WEBVTT - A New Terror - Part Two [2] 0:00:00.880 --> 0:00:05.120 Welcome to Monster DC Sniper, a production of iHeartRadio and 0:00:05.160 --> 0:00:08.720 Tenderfoot TV. The views and opinions expressed in this podcast 0:00:08.760 --> 0:00:12.240 are solely those of the podcast author or individuals participating 0:00:12.240 --> 0:00:15.160 in the podcast, and do not represent those of iHeartMedia, 0:00:15.360 --> 0:00:19.720 Tenderfoot TV, or their employees. Listener discretion is advised. 0:00:20.720 --> 0:00:25.000 A deadly rampage victims slain randomly, all within a one 0:00:25.040 --> 0:00:29.520 mile radius, all within fifteen hours. The first shooting at 0:00:29.560 --> 0:00:32.160 six oh four last night, a fifty five year old 0:00:32.200 --> 0:00:35.720 Caucasian mail killed in the parking lot of a grocery store. 0:00:36.159 --> 0:00:39.200 Then early this morning, at seven forty one, a Hispanic 0:00:39.240 --> 0:00:42.640 man mowing his lawn shot dead. Half an hour later, 0:00:42.720 --> 0:00:46.360 a forty year old cab driver gunned down while pumping gas. 0:00:46.760 --> 0:00:50.320 Then another thirty minutes later, a Hispanic woman shot fatally 0:00:50.600 --> 0:00:51.200 in the head. 0:00:52.400 --> 0:00:55.160 It was a wrong eight in the morning. 0:00:55.720 --> 0:01:00.240 Aparked my car and I was laid for work, so 0:01:00.280 --> 0:01:01.240 I was running. 0:01:02.400 --> 0:01:05.039 My name is Susye Cooper. 0:01:05.880 --> 0:01:09.400 I was very lucky because at eight o'clock in the morning, 0:01:09.640 --> 0:01:14.039 I was the only car in that area, so they 0:01:14.040 --> 0:01:18.279 could easily have gotten me. I got inside the beauty 0:01:18.400 --> 0:01:21.280 shop and I went to have a cup of coffee, 0:01:21.720 --> 0:01:26.280 and all of a sudden I heard shot. I was 0:01:26.360 --> 0:01:29.200 really shaky. I opened the back. 0:01:29.040 --> 0:01:32.480 Door, thinking it was coming from there. No. 0:01:32.760 --> 0:01:35.800 But then night I went back up front of the 0:01:35.920 --> 0:01:41.440 shop and I saw this woman sitting on a bench. 0:01:42.560 --> 0:01:45.680 She was dead. It was so hard to believe what 0:01:45.720 --> 0:01:49.640 I was saying. You would think you're at a movie scene. 0:01:49.880 --> 0:01:51.400 You know, it was a mess. 0:01:51.840 --> 0:01:55.480 The bench was in front of a restaurant, so the 0:01:55.600 --> 0:01:59.440 bullet went through the window of the restaurant. 0:02:00.720 --> 0:02:02.600 That poor woman didn't see it coming. 0:02:04.360 --> 0:02:07.520 There is a ruthless person on the loose. What U 0:02:07.640 --> 0:02:10.880 nerves this community the most is the randomness of the murders. 0:02:11.120 --> 0:02:13.440 Ordinary people doing ordinary things. 0:02:13.639 --> 0:02:16.040 All that the victims appeared to have had in common, 0:02:16.240 --> 0:02:18.360 each was shot to death by a single bullet. 0:02:18.600 --> 0:02:21.280 Be careful, these guys are using weapons that are going 0:02:21.360 --> 0:02:23.560 to go right straight through our bullet proof vests. 0:02:23.800 --> 0:02:26.760 The massive man on continues, but police admit they don't 0:02:26.840 --> 0:02:29.240 know who are, what they're dealing with, or what their 0:02:29.320 --> 0:02:30.080 motive might be. 0:02:30.560 --> 0:02:31.760 The White Bag. 0:02:33.600 --> 0:02:38.600 From iHeartRadio and Tenderfoot TV. This is Monster DC sniper 0:02:43.720 --> 0:02:46.160 Thirty four year old Sierah Ramos was sitting on a 0:02:46.160 --> 0:02:49.200 bench in front of a Peruvian restaurant when the sniper 0:02:49.280 --> 0:02:52.560 shot and killed her. This was now the second day 0:02:52.600 --> 0:02:57.000 of attacks. Earlier that morning, Sunny Buchanan and prim Kumar 0:02:57.040 --> 0:03:00.880 Wallacher had both been shot and killed, making the third 0:03:00.960 --> 0:03:04.480 victim of the day. All of these shootings were horrifying 0:03:04.600 --> 0:03:09.120 and tragic, but for some reason, this shooting in particular 0:03:09.240 --> 0:03:12.239 always stuck with me, And when I visited the side 0:03:12.240 --> 0:03:14.400 of the murder, it unsettled me. 0:03:18.840 --> 0:03:25.119 Oh boy, this feels a little this feels a little 0:03:25.160 --> 0:03:25.600 loft putty. 0:03:29.639 --> 0:03:33.160 We're sitting in the parking lot and this is where 0:03:33.200 --> 0:03:36.240 Sarah Ramos was killed. Sarah was thirty four years old. 0:03:36.280 --> 0:03:38.120 She had just gotten off a bus and she was 0:03:38.160 --> 0:03:44.480 sitting on a bench, you know, next to a post office, 0:03:43.520 --> 0:03:47.600 and she was reading a book and she was shot. 0:03:47.680 --> 0:03:50.600 She was just I mean, the randomness of it. And 0:03:50.600 --> 0:03:54.160 that's what really gets you about all of these killings. 0:03:55.000 --> 0:03:57.600 You know, you're essentially a sitting duck. You have no 0:03:57.720 --> 0:03:58.760 way to defend yourself. 0:03:58.800 --> 0:03:59.440 No one did. 0:04:01.680 --> 0:04:04.920 A woman sitting on a bench reading a book. How 0:04:05.080 --> 0:04:10.760 friggin cowardly is that. It's just the idea that she's 0:04:10.880 --> 0:04:13.880 just plucked off man And just like that's no regard 0:04:13.960 --> 0:04:18.239 for human life at all. That's just that's literally target 0:04:18.279 --> 0:04:21.960 practice and they just drive away. That just sort of 0:04:22.000 --> 0:04:25.960 brings home for me the depravity of all of it. 0:04:27.360 --> 0:04:30.039 The victim was laying on a bench with a sheet 0:04:30.080 --> 0:04:34.360 over her. That was horrible, really. That's the first one 0:04:34.440 --> 0:04:37.720 that I went to. My name is John Desulis. I 0:04:37.800 --> 0:04:41.400 was a crime analyst for Montgovernent Keny Police. They called 0:04:41.440 --> 0:04:46.840 me to interview a witness who only spoke Spanish, Juan 0:04:46.839 --> 0:04:48.279 Carlos I think his name is. 0:04:48.880 --> 0:04:51.920 When police first arrived at the crime scene, they found 0:04:52.000 --> 0:04:53.640 one Carlos Vieta nearby. 0:04:53.960 --> 0:04:56.240 They don't know if he's a suspect, if he's a witness. 0:04:56.520 --> 0:05:00.359 He's probably around twenty two, I think, typical landscape looking 0:05:00.400 --> 0:05:04.599 guy where you know the landscape or uniform. So I 0:05:04.640 --> 0:05:08.440 took him aside and started asking him questions. He was 0:05:08.520 --> 0:05:11.960 pretty clear that he didn't see where the shots came from. 0:05:12.400 --> 0:05:16.159 There's a there's an access route that runs parallel to 0:05:16.320 --> 0:05:19.800 the parking lot. He was walking down that road and 0:05:19.880 --> 0:05:23.039 had actually passed the front of the store where she 0:05:23.160 --> 0:05:25.800 was sitting on the bench, and more or less as 0:05:25.800 --> 0:05:28.560 soon as he got past the like the corner where 0:05:28.600 --> 0:05:32.400 he could see her. He heard the shot. Within a 0:05:32.400 --> 0:05:36.159 few seconds, he saw a white box truck leave passed 0:05:36.240 --> 0:05:39.640 right by her and then drove west up to Georgia Avenue. 0:05:40.600 --> 0:05:42.400 It would have had to have been a drive by shooting. 0:05:42.440 --> 0:05:45.320 Almost It was like five seconds or something after he 0:05:45.320 --> 0:05:48.880 heard the shots, the van left the scene. He was 0:05:48.920 --> 0:05:51.599 the only one that was really close, and he was 0:05:51.640 --> 0:05:54.920 the only one that saw any kind of vehicle, And 0:05:54.960 --> 0:05:58.320 he described the box truck very well, you know, to 0:05:58.360 --> 0:06:00.840 the point where it had like damaged the rear bumper. 0:06:01.720 --> 0:06:05.120 Vita described a white box truck, a delivery truck with 0:06:05.160 --> 0:06:09.080 a cab and separate cargo. Area police immediately started pulling 0:06:09.080 --> 0:06:12.800 over white box trucks and similar vehicles, but finding that 0:06:12.839 --> 0:06:15.679 one truck in the middle of DC's rush hour traffic 0:06:15.920 --> 0:06:17.039 was almost impossible. 0:06:17.480 --> 0:06:19.440 Well, you know how many white box trucks there are 0:06:19.520 --> 0:06:19.920 out there. 0:06:20.800 --> 0:06:22.520 You're going to see at least two or three white 0:06:22.680 --> 0:06:25.839 vans or box trucks sitting in just about every parking 0:06:25.880 --> 0:06:29.840 lot in the country. My name is David C. Reichenbaugh, 0:06:30.080 --> 0:06:32.400 retired Lieutenant Maryland State Police. 0:06:32.839 --> 0:06:36.520 Reichenball played a major role in the DC sniper investigation 0:06:37.040 --> 0:06:39.440 and He later wrote a book that detailed what was 0:06:39.480 --> 0:06:40.760 going on behind the scenes. 0:06:41.000 --> 0:06:43.279 About nine thirty or so, I guess it was. I 0:06:43.360 --> 0:06:46.800 get a phone call from the Rockville Barrick Dave. I 0:06:46.839 --> 0:06:49.479 don't know what's going on here in Montgomery County, but 0:06:49.920 --> 0:06:53.839 there's been a rash of shootings. Montgomery police are running 0:06:53.880 --> 0:06:57.000 around like crazy. Looks like this might have started the 0:06:57.120 --> 0:07:01.039 night before. But we've got three bodies down and a 0:07:01.080 --> 0:07:05.200 shooter out there, and Montgomery County is asking for help. 0:07:05.880 --> 0:07:09.240 This could be the next terrorist attack. Can you get 0:07:09.320 --> 0:07:13.520 the state police rolling? If there's one thing that the 0:07:13.560 --> 0:07:17.680 Maryland State Police can do, and it's actually by design, 0:07:18.200 --> 0:07:20.760 we can get two hundred to three hundred troopers at 0:07:20.840 --> 0:07:23.520 any place in the state within a couple of hours. 0:07:24.640 --> 0:07:29.080 Our goal was to just simply flood the entire area 0:07:29.320 --> 0:07:33.760 with road troopers to supplement Montgomery County. The troopers were 0:07:33.760 --> 0:07:36.080 coming in from all over the state, and I had 0:07:36.080 --> 0:07:38.600 brief them on what we knew, which at that time was. 0:07:38.840 --> 0:07:39.640 Very very little. 0:07:40.080 --> 0:07:42.240 We were looking for a couple of guys in a 0:07:42.280 --> 0:07:46.160 white box truck shooting people. That's about what we knew. 0:07:46.960 --> 0:07:49.920 We didn't know if we had a single shooter. We 0:07:50.000 --> 0:07:53.480 didn't know if we had maybe multiple teams. Our troopers 0:07:53.480 --> 0:07:57.240 were stopping every white van, every white box truck, and 0:07:57.280 --> 0:08:01.680 their instructions were be careful because these guys are using 0:08:01.760 --> 0:08:03.920 weapons that are going to go right straight through our 0:08:03.960 --> 0:08:09.160 bulletproof vests. And a sniper case is about the worst 0:08:09.240 --> 0:08:13.400 con off case you can have. Most homicides, the shooter 0:08:13.520 --> 0:08:18.920 has some connection with the victim, boyfriend, girlfriend, ticked off, neighbor, relative, 0:08:19.560 --> 0:08:22.000 There's some sort of a connection that can be made. 0:08:22.600 --> 0:08:26.360 This case, we have nothing. A white van, white box truck, 0:08:27.200 --> 0:08:32.199 and a high speed bullet that's all we had. And 0:08:32.440 --> 0:08:34.520 spreading panic. We had plenty of that. 0:08:36.440 --> 0:08:39.240 There have been a number of white vans all across 0:08:39.240 --> 0:08:41.760 this county that have been stopped by police. Officer's a 0:08:41.840 --> 0:08:44.480 number of people calling in, in fact, so many people that, 0:08:44.640 --> 0:08:47.640 as Andrew mentioned, they're inundating the system. Don't call nine 0:08:47.720 --> 0:08:50.400 one one unless you feel that you have solid information 0:08:50.840 --> 0:08:52.560 about a white box truck. 0:08:53.360 --> 0:08:56.640 Police continued hunting for the white box truck, but the 0:08:56.760 --> 0:09:01.240 terror of October third was it over, and twenty minutes 0:09:01.280 --> 0:09:04.280 after the Ramo shooting, and just eight miles south on 0:09:04.320 --> 0:09:20.160 Connecticut Avenue, the sniper struck again The fourth shooting on 0:09:20.200 --> 0:09:24.160 October third, took place at nine fifty eight am. Maria 0:09:24.200 --> 0:09:27.520 Welsh stopped by Safeway after dropping off her kids at school. 0:09:28.160 --> 0:09:31.000 So I had come out of the grocery store. Literally, 0:09:31.040 --> 0:09:33.760 I remember just so vividly that the parking lot was 0:09:33.800 --> 0:09:34.600 completely empty. 0:09:34.720 --> 0:09:35.720 This is very quiet. 0:09:36.040 --> 0:09:38.439 It was probably about ten o'clock in the morning, and 0:09:38.520 --> 0:09:40.960 I just was loading the back of my car up 0:09:41.360 --> 0:09:43.240 and got in the car. 0:09:43.400 --> 0:09:46.360 And as I started the car and went to back out. 0:09:46.240 --> 0:09:49.360 Of my parking spot, I heard this loud like fop, 0:09:50.679 --> 0:09:54.280 this loud like kind of sound. Then at that moment, 0:09:54.600 --> 0:09:57.439 there was a gentleman walking behind my car. I remember 0:09:57.640 --> 0:09:59.800 like slamming on the brakes and saying, oh my goodness, 0:09:59.800 --> 0:10:02.520 did I just hit something? And he says to me, no, 0:10:02.600 --> 0:10:05.320 it came from in front of your car. So, as 0:10:05.360 --> 0:10:07.439 I was pulling up towards the main road, which is 0:10:07.480 --> 0:10:11.680 Connecticut Avenue, I hear someone calling for help and I 0:10:11.800 --> 0:10:14.760 kind of look over and I see this woman next 0:10:14.760 --> 0:10:16.480 to the vacuum cleaner laying on the ground. 0:10:17.280 --> 0:10:20.559 That woman, Lorii and Louis Rivera, had been cleaning her 0:10:20.600 --> 0:10:24.120 mini van using the gas station's vacuum. Now she was 0:10:24.200 --> 0:10:27.040 lying on the pavement tangled in the vacuum cleaner's hose. 0:10:27.840 --> 0:10:30.640 Maria Welsh, a nurse, jumped out of her car and 0:10:30.760 --> 0:10:31.600 raced over to help. 0:10:32.120 --> 0:10:34.240 And as I was running towards her, then I realized 0:10:34.240 --> 0:10:36.160 that I probably should have my cell phone in case 0:10:36.200 --> 0:10:39.439 I needed an ambulance. I turned to grab my cell phone, 0:10:39.480 --> 0:10:42.000 and when I turned background towards her, it looked like 0:10:42.000 --> 0:10:45.160 she was having a seizure. I at the time knew 0:10:45.160 --> 0:10:47.800 nothing about any snighbors shooting, and I thought that something 0:10:47.840 --> 0:10:51.040 had happened with the vacuum, like an electrical current of 0:10:51.080 --> 0:10:55.280 some sort. So as I was approaching her, I couldn't 0:10:55.320 --> 0:10:57.880 really do anything because the vacuum cleaner was still running. 0:10:58.320 --> 0:11:01.040 We always kind of learned that with you know, electrical equipment, 0:11:01.320 --> 0:11:02.600 you don't want to touch the victim. 0:11:03.000 --> 0:11:04.679 So I called nine one one. 0:11:06.000 --> 0:11:08.160 Yeah to the corner of Rolls Can. 0:11:08.679 --> 0:11:10.120 A woman was waking in her car. 0:11:10.600 --> 0:11:12.120 Something go ast you, I'm glacous. 0:11:12.120 --> 0:11:13.960 She's got me out of her nose in her mouth. 0:11:14.320 --> 0:11:16.000 What's coming out of her news in her mouth? 0:11:18.040 --> 0:11:19.760 Station? Yeah. 0:11:19.920 --> 0:11:22.880 The person that answered the phone said, Okay, well, do 0:11:22.920 --> 0:11:24.400 you know what happened? I said, no, I don't know 0:11:24.440 --> 0:11:26.920 what happened. I just heard this loud noise, like a 0:11:26.920 --> 0:11:29.720 loud bang. And she said, what kind of noise do 0:11:29.720 --> 0:11:31.080 you think it is? And I said, I don't know, 0:11:31.200 --> 0:11:32.240 like a bomb of some. 0:11:32.120 --> 0:11:34.880 Sort, like a bomb. Yeah, but it wasn't a bomb. 0:11:34.880 --> 0:11:38.240 I was like that kind of noise like a gunshot. 0:11:37.760 --> 0:11:39.440 Baby kind of. 0:11:39.679 --> 0:11:41.080 I said, I've never heard a gunshot. 0:11:41.400 --> 0:11:44.120 And she said, okay, just sit tight, we'll send an 0:11:44.160 --> 0:11:44.880 ambulance to you. 0:11:45.120 --> 0:11:46.360 And then the vacuum stopped. 0:11:47.400 --> 0:11:49.600 I do remember standing there being like, oh my gosh, 0:11:49.640 --> 0:11:50.920 Oh my gosh, what am I going to do for her? 0:11:50.920 --> 0:11:51.679 What can I do for her? 0:11:51.760 --> 0:11:53.599 And at this point a small crowd had sort of 0:11:53.640 --> 0:11:56.040 gathered around me, feeling like we have to do something, 0:11:56.080 --> 0:11:57.000 you know, what's the matter with her? 0:11:57.080 --> 0:11:57.559 Do something? 0:11:57.600 --> 0:12:00.280 And of course I make this big announcement like okay, 0:12:00.280 --> 0:12:03.920 I'm a nurse, I'm gonna do CPR. When I went 0:12:03.960 --> 0:12:06.560 to go pull the vacuum cleaner hose out from around her, 0:12:06.760 --> 0:12:10.360 she started bleeding from her mouth, which then prevented me 0:12:10.400 --> 0:12:13.120 from doing any kind of mouth to mouth, so I 0:12:13.280 --> 0:12:18.040 just started doing chest compressions. No ambulance arrives, there is 0:12:18.080 --> 0:12:21.240 a fire station that's less than a quarter of a 0:12:21.240 --> 0:12:24.320 mile from the gas station that I can see, and 0:12:24.480 --> 0:12:26.680 I'm thinking, why are they not sending me anything. 0:12:27.280 --> 0:12:28.320 I'm like, I need help. 0:12:28.920 --> 0:12:31.320 There's like a crowd now and we're all screaming, where's 0:12:31.320 --> 0:12:34.880 the ambulance, where's the ambulance. I later did find out 0:12:35.080 --> 0:12:38.520 that they had told first responders not to respond yet 0:12:38.559 --> 0:12:41.600 until the area was secure. And as a nurse, I 0:12:41.640 --> 0:12:44.680 can understand that. And you're trying to minimize the amount 0:12:44.760 --> 0:12:47.880 of casualties you have. You don't send everybody in, but 0:12:48.200 --> 0:12:50.880 when you're in it, I felt like I was being 0:12:51.080 --> 0:12:52.560 hung out to dry there for a second. 0:12:53.280 --> 0:12:56.160 Within a few minutes, this man shows up in this little. 0:12:55.920 --> 0:12:58.400 Pickup truck with like a tackle box of equipment and 0:12:58.480 --> 0:13:00.440 he says, I'm an EMT and I can help you. 0:13:00.920 --> 0:13:02.440 And I said great. I don't know what's happened. 0:13:03.400 --> 0:13:06.920 So at that point I start to notice that there's 0:13:07.040 --> 0:13:09.319 like swat team on top of the buildings across the 0:13:09.360 --> 0:13:10.080 street from us. 0:13:10.480 --> 0:13:12.000 There's agents everywhere. 0:13:12.240 --> 0:13:14.839 They have wrapped the entire area with like yellow tape, 0:13:15.160 --> 0:13:17.320 and they're now gathering people and telling them to go 0:13:17.360 --> 0:13:20.800 inside the gas station. And this agent comes up to 0:13:20.840 --> 0:13:22.520 me and tells me, I need to get inside the 0:13:22.520 --> 0:13:23.520 gas station quickly. 0:13:23.960 --> 0:13:26.040 I was like, I don't understand. I'm doing CPR. I'm 0:13:26.040 --> 0:13:26.480 a nurse. 0:13:26.920 --> 0:13:29.360 And he says the EMTs here, he can do it. 0:13:29.400 --> 0:13:31.080 You go inside, and I'm like, we really should be 0:13:31.080 --> 0:13:33.240 doing two persons CPR, and he's like, I'll do it 0:13:34.000 --> 0:13:36.400 and tells me to get inside the gas station. I said, 0:13:36.400 --> 0:13:38.040 I don't know why everyone's making such a big deal. 0:13:38.080 --> 0:13:40.880 This woman was vacuum your car, Like what is going on? 0:13:41.720 --> 0:13:44.600 So now we're all standing in the gas station and 0:13:44.640 --> 0:13:46.720 I called my husband at the time and I said, gosh, 0:13:46.760 --> 0:13:49.120 I'm so sorry. I decided to stop it the safeway 0:13:49.160 --> 0:13:53.120 before coming home, and something happened with some woman vacuumir 0:13:53.240 --> 0:13:55.480 car and I ended up doing CPR. So now the 0:13:55.520 --> 0:13:57.120 police are telling me I have to stay inside the 0:13:57.120 --> 0:13:59.840 gas station. And then within like five minutes, he calls 0:13:59.880 --> 0:14:01.760 me back and he's like, okay, you need to get 0:14:01.760 --> 0:14:04.000 out of there. That woman was shot and I was like, no, 0:14:04.120 --> 0:14:06.200 she wasn't. I think I would know if she'd been shot. 0:14:06.240 --> 0:14:08.560 I did CPR on this phone. There's no blood, there's 0:14:08.600 --> 0:14:11.240 no gunshot. I don't know what you're talking about. Mind 0:14:11.280 --> 0:14:13.600 you the bullet went through her back and then she 0:14:14.200 --> 0:14:16.720 fell backwards and landed on her back. There was no 0:14:16.760 --> 0:14:20.760 exit wound, so when we're doing CPR and chest compressions. 0:14:20.200 --> 0:14:22.600 There was nothing. You couldn't see anything. 0:14:24.160 --> 0:14:26.520 At this point, I think it was an FBI agent 0:14:26.760 --> 0:14:29.960 comes in to take our statements, and I remember asking, 0:14:30.120 --> 0:14:31.640 I said, you know, can you just tell me what 0:14:31.720 --> 0:14:32.520 happened with the woman? 0:14:32.920 --> 0:14:37.120 Was she shot? And he said she was. 0:14:39.080 --> 0:14:41.200 I got a phone call and that was one of 0:14:41.280 --> 0:14:47.120 the detectives. He asked me, are you Nelson Rivera. I 0:14:47.160 --> 0:14:53.200 said yes, and he said, Glorie is your wife? Said yes, 0:14:55.160 --> 0:14:59.680 she just got shot. And you know, from that point 0:15:00.240 --> 0:15:05.880 now my life changed completely. My name is Nelson Rivera 0:15:06.400 --> 0:15:11.160 and I was married to Laurie and Louis Rivera. I 0:15:11.160 --> 0:15:15.120 am from the country of Honduras, Central America. When I 0:15:15.200 --> 0:15:19.120 came to the United States, I started going to the 0:15:19.440 --> 0:15:24.160 churchurch Jesus Cribe litter Recent and that's when I met Laurie. 0:15:24.320 --> 0:15:27.440 She was a member of the church. She was a sweet, 0:15:27.520 --> 0:15:31.960 very sweet girl, and I fell in love with her. 0:15:32.040 --> 0:15:37.680 And the funny part was I didn't speak no English 0:15:37.760 --> 0:15:40.720 at all, so it was hard for me to ask 0:15:40.760 --> 0:15:49.080 her out for a date. But I figured out. I 0:15:49.120 --> 0:15:53.000 asked my older brother, can you call her? And told 0:15:53.040 --> 0:15:55.840 her I wanted to take her out for dinner. So 0:15:56.640 --> 0:15:59.960 he called her and she said, yeah, I take her 0:16:00.320 --> 0:16:04.560 to a Hispanic restaurant. And I don't know what to 0:16:04.680 --> 0:16:07.680 say because I didn't know how to say it. It 0:16:07.800 --> 0:16:11.760 was just weird and it's funny at the same time. 0:16:12.000 --> 0:16:14.800 You know, I was just looking at her and she 0:16:14.960 --> 0:16:20.200 was just looking at me. So after dinner, it was 0:16:20.240 --> 0:16:23.440 about eight o'clock at night. In front of us was 0:16:23.560 --> 0:16:28.840 the Temple Jesus, very very saying, and I knew that 0:16:28.960 --> 0:16:32.680 word Mary, And I asked her, do you want to 0:16:32.720 --> 0:16:40.960 marry me? And she told me, are you crazy? And 0:16:41.000 --> 0:16:43.360 I guess I was crazy by that time. I was 0:16:43.480 --> 0:16:48.880 lucky she took me back. We kept dating for a 0:16:48.960 --> 0:16:53.040 while and then we got married in November twenties. First 0:16:53.120 --> 0:16:57.640 in nineteen ninety seven, and Joselina she was born in 0:16:57.760 --> 0:17:04.080 January nineteen eighty nine, Laurie. She was a good mom. 0:17:04.800 --> 0:17:08.520 Joseline always wanted to go to the pool, and she 0:17:08.600 --> 0:17:11.879 always wanted Mommy to take her. She was so little, 0:17:11.920 --> 0:17:15.119 but she still remembered that mommy was taking her to 0:17:15.160 --> 0:17:19.760 the pool, and that's the only memory Jocelyne remember from 0:17:19.800 --> 0:17:27.760 her mom that morning before before I left to work. 0:17:28.880 --> 0:17:33.760 It was something completely different than any other day. She 0:17:33.920 --> 0:17:38.119 was sleeping and I just standing over her by the 0:17:38.200 --> 0:17:40.199 side of the bed for about five minutes and then 0:17:40.240 --> 0:17:46.560 I left. So when I was driving around eight o'clock 0:17:46.640 --> 0:17:49.119 in the morning, I was listening to the news in 0:17:49.160 --> 0:17:53.639 the radio and I heard about people being shot in Maryland. 0:17:53.680 --> 0:17:57.360 And I think it was about close to nine o'clock. 0:17:58.720 --> 0:18:02.879 I got a phone call and that was one of 0:18:02.920 --> 0:18:10.240 the detectives and he asked me, are you Nelson Rivera 0:18:10.760 --> 0:18:14.240 And I said yes, and he said are you driving? 0:18:14.560 --> 0:18:19.960 Said yes, it's somebody with you and I said yes, 0:18:21.119 --> 0:18:24.520 and he told me, can you pull over? I got 0:18:24.560 --> 0:18:28.080 something to tell you, but I want you to pull over. 0:18:31.040 --> 0:18:39.160 So I pulled over and he said, Laurie's your wife. 0:18:40.080 --> 0:18:46.400 Said yes, she just got shot. I just got off 0:18:46.400 --> 0:18:50.280 of that truck and I run across the street because 0:18:50.320 --> 0:18:52.080 I don't know what to do. And you know, I 0:18:52.119 --> 0:18:58.400 was lucky a car don't hit me or something. It's 0:18:58.480 --> 0:19:02.840 even hard, you know, after her so many years, she 0:19:03.640 --> 0:19:06.280 was so young, she was just twenty four years old. 0:19:08.840 --> 0:19:12.040 You know, we drove back to Kensington, Maryland, to that 0:19:12.680 --> 0:19:15.399 she had gas station where she got shot. You know, 0:19:15.480 --> 0:19:18.439 her blood was there, and you know, there was a 0:19:18.480 --> 0:19:21.960 lot of people and I was just wondering, you know, 0:19:22.200 --> 0:19:25.320 if my daughter was in the car. And fifteen minutes 0:19:25.400 --> 0:19:28.840 before that happened, she dropped Jocelyna off on the dacre. 0:19:30.040 --> 0:19:34.120 So I kicked her up and she was three years 0:19:34.160 --> 0:19:37.199 in eight month. But I said, you know, Joselyne, I 0:19:37.240 --> 0:19:41.680 got to talk to you. That was the most hard 0:19:41.800 --> 0:19:44.280 part for me to do. What am I going to say? 0:19:44.400 --> 0:19:47.720 You know, there's just millions of things to come to 0:19:47.800 --> 0:19:53.680 my head. I said, Jocelyne, Mommy is she's not gonna 0:19:53.720 --> 0:19:58.880 be with us anymore. She's with heaven with father. Now. 0:19:59.440 --> 0:20:03.520 She's gonna watch us from there. She's going to watch 0:20:03.560 --> 0:20:07.920 you the whole time. That was not an easy thing 0:20:08.040 --> 0:20:15.600 to say. It really really impact Joseline's life. Any holidays, 0:20:15.720 --> 0:20:22.080 any mother's day is just it's been hard. When she 0:20:22.240 --> 0:20:24.399 was young, you know, she was saying that Daddy, I 0:20:24.560 --> 0:20:27.280 just I just want to die, you know, to go 0:20:27.800 --> 0:20:31.000 with my mom because she's in heaven, so I want 0:20:31.040 --> 0:20:32.760 to be in heaven with her. You know, that was 0:20:33.800 --> 0:20:39.199 that was devastating for me every time when she was 0:20:39.200 --> 0:20:44.320 saying something like that, I said, you know, it's not 0:20:44.440 --> 0:20:48.040 our time yet. I said, everybody is going to have 0:20:48.119 --> 0:20:52.520 their own time, and she'll be waiting for us. That's 0:20:52.520 --> 0:20:55.960 the kind of thing I was dealing with. And you know, 0:20:56.280 --> 0:21:01.840 still and now she's she's twenty, but there are some 0:21:02.000 --> 0:21:08.160 moments you've seen. Still miss her mom. You know, it's 0:21:08.240 --> 0:21:08.800 not the same. 0:21:16.960 --> 0:21:20.520 While victims' families grieved the senseless loss of their loved ones, 0:21:21.280 --> 0:21:23.960 the police and the media were stepping into high gear. 0:21:24.880 --> 0:21:27.200 Here's former police Lieutenant David Reichenbaugh again. 0:21:27.600 --> 0:21:30.320 As word was getting out through the media and everywhere, 0:21:30.840 --> 0:21:32.760 the panic was starting to set in. 0:21:33.440 --> 0:21:35.800 Many of the merchants, out of fear, have locked their 0:21:35.840 --> 0:21:38.960 doors and they're letting customers in and out as necessary. 0:21:39.000 --> 0:21:40.560 There's a great deal of fear going on. 0:21:41.160 --> 0:21:43.520 If you remember, this is back in the early days 0:21:43.560 --> 0:21:46.920 of cable news, so this was new for law enforcement 0:21:47.000 --> 0:21:49.879 to have to deal with a media that was twenty 0:21:49.920 --> 0:21:53.000 four to seven. Causes some problems down the road because 0:21:53.000 --> 0:21:54.919 it was a learning curve, not only I think for 0:21:54.960 --> 0:21:56.320 the media, but also for us. 0:21:56.800 --> 0:21:59.199 There's a lot of concern since these shootings are so 0:21:59.400 --> 0:22:01.680 random and it's so public that parents have wanted to 0:22:01.680 --> 0:22:03.560 go to the schools and pull their kids out. 0:22:03.840 --> 0:22:06.560 A little while ago, we heard from the local police 0:22:06.600 --> 0:22:07.840 Captain Charles Moose. 0:22:08.080 --> 0:22:09.240 Here's what he had to say. 0:22:09.720 --> 0:22:12.199 We have no information that this is anything to do 0:22:12.280 --> 0:22:15.159 with the schools. None of the victims have been of 0:22:15.240 --> 0:22:18.239 anything close to school age. None of the locations are 0:22:18.240 --> 0:22:21.240 close to the schools. I think the school kids are safe. 0:22:21.400 --> 0:22:24.480 They will be released under normal schedule. We won't create 0:22:24.520 --> 0:22:27.960 a situation of panic of traffic that at this point 0:22:27.960 --> 0:22:31.120 the police department is not capable of hounding. Now, certainly 0:22:31.280 --> 0:22:34.119 I can't arrest a parent that insists on going to 0:22:34.160 --> 0:22:37.480 the school to get their kid, but please don't do it. 0:22:37.480 --> 0:22:40.719 It doesn't help the situation at this point. So please 0:22:40.920 --> 0:22:43.320 the media if you can help me get that message out. 0:22:45.280 --> 0:22:49.520 Derek Balliles was a public information officer for Montgomery County, Maryland. 0:22:49.800 --> 0:22:52.399 It was his jump to manage relations between the media 0:22:52.440 --> 0:22:53.120 and the police. 0:22:53.840 --> 0:22:56.480 Dealing with the media on a case that's attracted the 0:22:56.520 --> 0:23:00.560 attention of the country was a little bit overwhelming. Showed 0:23:00.640 --> 0:23:03.280 up in our parking lot and just set up tents 0:23:03.600 --> 0:23:06.520