

553
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Speaker 1: has as a father of a kid who plays video

554
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Speaker 1: games on iPads with his friends on social media. When

555
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Speaker 1: he's asked to get off, the energy that has shifted

556
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 1: in him is so ridiculous. He is so angry and

557
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Speaker 1: so upset. So yeah, dude, I am with you on that.

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Speaker 6: I'm sorry, go on, yeah No, And to your point

559
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Speaker 6: on what you mentioned, that behavior is very similar to

560
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Speaker 6: the behavior that we see when you take a substance

561
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Speaker 6: away from someone that they're addicted to. It's very, very

562
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Speaker 6: similar and so and I don't think that that's a coincidence.

563
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Speaker 6: I think these the platforms. Their goal is to maximize

564
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Speaker 6: how much time people spend on the platforms, right, That's

565
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Speaker 6: what actually drives revenue in the bottom line for them.

566
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Speaker 6: And look as apparent as a doctor, a surgeon general,

567
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Speaker 6: what I care about is actually time well spent. You know,

568
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Speaker 6: what they care about is maximizing the amount of time spent.

569
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Speaker 6: But this is a place where we we got to

570
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Speaker 6: protect our kids. This isn't look one thing, just to

571
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Speaker 6: be super clear on this isn't happening because like the

572
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Speaker 6: current generation of young people have been somehow born into

573
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Speaker 6: this world with dramatically less will power than prior generations.

574
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Speaker 6: What's changed is that they are now exposed to tools

575
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Speaker 6: that are praying on the fact that adolescents are much

576
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Speaker 6: more sensitive than other people to social comparison and to

577
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Speaker 6: social suggestion because of their unique phase of brain development.

578
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Speaker 6: So we've got to step up and protect our kids.

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Speaker 6: I raise that because to your point, Zach about the

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Speaker 6: speed of government, this is a place where we need

581
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Speaker 6: government to move a lot faster right, Like, we kids

582
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Speaker 6: can't wait years and years and years for effective legislation

583
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Speaker 6: to pass and to ultimately be implemented. Their childhood is

584
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Speaker 6: happening right now. That's why I'm going to continue to

585
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Speaker 6: do everything I can, certainly to push Congress and to

586
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Speaker 6: tell the public why this is so urgent, so they can,

587
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Speaker 6: you know, they can do what they need to do

588
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Speaker 6: to make their wishes known to their lawmakers. But but look,

589
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Speaker 6: I say, this is the data two kids. Like I

590
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 6: worry deeply about the world. Our kids are growing up,

591
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 6: and we've got to move faster to make it safer

592
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Speaker 6: and more supportive for them.

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Speaker 2: I feel like this is an issue, the rare issue

594
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Speaker 2: where you could unite parties on something because I really listen,

595
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Speaker 2: I took TikTok off my phone try for like a month,

596
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 2: and it was so incredibly addicting, addictive. I found that

597
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Speaker 2: I really had trouble getting off of it right right

598
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Speaker 2: when I was like okay, enough, it set me something else.

599
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 2: I was interested in a way more powerful way personally

600
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Speaker 2: for me than any of the other social media platforms,

601
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Speaker 2: and so I was like, I cannot have this on

602
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Speaker 2: my phone. It's not good for me. It's such a

603
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Speaker 2: waste of time. And I'm a grown man who can

604
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Speaker 2: who has the willpower to be like, okay enough, And

605
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Speaker 2: I think of this drug being given to children. And

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Speaker 2: I'm not a parent myself, but if I was, I

607
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Speaker 2: would be so concerned for the amount of time they're

608
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Speaker 2: spending on this app that can be very, very unhealthy

609
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Speaker 2: for them, telling them they need to look a certain way,

610
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Speaker 2: telling them they need to act a certain way, making

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Speaker 2: them feel less than about themselves. So I guess my.

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Speaker 2: And there's a great book I recommended before on here

613
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Speaker 2: that I don't know if you've read, called The Chaos

614
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Speaker 2: Machine Jo. Well, we should have trying to have that

615
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 2: author on here because he's he was a really, really

616
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 2: great book, and I recommend it to parents especially. But

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Speaker 2: what do you you know, we have a lot of

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Speaker 2: parents that listen to the show. What can you give

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Speaker 2: them some advice? What does one do? Because their kids

620
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Speaker 2: all want to be on the same things as their friends, right?

621
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Speaker 2: What you know? What what do you? What do you?

622
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Speaker 2: What do you tell a parent about how to control

623
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Speaker 2: their kids addiction to these social media apps? Because it's

624
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 2: clearly not good for any of us.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna keep it one hundred and it's easier said

626
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Speaker 1: than done. You're gonna give your anecdote right now, and

627
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 1: that ship is out the window when you hear the

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Speaker 1: kid freaking screaming like a banshee in the freaking in

629
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Speaker 1: the house, and you're like, fine, just take this ship.

630
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Speaker 1: Just take the fucking gang. Just take it, take it,

631
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Speaker 1: take it, take it. You know what I mean?

632
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Speaker 2: Right? Oh yeah, right right, I'm sure And listen, that's

633
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Speaker 2: that's a ladies and gentlemen. That's right from the Fason household. No,

634
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Speaker 2: I know, but I I it may may have I

635
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Speaker 2: don't know. I don't have any answers, but I'm hoping

636
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Speaker 2: that you can at least give some recommendations to people.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure one of the things is is what age

638
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Speaker 2: can you hold it off until? Right?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, well, look, this is the dilemma. I think almost

640
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:16,719
Speaker 6: every parent is finding themselves in how to manage technology

641
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 6: that we didn't grow up with, that we didn't have

642
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 6: to manage, that's rapidly evolving, and that's designed to suck

643
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 6: our kids in without any limits, right Like, that is

644
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 6: a dilemma. And right now, what I would tell parents

645
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 6: out there is just no Number one, you're not struggling

646
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Speaker 6: alone here every other parent is dealing with this. I

647
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Speaker 6: say that because I run into a lot of parents

648
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 6: who think, hey, every other parent has figured this out.

649
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 6: I'm the failure because I haven't figured out how to

650
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Speaker 6: manage this with my kids. So number one, that's not true.

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Speaker 6: Number Two, I think the important thing to realize is

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Speaker 6: that we can start a lot of this work by

653
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Speaker 6: initiating a conversation with our kids about how we use technology,

654
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 6: how technology makes them feel. There's so many young people

655
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Speaker 6: I talk to who are on social media who have

656
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Speaker 6: a lot of insight into how it's making them feel,

657
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 6: who often say, you know, I feeling great about my

658
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 6: day that I go on social and I see all

659
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Speaker 6: the stuff that other people are doing and I just

660
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 6: don't feel so great as a result. Or I see

661
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 6: people doing stuff without me and then I start to

662
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Speaker 6: feel left out. And all of that is important, but

663
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Speaker 6: when a child is processing that alone, it can be

664
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Speaker 6: even more stressful. So starting a conversation with your child

665
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Speaker 6: about how they're using social media, how it's making them feel.

666
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Speaker 6: Are they having dangerous interactions or are they being approached

667
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Speaker 6: by strangers, Like six out of ten adolescent girls are

668
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Speaker 6: right now yeah, in ways that are making them feel uncomfortable.

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Speaker 6: These are things it's important to start a conversation on

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Speaker 6: the second. Here's another thing I would do. If you're

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Speaker 6: a parent whose child is not yet on social media,

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Speaker 6: I would seek to delay their use of social media

673
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Speaker 6: until past middle school if you can. This is a

674
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Speaker 6: lot easier said than done, because a lot of the

675
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 6: people around them, a lot of the kids around them,

676
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 6: are going to be on social and they're gonna.

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Speaker 1: Say, hey, everybody has phones already.

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Speaker 2: It's fine, parent, But a parent can can say you

679
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 2: can have a phone, but you're knocking down social media

680
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 2: right so they can There's an asterisk to that, which

681
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 2: I'll get you in a second, because it can be

682
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Speaker 2: a tricky to do that because sometimes kids will download

683
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Speaker 2: and use apps and create accounts without your knowledge of them.

684
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Speaker 2: Even if you are a thoughtful, conscientious parent who's monitoring

685
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 2: their phone. There are ways to hide apps and to

686
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,840
Speaker 2: essentially keeping in the dark as a parent, But delaying

687
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,800
Speaker 2: the use until past middle school is ideal. And here's why.

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Speaker 6: Because adolescence is a unique time when our kids' brains

689
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 6: and their socialized are developing, when they're more vulnerable. If

690
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 6: you will to the harms that social media may cause.

691
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Speaker 6: But the early adolescent period, when they're in middle school

692
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Speaker 6: is when they're particularly sensitive. So delaying passe is helpful. Now,

693
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Speaker 6: doing it on your own is very hard. But if

694
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,799
Speaker 6: you can partner with a few other parents, yeah, who

695
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 6: may also have similar concerns about their kids, who may

696
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 6: want to keep them safe, that becomes a lot easier.

697
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Speaker 6: You have more supporter as a parent. But your kids

698
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Speaker 6: also know, hey, I'm not the only one. Donald's kids

699
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Speaker 6: are also not getting to use this in middle school,

700
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Speaker 6: Zax kids aren't getting to us this like they'll know right,

701
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Speaker 6: like that they're at least not alone.

702
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 2: Ideally with the with the kids friend group, right, you know,

703
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 2: saying hey, we four parents are going to band together.

704
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Speaker 6: And exactly exactly, so that makes it a little more sustainable.

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00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 6: Let me say one last word though, about well two

706
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 6: last things. One is about what to do if your

707
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,839
Speaker 6: kids already on social media, right, because that can be hard,

708
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 6: you know, like taking it away from them, Like I

709
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:27,760
Speaker 6: know that that is not an easy proposition.

710
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Speaker 1: But taking a drug away, yeah, and.

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Speaker 6: It's it's it can be incredibly painful if it's not

712
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Speaker 6: done in the right way, right, Just like cutting somebody

713
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 6: off immediately without any support you know, from a substance

714
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 6: addicted to could be potentially harmful to them without the

715
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 6: right you know process. So here, what I would say

716
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:47,760
Speaker 6: is a place to start is to create a few

717
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 6: tech freeze zones in your child's life. And specifically the

718
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,360
Speaker 6: areas I would protect in their day are there times

719
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Speaker 6: for sleep, learning, and in person interaction. Those are the

720
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Speaker 6: three things our kids need in our to grow, develop

721
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Speaker 6: and thrive. And that could mean an hour before your

722
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 6: child goes to bed and throughout the night they don't

723
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Speaker 6: have access to their devices. I was just with a

724
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Speaker 6: parent the other day at an event that I was at,

725
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Speaker 6: who said, you know, we started a practice in middle

726
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Speaker 6: school if everyone charges their phones in our bedroom, they

727
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 6: don't take their phones into their bedrooms. And we're still

728
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Speaker 6: doing that to this day even though our kids are

729
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,800
Speaker 6: in high school. And it keeps protect their sleep, protecting

730
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Speaker 6: their in person time from tech. So time around the

731
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Speaker 6: dinner table, time when they're hanging out with their friend,

732
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,840
Speaker 6: you know, with friends at home, when they're family gatherings

733
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 6: also important, and time learning. So many kids are actually

734
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Speaker 6: on their devices in school in class while they're doing

735
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Speaker 6: their homework, and I'll tell you this. You know, like

736
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:44,879
Speaker 6: we overestimate how good we are at multitasking. We think, oh,

737
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 6: we can pay attention to this and that at the

738
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 6: same time be on our phone. I'll listen to a conversation.

739
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 6: The signs is super clear that we're really bad and multitasking.

740
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 6: What we do is we task switch rapidly. So if

741
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Speaker 6: we're looking at that text that popped up on our

742
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,280
Speaker 6: phone in class, we're not actually hearing what our teacher

743
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 6: is saying. So I would this is a place where

744
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,359
Speaker 6: parents are speaking up more and more in schools to say, hey,

745
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Speaker 6: can we make classrooms a tech free space? You know,

746
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 6: the kids can maybe use them in between classes or

747
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Speaker 6: I can't.

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Speaker 2: Believe they're not. I mean, I'm sorry for being naive

749
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Speaker 2: because I don't have any kids, but I would daydream

750
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Speaker 2: of a world where the teacher is saying, like, no phones.

751
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Speaker 2: You're saying a lot of kids are doing it under

752
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 2: their desk or whatever. But this must be hard for

753
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Speaker 2: them to police.

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Speaker 6: Well, so that's one of the reasons I think it's

755
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Speaker 6: been challenging for schools. A lot of them have policies

756
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Speaker 6: they're just not enforced. But the schools that I've Ever

757
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Speaker 6: since our social media advisory came out on kids' mental

758
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 6: health in earlier this year, we've heard from more and

759
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 6: more schools that have used that sort of as a

760
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,280
Speaker 6: way to go to their parent communities and say, look,

761
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,800
Speaker 6: we've got to now create these tech free zones in

762
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 6: our classroom. And one of them I ran into actually

763
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 6: a school in Indiana when I was visiting, and they

764
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 6: told me, they said, actually, after we implemented that policy,

765
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Speaker 6: a couple of things we noticed almost right away. We

766
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 6: noticed that we heard kids actually talking to each other

767
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 6: more in the hallways during lunchtime. We actually saw them

768
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 6: playing games like whether it was Jenga or card games

769
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 6: or other things in between classes when they had some

770
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 6: downtime that wasn't happening before everyone was on their devices.

771
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 6: They weren't actually interacting with each other. So anyway, these

772
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,839
Speaker 6: are our places or some small steps we can take.

773
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 6: But a last they see to Donald's point about the phones,

774
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 6: here's the tricky thing the phones. Smartphones in particular are

775
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 6: easy to load apps onto, and those apps can often

776
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 6: be hidden. I have heard so many heartbreaking stories from

777
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 6: parents who have lost their children to suicide after their

778
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 6: child was mercilessly bullied and harassed on social media, and

779
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 6: they were really monitoring those phones, but they only realized

780
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:51,359
Speaker 6: after their child passed that they were all of these

781
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:53,319
Speaker 6: accounts that they had that they didn't know about and

782
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 6: apps that they were hiding that the parent wasn't aware of.

783
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:58,760
Speaker 6: So there are more and more parents who are actually

784
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 6: doing this. They're saying, yeah, I want my kid to

785
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 6: be safe, to be able to make a call if

786
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 6: there's an issue, to be able to get help, to

787
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 6: be in touch with me, but they're actually trying to

788
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:10,240
Speaker 6: get them what you can call dumb phones, so phones

789
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 6: that we used to use back in the day when.

790
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Speaker 2: Yeah that Motorola Star tech baby.

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00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean the phones which allow you to make

792
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 6: phone calls and text, but which don't allow you to

793
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 6: actually download apps. So those might seem old school Sidekick

794
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 6: mobile Sidekick Baby, get back, y'all, I think that may

795
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 6: have had apps. I'm not sure.

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Speaker 2: Well, we're going to take a break, but we both

797
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,319
Speaker 2: have so many more questions for you. We're so glad

798
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 2: you're here. I want to get to one of the

799
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:41,240
Speaker 2: latest things that you're speaking about and spreading the word about.

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Speaker 1: I had the problem which I believe that too.

801
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 2: What's that You.

802
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:45,720
Speaker 1: Had the perfect segue?

803
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 2: Okay, well, can we need to take a break and

804
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:49,280
Speaker 2: then you can go back to your segue. Everyone remember

805
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:51,760
Speaker 2: where we are at and then listen to these ads.

806
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 2: When we come back. Donald is going to be in

807
00:39:53,560 --> 00:40:06,240
Speaker 2: charge of the segue. We'll be right back, all right, Donald,

808
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 2: what was your segue? Everyone remembered where we were.

809
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 1: So you left office and things were kind of normal.

810
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 1: You came back to office and there was a Clusterfuck,

811
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 1: let's keep it one hundred. Like everything had switched. The

812
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:27,880
Speaker 1: world had changed, and not only had it changed, people

813
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 1: were staying at home because of the change that had

814
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Speaker 1: come caused loneliness. Caused a lot of loneliness, caused a

815
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Speaker 1: lot of fear. And you're combating that right now.

816
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Speaker 2: My correct, That was very good, Donald. I mean, you

817
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 2: know where we think we're decent podcast hosts, vivic. But

818
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Speaker 2: I just want to give my I want to give

819
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 2: you your flowers. Donald. That was nicely done.

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Speaker 1: I'll take that. I'll take that.

821
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Speaker 2: I'll take that level segue. That was very nice. If

822
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 2: I could just piggyback off of it, the loneliness epidemic

823
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 2: was happening question mark and then COVID magnified it exponentially.

824
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:14,280
Speaker 2: Is that true?

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00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 6: That's exactly right. Yeah, it was. It was a fire

826
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 6: that was burning for years and then COVID just dumped

827
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 6: a whole lot of fuel on it and made loneliness

828
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 6: much worse. But yeah, this was a problem before. In fact,

829
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:30,320
Speaker 6: I was seeing loneliness in communities when I was traveling

830
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 6: around the country in twenty fifteen during my first stinto

831
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Speaker 6: Surgeon General. It was and that's actually what made me

832
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 6: realize that this was a public health issue. You see,

833
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 6: before that like I never learned about loneliness in medical school,

834
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 6: Like we were never taught it was a health issue.

835
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Speaker 6: But I knew what it felt like because as a kid,

836
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Speaker 6: I struggled a lot with loneliness.

837
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:50,320
Speaker 2: Myself.

838
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:52,359
Speaker 6: I was, you know, it was one of those kids

839
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 6: who didn't really want to go to school most days,

840
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 6: and I would often fake having a stomach ache so

841
00:41:57,560 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 6: that my mom would, you know, take pity on me

842
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 6: and let me stay at home. Not because she doesn't

843
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 6: know that, by the way, And I don't know if

844
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:04,799
Speaker 6: she listens to this podcast or not, but if.

845
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 2: She does, she does, everyone does everyone, And.

846
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Speaker 1: Also listen, let's be honest, man, you did fake you did.

847
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 1: You got out of school a lot. But look at

848
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:15,360
Speaker 1: you now you're a surgeon general.

849
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 2: So I'm listening. You know, I know that Obama listens.

850
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 2: So just watch your words, watch.

851
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Speaker 1: Your be careful, be careful, careful.

852
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Speaker 2: Don't don't dis Obama because he listens, all right for

853
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 2: how we talk.

854
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:29,839
Speaker 6: Yeah, But you know, the thing is I did all

855
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:32,799
Speaker 6: that because I was not because I was scared about

856
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 6: teachers or tests. I was scared about going to the

857
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:38,800
Speaker 6: cafeteria lunchtime one more time and not having someone to

858
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:41,839
Speaker 6: sit next to, or being on the playground and being

859
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 6: scared that I wouldn't get chosen to be on someone's team,

860
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 6: even though it was a pretty decent athlete, because I

861
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 6: just didn't have that many friends. So I knew that

862
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 6: feeling personally, and I actually saw it in a lot

863
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 6: of my patients, you know, when I as a doctor.

864
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 6: But I didn't realize how widespread it was until I

865
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 6: started traveling as surge in general and hearing from people

866
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Speaker 6: who would things like, you know, I feel like I

867
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:05,320
Speaker 6: just walked through life, you know, carrying all these burdens

868
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 6: by myself. Or I feel like if I disappeared tomorrow,

869
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 6: nobody would care, nobody would notice, or I feel invisible.

870
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 6: And I was hearing this from college students who are

871
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 6: surrounded by hundreds of other students on campus, like from

872
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 6: moms and dads who were like a busy workplace. I

873
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 6: was hearing this from CEOs and from members of Congress.

874
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 6: Everybody seemed to have their own stories and struggles with loneliness.

875
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:29,360
Speaker 6: So that's what got me interested in exploring this deeper.

876
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 6: And as I did, I realized two big things. One

877
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 6: is that loneliness is extremely common. One in two adults

878
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 6: have measurable levels of loneliness in the United States, and

879
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 6: even the numbers are even higher among kids. But I

880
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 6: also came to realize how consequential loneliness is for both

881
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 6: our mental health and our physical health, and that really

882
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:48,919
Speaker 6: surprised me absolutely.

883
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:52,319
Speaker 1: I mean I think about it all the time, Like

884
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:54,879
Speaker 1: you know, some people can strue loneliness as well. I'm

885
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:57,280
Speaker 1: by myself all the time. But you could be lonely

886
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 1: and be surrounded by a bunch of people, you could

887
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 1: be you could be lonely and have and and have

888
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:06,799
Speaker 1: a wife or a husband and children surrounding you and

889
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 1: still feel lonely and still feel alone. It's it's it

890
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 1: you say, one in two. Wow, I feel like everybody

891
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 1: at some point experiences loneliness.

892
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:20,439
Speaker 6: I think you're right, and I think I think one

893
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 6: in two is actually an underestimate because that's the number

894
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 6: of people who are actually willing to admit to it

895
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 6: right on a survey. But I think there's this sense

896
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 6: of shame also that surrounds loneliness where we we think.

897
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:33,360
Speaker 6: And this is how I felt when I was a

898
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 6: kid and at times when I was an adult, and

899
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:37,839
Speaker 6: I struggled with loneliness. But I felt like, you know,

900
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 6: I'm lonely because I I'm not likable, I did something wrong.

901
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 6: I'm not like interesting enough, Like you think it's something

902
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 6: about you, you know that is making you, uh, you know,

903
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:48,360
Speaker 6: not someone the folks want to hang out with. And

904
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 6: it doesn't feel great to admit that. So I think

905
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:52,320
Speaker 6: people actually keep that under wraps.

906
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 2: Did the did did social media, which we thought would

907
00:44:56,760 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 2: would make people more connected? Did did it tribute to

908
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 2: this isolation?

909
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:05,280
Speaker 6: I believe it has, yeah, And I think the intent

910
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:08,760
Speaker 6: was to actually build community. But what ended up happening

911
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 6: with social media were a couple of interesting and really

912
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 6: concerning things. One is that people started shifting more of

913
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 6: what used to be offline in person friendships to online friendships.

914
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 6: They started valuing quantity number of friends over the quality

915
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:28,879
Speaker 6: of friends, regardless of how few they were. I still

916
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 6: remember in the early days of social media, people always

917
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 6: talk about how many friends do you have? Like I

918
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 6: have this many. Oh, now I'm getting to that level,

919
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 6: and I'm getting to that level. Contacts are not necessarily friends,

920
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 6: like online acquaintances don't necessarily translate to somebody who can

921
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 6: be there for you during a crisis, right. I think

922
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 6: the last thing that happened, which is more insidious but

923
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:49,800
Speaker 6: really important, is that I think for many people, social

924
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 6: media ended up shredding their self esteem, not all at once,

925
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 6: gradually over time. But it doesn't matter like how rich, powerful,

926
00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:00,319
Speaker 6: accomplished you are, whatever. When you're constantly comparing yourself help

927
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 6: to what people are posting online, you're gonna feel worse

928
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 6: about your life. And that's even though we know like

929
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 6: that that's not one hundred percent real, that people are

930
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 6: curating and selecting what they post. It actually turns it

931
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:14,879
Speaker 6: turns out that that doesn't insulate us from feeling worse

932
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 6: about ourselves, and so that that I think has had

933
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 6: an impact because imagine if you if you feel worse

934
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:22,359
Speaker 6: and worse about yourself, less confident in who you are,

935
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 6: it makes it harder to actually go and put yourself

936
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:28,360
Speaker 6: out there and meet other people and build a relationship friendship.

937
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 6: And so I think all of this together has actually

938
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 6: contributed to greater loneliness in the population.

939
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:38,360
Speaker 1: Social media has contributed to so many of the lives

940
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 1: that are out there right now, Like now, some of

941
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 1: y'all don't look like that. I'm gonna keep it one

942
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:46,240
Speaker 1: hundred like some of y'all, but putting filter after filter

943
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:50,439
Speaker 1: after filter on your face and we know, okay, because

944
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 1: ain't nobody skin that perfect?

945
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 2: Yeah? Okay, well you're too much?

946
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 1: Am I going too far?

947
00:46:55,480 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 2: No? True? Do you have a filter on right now?

948
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 1: Because you know what happened.

949
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 6: I wish, I wish I was sophisticated enough to even

950
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 6: know how to put a filter on.

951
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 1: But I'm just I don't have so handsome Oh man,

952
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:14,840
Speaker 1: thank you, no doubt.

953
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 2: I will tell my mother you said that. She'll be

954
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 2: very proud. She's listening. Of course, he's right in a

955
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:26,400
Speaker 2: sense that the filters and everything makes you know adds

956
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 2: to a heightened sense of people feeling like, gosh, I

957
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 2: don't look like that. I'm not.

958
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 1: That's what I was, That's what I was trying to

959
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 1: get at, Like sincerely, man, Like, there's nothing real on

960
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 1: social media. Everything that's posted is a heightened reality, and

961
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 1: we all know it, but we still try to keep

962
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 1: up with it. We try to keep we all get

963
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 1: the we get the latest filters ourselves or we get

964
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 1: the you know what I mean.

965
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, And look, there's the thing is that there's a

966
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:53,919
Speaker 6: fine line between using some of these features for fun

967
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 6: and then slipping into a world where that becomes the norm.

968
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:00,439
Speaker 6: And I think that's what's happened like really quickly here

969
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 6: with social media. So look, I think part of our

970
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:05,759
Speaker 6: challenge and like in this moment in our lives and

971
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 6: in society, is to figure out how to how to

972
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 6: start living real life as opposed to living our lives

973
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:16,279
Speaker 6: mostly online, which is what's happening to most people. Like

974
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:20,359
Speaker 6: real life is happening offline's and we need to get

975
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 6: people to a place where they have the space, the

976
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 6: opportunities to comfort, the skills to actually engage.

977
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 2: With one another.

978
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 6: I'll honestly say this it's not always about like major

979
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 6: massive transformation of your life. Like sometimes like just a

980
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 6: little bit of interaction can go a long way to

981
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 6: making us feel better, Like stopping to say hello to

982
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:41,319
Speaker 6: somebody on the way out out of work, you know,

983
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 6: just to check on them, see how they're doing, picking

984
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 6: up the phone to call a friend on your way

985
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 6: to work just to say hey, yeah, I was thinking

986
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 6: about you. Just want to know what you're up to,

987
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:52,879
Speaker 6: how you're doing, or dropping somebody aline just to say hey,

988
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:54,919
Speaker 6: I remember that thing you did for me last week

989
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 6: and that it really helped.

990
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:56,839
Speaker 1: Me a lot.

991
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 2: You know, I was having a bad day. Thanks for

992
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 2: reaching out for me to me, Thanks for thinking about me.

993
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 6: These things can take like a minute, two minutes, but

994
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 6: they make us feel so much better, more human, more connected,

995
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 6: because the truth is, like you know, we evolved over

996
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 6: thousands of years to not just like listen to the

997
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 6: content of what each other is saying, but to like

998
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:19,360
Speaker 6: to perceive and to take in like your facial expression,

999
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 6: your body language, the tone of your voice, your physical presence.

1000
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 6: And when we have all of that which we have

1001
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 6: an in person interaction, it goes so much farther and

1002
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 6: is so much richer for us than we are when

1003
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 6: we are solely relying. Let's say I'm texting somebody or

1004
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:34,839
Speaker 6: emailing them to communicate.

1005
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 1: Okay, but here's a question. Then, how do we get

1006
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:39,839
Speaker 1: out in the world and do all of these things

1007
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 1: when we hate each other? Right now? You know what

1008
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:44,359
Speaker 1: I mean? Like, that's where we're at right now as

1009
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 1: a as a people. Yeah, we deal with so much hate.

1010
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 1: This planet is filled with hate. And we're asking people

1011
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 1: to get out and touch and stuff like that, and

1012
00:49:58,080 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 1: a lot of people don't want to be touched by

1013
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:02,759
Speaker 1: other people, you know what I mean? Like, where how

1014
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:05,799
Speaker 1: do we can how do we how do we fix that?

1015
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:09,799
Speaker 1: Like how that there's more to it than just you know,

1016
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:14,240
Speaker 1: I mean, getting out with loved ones is something different.

1017
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 1: But I feel like and I and I get where

1018
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 1: you're coming from with that, but I feel like right now,

1019
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 1: like I feel like social media, I feel like all

1020
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 1: of these things are really are what's contributing to the

1021
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:30,800
Speaker 1: amount of hatred that's going on in this world towards

1022
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 1: towards one another, you know, and I, you know, I

1023
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:40,560
Speaker 1: I My question is, how do we combat that If

1024
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 1: we're going to get out and we're going to start

1025
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:43,879
Speaker 1: talking to people. And we're going to start doing that,

1026
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:46,440
Speaker 1: we got to be ready to hear. You know, some

1027
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 1: people don't want to listen.

1028
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:51,399
Speaker 6: Yeah, So I think that's the right question, Donald, because

1029
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 6: I do think you're right, and I don't think you're

1030
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:57,400
Speaker 6: alone in feeling like the feeling like there's a lot

1031
00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:00,839
Speaker 6: of hate and division and anger like in the world

1032
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:02,719
Speaker 6: right now, and that makes the more you feel that,

1033
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 6: the less less you want to reach out to other

1034
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 6: people or build bridges. Two things I would say here, though,

1035
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 6: One is I actually think there's actually less hate than

1036
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:15,399
Speaker 6: we think. And because it is magnified on social media,

1037
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:17,880
Speaker 6: it's magnified in the traditional media, and it makes us

1038
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 6: think that that is everyone. That's how everyone feels like

1039
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:23,239
Speaker 6: these are all the interactions that are happening everywhere. They're

1040
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:26,319
Speaker 6: actually not. They're a fraction of reality. But here's the

1041
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:30,279
Speaker 6: second thing. I think we actually hate. It's easier to

1042
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 6: hate other people when we don't know them, right, And like,

1043
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 6: if you're always give you a simple example, if you're

1044
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 6: at work, let's say, and you want to just get

1045
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 6: to know a few more people, you don't need to

1046
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 6: like go to your your your person in your neighboring

1047
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 6: cubicle and say hey, can you have lunch with me

1048
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 6: so we can talk about the top three most divisive

1049
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 6: controversial subjects out there, because that's not what people like do, right,

1050
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:57,360
Speaker 6: You might like we connect on this stuff that we share,

1051
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 6: Like maybe we both have kids and we were worried

1052
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:02,920
Speaker 6: about them. Maybe we both love music and we you know,

1053
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:04,719
Speaker 6: we just went to a concert last night. We can

1054
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:07,400
Speaker 6: talk about that. Maybe you know, we talk about the

1055
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 6: work we have. I we talk about the communities and

1056
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:11,840
Speaker 6: neighborhoods we live in. There's a lot of our life

1057
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:15,279
Speaker 6: that actually is part of a shared experience that constitutes

1058
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:19,360
Speaker 6: you know, subjects of conversation and points of connection. Frankly,

1059
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:21,360
Speaker 6: that can bring us together. And I'll tell you what

1060
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:23,959
Speaker 6: happens when we do that. When we start learning about

1061
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 6: people about their family, about their background, about their kids,

1062
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 6: about their experience in the neighborhood, but their culture, When

1063
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 6: we started learning about that, it becomes a lot easier

1064
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:38,399
Speaker 6: for us to manage disagreements. Right, Like you, I don't

1065
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:40,440
Speaker 6: know if you guys have this, but most people have

1066
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:43,200
Speaker 6: a relative that they get together with the Thanksgiving who's

1067
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 6: their crazy uncle or they're crazy aunt. Who's got views

1068
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 6: that are totally different from them, who they don't can't

1069
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 6: talk to about politics or whatever it is. But the

1070
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:53,279
Speaker 6: truth is if that uncle or aunt, we're in a

1071
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:55,960
Speaker 6: car accident ended up in the hospital, you would show up.

1072
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:58,279
Speaker 6: If you were in the hospital and you needed something

1073
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:01,759
Speaker 6: in an emergency, they would you do that because you

1074
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:06,760
Speaker 6: have a foundation of relationship that allows you to perhaps

1075
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:09,239
Speaker 6: disagree on things. And you can see though that being

1076
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 6: beneath that is a real person, right, We're more than

1077
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 6: the issues we disagree on, like, and that's what building

1078
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:17,799
Speaker 6: these sort of connections allows us to feel. And that's

1079
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:19,840
Speaker 6: what I think we have a chance to get back to.

1080
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 6: That's why I say it happens in the small conversations

1081
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:27,960
Speaker 6: between neighbors, co workers, between folks, between fellow parents. We

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00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 6: have a lot that actually connects us. We're just not

1083
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 6: hearing or seeing much of that on social media.

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00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:35,360
Speaker 1: Or the news. So start in the community.

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00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:39,360
Speaker 2: Yes, right out, Yeah, you just made me realize that

1086
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 2: Thanksgiving this year is going to be a doozy for

1087
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:48,799
Speaker 2: a lot of people. Like if you look at if

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00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 2: you looked at a graph at the most difficult Thanksgivings

1089
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:54,359
Speaker 2: of the last twenty years. I bet this one's gonna win.

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Speaker 1: Hey, you know what, pretty wrong? You know, this is

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00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 1: probably going to be the most I mean just coming

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00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 1: out of COVID too though, so everybody is really probably

1093
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 1: gonna this will probably be the biggest year of congregation

1094
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:11,279
Speaker 1: on thanks Is that the right word? On Thanksgiving?

1095
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:12,120
Speaker 4: You know what I mean?

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00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:17,400
Speaker 2: Use of congregation? I went to congregation Temple Israel.

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00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:19,799
Speaker 1: Let's take a break.

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00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:30,799
Speaker 2: We'll be right back after these fine words. I want

1099
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:32,839
Speaker 2: to talk about on a serious note, On a more

1100
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:36,840
Speaker 2: serious note, the team suicide rate. In doing some research

1101
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:39,759
Speaker 2: on you coming on, I read some articles that really

1102
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:42,279
Speaker 2: blew my mind. I knew that this had increased, but

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00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:45,800
Speaker 2: here's something from US News and World Report which I

1104
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 2: would think would would be accurate. Researchers found that between

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00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 2: two thousand and eight and eighteen, suicide rate among thirteen

1106
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:57,840
Speaker 2: and fourteen year olds nationwide more than doubled, from roughly

1107
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 2: to deaths per one hundred thousand and two eight to

1108
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:04,840
Speaker 2: five or one hundred thousand, a stark reversal from a

1109
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:08,400
Speaker 2: decline that began the nineties and now in the suicide

1110
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:10,720
Speaker 2: is now the leading cause of death for thirteen fourteen

1111
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:11,920
Speaker 2: year olds in the United States.

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Speaker 6: That's accurate, right, yeah, and so so disturbing. I mean, like,

1113
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:17,479
Speaker 6: how did we get here?

1114
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 2: Right? Right? And before you answered, my gut is to say,

1115
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:24,960
Speaker 2: what is the big change? The big change is social media?

1116
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:27,560
Speaker 2: But is it more than that? Like? Why is this

1117
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 2: fucking happening? And what do parents do?

1118
00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:33,960
Speaker 1: This scares the shit out of me. I'm sorry, Doc,

1119
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:37,720
Speaker 1: but this does. This is one thing that sincerely.

1120
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 2: I'm sure it scares everyone out there listening, and it's

1121
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:43,319
Speaker 2: not something that's talked about a lot. I knew that

1122
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:45,320
Speaker 2: the suicide rate had increased, but I didn't know it

1123
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 2: was as stark as that stat. So I wondered, in

1124
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:50,880
Speaker 2: your position, what do you think the cause of it

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00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 2: is and what can be done about it?

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00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:55,880
Speaker 6: Well, listen, I don't think there's anything more important as

1127
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:58,680
Speaker 6: a public health issue than we should be focusing on

1128
00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:01,440
Speaker 6: in youth mental health. I've called this a defining public

1129
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:03,799
Speaker 6: health crisis of our time, and I firmly believe that,

1130
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 6: and it's why I've spent the better part of my

1131
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:09,719
Speaker 6: tenure focused on this issue. I think to understand it

1132
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:12,640
Speaker 6: where it's coming from. I think we've got to understand that.

1133
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:15,800
Speaker 6: Yet some of it has to do with the profound

1134
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:18,279
Speaker 6: impact that social media has had on kids' mental health.

1135
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 6: I think we've also seen a growing amount of loneliness

1136
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:27,839
Speaker 6: among kids that is part only partially related to social media.

1137
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 6: I think there are other contributors to that loneliness as well.

1138
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 6: But we know that the amount of time that kids

1139
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:38,439
Speaker 6: spend in person with their friends has actually dropped by

1140
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:41,920
Speaker 6: fifty percent in the around fifteen years or so prior

1141
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 6: to the pandemic, and I dropped even further during the pandemic.

1142
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:47,719
Speaker 6: So there are more and more forces that are taking

1143
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:51,400
Speaker 6: us away from each other. And look, I think that

1144
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:54,239
Speaker 6: there's another element to this that we don't talk about enough,

1145
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 6: which is I think more and more of our kids

1146
00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:00,960
Speaker 6: are becoming the victims of a achievement culture that I

1147
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:03,759
Speaker 6: don't think serves them right. It's not a culture that

1148
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:06,239
Speaker 6: says achievement is good or bad. It's not about that.

1149
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:09,400
Speaker 6: It's about how we define what achievement is and what

1150
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:12,880
Speaker 6: success is. And I think that we're telling our kids

1151
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:17,960
Speaker 6: more and more that if they aren't perfect, that they

1152
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:20,080
Speaker 6: don't have a future. They've got to get into fancy schools,

1153
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 6: have a long resume, have you know, top grades, et cetera,

1154
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:26,080
Speaker 6: in order to make it through and be worthy. And again,

1155
00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:29,960
Speaker 6: there's nothing wrong with having good grades, with striving, you know,

1156
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:33,200
Speaker 6: to get into great schools, with you know, with achievement.

1157
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:34,919
Speaker 6: There's nothing wrong with it in and of itself. Here's

1158
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:38,120
Speaker 6: the problem. The problem comes where we define our kids

1159
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 6: worth their self esteem by whether or not they've met

1160
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:47,840
Speaker 6: these increasingly stringent standards of success. You know, when I

1161
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 6: talk to kids around the country, I do a lot

1162
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:52,360
Speaker 6: of round tables with high school students, with college students,

1163
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:56,160
Speaker 6: and with even younger students, they tell me that they

1164
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 6: feel like they're being asked to chase a model of

1165
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:02,840
Speaker 6: success that says, to make it, you've got to be famous,

1166
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 6: you've got to be wealthy, you've got to be powerful,

1167
00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 6: and ideally all three. Right, if you get all three,

1168
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 6: we'll write books about you, we'll make movies about you,

1169
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:15,200
Speaker 6: we'll write stories about you in the media. But you know,

1170
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:17,720
Speaker 6: I'll tell you this, I know a lot of people

1171
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:19,880
Speaker 6: who are rich, powerful and famous and who are really

1172
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:22,880
Speaker 6: unhappy and not fulfilled. And I know a lot of

1173
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:25,480
Speaker 6: people who are not rich, who are not powerful, who

1174
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:28,880
Speaker 6: are not famous, but they're really really happy because they

1175
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:32,200
Speaker 6: have relationships in their life. They have a sense of purpose,

1176
00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:34,440
Speaker 6: in the role they play in their neighborhood or in

1177
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:38,200
Speaker 6: their work. That's ultimately what matters, and I think that

1178
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:41,480
Speaker 6: the focus has shifted so much away from that that

1179
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:45,200
Speaker 6: that what has become a more toxic achievement culture, combined

1180
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:48,320
Speaker 6: with loneliness and the negative impacts of social media, I

1181
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:51,720
Speaker 6: think are combining to hurt our kids. There's one last

1182
00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:53,240
Speaker 6: factor that we have to keep in mind which is

1183
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:56,160
Speaker 6: hard to ignore, and this is affecting adults too, but

1184
00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 6: it's the negative information environment that we're all surrounded in,

1185
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:02,840
Speaker 6: like we are drowning in negative doom scrolling.

1186
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:05,800
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, I think that term doom scrolling

1187
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:10,120
Speaker 2: is so relevant because you know, more than ever now

1188
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:12,560
Speaker 2: you pick up your phone and you're just getting hit

1189
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 2: with a fire hose of horribleness.

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00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:18,960
Speaker 6: That's right, and it's not I'm not saying that we

1191
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:21,480
Speaker 6: should be blind to the challenges happening around us in

1192
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:23,920
Speaker 6: the world, but I do think that there's a problem

1193
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:27,000
Speaker 6: when it is so out of proportion the news that

1194
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:29,040
Speaker 6: we're getting that it were constantly here and everything that's

1195
00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:31,840
Speaker 6: broken about the world, we're hearing very little about what

1196
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:34,920
Speaker 6: is right about the world because that's not deemed newsworthy

1197
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:38,520
Speaker 6: and it doesn't drive clicks, and so if you see

1198
00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:40,480
Speaker 6: that all the time, then you come to believe that

1199
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:43,280
Speaker 6: that's real, right, that everything is truly broken, that there

1200
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:46,320
Speaker 6: is no hope in the future. It is very difficult

1201
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:49,600
Speaker 6: to be happy and fulfilled and content if the future

1202
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:52,320
Speaker 6: is not bright, if you don't think that there's hope

1203
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:54,440
Speaker 6: that things are going to continue to be good, that

1204
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:56,000
Speaker 6: they can get better, that they're going to be great

1205
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:58,400
Speaker 6: for your kids. And so you put all of this

1206
00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:01,560
Speaker 6: stuff together, the negative and information environment, with social media,

1207
01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:04,320
Speaker 6: with loneliness, with this toxic achievement culture, and you have

1208
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:07,080
Speaker 6: a recipe for the youth mental health crisis that we're

1209
01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:07,640
Speaker 6: seeing today.

1210
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:10,960
Speaker 2: What do you recommend parents who are listening to say

1211
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:13,040
Speaker 2: to their children, Because I've bet a lot of these

1212
01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:17,840
Speaker 2: parents who tragically lost their children to suicide would have

1213
01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:19,680
Speaker 2: thought that it came out of the blue for them.

1214
01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:23,680
Speaker 2: Some some of course, recognize that their children were suffering

1215
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:27,360
Speaker 2: and depressed, but I'm sure many had no idea. What

1216
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:29,680
Speaker 2: do you what do you recommend a parent listening to

1217
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:33,760
Speaker 2: this do with their with their teenager or their adolescent child,

1218
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:37,840
Speaker 2: with the conversation. They should have to reach out to them.

1219
01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:40,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, so this is this, I think is one of

1220
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:43,000
Speaker 6: the scariest things for parents. And that is why I

1221
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:45,280
Speaker 6: resonate with what you were saying Donald as well about

1222
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:48,440
Speaker 6: it being scary, because to think that your kid might

1223
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:50,680
Speaker 6: be suffering in silence and you don't know about it,

1224
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:54,360
Speaker 6: and to worry that it may lead to a terrible

1225
01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 6: outcome like them harming themselves. I mean, that is every

1226
01:00:57,480 --> 01:01:01,080
Speaker 6: parent's worst nightmare, right and so and I feel that too.

1227
01:01:01,120 --> 01:01:02,880
Speaker 6: You know, my kids are five and seven. But you know,

1228
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:07,200
Speaker 6: I'll tell you guys like my daughter who's five, when

1229
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:09,960
Speaker 6: she was in preschool just a few months ago last spring,

1230
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:13,120
Speaker 6: she came home one day and asked my wife and

1231
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:15,880
Speaker 6: I if we could post a picture that we had

1232
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:18,440
Speaker 6: taken of her on a social media platform. And she

1233
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:21,080
Speaker 6: actually named the platform. And we're like, whoa, whoa, whoa.

1234
01:01:21,120 --> 01:01:23,360
Speaker 6: You're in preschool, where did this come from. It's not

1235
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:26,520
Speaker 6: a platform that we even use like ourselves, and we

1236
01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:29,080
Speaker 6: don't talk about it at home, but her friends in

1237
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:31,919
Speaker 6: pre school we're talking about posting stuff on social media.

1238
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:35,080
Speaker 6: So this is this is a nightmare to manage for parents.

1239
01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:38,200
Speaker 6: Here's what I would say to them. Though, one thing

1240
01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:43,080
Speaker 6: that remains true is that as parents, our love for

1241
01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:47,200
Speaker 6: our children is the most powerful protective force that we

1242
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:49,720
Speaker 6: have to give them. It's important our kids know that

1243
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:52,320
Speaker 6: we love them, that we love them unconditionally. We may

1244
01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:54,840
Speaker 6: tell them, they may say nothing, They may like wave

1245
01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:56,560
Speaker 6: us off. They may say, ah, you know, you don't

1246
01:01:56,600 --> 01:02:00,160
Speaker 6: need to say that you're being sappy. Doesn't matter. Say

1247
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:02,000
Speaker 6: it to your kids. Express it to your kids in

1248
01:02:02,040 --> 01:02:05,600
Speaker 6: the moments of darkness and crisis, when they're wondering who

1249
01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:08,320
Speaker 6: in the world actually values them and cares about them.

1250
01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:11,600
Speaker 6: You want them to remember that their parents do. So

1251
01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:13,600
Speaker 6: that's one thing we can remind our kids of. The

1252
01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:16,240
Speaker 6: second thing we can do as parents is to I

1253
01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:19,680
Speaker 6: start conversations with our children about their mental health. Sometimes

1254
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:22,120
Speaker 6: parents worry, Hey, if I bring it up, maybe it'll

1255
01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:24,240
Speaker 6: plant the idea in their head. If I use the

1256
01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:27,120
Speaker 6: word depression, maybe it'll lead them to become depressed. If

1257
01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:29,480
Speaker 6: I talk about suicide, maybe it'll put that idea in there.

1258
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:32,360
Speaker 6: The studies actually very clearly show that that is not

1259
01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:35,439
Speaker 6: the case. More so, what happens is when you raise

1260
01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:37,920
Speaker 6: these issues and just to ask your child as they

1261
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:40,000
Speaker 6: are struggled with these Do they know what these are?

1262
01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:42,280
Speaker 6: Do they know what to do? If they do start

1263
01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:45,280
Speaker 6: to feel like they're depressed or anxious? That actually opens

1264
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:47,680
Speaker 6: things up for your child to recognize that, hey, I

1265
01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:49,440
Speaker 6: don't have to be embarrassed about this. I can talk

1266
01:02:49,480 --> 01:02:51,720
Speaker 6: to my parents about this. Other people deal with this.

1267
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:53,880
Speaker 6: I don't have to be ashamed. So that's a really

1268
01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:56,800
Speaker 6: important conversation to start as a parent. And the last

1269
01:02:56,800 --> 01:02:58,720
Speaker 6: thing I would suggest to parents, and there's a lot

1270
01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:00,960
Speaker 6: more we could talk about, the last thing I'd suggest

1271
01:03:01,080 --> 01:03:05,720
Speaker 6: is that while I would certainly underscore some of the

1272
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:08,680
Speaker 6: points we talked about earlier in terms of creating tech

1273
01:03:08,680 --> 01:03:12,120
Speaker 6: free zones in your child's life, creating boundaries around social media,

1274
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:14,800
Speaker 6: delaying the use as long as possible, I also think

1275
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:19,240
Speaker 6: it's important to fill our child's lives with positive sources

1276
01:03:19,240 --> 01:03:21,960
Speaker 6: of influence and positive experiences. Right. We want them to

1277
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:25,000
Speaker 6: experience fulfilling relationships. One of the ways they do that

1278
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:28,520
Speaker 6: is by actually seeing us enjoy our friendships as parents.

1279
01:03:28,520 --> 01:03:31,080
Speaker 6: Our kids so often pay attention not to what we say,

1280
01:03:31,080 --> 01:03:33,200
Speaker 6: but to what we do right, and when they see

1281
01:03:33,240 --> 01:03:37,160
Speaker 6: their parents investing in relationships, having family over taking time

1282
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:39,600
Speaker 6: to be with friends, reaching out to friends who might

1283
01:03:39,640 --> 01:03:41,440
Speaker 6: be struggling, because that's what we should do, show up

1284
01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:44,560
Speaker 6: for one another. That sends an important message to the child.

1285
01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:48,400
Speaker 6: Creating opportunities for kids to also spend time in person

1286
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:50,760
Speaker 6: with other kids is also vital.

1287
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:51,360
Speaker 2: With my own kids.

1288
01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:53,080
Speaker 6: I'll tell you right now, we are putting as much

1289
01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:56,400
Speaker 6: effort as we can into setting up play dates for

1290
01:03:56,480 --> 01:03:59,320
Speaker 6: them with other kids so that they can have unstructured playtime.

1291
01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:03,160
Speaker 6: So many kids, their lives are so overscheduled right there's

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01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:05,960
Speaker 6: like no time to even get together because there are

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Speaker 6: at soccer practices, music rehearsals, concerts, games, that everything. And

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01:04:09,720 --> 01:04:12,040
Speaker 6: there's nothing wrong with some of those activities, but we

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01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:15,880
Speaker 6: need those opportunities for our kids to enjoy unstructured play

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Speaker 6: with other kids where they can be creative, they can

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Speaker 6: interact with each other without again technology, with just being themselves.

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Speaker 6: So these are a few things that our advice to parents.

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Speaker 6: But just remember as parents, look, you're not the only

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Speaker 6: one struggling. You're not the only one worried about these

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Speaker 6: issues around the mental health of your kids. The more

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01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:35,680
Speaker 6: his parents we can start talking with each other about

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01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:38,720
Speaker 6: the common struggle that we all have and protecting our kids,

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Speaker 6: the more we'll have support as well in our parenting journey.

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Speaker 2: Just to finish on that point, you'd recommend a parent

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Speaker 2: talking to their kid and saying, you know, hey, you know,

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01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:52,680
Speaker 2: I want you to know that you can always come

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Speaker 2: to me kind of thing, right if you're feeling bullied

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01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:58,400
Speaker 2: or you're or loan, so, you know, creating a channel

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Speaker 2: for them to be able to say space for them

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Speaker 2: to be able to come to you, right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I try to tell my kids every day. Yo,

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01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:11,120
Speaker 1: you can tell me anything and everything and it's all good,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It also goes with you know,

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Speaker 1: it also goes with other adults too, you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean. If your teacher says something to you, I'm

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Speaker 1: on your side, so tell me first. If you're in trouble,

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Speaker 1: I'm on your side, so tell me, and then we

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Speaker 1: can combat this together, you know what I mean. Like

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Speaker 1: it's all that just something that we're always trying to

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Speaker 1: tell our children, but secretly we still fear that same shit,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, the same thing.

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Speaker 2: But all you can do is do your best and

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Speaker 2: and and I don't want to speak to this. I

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Speaker 2: want the doctor to speak to it. But some sort

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Speaker 2: of initiating some sort of regular conversation right where where

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Speaker 2: they feel that they're loved and there's and there's always

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Speaker 2: a clear community and love from you to say if

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Speaker 2: something's coming up, if you're depressed, you know people get depressed,

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Speaker 2: come talk to me. If you're being bullied. I've been bullied,

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Speaker 2: come talk to me. Like, butther's just a really safe

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Speaker 2: zone for them to come to you.

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Speaker 6: Right, Yeah, No, that you're both articuling in it perfectly,

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01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:21,080
Speaker 6: that's exactly right. They need to know that they can

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Speaker 6: come to us as parents and that they're not going

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01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:26,400
Speaker 6: to get in trouble by being honest about something that

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Speaker 6: they're dealing with, their crisis that they're in. I'll share

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Speaker 6: one last tip for parents, which is that I think

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Speaker 6: also this is something my parents did for me when

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Speaker 6: I was growing up that I fully didn't appreciate the

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Speaker 6: value of until years later. We know that serving and

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Speaker 6: helping other people is a powerful antidote to loneliness. We

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01:06:46,640 --> 01:06:48,640
Speaker 6: know it's actually really good for our mental health and

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Speaker 6: well being. And one of the things that my parents

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Speaker 6: used to do for me when I was a kid

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01:06:52,640 --> 01:06:55,320
Speaker 6: is one whenever we had a family friend who was

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Speaker 6: in crisis. My parents would always step up to help,

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Speaker 6: right And it didn't mean like you know, it to

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01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:01,920
Speaker 6: be in big ways. It could sometimes just be a

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01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:04,000
Speaker 6: phone call to check on them, see how they're doing.

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Speaker 6: Sometimes it was visiting them to drop off food. Sometimes

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01:07:07,120 --> 01:07:10,000
Speaker 6: it was you know, stopping in to watch their child

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01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:12,320
Speaker 6: and babysit so they could have some time for themselves.

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Speaker 6: But it was in small ways. They sought to help

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01:07:14,320 --> 01:07:17,000
Speaker 6: friends who were in crisis. And then as I got older,

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01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:19,040
Speaker 6: my parents encouraged me to do the same. When they

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01:07:19,040 --> 01:07:21,320
Speaker 6: would hear about a friend of mine who was having

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Speaker 6: a tough time, they'd say, well, what have you done?

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Speaker 6: You can you go and help them out? Like I

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Speaker 6: had a friend when I was in high school in

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Speaker 6: tenth grade.

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Speaker 2: I remember this.

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Speaker 6: There's a group of guys in our class who went

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Speaker 6: out for lunch and they were driving somewhere and something

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Speaker 6: happened when they were driving, they got into a car

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Speaker 6: accident and one of the kids died in that car accident,

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Speaker 6: And the kid sitting next to him was actually a

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Speaker 6: very good friend of mine who I had grown up with.

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Speaker 6: And my parents I still remember they said to me,

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Speaker 6: they said, have you checked on him to see how

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Speaker 6: he's doing. And I was like, oh, you know, I

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01:07:59,040 --> 01:08:00,640
Speaker 6: don't think I really. I was like, you know, just

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01:08:00,680 --> 01:08:02,800
Speaker 6: saw him in classes and that They're like, no, go

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01:08:02,880 --> 01:08:05,440
Speaker 6: to his house, check on him, make sure he's okay.

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Speaker 6: And so I did. My sister and I went over.

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Speaker 6: We ended up spending like half a day with him.

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Speaker 6: We didn't talk about the accident at all. But I'll

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Speaker 6: tell you at the end of that day, when we

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01:08:15,560 --> 01:08:18,200
Speaker 6: were leaving, he just turned to both of us and

1380
01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:21,479
Speaker 6: he said, Hey, I really needed this. Thank you so much.

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01:08:21,520 --> 01:08:23,320
Speaker 6: I've been hurting a lot, but it meant a lot

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01:08:23,400 --> 01:08:26,360
Speaker 6: to have you guys over. And so, as parents, whenever

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01:08:26,439 --> 01:08:30,719
Speaker 6: you have a chance to encourage your children to help

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01:08:31,080 --> 01:08:33,200
Speaker 6: and support and be there for their friends who might

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Speaker 6: be having a hard time, I would encourage that because

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01:08:36,400 --> 01:08:38,519
Speaker 6: sometimes you might think my kids struggling they need help.

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01:08:38,760 --> 01:08:41,240
Speaker 6: Turns out, when we help other people, we ultimately help

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01:08:41,280 --> 01:08:43,880
Speaker 6: and support and sustain ourselves as well.

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Speaker 2: And also I should mention you just made me realize.

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Speaker 2: You know, all of these bully kids that are being horrible,

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01:08:49,720 --> 01:08:54,559
Speaker 2: they have parents, so so make sure that your kid's

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01:08:54,600 --> 01:08:58,320
Speaker 2: not that kid, right, I mean, because I imagine some

1393
01:08:58,400 --> 01:09:01,400
Speaker 2: of these children that are being just utterly awful on

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01:09:01,439 --> 01:09:07,439
Speaker 2: social media need to hear from their parents that that

1395
01:09:07,439 --> 01:09:09,920
Speaker 2: that this could lead to someone's suicide. I mean that

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01:09:10,040 --> 01:09:12,680
Speaker 2: the words have such impact on people.

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Speaker 6: That's right, And a lot of those bullies, I'll be honest,

1398
01:09:16,680 --> 01:09:19,360
Speaker 6: have some deeper issue that they're dealing with themselves that

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01:09:19,479 --> 01:09:22,040
Speaker 6: someone's got to help them with, you know. And you

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01:09:22,080 --> 01:09:25,160
Speaker 6: know that old saying hurt people hurt people. There's a

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01:09:25,160 --> 01:09:28,479
Speaker 6: lot of a lot of truth to that. So look,

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01:09:28,840 --> 01:09:31,400
Speaker 6: the bottom line is we're in this We're in this

1403
01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:34,800
Speaker 6: vicious cycle now where pain has been getting more pain.

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01:09:34,920 --> 01:09:37,240
Speaker 6: There are a lot of people who are hurt that

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01:09:37,240 --> 01:09:41,040
Speaker 6: they're you know, potentially hurting themselves further, or they're down

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01:09:41,040 --> 01:09:43,040
Speaker 6: on themselves, or sometimes in some cases they may be

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01:09:43,040 --> 01:09:45,559
Speaker 6: bullying or hurting other people around them, and that that

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01:09:45,720 --> 01:09:48,880
Speaker 6: just continues to multiply. We need to turn that vicious

1409
01:09:48,880 --> 01:09:50,920
Speaker 6: cycle into a virtuous cycle, which is what we can

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01:09:50,960 --> 01:09:53,280
Speaker 6: do when we actually start helping one another, reaching out

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01:09:53,320 --> 01:09:56,800
Speaker 6: to one another in positive ways, like I'll tell you

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01:09:56,800 --> 01:09:58,760
Speaker 6: that friend of ours, like when I was growing up,

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01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:02,480
Speaker 6: who I was in that terrible accident, Like I suspect

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01:10:02,479 --> 01:10:04,559
Speaker 6: that when we spend time with him, and he felt,

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01:10:04,840 --> 01:10:06,479
Speaker 6: you know, a bit better that day. Maybe he was

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01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:08,600
Speaker 6: nicer to someone else in his life. Maybe he was

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01:10:08,680 --> 01:10:12,479
Speaker 6: kinder to his sisters and his parents. We don't know

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01:10:12,520 --> 01:10:15,559
Speaker 6: the ripples that are created when we reach out to

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01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:18,160
Speaker 6: somebody in a moment of kindness and when we seek

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01:10:18,200 --> 01:10:19,439
Speaker 6: to serve people who are hurting.

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01:10:19,920 --> 01:10:22,400
Speaker 1: I really do like that, though, that's not that's that

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01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:26,480
Speaker 1: isn't a way that I have ever thought about combating

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01:10:26,600 --> 01:10:34,200
Speaker 1: against my own depressions or my own loneliness and to

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01:10:34,320 --> 01:10:39,439
Speaker 1: help someone else out. Absolutely, that is. Oh, that's so

1425
01:10:40,920 --> 01:10:44,560
Speaker 1: because you're you're not only helping them out, you're helping yourself.

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01:10:45,479 --> 01:10:48,040
Speaker 1: That's such a great it's a great instinct.

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01:10:48,120 --> 01:10:50,280
Speaker 2: Like when you're feeling down, when you're feeling I've done

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01:10:50,280 --> 01:10:53,439
Speaker 2: this before at the direction I probably of my therapist,

1429
01:10:53,520 --> 01:10:56,120
Speaker 2: but it worked. Like, and you're down, think of someone

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01:10:56,120 --> 01:10:59,000
Speaker 2: in your life who could use a pep talk or

1431
01:10:59,080 --> 01:11:02,200
Speaker 2: cheering up or checking in with yeah, and then and

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01:11:02,240 --> 01:11:05,000
Speaker 2: then just do it. FaceTime them, call them, hey, I've

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01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:09,000
Speaker 2: been thinking about you and giving them the love you get.

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01:11:08,840 --> 01:11:12,840
Speaker 6: It back in yourself. That says so true. And you know,

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01:11:12,880 --> 01:11:15,960
Speaker 6: the last few weeks I've been I've been traveling to

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01:11:15,960 --> 01:11:19,320
Speaker 6: different colleges actually talking about these the very subjects you

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01:11:19,360 --> 01:11:21,720
Speaker 6: and I are all talking about. But it's a part

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01:11:21,720 --> 01:11:23,400
Speaker 6: of what we call our We Are Made to Connect

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01:11:23,800 --> 01:11:26,640
Speaker 6: College Campus Tour and it's been a fascinating journey. But

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01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:29,120
Speaker 6: you know, college students are suffering with some of the

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01:11:29,160 --> 01:11:31,280
Speaker 6: highest rates of loneliness and they're sort of at the

1442
01:11:31,320 --> 01:11:34,560
Speaker 6: epicenter of the youth mental health crisis. But one of

1443
01:11:34,600 --> 01:11:36,680
Speaker 6: the things that we do with the college students in

1444
01:11:36,680 --> 01:11:40,200
Speaker 6: addition to talking about loneliness, talking about strategies to rebuild connection,

1445
01:11:40,600 --> 01:11:43,760
Speaker 6: is we've actually posed this challenge to them called our

1446
01:11:44,040 --> 01:11:47,759
Speaker 6: five for five Challenge, where we ask them to engage

1447
01:11:47,760 --> 01:11:50,759
Speaker 6: in five acts of connection over the next five days.

1448
01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:54,200
Speaker 6: And this could be either an expression of gratitude, an

1449
01:11:54,200 --> 01:11:57,240
Speaker 6: extension of support to someone who needs help, or could

1450
01:11:57,280 --> 01:12:02,519
Speaker 6: be asking for help themselves. And it's a really powerful challenge.

1451
01:12:02,560 --> 01:12:04,760
Speaker 6: And we actually do the first data challenge with them

1452
01:12:05,200 --> 01:12:07,400
Speaker 6: like in the room, and we asked them all to

1453
01:12:07,520 --> 01:12:11,519
Speaker 6: think about somebody in fact, what if you guys want

1454
01:12:11,560 --> 01:12:11,800
Speaker 6: to do this.

1455
01:12:12,160 --> 01:12:13,800
Speaker 2: It takes it at a seconds. We can do this together.

1456
01:12:13,880 --> 01:12:15,719
Speaker 2: We want to do it, and we want the audience

1457
01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:16,320
Speaker 2: to play along.

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01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:19,760
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, So everyone listening right right now, What I

1459
01:12:19,800 --> 01:12:22,920
Speaker 6: want you to do is it just just sort of

1460
01:12:23,240 --> 01:12:24,760
Speaker 6: close your eyes for a second, and I want you

1461
01:12:24,840 --> 01:12:28,200
Speaker 6: to think about somebody in your life that you're grateful for.

1462
01:12:29,120 --> 01:12:32,080
Speaker 6: To be somebody who helped you out a few days

1463
01:12:32,080 --> 01:12:35,680
Speaker 6: ago when you were having a rough day. To be

1464
01:12:35,720 --> 01:12:37,439
Speaker 6: somebody who showed up in your life a few years

1465
01:12:37,479 --> 01:12:40,479
Speaker 6: ago when you had a major disappointment where things didn't

1466
01:12:40,479 --> 01:12:42,800
Speaker 6: go quite your way and they helped to remind you

1467
01:12:44,160 --> 01:12:45,880
Speaker 6: that things were going to be okay and that they

1468
01:12:45,880 --> 01:12:50,880
Speaker 6: had your back. However big or small the action, Think

1469
01:12:50,920 --> 01:12:54,639
Speaker 6: about who that person is, Think about what they did

1470
01:12:54,680 --> 01:13:00,559
Speaker 6: for you, think about how it felt. And I want

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01:13:00,600 --> 01:13:04,360
Speaker 6: you to actually to just if you're listening out here

1472
01:13:04,400 --> 01:13:06,800
Speaker 6: and you've got a phone, I want you to pull

1473
01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:09,920
Speaker 6: out your phone and I want you to compose a

1474
01:13:10,040 --> 01:13:12,720
Speaker 6: text or an email to them right now. The key

1475
01:13:12,800 --> 01:13:15,120
Speaker 6: is to do it in the moment so you don't

1476
01:13:15,439 --> 01:13:18,200
Speaker 6: put it off, and just to take sixty seconds to

1477
01:13:18,240 --> 01:13:21,000
Speaker 6: do this. But write them just a short note. It

1478
01:13:21,000 --> 01:13:23,000
Speaker 6: could be one line, could be two lines, just telling

1479
01:13:23,040 --> 01:13:25,760
Speaker 6: them that you were thinking about them, You remember this

1480
01:13:26,040 --> 01:13:29,080
Speaker 6: beautiful thing they did for you, and how grateful you

1481
01:13:29,120 --> 01:13:32,639
Speaker 6: are to them. So I'll just give you a few

1482
01:13:32,680 --> 01:13:34,960
Speaker 6: seconds to do I'm doing it right now as you speak.

1483
01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:37,040
Speaker 6: I live This is the first time I've live texted

1484
01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:37,679
Speaker 6: on the podcast.

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01:13:39,360 --> 01:13:42,640
Speaker 2: Awesome. Everyone pull over if you're driving, Please don't do

1486
01:13:42,680 --> 01:13:44,719
Speaker 2: this while you're driving. Yes, I'm sure the Surgeon General

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01:13:44,720 --> 01:13:47,880
Speaker 2: would not approve of that. A good call, Zach. I

1488
01:13:47,920 --> 01:13:51,920
Speaker 2: appreciate that to take another And this is something that

1489
01:13:52,080 --> 01:13:54,840
Speaker 2: is so easy that people can do. You know, it

1490
01:13:54,920 --> 01:14:01,080
Speaker 2: takes two seconds to say to someone who's going through something, Hey,

1491
01:14:01,120 --> 01:14:06,040
Speaker 2: you're on my mind. Hey sending in love. Hey, I'm

1492
01:14:06,040 --> 01:14:07,840
Speaker 2: going to be in your neighborhood. Should I stop by?

1493
01:14:08,600 --> 01:14:12,559
Speaker 2: We all have someone in our lives that could use

1494
01:14:12,600 --> 01:14:17,599
Speaker 2: some love, and and and and we shouldn't be stingy

1495
01:14:17,640 --> 01:14:21,559
Speaker 2: with our love. That is so true because our love

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01:14:21,640 --> 01:14:25,920
Speaker 2: is a renewable resource. Yeah's infinitus, right, it's infinite. Uh.

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01:14:25,960 --> 01:14:28,240
Speaker 6: And the more we give, actually, the more I realize

1498
01:14:28,280 --> 01:14:30,920
Speaker 6: we have to give. But like, look, just even what

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01:14:30,960 --> 01:14:33,240
Speaker 6: we did now right the way, when you did yours?

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Speaker 2: Did you who did you text? Was it Obama or Biden?

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01:14:35,360 --> 01:14:38,920
Speaker 1: Which one?

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01:14:36,160 --> 01:14:42,360
Speaker 2: On? The person? The person that I thought of actually

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01:14:42,600 --> 01:14:44,679
Speaker 2: rockets me. If a fake I just wanted to say,

1504
01:14:45,280 --> 01:14:47,879
Speaker 2: thinking of you, thinking of you, sending you love.

1505
01:14:48,120 --> 01:14:50,120
Speaker 1: Gave me that job as a general.

1506
01:14:50,240 --> 01:14:51,120
Speaker 2: I still have the suit.

1507
01:14:51,240 --> 01:14:52,680
Speaker 1: I still love me, I appreciate you.

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01:14:52,800 --> 01:14:54,960
Speaker 2: I still have the suit. And I got to meet

1509
01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:57,160
Speaker 2: a fake doctors. I got to be a fake doctors.

1510
01:14:57,200 --> 01:14:58,160
Speaker 2: Real Friends.

1511
01:15:00,760 --> 01:15:03,600
Speaker 1: Is your favorite podcast right now?

1512
01:15:05,560 --> 01:15:08,000
Speaker 6: That's so funny to the person that actually thought it

1513
01:15:08,080 --> 01:15:11,160
Speaker 6: was my was my mother, because I was just on

1514
01:15:11,200 --> 01:15:14,720
Speaker 6: a flight coming back and I just texted my my

1515
01:15:14,800 --> 01:15:16,880
Speaker 6: parents and my sister. I was like, hey, I'll be

1516
01:15:16,920 --> 01:15:18,800
Speaker 6: back in DC soon. I'm just getting on a flight.

1517
01:15:19,120 --> 01:15:20,600
Speaker 6: And my mom like called me right away. I was

1518
01:15:20,600 --> 01:15:23,080
Speaker 6: like sitting in my seat, you know, and she called

1519
01:15:23,080 --> 01:15:25,320
Speaker 6: me and I was like, hey, everything okay. She was like, yeah,

1520
01:15:25,360 --> 01:15:26,840
Speaker 6: I just saw that you would leaveing. I just wanted

1521
01:15:26,840 --> 01:15:29,240
Speaker 6: to make sure that you're okay. See if you had eaten?

1522
01:15:29,640 --> 01:15:31,799
Speaker 6: Are you going to be able to sleep on the plane?

1523
01:15:31,840 --> 01:15:33,679
Speaker 6: And it was very endearing. This these are the same

1524
01:15:33,680 --> 01:15:35,920
Speaker 6: conversations my mom would have with me, like years ago,

1525
01:15:36,040 --> 01:15:38,920
Speaker 6: you know, when I was when I was traveling. But

1526
01:15:38,920 --> 01:15:42,080
Speaker 6: but the just being reminded that it doesn't matter how

1527
01:15:42,120 --> 01:15:44,160
Speaker 6: old I get, you know, whatever I'm do, my job

1528
01:15:44,240 --> 01:15:46,639
Speaker 6: is whatever. My mom's love is constant, It's always there

1529
01:15:46,680 --> 01:15:49,280
Speaker 6: for me. Like that just made me just feel so

1530
01:15:49,320 --> 01:15:51,240
Speaker 6: good and so grateful, and so she was the one

1531
01:15:51,280 --> 01:15:54,200
Speaker 6: I was thinking about. But I think, look, I think

1532
01:15:54,240 --> 01:15:57,800
Speaker 6: that this in these kind of small actions that can

1533
01:15:57,920 --> 01:16:00,720
Speaker 6: send powerful ripples out. You know, when we do this

1534
01:16:00,840 --> 01:16:05,000
Speaker 6: exercise in college campus is we actually have the students

1535
01:16:05,680 --> 01:16:08,160
Speaker 6: turn the flashlight on their phone after they send their

1536
01:16:08,200 --> 01:16:11,040
Speaker 6: email or their text, and then hold it up toward

1537
01:16:11,080 --> 01:16:12,960
Speaker 6: the ceiling and we dim the lights, and then we

1538
01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:16,160
Speaker 6: have them look around and what they see are hundreds

1539
01:16:16,320 --> 01:16:20,439
Speaker 6: of points of lights shining out like into the air,

1540
01:16:20,840 --> 01:16:22,960
Speaker 6: and those each of those are rays of hope. Right,

1541
01:16:23,320 --> 01:16:25,800
Speaker 6: somebody's going to receive one of those messages and feel

1542
01:16:25,800 --> 01:16:29,280
Speaker 6: better about themselves. They're going to be reminded that they're

1543
01:16:29,280 --> 01:16:31,680
Speaker 6: not alone, that somebody actually is thinking about them, that

1544
01:16:31,680 --> 01:16:34,120
Speaker 6: they remember them. Maybe they're having a really down day,

1545
01:16:34,120 --> 01:16:36,040
Speaker 6: and they'll think, oh, you know, maybe I do have

1546
01:16:36,080 --> 01:16:37,960
Speaker 6: something of value to give to the world. This person

1547
01:16:38,040 --> 01:16:40,840
Speaker 6: just remembered something I did for them. You know, those

1548
01:16:40,920 --> 01:16:44,439
Speaker 6: rays of light are incredibly powerful. And the reason I'll

1549
01:16:44,439 --> 01:16:47,240
Speaker 6: ask you say that these are so important is because

1550
01:16:47,240 --> 01:16:49,160
Speaker 6: we've been talking about a lot of stuff today that

1551
01:16:49,280 --> 01:16:55,000
Speaker 6: require policy solutions, programmatic solutions. But I think this deeper

1552
01:16:55,040 --> 01:16:58,120
Speaker 6: despair that we're seeing in our country, I think is

1553
01:16:58,200 --> 01:17:01,479
Speaker 6: part of a deeper underlying moral crisis that we're in,

1554
01:17:01,840 --> 01:17:04,679
Speaker 6: where in some ways I feel like we have lost

1555
01:17:04,800 --> 01:17:08,640
Speaker 6: sight of what we need to do and who we

1556
01:17:08,720 --> 01:17:11,280
Speaker 6: need to be to enable all of us to thrive.

1557
01:17:11,600 --> 01:17:13,720
Speaker 6: Like people say to me all the time, if they

1558
01:17:13,840 --> 01:17:15,760
Speaker 6: you know, it feels like it's become more important to

1559
01:17:15,840 --> 01:17:19,000
Speaker 6: be right than to be kind, more important to be

1560
01:17:19,120 --> 01:17:22,080
Speaker 6: powerful than to be compassionate, and more important to look

1561
01:17:22,080 --> 01:17:24,759
Speaker 6: out for myself than to look out for other people.

1562
01:17:24,880 --> 01:17:27,599
Speaker 6: But I actually think, deep down inside, like all of us,

1563
01:17:27,640 --> 01:17:31,280
Speaker 6: I think in our hearts, we want our kids to

1564
01:17:31,320 --> 01:17:33,120
Speaker 6: grow up in a world where people are actually nice

1565
01:17:33,160 --> 01:17:35,880
Speaker 6: to each other. We want people to be able to

1566
01:17:35,920 --> 01:17:38,000
Speaker 6: look out for one another. We want somebody to be

1567
01:17:38,080 --> 01:17:39,760
Speaker 6: able to lift us up when we fall down, and

1568
01:17:39,760 --> 01:17:41,599
Speaker 6: we want to be able to do that for other people.

1569
01:17:42,520 --> 01:17:45,719
Speaker 6: But I think right now we have drifted away from

1570
01:17:45,760 --> 01:17:47,559
Speaker 6: some of those core values, and I think it's this

1571
01:17:47,640 --> 01:17:50,840
Speaker 6: is our time to re anchor ourselves in those core

1572
01:17:50,920 --> 01:17:53,040
Speaker 6: values and to ask ourselves what do we want to

1573
01:17:53,120 --> 01:17:57,160
Speaker 6: fundamentally guide and shape the world that we're going to

1574
01:17:57,160 --> 01:17:59,600
Speaker 6: live in, that our kids are growing up in. And

1575
01:17:59,640 --> 01:18:02,080
Speaker 6: how do we proactively take those values and not just

1576
01:18:02,120 --> 01:18:03,760
Speaker 6: have them these things that sit in our heads or

1577
01:18:03,800 --> 01:18:07,120
Speaker 6: on paper, but say, how do I apply the values

1578
01:18:07,160 --> 01:18:10,880
Speaker 6: of kindness and generosity, of service and of friendship to

1579
01:18:10,960 --> 01:18:13,320
Speaker 6: the interactions I have in my day to day life,

1580
01:18:13,720 --> 01:18:16,400
Speaker 6: To the decisions I make about what issues I speak

1581
01:18:16,479 --> 01:18:18,680
Speaker 6: up for, to the decisions I make about who I

1582
01:18:18,760 --> 01:18:21,240
Speaker 6: choose to be my leaders, you know, in organizations or

1583
01:18:21,240 --> 01:18:24,160
Speaker 6: in government? Like, how do I apply these values to

1584
01:18:24,240 --> 01:18:27,040
Speaker 6: my life and to our life? And how do we

1585
01:18:27,080 --> 01:18:29,880
Speaker 6: talk more openly about them? Because this is I think

1586
01:18:29,920 --> 01:18:32,840
Speaker 6: one of the great prices that we paid in the

1587
01:18:32,920 --> 01:18:35,160
Speaker 6: last few years, is I think something that we all want,

1588
01:18:35,640 --> 01:18:37,760
Speaker 6: a certain set of core values we all hold. Dear,

1589
01:18:38,280 --> 01:18:41,920
Speaker 6: I've just disintegrated and have faded into the background, and

1590
01:18:41,960 --> 01:18:47,240
Speaker 6: we feels like we're fundamentally angry and self centered and

1591
01:18:47,800 --> 01:18:50,320
Speaker 6: mean spirited. But I don't think that's our true identity.

1592
01:18:50,640 --> 01:18:53,920
Speaker 6: And in our hearts we are optimistic, we are courageous,

1593
01:18:54,240 --> 01:18:57,320
Speaker 6: we are kind, and this is our opportunity to reclaim

1594
01:18:57,400 --> 01:18:59,160
Speaker 6: and rebuild that identity.

1595
01:19:00,160 --> 01:19:04,360
Speaker 1: That note well, we will end the podcast that's a

1596
01:19:04,400 --> 01:19:04,920
Speaker 1: mic drop.

1597
01:19:05,400 --> 01:19:07,759
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for joining us and for sharing

1598
01:19:08,720 --> 01:19:11,360
Speaker 2: what you do with our audience. And it's an honor

1599
01:19:11,479 --> 01:19:13,559
Speaker 2: to have had you and we really appreciate it. Thank

1600
01:19:13,600 --> 01:19:14,920
Speaker 2: you for all the good you're doing in the world.

1601
01:19:16,160 --> 01:19:18,400
Speaker 6: Thank you both. And I so enjoyed this. And I

1602
01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:20,880
Speaker 6: will say, having spent a lot of time when I

1603
01:19:20,920 --> 01:19:24,599
Speaker 6: was in residency training watching both of you on screen

1604
01:19:25,320 --> 01:19:28,360
Speaker 6: in scrubs, it's a joy, certainly to meet you guys.

1605
01:19:28,400 --> 01:19:30,960
Speaker 6: But I'll say, just in a real personal note, you

1606
01:19:31,000 --> 01:19:33,160
Speaker 6: brought a lot of joy and laughter to many of

1607
01:19:33,240 --> 01:19:36,000
Speaker 6: us who are going through medical training in those years.

1608
01:19:36,360 --> 01:19:39,760
Speaker 6: I wouldn't underestimate how important that was. We needed to laugh,

1609
01:19:39,800 --> 01:19:41,240
Speaker 6: We needed to be able to see the light side

1610
01:19:41,240 --> 01:19:45,280
Speaker 6: of life after going through incredibly painful, difficult days, dealing

1611
01:19:45,280 --> 01:19:46,479
Speaker 6: with life and death every day.

1612
01:19:46,840 --> 01:19:48,800
Speaker 2: So thank you for everything. Was there one of us

1613
01:19:48,840 --> 01:19:50,600
Speaker 2: who you thought was funnier than the other when you

1614
01:19:50,600 --> 01:19:51,160
Speaker 2: were meeting.

1615
01:19:51,880 --> 01:19:53,880
Speaker 1: He related with me. We're both brown bro.

1616
01:19:57,040 --> 01:20:00,400
Speaker 2: Okay, sorry, of course, all right, thank you Thank you

1617
01:20:00,400 --> 01:20:03,080
Speaker 2: forake so much. Thanks so much, guys, great to be

1618
01:20:03,160 --> 01:20:03,680
Speaker 2: with you.

1619
01:20:03,720 --> 01:20:06,840
Speaker 1: Appreciate your appreciate you. Let's take a break.

1620
01:20:06,960 --> 01:20:17,000
Speaker 2: We'll be right back after these fine words. That was

1621
01:20:17,080 --> 01:20:17,919
Speaker 2: so awesome.

1622
01:20:18,360 --> 01:20:22,320
Speaker 1: That was awesome, man, Holy col but fake came with it.

1623
01:20:23,160 --> 01:20:27,479
Speaker 2: He's such a wonderful speaker on these on these topics,

1624
01:20:27,520 --> 01:20:30,479
Speaker 2: and he's in such a position to make a huge difference.

1625
01:20:31,240 --> 01:20:33,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's actually like going around speaking at a bunch

1626
01:20:33,560 --> 01:20:37,080
Speaker 3: of colleges right now about the loneliness epidemic. So I

1627
01:20:37,120 --> 01:20:38,639
Speaker 3: know we have a lot of college kids who listen

1628
01:20:38,720 --> 01:20:41,000
Speaker 3: to us. If Veke is coming to your school, go

1629
01:20:41,160 --> 01:20:41,720
Speaker 3: check them out.

1630
01:20:41,920 --> 01:20:44,240
Speaker 1: Like that shit is real man, like we are all.

1631
01:20:44,360 --> 01:20:48,680
Speaker 1: We all experience it in some way. He's going to

1632
01:20:48,760 --> 01:20:51,040
Speaker 1: give you tools. I hope we've given you tools in

1633
01:20:51,080 --> 01:20:54,000
Speaker 1: this podcast. Just you listening right now, We've given you

1634
01:20:54,200 --> 01:20:58,200
Speaker 1: tools to fight loneliness. And you know, I'm going to

1635
01:20:58,320 --> 01:21:00,360
Speaker 1: use some of the tools that were given this actually

1636
01:21:00,439 --> 01:21:04,480
Speaker 1: the reaching out to people when I feel when I feel.

1637
01:21:04,280 --> 01:21:06,679
Speaker 2: You could reach out to me more because you don't ever.

1638
01:21:07,200 --> 01:21:10,080
Speaker 1: Well you I've reached out to my wife first and

1639
01:21:10,360 --> 01:21:11,240
Speaker 1: next will be you.

1640
01:21:12,320 --> 01:21:14,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean, you know we're not in the

1641
01:21:14,439 --> 01:21:17,360
Speaker 2: same city. You could occasionally be like I could write

1642
01:21:17,360 --> 01:21:18,120
Speaker 2: the text for you.

1643
01:21:17,920 --> 01:21:21,080
Speaker 1: I shit you a meme. You could write the text

1644
01:21:21,120 --> 01:21:21,439
Speaker 1: for me.

1645
01:21:21,960 --> 01:21:25,080
Speaker 2: If I if I if I send you some texts,

1646
01:21:25,200 --> 01:21:28,920
Speaker 2: will you just copy and paste on Yeah, hey man,

1647
01:21:29,240 --> 01:21:31,479
Speaker 2: hey man, just checking in. I know you're in New

1648
01:21:31,560 --> 01:21:33,120
Speaker 2: York City. Just want to say I love you and

1649
01:21:33,120 --> 01:21:35,840
Speaker 2: you're on my mind. Okay, hit me up if you

1650
01:21:35,840 --> 01:21:39,560
Speaker 2: want to chat, I'll write that. I'll just text you

1651
01:21:39,600 --> 01:21:42,800
Speaker 2: and then you can just context. Yeah, and then like

1652
01:21:42,800 --> 01:21:49,040
Speaker 2: once a week, just copy and paste because you never

1653
01:21:49,120 --> 01:21:51,559
Speaker 2: reach out. All you send me fucking memes. That's your

1654
01:21:51,560 --> 01:21:52,320
Speaker 2: love language.

1655
01:21:52,600 --> 01:21:54,679
Speaker 1: That is my love language, because I know you'll appreciate.

1656
01:21:54,800 --> 01:21:55,800
Speaker 1: You appreciate I knowing.

1657
01:21:56,000 --> 01:21:58,599
Speaker 2: I so know when Donald's up baked in his house

1658
01:21:58,680 --> 01:21:59,840
Speaker 2: because all of a sudden, I'll get like a.

1659
01:22:00,040 --> 01:22:03,160
Speaker 1: Ro so stupid funny as hell.

1660
01:22:03,479 --> 01:22:06,160
Speaker 2: No, of course it's funny. I'm just like I can

1661
01:22:06,200 --> 01:22:09,040
Speaker 2: tell by the level of how stonery the meme is, Like,

1662
01:22:09,080 --> 01:22:10,639
Speaker 2: what's going on at your house over there?

1663
01:22:10,840 --> 01:22:13,760
Speaker 1: Motherfucker? I sent that one. The Jimmy Fallon shit with

1664
01:22:13,800 --> 01:22:16,679
Speaker 1: them singing we are the Champion and they put Usher

1665
01:22:16,760 --> 01:22:19,800
Speaker 1: in the corner and Usher thinks he's in the middle

1666
01:22:19,840 --> 01:22:23,120
Speaker 1: square like so you know, Jimmy Fallon does the Brady

1667
01:22:23,120 --> 01:22:26,920
Speaker 1: Bunch thing and they all sing on his show. Okay,

1668
01:22:26,920 --> 01:22:28,640
Speaker 1: so Jimmy Fallon does a thing where it's like the

1669
01:22:28,680 --> 01:22:32,840
Speaker 1: Brady Bunch and they sing different songs, right, So they

1670
01:22:33,000 --> 01:22:35,080
Speaker 1: he had one and they're all singing we are to

1671
01:22:35,160 --> 01:22:39,000
Speaker 1: Champion the Queens song we are the champ right, and

1672
01:22:39,200 --> 01:22:43,920
Speaker 1: it's a bunch of freaking like a list musicians singing.

1673
01:22:45,560 --> 01:22:49,760
Speaker 1: Somebody told Usher he was in the center square, but

1674
01:22:49,840 --> 01:22:52,599
Speaker 1: he was really in the corner. So this motherfucker's looking

1675
01:22:52,640 --> 01:22:58,240
Speaker 1: around everything around him, down to the left, to the right,

1676
01:22:58,360 --> 01:23:01,519
Speaker 1: and up, and really he has only somebody up into

1677
01:23:01,560 --> 01:23:06,880
Speaker 1: the left of his ass. I said, do that shit.

1678
01:23:06,960 --> 01:23:08,880
Speaker 1: I was so fucking baked when I said you that shit,

1679
01:23:08,920 --> 01:23:11,320
Speaker 1: cause I laughed so too. It took me a second

1680
01:23:11,360 --> 01:23:13,519
Speaker 1: to realize, wait a second, what am I looking at here?

1681
01:23:13,880 --> 01:23:15,960
Speaker 1: What is it? And then I read the caption and

1682
01:23:16,000 --> 01:23:18,639
Speaker 1: the capture said somebody to Usher he was in listener square.

1683
01:23:18,680 --> 01:23:21,000
Speaker 2: Listen, you don't ever check in, You don't ever check in.

1684
01:23:21,080 --> 01:23:22,640
Speaker 2: I'm going to send you the text I want to

1685
01:23:22,640 --> 01:23:23,840
Speaker 2: receive once in a while from you.

1686
01:23:24,200 --> 01:23:26,320
Speaker 1: I send you freaking gold.

1687
01:23:26,800 --> 01:23:29,519
Speaker 2: That was a great episode, and audience, if you're feeling

1688
01:23:29,520 --> 01:23:32,000
Speaker 2: that was a little bit of a melancholic one, Have

1689
01:23:32,080 --> 01:23:37,000
Speaker 2: I got news for you? Next week, Living Legend. It's

1690
01:23:37,040 --> 01:23:41,640
Speaker 2: the guest we've wanted for a long ass time. Alicia Silverstone.

1691
01:23:43,000 --> 01:23:47,120
Speaker 1: You know, I just recently watched Clueless really with your kids.

1692
01:23:47,520 --> 01:23:49,720
Speaker 1: I walked into the living room and my wife and

1693
01:23:49,800 --> 01:23:51,040
Speaker 1: daughter were watching Clueless.

1694
01:23:51,680 --> 01:23:52,280
Speaker 2: That's funny.

1695
01:23:52,920 --> 01:23:57,920
Speaker 1: It was not funny. I started crying. No, it's still one.

1696
01:23:58,000 --> 01:24:01,479
Speaker 1: It still holds up by far, it still holds up

1697
01:24:01,520 --> 01:24:02,800
Speaker 1: like it's.

1698
01:24:02,680 --> 01:24:04,000
Speaker 2: You're crying from nostalgia.

1699
01:24:04,720 --> 01:24:04,800
Speaker 4: No.

1700
01:24:04,920 --> 01:24:10,479
Speaker 1: Britney came on on shone. Yeah, and that shit wrecked

1701
01:24:10,520 --> 01:24:13,360
Speaker 1: me and I couldn't. At first, I didn't know why.

1702
01:24:13,439 --> 01:24:16,400
Speaker 1: And it was like, oh my god, her glow and

1703
01:24:16,479 --> 01:24:22,599
Speaker 1: her her uh spirit, Oh my gosh. And we wound

1704
01:24:22,720 --> 01:24:24,679
Speaker 1: up doing a couple of movies together. But I started crying.

1705
01:24:24,680 --> 01:24:27,439
Speaker 1: I couldn't and I didn't understand why. And that was why.

1706
01:24:27,560 --> 01:24:31,160
Speaker 1: One because I was in a classic. Two because she

1707
01:24:31,439 --> 01:24:34,320
Speaker 1: was I got to experience it with her, and I

1708
01:24:34,360 --> 01:24:35,519
Speaker 1: thought she was really special.

1709
01:24:35,760 --> 01:24:36,960
Speaker 2: Did Wilder like the movie?

1710
01:24:37,880 --> 01:24:39,599
Speaker 1: I don't think she gets it, you know what I'm saying.

1711
01:24:39,760 --> 01:24:40,800
Speaker 2: It's above her head still.

1712
01:24:41,080 --> 01:24:41,320
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1713
01:24:41,640 --> 01:24:41,760
Speaker 2: Uh.

1714
01:24:42,880 --> 01:24:45,160
Speaker 1: When the movie came out, it was above Casey. You know,

1715
01:24:45,439 --> 01:24:47,880
Speaker 1: Casey was still young. You know what I'm saying. And

1716
01:24:47,960 --> 01:24:49,760
Speaker 1: so like a lot of the jokes from the movie

1717
01:24:49,800 --> 01:24:52,000
Speaker 1: went over her head. So she watches it now she's like,

1718
01:24:52,040 --> 01:24:53,120
Speaker 1: I didn't get that back then.

1719
01:24:53,960 --> 01:24:58,160
Speaker 2: Well, I'm so happy we having Alicia on because she's

1720
01:24:58,520 --> 01:25:01,439
Speaker 2: just really funny and and uh, that has a lot

1721
01:25:01,439 --> 01:25:03,640
Speaker 2: of fun, interesting stories to tell, and it's something we

1722
01:25:03,640 --> 01:25:05,880
Speaker 2: wanted to coordinate for a while and we finally did it.

1723
01:25:05,920 --> 01:25:07,000
Speaker 2: So I'm stoked about it.

1724
01:25:07,160 --> 01:25:09,840
Speaker 1: What's crazy is that I'm not the one that got

1725
01:25:09,840 --> 01:25:10,439
Speaker 1: her on the show.

1726
01:25:12,040 --> 01:25:15,360
Speaker 2: Of course. You know what happened was she reached out

1727
01:25:15,400 --> 01:25:19,120
Speaker 2: to me because when we talked about her that time,

1728
01:25:19,840 --> 01:25:22,800
Speaker 2: someone must have told her, and she left me a

1729
01:25:22,880 --> 01:25:25,439
Speaker 2: voice note saying I heard you guys were talking about

1730
01:25:25,479 --> 01:25:27,640
Speaker 2: me on your podcast, and I just you. I just

1731
01:25:27,640 --> 01:25:29,120
Speaker 2: went right into it. I was like, yeah, we were,

1732
01:25:29,160 --> 01:25:32,040
Speaker 2: Will you please come on. Obviously Donald has a connection

1733
01:25:32,080 --> 01:25:34,200
Speaker 2: to you because of the movie, and I have a

1734
01:25:34,240 --> 01:25:36,800
Speaker 2: connection to you because my crush. But also you were

1735
01:25:36,800 --> 01:25:39,880
Speaker 2: in my movie, and so she said, yes.

1736
01:25:40,120 --> 01:25:41,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I could see why you had a crush on her.

1737
01:25:42,040 --> 01:25:45,519
Speaker 2: Holy cow, I think a lot of straight Man and

1738
01:25:45,640 --> 01:25:46,320
Speaker 2: I watched.

1739
01:25:46,800 --> 01:25:52,559
Speaker 1: I watched I think I just think persons in general.

1740
01:25:52,840 --> 01:25:55,320
Speaker 1: I watched that movie and I was like, holy.

1741
01:25:56,640 --> 01:25:59,639
Speaker 2: That was But I also I just love I love

1742
01:25:59,720 --> 01:26:03,320
Speaker 2: fun any silly women and that characters was so funny

1743
01:26:03,320 --> 01:26:03,799
Speaker 2: and silly.

1744
01:26:04,520 --> 01:26:07,920
Speaker 1: And uh, she's gonna be on the podcast and we're

1745
01:26:07,920 --> 01:26:08,400
Speaker 1: gonna talk.

1746
01:26:08,280 --> 01:26:08,920
Speaker 2: About There we go.

1747
01:26:09,240 --> 01:26:12,360
Speaker 1: We're talking about fire O Smith. We're gonna talk about

1748
01:26:12,439 --> 01:26:15,160
Speaker 1: freaking I'm gonna have to rewatch the video. I'm gonna

1749
01:26:15,160 --> 01:26:17,120
Speaker 1: have to watch the videos too. Let's go down. You

1750
01:26:17,160 --> 01:26:19,320
Speaker 1: know what we should do. We should do a rewatch.

1751
01:26:19,600 --> 01:26:21,720
Speaker 1: Hopefully the strike will be over by then, but we

1752
01:26:21,760 --> 01:26:24,400
Speaker 1: should rewatch some of her greatest hits.

1753
01:26:24,600 --> 01:26:26,920
Speaker 2: We're allowed to talk about Aerosmith videos.

1754
01:26:27,360 --> 01:26:29,920
Speaker 1: Okay, we'll talk about that. I want to talk about that.

1755
01:26:30,120 --> 01:26:31,840
Speaker 2: I don't think. I don't think. I don't think Fran

1756
01:26:31,960 --> 01:26:34,639
Speaker 2: Dresher controls, uh the Aerosmith videos.

1757
01:26:34,680 --> 01:26:37,720
Speaker 1: I don't know. Motherfuckers was not dressing up for Halloween. Bro,

1758
01:26:38,400 --> 01:26:41,559
Speaker 1: motherfuckers was not dressing up for.

1759
01:26:42,360 --> 01:26:45,519
Speaker 2: I don't think anyone listened to that stupid rule. Although

1760
01:26:45,560 --> 01:26:46,280
Speaker 2: I'm surprised.

1761
01:26:46,280 --> 01:26:49,840
Speaker 1: I don't know, Bro, I don't know my guy. A

1762
01:26:49,840 --> 01:26:51,479
Speaker 1: lot of people you.

1763
01:26:51,800 --> 01:26:54,760
Speaker 2: Guy, my guy, are you my guys?

1764
01:26:54,479 --> 01:26:59,599
Speaker 3: It's mixed, it's mixed, I think, most notably Megan Fox

1765
01:27:00,160 --> 01:27:02,200
Speaker 3: dressed as a character from a movie. And then she

1766
01:27:02,400 --> 01:27:03,360
Speaker 3: added sag and.

1767
01:27:06,680 --> 01:27:10,120
Speaker 2: That was a weird She's like me, I guess she's

1768
01:27:10,280 --> 01:27:11,120
Speaker 2: poking the bear.

1769
01:27:11,400 --> 01:27:15,160
Speaker 1: She's come at me something about it because I said

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01:27:15,160 --> 01:27:15,519
Speaker 1: my guy.

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01:27:16,000 --> 01:27:17,920
Speaker 2: I just wondered, because I haven't seen a well are you.

1772
01:27:17,960 --> 01:27:19,639
Speaker 2: Are you the kind of guy who says my guy?

1773
01:27:19,760 --> 01:27:22,479
Speaker 1: Now? No, I just use it to be funny, okay,

1774
01:27:22,479 --> 01:27:22,800
Speaker 1: because I.

1775
01:27:22,800 --> 01:27:24,320
Speaker 2: Just need to adjust if you're going to be on

1776
01:27:24,360 --> 01:27:25,120
Speaker 2: my guy, say.

1777
01:27:25,000 --> 01:27:28,519
Speaker 1: I'm not going to be. Every time I hear that

1778
01:27:28,520 --> 01:27:30,960
Speaker 1: ship that shit makes me laugh. Like certain people can

1779
01:27:31,040 --> 01:27:32,839
Speaker 1: get away with like, oh my gosh.

1780
01:27:32,920 --> 01:27:34,640
Speaker 2: Certain people can kind of get away with it. But

1781
01:27:34,680 --> 01:27:36,200
Speaker 2: I don't really like it. I don't think you should

1782
01:27:36,240 --> 01:27:36,960
Speaker 2: be on my guy, sayer.

1783
01:27:37,360 --> 01:27:39,880
Speaker 1: Who can get away with saying my guy other than me?

1784
01:27:40,040 --> 01:27:40,360
Speaker 1: Just now.

1785
01:27:41,040 --> 01:27:43,000
Speaker 2: I think there's a certain type of funny person that

1786
01:27:43,080 --> 01:27:44,840
Speaker 2: can get away with being like, come on my guy.

1787
01:27:45,400 --> 01:27:46,400
Speaker 1: I don't want to work that way.

1788
01:27:46,640 --> 01:27:53,479
Speaker 2: I don't want to Daniel guy weird, not much. I mean,

1789
01:27:53,479 --> 01:27:56,360
Speaker 2: maybe Daniel might be my guy. Say, I think Daniel

1790
01:27:56,439 --> 01:27:57,280
Speaker 2: is my guy. Honestly.

1791
01:27:57,360 --> 01:27:59,320
Speaker 8: I do it when I'm doing like a New York impression.

1792
01:27:59,320 --> 01:28:00,639
Speaker 2: If I'm talking to my friend or something.

1793
01:28:00,680 --> 01:28:02,080
Speaker 1: I'll be like, my guy, what are you doing?

1794
01:28:02,760 --> 01:28:04,639
Speaker 2: Oh that's not how I hear my guy these days.

1795
01:28:05,360 --> 01:28:11,080
Speaker 1: My guy, my guy, the very Irish guy. Migay, magay.

1796
01:28:11,360 --> 01:28:15,719
Speaker 2: Okay, what you're doing here, doll?

1797
01:28:16,160 --> 01:28:20,200
Speaker 1: What are you doing here? My guy? What are you doing?

1798
01:28:20,240 --> 01:28:25,639
Speaker 1: My gooy? What does everybody use that? That? Whatever anybody said,

1799
01:28:25,680 --> 01:28:28,639
Speaker 1: we're gonna go Irish with it. Everybody goes, what are

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01:28:28,640 --> 01:28:29,599
Speaker 1: you doing here?

1801
01:28:32,520 --> 01:28:35,280
Speaker 2: That's in the name of the father, right, that's the

1802
01:28:35,320 --> 01:28:38,280
Speaker 2: one that comes to me. What are you doing here?

1803
01:28:38,439 --> 01:28:38,639
Speaker 1: Doll?

1804
01:28:43,840 --> 01:28:45,720
Speaker 2: All right, we're gonna take a break. When we come back,

1805
01:28:45,760 --> 01:28:47,960
Speaker 2: we're gonna talk. We're gonna do a T Mobile segment.

1806
01:28:47,960 --> 01:28:48,439
Speaker 1: We read back.

1807
01:28:55,640 --> 01:28:58,120
Speaker 2: This segment of Fake Doctor's Real Friends is brought to

1808
01:28:58,160 --> 01:29:00,840
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1809
01:29:00,880 --> 01:29:04,280
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1810
01:29:04,439 --> 01:29:08,200
Speaker 2: mobile dot com slash zach to check availability. All right,

1811
01:29:08,320 --> 01:29:08,680
Speaker 2: got you?

1812
01:29:08,720 --> 01:29:11,280
Speaker 3: Well, so you have a letter here from Charlie Young.

1813
01:29:11,439 --> 01:29:13,559
Speaker 3: Charlie Wright says, Hi, my name is Charlie and I'm

1814
01:29:13,600 --> 01:29:16,640
Speaker 3: eighteen from the landdown Under, hoping I could be the

1815
01:29:16,680 --> 01:29:19,120
Speaker 3: youngest guest on the show, which I.

1816
01:29:19,000 --> 01:29:20,519
Speaker 1: Think you might be on the running. Uh.

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01:29:20,840 --> 01:29:23,120
Speaker 3: Just wanted to thank Zach, Donald, Daniel and Joel for

1818
01:29:23,200 --> 01:29:25,320
Speaker 3: keeping my spirits high. I'm going through a really tough

1819
01:29:25,360 --> 01:29:28,360
Speaker 3: breakup and a depression period and just started doing new job,

1820
01:29:28,439 --> 01:29:30,320
Speaker 3: and without your podcast, I would be in a world

1821
01:29:30,400 --> 01:29:33,120
Speaker 3: of constant confusion, pain and grief. I used to watch

1822
01:29:33,200 --> 01:29:35,200
Speaker 3: Grubs with my ex. However, this podcast brings a whole

1823
01:29:35,200 --> 01:29:37,400
Speaker 3: new set of memories I can create associated to the

1824
01:29:37,439 --> 01:29:39,519
Speaker 3: incredible show. This has led me to be able to

1825
01:29:39,720 --> 01:29:42,360
Speaker 3: eat again, sleep again, and have something to look forward

1826
01:29:42,360 --> 01:29:45,000
Speaker 3: to each day. From Donald screaming to Zach's jokes and

1827
01:29:45,000 --> 01:29:45,840
Speaker 3: perspectives on love.

1828
01:29:45,840 --> 01:29:47,200
Speaker 2: In persone, Donald.

1829
01:29:47,000 --> 01:29:50,839
Speaker 1: Screaming, I'm not even the funny guy on the podcast.

1830
01:29:50,880 --> 01:29:53,519
Speaker 1: I'm just a loud guy. It sounds like, no, you're funny,

1831
01:29:53,520 --> 01:29:55,400
Speaker 1: You're just also to scream.

1832
01:29:55,640 --> 01:29:58,080
Speaker 2: Well, I think every listener at some point has had

1833
01:29:58,080 --> 01:30:00,800
Speaker 2: to adjust their volume because of you. Go ahead, Joel.

1834
01:30:01,280 --> 01:30:01,679
Speaker 1: Okay.

1835
01:30:02,000 --> 01:30:05,080
Speaker 3: Charlie also appreciates Daniel's calling voice and my infectious laugh.

1836
01:30:05,160 --> 01:30:07,320
Speaker 3: So thank you for everything you guys do and for

1837
01:30:07,360 --> 01:30:09,880
Speaker 3: allowing me to get back on track. His question comes

1838
01:30:09,880 --> 01:30:12,640
Speaker 3: from season four, episode one. You guys might remember this

1839
01:30:12,680 --> 01:30:15,560
Speaker 3: as the faith Dancing episode. This is where j D

1840
01:30:15,720 --> 01:30:17,680
Speaker 3: is outside the hospital trying to get pumped up for

1841
01:30:17,760 --> 01:30:20,599
Speaker 3: his day, and he listens to Faith by George Michael

1842
01:30:20,680 --> 01:30:23,719
Speaker 3: and does the famous Gene dance right.

1843
01:30:24,800 --> 01:30:27,839
Speaker 2: Jeans on if I could?

1844
01:30:30,520 --> 01:30:33,599
Speaker 3: He says, the question is uh, scrubs basing current days?

1845
01:30:33,760 --> 01:30:37,439
Speaker 3: What would j D and or Turk listen to before

1846
01:30:37,520 --> 01:30:39,840
Speaker 3: they went into the hospital? And then he asked them suggestions?

1847
01:30:39,840 --> 01:30:41,439
Speaker 3: But I'm going to leave those, Charlie, so we can hear.

1848
01:30:41,600 --> 01:30:43,880
Speaker 2: I think Donald and I would both answer the same name.

1849
01:30:43,960 --> 01:30:49,120
Speaker 2: Ready Donald? Three one two three?

1850
01:30:49,640 --> 01:30:50,639
Speaker 3: A lot just happened.

1851
01:30:50,720 --> 01:30:57,960
Speaker 1: Who I heard? Yeah, he said, you're walking into the house,

1852
01:30:57,960 --> 01:31:00,960
Speaker 1: will be into the hospital. Be do do do do

1853
01:31:00,960 --> 01:31:05,280
Speaker 1: Do Do Do Do Do do doo about me?

1854
01:31:07,320 --> 01:31:08,200
Speaker 3: Three that's the song.

1855
01:31:08,760 --> 01:31:10,880
Speaker 2: No, that's not what I would choose twenty twenty three.

1856
01:31:11,120 --> 01:31:13,679
Speaker 1: Look, shit is tim Donald?

1857
01:31:14,160 --> 01:31:17,400
Speaker 2: Donald admitted to me that he's now on the Oliver Dorigo.

1858
01:31:18,000 --> 01:31:22,280
Speaker 1: Yes, welcome, listen. I like Olivia. She's good, but I'm gonna.

1859
01:31:22,080 --> 01:31:25,040
Speaker 2: Be all American bitch. We'd be walking into all American bitch.

1860
01:31:25,479 --> 01:31:28,559
Speaker 1: Good choice. Solid. I've been walking into first person shoot

1861
01:31:28,600 --> 01:31:31,280
Speaker 1: a mode because the super Bowl?

1862
01:31:32,080 --> 01:31:34,479
Speaker 2: Because the who's that? A little uzy?

1863
01:31:34,840 --> 01:31:38,880
Speaker 1: No? J Cole and Drake Baby. I'm likely feeling J

1864
01:31:39,000 --> 01:31:43,320
Speaker 1: Cole right now. Listen, I think right now, if you're

1865
01:31:43,400 --> 01:31:47,720
Speaker 1: asking me, go ahead, the three best rappers ahead, in

1866
01:31:47,840 --> 01:31:49,200
Speaker 1: no particular order.

1867
01:31:49,640 --> 01:31:51,840
Speaker 2: This won't be controversial at all at all.

1868
01:31:52,240 --> 01:31:56,400
Speaker 1: I think everybody's gonna agree J Cole. If you can't

1869
01:31:56,439 --> 01:31:58,160
Speaker 1: say J Cole, I don't know what you do. I

1870
01:31:58,160 --> 01:31:58,720
Speaker 1: don't know what you.

1871
01:31:58,720 --> 01:32:06,000
Speaker 2: Jay Cole, Kendrick Lamar. Obviously it's pretty great, and you

1872
01:32:06,040 --> 01:32:06,360
Speaker 2: gotta go.

1873
01:32:06,479 --> 01:32:06,719
Speaker 1: Drake.

1874
01:32:07,640 --> 01:32:09,640
Speaker 3: I think the era of women rappers that is a

1875
01:32:09,720 --> 01:32:11,080
Speaker 3: wild thing to say that the.

1876
01:32:11,120 --> 01:32:18,639
Speaker 1: Current era of women rappers, there's really Dojah.

1877
01:32:18,520 --> 01:32:20,400
Speaker 3: For Megan, this greed.

1878
01:32:20,520 --> 01:32:22,640
Speaker 1: Meghan is dope. Meghan is dope, but she don't be

1879
01:32:22,680 --> 01:32:27,760
Speaker 1: spitting like Dojah spitting Megan Megan's albums. Listen to I

1880
01:32:27,800 --> 01:32:30,839
Speaker 1: Love Megan, I love Meg THEA Stallion, I love the Stallion,

1881
01:32:31,360 --> 01:32:34,360
Speaker 1: I love listen to me I love Megae Stallion and

1882
01:32:34,400 --> 01:32:36,160
Speaker 1: I don't. And I'm not even talking about the way

1883
01:32:36,200 --> 01:32:38,479
Speaker 1: she looks. I'm talking about how she rapped. She got

1884
01:32:38,520 --> 01:32:40,640
Speaker 1: old school, she got a very old school flow, and

1885
01:32:40,680 --> 01:32:44,280
Speaker 1: she's very very witty with her ship. Right now, if

1886
01:32:44,320 --> 01:32:46,120
Speaker 1: you really want to ask me who the best rapper

1887
01:32:46,240 --> 01:32:48,880
Speaker 1: is female, it gotta be Dojah b Joelle.

1888
01:32:48,920 --> 01:32:51,479
Speaker 2: What's your answer the best female rapper currently?

1889
01:32:54,400 --> 01:32:57,759
Speaker 1: I there's so many.

1890
01:32:57,880 --> 01:33:00,320
Speaker 3: I mean I really like Megan, like she's really well,

1891
01:33:00,400 --> 01:33:09,120
Speaker 3: you know. I think Doja is extremely talented, like Reco Nasty.

1892
01:33:05,960 --> 01:33:14,760
Speaker 2: I was gonna say your tongue so Nasty was on

1893
01:33:14,800 --> 01:33:19,439
Speaker 2: my tip of my tongue, I know. And for male

1894
01:33:19,720 --> 01:33:21,680
Speaker 2: lil UZI I don't even know who that is. I

1895
01:33:21,840 --> 01:33:25,479
Speaker 2: just heard the name. Do you like little Zy? Isn't

1896
01:33:25,479 --> 01:33:26,000
Speaker 2: that a rapper?

1897
01:33:26,080 --> 01:33:26,240
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1898
01:33:26,479 --> 01:33:32,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, lot? But Daniel, who's your favorite male and female

1899
01:33:32,080 --> 01:33:32,759
Speaker 2: rappers currently?

1900
01:33:32,840 --> 01:33:36,360
Speaker 8: You're in DJ Goodness? I mean, Rico Nasty is really

1901
01:33:36,400 --> 01:33:39,680
Speaker 8: high up there. I love her a lot. I think

1902
01:33:39,760 --> 01:33:41,599
Speaker 8: Kendrick is really up there. I'm a big West Side

1903
01:33:41,640 --> 01:33:42,519
Speaker 8: Gun fan personally.

1904
01:33:42,600 --> 01:33:45,200
Speaker 1: I think is it a little floozyvert like little Evil?

1905
01:33:45,560 --> 01:33:48,320
Speaker 1: Isn't he trying to say little Evil? Is that who's

1906
01:33:48,320 --> 01:33:49,760
Speaker 1: the one with the cross on his head and all

1907
01:33:49,800 --> 01:33:53,719
Speaker 1: that ship? That little boozy birt No, that's twenty one savage, No,

1908
01:33:53,800 --> 01:33:57,840
Speaker 1: not twenty he's the diamond. Yeah he has a diamond.

1909
01:33:57,920 --> 01:34:02,240
Speaker 1: Isn't he trying to say little Evil? Some ship like that?

1910
01:34:02,240 --> 01:34:04,519
Speaker 1: That sounds like conspiracy.

1911
01:34:04,520 --> 01:34:06,880
Speaker 2: What about the guy six by nine who was in jail.

1912
01:34:07,479 --> 01:34:10,880
Speaker 1: He's six by nine.

1913
01:34:12,920 --> 01:34:16,080
Speaker 8: I get to measure like, I think he could be

1914
01:34:16,160 --> 01:34:17,600
Speaker 8: left out of the conversation.

1915
01:34:17,240 --> 01:34:19,360
Speaker 1: Because motherfucker gonna run up on you, Zach.

1916
01:34:19,560 --> 01:34:22,120
Speaker 2: No, I didn't say anything negative. I'm asking you guy's opinion.

1917
01:34:22,200 --> 01:34:23,600
Speaker 2: I don't want to do. You could say all the

1918
01:34:23,640 --> 01:34:26,040
Speaker 2: negative things about him. Frankly, I don't want to run

1919
01:34:26,840 --> 01:34:29,000
Speaker 2: six by nine. His name is Daniel not He's not

1920
01:34:29,040 --> 01:34:29,880
Speaker 2: going to run up on me.

1921
01:34:30,040 --> 01:34:30,479
Speaker 1: That's fine.

1922
01:34:30,479 --> 01:34:30,920
Speaker 2: He is somebody.

1923
01:34:30,960 --> 01:34:33,280
Speaker 8: Bodyguards are under to protect him from everybody else who

1924
01:34:33,280 --> 01:34:35,760
Speaker 8: wants to run up on Yeah, so I'm not worried

1925
01:34:35,760 --> 01:34:36,160
Speaker 8: about it.

1926
01:34:36,400 --> 01:34:39,320
Speaker 1: Hip hop is in a state of no Like. One

1927
01:34:39,400 --> 01:34:41,519
Speaker 1: of the best lines is in first person shoot a

1928
01:34:41,640 --> 01:34:45,280
Speaker 1: mode and he says, what happened to all the bars?

1929
01:34:45,320 --> 01:34:48,479
Speaker 1: It seems like everybody's on a jail, somebody's everybody's in

1930
01:34:48,520 --> 01:34:50,840
Speaker 1: a jail escape some shit like that. But it's real

1931
01:34:50,920 --> 01:34:54,240
Speaker 1: talking because nobody be spitting at all, no more, they

1932
01:34:54,320 --> 01:34:55,000
Speaker 1: just be talking.

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Speaker 2: I am. I wanted to go back to our letter writer, Yes,

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Speaker 2: I wanted a letter writer mentioned that he was going

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Speaker 2: through a breakup, and I want him to know that

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Speaker 2: this too shall pass, that he will no feeling is forever,

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Speaker 2: and as much as he's feeling like shit right now,

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Speaker 2: he will come out the other side and rise like

1939
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Speaker 2: a phoenix as a better man. But anyway, things will

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Speaker 2: always get better, I promise you. And I saw this

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Speaker 2: meme on Instagram and I sent it to my nephew

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Speaker 2: because he's, you know, out there in the dating world.

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Speaker 2: And I do think it's the best. And I sent

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Speaker 2: it to Amanda too, and she said, Charity posted it

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Speaker 2: on your stories. But this is it, says the best

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Speaker 2: piece of dating advice I've ever received is this. If

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Speaker 2: they like you, you'll know. If they don't, you'll be confused. Honestly,

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Speaker 2: it's all you need to know.

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Speaker 1: Like that's real talk.

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Speaker 2: I think.

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Speaker 1: If I'm confused, us, I know you don't.

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Speaker 2: Like me, right Listen, everyone's struggling with how to figure

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Speaker 2: it out. Why didn't he text back? Why did you

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Speaker 2: the dots? Why did he goes on? If they like you,

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Speaker 2: you'll know if you're confused, they don't, Mike Drop truly, Mmmm,

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Speaker 2: I don't have my sound effects machine, so I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: add one. Just I'm gonna do one, and just you know, improvise. Mm,

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Speaker 2: maybe you could give us one.

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Speaker 1: Maybe you could give them forever. Maybe you can T

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Speaker 1: Mobile forever.

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Speaker 2: Mmm mmm this this, this end of this podcast feels

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Speaker 2: like when you're on with a crush and like you

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Speaker 2: don't want to hang out. You know, you hang up

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Speaker 2: for you first, I don't want to stop talking to you.

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Speaker 2: Do you want to watch a show together? Why don't

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Speaker 2: we both start? When don't we both start a show

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Speaker 2: at the same time?

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Speaker 1: And then on three go go hit play when Harry

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Speaker 1: met Sally.

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Speaker 2: Thanks to Mobile. If you're over exploding internet bills, visit

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Speaker 1: For you.

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Speaker 2: I was gonna say he's gonna rise girthier. Okay, hear

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Speaker 2: the sirens.

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Speaker 1: I mean when you say girthier, what are you referring to.

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Speaker 2: His shaft and balls? Well, no, she's Luis and that's

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Speaker 2: our show. Everybody. Thank you for tuning in.

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Speaker 1: You guys, this was such a good show. I miss

1981
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Speaker 1: you so much. What has it been two weeks since

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Speaker 1: we've seen each other?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been a minute. Alicia's Silverstone next week and

1984
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Speaker 2: and Donald, I'll send you the text that I want

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Speaker 2: you to occasionally just copy and paste to me.

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Speaker 1: I will copy it and paste it to you right

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Speaker 1: away after you send it to me. I just want

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Speaker 1: you to know that and AUTII to thank you right now.

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Speaker 2: I do. I miss you, and I could use a

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Speaker 2: little text from you.

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Speaker 1: Okay, how's New York?

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Speaker 2: It's beautiful. So it's that I wanted to have that

1993
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Speaker 2: fall vibes moment, and it's so that beautiful. There's this

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Speaker 2: every for those of you know Lower Manhattan. Every gift

1995
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Speaker 2: season November December, they have this gift market in Union

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Speaker 2: Square Park and you kind of just kind of a

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Speaker 2: moment in the season, you know when you walk by

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Speaker 2: and you see them starting to put it up, that

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Speaker 2: oh here comes Christmas. It's like hearing the Mariah Carey song.

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Speaker 2: So today I walked by and they started building the

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Speaker 2: giant gift market and I was like, here we go.

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Speaker 1: Does Macon still do to windows?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, but that's up in Harold Square.

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about are you going to add them to

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Speaker 1: Harold Square.

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Speaker 2: I don't usually go check out the Macy's windows. That's

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Speaker 2: not usually a thing I do. But I'll do it

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Speaker 2: if you want me to.

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Speaker 8: More of a Bergdorf Goodman kind of guy.

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Speaker 1: Listen. There's so many Macy's in California. I remember when

2011
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Speaker 1: there was just one Macy's and it was on thirty

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Speaker 1: fourth Street, and I used to I don't.

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Speaker 2: Think you were alive when there was only one. My guy,

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Speaker 2: my guy, God, Oh my god, he's my guy.

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Speaker 6: Guy.

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Speaker 2: You are a my guy, guy, I'm my guy. When

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Speaker 2: you do you say my dude as well? Do you

2018
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Speaker 2: say my say my dude, my dude, Daniel, or say

2019
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Speaker 2: my dude? Do you yeah, I said my dude.

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Speaker 1: Oh my guy. Listen, listen to me, dude.

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Speaker 2: I just think my dude and my guy are so

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Speaker 2: lame in twenty twenty three, or my guy.

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Speaker 1: Listen to me. When I was a kid, macy And

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Speaker 1: on thirty fourth Street was the only Macy's in New

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Speaker 1: York City.

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Speaker 2: There's no way that's true.

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Speaker 1: Yeah it is.

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Speaker 2: There's another, maybe on the island of Manhattan. But in

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Speaker 2: the other five boroughs, I'm sure there's probably another maze.

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Speaker 1: There was no Macy's in Brooklyn, there was no Macy's

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Speaker 1: in Queens. There was no Macy's. You had to go

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Speaker 1: to thirty Fourth Street. That was it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I don't know that there's other Macy's now.

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Speaker 1: There is there everywhere, and you go to the mall,

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Speaker 1: it's oh.

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Speaker 2: You're like a little store. Yeah, but not like a

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Speaker 2: full Macy's.

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Speaker 1: Not like the Macy's in New York. I watched Star

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Speaker 1: Wars in the Macy's in New York at Christmas. Why

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Speaker 1: Why Because it was on the television back in the

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Speaker 1: day nineteen eight five or some ship like that. They

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Speaker 1: fucking had the VHS and they put Star Wars at

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Speaker 1: the kids department while all the parents went and shopped.

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Speaker 2: And watched it from with all the other kids. I

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Speaker 2: picture you like the kid in the Christmas Story, except

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Speaker 2: instead of going down that slide with with Sanna, you

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Speaker 2: were just there watching Star Wars.

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Speaker 1: I bought my dad to macy so we could watch

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Speaker 1: Star Wars together. Really yeah, because he had seen the

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Speaker 1: Empire strikes back and return it to Jennibody a nye

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Speaker 1: of the tape because it wasn't out yet, it didn't exist.

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Speaker 2: Oh got it.

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Speaker 1: Also, we were broke. I had no VHS back in

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Speaker 1: the day.

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Speaker 5: All right, guys, stories we made about a bunch of

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Speaker 5: tops and nurses.

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Speaker 1: The stories.

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Speaker 4: Around here, other round you here hops, but we watch

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Speaker 4: Alwiz and

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Speaker 2: H