WEBVTT - Honey: Nature's Wonder Sugar

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<v Speaker 1>All right, everybody, Chuck here wrapping up our Thankspring playlist

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<v Speaker 1>with number ten all about Honey, Honey colon Nature's Wonder Sugar.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you think you knew a thing or two

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<v Speaker 1>about honey, think again, because this is some honey centric

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<v Speaker 1>goodness and you're gonna learn a lot of stuff that

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<v Speaker 1>you never knew about honey. For instance, you can put

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<v Speaker 1>it on toast with butter and it's delicious. So I

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<v Speaker 1>hope everyone enjoys Honey, Nature's Wonder Sugar. Welcome to Stuff

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<v Speaker 1>you Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, there's Chuck.

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<v Speaker 2>Jerry's here barely and this is stuff you should know.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we should explain what that means. It's very gi

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<v Speaker 1>us and strange sound. Jerry had a poor internet connection,

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<v Speaker 1>was a few minutes late. That's it. She's barely here.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, mystery solved, Joel.

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<v Speaker 1>It feels tenuous too.

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<v Speaker 2>That she's just barely hanging on by her fingernails.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, no, I think I don't know. That internet connection

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<v Speaker 1>just sounded dodgy.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I'm saying. She came in like Houston, we

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<v Speaker 2>have a problem.

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<v Speaker 1>You know that internet connection.

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<v Speaker 2>Sound right, sounds like Apaulla thirteen.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty excited about this one.

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<v Speaker 2>Me too. I even ate some honey for lunch today.

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<v Speaker 1>I had a little dab atrey at Brecky Okay, which

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<v Speaker 1>I don't usually eat, but I ate another toast with

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<v Speaker 1>a spun honey spread.

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<v Speaker 2>Good for you, man. So spun honey? Are you talking

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<v Speaker 2>about the creamed honey? Is that what I'm hearing now?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Creamed spun or I think there's one more word

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<v Speaker 1>for it, but we always called it spun honey growing up,

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<v Speaker 1>and boy is it good. And guess what it is

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<v Speaker 1>just as helpful. It has just as many helpful properties

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<v Speaker 1>as regular honey. It doesn't spinning it or the process

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<v Speaker 1>of getting it too. That state doesn't change it at all.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's like honey in a different format. Like if

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<v Speaker 2>you had a really great song, like play that funky

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<v Speaker 2>music white Boy, and you had it on eight track,

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<v Speaker 2>but you also had it on record. It's the same song.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just in two different formats, right, Yeah, same thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I like that.

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<v Speaker 2>I really disliked that song though.

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<v Speaker 1>I really do too, actually, although they.

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<v Speaker 2>Have a great memory of it. I guess sometime around

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<v Speaker 2>Piedmont Park. It must have been Saint Patrick's Day. This

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<v Speaker 2>like car full of dudes came up. They were wearing

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<v Speaker 2>like green wigs and everything. They were ready to throw

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<v Speaker 2>down for Saint Patrick's Day. And they were blaring that

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<v Speaker 2>song and like everybody in the car was singing it,

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<v Speaker 2>having like the best time.

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<v Speaker 1>And then it totally was.

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<v Speaker 2>And then as they got out of the car, all

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<v Speaker 2>of them are like just like booging down the street,

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<v Speaker 2>still like to the bar, and one of them like

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<v Speaker 2>stopped kind of and like turned around and made eye

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<v Speaker 2>contact with me. Was I think he'll be embarrassed for

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<v Speaker 2>the rest of his life about that. I didn't even

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<v Speaker 2>stare him down. He just he initiated that embarrassing situation.

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<v Speaker 1>So you could tell he felt some shame because you

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<v Speaker 1>were just looking at him.

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<v Speaker 2>A little bit and again not staring them down. You

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<v Speaker 2>know me, I'll stare somebody down, but not these guys.

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<v Speaker 2>Was this was he initiated it.

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<v Speaker 1>But hey, good for them.

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<v Speaker 2>I bet they had a blast, So, honey, I think

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<v Speaker 2>is what we were originally talking about, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And the Grabster helped us with this one. And

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<v Speaker 1>this was my commission because Emily is very much into

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<v Speaker 1>you know, she's gotten very much into her herbs and

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<v Speaker 1>growing herbs and spices, natural remedies and things, and honey

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<v Speaker 1>is a big part of that. And although we are

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<v Speaker 1>not be keeping yet, that could be on the docket

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<v Speaker 1>for us.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope, so, man, I think beekeeping is one of

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<v Speaker 2>the neatest things you can do. I'll bet it's so relaxing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she's interested in it, and so that might happen.

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<v Speaker 2>Tell me how it goes. If she does that, I

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<v Speaker 2>will Okay, yeah, I'll follow it. We've actually done an

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<v Speaker 2>entire episode on beekeeping. It was one of our best

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<v Speaker 2>if you ask me, certainly our most homespun episode by far.

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<v Speaker 2>So we're not going to talk too much about beekeeping,

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<v Speaker 2>but you pretty much can't discuss honey without also talking

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<v Speaker 2>at least a little bit about beekeeping. It's so beekeeping adjacent. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it would be weird to not mention it. But I

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<v Speaker 2>just want to say, if you have not heard our

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<v Speaker 2>beekeeping episode, or you haven't heard it in a while,

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<v Speaker 2>go listen to it because it's a really, really good app.

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<v Speaker 1>Did we do bees and beekeeping?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, we've done bees. Beekeeping now honey.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and one of our TV show episodes was about bees.

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<v Speaker 1>It was one of the sillier episodes.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was. I note that episode.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's probably what was silly. I think you had

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<v Speaker 1>a good eye for the absurd for that show. And

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<v Speaker 1>it's a lot and in a complimentary way.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh I took it that way.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. I love absurdist comedy and you nailed it.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's talk a little bit about honey. Ed helped

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<v Speaker 2>us with this one. I think you just said, and

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<v Speaker 2>I think he did about the best most clinical description

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<v Speaker 2>of honey that you could possibly come up with.

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<v Speaker 1>Where's that was that? Like? His definition?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? I mean he talks about basically what honey is

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<v Speaker 2>and how it's made.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh so you just saying start from take it from

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<v Speaker 1>the top basically.

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<v Speaker 2>But I thought the way he did it was like,

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<v Speaker 2>here's here. It's totally unambiguous. Yeah, completely understandable, agreed, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's just a it's a good descriptor of honey and

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<v Speaker 2>how it's made.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this is this is good stuff by the Grabster.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, a bit of a refresher though. But we

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<v Speaker 1>all know that bees like to fly around to different

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<v Speaker 1>flowers and stick their face in them and dance all

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<v Speaker 1>over them and do kind of fun things. And there

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<v Speaker 1>is a sugary liquid called nectar in flowering plants, and

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<v Speaker 1>bees are wild about the stuff for a lot of reasons.

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<v Speaker 1>One reason is, like you know, sometimes they just drink it,

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<v Speaker 1>Like they want to save that stuff and what's called

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<v Speaker 1>their crop or their honey stomach to bring back to

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<v Speaker 1>the hive. That's their main job. But when they're out

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<v Speaker 1>there working all day, they're also like, let me take

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit of this sweet stuff down for me.

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<v Speaker 2>I wonder if there's any bees out there seriously that

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<v Speaker 2>have like a bit of a problem with nectar.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it goes from one for me, three for you,

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<v Speaker 1>to three for me, one for.

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<v Speaker 2>You kind of. I wonder if there's some that like

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<v Speaker 2>just kind of drink it more than others. There's gotta

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<v Speaker 2>be maybe sure, yeah, so yes. But for the most part,

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<v Speaker 2>when they're out there harvesting and foraging for nectar, they're

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<v Speaker 2>using their crop a honey stomach, which they can store

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<v Speaker 2>I think a thousand flowers worth of nectar in that

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<v Speaker 2>is a lot. A lot is nectar, which is weird

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<v Speaker 2>because I saw that it can grow to about one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred times at size so a hundred times it's a

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<v Speaker 2>niche size holding a thousand flowers worth of nectar. That's

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<v Speaker 2>just a that's a very efficient organ and it just

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<v Speaker 2>sits there. It's not doing anything. It's not digesting, it's

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<v Speaker 2>just basically for carrying back to the high.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, I had the most amazing dad joke

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<v Speaker 1>that I failed to tell.

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<v Speaker 2>What was it?

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<v Speaker 1>Should I tell it now? Of course when you said

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<v Speaker 1>it just popped into my head. That's why. That's why

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<v Speaker 1>I know that I'm just on the way down comedically.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that means the podcast is on the way down too, Oh.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for sure. Okay, you were talking about the bees

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<v Speaker 1>having the problem with drinking too much, honey, I said, well,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they could always just go to a bb meeting.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh boy, that was good. That wasn't bad. That was

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<v Speaker 2>a really good one.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, all right, Well, I would love to

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<v Speaker 1>hear from people terrible or borderline genius.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Well, I'm registering the first vote, and I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to say somewhere in the middle of those.

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<v Speaker 1>It's about to say there is no in between, but

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<v Speaker 1>of course there is. Okay, all right, So where'd you

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<v Speaker 1>leave off with eating pollen?

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<v Speaker 2>That they take the nectar back to their nest, their.

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<v Speaker 1>Hot Oh okay, well, then I'll chime in here with

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<v Speaker 1>a pollen party. Bees are obviously accidentally transferring this pollen,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know, some of this pollen is getting eaten

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<v Speaker 1>and mixed in with that honey too because they love

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<v Speaker 1>it because it's got protein and fat. And so what

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<v Speaker 1>you end up with when you go back to the

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<v Speaker 1>hive is a gut or crop or a honey stomach

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<v Speaker 1>full of this nectar, a little bit of pollen. There's

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<v Speaker 1>probably like just dusting things from the air, and they

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<v Speaker 1>start puking it up into each other's mouths, chewing on it,

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<v Speaker 1>some puking it around, transferring it to one another until

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<v Speaker 1>it's ready for storage, right, which sounds gross it is,

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<v Speaker 1>But Ed.

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<v Speaker 2>Makes a really good point here that they're not actually

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<v Speaker 2>it's not actually bee vomit. Honey's not bee vomiting. I've

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<v Speaker 2>said that before, So I think I'm kind of being

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<v Speaker 2>inadvertently taken to task by ED, because again, did you

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<v Speaker 2>really Oh yeah, definitely, I've said that every chance I've

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<v Speaker 2>ever had. But the the again, the the bee crop,

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<v Speaker 2>the honey crop is not digesting. So what they're regurgitating

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<v Speaker 2>is virtually the same thing that's going in, so it's

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<v Speaker 2>not really puke, it's just something else. But yes, they

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<v Speaker 2>are transferring it from mouth to mouth, and as each

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<v Speaker 2>bee takes another mouthful of nectar and then passes it around,

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<v Speaker 2>they're chewing it for a little bit. And one of

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<v Speaker 2>the things they're doing is absorbing some of the moisture inside.

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<v Speaker 2>They're also mixing in their own enzymes, and what they're

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<v Speaker 2>doing in that sense, they're they're transforming nectar into honey.

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<v Speaker 2>So honey is a mixture of b enzymes, flower, nectar, pollen,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's dehydrated and combines to form brand new compounds.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's that's what honey is.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and as we'll see there there can be other

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<v Speaker 1>thing things in there because it's nature and these are

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<v Speaker 1>sort of messy, all the beautiful processes. So as you'll

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<v Speaker 1>see when we talk about like completely raw, unfiltered honey,

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<v Speaker 1>there may be some bee legs in there and some

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<v Speaker 1>other little beef, but there may be a piece of

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<v Speaker 1>a wing because you know, this is just how things

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<v Speaker 1>go out there in the wild.

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<v Speaker 2>And sometimes some bees have really bad days.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, that's when they go to the bebe meetings.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's another way that what we've been talking about

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<v Speaker 2>is blossom honey what most people think of when they

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<v Speaker 2>think of honey. There's actually one other way to make honey.

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<v Speaker 2>And do you remember in our Aunt episode where ants

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<v Speaker 2>are ranchers of aphids, and the aphids suck the juice

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<v Speaker 2>out of plants and produce honeydew. Well, bees go find

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<v Speaker 2>that honeydew in some cases and can actually make honey

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<v Speaker 2>from the sap of the stems, leaves and like bark

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<v Speaker 2>of trees and other plants, and they basically harvest that

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<v Speaker 2>like they harvest nectar from flowers. And so there's a

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<v Speaker 2>there's an entirely different way to produce honey that comes

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<v Speaker 2>straight from the plant, not even from the flowers, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's called honeydew.

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<v Speaker 1>Honey, honeydew, honey. Have you ever had that?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think I have. I was looking it up

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<v Speaker 2>to see what some types of honeydew honey are and

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't find many, and nothing that I found sounded

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<v Speaker 2>like anything I've had before.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, we should point out that not all bees produce honey. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>there are a lot of different species of bees and

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<v Speaker 1>we went over those in great detail in the b episode.

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<v Speaker 1>But the honey bee is from the genus APIs, and

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<v Speaker 1>there are some other bees that do make honey, but

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<v Speaker 1>like the chief honey bee is the western honeybee. This

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<v Speaker 1>is the stud when it comes to making great honey.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the one we domesticated. This is the one

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<v Speaker 1>that makes so much honey. They have enough for them,

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<v Speaker 1>they have enough for us, and everybody is happy basically,

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<v Speaker 1>which is one of the things I love about beekeeping.

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<v Speaker 1>It seems like one of the geez few things where

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<v Speaker 1>we extract something from nature for ourselves where there's enough

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<v Speaker 1>to go around, and if you do it in the

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<v Speaker 1>right way, it doesn't harm the thing that gave it

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<v Speaker 1>to you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that is kind of a beautiful thing about it.

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<v Speaker 2>And as we'll see, the fact that honey exists is

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<v Speaker 2>kind of miraculous. And that's just kind of like the

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<v Speaker 2>cherry on the top, chuck, that we can harvest honey

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<v Speaker 2>without harming or the bees or taking some of their

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<v Speaker 2>head stash for us, like just make a little extra

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<v Speaker 2>for us and we can take that. I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>wonderful too.

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<v Speaker 1>So, yeah, you know, you mentioned we have a whole

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<v Speaker 1>episode on beekeeping. But as a short refresher, this has

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<v Speaker 1>been happening for a long time. People were collecting honey,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, in the Mesolithic period, so there are like

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<v Speaker 1>cave drawings that depict this stuff. So we've always liked

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<v Speaker 1>the honey as huge umans. And then you know, there's

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<v Speaker 1>a belief that it may have, just like beekeeping, may

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<v Speaker 1>have happened by accident, when a hive maybe set up

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<v Speaker 1>in a jar or basket or something that was outside

0:13:11.480 --> 0:13:14.439
<v Speaker 1>at somebody's place and they went, hey, wait a minute,

0:13:14.960 --> 0:13:18.280
<v Speaker 1>like this awesome honey is now in this jar on

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<v Speaker 1>my back porch, Like I wonder if we could do

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<v Speaker 1>this like intentionally and do it on purpose, and they

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<v Speaker 1>kind of just started doing it. That's what the thought

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<v Speaker 1>is at least.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and they think that originally maybe some of the earliest,

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<v Speaker 2>earliest artificial hives were some sort of clay pod or

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<v Speaker 2>something that they repurposed for that. Sometimes maybe they came

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<v Speaker 2>across a hive and they're like, this is pretty firmly

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<v Speaker 2>attached to this stick. I'm just gonna take the whole

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<v Speaker 2>stick home with me.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope farm it like that.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. Yeah, there's regardless at some point, somebody probably

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<v Speaker 2>just stumbled upon this and then in very short order

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<v Speaker 2>it started to spread. They think that bee keeping at

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<v Speaker 2>least goes back about five thousand years ago. There's evidence

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<v Speaker 2>of it in Egypt, the Indus Valley, and Mesopotamia, and

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<v Speaker 2>then China. About eight hundred years after that evidence of

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<v Speaker 2>beekeeping starts up, and you would guess the people of

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<v Speaker 2>China and the people of Mesopotamia may not have been

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<v Speaker 2>in contact at the same time or at that time.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's really possible that beekeeping just kind of independently

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<v Speaker 2>grew up or evolved in different societies and cultures around

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<v Speaker 2>the world independently.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it was something because you're using like clay

0:14:35.720 --> 0:14:37.520
<v Speaker 1>jars and things like you were saying you didn't need

0:14:37.560 --> 0:14:40.520
<v Speaker 1>to forge a metal. It wasn't super expensive. It was

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<v Speaker 1>something that there was a low barrier to entry, I

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<v Speaker 1>guess is what you would say these days. Yeah, totally so,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was really delicious and as we'll soon find out,

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<v Speaker 1>super beneficial. So it became a big deal.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. One of the earliest artificial hives is still pretty

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<v Speaker 2>much the symbol for a beehive. If you look at

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<v Speaker 2>any a a milm winnie, the Pooh Illustrations. Yeah, like

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<v Speaker 2>it's called it's it's basically a cone, a baskety cone

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<v Speaker 2>turned upside down. So you take an ice cream cone,

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<v Speaker 2>turn it upside down on the ice cream part, make

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<v Speaker 2>it kind of bubbly, and there you go. That's a step.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's great. That's why where you get your beehive

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<v Speaker 1>hairdoo is named after these things. And you know, things

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<v Speaker 1>just advance from there, and we'll talk a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>about that later, but I say we take a break now, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>and then talk about what's in honey and what makes

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<v Speaker 1>it so good for us?

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<v Speaker 3>Sounds good, learn and stuff with Joshua job stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>You shine up, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So the question of what is in honey is very

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<v Speaker 1>easy to answer because it's almost all sugar. There is

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<v Speaker 1>some water in there, although you know, like we mentioned,

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<v Speaker 1>part of the process of getting to the honey state

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<v Speaker 1>is to remove as much moisture as possible, but you

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<v Speaker 1>still need some moisture. So it's you know, something that

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<v Speaker 1>you can squirt out of a plastic bear.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure it can later make a bong out of.

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<v Speaker 1>I think most everyone that was in college when true

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<v Speaker 1>romance came out probably tried that.

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<v Speaker 2>And by the way, so long sixth grade classes that

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<v Speaker 2>were just listening to this.

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<v Speaker 1>Poor teacher who just ran to the front of the class.

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<v Speaker 2>Nothing nothing, nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry. What's a bong?

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<v Speaker 2>Was that?

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<v Speaker 1>Ralph Wigham?

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<v Speaker 4>It was?

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<v Speaker 2>It was a pretty good point.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's mostly sugar, and it's believe it or not,

0:17:08.000 --> 0:17:12.800
<v Speaker 1>it's mostly simple sugar, fruittose and glucose. There are some

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<v Speaker 1>complex sugars, but that's not to say just because honey

0:17:16.280 --> 0:17:20.600
<v Speaker 1>is mainly just sugar and simple sugar that it's not complex,

0:17:20.720 --> 0:17:21.800
<v Speaker 1>because it really is.

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<v Speaker 2>It is super complex. It's again, the word miraculous just

0:17:25.760 --> 0:17:28.760
<v Speaker 2>keeps bringing to mind. Yeah, and I'm definitely not one

0:17:28.760 --> 0:17:31.480
<v Speaker 2>of those intelligent design people. I just think honey is

0:17:31.520 --> 0:17:35.120
<v Speaker 2>something really special though, and so like, yes, it does

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<v Speaker 2>have the simple sugars, it has very complex sugars. Let

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<v Speaker 2>me throw out a couple of these names just to

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<v Speaker 2>kind of blow your mind. You practice, all right, There's

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<v Speaker 2>malto pentose. Okay, I didn't add the extra tea in

0:17:46.440 --> 0:17:50.199
<v Speaker 2>there all I wanted to so bad. Galactose. That's an

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<v Speaker 2>amazing name. There's also iso malto trios.

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<v Speaker 1>Nice.

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<v Speaker 2>These are not your average everyday sugar is like fruit

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<v Speaker 2>toast and glucose, both of which are found in honey.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's just the sugars. And again, the simple sugars

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<v Speaker 2>combined with other enzymes in the bee's mouths to create

0:18:06.640 --> 0:18:09.240
<v Speaker 2>these much more sophisticated sugar, some of which have like

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<v Speaker 2>actual protective health properties we've found. But that's just the sugars.

0:18:14.359 --> 0:18:20.119
<v Speaker 2>There's also amino acids, enzymes, polyphenols, flavonoids. And when you

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<v Speaker 2>start looking at all of the different things that pop

0:18:23.119 --> 0:18:26.280
<v Speaker 2>up in honey that's in honey, and you look at

0:18:26.280 --> 0:18:28.920
<v Speaker 2>each one individually and you look them up, you will

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<v Speaker 2>find that they do all sorts of amazing things. And

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<v Speaker 2>when you put all of it together, you just can't

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<v Speaker 2>help but step back and say, honey is miraculous.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and let's have a spoonful.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly. That's the second thought that follows.

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<v Speaker 1>It has, in fact, you mentioned amino acids. It has

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<v Speaker 1>all nine all nine essential amino acids, which are the

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<v Speaker 1>ones that we need that we don't make in our

0:18:52.400 --> 0:18:56.560
<v Speaker 1>own body, so we have to eat them. It is,

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<v Speaker 1>and we'll get to the healthy stuff in like twelve seconds.

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<v Speaker 1>But need to mention that one of the other great

0:19:01.920 --> 0:19:05.320
<v Speaker 1>things about honey is that it's I don't know about

0:19:05.400 --> 0:19:07.800
<v Speaker 1>lasts forever. Maybe I know they've pulled honey out of

0:19:07.800 --> 0:19:11.639
<v Speaker 1>like Egyptian tombs and reconstituted it to where it was fine,

0:19:12.359 --> 0:19:14.680
<v Speaker 1>So maybe it does last forever. But it is acidic,

0:19:15.160 --> 0:19:18.640
<v Speaker 1>it has antibacterial properties, so that means honey will last

0:19:18.680 --> 0:19:22.960
<v Speaker 1>you a long long time. And if you find an old, hard,

0:19:23.600 --> 0:19:26.360
<v Speaker 1>you know, lump of honey and a jar in your

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<v Speaker 1>house that you forgot about, you can probably make that

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<v Speaker 1>honey awesome again with very little effort.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, supposedly, what you do is you just throw it

0:19:33.840 --> 0:19:36.119
<v Speaker 2>in that jar, and you take that jar and you

0:19:36.160 --> 0:19:39.800
<v Speaker 2>put it in like a bath of very hot tapwater.

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<v Speaker 2>Do not heat it up on the stove, just put

0:19:42.200 --> 0:19:45.480
<v Speaker 2>it in hot tapwater, and very slowly that chunk of

0:19:45.480 --> 0:19:48.800
<v Speaker 2>honey will turn back into liquid gold aka honey.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's a lot of mixed messaging around honey being

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<v Speaker 1>toxic if it's heated beyond a certain point. Sure, because

0:19:59.400 --> 0:20:02.840
<v Speaker 1>the you know, there's ancient wisdom that says it becomes toxic.

0:20:03.520 --> 0:20:06.399
<v Speaker 1>Other people these days say no, it doesn't. So I

0:20:06.440 --> 0:20:09.160
<v Speaker 1>was like, you know, I mean, surely there's a study

0:20:09.320 --> 0:20:12.320
<v Speaker 1>about this, and I didn't really find one. I found

0:20:12.320 --> 0:20:16.840
<v Speaker 1>one about lab rats and honey heated with Geeka, but

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<v Speaker 1>that wasn't only honey.

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<v Speaker 2>That sounds kind of good and don't.

0:20:21.720 --> 0:20:24.040
<v Speaker 1>But I don't know if I just didn't have time

0:20:24.119 --> 0:20:26.520
<v Speaker 1>to find the study, because it seems like a simple

0:20:26.600 --> 0:20:29.240
<v Speaker 1>enough thing to research, Like you heat the honey, yeah,

0:20:29.320 --> 0:20:33.920
<v Speaker 1>and feed it to a monkey and see if it dies.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm kidding, by the way, but the.

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<v Speaker 2>Thing is Chuck as you raised something that came up

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<v Speaker 2>for me later on that I'll just put here, like

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<v Speaker 2>the stuff we do to animals is unconscionable. One hundred

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<v Speaker 2>years from now, our cohort is going to be looked

0:20:49.960 --> 0:20:53.600
<v Speaker 2>at as just so barbaric. And one of the things

0:20:53.640 --> 0:20:57.320
<v Speaker 2>that kind of raised my hackles was, as we'll see

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<v Speaker 2>later on, one of the things they think honey can

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<v Speaker 2>help with is neurological disorders or mental imbalances, and they

0:21:05.359 --> 0:21:08.080
<v Speaker 2>test that stuff on rats and one of the things

0:21:08.080 --> 0:21:13.320
<v Speaker 2>they found was that in rats it recovers hopeless behavior. Sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>in mice that have undergone restraint stress for twenty one

0:21:17.480 --> 0:21:20.640
<v Speaker 2>days now, it was like, restraint stress doesn't sound very good.

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<v Speaker 2>What is that They put the mouse in a tube

0:21:23.680 --> 0:21:27.439
<v Speaker 2>where it can't move any of its limbs or body

0:21:27.560 --> 0:21:31.359
<v Speaker 2>or anything. And they kept it there for twenty one days.

0:21:31.400 --> 0:21:33.760
<v Speaker 2>And you think being put in a tube as a

0:21:33.840 --> 0:21:36.480
<v Speaker 2>human being for twenty one days where you couldn't move,

0:21:36.920 --> 0:21:39.880
<v Speaker 2>like I can barely breathe just saying that out loud, right,

0:21:40.680 --> 0:21:43.680
<v Speaker 2>that's twenty one human days. Imagine what twenty one days

0:21:43.760 --> 0:21:46.520
<v Speaker 2>is in the length of a mouse's life. And then,

0:21:46.560 --> 0:21:49.200
<v Speaker 2>by the way, after they studied the mouse, after taking

0:21:49.200 --> 0:21:51.960
<v Speaker 2>out of the tube, they probably killed it shortly after that,

0:21:52.280 --> 0:21:57.240
<v Speaker 2>so that mouse's entire life was spent under restraint stress

0:21:57.280 --> 0:21:59.000
<v Speaker 2>in a tube. And this is just one of the

0:21:59.200 --> 0:22:01.840
<v Speaker 2>myriad things that we do to animals. And the more

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<v Speaker 2>I just kind of come across the stuff casually mentioned

0:22:04.680 --> 0:22:08.320
<v Speaker 2>in this really dry clinical tone in peer reviewed papers,

0:22:08.560 --> 0:22:11.080
<v Speaker 2>the more I'm just like this is, I don't know

0:22:11.119 --> 0:22:13.040
<v Speaker 2>that we can justify this. And yes, we've come up

0:22:13.080 --> 0:22:15.919
<v Speaker 2>with so many amazing things to help humanity along, but

0:22:16.560 --> 0:22:19.840
<v Speaker 2>I really think we should be we should be allocating

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<v Speaker 2>a significant amount of our research efforts to figuring out

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<v Speaker 2>how to not use animals to come up with those

0:22:26.600 --> 0:22:31.359
<v Speaker 2>same amazing breakthroughs, because it's just wrong, it's cruel and wrong,

0:22:31.760 --> 0:22:35.560
<v Speaker 2>and there's there's really basically no justification for it in

0:22:35.600 --> 0:22:38.800
<v Speaker 2>the greater scheme of things. And that's my soapbox.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's your first soapbox moment of twenty twenty three.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, it definitely is, now that you mentioned it.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, all right, that means we're going to toast some

0:22:47.920 --> 0:22:51.800
<v Speaker 1>tomorrow clink. This set is good for your body as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Huh, what's your tomorrow that you look.

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<v Speaker 1>Congradulate and you know I got a few of them.

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<v Speaker 1>That's going to be a future like very near future

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<v Speaker 1>topic by the way. Oh okay, cool, gotten very into tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 2>Mine is Montenegro. Montenegro is is so good and it's

0:23:06.600 --> 0:23:08.600
<v Speaker 2>really good to mix cocktails with two.

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<v Speaker 1>It sure is a little bourbon and some tomorrow you're

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<v Speaker 1>some rye and tomorrow.

0:23:12.640 --> 0:23:15.320
<v Speaker 2>A little bit of that. It'll fix delicious. It'll fix

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<v Speaker 2>a mouse that's been in restraint stress for twenty and

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<v Speaker 2>one day's right.

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<v Speaker 1>Up, some orange bitters, a little shake of that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's good stuff even just also choked, by the way,

0:23:25.400 --> 0:23:28.440
<v Speaker 2>just a little bit of amorrow Montenegro, like I think

0:23:28.440 --> 0:23:32.800
<v Speaker 2>an ounce of that and some good seltzer is really

0:23:32.800 --> 0:23:33.880
<v Speaker 2>good on your own too.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a digest Steve in a half.

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<v Speaker 2>It definitely is.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's great. Uh. You know what recently I went

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<v Speaker 1>to La just for the day to see our friend

0:23:43.520 --> 0:23:48.320
<v Speaker 1>Ben Harrison. Yeah, and our our friend and booking agent

0:23:48.400 --> 0:23:51.720
<v Speaker 1>Josh Lingren and my friend Adam Pranica. You'd love Adam.

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<v Speaker 1>You just haven't hung out with them much. But we

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<v Speaker 1>went to Musso and Frank and I'll just say this,

0:23:57.520 --> 0:23:59.159
<v Speaker 1>and I haven't been drinking much lately, but we had

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<v Speaker 1>a day and we're way too drunk to be and

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<v Speaker 1>Musso and Frank.

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<v Speaker 2>I could tell from your Instagram posts from it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's like she just looks really this great big

0:24:09.800 --> 0:24:11.800
<v Speaker 1>meal and drinks and all this stuff at one of

0:24:11.800 --> 0:24:14.760
<v Speaker 1>the oldest restaurants in Hollywood. And at the very end,

0:24:15.400 --> 0:24:19.359
<v Speaker 1>Ben Harrison just shouts out, is that it. We're like, yes,

0:24:19.720 --> 0:24:23.399
<v Speaker 1>nothing else, and Ben went four tomorrows. Oh yeah, so

0:24:23.480 --> 0:24:26.720
<v Speaker 1>that's how we ended our meal. Wow, they're just stop

0:24:26.760 --> 0:24:29.120
<v Speaker 1>with a hangover. So let's not blow all of our

0:24:29.320 --> 0:24:34.160
<v Speaker 1>knowledge on tomorrow right here. Well put chuck jerk all right.

0:24:34.280 --> 0:24:37.000
<v Speaker 1>So health qualities of Honey is where we left off

0:24:37.040 --> 0:24:40.879
<v Speaker 1>ten minutes ago. There are lots of health benefits and

0:24:40.920 --> 0:24:43.640
<v Speaker 1>there are lots of studies that back this up, which

0:24:43.680 --> 0:24:47.199
<v Speaker 1>is great. There are medicinal uses that have been academically

0:24:47.280 --> 0:24:51.480
<v Speaker 1>studied and verified. So this isn't like you know, witchy

0:24:51.560 --> 0:24:54.480
<v Speaker 1>hokum or woo woo stuff like that. Honey is really

0:24:54.520 --> 0:24:56.040
<v Speaker 1>really good for you. And we've known this for a

0:24:56.040 --> 0:24:58.480
<v Speaker 1>long time. And one of the things that honey is

0:24:58.520 --> 0:25:03.080
<v Speaker 1>great for is if you you have allergies. If they

0:25:03.440 --> 0:25:05.679
<v Speaker 1>did studies where they looked over the course of a

0:25:05.680 --> 0:25:09.480
<v Speaker 1>couple of months during allergy season, and it had significant

0:25:09.520 --> 0:25:15.719
<v Speaker 1>reductions in what's called rhinitis rhinitis, which is you know,

0:25:15.880 --> 0:25:20.119
<v Speaker 1>stuff you knows, sneezing, allergic sort of qualities fear of.

0:25:22.240 --> 0:25:24.480
<v Speaker 1>And this was like quite a bit of honey. I

0:25:24.480 --> 0:25:27.159
<v Speaker 1>think it was one gram of honey per kilogram of

0:25:27.160 --> 0:25:27.720
<v Speaker 1>body weight.

0:25:27.800 --> 0:25:29.080
<v Speaker 2>It's a lot of honey.

0:25:29.640 --> 0:25:31.639
<v Speaker 1>It's a lot of honey. But it works, and you know,

0:25:31.640 --> 0:25:34.359
<v Speaker 1>it's better than some dumb allergy medication.

0:25:34.640 --> 0:25:38.640
<v Speaker 2>So you remember our immunotherapy episode from very early on,

0:25:39.480 --> 0:25:43.119
<v Speaker 2>we talked a lot about eating honey to get over allergies,

0:25:43.119 --> 0:25:45.439
<v Speaker 2>and it totally makes sense because you're exposing yourself to

0:25:45.480 --> 0:25:48.479
<v Speaker 2>the local pollen. That's why people who say this actually

0:25:48.520 --> 0:25:51.960
<v Speaker 2>works to get yourself over allergies. Say, it won't work

0:25:52.040 --> 0:25:55.840
<v Speaker 2>unless you are eating local honey, meaning like within twenty

0:25:55.920 --> 0:25:58.800
<v Speaker 2>or I think thirty miles of where you live, because

0:25:58.800 --> 0:26:02.000
<v Speaker 2>you're exposing yourself a little by little to that pollen

0:26:02.280 --> 0:26:05.080
<v Speaker 2>and your body's like, oh, this is this Stuff's not

0:26:05.160 --> 0:26:07.520
<v Speaker 2>that bad. We won't give you any more allergies.

0:26:08.040 --> 0:26:09.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And there's a lot of reasons to eat local

0:26:10.000 --> 0:26:13.880
<v Speaker 1>honey and eat locally period, not the least of which

0:26:13.920 --> 0:26:18.919
<v Speaker 1>is that's just how it was for gazillion years. You

0:26:19.200 --> 0:26:21.360
<v Speaker 1>ate what was near you because you couldn't get anywhere else,

0:26:21.400 --> 0:26:22.920
<v Speaker 1>and that's just sort of the better way to eat.

0:26:23.240 --> 0:26:26.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I've really gotten into green grapes lately. They're just

0:26:26.680 --> 0:26:28.879
<v Speaker 2>so good and they're so good for you. Just always

0:26:28.880 --> 0:26:30.439
<v Speaker 2>have like a bowl of them out And we just

0:26:31.080 --> 0:26:35.359
<v Speaker 2>left grape season and the stuff that's out now is

0:26:35.480 --> 0:26:38.320
<v Speaker 2>just it's so bad. It's just like you put in

0:26:38.359 --> 0:26:40.399
<v Speaker 2>your mouth and there's no like pop to it. It

0:26:40.520 --> 0:26:44.199
<v Speaker 2>just MUSHes. And this is not any good. Yeah, it

0:26:44.280 --> 0:26:46.679
<v Speaker 2>is like an eyeball. It's really, it's like a rotten

0:26:46.720 --> 0:26:50.360
<v Speaker 2>eyeball basically. So I'm off a grape, so I'm trying

0:26:50.359 --> 0:26:53.080
<v Speaker 2>to find a Grape replacement until they come back in season.

0:26:53.680 --> 0:26:56.040
<v Speaker 1>Grape Replacement is not a bad band name. Actually it

0:26:56.080 --> 0:26:57.640
<v Speaker 1>is a bad band name, but I could see someone

0:26:57.720 --> 0:26:58.560
<v Speaker 1>naming their band NAT.

0:26:58.680 --> 0:27:00.680
<v Speaker 2>That seems like a side project band name.

0:27:01.200 --> 0:27:06.080
<v Speaker 1>Right. What about an inflammation that's you know, inflammation, we've

0:27:06.080 --> 0:27:08.720
<v Speaker 1>talked a lot about that's it's not the root cause

0:27:08.720 --> 0:27:12.040
<v Speaker 1>of every problem humans have, but inflammation is one of

0:27:12.080 --> 0:27:15.399
<v Speaker 1>the leading causes of a lot of problems that humans have.

0:27:15.520 --> 0:27:18.600
<v Speaker 2>Definitely, I think we need to do an episode on that, Yeah, totally,

0:27:18.640 --> 0:27:21.920
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I mean it's behind cardiovascular issues. Your blood

0:27:21.920 --> 0:27:26.120
<v Speaker 2>pressure might be high, you might have gut problems, arthritis,

0:27:26.400 --> 0:27:30.120
<v Speaker 2>some types of cancer, and it's your body basically mounting

0:27:30.160 --> 0:27:33.920
<v Speaker 2>this immune response that is overblown and so you're suffering

0:27:33.960 --> 0:27:38.360
<v Speaker 2>as a result, and it has all these terrible effects. Well,

0:27:38.440 --> 0:27:43.000
<v Speaker 2>the flavonoids that I mentioned are there's a ton of flavonoids.

0:27:43.240 --> 0:27:46.280
<v Speaker 2>I think like thirty different flabinoids found and basically all

0:27:46.320 --> 0:27:49.199
<v Speaker 2>types of honey, just to varying degrees depending on what

0:27:49.240 --> 0:27:52.920
<v Speaker 2>flowers it came from. And they are antioxidants. We've talked

0:27:52.920 --> 0:27:57.280
<v Speaker 2>about antioxidants and whether or not they actually work or not.

0:27:58.000 --> 0:27:59.879
<v Speaker 2>The jury's still kind of out, but there are some

0:28:00.080 --> 0:28:02.199
<v Speaker 2>things that flavonoids do that are like, this is just

0:28:02.520 --> 0:28:06.000
<v Speaker 2>demonstrably effective. One of the things they do is go

0:28:06.080 --> 0:28:10.840
<v Speaker 2>to the genes that produce inflammatory proteins and say, nope,

0:28:10.880 --> 0:28:14.280
<v Speaker 2>not today, you just rest easy, stop making those things.

0:28:14.440 --> 0:28:19.120
<v Speaker 2>So the block expression of inflammatory proteins. That's just one

0:28:19.119 --> 0:28:21.560
<v Speaker 2>of the things that you can find in honey.

0:28:21.840 --> 0:28:24.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, a pretty big one if you ask me. Sure,

0:28:25.840 --> 0:28:27.920
<v Speaker 1>if you want kind of one of the king daddies

0:28:28.119 --> 0:28:32.960
<v Speaker 1>of healthful honeys. You've probably heard of Manuka honey. It

0:28:33.000 --> 0:28:36.320
<v Speaker 1>seems to have I don't know about exploded, but it

0:28:36.359 --> 0:28:40.920
<v Speaker 1>seems to have really garnered a lot more popularity and popularity,

0:28:41.000 --> 0:28:44.400
<v Speaker 1>garnered popularity whatever, you know what I'm saying, Sure in

0:28:44.440 --> 0:28:48.680
<v Speaker 1>more recent years, partially because of marketing and pr but

0:28:48.720 --> 0:28:51.280
<v Speaker 1>partially because Minuka honey is really good for you. This

0:28:51.360 --> 0:28:54.920
<v Speaker 1>is a monofloral honey, which means, as we'll talk about

0:28:55.040 --> 0:28:57.400
<v Speaker 1>a bit more later, that it comes from a single

0:28:57.440 --> 0:29:02.280
<v Speaker 1>flower as much as possible from New Zealand, and it's

0:29:02.320 --> 0:29:05.840
<v Speaker 1>got a pretty short period in which this flower flowers,

0:29:06.640 --> 0:29:09.080
<v Speaker 1>and that makes it a more rare honey. That makes

0:29:09.080 --> 0:29:12.640
<v Speaker 1>it more expensive, of course, but manuka honey kind of

0:29:12.680 --> 0:29:17.560
<v Speaker 1>does all the things that honey does times, you know,

0:29:17.600 --> 0:29:18.720
<v Speaker 1>with a plus afterward.

0:29:18.960 --> 0:29:24.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Supposedly, the active ingredient for manuka honey's antimicrobial properties

0:29:24.280 --> 0:29:29.000
<v Speaker 2>is methyl glyoxal. It's a word as ugly as it

0:29:29.080 --> 0:29:32.560
<v Speaker 2>sounds spelled out, but it has about one hundred times

0:29:32.640 --> 0:29:37.040
<v Speaker 2>the amount that other types of honey have. And that's

0:29:37.240 --> 0:29:40.480
<v Speaker 2>one of the reasons why everybody's so bully on manuka honey.

0:29:40.480 --> 0:29:43.040
<v Speaker 2>I think the other reason is because it is very rare.

0:29:43.080 --> 0:29:47.040
<v Speaker 2>The manuka shrub grows in fairly remote, isolated regions of

0:29:47.080 --> 0:29:49.840
<v Speaker 2>New Zealand, so it's hard to get, and that means

0:29:49.880 --> 0:29:51.600
<v Speaker 2>it's very expensive, so you can sell it for a

0:29:51.600 --> 0:29:53.920
<v Speaker 2>lot of money. So anything you can say is Manuka honey.

0:29:54.240 --> 0:29:56.320
<v Speaker 2>You can kind of hype, but there does seem to

0:29:56.360 --> 0:29:59.520
<v Speaker 2>be some actual reality behind the hype.

0:30:00.120 --> 0:30:03.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Like there there are people who do this and

0:30:04.360 --> 0:30:07.000
<v Speaker 1>who just like take a spoonful of manuka honey every

0:30:07.080 --> 0:30:09.760
<v Speaker 1>day as if they're taking their vitamins in the morning

0:30:09.840 --> 0:30:10.560
<v Speaker 1>or something like that.

0:30:10.640 --> 0:30:12.560
<v Speaker 2>For sure. And there's another one that's kind of come

0:30:12.640 --> 0:30:16.880
<v Speaker 2>up recently that has been rivaling minukas a tulang honey.

0:30:17.240 --> 0:30:20.360
<v Speaker 2>It grows in Malaysia. The thing is Manuka honey is

0:30:20.360 --> 0:30:23.560
<v Speaker 2>a monofloral honey. As we'll see, it's just made from

0:30:23.600 --> 0:30:27.640
<v Speaker 2>the manuka, the flowers of the manuka shrub. Tulang is

0:30:27.840 --> 0:30:31.560
<v Speaker 2>called jungle honey, like it's just made from whatever's flowering

0:30:32.000 --> 0:30:35.520
<v Speaker 2>in Malaysia. But supposedly the flowers that are growing in

0:30:35.560 --> 0:30:38.720
<v Speaker 2>the jungles of Malaysia have a lot of amazing properties too.

0:30:39.000 --> 0:30:42.560
<v Speaker 2>Because people are saying this tulang it's the hot new product,

0:30:42.920 --> 0:30:45.640
<v Speaker 2>and so long Manuka, you're so over and done with.

0:30:46.360 --> 0:30:49.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, jungle honey's a good song title, yeah for sure.

0:30:49.880 --> 0:30:51.520
<v Speaker 1>Or maybe I'm just thinking jungle boogie.

0:30:51.720 --> 0:30:55.240
<v Speaker 2>No, jungle honey sounds good. You put honey with any

0:30:55.240 --> 0:30:58.280
<v Speaker 2>other word and it's gonna make it more appealing. I

0:30:58.360 --> 0:30:58.840
<v Speaker 2>think for.

0:30:58.800 --> 0:31:01.120
<v Speaker 1>Sure, I love the word jungle. It's one of my favorites.

0:31:01.200 --> 0:31:03.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you said earlier you were starting your honey file.

0:31:03.800 --> 0:31:05.920
<v Speaker 2>I was like, you should call all files your honey file.

0:31:07.920 --> 0:31:12.040
<v Speaker 1>Maybe I will. Honey is also good topically. You can

0:31:12.560 --> 0:31:16.960
<v Speaker 1>put honey, especially something like manuka honey, on a skin,

0:31:17.080 --> 0:31:21.080
<v Speaker 1>knee or something like that cuts any kind of stubborn

0:31:21.120 --> 0:31:24.880
<v Speaker 1>wounds it's going to help out with They've done meta

0:31:24.920 --> 0:31:28.880
<v Speaker 1>studies on putting honey on topically and a lot of

0:31:28.880 --> 0:31:33.240
<v Speaker 1>these were it seems like from studies on diabetic foot wounds,

0:31:33.720 --> 0:31:36.800
<v Speaker 1>this is what ED found. But you know, it healed faster,

0:31:37.400 --> 0:31:41.160
<v Speaker 1>there was less inflammation. Apparently it can reduce nasty odors,

0:31:41.960 --> 0:31:45.600
<v Speaker 1>and even in diabetic foot wounds, helped reduce the need

0:31:45.600 --> 0:31:46.280
<v Speaker 1>for amputation.

0:31:46.880 --> 0:31:51.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, apparently that's with just about any honey you could

0:31:51.560 --> 0:31:54.640
<v Speaker 2>use for wound healing, not just manuka. Yeah, I saw

0:31:54.680 --> 0:31:56.960
<v Speaker 2>a paper that said, actually you might not want to

0:31:57.080 --> 0:32:01.040
<v Speaker 2>use manuka because that methyl glyoxal is something that might

0:32:01.240 --> 0:32:06.200
<v Speaker 2>actually prevent a diabetic foot ulcer from healing because really

0:32:06.320 --> 0:32:09.320
<v Speaker 2>so potent, it might actually like kill off like the

0:32:10.080 --> 0:32:13.600
<v Speaker 2>new cells that are trying to form. Other honey has

0:32:13.640 --> 0:32:16.480
<v Speaker 2>been shown is honey in general that it actually does

0:32:16.560 --> 0:32:20.400
<v Speaker 2>help heal diabetic foot ulcers, in really any kind of wound.

0:32:20.760 --> 0:32:23.360
<v Speaker 2>But the reason they say diabetic ulcers is because they

0:32:23.400 --> 0:32:27.000
<v Speaker 2>have so much trouble healing because there's so little circulation

0:32:27.160 --> 0:32:30.480
<v Speaker 2>being led to that wound site that it just basically

0:32:30.560 --> 0:32:33.600
<v Speaker 2>just persists that if you slather some honey on there,

0:32:33.640 --> 0:32:36.640
<v Speaker 2>you can say Goodbye, stubborn wound. Goodbye.

0:32:38.040 --> 0:32:40.520
<v Speaker 1>We already talked about blood pressure some but we should

0:32:40.640 --> 0:32:43.360
<v Speaker 1>note that some of the studies have found that it

0:32:43.400 --> 0:32:48.080
<v Speaker 1>reduces hypertension in women and not men. And this not

0:32:48.120 --> 0:32:50.959
<v Speaker 1>to say that it can't in men, but it's in

0:32:51.040 --> 0:32:54.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, Ed points this out very astutely, that honey

0:32:54.080 --> 0:32:56.320
<v Speaker 1>is just there's a lot of studies and meta studies

0:32:56.320 --> 0:32:59.400
<v Speaker 1>and things, but you know, it's something that bees make

0:32:59.440 --> 0:33:04.120
<v Speaker 1>in nature and that humans collect, so they aren't always

0:33:04.160 --> 0:33:07.040
<v Speaker 1>the most consistent results when it comes to studies, and

0:33:07.080 --> 0:33:09.840
<v Speaker 1>there's so many varieties and so many kinds of bees

0:33:09.960 --> 0:33:12.560
<v Speaker 1>and where they live and then the flowers that they're

0:33:12.600 --> 0:33:17.800
<v Speaker 1>pollinating and getting that nectar from that it's just because

0:33:17.880 --> 0:33:20.920
<v Speaker 1>a study says something, it doesn't mean like that's the end,

0:33:20.960 --> 0:33:21.560
<v Speaker 1>full stop.

0:33:21.640 --> 0:33:24.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, one way or the other, Like didn't find this

0:33:24.360 --> 0:33:28.160
<v Speaker 2>property actually helpful or did Yeah, there just needs to

0:33:28.200 --> 0:33:30.560
<v Speaker 2>be more studying that. Yes, they need to refine the

0:33:31.200 --> 0:33:34.520
<v Speaker 2>study of honey, which I think we're in the in

0:33:34.560 --> 0:33:37.880
<v Speaker 2>the midst of, like right now in this podcast, we're

0:33:37.920 --> 0:33:42.120
<v Speaker 2>helping move it along. I think what about cancer. Cancer

0:33:42.160 --> 0:33:46.120
<v Speaker 2>is another one. They think that basically there's there's properties

0:33:46.120 --> 0:33:50.600
<v Speaker 2>in Honey, that create apoptosis, which is programmed cell death,

0:33:51.200 --> 0:33:56.200
<v Speaker 2>and that they help target cancer tumors to to go

0:33:56.240 --> 0:34:00.440
<v Speaker 2>ahead and die, just die, die, die tumor. And that's

0:34:00.480 --> 0:34:03.880
<v Speaker 2>basically how chemotherapy works in a lot of ways. So, yes,

0:34:03.880 --> 0:34:06.840
<v Speaker 2>it does seem to have some sort of effect on cancer.

0:34:07.200 --> 0:34:10.239
<v Speaker 2>I saw that not only has it been shown to

0:34:10.400 --> 0:34:14.960
<v Speaker 2>work in the lab, like in cell lines of cancer cells,

0:34:15.520 --> 0:34:19.360
<v Speaker 2>but that it's it's had some clinical results as well.

0:34:19.920 --> 0:34:23.600
<v Speaker 2>But apparently when they go after cancer cells, there's something

0:34:23.640 --> 0:34:29.680
<v Speaker 2>that's called blebbing. And blebbing is where a cell gets

0:34:29.719 --> 0:34:32.279
<v Speaker 2>pulled away, like it's membrane gets pulled away from the

0:34:32.280 --> 0:34:36.440
<v Speaker 2>cytoskeleton and there's like a bulge and at that point

0:34:37.160 --> 0:34:39.600
<v Speaker 2>you have what's called blebbing, and that cell is in

0:34:39.719 --> 0:34:44.640
<v Speaker 2>very big trouble. So honey goes after cancer cells and

0:34:44.719 --> 0:34:45.839
<v Speaker 2>makes them bleb.

0:34:46.719 --> 0:34:49.160
<v Speaker 1>Well, you know how I knew it would be something

0:34:49.160 --> 0:34:51.520
<v Speaker 1>that makes you in trouble. What is that? It's called blebbing?

0:34:51.680 --> 0:34:52.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly.

0:34:52.880 --> 0:34:53.640
<v Speaker 1>That can't be good.

0:34:53.800 --> 0:34:57.320
<v Speaker 2>No, oh my god, I'm blebbing. That's not a good sign.

0:34:57.560 --> 0:35:00.000
<v Speaker 1>No would ever say, oh that's fantastic, good for you. Yeah,

0:35:00.160 --> 0:35:05.440
<v Speaker 1>bleb right, you mentioned neurological problems earlier a little bit.

0:35:06.480 --> 0:35:09.160
<v Speaker 1>Obviously this can be a whole host of things, but

0:35:09.719 --> 0:35:12.240
<v Speaker 1>they have found and this is another you know, area

0:35:12.239 --> 0:35:14.520
<v Speaker 1>that there needs to be a lot more testing. But

0:35:14.560 --> 0:35:17.680
<v Speaker 1>the clinical trials have shown some pretty good results in

0:35:17.800 --> 0:35:22.360
<v Speaker 1>things like you know, depression, dementia, in any kind of

0:35:22.440 --> 0:35:27.399
<v Speaker 1>age related like mental neurological deterioration basically, but even things

0:35:27.400 --> 0:35:32.080
<v Speaker 1>like convulsions. They did there was one study in some

0:35:32.080 --> 0:35:36.080
<v Speaker 1>some senior adults that where they had a placebo control

0:35:36.120 --> 0:35:40.400
<v Speaker 1>group which had about four hundred percent greater incidents of

0:35:40.440 --> 0:35:43.800
<v Speaker 1>dementia than the group that took a daily tablespoon of honey.

0:35:43.840 --> 0:35:47.920
<v Speaker 2>That is astounding, that's huge. Yeah, Yeah, that's the kind

0:35:47.920 --> 0:35:50.080
<v Speaker 2>of study where it's like, no, that's the end. Nobody

0:35:50.120 --> 0:35:52.239
<v Speaker 2>else needs to do any more research. Does everybody eat

0:35:52.239 --> 0:35:55.040
<v Speaker 2>a tablespoon of honey? And that's actually that raises a

0:35:55.040 --> 0:35:56.759
<v Speaker 2>good question that a lot of people have. It's like,

0:35:56.760 --> 0:35:59.720
<v Speaker 2>wait a minute, honey is a sweetener. Yes, it's natural,

0:36:00.040 --> 0:36:02.440
<v Speaker 2>but it's got tons of sugar in it. So is

0:36:02.480 --> 0:36:05.439
<v Speaker 2>it really okay to eat a tablespoonful honey a day?

0:36:06.120 --> 0:36:13.040
<v Speaker 2>And the answer is in the West, especially you should yes,

0:36:13.160 --> 0:36:15.319
<v Speaker 2>go ahead and eat a tablespoon of honey a day,

0:36:15.440 --> 0:36:18.960
<v Speaker 2>but make sure that what you're doing is exchanging the

0:36:19.040 --> 0:36:21.560
<v Speaker 2>added sugars that you're eating in your diet normally for

0:36:21.680 --> 0:36:24.080
<v Speaker 2>that tablespoon. Don't just add it to your normal diet.

0:36:24.239 --> 0:36:26.080
<v Speaker 2>Figure out where you can cut down some sugar and

0:36:26.160 --> 0:36:29.160
<v Speaker 2>use honey instead. And yes, you will probably be much

0:36:29.200 --> 0:36:31.000
<v Speaker 2>better off in the long run because sugar is really

0:36:31.040 --> 0:36:32.120
<v Speaker 2>not good for us at all.

0:36:33.200 --> 0:36:35.960
<v Speaker 1>That's great. I think we take our second break here,

0:36:36.600 --> 0:36:40.640
<v Speaker 1>we come back and we talk about honeycombs, grades of honey.

0:36:41.520 --> 0:36:43.000
<v Speaker 1>We still got a lot to go over, so let's

0:36:43.000 --> 0:36:43.360
<v Speaker 1>get to it.

0:36:56.880 --> 0:37:02.239
<v Speaker 3>And stuff with Joshua. Stuff you shine up?

0:37:17.440 --> 0:37:19.759
<v Speaker 2>Okay, check this suddenly turned into a short stuff go.

0:37:21.680 --> 0:37:24.840
<v Speaker 1>Well. I mean we can talk about the honeycomb briefly again.

0:37:24.880 --> 0:37:29.000
<v Speaker 1>That's in our beekeeping episode, in our bee episode and

0:37:29.200 --> 0:37:33.000
<v Speaker 1>with a lot of detail, but basically, you know this,

0:37:33.680 --> 0:37:37.759
<v Speaker 1>the honeycomb is like that hexagonal cell structure that you

0:37:37.800 --> 0:37:41.840
<v Speaker 1>see inside the hive, made of the wax that the

0:37:41.840 --> 0:37:45.920
<v Speaker 1>bees produce, and they you know, they make cells for

0:37:45.960 --> 0:37:48.400
<v Speaker 1>storing honey or for housing that queen and the brood.

0:37:49.000 --> 0:37:51.359
<v Speaker 1>But the important thing as far as the honeycomb goes

0:37:51.520 --> 0:37:55.680
<v Speaker 1>is that humans came along as far as beekeeping is concerned,

0:37:55.719 --> 0:37:58.759
<v Speaker 1>and said, you know, let me build the framing your

0:37:58.760 --> 0:38:00.319
<v Speaker 1>house for you and you can come in and add

0:38:00.360 --> 0:38:05.719
<v Speaker 1>the detail. So we started making these you know, what

0:38:05.760 --> 0:38:06.279
<v Speaker 1>would you call it?

0:38:06.280 --> 0:38:08.480
<v Speaker 2>Like a form a substrate.

0:38:09.760 --> 0:38:14.080
<v Speaker 1>Look at you, which gives the bees a little bit

0:38:14.080 --> 0:38:16.800
<v Speaker 1>of a head start, and then you know the honey

0:38:16.880 --> 0:38:19.840
<v Speaker 1>is in there. They extract that honey in a centrifuge.

0:38:20.760 --> 0:38:26.200
<v Speaker 1>It leaves that honeycomb intact. Although you can get that

0:38:26.320 --> 0:38:28.799
<v Speaker 1>natural honey if you've seen it in the store with

0:38:28.920 --> 0:38:31.439
<v Speaker 1>that or maybe at a farmer's market, local farmer's market

0:38:31.520 --> 0:38:35.239
<v Speaker 1>with a honeycomb floating in that honey, you can you

0:38:35.280 --> 0:38:37.279
<v Speaker 1>can eat that stuff. It's wax is not going to

0:38:37.360 --> 0:38:40.000
<v Speaker 1>hurt you. Yeah, and it probably makes you feel like

0:38:40.320 --> 0:38:41.440
<v Speaker 1>Martha Stewart or something.

0:38:41.560 --> 0:38:43.960
<v Speaker 2>It makes my teeth feel gritty. So I don't like it,

0:38:44.000 --> 0:38:46.040
<v Speaker 2>but I do know that it is edible for sure.

0:38:46.520 --> 0:38:46.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:38:47.000 --> 0:38:48.719
<v Speaker 2>One of the things I saw chuck though, I was like, well,

0:38:48.760 --> 0:38:51.800
<v Speaker 2>wait a minute, if bee keepers are like making basically

0:38:51.840 --> 0:38:56.000
<v Speaker 2>fully formed honeycombs for the bees to use, this is

0:38:56.080 --> 0:38:59.399
<v Speaker 2>going to produce some soft, lazy bees. But it turns out.

0:38:59.400 --> 0:39:01.239
<v Speaker 2>There's actually really good reason to do this, and that

0:39:01.400 --> 0:39:04.360
<v Speaker 2>is that with bees produce their own wax, they have

0:39:04.400 --> 0:39:08.279
<v Speaker 2>to eat honey to produce the wax, and they they

0:39:08.320 --> 0:39:12.560
<v Speaker 2>consume six pounds of honey to make one pound of wax.

0:39:13.000 --> 0:39:16.000
<v Speaker 2>So by giving them the wax to begin with, you're

0:39:16.000 --> 0:39:18.439
<v Speaker 2>saving all of that extra honey. They're just gonna keep

0:39:18.440 --> 0:39:20.960
<v Speaker 2>making that honey and you're gonna get more for it.

0:39:21.360 --> 0:39:23.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, maybe that's one of the reasons we

0:39:23.120 --> 0:39:23.920
<v Speaker 1>have that surplus.

0:39:24.640 --> 0:39:27.200
<v Speaker 2>Probably, I would think. So. Yeah, if you're if you're

0:39:27.280 --> 0:39:29.800
<v Speaker 2>keeping bees and you're not giving them pre formed be

0:39:30.360 --> 0:39:32.240
<v Speaker 2>wax bees wax cells, you're a chump.

0:39:34.719 --> 0:39:37.720
<v Speaker 1>There are lots of different ways to rate or grade honey.

0:39:38.360 --> 0:39:41.080
<v Speaker 1>We're gonna go over a lot of those now, one

0:39:41.080 --> 0:39:44.560
<v Speaker 1>of which is how much it's processed. We talked about

0:39:44.640 --> 0:39:46.759
<v Speaker 1>right out of the hive. It's gonna have some some

0:39:46.840 --> 0:39:50.239
<v Speaker 1>bead legs and pieces of wing, and some yeast in there,

0:39:50.400 --> 0:39:54.160
<v Speaker 1>some bacteria, some pollen, maybe some dust, some honey crystals.

0:39:54.960 --> 0:39:57.480
<v Speaker 1>You know, you generally want to I'm sure they're purists

0:39:57.520 --> 0:39:59.920
<v Speaker 1>that just love that stuff, but if you're selling an

0:40:00.160 --> 0:40:03.680
<v Speaker 1>the story, you probably want to remove some of that

0:40:04.120 --> 0:40:07.200
<v Speaker 1>or a lot of that to make it a food product.

0:40:08.280 --> 0:40:10.560
<v Speaker 1>The other reason why is because if there's something floating

0:40:10.560 --> 0:40:13.840
<v Speaker 1>in your honey, that just gives the honey a solid

0:40:13.840 --> 0:40:20.160
<v Speaker 1>thing in there to crystallize around. And generally the honey

0:40:20.160 --> 0:40:23.799
<v Speaker 1>buying public sees crystallization is like that, I don't want

0:40:23.800 --> 0:40:24.520
<v Speaker 1>to buy that honey.

0:40:24.640 --> 0:40:27.319
<v Speaker 2>I saw that. That was mostly Americans that have an

0:40:27.320 --> 0:40:30.359
<v Speaker 2>aversion to crystallized honey. That doesn't spread me, And it's

0:40:30.400 --> 0:40:33.600
<v Speaker 2>because we think that it's gone bad somehow. And again, yeah,

0:40:33.640 --> 0:40:36.200
<v Speaker 2>all it is is like, yeah, there's been some crystallization

0:40:36.320 --> 0:40:38.080
<v Speaker 2>of the sugars and all you have to do is

0:40:38.120 --> 0:40:40.560
<v Speaker 2>put in a nice tapwater bath and it'll go back.

0:40:40.960 --> 0:40:43.560
<v Speaker 2>But yes, you can just totally eat crystallized honey. There's

0:40:43.600 --> 0:40:48.000
<v Speaker 2>no problem with it whatsoever. But because they know their consumers,

0:40:48.239 --> 0:40:50.480
<v Speaker 2>honey producers are like, we got to get the solids

0:40:50.520 --> 0:40:54.439
<v Speaker 2>out of it, right, So basically any honey you buy

0:40:54.520 --> 0:40:57.600
<v Speaker 2>in the United States is going to have at least

0:40:57.719 --> 0:41:02.560
<v Speaker 2>undergone macro filtering with the un called straining, and what

0:41:02.600 --> 0:41:05.440
<v Speaker 2>that produces is raw honey. It's just they're getting out

0:41:05.480 --> 0:41:08.279
<v Speaker 2>the biggest of the big solids. But then that's it.

0:41:08.320 --> 0:41:11.680
<v Speaker 2>There's no more filtration whatsoever, and it's raw honey, which

0:41:11.719 --> 0:41:16.360
<v Speaker 2>is a bit of a misnomer because every honey type

0:41:16.640 --> 0:41:20.760
<v Speaker 2>that isn't pasteurized, and pasteurized honey is just one small subset.

0:41:21.080 --> 0:41:23.759
<v Speaker 2>Every other type of honey is technically raw honey. It's

0:41:23.760 --> 0:41:26.759
<v Speaker 2>not been heated, there's nothing that's been killed off in it.

0:41:26.760 --> 0:41:29.520
<v Speaker 2>It's all still raw. But I think what they're basically

0:41:29.640 --> 0:41:32.799
<v Speaker 2>using the word raw for is like rustic honey.

0:41:32.880 --> 0:41:36.600
<v Speaker 1>Right, yeah, I agree. You mentioned pastorization, we might as

0:41:36.600 --> 0:41:39.960
<v Speaker 1>well talk about that. I looked it up. I was like,

0:41:39.960 --> 0:41:43.200
<v Speaker 1>why would you pasteurize honey, because you typically think of

0:41:43.239 --> 0:41:47.719
<v Speaker 1>pasturization for more of like a dairy product. It's basically

0:41:47.880 --> 0:41:51.680
<v Speaker 1>just there is no reason to do it that I found,

0:41:51.719 --> 0:41:55.200
<v Speaker 1>other than making it look and like pour out of

0:41:55.239 --> 0:42:01.000
<v Speaker 1>the bottle or jar or whatever more freely. It's smoother.

0:42:01.160 --> 0:42:04.799
<v Speaker 1>Apparently it's going to alter the flavor, obviously, because you're

0:42:04.840 --> 0:42:08.359
<v Speaker 1>heating this honey up. Yeah, but that's that's the only

0:42:08.360 --> 0:42:10.280
<v Speaker 1>thing I found why you would pasteurize honey.

0:42:10.680 --> 0:42:13.719
<v Speaker 2>I saw that, you know, honey has all these anti microbial,

0:42:13.760 --> 0:42:16.279
<v Speaker 2>anti viral properties. That doesn't mean there's no such thing

0:42:16.360 --> 0:42:19.880
<v Speaker 2>as bacteria in honey. Or there's no such thing as mold.

0:42:19.920 --> 0:42:22.840
<v Speaker 2>Spores in honey, and mold in particular can cause honey

0:42:22.880 --> 0:42:26.279
<v Speaker 2>to ferment slightly. Again, nothing wrong with that, It's totally fine.

0:42:26.320 --> 0:42:29.160
<v Speaker 2>You basically just have a free little mini shot of

0:42:29.280 --> 0:42:32.680
<v Speaker 2>mead right there in your honey. But people don't like

0:42:32.719 --> 0:42:34.840
<v Speaker 2>that kind of thing, so I think pasturizing it kills

0:42:34.880 --> 0:42:37.920
<v Speaker 2>off any of those potential microbes or yeast or mold

0:42:38.000 --> 0:42:38.440
<v Speaker 2>or anything.

0:42:39.239 --> 0:42:45.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm at a hippie once and I think West Virginia

0:42:45.560 --> 0:42:47.120
<v Speaker 1>that made his own meat. I think I might have

0:42:47.160 --> 0:42:48.839
<v Speaker 1>told the story before, but he gave me some meat.

0:42:49.000 --> 0:42:52.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, somebody mailed us meat years and years and years ago.

0:42:52.400 --> 0:42:54.120
<v Speaker 2>Is the only meat I've ever had in my life.

0:42:54.760 --> 0:42:55.399
<v Speaker 1>I'm not a fan.

0:42:56.080 --> 0:42:58.520
<v Speaker 2>It was it was fine. Yeah, It's not something I

0:42:58.520 --> 0:43:01.160
<v Speaker 2>could drink regularly or any like that. But yeah, if

0:43:01.200 --> 0:43:03.719
<v Speaker 2>I were in West Virginia wearing nothing but a pair

0:43:03.800 --> 0:43:05.959
<v Speaker 2>of overalls, I can probably drink a little meat.

0:43:07.239 --> 0:43:08.960
<v Speaker 1>This is a nice guy, despite the fact that he

0:43:09.000 --> 0:43:13.239
<v Speaker 1>was a fishman. I'm getting killed for knocking fish, by

0:43:13.239 --> 0:43:13.720
<v Speaker 1>the way.

0:43:13.680 --> 0:43:15.240
<v Speaker 2>Just keep it up though, it doesn't matter.

0:43:17.680 --> 0:43:19.120
<v Speaker 1>Well, you know what's funny is all the people that

0:43:19.160 --> 0:43:21.360
<v Speaker 1>have written in are trying to talk me into liking fish.

0:43:21.480 --> 0:43:24.120
<v Speaker 2>Right, They're like, surely you clearly haven't listened to fish

0:43:24.160 --> 0:43:25.680
<v Speaker 2>and you don't know what you're talking about.

0:43:25.800 --> 0:43:28.359
<v Speaker 1>It they do it. It's all almost verbatim. It's funny.

0:43:28.400 --> 0:43:32.719
<v Speaker 1>It's almost like the talking points they shared. But I

0:43:32.760 --> 0:43:34.759
<v Speaker 1>know fish fans wouldn't share talking points. It's not the

0:43:34.800 --> 0:43:40.319
<v Speaker 1>fish way. Way back to the filtering, we're jumping back

0:43:40.360 --> 0:43:44.520
<v Speaker 1>to the other the USDA designation, which is filtered honey,

0:43:45.000 --> 0:43:48.279
<v Speaker 1>and that is basically just more filtering. The filters are

0:43:48.280 --> 0:43:52.200
<v Speaker 1>finer and it's gonna remove almost all those solids that

0:43:52.239 --> 0:43:55.320
<v Speaker 1>you're gonna see. And it probably does require some heating

0:43:55.360 --> 0:43:57.759
<v Speaker 1>because to get through those filters, you gotta have it

0:43:57.800 --> 0:44:00.000
<v Speaker 1>a little more viscous or less viscous.

0:44:00.280 --> 0:44:03.879
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, a little bit. But if you're ultrafiltering, not only

0:44:03.920 --> 0:44:05.600
<v Speaker 2>do you have to warm it up, you combine it

0:44:05.640 --> 0:44:08.480
<v Speaker 2>with a lot of water. Yeah, because you're pushing it

0:44:08.520 --> 0:44:14.000
<v Speaker 2>through not quite reverse osmosis membranes, but something not too

0:44:14.040 --> 0:44:16.960
<v Speaker 2>far off where it is getting everything out of the honey.

0:44:17.320 --> 0:44:20.000
<v Speaker 2>So much so the USCA says, this isn't honey. You

0:44:20.040 --> 0:44:21.280
<v Speaker 2>can't call it honey honey.

0:44:21.360 --> 0:44:22.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's crazy.

0:44:22.280 --> 0:44:25.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So there's another way to basically achieve the same

0:44:25.920 --> 0:44:30.880
<v Speaker 2>end without blasting it through a ultra filtered membrane, and

0:44:30.960 --> 0:44:36.080
<v Speaker 2>that's using diatomaceous earth. And diatoms are fossilized microalgae with

0:44:36.200 --> 0:44:39.520
<v Speaker 2>silica shells and this is the shells left over, and

0:44:39.560 --> 0:44:44.680
<v Speaker 2>they are super tiny, but they pick up even tinier particles.

0:44:44.719 --> 0:44:46.960
<v Speaker 2>They are attracted to them. They get stuck in the shells,

0:44:47.239 --> 0:44:50.879
<v Speaker 2>and then you filter out the diatoms, and then you've

0:44:50.920 --> 0:44:53.439
<v Speaker 2>also filtered out the stuff even further, so you don't

0:44:53.440 --> 0:44:56.440
<v Speaker 2>have to use quite as fine a filter because the

0:44:56.520 --> 0:44:59.560
<v Speaker 2>diatoms have sucked up all the stuff that would have

0:44:59.719 --> 0:45:02.480
<v Speaker 2>passed through that filter that's catching the diet toms. Does

0:45:02.480 --> 0:45:02.879
<v Speaker 2>that make.

0:45:02.840 --> 0:45:07.120
<v Speaker 1>Sense, Yeah, and it's pretty amazing. You might remember diatamacious

0:45:07.120 --> 0:45:10.320
<v Speaker 1>earth from our cockroach episode because that's the stuff that

0:45:10.360 --> 0:45:13.120
<v Speaker 1>you can spread around that they eat that kills them

0:45:13.120 --> 0:45:14.000
<v Speaker 1>from the inside out.

0:45:14.160 --> 0:45:16.360
<v Speaker 2>It also drives fleas out too. If you have a

0:45:16.400 --> 0:45:19.480
<v Speaker 2>flea problem, you can spread dietamacious earth on your carpet

0:45:19.520 --> 0:45:20.239
<v Speaker 2>in it will help.

0:45:20.840 --> 0:45:24.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I've been through that. We talked about spun honey

0:45:24.719 --> 0:45:28.040
<v Speaker 1>already and just want to reiterate that spun honey or

0:45:28.160 --> 0:45:31.439
<v Speaker 1>cream honey or whipped honey. It's all the same thing,

0:45:31.440 --> 0:45:34.160
<v Speaker 1>and it still doesn't lose any of those helpful properties.

0:45:35.000 --> 0:45:37.360
<v Speaker 1>You can also rate honey by a color, of course,

0:45:38.760 --> 0:45:41.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, honey has a great range of color, and

0:45:41.640 --> 0:45:45.400
<v Speaker 1>they you know, technically it's called optical density, but what

0:45:45.520 --> 0:45:48.600
<v Speaker 1>they use the fund color scale.

0:45:49.080 --> 0:45:53.080
<v Speaker 2>I think it's fund no really like fister, the fabulous

0:45:53.080 --> 0:45:54.200
<v Speaker 2>faucet with a funny name.

0:45:54.600 --> 0:45:56.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but I always say puffister just because I think

0:45:56.400 --> 0:45:56.840
<v Speaker 1>it's funny.

0:45:56.840 --> 0:45:59.160
<v Speaker 2>Okay, well, then yes, this would definitely be fun.

0:46:00.080 --> 0:46:03.200
<v Speaker 1>And this is a scale from zero, which is water

0:46:03.239 --> 0:46:06.319
<v Speaker 1>white all the way to one fourteen and above, which

0:46:06.360 --> 0:46:09.399
<v Speaker 1>is dark amber, very nice. And then what's the deal

0:46:09.440 --> 0:46:10.280
<v Speaker 1>with organic honey?

0:46:10.360 --> 0:46:13.160
<v Speaker 2>So organic honey is a different type of classification. Any

0:46:13.200 --> 0:46:17.600
<v Speaker 2>of the stuff we've talked about, ultrafiltered, pasteurized, raw, microfiltered, creamed,

0:46:18.000 --> 0:46:21.600
<v Speaker 2>all of that stuff could also be organic honey basically

0:46:21.680 --> 0:46:26.320
<v Speaker 2>as long as the organic techniques that the USDA requires

0:46:26.360 --> 0:46:30.920
<v Speaker 2>we're used to create the honey, and also on the

0:46:30.960 --> 0:46:35.080
<v Speaker 2>plants that the bees are harvesting nectar from.

0:46:35.520 --> 0:46:35.920
<v Speaker 1>That's right.

0:46:36.320 --> 0:46:38.560
<v Speaker 2>So that's it. So from what I can tell based

0:46:38.600 --> 0:46:43.200
<v Speaker 2>on all this information, grade A raw organic honey is

0:46:43.280 --> 0:46:46.439
<v Speaker 2>probably top of the pops for anybody.

0:46:46.440 --> 0:46:49.040
<v Speaker 1>Top of the pops. And then when it comes to flavors,

0:46:50.040 --> 0:46:52.080
<v Speaker 1>this is where we get into sort of the last piece.

0:46:52.160 --> 0:46:56.319
<v Speaker 1>We mention monofloral. The other end of the spectrum would

0:46:56.320 --> 0:46:59.719
<v Speaker 1>be multifloral, and that is just simply what these bees

0:46:59.760 --> 0:47:03.480
<v Speaker 1>are flowering on or what they're what kind of flowers

0:47:03.480 --> 0:47:07.000
<v Speaker 1>they're dancing with. Sure, if they're dancing with one flower,

0:47:07.120 --> 0:47:10.480
<v Speaker 1>and you know, ed points out bees or bees, so

0:47:10.680 --> 0:47:12.680
<v Speaker 1>it may be hard to make sure that's the only thing,

0:47:12.719 --> 0:47:17.320
<v Speaker 1>but us they are. If it's labeled monoploral honey, that

0:47:17.360 --> 0:47:20.840
<v Speaker 1>probably means that they have this. A farm has planted

0:47:20.920 --> 0:47:24.560
<v Speaker 1>a very very large area of one thing, so it's

0:47:24.719 --> 0:47:27.160
<v Speaker 1>really likely that the bee is eating almost all of that.

0:47:28.120 --> 0:47:31.000
<v Speaker 1>Or you can like the wildflowre honey, it's just multiflorals, like, hey,

0:47:31.000 --> 0:47:34.799
<v Speaker 1>whatever's in the area, have at it. There can be

0:47:34.880 --> 0:47:39.720
<v Speaker 1>different flavors, but it's not exactly like there are notes

0:47:39.840 --> 0:47:42.600
<v Speaker 1>of things. It's not like if you eat orange blossom honey,

0:47:42.960 --> 0:47:44.560
<v Speaker 1>it tastes like you square to orange in it, but

0:47:44.920 --> 0:47:47.200
<v Speaker 1>there will be like notes of citrus and things like that.

0:47:47.239 --> 0:47:49.800
<v Speaker 2>I actually saw on a site of different types of

0:47:49.840 --> 0:47:52.280
<v Speaker 2>honey that they warn you that if your orange blossom

0:47:52.320 --> 0:47:56.239
<v Speaker 2>honey smells like orange fragrance, then you've got some sort

0:47:56.280 --> 0:47:59.359
<v Speaker 2>of fake honey, that it's being counterfeit in some way.

0:47:59.400 --> 0:48:01.120
<v Speaker 2>It's not like that, like you said, it's notes, but

0:48:01.440 --> 0:48:04.920
<v Speaker 2>Warren's blossom honey is citrusy notes. Pumpkin blossom honey has

0:48:04.960 --> 0:48:12.080
<v Speaker 2>pumpkinny notes. I think sour wood is herbal and woodsy

0:48:12.480 --> 0:48:16.080
<v Speaker 2>or no, that's oh, what is that, Chuck Linden. Linden

0:48:16.120 --> 0:48:19.760
<v Speaker 2>honey herbal and woodsy. Eucalyptus honey has like a slight

0:48:19.880 --> 0:48:24.239
<v Speaker 2>menthol note to it. Buckwheat honey. I don't think I've

0:48:24.280 --> 0:48:26.680
<v Speaker 2>ever had it, but it's almost like black in color.

0:48:26.760 --> 0:48:31.719
<v Speaker 2>It's definitely the dark amber side of the fun scale.

0:48:32.120 --> 0:48:34.120
<v Speaker 2>But it also has like kind of like a slight

0:48:34.320 --> 0:48:37.280
<v Speaker 2>bitter note to it too. I want to try it.

0:48:37.280 --> 0:48:39.839
<v Speaker 2>It sounds almost like tortuous, but I would still try.

0:48:39.920 --> 0:48:41.920
<v Speaker 2>I'll try basically any honey at least once.

0:48:42.440 --> 0:48:45.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And they're all kinds of great honey, sort of

0:48:45.400 --> 0:48:47.600
<v Speaker 1>like flavored honeys, and the honey is still in it,

0:48:47.640 --> 0:48:50.160
<v Speaker 1>so it's still great for you and delicious, but like

0:48:50.480 --> 0:48:54.280
<v Speaker 1>bourbon honeys and like sort of spicy chili pepper honey

0:48:54.280 --> 0:48:57.520
<v Speaker 1>and stuff like that, all sorts of delicious things out there.

0:48:58.160 --> 0:48:59.719
<v Speaker 1>One of our favorite things to do is go to

0:48:59.760 --> 0:49:03.800
<v Speaker 1>the our local farm co op and get that local honey,

0:49:04.560 --> 0:49:06.400
<v Speaker 1>and you know, costs a little bit more. But like

0:49:06.440 --> 0:49:09.080
<v Speaker 1>they're doing the right thing and not like Will Ferrell

0:49:09.200 --> 0:49:10.680
<v Speaker 1>and Lebron James. Did you see that?

0:49:11.280 --> 0:49:12.440
<v Speaker 2>Did they get into honey?

0:49:13.400 --> 0:49:16.040
<v Speaker 1>They are. Actually it's a pretty cool thing. They partnered

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<v Speaker 1>along with some other celebrities with a company called Flamingo Estate,

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<v Speaker 1>which is listed here as an urban farm and lifestyle brand. Okay, selles,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, all kinds of stuff, urban straw hats, but

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<v Speaker 1>they serve curated farm boxes. But what they've done is,

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<v Speaker 1>I think they've gone to some of these celebrities who

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<v Speaker 1>have large properties and said, hey, how'd you like your

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<v Speaker 1>own honey we can make we can keep bees on

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<v Speaker 1>your property and it will be called Will Ferrell honey

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<v Speaker 1>and it'll cost two hundred and fifty dollars a jar. No,

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<v Speaker 1>but it goes to charity.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, they've pulled it out at the end there. You

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<v Speaker 2>know where they should go is the Magnum's estate. He

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<v Speaker 2>has big avocado farms and apparently, yeah, and apparently avocado

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<v Speaker 2>honey is a thing too.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, interesting, Before we.

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<v Speaker 2>End this, chuck, if you'll indulge me, I just wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to rattle off the properties that have been found among

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<v Speaker 2>some of the compounds that you find in honey. If

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<v Speaker 2>you're indulge me, you're ready that these compounds found in

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<v Speaker 2>honey are shown to possess these properties antibacterial, anti viral, antifungal, antioxidant,

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<v Speaker 2>anti inflammatory, anti neoplastic, antimicrobial, anti carcinogen, anti arrhythmic, anti leash, menial, antithrombotic,

0:50:40.040 --> 0:50:48.040
<v Speaker 2>anti mutinogenic, mutagenic, anti nosusceptive, anti mycobacterial, anti proliferative, and

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<v Speaker 2>immune boosting properties, not to mention that it's hypocholesteroemic, cardioprotective,

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<v Speaker 2>anti hypertensive, hepatoprotective, hypoglycemic, and neuroprotective, nephro protective, gastro protective,

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<v Speaker 2>so on, so forth, And it can improve sperm count

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<v Speaker 2>and their motility and protects against vaginal and uterine atrophy.

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<v Speaker 2>Plus it improves the normal estros cycle.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, isn't that amazing? That's did you say antichrist in there?

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<v Speaker 2>I think so it's miraculous, but in like the reverse manner,

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<v Speaker 2>uh huh, you got anything else?

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<v Speaker 1>I have nothing else.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't either, and that means, of course, everybody, it's

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<v Speaker 2>time for listener mail.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to make this one very short because I

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<v Speaker 1>just wanted to shout out that we got a I

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<v Speaker 1>got an email from well, we got one from our

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<v Speaker 1>old buddy, Aaron Mazelle, who helps pet up the stuff

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<v Speaker 1>you should know. Five K.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm glad you thought of this.

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<v Speaker 1>But Aaron, I think, was trying to locate this English

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<v Speaker 1>professor that taught my Shakespeare class. I don't think she

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<v Speaker 1>landed on it, but someone else did and said, was

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<v Speaker 1>it doctor Vance? And I was like, oh, it totally was.

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<v Speaker 1>As soon as I heard the name, I remembered, and

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<v Speaker 1>I believe Aaron though or now I feel bad because

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<v Speaker 1>I can't remember if it was Aaron or the other

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<v Speaker 1>person who wrote in was still in touch with doctor Vance,

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<v Speaker 1>got in touch with him and said, hey, Chuck took

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<v Speaker 1>your classes. You may have even taken some classes from vants.

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<v Speaker 4>Who knows?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you remember me?

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<v Speaker 2>No?

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't, Okay, Oh I guess so I was an

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<v Speaker 1>English major, so I was always over there. But doctor

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<v Speaker 1>Vance send in an email which I haven't responded to,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm going to do that today. It said, Chuck,

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<v Speaker 1>can't tell you how honored I was by your remarks

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<v Speaker 1>on the podcast. I thank you so very much. All

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<v Speaker 1>was well here, loving retirement, traveling grandchildren. And here's my

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<v Speaker 1>website in case you want to see what I've been publishing.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think everyone should go check it out. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a mystery thriller's literary horror, humorous romance, historical fiction. Wow,

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<v Speaker 1>all kinds of fun stuff and you can find all

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<v Speaker 1>this at author John Vance dot com.

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<v Speaker 2>Very nice. That was short, and Chuck appropriately sweet for

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<v Speaker 2>this episode.

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<v Speaker 4>Good stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>That was nice. Man, got a pat on your head

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<v Speaker 2>from your old English teacher.

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<v Speaker 1>He was the best. Man had a you know, one

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<v Speaker 1>of the few college professors who really impacted me.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like Robin Williams.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, don't get that joke.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't no from oh dead Boats? Yes, Okay, thank

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<v Speaker 2>you for saying that, because I was about to say,

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<v Speaker 2>from oh Captain, my captain.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a working title.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you want to be like doctor Vance and

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<v Speaker 2>let us know how retirement's going for you, you can

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