Speaker 1: All right, everybody, Chuck here wrapping up our Thankspring playlist
Speaker 1: with number ten all about Honey, Honey colon Nature's Wonder Sugar.
Speaker 1: And if you think you knew a thing or two
Speaker 1: about honey, think again, because this is some honey centric
Speaker 1: goodness and you're gonna learn a lot of stuff that
Speaker 1: you never knew about honey. For instance, you can put
Speaker 1: it on toast with butter and it's delicious. So I
Speaker 1: hope everyone enjoys Honey, Nature's Wonder Sugar. Welcome to Stuff
Speaker 1: you Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2: Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, there's Chuck.
Speaker 2: Jerry's here barely and this is stuff you should know.
Speaker 1: Well, we should explain what that means. It's very gi
Speaker 1: us and strange sound. Jerry had a poor internet connection,
Speaker 1: was a few minutes late. That's it. She's barely here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, mystery solved, Joel.
Speaker 1: It feels tenuous too.
Speaker 2: That she's just barely hanging on by her fingernails.
Speaker 1: Well, no, I think I don't know. That internet connection
Speaker 1: just sounded dodgy.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. She came in like Houston, we
Speaker 2: have a problem.
Speaker 1: You know that internet connection.
Speaker 2: Sound right, sounds like Apaulla thirteen.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty excited about this one.
Speaker 2: Me too. I even ate some honey for lunch today.
Speaker 1: I had a little dab atrey at Brecky Okay, which
Speaker 1: I don't usually eat, but I ate another toast with
Speaker 1: a spun honey spread.
Speaker 2: Good for you, man. So spun honey? Are you talking
Speaker 2: about the creamed honey? Is that what I'm hearing now?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Creamed spun or I think there's one more word
Speaker 1: for it, but we always called it spun honey growing up,
Speaker 1: and boy is it good. And guess what it is
Speaker 1: just as helpful. It has just as many helpful properties
Speaker 1: as regular honey. It doesn't spinning it or the process
Speaker 1: of getting it too. That state doesn't change it at all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like honey in a different format. Like if
Speaker 2: you had a really great song, like play that funky
Speaker 2: music white Boy, and you had it on eight track,
Speaker 2: but you also had it on record. It's the same song.
Speaker 2: It's just in two different formats, right, Yeah, same thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like that.
Speaker 2: I really disliked that song though.
Speaker 1: I really do too, actually, although they.
Speaker 2: Have a great memory of it. I guess sometime around
Speaker 2: Piedmont Park. It must have been Saint Patrick's Day. This
Speaker 2: like car full of dudes came up. They were wearing
Speaker 2: like green wigs and everything. They were ready to throw
Speaker 2: down for Saint Patrick's Day. And they were blaring that
Speaker 2: song and like everybody in the car was singing it,
Speaker 2: having like the best time.
Speaker 1: And then it totally was.
Speaker 2: And then as they got out of the car, all
Speaker 2: of them are like just like booging down the street,
Speaker 2: still like to the bar, and one of them like
Speaker 2: stopped kind of and like turned around and made eye
Speaker 2: contact with me. Was I think he'll be embarrassed for
Speaker 2: the rest of his life about that. I didn't even
Speaker 2: stare him down. He just he initiated that embarrassing situation.
Speaker 1: So you could tell he felt some shame because you
Speaker 1: were just looking at him.
Speaker 2: A little bit and again not staring them down. You
Speaker 2: know me, I'll stare somebody down, but not these guys.
Speaker 2: Was this was he initiated it.
Speaker 1: But hey, good for them.
Speaker 2: I bet they had a blast, So, honey, I think
Speaker 2: is what we were originally talking about, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And the Grabster helped us with this one. And
Speaker 1: this was my commission because Emily is very much into
Speaker 1: you know, she's gotten very much into her herbs and
Speaker 1: growing herbs and spices, natural remedies and things, and honey
Speaker 1: is a big part of that. And although we are
Speaker 1: not be keeping yet, that could be on the docket
Speaker 1: for us.
Speaker 2: I hope, so, man, I think beekeeping is one of
Speaker 2: the neatest things you can do. I'll bet it's so relaxing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's interested in it, and so that might happen.
Speaker 2: Tell me how it goes. If she does that, I
Speaker 2: will Okay, yeah, I'll follow it. We've actually done an
Speaker 2: entire episode on beekeeping. It was one of our best
Speaker 2: if you ask me, certainly our most homespun episode by far.
Speaker 2: So we're not going to talk too much about beekeeping,
Speaker 2: but you pretty much can't discuss honey without also talking
Speaker 2: at least a little bit about beekeeping. It's so beekeeping adjacent. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it would be weird to not mention it. But I
Speaker 2: just want to say, if you have not heard our
Speaker 2: beekeeping episode, or you haven't heard it in a while,
Speaker 2: go listen to it because it's a really, really good app.
Speaker 1: Did we do bees and beekeeping?
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, we've done bees. Beekeeping now honey.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and one of our TV show episodes was about bees.
Speaker 1: It was one of the sillier episodes.
Speaker 2: I think it was. I note that episode.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's probably what was silly. I think you had
Speaker 1: a good eye for the absurd for that show. And
Speaker 1: it's a lot and in a complimentary way.
Speaker 2: Oh I took it that way.
Speaker 1: Okay. I love absurdist comedy and you nailed it.
Speaker 2: So let's talk a little bit about honey. Ed helped
Speaker 2: us with this one. I think you just said, and
Speaker 2: I think he did about the best most clinical description
Speaker 2: of honey that you could possibly come up with.
Speaker 1: Where's that was that? Like? His definition?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean he talks about basically what honey is
Speaker 2: and how it's made.
Speaker 1: Oh so you just saying start from take it from
Speaker 1: the top basically.
Speaker 2: But I thought the way he did it was like,
Speaker 2: here's here. It's totally unambiguous. Yeah, completely understandable, agreed, and
Speaker 2: it's just a it's a good descriptor of honey and
Speaker 2: how it's made.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is this is good stuff by the Grabster.
Speaker 1: So yeah, a bit of a refresher though. But we
Speaker 1: all know that bees like to fly around to different
Speaker 1: flowers and stick their face in them and dance all
Speaker 1: over them and do kind of fun things. And there
Speaker 1: is a sugary liquid called nectar in flowering plants, and
Speaker 1: bees are wild about the stuff for a lot of reasons.
Speaker 1: One reason is, like you know, sometimes they just drink it,
Speaker 1: Like they want to save that stuff and what's called
Speaker 1: their crop or their honey stomach to bring back to
Speaker 1: the hive. That's their main job. But when they're out
Speaker 1: there working all day, they're also like, let me take
Speaker 1: a little bit of this sweet stuff down for me.
Speaker 2: I wonder if there's any bees out there seriously that
Speaker 2: have like a bit of a problem with nectar.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it goes from one for me, three for you,
Speaker 1: to three for me, one for.
Speaker 2: You kind of. I wonder if there's some that like
Speaker 2: just kind of drink it more than others. There's gotta
Speaker 2: be maybe sure, yeah, so yes. But for the most part,
Speaker 2: when they're out there harvesting and foraging for nectar, they're
Speaker 2: using their crop a honey stomach, which they can store
Speaker 2: I think a thousand flowers worth of nectar in that
Speaker 2: is a lot. A lot is nectar, which is weird
Speaker 2: because I saw that it can grow to about one
Speaker 2: hundred times at size so a hundred times it's a
Speaker 2: niche size holding a thousand flowers worth of nectar. That's
Speaker 2: just a that's a very efficient organ and it just
Speaker 2: sits there. It's not doing anything. It's not digesting, it's
Speaker 2: just basically for carrying back to the high.
Speaker 1: By the way, I had the most amazing dad joke
Speaker 1: that I failed to tell.
Speaker 2: What was it?
Speaker 1: Should I tell it now? Of course when you said
Speaker 1: it just popped into my head. That's why. That's why
Speaker 1: I know that I'm just on the way down comedically.
Speaker 2: Well, that means the podcast is on the way down too, Oh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. Okay, you were talking about the bees
Speaker 1: having the problem with drinking too much, honey, I said, well,
Speaker 1: you know, they could always just go to a bb meeting.
Speaker 2: Oh boy, that was good. That wasn't bad. That was
Speaker 2: a really good one.
Speaker 1: I don't know, all right, Well, I would love to
Speaker 1: hear from people terrible or borderline genius.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, I'm registering the first vote, and I'm going
Speaker 2: to say somewhere in the middle of those.
Speaker 1: It's about to say there is no in between, but
Speaker 1: of course there is. Okay, all right, So where'd you
Speaker 1: leave off with eating pollen?
Speaker 2: That they take the nectar back to their nest, their.
Speaker 1: Hot Oh okay, well, then I'll chime in here with
Speaker 1: a pollen party. Bees are obviously accidentally transferring this pollen,
Speaker 1: but you know, some of this pollen is getting eaten
Speaker 1: and mixed in with that honey too because they love
Speaker 1: it because it's got protein and fat. And so what
Speaker 1: you end up with when you go back to the
Speaker 1: hive is a gut or crop or a honey stomach
Speaker 1: full of this nectar, a little bit of pollen. There's
Speaker 1: probably like just dusting things from the air, and they
Speaker 1: start puking it up into each other's mouths, chewing on it,
Speaker 1: some puking it around, transferring it to one another until
Speaker 1: it's ready for storage, right, which sounds gross it is,
Speaker 1: But Ed.
Speaker 2: Makes a really good point here that they're not actually
Speaker 2: it's not actually bee vomit. Honey's not bee vomiting. I've
Speaker 2: said that before, So I think I'm kind of being
Speaker 2: inadvertently taken to task by ED, because again, did you
Speaker 2: really Oh yeah, definitely, I've said that every chance I've
Speaker 2: ever had. But the the again, the the bee crop,
Speaker 2: the honey crop is not digesting. So what they're regurgitating
Speaker 2: is virtually the same thing that's going in, so it's
Speaker 2: not really puke, it's just something else. But yes, they
Speaker 2: are transferring it from mouth to mouth, and as each
Speaker 2: bee takes another mouthful of nectar and then passes it around,
Speaker 2: they're chewing it for a little bit. And one of
Speaker 2: the things they're doing is absorbing some of the moisture inside.
Speaker 2: They're also mixing in their own enzymes, and what they're
Speaker 2: doing in that sense, they're they're transforming nectar into honey.
Speaker 2: So honey is a mixture of b enzymes, flower, nectar, pollen,
Speaker 2: and that's dehydrated and combines to form brand new compounds.
Speaker 2: And that's that's what honey is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and as we'll see there there can be other
Speaker 1: thing things in there because it's nature and these are
Speaker 1: sort of messy, all the beautiful processes. So as you'll
Speaker 1: see when we talk about like completely raw, unfiltered honey,
Speaker 1: there may be some bee legs in there and some
Speaker 1: other little beef, but there may be a piece of
Speaker 1: a wing because you know, this is just how things
Speaker 1: go out there in the wild.
Speaker 2: And sometimes some bees have really bad days.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's when they go to the bebe meetings.
Speaker 2: So there's another way that what we've been talking about
Speaker 2: is blossom honey what most people think of when they
Speaker 2: think of honey. There's actually one other way to make honey.
Speaker 2: And do you remember in our Aunt episode where ants
Speaker 2: are ranchers of aphids, and the aphids suck the juice
Speaker 2: out of plants and produce honeydew. Well, bees go find
Speaker 2: that honeydew in some cases and can actually make honey
Speaker 2: from the sap of the stems, leaves and like bark
Speaker 2: of trees and other plants, and they basically harvest that
Speaker 2: like they harvest nectar from flowers. And so there's a
Speaker 2: there's an entirely different way to produce honey that comes
Speaker 2: straight from the plant, not even from the flowers, and
Speaker 2: that's called honeydew.
Speaker 1: Honey, honeydew, honey. Have you ever had that?
Speaker 2: I don't think I have. I was looking it up
Speaker 2: to see what some types of honeydew honey are and
Speaker 2: I couldn't find many, and nothing that I found sounded
Speaker 2: like anything I've had before.
Speaker 1: Okay, we should point out that not all bees produce honey. Obviously,
Speaker 1: there are a lot of different species of bees and
Speaker 1: we went over those in great detail in the b episode.
Speaker 1: But the honey bee is from the genus APIs, and
Speaker 1: there are some other bees that do make honey, but
Speaker 1: like the chief honey bee is the western honeybee. This
Speaker 1: is the stud when it comes to making great honey.
Speaker 1: This is the one we domesticated. This is the one
Speaker 1: that makes so much honey. They have enough for them,
Speaker 1: they have enough for us, and everybody is happy basically,
Speaker 1: which is one of the things I love about beekeeping.
Speaker 1: It seems like one of the geez few things where
Speaker 1: we extract something from nature for ourselves where there's enough
Speaker 1: to go around, and if you do it in the
Speaker 1: right way, it doesn't harm the thing that gave it
Speaker 1: to you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is kind of a beautiful thing about it.
Speaker 2: And as we'll see, the fact that honey exists is
Speaker 2: kind of miraculous. And that's just kind of like the
Speaker 2: cherry on the top, chuck, that we can harvest honey
Speaker 2: without harming or the bees or taking some of their
Speaker 2: head stash for us, like just make a little extra
Speaker 2: for us and we can take that. I think it's
Speaker 2: wonderful too.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, you know, you mentioned we have a whole
Speaker 1: episode on beekeeping. But as a short refresher, this has
Speaker 1: been happening for a long time. People were collecting honey,
Speaker 1: you know, in the Mesolithic period, so there are like
Speaker 1: cave drawings that depict this stuff. So we've always liked
Speaker 1: the honey as huge umans. And then you know, there's
Speaker 1: a belief that it may have, just like beekeeping, may
Speaker 1: have happened by accident, when a hive maybe set up
Speaker 1: in a jar or basket or something that was outside
Speaker 1: at somebody's place and they went, hey, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: like this awesome honey is now in this jar on
Speaker 1: my back porch, Like I wonder if we could do
Speaker 1: this like intentionally and do it on purpose, and they
Speaker 1: kind of just started doing it. That's what the thought
Speaker 1: is at least.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they think that originally maybe some of the earliest,
Speaker 2: earliest artificial hives were some sort of clay pod or
Speaker 2: something that they repurposed for that. Sometimes maybe they came
Speaker 2: across a hive and they're like, this is pretty firmly
Speaker 2: attached to this stick. I'm just gonna take the whole
Speaker 2: stick home with me.
Speaker 1: I hope farm it like that.
Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, there's regardless at some point, somebody probably
Speaker 2: just stumbled upon this and then in very short order
Speaker 2: it started to spread. They think that bee keeping at
Speaker 2: least goes back about five thousand years ago. There's evidence
Speaker 2: of it in Egypt, the Indus Valley, and Mesopotamia, and
Speaker 2: then China. About eight hundred years after that evidence of
Speaker 2: beekeeping starts up, and you would guess the people of
Speaker 2: China and the people of Mesopotamia may not have been
Speaker 2: in contact at the same time or at that time.
Speaker 2: So it's really possible that beekeeping just kind of independently
Speaker 2: grew up or evolved in different societies and cultures around
Speaker 2: the world independently.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it was something because you're using like clay
Speaker 1: jars and things like you were saying you didn't need
Speaker 1: to forge a metal. It wasn't super expensive. It was
Speaker 1: something that there was a low barrier to entry, I
Speaker 1: guess is what you would say these days. Yeah, totally so,
Speaker 1: and it was really delicious and as we'll soon find out,
Speaker 1: super beneficial. So it became a big deal.
Speaker 2: Yeah. One of the earliest artificial hives is still pretty
Speaker 2: much the symbol for a beehive. If you look at
Speaker 2: any a a milm winnie, the Pooh Illustrations. Yeah, like
Speaker 2: it's called it's it's basically a cone, a baskety cone
Speaker 2: turned upside down. So you take an ice cream cone,
Speaker 2: turn it upside down on the ice cream part, make
Speaker 2: it kind of bubbly, and there you go. That's a step.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's great. That's why where you get your beehive
Speaker 1: hairdoo is named after these things. And you know, things
Speaker 1: just advance from there, and we'll talk a little bit
Speaker 1: about that later, but I say we take a break now, okay,
Speaker 1: and then talk about what's in honey and what makes
Speaker 1: it so good for us?
Speaker 3: Sounds good, learn and stuff with Joshua job stuff.
Speaker 4: You shine up, okay.
Speaker 1: So the question of what is in honey is very
Speaker 1: easy to answer because it's almost all sugar. There is
Speaker 1: some water in there, although you know, like we mentioned,
Speaker 1: part of the process of getting to the honey state
Speaker 1: is to remove as much moisture as possible, but you
Speaker 1: still need some moisture. So it's you know, something that
Speaker 1: you can squirt out of a plastic bear.
Speaker 2: Sure it can later make a bong out of.
Speaker 1: I think most everyone that was in college when true
Speaker 1: romance came out probably tried that.
Speaker 2: And by the way, so long sixth grade classes that
Speaker 2: were just listening to this.
Speaker 1: Poor teacher who just ran to the front of the class.
Speaker 2: Nothing nothing, nothing.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. What's a bong?
Speaker 2: Was that?
Speaker 1: Ralph Wigham?
Speaker 4: It was?
Speaker 2: It was a pretty good point.
Speaker 1: So it's mostly sugar, and it's believe it or not,
Speaker 1: it's mostly simple sugar, fruittose and glucose. There are some
Speaker 1: complex sugars, but that's not to say just because honey
Speaker 1: is mainly just sugar and simple sugar that it's not complex,
Speaker 1: because it really is.
Speaker 2: It is super complex. It's again, the word miraculous just
Speaker 2: keeps bringing to mind. Yeah, and I'm definitely not one
Speaker 2: of those intelligent design people. I just think honey is
Speaker 2: something really special though, and so like, yes, it does
Speaker 2: have the simple sugars, it has very complex sugars. Let
Speaker 2: me throw out a couple of these names just to
Speaker 2: kind of blow your mind. You practice, all right, There's
Speaker 2: malto pentose. Okay, I didn't add the extra tea in
Speaker 2: there all I wanted to so bad. Galactose. That's an
Speaker 2: amazing name. There's also iso malto trios.
Speaker 1: Nice.
Speaker 2: These are not your average everyday sugar is like fruit
Speaker 2: toast and glucose, both of which are found in honey.
Speaker 2: But that's just the sugars. And again, the simple sugars
Speaker 2: combined with other enzymes in the bee's mouths to create
Speaker 2: these much more sophisticated sugar, some of which have like
Speaker 2: actual protective health properties we've found. But that's just the sugars.
Speaker 2: There's also amino acids, enzymes, polyphenols, flavonoids. And when you
Speaker 2: start looking at all of the different things that pop
Speaker 2: up in honey that's in honey, and you look at
Speaker 2: each one individually and you look them up, you will
Speaker 2: find that they do all sorts of amazing things. And
Speaker 2: when you put all of it together, you just can't
Speaker 2: help but step back and say, honey is miraculous.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and let's have a spoonful.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. That's the second thought that follows.
Speaker 1: It has, in fact, you mentioned amino acids. It has
Speaker 1: all nine all nine essential amino acids, which are the
Speaker 1: ones that we need that we don't make in our
Speaker 1: own body, so we have to eat them. It is,
Speaker 1: and we'll get to the healthy stuff in like twelve seconds.
Speaker 1: But need to mention that one of the other great
Speaker 1: things about honey is that it's I don't know about
Speaker 1: lasts forever. Maybe I know they've pulled honey out of
Speaker 1: like Egyptian tombs and reconstituted it to where it was fine,
Speaker 1: So maybe it does last forever. But it is acidic,
Speaker 1: it has antibacterial properties, so that means honey will last
Speaker 1: you a long long time. And if you find an old, hard,
Speaker 1: you know, lump of honey and a jar in your
Speaker 1: house that you forgot about, you can probably make that
Speaker 1: honey awesome again with very little effort.
Speaker 2: Yeah, supposedly, what you do is you just throw it
Speaker 2: in that jar, and you take that jar and you
Speaker 2: put it in like a bath of very hot tapwater.
Speaker 2: Do not heat it up on the stove, just put
Speaker 2: it in hot tapwater, and very slowly that chunk of
Speaker 2: honey will turn back into liquid gold aka honey.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot of mixed messaging around honey being
Speaker 1: toxic if it's heated beyond a certain point. Sure, because
Speaker 1: the you know, there's ancient wisdom that says it becomes toxic.
Speaker 1: Other people these days say no, it doesn't. So I
Speaker 1: was like, you know, I mean, surely there's a study
Speaker 1: about this, and I didn't really find one. I found
Speaker 1: one about lab rats and honey heated with Geeka, but
Speaker 1: that wasn't only honey.
Speaker 2: That sounds kind of good and don't.
Speaker 1: But I don't know if I just didn't have time
Speaker 1: to find the study, because it seems like a simple
Speaker 1: enough thing to research, Like you heat the honey, yeah,
Speaker 1: and feed it to a monkey and see if it dies.
Speaker 1: So I'm kidding, by the way, but the.
Speaker 2: Thing is Chuck as you raised something that came up
Speaker 2: for me later on that I'll just put here, like
Speaker 2: the stuff we do to animals is unconscionable. One hundred
Speaker 2: years from now, our cohort is going to be looked
Speaker 2: at as just so barbaric. And one of the things
Speaker 2: that kind of raised my hackles was, as we'll see
Speaker 2: later on, one of the things they think honey can
Speaker 2: help with is neurological disorders or mental imbalances, and they
Speaker 2: test that stuff on rats and one of the things
Speaker 2: they found was that in rats it recovers hopeless behavior. Sorry,
Speaker 2: in mice that have undergone restraint stress for twenty one
Speaker 2: days now, it was like, restraint stress doesn't sound very good.
Speaker 2: What is that They put the mouse in a tube
Speaker 2: where it can't move any of its limbs or body
Speaker 2: or anything. And they kept it there for twenty one days.
Speaker 2: And you think being put in a tube as a
Speaker 2: human being for twenty one days where you couldn't move,
Speaker 2: like I can barely breathe just saying that out loud, right,
Speaker 2: that's twenty one human days. Imagine what twenty one days
Speaker 2: is in the length of a mouse's life. And then,
Speaker 2: by the way, after they studied the mouse, after taking
Speaker 2: out of the tube, they probably killed it shortly after that,
Speaker 2: so that mouse's entire life was spent under restraint stress
Speaker 2: in a tube. And this is just one of the
Speaker 2: myriad things that we do to animals. And the more
Speaker 2: I just kind of come across the stuff casually mentioned
Speaker 2: in this really dry clinical tone in peer reviewed papers,
Speaker 2: the more I'm just like this is, I don't know
Speaker 2: that we can justify this. And yes, we've come up
Speaker 2: with so many amazing things to help humanity along, but
Speaker 2: I really think we should be we should be allocating
Speaker 2: a significant amount of our research efforts to figuring out
Speaker 2: how to not use animals to come up with those
Speaker 2: same amazing breakthroughs, because it's just wrong, it's cruel and wrong,
Speaker 2: and there's there's really basically no justification for it in
Speaker 2: the greater scheme of things. And that's my soapbox.
Speaker 1: I think that's your first soapbox moment of twenty twenty three.
Speaker 2: Oh, it definitely is, now that you mentioned it.
Speaker 1: Sure, all right, that means we're going to toast some
Speaker 1: tomorrow clink. This set is good for your body as well.
Speaker 2: Huh, what's your tomorrow that you look.
Speaker 1: Congradulate and you know I got a few of them.
Speaker 1: That's going to be a future like very near future
Speaker 1: topic by the way. Oh okay, cool, gotten very into tomorrow.
Speaker 2: Mine is Montenegro. Montenegro is is so good and it's
Speaker 2: really good to mix cocktails with two.
Speaker 1: It sure is a little bourbon and some tomorrow you're
Speaker 1: some rye and tomorrow.
Speaker 2: A little bit of that. It'll fix delicious. It'll fix
Speaker 2: a mouse that's been in restraint stress for twenty and
Speaker 2: one day's right.
Speaker 1: Up, some orange bitters, a little shake of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's good stuff even just also choked, by the way,
Speaker 2: just a little bit of amorrow Montenegro, like I think
Speaker 2: an ounce of that and some good seltzer is really
Speaker 2: good on your own too.
Speaker 1: That's a digest Steve in a half.
Speaker 2: It definitely is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's great. Uh. You know what recently I went
Speaker 1: to La just for the day to see our friend
Speaker 1: Ben Harrison. Yeah, and our our friend and booking agent
Speaker 1: Josh Lingren and my friend Adam Pranica. You'd love Adam.
Speaker 1: You just haven't hung out with them much. But we
Speaker 1: went to Musso and Frank and I'll just say this,
Speaker 1: and I haven't been drinking much lately, but we had
Speaker 1: a day and we're way too drunk to be and
Speaker 1: Musso and Frank.
Speaker 2: I could tell from your Instagram posts from it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like she just looks really this great big
Speaker 1: meal and drinks and all this stuff at one of
Speaker 1: the oldest restaurants in Hollywood. And at the very end,
Speaker 1: Ben Harrison just shouts out, is that it. We're like, yes,
Speaker 1: nothing else, and Ben went four tomorrows. Oh yeah, so
Speaker 1: that's how we ended our meal. Wow, they're just stop
Speaker 1: with a hangover. So let's not blow all of our
Speaker 1: knowledge on tomorrow right here. Well put chuck jerk all right.
Speaker 1: So health qualities of Honey is where we left off
Speaker 1: ten minutes ago. There are lots of health benefits and
Speaker 1: there are lots of studies that back this up, which
Speaker 1: is great. There are medicinal uses that have been academically
Speaker 1: studied and verified. So this isn't like you know, witchy
Speaker 1: hokum or woo woo stuff like that. Honey is really
Speaker 1: really good for you. And we've known this for a
Speaker 1: long time. And one of the things that honey is
Speaker 1: great for is if you you have allergies. If they
Speaker 1: did studies where they looked over the course of a
Speaker 1: couple of months during allergy season, and it had significant
Speaker 1: reductions in what's called rhinitis rhinitis, which is you know,
Speaker 1: stuff you knows, sneezing, allergic sort of qualities fear of.
Speaker 1: And this was like quite a bit of honey. I
Speaker 1: think it was one gram of honey per kilogram of
Speaker 1: body weight.
Speaker 2: It's a lot of honey.
Speaker 1: It's a lot of honey. But it works, and you know,
Speaker 1: it's better than some dumb allergy medication.
Speaker 2: So you remember our immunotherapy episode from very early on,
Speaker 2: we talked a lot about eating honey to get over allergies,
Speaker 2: and it totally makes sense because you're exposing yourself to
Speaker 2: the local pollen. That's why people who say this actually
Speaker 2: works to get yourself over allergies. Say, it won't work
Speaker 2: unless you are eating local honey, meaning like within twenty
Speaker 2: or I think thirty miles of where you live, because
Speaker 2: you're exposing yourself a little by little to that pollen
Speaker 2: and your body's like, oh, this is this Stuff's not
Speaker 2: that bad. We won't give you any more allergies.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And there's a lot of reasons to eat local
Speaker 1: honey and eat locally period, not the least of which
Speaker 1: is that's just how it was for gazillion years. You
Speaker 1: ate what was near you because you couldn't get anywhere else,
Speaker 1: and that's just sort of the better way to eat.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I've really gotten into green grapes lately. They're just
Speaker 2: so good and they're so good for you. Just always
Speaker 2: have like a bowl of them out And we just
Speaker 2: left grape season and the stuff that's out now is
Speaker 2: just it's so bad. It's just like you put in
Speaker 2: your mouth and there's no like pop to it. It
Speaker 2: just MUSHes. And this is not any good. Yeah, it
Speaker 2: is like an eyeball. It's really, it's like a rotten
Speaker 2: eyeball basically. So I'm off a grape, so I'm trying
Speaker 2: to find a Grape replacement until they come back in season.
Speaker 1: Grape Replacement is not a bad band name. Actually it
Speaker 1: is a bad band name, but I could see someone
Speaker 1: naming their band NAT.
Speaker 2: That seems like a side project band name.
Speaker 1: Right. What about an inflammation that's you know, inflammation, we've
Speaker 1: talked a lot about that's it's not the root cause
Speaker 1: of every problem humans have, but inflammation is one of
Speaker 1: the leading causes of a lot of problems that humans have.
Speaker 2: Definitely, I think we need to do an episode on that, Yeah, totally,
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean it's behind cardiovascular issues. Your blood
Speaker 2: pressure might be high, you might have gut problems, arthritis,
Speaker 2: some types of cancer, and it's your body basically mounting
Speaker 2: this immune response that is overblown and so you're suffering
Speaker 2: as a result, and it has all these terrible effects. Well,
Speaker 2: the flavonoids that I mentioned are there's a ton of flavonoids.
Speaker 2: I think like thirty different flabinoids found and basically all
Speaker 2: types of honey, just to varying degrees depending on what
Speaker 2: flowers it came from. And they are antioxidants. We've talked
Speaker 2: about antioxidants and whether or not they actually work or not.
Speaker 2: The jury's still kind of out, but there are some
Speaker 2: things that flavonoids do that are like, this is just
Speaker 2: demonstrably effective. One of the things they do is go
Speaker 2: to the genes that produce inflammatory proteins and say, nope,
Speaker 2: not today, you just rest easy, stop making those things.
Speaker 2: So the block expression of inflammatory proteins. That's just one
Speaker 2: of the things that you can find in honey.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a pretty big one if you ask me. Sure,
Speaker 1: if you want kind of one of the king daddies
Speaker 1: of healthful honeys. You've probably heard of Manuka honey. It
Speaker 1: seems to have I don't know about exploded, but it
Speaker 1: seems to have really garnered a lot more popularity and popularity,
Speaker 1: garnered popularity whatever, you know what I'm saying, Sure in
Speaker 1: more recent years, partially because of marketing and pr but
Speaker 1: partially because Minuka honey is really good for you. This
Speaker 1: is a monofloral honey, which means, as we'll talk about
Speaker 1: a bit more later, that it comes from a single
Speaker 1: flower as much as possible from New Zealand, and it's
Speaker 1: got a pretty short period in which this flower flowers,
Speaker 1: and that makes it a more rare honey. That makes
Speaker 1: it more expensive, of course, but manuka honey kind of
Speaker 1: does all the things that honey does times, you know,
Speaker 1: with a plus afterward.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Supposedly, the active ingredient for manuka honey's antimicrobial properties
Speaker 2: is methyl glyoxal. It's a word as ugly as it
Speaker 2: sounds spelled out, but it has about one hundred times
Speaker 2: the amount that other types of honey have. And that's
Speaker 2: one of the reasons why everybody's so bully on manuka honey.
Speaker 2: I think the other reason is because it is very rare.
Speaker 2: The manuka shrub grows in fairly remote, isolated regions of
Speaker 2: New Zealand, so it's hard to get, and that means
Speaker 2: it's very expensive, so you can sell it for a
Speaker 2: lot of money. So anything you can say is Manuka honey.
Speaker 2: You can kind of hype, but there does seem to
Speaker 2: be some actual reality behind the hype.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like there there are people who do this and
Speaker 1: who just like take a spoonful of manuka honey every
Speaker 1: day as if they're taking their vitamins in the morning
Speaker 1: or something like that.
Speaker 2: For sure. And there's another one that's kind of come
Speaker 2: up recently that has been rivaling minukas a tulang honey.
Speaker 2: It grows in Malaysia. The thing is Manuka honey is
Speaker 2: a monofloral honey. As we'll see, it's just made from
Speaker 2: the manuka, the flowers of the manuka shrub. Tulang is
Speaker 2: called jungle honey, like it's just made from whatever's flowering
Speaker 2: in Malaysia. But supposedly the flowers that are growing in
Speaker 2: the jungles of Malaysia have a lot of amazing properties too.
Speaker 2: Because people are saying this tulang it's the hot new product,
Speaker 2: and so long Manuka, you're so over and done with.
Speaker 1: Yeah, jungle honey's a good song title, yeah for sure.
Speaker 1: Or maybe I'm just thinking jungle boogie.
Speaker 2: No, jungle honey sounds good. You put honey with any
Speaker 2: other word and it's gonna make it more appealing. I
Speaker 2: think for.
Speaker 1: Sure, I love the word jungle. It's one of my favorites.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you said earlier you were starting your honey file.
Speaker 2: I was like, you should call all files your honey file.
Speaker 1: Maybe I will. Honey is also good topically. You can
Speaker 1: put honey, especially something like manuka honey, on a skin,
Speaker 1: knee or something like that cuts any kind of stubborn
Speaker 1: wounds it's going to help out with They've done meta
Speaker 1: studies on putting honey on topically and a lot of
Speaker 1: these were it seems like from studies on diabetic foot wounds,
Speaker 1: this is what ED found. But you know, it healed faster,
Speaker 1: there was less inflammation. Apparently it can reduce nasty odors,
Speaker 1: and even in diabetic foot wounds, helped reduce the need
Speaker 1: for amputation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, apparently that's with just about any honey you could
Speaker 2: use for wound healing, not just manuka. Yeah, I saw
Speaker 2: a paper that said, actually you might not want to
Speaker 2: use manuka because that methyl glyoxal is something that might
Speaker 2: actually prevent a diabetic foot ulcer from healing because really
Speaker 2: so potent, it might actually like kill off like the
Speaker 2: new cells that are trying to form. Other honey has
Speaker 2: been shown is honey in general that it actually does
Speaker 2: help heal diabetic foot ulcers, in really any kind of wound.
Speaker 2: But the reason they say diabetic ulcers is because they
Speaker 2: have so much trouble healing because there's so little circulation
Speaker 2: being led to that wound site that it just basically
Speaker 2: just persists that if you slather some honey on there,
Speaker 2: you can say Goodbye, stubborn wound. Goodbye.
Speaker 1: We already talked about blood pressure some but we should
Speaker 1: note that some of the studies have found that it
Speaker 1: reduces hypertension in women and not men. And this not
Speaker 1: to say that it can't in men, but it's in
Speaker 1: you know, Ed points this out very astutely, that honey
Speaker 1: is just there's a lot of studies and meta studies
Speaker 1: and things, but you know, it's something that bees make
Speaker 1: in nature and that humans collect, so they aren't always
Speaker 1: the most consistent results when it comes to studies, and
Speaker 1: there's so many varieties and so many kinds of bees
Speaker 1: and where they live and then the flowers that they're
Speaker 1: pollinating and getting that nectar from that it's just because
Speaker 1: a study says something, it doesn't mean like that's the end,
Speaker 1: full stop.
Speaker 2: Yeah, one way or the other, Like didn't find this
Speaker 2: property actually helpful or did Yeah, there just needs to
Speaker 2: be more studying that. Yes, they need to refine the
Speaker 2: study of honey, which I think we're in the in
Speaker 2: the midst of, like right now in this podcast, we're
Speaker 2: helping move it along. I think what about cancer. Cancer
Speaker 2: is another one. They think that basically there's there's properties
Speaker 2: in Honey, that create apoptosis, which is programmed cell death,
Speaker 2: and that they help target cancer tumors to to go
Speaker 2: ahead and die, just die, die, die tumor. And that's
Speaker 2: basically how chemotherapy works in a lot of ways. So, yes,
Speaker 2: it does seem to have some sort of effect on cancer.
Speaker 2: I saw that not only has it been shown to
Speaker 2: work in the lab, like in cell lines of cancer cells,
Speaker 2: but that it's it's had some clinical results as well.
Speaker 2: But apparently when they go after cancer cells, there's something
Speaker 2: that's called blebbing. And blebbing is where a cell gets
Speaker 2: pulled away, like it's membrane gets pulled away from the
Speaker 2: cytoskeleton and there's like a bulge and at that point
Speaker 2: you have what's called blebbing, and that cell is in
Speaker 2: very big trouble. So honey goes after cancer cells and
Speaker 2: makes them bleb.
Speaker 1: Well, you know how I knew it would be something
Speaker 1: that makes you in trouble. What is that? It's called blebbing?
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: That can't be good.
Speaker 2: No, oh my god, I'm blebbing. That's not a good sign.
Speaker 1: No would ever say, oh that's fantastic, good for you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: bleb right, you mentioned neurological problems earlier a little bit.
Speaker 1: Obviously this can be a whole host of things, but
Speaker 1: they have found and this is another you know, area
Speaker 1: that there needs to be a lot more testing. But
Speaker 1: the clinical trials have shown some pretty good results in
Speaker 1: things like you know, depression, dementia, in any kind of
Speaker 1: age related like mental neurological deterioration basically, but even things
Speaker 1: like convulsions. They did there was one study in some
Speaker 1: some senior adults that where they had a placebo control
Speaker 1: group which had about four hundred percent greater incidents of
Speaker 1: dementia than the group that took a daily tablespoon of honey.
Speaker 2: That is astounding, that's huge. Yeah, Yeah, that's the kind
Speaker 2: of study where it's like, no, that's the end. Nobody
Speaker 2: else needs to do any more research. Does everybody eat
Speaker 2: a tablespoon of honey? And that's actually that raises a
Speaker 2: good question that a lot of people have. It's like,
Speaker 2: wait a minute, honey is a sweetener. Yes, it's natural,
Speaker 2: but it's got tons of sugar in it. So is
Speaker 2: it really okay to eat a tablespoonful honey a day?
Speaker 2: And the answer is in the West, especially you should yes,
Speaker 2: go ahead and eat a tablespoon of honey a day,
Speaker 2: but make sure that what you're doing is exchanging the
Speaker 2: added sugars that you're eating in your diet normally for
Speaker 2: that tablespoon. Don't just add it to your normal diet.
Speaker 2: Figure out where you can cut down some sugar and
Speaker 2: use honey instead. And yes, you will probably be much
Speaker 2: better off in the long run because sugar is really
Speaker 2: not good for us at all.
Speaker 1: That's great. I think we take our second break here,
Speaker 1: we come back and we talk about honeycombs, grades of honey.
Speaker 1: We still got a lot to go over, so let's
Speaker 1: get to it.
Speaker 3: And stuff with Joshua. Stuff you shine up?
Speaker 2: Okay, check this suddenly turned into a short stuff go.
Speaker 1: Well. I mean we can talk about the honeycomb briefly again.
Speaker 1: That's in our beekeeping episode, in our bee episode and
Speaker 1: with a lot of detail, but basically, you know this,
Speaker 1: the honeycomb is like that hexagonal cell structure that you
Speaker 1: see inside the hive, made of the wax that the
Speaker 1: bees produce, and they you know, they make cells for
Speaker 1: storing honey or for housing that queen and the brood.
Speaker 1: But the important thing as far as the honeycomb goes
Speaker 1: is that humans came along as far as beekeeping is concerned,
Speaker 1: and said, you know, let me build the framing your
Speaker 1: house for you and you can come in and add
Speaker 1: the detail. So we started making these you know, what
Speaker 1: would you call it?
Speaker 2: Like a form a substrate.
Speaker 1: Look at you, which gives the bees a little bit
Speaker 1: of a head start, and then you know the honey
Speaker 1: is in there. They extract that honey in a centrifuge.
Speaker 1: It leaves that honeycomb intact. Although you can get that
Speaker 1: natural honey if you've seen it in the store with
Speaker 1: that or maybe at a farmer's market, local farmer's market
Speaker 1: with a honeycomb floating in that honey, you can you
Speaker 1: can eat that stuff. It's wax is not going to
Speaker 1: hurt you. Yeah, and it probably makes you feel like
Speaker 1: Martha Stewart or something.
Speaker 2: It makes my teeth feel gritty. So I don't like it,
Speaker 2: but I do know that it is edible for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: One of the things I saw chuck though, I was like, well,
Speaker 2: wait a minute, if bee keepers are like making basically
Speaker 2: fully formed honeycombs for the bees to use, this is
Speaker 2: going to produce some soft, lazy bees. But it turns out.
Speaker 2: There's actually really good reason to do this, and that
Speaker 2: is that with bees produce their own wax, they have
Speaker 2: to eat honey to produce the wax, and they they
Speaker 2: consume six pounds of honey to make one pound of wax.
Speaker 2: So by giving them the wax to begin with, you're
Speaker 2: saving all of that extra honey. They're just gonna keep
Speaker 2: making that honey and you're gonna get more for it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, maybe that's one of the reasons we
Speaker 1: have that surplus.
Speaker 2: Probably, I would think. So. Yeah, if you're if you're
Speaker 2: keeping bees and you're not giving them pre formed be
Speaker 2: wax bees wax cells, you're a chump.
Speaker 1: There are lots of different ways to rate or grade honey.
Speaker 1: We're gonna go over a lot of those now, one
Speaker 1: of which is how much it's processed. We talked about
Speaker 1: right out of the hive. It's gonna have some some
Speaker 1: bead legs and pieces of wing, and some yeast in there,
Speaker 1: some bacteria, some pollen, maybe some dust, some honey crystals.
Speaker 1: You know, you generally want to I'm sure they're purists
Speaker 1: that just love that stuff, but if you're selling an
Speaker 1: the story, you probably want to remove some of that
Speaker 1: or a lot of that to make it a food product.
Speaker 1: The other reason why is because if there's something floating
Speaker 1: in your honey, that just gives the honey a solid
Speaker 1: thing in there to crystallize around. And generally the honey
Speaker 1: buying public sees crystallization is like that, I don't want
Speaker 1: to buy that honey.
Speaker 2: I saw that. That was mostly Americans that have an
Speaker 2: aversion to crystallized honey. That doesn't spread me, And it's
Speaker 2: because we think that it's gone bad somehow. And again, yeah,
Speaker 2: all it is is like, yeah, there's been some crystallization
Speaker 2: of the sugars and all you have to do is
Speaker 2: put in a nice tapwater bath and it'll go back.
Speaker 2: But yes, you can just totally eat crystallized honey. There's
Speaker 2: no problem with it whatsoever. But because they know their consumers,
Speaker 2: honey producers are like, we got to get the solids
Speaker 2: out of it, right, So basically any honey you buy
Speaker 2: in the United States is going to have at least
Speaker 2: undergone macro filtering with the un called straining, and what
Speaker 2: that produces is raw honey. It's just they're getting out
Speaker 2: the biggest of the big solids. But then that's it.
Speaker 2: There's no more filtration whatsoever, and it's raw honey, which
Speaker 2: is a bit of a misnomer because every honey type
Speaker 2: that isn't pasteurized, and pasteurized honey is just one small subset.
Speaker 2: Every other type of honey is technically raw honey. It's
Speaker 2: not been heated, there's nothing that's been killed off in it.
Speaker 2: It's all still raw. But I think what they're basically
Speaker 2: using the word raw for is like rustic honey.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, I agree. You mentioned pastorization, we might as
Speaker 1: well talk about that. I looked it up. I was like,
Speaker 1: why would you pasteurize honey, because you typically think of
Speaker 1: pasturization for more of like a dairy product. It's basically
Speaker 1: just there is no reason to do it that I found,
Speaker 1: other than making it look and like pour out of
Speaker 1: the bottle or jar or whatever more freely. It's smoother.
Speaker 1: Apparently it's going to alter the flavor, obviously, because you're
Speaker 1: heating this honey up. Yeah, but that's that's the only
Speaker 1: thing I found why you would pasteurize honey.
Speaker 2: I saw that, you know, honey has all these anti microbial,
Speaker 2: anti viral properties. That doesn't mean there's no such thing
Speaker 2: as bacteria in honey. Or there's no such thing as mold.
Speaker 2: Spores in honey, and mold in particular can cause honey
Speaker 2: to ferment slightly. Again, nothing wrong with that, It's totally fine.
Speaker 2: You basically just have a free little mini shot of
Speaker 2: mead right there in your honey. But people don't like
Speaker 2: that kind of thing, so I think pasturizing it kills
Speaker 2: off any of those potential microbes or yeast or mold
Speaker 2: or anything.
Speaker 1: I'm at a hippie once and I think West Virginia
Speaker 1: that made his own meat. I think I might have
Speaker 1: told the story before, but he gave me some meat.
Speaker 2: Yeah, somebody mailed us meat years and years and years ago.
Speaker 2: Is the only meat I've ever had in my life.
Speaker 1: I'm not a fan.
Speaker 2: It was it was fine. Yeah, It's not something I
Speaker 2: could drink regularly or any like that. But yeah, if
Speaker 2: I were in West Virginia wearing nothing but a pair
Speaker 2: of overalls, I can probably drink a little meat.
Speaker 1: This is a nice guy, despite the fact that he
Speaker 1: was a fishman. I'm getting killed for knocking fish, by
Speaker 1: the way.
Speaker 2: Just keep it up though, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: Well, you know what's funny is all the people that
Speaker 1: have written in are trying to talk me into liking fish.
Speaker 2: Right, They're like, surely you clearly haven't listened to fish
Speaker 2: and you don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 1: It they do it. It's all almost verbatim. It's funny.
Speaker 1: It's almost like the talking points they shared. But I
Speaker 1: know fish fans wouldn't share talking points. It's not the
Speaker 1: fish way. Way back to the filtering, we're jumping back
Speaker 1: to the other the USDA designation, which is filtered honey,
Speaker 1: and that is basically just more filtering. The filters are
Speaker 1: finer and it's gonna remove almost all those solids that
Speaker 1: you're gonna see. And it probably does require some heating
Speaker 1: because to get through those filters, you gotta have it
Speaker 1: a little more viscous or less viscous.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a little bit. But if you're ultrafiltering, not only
Speaker 2: do you have to warm it up, you combine it
Speaker 2: with a lot of water. Yeah, because you're pushing it
Speaker 2: through not quite reverse osmosis membranes, but something not too
Speaker 2: far off where it is getting everything out of the honey.
Speaker 2: So much so the USCA says, this isn't honey. You
Speaker 2: can't call it honey honey.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So there's another way to basically achieve the same
Speaker 2: end without blasting it through a ultra filtered membrane, and
Speaker 2: that's using diatomaceous earth. And diatoms are fossilized microalgae with
Speaker 2: silica shells and this is the shells left over, and
Speaker 2: they are super tiny, but they pick up even tinier particles.
Speaker 2: They are attracted to them. They get stuck in the shells,
Speaker 2: and then you filter out the diatoms, and then you've
Speaker 2: also filtered out the stuff even further, so you don't
Speaker 2: have to use quite as fine a filter because the
Speaker 2: diatoms have sucked up all the stuff that would have
Speaker 2: passed through that filter that's catching the diet toms. Does
Speaker 2: that make.
Speaker 1: Sense, Yeah, and it's pretty amazing. You might remember diatamacious
Speaker 1: earth from our cockroach episode because that's the stuff that
Speaker 1: you can spread around that they eat that kills them
Speaker 1: from the inside out.
Speaker 2: It also drives fleas out too. If you have a
Speaker 2: flea problem, you can spread dietamacious earth on your carpet
Speaker 2: in it will help.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've been through that. We talked about spun honey
Speaker 1: already and just want to reiterate that spun honey or
Speaker 1: cream honey or whipped honey. It's all the same thing,
Speaker 1: and it still doesn't lose any of those helpful properties.
Speaker 1: You can also rate honey by a color, of course,
Speaker 1: you know, honey has a great range of color, and
Speaker 1: they you know, technically it's called optical density, but what
Speaker 1: they use the fund color scale.
Speaker 2: I think it's fund no really like fister, the fabulous
Speaker 2: faucet with a funny name.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I always say puffister just because I think
Speaker 1: it's funny.
Speaker 2: Okay, well, then yes, this would definitely be fun.
Speaker 1: And this is a scale from zero, which is water
Speaker 1: white all the way to one fourteen and above, which
Speaker 1: is dark amber, very nice. And then what's the deal
Speaker 1: with organic honey?
Speaker 2: So organic honey is a different type of classification. Any
Speaker 2: of the stuff we've talked about, ultrafiltered, pasteurized, raw, microfiltered, creamed,
Speaker 2: all of that stuff could also be organic honey basically
Speaker 2: as long as the organic techniques that the USDA requires
Speaker 2: we're used to create the honey, and also on the
Speaker 2: plants that the bees are harvesting nectar from.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 2: So that's it. So from what I can tell based
Speaker 2: on all this information, grade A raw organic honey is
Speaker 2: probably top of the pops for anybody.
Speaker 1: Top of the pops. And then when it comes to flavors,
Speaker 1: this is where we get into sort of the last piece.
Speaker 1: We mention monofloral. The other end of the spectrum would
Speaker 1: be multifloral, and that is just simply what these bees
Speaker 1: are flowering on or what they're what kind of flowers
Speaker 1: they're dancing with. Sure, if they're dancing with one flower,
Speaker 1: and you know, ed points out bees or bees, so
Speaker 1: it may be hard to make sure that's the only thing,
Speaker 1: but us they are. If it's labeled monoploral honey, that
Speaker 1: probably means that they have this. A farm has planted
Speaker 1: a very very large area of one thing, so it's
Speaker 1: really likely that the bee is eating almost all of that.
Speaker 1: Or you can like the wildflowre honey, it's just multiflorals, like, hey,
Speaker 1: whatever's in the area, have at it. There can be
Speaker 1: different flavors, but it's not exactly like there are notes
Speaker 1: of things. It's not like if you eat orange blossom honey,
Speaker 1: it tastes like you square to orange in it, but
Speaker 1: there will be like notes of citrus and things like that.
Speaker 2: I actually saw on a site of different types of
Speaker 2: honey that they warn you that if your orange blossom
Speaker 2: honey smells like orange fragrance, then you've got some sort
Speaker 2: of fake honey, that it's being counterfeit in some way.
Speaker 2: It's not like that, like you said, it's notes, but
Speaker 2: Warren's blossom honey is citrusy notes. Pumpkin blossom honey has
Speaker 2: pumpkinny notes. I think sour wood is herbal and woodsy
Speaker 2: or no, that's oh, what is that, Chuck Linden. Linden
Speaker 2: honey herbal and woodsy. Eucalyptus honey has like a slight
Speaker 2: menthol note to it. Buckwheat honey. I don't think I've
Speaker 2: ever had it, but it's almost like black in color.
Speaker 2: It's definitely the dark amber side of the fun scale.
Speaker 2: But it also has like kind of like a slight
Speaker 2: bitter note to it too. I want to try it.
Speaker 2: It sounds almost like tortuous, but I would still try.
Speaker 2: I'll try basically any honey at least once.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And they're all kinds of great honey, sort of
Speaker 1: like flavored honeys, and the honey is still in it,
Speaker 1: so it's still great for you and delicious, but like
Speaker 1: bourbon honeys and like sort of spicy chili pepper honey
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, all sorts of delicious things out there.
Speaker 1: One of our favorite things to do is go to
Speaker 1: the our local farm co op and get that local honey,
Speaker 1: and you know, costs a little bit more. But like
Speaker 1: they're doing the right thing and not like Will Ferrell
Speaker 1: and Lebron James. Did you see that?
Speaker 2: Did they get into honey?
Speaker 1: They are. Actually it's a pretty cool thing. They partnered
Speaker 1: along with some other celebrities with a company called Flamingo Estate,
Speaker 1: which is listed here as an urban farm and lifestyle brand. Okay, selles,
Speaker 1: you know, all kinds of stuff, urban straw hats, but
Speaker 1: they serve curated farm boxes. But what they've done is,
Speaker 1: I think they've gone to some of these celebrities who
Speaker 1: have large properties and said, hey, how'd you like your
Speaker 1: own honey we can make we can keep bees on
Speaker 1: your property and it will be called Will Ferrell honey
Speaker 1: and it'll cost two hundred and fifty dollars a jar. No,
Speaker 1: but it goes to charity.
Speaker 2: Okay, they've pulled it out at the end there. You
Speaker 2: know where they should go is the Magnum's estate. He
Speaker 2: has big avocado farms and apparently, yeah, and apparently avocado
Speaker 2: honey is a thing too.
Speaker 1: Okay, interesting, Before we.
Speaker 2: End this, chuck, if you'll indulge me, I just wanted
Speaker 2: to rattle off the properties that have been found among
Speaker 2: some of the compounds that you find in honey. If
Speaker 2: you're indulge me, you're ready that these compounds found in
Speaker 2: honey are shown to possess these properties antibacterial, anti viral, antifungal, antioxidant,
Speaker 2: anti inflammatory, anti neoplastic, antimicrobial, anti carcinogen, anti arrhythmic, anti leash, menial, antithrombotic,
Speaker 2: anti mutinogenic, mutagenic, anti nosusceptive, anti mycobacterial, anti proliferative, and
Speaker 2: immune boosting properties, not to mention that it's hypocholesteroemic, cardioprotective,
Speaker 2: anti hypertensive, hepatoprotective, hypoglycemic, and neuroprotective, nephro protective, gastro protective,
Speaker 2: so on, so forth, And it can improve sperm count
Speaker 2: and their motility and protects against vaginal and uterine atrophy.
Speaker 2: Plus it improves the normal estros cycle.
Speaker 1: Wow, isn't that amazing? That's did you say antichrist in there?
Speaker 2: I think so it's miraculous, but in like the reverse manner,
Speaker 2: uh huh, you got anything else?
Speaker 1: I have nothing else.
Speaker 2: I don't either, and that means, of course, everybody, it's
Speaker 2: time for listener mail.
Speaker 1: I'm going to make this one very short because I
Speaker 1: just wanted to shout out that we got a I
Speaker 1: got an email from well, we got one from our
Speaker 1: old buddy, Aaron Mazelle, who helps pet up the stuff
Speaker 1: you should know. Five K.
Speaker 2: I'm glad you thought of this.
Speaker 1: But Aaron, I think, was trying to locate this English
Speaker 1: professor that taught my Shakespeare class. I don't think she
Speaker 1: landed on it, but someone else did and said, was
Speaker 1: it doctor Vance? And I was like, oh, it totally was.
Speaker 1: As soon as I heard the name, I remembered, and
Speaker 1: I believe Aaron though or now I feel bad because
Speaker 1: I can't remember if it was Aaron or the other
Speaker 1: person who wrote in was still in touch with doctor Vance,
Speaker 1: got in touch with him and said, hey, Chuck took
Speaker 1: your classes. You may have even taken some classes from vants.
Speaker 4: Who knows?
Speaker 1: Do you remember me?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: I didn't, Okay, Oh I guess so I was an
Speaker 1: English major, so I was always over there. But doctor
Speaker 1: Vance send in an email which I haven't responded to,
Speaker 1: but I'm going to do that today. It said, Chuck,
Speaker 1: can't tell you how honored I was by your remarks
Speaker 1: on the podcast. I thank you so very much. All
Speaker 1: was well here, loving retirement, traveling grandchildren. And here's my
Speaker 1: website in case you want to see what I've been publishing.
Speaker 1: And I think everyone should go check it out. It's
Speaker 1: a mystery thriller's literary horror, humorous romance, historical fiction. Wow,
Speaker 1: all kinds of fun stuff and you can find all
Speaker 1: this at author John Vance dot com.
Speaker 2: Very nice. That was short, and Chuck appropriately sweet for
Speaker 2: this episode.
Speaker 4: Good stuff.
Speaker 2: That was nice. Man, got a pat on your head
Speaker 2: from your old English teacher.
Speaker 1: He was the best. Man had a you know, one
Speaker 1: of the few college professors who really impacted me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like Robin Williams.
Speaker 1: Yeah, don't get that joke.
Speaker 2: You don't no from oh dead Boats? Yes, Okay, thank
Speaker 2: you for saying that, because I was about to say,
Speaker 2: from oh Captain, my captain.
Speaker 1: That's a working title.
Speaker 2: So if you want to be like doctor Vance and
Speaker 2: let us know how retirement's going for you, you can
Speaker 2: wrap it up in an email, spank it on the bottom,
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