1 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 1: In the Lab, a Texans podcast that takes a different 2 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 1: look at things to Doherty and John Harris have their 3 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 1: lab coats and goggles on and the Bunsen burners burning. 4 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 1: Here's Drew. 5 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:18,919 Speaker 2: Hey, dude, you and I really haven't talked since the draft. 6 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:21,799 Speaker 3: How you doing, man, I'm good, I'm alive. That's a 7 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:24,959 Speaker 3: definite step in the right direction after the draft. Still 8 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 3: feel like I've got some juice left because by Saturday 9 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 3: evening I was driving home and quite the stupor after 10 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 3: another tremendous draft all around the NFL and obviously right 11 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 3: here in Houston. 12 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 4: So yeah, doing well? How you doing? 13 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 2: I'm good, I'm good. It's it's another year and it's overall, 14 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 2: it's another draft that just proves we don't know what 15 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 2: the hell at Casario is gonna do. And you know, 16 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 2: to his credit, John McLean wrote an article in the 17 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 2: week's leading up to the draft about. 18 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 5: Dixon's gonna take an offensive line and I don't they 19 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 5: took two, but I think he was a surprise to 20 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:06,199 Speaker 5: most that they went so early with an offensive lineman, 21 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 5: and certainly the offensive lineman and Blake Fisher right tackle 22 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:10,559 Speaker 5: from Notre Dame. 23 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 2: And we'll get into him in just a little bit. 24 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 2: But that's sort of the overriding thing that that I 25 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 2: have have taken away from this draft is once again, 26 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 2: you never know what Nick Cassario is gonna do. He 27 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 2: traded three times, He waited until the final day to 28 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:27,760 Speaker 2: really make make any moves, and then he made a 29 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:31,760 Speaker 2: few made those three three trades. But uh, he's he's 30 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:33,120 Speaker 2: the master at surprising. 31 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, there's no question. 32 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:39,120 Speaker 3: And I think the the uh pick a tackle was 33 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 3: interesting and unexpected. 34 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 4: But when I found out who was and I made 35 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 4: this point. 36 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 3: And we've talked about this on in the lab. You 37 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 3: know a lot of people will ask me, what do 38 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 3: you think you're gonna do? 39 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 4: What position? 40 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 3: If it's tackle, corner, corner, offensive tackle, Uh, are they 41 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 3: gonna draft the tight end? And I always sort of 42 00:01:57,080 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 3: bristle at those questions because I don't think it's that simple, 43 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 3: because I feel like, especially like tight end in particular, 44 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 3: there are so many different flavors of tight ends. You 45 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:09,799 Speaker 3: got your pass catchers, you got your eighth packs, you 46 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:12,240 Speaker 3: got your inline guys, you got your duel threats, Guys 47 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:14,799 Speaker 3: that can play in line in motion, Guys that are 48 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 3: just split out that are just receivers just in big 49 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 3: tight end bodies. Like it's not enough to say, well, 50 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 3: we're just gonna draft a tight end. Okay, tell me 51 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:25,679 Speaker 3: which tight end it's gonna be, and I'll tell you 52 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 3: where that's a fit. Blake Fisher is interesting because I 53 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 3: remember watching in twenty twenty two summer at twenty two you. 54 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 4: Read about Joe All. 55 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:37,360 Speaker 3: I remembered Fisher from being a left tackle prior to 56 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 3: but I'm watching him and I'm like, man, I like 57 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:40,960 Speaker 3: fifty four a lot better than I like that guy, 58 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 3: and everybody's talking about that guy. I like fifty four. 59 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 3: He's got something the run game. He's really good in 60 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 3: the run game, and I don't think he's as deficient 61 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 3: the past game as everybody wants to make him out 62 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 3: to be. So if you just said they're gonna take 63 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:56,399 Speaker 3: this guy at tackle, I would have been like, Okay, yeah, 64 00:02:56,440 --> 00:03:00,040 Speaker 3: I could see that. I could I get that. And 65 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 3: maybe it's not for this year. I don't think some 66 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 3: people were like, well, he's coming to compete for the 67 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 3: swing tackle position. No, no, no, he's coming to compete to 68 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 3: be one of the linemen on this team, a starting lineman. 69 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 3: In twenty twenty four coming to compete to be a backup. 70 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 3: That's not what he's coming to do. And that doesn't 71 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 3: mean that, you know, he's gonna immediately supplant Titus Howard, 72 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 3: or he's gonna supplant Tightut Howard, or he's gonna supply 73 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 3: Larryon Tunsoll. Doesn't mean any of That just means that 74 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 3: he's coming to compete for playing time. And if that 75 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 3: means that maybe he's got a change position because they've 76 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 3: got to get him on the field, well so be it. 77 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 3: Because Blake Fisher, I think, has got something. He's got 78 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 3: the physicality they're looking for. He's got the athleticism to 79 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 3: get up this second level and move in zone on 80 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 3: zone stuff. He's got what they're looking for. And so 81 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 3: it didn't surprise me who it was, not what it 82 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 3: was the fact that it was him versus just an 83 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 3: offensive tackle, because there are a lot offensive tackles. I 84 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 3: have said, no way, when I heard his name, I went, 85 00:03:56,080 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 3: I yeah, okay, yes, I like that. So I think 86 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 3: in future years I got to figure out the right 87 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 3: way of saying it, you know. And it's funny because 88 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 3: Nick and I kind of kind of joke about his 89 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 3: board and what they put their you know, their board. 90 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 3: They put maybe like one hundred or hundred and twenty 91 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 3: five guys and that's their board. So there are higher 92 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:17,159 Speaker 3: ranked players more than likely a tackle they probably didn't 93 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:19,279 Speaker 3: have on their board because they weren't thinking, these guys 94 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:21,479 Speaker 3: can come give us what it is that we want. 95 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 3: But they probably had a few tackles on their board, 96 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 3: Blake Fisher being one of them where they felt like, 97 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 3: this guy comes in and epitomizes everything that we're looking 98 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 3: for in offensive linement, and with some time, we think 99 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 3: he could be a pretty good one, and that's why 100 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 3: we're making his. 101 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 4: Pick at number fifty nine. 102 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:37,160 Speaker 3: I have had sixty two and Harrison one hundred drew, 103 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 3: so I mean, I felt pretty good about where I 104 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 3: had him slotted, and that's about where he went. 105 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 2: Okay. So with all that in mind, I know you're 106 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:48,599 Speaker 2: you're you're a smart guy. You know that you know 107 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 2: a lot about the draft, but you also know there's 108 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 2: some things you don't know that the scouts and that 109 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 2: Casario and all. 110 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:53,479 Speaker 1: Of them know. 111 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, and you're always willing to Hey, I'm going 112 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:58,360 Speaker 2: to defer they know what the hell they're doing. 113 00:04:58,680 --> 00:04:58,840 Speaker 4: Right. 114 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 2: So with all that in mind, which pick of the 115 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:06,599 Speaker 2: nine got you the most, because you I don't know 116 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 2: if you know this, sometimes you can get excited about picks. 117 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:12,280 Speaker 2: You've you've gotten excited about picks in the past, and 118 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:16,159 Speaker 2: you get amped up about things. Did any of them 119 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 2: overwhelmingly amp you up this year as opposed to you 120 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 2: know the others? 121 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 4: Uh Stover pick was was pretty good again. 122 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:27,479 Speaker 3: Going back to the whole tight end thing, I you know, 123 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 3: Friday night at the draft party, you know, we're kind 124 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:32,480 Speaker 3: of right out in the open, and everybody's just kind 125 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:35,239 Speaker 3: of picking my brain, and you know, there were people 126 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 3: asking me about tight End. 127 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 4: And then I had somebody come. 128 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 3: Up and really loyal listener and just was kind of 129 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 3: feisty about you, Tavi on Sanders, and I just was like, 130 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:47,479 Speaker 3: I just don't think that's what they're looking for, you know, 131 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:50,279 Speaker 3: a guy that's you know, really kind of a glorified 132 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:52,480 Speaker 3: past receiver. I mean, they have Dalton Schultz and they 133 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:55,040 Speaker 3: have Brevin Jordan do those things. And I don't think 134 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 3: Sanders is going to upgrade either one of those spots. 135 00:05:58,040 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 3: But if you tell me, okay, they're gonna grab Gate, 136 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 3: they're gonna Dravet cached over like, hey, wait a second. 137 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 3: That guy played in Rose Bull a defensive end a 138 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:06,159 Speaker 3: couple of years ago, which is almost the first thing 139 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 3: that's remarkable. 140 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 2: And he also played the linebacker. Yeah, I mean that's remarkable. 141 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 3: But because of that, Drew he's got a physicality that 142 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:17,280 Speaker 3: a lot of tight ends didn't have it don't have now. 143 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 3: Is he is he clean as a blocker? No, but 144 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 3: he's definitely willing and. 145 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 2: He's he's so raw, right, ha, dosn't played this position, 146 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:26,160 Speaker 2: you know? 147 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 3: So I feel like that's a spot where if he 148 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 3: comes in, he's tough at is all get out. He 149 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:34,039 Speaker 3: was also a basketball player in high school. 150 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 4: We average. 151 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:36,480 Speaker 3: I think I put in his report he averaged fifteen 152 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:39,920 Speaker 3: rebounds a game. And if you think about rebounding in basketball, 153 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 3: it's all about body control, anticipation, quickness, and strength, all 154 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 3: of that. You gotta have to play the play tight 155 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:50,720 Speaker 3: end in whatever form or fashion you're gonna play. I 156 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:53,159 Speaker 3: don't think he's gonna be the move guy. I don't 157 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 3: think he is gonna end up being the fullback that 158 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 3: kind of. I think he's gonna end up being an 159 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 3: in line Why that might might move a little bit 160 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 3: depending on what the personnel is but he's gonna give 161 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:04,280 Speaker 3: you a little something that the unalyzed scrimmage that you 162 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:08,719 Speaker 3: don't have right now currently depending on TV and cou 163 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 3: Toriano's availability. 164 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 4: And and I love Teagan. 165 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 3: I mean Tiga was a pick that I called out 166 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 3: a couple of years ago when the Texans were on 167 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 3: the clock, Like, I think he's on the clock. If 168 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 3: they're looking tight end, this guy would be great because 169 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 3: he's in line. Why but he Hea just hasn't been 170 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 3: able to stay healthy, and so you've got to stay 171 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 3: healthy and have a healthy in line. Why that can 172 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 3: at least go against Miles Garrett and give him something 173 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 3: that can go against Quity Pay and give him something 174 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 3: and just fight with him a little bit. You're not 175 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 3: gonna win every block, but just fight with him, be 176 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 3: physical with him. And I think you get that from 177 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 3: Cage Stover. I also got excited about Juir Jordan really 178 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 3: kind of born out of a game early in the season. 179 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 3: I watched the opening opening game of the season. Louisville 180 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 3: played Georgia Tech up in the the Atlanta Dome whatever 181 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 3: whatever it's called now, mercedeses Been Stadium, and our guy Andre, 182 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 3: where did that game and Jordan has a seventy five 183 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 3: yard screen takes to the House, has another couple of 184 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 3: runs where you just see the shiftiness and you get 185 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 3: that kind of Devin Singletary like feel. And I copped 186 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 3: I comped Jauar Jordan to Shady McCoy just kind of 187 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 3: the way that he runs and moves and slides and 188 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 3: jump cuts. You know, he's I don't think he's as 189 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 3: dynamic as Shady obviously, that's why he went in the 190 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 3: sixth round. 191 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 4: But he's not a tiny, tiny guy. 192 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:33,079 Speaker 3: I mean, he's one hundred and ninety five pounds, he's thick, 193 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 3: he's five to nine. But you can impact the pass, 194 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:38,440 Speaker 3: the run, and the return game with one guy, and 195 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:40,560 Speaker 3: I think that's, you know, the whole. 196 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 4: More you can do. He's the epitome. But those are 197 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 4: the two that are like, Okay, yes, I like it. 198 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 2: Absolutely okay. There's nine Texans drafted. Of the nine over under, 199 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 2: two and a half will start more than six games 200 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 2: this year. 201 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 3: I'm gonna say over, and it's it's kind of a 202 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:00,839 Speaker 3: cheating over because I feel like I feel like with 203 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:04,200 Speaker 3: tight ends, there's that opportunity to be on the field 204 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 3: in twelve even thirteen personnel to. 205 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 4: Start a game. 206 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 3: You may play a lot, but hey, twelve personnel. Okay, 207 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 3: Stover started a game, so I could see him starting 208 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 3: in that kind of role. 209 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 4: Five to six. 210 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 3: I could see eventually Kamari starting a decent amount of 211 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 3: the year. And then I feel like there's gotta be 212 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:24,679 Speaker 3: one other, right, he's nine. You gotta feel like you're 213 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 3: gonna get. You gotta get fifteen to eighteen starts out 214 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 3: of a rookie, w'd imagine. And I feel like that's 215 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 3: gonna come from three guys. Now, you know, Stover and 216 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:37,319 Speaker 3: last A feel like the two that are the most 217 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 3: you know that I would say they're kind of the 218 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:42,199 Speaker 3: most ready to do it, I guess, And just depending 219 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 3: on packages, you know, with a corner, it can be 220 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:48,320 Speaker 3: he's at nickel, so he's on a field starting, so 221 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 3: you kind of kind of cheat in a way. But 222 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:53,440 Speaker 3: that's a good number, Drew, because I think it's two three, 223 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 3: but I'm gonna go with three and be optimistic. But 224 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 3: this is a really veteran laden team. Even if the 225 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 3: veterans are two year guys like Will and Tank and CJ, 226 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 3: Jared Patterson, et cetera. It's a it's a veteran laden team. 227 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:09,199 Speaker 3: You know, there were seventy five veterans on the roster 228 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 3: before they went into the draft. 229 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:13,079 Speaker 4: So those guys are gonna be leading the way. 230 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 3: So even if that number is two or even one, 231 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 3: I'm not gonna panic. But I do want to see 232 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:21,560 Speaker 3: this rookie class, as simple as it is, rookie class, 233 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 3: stay healthy so that you can stack days and the great, 234 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:31,320 Speaker 3: not even the good rookies that we've seen, they've. 235 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 4: Been able to do that. 236 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 3: They've been able to practice, practice, practice, play review the film, 237 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 3: learn from it, practice practice, practice, play review the front film, 238 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 3: learn from it, go back and do it again. We've 239 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:47,080 Speaker 3: seen great rookies around here become great because they're doing 240 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 3: it every single week. Whereas we've seen rookies with a 241 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 3: lot of potential they end up getting banged up or 242 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:55,559 Speaker 3: get you know, you know, hurt beyond being banged up, 243 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 3: and they're out three four weeks at a time, and 244 00:10:58,040 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 3: all of a sudden, they play two games, hurt again, 245 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 3: played four games, it's still kind of banged up, sitting 246 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 3: another couple of games. There's this disruption, and so rookies, 247 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 3: and that's tough. It's tough because they're obviously playing at 248 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 3: a much higher level. But rookies that are gonna impact 249 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:14,680 Speaker 3: this team are gonna be ones that are at practice 250 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 3: every single day, learning every single day, not hurt, stacking 251 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:21,560 Speaker 3: good days and eventually realized, hey, I can play at 252 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 3: this level. I'm ready for my opportunity. And then they 253 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:26,840 Speaker 3: get better and better the more that they're on the field, 254 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 3: the more they're available. 255 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 2: Good stuff. All right, I'm gonna end with this. It's 256 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:33,200 Speaker 2: kind of sign of the times, one of those type 257 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 2: of deals. But the final four picks of the Texans 258 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:43,119 Speaker 2: in this draft this year combined went to eight different colleges. 259 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 2: All four of them went to two different schools. You know, 260 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 2: you had birds starting out at Wyoming and then moving 261 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 2: on to USC Larius Anderson Arizona State to Michigan. And 262 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 2: he's a very feast. He's the only native Texan from 263 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 2: Waksahachi and he played for John Kittna was his high school. 264 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 4: Yeah. 265 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:03,440 Speaker 2: Well, it's a great story about how he got into football, 266 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 2: how he got discovered. He's really still kind of new 267 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 2: to the game, not as new to the position at 268 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 2: tight end like Cad Stover, but new to the game 269 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 2: of football. It's a really really cool story in the 270 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 2: athletic It's from about four or five years ago, but 271 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 2: that's a good read. But lots of guys who went 272 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 2: one place and finished at another Jewar Jordan, Syracuse, then 273 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 2: on to Louisville. You can keep going on and on 274 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 2: and on, but just it's an interesting juxtaposition. You don't 275 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 2: see that or you didn't see that like you do 276 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 2: now right absolutely. 277 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:35,200 Speaker 4: I mean nil and transfer portal have changed everything. 278 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 3: And I've talked to a number of coaches, you know, 279 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:40,960 Speaker 3: some I know locally, head coaches I know locally that. 280 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 4: Talk about that, and they talk about how they have. 281 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 3: A player, a really good player to you, good chance 282 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 3: that they're going to lose them to a Power five 283 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 3: school because there is an il moni there is an 284 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:58,560 Speaker 3: opportunity to be seen at a higher level, playing against 285 00:12:58,600 --> 00:12:59,679 Speaker 3: higher level competition. 286 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:02,199 Speaker 4: And so you have you. 287 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 3: Know, schools in Texas that you know, I don't want 288 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:09,439 Speaker 3: to say become theater schools for bigger schools, but when 289 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 3: they get great players, teams are always looking in the 290 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 3: portal and kids go in the portal just to kind 291 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 3: of check things out, just to see what kind of 292 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 3: offers they can get. 293 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 4: If they're not in the portal, nobody could talk to them. 294 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:23,559 Speaker 3: But if they get into portal, you know, then they 295 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:26,440 Speaker 3: get all kinds of offers. And you know, I know 296 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:30,199 Speaker 3: of a defensive back who I covered for three or 297 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 3: four years at Sam Houston. He ended up going to UTSA, 298 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:35,679 Speaker 3: had a good year at UTSA, and then all of 299 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:40,439 Speaker 3: a sudden, Oregon offered him a massive, a massive anil deal. 300 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:43,560 Speaker 3: And now he's more than likely going to start at Oregon. 301 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 3: And because he's at Oregon, he's going to be playing 302 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 3: against you know, big ten competition. 303 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 4: It's gonna raise his profile. 304 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:52,960 Speaker 3: And I think that's really what it's going to do 305 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 3: going forward, is you're gonna have players that are a 306 00:13:56,600 --> 00:14:00,200 Speaker 3: a little bit older because they're staying because hey, hey 307 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:03,200 Speaker 3: I could be a fourth round pick, or I could 308 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:07,320 Speaker 3: be a fourth fifth round pick this year, or I 309 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:11,839 Speaker 3: can go make nil money, improve my stock and become 310 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:14,319 Speaker 3: a first or second round pick the next year. 311 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a no brainer. 312 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 3: And so you had a lot less underclassmen declaring, you 313 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 3: had a lot more transfers being drafted, and I think 314 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 3: that is just going to continue and continue and continue, 315 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 3: especially since this past I think it was maybe a 316 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 3: month ago. Maybe with the n S Douba passed the 317 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 3: rule where it's unlimited transfers. You can play at four 318 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 3: different schools, four different years. You're seeing guys that you know, 319 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 3: I just saw one the other day, guys even graduated 320 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 3: high school yet, but he went early to LSU. By 321 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 3: the end of spring practice, he already went back in 322 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 3: the portal. I mean, his twenty twenty four classmates haven't 323 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 3: even graduated from high school and he's already going on 324 00:14:56,760 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 3: a second school. 325 00:14:58,000 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 4: And so that's becoming more and more prevalent. 326 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 2: It sort of stands to reason if this trend continues 327 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 2: going the way it goes, the drafts are going to 328 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 2: be deeper, right like with higher quality players because they're 329 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 2: more experienced in theory. 330 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 3: Right, Well, I think you're gonna end up getting a 331 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 3: higher quality player in day three is in particular, and 332 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 3: I think when you look at you you brought it 333 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 3: up when you talk about what the Texans did. Jamaal 334 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 3: Hill was that Oregon for I think it was for 335 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 3: five years, and by his fifty year they played him 336 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 3: at linebacker. Jerard Jordan had been in a couple of schools, yeah, 337 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 3: and stayed for a while Marcus Harris was that Kansas 338 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 3: went to Auburn looking for a higher level opportunities all SEC. 339 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 3: That opens the eyes even though he six two two 340 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 3: eighty five. I can promise you if he sixty two 341 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 3: two eighty five at Kansas, more than likely he's probably 342 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 3: not gonna get an opportunity to be drafted. But if 343 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 3: he does what he does at Kansas over at Auburn, 344 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 3: now sudden he opens eyes to Jim Naggy and the 345 00:15:57,640 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 3: Senior Ball, you get an opportunity Senior even though at 346 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 3: the Senior Bowl there were some good moments bad me. 347 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 4: I don't think he was tremendous, but thought he was good. 348 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 3: But he had that opportunity and he also did his 349 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 3: work against SEC teams, and so I think what you're 350 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 3: gonna have is a lot more talent trying to fight 351 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 3: into those bigger conferences, big ten SEC, so that they 352 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 3: end up having that opportunity to show everybody what they 353 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 3: can do. 354 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 4: And then the draft. 355 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 3: I don't want to say just focus on those two conferences, 356 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:29,480 Speaker 3: but that's where the meat of it is gonna end 357 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 3: up going. Because you just have kids very rarely staying 358 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 3: in the same spot. I mean Colorado is the the 359 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 3: biggest culture of it right now. I mean, they're they're 360 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 3: basically free agents in football. So it's it's an odd 361 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 3: place to be, especially for those that try and show 362 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 3: differences between college football and the NFL. But really college 363 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 3: football has become like the NFL in a lot of 364 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 3: different ways. I just feel like the well, the NFL 365 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 3: has got it down to a science. They collect the 366 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 3: Barer Agreement. 367 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 4: They got these rules. Everybody follows these rules. College football 368 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 4: doesn't have that. It's wild wild westld West. 369 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 1: Yeah. 370 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:05,200 Speaker 2: I was just about to say wild wild West. Yeah, 371 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:05,920 Speaker 2: crazy weird. 372 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:08,359 Speaker 3: So I mean, it's funny because we talked about that 373 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:11,719 Speaker 3: on Friday night and then really that that just what 374 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:14,160 Speaker 3: we talked about, and then on Saturday it came to fruition. 375 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:18,400 Speaker 3: Solomon Byrd's twenty four years old, married with children, Mark, 376 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 3: those other players had been Marcus Serrius had been in 377 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 3: two schools, Larris Henderson, you mentioned been in a couple 378 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:26,439 Speaker 3: of schools. You just get that opportunity to kind of 379 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 3: shop your wares at a different place. 380 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:30,680 Speaker 4: So I think it's going to be more and more 381 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 4: and more like if. 382 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 3: You went and looked at the f's the players from 383 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 3: FCS schools that got drafted. 384 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 4: It's a very small number comparatively to other years. 385 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 2: Wild Well, it's always fun talking about football and the 386 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:46,359 Speaker 2: draft with you, John and you listening or watching us 387 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:49,720 Speaker 2: out there. We appreciate your time, buddy. Let's talk next week. 388 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:53,440 Speaker 2: Players get closer and closer and closer to OTA's rookies 389 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 2: will soon be in the building after that. A few 390 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 2: of them were in the building on Saturday. It was 391 00:17:57,560 --> 00:18:00,400 Speaker 2: kind of cool in my computer and I look up, Oh, 392 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 2: there's Kamari Lasser just roaming down the hall. Oh. An 393 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 2: hour later, so here's Blake Fisher, here's Kaylen Bullock, just 394 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 2: checking their new digs out. It was fun to see. 395 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 2: And we're excited to have all these new players in 396 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 2: the building, plus plus the undrafted free agents, because it 397 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 2: seems like every single year one or two or three 398 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 2: of them wind up latching on and making the team. 399 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:24,960 Speaker 2: So exciting times here around there to the Texans, Bud excited. 400 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:27,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, man, absolutely appreciate you having me, buddy. 401 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:28,680 Speaker 2: All right, good to talk with you, and we'll see 402 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 2: you again next time. 403 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 1: In the left