1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:05,120 Speaker 1: Welcome to Monster DC Sniper, a production of iHeartRadio and 2 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:08,720 Speaker 1: Tenderfoot TV. The views and opinions expressed in this podcast 3 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:12,240 Speaker 1: are solely those of the podcast author or individuals participating 4 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 1: in the podcast, and do not represent those of iHeartMedia, 5 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 1: Tenderfoot TV, or their employees. Listener discretion is advised. 6 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 2: A deadly rampage victims slain randomly, all within a one 7 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 2: mile radius, all within fifteen hours. The first shooting at 8 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:32,160 Speaker 2: six oh four last night, a fifty five year old 9 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 2: Caucasian mail killed in the parking lot of a grocery store. 10 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:39,200 Speaker 2: Then early this morning, at seven forty one, a Hispanic 11 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 2: man mowing his lawn shot dead. Half an hour later, 12 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 2: a forty year old cab driver gunned down while pumping gas. 13 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 2: Then another thirty minutes later, a Hispanic woman shot fatally 14 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:51,200 Speaker 2: in the head. 15 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 3: It was a wrong eight in the morning. 16 00:00:55,720 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 4: Aparked my car and I was laid for work, so 17 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 4: I was running. 18 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:05,039 Speaker 3: My name is Susye Cooper. 19 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:09,400 Speaker 4: I was very lucky because at eight o'clock in the morning, 20 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:14,039 Speaker 4: I was the only car in that area, so they 21 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:18,279 Speaker 4: could easily have gotten me. I got inside the beauty 22 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 4: shop and I went to have a cup of coffee, 23 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 4: and all of a sudden I heard shot. I was 24 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 4: really shaky. I opened the back. 25 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 3: Door, thinking it was coming from there. No. 26 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 4: But then night I went back up front of the 27 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 4: shop and I saw this woman sitting on a bench. 28 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:45,680 Speaker 3: She was dead. It was so hard to believe what 29 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 3: I was saying. You would think you're at a movie scene. 30 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 3: You know, it was a mess. 31 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 4: The bench was in front of a restaurant, so the 32 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 4: bullet went through the window of the restaurant. 33 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 3: That poor woman didn't see it coming. 34 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 5: There is a ruthless person on the loose. What U 35 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 5: nerves this community the most is the randomness of the murders. 36 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 5: Ordinary people doing ordinary things. 37 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 6: All that the victims appeared to have had in common, 38 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:18,360 Speaker 6: each was shot to death by a single bullet. 39 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 7: Be careful, these guys are using weapons that are going 40 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 7: to go right straight through our bullet proof vests. 41 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 8: The massive man on continues, but police admit they don't 42 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 8: know who are, what they're dealing with, or what their 43 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:30,080 Speaker 8: motive might be. 44 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 6: The White Bag. 45 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 9: From iHeartRadio and Tenderfoot TV. This is Monster DC sniper 46 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 9: Thirty four year old Sierah Ramos was sitting on a 47 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 9: bench in front of a Peruvian restaurant when the sniper 48 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 9: shot and killed her. This was now the second day 49 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 9: of attacks. Earlier that morning, Sunny Buchanan and prim Kumar 50 00:02:57,040 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 9: Wallacher had both been shot and killed, making the third 51 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 9: victim of the day. All of these shootings were horrifying 52 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 9: and tragic, but for some reason, this shooting in particular 53 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:12,239 Speaker 9: always stuck with me, And when I visited the side 54 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 9: of the murder, it unsettled me. 55 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:25,119 Speaker 10: Oh boy, this feels a little this feels a little 56 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 10: loft putty. 57 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 9: We're sitting in the parking lot and this is where 58 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 9: Sarah Ramos was killed. Sarah was thirty four years old. 59 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 9: She had just gotten off a bus and she was 60 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 9: sitting on a bench, you know, next to a post office, 61 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 9: and she was reading a book and she was shot. 62 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 9: She was just I mean, the randomness of it. And 63 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 9: that's what really gets you about all of these killings. 64 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 9: You know, you're essentially a sitting duck. You have no 65 00:03:57,720 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 9: way to defend yourself. 66 00:03:58,800 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 10: No one did. 67 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 9: A woman sitting on a bench reading a book. How 68 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 9: friggin cowardly is that. It's just the idea that she's 69 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 9: just plucked off man And just like that's no regard 70 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:18,239 Speaker 9: for human life at all. That's just that's literally target 71 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 9: practice and they just drive away. That just sort of 72 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 9: brings home for me the depravity of all of it. 73 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:30,039 Speaker 11: The victim was laying on a bench with a sheet 74 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 11: over her. That was horrible, really. That's the first one 75 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:37,720 Speaker 11: that I went to. My name is John Desulis. I 76 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 11: was a crime analyst for Montgovernent Keny Police. They called 77 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:46,840 Speaker 11: me to interview a witness who only spoke Spanish, Juan 78 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:48,279 Speaker 11: Carlos I think his name is. 79 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 9: When police first arrived at the crime scene, they found 80 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 9: one Carlos Vieta nearby. 81 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 11: They don't know if he's a suspect, if he's a witness. 82 00:04:56,520 --> 00:05:00,359 Speaker 11: He's probably around twenty two, I think, typical landscape looking 83 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:04,599 Speaker 11: guy where you know the landscape or uniform. So I 84 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 11: took him aside and started asking him questions. He was 85 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 11: pretty clear that he didn't see where the shots came from. 86 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:16,159 Speaker 11: There's a there's an access route that runs parallel to 87 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 11: the parking lot. He was walking down that road and 88 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:23,039 Speaker 11: had actually passed the front of the store where she 89 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 11: was sitting on the bench, and more or less as 90 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 11: soon as he got past the like the corner where 91 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 11: he could see her. He heard the shot. Within a 92 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:36,159 Speaker 11: few seconds, he saw a white box truck leave passed 93 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 11: right by her and then drove west up to Georgia Avenue. 94 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 11: It would have had to have been a drive by shooting. 95 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 11: Almost It was like five seconds or something after he 96 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 11: heard the shots, the van left the scene. He was 97 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:51,599 Speaker 11: the only one that was really close, and he was 98 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 11: the only one that saw any kind of vehicle, And 99 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 11: he described the box truck very well, you know, to 100 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:00,840 Speaker 11: the point where it had like damaged the rear bumper. 101 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 9: Vita described a white box truck, a delivery truck with 102 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 9: a cab and separate cargo. Area police immediately started pulling 103 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 9: over white box trucks and similar vehicles, but finding that 104 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:15,679 Speaker 9: one truck in the middle of DC's rush hour traffic 105 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:17,039 Speaker 9: was almost impossible. 106 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 11: Well, you know how many white box trucks there are 107 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 11: out there. 108 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 7: You're going to see at least two or three white 109 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:25,839 Speaker 7: vans or box trucks sitting in just about every parking 110 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:29,840 Speaker 7: lot in the country. My name is David C. Reichenbaugh, 111 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 7: retired Lieutenant Maryland State Police. 112 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 9: Reichenball played a major role in the DC sniper investigation 113 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 9: and He later wrote a book that detailed what was 114 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 9: going on behind the scenes. 115 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:43,279 Speaker 7: About nine thirty or so, I guess it was. I 116 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 7: get a phone call from the Rockville Barrick Dave. I 117 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:49,479 Speaker 7: don't know what's going on here in Montgomery County, but 118 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:53,839 Speaker 7: there's been a rash of shootings. Montgomery police are running 119 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 7: around like crazy. Looks like this might have started the 120 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:01,039 Speaker 7: night before. But we've got three bodies down and a 121 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 7: shooter out there, and Montgomery County is asking for help. 122 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 7: This could be the next terrorist attack. Can you get 123 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 7: the state police rolling? If there's one thing that the 124 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 7: Maryland State Police can do, and it's actually by design, 125 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 7: we can get two hundred to three hundred troopers at 126 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 7: any place in the state within a couple of hours. 127 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 7: Our goal was to just simply flood the entire area 128 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 7: with road troopers to supplement Montgomery County. The troopers were 129 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 7: coming in from all over the state, and I had 130 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 7: brief them on what we knew, which at that time was. 131 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 12: Very very little. 132 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 7: We were looking for a couple of guys in a 133 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 7: white box truck shooting people. That's about what we knew. 134 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 7: We didn't know if we had a single shooter. We 135 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 7: didn't know if we had maybe multiple teams. Our troopers 136 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 7: were stopping every white van, every white box truck, and 137 00:07:57,280 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 7: their instructions were be careful because these guys are using 138 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 7: weapons that are going to go right straight through our 139 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 7: bulletproof vests. And a sniper case is about the worst 140 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 7: con off case you can have. Most homicides, the shooter 141 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 7: has some connection with the victim, boyfriend, girlfriend, ticked off, neighbor, relative, 142 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 7: There's some sort of a connection that can be made. 143 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 7: This case, we have nothing. A white van, white box truck, 144 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:32,199 Speaker 7: and a high speed bullet that's all we had. And 145 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 7: spreading panic. We had plenty of that. 146 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 13: There have been a number of white vans all across 147 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 13: this county that have been stopped by police. Officer's a 148 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 13: number of people calling in, in fact, so many people that, 149 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 13: as Andrew mentioned, they're inundating the system. Don't call nine 150 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 13: one one unless you feel that you have solid information 151 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:52,560 Speaker 13: about a white box truck. 152 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 9: Police continued hunting for the white box truck, but the 153 00:08:56,760 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 9: terror of October third was it over, and twenty minutes 154 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 9: after the Ramo shooting, and just eight miles south on 155 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 9: Connecticut Avenue, the sniper struck again The fourth shooting on 156 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 9: October third, took place at nine fifty eight am. Maria 157 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 9: Welsh stopped by Safeway after dropping off her kids at school. 158 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 14: So I had come out of the grocery store. Literally, 159 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 14: I remember just so vividly that the parking lot was 160 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 14: completely empty. 161 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 5: This is very quiet. 162 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:38,439 Speaker 14: It was probably about ten o'clock in the morning, and 163 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:40,960 Speaker 14: I just was loading the back of my car up 164 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 14: and got in the car. 165 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 5: And as I started the car and went to back out. 166 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 14: Of my parking spot, I heard this loud like fop, 167 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 14: this loud like kind of sound. Then at that moment, 168 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:57,439 Speaker 14: there was a gentleman walking behind my car. I remember 169 00:09:57,640 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 14: like slamming on the brakes and saying, oh my goodness, 170 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 14: did I just hit something? And he says to me, no, 171 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:05,320 Speaker 14: it came from in front of your car. So, as 172 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:07,439 Speaker 14: I was pulling up towards the main road, which is 173 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:11,680 Speaker 14: Connecticut Avenue, I hear someone calling for help and I 174 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 14: kind of look over and I see this woman next 175 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 14: to the vacuum cleaner laying on the ground. 176 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:20,559 Speaker 9: That woman, Lorii and Louis Rivera, had been cleaning her 177 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 9: mini van using the gas station's vacuum. Now she was 178 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 9: lying on the pavement tangled in the vacuum cleaner's hose. 179 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 9: Maria Welsh, a nurse, jumped out of her car and 180 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 9: raced over to help. 181 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 14: And as I was running towards her, then I realized 182 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 14: that I probably should have my cell phone in case 183 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:39,439 Speaker 14: I needed an ambulance. I turned to grab my cell phone, 184 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 14: and when I turned background towards her, it looked like 185 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 14: she was having a seizure. I at the time knew 186 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 14: nothing about any snighbors shooting, and I thought that something 187 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 14: had happened with the vacuum, like an electrical current of 188 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 14: some sort. So as I was approaching her, I couldn't 189 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 14: really do anything because the vacuum cleaner was still running. 190 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 14: We always kind of learned that with you know, electrical equipment, 191 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 14: you don't want to touch the victim. 192 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:04,679 Speaker 5: So I called nine one one. 193 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 2: Yeah to the corner of Rolls Can. 194 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 1: A woman was waking in her car. 195 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 9: Something go ast you, I'm glacous. 196 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:13,960 Speaker 1: She's got me out of her nose in her mouth. 197 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 15: What's coming out of her news in her mouth? 198 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 16: Station? Yeah. 199 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 14: The person that answered the phone said, Okay, well, do 200 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 14: you know what happened? I said, no, I don't know 201 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 14: what happened. I just heard this loud noise, like a 202 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 14: loud bang. And she said, what kind of noise do 203 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:31,080 Speaker 14: you think it is? And I said, I don't know, 204 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 14: like a bomb of some. 205 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 15: Sort, like a bomb. Yeah, but it wasn't a bomb. 206 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 17: I was like that kind of noise like a gunshot. 207 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:39,440 Speaker 9: Baby kind of. 208 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:41,080 Speaker 5: I said, I've never heard a gunshot. 209 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 14: And she said, okay, just sit tight, we'll send an 210 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 14: ambulance to you. 211 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 5: And then the vacuum stopped. 212 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 14: I do remember standing there being like, oh my gosh, 213 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 14: Oh my gosh, what am I going to do for her? 214 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:51,679 Speaker 5: What can I do for her? 215 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:53,599 Speaker 14: And at this point a small crowd had sort of 216 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 14: gathered around me, feeling like we have to do something, 217 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 14: you know, what's the matter with her? 218 00:11:57,080 --> 00:11:57,559 Speaker 5: Do something? 219 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 14: And of course I make this big announcement like okay, 220 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 14: I'm a nurse, I'm gonna do CPR. When I went 221 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:06,560 Speaker 14: to go pull the vacuum cleaner hose out from around her, 222 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 14: she started bleeding from her mouth, which then prevented me 223 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 14: from doing any kind of mouth to mouth, so I 224 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 14: just started doing chest compressions. No ambulance arrives, there is 225 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 14: a fire station that's less than a quarter of a 226 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:24,320 Speaker 14: mile from the gas station that I can see, and 227 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:26,680 Speaker 14: I'm thinking, why are they not sending me anything. 228 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:28,320 Speaker 5: I'm like, I need help. 229 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:31,320 Speaker 14: There's like a crowd now and we're all screaming, where's 230 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 14: the ambulance, where's the ambulance. I later did find out 231 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 14: that they had told first responders not to respond yet 232 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 14: until the area was secure. And as a nurse, I 233 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:44,680 Speaker 14: can understand that. And you're trying to minimize the amount 234 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 14: of casualties you have. You don't send everybody in, but 235 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 14: when you're in it, I felt like I was being 236 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:52,560 Speaker 14: hung out to dry there for a second. 237 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 5: Within a few minutes, this man shows up in this little. 238 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 14: Pickup truck with like a tackle box of equipment and 239 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:00,440 Speaker 14: he says, I'm an EMT and I can help you. 240 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:02,440 Speaker 5: And I said great. I don't know what's happened. 241 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 14: So at that point I start to notice that there's 242 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:09,319 Speaker 14: like swat team on top of the buildings across the 243 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 14: street from us. 244 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 5: There's agents everywhere. 245 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:14,839 Speaker 14: They have wrapped the entire area with like yellow tape, 246 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:17,320 Speaker 14: and they're now gathering people and telling them to go 247 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 14: inside the gas station. And this agent comes up to 248 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 14: me and tells me, I need to get inside the 249 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 14: gas station quickly. 250 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 5: I was like, I don't understand. I'm doing CPR. I'm 251 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 5: a nurse. 252 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 14: And he says the EMTs here, he can do it. 253 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:31,080 Speaker 14: You go inside, and I'm like, we really should be 254 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 14: doing two persons CPR, and he's like, I'll do it 255 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 14: and tells me to get inside the gas station. I said, 256 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 14: I don't know why everyone's making such a big deal. 257 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 14: This woman was vacuum your car, Like what is going on? 258 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 14: So now we're all standing in the gas station and 259 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 14: I called my husband at the time and I said, gosh, 260 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 14: I'm so sorry. I decided to stop it the safeway 261 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 14: before coming home, and something happened with some woman vacuumir 262 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 14: car and I ended up doing CPR. So now the 263 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 14: police are telling me I have to stay inside the 264 00:13:57,120 --> 00:13:59,840 Speaker 14: gas station. And then within like five minutes, he calls 265 00:13:59,880 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 14: me back and he's like, okay, you need to get 266 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 14: out of there. That woman was shot and I was like, no, 267 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:06,200 Speaker 14: she wasn't. I think I would know if she'd been shot. 268 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:08,560 Speaker 14: I did CPR on this phone. There's no blood, there's 269 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 14: no gunshot. I don't know what you're talking about. Mind 270 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 14: you the bullet went through her back and then she 271 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:16,720 Speaker 14: fell backwards and landed on her back. There was no 272 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 14: exit wound, so when we're doing CPR and chest compressions. 273 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 5: There was nothing. You couldn't see anything. 274 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 14: At this point, I think it was an FBI agent 275 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:29,960 Speaker 14: comes in to take our statements, and I remember asking, 276 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 14: I said, you know, can you just tell me what 277 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 14: happened with the woman? 278 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 5: Was she shot? And he said she was. 279 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 6: I got a phone call and that was one of 280 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 6: the detectives. He asked me, are you Nelson Rivera. I 281 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 6: said yes, and he said, Glorie is your wife? Said yes, 282 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 6: she just got shot. And you know, from that point 283 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 6: now my life changed completely. My name is Nelson Rivera 284 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 6: and I was married to Laurie and Louis Rivera. I 285 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 6: am from the country of Honduras, Central America. When I 286 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 6: came to the United States, I started going to the 287 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 6: churchurch Jesus Cribe litter Recent and that's when I met Laurie. 288 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 6: She was a member of the church. She was a sweet, 289 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 6: very sweet girl, and I fell in love with her. 290 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:37,680 Speaker 6: And the funny part was I didn't speak no English 291 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 6: at all, so it was hard for me to ask 292 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 6: her out for a date. But I figured out. I 293 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 6: asked my older brother, can you call her? And told 294 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 6: her I wanted to take her out for dinner. So 295 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 6: he called her and she said, yeah, I take her 296 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 6: to a Hispanic restaurant. And I don't know what to 297 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 6: say because I didn't know how to say it. It 298 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 6: was just weird and it's funny at the same time. 299 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 6: You know, I was just looking at her and she 300 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 6: was just looking at me. So after dinner, it was 301 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 6: about eight o'clock at night. In front of us was 302 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 6: the Temple Jesus, very very saying, and I knew that 303 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 6: word Mary, And I asked her, do you want to 304 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 6: marry me? And she told me, are you crazy? And 305 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 6: I guess I was crazy by that time. I was 306 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 6: lucky she took me back. We kept dating for a 307 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 6: while and then we got married in November twenties. First 308 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 6: in nineteen ninety seven, and Joselina she was born in 309 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 6: January nineteen eighty nine, Laurie. She was a good mom. 310 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 6: Joseline always wanted to go to the pool, and she 311 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:11,879 Speaker 6: always wanted Mommy to take her. She was so little, 312 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:15,119 Speaker 6: but she still remembered that mommy was taking her to 313 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 6: the pool, and that's the only memory Jocelyne remember from 314 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 6: her mom that morning before before I left to work. 315 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 6: It was something completely different than any other day. She 316 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:38,119 Speaker 6: was sleeping and I just standing over her by the 317 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:40,199 Speaker 6: side of the bed for about five minutes and then 318 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 6: I left. So when I was driving around eight o'clock 319 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:49,119 Speaker 6: in the morning, I was listening to the news in 320 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:53,639 Speaker 6: the radio and I heard about people being shot in Maryland. 321 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:57,360 Speaker 6: And I think it was about close to nine o'clock. 322 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:02,879 Speaker 6: I got a phone call and that was one of 323 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 6: the detectives and he asked me, are you Nelson Rivera 324 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 6: And I said yes, and he said are you driving? 325 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 6: Said yes, it's somebody with you and I said yes, 326 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 6: and he told me, can you pull over? I got 327 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 6: something to tell you, but I want you to pull over. 328 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:39,160 Speaker 6: So I pulled over and he said, Laurie's your wife. 329 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:46,400 Speaker 6: Said yes, she just got shot. I just got off 330 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 6: of that truck and I run across the street because 331 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 6: I don't know what to do. And you know, I 332 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:58,400 Speaker 6: was lucky a car don't hit me or something. It's 333 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 6: even hard, you know, after her so many years, she 334 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:06,280 Speaker 6: was so young, she was just twenty four years old. 335 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:12,040 Speaker 6: You know, we drove back to Kensington, Maryland, to that 336 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:15,399 Speaker 6: she had gas station where she got shot. You know, 337 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:18,439 Speaker 6: her blood was there, and you know, there was a 338 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 6: lot of people and I was just wondering, you know, 339 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 6: if my daughter was in the car. And fifteen minutes 340 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 6: before that happened, she dropped Jocelyna off on the dacre. 341 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:34,120 Speaker 6: So I kicked her up and she was three years 342 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:37,199 Speaker 6: in eight month. But I said, you know, Joselyne, I 343 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:41,680 Speaker 6: got to talk to you. That was the most hard 344 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 6: part for me to do. What am I going to say? 345 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 6: You know, there's just millions of things to come to 346 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:53,680 Speaker 6: my head. I said, Jocelyne, Mommy is she's not gonna 347 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:58,880 Speaker 6: be with us anymore. She's with heaven with father. Now. 348 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 6: She's gonna watch us from there. She's going to watch 349 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:07,920 Speaker 6: you the whole time. That was not an easy thing 350 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 6: to say. It really really impact Joseline's life. Any holidays, 351 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 6: any mother's day is just it's been hard. When she 352 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:24,399 Speaker 6: was young, you know, she was saying that Daddy, I 353 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 6: just I just want to die, you know, to go 354 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 6: with my mom because she's in heaven, so I want 355 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 6: to be in heaven with her. You know, that was 356 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:39,199 Speaker 6: that was devastating for me every time when she was 357 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 6: saying something like that, I said, you know, it's not 358 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 6: our time yet. I said, everybody is going to have 359 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 6: their own time, and she'll be waiting for us. That's 360 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 6: the kind of thing I was dealing with. And you know, 361 00:20:56,280 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 6: still and now she's she's twenty, but there are some 362 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:08,160 Speaker 6: moments you've seen. Still miss her mom. You know, it's 363 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 6: not the same. 364 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 9: While victims' families grieved the senseless loss of their loved ones, 365 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 9: the police and the media were stepping into high gear. 366 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:27,200 Speaker 9: Here's former police Lieutenant David Reichenbaugh again. 367 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 7: As word was getting out through the media and everywhere, 368 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 7: the panic was starting to set in. 369 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 2: Many of the merchants, out of fear, have locked their 370 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 2: doors and they're letting customers in and out as necessary. 371 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 5: There's a great deal of fear going on. 372 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 7: If you remember, this is back in the early days 373 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:46,920 Speaker 7: of cable news, so this was new for law enforcement 374 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:49,879 Speaker 7: to have to deal with a media that was twenty 375 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 7: four to seven. Causes some problems down the road because 376 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:54,919 Speaker 7: it was a learning curve, not only I think for 377 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 7: the media, but also for us. 378 00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:59,199 Speaker 2: There's a lot of concern since these shootings are so 379 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:01,680 Speaker 2: random and it's so public that parents have wanted to 380 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 2: go to the schools and pull their kids out. 381 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 13: A little while ago, we heard from the local police 382 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 13: Captain Charles Moose. 383 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 5: Here's what he had to say. 384 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:12,199 Speaker 18: We have no information that this is anything to do 385 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:15,159 Speaker 18: with the schools. None of the victims have been of 386 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:18,239 Speaker 18: anything close to school age. None of the locations are 387 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:21,240 Speaker 18: close to the schools. I think the school kids are safe. 388 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 18: They will be released under normal schedule. We won't create 389 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:27,960 Speaker 18: a situation of panic of traffic that at this point 390 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:31,120 Speaker 18: the police department is not capable of hounding. Now, certainly 391 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:34,119 Speaker 18: I can't arrest a parent that insists on going to 392 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:37,480 Speaker 18: the school to get their kid, but please don't do it. 393 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:40,719 Speaker 18: It doesn't help the situation at this point. So please 394 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 18: the media if you can help me get that message out. 395 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 9: Derek Balliles was a public information officer for Montgomery County, Maryland. 396 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:52,399 Speaker 9: It was his jump to manage relations between the media 397 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:53,120 Speaker 9: and the police. 398 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:56,480 Speaker 16: Dealing with the media on a case that's attracted the 399 00:22:56,520 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 16: attention of the country was a little bit overwhelming. Showed 400 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 16: up in our parking lot and just set up tents 401 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 16: in In fact, we called it Camp Moose. Those of 402 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 16: us who are public information officers refer to how big 403 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:13,160 Speaker 16: an event is based upon how many chemical toilets are delivered, 404 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:17,960 Speaker 16: and I believe this was a five seater, so it 405 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:20,879 Speaker 16: was big. I'd go out and talk to the media 406 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,400 Speaker 16: to find out what they wanted to know, and then 407 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:25,479 Speaker 16: come back to Chief Moose and the others who were 408 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 16: making the decisions about what was going to be said. 409 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,399 Speaker 16: We tried to tell the public everything we could about 410 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:33,960 Speaker 16: how to keep safe. Of course, there's things that we 411 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:36,680 Speaker 16: can't tell you because we're in the process of investigating 412 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 16: it at this time that if we were to release 413 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 16: the information early it might ruin everything. We didn't have 414 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,600 Speaker 16: a whole lot of information to tell the public, so 415 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:48,399 Speaker 16: we've tried to provide the best information we could to people, 416 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 16: and one of those things was about the white panel van. 417 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 8: Police have had little to go on, only one witnesses 418 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,480 Speaker 8: description of a white truck speeding away from one murder's a. 419 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 8: School Children were kept indoors through the they and police 420 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:03,919 Speaker 8: were on hand when schools let out. Police admit they 421 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:06,159 Speaker 8: don't know who are, what they're dealing with, or what 422 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 8: their motive might be. 423 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 12: The first big day is like, why Montgomery County, who 424 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 12: has a grudge? What are they trying to prove? 425 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:19,199 Speaker 9: That's Patrick McNerney, the homicide detective who'd been assigned to 426 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:23,879 Speaker 9: the first murder outside the Shopper's food warehouse. Now after 427 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:28,040 Speaker 9: four more shootings in Montgomery County, the case and potential 428 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:29,639 Speaker 9: motives looked very different. 429 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 12: Who are people who work for the police department might 430 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:36,400 Speaker 12: be a little unhinged, either current or retired. Let's find 431 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 12: out where these people are and actually put your hand 432 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 12: on them and know where they were during this timeframe. 433 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,239 Speaker 12: And that was our first thing we did, kind of 434 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:47,359 Speaker 12: like you know, Wizard of Oz, start at the very 435 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 12: beginning of the yellow brick road and you know, work 436 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 12: your way out. 437 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 9: But that theory would be quickly thrown out. That night, 438 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:58,639 Speaker 9: at nine to twenty pm, investigators got their first indication 439 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 9: that the snipers weren't just focused on Montgomery County. The 440 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:16,879 Speaker 9: snipers had now moved into the nation's capital. It was 441 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 9: now nine to twenty pm the night of October third. 442 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:24,640 Speaker 9: After laying low for almost twelve hours, the snipers had 443 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,879 Speaker 9: just shot their fifth victim of the day, and they 444 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 9: crossed over the border into Washington, d C. 445 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 18: Yeah, we got get a shot out here on the 446 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,560 Speaker 18: I'm on the corner at Georgia and drinking Collomnia. 447 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 9: Street Intection, California. 448 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:49,280 Speaker 2: Okay, k A l M I A word north just 449 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:50,840 Speaker 2: by the topogra on a KFT. 450 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:53,200 Speaker 9: He was bleeding like a lor fucker. 451 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:53,840 Speaker 7: He's greaten that. 452 00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:00,440 Speaker 9: The victim, Pascal Charlot, was a seventy two year old 453 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 9: Haitian immigrant and a retired carpenter. He was standing on 454 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:06,160 Speaker 9: a street corner when he was shot. 455 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 15: I need to try and drink it over. 456 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:16,199 Speaker 9: Come on right, Okay there, what's get here? 457 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:16,920 Speaker 7: It just got shot. 458 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:17,400 Speaker 16: He's freaking. 459 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 6: He's like. 460 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:23,439 Speaker 16: He's still breeding. 461 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:32,560 Speaker 9: But Pascal Charlotte died less than an hour later. There 462 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:35,200 Speaker 9: were a few witnesses nearby when the shot rang out. 463 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,920 Speaker 9: One reported seeing a sedan driving with its headlights off. 464 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:41,960 Speaker 9: Another saw a bright flash of light, but that was 465 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 9: about it. No one had spotted the white box truck 466 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 9: let alone its license played. The next morning, Friday, October fourth, 467 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 9: Maryland's chief medical examiner autopsied the victims and extracted bullet 468 00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:01,000 Speaker 9: fragments from their bodies. He sent them to Wall Dandridge, Junior, 469 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:05,000 Speaker 9: a forensic firearm examiner at the ATF lab in Maryland. 470 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 17: It's not unusual for state and local to ask ATF 471 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,679 Speaker 17: to assist them with firearms related crimes. 472 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:18,640 Speaker 10: ATF, in fact, is the firearms police. Essentially. My name 473 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:20,720 Speaker 10: is Walter Dandridge, Junior. 474 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 17: I work for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. 475 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,160 Speaker 10: Firearms have rifling. 476 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:31,479 Speaker 17: Cut into the barrel and they're in a helical twist 477 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,960 Speaker 17: within the barrel, and so when the bullet is fired, 478 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 17: that rifling imparts a spin on the bullet. You see 479 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,880 Speaker 17: a quarterback throw a football in slow motion and has 480 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:45,960 Speaker 17: this tight spiral and is flying straight and true. You 481 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:49,639 Speaker 17: want this tight spiral spin in order to maintain the 482 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:51,159 Speaker 17: stability of the projectile. 483 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,600 Speaker 9: A gun's rifling does more than add a spin to 484 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 9: the bullet. It carves grooves into the sides of the 485 00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 9: bullet as well, creating marks that a forensic firearm examiner 486 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:06,639 Speaker 9: like Dandridge can analyze. Dandridge compared the bullets from different 487 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,199 Speaker 9: shootings against one another to see if they had been 488 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:10,280 Speaker 9: fired from the same gun. 489 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:15,680 Speaker 17: So I stick one projectile on the left stage of 490 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 17: the comparison microscope, and I'll stick the second projectile on 491 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 17: the right stage of the microscope, and I'm looking through 492 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 17: the eyepiece, and I can manipulate the bullets on each 493 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:30,639 Speaker 17: of those stages, rotating them and looking at the microscopic marks, 494 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:36,359 Speaker 17: I could raise the magnification to twenty twenty five thirty 495 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:40,160 Speaker 17: x and see those marks clearly. If all of that 496 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 17: is corresponding, then we will call that an identification, which 497 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 17: would indicate that they were fired from the same firearm. 498 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:54,280 Speaker 9: Dandridge confirmed what everyone feared. All of the recovered bullets 499 00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:57,959 Speaker 9: had been fired from the same high powered rifle. There 500 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:01,520 Speaker 9: was a sniper on the loose killed one person on Wednesday, 501 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:05,840 Speaker 9: October second, and then five more on Thursday, October third, 502 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:11,440 Speaker 9: And now it was Friday, October fourth, and everyone was 503 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:15,720 Speaker 9: on edge about what would happen next. Here's retired homicide 504 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:16,960 Speaker 9: Detective McNerney again. 505 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,840 Speaker 12: It was Friday. I had just gotten in into the 506 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 12: office and my supervisor, Nick de Carlo, came to me. 507 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 12: He says, listen, you need to get your papers together. 508 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 12: You're going to Fredericksburg, Virginia for a shooting outside of 509 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 12: a Michael's down there. 510 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:33,880 Speaker 10: Is emercy. 511 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:37,560 Speaker 6: Yes, I am in front of Michaels and somebody's out here, 512 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:38,480 Speaker 6: who need some help? 513 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:39,480 Speaker 8: Okay, let's go on. 514 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:40,920 Speaker 3: I'm not sure. 515 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:44,000 Speaker 8: There was a loud crack and she said she needs 516 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:45,840 Speaker 8: help and she's lying down home. 517 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,920 Speaker 15: So she got injured or uh yeah, I. 518 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:52,680 Speaker 12: Definitely injured shared herself. 519 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,040 Speaker 6: I'm not sure it was allowed. 520 00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 12: You know, it looks like she's been shot or shot. 521 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:01,440 Speaker 6: Yeah, she saw that. 522 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,280 Speaker 9: Okay, I could come back and get my son out 523 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:04,640 Speaker 9: of her car. 524 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:12,000 Speaker 6: Yeah, I know, let's get Okay, we're getting somebody on 525 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,720 Speaker 6: the way. I pulled up and there was a loud 526 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:16,920 Speaker 6: you know, gunshot. 527 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:20,080 Speaker 13: Did you see anything or anyone? 528 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:21,680 Speaker 7: You just heard a loud pop. 529 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:23,880 Speaker 13: I heard the call for help, and. 530 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:24,640 Speaker 14: I saw the car. 531 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:26,240 Speaker 2: You saw, Well, I didn't. 532 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:28,600 Speaker 14: I didn't see the car. You didn't see the car 533 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 14: I saw. 534 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,040 Speaker 6: I noticed that a car was screwing away, but I 535 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:32,840 Speaker 6: did not see it. 536 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,240 Speaker 12: Okay, anyone else, No, the same thing. 537 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,280 Speaker 17: We were aware that the car sped away, but we 538 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,200 Speaker 17: did not actually cast us what it was. 539 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:41,840 Speaker 6: Okay, someone says there was a man in it. 540 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:43,960 Speaker 5: What about the lady at the sender? 541 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 14: Did she see it? 542 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:45,560 Speaker 1: Lot? 543 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:46,840 Speaker 14: Are people around here right now? 544 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:49,520 Speaker 8: Did you actually see the car? 545 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:50,800 Speaker 2: No, she didn't see it. 546 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:54,520 Speaker 16: Okay, are you in the parking lot. 547 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:55,280 Speaker 11: Yeah. 548 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,000 Speaker 3: Yeah. 549 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 9: Forty three year old Caroline Seawell was the seventh victim 550 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:09,160 Speaker 9: in just three days. She just finished a simple errand 551 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,880 Speaker 9: at Michael's and she was loading bags into her mini 552 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,960 Speaker 9: van when a bullet pierced her back. It tore through 553 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:19,400 Speaker 9: her liver and punctured her lung. But when detective McNerney 554 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,680 Speaker 9: heard that this shooting, like the first, took place at 555 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 9: a Michael's craft store, he perked up. 556 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:27,480 Speaker 12: Now we at least have some connection, you know, what 557 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,920 Speaker 12: are the connection between these two places? And so this 558 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:36,200 Speaker 12: thing happens in Spotsylvania County in Virginia. My surprise, Nick said, listen, 559 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,240 Speaker 12: you got two helicopters waiting for you over at the 560 00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,960 Speaker 12: police Academy and they'll take you down there. That was 561 00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,960 Speaker 12: my big adventure to fly in the helicopter with the FBI. 562 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:50,000 Speaker 9: As Detective McNerney flew south to Fredericksburg, Virginia, Caroline Seawell 563 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,720 Speaker 9: was metavacked north to a hospital in Fairfax. 564 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,640 Speaker 12: As a matter of fact, our helicopters crossed one another's 565 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:57,120 Speaker 12: path on the way down there. 566 00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:04,200 Speaker 9: Seawell was rushed into emergency surgery and miraculously she survived. Meanwhile, 567 00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,120 Speaker 9: mcnerney's helicopter arrived in Fredericksburg. 568 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,560 Speaker 12: We landed right in the parking lot where the Michaels 569 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:13,720 Speaker 12: was down there. And when I went in talking to 570 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,080 Speaker 12: the manager of the place, you know, what is your 571 00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:20,000 Speaker 12: connection with Montgomery County? Oddly enough, the same guy who 572 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,080 Speaker 12: set up the store Montgomery County set up the store 573 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,280 Speaker 12: in Fredericksburg, Virginia. Okay, well, now we have a connection. 574 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:28,840 Speaker 12: Then you know, why would somebody want to shoot you 575 00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,240 Speaker 12: or somebody at the store and we're coming up with 576 00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:33,200 Speaker 12: blanks on that. 577 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,920 Speaker 9: McNerney was convinced that the crimes were connected, but he'd 578 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:39,160 Speaker 9: need a bullet to prove it. 579 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,360 Speaker 12: The round was recovered, or what was left of it. 580 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:46,240 Speaker 12: As Sewell was putting stuff in the back of her van, 581 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:50,400 Speaker 12: her arm was up pulling down the tailgate when she 582 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:54,640 Speaker 12: was shot. The round went through her and stayed inside 583 00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:58,520 Speaker 12: the rear of the van. I met with the sheriff, explaining, 584 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,240 Speaker 12: this is what we have Montgomery County. What you're telling 585 00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:05,000 Speaker 12: me here fits the things that we're looking for. And 586 00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:06,920 Speaker 12: then there was discussion about what are you going to 587 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,800 Speaker 12: do with the round? And they're like, well, we'll submit 588 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,480 Speaker 12: it to Virginia State Police and you know, we'll get 589 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,040 Speaker 12: something back in a couple of months. Like, let me 590 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,960 Speaker 12: make this offer to you. Sign the evidence over to me, 591 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:21,040 Speaker 12: and I'll take it directly down to the ATF lab 592 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:25,200 Speaker 12: and they'll examine it, hopefully within twenty four hours. They 593 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:28,480 Speaker 12: ultimately said that's the better route, and fortunately for me, 594 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:32,360 Speaker 12: the FBI stayed there with their helicopter. It was interesting though, 595 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:36,160 Speaker 12: this was a sniper helicopter, Old Hughy. So on the 596 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:38,120 Speaker 12: way down there, I could sit on the outboard seat 597 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,000 Speaker 12: looking out the window, the doors wide open. But on 598 00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:44,320 Speaker 12: the way back the guys had their night vision goggles 599 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:46,840 Speaker 12: on and they were sitting on the outboard seat like wow, 600 00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:49,680 Speaker 12: I didn't know it would be a target. But I 601 00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,200 Speaker 12: got back there, I took the round to ATF. 602 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:56,040 Speaker 17: He had his lights and sirens on and the brakes 603 00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:57,560 Speaker 17: were smoking when he reached the lab. 604 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:01,400 Speaker 9: That's forensic Firearm Examine Walter Dandridge Again. 605 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,640 Speaker 17: There was a lot of urgency during this time, but 606 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:09,360 Speaker 17: the urgency wasn't at the sacrifice of quality. We didn't 607 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:13,919 Speaker 17: do anything different with the sniper investigation other than once 608 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:17,120 Speaker 17: we received the evidence, we worked it right through. If 609 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:19,920 Speaker 17: that meant working all night. We did that as opposed 610 00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:21,840 Speaker 17: to quitting after eight hours. 611 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,840 Speaker 12: The next morning decision was, yes, it's included in our case. 612 00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:30,000 Speaker 12: Let's get the sheriff up here and do the press announcement. 613 00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,440 Speaker 9: The weekend brought a break from the shootings, and some 614 00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:39,360 Speaker 9: wondered if the spree had ended as quickly as it began, 615 00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:43,960 Speaker 9: but police were working over time. They interviewed employees from Michaels, 616 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:48,200 Speaker 9: questioned white box truck owners, and checked up on people 617 00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:51,680 Speaker 9: who'd recently bought or sold rifles in the area, but 618 00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:55,360 Speaker 9: they didn't come up with many promising leads. On Saturday, 619 00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:59,480 Speaker 9: October fifth, police said they had the tained demand Robert Baker, 620 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:03,080 Speaker 9: who had been reported missing around the time of the shootings. 621 00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:06,920 Speaker 9: He'd left his home in Montgomery County, Maryland, and taken 622 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,480 Speaker 9: with him a rifle that fired the same kind of 623 00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:14,000 Speaker 9: bullets used in the attacks, and reportedly he was affiliated 624 00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:18,359 Speaker 9: with militia and white supremacist groups, but after initial hopes 625 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,200 Speaker 9: he was connected to the attacks, police ruled him out. 626 00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:26,520 Speaker 9: Speaking to the Washington Post, Montgomery County Police Chief Charles 627 00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:30,400 Speaker 9: Moose said, quote, I would just like to express the 628 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,560 Speaker 9: fact that mister Baker's vehicle is a dark blue GMC 629 00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:37,560 Speaker 9: pickup truck. It never has been white, never has been 630 00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,480 Speaker 9: associated with the white box truck we've been talking about. 631 00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:49,720 Speaker 9: The Next day, Sunday, October sixth, marked the first funeral 632 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:53,000 Speaker 9: for one of the victims, prim Kumar Wallaker, the taxi 633 00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:57,160 Speaker 9: driver who'd been shot at the gas station. Caroline Namro attended. 634 00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:59,920 Speaker 9: She was the doctor who witnessed the shooting and gave 635 00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:00,960 Speaker 9: of Wallacher CPR. 636 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:07,000 Speaker 15: It was very It was very emotional, obviously very devastating 637 00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:10,480 Speaker 15: to his family. They asked me what his final words 638 00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:14,120 Speaker 15: were and I told them, you know, unfortunately he didn't 639 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:17,400 Speaker 15: have time to say any messages to his family. And 640 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:23,719 Speaker 15: I did relate what had happened, and then they asked 641 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:25,680 Speaker 15: me to speak, which I was quite shocked that they 642 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:26,520 Speaker 15: wanted me to speak. 643 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:29,440 Speaker 10: It was a very big. 644 00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:32,480 Speaker 15: Funeral, was in a church. During the time that people 645 00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,799 Speaker 15: were speaking, I had a few minutes to sit down 646 00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,840 Speaker 15: and collect my thoughts, and I did get up and speak. 647 00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,880 Speaker 15: I remember saying that it was such a terrible waste 648 00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:48,080 Speaker 15: of a life. This is devastating, and I remember thinking 649 00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:52,279 Speaker 15: that I should try and say something religious, because it 650 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,799 Speaker 15: wasn't a church. So the only thing I could think 651 00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,879 Speaker 15: of was a blessing to the family, that God would 652 00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,480 Speaker 15: turn his face to them, shine his light on them, 653 00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:05,520 Speaker 15: and give them peace, which is the priestly blessing. And 654 00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:08,640 Speaker 15: I said to the police liaison lady, I said, I 655 00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:12,719 Speaker 15: don't want my face to be on television. They still 656 00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:16,319 Speaker 15: hadn't found the snipers. I didn't want anybody to find 657 00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,720 Speaker 15: me or come to the house or anything. In the evening, 658 00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:21,200 Speaker 15: if I was putting the kids to bed and it 659 00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,440 Speaker 15: was very quiet in the house, just felt a little nervous. 660 00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:31,759 Speaker 9: Everyone shared that anxiety, even police officers working the case. 661 00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:35,799 Speaker 9: Here's retired Maryland State Police Lieutenant David Reichenbaugh. 662 00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:40,600 Speaker 7: Again, I was a parent of a teenage girl at 663 00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:45,880 Speaker 7: that point. Hey, your kids are everything. There's concern, there's panic, 664 00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:49,680 Speaker 7: and of course there's that. I want to call it 665 00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:52,799 Speaker 7: the unrealistic thought process, because I went through it too. 666 00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,560 Speaker 7: I was concerned about my kid. Is my kid going 667 00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:59,000 Speaker 7: to be a target in all this. Now, the police 668 00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:02,480 Speaker 7: side of me says, that's just unrealistic and the odds 669 00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:07,680 Speaker 7: are astronomical. But dad part of me says, hey, my 670 00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:14,320 Speaker 7: kid could be the next target. I guarantee you every parent, 671 00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,480 Speaker 7: certainly in Montgomery County and now the District of Columbia. 672 00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,360 Speaker 7: We're beginning to think the same thing. How could you not? 673 00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:28,000 Speaker 7: And then Monday October seventh, eight oh eight am, Benjamin 674 00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:30,560 Speaker 7: Tasker Middle School are worst fear? 675 00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:36,600 Speaker 9: Next time? On Monster DC Sniper. 676 00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:38,480 Speaker 8: This was a copy of. 677 00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:40,359 Speaker 12: Prince George's County Now on one call. 678 00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,320 Speaker 1: Well, Hello, this is in middle school. 679 00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:47,719 Speaker 6: Uh you got a child out the station. All right, 680 00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:53,799 Speaker 6: I'm the Prince school to school here, I don't know where, 681 00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:54,720 Speaker 6: I have no idea. 682 00:38:56,120 --> 00:39:00,040 Speaker 7: That's the deathshead terror card. The message here is that 683 00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:00,680 Speaker 7: quite obvious. 684 00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:02,000 Speaker 10: Call me God. 685 00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:05,360 Speaker 7: They decide who lives, they decide who dies. 686 00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:10,719 Speaker 1: There was a very quick realization that this could be 687 00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:14,120 Speaker 1: the next stage of a terror campaign. 688 00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:18,520 Speaker 7: And there it is all over network news, which meant 689 00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:19,759 Speaker 7: we had an internal leak. 690 00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:32,440 Speaker 1: Monster d C Sniper is a fifteen episode podcast hosted 691 00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:36,279 Speaker 1: by Tony Harris and produced by iHeartRadio and Tenderfoot TV. 692 00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:40,360 Speaker 1: Matt Frederick and Alex Williams are executive producers on behalf 693 00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:45,279 Speaker 1: of iHeartRadio, alongside producers Trevor Young, ben keebrig and Josh Thain, 694 00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:49,440 Speaker 1: Payne Lindsay and Donald Albright. 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